Forum logs for 21 Feb 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
asciilifeform: meanwhile, front page of today's beobachter was 'trump mentioned terrorism in sweden, swedes have no idea what he was on about' -- while cars burn in stockholm [00:01]
BingoBoingo: Malmo, more like Ma-lol-mo [00:03]
BingoBoingo: hanbot: ty for Henry the SADFAG [00:10]
BingoBoingo: !!up veen [00:10]
deedbot: veen voiced for 30 minutes. [00:10]
veen: greetings republicans [00:11]
veen: long-time listener, first-time caller [00:11]
BingoBoingo: Welcome, keep coming back. It works when you work it. [00:14]
BingoBoingo: Who is your daddy and what does he do? [00:14]
veen: i suppose today ben_vulpes is my honorary daddy, his doings are well-known in these parts [00:18]
BingoBoingo: Congrats ben_vulpes you've got another mouth to feed [00:21]
veen: i've been enjoying this little stitch-n-bitch from afar, thought i might indulge in the pick-a-little talk-a-little [00:21]
BingoBoingo: !!key veen [00:24]
deedbot: [00:24]
BingoBoingo: brb [00:30]
veen: the cathedral commenting on milo's downright-clintonian, hair-splitting defense of his pederasty practice: [00:37]
veen: << "'Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody 13 years old who is sexually mature. Pedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty,' [Yiannopoulos] adds, dismissing the fact that 13-year-olds are children.” [00:37]
veen: > the fact [00:37]
mircea_popescu: well, historically pedophilia is a sort of homosexuality. it got a little coopted to mean "children", it really is little boys. [00:45]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. just like "brits" have no idea what rotterham is all about. [00:48]
mircea_popescu: libertards' pipedream chiefly consists of this deranged notion that i must seek and obtain his permission to know things. it wasn't on wikipedia therefore it mayn't exist. [00:50]
mircea_popescu: !!key veen [00:51]
deedbot: [00:51]
mircea_popescu: !!rate veen 1 maybe not retarded. [00:51]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [00:51]
veen: mircea_popescu: indeed, and milo understands this. the nyt's obstinate refusal to entertain the distinction is so very quaint [00:58]
mircea_popescu: which milo is this ? [00:58]
veen: milo, son of mr t., regent of brietbart, premier of getting deleted from twitter, &c, &c [01:01]
mircea_popescu: ? [01:01]
a111: Logged on 2015-07-15 01:53 danielpbarron: mats> NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price << reminds me of Milo from Catch-22 [01:01]
mircea_popescu: oh the twitter famous dude. [01:05]
veen: aye [01:10]
mircea_popescu: oh btw ben_vulpes BingoBoingo watched (bout half hour of) cringe. it's basically except the junkie is "male" rather than "female". [01:13]
mircea_popescu: entirely beyond me why there'd be two of these seeing how there's no need for one. [01:14]
ben_vulpes: ohai veen [02:30]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what is this cringe? [02:31]
mircea_popescu: crank [09:10]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dja know the guy ? [09:17]
trinque: for all this crowing about "this is who I am", these milo types almost always got diddled as a kid by somebody. [09:57]
trinque: surely these things are unrelated. [09:57]
mircea_popescu: well... for all the crowing about "this is who i am", these heterosexual females almopst always got diddled as a kid by somebody also. [09:58]
mircea_popescu: kinda how womanhood becomes, neh ? [09:58]
mircea_popescu: "oh my god, AND HE HAS A CAR" [09:58]
trinque: sure, but I'm not asking the guy who lost the race what he thinks acceptable males look like [10:00]
mircea_popescu: i thought he's discussing what he thinks acceptable female-impersonating malkes look like [10:03]
mircea_popescu: then again i'm entirely unfamiliar with the no doubt extensive (in 140 byte increments) body of work in question. [10:03]
trinque: not missing anything [10:03]
trinque: !!rate veen 3 [10:04]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [10:04]
trinque: !!v DD3472A1125220A83FDB9923181669D61BE07F317D0813F0561204D105AE9EFB [10:04]
deedbot: trinque rated veen 3 [10:04]
trinque: ^ gentleman in ben_vulpes' meatwot, smart fella. [10:05]
mircea_popescu: is this the $bizpartner in logs ? [10:05]
trinque: yep, I'll otherwise let ben_vulpes make intros [10:06]
mircea_popescu: well good you fellows said something, because $next out of my mouth was going to be something along the lines of "hey, since you're so voluble but clearly nontechnical, how about you write something for qntra". [10:08]
trinque: lol [10:08]
BingoBoingo: Hey, write something for qntra anyway before you go touching tech knobs [10:12]
mircea_popescu: not a bad approach altogether. [10:17]
mircea_popescu: should be a step in between "hi" and "ok, go write your own v implementation / log bot". "write the news, man" could work as well. [10:17]
ben_vulpes: aye, that's him [10:59]
ben_vulpes: runs a tight ship, i'm proud to serve with the man. [11:06]
mircea_popescu: so what's he, like the business mind in that cascadian outfit of yours ? [11:07]
BingoBoingo: He prolly does everything while ben_vulpes maeks baby and IRC's [11:08]
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder how you think babies are made bb. [11:08]
ben_vulpes: clearly you staple them together from human parts one finds at walmart [11:09]
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha [11:09]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: after four years of constant close collaboration we're pretty hot swappable [11:09]
mircea_popescu: how porny did that sound! [11:10]
ben_vulpes: it's real gay [11:10]
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> clearly you staple them together from human parts one finds at walmart << You spray a big glob of expanding foam and then gab hammer to smith glob into baby shape [11:10]
trinque: thought it was that pink slime they use at mcdonalds [11:11]
BingoBoingo: Pink slime spoils eventually, polyurethane endures. Makes weather resistant baby [11:12]
mircea_popescu: this discussion is oddly in line with the latest trilema. [11:12]
ben_vulpes: anyways, the man stands on his own feet. [11:13]
BingoBoingo: !~later tell veen Please 2 submit a Qntra piece on clozure's connections to the Pizza Pedos [11:14]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. [11:14]
mircea_popescu: dude be seriouse! [11:15]
BingoBoingo: Gotta take Lord vulpes at his word! [11:16]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: going to watch westworld instead of the statham crap anytime soon? [11:17]
mircea_popescu: i tried. meh. [11:18]
mircea_popescu: where ed harris / anthony hopkins go to die / [11:18]
ben_vulpes: you didn't even like the whores?! [11:19]
deedbot: << Trilema - MP's wonderful primary school furniture item idea [11:20]
mircea_popescu: which whores ? [11:20]
ben_vulpes: a quick skim of something purporting to be a script for ep1 suggests they don't show up in episode one! [11:23]
mircea_popescu: you don't mean the rail skin bitchy dorks in the texas bar pretending to be "in the wild west" do you ? [11:24]
ben_vulpes: yeah dems [11:24]
hanbot: mircea_popescu would prolly like it better in reverse sequence, but damage's prolly done [11:24]
mircea_popescu: you've got to be kidding me. [11:24]
ben_vulpes: quite a bit of whorin and dyin [11:25]
mircea_popescu: here's the thing ben_vulpes : that item is contrived, badly, because made by people who have absolutely no life experience beyond the water cooler and no substantial understanding of anything, and i do mean anything, including their own feet. [11:25]
ben_vulpes: hanbot: alas [11:25]
mircea_popescu: now, to best explain this point, we will look at what lays closest to home. so : the relationship between the "machiavellian" advertising dork and the "professional" ceo woman or w/e she is [11:26]
mircea_popescu: DOES NOT WORK! [11:26]
mircea_popescu: there's a whole lot of bickering, pointless and evidently there for the needs of inept script writers who "we didn't know how to write for a woman", except thye don't know how to write for powerful people, or ambitious people, or in general people. notwithstanding they maintain delusions of belonging to some/all those categories. [11:27]
mircea_popescu: this same problem is present throughout. those whores don't work, at all, much like whatever engine your kid will make in two years won't work. [11:27]
mircea_popescu: what varies is how obvious it is, but at the core, the whole thing is someone's splooge spread out on a napkin pretending to be "an idea". it's not an idea, partly because it doesn't use ink, and partly because those aren't letters. [11:28]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, outage. [11:28]
asciilifeform: these are becoming a regular thing. [11:29]
mircea_popescu: lol that name is so well chosen. " outage!" [11:29]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oya, those are the worst scenes [11:33]
ben_vulpes: dunno who'd watch ww for anything other than the rape, titties, and watching the robots suffer through endless reincarnations sort-of remembering things [11:34]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: [11:35]
mircea_popescu: would have helped if they didn't PUT the worst scenes in there at all. [11:39]
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's like going to a brothel where this petite asian DOES suck your cock on her knees looking up, however the whole place reeks of cabbage stu and there's a naggy old woman always heard in the background. [11:39]
asciilifeform: aaand it's back, << looks like usg tested $wunderwaffen on kjn then satisfied that 0 detection then zapped ambassador churkin with same. [11:40]
mircea_popescu: possibru. [11:41]
asciilifeform: 'Determining whether poison killed the half brother of North Korea’s leader in a busy airport is proving difficult for Malaysian officials, who said on Tuesday that autopsy results have so far been inconclusive. ... Kim did not suffer a heart attack and had no puncture wounds, such as those a needle would have left ... ' [11:41]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it's an american cultural artifact ca. 2016 let us marvel that the scriptwriters were allowed to ship the scene where ed harris drags blondie into a shed by her hair [11:45]
mircea_popescu: i kinda went through a whole pile of this in the 80s, tyvm but i didn't think it was very good back then, either. [11:45]
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit what half-assed performance dumbass delivers "within the constraints of her education" [11:46]
mircea_popescu: naked on the street, now. [11:46]
ben_vulpes: well see that's your problem, you have standards and a breadth of experience and shit [11:47]
mircea_popescu: yeah, that'd be it. [11:47]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, << oven candidates rehearse for oven [11:47]
ben_vulpes: all americans have is this vague conviction that nothing is good, and that some things are less shite than others. [11:47]
asciilifeform: << goes with previous. mr.t is being set up as '“The President’s sudden acknowledgement is a Band-Aid on the cancer of anti-Semitism that has infected his own administration,” Steven Goldstein, executive director of the Anne Frank Center ...' [11:57]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is an anne frank center. [12:02]
trinque: Trump used a morning visit to the Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History and Culture to offer his condemnation << wahaha, "what group of whiners is this again? oh whatever" [12:02]
mircea_popescu: we should probably make a barrack obama center. [12:02]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they did, they called it 'museum of african american history' [12:02]
asciilifeform: massive brutalist box in formerly empty space near washington monument [12:02]
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what "they" think they did. [12:02]
mircea_popescu: we make it. proper-like. [12:02]
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo [12:03]
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded. [12:03]
mircea_popescu: and in other 2014s, [12:17]
asciilifeform: sooooooo.... ACHTUNG, PANZERS! i found ~one~ heretofore-undiscovered cause of black hole: [12:34]
shinohai: >.> [12:35]
asciilifeform: << prb 0.6.1rc1 introduced a 'heartbeat' mechanism, where a prb node seeing ver. > 60000 ( see ) sends 'pings' and expects back 'pong' [12:35]
asciilifeform: so they see trb set to, e.g., 99999 (as mine, for instance, are) and goes ping,ping,ping,motherfucker,ping,ping,whywontchapong [12:36]
asciilifeform: this soaks up precious single-threaded sockets... [12:36]
asciilifeform: box falls behind, loses peers, begins to sink into classical blackhole behaviour (as it gets dropped by everybody, including fellow trb nodes) [12:37]
mircea_popescu: i thought we had thread re filtering out prb pings [12:38]
asciilifeform: did we?! [12:38]
asciilifeform: link plox? [12:38]
mircea_popescu: ugh [12:38]
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu's old node declared 60000 compatibility. so it probably gets same treatment from prb peers [12:39]
asciilifeform: did it 'pong' back ? or drop'em ? or wat. [12:40]
mircea_popescu: well now i can't fucking find it. obviously. [12:40]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it drops them. and i am pretty clearly remembering we talking about this in the early days of trb and foundation [12:41]
mircea_popescu: (it drops them = it simply discards the pings) [12:41]
asciilifeform: well we also right now discard the pings. [12:41]
asciilifeform: but what this results in is a deadweight peer [12:41]
asciilifeform: because ~he~ 1) sits on the socket + 2) won't talk [12:41]
asciilifeform: enough of these, and you get one type of blackhole. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: nah, the actual peer doesn't get them [12:42]
asciilifeform: he doesn't get a 'pong' back, and so sits there like idiot [12:42]
asciilifeform: doing nothing and occupying socket. [12:42]
asciilifeform: eventually he disconnects, but does not add us to his ban list, and so the process repeats, ad infinitum. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: we add him to ours though [12:43]
asciilifeform: we could. [12:43]
asciilifeform: could simply add anybody who emits a 'ping' to banlist. [12:43]
mircea_popescu: this pingdom thing is an inadvertent marker for cowboy node [12:44]
mircea_popescu: (ie, not infrastructural element) [12:44]
trinque: ping is not already considered a heathen command? [12:44]
asciilifeform: trinque: as a matter of fact, no: << it was grandfathered in [12:46]
asciilifeform: in the sense that i left lines 2097..2099 live, when introduced 'malleus' [12:46]
asciilifeform: it is possible to remove'em, trivially. this will result in banning 'pingers' and a hard break with prbnet. [12:46]
trinque: ah yep, there it is [12:47]
mircea_popescu: it won't actually break with prbnet, mostly because prbnet is not actually run on prb nodes. they just connect to it. [12:47]
mircea_popescu: sort-of how apple doesn't run osx on whatever servers the ipads connect to. [12:48]
asciilifeform: whatthehell is 'prbnet' if not the swamp of prb nodes. [12:48]
mircea_popescu: "lightning network" [12:50]
* asciilifeform not familiar [12:50]
mircea_popescu: basically sometime in 2014 the fake bitcoin dorks discovered that their "technology" doesn't work, and sort-of split it into "the working part" and "the frontend part". they evolved undesignedly sort-of independetly, now there's a shambling abomination and a writhing horror. [12:51]
mircea_popescu: at that point, the writhing horror (which you think of as prb) had about 10x as many loc as trb does by now it's 100x. [12:51]
mircea_popescu: the shambling abomination started life as this "optimization" by blue mat that others (esp the ones trying to have shit work, rather than engaged in pure github livejournalry) clung on to. but then it got discontinued [12:52]
mircea_popescu: so various almost working assemblaged got ad-hoced in its place. [12:52]
mircea_popescu: the poor situation of the shambling abomination is the deep reason for repeated humiliations delivered recently to for instance. [12:52]
mircea_popescu: it's approaching breaking point, evidently. [12:52]
mircea_popescu: as the "business" (in the sense of pretending to sv vc, that sorty of thing) portion of the larger prb ecosystem is running into a very marked bitcoin winter (recall, bitpay axed most of the crew a year ago), the ramen support for the "tech" side of prb (various mendacious scumbags like luke-jr, assorted imbeciles like taaki or that idiot who emailed the entire customer base the email addresses of the entire customer base, "p [12:55]
mircea_popescu: hantomcircuit") find it harder and harder to cling on to their pretense actively. [12:55]
mircea_popescu: ie, we survived summer of forks, wheel turned, now they hafta survive winter of dorks. dun look so well for them, but we see. [12:55]
mircea_popescu: i think that about covers it. questions ? [12:56]
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack, i set up tcpdump on blackholed dulap and recorded [13:18]
asciilifeform: found quite a few wtf [13:18]
asciilifeform: for instance, some nodes send 'multipings', [13:18]
asciilifeform: single message containing 3,4,5 pings ! [13:18]
asciilifeform: for instance. [13:19]
mircea_popescu: this is (at least by my lights) the result of running node on vps. interface optimizes the message on the outbound [13:19]
mircea_popescu: "gaming server" etc. [13:19]
asciilifeform: entirely possible [13:20]
asciilifeform: the other interesting tidbit is that a blackhole node is often spoken to (by would-be peers) but never once speaks [13:20]
mircea_popescu: if you recall during the original blackhole debate, this was the argument in favour of "at fault is the broken node code" [13:20]
asciilifeform: something that was sent to it, much earlier, gums up the works [13:21]
veen: BingoBoingo: at which address are qntra submissions accepted? [13:24]
mircea_popescu: veen do it like so : [13:25]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 17:03 shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo [13:25]
shinohai: oooh a new Qntra contributor? [13:29]
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! [13:52]
asciilifeform: [13:52]
trinque: lel, was just building teh snip-snippy myself [13:53]
trinque: we'll see what it does to deedbot [13:53]
deedbot: << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Oh coloured wings riding winds of change. Hello! [13:54]
mircea_popescu: trinque should be more interesting to see what it does to mimisbrunnr [13:56]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do try the above patch, may actually bring you back above waterline. [13:56]
trinque: deedbot does lag time to time [13:56]
trinque: I just keep tabs on it and give it a restart when [13:57]
mircea_popescu: aha [13:57]
mircea_popescu: but he was benchmarking "who hears tx first" and that type of thing [13:57]
ben_vulpes: heh hadn't gotten to "who hears tx first", that'll need umpteen nodes to do properly unless i misread the situation. [14:00]
asciilifeform: dulap now operating with 'goodbye, pingers'. [14:00]
trinque: I wonder if it'd be useful for deedbot to say a txid when sending. [14:01]
trinque: for other folks to note time until seen [14:01]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the sort of thing i had i nmind : [14:02]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 22:55 ben_vulpes: falling behind? [14:02]
mircea_popescu: trinque can't hurt, if it knows its txid at that point [14:02]
asciilifeform: i will now also confirm that a goodbye-pingers node still receives blocks. [14:02]
ben_vulpes: neato asciilifeform, i will get this into rotation [14:03]
asciilifeform: kako can put this in his pipe, and smoke it. [14:03]
ben_vulpes: in re "nobody over there even does anything"? [14:03]
mircea_popescu: there's a pipe ? [14:03]
asciilifeform: in re 'if you won't talk to prb, you won't hear from miners' thing. [14:03]
ben_vulpes: ah [14:03]
trinque: seems to me you'd end up closer to miners [14:03]
trinque: circumventing the swamp [14:04]
ben_vulpes: no but no trinque miners run cutting edge stuff only [14:04]
mircea_popescu: prb.wh != != miner.backbone [14:04]
mircea_popescu: originally, miner code got split off the main satoshi base sometime in 2011. there was a lot of back and forth between pre-trb prb node code and the node code miners used, but not that much in the past few years. [14:05]
asciilifeform: btw dulap will appear to be blackholed from pov of everybody else, for probably hour or more, as it is catching up with blocks [14:06]
asciilifeform: and, recall, single-threaded idiocy [14:06]
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, hn twofer: "don't tell anyone that tls doesn't even work" and "sam altman looks outside" [14:08]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, jurov , and anybody else still running old prb nodes for whatever reasons of their own -- note that you will no longer be able to connect to dulap. (or to zoolag, when i patch it. or to anybody else who includes this patch.) [14:08]
asciilifeform: ProcessMessage(alert, 168 bytes) FAILED << lel, somebody still sending these [14:27]
asciilifeform: (they, like other nonsense, get malleus'd) [14:27]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the alert they're trying to send? [14:28]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'll answer this when i eat the current pcap [14:29]
asciilifeform: (it is very much a manual, batched process.) [14:29]
ben_vulpes: idle curiosity, don't let it block important stuffs [14:30]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is a slow-burning project of mine in its own right -- to determine what the fuck EXACTLY these things are doing, when they go 'blackhole' [14:30]
asciilifeform: and also to answer several other itching questions of mine [14:31]
asciilifeform: e.g., do new valid blocks come 'from everywhere', or consistently from a few places. [14:31]
ben_vulpes: also excellent question [14:32]
asciilifeform: or, how much time does trb node spend rejecting crapolade from same idiots again and again [14:32]
asciilifeform: or, what portion of tx are valid, and what portion -- obvious nonsense [14:32]
ben_vulpes: it should be doable to 'getpeers' from the nodes from which a trb gets a block and then attempt to traverse upstream, no? [14:32]
asciilifeform: or, what portion of mempool actually makes it into blocks [14:32]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: getaddr [14:33]
asciilifeform: but yes, for instance. [14:33]
asciilifeform: to continue: what portion of cpu time is spent verifying ultimately invalid blocks? [14:33]
asciilifeform: what portion of network bandwidth is taken up by crapola ? [14:34]
asciilifeform: is there a consistent set of peers who 'prank call' (dial and won't speak) ? [14:34]
asciilifeform: and a number of other conundrums, that really ought not to be conundrums this far in. [14:34]
ben_vulpes: feel free to jot the rest down lol [14:35]
asciilifeform: i have listed the imho most interesting, above. [14:35]
asciilifeform: other folx ( particularly mircea_popescu ) may also be interested in tx propagation, but i am unequipped to test this. [14:35]
ben_vulpes: i don't mind the arcana, it's what a holistic understanding's made of [14:35]
asciilifeform: (given as i generate a tx perhaps yearly) [14:36]
asciilifeform: in other lelz, 'The White House repeatedly refused to mention Jews in its Holocaust remembrance, and had the audacity to take offense when the world pointed out the ramifications of Holocaust denial.' [14:58]
asciilifeform: in other noose, as discussed earlier ( ) >> << autodesk bought and destroyed 'eagle', the only fully functioning pcb cad for linux. [15:30]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-05 16:54 mircea_popescu: i can't even recall who was in cadsoft prior to sale. [15:30]
deedbot: << Qntra - Dream Market (Yet another Darknet Market) Accounts Compromised [15:55]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bastard 0.7 ish node corrected will patch trb nodes at convenient time, tyvm [16:11]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [16:21]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1116.56, vol: 8652.47831716 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1079.997, vol: 7554.2308 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1120.1, vol: 29084.22992281 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1060.688547, vol: 8393.38810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1118.448, vol: 2802.65060397 | Volume-weighted last average: 1105.28471892 [16:21]
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, >> 'Now, if a suspect receives drugs by post — which he denies he ordered — the police can go over his bitcoin transaction history and see whether he has sent bitcoins to anyone recently.' [16:28]
asciilifeform: hey if bits-on-a-disk-in-police-custody can count as 'evidence' of anything else -- why not this. [16:29]
asciilifeform: and if the bits are not the right bits -- they can 'help'. [16:29]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lulzy pieces. they kind of remind me of 1980s items. [16:29]
asciilifeform: as they currently 'help' in cp cases. [16:29]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> to continue: what portion of cpu time is spent verifying ultimately invalid blocks? <<< yes, yes and yes, altogether a proper STATs module should very much be part of stock trb, and very helpful if it were. [16:35]
mircea_popescu: this directly links into the "garage chemistry = the fundamental articulation of western world", or, give everyday fellow powerful tools that touch the root of the world. [16:36]
* mircea_popescu is very much in favour. [16:36]
mircea_popescu: << hurr durr, nyt & friends still refusing to graduate the You Are Not The World 101 class at the School of Hard Knocks. probably signals the need for special ed, they've been stuck on this entry level subject for years now. [16:40]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 19:58 asciilifeform: in other lelz, 'The White House repeatedly refused to mention Jews in its Holocaust remembrance, and had the audacity to take offense when the world pointed out the ramifications of Holocaust denial.' [16:40]
mircea_popescu: apparently one bad usa is africa" track they listened to back in '85 constitutes enough basis to ignore scientific research for these schmucks. [16:41]
asciilifeform: 'the world pointed out' [16:43]
asciilifeform: didjaknow. [16:43]
mircea_popescu: o totally. [16:43]
mircea_popescu: btw, check out what altman does with his time. does this look like the job of an engineer or the job of a politruk ? [16:55]
ben_vulpes: altman is supposed to be an engineer? [16:55]
ben_vulpes: i thought he was a blogger scraped off some other vc firm's shoe [16:55]
mircea_popescu: who would, upon hitler winning unexpectedly, drop everything he was doing and start "talking to people" ? wernher von braun or joseph goebbels ? [16:55]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes depends who you ask. according to the average 2oish yo "stem" imbecile, he's a role model. [16:56]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the sheer insanity of this, you know, dork who supposedly "is a ceo" and "we something or the other billions of dollars something or the else other companies corporate business like real men and with suits!!!1" nevertheless has the fucking time to go on campaign trail. and the absence of mind to do it AFTER the election. [16:57]
deedbot: << Qntra - Yiannopoulos Quits Media Giant Breitbart [17:01]
trinque: lol, first flynn, now teh 'dangerous faggot' [17:01]
trinque: left is on the move, people! [17:01]
trinque: what impotent losers. [17:02]
mircea_popescu: oh noes ? [17:02]
trinque: I suppose next they'll egg George W's house [17:04]
mircea_popescu: or nearly egg it, feel very intensely like egging it [17:05]
mircea_popescu: AND THEN TWITTERING ABOUT IT [17:05]
mircea_popescu: #wedidntdoanythingtoday [17:05]
BingoBoingo: 4srs, about time Milo went independent again [17:11]
mircea_popescu: what does he do when he's independent ? [17:12]
BingoBoingo: Starts own MicroBart [17:12]
mircea_popescu: is he old enough for this ? [17:12]
BingoBoingo: He started some tech rag "The Kernel" he sold to DailyDot [17:12]
mircea_popescu: the cuban model ? [17:13]
BingoBoingo: Then he let his politics flag fly. Should have the money to do it. [17:13]
mircea_popescu: i guess. [17:13]
mircea_popescu: oh and to get back on the qntra topic : that the molested child enjoys the experience is neither shocking nor that uncommon. [17:16]
BingoBoingo: Still, big media that hates frat-rape is denying victim his lived experience! [17:17]
mircea_popescu: a good chunk of the "psychological damage" of what's known in the us as "child molestation" and in the rest of the world, both geographically and historically as nothing in particular has to do with the batshit insane reaction of the environment. substantially the EXACT same cause driving psychological damage in "abused children" as used to drive psychological damage in "mentally ill" aka homosexuals. it did get turing to kil [17:18]
mircea_popescu: l himself. [17:18]
mircea_popescu: hence all the discussions re "fags got their weddings, pedos are next". [17:18]
mircea_popescu: the similarities are quite marked. [17:18]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and funnily enough they don't CALL IT THAT, either. [17:20]
BingoBoingo: Well, what can they do without vocabulary? [17:21]
mircea_popescu: it's not just a case of "it's our democracy when we do it and corruption when russia does it" the linguistic shenanigans are at the very core of libertard program. "it's denying victim their living experience when you tell susan j fowler or whatever other coreboot-broad-of-the-day that she's just not very birhgt and didn't work very hard but it's nothing when dangerous homosexual etc" [17:22]
mircea_popescu: at this point it is strictly impossible to distinguish between us "progressive" and a woman that's been locked into a house with preteens for too long and simply snapped and lost her mind. [17:23]
* danielpbarron would rather see pedo marriage than homo marriage [17:23]
mircea_popescu: pedo marriage still the norm, go to india, the middle east, wherever. [17:23]
mircea_popescu: 12 brides exceed 21 yo brides by a large margin. [17:24]
ben_vulpes: atlantic even did a piece on a victorian child bride recently [17:24]
ben_vulpes: "queer victorians" or some such [17:24]
mircea_popescu: right, everyone's grandmother got married at 12 also. [17:24]
trinque: pedo tends to mean quite a bit younger, eh? [17:26]
mircea_popescu: in whose usage ? [17:27]
danielpbarron: ban divorce and it isn't "pedo marriage" -- she grows up eventually [17:27]
trinque: that's actually the claim dangerous fag guy made which causes teh scandal [17:27]
trinque: "pubescent != pedo" [17:27]
danielpbarron: scandal only because it can't be about fertility or else homosexuality is similarly wrong [17:28]
mircea_popescu: there is that. [17:29]
ben_vulpes: hence the magic number (18!!!) with exceptions (unless you're both under 18! except if we want to try you as an adult!) [17:29]
ben_vulpes: sad inevitability of governing by numbers. [17:30]
mircea_popescu: the magic number 18 has a lot more to do with historical extraction. people wanted to get work out of children there's a soft spot where the uncastrated animal becomes more trouble than it's worth. [17:31]
mircea_popescu: since they weren't about to start castrating boys (mostly because the crown wouldn't let them otherwise us southerners very much DID, and would again if could) they had to give up on them at some point and let those "indentured" servant "contracts" expire. [17:32]
mircea_popescu: "how old does he have to be before the risk of punching you out, burning your house and fucking your wife and daughter outweighs whatever useful labour you may extract out of him" is scarcely a cogent basis for discussing how old must be the girl before you can buy her. [17:33]
danielpbarron: heh so not child abuse but "hey! stop trying to get my farm equipment pregnant!" [17:33]
mircea_popescu: nah, it was never about the girls. [17:33]
mircea_popescu: and generally - the proposition that females mattered at any point in human history, no matter the circumstance or perspective, is laughable. [17:34]
mircea_popescu: no law was made by women or for women no conflict was with women or about women, on it goes. the ancient complaint that "media fails to ~DEPICT~ the struggles of women and the impact of women" is so much charade. history fails to record because reality fails to contain. so media has to fail to depict if it cares to stay sane. [17:34]
mircea_popescu: and if it doesn't care to stay sane, the result is inevitably crank and tangerine. [17:34]
danielpbarron: poetic [17:35]
trinque: there is a very plain consideration on when pregnancy is going to sap energy otherwise allocated to maturation [17:36]
trinque: if we're talking about utility [17:36]
mircea_popescu: this hasn't anything to do with it as far as i can see. ironically women are more mature by whatever metric - aware, dependable, etc. in all times and places, broadly speaking. [17:37]
mircea_popescu: the issue is that women are adaptable, men are not. you understand how this works ? [17:37]
trinque: sure, men are, then go out and die or not [17:37]
mircea_popescu: no i mean the economics of flexibility. [17:38]
mircea_popescu: a commonly discussed example is that "everything in us consumer market is kosher, including $random item for exemplification". then there's some o wow, kosher eaters are a fraction of 1% of the whole market. [17:39]
mircea_popescu: the mechanics is that kosher eaters WILL NOT eat non-kosher whereas everyone else will eat whatever. [17:39]
mircea_popescu: as keeping two sets of $item has significant costs, it is cheaper to just make everything kosher. [17:40]
asciilifeform: down?? [17:40]
mircea_popescu: this is why merely TOLERATING vegetarians is insanity if you like meat. you eating either their soy or a steak while they ONLY eat soy will ENSURE you will not be able to eat meat. [17:40]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yes [17:40]
asciilifeform: aite [17:40]
mircea_popescu: so do not simply tolerate a vegetarian. either kick her out or beat her up. [17:40]
ben_vulpes: an eyebrow should suffice. [17:41]
mircea_popescu: well, economics dun care. [17:42]
ben_vulpes: instead of a thrashing i mean. [17:42]
mircea_popescu: yes, yes. you'll find out if it sufficed or not at the other end. [17:42]
* ben_vulpes looks, sees no more vegetarians in his house [17:42]
mircea_popescu: this is incidentally why "irrational behaviour!! murder!! common graves!!!". because of exactly the above, economics dun care, so the inborn reflex is to overdo and make sure, rather than find out it didn't take on the other end. [17:43]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes speaking of house, the BEST THING father can do for his daughter, aged 9 to 19, is make sure she has abundant, clean protein available. no meal without salmon, fine beef, shrimp, pump her full of 100g of protein a day. [17:44]
ben_vulpes: yeah. eyebrow only works if it implies "how to deliver punishment" [17:44]
asciilifeform: see also [17:44]
a111: Logged on 2015-11-08 03:33 asciilifeform: in the words of mr mold, 'death is quicker, cheaper, simpler, and more persuasive than persuasion' [17:44]
mircea_popescu: it adds a solid two inches to her legs. [17:44]
ben_vulpes: s-sauce? [17:44]
mircea_popescu: hm ? [17:44]
ben_vulpes: how do you know this, and also what does it do to boys [17:45]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: best documented example is the japanese subway [17:45]
mircea_popescu: does the same to boys lol. nutrition is important to kids. and nutrition means meat. [17:45]
asciilifeform: which had to enlarge chairs, train ceilings, whole shebang, in 1960s [17:45]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: because of increased protein intake i gather? [17:45]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im reeling in shock of having been asked to document this. [17:45]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same [17:45]
asciilifeform: 'mouse in evacuated jar dies' 'sauce?' [17:45]
ben_vulpes: just cutting through decades of nutritive malinformation over here [17:46]
trinque: well, and find meat without hormones or toxic sludge throughout, go on [17:46]
mircea_popescu: kids must have abundant food and very little fastcrap. [17:46]
mircea_popescu: trinque there is that, yes. [17:46]
* mircea_popescu has seen this time and again, IN POINT OF FACT, experimentally, throughout his 15 years!!!! of slavekeeping career. "our democracy" western girl shows up, shorter than she could have been and fattier than she should be. switches to sane diet, her fat turns out "resistant" because hey, body used it as burial grounds for all sorts of radioactive waste. eventually it all clears out and her ACTUAL, genotypical body type eme [17:48]
mircea_popescu: and then she hates her parents. [17:48]
mircea_popescu: with good cause and in a fundamental and unfixable way. "bitch, why didn't you feed me when i was young and needed you to ?" [17:48]
asciilifeform: holyfuck i am seeing 'ACTION' in '<mircea_popescu> ACTION has seen this time'... but sees the correct line [17:49]
mircea_popescu: hm [17:49]
* mircea_popescu now ? [17:49]
asciilifeform: now the correct [17:50]
asciilifeform: what changed ? [17:50]
* mircea_popescu has seen this time and again, IN POINT OF FACT, experimentally, throughout his 15 years!!!! of slavekeeping career. "our democracy" western girl shows up, shorter than she could have been and fattier than she should be. switches to sane diet, her fat turns out "resistant" because hey, body used it as burial grounds for all sorts of radioactive waste. eventually it all clears out and her ACTUAL, genotypical body type eme [17:50]
mircea_popescu: now ? [17:50]
asciilifeform: now crapolade [17:50]
mircea_popescu: dude wtf apparently my client sends a broken char if the line is overlong. [17:50]
asciilifeform: phf's logger swallows without burping [17:51]
* mircea_popescu pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam [17:51]
* mircea_popescu pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam ple [17:51]
mircea_popescu: ugh. [17:51]
asciilifeform: lel yes, just as described [17:51]
mircea_popescu: well phf's thing works becsause phf is a smart cookie, but this is just ridiculous. [17:51]
asciilifeform: in other wtf's, banning pings took dulap from 50+ to 7 peers (1 of which is zoolag), and none of'em seem to know of any block past 454073 [17:53]
asciilifeform: for hours nao. [17:53]
mircea_popescu: i have nodes locked on that too. [17:54]
asciilifeform: both of mine, are [17:54]
mircea_popescu: there's something iffy with that block, i've not yet looked into it. [17:54]
asciilifeform: it is why i asked after mimisbrunnr [17:54]
asciilifeform: wanted to examine 454074. [17:54]
asciilifeform: does anybody have 454074 on a spitblock-capable node ? [17:54]
ben_vulpes: my node is entirely locked up atm [17:55]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ? jurov ? [17:55]
ben_vulpes: well, the node to which mimisbrunnr's attached. [17:55]
asciilifeform: aah [17:55]
mircea_popescu: 74 is actually overfull. it might not even verify. 999.968kb [17:55]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nah, e.g., 454047, was larger. [17:56]
mircea_popescu: it's not strictly the size, just a broad indicator. [17:56]
asciilifeform: then which [17:57]
* mircea_popescu keeps waiting for one of these "optimized" blocks that finally breaks hell loose. [17:57]
asciilifeform: sigops ? [17:57]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Stalled out on new blocks after pingpatch 454094 is last new block [17:57]
mircea_popescu: i have nfi. if i had a clue i'd say [17:57]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that is long past my wedgepoint [17:57]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's where I wedged after pingpatch [17:57]
mircea_popescu: anyway, is pretty much a bitcoin attacker by this point, at least in my books. [17:57]
asciilifeform: my concern is not that there is a boojum in 454074. but that the thin red line connecting my trb nodez to miners are -- apparently -- veeeery thin [17:58]
ben_vulpes: that node's not wedged but very far behind. [17:58]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect your node's problem is verification. [17:58]
mircea_popescu: you just happened to get one of these shitted in while looking for something else. [17:58]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. it simply hasn't heard a block in ~2 hrs. [17:58]
mircea_popescu: the exact process that makes this whole pile so difficult to watch. [17:58]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because it only talks to nodes that are trying to eat that one. [17:59]
asciilifeform: actually it very often meets a , e.g., version message: version 70002, blocks=454102 [17:59]
asciilifeform: but tells him to go to hell because ping. [17:59]
mircea_popescu: ah ? [17:59]
mircea_popescu: ok so then [17:59]
asciilifeform: hundreds of these, now, in my log. [17:59]
BingoBoingo: More elegant ping solution may be required [18:01]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is not clear to me that there is such a thing as elegant solution, to what may very well be an ecological problem [18:02]
asciilifeform: i.e. if there is a mass of prb between us and miners. [18:02]
BingoBoingo: Clear out the space with a pesticide fogger? [18:02]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu sprayed megatonnes of ddt, the pests -- just got high [18:02]
mircea_popescu: if only someone invented selective poison for stupid people. [18:06]
mircea_popescu: but we're not even at the point where mosquitoes were exterminated, so... [18:07]
mircea_popescu: human civilisation will have to wait. [18:07]
asciilifeform: btw how come i see 'Unable to decode output address' messages at ? i thought they had latest weirdo addr prb system [18:07]
asciilifeform: for p2sh etc. [18:07]
mircea_popescu: possibly fuzzer txn. [18:08]
ben_vulpes: (because everyone reads the logs?) [18:08]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're in a block [18:08]
mircea_popescu: so ? [18:08]
asciilifeform: e.g., [18:08]
mircea_popescu: the crap that ends up into blocks would astound oyu. [18:08]
BingoBoingo: My problem of the now is connecting to nodes with a higher blockheight than I [18:10]
asciilifeform: thus far i have not found anything in 454074 that is not in quite recently earlier blox [18:11]
asciilifeform: (any kind of thing, rather) [18:11]
mircea_popescu: me either. [18:11]
mircea_popescu: anyway, off to dinner. [18:12]
asciilifeform: dulap down to 4. [18:17]
asciilifeform: right now this is not even a very interesting wtf. it may however become interesting if a miner decides to sit down on trb island. [18:22]
asciilifeform: and forkulate. [18:23]
ben_vulpes: node attached to mimisbrunnr is stuck at 454003 [18:24]
asciilifeform: that'd be quite a bit earlier [18:24]
ben_vulpes: aye, can't quite see why it'd be stuck there [18:24]
asciilifeform: how long has it sat there, ben_vulpes ? [18:24]
ben_vulpes: node has only recently begun responding to rpc calls [18:25]
asciilifeform: ( and are you equipped to answer this q accurately ) [18:25]
ben_vulpes: and no i am not. [18:25]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: a node that is not responding to rpc is nearly always simply catching up on massive backlog of blox [18:26]
ben_vulpes: it would be feasible to chart time density of log statements [18:26]
asciilifeform: during which it invariably loses all peers but the one supplying said blocks [18:26]
ben_vulpes: just saw this in my logs: [18:26]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aya, the odd thing by my read is that it is responding to rpc calls but hasn't found from whom to get the rest of the blocks [18:29]
asciilifeform: aaaaand we've got 454074. [18:29]
ben_vulpes: or lol hadn't until right now [18:29]
asciilifeform: and ..75. [18:30]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Stepped away from node and it started catching up again [18:31]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was finally eaten i see [18:33]
mircea_popescu: ah yeah, there. [18:33]
asciilifeform: the other major disgrace is that i have no way to make, e.g., zoolag and dulap NEVER MOTHERFUCKING BREAK UP [18:33]
asciilifeform: there is literally no mechanism for this, nor is it a simple retrofit. [18:33]
mircea_popescu: that'll be a while AFTER getting the readable source. [18:33]
asciilifeform: the 'all monkeys are equal' idiocy is deeply baked in. [18:33]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'd have to be after abolishing the polled socket thing entirely, and salting the earth where it stood, and cleansing with napalm for good measure [18:34]
asciilifeform: i.e. 'trb-i' [18:34]
mircea_popescu: pretty much. [18:34]
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why bitcoin would EVEN INCLUDE networking code. [18:35]
mircea_popescu: bitch, handle the buffers. let someone who knows what they're doing do the networking for you. [18:35]
asciilifeform: ^^^ [18:35]
mircea_popescu: but such is the pain that comes with "lalala can't hear you unless you have a prototype", which is the swamp satoshi had the misfortune of being born into. [18:35]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is typical of amateur programmers esp of the windows variety to sorely misrepresent the immense bojum networtking is. [18:36]
asciilifeform: consider how on winblowz the proposition of 'separate out the network code' is not even practical to contemplate. [18:39]
mircea_popescu: yep [18:39]
veen: << a long-standing wtf in my mind [18:41]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 23:35 mircea_popescu: i have nfi why bitcoin would EVEN INCLUDE networking code. [18:41]
BingoBoingo: Also there may be more bogum from getdata command. Apparently ver greater than 60002 "opts-in" to "enhanced" version [18:48]
asciilifeform: meanwhile in lulzistan, >> '...Apple recently acquired Realface, an up-and-coming Israeli startup with impressive real-time facial recognition software ... Lending credence to rumors that the iPhone 8 may forgo the use of Touch ID in favor of facial recognition, Realface’s software is said to be sophisticated enough... ' << for schmucks who thought 'eh i'll use crapple, with this here plastic camera condom' [18:51]
asciilifeform: crapple: 'camera always on -- or fuckyou' [18:52]
asciilifeform: and first crapple, and week later -- turdroid. [18:52]
BingoBoingo: [18:52]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: these get banhammered [18:53]
asciilifeform: (see the logs of any operating trb node) [18:53]
asciilifeform: ^ or rather, nodes having malleus [18:53]
asciilifeform: but meanwhile in the monkey cages, >> '“Climate change is not a controversy,” read one sign at yesterday’s “Rally to Stand Up for Science,” which drew hundreds to the historic downtown plaza. ... "We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science, science is the backbone of our prosperity and progress," said Geoffrey Supran, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Univer [18:55]
asciilifeform: sity and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, who studies renewable energy, to the Associated Press.' [18:55]
asciilifeform: SCIENCEHATESYOU! (tm) (r) (reddit) [18:55]
asciilifeform: didjaknow. [18:55]
mircea_popescu: lol fellow at both of them ? [18:55]
mircea_popescu: and he fails to see the fundamental connection between him supporting "science" and at the same time being postgrad at BOTH of these ? [18:56]
mircea_popescu: because why, they teach nonsense ? how can he fail to see this ? [18:56]
mircea_popescu: if it were actual science, the honest to god sort, kvant-science, "you're not smart enough to ride" science, yes it would be at the basis of a country (would it call itself "america" ? why not ?), but it wouldn't be possible for him to pretend what he's pretending. [18:57]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all the d00d sees, or even wants to see, is the wagonload of cv padding, and the payola stretching bank acct to new decimal places every month [18:57]
mircea_popescu: how many mathematician-surgeons did you meet in 1987 moscow ? [18:57]
mircea_popescu: who WERENT barely literate con artists ? [18:57]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well america totally is built on that, no argument there. [18:58]
asciilifeform: when you read 'fellow at X and at the Y' it means ye olde patronage system, a la tammany hall, d00d collects 2,3,4,5 salaries, while doing ~0 [18:59]
mircea_popescu: no shit. [18:59]
mircea_popescu: more or less. [19:02]
ben_vulpes: heh veen and i broke apple's facial recognition on the first day it shipped. filed report, crickets. [19:04]
mircea_popescu: iirc a bunch of people made sport of that [19:04]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: point is not that it will work as printed on the box. but that the machine won't log you in unless it sees a passable room with passable face-like object in it. [19:04]
asciilifeform: i.e. camera-is-running [19:04]
asciilifeform: this is part of a slow, planned anal dilation of the luserbase. [19:05]
mircea_popescu: that part is certainly coming. dreamers moving towards their vats as foretold. [19:05]
asciilifeform: ditto voice command crapolade [19:05]
asciilifeform: normalizing always-on-microphone. [19:05]
ben_vulpes: foregoing oblique unlock is going to be hard to jam down the kids throat [19:06]
ben_vulpes: or the ability to hand phone to friends and unlock it [19:06]
ben_vulpes: even having the lock on is pretty uncommon, people go to lengths to turn it off [19:06]
asciilifeform: the face thing is also a step to [19:06]
asciilifeform: '- Where have you been, Dad? You can wait forever. You have to read the text through the polarizer glasses. Without them, all you’ll see is the ads! - What’s that for? - What do you mean, what’s that for? So nobody who hasn’t paid can read the book! Think, I buy a book, and someone who didn’t buy anything could read it over my shoulder…' [19:07]
mircea_popescu: eh if only. [19:08]
mircea_popescu: you keep seeing method to the madness. there's no method. [19:08]
mircea_popescu: the face thing is a step in the direction of argentina : it doesn't work, nobody knows how to fix it and it's not anybodys fault anyway so let's adapt. [19:08]
mircea_popescu: same thing that produced the above microsoft networking paradigm. [19:08]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is method. random js crapolade on some indian www may be monkey throwing shit against a wall. an item like 'amazon alexa' is not. [19:09]
asciilifeform: it was designed, and works. to spec. [19:09]
asciilifeform: a work of evil, but works, to spec. [19:09]
mircea_popescu: same thing that the gyneceum always produces, and i don't give a shit you call it "human resources" or "engineers" or "the stupid bitches in ditch A" [19:09]
mircea_popescu: pfff. [19:09]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu conflates, e.g., nodejs, prb -- vs alexa, ipnoje -- at his peril imho. [19:09]
mircea_popescu: i'm on the record not conflating them, take the recent c/llvm discussion. [19:10]
mircea_popescu: but ars vita, longa brevis or how that went. very little space for actual agency in the wailing crowd. [19:10]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tru! [19:15]
asciilifeform: in my observations there are roughly 2 factions of technocrapolade -- 'microshit': crashes, 'meat-like' malfunctions, shit soup of 'why does this exist', shithubs full of gender-fix-commits, etc and 'crapple' -- ipnoje that worx 100% of the time you push the button, while slowly recording amazon's widgets google's spamless mail and similarly appealing, sweet and carcinogenic nintendos [19:17]
asciilifeform: quite disjoint sets, for the most part. [19:17]
mircea_popescu: such an "ipnoje" does not exist. [19:17]
asciilifeform: wwwtronic idiocies mostly live in the former camp [19:17]
mircea_popescu: the ~only thing that is even vaguely similar to that is the sort of deep-in-the-bowels systems engineering as to my mind best exemplified by the llvm thing and ~nothing else. [19:18]
asciilifeform: recall who pays for llvm, and in what product it is used. [19:18]
mircea_popescu: not airfoil manufacture not electronic countermeasures not special ops not diplomacy, nothing. [19:19]
asciilifeform: airfoil probably still designed on vax. [19:19]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, but this is not unlike saying cow can fly because gut produces methane. [19:19]
mircea_popescu: back at reality once, they managed it ONCE. they can't do it at-will they can't even do it again. it's rather a crapshot than a thing. [19:20]
asciilifeform: which 'it' ? [19:21]
veen: << some display of tone-deaf impotence, that [19:21]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 23:55 asciilifeform: but meanwhile in the monkey cages, >> '“Climate change is not a controversy,” read one sign at yesterday’s “Rally to Stand Up for Science,” which drew hundreds to the historic downtown plaza. ... "We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science, science is the backbone of our prosperity and progress," said Geoffrey Supran, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Univer [19:21]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your idea of "ipnoje" [19:21]
veen: > our scientism has shown these facts to be self-evident! such reasoning is sufficient to affect trajectory of body politic and clown car alike [19:22]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well noshit, they did it once, how many times does what other company create product category from thin air, in which literally every other vendor remains trabant imitator [19:24]
mircea_popescu: are you talking about llvm or about the imaginary market for "Tablets" ? [19:25]
asciilifeform: pocket-thing-with-www-browser, as a class [19:25]
mircea_popescu: this is an entirely spurious novel item in our discussion. [19:25]
asciilifeform: very easy to say for d00d who uses 0 of these and can't even picture why anyone would. [19:26]
mircea_popescu: we were talking about cognitive capability not about "the dutch invented the tulip tradegood and everyone was stuck being immitator -- for a while anyway" [19:26]
asciilifeform: i dunno that anyone has made 'new cognitive capability' since engelbart. [19:28]
mircea_popescu: so -- yes, "someone" had the cognitive capability to but that same someone failed to produce a workable counterpart to the russian jet or any kind of response to the chinese missilization or any sort of coherent narrative for the middle east or even anything past "never happened - if it happened it doesn't matter - if it matters we did it anyway" re russkis turning off the ele [19:29]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 18:20 mircea_popescu: but not just llvm - the whole world exists, and it produces things such as "'Static linking of user binaries is not supported on Mac OS X. Tying user binaries to the internal implementation of Mac OS X libraries and interfaces would limit our ability to update and enhance Mac OS X. Instead, dynamic linking is supported (linking against crt1.o automatically instead of looking for crt0.o, for example). We strongly recommend tha [19:29]
mircea_popescu: ctronics on a cruiser whose only raison d'etre is an imaginary electronics war. [19:29]
mircea_popescu: and the list could go on. [19:29]
mircea_popescu: on the balance of an endless field of failures with one (relatively minor) bright spot, the theory that "the face thing is also a step to" is a little less supported than the theory that " monkey throwing shit against a wall" [19:30]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for this discussion, every inner city black thug who sits down to start his own brothel is (like, say, ) is laying down a new cognitive capacity farm. [19:32]
asciilifeform: only in the cow-is-methane-vendor sense [19:32]
mircea_popescu: whether it'll be enough or not, for what it aims to do or for something else, is an entirely different discussion. but the important point is that man has raeched that sad level of overpopulation where it assembles into meta-creatures. [19:33]
mircea_popescu: much like locusts eventually get too many and swarm, man got too abundant and is now making shambling horrors out of himself. [19:33]
mircea_popescu: as far as these assemblages go, there isn't a substantial difference between the black pimp's hussle&flow and the white cuckold's hussle&flow. neither of them can act substantially and deliberately. gotta pick one. [19:35]
asciilifeform: the 'counter to ru jet' is called '~100% of ru brass own walmart stock and have children at harvacambridgetonyale' [19:36]
asciilifeform: and afaik it continues to work [19:36]
mircea_popescu: failed spectacularly in turkey. [19:36]
asciilifeform: to the point where usg can poison beloved ambassador d00d and 0 risk [19:36]
mircea_popescu: would fail in russia too. [19:36]
mircea_popescu: this is a permanence of politics. the FUCKING POINT of an ambassador is that the barbarians can kill him. [19:36]
mircea_popescu: which is why there's no glory in it, and why the more civilised ancients refrained. [19:36]
asciilifeform: worked great in turkey, they nailed another beloved-ambassador-d00d with 0 push back [19:37]
mircea_popescu: no, don't slide. you were discussing "the 'counter to ru jet' is called '~100% of ru brass own walmart stock and have children at harvacambridgetonyale'". [19:37]
asciilifeform: killing envoys was ~the~ act of war, since, idk, before hammurabi [19:37]
mircea_popescu: failed to work. spectacularly. [19:37]
asciilifeform: colour me thick, how did it fail ? [19:37]
mircea_popescu: most of those schmucks are never going to see the outside of a jail cell. [19:37]
asciilifeform: who, in particular ? [19:38]
asciilifeform: in which jail are they [19:38]
mircea_popescu: you're aware erdogan is still in power, and the "victims" are literally lost. [19:38]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-15 20:05 mircea_popescu: check it out, they even call it us kleptocracy department! apt. [19:38]
asciilifeform: hey even mr.t over here is theoretically still-in-power. [19:39]
mircea_popescu: none of your business in which jail are they. suffice it to be said that they aren't ever coming out. and whoever feels uppity in usg "deep state" is very much next. [19:39]
mircea_popescu: lol. well, by now your position has degraded enough so ima call this good. [19:39]
asciilifeform: so far it looks like ' mircea_popescu: great victory. asciilifeform : where? mircea_popescu : seekrit evidence, noneofyerbiznis' [19:40]
mircea_popescu: mno. by the time you have to resort to "in my village it rains apples, SO THERE!" you can "win", but it'll be all by yourself. [19:40]
mircea_popescu: the only item in power in the us today is trump. this should be abundantly clear, as a minimal qualifying bar for "op is not batshit insane". on the level of perceiving the sunset. [19:41]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in, e.g., erdogan's place, if you 'had won, and Still In Power, and They Will Never Leave Jail', would you secretly stow the defeated in some jail ? or impale on public square, where everyone can see'em ? why not the latter ? [19:41]
mircea_popescu: because the education of imbeciles is not on my budget. [19:41]
mircea_popescu: the impale thing happens when you aim to educate, which is what the display of violence without possibility of recourse is all about. [19:42]
mircea_popescu: if you simply aim to win, there's no marked benefit. [19:42]
asciilifeform: if nothing else, public execution is cheaper than guarding and feeding schmuck for years [19:42]
mircea_popescu: you think ? [19:42]
asciilifeform: and than having to deal with potentially endless stream of incoming idiots [19:43]
mircea_popescu: there's not going to be any stream in turkey. [19:43]
asciilifeform: the chinese shoot in stadiums, with roaring crowds. [19:43]
mircea_popescu: not the tibetansd. [19:43]
asciilifeform: meanwhile we have 454084. [19:46]
asciilifeform: 7 peers. [19:46]
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: [19:49]
deedbot: << Qntra - "Биткоин — это единственная в мире блокчейн" says Russian State Bank [19:58]
asciilifeform: now ~that~'s interesting. [19:58]
BingoBoingo: !~tslb [19:59]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 8 seconds [19:59]
BingoBoingo: ty pete_dushenski [19:59]
asciilifeform: in other noose, [20:02]
asciilifeform: ^ if you see yourself on this list , know ! [20:03]
BingoBoingo: !~tslb [20:12]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data. [20:12]
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats [20:15]
veen: BingoBoingo: [20:15]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: None | Current Difficulty: {"difficulty":440779902286.5892} | Next Difficulty At Block: None | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [20:16]
ben_vulpes: interesting, my irc client is not receiving [20:18]
ben_vulpes: earlier i saw 3 lines from trinque hit all at once. [20:18]
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: de nada [20:40]
* pete_dushenski checks sadnodes list, doesn't see own nodes [20:41]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: qntra comment replied [20:41]
* pete_dushenski to hit some e-notes (the music kind) [20:51]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, seems to claim that ru let city of new york autopsy churkin ! [21:16]
asciilifeform: and then went on to 'it will take two weeks' [21:16]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, << google spider . now attempts to connect to trb nodez. [21:59]
asciilifeform: on 8333, speaking prbish. [21:59]
asciilifeform: in other comedies, [22:19]
mod6: evening! [22:20]
asciilifeform: hey mod6 [22:20]
mod6: Finally caught up here... [22:20]
mod6: <+asciilifeform> << ok, thx! [22:20]
mod6: sounds like your nodes are stablizing and getting blocks, have connected peers. [22:20]
asciilifeform: mod6: dulap (with the new snip) is actually beating zoolag [22:21]
mod6: ok cool. [22:21]
mod6: im gonna build in your patch and deploy. see how it goes, thank you for your submission to the ML. [22:22]
asciilifeform: don't. yet. [22:22]
mod6: ok, fair enough, just gonna keep an eye on it a bit longer then? [22:24]
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS: [22:29]
asciilifeform: [22:29]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6 , ben_vulpes , et al ^ [22:29]
asciilifeform: i can't fucking believe that nobody caught this. [22:30]
asciilifeform: sometimes i wonder whether anybody is even awake. [22:31]
trinque: in point of fact, I did bother to grep for ping. [22:35]
trinque: there's another mention in main.cpp [22:36]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people have a little longer pipelines than THREE HOURS you. [22:36]
ben_vulpes: rather rude litte gnome isn't it. [22:46]
* mod6 looks [22:47]
mircea_popescu: he gets overexcited and oversignals. [22:47]
ben_vulpes: he? [22:47]
mircea_popescu: lol did we mangle antecedents ? [22:47]
ben_vulpes: i'm talking about that funky github repo. [22:48]
* mircea_popescu can't summon teh interest. [22:48]
ben_vulpes: [22:49]
trinque: just funkenstein virtue signaling while he pilfers [22:49]
mircea_popescu: eh whatevers. [22:50]
mircea_popescu: i'm sure about half the locker rooms in all highschools in history contained picture of most accomplished slut/jock in the class with words scribbled on it. [22:51]
ben_vulpes: anyways, asciilifeform my queue is rather deep, working with mod6 on a thing [22:52]
mod6: many thanks, Mr. Vulpes. [22:54]
mod6: asciilifeform: sig verifies. ima build this one, unless you want me to hold off still. [22:56]
BingoBoingo: Thank you alf for your impatience, its contribution is very appreciated [22:59]
mod6: [nao building with v 99994A1 asciilifeform_goodbye_pingers_fixed.vpatch] [23:00]
mircea_popescu: k3k [23:00]
mircea_popescu: lol a1 [23:09]
mod6: :] for flavor. [23:10]
asciilifeform: mod6: pretty sure this is it [23:10]
asciilifeform: this one, lel, no longer bans trb nodes... [23:11]
asciilifeform: (or rather, no longer emits pings. trb nodes emitting pings -- still banhammered) [23:12]
mod6: aha. werd. [23:13]
asciilifeform: quite possibly this experiment was misguided [23:17]
asciilifeform: what, i am suspecting, i oughta have done, is to banhammer strictly those nodes who ~pong back~ [23:17]
asciilifeform: because as it is, trb nodes (such as zoolag) are getting the hammer. [23:18]
asciilifeform: the folx i was trying to kill, are those who ~sit idle and hog the socket~ while waiting for a pong that never comes. [23:18]
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you're doing this skidding thing anyway, not like there's some sort of emergency. [23:19]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i grow very tired of 'blackhole' [23:19]
mircea_popescu: yes but. [23:19]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every so often, i actually need to send a tx. and grow very, very irritated if for whatever reason at all, i cannot. [23:20]
mod6: hm. It ~is~ annoying. No gigantic rush. [23:20]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider it one of the many benefits of single-node "man and his fortress" outlook. [23:21]
asciilifeform: in point of fact i have 2 [23:21]
mircea_popescu: it's a p2p network, which means it's lossy, shitty and etc. [23:21]
asciilifeform: but sure. [23:21]
mircea_popescu: yes, but i tihnk you get my point. [23:21]
asciilifeform: eh i i had 22, or 222, i'd simply have a different reason (tx propagation fail) to be ragin [23:22]
asciilifeform: *raging [23:22]
mircea_popescu: anyway, it may be worth the contemplation to consider that bitcoin is the specific sort of thing you'd never have actually made specifically because its strengths are the sort of things you personally hate. [23:22]
asciilifeform: ok nao i'm curious, how's that [23:22]
asciilifeform: ? [23:22]
mircea_popescu: take this "send tx" "well bro... there's no guarantees" item. [23:23]
mircea_popescu: "wtf anti-civilised non-engineered process is this then!" "words are given man to hide his thoughts, bro" [23:23]
asciilifeform: there is a palpable difference between 'hey bro this is usenet and no guarantees' and 'hey bro this is crack den and i'ma take yer mail and flush it down the shitter, no guarantees' imho [23:24]
mircea_popescu: perhaps. but the CORRECT cut in there is a very high paygrade item. [23:24]
mircea_popescu: which is what i meant re contemplation. not the sort of problem you usually enjoy, ergo not the sort of system you'd of your own choice make. [23:25]
asciilifeform: i don't 'zoologically' despise noisy channels. [23:27]
asciilifeform: i despise unquantifiably-noisy. [23:27]
asciilifeform: because it can easily mean 'toilet' without any possibility of knowing so. [23:27]
mircea_popescu: but the unquantifiable part is exactly the strength. [23:27]
mircea_popescu: yes. [23:27]
asciilifeform: unquantifiable engineering belongs in crack den. [23:27]
mircea_popescu: depends. consider the problem of the jungle. [23:28]
mircea_popescu: the jungle is a shitty forest no civilised man would wish to live in [23:28]
mircea_popescu: except, of course, if fighting another civilised man. [23:28]
asciilifeform: swamp probably better example [23:29]
asciilifeform: but sure. [23:29]
mircea_popescu: we got more than its weight in gold, to date, from the happenstance that bitcoin is made of ~pure shit. [23:29]
asciilifeform: i remain unconvinced [23:29]
mircea_popescu: specifically because the llvm heads discussed earlier apparently don't get very far. [23:29]
mircea_popescu: moreover, it was historically trivial to predict their predicaments and ambush. [23:30]
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not trying to persuade, i am merely stating the possibility. [23:30]
asciilifeform: x11, or gcc, etc are easily 1000x the volume of shit. and successfully llvm'd. [23:30]
asciilifeform: because it is a problem that succumbs to brute labour. [23:30]
mircea_popescu: specifically because it was contrived. the gcc shit is a conceit, not real shit. [23:30]
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit upstack: in case this was unclear to anyone: goodbye-pingers ~breaks connectivity with stock trb~ and ought to be considered experimental/dangerous . it is not yet clear to me that the pill is an improvement over the disease. [23:32]
mircea_popescu: not without it being complete (ie, also stop pinging). [23:32]
asciilifeform: well the -revised ver. is. [23:32]
asciilifeform: but even so. [23:32]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [23:33]
asciilifeform: i am rather surprised, i admit, that dulap is speaking to ~anyone~ [23:33]
mircea_popescu: a little bit of power rangering of your own hm ? [23:33]
asciilifeform: yet is is nearly synced [23:33]
mircea_popescu: some blocks get through in the brief interval. [23:33]
asciilifeform: not at all this. [23:33]
mircea_popescu: that's the moral here : just how resilient the shit is. amorphous therefore eternal. [23:33]
asciilifeform: pingers are banned immediately [23:33]
asciilifeform: none get anything through. [23:33]
mircea_popescu: well, once they ping [23:33]
asciilifeform: 454120 atm. [23:34]
asciilifeform: (and digesting a block as we speak) [23:34]
asciilifeform: 6 behind, e.g., bci. [23:34]
asciilifeform: to clarify: dulap is running the revised patch. [23:34]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was marked (EXPERIMENTAL) for a reason!!11 [23:35]
mircea_popescu: you know, they usually do some statement of what's being experimented when they do an experiment. [23:35]
asciilifeform: had link to mircea_popescu in l0gz! [23:35]
mircea_popescu: so it did :) [23:36]
mircea_popescu: "this is an experiment to establish the density of water. we will be using a densometer to measure it, expect to see values in so and so range, for so and so reasons" etc. [23:36]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1454...5509 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( CH) [23:36]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1758...8439 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( CH) [23:36]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like to leave dulap as it is , to see how this change affects blackhole, but it does carry some of the 'trucks of britain' problem (as described by mircea_popescu article -- 'trucks over 5 tonnes will experimentally drive on left side of road first!11') [23:37]
mircea_popescu: experiment = 1. statement of phenomena being observed 2. description of experimental set-up and measuring tools 3. explanation of working theory and 4. statements of fact that stand to be falsified. all 4. [23:38]
asciilifeform: 1. 'blackhole.' 2. tcpdump on two blackholed trb nodes. multitude of peers emitting 'ping, ping, ping...' and soaking up sockets. 3. hypothesis: killing socket hoggers will dissolve blackhole. 4. 'socket-hogging prb is responsible for blackhole condition' [23:39]
mircea_popescu: yes but this is supposed to be done prior not ex post facto. [23:40]
asciilifeform: (4) is unfortunately ultimately rubbish, it is really the single-threaded, polled socket handler of trb that is ultimately morally responsible. [23:40]
mircea_popescu: there is that. [23:40]
asciilifeform: but the option of removing it is not on the table. [23:40]
asciilifeform: it is quite equivalent to scrapping the whole thing. [23:40]
asciilifeform: (it'd require, absolutely, removing the locks. which ~unquantifiably alters the semantics of the entire thing.) [23:43]
mircea_popescu: btw, trump actually gave state to petraeus, at least on the declarative front. [23:55]
mircea_popescu: lulz of ALL FUCKING TIME. [23:55]
asciilifeform: l0l!! [23:56]
mircea_popescu: that's such an epic dead cat to hold over the libertards lmao [23:56]
mircea_popescu: "hey, guess who wants to spitroast you all ? i... could put him in charge you know." [23:56]
mircea_popescu: "and it'll piss a little on the courts too. seems like a great move. are you ready to suck the cock yet ?" [23:57]
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