Forum logs for 19 Jan 2019
| mircea_popescu: | aaand in wtf lulz, http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-13-jan-2019#2510194 item died again, same exact details, same exact item, jan 15th (ie, it ran for ~day). ima finally get my ass into gear and debug-run it. | [08:50] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-01-14 03:53 mircea_popescu: in other arcana : i have here a copy of trb that has died a mysterious death on dec 31st. the process itself hasn't returned, ps aux lists it as expected, however the last time it touched any files was two weeks ago, nor does a call to getinfo ever return. | [08:50] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: sounds potentially interesting. ( if you publish outputs, plox to not forget to say what pressing that trb was made from ) | [11:46] |
| asciilifeform: | in other noose, all temps on uy1 in-range. | [11:47] |
| BingoBoingo: | ty | [12:04] |
| asciilifeform: | briefly revisiting the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-18#1888182 find : 'CONFIG_RETPOLINE=n' yields a working kernel (with gcc 4.x), for nao. | [12:56] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-01-18 02:37 asciilifeform: in other noose, Official mainline linux kernel nao infected with gcc7ism : https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/patch/1022874/ | [12:56] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and before anyone loses appetite, this experiment was on a test box in torture room, not in pizarro ) | [12:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | that "trampoline" bs is so fucking retarded... | [13:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | really, "infinite non-returning loop" to prevent intel shitware from "speculating" ? | [13:11] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i dug, and , unsurprisingly, a google production | [13:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | gimme a break. | [13:11] |
| * asciilifeform | takes the occasion to observe that ffa is 'speculation'-proof, not only in theory but as empirically tested on 7 ( & counting ) intel boxen of various vintages | [13:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | leaving aside how it doesn't even fucking work. | [13:13] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: what would it mean for the kludge to 'work' ? it aint as if x86 actually offers process isolation. | [13:13] |
| asciilifeform: | it 'works' in the same way as other 'nobus-maintenance' kludges (e.g. koch's 2016 patch) 'work' -- raise bar so that nobus | [13:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | not ffa the "lfence" bs i mean. | [13:15] |
| asciilifeform: | yea i get | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform turn off intel\s "helpful" bs ? | [13:16] |
| asciilifeform: | it dun have an off switch tho | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | rather than "turn it off 78% of tyhe time or so" ? | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | it'd still what it'd mean for it to work. | [13:16] |
| asciilifeform: | rright, but to get any actual effect would have to also offer offswitch for 9000 other idjit 'optimizations' | [13:16] |
| asciilifeform: | (i.e. kludges introduced so that winblowz will run in slightly less geological time, 1990s-current) | [13:17] |
| asciilifeform: | errything from tlb cache to branch diddling to 'hyperthread' to 'register-renaming' to... etc | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's high time for an actually functional cpu. | [13:18] |
| asciilifeform: | naggum's http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-85.0-85.510 thing dun merely apply to c. it applies just same to the 'progress' of intel shitirons. | [13:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ very much apropos all this "knowledge". | [13:19] |
| asciilifeform: | it appears 'fast' cuz fulla various 'and now we can cut THIS corner' crapola. | [13:19] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: it's been high-time for many many yrs. | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | the retardation of intel was quite clear even when 386 was being pushed. | [13:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess so. | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: observe that all of the various Official 'speculative leak' kludges, ~even supposing they worked 100% of time~, only apply to ~kernel~ -- they do 0 to prevent 'ring3' (luserland) processes from leaking | [13:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | haha, what, you compile with the same ~special, purpose made~ gcc flag!!! | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | fucking hell this bs, srsly, gcc now comes with a kernel-specific purpose flag ? | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | what the fuck happened to all the foss pretense! | [13:26] |
| asciilifeform: | whole thrust is to 'nobus-maintain' the scenario where you buy 5 cpu-minutes on lullazon's cluster and get root. rather than to keep neighbouring lullazon-hruscheba tenants from fucking one another | [13:26] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: it's a google-submitted patch, and it got eaten by the new, 'improved' torvalds, near as i can tell | [13:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | im talking of gcc. | [13:27] |
| asciilifeform: | aa | [13:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | nobody gives a shit about "linux kernel", or coc-linux altogether. | [13:28] |
| asciilifeform: | on ~that~ end, the human mushroom looong ago opened the gates. | [13:28] |
| asciilifeform: | Official gcc is , didja know, up to version ~8~ nao. and packed fulla 'beautiful surprises', this is by no means the only 1. | [13:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | useless turdheads, what fucking torvalds. | [13:33] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: his last , near as i can tell, act as a human, was to try & keep this liquishit out of his signed kernel tree. for which he was 'retired'. | [13:34] |
| asciilifeform: | nao it's a google et al. kernel. | [13:35] |
| asciilifeform: | as for gcc, the mushroom let it go in mid-2000s, moar or less. | [13:35] |
| asciilifeform: | the gcc5+ gnomes, occupy selves with cranking out 'mandatory' kludges for intelism removing backend support for vintage, marginally-sane archs (alpha, hitachi, etc) gluing-with-broken-glass various incompatibilities to prevent coad developed under 5+ from building under 4.x inserting 'optimizations' that snake around naive cprogrammer attempts at bounds-constraint and so forth. | [13:41] |
| asciilifeform: | quite likely they have an eventual capitulation to llvm ( and 'unification of the churches'(tm) ) planned as well, but i have nfi what's the holdup there | [13:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile @reddit, https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackWorldOrder/comments/6b6l12/what_can_i_as_a_pussyfree_virgin_whiteboi_do_to/ | [13:43] |
| asciilifeform: | 'lock my clit' ?! | [13:44] |
| asciilifeform: | wtf's that mean in context of (what is evidently a) trans-whatever ? | [13:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | i expect something in the vein of https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQp94hcW0AAwFYQ.jpg | [13:48] |
| asciilifeform: | lol that's a , didjaknow, standard usa mains current meter seal. | [13:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | what is ?! | [13:49] |
| asciilifeform: | the item on left hand of photo. | [13:49] |
| asciilifeform: | holding the cock gasket in place | [13:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | haha really ? | [13:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | i imagine they're just cheap. | [13:49] |
| asciilifeform: | in ye olde sovok they used pb seals on iron wire, stamped with signet but in usa pb is envirowhiner-verboten, ergo plastic | [13:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | very strong undercurrent of cheapness in the usovok these days. | [13:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, there's a large twitter subculture of this whole thing. all the way to https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxEsy1TWkAEoGgZ.jpg | [13:50] |
| * asciilifeform | believes | [13:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | kinda funny tho, mexicans gotta do the plumbing, blacks gotta do the fucking, women gotta do the erections... it's just a lotta work for erryone else. | [13:51] |
| asciilifeform: | !#s szabo seals | [13:51] |
| a111: | 4 results for "szabo seals", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=szabo%20seals | [13:51] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ see also re subj. | [13:52] |
| asciilifeform: | little plastic padlock, comes in crates of 9000 , with consecutive stamped #s. ( not only quite simple to forge, but jimmies with ordinary hairpin, like 19th c. handcuffs , and snaps closed again... ) | [13:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | i wonder if they know this. | [13:53] |
| asciilifeform: | whoknows. but given the existence of the masochist folx, not much of a leap to picture the existence also of 'double agent' masochist, who takes delight in seekritly jimmying the cock seal, etc | [13:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | hahaha | [13:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | posers abound, eh ? | [13:56] |
| asciilifeform: | stands to reason there would be 'fractal posers', on 9000 levels of magnification. | [13:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is true. | [13:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in sad lulz, https://www.blacktowhite.net/threads/moving-away-from-cuckold-into-stag-vixen.146933/ ("Are people moving away? I'm noticing a shift in ads, profiles and websites that I browse. No one is really looking for a cuckold thing anymore. I got enthralled with the cuckold fantasy and I would love to meet a couple that was for it. But Cuckolds couples are hard to find. Couples, single females are easier but as | [14:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | far as cuckold itself, it seems to be more niche than it was say 5 years ago. Why is that? I'm seeing this stag/vixen thing being mentioned a lot more when I read websites. I didn't even know that was a thing?"). | [14:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | who knew nobody gives a shit!!11 | [14:25] |
| BingoBoingo: | In other vitage trilema: http://trilema.com/2013/whats-a-sperglord/ A certain Sperglord's tardstalk account has indeed been active since sperging out in 2012-13 | [16:08] |
| BingoBoingo: | https://archive.is/GP3c8 | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao what! | [17:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | right to forgetfulness!!! | [17:40] |
| BingoBoingo: | Hard to tell if the account was sold or traded, but the contrast between hardware entrepreneur in his mind to almost-Pinoy type posts is lulzy | [17:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | lotta sold accounts on tardstalk anyways. | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | usual fate of these things, degenerate in a festival of cucks cucking cucks, usg.fbi style. | [17:45] |
| BingoBoingo: | Indeed, but with the low volume of new posts it is a very cucky cuck transition indeed. | [17:45] |
| asciilifeform: | lol i had nfi tardstalk were still around | [17:46] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: It's a USG target, why would they let the thing go dark and die when they can low effort collect still more noise in the undeadening venue | [17:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | ^ | [17:48] |
| asciilifeform: | dunno, cuz collects 100% garbage ? ( tho admittedly this never stopped'em before.. ) | [17:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | what is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880409 , bona fide terrorist ? | [17:48] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-12-12 22:15 feedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/fbi-entraps-young-woman-into-terrorism-charges-by-becoming-her-entire-social-circle/ << Qntra -- FBI Entraps Young Woman Into Terrorism Charges By Becoming Her Entire Social Circle | [17:48] |
| asciilifeform: | !#s death ray | [17:49] |
| a111: | 102 results for "death ray", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=death%20ray | [17:49] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ see also | [17:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | garbage collects garbage, yes, like you collect protein. what's to be expected ? | [17:49] |
| BingoBoingo: | <asciilifeform> dunno, cuz collects 100% garbage ? ( tho admittedly this never stopped'em before.. ) << If the USG didn't collect garbage for the sake of collecting garbage how else do you explain the Amazing Java Girl dying in Syria? | [17:51] |
| BingoBoingo: | Or the fact the only people doing the garbage recollection business in USistan with anything approaching the Uruguayo intensity are 'law enforcers' | [17:52] |
| asciilifeform: | 'pleez sir buy this very fine islamic death ray , only 0.1 btc' | [17:54] |
| asciilifeform: | if not today then tomorrow, verily | [17:54] |
| * asciilifeform | admits : was never able to stomach reading tardstalk with any regularity, cuz it ALWAYS read like this, from birth | [17:55] |
| BingoBoingo: | For a while watching hanbot beat the tards was fun until the quality of surviving tard dropped too low | [17:56] |
| asciilifeform: | imho that was the 1st and last readable item there | [17:56] |
| asciilifeform: | kinda like in late '90s asciilifeform read sci.physics just to watch al schwartz trash idjits | [17:57] |
| asciilifeform: | when he ran outta juice for that, i quit reading, there was literally 0 else worth even passing look | [17:57] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: it's a crying shame they didn't send ~all~ the 'java gurlz' to syria, to use for sandbags. | [18:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | Well Orange Man is supposed to give a speech sometime today. Maybe it'll be the orders to deploy them as southern border sandbags to fight Sinaloa/Zeta/Etc | [18:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo there's this theory that if you keep beating them eventually they transcend but empirically it turned out you're exactly right, if you beat clay you don't get man, you get silt, ie, finer clay. | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | also, watching the http://trilema.com/2017/color-revolutions-green-or-today-in-usg-corruption-careerism-cronyism-and-malfeasance-in-the-special-warfare-center/ crowd fight short angry machete-equipped latinos would really rock. | [18:52] |
| BingoBoingo: | Well, there's the possibility of that happening in Venezuala though "Greatest Ally Israel" doesn't neighbor Venezuala and therefore need forever war | [18:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | Meanwhile in other fallout from the new penal code: https://www.reddit.com/r/uruguay/comments/ahax04/se_cans%C3%B3_de_esperar_en_banifox_y_se_rob%C3%B3_una_play/ | [21:24] |
| BingoBoingo: | Meanwhile there is a story floating around that Wikipedo does not load in Vzla after some stunt changing the President according to wikipedia to an opposition leader. At the same time girl on the ground in Vzla reports that wikipedo does indeed load. | [22:04] |
| BingoBoingo: | The anglophone press is saying sophisticated SSL fuckery is involved in the block rather than the usual DNS shennanigans | [22:09] |
| BingoBoingo: | I suspect USG.NSA.JAVAGURLZ is auditioning for sandbag duty | [22:10] |
| BingoBoingo: | And that aircraft carrier mght be sinking sooner rather than later | [22:19] |
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