Forum logs for 18 Nov 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
BingoBoingo: !~step 10 [00:47]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: "step" is not a valid command. [00:47]
BingoBoingo: !~step10 [00:47]
jhvh1: 10. Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it. [00:47]
BingoBoingo: ^Also after a while some people start forgetting to do this [00:47]
vvande: worth working on [00:54]
vvande: most people never learn that anyway, AA or not [00:54]
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: [01:47]
ben_vulpes: amusing: [02:08]
ben_vulpes: (linked in [02:08]
ben_vulpes: !!up the_scourge planning to do something about all the reconnects? [03:39]
deedbot: the_scourge voiced for 30 minutes. [03:39]
deedbot: << CH - How to (Actually) Process Bitcoin Transactions [03:39]
jurov: orly. i haven't seen ben_vulpes actually process something since VAN :) [03:49]
jurov: just my pet peeve that the most opinionated folks (see: alf) aren't actually seen to do it in practice [03:50]
jurov: i just threw my hands in disgust and use electrum. negrate as you wish. [03:50]
Framedragger: "Peace in our time, shitgnomes" is an excellent salute, tho [06:28]
mircea_popescu: jurov what's electrum do again ? [06:33]
mircea_popescu: perhaps a better question would be "when didn't you run electrum", but let's jointly pretend. [06:34]
Framedragger: in unrelated news, check out all the current TLDs lol: ".afamilycompany" aww [06:36]
mircea_popescu: did they still charge 1mn a pop for those ? [06:39]
Framedragger: 100k a pop iirc [06:39]
mircea_popescu: ("but mp, 50 btc is too much for a seat at exchange 1500 btc is just fine for... a tld, whatever that is!") [06:39]
mircea_popescu: ah. they go the other way, fiat corp. i forgot. [06:40]
Framedragger: :) [06:40]
mircea_popescu: to save my own pain in the future, ban syntax is /mode #trilema +b nick!other-nic@domain there's no regexp available except for the windows-* and domain identification is unreliable (may be IP, may be reverse dns on that IP, may be etc.) [06:43]
trinque: o I got called out to write up runit did I? [06:50]
* trinque makes coffee [06:53]
mircea_popescu: wait what ? [06:59]
trinque: << [07:01]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 08:39 deedbot: << CH - How to (Actually) Process Bitcoin Transactions [07:01]
mircea_popescu: lol [07:01]
mircea_popescu: read more like "i'm not smart enough for this one, try next door" to me :) [07:01]
trinque: lel [07:02]
mircea_popescu: in other useful backholes, [07:15]
jurov: what does electrum do? enables one to accept payments without having "mismatched amounts are kept" sinkhole in the foyer, which ben_vulpes seem to be too fond of. [07:27]
jurov: and i'd congratulate to 1500 btc mpex seats, as long as someone is actually seen paying :) [07:30]
Framedragger: [07:43]
Framedragger: "Within 5 minutes, it was compromised by the Mirai botnet/worm" [07:43]
mircea_popescu: jurov the problem is one of optics. you have not "seen paying" anyone for .achristianfamily either, but you credit the empire and discredit the republic for reasons we're invited to not misrepresent as misplaced loyalties, i guess. similarly with electrum - yes, for as long as you stick to the credit empire discredit republic mindset, it "enables" you. [07:53]
mircea_popescu: but to my eyes, even the idea of putting enables and you in the saem sentence with the thing denues some sort of thinking problem. really, you think electrum enables YOU ? [07:53]
mircea_popescu: and it disables who, usg ? not the other way around ? becauyse why, it's not seen happening (especially if you carefully don't look) ? [07:54]
mircea_popescu: this is no good, what can i tell you. you're more than welcome to use it as your own software, but it's braindamage and it ain't convincing me. [07:54]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger lulzy. i expect more than half the gear sold to lusers is being currently used by republican interest, so there is that. [07:59]
mircea_popescu: and in other news - archeries! [08:13]
mircea_popescu: (it's a pun. in french.) [08:13]
asciilifeform: << funnily enough, at this very moment i'm writing a proggy... [10:07]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 08:50 jurov: just my pet peeve that the most opinionated folks (see: alf) aren't actually seen to do it in practice [10:07]
asciilifeform: but even supposing i lived whole life without ever again eating a btc -- does nit change the fact that 'electrum' is essentially a webwallet [10:09]
asciilifeform: << it's a webwallet where , theoretically, 'anyone' can set up a mirror (just need prb and buncha other heathen soft) [10:10]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 11:33 mircea_popescu: jurov what's electrum do again ? [10:10]
asciilifeform: << what does it do with 'mismatched amounts' jurov? tx them back at YOUR EXPENSE?? [10:12]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 12:27 jurov: what does electrum do? enables one to accept payments without having "mismatched amounts are kept" sinkhole in the foyer, which ben_vulpes seem to be too fond of. [10:12]
asciilifeform: (who pays tx fee?) [10:12]
jurov: crediting them to clients' account is not an option? how so? [10:13]
asciilifeform: what's to stop me from draining your wallet by sending 10,000,000,001 'mismatched tx' that you pay 0.001 each to send back ? [10:13]
asciilifeform: account?! [10:13]
asciilifeform: what account [10:13]
asciilifeform: say you run, e.g., bbet [10:14]
mircea_popescu: but you wouldn't. [10:14]
mircea_popescu: gotta kyc in case the fat tard over at the us park administration gets tired of asking for special booth at burning man and wants to peruse pics of subtards licking fish through a screen of milk, gotta have the pics ready for him!!11 [10:15]
asciilifeform: lul [10:16]
jurov: who said anything about kyc? [10:16]
asciilifeform: 'i use some heathen dope's central server' did. [10:16]
jurov: some gpg key appears, sends you some amount, you now have keyid, amount in database [10:16]
jurov: how do you decentralize this? [10:17]
mircea_popescu: jurov what's the difference between "kyc" and "account" in this application ? [10:17]
jurov: well, i'd be glad to get rid of account, if you solved the problem, i'm all ears! [10:17]
asciilifeform: and what's exactly the diff between 'bitcoin via external heathentronic mtgox' and paypal? [10:17]
asciilifeform: what problem [10:18]
asciilifeform: if someone pays me by dropping gold coins from airplane into my back yard, am i expected to give exact change? with what, cannon? [10:19]
jurov: you are saying that by keeping accounts i empower usg or something? [10:19]
jurov: what change???? [10:19]
mircea_popescu: yes, i am saying that by keeping accounts you are empowering usg. [10:19]
asciilifeform: 'mismatched amounts' jurov [10:19]
asciilifeform: or am into understand that 'taking payment via dropped gold is Wrong, keep accounts, with names!' [10:20]
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is an unidirectional payment mechanism for a fucking reason, after all. [10:20]
asciilifeform: *i to understand [10:20]
jurov: of course unidirectional. you want to withdraw back, you pay the fee. i still don't see what's your problem [10:21]
mircea_popescu: there's no way to have "equality" and not have ALL THE IMPLICATIONS of equality. which yes include "consumers" and "modern democracy" and hillary fucking clinton's aides. [10:21]
jurov: equality dones not come into this [10:21]
asciilifeform: jurov: which 'you' pays the fee? say i tell you 'i sent coin by mistake , i want it back'. how do you know i tell truth? and which coin ? [10:22]
mircea_popescu: jurov either there's an injective payment function, in which case you have strictly yes-no payments, either get it right or it didn't happen or else you can have a bijective payment function, in which case you can have solutions to the "problems" you propose. [10:22]
mircea_popescu: except for the part they're completely imaginary, and only pushed by the sort of people who want a bijective payment function to import the whole rest of equality's fruits, all is well. [10:23]
jurov: "get it right or it didn't happen" can work only for perfectly spherical people [10:25]
mircea_popescu: tough. [10:25]
asciilifeform: jurov doesn't wanna fly a mig does he [10:25]
mircea_popescu: i would rather have an world bereft of any life on it than have more of the current crap. [10:25]
asciilifeform: here also 'get it right or else' [10:25]
jurov: yes, i know. and you will eventually have. [10:25]
* mircea_popescu drinks to that. [10:25]
trinque: oh my god teh drama, jurov [10:25]
trinque: it's that hard to get an integer right? [10:25]
mircea_popescu: trinque it is actually impossible, for the consumer market. which is the point. [10:26]
* trinque will drink with mp [10:26]
asciilifeform: trinque: he seems to take issue with basic principle of 'cold equations ' [10:26]
mircea_popescu: and the strangest part being, that he expects we'll be upset with him for it. as if you know, they're there because i was bored one evening and came up with some arbitrary dumb shit. [10:26]
jurov: you say it helps usg, how's that not being upset? [10:27]
jurov: i even saw loyalty mentioned [10:27]
mircea_popescu: you know what misplaced loyalty means in english ? [10:28]
asciilifeform: jurov: it is statement of fact. keeping account records helps inquisitor and nobody else. [10:28]
jurov: so, i'm asking, what do i do? close coinbr, wipe the evil accounts and we'll celebrate this inimitable tmsr victory? [10:29]
mircea_popescu: you dun gotta do anything. what's you knoiw, what you do to do with right an' proper ? [10:30]
mircea_popescu: we're even contemplating making a proper gns to be fed through dns pipe, much to alf's chagrin. [10:30]
mircea_popescu: still doesn't make dns not idiotic. [10:30]
jurov: and electrum is idiotic evil, yes. still. [10:32]
asciilifeform: it's a mtgox [10:32]
mircea_popescu: for as long as it doesn't take itself seriously i dun see the problem with it. [10:33]
asciilifeform: i did not think that the down-side of using a mtgox still needed explanation [10:33]
mircea_popescu: but the most informative part of this is - nobody seems to seriously dispute the obvious problem that "the btc address is 30 symbols long - what if i get one wrong ?!" yet even with that much accepted of the fundamental principle of republican money, ie, injective payment function - the obvious extension to sum is ... not so obvious. "oh what if i get one of 8 digits wrong ?" "i dunno dude... same as if you got 4 symbols wr [10:36]
mircea_popescu: ong in the address amirite ?" [10:36]
mircea_popescu: !~calc 2**160 / 8**10 [10:36]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2**160 / 8**10 = 1.3611294676837539E39 [10:36]
asciilifeform: 'this pistol is dangerous, what if i accidentally put barrel in my own mouth instead of point at enemy' [10:37]
mircea_popescu: somehow getting right a space 10^40 larger is an acceptable expectation. [10:37]
mircea_popescu: how does this logic work ? [10:37]
jurov: it has checksum :) [10:37]
mircea_popescu: oh i see :D [10:37]
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be better if we had accounts though ? [10:38]
mircea_popescu: then people could verify identity to paypal with a nicely chosen mare's face and get paid! [10:38]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and rsa key can be whole kbyte long! ohnoez, what if bit flips!!1 [10:39]
mircea_popescu: jurov you realise the whole checksum is actually smaller in informatic terms than the single digit error in btc sum yes ? [10:40]
jurov: so? any fault detection is better than nothing. [10:42]
mircea_popescu: no argument there. [10:42]
trinque: << conversely, the world may come to be devoid of human life if no one can be found with enough neocortex to stop himself and slowly read *a fucking number!!* [10:48]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 15:25 mircea_popescu: i would rather have an world bereft of any life on it than have more of the current crap. [10:48]
trinque: notwithstanding any sad degenerate forms of once homo sapiens [10:49]
asciilifeform: ( in the fishwraps: << nsa owns (part of) a manhattan skyscraper 'nsa vans' are real buncha details . ) [10:50]
mircea_popescu: trinque i put up a fiverr offer detailing modelling work for eulora. i got a bunch of responses, including "Hi I can regge". and such. [10:51]
mircea_popescu: there's no words to truly describe whats out there. [10:51]
asciilifeform: is there a fivethousandr ? [10:51]
asciilifeform: what kind of responses there ? [10:52]
mircea_popescu: no, see, that's the problem - the mantra is make things EASY. [10:52]
mircea_popescu: that site incidentally is entirely constructed on stupid. the likeliness of their advertising open work orders (called "requests") is inverse to... the number of already present offers. counted. as such. except obviously the posts are mostly spam. [10:53]
mircea_popescu: they delete your message box, aggressively. like - less than weekly. INCLUDING "starred" messages, because hey, UX, user-friendly etc does NOT include the needs of non-mentally-amoeba, or their expectations. you're more than welcome to take your interface expectation of "system will not delete what i starred" and shove it - the expectations that matter are "uuuu shinyyyy" [10:54]
mircea_popescu: in between the deluge of spam and the enforced, deliberately, impossiblity of memory, you get... well you get "hi i can regge" basically. [10:55]
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo [10:55]
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded. [10:55]
mircea_popescu: or the people answering us electoral polls, whatever. [10:55]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i don't know just how interested you are to find inexpensive modellers etc, but just fyi may produce...better results. (but yeah, not for five bux.) [11:21]
Framedragger: if it was mostly entomological though, then not relevant i guess. [11:21]
mircea_popescu: it wasn't for any specific bux amount, this. [11:21]
Framedragger: ah, ok [11:22]
mircea_popescu: some guy asked for 500. his avatar was a (bad) section of a civil engineering project in cad and he assured me that he has experience and can build any housing to my specification. [11:22]
mircea_popescu: because they won't as much as fucking read the text, you understand, and then come back with "what is the problem friend". [11:22]
Framedragger: wow [11:22]
mircea_popescu: accounts won't fix that. in fact, ENTERTAINING the stupidity, to any degree, is not only not fixing it, but outright causing it. [11:23]
Framedragger: that sounds like a ridiculously hopeless platform / social 'network' [11:23]
mircea_popescu: just like anything but a basebat whack to the crying kid is a bad move. and certainyl giving him sugar packets for crying is not any sort of solution. [11:23]
Framedragger: folks have had much better experiences with peopleperhour, just fyi [11:23]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there's a reason the web keeps right on failing. [11:23]
Framedragger: i don't want to argue regarding the general structural hopelessness of the web because you will win that argument / i agree with you :) [11:24]
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's even a blenderartists thing, which supposedly is actually good. [11:24]
Framedragger: heh, maybe the "confusing blender UI [at first, anyway]" filter is a filter after all :P [11:24]
mircea_popescu: doing this as such is slated, for a little later. but since i was on fiverr anyway from the article, well... [11:25]
mircea_popescu: there was an episode but i think from before your time when i even tried to support blender. it blew up spectacularily. [11:26]
Framedragger: hah. [11:26]
Framedragger: :/ [11:26]
mircea_popescu: is there a peoplebyresults btw ? [11:29]
* mircea_popescu is not terribly keen on this "by the hour" thing, it gives the wrong incentives. [11:30]
Framedragger: well, to be fair, 1) the system shows people's portfolios and reviews etc, and 2) you can set a project price, the whole 'hourly billing' is only one of the options [11:30]
Framedragger: but i hear ya i don't know. [11:31]
mircea_popescu: we were also going to have a republican this, so all my expenditure would be used reflectively to strengthen us, rather than you know, support ineptly named items not run by wot people. [11:31]
mircea_popescu: but apparently harder than expected. [11:31]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: curious - harder in terms of management, or in terms of technical implementation, or combination thereof? [11:32]
Framedragger: i guess could be done manually for small (< $dumbars_n) webs of trust. with billing templates / gpg contracts, etc. [11:34]
Framedragger: s/dumbars/dunbars/ [11:34]
mircea_popescu: the long story is like this : that the world is made of friction. this is necessarily, and evident from the fact that it's still here (if self-limitation wasn't a default property of all things, the world would have long exploded). meanwhile the republic is made of few people, and also evident from definition - selective means minority. now add these things together : every project suffers from low power and high friction. [11:35]
mircea_popescu: so, why doesn't $item exist ? because the $guy that's a) intelligent enough to do it and b) dedicated enough to toil through however long it takes to get $item off ground hasn'rt come forward yet. [11:36]
* trinque is toiling on this very one [11:37]
trinque: the payments thinger shall have a way of invoicing someone [11:37]
trinque: and of paying an invoice [11:37]
trinque: this morning's conversation has me thinking over how to do this without accounts [11:39]
Framedragger: pgp keys? not that this constitutes an entire solution [11:40]
Framedragger: unless you deem pgp key in this instance to also be an 'account/ [11:40]
trinque: read earlier thread [11:40]
Framedragger: ' [11:40]
mircea_popescu: there's on top of that also the question of tooling. consider : had i pushed hard on this three years ago when it first came around (and pankake tried to make it) we'd have ended up with non-v software. that'd have sucked but at the time i didn't know what exactly v is. trinque brings a solid related point : infrastructure. just like tooling. [11:40]
mircea_popescu: there's an advertising site ben_vulpes tried to make long ago (which is what jurov was referring to - though iirc i handled payments there) there's also the which may be related (at least in the social component). should it be related ? [11:42]
mircea_popescu: so you know, "why aren't there monkeys on this planet ?" "well, partly because life is hard, and partly because there's not yet the livers sufficiently advanced to support a monkey's lifestyle" [11:42]
asciilifeform: if every attempt at solving particular problem leads to a d00d who takes to kakodrink and wander off muttering nonsense for the rest of his days, and never anything resembling a solution appears, possibly problem was ill-posed... [11:42]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's little doubt in my mind that this particular "problem" (more properly class of problems, likely) is ill posed. [11:43]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re. bdsm board, sure it could be, the latter, as i understood it, would be a general e2e encrypted forum board (permanent post) solution with signatures etc. [11:43]
mircea_popescu: sure. what of it ? [11:43]
asciilifeform: my take on 'fiverr' et al: ~stupid people are not a resource for the republic~. live'em to wander the world, live and die, to possibly birth less stupid folx, mine uranium for dying empires, etc., see also . [11:45]
a111: Logged on 2014-06-02 18:30 mircea_popescu: Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or what [11:45]
asciilifeform: *leave'em [11:45]
mircea_popescu: the republic lives off tooling and infrastructure, and what is tooling and infrastructure develops out of you know, lived life. as a matter of necessity this can't be aforestated in its entirety. [11:45]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. the thing with fiverr was simply the practical exercise base for [11:45]
mircea_popescu: it wasn't something else. [11:45]
asciilifeform: iirc there were earlier instances where mircea_popescu and other folx tried to recycle'em into something: the incident with the rental posters (who was that..?), the 'get epsilon btc to make eulora player', possibly other instances of beehive-fucking [11:46]
Framedragger: ...instead of, say, looking for intelligent motivated folk? not that i know how to do the latter. /me interrupts [11:47]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing with the posters was simply "feed the artist while also doing something". that something happened to be "check this guy's claims". very similar, come to think about it, to this usecase here with fiverr. [11:47]
mircea_popescu: it turned out the guy was making shit up, and a well. [11:48]
mircea_popescu: and yes - very similar with bitcointalk eulora thing also. imagine this, MILLIONS of fly eyes, not a single one was capable of figuring out stuff explained plainly in documentation and coversation. but a few tried to defraud. [11:49]
mircea_popescu: i dunno how would anyone ever argue in favour of the foss delusion. the data's pretty clear. [11:49]
asciilifeform: was it tlp, or who, but wrote about how many folx growing up in the ruins of 'western civilization' are biologically incapable of forming healthy attachment of any sort [11:49]
asciilifeform: thir only attachment - to bottle, to tv screen, to dope. [11:50]
mircea_popescu: i'm not terribly optimistic of that "healthy attachment" in the general form. [11:50]
Framedragger: but then you have very motivated intelligent people trying to crack - the latter being possibly a recruiting campaign - so maybe it's also a matter of outreach strategy... [11:50]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger do you know what motivates them there, principally ? [11:50]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: like or not, serious work for e.g., tmsr requires some degree of it [11:51]
mircea_popescu: no argument. but people were not by and large capable of healthy attachment at any point known from extant record. [11:51]
Framedragger: there, as in say, in the challenge in question? i would imagine, curiosity, and a deeper need to do something smart and meaningful, and hoping that the people organizing this give such an opportunity. and folx are willing to spend many hours pursuing that. [11:51]
asciilifeform: most any useful project takes longer than hour or however long a flight of fancy runs in typical d00d [11:51]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yes, there as in the challenge question. [11:51]
asciilifeform: 'people' as broad class historically have barely been capable of wiping own arse. i was referring to the formerly sometimes-capable right tongue of bell curve, not to cattle. [11:52]
mircea_popescu: the attractor is the futility. the plain and unescapable certainty that if they succeed NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. the point about "yes white racism exists - it's white people hating themselves" isn't just some superficial flurry of rhetoric. it informs the deepest recesses of subconscious thought and minute behaviour, "if nothing happens then nothing bad can happen" is not just why sane kid chooses for himself "a goivernment job" [11:53]
mircea_popescu: or just why intelligent motivated person looks for way to cicada rather than way to blow up the new york times building/ [11:53]
asciilifeform: y'know, the folx who at one point built rockets, skyscrapers. they had descendants, who are now writing poor quality php on 'fiverr' etc. [11:53]
mircea_popescu: so yes - more friction, the republic is all about "if you succeed things happen". this is poisonous, to the modern mind. [11:53]
Framedragger: so if tmsr did something like that cicada challenge, with a properly formulated marketing strategy, maybe motivated people would turn up. i haven't seen an honest marketing attempt by republican folk, but then, i've probably not seen enough. [11:53]
mircea_popescu: but tmsr will never do something like the cicada challenge. [11:54]
asciilifeform: wtf is a cicada challenge [11:54]
asciilifeform: sit in the tree, chitter ? [11:54]
Framedragger: i've seen attempts to post on bitcointalk, with the psychological safety of knowing that if it fails, "well it's shitty redditard forums anyway, who cares" [11:54]
mircea_popescu: erudite masturbation, [11:54]
Framedragger: various crypto puzzles etc [11:54]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: omfg11111!11222 we have whole BAG of 'crypto puzzle' for who wants [11:55]
asciilifeform: e.g., the list of phuctor wtfs [11:55]
asciilifeform: or 'can block cipher be put on a scientific footing re min-complexity' [11:55]
asciilifeform: or, or [11:55]
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo Good day for Qntras [11:55]
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded. [11:55]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: marketing all of that requires a different skillset from being able to formulate puzzles, tho [11:55]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's the excuse du jour for the contemporaneous pothead. the gwern, the guy who "really believed in wikipedia", the guy who "really believed in ted talks" and "fucking loved sicence" and so on. the kid who is "investigating child pornizzerias in wash dc" via 4chan and "visual thinking" [11:55]
mircea_popescu: and no, it requires no skill, it requires a specific representation to be believably made. that "nothing will happen". i can't make that, nor do i wish to (these two are related). [11:56]
* asciilifeform looked up 'cicada', what a snore [11:57]
mircea_popescu: then again that's exactly what we'd say, isn't it. [11:57]
asciilifeform: this kind of 'crossword' is quite often used in american corporate hiring [11:57]
Framedragger: yes, snore, everyone's stupid, etc [11:57]
asciilifeform: where Official credentials are so heavy on arbitrary crapolade that they are ~worthless [11:57]
Framedragger: good luck with the whole recruiting thing. /sad [11:58]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger woulja care to go into detail or is it too depressing ? [11:58]
asciilifeform: (at a recent hellhole where asciilifeform worked, they marched in folx with perfect marks, many magister degrees in 'sciences', etc., who COULD NOT PROGRAM) [11:58]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm off home from work. will try to formulate sth constructive later [11:58]
mircea_popescu: no rush. [11:58]
mircea_popescu: do you understand the objection though, or is it just so much nonsense ? [11:59]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: objection against current republic outlook, or objection against being all snore-ful and despiseful while at the same time grumbling about republican efforts being slow and the republic being poor? :) [12:00]
Framedragger: (i'm sorry, i'm just tired.) [12:01]
trinque: this cute glib thing jurov was doing earlier, stop. [12:01]
trinque: both of ya :p [12:01]
trinque: this idea of marketing with some bait and switch proceeds directly to a bunch of "fuck you, I'm just here to ..." [12:05]
asciilifeform: << actually there is another destructive force at work, also. i once knew a very capable d00d who ended up quitting serious research (he was a biologist) to play 'world o' warcraft'. he explained it as 'the game gives steady reward morsels, my research was a possibly lifelong brick wall' (not his exact words, but this was long ago) [12:05]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 16:53 mircea_popescu: the attractor is the futility. the plain and unescapable certainty that if they succeed NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. the point about "yes white racism exists - it's white people hating themselves" isn't just some superficial flurry of rhetoric. it informs the deepest recesses of subconscious thought and minute behaviour, "if nothing happens then nothing bad can happen" is not just why sane kid chooses for himself "a goivernment job" [12:05]
asciilifeform: and that is how various folx end up in mental masturbatoria (e.g., 'mensa', similar clubs) instead of working on actual unsolved megaproblems [12:08]
asciilifeform: (or even mundane human problems like 'where to find a more decent flat' , because ~there~ , just as with fermat conjecture, there is no guarantee that you aren't facing brick wall, on account of personal inadequacy. whereas the crossword is guaranteed to yield to modest effort. it is sex with doll.) [12:09]
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel [12:37]
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. [12:37]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger objection against the "we'll do a cicada thing". [12:38]
mircea_popescu: but it is reassuring to see that a century later, the menshevik-bolshevik debate is all happily chugging along. [12:39]
mircea_popescu: i suppose the intimate history of red radicalism is only familiar to dedicated entomologists. [12:40]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i still believe it's "no matter what happens, wow will not tell me anything about myself." [12:48]
mircea_popescu: the "value" is that it has nothing to say from a certain perspective this makes sense. [12:48]
asciilifeform: well yes, it was precisely this, 'doll will spread legs , guaranteed' [12:48]
mircea_popescu: aha. [12:49]
asciilifeform: ( in related 'news', phuctor 'fan' : >> 'Oh, the Phuctor guy. Ignore him, he has a history of spreading FUD about PGP being horribly broken and accusing anyone who corrects him of being part of some elaborate cover-up (and in at least one case, threatening to contact the university of the person who did so. ' ) [12:49]
mircea_popescu: see, you lose. i "have a history" of rape and terrorism. 1-0. [12:50]
asciilifeform: evidently!111 [12:50]
asciilifeform: 'Not every single output bit from then on, which is what would be necessary for his claim to be true, just those bits' >> gotta wonder, does this ninjashotgun know or not that you need ~0.22P bits of rsa P to break in coupla hours. or not. [12:51]
asciilifeform: 0.22(bitlen(P)) rather [12:52]
mircea_popescu: "know". [12:52]
asciilifeform: (the little entomological puzzle here being, how much are these folks schooled in the facts, so as to lie correctly) [12:52]
mircea_popescu: the graph is walked backwards. they say what the audience expects. not schooled in any facts, it's all "consensus building" [12:53]
mircea_popescu: the part where this is necessarily self-limiting, and always ends an "inexplicable hillary defeat" is out of their horizon. [12:54]
mircea_popescu: even the quoted statement is a disguised tautology. "don't herd with the guy that's not herding with the herd." hurr durr, i totally needed a degree in something of the other studies to figure this much out! [12:58]
mircea_popescu: !!up waffle_ [13:34]
deedbot: waffle_ voiced for 30 minutes. [13:34]
mircea_popescu: and who might you be ? [13:34]
shinohai: Ironically, an individual with the name waffle_ shows up blue in my client. [13:36]
mircea_popescu: is blue goos ? [13:37]
mircea_popescu: good* [13:37]
shinohai: [13:37]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 22072784285862885271279799032849184899576753655827417176388991752752977974152919882369188552315300641356536229705473821542565556084901978645340491923364598455353045068232986186093026372449629383460165283340072908135638702446759791265150171553851326715990339973536506688221852231934997052384523569605029898645670302079063 [13:39]
ben_vulpes: << not unreasonabru, wallet braindamage/taint stush/millions of other things weren't necessarily apparent in 2011 [13:39]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 08:50 jurov: i just threw my hands in disgust and use electrum. negrate as you wish. [13:39]
mircea_popescu: shinohai basically, imaginary vaginitis ? [13:40]
ben_vulpes: << eh it's 250 words, he's been threatening to do it forever, just prodding [13:40]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 12:01 mircea_popescu: read more like "i'm not smart enough for this one, try next door" to me :) [13:40]
mircea_popescu: o ic [13:41]
ben_vulpes: << just because i didn't detail how to deal with idiot customers doesn't mean that you can't also look for mismatched amounts and resolve it yourself [13:42]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 12:27 jurov: what does electrum do? enables one to accept payments without having "mismatched amounts are kept" sinkhole in the foyer, which ben_vulpes seem to be too fond of. [13:42]
ben_vulpes: obviously it weakens the automatability of your processing to open up a hole for contesting deposits [13:44]
mircea_popescu: << in fairness, "trinque" as well as "mircea_popescu" is an account in the meaning here contemplated. you already have accounts. [13:46]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 16:39 trinque: this morning's conversation has me thinking over how to do this without accounts [13:46]
ben_vulpes: << your holding keys did not absolve me of tracking account deposits [13:51]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 16:42 mircea_popescu: there's an advertising site ben_vulpes tried to make long ago (which is what jurov was referring to - though iirc i handled payments there) there's also the which may be related (at least in the social component). should it be related ? [13:51]
mircea_popescu: ah right that's how it was. [13:51]
mircea_popescu: long ago, what was it, 2013 ? [13:51]
ben_vulpes: something like that [13:56]
mircea_popescu: funny what counts for long ago in my head. [14:02]
mircea_popescu: << meanwhile read the source. phoronix forum lel. anyway - funnily enough, and predictably enough the dude plays the "commentary supersedes reality" game, and purports to handwave the... what is it, 1.5k cracked moduli with loose discussion of a coupla imaginary examples he came up with on the spot, notwithstanding that after all the whole fucking thing is published. [14:08]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 17:49 asciilifeform: ( in related 'news', phuctor 'fan' : >> 'Oh, the Phuctor guy. Ignore him, he has a history of spreading FUD about PGP being horribly broken and accusing anyone who corrects him of being part of some elaborate cover-up (and in at least one case, threatening to contact the university of the person who did so. ' ) [14:08]
asciilifeform: iirc we had ~300 cracked mods then [14:09]
mircea_popescu: but he talks to the postmodern crowd, that's drowned in information it can't process. the same "public opinion" which snowden imagined will cause some sort of equivalent reaction to nuclear holocaust only bigger through publishing his data but then turned out to fizzle (exactly like the nukes) [14:09]
mircea_popescu: never fear the FEARFUL!!!1 by consensus, what's awesome by everyone's agreement is always the magical wizard of oz, a hunchback old codger behind a mirror. [14:10]
mircea_popescu: it's a very interesting paradoxical effect this, from either a cultural anthropology or a gnoseology angle, that when deluged with first hand data the human brain reacts by secreting and seeking out... commentary, which is to say spurious text that's not even data. [14:12]
mircea_popescu: the model for the situation is roughly speaking that of a man caught in a prison made out of cooked meat, walls so thick he can't physically eat his way through - and his reaction is to raise cattle to make sausage. [14:13]
asciilifeform: eh the wall jerky is tough & stringy, but his own turd sausage is soft an' delish. [14:13]
mircea_popescu: AND, observably, the recipes slowly diverge - it was 1 part wall meat to 3 parts cattle meat years ago, but by now it's 1 to 10 or elss [14:13]
mircea_popescu: and some eat entirely cattle meat diet. [14:14]
asciilifeform: except the only 'cattle' in the jail are the jailbird's own lice. [14:14]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even, it's more a matter of "but the wall meat is pink and his meat is purple. purple is better" [14:14]
mircea_popescu: there's nothing substantively making the data less comprehensible than the commentary. on the contrary, if you had to write a parser it'd be easier to write it for the data - the commentary is baseless and as such incomprehensible through sheer variance. [14:15]
mircea_popescu: hence the whole "i want time magazine to tell me how the shutdown relates to me" ie, "i don't want any data (ie, anything about objective reality, outside) i just want commentary, entirely baseless if possible." [14:22]
mircea_popescu: hence why any "discussion" of the global warming scam by the proponents starts and ends with a litany of... all the proponents that agree with this proponent. [14:22]
mircea_popescu: apparently if i have a billion datapoints and a billion idiots who can't, individually, evaluate a thousand data points, the solution is to create a list of all the thousand trillion "evaluations" of each data point by each idiot, and then list those. because why deal with a billion when i could deal with a thousand trillion. [14:24]
mircea_popescu: then let's make "all of them agree" and suddenly - problem solved! [14:24]
mircea_popescu: no, the more i think about it, the more this makes sense. [14:24]
mircea_popescu: "rather than have you evaluate 1bn datapoints, how about i send you the number 4 a thousand trillion times*" [14:25]
mircea_popescu: * = or until your connection floods and you turn it off. [14:25]
mircea_popescu: in the end, the only difference between us and them is that we're not particularly impressed with the notion of "bn datapoints!!1" because whatever, i'll just cat/grep them. their computer only has notepad and it can't load bn line files. [14:27]
mircea_popescu: which explains why "a fascination with the complexity of universe" or similar blabla is so predictive of idiocy (call it iyi, jewry, whatever) : the dude who goes "i fucking love science!!1" in response to artist's renditions of galaxies has a very low tolerance to complexity. [14:28]
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: << just added a couple commas and updated block height. signed and sealed. [15:05]
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: scrap 'drafted in' line and jam it into deedbot? [15:08]
pete_dushenski: !!deed [15:09]
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: you should also sign, yes ? [15:10]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [15:10]
ben_vulpes: standby 2 [15:10]
ben_vulpes: lol we have a typo [15:10]
ben_vulpes: "i ben vulpes, identifed" [15:10]
ben_vulpes: !!deed [15:11]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [15:12]
ben_vulpes: see ya sometime q1 [15:12]
pete_dushenski: *firmly shakes hands with ben_vulpes* [15:12]
ben_vulpes: aha [15:13]
ben_vulpes: longest potential horizon wager in tmsr~ yet? [15:13]
pete_dushenski: could well be. [15:14]
pete_dushenski: << in other horizons, the owner of kim's ass, one kanye west, <3 Trumpenreich. [15:19]
ben_vulpes: yeezy for prez [15:21]
* trinque watched a vid of his new floating stage today [15:22]
trinque: it is certainly one louder than ten. [15:22]
ben_vulpes: carter/west 2020 [15:24]
mircea_popescu: erryone loves a winner in america [15:26]
mircea_popescu: 2021 ? you folks'd better provision, there's literally no telling what a bitcent means in four years [15:28]
ben_vulpes: exciting, innit [15:30]
mircea_popescu: and yes quite possibly longest yet. [15:39]
Framedragger: << heh, incidentally -- Что делать? is still on my reading list. at the very least seems to be a decent rhetorical piece. i mean, the ending is cool - literally the last words are, [15:47]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 17:39 mircea_popescu: but it is reassuring to see that a century later, the menshevik-bolshevik debate is all happily chugging along. [15:47]
Framedragger: "The third period, as we have seen, was prepared in 1897 and [...] was a period of disunity, dissolution, and vacillation. [...] by way of summing up what has been expounded above, we may meet the question, What is to be done? with the brief reply: Put an End to the Third Period." [15:47]
mircea_popescu: :p [15:49]
Framedragger: (hm, looks lamer when put as an irc line, i'faith.) [15:50]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: regarding the "let's do cicada" objection - there probably are several angles which one could counter with - is the main one basically what trinque said, i.e., it's a form of (dishonest, to boot) bait-and-switch, which selects for some $random_criterion and the latter may not at all translate into what's actually useful? [15:52]
mircea_popescu: well, no. the objection is, in nucet, that you've not so far proposed a bridge over the gap of "the republic is about empowering people to matter in the world and the redditardisms are about assuring cattle that their play will have no consequences" [15:52]
Framedragger: mhm. [15:53]
Framedragger: ah right, what you said about futility. [15:53]
mircea_popescu: yeah. in different terms, if you run a shop selling denim overalls for farmers and miners and notice that this magazine sells (quite lucratively!) chiffon dresses to boston ladies, [15:54]
mircea_popescu: you can't simply take the pages out, photograph the miners in boudoir interiors and overwrite them with "IT LIFTS! AND IT SEPARATES!" [15:54]
mircea_popescu: as such your attempt makes no sense to your market. [15:54]
trinque: !!up gabriel_laddel [15:58]
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. [15:58]
gabriel_laddel: tsmr~ web can now be a thing: I fixed CL-FTP [15:59]
gabriel_laddel: [15:59]
Framedragger: you know, i wonder how postgresql has managed not to die, and to remain, as far as i can see it, a quality product still. both in terms of codebase, and in terms of the set of maintainers and current engineers. probably very strict selection criteria, very strong people in the initial set (funded by / researchers at .su technical uni etc) [16:00]
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: you're going to have to give "web can now be a thing" a bit more detail [16:00]
trinque: ^ [16:00]
Framedragger: they invite student interns to write stuff, too, and afaik it's high quality, too. again, just good selection i guess. but also - interest to participate. [16:01]
trinque: Framedragger: it has a couple of paid consulting firms driving it though [16:01]
* Framedragger a bit OT, not sure [16:01]
trinque: iirc 4th quadrant, some others [16:01]
gabriel_laddel: [16:01]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger if you want to write a monograph on that topic i'd read. [16:01]
Framedragger: trinque: yeah, there's that.. [16:02]
gabriel_laddel: ^ patch the lastest CL-FTP with that ftp.lisp and it'll work [16:02]
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel is this cl-fpt an apache replacement then ? [16:02]
gabriel_laddel: details re tsmr web in a second.. [16:02]
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: in what sense is this ' tsmr~ web ' ?? [16:02]
gabriel_laddel: The web is nothing more than networked graphics. CLIM supplies graphics, but no networking. [16:04]
gabriel_laddel: An existing CLIM application, BEIRC works with IRC just fine. [16:05]
* asciilifeform bewildered [16:06]
gabriel_laddel: The way this will work: an invite-only IRC channel with a +v voice model is used to send s-expression strings between networked CLIM applications. [16:06]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: noted. (that's actually a problem i'm always easy to be set off on a stupid rant, but it's harder to be constructive etc. not that this is a unique trait. and there's a superficial connection to the whole rant-y nature of things, that is: [16:06]
Framedragger: asciilifeform linked to that phoronix thread, and there were in point of fact good replies on that thread, who acknowledged significance of phuctor, but of course asciilifeform chose to focus on the stupid kiddos there.) [16:06]
asciilifeform: it is as if i asked 'how does your proposed replacement for tetracycline work' and gabriel_laddel answered 'tetraethyl lead in my 100 octane avgas prevents engine knock' [16:07]
gabriel_laddel: IRC has some limits on sending files and whatnot, so well-formed sexprs will be used to name FTP servers which you can download files and such from. [16:07]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha he replaced dbus with irc ?! [16:07]
gabriel_laddel: ^ exactly. then we just wait for someone to get annoyed enough with the backend that they swap it out with gossipd. [16:08]
gabriel_laddel: ascii confessed to having a 90% complete version months ago. [16:08]
mircea_popescu: so basically, you're talking about a client stack on which a browser-like could be stood up ? [16:09]
gabriel_laddel: yep. [16:09]
mircea_popescu: tmsr-web as in, not replacing apache, replacing mozillachrome ? [16:09]
gabriel_laddel: correct. [16:09]
trinque: why irc when you could just have some simple socket server [16:09]
* trinque has plenty of those sitting around in lisp [16:09]
mircea_popescu: he prolly had the code. [16:10]
* asciilifeform will never again say that a program he writes is 'x % complete', it is a mistake [16:10]
gabriel_laddel: trinque: because I've had issues with sockets in lisp every single time I've used them, whereas irc works fine every time. [16:10]
Framedragger: (ideally, i would guess, it'd munch datagrams, too, because gossipd is to have no stateful connections of the tcp kind.) [16:10]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very much a mistake. i was going to say something derisive about the % but then i passed. [16:10]
trinque: gabriel_laddel: I cannot corroborate your experience [16:10]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu really ought to have properly laughed , aha [16:10]
trinque: and if that were so legions of things in lisp would not work [16:10]
gabriel_laddel: trinque: but the point is, swapping whatever backend out is easy. If you want sockets, fine, just switch. It isn't like programming CLIM is difficult. [16:11]
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: your 'irc server' deals in what, stream of characters ? of bytes ? [16:11]
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: yep. [16:11]
gabriel_laddel: characters [16:11]
gabriel_laddel: strings [16:11]
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel so basically you can make lisp machines i can give out to hos ? [16:11]
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: why hos specifically? [16:11]
asciilifeform: and i can make 'mazeratis' so long as they are of cardboard. [16:11]
mircea_popescu: cuz that's what i care about. [16:12]
pete_dushenski: << in other hos, latest trumpenreich appointments : sessions for attorney general, pompeo for director of cia, flynn for national security affairs. (link won't archive). [16:12]
gabriel_laddel: oh, then yeah, sure. [16:12]
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they seriously made that domain ? i thought was just bingo being memetic. [16:12]
gabriel_laddel: anyways, the point of this scheme is that it can be implemented in all of a week for someone who has some spare compute sitting around (ie, not me right now) [16:13]
gabriel_laddel: Rather than debating the fine points of gossipd, just implemented it and move on. [16:13]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lmao. it's the real deal. [16:13]
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel so it actually is ho-level complete replacement of ipad whatever, they can do on your item whatever they do, snapchat, whatsapp, whatever ? [16:13]
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: We're talking about masamune I presume (which sure, isn't really separable from CLIM)? [16:14]
mircea_popescu: check out the latest kardashian ass pics, do the yoga routine, cheezburger, foodporn, etc ? [16:14]
mircea_popescu: well yes, from what i understood you've been trying to stand up a whole thing, from hardware ? [16:15]
gabriel_laddel: anyways, no they can't use snapchat, whatsapp or any mobile applications, but yes, they can youtube, gmail, and all web stuff. There is an xterm available via the splash screen for those who need it. [16:15]
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: correct. [16:15]
mircea_popescu: so can i order a couple ? [16:15]
gabriel_laddel: [16:16]
gabriel_laddel: password is klello [16:16]
gabriel_laddel: I may have to cancel your order because I cannot ship to Ar, but nevertheless. [16:16]
mircea_popescu: lol that escalated quickly. [16:16]
mircea_popescu: no deedbot-payable gpg-based ordering huh [16:16]
gabriel_laddel: not until my life is less shit. [16:16]
gabriel_laddel: the shopify thing is just so I have something to point confused sillycon valley people to. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: lol welcome to the future finally. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: x220 thinkpad 720 a pop ? [16:17]
gabriel_laddel: used. [16:18]
gabriel_laddel: I'm making ~300 per sale. ~300 for hardware, ~300 for install. [16:18]
mircea_popescu: this is actually not altogether unmarketable. [16:18]
gabriel_laddel: lol, I'm selling them as we speak. It works. [16:19]
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: nice. [16:19]
gabriel_laddel: still less then 10 out the door, but nevertheless. [16:19]
Framedragger: (wait there's an x220 with 'tablet' / screen-turning mode?) [16:19]
mircea_popescu: apparently yeah [16:19]
* Framedragger typing from an x220, heh [16:20]
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel so how about you hop in a plane and bring me a coupla ? i'll buy you a steak even! [16:20]
Framedragger: dude needs a bouncer [16:20]
mircea_popescu: lmao [16:20]
Framedragger: i still don't understand how much of a browser replacement it is. interesting, tho. what does gabriel_laddel mean, "can gmail"? => can javascript? [16:22]
mircea_popescu: oh, he doesn't actually have his key anymore does he / [16:22]
mircea_popescu: !!up gabriel_laddel [16:22]
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. [16:22]
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: you want a bouncer? [16:22]
mircea_popescu: listen, you gotta fix your infrastructure this is ridiculous already. [16:22]
gabriel_laddel: stanford remotely reset the computer I was using.. [16:22]
gabriel_laddel: it is the only place I have quality internet. [16:22]
gabriel_laddel: the new comcast boxes are shit and I can't even connect to them from linux whatsoever. [16:23]
gabriel_laddel: (at friends apartments etc) [16:23]
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: no passport, but that sounds like a plan. [16:23]
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mircea_popescu: lmao jesus. [16:23]
mircea_popescu: this guy needs a girlfriend stat. preferably a ho that comprehends the points about infrastructure. [16:24]
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: The browser, conkeror has all the same keybindings as emacs. [16:24]
Framedragger: ah! ok [16:25]
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: and it is integrated into the lisp environment via a socket connection. [16:25]
gabriel_laddel: the lisp environment runs parenscript, so you can sorta-kinda drive it with CL. [16:25]
mircea_popescu: He who weilds Masamune need not worry <<< wields. [16:25]
gabriel_laddel: ty. [16:25]
mircea_popescu: documentated lol. [16:26]
mircea_popescu: documented ye foreigner. [16:26]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger he's a fine example actually. has a fucking "shopify" thing because...well ? idiots want my cc. what's he to do, practically, "dude don't checkout with paypal but instead..." [16:27]
gabriel_laddel: that is EXACTLY what I do [16:27]
gabriel_laddel: here is the link, but give me cash [16:28]
mircea_popescu: lol [16:28]
gabriel_laddel: for some reason they can't comprehend things unless it comes on top of js/shopify/something familiar [16:28]
mircea_popescu: yes, but as a more general thing, re earlier discussion. bitcoin has 0 infrastructure, just a bunch of dorkage. [16:28]
Framedragger: sure. [16:28]
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "here's the shopify page, now it's legit to pay 700" ? [16:29]
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: yeah. [16:29]
mircea_popescu: "i'll believe it when i see it with big font in rounded corners." [16:29]
gabriel_laddel: this whole place needs to die. [16:29]
Framedragger: trinque's invoice thing may come useful. but then, there's more space to bridge, such as the vast gap between person who wants to buy useful item and person spending coins from trb so can pay invoice.... [16:30]
gabriel_laddel: speaking of infrastructure, and the lack of it, one of you who isn't doing anything useful (eg, pete) should come out to CA and give me some boxes to work with. [16:30]
Framedragger: physical boxes? [16:30]
gabriel_laddel: yes. [16:30]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger note that there isn't any serious "bitcoin invoicing" thing. you can have a "take customer's bitcoin and give me fiatola", there's 500x of those. there's NO "take customer's fiatola and give me btc" [16:30]
gabriel_laddel: you are not getting any younger, and unless you want your healthcare running on intel/windows -- masamune is the only way forwards. [16:31]
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you don't buy them off amazon ? [16:31]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ties into (naive or not) hawala discussions, i guess... [16:31]
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I do. [16:31]
gabriel_laddel: well, people do for me. [16:31]
gabriel_laddel: (I have no bank accounts etc etc) [16:31]
mircea_popescu: uh. so then why would he come over ? [16:31]
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: wtf happened? [16:31]
mircea_popescu: he shot a deputy. [16:32]
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: with respect to what, my life? [16:32]
Framedragger: just curious. maybe long story [16:32]
Framedragger: yeah [16:32]
gabriel_laddel: I read loper-os, grokked lisp and it ruined me. [16:32]
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha [16:32]
trinque: oh my god this thread [16:32]
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: also, apologies for not checking logs. the question naturally springs to mind, so to speak [16:32]
gabriel_laddel: lol, no worries. [16:32]
* trinque enjoying his friday [16:32]
Framedragger: same, this is history [16:33]
gabriel_laddel: anyways, that's pretty much it. I fucking hate all the companies out here and won't capitulate == me has to sell masamune and do one-off jobs for cash. [16:33]
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel how does this relate to having someone drive all the way from canada to hand you laptops ? [16:33]
trinque: it's clear asciilifeform should've started a guild [16:34]
mircea_popescu: he did sort-of neh ? [16:34]
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: d00d get a key, srsly [16:34]
mircea_popescu: ^ [16:34]
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: 1. he can fly 2. he can do something useful for tsmr~ == get the CLIM-web thing up and running inbetween here and gossipd [16:34]
trinque: hm, suppose he did [16:34]
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: this is disgraceful [16:34]
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: possible to ship x220's to US for you? not that i'm committing as of now. there are nice refurbished ones here in UK [16:34]
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: yes, it is possible. [16:34]
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wish i knew someone in san francisco who wasn't a bum. [16:35]
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: the infrastructure needed is somewhere to put them though. I have machines sitting in stanford's graphics lab (cameras everywhere) that will eventually host the IRC channel, but have nowhere to put them that isn't USG.NSA.YC. [16:35]
mircea_popescu: aaaand you can't rent a place because no bank accounts, amirite. [16:35]
gabriel_laddel: and all of my money goes to essentials right now. [16:36]
mircea_popescu: yes but this situation is not stable. either you get out of there or you get credit cards and whatnot. [16:36]
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: if you want to do something useful, build the CLIM web I've described inbetween here and gossipd. [16:36]
asciilifeform: and can't do some programmer wurk for, month, two, like normal people ? [16:36]
gabriel_laddel: it is ~week worth of hacking. [16:37]
phf: gabriel_laddel: have you looked at closure? [16:37]
mircea_popescu: fucking loony tunes collection over here. that guy doesn't trust anything or like anything that other guy wants to cook while running around the streets of mosul. isn't there anyone in this god damned republic that is sane ? [16:37]
gabriel_laddel: phf: what, the compiler? [16:37]
phf: gabriel_laddel: [16:37]
gabriel_laddel: phf: oh yeah - it doesn't run. [16:38]
pete_dushenski: << in other housing news, home of "world's first cyber security education center" now under construction near asciilifeform's house. [16:38]
gabriel_laddel: phf: anyways, I only think we'll be using the browser as a tool to suck information out of into CLIM in the near future. [16:38]
phf: well, yeah, i'm sure it bitrotted by now, but how much work is it to revive? i kind of have it in the back of my mind for the bright clim future.. [16:38]
trinque: << found a house for 5 sales of masamune [16:38]
pete_dushenski: article author audrey wachs is one bitter shillarist! [16:38]
gabriel_laddel: phf: the "bright CLIM future" doesn't have html/css/js/ any parsing at all in it. [16:39]
mircea_popescu: lol rapevan. nice trinque does it come with candy ? [16:39]
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: i don't have much free time now, either. maybe end of next week, at this rate. re. CLIM web - any notes / writeup to help? as in, 20min of your time to save some hours of my time while helping you? [16:39]
gabriel_laddel: trinque: guess who doesn't know how to drive. [16:39]
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: sure thing. [16:39]
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: do you have a website / email? [16:40]
trinque: mircea_popescu: he'll have a hundred bux for teh candy [16:40]
Framedragger: trinque: gold [16:40]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it isn't particularly near where i live, but i've been there, it is one of the few habitable / clean / civilized towns i've visited in usa [16:40]
pete_dushenski: aha cool [16:40]
phf: did they just drop you into the enemy planet without the mothership tether?? [16:40]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: expensive, full of retired admirals et al [16:40]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: ie where you'll be in 40 years :P [16:41]
mircea_popescu: nah, there's the retiring kind and the executed kind of admiral. [16:41]
mircea_popescu: he's the executed kind. [16:41]
asciilifeform: ^ [16:41]
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: fd at mkj dot lt , gpg fingerprint E2DF 986D 58A0 D387 6BA1 65FA CC05 10AA FD8A F4B7 [16:41]
pete_dushenski: !#s when war is over [16:41]
a111: 2 results for "when war is over", [16:41]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: suppose so eh [16:41]
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: you need an ssh account on a vps? [16:42]
gabriel_laddel: what, why? [16:42]
Framedragger: stable bouncer, etc., i don't know [16:42]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it's unclear so far how this fellow can be helped, so if you come up with something... [16:42]
mircea_popescu: apparently all he wants is coding support and the extant lisp curmudgeons disapprove of his (evidently adolescentine) technological choices. [16:43]
asciilifeform: that isn't it at all actually [16:43]
mircea_popescu: no, but it makes for a better story. [16:43]
mircea_popescu: !!up Gaboose [16:45]
deedbot: Gaboose voiced for 30 minutes. [16:45]
asciilifeform: i cannot speak for others, but i disapprove of only two details -- 1) the solution of problems using wordplay & redefinition, the characteristic 'millenial' sin, e.g., 'this ftp daemon is TMSR WEB!', this can of cig butts is lisp machine 2) failure to maintain elementary self-hygiene -- have a hut with locking door, and FOR FUCKS SAKE, MAN, a pgp key [16:45]
mircea_popescu: myeah. he does live in the ground 0 of the bomb of that though. [16:46]
asciilifeform: and i live on ground 0 of i dun even want to contemplate what. [16:46]
mircea_popescu: i literally know no one in sf who owns real estate it turns out. this is mindboggling, how the fuck can the land values be so high! fucking chinese own it all ? aliens ? [16:46]
asciilifeform: j000z [16:46]
asciilifeform: same as in manhattan. [16:46]
mircea_popescu: i know more jooz than abraham. [16:47]
asciilifeform: the wrong, apparently, set!1111 [16:47]
mircea_popescu: appartently not the right ones [16:47]
mircea_popescu: myeah [16:47]
asciilifeform: land in sf is only slightly cheaper than on space station. [16:47]
asciilifeform: but to return to subj, asciilifeform also owns 0 land. but has a motherfucking POST ADDRESS omfg [16:48]
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: and you don't have a linux distro to sell. [16:49]
phf: people that i know who own property in sf are of deep imperial alignment, they would be proper horrified of tmsr and its rhetoric [16:49]
gabriel_laddel: we all have to optimize for something. [16:49]
mircea_popescu: he also zings pretty well. [16:49]
asciilifeform: lulzily enough at one point i had a 'buy this box with sbcl + our proggy installed' item for sale. (nobody, ftr, bought) [16:50]
asciilifeform: long ago. [16:50]
gabriel_laddel: lab minion? [16:50]
asciilifeform: aha [16:50]
mircea_popescu: well, his sell. i have nfi how that one worx. [16:50]
asciilifeform: from one pov was a titanic waste of time, from another - best education asciilifeform ever had. [16:50]
* phf sold a handful of asterisk + sbcl boxes in the past [16:50]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am to believe that 'man can sell' but not enough to rent a post box ? [16:51]
mircea_popescu: i've seen it. [16:51]
asciilifeform: 300 $ buys three years of post box in state of md. [16:51]
mircea_popescu: aha. [16:51]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i hear ya, i'm interested to take a peek at the thing, tho. [16:51]
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel make a corp already it's like fiddy bux, can be done online, then you can be the officer get bank accounts deposit cash get warehouse rented sleep there. [16:52]
mircea_popescu: takes all of a week if that. [16:52]
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel [16:52]
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. [16:52]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik you need a postbox to register corp in usa. [16:53]
asciilifeform: also to open bank acct [16:53]
asciilifeform: (in fact it is Officially Forbidden for folx with 0 fixed addr of residence to open acct) [16:53]
phf: (after 9/11) [16:53]
asciilifeform: aha [16:53]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but he gets the postbox first. [16:54]
asciilifeform: if he had postbox, and made an OMFG!11111#$$##$# pgp key, he would be at least 1 old lappy richer nao [16:55]
mircea_popescu: when was that, ~month ago ? [16:55]
asciilifeform: ~= [16:55]
mircea_popescu: this is all very time-convenient though. because : SEE Framedragger ? SEE ? how about now ? huh ? hm ? [16:55]
Framedragger: well, this is a fine case in point [16:56]
* mircea_popescu goes to get the larger rub-in-er [16:56]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: get a second point and draw a line, even [16:56]
phf: presumably he doesn't have a key, because there's no openpgp implementation in common lisp... [16:56]
mircea_popescu: from what i recall ended up with his previous life's shit impounded. [16:56]
asciilifeform: btw i still have nfi how this is possible outside of jail [16:57]
asciilifeform: it is almost as if fella ~were~ in jail but for some reason did not want to say [16:57]
mircea_popescu: anyway. the republic isn't poor. but it is very fucking difficult to get proper leverage applied. [16:57]
gabriel_laddel: phf: my key needs to be recovered. [16:57]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not even sure there's a better place to do something of the scale of "clim computer" than low security us jail. [16:58]
mircea_popescu: maybe low security swedish jail. [16:58]
gabriel_laddel: I've not generated a new one because it cannot be done securely due to nonsense in my life right now. [16:58]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you have ~very~ good memory, and can rsa in yer head... [16:58]
mircea_popescu: why ? you can internet and computor. [16:58]
asciilifeform: can't v. [16:58]
mircea_popescu: sure you can. [16:59]
asciilifeform: ergo cannot author code. [16:59]
asciilifeform: can't maintain sole control of signing key. [16:59]
mircea_popescu: but ironically, YOU don't want to v until the code's done anyway and put it all in root. so... [16:59]
asciilifeform: ergo cannot v. [16:59]
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: sure, but I'd be generating a key on something that regularly connects to the internet. [16:59]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: v is a publication instrument, not a swine-herding instrument. [16:59]
gabriel_laddel: which whatever, can do this if it'd make stas happy until recovery. [16:59]
mircea_popescu: so he can swineherd in jail and publish once out [16:59]
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: why did you take offline (just curious)? (it's still in google cache.) decided it'd be not as easy to commercialize? :p [17:00]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he'd better have put his sword in some stone he can later get to, out of the jail. [17:00]
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: the way I want people to get masamune is "have to know a guy" [17:00]
mircea_popescu: ie, wot. but then... no wot. [17:00]
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: fuck participating in the usg web / github / CC economy etc. [17:00]
Framedragger: i guess #trilema helps with bootstrapping the WoT, so there's that [17:01]
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: as i gather, you are trying to follow the example of mircea_popescu , who - famously - has never worked for pay, etc. but afaik mircea_popescu never had any problems receiving mail or having own comp. [17:01]
mircea_popescu: i credit the hos. [17:01]
trinque: there is definitely some yoga chick to move in with in sf [17:02]
mircea_popescu: which is the correct solution at his age hire a receptionist gf to handle the whole circus. [17:03]
mircea_popescu: trinque ikr. [17:03]
asciilifeform: don't chix in sf already live 8 to a room ? [17:03]
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I even created a program to meet girls.. no dice thus yet. [17:03]
mircea_popescu: so get 8 for the room of 1, win-win. [17:03]
mircea_popescu: aaahaahha [17:03]
trinque: wtf program to what [17:03]
trinque: go to a yoga class and then talk to the teacher chick about how your chakras are all clogged or w/e [17:04]
trinque: pls 2 halp [17:04]
gabriel_laddel: lol. so check it out: [17:04]
mircea_popescu: o wait, did we stumble on the problem ? gabriel_laddel are you like all socially shy and weird irl ? [17:04]
gabriel_laddel: I have a CLIM application that has those photos + other photos of alcohol & cocaine. [17:04]
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: nah [17:04]
phf: that's actually pretty cool, reminds me of the 60s mylar art.. [17:05]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: which is nice and all, but sounds too romanticized for my tastes. "be practical, get a gpg key on a machine that *is* connected to the net, and *later* get a proper one" is imho a sane approach at this point in time. [17:05]
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I then ask people if they want to participate in a psychology experiment, have them select their favorite 3 photos from the 22 I have. [17:05]
phf: or rather gouache projections [17:06]
gabriel_laddel: trinque: then inform them off the "Without explaining the images, they had shown the book to their patients and asked them to pick a favorite. Every single one of them chose their drug of dependence, with 100 percent accuracy. Even the secretary who only ever drank coffee chose caffeine." [17:06]
gabriel_laddel: and the correlations I've encountered thus far. [17:06]
gabriel_laddel: (have ~100 datapoints which includes hair color, eye color, ethnicity) [17:06]
gabriel_laddel: and in some cases, previous drug use. [17:06]
asciilifeform: lol, mephedrone ! i had nfi it existed outside of ex-sov countries [17:06]
trinque: so the fitness function is having compatible addictions? [17:07]
gabriel_laddel: Nah, this is just an icebreaker. [17:07]
mircea_popescu: judicious for the scene. [17:07]
gabriel_laddel: I thought it was BS, but there appear to be some correlations. [17:07]
asciilifeform: where in usa can i meet a mephedrone-eater ? [17:07]
gabriel_laddel: eg, people with blue eyes like the alcohol photos. [17:07]
gabriel_laddel: which is odd, because people with blue eyes are more likely to be alcoholics [17:08]
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: what was your sample size ? [17:08]
asciilifeform: 100 ? [17:08]
gabriel_laddel: thereabouts. we shall see if these correlations hold up to ~5k. [17:08]
gabriel_laddel: at which point something interesting can be said. [17:08]
gabriel_laddel: trinque: anyways, have not met a suitable girl yet. [17:08]
ben_vulpes: what, all missing parts? [17:09]
trinque: someday the addiction matrix will align! [17:09]
gabriel_laddel: all the women out here are involved in "social justice" bs. [17:09]
gabriel_laddel: at least the ones I keep running into. [17:09]
ben_vulpes: yeah you gotta catch 'em at like 22 [17:09]
trinque: california is pretty cancerous, yes [17:09]
ben_vulpes: cant imagine life is still viable at 22 these days though [17:10]
ben_vulpes: "omg dating down is reprehensible!" [17:10]
ben_vulpes: "omg its the only way to get unbrainwashed girlfriends" [17:10]
Framedragger: << and yet you're on lol :p (just sayin'.) [17:10]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 22:00 gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: fuck participating in the usg web / github / CC economy etc. [17:10]
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: oh ty, need to delete that. [17:10]
Framedragger: " Achievements Identified and prototyped the first realistic solution to the education problem. " << nice [17:11]
trinque: ben_vulpes: sjw zombies still wrecking the latte economy up there? [17:11]
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: it's not so bad. My life is actually pretty cool, just not found a suitable gf and can only spend so much time looking per day. [17:12]
* trinque still wants drone footage [17:12]
gabriel_laddel: I get to attend many more optics seminars than you all do. [17:12]
gabriel_laddel: And they are v good. [17:12]
ben_vulpes: trinque: they're noisy and have ~0 to do with anything [17:12]
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel yes, but wouldja get yourself in a position where we can help you already ? [17:12]
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: understood. [17:14]
ben_vulpes: trinque: [17:15]
ben_vulpes: > activist [17:15]
mircea_popescu: o check it out, a picture including no real people. [17:16]
mircea_popescu: "dj princess dimebag" [17:17]
phf: i actually thought that was something mp made up before i checked again.. [17:17]
asciilifeform: holy fuck what is a 'dj princess dimebag' [17:18]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the ftp repurposing is why i originally imagined he's got a web server replacement. [17:18]
mircea_popescu: which, in passing let it be said, would be pretty fucking epic. [17:18]
mircea_popescu: phf i am not creative enough, soz. [17:18]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and you laughed when i proposed to resurrect gopher!111 [17:20]
mircea_popescu: i have higher expectations of adults [17:21]
mircea_popescu: after all, you do have postbox. [17:21]
asciilifeform: but no mig! [17:21]
mircea_popescu: ya well. [17:21]
Framedragger: << i actually hate it that the emotional intensity of my frustration was much reduced by this timing! on the constructive side of things... how can one, well, streamline this? "we have the technology!!" maybe more loper-os / trilema education/outreach.. :) [17:22]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 21:55 mircea_popescu: this is all very time-convenient though. because : SEE Framedragger ? SEE ? how about now ? huh ? hm ? [17:22]
mircea_popescu: in a sane country like say 1800s turkey we'd just go to the slave markets and buy the kids who washed their eyes in preference of their mouths. [17:23]
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel [17:23]
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. [17:23]
mircea_popescu: but in present times i have nfi. [17:23]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in sane country, you wait for newton or even lomonosov to make his long, long, long walk to your lecture hall. [17:24]
asciilifeform: just like today. [17:24]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there's this phenomenon multiple people confessed to (inc, famously, pete_dushenski ) whereby trilema takes a while to read but then clicks. that while is months. getting someone to read it for months as a deliberate act seems beyond the feasible. [17:24]
asciilifeform: you do not go to shithole village to pick up random kid, no. [17:24]
mircea_popescu: ikr. [17:25]
shinohai: I read trilema for months before I ever knocked on door @ irc [17:26]
Framedragger: interestingly, i believe that i first discovered this insane asylum by reading loper-os (presumably same as gabriel_laddel). it appealed to me straight away because i could relate on a purely technical level (inasmuch as a youngling can 'relate', etc.) [also, registered nanotube's WoT key before mircea_popescu muaha] [17:28]
mircea_popescu: lol really ? [17:28]
Framedragger: yup [17:28]
mircea_popescu: pretty cool. [17:28]
asciilifeform: speaking of such folx, [17:28]
asciilifeform: !~seen adlai [17:28]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: I have not seen adlai. [17:28]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: well you did rate me "old timer" at first :p [17:28]
Framedragger: speaking of which, *of course* there's no working WoT visualizer right nao, right? ... [17:29]
asciilifeform: waiiit wat, 'have not seen' ?! [17:29]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the prognosis for loper-entrants seems to be a lot worse than for trilema entrants. as gabriel_laddel points out, you're unhinged. [17:29]
Framedragger: i can see that. [17:29]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there isn't, sadly, no. [17:29]
Framedragger: "ideologically naive", too, right [17:29]
mircea_popescu: AND WE NEED IT [17:29]
Framedragger: invoicing system would help here, too, aaand chicken and egg [17:30]
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: what country are you in? [17:30]
mircea_popescu: Jan 12 03:30:26 * gribble gives voice to Framedragger << [17:30]
mircea_popescu: that is... 2012. [17:30]
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: currently UK. originally from LT. will prob be in latter during summer [17:30]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i checked when gpg keys were registered [17:31]
Framedragger: and the latter is what i meant [17:31]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger im not disputing the claim, just, now reading my otc logs with a highliught on your name lol [17:31]
mircea_popescu: something about butt lubings. [17:31]
Framedragger: heh. fuck. [17:31]
Framedragger: oya, helped a kid. he gave me coins iirc [17:32]
mircea_popescu: !!rated Framedragger [17:32]
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated Framedragger 2 at 2016/07/10 18:38:40 << Le ssh! [17:32]
mircea_popescu: !!rate Framedragger 4 Really, he's ancient. [17:32]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [17:32]
Framedragger: :). [17:32]
mircea_popescu: !!v 6D328D6DE858B9CA8291C29771C86BAC91D0BC1BC3DB7088619766E8B4B3B16 [17:33]
mircea_popescu: ah we were so young. [17:34]
Framedragger: !!rate mircea_popescu 4 Look, I haven't made up my mind, but he is a very constructive terrorist. [17:34]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [17:34]
mircea_popescu: you have any idea what happened to vragnaroda ? [17:34]
Framedragger: bitcoin-otc paypal dealings aplenty and all that [17:35]
Framedragger: oh! hm, no. [17:35]
Framedragger: i'm trying to recall, was he a grammar nazi a bit? [17:35]
Framedragger: on #bitcoin-otc [17:35]
mircea_popescu: lol. yes, he was a grammer naxi correcteing ppls grammer 24/7 [17:36]
Framedragger: !!v 84F754743ECF4BBE14AD17AAA02AFE60E2C85E8A7C587FC6B090FC3E1CA13FFD [17:36]
deedbot: Framedragger rated mircea_popescu 4 << Look, I haven't made up my mind, but he is a very constructive terrorist. [17:36]
mircea_popescu: da fuck... my v not good enough for ye deedbot ? [17:36]
mircea_popescu: !!v 6D328D6DE858B9CA8291C29771C86BAC91D0BC1BC3DB7088619766E8B4B3B167 [17:37]
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of Framedragger from 2 to 4 << Really, he's ancient. [17:37]
mircea_popescu: "your !!v has been doublespent" [17:37]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: btw, i later wasn't much in touch and didn't follow your fallout with nanotube much. maybe there's a trilema article tho?.. [17:37]
Framedragger: heh [17:37]
Framedragger: by "much in touch" i meant, didn't spend time on bitcoin-otc [17:38]
mircea_popescu: no fallout really you mean why the bots split ? [17:38]
Framedragger: ah - was the latter the whole story? if so, fair enough. stateful vs stateless, right? [17:38]
mircea_popescu: well before that they did this stupid thing where they were going to have "standards" and whatnot with that rank imbecile gmaxwell in charge of "moderation". [17:39]
Framedragger: ohyeeeeah. shitty mod. no disagreement there. right. [17:39]
mircea_popescu: < [17:39]
phf: !#seen adlai [17:40]
a111: 2016-11-08 <adlai> has been in polling stations, more than 100 people vote in 'cities' [17:40]
mircea_popescu: anyway. basically, sjws staged a coup, got left behind, place kinda rotted away or w/e. [17:40]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah, those logs are instructive. much thanks [17:41]
asciilifeform: the only working part of jhvh1 is currently the koran quote funct, isnnit. [17:41]
Framedragger: gotcha. [17:41]
mircea_popescu: !~calc 75*22 [17:41]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 75*22 = 1650 [17:41]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty sure search was always !# also !~ is shinohai 's bot not Framedragger [17:42]
shinohai: Gotta update the google search because they rate-limit requests without an api token. [17:43]
mircea_popescu: !$hello [17:43]
scriba: Hello, world! My uptime is 10 days, 21:12:23. [17:43]
mircea_popescu: ^ only interactive scriba function as per contravex [17:43]
asciilifeform: would be useful to have a [17:44]
asciilifeform: !$whosebot [17:44]
Framedragger: i proposed. bot for bots. up the metastack we go [17:44]
asciilifeform: no, just a convention [17:44]
Framedragger: not sure if not masturbation [17:44]
Framedragger: but yeah, it is confusing a bit... [17:44]
mircea_popescu: maybe have !*daddy implemented across all of them ? "I am owned by ." [17:44]
asciilifeform: ^ [17:44]
mircea_popescu: not sure i want to put this in standard, but if people implement then maybe. [17:45]
Framedragger: well my bot at least tells you whose its daddy if you /msg scriba help :p [17:45]
mircea_popescu: possibly better like that, seeing how not all bots will necessarily be voiced. [17:45]
Framedragger: (oh wait, it doesn't actually mention daddy. will fix.) [17:45]
shinohai: !~daddy [17:45]
jhvh1: I am owned by shinohai [17:45]
mircea_popescu: so you know, add it in help output as a matter of best practice [17:45]
mircea_popescu: hehe that was quick [17:45]
phf: !#daddy [17:46]
a111: fuck off [17:46]
phf: hmm [17:46]
Framedragger: teen problems [17:46]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: it is actually nice to consider that all that paypal moneys i received for bitcoin in -otc were not chargeback'd. it's a nice feeling. but i suppose that's chiefly because 1) i hadn't done that many transactions, and 2) amounts were low... [17:50]
BingoBoingo: Oh, attention for Phuctor asciilifeform mircea_popescu [17:51]
* Framedragger just got email from kraken "Security Advisory: Mobile Phones" wherein it says that, you know, wait, your mobile phone is actually not a super secure device. maybe be more careful. lols [17:51]
* Framedragger bbl [17:52]
deedbot: << Qntra - Still Another Fork Digs Into Overcooked Ethereum [17:55]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: [17:56]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to fix my link [17:57]
asciilifeform: i have nfi what happened to it [17:57]
asciilifeform: but it points to soup [17:57]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You forgot http:// [17:58]
asciilifeform: aaah [17:58]
BingoBoingo: fxd [17:58]
asciilifeform: ty [17:58]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger hey, i paid a grand via paypal for like 60 btc back in 2012. back then bitcoin was still enjoying the benefit of not having been popularized. [17:58]
mircea_popescu: it never should have been, in retrospect, but hey. [17:58]
deedbot: << Qntra - Last Remains Of ChangeTip To Be Buried [17:58]
mircea_popescu: shinohai its company. [18:02]
shinohai: company? [18:03]
mircea_popescu: in your qntra piece, first line. [18:04]
shinohai: I read `company` [18:09]
mircea_popescu: lol [18:09]
shinohai: oh the `it's` [18:09]
mircea_popescu: aha. [18:09]
* shinohai uses aspell, which loves to replace that to my chagrin. [18:10]
shinohai: In other, worse than shinohai's journalism [18:11]
mircea_popescu: o hey, they're finally going away ? [18:11]
asciilifeform: 'A representative from Bitbank, in response to the same question, responded by linking to “A Statement from Members of the Bitcoin Community,” which announces a $1.2 million grant fund for Bitcoin protocol development. ' << lel, wai so miserly, if gonna bribe folks to shoot self in the head, oughta offer more [18:13]
mircea_popescu: or for thaty matter less. [18:13]
asciilifeform: 'The Bitcoin community and, especially, miners, now face the most important decision in Bitcoin’s existence. They are to choose between two fundamentally different visions for bitcoin’s future. Segwit, a centralized capacity increase from 1MB to around 1.7MB, or Bitcoin Unlimited, a decentralized mechanism for on-chain scalability decision making. ' << sanity not, according to this thing, on the table ..? [18:14]
shinohai: Roger Ver's latest bribe attempt. Offering 25 BTC block rewards to Venezuelan miners just didn't work. [18:14]
mircea_popescu: doh. controvarsity. [18:15]
ben_vulpes: [18:17]
mircea_popescu: foreals [18:19]
asciilifeform: woah, black d00d in a trailer?! [18:19]
ben_vulpes: a) i dunno that georgians live in anything but b) who knows if it was even 'his' [18:21]
mircea_popescu: tru pimps get hos mobile homes! [18:21]
asciilifeform: << earlier lulz linked from same rag [18:22]
ben_vulpes: << "tens of thousands!" [18:22]
mircea_popescu: lmao gtfo. [18:22]
ben_vulpes: protests now outside congress and not casa rosada so that mircea_popescu cannot debunk by stretching and walking outside [18:23]
ben_vulpes: 'protests' [18:23]
ben_vulpes: ahaha "a demonstrator disguised as santa clause gestures next to a christmas tree with signs demanding aid plans and reform bills" [18:23]
ben_vulpes: << CHRISTMAS TREE [18:23]
mircea_popescu: gimmicky as per usual. cgt affair. really more in the vein of 7-800 ppls but w/e. [18:24]
ben_vulpes: cgt? [18:24]
ben_vulpes: confederacio general trabajadores? [18:25]
mircea_popescu: yeah [18:25]
mircea_popescu: << better pic. [18:25]
mircea_popescu: anyway, they're all excited because something or the other with paperwork, various union heads finally deflated their heads enough to fit in same room or such. [18:26]
mircea_popescu: basically they're trying to get a "social emergency" declared, and have free money thrown at people "because they need it" somesuch. [18:26]
mircea_popescu: << /me currently holds a few girls who allegedly owe for their ustardian education. [18:35]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 23:22 asciilifeform: << earlier lulz linked from same rag [18:35]
mircea_popescu: needless to say, the most usg will ever collect on that is as many bullets as its agents can carry. [18:37]
phf: asciilifeform: what was the thinkpad you were saying good "except the monitor", 80 something? [18:46]
mircea_popescu: << notice whos barefoot. [18:51]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> aha. << ty fxd [18:51]
mircea_popescu: "the college debt is worse than you tihnk", aka girls being 2/3 overweight, living together, no degree after decade of "work" and obviously, all this paid for by promises that can't be kept. [18:53]
asciilifeform: phf: pretty much all of the ones mircea_popescu mentioned having [18:53]
mircea_popescu: apparently "independence" of this kind is an improvement over being naked in my dungeon. somehow. [18:53]
mircea_popescu: don't ask me how. [18:53]
asciilifeform: (e.g., x40, t40) [18:53]
asciilifeform: phf: x60 [18:53]
phf: ah, k [18:54]
asciilifeform: i would personally throw out all but x60 if it were possible to fit an ips glass into it [18:54]
BingoBoingo: << Seriously real domain. Tis where the Trumpreich appointment application lives. [18:56]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 21:12 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they seriously made that domain ? i thought was just bingo being memetic. [18:56]
phf: i think i might have two of those, but both, if i recall, kept dying for mysterious reasons.. [18:57]
asciilifeform: phf: if you 'linuxbiosed' it, it will die randomly (see thread) [18:58]
asciilifeform: re rms lying [18:58]
phf: rms famously uses cli emacs on getty, and starts x "from time to time when he needs to look at some pdfs", that he mostly prints, owing to infinite MIT staff printers [18:59]
asciilifeform: i was quite unable to do ANYTHING reliably on the thing when it lost fan control (from the linuxbiosification). possibly was just my unit ? though it had virginally clean fans, fresh grease. [19:00]
asciilifeform: sniffing around on the net revealed other folx who also tried, got same. [19:00]
phf: well, the result of staple tmsr exercise of "let me grind these lens myself, oh, wait, turns out the `sand` they use is actually cow shit" [19:02]
asciilifeform: aha. [19:02]
BingoBoingo: << Just use mircea_popescu's okcupid scripts. [19:09]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 22:03 gabriel_laddel: trinque: I even created a program to meet girls.. no dice thus yet. [19:09]
mircea_popescu: is that experience speaking ? [19:11]
BingoBoingo: << Trendy nao [19:12]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 22:06 asciilifeform: lol, mephedrone ! i had nfi it existed outside of ex-sov countries [19:12]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You meet them in Florid [19:12]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where does it come from? who makes - and why [19:12]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. Okcupid used to be a waste of time then, OMG run mp scripts and then datez. [19:13]
asciilifeform: (it is not particularly easier to produce than 'adult' meth, but is considerably weaker) [19:13]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prolly Chinese make like rest of fancy trendy drugs because market. [19:13]
asciilifeform: chinese dope in usa?! [19:13]
asciilifeform: nuttery [19:13]
mircea_popescu: lol cool [19:14]
BingoBoingo: Who makes counterfeit marijuana as mentioned [19:14]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i thought those were to get around bans [19:14]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah. Seriously most internet viagra comes from India. [19:14]
phf: asciilifeform: most likely india [19:15]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well sure, but convenience store industry isn't exactly paragon of law abidingness [19:15]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: most above-board 'generic pharma' in usa is imported from india. [19:15]
BingoBoingo: As is below board [19:15]
phf: at least that's where the bulk of ketamine came from during the, now looks like mostly over, ketamine years [19:17]
BingoBoingo: Ketamine comes from veterinarians [19:18]
BingoBoingo: path of least resistance [19:18]
asciilifeform: and bread - from the baker, lol [19:18]
BingoBoingo: And sell fat to candle maker! [19:19]
phf: BingoBoingo: i'm sure some people sourced it that way, but bulk of k came from india, straight out of factories, because at some point it was unregulated there and class whatever here [19:20]
BingoBoingo: III here, still III because allows brain surgery [19:20]
* BingoBoingo can't await the coming of vintage "protest candles" [19:21]
BingoBoingo: << OMG these people are way behind us on applying for Trumpreich appointments [19:37]
asciilifeform: 'Consideration is taken for possible conflicts of interest. Financial holdings and sources of income must be disclosed.Any conflicts must be remedied by divestiture, the creation of special trusts, and other actions.' << lel [19:50]
asciilifeform: mr. t divested yet ? [19:51]
asciilifeform: or is that only for pleberats [19:51]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Child operated blind trust. [19:52]
BingoBoingo: brb [19:54]
ben_vulpes: !!up Gaboose yo get a connection that stays up, would you? the join/part spam is entirely unnecessary. [19:59]
deedbot: Gaboose voiced for 30 minutes. [19:59]
* mod6 catches up [20:19]
shinohai: wb mod6 .... all tests from previous discussion today went swimmingly. [20:21]
mod6: cool! thanks for taking the time to work on that. :] [20:21]
mod6: i'll be putting in a bunch of testing myself this weekend. [20:22]
shinohai: my pleasure o7 [20:22]
* shinohai sighs [20:29]
shinohai: how hard is it to set up znc? [20:29]
lobbes: heh, that was the second thing I did after learning how to view a directory in non-winblowz (this is even in logs!). Not hard, but laziness most likely is the problem of Gaboose. For all we know, he is a literal dog with a smartpohne, never to be aware of this conversation [20:45]
deedbot: [21:18]
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: ^^ [21:20]
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hence the whole "i want time magazine to tell me how the shutdown relates to me" ie, "i don't want any data (ie, anything about objective reality, outside) i just want commentary, entirely baseless if possible." << haha [21:27]
mod6: << he off in like the end of '11. popped back up a time or two in early '12, iirc. [23:21]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 22:34 mircea_popescu: you have any idea what happened to vragnaroda ? [23:21]
mod6: maybe he'll stop back in one day. [23:21]
mod6: *he went off [23:21]
deedbot: << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - An exercise in WoT gambling on very, very silly timescales. [23:28]
mircea_popescu: and in today's installment of the gueto files : hanbot says to woman "nice vest, did you make it yourself ?" and the woman answers... [23:41]
mircea_popescu: "no, i found it in a plastic bag in the alley behind the hotel where i used to work." [23:41]
mircea_popescu: in all deadpan honesty, this. [23:42]
mircea_popescu: << yea mebbe. [23:47]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-19 04:21 mod6: maybe he'll stop back in one day. [23:47]
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