Forum logs for 18 Jun 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: violence actually works to resolve slavery. [00:04]
mircea_popescu: think about it : nobody is more independent minded than street urchin. why not ? nobody's got more hard knocks. [00:04]
mircea_popescu: the reason wife exposure (as discussed in say ) WORKS is specifically because the harsher the world treats her, the more independent she gets. [00:05]
mircea_popescu: "risks to undercover agents", in every fucking manual/imperial discussion/whatever since the days of edgar hoover (who didn't permit it, btw, and for this reason) is specifically that exposure to violence renders slave incapable of "readjusting" to "normal" environment. [00:07]
mircea_popescu: same thing with inca soldiers and so on. [00:07]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the den, guess why it's even called a den. [00:15]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this theory was , afaik, pretty much as tested as anything could ever be, and stood. consider how su turned to old toiletpaper just as soon as the last ww2-hardened folx retired from running it [00:39]
asciilifeform: similarly -- usa [00:39]
mircea_popescu: yeah, not much of a theory. theory in the sense theory of evolution is theory. [00:40]
asciilifeform: exactly same [00:40]
asciilifeform: 'without this, nuffin makes any sense' or how it went [00:40]
ben_vulpes: << could let teh customer manage his own, regardless do let me know if the machine in q starts misbehaving [01:37]
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-18 00:37 asciilifeform: meanwhile oh hey mircea_popescu time to reclaim yer rockchip ? ( you paid for it, iirc subscription is good through june ) [01:37]
mircea_popescu: he gets excited. [01:37]
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'll say if i need anything. [01:37]
ben_vulpes: i'd hope! [01:37]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on parquet, [01:57]
lobbes: in other news, I've finally resurrected my blog. Now coming live from the blazingly fast pizarro rockchip >> [03:53]
spyked: hey neato, lobbes! /me (re)reads. [06:54]
spyked: <-- I wonder if dood is still tuned in (maybe read-only? I know I was for more than a coupla years). kinda enjoyed the conversations back in the day. [06:57]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 02:13 mircea_popescu: this very much ~wasn't~ the first mention of bitcoin on trilema, there's earlier march and april mentions by a fellow named gheorghe [06:57]
asciilifeform: esthlos: thank you for posting your tests, i have added your page to the FG tester links. [08:44]
asciilifeform: there are now 6 published FG tests ( afaik ) . [08:44]
asciilifeform: ( if i missed somebody's, plox to write in ! ) [08:45]
asciilifeform: currently we have mod6 , danielpbarron , trinque , BingoBoingo , diana_coman , esthlos . [08:48]
asciilifeform: i find it mildly interesting ( tho entirely unsurprising ) that, year and a half after FUCKGOATS released, there still appears to be nobody else selling unwhitened trng. [08:54]
asciilifeform: whether explicable by the phobia of 'oh noez some DH stats sometimes fail' or general-purpose idiocy -- i do not know. [08:55]
asciilifeform: esthlos: 'forced trust' is a contradiction . ( but iirc mircea_popescu already described why ) [08:58]
mod6: mornin' [10:24]
asciilifeform: heya mod6 [10:24]
BingoBoingo: Morinin [10:25]
mod6: :] [10:45]
mircea_popescu: spyked unlike him, you actually have years to fuck. [10:52]
mircea_popescu: lobbes wb. how long did the setup take ? [10:53]
asciilifeform: lulzy spam. 'would require code-sharing platforms to monitor all content that users upload for potential copyright infringement' etc. [11:08]
mircea_popescu: hm ? [11:08]
asciilifeform: the fleanode link [11:08]
asciilifeform: for dedicated entomologist. [11:08]
mircea_popescu: wow, you srsly follow their blog ? [11:09]
asciilifeform: nope [11:09]
asciilifeform: oh ha mircea_popescu has fleanode spamola turned off on his console, doesn't he. [11:09]
asciilifeform: '[Global Notice] On June 20th, the Legal Committee of the European Parliament will decide on a copyright reform that could radically change copyright laws throughout the EU and have an impact on open source software. If you're in the EU please see and for more information' [11:09]
mircea_popescu: oh. [11:09]
mircea_popescu: yes, i have notices/dccs/whatever featurecreep they "updated" irc with turned off. [11:09]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you aint missing much [11:10]
mircea_popescu: it's shocking how many improvements one beenfits from not benefitting from. [11:10]
asciilifeform: it's more or less 100% lame agitprop similar to above , lately [11:10]
mircea_popescu: "if we act like it matters then it almost does" ? how cute. [11:11]
asciilifeform: modeled on the fsf agit crapola, really [11:12]
asciilifeform: 'save linux' 'save the net' 'save rms' etc. [11:12]
mircea_popescu: europe is such a lulzy shithole these days. sorta like the whiplash of its erstwhile colonies. [11:12]
asciilifeform: euroreich is where they beta test new idiocy for usa, neh. e.g. taxes on blank cd-r, etc [11:13]
mircea_popescu: "those nameless idiots in siouxland are eating turd sandwiches, so we here in paris must therefore eat turd wellington!!11" [11:13]
asciilifeform: would imho be great if this one actually happened, tho. picture, ban on shithub. [11:16]
mircea_popescu: you know that's exactly not how it'd work. [11:16]
asciilifeform: right [11:16]
asciilifeform: i still recall the 1st time i heard of an open sores thing being added to index librorum prohibitorum or whatever the derps call it nowadays. iirc was in early 2000s, some 'unauthorized' mud client, banned at the behest of blizzard co [11:18]
mircea_popescu: anyway, github is very much going the way of livehornal / slashdot. [11:18]
asciilifeform: iirc i asked ( on, laugh, slashdot ) re why there is not a 'warez p2p'-style replacement for soresforge , for pissing on bans etc. ( no prizes for guessing how many answers ) [11:19]
asciilifeform: that was actually asciilifeform's 'omfg apparently i'm a moron' moment re open sores 'culture' [11:19]
mircea_popescu: heh [11:20]
asciilifeform: 'accepting the form of argument but rejecting the conclusion' or how did mircea_popescu describe'em. [11:20]
mircea_popescu: no, this is tlp's observation. [11:21]
asciilifeform: e.g. 'we [nominally] dislike microshit but we'll obey microshit-operated 'court' system for Reasons' etc [11:21]
mircea_popescu: quite. [11:21]
mircea_popescu: the dood was a talented talk-psych, good structure of thought in his head. [11:21]
mircea_popescu: sadly, he got to operate among the "pills work!!!" imbeciles, went on the bottle. [11:22]
asciilifeform: as with all good explanatory hypotheses, this one resolved several puzzlers in asciilifeform's head in one shot (e.g. 'why did the open-whatever folx accept being corralled into soresforge to begin with' ) [11:24]
asciilifeform: ( the blizzard-offending thing, iirc , lived in soresforge, the shithub of its day ) [11:25]
mircea_popescu: there's some depth here : talk psychiatry works for intelligent people only, and even then dubiously chem psychiatry does not work, at all, except it does disorient. this is sufficient in some views, in the sense that humans can't distinguish dizzy cows from plain cows, and angry bulls are kinda scary. so it's the perfect "solution" to the problem of "unruly nigger". cheaper than the previous perfect solution (which was als [11:25]
mircea_popescu: o very medical - a dood donned a butcher's leather apron and sent gibbets flying every which way 8 hrs/day). [11:25]
mircea_popescu: obviously inca has no problem losing out the one thing that can sorta-maybe fix smart people in trouble. what it needs is something entirely else as everywhere else across the vast field of possibility. [11:26]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall reserpine, ~the~ 'advance' in early 20th c 'angry bull management', was touted 'clearing the bedlams' etc [11:26]
asciilifeform: from that point the pharma thrust became 'how do we do this and still have usable factory etc slaves, rather than simply vegetables' [11:26]
mircea_popescu: and so, the modern little lysenkos have the united-soviet government convinced of their brand of nonsense much like the others. [11:26]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh, i recall. [11:27]
mircea_popescu: hanbot btw, the ^ is involved in the large discussion re "physical exhaustion / muscle toxin buildup causes depression". [11:28]
asciilifeform: a bedlam full of 'droolers' was not only aesthetically preferred by the bedlam-keepers of the time to one full of 'screamers', but also cheaper. [11:28]
mircea_popescu: certainly. [11:28]
mircea_popescu: easier to work with, etcetera. [11:29]
asciilifeform: the old lizard dream, an equiv of broiler chicken business 'debeaking', was born. [11:29]
mircea_popescu: and then the decadents want to herp about colors and be "symbolists". [11:30]
mircea_popescu: i dunno how aware you are of all this, but here : the previous set of "holy shit, the inca's a pile of idiocy" folk deserted the leadership under the flag of "we just want to". you know ? [11:31]
asciilifeform: which set, in particular ? [11:31]
asciilifeform: ( 'resistentia prin cultura' ? ) [11:32]
mircea_popescu: no. late 1800s, it became evident, just as today, that the emperor is thoroughly naked. [11:32]
mircea_popescu: this led to a strict rejection of "modern science" and "the rational process", thereby implicitly of "modern democracy" (it was just as modern then, too) and so forth. [11:32]
mircea_popescu: intelligent people grouped about, and the grouping was named "decadence" (in french, because the world was french then). [11:33]
mircea_popescu: then sometime in the 90s there was a split : the bulk of these intelligents decided "we just want to", ie, "not interested in politics", proceeded to discuss colors, in the vein of [11:34]
mircea_popescu: "Lentement, il tria, un à un, les tons. Le bleu tire aux flambeaux sur un faux vert s'il est foncé comme le cobalt et l'indigo, il devient noir s'il est clair, il tourne au gris s'il est sincère et doux comme la turquoise, il se ternit et se glace. À moins donc de l'associer, ainsi qu'un adjuvant, à une autre couleur, il ne pouvait être question d'en faire la note dominante d'une pièce. D'un autre côté, les gris f [11:34]
mircea_popescu: er se renfrognent encore et s'alourdissent les gris de perle perdent leur azur et se métamorphosent en un blanc sale les bruns s'endorment et se froidissent quant aux verts foncés, ainsi que les verts empereur et les verts myrte, ils agissent de même que les gros bleus et fusionnent avec les noirs restaient donc les verts plus pâles, tels que le vert paon, les cinabres et les laques, mais alors la lumière exile leur [11:34]
mircea_popescu: bleu et ne détient plus que leur jaune qui ne garde, à son tour, qu'un ton faux, qu'une saveur trouble. " [11:34]
mircea_popescu: and unrelenting such idiocy. this called itself "symbolism", to dissociate itself from the terrorists. [11:34]
mircea_popescu: the leadership went on to create anarchism. [11:34]
mircea_popescu: ~this~ is the fundamental reason the tsar got killed lenin isn't so much a "bolshevik" as he is a decadent, in this proper sense : "by fucking god ima hang all of you", spoken 1890. [11:35]
mircea_popescu: moreover, this is how prinz whoever the fuck got bombed in 1914, and how everything else. [11:35]
mircea_popescu: yes, ideology, but not AT ALL the ideology retconned in place of reality cca 1960. [11:36]
asciilifeform: btw one pheature of lenin & co that gets vehehery little press these days , when folx like to point out 'he didn't overthrow , other factions did all the work' : lenin & co refused, out of principle, to participate in any 'temporary government' derpage at all. [11:36]
mircea_popescu: simply the ideology marx explicitly feared, "they'll rally around a flag saying 'mort aux cons' instead of our pantsuit preference". [11:36]
mircea_popescu: and this is, also, the deep justification of nazism. "if they actually flatten the modern democracy science & reason idiots, we don't even care if there's no more jews". [11:38]
asciilifeform: ( the only other faction that shared this pheature, were mahno's anarchists, and they came pretty close to a win ) [11:38]
mircea_popescu: which is how all the cool kids were nazi, and how come the nazis had the cool art, and so forth. [11:39]
asciilifeform: see also the mega-proverb of the eastern orcistans, . [11:39]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 04:08 asciilifeform: in other veryolds, 'you'll feel no dismay, watching your house burn, after you get to see how the bedbug dies!' (korean proverb) [11:39]
mircea_popescu: lol. [11:40]
mircea_popescu: aaannyway. the pantsuit co-opting of what originally was "fuck your broken github-based must-upgrade process" into their own stinking folds is the ultimate act of cultural appropriation. and why "the left" is "turbulent" and "self-hating". [11:40]
mircea_popescu: it's not fucking self-hating at all, lol, it's simply not a thing. [11:41]
mircea_popescu: the mammies that "just wanna" "the system" to continue "until they get their pension" are supposed to share a seat with the "fuck you all and if you all burn tomorrow it's not soon enough" smart people. duh ? [11:41]
asciilifeform: it is not difficult to corral folx who have deeply nfi what they're doing or why. just as farmer has no problem with corralling bull, despite the latter weighing 10x of him [11:42]
mircea_popescu: yes, but then the farmer seats bull at table, and spends the evening wondering why the chair doesn't seem to fit and why this fellow won't say grace with him. [11:43]
mircea_popescu: and then they keep getting humiliatingly defeated any ol' fucking time i feel like, and they "explain it". [11:43]
mircea_popescu: it's the lulz of all time. [11:43]
asciilifeform: the dumber bulls, in this model, actually agree to sit down, and try to moo out prayer, this encourages the idjit farmers. [11:43]
mircea_popescu: and in that, are they the dumber, even ? [11:44]
asciilifeform: 'mebbe i need bigger chair' [11:44]
mircea_popescu: this being the deep issue of the "rezistenta prin cultura" after all. [11:44]
mircea_popescu: looky that we ended up there too. [11:44]
asciilifeform: hm? [11:44]
mircea_popescu: what part ? [11:45]
asciilifeform: 'ended up there too' [11:45]
mircea_popescu: alf says " this encourages the idjit farmers." i ask "and in that, are they the dumber, even ?" [11:45]
mircea_popescu: this is the substance of the rtc wank in the post-war years. [11:46]
asciilifeform: i suppose it's a defensible pov, that the various 'social democrats' etc derps who agreed to 'coalition with provisional gov' , played role similar to the human bridges over barbed wire in ww2 [11:47]
mircea_popescu: it's at the very least what their lawyer entered as a plea. [11:47]
deedbot: << Qntra - Harvard Exposed Systemically Discriminating Against Asian Applicants [11:51]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the archive link 404's [11:54]
BingoBoingo: ty fxd [11:55]
mircea_popescu: in any case : the present pile of sad is the result of numerous betrayals and cowardries. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: it's not just e a blair going "oh noes, what if the indian mob laughs at my gun!!1 better wet the bed" 1920s it's not just j k huysmans going "il s'arrangea, enfin, de façon à ne pas être souvent obligé de leur parler ou de les voir. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: " 1880s because totally, that's what you have servants for, not to rule their life but to hide away cowering somewhere it's not just that ladri de biciclete clearly and plainly shows the ~exact same~ roman insulae, 1950 as 19.5 -- except thoroughly deserted of the pater familias that'd have ~been~ ~there~ in the first century. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: we could even go so far as to say that inca is the chain-of-knaves. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: an unbroken posterity of cowering cocksuckers. [11:57]
mircea_popescu: "i got better things to do than put the woman on her knees, and besides, she's loud and wet about it" etcetera. [11:58]
mircea_popescu: here's a riddle for the student of history : [12:19]
mircea_popescu: so that waffling, inept d'annunzion wanna-be, amilcare andrea, is elected by his enemies as the least dangerous among his friends. cuz that's how papal elections work, and have worked since forever. [12:19]
mircea_popescu: there are two important meetings in his new life : one is when a fellow named francesco cuccia shows him the way of his country the other is when a fellow not named schicklgruber shows him the way of his fancy. [12:19]
mircea_popescu: it is clear to the dork that he has to pick one, and notwithstanding his very model comes to life for him to warn against following the former (in the uncertain terminology of "you'll end up germans' bootblacks"), nevertheless he doesn't pick reality. because he can't pick reality, because he's a ghost not a person. [12:19]
mircea_popescu: now try and construct a thought process explaining mussolini's choice in ~any other terms~ than the foregoing, i wish to see it. why exactly did he not say "o boy, i am so impressed, the government is henceforth to be formed exclusively from among the sicilian men of honor" but instead said "o boy, i am so impressed, the government is henceforth to be formed exclusively as per german orders" ? [12:19]
asciilifeform: blair, just possibly, actually grasped it, 'All three of the great dictators have enhanced their power by imposing intolerable burdens on their peoples. Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people ‘I offer you a good time,’ Hitler has said to them ‘I offer you struggle, danger and death,’ and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet.' [12:28]
asciilifeform: 'The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers tin pacifists somehow won’t do' etc [12:29]
asciilifeform: << shit-ocr of sores [12:31]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sicily didn't much care for il duce's 'star topology' nonsense. hence 'german orders' not 'men of honour' [12:33]
asciilifeform: re upstack, see also [12:35]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 20:40 mircea_popescu: you're not going to reproduce the former by the latter just like you're not going to lure my slavegirls away by promising to be "a good sensitive guy with a great sense of humor". [12:35]
asciilifeform: in this model the 'surprise' of france, baltics, whoever, spreading wide for their traditional prussian rapist, suddenly evaporates. what surprise. [12:37]
asciilifeform: 'pleez, pleez make it thicker, and with moar spikes' [12:38]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform question is, why did the duce care. [12:39]
asciilifeform: e.g. latvia, today possibly the moar pathetic of the nato clitlicker poodles, less than century earlier spread wide for lenin, to the point that he hired the entirety of his leibstandarte there [12:40]
mircea_popescu: yes, but see, that women welcome rape is one thing. that the boi pretending to some kind of superhumanity in the nitschean vein does so while dressed in garters and pigtails is the wonderment. [12:41]
mircea_popescu: why pretend you're "superwoman" ?! it makes no sense WHATSOEVER. [12:41]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: duce , as i understand, was aiming for startopoligical throne, rather than primus inter pares among sicilian mob or the like [12:42]
mircea_popescu: and then of course, to cherry the cocktail, pretend you're all about ~reason~ hurr. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well if that's what he was aiming for the german bootlick approach is even less comprehensible. [12:42]
asciilifeform: the derpage re 'reason'(tm)(r) afaik hit the pause button in those days [12:42]
mircea_popescu: notrly. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: i mean in some places, like iran or w/e, actual theological approaches were fielded. but in yurp it was still mostly a matter of burgeois thought, aka "reason" [12:43]
mircea_popescu: and "englightment", "progress", "future", the whole enchilada. [12:43]
asciilifeform: for all the 'wave of conquest' of germany, the germans themselves made very questionable mongols. observe that they ended up outsourcing good chunk of the wetwork to local orcs ( city-boi ss grunts went 'shell shocked' from executions ), derped around with gasenwagens 'to make cleaner' etc [12:45]
mircea_popescu: and consider also the makework angle, it's fucking beautiful. so german-italy, as a thoroughly nosnese piece of fanfic/wank, needs some sort of something to hold it together. what do they pick ? oh, eritrea! which they can't do, but need german airplanes etcv for (and still can't do). meanwhile sicilian-italy'd have had no such problem at all, THEY don't need eritrea for anything. [12:46]
asciilifeform: btw who recalls ~poland~ derping around in '30s , 'we want colonies too!' , demonstrations in streets with d00dz in (yes) cork helmets, etc [12:46]
mircea_popescu: somehow the imaginary kingdom of sardinia CAN very much conquer all of italy but the very real kingdom of sicily ? no WAI omfgbbq!!! how could something ~real~ occur! [12:47]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this whole discussion suddenly explains the difficulty of noobs showing up. when asked who they are, the block is "i dunno how to communicate MY DREAMS to you". duh. [12:47]
asciilifeform: 'try having different dream, which actually makes sense' apparently dun satisft. [12:48]
asciilifeform: *satisfy [12:48]
mircea_popescu: it's an un~reasonable~ demand. the ~reason~ it's a dream is so it dun make sense. [12:48]
mircea_popescu: if they started making sense, even a little, where would they be ? [12:48]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: difficult to hang anything on theology in 20th c europistan, given how they rm -rf / 'd their theological backbone [12:52]
asciilifeform: possibly in the new,improved!11,mohammedo-europiliphate, has another shot. [12:52]
mircea_popescu: possibly. [12:54]
asciilifeform: ( just possibly, the 'migrant' program has an aim outside of 'prop up demographic' ) [12:54]
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that islam's been retarded for a long, long time. they had a brief culturalization period under the (mostly, disinterested) turks, but otherwise they periodically prune the tinking folk (say, persians). [12:55]
asciilifeform: retarded, but sat out the 'reformation' derpery. [12:55]
mircea_popescu: the 30 yo virgin is no promise of chastity. [12:55]
asciilifeform: troo [12:55]
asciilifeform: could picture this as restoring from old, worm-eaten backup tape. [12:56]
asciilifeform: 'help, we accidentally rm -rf / our civilization' [12:57]
mircea_popescu: just about. [12:58]
asciilifeform: upstack, italy et al were , as i understand, fucking around with cargo cult version of 'we too want british empire', sorta how 500yr earlier HRE derped with 'we want roman empire' [13:00]
asciilifeform: cargo cult output makes 0 sense other than in light of the picture of the orig subject of imitation, airplane, brit empire, etc [13:00]
mircea_popescu: looks more like "we too want to eat cake, but not using mouth." even if they manage to shove some cream up butthole, it still won't taste that good. [13:02]
deedbot: << Bingo Blog - Language Acquisition And The Perception Thereof [13:02]
mircea_popescu: which is ~precisely~ what they did. the only way to have an empire is by empowering the empire builders, which at the time in italy were sicilians. trying to "we too empire" without the earlier described maneuver is exact identity with trying to eat cake but not use mouth. [13:02]
mircea_popescu: "oh, roma colon can also". sure. look how well it worked, shit everywhere! [13:03]
BingoBoingo: The only result or Italian Imperial aspirations was convincing Ethiopia they "R REEL impire 2" [13:03]
mircea_popescu: ikr ? started a whole pile of wank down there, also. [13:04]
mircea_popescu: kinda how present day ustards get all sorts of orcs hot and bothered. [13:04]
BingoBoingo: They WAZ KANGZ! [13:05]
mircea_popescu: amusingly, a bunch of subnormal "usians of color" actually bought this nonsense. [13:06]
BingoBoingo: Not just bought. They LIVE this [13:06]
mircea_popescu: i suppose ye old advice re sausage factory... [13:07]
BingoBoingo: Haiti was a promised land, etc [13:07]
mircea_popescu: "if you like your counterfit identity, i recommend you don't look into how it was produced". [13:07]
mircea_popescu: in other news BingoBoingo maybe it's time you try cervantes. it's much better in original. [13:08]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa, they'll buy just about anyffing, e.g. black pharaoinic egypt etc [13:08]
mircea_popescu: gil blas also, and generally their medieval productions. [13:08]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, that's almost 100% whore/stripper fare, the "ancient pharaonic nigger" wank. [13:09]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was thinking about that actually. Get into the language before it was split by the Empire days. [13:09]
mircea_popescu: pro tip : southerners in egypt cca 3k years ago lived exactly like southerners in us cca 200 years ago : it was presumed they were someone's slave as a matter of course, because how else beast in city. [13:09]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Pyramid Space Ships are a bonafide religious belief of the "Nation of Islam" [13:10]
mircea_popescu: this inanity nearly soured me to might&magic series. fucking 6th episode features some spaceship pyramid thing massively. [13:14]
* asciilifeform recalls this [13:14]
mircea_popescu: then they did the "crystal" bs and it actually soured me, on the 9th. [13:14]
mircea_popescu: it's such a sad property of 90s video games that the further in, the less effort per square foot. endless straight corridors and bs. [13:15]
BingoBoingo: [13:15]
mircea_popescu: democracy kills. [13:15]
BingoBoingo: [13:16]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's transparently a case of "we optimize for average player", imo. if they figure out 90% of time-spent-playing by a playerbase that averages 30% completion is in the first 10% of the game, therefore they'll aim to spend 90% of resources to make that first 10%. [13:16]
mircea_popescu: fucking backwards as it can be. [13:16]
mircea_popescu: The essence of this meme is when black people say things like ‘We wuz kangz while you wuz in caves!‘ << he's apparently ignorant enough to quote proper source. [13:17]
mircea_popescu: this was disraeli, pm, responding to some jewhate wank fashionable at the time. [13:17]
BingoBoingo: ESL is a curse, especially when WikiBritain keeps redirecting their Fritzchip articles to TPM wank [13:18]
mircea_popescu: heh [13:19]
BingoBoingo: Alf blowback killed the wikipedo Fritzchip article [13:20]
mircea_popescu: hm ? [13:21]
BingoBoingo: Wikipedia before alf published his cr50 expose had an article on Fritzchips. Now it doesn't [13:21]
BingoBoingo: Instead it redirects to "Trusted Platform Module" [13:21]
BingoBoingo: I though we already lolled over this in chan here [13:22]
BingoBoingo: I haven't investigated the wikipedo timestamps for this perversion [13:26]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see also [13:29]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-11 14:37 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the entomological pit : >> 'I've deleted most of the article. The information here is already presented in a more up-to-date fashion at Trusted Computing, which is the correct title for the technology. "Fritz-chip" was never more than a moniker used by critics of the technology put forth by Sen. Hollings. The article now represents this fact. Warrens 23:24, 29 April 2006 ( [13:29]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: long prior to cr50 [13:29]
asciilifeform: they unhappened it when tpmism became a fact in x86dom [13:30]
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell shinohai << Since you don't have comments, Moors are a specific kind of black people. [13:30]
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. [13:30]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AH [13:30]
BingoBoingo: !!up SoldierOfFortune [13:30]
deedbot: SoldierOfFortune voiced for 30 minutes. [13:30]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or , rather, as part of the microshit-orchestrated tpm concert that was set to begin playing in '07 or so [13:30]
BingoBoingo: SoldierOfFortune: WHo is your daddy and what does he do? [13:30]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: observe, said concert was masterfully played, they introduced ~harmless/desolderable 'pretty plz store keys in this?' infineon thing in x86 mobos, while quietly building in wholly independent intel/nic rootkit etc [13:49]
asciilifeform: idea being, give fsf, eff, etc derps something to drool over, while the troo action is quite elsewhere. [13:50]
asciilifeform: in re cr50 -- if anybody's puzzled re why they put this level of effort into locking down what is essentially a less-popular, bulkier ipnoje -- it's a beta test for bleeding edge of their pc fritz ( the latter, reportedly already in service in google-built serverz in datacentres ) [13:51]
asciilifeform: ( re infineon -- anybody who was dumb enuff to actually generate a key with it, got fucked to death last summer, even if he dun realize it yet. this, too, Unhappened. ) [13:52]
asciilifeform: !#s infineon [13:53]
a111: 26 results for "infineon", [13:53]
asciilifeform: would take approx 3-6 mo. on dulap to break a summer-2017-and-prior infineon-generated key . [13:53]
asciilifeform: ( << subj ) [13:55]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-17 05:59 jurov: "The flaw resides in the Infineon-developed RSA Library version v1.02.013, specifically within an algorithm it implements for RSA primes generation. " [13:55]
asciilifeform: << this reminds me of an old puzzler of mine : do the french still drink coffee with their arse ? or did that go out of fashion [14:02]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 17:02 mircea_popescu: looks more like "we too want to eat cake, but not using mouth." even if they manage to shove some cream up butthole, it still won't taste that good. [14:02]
asciilifeform: !#s coffee enema [14:02]
a111: 2 results for "coffee enema", [14:02]
asciilifeform: i'm almost surprised it hasn't become standard in usa. devil knows, ameri-coffee is clearly not fit for mouth. [14:03]
asciilifeform: bitter, burnt liquishit, really 'starbucks' ought to be re-equipped for sending it to correct orifice. [14:04]
phf: asciilifeform: americans are uncomfortable with own butts. "enema" is a european concept that only freaky health nut anorexic girls are into.. [14:09]
phf: their solution to shit coffee is putting milk and syrups (see also "bulletproof coffee"), kind of like the solution to poor soil and bad farming practices is to put "dressing" on vegetables [14:12]
asciilifeform: phf: aha, corn syrup added to ~errything 'edible', for this reason [14:12]
asciilifeform: see also, the use of refrigeration ( plus ultra-pasteurization, see the milk thread ) as substitute for hygiene. tell an american that his ancestors did not need to refrigerate eggs, he'll laugh in your face, 'impossible' [14:13]
asciilifeform: or how meat gets , as matter of routine, an elephant dose from electron gun ( or, sometimes, co-60 ) , 'or unsafe to sell' [14:14]
asciilifeform: ... so wat if it's full of pyrolysis products, can't not pack the cattle into feedlots, etc For Reasons [14:15]
asciilifeform: ( speaking of which, a meat processing plant would be a great cheap place to hold experiment ... ) [14:16]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 16:48 asciilifeform: and i'm still curious what an elephant-killing dose of gamma would do to the cr50. [14:16]
asciilifeform: phf: mouth-watering coffee in BingoBoingo , btw quite drinkable with 0 sugar and minimal/no cream [14:19]
asciilifeform: *in BingoBoingostan [14:19]
asciilifeform: i suspect -- on pretty much whole globe minus usa. [14:20]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: are people selling the "nitro cold brew on tap" perversity in your area yet? [14:21]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: of course [14:22]
asciilifeform: tastes pretty much same, possibly even gunkier, than the standard one [14:22]
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that even if you venture outside of shitbucks et al, you get ~same pseudoedible crud. because 'customer expects', i gather. so they -- make. [14:23]
ben_vulpes: well and also industrial food production pipeline optimized to crap out same five products everywhere. [14:26]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: right, but i observed same shitcoffee even in 'independent' shops where e.g. bean fryer machine is clearly visible [14:26]
asciilifeform: they... copy shitbux [14:26]
phf: asciilifeform: they burn the seeds, and then overbrew the drink, and it's exactly that "come to expect". girl worked in a coffee shop, but having been exposed to good coffee she brews it "soft", and lots of people complained that it's "watery". of course there was also a group of european expats that religiously came every morning [14:26]
ben_vulpes: burn the beans because "more flavor", which burns the caffeine off, which demands mas grounds for same "lift" escalator to shitsville [14:27]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'exam takers' [14:28]
ben_vulpes: phf: is "seeds" a ru-ism or are "beans" an usgism [14:28]
phf: ben_vulpes: i couldn't remember the correct en word and punted [14:29]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ruism [14:29]
phf: i think ruism would be "grains" [14:30]
phf: although seeds also works, yes [14:30]
asciilifeform: well, iirc in fr they are also grain [14:30]
asciilifeform: just like in ru [14:30]
asciilifeform: in de, en, ro iirc beans. [14:30]
ben_vulpes: seed actually far more correct [14:30]
asciilifeform: phf: re 'it's watery' , iirc we had a related thread about how prohibition turned usa into a country of rotgut drinkers, for whom the ~only important bit is 'strong', with sugars etc added as required [14:33]
phf: خوانسار تنباکو [14:55]
phf: (that was entirely unrelated to conversation, i'm just using it to get a transliteration out) [14:57]
hanbot: << are you for fucking real? what you're actually saying: "i just got back" = "fuck all y'all." "what was the" = "i can't be bothered to read, so how about you read for me and lay a ribbon-tied summary at my feet like i could be you and you could be my slavegirls and work for me!" "exact reason i was negrated" = "and don't bother me with the details, i dun gas, i just want to know how to exam take this th [15:19]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-17 18:54 douchebag: mircea_popescu: I just got back, what was the exact reason I was negrated? [15:19]
hanbot: ing." [15:19]
hanbot: don't imagine the kneejerk retort of it "wasn't intentional" is going anywhere. it was intentional, you're the degree of moron whose intentions are hidden from "himself", assuming we'll pretend there's a "yourself" to be hidden from in the first place. which we mostly don't. isn't this beautiful, he magicallly knows how everything goes, even how to sort things, starts with the fuck you, everything. just as long as it's pro-inca, 'cause being a re [15:20]
hanbot: publican is fuckin' impossible. inconceivable! [15:20]
hanbot: !!rate douchebag -3 Pretentious exam taker that won't read to save his life. [15:21]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [15:21]
hanbot: !!v 70C558622C5B725961A6CE7391E8B20A669E950A38E00EF88F547BDFE632E2D1 [15:23]
deedbot: hanbot rated douchebag -3 << Pretentious exam taker that won't read to save his life. [15:23]
mircea_popescu: oh, he was talking at me ? [15:31]
* mircea_popescu regrets that family problems have unfortunately prevented him from reading those portions of the logs added by douchebag [15:32]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho you didnt miss much [15:33]
mircea_popescu: rarer the other way, neh. [15:33]
mircea_popescu: << quite so. [15:40]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 17:51 asciilifeform: in re cr50 -- if anybody's puzzled re why they put this level of effort into locking down what is essentially a less-popular, bulkier ipnoje -- it's a beta test for bleeding edge of their pc fritz ( the latter, reportedly already in service in google-built serverz in datacentres ) [15:40]
mircea_popescu: << that ain't ever going away. [15:41]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 18:02 asciilifeform: !#s coffee enema [15:41]
mircea_popescu: spritz enema mp's harem mainstay also. [15:41]
mircea_popescu: << this is so. [15:42]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 18:09 phf: asciilifeform: americans are uncomfortable with own butts. "enema" is a european concept that only freaky health nut anorexic girls are into.. [15:42]
mircea_popescu: << this solution, ftr, was invented in ww2. easier for usarmy baggage train to handle hfcs than coffee. [15:43]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 18:12 phf: their solution to shit coffee is putting milk and syrups (see also "bulletproof coffee"), kind of like the solution to poor soil and bad farming practices is to put "dressing" on vegetables [15:43]
mircea_popescu: << this inanity is fucking hysterical. castor oil coffee ? [15:48]
mircea_popescu: midway in the page, [15:50]
mircea_popescu: << not down here. an' it kinda shows. [15:58]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 18:14 asciilifeform: or how meat gets , as matter of routine, an elephant dose from electron gun ( or, sometimes, co-60 ) , 'or unsafe to sell' [15:58]
mircea_popescu: << nah, you should see what germans do to it. it's something out of literature, they scour the globe buying up the best grades anyone is willing to sell, then take it home and fuck it. [15:59]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 18:20 asciilifeform: i suspect -- on pretty much whole globe minus usa. [15:59]
mircea_popescu: contemporary german hates coffee like his granpa hated jews. [16:00]
mircea_popescu: << should see the faces of mongols when they discover what "chorreado" means. [16:01]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 18:26 phf: asciilifeform: they burn the seeds, and then overbrew the drink, and it's exactly that "come to expect". girl worked in a coffee shop, but having been exposed to good coffee she brews it "soft", and lots of people complained that it's "watery". of course there was also a group of european expats that religiously came every morning [16:01]
mircea_popescu: << boabe. beads. [16:02]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 18:30 asciilifeform: in de, en, ro iirc beans. [16:02]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in serious perversion, (you get the little slavegirl toys adequate, rite) [16:05]
asciilifeform: lol! [16:09]
asciilifeform: re coffee -- asciilifeform's pet to this day salivates when remembering the coffee in ~timis airport~ machine ! [16:09]
asciilifeform: << i almost then went 'so why not they simply drink hfcs + caffeine' then remembered 'coca cola' etc [16:14]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 19:43 mircea_popescu: << this solution, ftr, was invented in ww2. easier for usarmy baggage train to handle hfcs than coffee. [16:14]
mircea_popescu: indeed. [16:14]
asciilifeform: ( which is ~that~ plus some phosphoric acid to spur on thirst, so konsoomer drinks yet moar of the sludge ) [16:14]
asciilifeform: << afaik irradiations, ultrapasteurizations, all related atrocities, exist only in 'must feed massive concentration of office plankton' leprosoriae. so no, i dun expect that it happens in cr. [16:18]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 19:58 mircea_popescu: << not down here. an' it kinda shows. [16:18]
mircea_popescu: nah, they have the tetrapak milk here. for some reason they don't understand milk. [16:31]
asciilifeform: << interestingly, it dun un-base64 to anyffing like plain text [16:59]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 19:50 mircea_popescu: midway in the page, [16:59]
asciilifeform: prolly ciphered eggog [16:59]
asciilifeform: ( who does this, and why.. ) [16:59]
asciilifeform: this is somethin' new and lulzy, not even microshit does this afaik [17:00]
asciilifeform: << i suspect that just about all 'failure to thrive' , whether end in neg or not, can be reduced to 'refused to read the logz' [17:03]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 19:19 hanbot: << are you for fucking real? what you're actually saying: "i just got back" = "fuck all y'all." "what was the" = "i can't be bothered to read, so how about you read for me and lay a ribbon-tied summary at my feet like i could be you and you could be my slavegirls and work for me!" "exact reason i was negrated" = "and don't bother me with the details, i dun gas, i just want to know how to exam take this th [17:03]
asciilifeform: i.e. 'hi i am goat and i expect this to work just like all goat pens i've sat in' [17:03]
asciilifeform: refusal to 'rtfm' -- the one truly mortal sin. [17:06]
mircea_popescu: rather, "i expect you to adapt to me". or, to quote the freshest social media cunt, "I'd have to provide a lot of terms and conditions". because... totally, what, democracy and shit. [17:31]
* asciilifeform misread 'adopt me' lol [17:33]
mircea_popescu: lol [17:34]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in backwardsness, [17:34]
asciilifeform: somehow it never occurs to the lulznovice to contemplate what the 'monastery' would be like if it were to actually do this, to 'adapt to' whatever is in each new dumb kid's cockroach basket he walks in with [17:35]
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ? it'd be like github, neh ? [17:36]
mircea_popescu: like college, neh ? [17:36]
mircea_popescu: like "politics", at least the "just the facts" version jewmedia put on their collegiate github page. [17:37]
mircea_popescu: EVERYTHING WORKS THAT WAY!!1 [17:37]
mircea_popescu: mcdonalds/walmart adapt to the exact needs of each customer coming in! ask them! and if this adaptation isn't obvious to you, it's because they are already perfectly adapted as they are. ask them! [17:38]
mircea_popescu: and so on. [17:38]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, to unite those other threads, there is ~a reason~ simulated culture, be it in the shape of "trained" bacteria or "trained" "expert systems" or whatever else "unlearn faster than they learn". [17:46]
mircea_popescu: not having the mechanism that can say no, they end up "adapting to newcomers" which reduces total culture quotient in the system. [17:46]
mircea_popescu: the exact equivalent of "give more people the vote". [17:46]
asciilifeform: aha, or see also the membranes discussion [17:57]
asciilifeform: re 'expert systems' -- the ones that did ~not~ try to 'learn' -- in some cases worked pretty well. [18:17]
asciilifeform: ( but , not being 'sexy', not much press on these in current times ) [18:18]
trinque: phf, Mocky, and others waiting on cuntoo, the genesis.vpatch which contains only the ebuilds necessary for a minimal system is about 4mb. [19:08]
trinque: obviously this is far into "difficult to meat-verify" territory, so what I'm working on is a set of instructions such that another can produce the same genesis.vpatch himself. [19:09]
trinque: we'll have a clear chain of custody back into ye olde gentoo, and from there can continue to digest the turd. subsequent vpatches should only ever contain one ebuild plus that ebuild's deps. [19:11]
trinque: opening this up for discussion now in case anyone thinks the approach is batshit. [19:11]
asciilifeform: trinque: this is potentially pretty neat [19:47]
asciilifeform: trinque: and betcha the 4MB will eventually melt into 1, or below. [19:47]
asciilifeform: e.g. trb genesis , weighed ~900K , not so far. [19:48]
asciilifeform: << pretty lulzy , '...the inclusion of a “personality” component in evaluating applicants... ...traits included in “personality” were: “humor, sensitivity, grit, leadership, integrity, helpfulness, courage, kindness and many other qualities.”' [19:52]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 15:51 deedbot: << Qntra - Harvard Exposed Systemically Discriminating Against Asian Applicants [19:52]
asciilifeform: 'Outgoing Harvard University president Drew Gilpin Faust tried to pre-empt the news in an e-mail sent to Harvard alumni and “friends”: In the weeks and months ahead, a lawsuit aimed to compromise Harvard’s ability to compose a diverse student body will move forward in the courts and in the media. As the case proceeds, an organization called Students for Fair Admissions—formed in part to oppose Harvard’s commitment to divers [19:53]
asciilifeform: ity—will seek to paint an unfamiliar and inaccurate image of our community and our admissions processes...' [19:53]
trinque: I'm thinking I can probably shave a meg or two, conservatively. current script naively snarfs whole ebuild dir, and not just the particular version of ebuild used [20:02]
asciilifeform: trinque: imho your approach is the correct one -- similar to , first pin down , then -- shaving. [20:03]
trinque: idea is v-portage becomes the primary portage repository for the system. ebuild porter can bolt in gentoo's portage as an overlay, should be very easy [20:03]
trinque: aha, cribbing from the wise [20:03]
trinque: same sort of "found item" here, warts and all [20:04]
asciilifeform: this is The Right Thing. [20:04]
asciilifeform: ( at some later point we can contemplate such luxuries as depythonization, say. ) [20:04]
* trinque brb, errand [20:08]
mod6: trinque: very cool! [21:07]
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