Forum logs for 17 Dec 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
asciilifeform: to the point there is a 'science', it's a box o' heuristics, not magical substitute for errything-incl-priors [00:00]
mircea_popescu: rather, a "retelling of old games of scientific method". [00:00]
mircea_popescu: but it bears repeating : there stands, and well respected for good cause, an century old result of science that shows there can not be such a thing as an explicitly consistent system. [00:01]
mircea_popescu: goedel directly says, "science is just one text and necessarily no complete". that this is not equivalent with "irigaray is better than average milkmaid" is true, but also who the fuck cares about irigaray enough to put her name in this. [00:02]
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-31-may-2017#2289207 << see also re goedel [00:03]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-31 16:28 asciilifeform: and if someone wants to mention godel etc -- ethical engineer MAY NOT cite godel, EVER, just as a police detective MAY NOT cite the supernatural and admit a hypothesis of miraculous theft from a safe [00:03]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you say "function that has derivate in every point" in englisch ? [00:04]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'differentiable' [00:05]
mircea_popescu: oh. [00:05]
asciilifeform: ( at least so it was in asciilifeform's kindergarten ) [00:05]
mircea_popescu: i was using "continuous" to people's confused disbelief. apparently continuous just means "has value for all x in interval" [00:05]
asciilifeform: 'continuous' usually is 'is defined for each point' [00:06]
mircea_popescu: total waste of a fucking word. that's wtf the domain is there for. [00:07]
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the upstack, the "science tries to [...] silence all hedonistic and rebellious dissent against it" nonsense is a sad misread of history by people who really should know better. yes it's true that for a while scientists were also puritans, as a religious inclination. [00:19]
mircea_popescu: this happened because the minimalistic religion of the time appealed to people "who just wanted to", and really didn't see why they should pay court to napoleon when there were volumes to measure say. [00:20]
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, there's nothing fundamentally scientific about retarded anglo-neoprotestantisms nor anything fundamentally retarded anglo-anything about science. [00:21]
mircea_popescu: so no, the male phalic supremacy opressing all others, especially stupid women and dumb ethnos isn't going away and it certainly won't permit the leverage of this "but we like to fuck and disagree!!!" tool to unhinge it [00:21]
mircea_popescu: that's what i'm fucking here for. [00:21]
ben_vulpes: in other possibly stale lols, heathen wallet denominates in millishitcoinz [00:30]
mircea_popescu: iirc that always was there. [00:32]
ben_vulpes: inneresting [00:32]
mircea_popescu: o look, we run aground again! [00:47]
mircea_popescu: "An important role of prices in free markets is to convey information about individual needs and preferences in a world of seven billion people who can each see only a very small part of it. A while ago, a poster elicited fawning oohs and aahs in the progressive blogosphere by pointing out how absurd it is to go through all the steps needed to make a plastic fork instead of using a metal fork and washing it afterwards. Indeed [00:48]
mircea_popescu: , the way free market prices allocate resources can often be counterintuitive and seemingly unfair for some English major with tiny knowledge but big visions of how she would completely reorganize the entire world as the central planner [aka, http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/#selection-35.0-47.226 's the bare-tit-floor-washers], letting them beclown themselves by calling the free [00:48]
mircea_popescu: market more "inefficient" compared to central planning led by "smart" people. It is certainly amazing how technology and commerce allow mass production of plastic spoons to be sold for three cents apiece, well worth the time and convenience they save me." [00:48]
mircea_popescu: let's try and understand this : running a house without a bipedal dishwasher, either in personam or as the role only, to be filled by whichever of the available persons according to some (arbitrary, male-oppressive-phalocentric, etc) criteria results in the situation where you gotta pay 3 cents whenever you use a fork. what has been saved ? [00:49]
mircea_popescu: ikka does not want to discipline NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE woman, let alone her sisters and offspring. he just wanted to science!! [00:50]
mircea_popescu: is this supposed to pass for sense now ? [00:50]
mircea_popescu: seems to me the tiny knolwedge afflicts he who should stfu and do a better job of world domination. [00:50]
mircea_popescu: anyway, that i record protest only should not be construed in a negative view of the man. on the contrary, he has many good points chief among which the systematic deployment of the view that whatsoever the pantsuit claim to think, believe, etcetera has absolutely no direct value, and is no more meaningful than the finch's call. the finch doesn't MEAN something by the noise it makes it merely intends for other finches to be [00:59]
mircea_popescu: able to locate it easily, and exactly same for pantsuit. they picked "gay" to worship because it's relatively cheap and easy and ineffectual (as in it dundu nuffin, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750998 re this) -- because there's virtually no gays as such. [00:59]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:25 mircea_popescu: consider : what makes a bad penis ? that you can rub it all you want and STILL it won't spit out. but what makes a good cunt ? that you can pound it all you want and STILL it won't in any way change. [00:59]
mircea_popescu: ~same with blacks, they picked blacks over latinos simply because there's fewer of them, which isn't to say this is any kind of mental process, of course. the moth didn't pick light "because", in any sort of moth-personal sense, it just got picked for it by the workings of matters external. [00:59]
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, "bla bla gay marriage" means exactly nothing other and above "wanna go for a beer ?" [01:00]
mircea_popescu: in a sense taking the garbage pouring out of pantsuit mouth as such and trying to engage it on merits is not unlike the fool of old, looking at the hand that pointed at the moon. [01:02]
ben_vulpes: now if only there were anything to talk about over beer but gay marriage [01:03]
mircea_popescu: there's some fundamental alienation at work in the german lands, of which england is a sad, marginal, forgotten island (of which colonies are ... all a sort of sadder wales). have you ever seen Aus Dem Leben Der Marionetten ? [01:04]
trinque: on the matter of women serving men, it's been real nice having the one in household finding various delicious liquid foods to serve up while my wisdom tooth holes mend. [01:04]
trinque: what the hell's wrong with it? girl's been glowing over getting to do so. [01:04]
mircea_popescu: trinque well, many things are wrong with it. for instance, plenty of girls never encountered a male centered enough to be able to manifest for. [01:05]
mircea_popescu: the resultant neurosis is ~80% of the whole "liberal-progressive" ethos. [01:05]
trinque: aha [01:06]
mircea_popescu: amusingly, you'll be surprised how many MEN are in the same position. [01:06]
mircea_popescu: most "couple trouble" among college-educated esl readily reduce to "two subbies tired of their bitter arguments over who has to dom for the evening". [01:07]
ben_vulpes: such a sad thing, the rejection of hierarchy. [01:07]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes Aus Dem Leben Der Marionetten < ? [01:07]
* trinque cuts checks to a dude that does some basic software support [01:07]
trinque: couple years of me screaming and he's by now almost an adolescent [01:07]
mircea_popescu: heh [01:07]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: never seen it [01:07]
mircea_popescu: it's a fundamental statement of the problem, i'd say unavoidable. rich "software engineer" of the 70s (ie, architect, like those guys in the swiss pornos always seemed to be, recall?) goes off his rocker and kills a woman. [01:08]
mircea_popescu: compare and contrast with eg. il merlo maschio, same topic but in the olive oil lands of southern europe, and suddenly some kind of fundamental problem becomes more than evident. [01:08]
mircea_popescu: something in the cold, windy sky drying people out inside. [01:09]
mircea_popescu: ie, yes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748753 may well be the case but meanwhile i suspect the north actually invented madness. [01:11]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory [01:11]
mircea_popescu: and so no... there isn't anything to talk about over beer or over anything else. just look away with empty eyes. [01:12]
ben_vulpes: when i ran a small coeterie of staff the steel spine of our success was the chain of command from whence sense and marching orders came, and everyone's utterly clear understanding of where they stood [01:13]
mircea_popescu: i expect. [01:14]
ben_vulpes: american democracy is a miserable thing, demanding that there be one boss (the state) and all subservient to it without ever acknowledging their subservience. [01:15]
* ben_vulpes bbl, a deserving lady has a christmas movie i'm not grinching about for once [01:16]
mircea_popescu: enjoy [01:17]
mircea_popescu: lol, "end prison sex seggregation". that'd be a show. [01:21]
mircea_popescu: within a half year you'd end up with a little traditional village within the walls. practically say (pre war) syria, or ukraina. reconstructed, at great expense. [01:22]
mircea_popescu: "Once we get rid of the social construct that men are physically stronger than women, little girls will surely grow up to be just as strong as men. We can already see glimpses of this future utopia of equality in many junior sports events where a 12-year-old girl competes with 12-year-old boys and wins!" [01:23]
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/12/17/the-elusive-jumping-jew-and-other-unorthodox-pre-taxidermic-fauna-native-to-maui/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The elusive Jumping Jew and other unorthodox pre-taxidermic fauna native to Maui. [01:49]
mircea_popescu: !!up gue oops too late. [04:18]
deedbot: gue voiced for 30 minutes. [04:18]
mircea_popescu: aand in other news, "What is the lowest IQ that allows some person to write a peer-reviewed paper that proves that IQ is meaningless? Another curious paradox that I noticed was how the anti-IQ camp fears that acknowledging the existence of IQ would result in some people being classified as "subhuman" and treated accordingly. However, every single time that I have actually seen somebody being called a "subhuman", this has [04:20]
mircea_popescu: come from the anti-IQ side! In other words, members of the anti-IQ camp simultaneously believe that on one hand, everybody is an equally valuable human, but on the other hand, those who deny this, even by a tenuous implication, are subhuman." [04:20]
mircea_popescu: this suddenly clarifies a lingering... not quite disagreement i wouldn't say, but something or the other with asciilifeform re iqs. i don't credit the concept at the upper bound -- saying this guy is smarter than this other guy because 138 > 133 is a very dumb way of approaching the matter or othersise stated, IQ > 100 is entirely meaningless. [04:21]
mircea_popescu: at the dumb end of the spectrum, however.. o ya. iq 88 is very much ahead of iq 83, and painfully evidently so. under 100, maybe even 120 or so, it DOES put a very strict upper limit on what people can do. [04:22]
mircea_popescu: this view neatly explains both why mensa is fulla failures and why there's not that many iq 69s writing papers about how meaningful iqs are. [04:24]
mircea_popescu: !!up lu wtf. [04:24]
deedbot: lu voiced for 30 minutes. [04:24]
mircea_popescu: aaand in other pravda lulz, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/12/13/men-charged-in-terror-plot-to-kill-muslims-want-trump-voters-on-their-jury/ [04:30]
mircea_popescu: aaand in further http://trilema.com/2015/the-squares-and-the-holes/#selection-343.240-343.263, ilkka k : when a woman has to fuck but "doesn't want to" then "no means no" but when a man has to give up his income but "doesn'rt want to" then "taxation is necessary for the good of everyone & society etc bla bla". [04:54]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752680 << i dun recall ever disagreeing with this: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1541407 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-09#1428213 , and elsewhere [09:53]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 09:22 mircea_popescu: at the dumb end of the spectrum, however.. o ya. iq 88 is very much ahead of iq 83, and painfully evidently so. under 100, maybe even 120 or so, it DOES put a very strict upper limit on what people can do. [09:53]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 21:07 asciilifeform: aha. and so it looks like this is a replay of the iq thread - it is quite impossible to specify 'smart', but trivial to specify stupid impossible - good fuck, easy to describe a useless one the list of horrible food is easy to make (start with, say, asphalt) but not so of tasties etc [09:53]
a111: Logged on 2016-03-09 22:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'iq' WORKS for identifying stupidity [09:53]
asciilifeform: as 'iq tests' were used 100yr ago, worked great . i.e. on ~small children~, who don't train for it or expect it and worx fine for sorting folx into the 4 basic buckets, [09:56]
asciilifeform: say, 'tards who need caretakers/gasenwagen', 'tards who need tard trainers, can be made employable', 'normal folx', 'people worth teaching booklearningz' [09:57]
asciilifeform: !!up trobin [09:58]
deedbot: trobin voiced for 30 minutes. [09:58]
asciilifeform: grr [09:58]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [10:05]
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asciilifeform: ohai BingoBoingo [10:06]
asciilifeform: how's bananistan [10:06]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752635 << possibly we had this thread but... what exactly is wrong with mechanical dishwashers ? [10:10]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 05:49 mircea_popescu: let's try and understand this : running a house without a bipedal dishwasher, either in personam or as the role only, to be filled by whichever of the available persons according to some (arbitrary, male-oppressive-phalocentric, etc) criteria results in the situation where you gotta pay 3 cents whenever you use a fork. what has been saved ? [10:10]
asciilifeform: they work pretty well, to the point that asciilifeform sees dwellings where one aint installed, as roughly similar to ones with outdoor latrine [10:11]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So far so god, aside from a critical structural failing banana'd into the hostel... [10:11]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: waiwat [10:11]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Rain revealed the roof's pitch on the hostel is bowl shaped [10:12]
BingoBoingo: As in there is now a pool over the center of the building ~3.5 cm deep at its deepest. [10:13]
asciilifeform: dun sound like much [10:13]
BingoBoingo: Well, flat roof pulls double duty as deck [10:14]
BingoBoingo: Other tenants y staff don't seem to be panicking, so it's anthropology time. [10:16]
BingoBoingo: The pooling would have gone unnotice by myself if it wasn't for the right side of my bed being where water slowly leave the roof for the building interior. [10:20]
BingoBoingo: But the colombians here this weekend have been tremendous help with the spanish. [10:21]
BingoBoingo: Brb, tengo que ir a la feria! [10:21]
shinohai: Disfrutalo BingoBoingo ! [11:33]
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752699 << surely the point was "female(s) dedicated to upkeep of the house and male in it" and not which devices ya own. [12:25]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 15:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752635 << possibly we had this thread but... what exactly is wrong with mechanical dishwashers ? [12:25]
mircea_popescu: !!up iangeker [12:42]
deedbot: iangeker voiced for 30 minutes. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: !!up tro hm [12:42]
deedbot: tro voiced for 30 minutes. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752690 << aha, quite. i dunno if we ever actually formally discussed the item, just vague "is iq a thing or not" [12:45]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 14:56 asciilifeform: as 'iq tests' were used 100yr ago, worked great . i.e. on ~small children~, who don't train for it or expect it and worx fine for sorting folx into the 4 basic buckets, [12:45]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752691 << sadly and to everyone's despair, bucket 3 went away sometime in 1993. there is ~0 utility for prole in postmodern world. female may make great slave/breeder, as per ye olde http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/ but otherwise, nobody needs a "worker" today for anything. [12:49]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 14:57 asciilifeform: say, 'tards who need caretakers/gasenwagen', 'tards who need tard trainers, can be made employable', 'normal folx', 'people worth teaching booklearningz' [12:49]
mircea_popescu: considering how bucket 4 was never really more than a % or two and how bucket 3 was a good 40% of humanity (about 80% of it male)... this is a social shock, to say the least. [12:50]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752699 << depends. what exactly is wrong with car ? "if you use it to leverage your effort, nothing. if you use it to never fucking walk on your two legs, ie, try and REPLACE your effort, pretty much everything starting with coronaries." [12:51]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 15:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752635 << possibly we had this thread but... what exactly is wrong with mechanical dishwashers ? [12:51]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752701 << this is silly, especially considering the discussion (washing ~one fork!!~) is specifically about the so-amply-discussed-it's-almost-a-term-of-art bad angle for washing machine. seriously, you expect me to fire up the whole cubometre machinery to wash one fork ? or what, is the one plate from today going to wait 2 weeks to be washed until there's like a third of a load ? nonsense. [12:53]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 15:11 asciilifeform: they work pretty well, to the point that asciilifeform sees dwellings where one aint installed, as roughly similar to ones with outdoor latrine [12:53]
mircea_popescu: leverage, yes replace, no. bitch washes dishes as part and parcel of her staying sane rather than taking off into lalaland. [12:53]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752713 << dun even have to be female. there is such a thing as a "house mother" that's usually an old fag in the sort of "artist communities" composed of gay males as found all over... well, seattle and sf, mostly. but anyway, item exists and proven-to-work. [12:56]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:25 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752699 << surely the point was "female(s) dedicated to upkeep of the house and male in it" and not which devices ya own. [12:56]
mircea_popescu: in fact the pink elephsecret re "halfway houses" is that someone noticed cca 1960 HOW exactly gay communities work when they do, attempted to apply methodology to solving problem of the state (criminal poverty / criminal addiction), with ~some~ success. [12:57]
mircea_popescu: not that much but way the fuck more than is common for a state-run state-idea. [12:57]
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/17/my-reference-code-shelf/ << Ossasepia - My Reference Code Shelf [13:00]
shinohai: Nice article diana_coman, a "reference code shelf" *is* vey good idea. [13:33]
diana_coman: cheers shinohai [14:14]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-disambiguation-of-laughter/ << Trilema - The disambiguation of laughter [15:47]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752726 << the part i dunget is , why is the '1 fork' scenario contemplated at all ? are washing machines a waste because 'whole cubometre, you say, for 1 sock' ? for instance asciilifeform has 0 problem filling regular-sized dishwasher in <1day , and that's with 3 meals and a crew of only 2 . [15:57]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752701 << this is silly, especially considering the discussion (washing ~one fork!!~) is specifically about the so-amply-discussed-it's-almost-a-term-of-art bad angle for washing machine. seriously, you expect me to fire up the whole cubometre machinery to wash one fork ? or what, is the one plate from today going to wait 2 weeks to be washed until there's like a third of a load ? nonsense. [15:57]
asciilifeform: why wouldja 'wash 1 fork' ? [15:57]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752724 << unlike walking in fresh air, washing dishes by hand has 0 whatsoever to recommend it. it's busywork, plain and simple, like ru recruits painting snow white and grass green. [15:58]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752699 << depends. what exactly is wrong with car ? "if you use it to leverage your effort, nothing. if you use it to never fucking walk on your two legs, ie, try and REPLACE your effort, pretty much everything starting with coronaries." [15:58]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752719 << did discuss, in detail, see earlier links [15:59]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752690 << aha, quite. i dunno if we ever actually formally discussed the item, just vague "is iq a thing or not" [15:59]
* asciilifeform aficionado of subj, has a shelf full of ancient tests from various authors and periods [15:59]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752721 << the 'errything roboticized, robo-cabbies driving robo-repairmen to their sites' item is an sv hallucination. none of these items exist, or threaten to , for so long as there are pipes and plumbers there is a role for iq100 folx [16:01]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752691 << sadly and to everyone's despair, bucket 3 went away sometime in 1993. there is ~0 utility for prole in postmodern world. female may make great slave/breeder, as per ye olde http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/ but otherwise, nobody needs a "worker" today for anything. [16:01]
asciilifeform: nobody's roboticizing the auto mechanic, either. or 9,000 others. [16:02]
asciilifeform: ( and before anyone mentions 'modern mechanic reads debug codes' -- yes he does, and then spends 5hrs disassembling the greasy, sooty whatevers, to get at $part, just like 100yrs ago. ) [16:03]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752723 << bucket3 (i.e. 'normals') was -- definitionally, and now as then -- 68% , i.e. +/- 1 sd . [16:05]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:50 mircea_popescu: considering how bucket 4 was never really more than a % or two and how bucket 3 was a good 40% of humanity (about 80% of it male)... this is a social shock, to say the least. [16:05]
asciilifeform: it dun move. [16:05]
asciilifeform: thinkaboutit. [16:05]
asciilifeform: i suppose if you colour its bottom half 'high functioning tards', it's 34 . but idea is that test is only really accurate to 1sd [16:06]
asciilifeform: ( so somebody who ranked -1sd on a bad day may well score dead center , the next , etc ) [16:07]
asciilifeform: and it's sumthinglike 70-80% female, not male. [16:07]
asciilifeform: ( consider who occupies ~100% of both tard farm and university maths dept ) [16:08]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752728 << possibly we had this thread... [16:09]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:53 mircea_popescu: leverage, yes replace, no. bitch washes dishes as part and parcel of her staying sane rather than taking off into lalaland. [16:09]
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640167 and elsewhere ) [16:10]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi [16:10]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752733 << this is neato [16:21]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 18:00 deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/17/my-reference-code-shelf/ << Ossasepia - My Reference Code Shelf [16:21]
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indiancandy1: dude [17:35]
indiancandy1: shno [17:35]
indiancandy1: do u ever reply on twitter [17:35]
indiancandy1: i have been trying to find u [17:35]
indiancandy1: where the hell u been kid [17:35]
shinohai: Mah twitter got suspended [17:35]
shinohai: But, there is this place, called the tmsr, nearly always here ..... :) [17:36]
shinohai: !!up Dekker3D [17:36]
deedbot: Dekker3D voiced for 30 minutes. [17:36]
indiancandy1: tmsr [17:36]
indiancandy1: ? [17:36]
indiancandy1: i couldnt find u on skype either [17:36]
indiancandy1: oh hey daniel [17:37]
mircea_popescu: o hey, look who's here. [18:43]
mircea_popescu: how goes gollywood ? [18:43]
mircea_popescu: !!up indiancandy1 [18:44]
deedbot: indiancandy1 voiced for 30 minutes. [18:44]
indiancandy1: omg [18:56]
indiancandy1: mp [18:56]
indiancandy1: my fave [18:56]
indiancandy1: how are we [18:57]
trinque: !!up BigTexasBingo [19:08]
deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes. [19:08]
trinque: omg culture appropriation!!11! [19:08]
BigTexasBingo: Gracias, while hacer poopoo, hade a day with a suburban girl for Thursday night [19:08]
BigTexasBingo: Y lol at indiancandy's ourselfism [19:09]
BigTexasBingo: Trinque nick on this device was set up for Houston airport [19:09]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-most-chauvinist-serene-order-of-the-holes-gloriouses/ << Trilema - The Most Chauvinist Serene Order Of The Holes Gloriouses [19:10]
indiancandy1: i read ur peice on credit cards mp [19:11]
indiancandy1: interesting [19:11]
BigTexasBingo: Hecho poopoo, ciao [19:11]
mircea_popescu: we are good! [19:24]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752737 << laundry is dry dishes are wet laundry is light, dishes are heavy in terms of dirt -- if you ever fish as much oil out of a shirt as out of a plate you oughta see a doctor. consequently laundry keeps better than dishes. [19:26]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 20:57 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752726 << the part i dunget is , why is the '1 fork' scenario contemplated at all ? are washing machines a waste because 'whole cubometre, you say, for 1 sock' ? for instance asciilifeform has 0 problem filling regular-sized dishwasher in <1day , and that's with 3 meals and a crew of only 2 . [19:26]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752740 << so ? toenail painting just as much busywork. [19:27]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 20:58 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752724 << unlike walking in fresh air, washing dishes by hand has 0 whatsoever to recommend it. it's busywork, plain and simple, like ru recruits painting snow white and grass green. [19:27]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752745 << iq 100 is group 2, not group 3. [19:27]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 21:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752721 << the 'errything roboticized, robo-cabbies driving robo-repairmen to their sites' item is an sv hallucination. none of these items exist, or threaten to , for so long as there are pipes and plumbers there is a role for iq100 folx [19:27]
mircea_popescu: group 3 is "walmart grocery bagger", and no use for those. [19:27]
mircea_popescu: !!up indiancandy1 [19:28]
deedbot: indiancandy1 voiced for 30 minutes. [19:28]
indiancandy1: i read ur peice [19:28]
indiancandy1: on credit cardsinteresting [19:28]
mircea_popescu: which pence did you read ? [19:28]
indiancandy1: how people trust creditcard [19:29]
indiancandy1: and not crypto curncyy [19:29]
mircea_popescu: link ? [19:29]
indiancandy1: when its stil a digital wallet [19:29]
indiancandy1: i dont have it i read it the other day [19:30]
mircea_popescu: ic. [19:30]
indiancandy1: yea [19:30]
indiancandy1: digital wallets [19:30]
indiancandy1: shino [19:31]
indiancandy1: mp u must be very happy [19:31]
mircea_popescu: whysasat ? [19:31]
indiancandy1: coz [19:31]
indiancandy1: the world is now learning about btc [19:32]
indiancandy1: its evrywhere [19:32]
indiancandy1: news [19:32]
indiancandy1: radio [19:32]
indiancandy1: evry1 is talkin bout it [19:32]
indiancandy1: the price has sky rocketed [19:32]
mircea_popescu: eh, what do i care about this world. [19:32]
indiancandy1: i regret selling myne [19:32]
indiancandy1: well ur geting richer [19:32]
indiancandy1: im sure when u first got into it [19:33]
indiancandy1: u didnt predict this [19:33]
indiancandy1: or did u [19:33]
mircea_popescu: of course i did. [19:33]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752809 + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752810 << insta-lol [19:34]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 00:27 mircea_popescu: group 3 is "walmart grocery bagger", and no use for those. [19:34]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 00:28 mircea_popescu: !!up indiancandy1 [19:34]
mircea_popescu: :) [19:34]
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 o hey, remember when you didn't want to write on your tits, cuz "too little" ? [19:35]
mircea_popescu: what was it, 0.1 btc ? [19:35]
indiancandy1: exactly [19:36]
indiancandy1: i sold the for 80 euro [19:36]
indiancandy1: im si could be drinkin coffee with u [19:36]
indiancandy1: sad* [19:36]
indiancandy1: in argentina [19:36]
indiancandy1: now im making 14k usd a month [19:36]
indiancandy1: and getin taxed half [19:36]
indiancandy1: shocking [19:36]
indiancandy1: and then converting to pounds [19:36]
indiancandy1: im left with 5k [19:36]
indiancandy1: a month [19:36]
indiancandy1: :( [19:36]
mircea_popescu: !!up indiancandy1 [20:00]
deedbot: indiancandy1 voiced for 30 minutes. [20:00]
mircea_popescu: im not in argentina, i'm in costa rica. [20:00]
indiancandy1: ohokay [20:01]
indiancandy1: when u goin romania [20:01]
indiancandy1: stop by [20:01]
mircea_popescu: i dunno. [20:01]
indiancandy1: london [20:01]
mircea_popescu: eh, london blows. [20:01]
indiancandy1: are ur fam in romania? [20:02]
mircea_popescu: yeah [20:02]
indiancandy1: bucha [20:02]
indiancandy1: ? [20:02]
mircea_popescu: nah, transylvania [20:02]
indiancandy1: damn [20:03]
indiancandy1: related to vladmire? [20:03]
indiancandy1: wouldnt be suprised [20:03]
mircea_popescu: lol. possibly... [20:03]
indiancandy1: i knew it [20:03]
mircea_popescu: o by the way, i checked out some indian films recently. [20:03]
mircea_popescu: THEY SUCKED! [20:04]
indiancandy1: fuck that [20:04]
indiancandy1: fuck them [20:04]
indiancandy1: i dont compromise [20:04]
mircea_popescu: like, "3 idiots", you kjnow that ? [20:04]
indiancandy1: i thought i could [20:04]
indiancandy1: but i cant [20:04]
indiancandy1: i cant do it [20:04]
indiancandy1: s i left [20:04]
indiancandy1: yea i wathed it [20:04]
indiancandy1: long ago [20:04]
indiancandy1: like it? [20:04]
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck is that adam sandler wannabe Aamir Khan schmuck ? [20:04]
indiancandy1: heard its a rip off though [20:04]
indiancandy1: yea they riip off american movies [20:05]
indiancandy1: and japanese [20:05]
mircea_popescu: no, i didn't like it. it's fucking offensively terrible. [20:05]
indiancandy1: and indianize it [20:05]
mircea_popescu: so what do you work in for 15k a month ? [20:07]
indiancandy1: cam girl [20:07]
indiancandy1: its 14k [20:07]
mircea_popescu: ah. [20:07]
indiancandy1: usd [20:07]
indiancandy1: but they take half man [20:07]
indiancandy1: i swear [20:07]
indiancandy1: it hurts [20:07]
mircea_popescu: yes well. [20:07]
indiancandy1: it is what it is [20:07]
mircea_popescu: pimp gonna pimp. [20:07]
mircea_popescu: !!key indiancandy1 [20:08]
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/a886215d072240c8d8632da8564f4d7daeea5571.asc [20:08]
mircea_popescu: o hey. [20:08]
mircea_popescu: did you see trinque made a bitcoin wallet now and everything ? [20:08]
indiancandy1: i need to create a new id [20:09]
indiancandy1: on here [20:09]
indiancandy1: to join wot again [20:09]
indiancandy1: and get new info [20:09]
indiancandy1: so i dont need to getvoice al the time [20:09]
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with that one ? [20:09]
indiancandy1: shino said [20:09]
indiancandy1: there is no other way [20:09]
indiancandy1: i have to create a new 1 [20:09]
mircea_popescu: did you lose your key ? [20:09]
indiancandy1: yea [20:09]
mircea_popescu: dork. [20:10]
indiancandy1: cant i reclaim? [20:10]
mircea_popescu: nope. [20:10]
indiancandy1: okay [20:11]
indiancandy1: wellim gona creata new one [20:11]
indiancandy1: it wil be [20:11]
indiancandy1: .... [20:11]
indiancandy1: do u kno my name [20:11]
indiancandy1: lol [20:11]
mircea_popescu: shakti something wasn't it ? [20:11]
indiancandy1: sofia [20:11]
indiancandy1: is my real name [20:11]
indiancandy1: sofiababy works [20:12]
mircea_popescu: you know what that means in teh original language ? [20:12]
indiancandy1: wisdom [20:12]
indiancandy1: im greek [20:12]
indiancandy1: duh [20:12]
mircea_popescu: o hey. [20:12]
indiancandy1: philosophy baby [20:12]
mircea_popescu: lol i see. [20:12]
indiancandy1: no wonder im borderline genius [20:12]
indiancandy1: loool [20:12]
mircea_popescu: !!up da-gambl427 [20:13]
deedbot: da-gambl427 voiced for 30 minutes. [20:13]
da-gambl427: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETrltagc: candi_lustt whaack lobbes deedbot robbinhood scriba yangwao shinohai manamex _whitelogger gribble mats mircea_popescu jurov asciilifeform lobbesbot davout Valfor spyked tb0t iangeker pete_dushenski punto barpu [20:13]
mircea_popescu: lol [20:13]
da-gambl427: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETwwbhkzuhim: barpub mod6 aegis _whitelogger Kev ang-st indiancandy1 iangeker jhvh1 ben_vulpes candi_lustt TomServo scriba deedbot ave1 kanzure hanbot RagnarDanneskjol a111 kjj trinque lobbes davout webbyz pete_dushenski mats lobbesbot tb0t spyked jurov gribble mircea_popescu manamex adla [20:13]
da-gambl427: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETrlxpetmqpk: ben_vulpes punto manamex candi_lustt BingoBoingo ang-st jurov yangwao indiancandy1 scriba gribble davout pete_dushenski Cory asciilifeform tb0t lobbesbot trinque shinohai whaack Kev han [20:13]
mircea_popescu: !!down da-gambl427 [20:13]
mircea_popescu: !~google da fuck is an lrh [20:14]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: What the fuck is Scientology ? : scientology - Reddit: <https://www.reddit.com/r/scientology/comments/31s3x3/what_the_fuck_is_scientology/> Reporter Goes Ghetto "WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT" - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DgilNVgB19zM> LRH pictures you've probably never seen before | Page 2 | Why We ...: (1 more message) [20:14]
mircea_popescu: mmkay. [20:14]
phf: "The l0de radio hour is a long-running live call-in show that irregularly broadcasts over the internet, and to pirate shortwave and FM stations. It is hosted by Lode Ray Dio, a gypsy hustler with a long history of fraud, grifting, and treason. The show is notable for its frequent cancellations, obscene and bizarre content, and a high rate of listener suicide." [20:18]
mircea_popescu: not a bad fit, but the guy is going ass-backwards about it. [20:19]
indiancandy1: whose on the [20:20]
mircea_popescu: more of the same old http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-registrar/ story of failure to cater to the elite in the blind quest to chase the nobodies. [20:20]
phf: ought to be invitide™ [20:20]
indiancandy1: someone sent me the link [20:20]
indiancandy1: who is it [20:20]
mircea_popescu: phf hm ? [20:20]
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 rando spammer. [20:20]
indiancandy1: gypsy? [20:20]
phf: asciilifeform: will update all the thing, motherbored finally gave out on the main machine so taking some time to get my infrastructure in order [20:20]
mircea_popescu: don't believe everything you read especially not online. [20:21]
indiancandy1: k im gona create a new id [20:22]
indiancandy1: on hereit wil be sofiababy [20:22]
indiancandy1: how do i get a key again [20:22]
indiancandy1: sorry [20:22]
indiancandy1: dont hate me [20:22]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1752014 [20:23]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 17:04 mircea_popescu: http://www.eulorum.org/Account_Setup << ad-interim "how to set up a key" guide. [20:23]
phf: this l0de show is now trolling all the people who showed up from the mass advertisement and raging in the youtube live stream section. i'm away from internet for one day, come back it's the same amount of shitshow [20:23]
phf: meanwhile, homebrew, the mac os x package manager, finally pulled the final bate and switch. "build from source" option is now marked as "unsupported" (!!!) in the man pages, everything's being pulled using precompiled archives. building a non-trivial set of packages from source fails along the way with clearly misconfigured formulas. this is possibly of interest only to ben_vulpes (?) [20:25]
phf: mircea_popescu: i was saying we should invite him, but i realized that was stupid as soon as i said it [20:29]
mircea_popescu: he can consider self invited. [20:29]
mircea_popescu: phf it's bait btw. [20:31]
mats: lel, i tuned in a couple weeks ago after spam in another chan - weev was brought on and proceeded to rave about using btc to place shorts on papa johns stock [20:32]
mircea_popescu: anything but shit that works, huh. [20:32]
mats: and then using his aryan brotherhood pals to pimp the corp [20:33]
mircea_popescu: vaguely reminiscent of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748707 [20:34]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 14:45 mircea_popescu: in other shit you'll never believe, ukr chickie dun wanna costa rica because "prefers milder climates". "20 is too hot for her"! [20:34]
mats: from the looks of his unfinished room, none of that happened [20:37]
mircea_popescu: in other news, here's another thing teh republic wants to hire : an exceptional orfevre. [20:37]
* mircea_popescu is thinking of actually starting a chivalry order. [20:37]
phf: we're finally going full knight templar? [20:39]
mircea_popescu: well... [20:39]
mircea_popescu: what the hell is wrong with it, some nice gold swag [20:39]
* phf wouldn't mind having one of those oversized, drafty castles where you have to run a fireplace to heat one room out of 20 (or was it 30? we've lost count during last inspection, etc.) [20:42]
mircea_popescu: so far we're only talking oversized lapel pins [20:43]
phf: eh, i'm not picky [20:45]
cazalla: g'day folks [20:47]
mircea_popescu: how's pollacklands [20:47]
cazalla: yet to step foot there, still waiting on my citizenship and passport [20:49]
mircea_popescu: a [20:49]
cazalla: know much about whisky mp? bought myself a $500 bottle, bit disappointed, not sure what i expected or if scammed lol (26yr old glenfiddich) [20:50]
mircea_popescu: i despise grain alcohols. [20:50]
mircea_popescu: but if one has to, vodka. wtf is whis whiskey bs. [20:50]
cazalla: nigger rich! [20:50]
cazalla: figured why not, once doesn't hurt, not gonna double down and get the 30 yr old [20:51]
mircea_popescu: sure. [20:51]
mircea_popescu: i regularily buy the 30yo rum [20:51]
mircea_popescu: very much worth it. [20:51]
mircea_popescu: course here you can actually get it in bars. [20:51]
cazalla: i bought a bottle of that reserva, was nice, i still prefer bundy rum (although the one i like can't be bought now) [20:52]
mircea_popescu: !!up sofiababy [20:52]
deedbot: sofiababy voiced for 30 minutes. [20:52]
sofiababy: has no one updated [20:52]
sofiababy: this thing [20:52]
sofiababy: the instructions on how to create a key [20:52]
sofiababy: it seems somethings a slightly different [20:53]
mircea_popescu: how ? [20:54]
sofiababy: it used to say certficate [20:55]
sofiababy: now it says keys [20:55]
sofiababy: which is fine [20:55]
sofiababy: im not that stupid [20:55]
sofiababy: i was jus saying u need to update it [20:55]
sofiababy: who ever created in [20:55]
sofiababy: anyway im half way [20:55]
sofiababy: on creating [20:55]
cazalla: where do you cam sofiababy ? [20:55]
sofiababy: my gateway [20:55]
sofiababy: mfc [20:55]
cazalla: try twitch? [20:56]
sofiababy: yeai did i used to play ps4 [20:58]
sofiababy: thereu dont make half [20:58]
esthlos: mircea_popescu: i apologise for disappearing. I was in meatspace this weekend [20:58]
sofiababy: im havin an issue [20:58]
sofiababy: can someone help me [20:58]
sofiababy: im stuck on [20:58]
esthlos: mircea_popescu: you can find some work at http://www.esthlos.com [20:59]
sofiababy: In your task bar, right click on the Kleopatra icon, go to ‘Clipboard’, then click ‘Certificate Import’ [20:59]
sofiababy: it isnt an option [20:59]
sofiababy: certificate import isnt an option [20:59]
sofiababy: areyou a gamer cazala [20:59]
shinohai: O hai cazalla [21:00]
esthlos: mircea_popescu: my thesis is probably the most interesting. [21:00]
cazalla: sofiababy, no, stopped watching twitch after it was inundated with gamer girl camwhores, but i read they do well sparking up league of legends, chatting to virgins and getting them to donate to their patreon [21:01]
cazalla: shinohai, heya shinohai [21:01]
sofiababy: im not sure how much twitch take [21:01]
sofiababy: they dont do they [21:01]
sofiababy: u have to use paypal i guess [21:01]
asciilifeform: holy FUQ the gigatonne of 3-syllable-per-line liquishit in this log [21:01]
sofiababy: i play gta [21:01]
mircea_popescu: o cool lessee [21:02]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform womenz in da haus. [21:02]
phf: cazalla: what'd you think of 46yr glenfiddih compared to their 12yr etc. stuff? i've had a variety of vintages, and i can't for the love of me feel ~that~ much difference. meanwhile a difference between a 10 and 40 year port is very tangible [21:03]
mircea_popescu: tangy-ble lol [21:03]
sofiababy: whiskey? [21:03]
phf: mircea_popescu: :] [21:03]
sofiababy: i dont drink [21:03]
sofiababy: when i did [21:03]
sofiababy: i did drink glenf [21:03]
mircea_popescu: o you did ? [21:03]
mircea_popescu: cazalla phf all your questions are answered i presume ? [21:03]
mircea_popescu: in other esthlos-powered insta-lulz, "I wish to God these calculations were executed by steam..." [21:04]
phf: heh [21:04]
* mircea_popescu recalls somewhat fondly old days of "put the model in and wait a few hours for to find out how you fucked it up this time" [21:05]
cazalla: phf, 26yr excellence was nice, but maybe i built it up in my mind to be something other given its cost, i'd be just as happy to drink the 18 or 15 tbh, not that i drink much at all these days anyway [21:05]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you'd luvvvv pcb design-manufacture loop. asics even moar. [21:05]
mircea_popescu: esthlos i take it you read naggum's overfinnicky in parts, overloose in other parts time essay ? [21:06]
asciilifeform: ( replace 'hours' with 'months' ) [21:06]
mircea_popescu: oya. [21:06]
asciilifeform: and if you merely long for the days of 8 hour compiles -- will luvv large fpga wurk. [21:06]
mircea_popescu: maybe fondly wasn't the exactly right word. [21:06]
asciilifeform: lol [21:06]
mircea_popescu: something more in the vein of delighted relief. [21:06]
sofiababy: meh =[ [21:07]
sofiababy: kleopatra dont like me [21:07]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform phf https://arxiv.org/abs/1408.2499 << check him out [21:07]
mircea_popescu: !!rated esthlos [21:07]
deedbot: mircea_popescu has not rated esthlos. [21:07]
asciilifeform: oh hey, a new german maths d00d ? [21:07]
asciilifeform: ( where did we put the old one.. ) [21:08]
mircea_popescu: !!rate esthlos 1 WRT lulz. [21:08]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kEWUz/?raw=true [21:08]
esthlos: mircea_popescu: I haven't see that of naggum's [21:08]
esthlos: mircea_popescu: spacetime is my main field of study [21:09]
mircea_popescu: (forlulz : item he discussed is called "chern-simons" by anglos because exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#700916 ) [21:09]
a111: Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. [21:09]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have an entire collection of these somewhere [21:09]
esthlos: mircea_popescu: but not what the field theorists do. they can go to hell [21:09]
mircea_popescu: as does everyone. [21:09]
asciilifeform: ( su-originated items, in particular, 'rebranded' ) [21:10]
mircea_popescu: esthlos so what's your take on the imminent quantum computer in a thousand words or less ? :D [21:10]
phf: cazalla: nod, i in fact befriended a guy who has the largest whisky collection on the east coast (an old texan drunk), and despite sampling a large variety, i'm just going to stick to bottom shelf [21:10]
mircea_popescu: esthlos http://naggum.no/lugm-time.html it was iirc [21:10]
* asciilifeform finds himself in agreement with phf , ~all reasonably-clean distillates taste ~same to him [21:11]
mircea_popescu: if it's not made from fruit, it'd better be 99%'d and then diluted back down. [21:12]
phf: mircea_popescu: that one is a purely technical paper on details of code implementation for calculations with civil time [21:12]
mircea_popescu: "The Long, Painful History of Time" ? [21:12]
phf: yes [21:12]
cazalla: in other news, what is with hookers talking about their fkn kids [21:12]
phf: if you're reading it, it's for you [21:12]
cazalla: one burmese bitch even starting complaining she couldn't do as many men as some of the other girls [21:13]
asciilifeform: ^ [21:13]
mircea_popescu: phf wut are you talking aboot ? [21:13]
mircea_popescu: i mean sure it gets to computer implementations halfway through... [21:13]
sofiababy: cazala u crac me up [21:14]
sofiababy: its a trick maybe [21:14]
sofiababy: to get sympathyy [21:14]
sofiababy: and sympathy means cash [21:14]
mircea_popescu: esthlos jesus christ could your items not be pdfs for the love of things not sucking. [21:14]
mircea_popescu: also pinet.* is 404. [21:14]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf's summary is entirely troo, naggum's item was about time ~units~, zones, seasons. rather than physical concept. [21:15]
mircea_popescu: naive perception thereof, i guess. anyway. [21:15]
asciilifeform: people-stuck-actually-implementing-clocks perception. [21:15]
mircea_popescu: then again, the notion that a perception of time might not be naive is a pretty tough argument in the first place. [21:16]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what else ? [21:16]
asciilifeform: nuffinelse, that was whole item [21:16]
mircea_popescu: what-else-can-be-a-naive-perception-of-time-than-trying-to-build-clocks [21:16]
asciilifeform: aaa hm [21:16]
asciilifeform: for the lack of any contact with 'expert perceptions of time', i'll leave this item where it is [21:17]
mircea_popescu: well, you don't like modern physics. [21:17]
asciilifeform: i'm ok with sr/gr [21:18]
esthlos: asciilifeform: yes [21:18]
mircea_popescu: but let me point out a cheval that various investigations in the nature of the number cca 1700s were equally ill regarded. [21:18]
asciilifeform: waiwat which yes [21:18]
mircea_popescu: the ANTERIOR yes, yes ? [21:18]
phf: yes? [21:18]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752974 << 'macports' iirc still worx [21:19]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:25 phf: meanwhile, homebrew, the mac os x package manager, finally pulled the final bate and switch. "build from source" option is now marked as "unsupported" (!!!) in the man pages, everything's being pulled using precompiled archives. building a non-trivial set of packages from source fails along the way with clearly misconfigured formulas. this is possibly of interest only to ben_vulpes (?) [21:19]
esthlos: asciilifeform: wrt sr/gr [21:19]
esthlos: quantm field theory is a mess, everyone just wants to be the next einstein, no one cares about understanding what is going on [21:19]
mircea_popescu: this sounds shocking and unexpected. [21:19]
mircea_popescu: anyone recall that great scene where tom green "Saves the day" at the maternity ward ? [21:20]
phf: asciilifeform: i've been trying to build "mpv", a video player that notoriously relies on a lot of shit packages. i've actually tried homebrew over netbsd's ports, because later fails to build mpv that actually works on mac. now so does homebrew. i'll try macports, but i doubt it'll deliver [21:20]
esthlos: the quantum path integral is a farce, even dirac said we need to start over [21:20]
mircea_popescu: "i guess they just DON'T LIKE HEROES AROUND HERE!11" [21:20]
asciilifeform: esthlos: i tuned out when 'serious' people started talking about 'testability and parsimony aren't mandatory' [21:20]
esthlos: my thesis is about a rigorous approach...which only works in 3D... sigh [21:20]
mircea_popescu: what's this mean, "only works in 3d" [21:21]
esthlos: mircea_popescu: as to quantum computers, I don't know a whole lot about quantum, but i believe that an information-theoretic approach to spacetime is the best bet to quantize it [21:21]
mircea_popescu: oh i see. [21:22]
mircea_popescu: "The Chern–Simons theory, named after Shiing-Shen Chern and James Harris Simons, is a 3-dimensional topological quantum field theory of Schwarz type, developed by Edward Witten." << wikipedia fucking delivers. [21:23]
esthlos: mircea_popescu: its almost a joke of the universe that 4d manifolds are almost impossible to classify https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_manifolds#Dimension_4:_exotic [21:24]
mircea_popescu: "the us economy, named for mccain's father in law, is a piece of marysue fanfic written home by foreigners". [21:24]
esthlos: but 5+d is easy and 0-3 are workable [21:24]
mircea_popescu: esthlos myeah. but i mean... how can it "only work in 3d", ie, what, no solutions in 5d ? [21:25]
esthlos: mircea_popescu: more like infinite solutions, so choosing any single solution is arbitrary. just like the feynman path integral. its thttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_series_theoremhis problem in a larger context: [21:26]
esthlos: whoops: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_series_theorem [21:27]
mircea_popescu: hm [21:27]
asciilifeform: esthlos: does it ever bother you that your primary maths link-reference is a spamola farm ? [21:27]
mircea_popescu: as opposed to what exactly, the experts sex change source of all software ? [21:28]
esthlos: asciilifeform: you mean wikipedia? i agree its shitty [21:28]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'software' ain't a thing [21:29]
mircea_popescu: math following it rapidly into the hole. [21:29]
asciilifeform: entirely possibly already in [21:29]
mircea_popescu: speaking of all this geometry, did they find the 4d smooth sphere ? [21:30]
asciilifeform: q is, why maths folx sit and edit pediwikia, which gives them nothing in return, censors/'curates' the work, and leverages it to spray respectability perfume on their politclaptrap ? [21:30]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do milkmaids sell their milk for 10cents a galon to walmart to be sold to consumer for a buck a bottle ? [21:31]
mircea_popescu: cuz relative size problem, they perceive themselves as small. [21:31]
asciilifeform: milkmaid gotta eat. nobody's forced to pediwikiate. [21:31]
mircea_popescu: publish or perish! [21:31]
asciilifeform: afaik pediwikism dun count as 'publication' [21:32]
asciilifeform: for delaying-perishing [21:32]
mircea_popescu: this is irrelevant. whenever the state manages to enforce some idiocy, it's not the case the state enforced it, it's the case it followed a fashion! [21:32]
mircea_popescu: they went in for the bologna BECAUSE they felt they DO have to. [21:32]
mircea_popescu: whether it's for credit or for free makes little practical difference. the problem's in the brain not in the statute. [21:32]
* asciilifeform momentarily pictured idiocy having... viscosity.. and following, e.g., bernoulli's law [21:33]
mircea_popescu: maybe some reformulation. [21:33]
asciilifeform: but yes, pretty clear that 'felt they had to', not martian hypnosis did it, no. [21:34]
mircea_popescu: but it's absolutely and eminently NOT the case that smart people were doing smart people things and some bureaucrats came in su style and "henceforth you shall publish or perish". it was rather the case that some smart people sat around doing existential anguish, and some bureaucrats came by, packaged it as "publish or perish" and then proceeded to sell it to them (in exchange of an island of manhattan worth of "scientific" s [21:34]
mircea_popescu: upport for "policies"). [21:34]
mircea_popescu: they still feel that way with or without "i fucking love science" marketing depts. [21:34]
asciilifeform: ww2 and after, grantola, explosion of (per kuhn) 'ordinary science' i.e. stamp collecting, is what did it [21:35]
asciilifeform: actual thinking folx dun have 'existential angst'. [21:35]
asciilifeform: nor a pressing need to flatten forests printing drivel. [21:36]
mircea_popescu: this is a dubious point. [21:37]
asciilifeform: whyssat [21:38]
mircea_popescu: well, for many different reasons, but let's set on the very convenient tu quoque approach. you yourself think all sorts of insanities about what you can and can not do, which vary according to mood. it's no different for anyone else. [21:38]
asciilifeform: the problem is not that folx suffer insanities, but the packaging for sale. [21:39]
mircea_popescu: this is also a dubious point. [21:39]
mircea_popescu: is the jewish young female sluttery the problem, or merely the pimp's ready marketing of it ? [21:40]
asciilifeform: i'm not equipped to map this item onto the other [21:40]
mircea_popescu: where folks suffer insanities a marketing will be found. [21:40]
mircea_popescu: where there's teenaged runaways, a charlie manson will be found [21:41]
mircea_popescu: and so following. [21:41]
mircea_popescu: not "because charlie manson, therefore here's a list of dozen+ teenagers who fucked on the first day" but quite vice-versa : "because oodlebunches of such teenagers, therefore here's weirdo cult nonsense". [21:42]
asciilifeform: that'd be ye olde 'devil finds work for idle hands' theory [21:42]
mircea_popescu: and so ipse, not because government grants therefore flatten forests printing drivel. [21:42]
mircea_popescu: much simpler than that : if your rng is broken someone somewhere will exploit it. [21:42]
mircea_popescu: insanity === broken rng. [21:43]
asciilifeform: so i take it mircea_popescu leans to 'physics stuck in a ditch post-ww2 and after that inevitably ceremonial and staffed by priests' ? [21:44]
asciilifeform: or to 'not stuck at all' [21:44]
asciilifeform: or entirely none of these ? [21:45]
mircea_popescu: no. physics stuck in ditch because smart people have fallen into a sort of sartrean hell, very much equal parts Кто ты по жизни? and "how do i know i exist" [21:45]
asciilifeform: but why fallen ~then~ [21:45]
mircea_popescu: why did you fart when you farted as opposed to at any other time ? [21:46]
mircea_popescu: this is a specious argument retrospectively. [21:46]
asciilifeform: recall the 'police detective may not entertain hypothesis of miraculous disappearance when confronted with empty safe' ? [21:47]
mircea_popescu: yes. [21:47]
asciilifeform: same applies here. thinking people may not retreat to 'allah farted and therefore. [21:47]
mircea_popescu: mind that police detective is not liberal profession. this is SPECIFICALLY what it means : that not at liberty to consider all possibilities. that's what makes a technical profession. [21:47]
asciilifeform: 'allah farted' is not a possibility that merits considering while having the activity still called 'thinking' and the folx engaging therein, 'thinkers' [21:48]
mircea_popescu: doctor is allowed to assign miraculous cause and the curtailing of that allowance exactly mirrors the technicalization (ie, de-liberalization) of medicine. [21:48]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a third dubious point. [21:48]
asciilifeform: it's a surrender. quite analogous to soldier surrendering. [21:48]
mircea_popescu: consider the problem of mechanics in 1900. physics "complete science" and why can't you 1900 alf explain the mercury precession ? [21:49]
mircea_popescu: MAYBE YOU ARE NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH! [21:49]
mircea_popescu: good physicist NOT ALLOWED TO THROW OUT COMPLETE SCIENCE!!! [21:49]
mircea_popescu: people said these exact things, btw. [21:49]
mircea_popescu: and they were right, except... there's a categorical error. [21:49]
asciilifeform: 'hard' is irrelevant. it's a 'yer not smart enuff, go sell used horses' [21:49]
mircea_popescu: the view was wrong -- the complete science was actually neither complete nor even correct [21:50]
mircea_popescu: which is why we can have color television sets with short tubes. they, smart or not smart, couldn't have. [21:50]
asciilifeform: drawing, quartering, burning out with hot irons a out defective paradigm is ~the~ work of actual thinker. [21:50]
mircea_popescu: so then. [21:50]
mircea_popescu: this "the work" is also, a surrender. in the terms of the item being burned down. [21:51]
asciilifeform: how the everliving fuck is that a surrender [21:51]
asciilifeform: it's a victory. the only kind there is. [21:51]
mircea_popescu: ~in the terms of the item being burned down~. [21:51]
asciilifeform: to the defeated -- the tears. [21:51]
mircea_popescu: but before you abandoned it, it wasn't defeated yet. [21:51]
mircea_popescu: this is how coffin liners are mostly produced. for as long as you still hold it, it still has something going for it. [21:52]
mircea_popescu: namely -- you. [21:52]
asciilifeform: observe also that in practice the so-called 'physicists' ~never surrender, and how field 'advances 1 funeral at a time' [21:52]
asciilifeform: very rarely anyone abandons the dead end crud. the adherents continue to sit in their chairs, and eventually die, and next generation puts the dead end item in rubbish bin where it belongs , instead of picking up. [21:53]
mircea_popescu: mostly, yeah. [21:54]
mircea_popescu: there's also the very problematic... consider. the highlight of my entirely negligible theoretical physicist career such as it was, was pariticpating at this "international contest". it was named... "the first step to nobel prize in physics". [21:54]
asciilifeform: i found interesting that blondlot continued leading 'institute' of his 'n-rays' until he died. lived for ~decades~ after wood raped'im [21:54]
mircea_popescu: now, i didn't happen to give a shit. but think what they try to sell to these unfortunate kids. [21:54]
asciilifeform: i know what they sell to them. worked with the asian phd folx who got diploma for washing glass, 'first step to...' various. [21:55]
mircea_popescu: really ? STEPS ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679600 ? [21:55]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did. [21:55]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't have a full vierw of the problem. allow me to recount a lengthy story that shall make my point for me. [21:55]
mircea_popescu: so, in the 1990s, after the purge dkscj [21:55]
asciilifeform: hey bureaucrat sees ~everythign~ as usg org chart, climbable, naturally has steps! itmust!! [21:55]
* asciilifeform tunes in.. [21:56]
mircea_popescu: ... the purge discussed in http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ the navy and the airforce found themselves in a de facto competition [21:56]
mircea_popescu: "who will first have female jet pilots???" [21:56]
phf: asciilifeform: this is what macport presents for installation approval when you try and pull mpv http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dcDet/?raw=true [21:56]
mircea_popescu: the airforce won. it won by trickery -- had some girl that did ~6 hours all through 1990s, then did most of her actual hours in 2000s. [21:56]
mircea_popescu: the navy tried to win honestly and it failed. it's not JUST that woman, Hultgreen, crashed her airplane in a manner that a) was taught as incorrect and b) she had been negged for doing in training. [21:58]
mircea_popescu: it's that there were four women which were judged by the (absolutely and entirely fair and utterly unsexist, as a factualmatter beyond dispute) men involved as : hultgreen, marginal, the rest, substandard. [21:58]
esthlos: this channel is like discovering the last psychiatrist again [21:58]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: contest of strongest horse in glue factory ? [21:59]
mircea_popescu: now, all this was found out because an engineer involved leaked data. he did so because it was eggregious -- like how the sort of red mark that often ended a male's career were accumulating in the double digits on these unfortunate souls' files [21:59]
mircea_popescu: and he deemed it a major securtity risk. which it was. as events proved. [22:00]
asciilifeform: i'm still surprised it wasn't handled su-style -- i.e. by not marking to begin with [22:00]
mircea_popescu: now, one of the substandard ones actually SUED. because she deemed that the release of "her private data" as to how bad she sucked is such an important matter, it precludes the public interest. [22:00]
asciilifeform: 'this comes back to unit commander until all marks green' [22:00]
mircea_popescu: the courts rebuffed her then. the upper court even had to tell her that "calling the first women trying to do this public figure does not constitute a statement of some kind of negative judgement". because yes, she was intimating this. [22:01]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this suit on file somewhere ? i'd luvv to read [22:01]
mircea_popescu: now consider two different problems. one of them is, the damned hardware involved. the piece of shit airplane they flew (f14) is SO BADLY DESIGNED its nose moving left/right can disrupt airflow into compressor intake ACTUALLY STALLING an engine. [22:01]
shinohai: oglaf, ever relevant http://oglaf.com/old-st-nick/ [22:02]
mircea_popescu: and THEN! with stalled engines, the force vector can actually outrule the damned rudder! you lose the plane for turning! and they flew this, and somehow won a war with the fucking clothes iron. [22:02]
asciilifeform: this is typical in american machines, they all come with a 'it hurts -- dun do that' , e.g. phantom's irrecoverable spin [22:02]
mircea_popescu: but this finnicky nonsense aside, point two : these women, not just the dead one not just the suing one ALL of them, constantly and without fucking respite came in too high and too fast. [22:02]
mircea_popescu: MUCH too high. much too fast. ALL THE TIME. [22:02]
mircea_popescu: and the trainers kept telling them and they ignored. [22:03]
mircea_popescu: to the point they ~actually scareds~ the fucking technical crew on multiple occasions. [22:03]
mircea_popescu: understand what the crew here is : they're people who pour gasoline out of a large hose straight in the nose of a running jet engine, open air like that. hot refuelling it's called. they're people who get sucked into the damned things doing it, not and again. [22:03]
mircea_popescu: these guys wouldn't be easily scared. but the girls weren't... easily deterred. you see ? [22:04]
mircea_popescu: "i ate a lot of shit to come this far" is a fundamental problem. they CAN NOT go slower, and lower. and they CAN NOT hear anyone telling them to. you understrand why ? [22:04]
asciilifeform: napoleon's syndrome? [22:04]
mircea_popescu: it's an identity issue. the sort of girl that gets all gung ho about "being first girl to" is going to a) be trying too hard and b) be not listening too well. [22:05]
mircea_popescu: now then! finally done with that! [22:05]
mircea_popescu: so... one funeral at a time. yeah. this'd be why. performance can't be a fucking substitute for identity. [22:06]
mircea_popescu: and now let's read teh backlog lol. [22:06]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753228 << "how did you become a great physicist ?" "well... first i became a moderately-great physicist, and then an above-moderately-great physicist, and then..." [22:07]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 02:55 asciilifeform: hey bureaucrat sees ~everythign~ as usg org chart, climbable, naturally has steps! itmust!! [22:07]
asciilifeform: !#s from:mircea_popescu samovar [22:08]
a111: 13 results for "from:mircea_popescu samovar", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea_popescu%20samovar [22:08]
asciilifeform: ^ see also [22:08]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753236 << he's dearly beloved here, at that. pity he quit. [22:08]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 02:58 esthlos: this channel is like discovering the last psychiatrist again [22:08]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall that story about the dumbest gilr in my hs that ended up a math assistant prof ? [22:09]
asciilifeform: aha! [22:09]
mircea_popescu: this is the catastrophe of ideology, it misplaces people into harms way. [22:09]
asciilifeform: therw was a similar piece by mircea_popescu re some d00d who tried to lie his way into 'manager' work [22:10]
mircea_popescu: ah right! lol. [22:10]
mircea_popescu: see, cuz goat imagines everyone's a goat, and what, ro is a small enough country that x and y would know each other [22:11]
asciilifeform: it's a recurring thread , 'so you fooled'em into thinking yer a doctor, now they bring you a bleeding wreck , naowat' [22:11]
mircea_popescu: "i don't know any people in power, why would the guy hiring me" [22:11]
asciilifeform: there is occasional competent guild impostor , e.g. the fella who was jailed after decade of flying commercial jets with forged license , name presently escapesme [22:12]
asciilifeform: but ~nobody will ever meet these. [22:13]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753244 << https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2003/12/13/court-rejects-suit-woman-who-was-navy-pilot/ pravda even has notice on it. [22:13]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 03:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this suit on file somewhere ? i'd luvv to read [22:13]
asciilifeform: eggog !! [22:13]
asciilifeform: nobody archived it, either [22:14]
asciilifeform: afaik , it's gone. [22:14]
mircea_popescu: lessee. [22:14]
mircea_popescu: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-dc-circuit/1061879.html << here you go. [22:14]
mircea_popescu: also, paralegals, man. worth every penny. [22:14]
asciilifeform: oh hey neato. [22:15]
mircea_popescu: so, to sum up : this all goes back straight exactly to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704268 [22:18]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning." [22:18]
mircea_popescu: except in the formulation here, there is no possibility of performance outside of a structure of identity, and the identity can not be predicated on the performance. [22:18]
phf: further unrelated to conversation lulz. package formula references fribidi (implementation of fucking bidirectional unicode). the url for it with the site and everything is dead, but there's a shithub page. formula references fribidi-0.19.7.tar.bz2, github has 0.19.7.tar.gz. ~these are apparently different beast, because using later fails the build, while tracking a copy of the first one succeeds~. this is beyond insanity. [22:19]
mircea_popescu: this is the whole story, both as to why "physics died" and as to why and wherefore etc. [22:19]
asciilifeform: phf: i gotta ask : 'why' [22:19]
asciilifeform: phf: why are you doing it [22:19]
phf: asciilifeform: i want to watch movies! i figured i can do better than a close source vlc package, apparently not [22:19]
mircea_popescu: hes preparing self for the new vtrons [22:19]
asciilifeform: lol [22:20]
mircea_popescu: phf i use vlc. i prefer to sacrifice a box to it than waste anyone's time thus. [22:20]
phf: but also mircea_popescu's assessment is correct, i'm tampering myself before i face the insides of difftools [22:21]
asciilifeform: i have even sadder item , re subj , dedicated chinese pogolike thing for watching film on. it dun even go on the lan. just eats usb drives. [22:21]
mircea_popescu: "why are you biting out of a turd ?" "fortifying self for trench time, i hear sometimes people there have to drink piss" [22:21]
asciilifeform: тяжело в учении -- легко в бою (tm)(r) [22:22]
phf: maresyev flight school [22:22]
mircea_popescu: shall i also ask what movies you want to watch ? [22:23]
asciilifeform: matrosov gunnery school !1111 [22:24]
ben_vulpes: phf: nah not particularly interesting to me, i got out of that gox early q2 this year, but sfyl [22:28]
asciilifeform: no moar crapple in castle ben_vulpestein ?! [22:28]
shinohai: I use https://mpv.io/now, has API so u can stream from pogo ala asciilifeform [22:29]
asciilifeform: stream?! [22:29]
asciilifeform: and that looks like a fork of ye olde mplayer [22:29]
asciilifeform: i dun have any quarrel with the original [22:30]
shinohai: fork of mplayer2, ja [22:30]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: macware abounds, none of it is being used for anything other than entertainment anymore [22:31]
asciilifeform: i like mplayer . 0 idjit windowisms, 'decorations' etc [22:31]
mircea_popescu: wtf does movie player need unicode for, left as question for wiser men [22:31]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: subtitles [22:31]
ben_vulpes: well and being a pissoir for the webatlarge [22:31]
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i can't hear you over the sound of my poliglotism. [22:31]
asciilifeform: who said human lang subtitles [22:31]
asciilifeform: never watch martian films ? [22:31]
mircea_popescu: lol. can't say as i ever had. [22:31]
asciilifeform: jp etc [22:31]
mircea_popescu: nope. [22:32]
asciilifeform: then build sans orccode yea [22:32]
mircea_popescu: i dobn't get it, you READ the orc langs but don't hear them ? [22:32]
asciilifeform: for students of e.g. jp [22:32]
mircea_popescu: this is getting pretty tenuous. [22:32]
asciilifeform: they like to have both tracks running, iirc [22:32]
mircea_popescu: why can't students of jp import one of them young hussies [22:32]
asciilifeform: on dirigible. [22:33]
* mircea_popescu saw this at airport today, guy with a placard, "mr wong & miss ho" [22:33]
mircea_popescu: tho ho possibly korean [22:33]
asciilifeform: land of 'long dong' rocket etc lol [22:33]
mircea_popescu: aha [22:33]
mats: i never heard of a kr with the name wong [22:36]
mircea_popescu: her not him [22:37]
mircea_popescu: he, pretty sure cn [22:37]
mats: ah [22:37]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752403 << possibly because of the potbellied bourgeois caricatures, anglo version is called exactly that "pot belly stove". [22:44]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 02:59 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: phunphakt, franklin's stove is even today in ru known as a буржуйка ( why? dunno, because from usa ? hard to say ) [22:44]
asciilifeform: phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752403 << thread [22:45]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 02:59 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: phunphakt, franklin's stove is even today in ru known as a буржуйка ( why? dunno, because from usa ? hard to say ) [22:45]
asciilifeform: oh hah nm [22:45]
mircea_popescu: lol [22:45]
* asciilifeform LL(1) parser!11 [22:45]
mircea_popescu: thats a new one [22:48]
phf: well, also misparsing, because i didn't make it clear that franklin stove is not a буржуйка, there's a simpler u.s. item that corresponds though (can be found in e.g. faulkner) [22:48]
asciilifeform: oh hm [22:49]
mircea_popescu: did we ever do http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-with-alan-kay/240003442?pgno=1 btw ? [22:52]
asciilifeform: pretty sure we did [22:52]
mircea_popescu: !#s "drdobbs" [22:53]
a111: 6 results for "\"drdobbs\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22drdobbs%22 [22:53]
mircea_popescu: tis not there. [22:53]
phf: mircea_popescu: is that by way of esthlos's squeak/croquet links? [22:56]
asciilifeform: aaah nm it was linked from asciilifeform's www [22:56]
asciilifeform: but loox like was never formally eaten here. [22:56]
mircea_popescu: the kay interview ? it's from this large pile of "items of interest" i go through when in the mood. [22:57]
* phf nods [22:57]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform idiot site does "pages" as iof that's fuycking permissible so now we'll end up with an archived first quarter. [22:58]
mircea_popescu: the ways in which webtards manage to break computers are innumerable. [22:58]
asciilifeform: let's fix... [22:58]
asciilifeform: http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-with-alan-kay/240003442?pgno=1 [22:58]
asciilifeform: http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-with-alan-kay/240003442?pgno=2 [22:58]
asciilifeform: http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-with-alan-kay/240003442?pgno=3 [22:58]
asciilifeform: http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-with-alan-kay/240003442?pgno=4 [22:59]
mircea_popescu: "i know, let me put this resource in four fucking places because that's why it's called ununiform resource locator" [22:59]
asciilifeform: they broke deliberately, to push ad crapola [22:59]
phf: the easiest way to fix is of course to link to "print" version, which on sites of certain vintage is usually a single page [22:59]
phf: http://www.drdobbs.com/article/print?articleId=240003442&siteSectionName=architecture-and-design [22:59]
mircea_popescu: phf yes and this fix is further breaking [22:59]
mircea_popescu: now it's ununiform rl in a DIFFERENT WAY [23:00]
asciilifeform: ^ [23:00]
mircea_popescu: amusingly, kay actually SAY\S THIS in the very piece [23:00]
mircea_popescu: "The marketing people are not there to teach people, so probably one of the most disastrous interactions with computing was the fact that you could make money selling simulations of old, familiar media, and these apps just swamped most of the ideas of Doug Engelbart, for example. The Web browser, for many, many years, and still, even though it's running on a computer that can do X, Y, and Z, it's now up to about X and 1/2 of [23:00]
mircea_popescu: Y." [23:00]
phf: hey i also just wanted to watch my movies [23:00]
mircea_popescu: in other news, this interview is terrible. [23:04]
mircea_popescu: but in other heresies, http://notes.esthlos.com/files/2017-11-16-lisp-enlightenment.txt [23:06]
asciilifeform: this is the kind of pseudo-pithy item that folx cough up the day they first encounter a lisp , and then walk around ashamed of for years [23:08]
mircea_popescu: i thought it was cute. [23:08]
mircea_popescu: there is no more fundamental human property than the need to belong and since illusions are by their nature sweet, there's no more endearingly common characteristic than misconstrued partisanship. [23:09]
mircea_popescu: but alf might appreciate http://notes.esthlos.com/files/2017-12-11-all-programming-is-intelligence-programming.txt [23:12]
mircea_popescu: amusingly, it msises the very obvious failure of the "chinese room" nonsense (yes, searle mc dumbnuts, you don't speak chinese NOW but if you followed the recipe you WOULD, by the time you'd stop making errors, actually speak chinese. duh. eternal error of the childish mind, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+dynamic+static etc ), but moving on to more interesting things : [23:17]
mircea_popescu: "understanding" of the "truely" or any other variety, in the "human" sense is simply second order prediction. we would readily identify a computer as "hard ai" or "truly" comprehending what's going on if it a) deployed heuristics and then b) made reasonable (which does not mean correct) predictions about their likelihood of success. [23:18]
mircea_popescu: which is why towlie of "i have no idea what's going on" southpark fame is very much interpreted as human-like. [23:19]
asciilifeform: vitalists escape from field to field like roaches in nyc flats [23:19]
asciilifeform: searle could've been , say, chemist, but wohler happened [23:19]
mircea_popescu: note that the true problem here isn't that "computers don't understand context" or whatever othjer bla bla. people very provably do not either. [23:19]
mircea_popescu: so the whole "understanding" bullshit is a case of utterly misdefined goals. [23:20]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-14#922030 << thread [23:20]
a111: Logged on 2014-11-14 21:02 asciilifeform: http://home.engineering.iastate.edu/~alexs/classes/2011_Spring_585X/readings/02_Principles/AI_Meets_Natural_Stupidity.pdf [23:20]
mircea_popescu: "identity as genus" occurs not when op says something extremely shockingly intelligent or w/e, but when you say "do you understand what you jsut said ?!" and they retort "not really". [23:21]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha [23:21]
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