Forum logs for 17 Apr 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo patriotic americanS ? [00:19]
BingoBoingo: ty fxd [00:21]
mircea_popescu: also "invaded in their space" [00:21]
BingoBoingo: ty fxd [00:31]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at "yes we can" anal camp, [00:55]
ben_vulpes: ho ho ho si se puede indeed [01:00]
mircea_popescu: lel [01:00]
ben_vulpes: from the annals of well-engineered application of force: [01:01]
mircea_popescu: annals eh ? [01:03]
ben_vulpes: ) [01:08]
BingoBoingo: What if Hussein Bahamas *really* isn't Kenyan and that propaganda was started to hide the fact he is Ethiopian from the moslems? [01:42]
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, [01:42]
BingoBoingo: ty danielpbarron [01:44]
mircea_popescu: obama's only race is cocksucker. [01:45]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But as an ethiopian with skinny legs Obama could wreck the Kabba and start moslem end times [01:47]
mircea_popescu: heh [01:47]
BingoBoingo: Which would mean Kenya v Hawaii was a double false flag [01:48]
ben_vulpes: sheeeeit i do say this is some highly refined snake oil: [02:03]
ben_vulpes: "You can then add some data protection by remotely encrypting data during the closed business hours when data could be exposed to wiley hackers." [02:04]
ben_vulpes: wiley hackers, i tell you! they could be trying to get in, right this minute, through the window! or maybe just by talking to their wife, they can learn enough to put into their artificial intelligence hackery machines to make guesses at your password! you need this thing! that we sell! [02:05]
deedbot: << Qntra - Easter Manhunt In US [02:12]
ben_vulpes: kicker is that they're nsf funded [02:21]
mats: bitbet returns [03:46]
davout: so it looks [05:20]
davout: <<< "Everyone has lost their patience with failed technology and broken promises." pretty lulzy [07:32]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-17 06:03 ben_vulpes: sheeeeit i do say this is some highly refined snake oil: [07:32]
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-noose, [09:01]
asciilifeform: ^ +26% over last yr. [09:02]
asciilifeform: << 'Bet is not time-weighted.' >> lol [09:38]
mircea_popescu: o it's back ? [09:40]
asciilifeform: apparently [09:40]
asciilifeform: 0 word re where it was for ~2wks [09:41]
davout: was it two weeks? more like 5 days iirc [09:43]
asciilifeform: hm [09:43]
davout: then again i don't visit it erryday [09:44]
mircea_popescu: cool. [09:47]
Framedragger: sent email kindly requesting post mortem or *anything*, can't hurt. probably lots of people did that tho. [09:59]
trinque: !!gettrust znort987 [10:04]
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections. [10:04]
trinque: ^ investing in this would also not hurt. [10:04]
trinque: rather, this [10:06]
trinque: !!gettrust deedbot znort987 [10:06]
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections. [10:06]
Framedragger: ^ lots of trust from lending *to* folks, heh (well i got a bit of it via that, too) [10:22]
deedbot: << Trilema - The story of Monday [10:30]
mircea_popescu: and in other breakfasts, [11:11]
asciilifeform: << this has gotta be parody... >> 'Anti-virus, Intrusion Detection, Machine Learning... What does it all mean? We give you security you can understand. You can then move on with your life.' [11:22]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-17 06:03 ben_vulpes: sheeeeit i do say this is some highly refined snake oil: [11:22]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nominal nsf grantee [11:25]
asciilifeform: i can believe it. [11:26]
asciilifeform: ( homeopath, astrologer, alchemist, perpetuum mobilist, can quite easily get 'nsf grant' if he sticks to the Official terminology, and -- importantly -- has the right pedigree / institutional cocksuckery ) [11:27]
mircea_popescu: hey, it works because there's a large contingent of morons who "want to move on with their life". what fucking life ? "make money on auto-pilot". bitch... do do what ? i wouldn't make money on auto-pilot if you paid me to! [11:27]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do they do in all that time they saved ? [11:27]
mircea_popescu: and it's universal, "oh, buy the wife white goods so she has more time to grow bitter in!" [11:27]
mircea_popescu: fuck that shit, grind my coffee by hand every morning and be happy to be naked. [11:27]
mircea_popescu: theres no fucking life to "get on with" outside of all the shit you don't do but should have. [11:28]
asciilifeform: people with 'no theorems to prove' rot, whether grinding coffee is motorized or with pestle. [11:28]
mircea_popescu: this is not true. [11:29]
mircea_popescu: there can be such a thing as a beautiful dog, though no dog ever proved a theorem. [11:29]
asciilifeform: dog. [11:29]
mircea_popescu: there's such a thing as a beautiful cocksucker too. [11:29]
mircea_popescu: point of life is to be a maximal you, not a maximal someone else. [11:29]
asciilifeform: if you have a wife whose maximalized version is a kind of bipedal coffee grinder -- why not instead buy motorized grinder. cheaper, quicker, lighter. [11:30]
mircea_popescu: because you like your wife. [11:30]
asciilifeform: wife who was born to grind? [11:31]
mircea_popescu: hey, you are at liberty to like whatever the fuck you like. [11:31]
mircea_popescu: i like paintings that do nothing besides just sitting there. [11:31]
mircea_popescu: what, it gotta do tricks now ? [11:31]
asciilifeform: i thought we were discussion functional items, 'white goods' etc [11:32]
asciilifeform: *discussing [11:32]
mircea_popescu: even so. [11:33]
asciilifeform: and specifically the 'so she has more time to grow bitter in!' [11:34]
asciilifeform: by that logic, armless+legless wife is best [11:34]
asciilifeform: won't stab you in the back! [11:34]
asciilifeform: won't run off. [11:34]
mircea_popescu: i don't follow ? [11:34]
asciilifeform: recall the thread re ru army where folx paint the snow -- white, and the grass -- green ? [11:34]
mircea_popescu: i do. [11:35]
asciilifeform: my current understanding is that mircea_popescu subscribes to this philosophy re women? [11:35]
mircea_popescu: do you recall the threadf where rich people ate white flour, which made poor people want to eat white flour, which made idiots misdirect some of the power of industrialization to give it to them, which made them sick, whichj continued the vicious cycle until someone figuredf it out and now people mostly eat brown flour ? [11:35]
asciilifeform: 'devil makes work for idle hands' being the engl. proverb [11:35]
mircea_popescu: nah. [11:35]
asciilifeform: i thought that one was about the private auto. but it could be about 10,001 things, equally. [11:36]
* mircea_popescu believes that it is indescribably stupid to replace the woman with a robot in her most productive activity. EVEN IF the robot would do a better job. [11:36]
asciilifeform: flour, yes [11:36]
mircea_popescu: what that most productive activity is depends on the woman, or man, or dog. to replace others may be a good idea (or not -- how smart is it to not walk because car and then gym because no exercise ?) but entirely replacing the poor sod out of productive activity and thereby world relevancy is psychological poison. [11:37]
mircea_popescu: let her ENJOY the fact that she actually is a thing of this world and contributes with her hands to this world. why shouldn't she. [11:37]
mircea_popescu: let the woman be a thing as often as practicable, it sure as fuck beats her being a figment of someone's imagination. and other alternatives DO NOT EXIST. [11:38]
asciilifeform: how does working with a power tool preclude 'contribute with hands, be a thing of this world' etc ? [11:39]
mircea_popescu: does not preclude. but in most cases, woman who no longer has to cook daily because fridge works with the reddiTV. [11:39]
mircea_popescu: which is why i say -- depends on woman. if she can be useful with a tank buy her a fucking tank, why not. [11:39]
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's pet for instance has a full complement of power equipment. and cooks daily. [11:39]
asciilifeform: which is why i suspect that it ain't about the tools. [11:40]
mircea_popescu: whole thread is a restatement of "machinery is to enhance not to replace human" [11:40]
asciilifeform: aha. [11:40]
mircea_popescu: so no, entirely not about the tools. [11:40]
mircea_popescu: the strict and unyielding fact of biology is that most women are barely qualified to chase after age-disabled spawn and make food. there's no shame in this, it being entirely natural. [11:41]
mircea_popescu: nor is there much value in replacing either function "so she can get on with her life." what fucking life ?! that was her life! [11:41]
mircea_popescu: and i say all this, of course, because [11:42]
asciilifeform: male office plankton is a similarly abject creature [11:43]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally ever saw one of those misfortunate dogs who got cured of their hip displasia by having ruedas delanteras attached ? [11:43]
asciilifeform: waiwat [11:43]
mircea_popescu: dog on wheels! [11:43]
asciilifeform: dun think so [11:43]
asciilifeform: but i can picture it [11:43]
mircea_popescu: craziest shit i ever saw, mostly because if one has even a vague familiarity with dogs they seem to look sadder than when they couldn[t move barely at all. [11:44]
asciilifeform: << apparently standard equipment... [11:44]
mircea_popescu: you've never seen dogs so depressed. [11:44]
mircea_popescu: but then again! ever saw young dog in car ? going fast ? woooooh wuf wuf wuf!!!11 ? [11:45]
mircea_popescu: it's not the fucking wheels per se. [11:45]
asciilifeform: !#s power process [11:46]
a111: 15 results for "power process", [11:46]
asciilifeform: hm, none of these are it [11:46]
asciilifeform: !#s kaczynski [11:47]
a111: 15 results for "kaczynski", [11:47]
asciilifeform: ^ 'unabomber'(tm) d00d had a very cogent discussion of this principle, with the coffee grinding and meaningless lives, and wheel dog. [11:47]
mircea_popescu: i dun recall it, but i believe. [11:48]
asciilifeform: << text. grep 'power process'. [11:51]
asciilifeform: pretty obvious item imho. [11:51]
mircea_popescu: (i will for the record point out that the bread example is uniquely adequate because the centurial idiocy that is by now the only meaning of "american" started in this exact manner -- upper class bitches got white goods from westinghouse so they could have their precious butts and worthless heads freed from the chores of everyday so they could focus on... on what ? ON CHARITY!!111. review the "a one woman mission for your own [11:51]
mircea_popescu: personal salvation" 1950s bs etc. [11:51]
mircea_popescu: then the lower classes wanted it too, except who the fuck was going to be on the receiving end of all this mass industrialized chairty ? [11:52]
mircea_popescu: so noncreatures like obama were created for the purpose, and the middle east still bears the burden of this typically usian retardation) [11:52]
mircea_popescu: by 2010s it's literally a case of "watch tv and vicariously participate in the salvation of imaginary creatures". the keywords are of course "raise awareness" and "educate the public". fruits of a long shriveled vine, that nevertheless the trained eye can readily distinguish. [11:53]
mircea_popescu: these are the lower middle class women that made it! living the dream of middle class 1910s! [11:54]
mircea_popescu: somehow the point that "those misfortunate products of teratogenesis were so fucking sad not even their husbands could be paid to fuck em!!1" is never made. but no, ~nobody could be bothered with 1910s "socialite", ie, rich girl with no skills, no utility and no tits. [11:55]
mircea_popescu: they went into charity because those were the only people who couldn't say no. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: and even those -- did say no, every chance they got. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: so how about "i wonder why the terrorists hate us" is rendered as the correct and adequate "boy we must suck -- not even those sandniggers living in goat dung want us." [11:56]
asciilifeform: sorta why these folx busy themselves with eternal work of manufacturing ever-sadder charitycases [11:58]
asciilifeform: 'arabs hate us and piss on our charity' 'let's bulldoze syria' 'koreans piss on us and the horse we rode in on' 'let's bulldoze korea' [11:59]
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to be working worth a shit, but hey. [12:00]
mircea_popescu: "gotta do something" "why ?" "because of all that free time we got to get on with our lives!!!1" [12:00]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1429...3113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( LK 1) [12:43]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1671...0723 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( LK 1) [12:43]
asciilifeform: Adamjee Lukmanjee & Sons (Pvt) Ltd. << 'Our history as Adamjee Lukmanjee and Sons Ltd can be traced back to the mid 19th century when our founder, Adamjee Lukmanjee set sail on a pioneering voyage from the Gulf of Kutch (Gujarat, India) into an unknown future in Ceylon (Sri Lanka)....' [12:44]
mircea_popescu: as a stowaway on a british vessel. [12:46]
asciilifeform: probably [12:47]
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, << purported arrest film of train snackbar d00d [13:17]
asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, >> 'A three-month old baby was summoned to the US embassy in London for an interview after his grandfather mistakenly identified him as a terrorist.' [13:30]
mircea_popescu: baby's shenanigans finally coming to end! [13:53]
ben_vulpes: the spaces gcc wanted for Real True C++11 Standard Compliance appears to have not affected node behavior [13:53]
ben_vulpes: granted, i'm not looking into it too deeply beyond "m yeah blocks seem to be accruing" [13:54]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: remind me what this was for ? [14:28]
ben_vulpes: first step towards slicing boost, if that's even possibru [14:30]
asciilifeform: aaaah [14:32]
asciilifeform: neato [14:32]
asciilifeform: always seemed quite possible to asciilifeform after finding out re newfangled 2000s cpp [14:32]
ben_vulpes: i could be wrong, pre c++11 might have adequate for loops [14:32]
asciilifeform: it's mostly used for clean loops etc [14:33]
asciilifeform: aha [14:33]
ben_vulpes: lol right? [14:33]
asciilifeform: kinda the point of cpp11 [14:33]
asciilifeform: was to subsume boost etc into the standard [14:33]
ben_vulpes: origin story of this particular side quest is that i wanted to remove things from a list without having to jump through the hoops of remove and erase by using std::list remove_if [14:34]
asciilifeform: pretty sure you still gotta destroy the object somehow [14:35]
asciilifeform: ( and the idiot made this ~impossible to do cleanly for most of'em ) [14:35]
mircea_popescu: this adds ben_vulpes to the list of people who seriously considered the matter of snipping trbn into shape, came to ~same conclusion, ie that rewrite is unavoidable. [14:39]
mircea_popescu: which is how trb-i even became an item. [14:40]
asciilifeform: not unrelatedly, asciilifeform now has a working mmap glue for ada. [14:59]
asciilifeform: ( adacore's was terrible, bulky, winblowz-fallback-containing, and overall unpleasant ) [15:00]
ben_vulpes: sweet deal [15:00]
phf: i decided to check out one of those communal work coffee shops, and you get every single stereotype here: startup bros, tinder date in progress, political feminists discussing next protest, but what takes the cake is a guy with a typewriter. [15:42]
mircea_popescu: what is one of those communal work coffee shops ? [15:42]
mircea_popescu: and i hope it was a Leika typewriter. [15:43]
asciilifeform: typewriter?! [15:43]
phf: i shit thee not(tm) [15:43]
asciilifeform: as in, mechanical, underwood? [15:43]
phf: correct [15:43]
asciilifeform: nuts. [15:43]
mircea_popescu: i should have kept all those ancient electric ones, made a fortune selling them to hipsters door to door. [15:43]
* asciilifeform scrapped his years ago [15:44]
* mircea_popescu is old enough to remember the days business ~= telex. [15:44]
asciilifeform: i still got the dotmatrix printers tho [15:44]
asciilifeform: and the paper. [15:44]
mircea_popescu: put that in your "three year experience" pipe an' smoke it. [15:44]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform those were actually good. [15:44]
asciilifeform: aha! [15:44]
asciilifeform: never really obsoleted, imho [15:44]
asciilifeform: laser dun replace'em [15:44]
asciilifeform: ( go and make a ~scroll~ with laser printer. ) [15:45]
mircea_popescu: notrly. tractor lister job, 1k pages+, let it do its thing come back in morning. [15:45]
asciilifeform: ^^ [15:45]
mircea_popescu: current replacement pos jams 100%. [15:45]
asciilifeform: there ain't a replacement. [15:45]
phf: i remember when laser was a status symbol.. [15:45]
asciilifeform: nobody makes a tractor inkjet any more [15:45]
asciilifeform: phf: i also remember when colour laser was, not so long ago [15:45]
asciilifeform: but i got one for 25bux in scrap shop. [15:45]
asciilifeform: and it runs. [15:45]
asciilifeform: ( the FUCKGOATS schematics you get in the parcel, came out of it ) [15:45]
phf: but yeah a communal work coffee shop is a space that advertises itself as a coffee shop, but mostly consists of permanently parked people with laptops. i'd say about 7-10 years ago it suddenly was hip to work from coffee shop? [15:47]
asciilifeform: gotta wonder, why would anybody drag a typewriter to a cafe [15:47]
asciilifeform: ... demonstratively, loudly show off 'see me write!111' ? [15:47]
phf: i have a writer friend who claims typewriters keep him focused on task at hand, but in this case he purchased one of those radioshack devices, keyboard with 64k of text storage [15:48]
asciilifeform: those are great [15:49]
asciilifeform: because Not A Computer [15:49]
asciilifeform: !#s alphasmart [15:49]
a111: 0 results for "alphasmart", [15:49]
asciilifeform: hm. [15:49]
asciilifeform: !~google alphasmart [15:49]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Alphasmart Alpha Smart 3000 Word Processing ...: <> Alphasmart Neo - Handheld: Office Products: <> AlphaSmart - Wikipedia: <> [15:49]
phf: i'm pretty sure we had one or two threads, but about a different device [15:49]
asciilifeform: ^ cult classic gadget [15:49]
asciilifeform: there are several of these, aha [15:50]
asciilifeform: plain ascii text entry thing, that runs for months off a set of 'aa' batteries [15:50]
asciilifeform: no network, no removable disks [15:50]
asciilifeform: ( to get text ~out~, you plug it in, and it emulates a keyboard, 'types' ) [15:51]
phf: !#s nec pc8201a [15:51]
a111: 1 result for "nec pc8201a", [15:51]
phf: [15:51]
a111: Logged on 2015-06-30 18:30 ascii_field: ' the NEC still wins over most portable computers of any time for the quality of its keyboard. This is a machine for typing on, and producing content, not for consuming content... Even now, nearly 30 years after production, it still works perfectly. The larger capacity modern rechargeable AA cells means that four of these will keep it running for weeks. Astonishing battery life compared with modern devices.' [15:51]
doppler: asciilifeform: and some of them ran palm OS and had wireless networking :) [15:51]
asciilifeform: << that one was a (small) real comp tho, phf [15:51]
a111: Logged on 2015-06-30 18:29 ascii_field: [15:51]
asciilifeform: and in fact most '80s-early '90s portables had unspeakably great (by today's standards) keyboards. [15:52]
asciilifeform: 'alphasmart' had a terrible keyboard, similar to late '90s crapple. it was originally made for schoolchildren. but it remains cult classic among certain folx. [15:53]
phf: for any consumer device in a set of all consumer devices, there exists at least one very eager japanese collector [15:54]
asciilifeform: it is imho interesting (and this is, yes, not the 1st or 2nd thread re subj) that the niche of 'comp that runs on batteries for month' is a niche wholly unfilled by 'modern' crapolade [15:56]
asciilifeform: and if you want one, you gotta hunt on 'ebay' etc. for years. [15:56]
* phf ding [16:06]
ben_vulpes: [16:26]
asciilifeform: lol [16:30]
asciilifeform: doppler: i have all of the 'alphasmart' boxes, from 1st to last, the 'palm' one indeed took sd cards (two, no less, even) and had infrared diode. [16:30]
asciilifeform: its only serious plus was the bigger lcd. [16:31]
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu noticed that 'wot' link on trilema www is still ye olde mike_c wot [16:32]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [16:32]
mats: phf: is the coffee shop like these coworking spaces? [16:47]
asciilifeform: they have these in dc also. [16:49]
asciilifeform: << last thread iirc [16:49]
a111: Logged on 2015-09-21 21:39 phf: mostly amusing, at the local coworking i've probably seen all the stereotypes in flesh. girls with social sciences ph.d. doing research projects, guys pushing feminist rhetoric in every conversation, black transgender talking about white oppression, all manner of "you can do anything" mentality. it's like irl tumblr out there [16:49]
phf: same principle [16:49]
phf: i think you had office share for a long time (places like Regus), then around early hackernews you had the whole "working from coffee shop" fad. some places started recognizing the fad and catering to that crowd. at some point somebody had an "idea" to update office share image by adding the necessary signaling of the work from coffee shop "culture". actually this coffee shop i'm at ( predates recent iteration of coworking s [16:54]
phf: paces. i worked from here in 2005 or so "building startup" [16:54]
asciilifeform: phf: i've been there [17:02]
asciilifeform: but only once, and did not notice the 'culture' [17:02]
asciilifeform: just got a drink, was all. [17:02]
phf: i used to promote a bar in the same block (tom tom's, closed now), so i used to spend a lot of time in this area [17:04]
ben_vulpes: 130/mo for hot desk, not actually too bad [17:09]
ben_vulpes: but you have to go up to 350/mo for 24/7 access [17:09]
ben_vulpes: minimum buy 1.2/mo for 'office' [17:10]
phf: ben_vulpes: the two big coworking places in dc are and [17:10]
ben_vulpes: there is a wework right down the street [17:10]
ben_vulpes: it has stapled shameful brass brand plates onto the beautiful old customs building [17:11]
phf: i've never been to wework, but 1776 is lulzy. last time i was there they had a talk "difficulties facing female CEOs" to a roomful. they also have regular classes like "learning how to program, with ruby on rails" etc. [17:14]
mats: heh [17:15]
asciilifeform: this always seemed surreal to asciilifeform -- like paying to be sat in jail [17:15]
ben_vulpes: relatedly, i recently saw a pitch for a very 'colorful' animated tv show (?) that would teach children the basics of html/css/js [17:16]
ben_vulpes: child abuse i tell you [17:16]
ben_vulpes: (but this is asciilifeform's line...) [17:16]
phf: i'm not even trying with these things, their current "events" page, and [17:17]
ben_vulpes: > break into the community [17:17]
mats: [17:18]
mats: workbar event on 'The Art of Giving a TEDx Talk' [17:18]
ben_vulpes: thing is terrifyingly long-lifed [17:19]
phf: mats: that's beautiful [17:24]
phf: look at the colouration on its wings, the segmentation of thorax [17:26]
mats: at least its free [17:44]
ben_vulpes: if your time has no value :D [17:54]
asciilifeform: in other noose... LYSO ( cerium-doped lutetium yttrium orthosilicate ) scintillator is apparently just the thing for rng. [18:44]
asciilifeform: incl. not needing a gamma source ( Lu-175, stable, is ~97.4% abundant, remainder is mostly Lu-176, 3.8e10 yr. halflife, ~1.2MeV gamma ) [18:45]
asciilifeform: thing fluoresces at 428nm peak. [18:47]
asciilifeform: so now the mega-question is the obvious one: [18:47]
asciilifeform: can you do by 1) taking 2 of these 2) letting'em 'fuck', i.e. mating open ends of the crystals together, and seeing if same output. [18:47]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 04:00 asciilifeform: ( now, good q is 'why do this?' and answer is -- 'you get analogue rng that is VERIFIABLE, just like the digital board in fg.' because you can pick up decay from below/above the board !!) [18:47]
asciilifeform: ( believe it or not, pieces of LYSO are commercially available and sold in massive qty, they are used in cosmic ray telescopy ) [18:48]
asciilifeform: << subj. [18:51]
asciilifeform: << subj epoxied to photodiode. [18:52]
asciilifeform: << spectra and moar. [18:54]
mircea_popescu: << oh so a starbucks ? [19:23]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-17 19:47 phf: but yeah a communal work coffee shop is a space that advertises itself as a coffee shop, but mostly consists of permanently parked people with laptops. i'd say about 7-10 years ago it suddenly was hip to work from coffee shop? [19:23]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform good point. what's the cannonical place i forget ? [19:24]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which place [19:28]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> noticed that 'wot' link on trilema www is still ye olde mike_c wot [19:28]
asciilifeform: aaah [19:28]
asciilifeform: trinque's , i think [19:28]
asciilifeform: << [19:28]
mircea_popescu: someone was making a visual explorer worked pretty well. [19:29]
mircea_popescu: << this shit's pretty sweet also. who had the visualiser, ben_vulpes ? [19:29]
asciilifeform: i thought ^this ~was~ the visualizer [19:29]
mircea_popescu: no, was graphical. [19:30]
asciilifeform: ah hm [19:30]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ? [19:30]
mircea_popescu: also the various presets on mike's thing were good, with the weighted averages he had. [19:30]
ben_vulpes: nono, trinque [19:31]
ben_vulpes: trinque's visualizer lives at [19:31]
mircea_popescu: gotta integrate all these into a thing [19:31]
ben_vulpes: well visualizer of 'M' doesn't mean much [19:32]
* asciilifeform idly wonders what % of the thing, by mass, is otc randos rating other otc randos in 2011 era [19:32]
ben_vulpes: << visualizer in action [19:32]
mircea_popescu: epic shit [19:34]
mircea_popescu: sorry for not linking it sooner. [19:34]
mod6: update: 453K+ blocks, into blk0050... the last one I had. [19:39]
mod6: should be done soon. will publish the results complete with nmon charts. [19:39]
asciilifeform: mod6: remind me plz what this was [19:39]
asciilifeform: eatblock time plot ? [19:40]
mod6: the offline eatblock of entire chain (or at least what I had before was getting blackholed) [19:40]
asciilifeform: aaah neato. [19:40]
mod6: yup. [19:40]
mod6: also, collected another 1.1Gb of entropy from fg since yesterday. [19:40]
asciilifeform: also neato [19:40]
mod6: running ent & dh on the output file. this was produced from the same fg unit that the blog was covering. [19:40]
asciilifeform: incidentally the moar, the merrier, many of the tests still loop at 1G. [19:41]
asciilifeform: (ask dieharder author why, not me) [19:41]
asciilifeform: tbh, imho it is quite ridiculous to loop the input. [19:41]
asciilifeform: it probably explains oddities like . [19:43]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-16 03:45 asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly -- << 1G of bytes from /dev/urandom on linux 4.2.3 . ) [19:43]
asciilifeform: << in other 'parody? or not..' lulz ! [19:49]
asciilifeform: 'The Global Consciousness Project Meaningful Correlations in Random Data ...when a great event synchronizes the feelings of millions of people, our network of RNGs becomes subtly structured....' [19:50]
asciilifeform: didjaknow!!1 [19:50]
asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, the tardano makers don't sleep, << New! Improved! with two... soldered-down shields. and oscillating voltage booster right on the pcb. [19:52]
mod6: Here are my results from the second run from the 1st FG tested: [19:59]
mod6: I'm going to collect one more 1Gb+ from this 1st FG, run the ent & dh again, and then move on to the next one. Results should be done in ~24hrs. [19:59]
asciilifeform: neato mod6 . [20:00]
asciilifeform: incidentally how did you power yours ? [20:00]
asciilifeform: (usb hub ? direct plug into pc ?) [20:00]
asciilifeform: if using hub -- be sure to use powered hub. [20:00]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems looping over 1g is rather nonsensical. [20:01]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dieharder's ~tests~ loop. [20:01]
mircea_popescu: i know. and i don't see why they would. [20:01]
mircea_popescu: which is why i said should prolly talk to guy see what he says [20:02]
mod6: I'm using the USB-TTL cable that I bought, separate from the one shipped with the fg. There's a picture of the connection up close in the blog post. It is plugged directly into the computer. [20:02]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu wouldja try and get him in here ? pretty pleez? [20:02]
mircea_popescu: i dont have an email! [20:02]
asciilifeform: mod6: nice. [20:02]
asciilifeform: hanbot around? [20:02]
mod6: lemme see if I can dig him up [20:02]
mod6: [20:03]
mircea_popescu: win. [20:04]
mod6: (Robert G. Brown) [20:04]
mod6: copyright at this page is denoted as 2017, so he must still be ~somewhat~ active. [20:05]
mod6: version listed at the site is 3.31.1, which is the same version I'm using. [20:05]
mod6: (see posted output files on my site) [20:06]
mircea_popescu: << were you any good at that ? [20:06]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-17 21:04 phf: i used to promote a bar in the same block (tom tom's, closed now), so i used to spend a lot of time in this area [20:06]
asciilifeform: mod6: i have 3.31.1 also. [20:07]
mod6: ok good to know. [20:07]
mircea_popescu: ><< speaking of, there's a whole "ted talks costa rica" "culture". [20:08]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-17 21:18 mats: [20:08]
asciilifeform: prng, e.g., aes(aes(...(0))) , or urandom, etc. give uniform distrib. and quickly ideal montecarlo for 'pi', etc. but , interestingly, same sort of dieharder out as FG, in that the level of 'happy' is directly proportional to the size of the collected blob, or rather, inversely proportional to # of the idiot rewinds. [20:14]
asciilifeform: << this d00d must have been very frustrated. i wonder if he understood the above. [20:14]
asciilifeform: now at the rate dh eats bytes, a fully rewind-free test of, e.g., FG would take... [20:16]
asciilifeform: ~6 years. [20:16]
asciilifeform: << recall these ? << illustration of the rewind thing. [20:22]
mod6: <+asciilifeform> << recall these ? << illustration of the rewind thing. << ah, interesting. who ran that, anyone recall? [21:03]
asciilifeform: !#s [21:04]
a111: 1 result for "", [21:04]
asciilifeform: looks like it was ben_vulpes [21:04]
mod6: i wonder if that was the one from osx. [21:07]
asciilifeform: mod6: my point was, small samples look like shit on dh, because 1000s of 'rewind' [21:08]
asciilifeform: regardless of where you got'em [21:08]
mod6: ah [21:08]
asciilifeform: and, apparently, the same tests weaken/fail in proportion to rewinds, regardless of whose rng you used, or even prng. [21:09]
asciilifeform: which i find quite odd. [21:09]
asciilifeform: ( i am speaking here strictly of rngs which ~do~ eventually converge -- as defined by 100% 'pass' -- at some realistically attainable sample size. ) [21:10]
asciilifeform: dh also does a very, imho, questionable thing, of throwing away most of the input (yes) on account of insisting on using new segment of the input for each test [21:12]
ben_vulpes: that last tidbit is interesting [21:12]
ben_vulpes: also the weakening tests [21:13]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: try it yourself [21:13]
asciilifeform: (with urandom or whatever else is in your box conveniently) [21:13]
mod6: wonder if the intent is to provide greater coverage of the pool [21:13]
asciilifeform: mod6: i still have 0 idea why author did this. [21:13]
mod6: even if, misguided. [21:13]
asciilifeform: it'd be easy to patch around. but i wanted to begin with classical dh. [21:13]
ben_vulpes: the last one strikes me as terrible experimental design [21:14]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i quite agree [21:14]
mod6: i'd like to have the discussion with rgb himself and see what the intent was there. [21:14]
ben_vulpes: sure yeah [21:14]
asciilifeform: that would be pretty neat. [21:14]
* ben_vulpes bbl, BABIES [21:15]
mod6: l8r [21:15]
asciilifeform: the sad thing is, dh was mostly used historically to test prng. so the 'waste' was, i picture, not seen as problem. [21:15]
mod6: I think I just reached the end of my eatblock test... [21:18]
asciilifeform: congrats mod6 [21:19]
mod6: height=454254 [21:19]
asciilifeform: lessee the numberz! [21:19]
mod6: aight, lemme work on getting a post put up here. [21:20]
mod6: 9181:40 = ~6.375 days [21:21]
asciilifeform: this was on a what? [21:21]
mod6: 2x Xeon 5650 (24 core) / 64Gb RAM / Kingston 1Tb SSD [21:22]
mod6: ok [21:22]
asciilifeform: ^ all but the last is mostly wasted on trb [21:23]
mod6: yah. this thing is like single thread. [21:23]
mod6: save your lulz for the charts [21:23]
asciilifeform: yeah, i'ma bbl. [21:23]
mod6: ok c-ya [21:25]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> which i find quite odd. << [21:35]
mircea_popescu: mod6 killing it with the quality blog posts [21:36]
mircea_popescu: !!up joerose72 [21:58]
deedbot: joerose72 voiced for 30 minutes. [21:58]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, >> BingoBoingo , qntra ? [23:04]
asciilifeform: ( gets rid of the js idiocy ) [23:05]
mircea_popescu: eh, bitfinex. [23:06]
* asciilifeform was a little surprised to learn that it was yet alive [23:10]
mircea_popescu: pretty much been trying to ride the news since day 0. sorta like the divorcee in rhodes island pretending she can't sleep because she's heard all the new york chicks got insomnia. [23:11]
* trinque been out all day, replacing shitty broken laptop [23:19]
trinque: x1 carbon's got bad ram, actually freezes its own firmware memory test. [23:19]
mircea_popescu: o.O [23:19]
trinque: gives one fail on "address test" before it's gone for good. [23:20]
trinque: I put one of those new AMD chip boxes together today no moar thinputers. [23:21]
trinque: mircea_popescu: is my wotviz thinger, needs an SVG capable browser and not much else [23:21]
mircea_popescu: yes it is splendid. i linked it. [23:21]
trinque: ah cool [23:22]
* trinque on 80char black and white display atm. obsd doesn't know what to do with this gpu [23:22]
mircea_popescu: no idea why i didn't before, but anyway. doesn't seem to have gone down from it either, so all good. [23:22]
asciilifeform: trinque: is that one of those boxes with soldered-down ram ? [23:22]
trinque: asciilifeform: but of course [23:22]
asciilifeform: ain't cheap, either. was there an up-side? [23:23]
trinque: got suckered in by the display resolution, 2560 by something. [23:25]
trinque: great fonts [23:25]
trinque: but no, that was the last purchase of that kind of item. [23:26]
mircea_popescu: getting rid of the whole "laptop" paradigm is great for both wrists and productivity anyways. [23:27]
asciilifeform: the big one was decent (w540) [23:28]
asciilifeform: still not a real comp, but you can't fit a real comp in airplane tray [23:29]
asciilifeform: no soldered-down ram, fwiw. [23:29]
asciilifeform: (even cpu -- removable) [23:29]
mircea_popescu: what % of your time last year did you spend in an airplane and what exactly would have happened had you taken a nap / chatted up random chicks / thought about your nails for the interval. [23:30]
asciilifeform: me -- ~none. but i also didn't use the stinkpad that year. [23:30]
mircea_popescu: i spent what, 0.3% or so of this year in airplane. had thinkpad with multiple batteries loaded up with films etc by diligent travel assistant / cocksucker. in the overhead tray it stayed. [23:31]
deedbot: << Qntra - Buttfunex's Fiat Banking Partners Move Towards Becoming Ex's [23:54]
BingoBoingo: Ex's in the Butt Fun! [23:55]
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