Forum logs for 14 Jun 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
asciilifeform: meanwhile in sads , i go and look and steve dutch's ancient and very entertaining www is... nomoar [00:24]
asciilifeform: but if this werent sad enuff : guess what : [00:24]
asciilifeform: d00d is alive and well and... in kolhoz: https://medium.com/@stevedutch by choice ! [00:25]
asciilifeform: ( i can only guess, being prof of geology at uni of wisc. dun pay much ? ) [00:26]
mircea_popescu: magic of disassociative thinking. [00:28]
mircea_popescu: "nobody would hold this ode to stalin against me, it's fashionable!" [00:28]
asciilifeform: he's also gone riotously pantsuit [00:29]
asciilifeform: .. or maybe not? somewhat contradictory fella [01:13]
asciilifeform: old age. [01:13]
douchebag: dissociative thinking? Where's the ketamine at [01:21]
douchebag: ? [01:21]
mircea_popescu: veterinarian clinics, usually. [01:27]
mod6: mornin' [10:07]
mircea_popescu: hey. [10:08]
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu mod6 [10:10]
mod6: hey hey [10:10]
mod6: ls [10:12]
mod6: damnit [10:12]
mod6: i better get a coffee [10:13]
asciilifeform: emacs-fiddling, mod6 ? [10:13]
mod6: naw, i just forget which screen im using [10:13]
asciilifeform: sorta why folx get separate keyboard, cabling, etc for the missile control console. so not to fughet. [10:14]
asciilifeform: ( among other reasons ) [10:14]
mod6: i've got like a bunch of computroboxes, a bunch of screens and like four keyboards. [10:14]
mod6: sometimes i lose track of where I'm at. [10:14]
asciilifeform: get rid of mousetronic focus, if you haven't yet. [10:15]
mod6: oh yeah, that's not the thing. I need to maybe tweek the setup here when I get a few minutes. [10:15]
mod6: lol, wasn't much of a problem when I only had a few boxen :D [10:16]
mircea_popescu: mod6, you evidently need a pincer helmet. [10:17]
mod6: heheh, something! [10:18]
lobbes: Hey mod6, not urgent, but could you create a pizarro banner in an avatar ratio? As much as I like the beachdick avatar I made, it doesn't communicate 'ISP' very well. Here's the size it'd need to be >> https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_138230.png [10:18]
mod6: i'll figure something out that works better. [10:18]
mircea_popescu: beachdick ?! oh i gotta see this thing [10:19]
mod6: hi lobbes [10:19]
* mod6 looks [10:19]
mod6: ok that beachdick image is 120 x 70 px [10:20]
mod6: you want something that looks like the others in that size? [10:20]
lobbes: Yes plox. If yer too busy I can probably do it, but consistency in branding etc. [10:20]
mod6: I can probably come up with something here today, sure. [10:21]
lobbes: I like how yours communicate all the selling points in a small space [10:21]
lobbes: Word. No rush at all. Im in the $saltmines anyways atm [10:21]
mod6: werd. it's a pretty small space, but I'll see what I can do. i'll hollar when i'm done, Sir. [10:21]
mod6: ok [10:21]
lobbes: Ty! [10:22]
mircea_popescu: lol mod6 finds a new life as a gfx designer for the web [10:23]
mod6: ikr. haha [10:24]
mod6: hey lobbes, does tardstalk still let you put a banner or skinny banner in your footer part or whatever (I feel like that used to be a thing?) [10:27]
mod6: if so, throw me a sample and maybe I can make one of those too. [10:27]
asciilifeform: !!up |\n [11:22]
deedbot: |\n voiced for 30 minutes. [11:22]
asciilifeform: |\n: hello...? [11:29]
|\n: asciilifeform, i feel guilty for getting voiced manually without bringing 0days lol but should i attempt to spread the word across chinese people as well? [11:30]
asciilifeform: |\n: yes [11:30]
asciilifeform: chinese, eskimos, whoever. [11:30]
mircea_popescu: |\n, could you get a nick that's not an absolute pain in the ass to type ? [11:30]
mircea_popescu: also, register a key already, i'll rate you, then you can self voice. [11:30]
asciilifeform: ( i dun have high hopes for 'word spreadings' but it is conceivable that somebody, somewhere, is 1) qualified to participate 2) will pull head out of arse for long enuff to actually do it ) [11:30]
mircea_popescu: unassednick, do you live in china ? [11:31]
asciilifeform: !!up unassednick [11:31]
deedbot: unassednick voiced for 30 minutes. [11:31]
asciilifeform: unassednick: register a key already. [11:31]
unassednick: no but i read a group of chinese people who know where the real internet is [11:32]
asciilifeform: nao i simply gotta ask, unassednick , where exactly is it [11:32]
asciilifeform: this 'real internet' [11:32]
mod6: lobbes: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_avatar1.png [11:33]
unassednick: outside of chinese great firewall, delusionally, yet i somehow feel they are capable in general [11:33]
asciilifeform: unassednick: so let's see them come here. [11:33]
mircea_popescu: unassednick, so knock yourself out. [11:33]
asciilifeform: afaik we dun have anybody who knows cn lang, but virtually any earthling lang will do [11:34]
asciilifeform: supposedly they have schools over there, and teach'em [11:34]
BingoBoingo: Alive, pictures coming to the blog today [12:11]
BingoBoingo: Apparently orc communication device tried to kill me in my sleep last night [12:14]
BingoBoingo: Battery did not swell, but microusb charger melted to phone's microusb port [12:18]
shinohai: !!v 65EF6684BE090173923810ECE27F3219732DA54B164030EF7FBB5155EA9A5B35 [12:20]
deedbot: shinohai rated douchebag 1 [12:20]
mod6: Sounds like you need a new phone BingoBoingo [12:20]
BingoBoingo: mod6: Picked one up this morning. Going to get it set up today. [12:21]
mod6: right on [12:22]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in monogamy, https://cdn.mpasho.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/jealous-girls-be-like_o_3140739.jpg [12:25]
lobbes: mod6: ah perfect! Worx and looks great (the green-on-black catches the eye well imo) >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4453723.0 [12:26]
mircea_popescu: mod6, totally got a green on black fetish, it's clear by now [12:26]
lobbes: As for signature banners, seems like they have odd rules re: those I think images aren't even allowed in sigs for $reasons [12:27]
mod6: lobbes: heey! thanks. ya, looks pretty good on there. [12:27]
mod6: ah, ok. well, was worth checking on. cheers! [12:27]
mod6: mircea_popescu: haha, yeah, i've been using it for quite a long time. [12:28]
lobbes: mircea_popescu: lol, rite? It's become his calling card [12:28]
mod6: my biz cards are the same way 0x00ff00 & 0x000000 with courier new [12:29]
Mocky: trinque, how goes this? I'm quite eager >> http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-06-jun-2018#2445684 [12:35]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-07 02:21 trinque: Mocky: I'll have something for you to try out in a few days, if you like. [12:35]
trinque: Mocky: the item from my original post builds again. I've yet to finish gathering everything required by the base system into a genesis vpatch, but that's next in the process. among them, I need to bring in ave1's gcc. [12:41]
trinque: I will update my original post with the former soon as I'm able, maybe tonight. that won't be "cuntoo", but it'll be enough to get assistance from other folks such as yourself to bring it to completion [12:42]
Mocky: trinque, this is the original post, correct? http://trinque.org/2017/12/30/wip-cuntoo-installer/ [12:50]
trinque: yep [12:50]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in steve dutch's bag o'lulz, https://archive.li/N2Bhn [13:17]
asciilifeform: ( tldr -- d00d tries, naturally fails, to invent the republic ) [13:17]
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform is an entomological connoisseur of 'clever fella tries to invent tmsr but fails on account of defective priors' artifacts. it's sorta like watching intelligent shaman try to build radio using voodoo doll action-at-a-distance, what to expect, fella never heard of electric fields , 'work with what i have!' ) [13:20]
lobbes: Interesting to see the bits he gets 'right' , such as no anonymity, but then to see him see him turn around and say essentially "horde of sybils are okay, as long as each sybil pays subscription fee of $100" [13:41]
asciilifeform: e.g. the alchemists, also got quite a few points 'right'. [13:43]
asciilifeform: dutch had not 1 but 2 successful, by internal measures, careers in the belly of the inca ( prof. of geology in 20th c usa , and sgt in army ) , manages to combine cult of centrally-administered 'ordnung' and lip service to 'private property' without any apparent mental friction [13:45]
asciilifeform: 'homo picketfenceicus' or how did mircea_popescu describe these. [13:46]
asciilifeform: !!up guestop [13:55]
deedbot: guestop voiced for 30 minutes. [13:55]
asciilifeform: guestop: hello ? [13:55]
guestop: hello [13:55]
asciilifeform: guestop: who are you , and what brings you to #trilema ? [13:55]
guestop: hm, loper-os.org and c101pa [13:56]
asciilifeform: guestop: you will probably want to read the chan log, http://btcbase.org/log/ , and make use of the search box, chances are that your q has been answered in the past week [13:57]
asciilifeform: !#s cr50 [13:57]
a111: 190 results for "cr50", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cr50 [13:57]
asciilifeform: !#s c101pa [13:57]
a111: 81 results for "c101pa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=c101pa [13:57]
guestop: thanks, just lurking [13:59]
asciilifeform: 'just lurking' isn't likely to do much for you, threads have beginnings, and measure in months, years. [14:00]
asciilifeform: ( and i suspect that there won't be much said re cr50 for a while, currently it is in dead waters ) [14:01]
asciilifeform: guestop: are you working on breaking cr50 yourself ? [14:05]
guestop: nope, I dont't have such skills :( [14:06]
asciilifeform: guestop: what skills do you have ? [14:06]
mircea_popescu: lol hardcore alf [14:06]
asciilifeform: lol i mean d00d was able to log in, knows how to set nick!11 must know ~something~.. [14:07]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, lobbes you're more patient than me. the only way i can interpret the sort of behaviour is in the bdsm terminology, as brats. and i can't fucking stand brats, not to mention they're the essential pinnacle of idiocy, "i know it dun work but it's more important that it's my dumb idea than that it works". [14:08]
asciilifeform: who knows, maybe guestop is a master burglar , can go and pinch for us that privkey [14:08]
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to shaman on deserted island / 5k years ago. it's another thing to moron (literally, the john smith followers, the original morons) in 1910. [14:09]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, was talking re dutch/locklin/whatever horde of these literate imbeciles. [14:09]
mircea_popescu: this "ima write poems in chuchka because russian too hard to learn" sorta bs really gets my goat. [14:10]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've found that some septagenarian u.s. academics are moar shaman than smith, do have some measure of native intellect that can be knocked out , potentially, of its inca track [14:10]
asciilifeform: granted it aint trivial [14:10]
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see this. [14:10]
asciilifeform: uncle al had his moments of clarity [14:10]
mircea_popescu: in my (admittedly, extremely extensive) experience, the only predictor of success is age. 20yo "domme" or "brat" or whatever can make perfectly fine slavegirl and thereby exist and matter. 30yo "submissive", can't. [14:11]
asciilifeform: hey wasn't it a mircea_popescu article where 'let's not cult of youth' [14:11]
mircea_popescu: but let's not cult of youth in adults. [14:11]
mircea_popescu: very much cult of youth in youths. [14:11]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck am i to do with a "us academic", ie, a 12 yo captive in a 60yo's body ? [14:12]
asciilifeform: potentially it's a 1950s 17 y.o., those can possibly work with. [14:12]
mircea_popescu: to put it another way : how about you prove to me that trinque didn't SAVE US a large pile of value by getting us rid of "reverse engineer" ? [14:12]
asciilifeform: quite likely that he did. [14:12]
mircea_popescu: entirely conceivable. who's to know the alternative futures. but the point stands -- the only thing i see when i see one of these old nothings is, "here's a hole you can pour sweat into forever" [14:13]
asciilifeform: however asciilifeform's measured suspicion is that the hypothetical clueful reverser is moar likely to resemble trinque's d00d than a 20 y.o. douchebag . [14:13]
mircea_popescu: because this is how they age -- they become ever more elaborate in their idiocy. THIS is the deep meaning of "Interesting to see the bits he gets 'right' , such as no anonymity, but then to see him see him turn around and" : he didn't get anything right. [14:14]
mircea_popescu: he's just fuzzing the field, is all. [14:14]
mircea_popescu: grudgingly including bits that he doesn't want to exist. [14:14]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that matter is extremely hard to discern. [14:14]
mircea_popescu: but let's model this properly, for the sake of record : [14:15]
mircea_popescu: idiot (I) consists of ordered list (L) of statement trees (Ti). each individual statement in each tree is either true or false relatedly to this, every tree is either solid or nonsense. [14:16]
mircea_popescu: aging in the wild, in this model, is the process whereby the cardinal of L and the length of individual Ts in that L grows, so as to avoid removing any of the initial Ts. [14:16]
mircea_popescu: aging in the republic, contrarywise, is the process whereby the cardinal of L and the length of some Ts shrinks, so as to remove as many Ts and T elements as possible. [14:17]
mircea_popescu: these processes both directly mimic the evolution of software in empire and republic and directly illustrate the problem : aging is a net negative for they outside the republic. it ~decreases~ their value, monotonically, irrespective of any other considerations. [14:18]
mircea_popescu: the more they spend "thinking", the more they'll have to spend thinking to get rid of the elaborate elucubrations they came up with and not even linearly "the more", i'm affraid it's exponential. [14:18]
asciilifeform: naggum's 'read only brains' , as valuable when aged as a burnt 2007 debian iso [14:19]
mircea_popescu: and so this is the deep root of what i mean when i say "he didn't get anything right" : the ~only reason~ he included $republican-item in his soup is to support some other batshit insanity it's not a root but a frill for him -- as proven by the fact that were it root, it'd have rid him of the batshit he aims to hang on it. [14:20]
mircea_popescu: but as it is, the moment the idiocy he is protecting goes away, so goes away his perceived need for whatever "he got right" and there you sit, wondering, "hey, i taught you this a year ago, where did it go ?!?!" [14:21]
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you where : bitch only "learned" it to protect something else thereby. [14:21]
asciilifeform: well he wants , roughly, the effect ( 'get my 1972 academy of sciences again' or the like) but has no possibly correct priors on which to work. hence shaman's radio. [14:21]
mircea_popescu: and therein is the problem entire : he wants, and thereby he can never escape the inca. let him want somewhere else, he's soiling my floors. [14:22]
asciilifeform: what , in the abstract, does he want, that mircea_popescu finds intrinsically retarded ? [14:22]
asciilifeform: ( i can name example, but curious re what mircea_popescu has in mind ) [14:22]
mircea_popescu: the fact that he wants, i find intrinsically retarded. [14:23]
asciilifeform: he's not the 1st, nor last, to admit to wishing for a pre-1993 net [14:23]
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to "wouldn't it be nice..."/ [14:23]
mircea_popescu: it's anotehr thing to "shit, this train's going the wrong way" [14:23]
mircea_popescu: it's quite another thing to wants and yes, he definitely wants, because if he didn't he'd just proceed from cause and would have been here begging his pardons upon the first time he read the logs, rather than fail to do so the 500th. [14:24]
asciilifeform: chukcha shaman is not lost soul because he wants to communicate over 100km distance, he's a lost soul because he hasn't heard of hertz or maxwell's or at all touched the relevant material [14:24]
mircea_popescu: no, he's lost soul because he wants to communicate. that upon so wanting he then proceeds to "sate" that want "as best can be done" is not even separable. [14:25]
mircea_popescu: the only correct approach is "i couldn't give less of a shit about all of it and what's this do ?!" [14:25]
mircea_popescu: hence the whole http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ discussion and so on. [14:26]
asciilifeform: this is much higher bar than mastering integrals and building radio. [14:26]
mircea_popescu: not at all. [14:26]
mircea_popescu: it is the natural state the idiocy is ~inculcated~, by idiot mothers principally, through ~sexual abuse of children~. [14:27]
mircea_popescu: that's what it is : he wants, and thereby i know he was raped as a child. [14:27]
trinque: was just about to say, he's praying, or calling for mother, on his blog there. [14:27]
asciilifeform: trinque: d00d's a christian, as far as i can tell, possibly (or not , i am not equipped to discern) in the danielpbarron style [14:27]
mircea_popescu: what style is that ? [14:27]
asciilifeform: 'trusts in allah but ties the camel' [14:28]
mircea_popescu: ha. [14:28]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: upstack -- do i misunderstand the model, or is the idea 'troo unbonsaikittened mind , proceeding from cause, will find the republic on own engine power, guaranteed' ? [14:29]
mircea_popescu: yes. [14:30]
asciilifeform: weren't as recently as yesterday, the thread re btc exchange rates, that we're a fairly small target in fairly large galaxy ? [14:31]
mircea_popescu: there's nothing ~creative~ here, in the meaning of creative of "you gotta say 39834908503485093485 and you'll never manage this magic number by trying numbers". [14:31]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, large galaxy dood was repeatedly linked from here etc. gimme a break, he knows. [14:31]
mircea_popescu: the other fucktard in the class was periodically whining his idiocy at me, if i recall. [14:32]
asciilifeform: he certainly knows nao, i left him a few comments, lol [14:32]
mircea_popescu: "never heard of allah" is a bit of a joke. got wikipedia, amirite. [14:32]
mircea_popescu: it took me all of half week to find the bitcoin-otc in 2011, and this considering a) i hadn't been on irc in a decade b) i thought computers are idiotic and computer dweebs idiotic-er still for simply being involved with them c) was looking for sufficient cause to dismiss this bitcoin bullshit. [14:34]
mircea_popescu: what, is the proposition that i'm some kind of genius ? [14:34]
mircea_popescu: i'm no genius, i just don't lie to myself. [14:34]
asciilifeform: well i managed to escape finding mircea_popescu for >1yr ( and even then had to be dug up with excavator ) but possibly i went to wrong kindergarten.. [14:34]
trinque: shit, we gotta hop dimensions and go save counterfactual alf now [14:35]
asciilifeform: lol [14:35]
trinque: take the example of esthlos recently, dood was being kinda hard to read, uncommunicative. I jabbed directly at forehead on that matter, and lovely vtron pops out the other side [14:36]
trinque: good example of working brain [14:36]
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta why i sometimes try and apply the excavator to other folx. but it to date always ended the same uninteresting way, and the most parsimonious hypothesis re why is afaik mircea_popescu's [14:37]
asciilifeform: !#born esthlos [14:38]
a111: 2017-12-16 <esthlos> hello [14:38]
a111: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752137 [14:38]
asciilifeform: oh hey thx phf , shows the link nao [14:39]
phf: in before mircea_popescu's "must be one line" [14:39]
asciilifeform: i'd be content with just the link [14:40]
asciilifeform: ~6mo from birth to useful proggy, is pretty great imho. [14:41]
asciilifeform: !!up nikki_ff_ [14:42]
deedbot: nikki_ff_ voiced for 30 minutes. [14:42]
asciilifeform: nikki_ff_: do you know how to talk ? [14:43]
asciilifeform: !!up nikki_ff [14:43]
deedbot: nikki_ff voiced for 30 minutes. [14:43]
mircea_popescu: phf, it should be one line. [14:50]
asciilifeform: trinque: in trips down lulzmemorylane, asciilifeform blew a good % of 2011 on halfcocked attempt to get miner going on surplus-usg boards with xilinx fpgas (in varying conditions of mutilation) [14:51]
mircea_popescu: anyway, no shortage of examples, trinque came in, asked specific questions, got specific answers, blew his mind away, changed his nick. [14:51]
mircea_popescu: or recently Mocky fellow. or so on. [14:51]
mircea_popescu: functioning brain is not imaginary object. [14:51]
asciilifeform: trinque: ( somewhat unsurprisingly, i found that they cut the tracks. bastards knew what they were doing. ) [14:51]
asciilifeform: iirc trinque came in via ben_vulpes [14:53]
asciilifeform: ( to complete the lulzpic earlier -- by the time asciilifeform figured out how to pump in candidate-headers and pump out solved nonce strictly via the intact jtag header , diff was already up in the sky ) [14:55]
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has lengthy personal history of traveling expensive, painful dead ends, and hence somewhat sympathetic to figures like dutch [14:56]
lobbes: Hell, I came in and started reading logs in mid 2014. Took me damn near 2 years to grok what I was reading and finally produce something useful [14:58]
lobbes: Lucky for me, my Ti branches were easy to prune: I simply had to grow a shit-ton of Ts [15:00]
asciilifeform: lobbes: i suspect that mircea_popescu nails it, prolly unlikely that anybody will ever overcome the radiation damage from being 70 y.o. and collecting usg pensions [15:00]
asciilifeform: it's rather like asking hiroshima surviver to complete in olympiad [15:01]
asciilifeform: ( possibly unlike mircea_popescu , asciilifeform does not believe that dutch was necessarily a defective 20 y.o. ) [15:02]
mircea_popescu: !#born undata [15:03]
a111: 2014-10-17 <undata> mircea_popescu: ty [15:03]
a111: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-17#879132 [15:03]
asciilifeform: ( dutch, for instance, signed up to shoot communists in vietnam. was this necessarily act of a defective 20yo ? ) [15:04]
mircea_popescu: nope. [15:04]
mircea_popescu: i don't have any clue of what dood was when he was 20 yo but he ain't it now. [15:05]
asciilifeform: right [15:05]
mircea_popescu: wolf-child, incapable of speech, is also not thereby necessarily "was retarded 2yo". [15:06]
mircea_popescu: point is, when he was 2yo he didn't use his brain in the manner of people but in the manner of wolves. that window of brain plasticity meanwhile closed, and if he'll never be a very good wolf, he's certainly not getting to enroll to people university. [15:07]
mircea_popescu: and so is dutch stuck with the academia. and so is boring-40yo stuck with "her family". and so on. [15:07]
mircea_popescu: when we originally met, chet was more than twice my age. she got a divorce and moved to romania of all places. so no, it's not impossible. but then again, the chain of possibility is an ~unbroken~ thing, much like the chain of blocks or the chain of trust. [15:08]
mircea_popescu: if it's broken you can make predictions. [15:08]
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824840 << why not save that shit for oh, iono, the DMV? do you tell the fucking IRS "i'll get to it when i get to it"? no, you stand in line/wait on hold for three hours, thrilled as fuck to say "urr, hurr, yes sir" at the endless tide of bullshit, then come here and practice what you should've said to them, to us? completely fucking misdirected. [15:09]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 01:55 cnomad: i'll get to it when i get to it [15:09]
mircea_popescu: and to bring this to a very plain example, the reason ~natural~ slavegirl says http://trilema.com/2018/when-cherri-met-rae-rae-also-met-cherri/#selection-3537.0-3539.57 is because she correctly intuits that the whole basis is "i've never said no to you", ie, unbroken chain of obedience. (and the reason she's a natural is exactly that she intuits this sort of thing, and so on.) [15:09]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: some folx are loose enuff in the glue trap that energetic particle can knock'em out of it [15:10]
mircea_popescu: hanbot, ikr ? somehow this never occurs to the idiots. [15:10]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, woman even said this somewhere, i dun recall where, possibly on one of her meanwhile disappeared blogs, that "i used to think my walls were white then you sat there and against your shirt they looked grey". [15:10]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not know where originally written, but it was reproduced in your obit [15:11]
mircea_popescu: what loose what glue trap ? you're either looking or you're not looking and if you're not looking a) age dun improve anything and b) god himself riding on a pogo stick can'd help you. [15:11]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ah ok then. [15:11]
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/#selection-333.158-333.312 [15:13]
mircea_popescu: there we go. [15:14]
* asciilifeform can usually peg these 1 or 2 nodes away from the epicenter in the graph, from memory [15:14]
mircea_popescu: and yeah, do you realise this, i wasn't even wearing black shirts until some point past bitcoin. [15:14]
mircea_popescu: if one's into sads, one should look at what's left of anarchism, in the contemporary pantsuit retellings. [15:15]
asciilifeform: what's left of pretty much errything, lol [15:15]
mircea_popescu: for some reason that was a most delicious unhappening & rehapenning target. [15:15]
* asciilifeform brb,meat [15:16]
ben_vulpes: https://concorde.ua/rs/daily/item_72528/ << in bizarro international contract-rewriting news from last year [17:11]
ben_vulpes: "the stockholm international arbitration court cancelled retroactively the take-or-pay clause forseen in the 2009 contract with Russia's Gazprom" [17:11]
ben_vulpes: "While the rulings of the Stockholm court were not made public...Naftogaz managed to avoid Gazprom's major claim ... almost 60% of Ukraine's GDP", so is this "the poor ukranians can't actually even pay the penalty, so we're cancelling the clause"? [17:13]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the ukrs get ~phree fuel, for 'reasons' [17:13]
ben_vulpes: what 'reasons'? [17:16]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: chiefly that ru doesn't want a full blown syria on its border [17:17]
asciilifeform: ( it can absorb, apparently, a coupla 100k runaway ukrs per yr, but not 'all of them at once' ) [17:17]
ben_vulpes: why the very expensive gazprom clause then? [17:18]
asciilifeform: gotta at least try to recoup cost, neh [17:19]
asciilifeform: observe that lolmart does not hand out food for 100% phree, either [17:19]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's a great deal of 'inside wank' in re mechanics of urkdom for instance, a number of sov-era factories, producing e.g. rocketry gear, were stranded on wrong side of the border on independence day and it took a rather long time to complete (afaik, it's largely complete) the process of replacing their goodies with ru-local production [17:28]
asciilifeform: ( until 2014-present round of ukrwank, there was not particularly large incentive to do said replacement , trade ~worked ) [17:29]
asciilifeform: ru remains by and large the ~only trading partner of the ukrs (~nobody else wants any of their shit even for free) [17:30]
asciilifeform: for a while they have passable chocolate (roshen corp, having privatized su-era confectionaries) but today even it is inedible, having finally gone full bore soy crapola [17:31]
asciilifeform: the rocket nozzle etc. plants , from what i hear, are in full throttle 'termite hollowing' mode as we speak, being sawed apart and carted away by various foreigners for fire sale prices [17:33]
asciilifeform: ( the time for ben_vulpes to go there, and maybe do some hunting, is prolly nao or never ) [17:34]
asciilifeform: the folx referred to in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818497 thread, were actually discussing the matter [17:35]
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 03:16 asciilifeform late evening, listening to elderly ukrs derp on shortwave re horror of their neet chillunz derping on ipnojes where to read re antennae design putin. [17:35]
asciilifeform: 2 freshly-unemployed , seems, engineers. [17:35]
ben_vulpes: interesting stuff, ty asciilifeform [17:43]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: most of this, is no sort of seekrit, ftr [17:43]
asciilifeform: ( the ukrs are somewhat inadherent to even concept of secret, they make usg look light a tight operation ) [17:45]
asciilifeform: *look like [17:45]
asciilifeform: they are also undergoing, since even prior to '14, a kind of 'reverse fire sale', with joys of the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498362 kind [17:46]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 19:30 asciilifeform: last i recall, they fitted 'general electric' fuel rods to the 1 remaining sov reactor, it is a pop waiting to happen [17:46]
asciilifeform: dumping ground market ( while they've got anything to spend ) for rubbish that even ru folx won't buy [17:47]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825578 << fuck them and their lukewarm http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-123.521-123.558 bullshit. [18:24]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-14 21:35 asciilifeform: 2 freshly-unemployed , seems, engineers. [18:24]
mircea_popescu: whore GETS TO WORK. yes naked, yes on hands and knees, yes right nao. [18:24]
mircea_popescu: whore lines are "hey, do you want me to tell you a joke ? if it's not fukky you can fun me for free" not fucking hilary clintonisms & naggingisms a la "let me tell you some shoulds" [18:25]
mircea_popescu: in other words, elderly ukrs got insufficient assfucking, i hope their childrens get sold to fight in africa. what fucking iphones. [18:26]
asciilifeform: pretty clearly insufficient. [18:27]
mircea_popescu: if i can't something it's an argentine. [18:27]
asciilifeform: was the subj of thread, ukrs being given an undeservedly soft landing onto the inevitable spike pit at considerable expense , by ru et al [18:28]
asciilifeform: i've nfi how they've managed to stretch out their pile of su-era 'white man built' goodies, into ~30yrs of derping. must've been one hell of tall pile. [18:31]
mircea_popescu: or maybe the surrounding atmosphere also sunk [18:43]
mircea_popescu: but in other lulz : these little orcs here, they fucking love soccer. love it. and it's the world cup, and their group is... serbia. and brazil. [18:44]
mircea_popescu: it'll be a wonder if they score one goal. but they're excited!!! [18:44]
mircea_popescu: chicks in team colors going down the street and whatnot. banks falling over each other to sell world cup branded banknonsense [18:45]
* hanbot fully expects the cr team to ask .rs and .br if there's anything they can do to help them kick their own asses [18:49]
mircea_popescu: poor guys / [18:51]
BingoBoingo: The orks here have... the saudis, Russia, and Egypt in their group [18:55]
mircea_popescu: uruguay has some history at least. [18:59]
BingoBoingo: Well, they have won. Their lack of ambiton though... Everyone is talking like making the QUARTER FINAL is the stretch goal they are cheering for... [19:00]
BingoBoingo: And they've won several times... plural I have been told [19:00]
BingoBoingo: First time they won was maybe a kilometer away from here though [19:01]
BingoBoingo: In a civilizations that don't have taboos against ambition, they'd be cheering to win [19:11]
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/14/if-not-one-thing-the-other/ << Bingo Blog - If Not One Thing The Other [20:24]
a111: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789 [22:03]
trinque: a111, put phf's vodka down! [22:05]
mod6: :D [22:07]
mircea_popescu: lmao wtf. [22:12]
mircea_popescu: but, to put meat on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825496 before cosmic rays fuck the wetware memory of it, the impetuus for c) was very much spyked, as per http://trilema.com/2011/economia-unui-joc-multiplayer-probleme/#comment-55648 [22:13]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-14 18:34 mircea_popescu: it took me all of half week to find the bitcoin-otc in 2011, and this considering a) i hadn't been on irc in a decade b) i thought computers are idiotic and computer dweebs idiotic-er still for simply being involved with them c) was looking for sufficient cause to dismiss this bitcoin bullshit. [22:13]
mircea_popescu: this very much ~wasn't~ the first mention of bitcoin on trilema, there's earlier march http://trilema.com/2011/de-ce-trebuie-protejat-angajatul/#comment-43648 and april http://trilema.com/2011/guvernul-cu-rata-de-succes-33/#comment-47237 mentions by a fellow named gheorghe [22:13]
mircea_popescu: these went nowhere because a) not directly related to something i was working in at the time and b) not nearly as well respected source in my eyes -- though perhaps the order's reversed. in any case, it was very much "guy i know raised a sorta-objection to the completeness of my research which had to be remedied", and if one thinks the bias in such a context is ever anything but "get rid of it" that one's very naive indeed. [22:13]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the actual finding was july 22nd 2011 (as per authentic & historically accurate http://trilema.com/2013/noob-mp-or-how-it-all-began/#selection-1437.0-1437.47 ), which is to say THE NEXT DAY. no fucking half week. [22:13]
mircea_popescu: it's very true that i'd have never given a shit had nobody said something to me about it on my blog but it's just as true that ~the reason~ i took that stance was specifically that someone ~was going to~ say something to me on my blog, about that as about anything else worth the note, because that's what i built it as for fucks' sake. [22:13]
phf: please to disregard drunk a111 [22:14]
mircea_popescu: and so no, there's no fucking excuse. if one has an equivalent of trilema, that claim may only be permitted to stand IF IT IS FUNCTIONALLY EQUIVALENT. if it does the same thing. i think nothing of, picking randomly, orlovs' blog, or yarvin's blog, or you name the idiot, anil dash, fucktard mcdumbsticks, whatever, BECAUSE their blogs don't fucking work. and "i have a lot of '''traffic'''" isn't a working, and "i get paid to ad [22:14]
mircea_popescu: vertise" isn't a working, and so fucking on. [22:14]
mircea_popescu: and if one ~doesn't~ have the equivalent, because one is a nomad, one fucking finds things on his own. i get it, not everyone can own a castle, to wait for carts of grain to come in for the market. fine. BUT ONE STILL EATS. [22:15]
mircea_popescu: this "i am a bum and i sit under bridge" thing is not a thing. [22:15]
mircea_popescu: check out how fast i type now btw!!! i took a class! [22:16]
mircea_popescu: i suppose the missing crown on this entire thread is to be had by coming back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679600 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825478 and point out that currently accepted theorems, be they in physics, math, what have you, including whatever you wish to include, thales, archimedes, pythagora, descartes, gauss, WHATEVER aren't "things known to be true". [22:46]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did. [22:46]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-14 18:26 mircea_popescu: hence the whole http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ discussion and so on. [22:46]
mircea_popescu: they're ~things not presently known to be false~, and in the case of physics they actually are "things we know are false but don't know where". [22:46]
mircea_popescu: what fucking "want". managing to sit on a chair correctly is accomplishment enough. [22:49]
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