Forum logs for 14 Jun 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
BingoBoingo: !!up erlehmann [00:00]
deedbot: erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes. [00:00]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in spatial geometry, http://68.media.tumblr.com/6fb688cfd739d379bebd42697cc76871/tumblr_opboqorfJH1uwdmljo1_1280.jpg [00:04]
BingoBoingo: Oh my that must be some cold glass! [00:12]
BingoBoingo: Truefax https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/1930563 [00:14]
BingoBoingo: https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/1931664 [00:16]
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-13-jun-2017#2295185 >> 'Replace your public email with an inbox that pays you Set up a 21 profile to receive paid messages from people outside your network. Keep the money, or donate it to charities like Black Girls Code. It's like LinkedIn InMail, except you get paid!' [00:18]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 03:56 BingoBoingo: And it appears 21.co killed their node tracker [00:18]
asciilifeform: ^ is what appears there nao [00:18]
BingoBoingo: Well it shouldn't have been so fat. Nao it's got butterbrain. [00:19]
asciilifeform: 'oh noez, everyone on www can see that gavintron-of-the-day has ~0 nodes' 'must deleeeet!111 node viewrr' [00:19]
asciilifeform: lizard rep : 'why cantya just put in faeks' 21co gauleiter : 'oh but we always listed ip and port, folx can try and connect, so nao you gotta make at least aws sybils' lizard : 'mno, won't do, just nuke it' [00:22]
mircea_popescu: black girls code ?! [00:23]
asciilifeform: for all asciilifeform knows, there is also 'giraffes code' [00:24]
asciilifeform: 'charity' [00:24]
mircea_popescu: i have never seen a african-american (which is very dubiously black, but anyway) female coding. [00:24]
asciilifeform: next : 'black code MATTERS' (tm)(r) [00:25]
erlehmann: mircea_popescu maybe that is exactly the point. making it happen, i mean. [00:30]
mircea_popescu: sorry, what's the context here ? [00:30]
mircea_popescu: !!up erlehmann [00:31]
deedbot: erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes. [00:31]
erlehmann: 1. person rarely sees black girls code 2. person decides this to be an injustice 3. person founds charity with intention to align world with personal sense of justice [00:32]
erlehmann: (well, that's *one* plausible story) [00:33]
asciilifeform: asciilifeform also has not seen them working arc welders. when charity for ~this~ ?? [00:33]
asciilifeform: ... and it pays better, typically, than programmer. [00:33]
asciilifeform: and unionized. [00:33]
asciilifeform: so when 'Black Gurlz Weld' ? [00:33]
asciilifeform: where do i send cheque ? [00:34]
erlehmann: i suspect welding might not have enough prestige to get that attention. but that's speculation. [00:34]
asciilifeform: who thinks that programmer has 'prestige' still, is smoking strong tobacco. [00:34]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann ah ah i see. well, why is person dedicated to seeing specific classes of people code ? i don't care. [00:35]
mircea_popescu: let them code if they want to, what. [00:35]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly, arc welders. not to mention that unlike "coders", welding is actually skilled profession. [00:35]
erlehmann: originally i assumed that this kind of activism works like “i measured variable X, which is a proxy for injustice, let's just fix X by some means” [00:36]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaha [00:36]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann ima make a charity for gluing all odometers to the same value, wtf. [00:36]
erlehmann: i once crowdfunded new underpants for a known troll who lost them during moving. people donated 300€. [00:37]
mircea_popescu: nuts. [00:37]
erlehmann: i did not donate. lesson: other people care about things i do not care about. [00:37]
mircea_popescu: either that or they're just stupid / inspired by satan. [00:37]
erlehmann: or greedy [00:38]
asciilifeform: printolade has this effect, where idiots are awash in >subsistence moneys. prick'em and they bleed it -- like ground once gushed with delicious petro without so much as proper drilling in 19th c [00:38]
mircea_popescu: after all they buy "music records" and whatnot. [00:38]
asciilifeform: aha [00:39]
asciilifeform: and 'harry potters' etc [00:39]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann how's greedy go ? they don't get anything for the underpants subscription do they ? [00:39]
erlehmann: warm fuzzy feeling [00:40]
asciilifeform: the evaporation of the buying power of said printolade, also nuked the immune systems of the chumps, [00:40]
erlehmann: re activism, i suspected quotas work like “we found that women talk significantly less in our gatherings than men, even though they represent ⅔ of in-group. this is an injustice. let's make a rule that men can't talk more, that'll fix it” [00:40]
mircea_popescu: i suppose maybe it's a conversation piece, "pay 10 euro and get to avoid how obviously you lack anything to say for one evening" [00:40]
asciilifeform: e.g. 'this dollar here, i can buy literally NOTHING with, why not drop it on Shitstarter' [00:40]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann this sounds so fucking stupid it is probably swedish. [00:40]
asciilifeform: erlehmann: this literally happened at 'occupy wallstreet' [00:40]
asciilifeform: i watched with own eyes. [00:41]
erlehmann: my criticism regarding such stuff was that fixing the measured variable does not fix the injustice and might even create perverse incentives [00:41]
mircea_popescu: hence the odometer remark. [00:41]
asciilifeform: i mean literally. as in , as erlehmann described. [00:41]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they really had absolutely nothing to say, did they. [00:41]
asciilifeform: i might even have it filmed, collecting dust. [00:41]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: noshit.jpg [00:41]
mircea_popescu: just 100% "i'm here to take selfies of having been here for my fb page" [00:41]
erlehmann: asciilifeform i had such an experience in a group as well [00:41]
erlehmann: not at OWS, of course [00:42]
erlehmann: also i stopped attending the group soon after i learned about that [00:42]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann i still have nfi what can be just or injust about ELECTIVE FUCKING BEHAVIOUR. [00:42]
mircea_popescu: guess what, more black girls ride black cock than azns! THE INJUSTIwhat ? [00:43]
erlehmann: oh, people can be weird about stuff. peer pressure, etc. pp. [00:43]
erlehmann: at the conference i was at the weekend there was a workshop on anal exploration [00:43]
erlehmann: spoiler: i did not learn anything new [00:43]
erlehmann: intro was teaching people about asking potentially offensive consent questions. [00:44]
erlehmann: like, making them able to [00:44]
mircea_popescu: the what ?! [00:45]
mircea_popescu: jesus. [00:45]
erlehmann: i know i have no problems asking whatever, in most circumstances. EV of asking a person for sexual favors is positive in many situations. [00:45]
erlehmann: many people know this [00:45]
erlehmann: and still have problems asking (which is elective behaviour) [00:45]
erlehmann: or even saying no (which also is) [00:46]
mircea_popescu: if i were a woman, i'd be seriously put off by some dude who wanted to give me anal fissures and isntead of fucking asking me about it, recited some recipe he had found online / at some conference / whatever the fuck. [00:46]
mircea_popescu: "gee, you sound exactly like the other fifty schmucks. don't they have men where you're from ?" [00:46]
erlehmann: so for example a women came up to me and asked “can i smack your ass?”. i consented, she did just that. when i asked, if i can do the same to me, she declined. a weird moment occurred when she told me a few moments later that she only declined because she wanted to practice saying no. [00:48]
erlehmann: weirds me out [00:48]
erlehmann: apologizing for such stuff [00:48]
mircea_popescu: whole thing sounds like a retard reservation, really. [00:48]
erlehmann: it actually turns me off if people instead of saying “no” outright start to tell a story about their issues i might or might not want to hear (even if true) [00:48]
mircea_popescu: stuff should have been done in junior high, that's why it's even there. [00:49]
mircea_popescu: well, that and the multiplication table. [00:49]
erlehmann: regarding elective behaviour, peer pressure works [00:50]
erlehmann: regarding welding: https://www.arc-zone.com/blog/carmenelectrode/about/tips-for-women-in-the-welding-industry/ [00:51]
erlehmann: note “It’s estimated that only 5% of welders in the U.S. are women.” [00:52]
erlehmann: implying injustice [00:52]
mircea_popescu: sounds about right [00:52]
erlehmann: but also: writer had no idea that welding was a good career option [00:52]
mircea_popescu: the % part, not the redditardesque interpretation thereof. there's nothing just or injust about % distributions of elective behaviours. [00:52]
mircea_popescu: it's actually twice as good as any collegiate bullshit of the "Criminology" ilk, in the sense that a welder can support a fucktoy, but two "college degreed" nobodies can barely afford a cat. if they scrounge. [00:53]
erlehmann: people often elect to do stupid shit because their peers do it. if a person during 1990ies looks like a member of the trenchcoat mafia on stock photos it is entirely possible that they came up with it independently. very unlikely, though. [00:54]
mircea_popescu: i do not credit this because one whit. what proof do you have to support the notion ? [00:55]
asciilifeform: plenty to go from , from welding also -- a crane operator can support 2-3 fucktoys [00:55]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think i have a story about a plumber. supported a buncha them. [00:55]
erlehmann: mircea_popescu i have problems parsing “i do not credit this because one whit.” [00:55]
asciilifeform: aaha but i was speaking of the very threadbare usian world asciilifeform actually lives in, vs porn plumber planet [00:55]
erlehmann: why would one want to support other people if considering them fucktoys? [00:55]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann you said "people do because peers do". i do not see any grounds for the proposed causation. [00:56]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann for the fun of toying. [00:56]
erlehmann: mircea_popescu are you aware of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments ? [00:56]
mircea_popescu: why would one support other people if they DIDNT consider them some kind of toys ? [00:56]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann i am aware, yes. [00:56]
erlehmann: i see stuff like that everywhere. might be confirmation bias, though. [00:57]
mircea_popescu: are you aware you could increase your lifespan by 5 years by becoming a woman ? [00:57]
mircea_popescu: it's not even confirmation bias. it's just inept bullshit. [00:57]
erlehmann: care to explain? [00:57]
asciilifeform: 'get married, grow taller' [00:57]
mircea_popescu: yes. but first, you ever read for instance the story of the airplanes ? [00:57]
erlehmann: probably not. i have no idea what you are referring to right now. [00:58]
mircea_popescu: alright, here : http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/ [00:58]
mircea_popescu: say when you've read it and we continue the discussion of statistics, correlation, causation, proofs and so on. it's certainly a conversation worth having. [00:59]
erlehmann: ok [00:59]
mircea_popescu: !!up erlehmann [01:07]
deedbot: erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes. [01:07]
mircea_popescu: !!gettrust deedbot erlehmann [01:12]
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections. [01:12]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann try voicing yourself, save us the hassle. [01:12]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann say !!up in pm to deedbot, then say !!v ah there you go. [01:17]
erlehmann: i just automated parts of it, that is why it took some time [01:18]
mircea_popescu: aite. [01:18]
erlehmann: i read the airplane text. i like it, actually. tits-in-dirt accounting, breast-fixated fuckwits, slutty statistics – that text might fit into any queer zine for all the wrong reasons. [01:22]
mircea_popescu: lel. [01:22]
mircea_popescu: ok, so now, let me ask you a question : [01:22]
erlehmann: also women of either gender! [01:22]
mircea_popescu: suppose i own a company, as i happen to. suppose this company employs one hundred widget lickers, as it doesn't. suppose one day one widget licker dies, and i advertise the open position. suppose one hundred candidates present themselves, and one is selected. suppose this happens a few times over a year, and over the years. [01:23]
mircea_popescu: would it be fair for me to go before the shareholders and say, "our company employs the top of the top in widget lickers, only the first percentile ever make it in" ? [01:23]
erlehmann: ha [01:24]
mircea_popescu: but you are right on the subsidiary point, trilema is essentially a queer zine for the 1%. [01:25]
erlehmann: i know this “we hire only the best” meme and would consider it dishonest, but maybe acceptable if used as idiot gauge. [01:26]
mircea_popescu: mno. specifically : [01:27]
erlehmann: failing to see the difference between “best who applied” and “best in industry” → back to logic school [01:27]
mircea_popescu: consider there are one hundred companies, just like mine. consider that whenever one of our widget licker leaves one company, another one hires him. consider that there's 99 idle fucktards who aren't qualified to drive, who also show up EVERY TIME, but are never selected. [01:27]
erlehmann: even more hilarious when companies narrow pool through “must live in SF” [01:28]
mircea_popescu: whenever you hire, you hire "one of the guys that could be hired", NOT "one of the guys that showed up under the apparent hallucinatory notion that they could be hired". [01:28]
erlehmann: i get it [01:28]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann exactly. so now, that's the source of the whole "get married - grow two inches" mockeries. [01:28]
erlehmann: so [01:29]
mircea_popescu: it is also the fundament of stuff like http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/ [01:29]
erlehmann: i read that already [01:29]
mircea_popescu: ie : just because lincoln destroyed the republic under the pretext of "destroying the ghetto" does not mean there's no more ghetto. slaves are slaves, men are men. the republic is in shambles, that's it. [01:30]
mircea_popescu: alright, i guess that brings us in sync then. [01:30]
mircea_popescu: now. did you want to ask something ? [01:30]
erlehmann: about the text? [01:30]
mircea_popescu: about something. originally this started by you making a comment and me asking to sync first. [01:31]
mircea_popescu: i thought. [01:31]
erlehmann: i guess were chatting about people conforming to their peers regarding elective behaviour. i think most do. if i understood you correctly, you do not share that opinion. [01:31]
mircea_popescu: i do not. [01:32]
mircea_popescu: do cells conform to their peers regarding genotype expression ? [01:32]
erlehmann: i do not feel confident enough in my knowledge about biology to be able to answer that one. [01:33]
erlehmann: mircea_popescu something like this, maybe? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28406206 [01:34]
mircea_popescu: alright. if you observe a parking lot, and see there are a lot of similar tubs on wheels there, do you expect the cars conform to their neighbours ? [01:34]
erlehmann: money quote [01:34]
erlehmann: > We analysed time series of lizard scale colour dynamics over four years of their development and demonstrate that this pattern is produced by a cellular automaton (a grid of elements whose states are iterated according to a set of rules based on the states of neighbouring elements) that dynamically computes the colour states of individual mesoscopic skin scales to produce the corresponding macroscopic colour pattern. [01:34]
mircea_popescu: alright ? [01:34]
erlehmann: not sure if this can be called conforming [01:34]
erlehmann: mircea_popescu i get the car analogy. i would not ascribe agency to the car, therefore i might at best assume that car owners conform to their neighbours. [01:35]
mircea_popescu: and why would you ascribe agency to the average muppet ? [01:35]
mircea_popescu: what, if any, is the actual basis of this notion ? [01:35]
mircea_popescu: leaving the theory aside, from actual, observed practice -- the muppets don't conform to their neighbours, but are conformed to their neighbours. by the muppet owners, yes. [01:38]
erlehmann: i see where you are going with this [01:38]
mircea_popescu: alrighty. [01:38]
mircea_popescu: and obviously this all ties directly into my blasting of the whole "Social learning" lulz on trilema and here recently, if you've been following that. [01:39]
erlehmann: well, that would be one critique for the quota/empowerment thingy (would you say “quotatron”?): a theater for persons with characteristics might end up with persons that exhibits the characteristics, without changing something about society. [01:41]
mircea_popescu: but the fundamental problem is that it, characteristically, pretends there's 0 indirection layers. [01:41]
erlehmann: indeed [01:42]
mircea_popescu: much like google, pretending bayesian filtering over large bitfields is "artificial intelligence", much like inept dorks pretending raw notation of "observed phenomena" is science and so following. [01:42]
mircea_popescu: all the way down to the little guy, preteding raw reality vomit unfiltered and uncomprehended is "his life experience" [01:42]
mircea_popescu: and ostensibly "you couldn't understand because you haven't experienced" bla bla. [01:43]
erlehmann: regarding elective sexual behaviour, i observed people acting slutty if they know it is a) acceptable socially (i.e. their friends are doing it) b) they learn that it is possible (e.g. non-monogamy) [01:43]
mircea_popescu: and by people you mean women. [01:43]
erlehmann: so maybe there's no empowerment going on there, just a slut filter being installed [01:43]
mircea_popescu: i also observed that 9th graders all agreed sucking cock is very vulgar, only to agree four years later that only losers don't eat the penis. [01:44]
mircea_popescu: generation after generation, pattern repeats because contrary to what people thing, they don't really matter all that much. [01:44]
erlehmann: i observed differently, but my first girlfriend was probably some kind of underage succubus. [01:44]
erlehmann: i get the point [01:45]
mircea_popescu: so yeah, weak male expression will drive the females to overactive courtship. [01:45]
mircea_popescu: ~the only thing "socially acceptable sluttines" signifies is small dicks. [01:45]
erlehmann: i was a wimp when i was 12. [01:45]
erlehmann: care to elaborate? [01:46]
mircea_popescu: i think everyone's a wimp when they're 12. [01:46]
erlehmann: metaphorical dicks? [01:46]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann why do you suppose afghani women don't go around topless ? is it because twitter hasn't perked up awareness enough yet ? [01:47]
erlehmann: loaded question. probably because of whoever is in power there to make the clothing rules. [01:48]
mircea_popescu: but maybe it's because http://trilema.com/2013/attention-cunt/#selection-29.0-26.2 only holds in the oregon woods, not in the afghani hillside ? [01:48]
mircea_popescu: i've yet to encounter someone who was in power in the sense of making clothing rules. consider augustus tried to get people to wear the toga. [01:49]
erlehmann: re agency: i had a talk with a syrian electrical engineer yesterday. he needed a ride and explained that mostly young people flee that conflict because every side sees them as potential fighters. that was the moment where i decided that the neo-nazi meme “they wan't our jobs and our women” ascribed way too much agency to immigrants. [01:51]
erlehmann: that conflict → syria [01:51]
mircea_popescu: well, the arab notion is that young males are ~offal. [01:51]
mircea_popescu: whereas the anglo reich notion is that young shemales are god's gift to creation. [01:52]
mircea_popescu: so there's a pretty thorny dilema, become a faggot or a fighter ? they'll despise you anwyay, and you'll lose parts you actually liked anyway, but hey. [01:52]
mircea_popescu: no country for young men. [01:52]
mircea_popescu: but no, ~nobody wants the fat ugly us/eu women. [01:53]
erlehmann: re fighter/faggot: when my grandfather was still alive, he showed me a photo from before the second world war. he was there as a young child with lots of other males. [01:54]
erlehmann: he then went on to “this one wanted to become a submariner, this one wanted to become a war hero” etc. pp. [01:55]
erlehmann: punchline: everyone else on the photo was a very dead fighter. [01:55]
erlehmann: grandfather was still alive, cowardly. [01:56]
erlehmann: i approve [01:56]
phf: asciilifeform: http://www.av8n.com/turbid/paper/turbid.htm [01:57]
erlehmann: mircea_popescu what do you consider thorny? [01:57]
phf: erlehmann: you have no honor, like a woman! [01:58]
erlehmann: phf deutsche haben sowieso keine ehre! [01:58]
phf: not an oglaf fan i see [01:59]
erlehmann: i am http://oglaf.com/honor/ [01:59]
erlehmann: one of my favourites is the one with statues you can fuck [02:00]
erlehmann: http://oglaf.com/porkchisel/ [02:01]
erlehmann: worst thing on conference was drunk guy who wanted to have my contact details after i told him that his captive portal will be truly fucked soon-ish and every other stranger at the lunch table agreed. [02:02]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann what do you mean what do i consider thorny ? things that have to be approached indirectly, or else. [02:03]
erlehmann: > <mircea_popescu> so there's a pretty thorny dilema, become a faggot or a fighter ? [02:03]
erlehmann: i don't see the dilema, re syria [02:03]
mircea_popescu: why, just because you like going shopping ? [02:03]
erlehmann: either die for nothing or live in sweden [02:03]
mircea_popescu: where you die for nothing, except fat old and lonely. [02:04]
mircea_popescu: who the fuck are you to die for something, anyway. [02:04]
erlehmann: i should have been more precise, probably. [02:05]
erlehmann: i interpret choice fighter/faggot as a) fight in war, die soon b) go away, die probably much later [02:05]
mircea_popescu: you think adding the decimal points might save the credit card statement that was in the red a coupla grand by just adding the hundreds ? [02:05]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann yes, much like some priestly dude with aspirations to science interpreted "learning" to mean something nonsensical. [02:06]
erlehmann: though the syrian told me that refugees of both sexes he knows seem to have trouble finding partners in sweden [02:06]
mircea_popescu: i have no objection : when you beg the question, you get what you begged for. [02:06]
erlehmann: maybe because they are not bdsm bazillionaires (re: war) [02:06]
mircea_popescu: no, but because people tend to despise vermin. [02:06]
mircea_popescu: it's kind-of innate. [02:06]
erlehmann: surprisingly, he described sweden as very welcoming and not at all racist [02:07]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/46E2BC3DFECF66D5EB114D753CC7C15EDCC1601F9583FFE3D74CB86158CA41A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1108...6429 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '32.215.44.114 (ssh-rsa key from 32.215.44.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown US CT) [02:07]
mircea_popescu: right. i'm sure it is. [02:07]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/46E2BC3DFECF66D5EB114D753CC7C15EDCC1601F9583FFE3D74CB86158CA41A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1324...4823 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '32.215.44.114 (ssh-rsa key from 32.215.44.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown US CT) [02:07]
mircea_popescu: i think you might've had the people/vermin division wrong. [02:07]
erlehmann: mircea_popescu not finding GF → evidence of racism! [02:07]
mircea_popescu: the swedes are the maggots. [02:07]
erlehmann: i understand completely [02:08]
mircea_popescu: they live in sweden, after all. [02:08]
erlehmann: country shaped like penis [02:08]
mircea_popescu: lol. is it ? [02:08]
erlehmann: on my keyboard, m and f are not right next to each other [02:08]
mircea_popescu: on mine neither. [02:09]
erlehmann: mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/hyLRDo1.jpg [02:09]
erlehmann: seems finland serves as sweden's balls [02:09]
mircea_popescu: lmao. [02:09]
mircea_popescu: ok, not bad. i guess i didn't spend enough time staring at that part of europe at the rightr age. [02:10]
erlehmann: i feel enlightened, but also sleepy. bye [02:13]
mircea_popescu: nn [02:13]
erlehmann: ? [02:13]
mircea_popescu: good night [02:13]
erlehmann: oh, i won't sleep, probably. but i have mindless work to do and i feel in the right state of mind for that. [02:15]
mircea_popescu: alright, so enjoy. [02:15]
erlehmann: my coworkers say similar things. i always answer that work does not feel enjoyable for me and programming is not fun. [02:15]
erlehmann: i am kinda glad about that [02:16]
mircea_popescu: fine, SO SUFFER [02:16]
diana_coman: erlehmann, getting a picture ready with "this one wanted to NOT HAVE FUN" ? [02:16]
diana_coman: fwiw I talked to former army pilots they had lots of pictures of lots of males as you might imagine the punchline was...WHAT FUN WE HAD [02:17]
diana_coman: and yes, some of them were dead [02:17]
erlehmann: i made a tripping haskell programmer smile when i was like ALGOL – NO FUN ALLOWED [02:17]
mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever met anyone i'd let into the house who was death-avoidance-oriented. [02:18]
erlehmann: diana_coman of course, the goal of war is not do die for your country, but to make the other basterd die for theirs [02:18]
erlehmann: > death-avoidance-oriented [02:18]
erlehmann: DOA [02:18]
mircea_popescu: DAO. [02:18]
erlehmann: wait [02:18]
erlehmann: DAO [02:18]
erlehmann: :D [02:18]
diana_coman: that's not even the point one of them apparently kept being promoted/demoted in times of peace because he was a. an excellent pilot b. apparently unable to not have fun regardless of whether it's "permitted" or not [02:19]
mircea_popescu: lol [02:20]
erlehmann: i am thoroughly glad that i do not find work fun because it means i do not lose motivation when others do not have fun. [02:20]
mircea_popescu: there's a great film with cagney, about such a guy [02:20]
diana_coman: my take away from your picture story is that apparently each of those in the picture got pretty much what they wanted so... [02:20]
mircea_popescu: he's a dancer. but he also gets the visiting french president to do his bidding by showing him ww2 decorations etc [02:20]
erlehmann: diana_coman Инфа 100% [02:20]
mircea_popescu: thick 1950s us agitprop, but not bad [02:20]
erlehmann: ah, the train fills [02:21]
mircea_popescu: !~google the west point story [02:22]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The West Point Story (1950) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043123/> The West Point Story (film) - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_West_Point_Story_(film)> The West Point Story (1950) - Overview - TCM.com: <http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/16073/The-West-Point-Story/> [02:22]
erlehmann: mircea_popescu was the cell conforming thing ment as a metaphor only or do you have something to share on cellular automata? [02:22]
phf: it seems like a questionable move to speak for your friend's motivations like that. sort of a classic moralist move "oh these bikers who were fucking, taking drugs, and riding wild DIED YOUNG!!1" [02:23]
mircea_popescu: erlehmann there's absolutely no relation between the mathematical model of cellular automata and biological cells. [02:23]
erlehmann: have you read the paper i linked? » http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670094 [02:26]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 05:34 erlehmann: mircea_popescu something like this, maybe? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28406206 [02:26]
mircea_popescu: i didn't read it no. i skimmed. [02:26]
mircea_popescu: but really, skin pigmentation in reptiles ? not really a good example. consider -- why are all liver cells liver cells [02:28]
erlehmann: what would be needed to convince you that the researchers found a correspondence between a cellular automaton on a hexagonal lattice and skin cells? [02:28]
mircea_popescu: nothing. i'm convinced of that. [02:28]
mircea_popescu: besides, one day i found a correspondence between the direction in which my dog barked and whether it was gonna rain that day. [02:29]
erlehmann: assplain [02:29]
mircea_popescu: it's the oldest profession this, what! "bet you a dime the next person coming in the door will be female" [02:30]
mircea_popescu: it's not science, it's street urchinism. [02:30]
erlehmann: i can't follow. → sleepworking [02:32]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670142 << this is pure gold, ty for posting, phf . it's rng-nonsense from back when folx were posting ~erudite~ nonsense, rather than the regular redditola snore [08:29]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 05:57 phf: asciilifeform: http://www.av8n.com/turbid/paper/turbid.htm [08:29]
asciilifeform: phf: notice how the discussion of DAC artifacts omits... the clock [08:31]
asciilifeform: phf: ... or where the author elaborately justifies 'whitening' [08:32]
asciilifeform: at least in sect. 7 he admits that one oughta be able to switch it off prior to tests. [08:33]
asciilifeform: which puts him ahead of the entire 2005-present crop of derps [08:34]
asciilifeform: incidentally at one time quite a few folx, incl. some of the people here, used sound card rng [08:40]
asciilifeform: ( there is an old thread where mircea_popescu mentions it asciilifeform at one time also used ) [08:40]
asciilifeform: a sound card rng is considerably better than... none at all. but this is all that can be said for it. [08:40]
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/9AZcm << meanwhile, the forkwarz folx. '...the Bitcoin industry came to an agreement in New York...' didjaknow!! [09:49]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670140 << aaaaaand that is how we got merkel germany [09:51]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 05:56 erlehmann: grandfather was still alive, cowardly. [09:51]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670194 << i don't know of any su-world mil autobio that ~wasn't~ a 'what fun we had' [09:54]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 06:17 diana_coman: fwiw I talked to former army pilots they had lots of pictures of lots of males as you might imagine the punchline was...WHAT FUN WE HAD [09:54]
* asciilifeform aficionado of genre [09:54]
asciilifeform: whereas academics ( esp. -- unsuprisingly -- emigre academics ) invariably penned 'how much it sucked, how oppressed' etc [09:54]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670195 << modern figure for su peacetime pilot attrition was, iirc, ~10% [09:56]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 06:17 diana_coman: and yes, some of them were dead [09:56]
asciilifeform: as in, specifically splat -- not counting anybody who died of vodka, motorcycle, etc [09:56]
asciilifeform: which, i suspect, is as it should be [09:56]
asciilifeform: it was serious problem because the ~hardware~ was costly and ever in shortage -- rather than new d00dz [09:57]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I kind of suspect the what fun vs how oppressed is a good way to tell what sort of person is talking basically [09:58]
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg [09:58]
diana_coman: heh [09:58]
asciilifeform: though with emigres it was somewhat complicated, some of them were (how does one even say this in english?) 'serving out their pay' [09:58]
diana_coman: I did notice some difference at old veterans of both wars - not really much talk of fun exactly but certainly not that impressed with death either [10:00]
diana_coman: and yeah, no idea re Americans exactly - my interactions were mainly with Europeans and I'd say biased towards Eastern Europe too [10:00]
* asciilifeform also [10:01]
asciilifeform: by the time i got to usa, most of the people worth talking to, were dead. [10:01]
diana_coman: the only trouble with the emerging image of academia as "the land of how opressed" is the fact that...I knew some old real academics too and they...had fun also! lol [10:03]
diana_coman: so maybe more a sign of degradation rather than anything else (and yes, when I went into academia initially it was based on what I knew from those old people - the shock/unpleasant surprise was quite huge) [10:04]
diana_coman: by old people I mean born around 1920 [10:05]
asciilifeform: aaaha, the ~last generation-of-people-worth-talking-to [10:38]
asciilifeform: the inescapable picture is that ww2 was the last time euro civilization's clock was wound. [10:45]
asciilifeform: and the spring's running down. [10:45]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670156 << 'die not the straw death !' (tm)(r)(odin) [10:51]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 06:04 mircea_popescu: where you die for nothing, except fat old and lonely. [10:51]
asciilifeform: 'The sluggard believes | he shall live forever, If the fight he faces not But age shall not grant him | the gift of peace, Though spears may spare his life.' ( havamal , bellows' translation ) [10:54]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670157 << see also >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244654 [10:57]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 06:04 mircea_popescu: who the fuck are you to die for something, anyway. [10:57]
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 23:55 mircea_popescu: what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ? [10:57]
asciilifeform: !#s right to marry her dog [10:58]
a111: 5 results for "right to marry her dog", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=right%20to%20marry%20her%20dog [10:58]
asciilifeform: ^ winged phrase, this one, mircea_popescu [10:58]
asciilifeform: fwiw i can't picture serving in a nato army and NOT deserting and/or going to enemy at the first opportunity. [11:00]
asciilifeform: possibly is why asciilifeform is not in a nato army. [11:00]
asciilifeform: plug embrasure with yer arse, for clitler ? for soros ? srsly ? [11:01]
mircea_popescu: !!key Miezip [11:03]
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/9A9CDD44037D16CCDADCFB0FFF8BD9433CC6423C.asc [11:03]
shinohai: https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2017-the-ether-thief/ <<< It's a mystery! or, how to rewrite history in your favour .... [11:08]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670238 << the history of computing is fulla this. not to mention the history of eastern europe. [11:09]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 12:40 asciilifeform: a sound card rng is considerably better than... none at all. but this is all that can be said for it. [11:09]
mircea_popescu: shinohai good thing they figured out who satoshi was, at least. [11:09]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670239 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-11#1668571 [11:10]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 13:49 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/9AZcm << meanwhile, the forkwarz folx. '...the Bitcoin industry came to an agreement in New York...' didjaknow!! [11:10]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-11 04:51 mircea_popescu: it'll never end, this constant stream of improved improvements, until they're literally fucking buried, the muppets, will it. [11:10]
asciilifeform: 'Thousands of dreamers and schemers and developers who populate the cutting edge of computer science, most of them young, had invested in the DAO. This was real money, a quarter of a billion dollars, their money, meant to build a better version of the world, and every cent was at risk.' << gold [11:10]
mircea_popescu: maybe we should start doing this, "the united states came to an agreement" bla bla. [11:10]
asciilifeform: konsensoos!!! [11:10]
mircea_popescu: "the united states has agreed during a conference in #trilema to cede florida back to spain" [11:15]
mircea_popescu: why the fuck not. [11:15]
mircea_popescu: historical justice etc. [11:15]
mircea_popescu: in fact the above agreement re the florida cession will actually do more than the even above-er "agreement" on talking-about-bitcoin-from-outside-bitcoin [11:16]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670242 << it gets better. caragiale (possibly only romanian in the history of that political concoction to be suspectable of intelligence) praises greatly „Maior C Pruncu — Din campaniile mele (Crimeea, 1855, Algeria, 1856—57, Italia, Maroc, 1859). Tipărită la Bârlad în 1900, la tipografia George V Munteanu” [11:21]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 13:54 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670194 << i don't know of any su-world mil autobio that ~wasn't~ a 'what fun we had' [11:21]
mircea_popescu: ie, a book from 1900 about a major's "what a great time we had" re 1850s wars. [11:21]
asciilifeform: lol why not also include anabasis. [11:22]
mircea_popescu: it was ~never different~. the male hut was this port in athens, where fun was had. the female hut was this literal hut, where they groomed and talked dumb shit. [11:22]
asciilifeform: ( the mega-originator of genre!! ) [11:22]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just did lol. [11:22]
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying -- this is universally and without exception true, in all cultures, times and places. [11:22]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point being that "man's greatest possible as well as actual aspiration is to wait upon some dumb cunt and the miserable maggots that crawl out of her cunt with some regularity" was never in history socially acceptable or socially accepted. it became the norm post ww2 not for any reason than because it is a prerequisite (among many other) for stacking pseudo-people like sardines. [11:25]
mircea_popescu: the 1850s major and his ilk WOULDNT HAVE FIT in the baby boomer producing cheap housing. [11:26]
asciilifeform: hey even asciilifeform barely fits [11:26]
mircea_popescu: aha. [11:26]
* asciilifeform occupies entire 'standard american' house and has it at this point mostly packed like nazi sub [11:26]
mircea_popescu: and the whole story of "oh, 1800 style squalor and poverty and five points erradicated!!! great ourdemocracy progress!!!" is really just very caked on masking upon the base fact that "we redirected all resources away from fun, so that now there's nothing to do but wait to die a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670156 [11:27]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 06:04 mircea_popescu: where you die for nothing, except fat old and lonely. [11:27]
asciilifeform: the 1850s d00d probably would barf before even entering sorry hovel : 'where is the pasture ? whaddayamean quarter acre of shitmud ? ' [11:27]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the funhny thing is, baby boomer producing cheap housing is ~what obama gets today [11:29]
mircea_popescu: ie, GREAT GRAND LUXURY! [11:29]
asciilifeform: i thought he bought an 'old money' 19th c thing [11:29]
asciilifeform: but i did not go an' see, no [11:29]
mircea_popescu: "bitch, we've come so very far, your socialism and me, that now i gotta be president to get the house a returning midshipman'd have got" [11:29]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-08#969958 see also. [11:30]
a111: Logged on 2015-01-08 14:06 cazalla: it all shrinks, i grew up visiting my opa's backyard on the weekends, spending week days in my own parent's smaller backyard, what do i have for my own son? next to fucking nothing, no-one has kids, no-one has familiies, no-one can afford shit, land of opportunity my fucking ass [11:30]
asciilifeform: see also also, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-07#1265005 [11:30]
a111: Logged on 2015-09-07 04:00 mircea_popescu: in the 50s a bank CLERK lived in roughly what alf thinks palatial. [11:30]
mircea_popescu: it's an important exercise, for the "land of the free home of the brave" soviet union citizen 2.0, to review the 1950s movies, and implicitly what things looked like. [11:31]
asciilifeform: sorta why they quasi-banned them [11:31]
asciilifeform: the old films. [11:31]
mircea_popescu: which is i suppose why they don't./ [11:31]
asciilifeform: esp. the pre-1940s ones [11:31]
mircea_popescu: what, like bette davis stuff ? [11:32]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-08#969953 <<< bweahaha 2015 [11:33]
a111: Logged on 2015-01-08 14:02 mike_c: there's another 14 btc for bitbet investors. maybe this bet will spark a rally in the stock. [11:33]
asciilifeform: the ones where ~anyone worth the mention has 'hired help', etc [11:33]
mircea_popescu: mm ? [11:33]
asciilifeform: general idea : the 'packed sardine herders' want the old world -- forgotten. the one that built the flat asciilifeform grew up in -- built 1907, 4 metre ceilings [11:34]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670249 << i tell you, if i was airforce command, i'd throw a hissy fit, and not rest, nor let anyone sleep, until it was less than 1% [11:34]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 13:56 asciilifeform: which, i suspect, is as it should be [11:34]
asciilifeform: with frescoed chandelies. [11:34]
asciilifeform: *chandeliers [11:34]
mircea_popescu: if you ever played heroes you know you CANT FUCKING LOSE TEN PERCENT OMFG YOU ARE ALL FIRED WITH STICKS [11:35]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no can do with su iron [11:35]
mircea_popescu: will fucking do it. [11:35]
asciilifeform: part of what did it was the reluctance to catapult [11:35]
asciilifeform: tradition was that a man ought not unless so ordered. [11:35]
asciilifeform: often not ordered quite in time. [11:35]
asciilifeform: (because how) [11:36]
mircea_popescu: dude, i'm sleeping i nthe factory, it's not gonna be 10% [11:36]
asciilifeform: i suspect that you can choose b/w 'realistic training conditions' ( e.g. worst weather, iced runways, live fire, overrevving, overceilinging, spins ) and everybody-lives [11:37]
asciilifeform: xor. [11:38]
asciilifeform: prolly dun have to lose 10%, but with su iron -- is what they lost. [11:38]
mircea_popescu: not everybody though. [11:38]
mircea_popescu: just, if you're gonna get rid of them, shoot them while fucking cadets wtf. [11:39]
mircea_popescu: i'm not spending flight hours on horsemeat. [11:39]
asciilifeform: they very often sacked cadets. [11:39]
asciilifeform: something like 70-80% [11:39]
mircea_popescu: aha [11:39]
asciilifeform: http://militera.lib.ru/bio/reshetnikov_vv2/index.html << mega-b00k on subj. [11:42]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670259 << famously, gah! [11:42]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 14:03 diana_coman: the only trouble with the emerging image of academia as "the land of how opressed" is the fact that...I knew some old real academics too and they...had fun also! lol [11:42]
mircea_popescu: so i was gonna quote this story with my grandfather regretting the time of stalin, except apparently it's not in the log ? and there's even attempts to find the shit, like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-15#1433159 [11:42]
a111: Logged on 2016-03-15 02:00 mircea_popescu: !s "we were younger then" [11:42]
mircea_popescu: but the idea being, dude went from romania to odessa and then to tatra mountains. and then came back and was uni professor. [11:42]
mircea_popescu: veterans can be academics too! [11:43]
mircea_popescu: in fact, anyone can. and horses, senators. [11:43]
asciilifeform: e.g. asciilifeform's grandfather [11:43]
asciilifeform: ( not famous ) [11:43]
mircea_popescu: there's no bar of entry to the derpy professions. [11:43]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, pushing a point, famous because i recounted it [11:43]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670273 why thankee. [11:46]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 14:58 asciilifeform: ^ winged phrase, this one, mircea_popescu [11:46]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670275 << possibly why the last time "nato army" even existed as such was mid-early 1990s. today it's entirely a parade & "technical support and training" affair. [11:47]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 15:00 asciilifeform: possibly is why asciilifeform is not in a nato army. [11:47]
asciilifeform: oh hm earlier meant to link to https://profilib.com/chtenie/24163/valeriy-grigorev-obrecheny-na-podvig-kniga-pervaya.php -- b00k re ~peacetime~ aviators, with almost same title (though the other is more well known, this was specific to thread) [11:48]
mircea_popescu: also is why asciilifeform is not in nsa :D [11:48]
asciilifeform: lol, could have been , at one point was starving and volunteered [11:49]
asciilifeform: ( see old thread ) [11:49]
mircea_popescu: aha [11:49]
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, like ~all of the other boys he knew, wanted nothing more than to be in red army, ideally circa 1942 or so [11:53]
mircea_popescu: o, really ? [11:53]
mircea_popescu: i didn't. [11:53]
asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise [11:53]
mircea_popescu: lol why ? [11:53]
asciilifeform: well mircea_popescu's 1942 was a little different neh [11:54]
mircea_popescu: later, as a young man i mean, they begged me to go, but i couldn't be arsed. [11:54]
mircea_popescu: different than what ? [11:54]
asciilifeform: than asciilifeform's [11:54]
mircea_popescu: i dunno. how was it different ? [11:54]
asciilifeform: in the sense where it was the beginning of 50 yrs of su yoke [11:55]
asciilifeform: for mircea_popesculandia [11:55]
mircea_popescu: eh, listen, the practice and the ideological theory dun work so well in practice. for one thing, dja know the caer rules were adjusted basically to accomodate...romania ? [11:55]
mircea_popescu: no fucking eu law was ever modified in the same manner. [11:55]
mircea_popescu: otherwise, militarily, ceausescu opposed the invasion of czechoslovakia, basescu opposed thje invasion of serbia, 0 diff. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, moscow got bombed, iassy got bombed, whatever, ww2 in europe. [11:58]
asciilifeform: tru [11:58]
mircea_popescu: teh russkis stole all the u-rich quartz and the muricans stole all teh wood. [11:59]
mircea_popescu: really i dun see teh difference. [11:59]
mircea_popescu: at least the russians used it to make bombs. these fucktards grind perfectly fine pine down to mix it with glue and make their stupid paper wasp nests, it's gross on top of being stupid. [11:59]
trinque: http://archive.is/dLlaV << gunman shot up some soi disant republicans [12:14]
shinohai: !~ticker --market all [12:16]
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2545.18, vol: 20943.24354882 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2554.66, vol: 7050.59913 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2455.0, vol: 28753.44948263 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2752.64, vol: 11607.26100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2561.0, vol: 9226.5424327 | Volume-weighted last average: 2545.53910647 [12:16]
trinque: 50 to 100 shots fired... "several" hit. lol? guy was a star wars fan or something? [12:16]
trinque: shinohai: pls halp. I maxed my cards out at 3k [12:19]
asciilifeform: from same rag, 'Uber Technologies Inc director David Bonderman said on Tuesday that he has resigned from the company's board following a remark he made during an Uber staff meeting that was widely seen as offensive to women. "There's a lot of data that shows when there's one woman on the board, it's much more likely that there will be a second woman on the board," Huffington said. In response, Bonderman said: "Actually, what it show [12:25]
asciilifeform: s is that it's much more likely to be more talking." Bonderman, who is a founder of private equity firm TPG Capital, an Uber investor, shortly after wrote an email to Uber staff to apologize. In his resignation statement that followed on Tuesday evening, Bonderman reiterated his regret...' [12:25]
asciilifeform: ( https://archive.is/RFrcx ) [12:26]
trinque: recalling the thread with diana_coman the other day, this'd be the difference between competent women finding places of authority and female culture saturating social arrangements. [12:28]
asciilifeform: the competent folx, you will generally never hear about, unless firsthand [12:28]
asciilifeform: the talkers -- will hear, see, read on front page of völkischer beobachter.. [12:28]
shinohai: >.> [12:28]
mircea_popescu: trinque very aptly put [12:32]
asciilifeform: "several" hit << notice, 0 corpses. psyop. [12:32]
asciilifeform: well, 1 corpse, the trigger man [12:32]
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2017/fucking-goats/ << Daniel P. Barron - Fucking Goats [12:32]
asciilifeform: oh hey [12:32]
asciilifeform: neato danielpbarron ! [12:33]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: http://nosuchlabs.com updated with link to your piece. [12:36]
danielpbarron: neat [12:37]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: re /dev/random, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669632 [12:43]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-13 21:27 jurov: asciilifeform: sorry to be shitharbinger, just writing to /dev/random is not enough https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/141197/why-writing-to-dev-random-does-not-make-parallel-reading-from-dev-random-faste [12:43]
asciilifeform: ( linux malignantly does The Wrong Thing here ) [12:44]
mircea_popescu: it is for to protect teh chitlins. [12:44]
BingoBoingo: OMG, WILL TRUMP OCCUPY BELLEVILLE? [14:04]
BingoBoingo: <trinque> 50 to 100 shots fired... "several" hit. lol? guy was a star wars fan or something? << Terrorist from Belleville aka East-East St Louis. Write up incoming [14:09]
mircea_popescu: he had to destroy the village to save the village [14:09]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670230 << it is the kind of nonsense either one of us could've written in younger years, so yeah, old school. [14:10]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 12:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670142 << this is pure gold, ty for posting, phf . it's rng-nonsense from back when folx were posting ~erudite~ nonsense, rather than the regular redditola snore [14:10]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> "several" hit << notice, 0 corpses. psyop. << Notorious local crank [14:10]
phf: including the intentionally omitting parts not from malice, but from not exploring it enough in hopes that it somehow holds true [14:11]
mircea_popescu: ah, youff. [14:18]
asciilifeform: phf: and by dac i meant of cource adc, lol [14:21]
asciilifeform: ( think of adc sampling artifacts as similar to the pixel moire you see when old vhs camera filmed room with crt display.. ) [14:21]
asciilifeform: phf: 'not exploring it enough in hopes that it somehow holds true' is in fact the essence of bad rngology [14:23]
asciilifeform: 'whitening' and all the other sins, flow from it [14:23]
asciilifeform: of 'symmetric ciphers' also ('i cannot break, therefore strong!!') [14:23]
mircea_popescu: "i cannot bed, therefore whore" [14:23]
asciilifeform: 'i dun seem to get off the ground by flapping arms, thereby flight is impossible for man' [14:24]
mircea_popescu: "i never had anything to say worth 4mb, therefore should be enough for all trilemas" [14:24]
asciilifeform: re whitening, it might be interesting to apply 'dragonfly fpga' to 'distinguish sha'd bitstream from nonsha'd' [14:26]
mircea_popescu: o wait, i got the best one [14:26]
mircea_popescu: "people are fundamentally good, and there's a spark of essential human-ness in everyone" [14:26]
asciilifeform: lolly [14:26]
asciilifeform: in other veryveryolds, https://archive.is/PQIyo << moar re the 'altalena affair' , for aficionados [14:37]
asciilifeform: 'The elected Zionist leadership under David Ben-Gurion detested the two "dissident" groups. First, because they prevented it from conducting the policy it considered right. Every time a compromise with the British authorities was under discussion, they undertook some spectacular action against the British, such as the blowing up of the British headquarters in the King David hotel, the murder of Lord Moyne or the hanging of two Britis [14:37]
asciilifeform: h sergeants. Second, the dissidents threatened the leadership’s authority. Third, the leadership was leftist, while the Irgun was on the extreme right. (The ideology of the Sternists is harder to define.)' [14:37]
asciilifeform: 'oh noez, accursed partizans, every time we sit down to vichyate, they piss on the parade!' [14:38]
mircea_popescu: basically, ~rhodesia, except colors switched [14:38]
mircea_popescu: the commies were in power and the actual humans trying to get them out [14:38]
asciilifeform: aaha. [14:38]
mircea_popescu: should have hung gurion, actually. [14:40]
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why right wing is always so conflict-averse. [14:40]
asciilifeform: d00d was the authorized-muppet of internationalkomyoonity. [14:40]
mircea_popescu: so ? [14:40]
mircea_popescu: fucking hang him [14:41]
mircea_popescu: and generally, the "do the one thing which would make the the femwailers wail worst" is a fine heuristic [14:41]
asciilifeform: and would have hanged, but for the sorry bastard, m. begin, who shat his pants (or, alternate, turned coat) [14:41]
mircea_popescu: strictly better than anything a "trained strategist" might come up with [14:41]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, there's just this dumbass "respectability" on the right. [14:41]
mircea_popescu: "it wouldn't do to hang some shithead as loved as ben gurion" [14:42]
mircea_popescu: dude... #1, that's primo reason to hang him, and #2, who the fuck loved him ? [14:42]
mircea_popescu: not your friends, was it. [14:42]
asciilifeform: the other quislings, who else. [14:42]
mircea_popescu: aha [14:42]
asciilifeform: who loves a quisling. [14:42]
mircea_popescu: "Gavin is so popular" bla bla. [14:42]
asciilifeform: author of the article, incidentally [14:42]
mircea_popescu: suuuuhuhuhure. [14:42]
asciilifeform: 'The elimination of our armed underground was possible only because the vast majority of the Israeli population understood that with the establishment of the state the national aim had been attained, and the actions of the armed groups could only endanger that achievement.' didjaknow. [14:42]
mircea_popescu: oh hey, how's the stealing the having stolen work ? [14:43]
asciilifeform: lenin's rm -rf of mahno comes to mind. [14:43]
mircea_popescu: this incidentally was purely byzantine invention [14:43]
asciilifeform: shooting ex-ally in the back ? [14:43]
asciilifeform: probably as old as opposable thumbs [14:44]
mircea_popescu: "there's this legion of angels, which are just you know, bestest better people (and without dicks) waiting rightr behind that hill behind me so you'd better not attack!" [14:44]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, the faux consensus of astroturf [14:44]
asciilifeform: ah [14:44]
mircea_popescu: "first, i created some imaginary friends because i was lonely, and then i started going around pretending ourdemocracy and elected official" [14:44]
asciilifeform: 'Ben-Gurion publicly praised the "holy canon" that sank it.' [14:46]
mircea_popescu: well obviously. the lefty UNDERSTANDS the above point re outrage. [14:47]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/06/leftist-terrorist-from-belleville-attacks-gop-baseball-team/ << Qntra - Leftist Terrorist From Belleville Attacks GOP Baseball Team [14:54]
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/2g1pJ << kook's (seemingly incomplete) letters to the editor https://archive.is/2g1pJ [14:55]
asciilifeform: betcha pantsuit-congress can't wait to put various things to vote, what with the +1 ( 2? 3? ) advantage. [14:57]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well congress critter apparently is alive [14:58]
asciilifeform: for nao [14:58]
BingoBoingo: Shooter dead, legit appearing kook radicalized by fake nooze [14:59]
BingoBoingo: Really Trump needs to do a military response to the Belleville problem [14:59]
asciilifeform: 'We need to bring our country out of today’s recession by raising the number of tax brackets from six to 20 or more and the top marginal rate of 35 percent on $380,000 to 60 percent on $20 million or more. In 1938 we had 33 brackets from 4 percent for most of the country to 79 percent for income over $79 million.' lullz [15:00]
asciilifeform: 'I would wish all people under an annual income of $1 million to get behind the 99 percent, and back the push for tax reform. My motto is: “Tax em like 1938.”' [15:01]
BingoBoingo: Belleville's where all the white people from East StL did their flight to in the 1950's but now their children and grandchildren would rather be food in their growning Lafond-Land than flee and be racis again. [15:02]
asciilifeform: from same rag, https://archive.is/WAJ1b >> 'Reaction was fast and sometimes furious on James T. Hodgkinson’s Facebook page Wednesday morning before the page was removed by Facebook. The man may have had a second Facebook account, which was also missing by noon Wednesday.' [15:04]
asciilifeform: ^ they zapped some ~other~ similar-named schmuck's acct for good measure [15:04]
asciilifeform: a la mircea_popescu-and-fetlife [15:04]
asciilifeform: pure gold. [15:05]
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/0Ln3X << from also same rag, '...was told to stop shooting in the woods near his home... In 2009 he was charged by Belleville with failing to obtain an electrical contractor license or electrical permit before performing work...' [15:05]
asciilifeform: ^ ohnoez, TERRORIST, didn't respond CORRECTLY to being enpederasted -- instead of drinking to death, ohnoez, went to take a lizard or two with him to grave [15:06]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, the empire of the poor! GETS BEHIND! [15:10]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds rather joe stack-ish all this dunnit. [15:10]
asciilifeform: more or less. [15:10]
BingoBoingo: Mebbe he should have considered sucking less and not living in that shithole? Belleville is surrounded by numerous perfectly fine places that are better by virtue of not being Belleville [15:12]
mircea_popescu: weird old guys have this "my porch, bitch" attitude [15:12]
BingoBoingo: "OMG DOCTOR IT HURTZ" "STAHP DOIN THAT THEN!!!" [15:12]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa, especially, where they 'own' houses [15:12]
asciilifeform: y'know, just like every serf who ever lived [15:13]
asciilifeform: 'my land' [15:13]
mircea_popescu: nah, it's an ancient thing. roman army veteran, or genoese trader, would one day decide to hang up them caligulas, buy a plot of land, a girl or two, and settle down there. [15:13]
asciilifeform: sorta how biology of aging worx [15:13]
mircea_popescu: the locals trying to thieve as much as possible out of this bounty is then what created commedia delle arte and the ~entire euro tradsition. [15:13]
mircea_popescu: (NOT "christianity", as socialist fucktards trying to steal the having stolen always mendaciously pretend() [15:14]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. [15:14]
asciilifeform: the down side, as they'll find, to having stolen-the-havingbeenstolenfrom, is that the victim can suddenly take it back. pull it straight from the aether, from the arse. [15:15]
mircea_popescu: also sorta why any social organisation where young women aren't in sale and in bulk will fail. [15:15]
mircea_popescu: the deep reason arabs are threat to europe not other way around is to be found in that comment re girlies and shops in cairo i made years ago [15:15]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but they "raise awareness" other places to protect from this [15:16]
mircea_popescu: if white people discuss black chicks coding, they're not going to discuss http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1669923 [15:16]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 03:25 mircea_popescu: amusingly, the fact that the great-grandfathers ofd today's "free" maryland blacks had it way the fuck better as slaves is somehow un-known to "scholarship". [15:16]
asciilifeform: sorta the entire scheme. [15:16]
mircea_popescu: aha. [15:16]
asciilifeform: incidentally item : next to iraq (yes!) embassy in washington, there was an old church [15:17]
asciilifeform: burned in 1970s blackriots [15:17]
asciilifeform: it was glassed in and preserved as memorial [15:17]
asciilifeform: well, i walked not so long ago there, and noticed the wrecking crew, [15:17]
asciilifeform: it is to be replaced with glass brutalist monster thing, soon. [15:17]
mircea_popescu: "time immemorial" yes ? :D [15:17]
asciilifeform: aaha [15:17]
asciilifeform: 'hey idea, we'll rm -rf / the tombs, folx will forget the murders' [15:18]
asciilifeform: filed with the statues of texas etc [15:18]
mircea_popescu: the new soviet architecture is HORRIBLE btw. wtf is all the shit they built. [15:18]
asciilifeform: all looks same. [15:18]
mircea_popescu: i recently saw ny pics girl took, OMFG [15:18]
mircea_popescu: that town turned into ulaan baator. [15:18]
mircea_popescu: 1 police plaza, seriously ?! [15:18]
asciilifeform: hey, same people as built gigantic latrine pit thing instead of the skyscraper [15:18]
asciilifeform: 'memorial' [15:19]
mircea_popescu: crazy [15:19]
asciilifeform: it's a deliberate fuckyou to the sane. [15:19]
asciilifeform: ~100% of what they build, consists of this [15:19]
asciilifeform: 'fuckyou and guesswat you'll shuddup, terrorist, and eat it' [15:19]
mircea_popescu: it's too ugly to build. [15:19]
asciilifeform: it is 'built' like a pig 'builds' his shit [15:20]
mircea_popescu: on the basis of what usg builds, i would say one could definitively conclude no government should ever have any money. [15:20]
asciilifeform: the burned church was a very uncharacteristic monument for washington -- had little grove of bushes, trees, smelled great in the springtime, little 'celtic labyrinth' thing , sign, 'sit here and think..' etc [15:22]
asciilifeform: 0 tourists, ~0 bomzhes, birds singing. [15:22]
asciilifeform: it gave impression of 'ice cube in the desert' [15:23]
asciilifeform: the only surprise is that it took so long as it did to melt away. [15:23]
mircea_popescu: i guesss so huh [15:23]
phf: the trick is to contrast the worst of black lives of the past with the best of the privileged lives of today. today everyone's equal by decree, so if you're not equal it's crime and travesty and someone ought to be punished [15:23]
asciilifeform: phf: aaaha, but also gotta punish white clerk, and for some reason never soros [15:24]
mircea_popescu: yet phf no black in the south had it as terribly as the black "free" workers in the north. [15:24]
mircea_popescu: seeing how you know, the former being chattels had a market value. [15:24]
mircea_popescu: but hey, whatever, clinton was gonna give them fifty acres and a mule [15:25]
shinohai: Domestic terrorism trifects in play >>> http://archive.is/PeVxZ [15:26]
asciilifeform: 40 lol [15:26]
mircea_popescu: and i urge everyone without any acres or mules to get behind this plan [15:26]
shinohai: *trifecta [15:26]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform inflation. [15:26]
asciilifeform: for piglet!!! [15:26]
asciilifeform: 'The construction worker said he also saw people on the roof with their hands up, letting police know they were unarmed.' [15:26]
asciilifeform: lol!! [15:26]
mircea_popescu: by now a fine way to get shot by "law enforcement" "responding" to "a situaiton" is to act like normal human being rather than the pond scum ustards are. [15:27]
asciilifeform: if yer white, they'll shoot, aha, and it will be printed in 0 newsrags and win 0 lawsuits [15:28]
asciilifeform: and 0 public whining countenanced. [15:28]
mircea_popescu: maybe black lives matter, cuz white lives sure don't. [15:30]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, "the suspect had his hands in his pockets and was whistling a tune, so of course the officer shot him. because that's what officers do, in this alt-nightmare we've built" [15:31]
asciilifeform: aha, could have a schmeisser in that ther pocket [15:31]
asciilifeform: and disobeyed orders to show ausweis [15:32]
asciilifeform: so naturally bandit, shot [15:32]
mircea_popescu: but in fairness, i still've not recovered from the whole kindergarten game ustards apparently play at airports, where the genossen lehrerin yells "freeze" and everyone does. [15:32]
mircea_popescu: totally such a land of opportunity, to get to play all the kindergarten games as adults. [15:32]
mircea_popescu: maybe practice saying no a little, interspersed, it's a wunderbar world. [15:32]
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine why anyoner'd ever want to fucking leave. [15:32]
asciilifeform: we already established that these folx never properly graduate from kindergarten. [15:33]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [15:33]
danielpbarron: i went to the NYC marthathon a few years ago and they had people lined up to get their bags checked on the way in -- i walked past all that right up to the guy with the magic wand, he waves it around me and lets me in. In my unsearched backpack was a half gallon stainless steel jug of water [15:36]
mircea_popescu: and re soros, gotta say i kinda like the man. if for naught else, the humiliating bank of england thing [15:36]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: recall the story with mircea_popescu's '45 [15:36]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yes, obviously. and in the nazi germany, gestapo had to stop taking calls from people because no clerks. [15:36]
mircea_popescu: whole thing is based on the ustards, not imposed upon them [15:37]
asciilifeform: there is ratio of who-based-on / on-whom-imposed [15:38]
mircea_popescu: how do you mean ? [15:39]
asciilifeform: solitary 'partizan' who rebels by 'not freeze' when asked by genossen lehrerin , or takes pot shot at the mayor, or goes to oregon and whatever it was, is not a counterweight to the pantsuits -- but rather the evening's entertainment [15:40]
asciilifeform: e.g. subj of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670391 . [15:41]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 16:14 trinque: http://archive.is/dLlaV << gunman shot up some soi disant republicans [15:41]
mircea_popescu: perhaps [15:41]
mircea_popescu: certainly there is no way to inspire the pigs on a pig farm to rebel. you can hold whatever signs / do whatever dances [15:42]
mircea_popescu: they're where they belong. [15:42]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: theoretically can get pigs to stampede, however. [16:08]
mircea_popescu: very theoretically [16:08]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the checkpoints people now have new ritual, which eats even moar time, slower queues, 'turn on the lappy' [16:11]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: as if it were somehow impossible to replace every ~other~ cell in the battery with dynamite [16:11]
danielpbarron: just checking that it powers on, or what would they do if it booted something that wasn't windows? [16:12]
mircea_popescu: they wouldfn't think to do that [16:12]
mircea_popescu: therefore safe!\ [16:12]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: nobody cares , afaik, what it boots into [16:12]
asciilifeform: just that 'hey , powers on, so won't explode' ( somehow ) [16:12]
asciilifeform: and woe be unto whoever has dead battery... [16:12]
asciilifeform: incidentally now this spectacle is seen not only in airport, but at sport matches, theatre, whatever large public event [16:14]
mircea_popescu: socialism never stays contained [16:14]
asciilifeform: why would it, lol [16:14]
asciilifeform: 'big enough', said no tumour ever [16:15]
asciilifeform: in very other lulzies, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-07#1666814 >>>> https://github.com/c0d3z3r0/sudo-CVE-2017-1000367 ( https://archive.is/Peesh , https://archive.is/ObzrA ) [16:30]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-07 16:50 asciilifeform always wondered what somebody gotta have in his crankcase instead of brains, to run selinux [16:30]
shinohai: https://twitter.com/WeRateBitcoiner "We are the last bastion of centralized reputation." Why? Because we said so! [18:40]
* asciilifeform recognized the mugs of gavin and karpeles, but who the fuck are the rest ? [18:43]
asciilifeform: szabo is in there. i had nfi he had a face [18:44]
mircea_popescu: psaw [18:44]
shinohai: Dr. Craig Wright "An honest man. 11/10" [18:46]
shinohai: yup [18:46]
shinohai: That's science right there. [18:47]
mircea_popescu: szabo ?! [18:47]
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, he can't be this fucking stupid [18:47]
asciilifeform: easily - http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1657231 [18:48]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 22:04 mircea_popescu: there is no difference in this sense between nubbins, an idle idiot, and nanotube, a respectable professor. scammers known like theymos and lukejr, supposedly honest idiots like szabo, agents known like gavin or unknown like whatever others have this much in commom -- the call was made, and they strayed. [18:48]
mircea_popescu: dude... [18:48]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-08#1362867 [18:48]
a111: Logged on 2016-01-08 12:00 asciilifeform: 'Is was Wednesday, March 26, 2014. It was a cold winter outside, but not inside an old building of the Princeton university campus. The room, full of people, was warm. I was standing in front of some of the brightest minds in Bitcoin: Andresen, Bonneau, Eyal, Maxwell, Miller, Gün Sirer, Szabo, Todd and Zooko, to name only a few. My talk was about “SPV Mining”...' [18:48]
shinohai: Heh I'm blocked on twitter from like 98% of the people on this list lol [18:50]
mircea_popescu: heh [18:50]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and to think, none of those people were in bitcoin. [18:50]
mircea_popescu: this is like those old comintern photos. [18:51]
mircea_popescu: "pick the subdouble agent" [18:51]
mod6: heh [19:04]
shinohai: Will this be the "incident" that completes todays shooting trifecta? Stay tuned! http://archive.is/66Ghe [19:36]
asciilifeform: shinohai: false alarm, supposedly [20:32]
shinohai: meh [20:32]
asciilifeform: in other, wholly unrelated martian wtf, http://marina.dreamwidth.org/1492934.html [20:44]
shinohai: http://archive.is/O7azT How convenient! [20:53]
asciilifeform: shinohai: lol, somehow i thought this already existed [20:56]
shinohai: I was surprised it didn't myself, but guess they had to beat other "cloud storage" providers to punch. [20:58]
asciilifeform: snoar [20:58]
asciilifeform: moar martian material, https://archive.is/fE3tZ [21:18]
asciilifeform: but now for something compleeetli different!! >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp6ePKe6iI >> greatest imho , i shit thee not, cinematic masterpiece of our time... [21:40]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ might especially appreciate. [21:40]
asciilifeform: bonus : chick was fired from job ( as lowly food seller ! ) for thoughtcrime, for having been found to have authored $subj . [21:42]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al : think we can get her here ? [21:48]
asciilifeform: .. does , apparently , have btc donation addr [21:49]
asciilifeform: so at least somehow aware of its existence. [21:49]
shinohai: Sent her msg on twitter: https://twitter.com/realemilyyoucis [21:52]
asciilifeform: oh hey. [21:52]
asciilifeform: neato shinohai . [21:52]
* asciilifeform may be the last one alive to be entirely innocent of twatter [21:52]
asciilifeform: never banished there, never had acct, not 1ce. [21:53]
shinohai: I'm surprised I'm not banned yet. [21:53]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can send a "message" via dorky webap [22:26]
mircea_popescu: might read it [22:26]
mircea_popescu: i can't recall if i got banned or bored of twitter. [22:33]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You got both at different times [22:48]
mircea_popescu: ah ok then lol [22:48]
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