Forum logs for 12 Aug 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
diana_coman: ahahah -> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=diana [03:28]
asciilifeform: in other noose, 1st mats parcel -- eaten. will grind today. [10:06]
asciilifeform: !Q later tell mod6 do we have spare ssd remaining ? i'ma need one asap, running out of temp storage . [11:05]
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [11:05]
asciilifeform: ... in fact, loox like there won't be any moar phuctor output until i get a 1TB disk hooked up ( will have to be on a usb snake, luckily i left BingoBoingo with one -- as all 4 drive bays on dulap are full ) [11:14]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we are gonna have to activate the s.nsa spare box, as a storage cluster ( and get disks to fill same ) [11:16]
asciilifeform: mechanical disks would actually suffice, for this purpose. [11:20]
asciilifeform: ( 4x, as large as can be had. ) [11:20]
asciilifeform: meanwhile... i'ma do a speshul singleshot run with ~only~ mats parcel1 (i.e. minus errything prior to june) as input , just to get a sense of what lies ahead. output will appear in #asciilifeform later today. [11:59]
BingoBoingo: Oh, how things grow! [12:42]
mod6: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-12-aug-2018#2465253 << Well, I'm under the impression that there might be a spare for the bitcoin foundation. [12:59]
a111: Logged on 2018-08-12 15:05 asciilifeform: !Q later tell mod6 do we have spare ssd remaining ? i'ma need one asap, running out of temp storage . [12:59]
lobbesbot: mod6: Sent 1 hour and 53 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> do we have spare ssd remaining ? i'ma need one asap, running out of temp storage . [12:59]
mod6: BingoBoingo ben_vulpes : is this true? ^ [12:59]
BingoBoingo: mod6: I'll dig out the cabinet inventory [13:00]
mod6: Thanks, Sir. [13:00]
BingoBoingo: There's a TBF marked spare 1 TB samsung in the inventory sheet. If thoroughput isn't absolutely necessary there are also locally available external spinninf rust HDD's: https://www.zonatecno.com.uy/ProductDetail/90355/Disco%20duro%20externo%20Seagate%201TB%20STEA1000400%20USB%203-0 and https://www.zonatecno.com.uy/ProductDetail/90469/Disco%20duro%20externo%20Seagate%202TB%20STEA2000400%20USB%203-0 [13:03]
* mod6 looks [13:04]
mod6: ah, cool. can you get by with an external drive like those then? that might be the best idea, especially for $100-$120 [13:06]
asciilifeform: mod6: problem is that afaik we dun have a 12v snake [13:06]
asciilifeform: only the typical 5v one ( i.e. needs lappy-sized drive ) [13:06]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Those are the bastard lappy drives in the plasic shells with snake already [13:07]
asciilifeform: aaa [13:07]
BingoBoingo: 1 TB U$S 99, 2 TB U$S 129 [13:08]
mod6: Sincen we only have ~one~ spare remaining on hand until we get our other drive shipments, I kinda wanna hang on to the foundation [13:09]
mod6: 's spare for emergency. [13:09]
asciilifeform: lessee later today [13:10]
asciilifeform: i'ma not ask for anyffing to be bought until mircea_popescu wakes up. [13:10]
mod6: ok cool. [13:10]
mod6: will stay tuned. [13:10]
* mircea_popescu reads [14:11]
mircea_popescu: ftr, "crashing" in a "wooded area" sounds like someone didn't look for sidewinder debris at the site. [14:15]
asciilifeform: noshit [14:15]
mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=amd+turd << ok this is beautiful. nice work stan! [14:16]
asciilifeform: i've a irc bot also, but currently just short of working, connection drops [14:17]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841012 << this, seems good as it is tbh. let the republican style development work, if anyone for some reason needs, the anyone asks by explaining the reason and we see. [14:17]
a111: Logged on 2018-08-12 00:11 trinque: if all it does is cough up the link to search, wouldn't really need an API [14:17]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform connection's been shit, i suspect they're "fighting spam" [14:17]
asciilifeform: it's a regged luser & all [14:17]
mircea_popescu: even so. [14:18]
mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=bitcoin << very probably some "platform" or other, keybase ? [14:18]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're in order of submission, so the top MB or so is ssl certolade, the rest -- sks [14:19]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841029 << wouldn't it be better to get mechanicals for this actually ? [14:19]
a111: Logged on 2018-08-12 15:20 asciilifeform: mechanical disks would actually suffice, for this purpose. [14:19]
asciilifeform: it would [14:19]
asciilifeform: 4 fat ones. [14:19]
mircea_popescu: what am i agreeing with here ? yes i agree pizarro should have on hand a dozen of each type of disk it uses, at the least. and yes as per ancient http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825188 it seems a good move for it. [14:20]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 21:44 mircea_popescu: "get the rigging match the wind". [14:20]
mircea_popescu: or else yes i agree s.nsa can afford more drives if it wants them [14:21]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this box dun belong to pizarro, recall [14:21]
asciilifeform: it's ours [14:21]
asciilifeform: so we're the ones provisioning disks [14:21]
mircea_popescu: aleright, so then tell me this, why is our box provisioned in such a way you ran out of space ? [14:21]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: erry box is doomed to one day run out of space [14:22]
asciilifeform: when i provisioned the boxes, eater operated at ~10 units / sec, instead of 150 . [14:22]
mircea_popescu: never saw this wonder. but anyway, you want basically to keep a 4ssd raid cluster for speed and add a mechanical on usb ? [14:22]
asciilifeform: ( and there was nobody to collect all of ipv4's ssl etc ) [14:22]
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be better to have 3ssd raid and the mechanical inside ? [14:22]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: primary dulap has 4 holes, all fulla ssd spare dulap has 4 empty holes [14:23]
asciilifeform: usb suggested as stopgap [14:23]
asciilifeform: and there is not an 'inside' in either [14:23]
mircea_popescu: alright, so basically you want to make the spare into a dumb disk box ? isn't that a waste of board ? [14:23]
asciilifeform: not necessarily waste of board could rent out space to l1 folx . [14:24]
mircea_popescu: i'm not strictly against the configuration, put four large disks on it w/e. see what pizarro says too, but i'm amenable. [14:25]
asciilifeform: mod6 et al ^ [14:25]
mircea_popescu: do we actually own that spare too ? iirc we did sell them something. [14:25]
asciilifeform: we own 1 spare . [14:26]
asciilifeform: ( sold s.mg spare . ) [14:26]
mod6: yeah, this ^ [14:26]
mircea_popescu: ah ok. anyway, if you get spinners, don't get 1tb bs. get 2 or 4 or even 8 [14:26]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841047 << ok, but i mean, can't have phuctor grind to a stop because of it neh ? [14:27]
a111: Logged on 2018-08-12 17:09 mod6: Sincen we only have ~one~ spare remaining on hand until we get our other drive shipments, I kinda wanna hang on to the foundation [14:27]
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima go take hussy uphill for a spell, bb in a few hours. [14:27]
asciilifeform: 10tb mech disks are ~400bux where i sit [14:27]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/meet-miss-piggy/ << Trilema - Meet Miss Piggy [14:28]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depending on how long it takes to get disks, we can do what i suggested a while back ( but for some reason can't dig up, in l0gz) where we trade space for time, and run on randomized subsets of the db continuously [14:29]
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841047 << ok, but i mean, can't have phuctor grind to a stop because of it neh ? << If it's critical, it's critical, and will sell disk to S.NSA. [14:29]
a111: Logged on 2018-08-12 17:09 mod6: Sincen we only have ~one~ spare remaining on hand until we get our other drive shipments, I kinda wanna hang on to the foundation [14:29]
asciilifeform: i had this knob on the implementation conveyor regardless, because of a certain peculiarity of bernstein's algo which i noticed, where if there is an even multiple of any given factor present in the whole, it will not get found [14:30]
asciilifeform: ( hence why the debian collection gets run in two steps, 'p's' then 'q's' ) [14:30]
mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, think it over. let me know. [14:32]
mod6: we are trying to get more drives down there, as you know. but could be a while until we have any spares at all. [14:32]
mod6: (spare drives, that is -- which could put is in a pretty bad position if it comes to it) [14:33]
asciilifeform: mod6: drive shortage will have to be cured if i gotta fly with crate of disks, even. [14:33]
mod6: agree. [14:34]
mod6: but, VAT. [14:34]
asciilifeform: mod6: what's the latest on ben_vulpes's disks misadventure ? [14:34]
mod6: i dunno, I just put in a checkin with him in #pizarro to see about the refund. best case, he got the refund and can ship more drives, perhaps today even. [14:35]
mod6: BingoBoingo should be ordering drives within a day or so from the btc I sent him on friday. [14:35]
mod6: But could be a month out, at best. [14:35]
mod6: Maybe sooner, depending. BingoBoingo is sending his expidited. [14:36]
asciilifeform: !Q later tell ben_vulpes plox to give mircea_popescu & asciilifeform a quote for getting 5 10TB mech disks of reasonable quality to BingoBoingostan [14:36]
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [14:36]
mod6: So what you're thinking is that instaed of the 5 EVO 1tb ssd's that we were supposed to get for S.MG, he'd send 5 10Tb disks for S.NSA instead? [14:37]
asciilifeform: !Q later tell BingoBoingo plz lemme know re the 1 mech disk in the bilge ( whose is it ? and what size ? and can fit in the snake ? ) [14:37]
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [14:37]
asciilifeform: mod6: that's what i was thinking [14:37]
mod6: Well, it could work. But then the drives that BingoBoingo is ordering must go to S.MG's UY3. [14:38]
asciilifeform: right [14:38]
mod6: And then we still have no spares until BingoBoingo can place another order. Which I'm fine with, but still leaves us kinda in a sticky spot. [14:38]
mod6: I'm reluctant to order more drives back to back until we can confirm we can actually receive a shipment. [14:38]
mod6: (otherwise would just throw him more funds to place a second order immediately) [14:39]
mod6: Let's think on it anyway. I guess worst case, BingoBoingo could take a day trip to BSAS and buy some drives. [14:40]
mod6: Or maybe we can see if mthreat wants to ferry over a few. [14:41]
asciilifeform: iirc mthread went awol aeons ago [14:41]
mod6: Yeah, just throwin it out there. [14:41]
mod6: Anyway, your idea sounds like a plan. But can S.NSA live without the mechanical 10Tb spinners for a month? [14:42]
mod6: (guessing it would take somewhere around that amount of time for the shipment to complete from ben_vulpes) [14:42]
asciilifeform: mod6 can, either via http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841098 , or disk on snake ( if BingoBoingo turns one up ) [14:43]
a111: Logged on 2018-08-12 18:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depending on how long it takes to get disks, we can do what i suggested a while back ( but for some reason can't dig up, in l0gz) where we trade space for time, and run on randomized subsets of the db continuously [14:43]
mod6: Ok then. [14:43]
mod6: !Qcalc 1500/6200 [14:44]
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.241935483871 [14:44]
mod6: !Qcalc 1411/6200 [14:45]
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.227580645161 [14:45]
mod6: We're right under the threshold here. [14:45]
mod6: !Qcalc 1500/5800 [14:49]
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.258620689655 [14:49]
mod6: !Qcalc (0.23437500+.1)*5800 [14:51]
lobbesbot: mod6: 1939.375 [14:51]
mod6: that'll do it then. [14:51]
mod6: !!pay BingoBoingo .1 [14:52]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CZZ3I/?raw=true [14:52]
mod6: !!v 37B3B34DF2780C02556CD2B45DA8B9D33786C7E3D6CF33E7A9CA71D0D1162A75 [14:56]
deedbot: mod6 paid BingoBoingo .1 [14:56]
mod6: !!ledger [14:56]
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gSTaW/?raw=true [14:56]
mod6: So for the record, the total BTC amount for the BingoBoingo SSD order is: 0.33437500 [14:57]
mod6: Whatever we don't spend will be returned to Pizarro, or I suppose can be held in fiat if need be. [14:58]
mod6: !Qcalc 0.23437500+.1 [14:58]
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.334375 [14:58]
mod6: ok got a few chores to do here quick, bbs. [15:18]
* asciilifeform bbl,meat [15:35]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841101 << err, even ~power~ [16:05]
a111: Logged on 2018-08-12 18:30 asciilifeform: i had this knob on the implementation conveyor regardless, because of a certain peculiarity of bernstein's algo which i noticed, where if there is an even multiple of any given factor present in the whole, it will not get found [16:05]
asciilifeform: not multiple , sorry [16:05]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform really, i wouldn't put that much finnicking into it. [16:22]
mircea_popescu: so it waits a finite interval for disks, not end of worl.d [16:22]
mircea_popescu: in other fucking lulz, check out usg.freenode : http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-12.log.html#t20:01:43 [16:23]
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-08-12 20:01:43: *** Joins: adamg (~adamg@171.240.3.192) [16:23]
mircea_popescu: they actually patched their ircd to sed 's/spam//' [16:23]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the even powers thing is a real effect tho, it's why we still occasionally get 'mod phuctored! factors : 3' etc [16:42]
BingoBoingo: <mod6> Let's think on it anyway. I guess worst case, BingoBoingo could take a day trip to BSAS and buy some drives. << They aren't cheaper over there [17:30]
mod6: ok noted. [17:54]
lobbes: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/auctionbot-eta-and-status-report/#selection-71.0-71.11 << update: I have completed a successful test run of an external .py script communicating on IRC via logbot and the listen/notify mechanisms of postgres. Best part is that I've got a solid foundation for bot command handling as a result of the testing. Blog post soon on the details of playing 'ping-pong' with logbot and postgres as the paddle [19:00]
asciilifeform: buncha phuctor output, btw, in #asciilifeform , and prolly will through the night [19:25]
asciilifeform: or hm, possibly this is it. [19:26]
asciilifeform: ( from parcel1 ) [19:26]
asciilifeform: pretty modest haul. [19:32]
asciilifeform: ( for 26707136 mods ) [19:32]
* asciilifeform suspects http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612157 effect [19:34]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-07 18:49 asciilifeform: hanbot: conceivably, a sabotaged generator that yields 2**32 possible keys, will result in ~0 natural collisions, and remain invisible to phuctor unless i first find it via some other means. [19:34]
asciilifeform: ( possibly ought to be http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-02#1533642 link ) [19:35]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-02 18:26 asciilifeform: well other working hypothesis is that it is ~not~ tiny fraction, but a tip of the 'birthday theorem' iceberg. [19:35]
asciilifeform: the huawei crapola, for instance, i'm quite convinced at this point would be 100% breakable if anybody got hold of a unit and forced it to generate keys 24/7 for a coupla months [19:37]
asciilifeform: ( on 'clean' boot naturally , each time ) [19:37]
asciilifeform: ditto mikrotik etc [19:38]
BingoBoingo: A lol in the spew: "deedbot> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/23B2173C2FF1A9C43007D526720EA2B9EC1CB4AC21503429ACFBA1DA022517B3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'James Bottomley <jejb@kernel.org> James Bottomley <JBottomley@Odin.com> James Bottomley <JBottomley@Parallels.com> James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> '" [19:39]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: old [19:39]
asciilifeform: see #a log [19:40]
BingoBoingo: I'll have to start reading the phuctor chunks from the bottom up [19:41]
asciilifeform: was optimizing rss crapper so that it doesn't idiotically do whole cpu/hour of work each time cache expires, evidently introduced a sad where a new find of $factor triggers old mods as report [19:41]
asciilifeform: ( old mods containing same ) [19:41]
asciilifeform: the actual count of new factors found, was 28 . [19:41]
asciilifeform: next we will see what , if anything, happens when we run on a ~random 3%~ subset of whole collection. [20:08]
asciilifeform: ok, output is happening. up side : there's output, that there was not before. down side : so far all of it is small change crapolade. i'ma really have to do a mod-by-mod walk and gcd(mod, 8192bit primorial from oldthread) . and henceforth on submission. cuz this is lame. [21:23]
asciilifeform: 'this is divisible by 3' should not be news. [21:24]
asciilifeform: and nobody fucking cares that 'there are 2 moduli divisible by 1547665'. aint prime. [21:26]
asciilifeform: what i'ma end up doing, is to factor all of the small composites, remove'em from db, enter the factors instead, and henceforth never enter composites into factor table. [21:31]
asciilifeform: ( and omit 'new small factor for known rubbish mod' from rss, nobody particularly needs to 'see the rubble bounce' ) [21:32]
* asciilifeform bbl [21:36]
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