Forum logs for 07 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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The20YearIRCloud	Met w/ bank today, loan program(s) look good they're continuing to offer us	[00:08]
The20YearIRCloud	Enough cash it looks like to continue normal operation and keep buying properties	[00:08]
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mike_c	how many properties have you collected by now?	[00:09]
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The20YearIRCloud	10	[00:12]
mike_c	quite the empire brewing.	[00:13]
The20YearIRCloud	Very happy with progress, want to get 2 more before end of year	[00:14]
thestringpuller	The20YearIRCloud what is average rent of tenant?	[00:14]
The20YearIRCloud	$645 or so	[00:15]
The20YearIRCloud	per unit. We have 10 properties, 15 units	[00:15]
thestringpuller	so these are apartments? duplexes? houses?	[00:15]
The20YearIRCloud	A mix of SFDs, duplexes, and multi-family	[00:15]
thestringpuller	paid for or is there loan?	[00:15]
The20YearIRCloud	no loans yet outside of LOC, we're starting to put loans on properties to buy more	[00:16]
thestringpuller	are the properties themselves part of the asset list?	[00:17]
The20YearIRCloud	All of em are	[00:17]
thestringpuller	ah. so in theory shareholders are also part homeowners? :P	[00:17]
The20YearIRCloud	Kind of the idea of the fund	[00:18]
The20YearIRCloud	At any rate, good progress. Especially when you consider the apprasials came within close margin of what i had them valued at, cementing the fact that we're making equity on each renovation we do. No equity cashout spiral problems to think of, bank is getting their LTV rate and we're making $15k per property in fanciable equity. So, I am getting the	[00:22]
The20YearIRCloud	proverbial cake and eating it too	[00:22]
jurov	http://www.afr.com/p/technology/richard_branson_calls_for_tougher_yZ8j2RE0t5e4xXMRbYMWWN	[00:27]
assbot	Richard Branson calls for tougher bitcoin rules	[00:27]
jurov	i'd try to submit to qntra but am out of wits	[00:27]
jurov	damn mailman	[00:28]
jurov	at least finally put ben_vulpes' email through	[00:28]
cazalla	fark, someone is doing a doxx on silkroad guy same time as i am, so my article is not a copy/pasta job	[00:31]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2014/11/the-blake-benthall-complain-full-text/	[00:36]
assbot	The Blake Benthall Complain, full text \| Qntra.net	[00:36]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/530488066868523011	[00:36]
assbot	The Blake Berthall Silk Road 2.0 Complaint, Fulltext /hashtag/deturdified?src=hash http://t.co/nHr1BRFFA7 /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash	[00:36]
BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lirbq/bernthall_complaint_full_plaintext_exhibits/	[00:38]
assbot	Bernthall Complaint Full Plaintext, Exhibits attached as images : Bitcoin	[00:38]
BingoBoingo	i'd try to submit to qntra but am out of wits << Story's already out so whenever your wits are ready do some editorial?	[00:39]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/the-blake-benthall-complain-full-text/	[00:40]
jurov	Local Bitcoin exchanges such as Independent Reserve, which launched last month, depend on a stable regulatory environment to maintain legitimacy.	[00:40]
jurov	^ how can i comment on such nonsense?	[00:40]
BingoBoingo	By calling it nonsense? But with wits?	[00:41]
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jurov	maybe wehn i'll sleep on it	[00:44]
BingoBoingo	Cool.	[00:45]
cazalla	i just wanted to get this up now http://qntra.net/2014/11/who-is-blake-benthall-aka-defcon-aka-veteran/ it's a work in progress	[00:46]
assbot	Who Is Blake Benthall AKA Defcon AKA Veteran? \| Qntra.net	[00:46]
jurov	An Old Fart Doing Everything To Support Bitcoin.. Except For Buying It.	[00:47]
asciilifeform	!s comrade ogilvy	[00:48]
assbot	7 results for 'comrade ogilvy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=comrade+ogilvy	[00:48]
jurov	http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2lhe7j/lluvia_de_bitcoins_sobre_rargentina/ << mircea_popescu you can get free buttcoins!	[00:48]
assbot	Lluvia de bitcoins sobre /r/argentina : argentina	[00:48]
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scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/who-is-blake-benthall-aka-defcon-aka-veteran/	[00:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00068672 = 17.3053 BTC [-]	[00:50]
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jurov	idea executor!	[00:51]
jurov	that would be good theme for oglaf	[00:51]
jurov	whole excerpt is hilarious	[00:52]
jurov	"i wont ramble here, have other stuff to do... to ramble on inkedin and twatter"	[00:53]
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cazalla	this blake guy was reguarly active on github till sept 28th and then nothing	[00:56]
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asciilifeform	this blake guy was reguarly active... << you meant to say 'an account by the name of xxx was active...'	[00:58]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[00:59]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3X52SEG.txt )	[00:59]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: you're saying it was a set up?	[01:00]
asciilifeform	saying merely that usg loves 'crank bait'	[01:00]
asciilifeform	!s crank bait	[01:00]
assbot	5 results for 'crank bait' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=crank+bait	[01:00]
asciilifeform	'crank bait' is a deliberate (whether engineered or through sheer neglect) hole in an Official narrative, whose purpose is to do for doubters what a 'bug zapper light' does for insects.	[01:01]
thestringpuller	oh i see.	[01:02]
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cazalla	asciilifeform, yes, that is what i mean :)	[01:02]
thestringpuller	"could you use it in a sentence" "asciilifeform: der wagen was decorated with a number of 'end the fed' stickers. apparently this is considered adequate crank bait."	[01:02]
thestringpuller	^- there we go better than ;;ud	[01:03]
asciilifeform	i'd be surprised if it were in 'ud'	[01:04]
asciilifeform	given that it is my own term.	[01:04]
BingoBoingo	;;ud crank bait	[01:05]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crankbait \| crankbait. When screwing a man/woman doggy-style, you fish hook her mouth to one side so that she must look at you, then, you nut in her eye. Ohh, I just had to ...	[01:05]
cazalla	lol this guy worked at space x	[01:05]
asciilifeform	lol!	[01:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00068672 = 8.4467 BTC [-]	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	Crank bait also refers to a sort of fishing lure with parts that move in the water to increase the attention it commands of the fish	[01:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21352 @ 0.00068661 = 14.6605 BTC [-] {2}	[01:42]
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mircea_popescu	jurov da fuck do they know.	[01:49]
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mircea_popescu	punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/hhrGWZ1N	[02:01]
punkbot	mircea_popescu: Queued 8 valid deeds for next bundle. (invalid: 1)	[02:01]
assbot	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 This is to confirm http://as - Pastebin.com	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	punkman shit how the f do i know which one ?	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	punkbot status	[02:02]
punkbot	mircea_popescu: 8 pending deeds \| Last bundle 17 hours and 20 minutes ago	[02:02]
cazalla	https://blockchain.info/address/148MpUsfJvgv5xGWvVqKLeVuuvy3pN8QGg one of the guy's alleged addresses	[02:04]
assbot	Bitcoin Address 148MpUsfJvgv5xGWvVqKLeVuuvy3pN8QGg	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/q0PT7s4e	[02:05]
punkbot	mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)	[02:05]
assbot	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 MiniGame (S.MG), October 201 - Pastebin.com	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	omg wtf gpg doesn't veriufy its own clearsigned output	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/rh2bYpJq	[02:09]
punkbot	mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.	[02:09]
assbot	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 MiniGame (S.MG), October 201 - Pastebin.com	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	aok	[02:09]
punkbot	Bundled 9 deeds \| http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/14r4VdZF	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	cazalla omaigawd, traffic dropped. now you gotta fire someone!!	[02:13]
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punkbot	Confirmed bundle 14r4VdZFYJnGG52B6w9Th7oKjGXU1pDzKX \| http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/14r4VdZF	[02:15]
cazalla	well, BingoBoingo brought yesterdays traffic so if he can't maintain it for more than a day....	[02:15]
BingoBoingo	A, well. Hard to fire people when there isn't a payroll...	[02:16]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06477.html	[02:24]
assbot	Re: [Bitcoin-development] The difficulty of writing consensus critical code: the SIGHASH_SINGLE bug	[02:24]
jurov	http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2li3gq/the_guy_who_bought_a_tesla_with_bitcoin_it_was/ << crankbait discussed	[02:25]
assbot	The guy who bought a Tesla with Bitcoin? It was the "DPR2" from Silk Road....pillar of industry : Buttcoin	[02:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00068807 = 17.4082 BTC [+]	[02:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00068794 = 7.361 BTC [-] {2}	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	lol tesla got confiscated ?	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	besides, i thought bugpowder bought a tesla.	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	decimation: most folks today never learn about the complete Apocalypse that faced german people after wwii <<< i hear berlin chicks had a lot of fun in '45.	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: supay: Qntra takes a lot of things. <<< yeah, but not kidz! we do not take your kidz!	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	;;isup bitbet.us	[02:57]
gribble	bitbet.us is up	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	aok	[02:57]
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mircea_popescu	dude who the fuck keeps upping ninjashogun	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller: If the day ever comes where you want to switch professions from engineer to gangsta, I'm totally down to ride or die with you. Lets just hope it never comes to that ;) <<< if you two do that, a film is guaranteed.	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	bounce: you know, if the IRS says that virtual currencies aren't currencies, how can the SEC keep on claiming they are? << you're new here aren't you.	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	anyway, gotta love how the us propaganda machine studiously omits to mention who this entire "sec letters!!11" trend is trying to immitate. totally works, boyz, srsly. cuz nobody knows anything, everyone gets his informations from wired.com.	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	everyone at the retirement home.	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller: how they convinced the masses to contribute millions...i just will never understand <<< the same way they convinced the masses that russia invaded atlanta, georgia.	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud: proverbial cake and eating it too <<< and yet none of your renters seem to want free money ?!	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	jurov: ^ how can i comment on such nonsense? <<< vitriol.	[03:10]
Adlai	here, we see the financier in his natural habitat, conducting the daily post-accounting scrollback review	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	hai.	[03:16]
Adlai	good morning	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	i need tougher regulation to be able to do mai business. also mary jo attached to my cock.	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes time for bitcoin foundation to issue a statement that the only thing bitcoin needs is for politicians and other leeches to stfu and go away ?	[03:18]
*	Adlai hopes you submitted one or both requests to the BitLicense committee	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	or toosoon.	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	Adlai waiting for them to prequalify via tits article first.	[03:18]
*	Adlai begins a slow-paced infinite brainstorm of how to monetize open source trading software	[03:20]
Adlai	participation in the brainstorm requires accepting into your heart the axiom that the market is a positive-sum game	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	there is exactly one avenue to do that : make it so good some actual trader starts using it, after which go work for him.	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	the shortcut to this being, go work for a trader, write software to improve process.	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	the market may be positive or negative-sum, it all depends.	[03:21]
Adlai	these are rather narrow paths, though. a nice path enables many to walk abreast.	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	...	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	just how much software do you imagine is needed ?	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	this isn't fucking farming.	[03:23]
Adlai	it's some form of statistical farming	[03:24]
gernika	Visiting FB tomorrow. Anything you all want me to mention to Zuckerburg?	[03:25]
Adlai	the amount of software needed is much less relevant than its quality, which isn't correlated to man-months in any simple/linear fashion	[03:25]
Adlai	gernika: "I slept through your assembly talk, but everybody who attended said it sucked"	[03:26]
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gernika	ok noted.	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	Adlai no, it's correlated with " go work for a trader, write software to improve process." in a simple, lienar fashion.	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	in the sense that f(!x) = 0.	[03:29]
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Adlai	damn you and your flawless logic	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	it correlates with logic in a simple, linear fashion!	[03:32]
Adlai	social scientists HATE him!	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	social(somethingsomething)ists	[03:34]
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Adlai	in primary school, we had "social studies" class... let's just call them that, and the members of this field - "social students"	[03:36]
Adlai	Q:"what do you do?" A:"i'm a career student" Q:"damn, how are the student loans hitting you?" A:"actually, i just got tenured"	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[03:39]
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Adlai	out of curiosity, in the brave new GPG economy, what's the use of claiming "This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx." ?	[03:41]
BingoBoingo	out of curiosity, in the brave new GPG economy, what's the use of claiming "This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx." ? << Basically to hurt the copyrastas	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	Adlai at the very least that i'll negrate you if you do ?	[03:43]
Adlai	that turned personal quite quickly	[03:44]
*	Adlai knows it's just a figure of speech	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	well, english does not have a proper impersonal pronoun.	[03:45]
Adlai	negrating doesn't hurt anybody who's not in the WoT, and a fair amount (all?) of copyrasta economic activity is done outside of the WoT...	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	"you" in general. "one".	[03:45]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/teddy/status/530147575697907712/photo/1	[03:45]
assbot	there were about 20 FBI agents searching my neighbor’s tesla and suv earlier today in the mission. /hashtag/mystery?src=hash http://t.co/o5YZmFnKpO	[03:45]
Adlai	well, english++ has "∀(violater) → negration"	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	and if the activity is done outside of the law,	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	then it is quite clear what it means. i'll sue.	[03:47]
Adlai	which law? :)	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	the contemporary equivalent of "i'll send a bunch of rogues to stab you in the throat"	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	wot. the only law.	[03:48]
Adlai	how do you press charges against wot violators?	[03:48]
Adlai	negrating is more akin to merely filing them	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	you don't follow. lemme detail it!	[03:49]
*	Adlai has read "GPG Contracts" and "Complete Theory of Economics" already, although may be fuzzy on the details	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	centuries ago, the natural mode of administering justice was, club over head. the legal system was developed as a better alternative to this. so, if one was reachable by the courts, you'd sue. if not however, club->head.	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	this lasted until a year or two ago , and which point the wot became the legal system. at this point necessarily the previous, obsolete fiat cvasi-legal system became the club->head method.	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	so today, if one is in the wot, he gets neg'd. and if is not... club->head, according to what that means currently, ie, sued in a fiat court of "law".	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	clear enuff ?	[03:51]
BingoBoingo	Goes back to if there is an unauthorized Penguin edition of a nubbins' #B-A book. Penguin gets real sued.	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	right.	[03:53]
Adlai	"outside the law" and "sue" now take on tiered meanings, with each transgression offering up a new avenue of redress. i like this.	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	ayup.	[03:54]
Adlai	although still missing is a way of negrating people who aren't yet in the wot	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	well, exactly like there was missing a way to sue people in the western terrirories.	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	for as long as the place is a dump inhabited by mexicans and indians, its not really needed	[03:55]
Adlai	something like "I negrate the person known as ABC and/or XYZ, holder of passport number 123456789"	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	the ONLY way it can become something other than a dump is inextricably linked to getting the legal system, so.	[03:55]
dub	my god that gawker article is retarded	[03:55]
Adlai	s/article/reader	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	dub hey, write a qntra piece! for me!	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	Adlai nothing keeps you from making that a deed right now.	[03:56]
dub	not sure i've read gawker before, its buzzfeed isnt it	[03:56]
dub	mircea_popescu: on?	[03:56]
*	Adlai hastily mutters something about the lack of proper impersonal pronouns	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	and since the b-a domain is so powerful, you'll prolly fuck up their google fu forever.	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	dub i dunno, what am i, the micromanaging tyrant of a cult ?	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	use yer noggin.	[03:56]
dub	praps in a month or two when noggin is operational	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	works.	[03:58]
dub	split day/night weeks is like being on crack	[03:58]
Adlai	the deed system does seem like a step forwards from gribble-wot	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	dub what are you doing, guarding dcs ?!	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	nanotube btw, give deeds.bitcoin-assets.com a spin sometime ? i think it may well be ready.	[03:59]
Adlai	what exactly is your sleep schedule in such a week?	[03:59]
dub	wrangling internets per usual	[03:59]
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dub	Adlai: its variable, 3 or 4 nights 0400-1000 balance trying to be useful during daylight	[04:05]
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mircea_popescu	see, had you followed that bloomingdale's executive program you wouldn't have to work nights.	[04:06]
*	Adlai wonders when we'll start selecting for faster native garbage collection	[04:06]
Adlai	the phenotype is definitely out there	[04:07]
dub	then I'd be slumming on exec money	[04:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.0006868 = 11.2979 BTC [-] {2}	[04:11]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo, others: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/buterin.png	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	!b 1	[04:12]
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asciilifeform	shamelessly photodiddled.	[04:13]
asciilifeform	who wants, can use wherever.	[04:14]
thestringpuller	greatest thing ever!	[04:14]
Adlai	is it based off something?	[04:14]
asciilifeform	clipart from www.	[04:14]
*	Adlai has been out of the ethereum loop for just about as long as it's existed	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	shit that's good.	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform why water tho ? fecal matter != water	[04:14]
Adlai	oh, not some official infographic thingy	[04:15]
asciilifeform	just crapped it out	[04:15]
asciilifeform	'official' ?!?!	[04:15]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I'm going to put in on qntra. List the steps under it, as list you as the author so you get the shares for the text.	[04:15]
asciilifeform	whatever.	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	why is it	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	'waterall"	[04:15]
Adlai	it almost looked like a satire of some hypothetical nice tidy explanation of how ether flows about or whoknowswhattardation	[04:15]
thestringpuller	buterin's water cycle?	[04:15]
asciilifeform	fuck.	[04:15]
asciilifeform	1sec	[04:15]
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mircea_popescu	you orgot how to f ?	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I'm only doing this because you said who ever wants can use. Will then be used to put you on the cunt raw	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	In other news picked up a new sharp object today for pencil sharpening and protecting the starfish against less than state level malefactors.	[04:17]
Adlai	and there i was, reading it as "squinter"	[04:17]
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asciilifeform	phixed.	[04:19]
asciilifeform	reload.	[04:19]
asciilifeform	lol, how many qntra 'words' does this score?	[04:21]
*	asciilifeform puts ancient 'wacom' away for another year or two.	[04:22]
*	asciilifeform not specialist.	[04:24]
asciilifeform	fecal << if somebody wants to do a similar job involving a 'nitrogen fixation cycle' graphic, why the hell not.	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	just make the water brown	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	;;google until the water turns brown zappa	[04:26]
gribble	Let's Make the Water Turn Black - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Inventionis Mater - Wait 'till the fire turns green! (Frank Zappa) - Live ...: ; Frank Zappa - Let's make the water turn black - YouTube:	[04:26]
asciilifeform	whither shitfalls in nature?	[04:27]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcsF_QkMCpQ <	[04:27]
assbot	Frank Zappa - Let's make the water turn black - YouTube	[04:27]
asciilifeform	'Let's Make the Water Turn Black' << see also the infamous operetta, 'urinetown.'	[04:27]
asciilifeform	actually, it's rather relevant.	[04:28]
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BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/	[04:38]
assbot	Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez \| Qntra.net	[04:38]
asciilifeform	neato.	[04:38]
BingoBoingo	cazalla does the wordcounting	[04:39]
BingoBoingo	I'm just supposed to keep his brain from breaking	[04:39]
asciilifeform	'USG. (Bitstamp and Coinbase)' << might wanna fix	[04:41]
asciilifeform	those were dropped in simply as examples	[04:41]
asciilifeform	likewise, 'at the bottom' - on SR, SR2, idiot chumps' machines, etc	[04:42]
BingoBoingo	k	[04:42]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/	[04:42]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: revised, reload	[04:44]
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asciilifeform	aha.	[04:44]
decimation	asciilifeform: you raise a good point about the h1b whining. the real problem is: how do 'tech' companies manage to profitably 'employ' legions of unskilled workers tasked with doing nothing of use?	[04:44]
asciilifeform	decimation: the original point was 'human compilers.'	[04:45]
asciilifeform	decimation: turns out, these don't work all that well.	[04:45]
asciilifeform	any software project with more than a handful of people - is inevitable crud. but this is a 'hatefact.'	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	Human compilers might have had a brighter future is 68k stayed a thing	[04:47]
asciilifeform	no.	[04:47]
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BingoBoingo	Secret is you keep max RAM at 4MB	[04:47]
decimation	yeah, mythical man month and all that	[04:47]
asciilifeform	the seeds of rot are in any deviation from 'fits in head.'	[04:48]
asciilifeform	whether on present-day 64GB monster or pdp-10.	[04:48]
PeterL	speaking of visas, the group I work in is about 1/3rd immigrants, these are really smart people and the US is better off with them here.	[04:48]
asciilifeform	(see 'multics')	[04:48]
BingoBoingo	Well, data being manipulated has to go somewhere so...	[04:48]
decimation	this strongly argues for 'modular' design	[04:48]
asciilifeform	except that we haven't actually invented modularizable software yet.	[04:49]
asciilifeform	!s bedrock	[04:49]
assbot	20 results for 'bedrock' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bedrock	[04:49]
BingoBoingo	speaking of visas, the group I work in is about 1/3rd immigrants, these are really smart people and the US is better off with them here. << This was the case when I TA'd pharm school. No AMericans apparently want to study/teach med chem	[04:49]
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PeterL	Don't get me wrong, the group still has plenty of smart Americans as well	[04:50]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: employers don't want to feed the mortgage, etc. bezzlatron. and this is perfectly logical.	[04:50]
decimation	PeterL: no doubt there are bright foreigners working in the us. I would suggest that they are here despite the existing immigration policy, not because of it	[04:51]
BingoBoingo	Right. The Usian profs, were profs part time and clinical pharmacists full time	[04:51]
PeterL	Speaking of bezzle, I just did my yearly health insurance signup. makes me mad how much I have to pay now, about 4 times as much as two years ago for the same crappy plan	[04:51]
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PeterL	decimation: you might be right. My employer (from what my coworkers tell me) has to go through a ton of red tape and paperwork to keep them here	[04:52]
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BingoBoingo	PeterL> decimation: you might be right. My employer (from what my coworkers tell me) has to go through a ton of red tape and paperwork to keep them here << Grandpa pays the same $80/month for medicare part B	[04:53]
decimation	BingoBoingo: you hit the nail on the head. 'health insurance' is basically 'health welfare' now	[04:53]
PeterL	my opinion is that the us should loosen the borders and let more people in	[04:53]
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PeterL	but I might be a bit biased, all my girlfriends before I was 20 were immigrants	[04:53]
decimation	PeterL: would you also allow each one to collect health welfare too?	[04:54]
BingoBoingo	Why not?	[04:54]
asciilifeform	this is already happening. no need to advocate for it.	[04:54]
decimation	Sure, let's print up some more bezzle, why not	[04:54]
PeterL	decimation no, I would get the government out of the healthcare business, but I am resigned that will never happen	[04:55]
danielpbarron	do away with immigration restrictions as well as welfare programs	[04:55]
BingoBoingo	The US immingration issue is best understood when you consider that most prospective immigrants come to flee more restrictive and more socialistoid states (e.g. India, China)	[04:55]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron would make great fireman. holding a sign, 'do away with fire.'	[04:56]
BingoBoingo	!b 1	[04:56]
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danielpbarron	or a sign that reads, "hang the fire starters"	[04:57]
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*	BingoBoingo remembers now why he tries to limit his sharp object purchases. Imma have to sand and refinish this desk soon...	[04:57]
BingoBoingo	And waiting seems to be the only solution to get my arm hair back	[04:58]
decimation	look, if usg got out of the money manipulation game, hard money came back, and folks had to get by on their own achievements, immigration wouldn't be an issue	[04:58]
asciilifeform	if fire got out of the burning houses business...	[04:59]
decimation	hehe yeah exactly, about as likely	[04:59]
asciilifeform	stayed in furnace where it belongs, etc	[04:59]
PeterL	we could switch to building houses out of non-flamable materials?	[04:59]
asciilifeform	'achievements' lol.	[04:59]
decimation	asciilifeform: instead we have the 'fire brigade' who show up with a tank full of kerosene	[05:00]
asciilifeform	usa has been running on batteries since when? wilson?	[05:00]
decimation	yeah at least then, if not earlier	[05:00]
asciilifeform	with a few embers of burning europe down helping stay warm	[05:00]
decimation	maybe teddy	[05:00]
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danielpbarron	PeterL, satoshi built that	[05:00]
PeterL	just fill your house with argon and live inside a spacesuit!	[05:00]
PeterL	(credit to MP's post)	[05:01]
decimation	at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america'	[05:01]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[05:02]
asciilifeform	decimation: this is only partly due to bezzle. it is also because in usa, 'they don't piss in elevators like back home.'	[05:02]
BingoBoingo	decimation> at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america' << Is that so different from USian pauper dreaming of actual Galt's Gulch?	[05:02]
asciilifeform	every elevator pisser on the planet dreams of meeting a virginal elevator.	[05:02]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[05:02]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[05:03]
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PeterL	asciilifeform: my sister, lives in NYC, complains about the homeless bums who piss on the sidewalk	[05:03]
asciilifeform	there's plenty of delicious meat left on the bones of the gigantic dead dragon that was usa.	[05:03]
asciilifeform	considering that folks are -still- grinding down soviet army installations for metals...	[05:04]
decimation	heh I think usg still pays for highly-enriched uranium from soviet bombs	[05:04]
asciilifeform	corpse doesn't get asked what kind of worms shall eat.	[05:05]
decimation	asciilifeform: actually this is a good point. usg is ineffective at enforcing whatever 'immigration policy' it creates anyway, that's a sideshow	[05:05]
decimation	worms come when they come, eat what they will	[05:05]
asciilifeform	the only reason they even bother with visa bureaucracy is that a whole class of pestilential 'helpers' feeds off it.	[05:06]
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decimation	and on the other side it's used as a club to keep the paupers in their servitude	[05:06]
asciilifeform	also a bludgeon for those who fall out of favour (employers, that is)	[05:06]
asciilifeform	they get 'cracked down'	[05:06]
decimation	heh yeah	[05:07]
decimation	I'm dubious that there is much real coordination of these things, more just random entropy in various usg departments	[05:07]
asciilifeform	no need for real coordination, just mildly guided inertia.	[05:07]
*	asciilifeform is aware of the threadbare physical metaphor here	[05:08]
decimation	yeah, if anything usg agents will do what the movies, newspapers, and tv tells them they should	[05:09]
BingoBoingo	http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/901	[05:09]
assbot	Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2014/901	[05:09]
decimation	re: argon datacenter << I suspect dry nitrogen would be cheaper	[05:10]
BingoBoingo	re: argon datacenter << I suspect dry nitrogen would be cheap << I suppose radon because heavy	[05:10]
decimation	yeah the most expensive part in any case is going to be air sealing	[05:11]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: rc4 still used somewhere? lol	[05:11]
asciilifeform	transformer oil is probably cheapest.	[05:12]
BingoBoingo	It appears, BUT THEY HAD A "PROOF"	[05:12]
asciilifeform	afaik someone is using just this.	[05:12]
PeterL	you want something that will absorb heat, thus the cfc	[05:12]
PeterL	noble gases, while inert, will not absorb as much heat	[05:13]
decimation	asciilifeform: what about flourinert?	[05:13]
BingoBoingo	Radon is cheap if you move to Iowa	[05:13]
asciilifeform	decimation: costs like fine whiskey	[05:13]
decimation	heh I know	[05:13]
asciilifeform	dear glub, everyone, cfc does not 'absorb' heat. mechanical refrigeration works on ideal gas law / inverted carnot cycle.	[05:14]
asciilifeform	am i the only one who stayed awake in first grade?	[05:14]
decimation	PeterL: I would suppose that the first step would be to use a fluid heat exchange cooling system	[05:14]
asciilifeform	circulate the oil though whatever.	[05:14]
asciilifeform	it isn't like this was invented just today.	[05:14]
decimation	asciilifeform: pcbs!	[05:14]
PeterL	didn't cray supercomputers use liquid cooling?	[05:16]
asciilifeform	fluorinert.	[05:16]
asciilifeform	because infinite money.	[05:17]
decimation	yeah the best part was the flourinert waterfall	[05:17]
PeterL	some of my coworker were involved in a project making a transformer fluid replacement last year	[05:18]
PeterL	the stuff they made apparently had great properties, just not quite cheap enough to replace the incumbent technology (which suffers from high propensity to fire)	[05:19]
cazalla	scoopbot, you gonna get the scoop or what pal	[05:19]
asciilifeform	this is why i suggested small 'naval mines' with steel capsules in water pool.	[05:19]
asciilifeform	nothing to burn.	[05:20]
cazalla	qntra under ddos?	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	this is why i suggested small 'naval mines' with steel capsules in water pool. << plus side you can grow Tilapia further north	[05:21]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/coin-org-sold-for-us-75000-to-digital-btc/	[05:21]
PeterL	cazalla: it only checks every five mins	[05:21]
decimation	yeah ideally one would locate the whole operation somewhere near a heat sink	[05:21]
asciilifeform	in a heat sink.	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	;;isup qntra.net	[05:21]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Fast for me	[05:21]
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decimation	http://energyandsustainability.fs.cornell.edu/util/cooling/production/lsc/	[05:22]
assbot	Lake Source Cooling Home	[05:22]
asciilifeform	'vitrify' individual miners into glass balls.	[05:23]
asciilifeform	submerge.	[05:23]
asciilifeform	all comms - public key	[05:25]
asciilifeform	(private - on 'mother ship')	[05:25]
decimation	via hydrophone?	[05:25]
asciilifeform	via whatever. ideally, tethers.	[05:25]
asciilifeform	given the power requirement, tethers are probably a fact of life.	[05:25]
asciilifeform	tether should clamp inductively on outside of bulb, rather than penetrating.	[05:26]
decimation	yeah unless you have rtg's or something	[05:26]
asciilifeform	rtg is laughably wasteful.	[05:26]
decimation	indeed.	[05:26]
asciilifeform	(and i hope i don't have to explain the thermodynamic folly of trying to run waste heat through it)	[05:26]
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asciilifeform	(didn't learn thermo in school? dig out a 1990s pc with 'peltier' cooler and connect a load to it instead of powering. then see how long until cpu melts.)	[05:27]
decimation	asciilifeform: laughably wasteful: http://www.tidalenergy.eu/scottish-tidal-energy.html	[05:27]
asciilifeform	tidal - a kind of poor man's hydro	[05:28]
asciilifeform	not really related	[05:28]
*	asciilifeform vaguely recalls a flight of fancy calculation of how much 'tidal plant' it would take to... yank the moon from orbit	[05:29]
decimation	no, but like all 'renewables' the energy is so widely distributed that it would require laughable physical plant	[05:29]
asciilifeform	at any rate, so long as each 'hedgehog' ball contains one chip, the surface-to-volume ratio is favourable	[05:30]
asciilifeform	and surrounding water, with its convection currents, is sufficient cooling.	[05:30]
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decimation	neptune's data center	[05:30]
asciilifeform	the hedgehogs would be approximately the size of christmas tree ornaments.	[05:31]
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asciilifeform	and about the same shape.	[05:31]
decimation	you could deploy them in strings off a buoy	[05:32]
asciilifeform	aha.	[05:32]
asciilifeform	like towed hydrophone arrays on nuke subs.	[05:32]
PeterL	is this the NSA project after Cardano?	[05:32]
kakobrekla	cooking the fish, one hash at a time.	[05:32]
asciilifeform	(discussed at various points here as a handy cooling, power, and security solution.)	[05:32]
*	asciilifeform has no truck with mining and doesn't wish to	[05:33]
decimation	but you certainly do have truck with submarines!	[05:33]
asciilifeform	paper submarines.	[05:33]
*	asciilifeform armchair admiral, armchair general	[05:33]
PeterL	How many bitcoins for an old nuclear sub?	[05:33]
decimation	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/06/us-australia-submarines-idUSKBN0IQ2DZ20141106	[05:35]
assbot	Australian government under pressure to hold submarine tender after eyeing Japan deal	[05:35]
decimation	"Buying the vessels from Japan could threaten Abbott's hold on power at the next election, said Martin Hamilton-Smith, the defense and trade minister for the state of South Australia, which is home to 27,000 defense-related jobs including 3,000 in shipbuilding."	[05:35]
Adlai	any thoughts on making python a more tolerable interactive dev env? currently slogging through http://www.emacswiki.org/PythonProgrammingInEmacs and http://www.enigmacurry.com/2008/05/09/emacs-as-a-powerful-python-ide/ in search of hidden wisdom...	[05:37]
assbot	EmacsWiki: Python Programming In Emacs	[05:37]
assbot	EnigmaCurry	[05:37]
decimation	Adlai: I use 'jedi' http://tkf.github.io/emacs-jedi/latest/	[05:39]
assbot	Jedi.el - Python auto-completion for Emacs — Emacs Jedi 0.2.0alpha2 documentation	[05:39]
decimation	but it's kind of a turd to be honest	[05:39]
decimation	it does let you 'jump to definition', auto-complete, etc.	[05:39]
Adlai	anything.el is a turd	[05:39]
Adlai	but sometimes it takes a tough turd to season a savory salmon	[05:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21910 @ 0.00068666 = 15.0447 BTC [-]	[05:40]
Adlai	well that [pump] descelated quickly	[05:41]
decimation	PeterL: I think nuke subs are generally unobtainable, but diesel-electric ~$100 million depending on what you are getting	[05:42]
decimation	if you want something modern and not a rusty bucket you are talking ~$1-2 bn and your money can't buy one	[05:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00068582 = 9.8758 BTC [-] {2}	[06:14]
asciilifeform	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ljrdi/buterins_waterfall << sp4m4tr0n1c	[06:14]
assbot	Buterin's Waterfall. : Bitcoin	[06:14]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[06:14]
decimation	lol ascii on reddit	[06:15]
*	asciilifeform was there back when it was readable	[06:15]
asciilifeform	see user box.	[06:15]
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*	Adlai .oO( Bitcoin is actually VERY lispy... the entire blockchain is code-as-data )	[06:28]
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Adlai	decimation: i'd think that if you have that kind of money, you wouldn't be buying an entire sub anyways	[06:31]
decimation	my openbsd port of bitcoind suffered a fatal exception at block 150872	[06:31]
decimation	Adlai: well, certainly not for your own use	[06:31]
Adlai	blueprint components are as fungible as the money used to commission them	[06:32]
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mircea_popescu	PeterL: Speaking of bezzle, I just did my yearly health insurance signup. makes me mad how much I have to pay now, about 4 times as much as two years ago for the same crappy plan <<< terrorist doesn't understand how obamacare works.	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: danielpbarron would make great fireman. holding a sign, 'do away with fire.' << he has a point. do away with borders and welfare. the latter will occur naturally once the first is done.	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	if the fiat state loses its alleged right to control geography, it loses.	[06:53]
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decimation	the fiat state's bona fides in this matter are not exactly well established (controlling geography)	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: decimation> at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america' << Is that so different from USian pauper dreaming of actual Galt's Gulch? <<< nope, you have it exactly right. same thing, except one is run by fraudulent "real estate" developers and the other by fraudulent "recruiters".	[06:55]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	decimation "you are guilty of having crossed an imaginary line in a particular manner"	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	3/4 of all us prison population.	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: considering that folks are -still- grinding down soviet army installations for metals... << soviet military complex was objectively larger than us ever got tho. cheap plentiful raw materials.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	the us military principally consists of paper.	[06:57]
decimation	well, it's one thing to have laws (silly or not), and it's another to lack the ability (or will) to enforce them	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	PeterL: noble gases, while inert, will not absorb as much heat << gases are shit for sheer caloric capacity anyway. the reason you want technologica gases rather than plain argon is the compress-and-cool heat extraction process. works better on the hfcs than on random neon w/e.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	oh nm, asciilifeform said teh same.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	PeterL: the stuff they made apparently had great properties, just not quite cheap enough to replace the incumbent technology (which suffers from high propensity to fire) << story of this business since its inception.	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	http://qntra.net/2014/11/coin-org-sold-for-us-75000-to-digital-btc/ << cazalla would be worth investigating if the 1m was actually paid or merely fraudulently announced.	[07:02]
assbot	Coin.org Sold For US $75,000 To Digital BTC \| Qntra.net	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	lots of these domain "deals" are simple collusion, as it's in both parties interest to announce a high price.	[07:02]
cazalla	yeah, i'm aware of how it goes, i buy from you for $750, we both say it was $75,000	[07:03]
cazalla	the $1,000,000 is difficult to know given everything out of gawminer guy's mouth is bullshit	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[07:03]
cazalla	making it easier to sucker the next buyer in to pay x amount	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	at least hopefully.	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	what it really does is give a good angle for fraudster employees to defraud companies with diffuse investors situations.	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	kinda hard to prosecute asshole ceo who colluded with asshole "expert" to buy worthless domain for 1mn, then laundered 800k out of it and left the company to burn.	[07:07]
thestringpuller	is that bitcoin gem thing still a thing?	[07:07]
thestringpuller	;;google site:trilema.com psychology of bag holder	[07:08]
gribble	No matches found.	[07:08]
thestringpuller	;;google site:trilema.com psychology of bagholder	[07:08]
gribble	The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Martie 2014 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; 3 ani experienta pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller never going away	[07:08]
thestringpuller	kinda of a joke on everyone really	[07:08]
thestringpuller	like musical chairs in elementary	[07:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00068692 = 31.4609 BTC [+] {4}	[07:10]
thestringpuller	http://bitcoingem.net/history << remember when this shit would get up to like 20 - 30 btc?	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	2013.	[07:10]
thestringpuller	i guess people got sick of being the "gemholder"	[07:11]
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asciilifeform	buy worthless domain for 1mn, then laundered 800k out of it << incidentally, the ancient 'secret' of 'ebay'	[07:22]
asciilifeform	game consoles 'sold' for $5000, etc.	[07:22]
asciilifeform	(not collectible curios, either. ordinary junk.)	[07:23]
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asciilifeform	it's entirely routine.	[07:23]
asciilifeform	likely, no 'xbox' and no actual buyer. just a sp4mz0r washing his stolen cc #s.	[07:24]
asciilifeform	with the enthusiastic cooperation of 'paypal' et al.	[07:24]
asciilifeform	so long as 'ebay' gets its x%	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	right.	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	at some point ebay revenue was 40% that	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	then it stopped reporting.	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	many, many years ago in a galaxy far far away	[07:25]
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mircea_popescu	heck, by now they even have automated "ecommerce sites" making software.	[07:26]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, coin.org should be confirmable once digital btc submit their next quarterly to the asx	[07:26]
asciilifeform	bezzlatron is fractally bezzlic.	[07:26]
asciilifeform	at any level of magnification.	[07:26]
asciilifeform	incidentally, the hunt for 'who pays' in cc fraud may be a unicorn hunt.	[07:27]
asciilifeform	it may very well be the case that, in the bulk of it, gram for gram, the answer is: printing press.	[07:27]
thestringpuller	i thought it was the insurance companies	[07:28]
asciilifeform	financial memory leak.	[07:28]
asciilifeform	possibly even disguised as ordinary memory leaks.	[07:28]
asciilifeform	so what if yesterday there was a penny and today - two.	[07:29]
asciilifeform	the man on the street is gagged with 'shuddup plebe, where's the hyperinflation, nowhere'	[07:30]
asciilifeform	but, as various people proved to the satisfaction of any but the thickest case of maliciously ignorant - it's everywhere.	[07:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> financial memory leak. << pretty much.	[07:31]
mircea_popescu	which is why the economy can't really function "on its own"	[07:31]
asciilifeform	from the food replaced with synthetic garbage, to the car which costs a few years of avg. pay (hello ussr 1950) to... whatever.	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	all the tea partiers and so forth keep going on about how "capitalism works by itself". sure, so do computers.	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	except if your os has a huge memory leak baked right in. then they don't.	[07:32]
asciilifeform	we even have the financial equivalent of 'ramdoubler'	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	uyp.	[07:32]
asciilifeform	(idiot fuffle that fudged numbers)	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	so you know, the "small government ; work within the system ; we can fix things" people are nice and quaint and no doubt mean well	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	but they don't exactly understand enough to know where their shoes go.	[07:33]
asciilifeform	if given an 'alternative' that's slightly more attractive than drooling despair and starvation, they'll bite.	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	the alternative is start beating your children.	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	they won't bite, because screams.	[07:34]
asciilifeform	precisely because the alternative is for their children, if for anyone	[07:34]
asciilifeform	for them - biodiesel.	[07:34]
asciilifeform	who goes willingly to the fermenter?	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	im having like the best banana-chocolate cake	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	the secret to great cake ? don't oversugar.	[07:36]
asciilifeform	also to have the cake.	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	i am blessed in that i can just order cake into being.	[07:37]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: the hedgehogs would be approximately the size of christmas tree ornaments. <<< god help you after the first storm,	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	untying the novel mess.	[07:40]
asciilifeform	what storm at the bottom.	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	what do you think lakes are.	[07:40]
asciilifeform	no reason these need to float.	[07:40]
asciilifeform	let'em dig into the silt.	[07:41]
asciilifeform	or submerge in indoor delphinarium	[07:41]
asciilifeform	(pirannarium?)	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	silt insulates.	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	Adlai: but sometimes it takes a tough turd to season a savory salmon <<< i've yet to see this in practice.	[07:42]
asciilifeform	rakefisk!	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	decimation: if you want something modern and not a rusty bucket you are talking ~$1-2 bn and your money can't buy one << you gotta be kidding me. an aircraft carrier is like 5bn. and i mean a large 100k tdw one, not the shitty 50k uk has.	[07:43]
cazalla	so blake's friend died prior to him taking over SR 2.0, maybe it was his YOLO moment	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	decimation: my openbsd port of bitcoind suffered a fatal exception at block 150872 <<< not that exceptional.	[07:44]
asciilifeform	5bn in bezzlatron. use soviet figures (converting to modern 'weights and measures' is a separate voodoo) for a bit closer to reality.	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	yes, when #b-a makes it it'll no doubt be a few k's in btc.	[07:44]
asciilifeform	it would not even be too fantastic to say, that nothing in fact costs 5bn	[07:45]
asciilifeform	because that amount of actual money, in one place, would collapse into a cosmic singularity	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	you COULD make a spaceship that easily exceeded that.	[07:45]
asciilifeform	remains to be seen, if could	[07:46]
asciilifeform	for above reason.	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	in fact, you could make a large enough pile of steel cost 10	[07:46]
asciilifeform	'if all the elephants in the world were dropped in one pile, the whales - in another...'	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform standard steel plate is like 1k per ton.	[07:48]
asciilifeform	what did spain buy for maxint Au.	[07:48]
asciilifeform	a black hole to vanish into.	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	a one mile by one mile steel plate pyramid about 100 meters tall will get you there.	[07:48]
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asciilifeform	what did usa buy for an, if anything, greater pile of looted Au?	[07:49]
asciilifeform	(from the entire planet!)	[07:49]
asciilifeform	where's the steel pyramid?	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	actually the chinese wall was prolly in the 10bn range ppp wise.	[07:49]
asciilifeform	ah, but trick is - not all at once.	[07:49]
asciilifeform	might as well tally up all of rome, etc	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	it is still one thing.	[07:49]
asciilifeform	clever optical trick.	[07:50]
mircea_popescu	neither is yourr meal "all at once"	[07:50]
mircea_popescu	the last simultaneous events happened like what, 100 trn years ago ?	[07:50]
asciilifeform	lol	[07:50]
scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/fatlogic/	[07:50]
asciilifeform	http://trilema.com/2014/fatlogic/#comment-109665	[07:54]
assbot	Fatlogic pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[07:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00068462 = 8.2497 BTC [-]	[07:57]
asciilifeform	'Mathematics uses induction—the idea that if 1 + 1 is 2 then 2 + 1 must be 3, and so on up to an arbitrarily large quantity. In the real world, if you are counting acorns, then 1 + 1 acorns is not the same as 1,000,000 + 1 acorns—not if there are squirrels running around, which there will be once they find out that you are the one who's been stealing their acorns. A million acorns is just too many for you t	[07:59]
asciilifeform	o keep track of, and your concerted effort to keep adding one more to the pile while fighting off squirrels may cause small children to start calling you silly names. The bigger the pile grows, the more likely you are to have to take inventory, and in the process you are increasingly likely to make a mistake, so that it turns out that 1,000,000 + 1 is in fact 1,000,001 - δ, where δ is the number of acorns you	[07:59]
asciilifeform	have lost track of, somehow. Once δ > 0, you have achieved diminishing returns, and once δ > 1, you have achieved negative returns.'	[07:59]
asciilifeform	-- obligatory, mr. o.	[07:59]
asciilifeform	( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/04/collapse-competitively.html )	[07:59]
assbot	ClubOrlov: Collapse Competitively	[07:59]
mircea_popescu	so i suppose "in the real world" pluricellular organisms don't exist.	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	or w/e.	[08:00]
asciilifeform	^ his attempt to address the question of gravitational collapse of maxint gold	[08:00]
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mircea_popescu	very dirty thinker this guy. keeps mixing things that live on different deductive levels.	[08:00]
asciilifeform	hasty.	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	i dunno.	[08:01]
asciilifeform	hasty and prone to leaps of wish.	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	see, dirty thinker. i mean the squirels are a much ulterior consideration to thinking.	[08:02]
asciilifeform	but, suffering from some of the same intellectual vices, i find him entertaining	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	to counting*	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	they have very different degrees of liberty. can't freely interface them like this.	[08:02]
*	asciilifeform does not disagree, in fact fumed indignantly when first read that piece	[08:03]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 73(Y):27(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.5111 BTC. Current weight: 40,158.	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	take my earlier piece re cooling. i in fact had counted fucking gas molecules, in the untold zilions.	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	because that's what mols are.	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	what squirrel steals hcf ?	[08:04]
asciilifeform	the 'clef' to the 'roman a clef' of orlov is that he wants, more than anything, to live to see some kind of 'curtain call' on technological civilization and coherent culture -as a concern.-	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	why, anyway ?	[08:04]
asciilifeform	idk.	[08:04]
asciilifeform	ask him.	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	thought maybe you had a theory, along with the key.	[08:04]
asciilifeform	as i gather, he sees bezzlamatics as baked into, fuck knows, aristotle onwards.	[08:04]
asciilifeform	the whole edifice.	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	best i can see he's the luddite sort of socialist, believes technology empowers intelligence to manifest as difference	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	no technology, all equal, utopia realised.	[08:05]
asciilifeform	too clever a man for utopiawank	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	but ianae	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	you'd be surprised.	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	clever, dirty thinker is pretty much how you say "utopian"	[08:05]
asciilifeform	imho he just imagines preferring to be buggered raw by 'nature' than molested however gently by... tech-augmented molesters.	[08:06]
asciilifeform	there is something in him of the 'freedom-loving sp4mz0rz'	[08:07]
asciilifeform	(back to the titanic pile of acorns, it did - if only by accident - make a useful point: sufficiently concentrated pile of $goodies is a 'target-rich environment')	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	depends.	[08:10]
mircea_popescu	for instance : refine sugar, store it as such. about as inert as basalt, provided it never gets wet.	[08:10]
mircea_popescu	and even if it does...	[08:10]
asciilifeform	aha, and egyptian honey, sure.	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, shit ? richest environment.	[08:11]
*	asciilifeform relaxes analogy a bit, lest it stretch so taught that it snap.	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	nature works more on a "one man's garbage" principle.	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	the interfaces, wounds, muddy waters, everywhere there's a border is where things happen.	[08:12]
mircea_popescu	piles of goodies... w/e.	[08:12]
asciilifeform	border - yes.	[08:12]
asciilifeform	in the past season i got to watch precisely how deer work.	[08:12]
mircea_popescu	right ?	[08:13]
asciilifeform	a road was cut through forest, and pestilential explosion of deer	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	being a hunter is a great boon to wisdom.	[08:13]
asciilifeform	who feed on the brush at the border.	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	yup	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	after all, a whale is a huge pile of goodies.	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	so what of it ?	[08:14]
asciilifeform	doesn't help that no one hunts the beasts here (densely populated, shoot one deer and bag three random bozos)	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, cut worm in half.	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	fucking things you didn't even know existed come out of places you didn't even know existed to check it out.	[08:15]
asciilifeform	(point re: deer was that habitat creation, rather than destruction - as envirowhiners normally focus on - is a thing)	[08:15]
*	asciilifeform one day will visit parts of the world where one can actually hunt deer	[08:15]
asciilifeform	!up Vexual	[08:18]
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Vexual	a tender kangaroo cut beats any venison	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	holy shit grep -e "\\[[:alpha:]]\\" srsly ?	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	why not more slashing!	[08:21]
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cazalla	http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-07/pick-up-artist-julien-blanc-leaves-australia-amid-outrage/5874604	[08:23]
assbot	Julien Blanc, self-described pick-up artist who promotes choking women, has visa cancelled and leaves Australia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)	[08:23]
cazalla	Mr Blanc, from US-based group Real Social Dynamics, was forced to hold his event on a boat on Melbourne's Yarra River last night. <<< poor guy :	[08:24]
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mircea_popescu	"This guy wasn't pushing forward political ideas, he was putting a view that was derogatory to women and that's just something that our values abhor in this country," he said.	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	shit, your values are an agent now over there ?	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	what do your values think about chocolate fudge ?	[08:25]
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mircea_popescu	lol derp goes around randomly strangling strangers as a pickup method ? jesus these idiots.	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck all this song and dance about "our values abhor" and "degrading misoginistic" blablabla baclava. what's wrong with the obivious "this is a fucktarded kid, broken in the head to the degree he imagines strangling strangers is an adequate substitute for his absent social skills, we don't want him here, and ideally he should be undergoing a special needs program somewhere."	[08:27]
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mircea_popescu	everything gotta be repackaged in the libertardism du jour, because a worthless tool is perhaps going to be less visibly worthless if it's nominally used to solve all problems.	[08:28]
Vexual	wheres george negus when you need him?	[08:33]
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cazalla	you already told me where Vexual	[08:34]
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Vexual	well, I also liken you to him a lot	[08:34]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 87(Y):13(N) by coin, 76(Y):24(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.5111 BTC. Current weight: 40,129.	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	who's this ?	[08:35]
Vexual	long running australian journalist	[08:36]
Vexual	see him down the pub occasionally	[08:36]
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bounce	http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/11/07/internet_un_security_council_net_mundial_initiative/ -- ICANN, the bitcoin foundation of the internet	[09:35]
assbot	ICANN creates 'UN Security Council for the internet', installs itself as a permanent member • The Register	[09:35]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[09:50]
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mircea_popescu	"If there is a cybersecurity issue, or someone who has figured out how to protect children through a browser," then they can use the platform to connect with others as well as crowdsource and fund their efforts, ICANN CEO Fadi Chehadé enthused.	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	yeah, this sounds reallllly important.	[09:51]
punkman	gotta use that ICANN money from all the new domains	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	how to protect chitlins through a browser.	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	amusingly enough, the bitcoin foundation actually is ahead of the icann internet foundation.	[09:52]
mircea_popescu	"They announced that a further twenty members will be chosen (seemingly by the organizers) according to geographic region and different sectors, split equally between: academia; civil society; governments; and business." << lawl.	[09:52]
mircea_popescu	so, 3:1 bezzle ? except that 1 will prolly be just as bezzletronic ? what is this, lenin's wet dream or something ?	[09:53]
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punkman	"Everything will be done bottom-up, this is the mother of all bottom-up processes," < who's bottom is getting buggered?	[09:56]
punkman	btw how much BTC does the twobitfoundation have these days?	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	it's so fucking lulzy how full of fail that thing is srsly. almost 100% copy of vessennes' scam "foundation". won't say how much money it spent, masquerades as "open", astroturfing to the hilt, the works	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	then people are all "o noes, what do you mean same script means same govt agency"	[09:58]
mircea_popescu	punkman it won't say.	[09:58]
punkman	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/05/un_takeover_of_internet_postponed_indefinitely/	[09:59]
assbot	UN takeover of internet postponed indefinitely • The Register	[09:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37440 @ 0.00068419 = 25.6161 BTC [-] {2}	[09:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32860 @ 0.00068392 = 22.4736 BTC [-] {2}	[10:00]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: re: deed errors, guess I should make it say "3rd deed invalid" instead	[10:04]
punkman	congrats on biggest bundle yet!	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	would help yes.	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it took special chars and other issues ( separated deeds) like a champ	[10:05]
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mircea_popescu	!t m s.qntr	[10:07]
assbot	[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC)	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	seems mike_c prediction is spot on	[10:08]
Naphex	"Robocoin Now Requires All ATM Operators to Collect Customer Information"	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	lol	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	aaaand if they don't ?	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	"The Fort Knox of Bitcoin	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	Your Bitcoin is secured by next generation security practices. You are your money: palm-vein biometrics keep money in the palm of your hand, while protecting your account against theft and identity fraud."	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	"From the company that invented the Bitcoin ATM"	[10:12]
cazalla	need one of those terminator 2 atm hacker devices for robocoins	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	these dudes lmao.	[10:12]
Naphex	what if someone steals your hand ?:))	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	such neobee company, such neobee fate.	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	and they tweet on their own (and mostly ignored) twitter account a link to... coindesk, and via@coindesk.	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	this is the day, when a pretend-company cites as source of its own fucking moves the official usg news outlet.	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	can you guise be anymoar fucking desperate, srsly now ?	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	it's not going to survive anyway, that coindesk thing.	[10:14]
punkman	"Each successive Silk Road is headed by a DPR with increasingly poor opsec, like they're reverse-learning from their predecessors' mistakes"	[10:26]
punkman	!up Vexual	[10:27]
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Vexual	"first time bali?"	[10:27]
Vexual	now ben10 might recoil at that question, but it's invariablt the firs one of every scammor everywhere	[10:28]
Vexual	and your answer should be no	[10:28]
Vexual	but life is a twoway street, and you can give any reponse you like	[10:29]
punkman	they can smell it anyway	[10:29]
Vexual	tru dat	[10:30]
punkman	https://twitter.com/Forbes/status/530498865741709312	[10:32]
assbot	GE is the only remaining member of the original Dow Jones Industrial Average launched in 1896: http://t.co/KLHZHqQ46w http://t.co/oo6J9GAgkD	[10:32]
Vexual	you'll talk for a bit, get a smile, and if your a dickhead, youll hear " you want trouble"	[10:33]
Vexual	this means you have failed at negotiations	[10:33]
punkman	how do you win?	[10:34]
Vexual	you don't, it's already been decided	[10:35]
cazalla	anyone ever heard of Bitstars.net, Betchain.com, Bitcoinpenguin.com and PrincessStar.com ?	[10:37]
punkman	cazalla: doesn't ring a bell	[10:37]
Vexual	everything in your sock and cutting wild at a heavy metal show wil secure your life	[10:39]
cazalla	ah dw, they look like skins from the same operator	[10:40]
Vexual	ive heard of bitstars	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	punkman o.O what did this one do ?	[10:40]
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punkman	which one?	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	DPR with increasingly poor opsec	[10:41]
Vexual	lol defcon -10	[10:42]
punkman	it's on qntra :P	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	ah i've not gone through the complaint.	[10:42]
Vexual	theres a book on opsec kids	[10:42]
cazalla	his missus isn't that bad though she had a big emo about cheating so maybe he had a few others https://www.facebook.com/Stephaniemckaykay	[10:43]
Vexual	steady on	[10:44]
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mircea_popescu	gooood mornin!	[18:07]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << gotta love how after a peak it does fall, but not quite back to where it was.	[18:13]
assbot	Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast	[18:13]
kakobrekla	peak is gauss	[18:14]
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mircea_popescu	punkman: hah, same story as SR1.0 <<< im not so sure i believe that, incidentally. iut's called parallel construction for a reason, and that reason is, "lying through the teeth".	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i dun get it ?	[18:14]
kakobrekla	idk, latecomers ?	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	right ?	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	sheeeit look at all the smart trilema commenters.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	brb	[18:16]
kakobrekla	like bitcoin, after peak it doesnt go straight to 0. takes at at least 2 weeks.	[18:17]
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mircea_popescu	are you a hater ?	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	there's no place in our cult for haters!11	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	;;seen organofcorti	[18:25]
gribble	organofcorti was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 20 weeks, 3 days, 9 hours, 31 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: Hey, does anyone know what the cost to reissue an expired bond is?	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell organofcorti http://trilema.com/2014/a-humble-proposal-to-bitcoin-miners/ << would you consider discvussing that article on your blog ?	[18:25]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:25]
assbot	A humble proposal to Bitcoin miners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[18:25]
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kakobrekla	mircea_popescu> are you a hater ? < http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2014#911822	[18:28]
assbot	Logged on 05-11-2014 22:17:24; *: kakobrekla just dutifully rains on parade	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	you should get a special hat.	[18:28]
bounce	a hate-hat? what colour is that?	[18:29]
kakobrekla	such hat? http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01489/SNN1411UB1-532_1489679a.jpg	[18:29]
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mircea_popescu	aahahahhaha	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	totally.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	colors and everything. the rainbow umbrella hat.	[18:30]
kakobrekla	yeah idk why some still use umbrellas	[18:31]
kakobrekla	see ascii, umbrella hat unlike toilet sink.	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	rainbow is the color of hate anyway	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	because all the weird sex people use it.	[18:32]
bounce	such logic	[18:33]
kakobrekla	linear so some shit.	[18:33]
kakobrekla	or*	[18:33]
bounce	linear h	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	bounce you dare deride my such logic ?!	[18:37]
bounce	why yes, yes indeed.	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	repent before you get a hat of your own	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	sinners i swear	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	sinners and heretics everywhere	[18:38]
*	bounce already has a nice hat.	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	o ? pics!	[18:38]
bounce	you wish. no hat pr0n for you.	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, if one were a god, but i mean actual, honest-to-god god. wouldn't you expect he'd mostly want to hang out with assorted unbelievers, unrepentant sinners and firebrand heretics ?	[18:39]
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mircea_popescu	i mean he's a god for crying out loud, what bs is this insecure egotism as depicted by teh jews. nonsense i say!	[18:39]
*	bounce refers to pterry	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	who's pterry ?	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	and i must say, i have never in my life seen public works like in argentina. so three days ago they announced they will fuck up the sidewalk before my building, and garage won't be accessible for two days. then two days ago they fucked it up, yesterday they were fixing it and today it's all fine, new pavement.	[18:41]
bounce	curious problem for universal there-is-only-one gods, though. gods with domains typically have some sort of job description. "care for fertility" "make the rains come", whatever. but a universal god? what's it got to do with it?	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	who the shit ever heard of this, it's like germany over here.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	bounce last sentence it overload, pls to redo.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	!up OneNomos	[18:42]
-assbot-	You voiced OneNomos for 30 minutes.	[18:42]
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OneNomos	thanks, just lurking for now	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	enjoy.	[18:43]
bounce	seems like a bit of a job overload if you're god of bloody everything	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	bounce nah, economy of scale. same process involved in being a god anyway.	[18:43]
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mircea_popescu	punkman: don't think I've ever had a good mango <<< ew, you're missing out.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	cazalla: so what's best practice when something like this gnupg 2.1.0 modern comes out? <<< i use 1.4 branch. depends what you're after, but in general best practice is read the update notes see if anything you actualy want [then in the unlikely case that yes, patch your sources with just that and recompile].	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	not exactly trivial, but anyway.	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	jurov: gute blinkenlichtenbeobachtung! <<< bwahhaha top of the mornin' to you too.	[18:49]
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mircea_popescu	assbot: Gavin Andresen: I don't want to be 'king of Bitcoin' <<< mmmmywah, that was really on the table lol.	[18:50]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, i don't want to be a fat black woman.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	somehow i forgot to mention this prior, sorry if it ruins anything guise.	[18:51]
RagnarDanneskjol	bummer	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	http://images.dailylife.com.au/2014/11/07/5962493/Protesters_TN-620x349.jpg <<< check it out, whale has friends!	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	almost like a real person.	[18:52]
chetty	I been hearing that term 'rape culture' a lot recnetly, what the hell is that?	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	well, normally society is organised around fucking.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	however, a bunch of people have managed to paint themselves into a corner, by an unfortunate meeting of government welfare and libertard ideology.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	they soon enough discovered that society doesn't care, so now this large headcount of overweight, middle aged women are trying to invent their own version of fucking that'll link them to actual society	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	"rape culture" it is, ie, they don't hang around with their friends talking about what it was like last night, like THOSE SLUTS	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	they hang around with their friends talking about how wrong it all is.	[18:55]
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mircea_popescu	somehow the (other) elephant in the room (ie, "dogs wouldn't fuck you, if you paid them") is gingerly never mentioned.	[18:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00060019 = 27.2486 BTC [-]	[18:56]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: haha, don't even get me started on this topic, special snowflakes, special snowflakes everywhere.	[18:58]
Azelphur	kinda related, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzmbW4ueGdg and equally frustrating.	[18:59]
assbot	SJW vs John Carmack (Oculus Connect Keynote) - YouTube	[18:59]
asciilifeform	in ru net, there is actually a perversely reactive 'memecult' based on 'lookatme, i'm not a special snowflake at all!' - folks replacing their 'avatar pics' with little red squares with 'serial number'	[19:00]
asciilifeform	http://www.individualizmu.net/register.php	[19:00]
asciilifeform	13+k of these and counting.	[19:00]
asciilifeform	(domain meaning, roughly, 'no to individualism!')	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, 10-20 years ago the same people ( http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/238063/916229.png ) were trying a different tack ( http://www.happyboulevard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/women-are-not-for-decoration.jpg )	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	in spite of all the "successes" (like getting deepthroat to lie and so on) it never went anywhere. for the obvious reason.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	so now they've moved on from "porn activism", a soundly lost battle, to "rape culture" bs.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	sort of like the ecologists, that made all the bruhaha in the 90s about how the world was going to end because ozone layer, and if "We" don't "do" what they say it';s gonna be bad etc	[19:02]
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mircea_popescu	then we ignored them, the problem somehow magically went away, they're no longer mentioning it (and in no case are they mentioning it as what it was : here's our most resoundingly humiliating defeat to date)	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	just seamlessly moved into the global warming thing.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	"the left always wins" in the sense that the left is dumb as rocks, and rocks always win, in the sense that nevermind.	[19:02]
chetty	unfortunately all these lost causes leave a trail of bodies behind when they move on	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	good.	[19:03]
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mircea_popescu	take the body in this case : a whiny 25 yo beta masquerading as an "executive dating coach".	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	seriously, executive ? what's that mean, that he has license to fuck your girlfriend ?	[19:03]
*	asciilifeform often reads vintage soviet magazines, and was recently surprised to find mention of 'warmocalypse' in 'химия и жизнь' circa 1991.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	bodies are the food of the earth.	[19:03]
Naphex	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GijLoiVkmYI	[19:03]
assbot	Amazon Echo (Early Beta Version) - YouTube	[19:03]
chetty	well this rape culture thing seems to mostly consist of lopped off balls, that is something I regret. Much better uses than fertilizer for such things	[19:04]
asciilifeform	lol saw that. yes, we all want net-connected phased microphones in our bedrooms, yes!	[19:04]
asciilifeform	can't wait.	[19:04]
Naphex	well it is for everyone :))	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how do you expect to target viagra ads ?	[19:05]
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asciilifeform	;;google fruity oaty bars	[19:06]
gribble	Fruity Oaty Bar! Commercial - YouTube: ; Fruity Oaty Bars - The Firefly and Serenity Database - Joss Whedon: ; ThinkGeek :: Serenity Fruity Oaty Bar Girls Maquette Set:	[19:06]
asciilifeform	'not mandatory!!!'	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	the economy needs it, privet.	[19:06]
chetty	asciilifeform, http://rock.genius.com/Leonard-cohen-everybody-knows-lyrics#note-1731970	[19:06]
assbot	Leonard Cohen – Everybody Knows Lyrics \| Genius	[19:06]
Naphex	'so it can hear you anywhere?'	[19:08]
Naphex	'well yes, but anyone can hear you anyway'	[19:08]
Naphex	from the official ad	[19:08]
*	asciilifeform wonders, re: mircea_popescu's mining thread: what fraction of an adult mining operation's nre cost is - bitcoind re-engineering...	[19:11]
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Naphex	asciilifeform: prolly a few days to set up the infrastucture and 're-ingineer' the essentials in bitcoind	[19:13]
asciilifeform	a few days << lol	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform exactly as naggum explains.	[19:14]
Naphex	you think it takes years?	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	Naphex : asciilifeform has a much more fundamental approach to things. he's not really a business minded / cost oriented fellow.	[19:14]
asciilifeform	fundamentals << as things, presently stand, the most cost-effective 'mining' presently is... to pwn existing operators.	[19:15]
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asciilifeform	whether this is happening presently, or has been for two years, or the trigger will be pulled for the first time tomorrow - only devil knows.	[19:16]
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asciilifeform	dogs and fleas have been living together for quite some time, but afaik dogs never invented ddt. perhaps because not cost-effective.	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	it isn't cost effective for a dog, no.	[19:18]
asciilifeform	aha.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	same reason bitcoin power rangers have not done anything useful since satoshi left	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	it actually isn't cost effective for them, just like shitting cow dung is not cost effective for you.	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	it's natural for a cow, but you're not one.	[19:19]
asciilifeform	see also evolution of flightless birds.	[19:19]
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mircea_popescu	"I was able to validate my hypothesis that quite a few English-speakers lack phonological awareness and are not aware of the alphabetic principle. Many people have simply memorized some number of words, by sight and by sound. And since learning Unspell involves having the ability to analyze spoken English as a series of phonemes, people who have been taught to read English using the “look and say” method, which doe	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	s not attempt to draw any significant parallels between sight and sound, are at a loss."	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the problem with this approach being that literate readers do not actually read by letter anyway.	[19:25]
asciilifeform	as if there were anyone who did not know this.	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	inasmuch as you're going to read whole-word, his entire blabla does really not matter	[19:25]
asciilifeform	then straight to chinese hieroglyphs.	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, i mostly read by-sentence-structure, especially when skimming	[19:25]
asciilifeform	same	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	nah. not at all same as hieroglypgs.	[19:25]
asciilifeform	but the 1 yo kid - needs to cut the parts.	[19:26]
asciilifeform	and same for the foreign n00b	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	see, pictograms are not flexional. whereas setence-structure read stems automatically.	[19:26]
asciilifeform	quite a few folks seem to be rather attached to the 'built-in iq test' of english mechanics	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	im pretty sure 3rd stage reader actually has two cvasi-simultaneous processes where the same photogram as registered by eyes is first parsed for stems then parsed for endings and they get superimposed in a 3rd stage	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	at least, judging by the types of errors that end up forcing me to re-read, vast majority of which indicate a mismatch in the 3rd stage.	[19:27]
asciilifeform	aha, i for one reread when 'brain compiler' spews 'syntax error'	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	well yes. but iof you count, the syntax error is almost always caused by an error collating the stems with the endings.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	(i mean, cases where the text was correct, but your brain threw an exception)	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	so if this thing exists, then the process mus also exist.	[19:29]
chetty	learning initially with phonics lets a pérson breakdown a word they encounter that dont know regardless of their normal reading method. The look-say method people are stuck.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	no they're not stuck lol. "what is this"	[19:29]
chetty	but they dont have any tools ....	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	the unrigurousness of natural language is fundamentally useful here. you can ask about this without being able to define this.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	chetty they have a boyfriend or something.	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	father, whatever.	[19:30]
chetty	well yeah, but why limit the toolbox that way	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	i dispute this is a limit.	[19:30]
chetty	it means you got to go consult some 'authority' instead of using your own head ..	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[19:31]
chetty	so are libtards born	[19:31]
ben_vulpes	!t h rent	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	amusingly, when the "internet" from microsoft encounters a word aka domain name it doesn't know	[19:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00465000 / 0.00477011 / 0.00490000 (92 shares, 0.43885005 BTC), 7D: 0.00444960 / 0.00471895 / 0.00490998 (1622 shares, 7.65413821 BTC), 30D: 0.00412527 / 0.00464214 / 0.00495000 (3784 shares, 17.56585521 BTC)	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	it also doesn't consult its own head.	[19:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00060252 = 8.9173 BTC [+]	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	i hold that libtards are born by using "own head" as a source to extract the unknown.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	imagine what the web would be like if domain name resolution worked on a "what know domain is this new domain most like"	[19:33]
asciilifeform	http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185426046243327@naggum.net.html << obligatory re: 'own head'	[19:33]
assbot	Re: Israel Thomas and Marcus G. Daniels and respect for people - Naggum cll archive	[19:33]
chetty	nah, I grew up with 'sound it out', and 'look it up' always linked.	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	total obama ideal, nothing in there but nyt and wp	[19:33]
asciilifeform	what know domain is this new domain most like << 'google' and its now nearly-unusable 'text matching'	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	ayup.	[19:34]
asciilifeform	'I have concluded that it is a phenomenal curse when it is and children experience that they can guess faster than they can learn. This latter thing is what I mostly associate with stupidity, however, and why I do _not_ equate intelligence with absence of stupidity. Quite the contrary, the more intelligent, the more potential to be stupid in just this crucial way, to believe that what you can pick out of your o	[19:35]
asciilifeform	wn mind at zero cost is better than what must be dug up from reality at great effort.'	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	anyway, for the record, because i realised this while sleeping re some convo a few days ago : "knowing what a word means" is, for the marginally illiterate "read-by-letter" type, a matter of memorizing definitions. this however is at best a sorry approximation of the real deal.	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	in point of fact, knowing what a word means requires knowing its etymology, for all languages in which it appears, as well as a lengthy casebook of previous usage	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	both cultured and folkloric.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	i would say the definition-tree for the average noun is megabytes long.	[19:36]
asciilifeform	does anyone actually disagree with above?	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	just stating for the record.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	it occured to me this mayhaps is not obvious	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	wouldn't be, to tardpedia-fed youth.	[19:37]
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*	asciilifeform shudders to imagine what else wouldn't	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it would appear orlov for instance doesn't know it.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	if he imagines saving a few bytes of notation can have any sort of measurable impact on the workload of culture.	[19:38]
*	asciilifeform thinks mr. o is preoccupied with anglo-demolition.	[19:38]
asciilifeform	something i can certainly sympathize with.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	so what, trojan horse, trying to ruin their language ?	[19:38]
asciilifeform	not as such	[19:38]
asciilifeform	but ruin whatever advantage is to be gained from growing up with it - sure.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	he has the chance of a snowball up satan's arse to do a better job than all the femiwhales running around using words for purposes.	[19:39]
chetty	newspeak is in full swing	[19:39]
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chetty	the list of 'approved' words will be down to a few hundred in no time.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	chetty well, rape's definitely making it.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	(explanation of that joke, for the recent : fifty years ago, the way to say "we fucked" was to say "we made it")	[19:40]
asciilifeform	'newspeaks' in any and all cases are plaything of the mandarin class.	[19:41]
asciilifeform	a kind of living exam, if you will.	[19:41]
asciilifeform	(a la the chinese imperial exams)	[19:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46743 @ 0.0006023 = 28.1533 BTC [-]	[19:41]
*	asciilifeform sometimes visits coffee shops in wash.,d.c. area and amuses himself by reading front page of the local fishwraps and counting the schoolboy-level homonym and grammatic mistakes.	[19:42]
chetty	use a word not on the approved list and you will never get that job, obviously you are a dangerous 'thinker'	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that bad eh ?	[19:43]
asciilifeform	yes.	[19:43]
asciilifeform	e.g., 'washington post'	[19:43]
asciilifeform	'new york times'	[19:43]
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mircea_popescu	you should see this place. they are "horribru racists", which somehow correlates (unexplainedly, really!) with their very serious take on newspapers. they have like, actual editorials, and stuff.	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	it's shocking for the us emigre.	[19:44]
asciilifeform	the 25 y.o. 'editors' are editing the 19 y.o. yesterday's redditors.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	almost as if it were the 1970s.	[19:44]
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mircea_popescu	!s dating	[19:45]
assbot	1681 results for 'dating' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dating	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-11-2014#906633 << re argentine "racism"	[19:45]
assbot	Logged on 01-11-2014 23:55:45; mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/gjyG2Wwk << ustardian goes on a "first date", blows it. because racism.	[19:45]
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mircea_popescu	" Losing respect for people is the first step towardsthe criminally insane mind. Losing the ability to think of otherhuman beings as of one's own kind is the last, the idea that one isdifferent from others, an outsider to humanity. You have crossed thatcrucial line, probably a long time ago." <<< fwiw, naggum i trivially invalidated by example.	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	i don't happen to be stuck in either of those two fixations that he proposes as fundamental, and somehow the sky is not falling upon the earth.	[19:48]
asciilifeform	naggum, imho, suffered from the crucial handicap of not growing up in the shark tank	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	in a more scholarly perspective : that "respect for others" argument is an exact reprise of the historical argument for "the respect for god". especially in the posited ill effects.	[19:49]
asciilifeform	and therefore able to sustain the illusion that most of the bipeds around are 'people' worth 'respect'	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	primitive religious minds all over europe firmly believed that unbelievers can not be decent, and will kill themselves or go on a rampage or something	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	notably, primitive minds in egypt had pretty much the same fiirm conviction last i visited.	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	yet... the sky is not kept up there by "respect", not of this, nor of that, nor of anything.	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah, that may well explain it. lack of experience makes any fiction plausible to the noob mind.	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	the reason contemporary arabs still believed stuff abandoned as lulzy centuries ago in europe has everything to do with me being the first nonbeliever they ever met.	[19:51]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lol way to go on a rant. clearly the quoted guy meant "people" as in groups. the implication that naggum isn't a person is not found inside the op's position.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	did this fellow have a bunch of self-hate issues or something ?	[19:54]
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asciilifeform	herr naggum was in the unfortunate position of inhabiting a very small space where idiots could not be routed around, but had to be actively hounded into exile	[19:56]
asciilifeform	picture if there were only 10 regulars here in #b-a, and one of them were ninjasp4mz0r	[19:56]
asciilifeform	and, for some odd reason, not everyone could agree to ignore	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	o, so not cultish enough ?	[19:57]
asciilifeform	aha.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	funny how that works.	[19:57]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> punkman: hah, same story as SR1.0 <<< im not so sure i believe that, incidentally. iut's called parallel construction for a reason, and that reason is, "lying through the teeth". << SR 1.0 parallel construction, SR 2.0 comedy of errors	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	mebbe.	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	"Without getting into too much detail, it is useful for capturing minute distinctions between accents and dialects; it is not useful for achieving a dialect-neutral representation of a language."	[19:59]
asciilifeform	thing is, just about anything can be parallelkonstrukted into a 'comedy of errors'	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	what the FUCK is this even supposed to mean.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	"can use spoon to eat soup but not paddle a small boat. because i am an idiot" wtf.	[19:59]
Naphex	or mebbe people just think too much of darkmarket operators	[19:59]
Naphex	people just throw shit on tor, and it bunks up	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	Naphex well the reddits wish to believe.	[20:00]
bounce	they all have posters?	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	if think about it : accepting the proposition that sr ops are dumb as rocks implies accepting the proposition that the shit will eventually be closed down.	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	they're addicts, they don't want to believe that.	[20:00]
asciilifeform	parallel construction is ridiculously easy, -especially- if the victim is in fact somewhat dull	[20:01]
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bounce	which is most people	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform exactly. which is the angle that i stand behind here. usg is using the tor as it was designed to be used, meanwhile lies about how they got the data, and the people accused are too fucking stupid for that not to stick.	[20:01]
asciilifeform	e.g., 'sr2 had a usg mole.' 'no we didn't' 'ah, but mr envelope-licker was our mole' 'no he wasn't, we were best chums' 'he just swore in court that he was mole.' 'but he did it to get charges dropped against self' 'tough'	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	this is the basic work mode of this entire process anyway, it doesn't work too well outside of it.	[20:02]
Naphex	mp nails it	[20:02]
asciilifeform	he nailed it at the time of sr1 also.	[20:02]
Naphex	hey you gotta figure out as soon as lowlies seen SR1.0 drop, find a dork, put a website on that tor thingie	[20:02]
Naphex	then eventually comes the bust	[20:03]
asciilifeform	sr1 was, afaik, running heartbleeding tor.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	if any of the young uns reading us silently is looking for a dragon to slay anbd be a hero : run a new silkroad as a reverse-honeypot.	[20:03]
asciilifeform	for some reason - 'no one' mentions this.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	sell some pills while keeping track of exactly all the ways the usg gets the data, actually, then leak that.	[20:03]
*	Naphex bets its just mostly HUMINT	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	the usg sigint capacity is really very poor, in spite of large expenditure and publicity	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	so it's a safe bet.	[20:05]
punkman	they took down around 400 .onions btw	[20:05]
Naphex	what i'm thinking is that they just infiltrate comunities, and then start drilling down	[20:06]
Naphex	its safe bet to figure that most of the lowlies will be meeting each other	[20:06]
Naphex	and discussing plots	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	this is well documented sop.	[20:06]
asciilifeform	that's the official story.	[20:06]
Naphex	its probably right also	[20:06]
asciilifeform	right for all 400?!	[20:07]
bounce	AIUI it was usg HUMINT that was laughingly poor	[20:07]
Naphex	asciilifeform: hey, in the small town i live in, like 300k	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	bounce only compared to other agents, that do a much better job of it.	[20:07]
Naphex	they made 30 arrets + busts, for fraud	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	compared to its own efforts however...	[20:07]
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Naphex	in the same day	[20:07]
bounce	the impression I got was that the SIGINT is quite good, but the inter-office communication not so much	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	bounce now what sense does that make ?	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	this is like saying that the company went bankrupt not because it had no money, but because it kept not being able to move it from accounting to other offices.	[20:08]
bounce	it's a well-paying job for many little drones that produce all those intelligence reports that nobody gets around to reading	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	which, incidentally, is often heard and only heard in ponzi schemes	[20:08]
bounce	the money flows with gay abandon to the point there's a term for that: "military industrial complex"	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	money was a parallel for info here.	[20:09]
bounce	parallel construction! I knew it!	[20:10]
Naphex	and really lets be honest here, why are those markets so easy to take down ?	[20:10]
asciilifeform	the two purposes of parallel construction are the obvious one (disguise and preserve pwnage capability) but also to sow distrust and spymania among the opponents of usg.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	haha	[20:10]
bounce	dunno how easy, bit low on details	[20:10]
asciilifeform	and keep them using pwnables, convinced that any defeat is through the work of stoolies in their midst.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform why do you think distrust is a negative ?	[20:10]
asciilifeform	distrust in the pathological sense, rather than the 'trust but verify' sense	[20:11]
asciilifeform	'anyone could be a witch'	[20:11]
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mircea_popescu	but this is like saying "it's bad to have oil in the ground, because idiots will drink it"	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	well... if they do they won't be so long for this world, getting in anyone's way, right ?	[20:12]
asciilifeform	let's try that again. what's usg's plan for criminal 'elements'? not extermination, in any sense. but to keep the relationship symbiotic rather than predatorial.	[20:13]
asciilifeform	sicilian mafia refused, iirc, to distribute counterfeit german usd during ww2.	[20:14]
asciilifeform	why?	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	germans were kind of an annoying bunch.	[20:14]
asciilifeform	they wouldn't play ball with ru either, afaik.	[20:15]
asciilifeform	also because annoying?	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	from what i heard from the remnants of people actually involved, dealing with the germans was more or less like dealing with a party that had done a bunch of drugs, sober.	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	a grating experience at best.	[20:15]
asciilifeform	or because the folks with brains understood that they're part of some ecosystem that, if enemy is victorious, is slated for demolition?	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	sicily was roughly equivalent to old dixie. rural, strong right sorts of people. the proper way to regard the mafia is as the legal, lawful govenrment of the place being continually attacked and subverted by various socialists, in rome and abroad.	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	much like rhodesia, really.	[20:16]
asciilifeform	aha.	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	should be obvious why they didn't think much of the other rome	[20:16]
asciilifeform	afaik even schoolboys in usa know this.	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	(is this fiction still current, btw ? moscow as 3rd rome ?)	[20:16]
asciilifeform	this certainly wasn't part of the marketing literature, no	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	was a century or so ago.	[20:17]
asciilifeform	yes.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	(the people in question might have known of this)	[20:17]
asciilifeform	incidentally, the roles reversed:	[20:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://a-pesni.org/dvor/marsel.php	[20:18]
assbot	Ахилл Левинтон - Марсель	[20:18]
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mats_cd03	13:13:47 <+mircea_popescu> ... the proper way to regard the mafia is as the legal, lawful govenrment of the place being continually attacked and subverted by various socialists, in rome and abroad. << interesting perspective, this	[20:19]
asciilifeform	'Советская малина / Собралась на совет. / Советская малина / Врагу сказала: — Нет! / Мы сдали того суку / Войскам НКВД. / С тех пор его по тюрьмам / Я не встречал нигде.'	[20:19]
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asciilifeform	approximately: 'the soviet den of thieves / to council it did go; / the soviet den-of-thieves / to enemy, said 'no!' / we turned that bitch right in / to the chaps at kgb / since then, at not one prison / i ever him did see! '	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 look into calogero vizzini, if you're curious	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	people were still naming their kids calogero after him when de niro was but a wee boy.	[20:22]
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mircea_popescu	Там девочки танцуют голые << lol at least got priorities straight.	[20:26]
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ben_vulpes	Adlai: "python", "anything.el" << perhaps i am an emacs hipster but i rely on Helm and Elpy.	[20:27]
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Adlai	emacs hipster is best hipster	[20:28]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: re foundation and politics. what politics?	[20:28]
*	mircea_popescu reviews logs.	[20:28]
ben_vulpes	ben_vulpes time for bitcoin foundation to issue a statement that the only thing bitcoin needs is for politicians and other leeches to stfu and go away ?	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	aha ? what is the q ?	[20:29]
asciilifeform	!s letter to sultan	[20:29]
assbot	1 results for 'letter to sultan' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=letter+to+sultan	[20:29]
ben_vulpes	not really a question, more of its own statement	[20:29]
*	Adlai often gets called a politician by irl friends and is unsure whether to take this as a compliment or wut	[20:30]
ben_vulpes	"what politics? what politicians? the above cannot possibly affect bitcoin."	[20:30]
ben_vulpes	(stage 1.)	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185426046243327@naggum.net.html <<< i read a few dozen lines in that insane rant, then got bored, scrolled down past 4x as much material, ended up with the signature. sniper rifle ? srsly ? is this guy trolling ?	[20:31]
assbot	Re: Israel Thomas and Marcus G. Daniels and respect for people - Naggum cll archive	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes aha.	[20:31]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: damned if i know. herr naggum was a shot, though. afaik it was one of his favourite pasttimes.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	point being, after berating some random guy over 5k words for imaginary disrespects, calous sniping sig ? weird.	[20:32]
asciilifeform	it was his sig for ages	[20:32]
Adlai	mircea_popescu: poster from my greek history classroom: "It takes N muscles to smile // M[	[20:32]
Adlai	s//	[20:33]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: from same genre: http://a-pesni.org/dvor/vepohuvojn.php	[20:34]
assbot	В эпоху войн, в эпоху кризисов	[20:34]
Adlai	i'm not sure anybody knows exactly how much of the collected works of erik naggum is trolling and how much is genuine hatred for bullshit and idiocy, but i imagine most was the latter	[20:34]
asciilifeform	afaik his 'trolling' was specifically engineered to drive certain folks out of his turf	[20:35]
asciilifeform	see earlier discussion.	[20:35]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: "sidewalk" << isn't that your building's domain anyways?	[20:41]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu, bounce:	[20:41]
Adlai	damnit python, where's cl:change-class when you need it	[20:41]
asciilifeform	Adlai: why're you stuck with python, again ?	[20:42]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu, bounce: "gods" << mayer l brenner's dance of the gods series was very entertaining. i endorse.	[20:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41343 @ 0.00060237 = 24.9038 BTC [+]	[20:42]
Adlai	asciilifeform: contract, so i can eat until the avenue ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2014#913052 ) opens up again	[20:43]
assbot	Logged on 07-11-2014 01:18:27; mircea_popescu: there is exactly one avenue to do that : make it so good some actual trader starts using it, after which go work for him.	[20:43]
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asciilifeform	trader? of what? salted fish?	[20:44]
gernika	mircea_popescu: im pretty sure 3rd stage reader actually has two cvasi-simultaneous processes where the same photogram as registered by eyes is first parsed for stems then parsed for endings and they get superimposed in a 3rd stage << Is "3rd stage" a reference to a formal description of the classes of reading ability that I can research elsewhere?	[20:44]
Adlai	asciilifeform: anything, really, although the resolution of the salty fishmarket is probably too low for scalpl to be much good	[20:44]
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BingoBoingo	Fish market requires nose resolution. Kidney market could use scalpel though.	[20:48]
asciilifeform	scalpcoin!	[20:48]
asciilifeform	(see last year's thread.)	[20:48]
Adlai	!s scalpcoin	[20:48]
assbot	0 results for 'scalpcoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=scalpcoin	[20:48]
Adlai	google has failed me, too, only brought up https://twitter.com/scalpcoin	[20:49]
assbot	I scalp coin (@scalpcoin) on Twitter	[20:49]
asciilifeform	may have involved skulls rather than scalps.	[20:51]
Adlai	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=733916.0 ?	[20:51]
assbot	[ANN][SKULL] ☠ SkullCoin \| in-Game Treasure Hunt \| PoQ	[20:51]
Adlai	"Updates: We might switch over to dogeparty.io."	[20:52]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2013#33346	[20:54]
assbot	Logged on 16-05-2013 02:56:36; mircea_popescu: tell you wahjt, if i'm the boss of a tribe and i need a curtrency ima make teeth the currenyc.	[20:54]
asciilifeform	^ possibly start of thread	[20:54]
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bounce	ew. I think I'll prefer rai stones, thanks.	[20:56]
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Adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2013#33371 << a forex fellow in NYC recently put it best: "Any commodity or asset being used as a store of value will experience higher prices than its 'true value'... Bitcoin separates this into a separate asset, enabling better price discovery for the others"	[20:57]
assbot	Logged on 16-05-2013 02:59:23; Chaaang-Noi: i find your guys reaction to gold and silver as a store of value very funny :)	[20:57]
asciilifeform	'One metaphor for monetization is that of a storage vessel, like a battery for electricity or a tank for compressed gas. When people buy into the currency, they are charging the battery and compressing the tank. When they sell out, they are discharging the battery. When new currency is created (perhaps by alchemists) without a buy-in, the tank has sprung a leak. Etc. The charge, or the pressure, is simply the m	[20:58]
asciilifeform	arket capitalization of the entire present (and discounted future) monetary good.' (mr. mold)	[20:58]
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Adlai	fwiw, if anybody in here is interested in geeking out a little on scalpl and trying it out for themselves (or just get a better idea for how well it works atm), i'd gladly do that in PM. i try to keep my horn-tooting to a minimum, although http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2014#913050 is still going	[21:02]
assbot	Logged on 07-11-2014 01:17:32; *: Adlai begins a slow-paced infinite brainstorm of how to monetize open source trading software	[21:02]
Adlai	if i'm ever too spammy in repeating this, please tell me	[21:05]
asciilifeform	!s rape strategy	[21:05]
assbot	3 results for 'rape strategy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=rape+strategy	[21:05]
asciilifeform	you can't.	[21:05]
Adlai	wat	[21:06]
Adlai	oh, this. you're welcome to do this, it's open source after all :)	[21:07]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2014#845230	[21:07]
assbot	Logged on 25-09-2014 21:16:22; asciilifeform: (in fact, i suspect that any bot whose strategy is not a game-theoretical-finesse-rape of other bots - is quite useless)	[21:07]
asciilifeform	if no information asymmetry (i.e., everybody can see your cards) - no win.	[21:07]
Adlai	interesting. seen a certain way, i'm a slow-bleeding rape of things like MACD crossover bots	[21:07]
asciilifeform	(see rest of that thread)	[21:08]
Adlai	liquidity providing = rape strategy against anything that uses large market orders	[21:08]
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Adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2014#845277 → https://github.com/adlai/scalpl#abstract	[21:09]
assbot	Logged on 25-09-2014 21:26:13; mircea_popescu: really the proposition of making a living with trading bots is the response of the engineer who confronted with the fundamental impossibility of making money picking stocks decides to write a hard ai to do it.	[21:09]
assbot	adlai/scalpl · GitHub	[21:09]
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Adlai	scalpl executes strategies which a separate component comes up with, in markets of that component's choice. whether that component runs on computers or brains is for that other component to decide.	[21:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5857 @ 0.00060237 = 3.5281 BTC [+]	[21:12]
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Adlai	+asciilifeform \| if no information asymmetry (i.e., everybody can see your cards) - no win. << each limit order Lᵢ is one of Nⱼ orders belonging to a single entity, say Pⱼ. Lᵢ are known, but unknowns include ⱼ, Nⱼ, and Lᵢ→Pⱼ	[21:22]
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mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: "sidewalk" << isn't that your building's domain anyways? << the sidewalk ?! no, city property in all new yorks.	[21:27]
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mircea_popescu	yes, but not sure if avail in english. 1st stage literacy = kids 6 to 10ish yo, read by reading letters and vocalizing ; 2nd stage, bacalaureat level, reads words whole. 3rd stage, fit for college, reads whole page diagonally.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	otherwise my usage was ambiguous, the 2nd reference rto a "3rd stage" just means the 3rd step in the reading process being proposed.	[21:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36605 @ 0.00060245 = 22.0527 BTC [+]	[21:30]
Adlai	so, just knowing that scalpl is managing some assets in a market doesn't reveal its AUM or strategy, neither the general strategy nor the specific one at the present moment... the smaller the AUM, the better you can hide within the invisible hand	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	Logged on 16-05-2013 02:56:36; mircea_popescu: tell you wahjt, if i'm the boss of a tribe and i need a curtrency ima make teeth the currenyc. <<< shit that spelling.	[21:30]
Adlai	mircea_popescu: being an early adopter hath itth pritheth	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	Adlai herbi has some ideas on this topic. http://trilema.com/2014/no-argument/	[21:31]
assbot	No argument pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform incidentally, because orlovignorance is like the gift that keeps on giving : english is "not spelled like pronounced" for the exact any other natural language (including ones that believe quite delusionally that they are, like romanian) is not : this allows for a variety of disjunct speakers to at least use the same writing.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	this was a crucial point in the early history of the various anglosaxon tribes	[21:33]
Adlai	mircea_popescu: tl;dr because i'm about to leave for a movie?	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	now, while utopia is nice and good, how does mr o plan to resolve this problem ? visit everyone's house and beat them into using the same rp ?	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	Adlai it'll wait.	[21:34]
asciilifeform	eh, he just wants a 'hangul'	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	no but wait.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	how do you spell mr Wraithwaithe's name in his system ?	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	according to how said mr pronounces it ?	[21:35]
asciilifeform	presumably.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	lol. way to go this "idea". "if languages were spherical and ate spherical hay, the best barn would be a ball. let me make such!"	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	the first ever language barn! largest best biggest.	[21:36]
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asciilifeform	yet we make unnaturally-spherical ball bearings from ground steel rather than shoehorning nuts from the forest into bearing rails.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	ftr : hangul only works because of the tedious ethnocultural homogenity of the peoples involved (2nd best korea also uses hanja, incidentally).	[21:37]
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mircea_popescu	actual countries, such as romania, made out of ~40 or so different languages, or france, or the english space...well... no such luck.	[21:38]
asciilifeform	ussr cyrillicized colonies and tough cookies to those who disagreed.	[21:38]
asciilifeform	(note, only when it was readily workable)	[21:38]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "die kugeln sind alle von eisen und blei, und manche kugel geht manchem vorbei."	[21:39]
asciilifeform	lol!	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	if you take my meaning.	[21:39]
asciilifeform	at any rate, i doubt mr o entertains delusions of his gizmo being imposed from above	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	they fucking miss, these steel balls.	[21:39]
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asciilifeform	he genuinely thinks that it's superior tech.	[21:40]
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mircea_popescu	it surely is. for such a spherical world.	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and then ussr had to break itself apart to protect itself from those very ones who disagreed. see ?	[21:40]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform imagine for a moment if you spoke a language derived out of ground down steel balls instead of shoehorned nuts found in the forest, and in exchange you had a chance for what i say to make any sort of sense comparable to the matter density of the universe.	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	ie, vanishingly small.	[21:42]
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mircea_popescu	five minutes later you'd want this appalling sort of C++ expunged from the world	[21:43]
asciilifeform	tough nut to crack, this riddle.	[21:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2560 @ 0.00060252 = 1.5425 BTC [+]	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	defo.	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	but it must be noticed, this simple fact : the current shoehorning nuts approach to communication does in fact offer an absolute guarantee. even if what i say doesn't make sense on the first pass, either you reread and get it or you throw an error which THEN makes sense to me and i fix it.	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	this is incredibly fucking immense, try and make an tcp stack that offers this guarantee to any os.	[21:50]
*	asciilifeform not an 'esperantist' and doubts mr. o is either	[21:50]
jurov	hi asciilifeform, have you seen the discussion on r/buttcoin?	[21:50]
asciilifeform	although i hear those are still around and kicking, somewhere	[21:50]
asciilifeform	jurov: ?	[21:50]
jurov	looks like they need some ELI5 explanation	[21:51]
jurov	http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2lkevi/buterins_waterfall_a_likbez/	[21:51]
assbot	Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez : Buttcoin	[21:51]
asciilifeform	eli5 ?	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	"This is really, really autistic and I love it."	[21:51]
jurov	explain like i'm 5	[21:51]
jurov	^ reddit treding buzzword	[21:51]
jurov	*trending	[21:52]
asciilifeform	that photoshit was my attempt at 'explain like 5'	[21:52]
asciilifeform	clearly - didn't work.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	gaze upon the pit, asciilifeform !	[21:52]
jurov	no that's actually like 13	[21:52]
asciilifeform	i suggest that someone else try.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	gaze upon its depth and know what true horror really is!	[21:52]
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mircea_popescu	that's rapist	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	i mean racist	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	shit...	[21:54]
asciilifeform	apist.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	i dunno what i mean anymore.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	ALL THE WORDS ARE THE SAME WORD	[21:54]
asciilifeform	'don't do the rape if you can't do the ape.' -- ilkka kokkarinen	[21:55]
bounce	ratist	[21:55]
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mircea_popescu	rape, any R rated ape.	[21:55]
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asciilifeform	no.	[21:55]
asciilifeform	vs l-ape	[21:56]
asciilifeform	chiral isomers.	[21:56]
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bounce	"pg32"	[21:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00060226 = 12.0452 BTC [-] {3}	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:57]
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ben_vulpes	ape ghost	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	one of the better lolz about the html :	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	According to specifications, HTML comments are expressed as SGML declarations. Declaration is special markup that begins with ‘’, such as ‘’, that may contain comments between a pair of ‘--’ delimiters. HTML comments are “empty declarations”, SGML declarations without any non-comment text. Therefore, ‘’ is a valid comment, and so is ‘’ is not.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	On the other hand, most HTML writers don’t perceive comments as anything other than text delimited with ‘’, which is not quite the same. For example, something like ‘’ works as a valid comment as long as the number of dashes is a multiple of four (!). If not, the comment technically lasts until the next ‘--’, which may be at the other end of the document. Because of this,	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	many popular browsers completely ignore the specification and implement what users have come to expect: comments delimited with ‘’.	[22:03]
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mircea_popescu	http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.wget.general/9621 << lulzy 2010 wget hole. background-image:url( ); (two spaces) in a css makes it report wget: memory exhausted ; one space makes it segfault.	[22:14]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[22:28]
TomServo	So, I woke up with this 1990s turd rolling around in my brain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WEtxJ4-sh4	[22:30]
assbot	TLC - Waterfalls - YouTube	[22:30]
*	TomServo looks at asciilifeform.	[22:30]
TomServo	The chorus starts with "Don't go chasing waterfalls...", for anyone wanting to spare themselves the pain.	[22:30]
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mircea_popescu	ahahaha i recall that	[22:33]
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mircea_popescu	i distinctly recall this 16yos lip gloss too	[22:34]
ben_vulpes	just stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used toooooooo	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	it's been 20 years already huh ?	[22:34]
bounce	earworm, community edition	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	http://ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu << check me out, i'm like popular and shit.	[22:35]
assbot	Mircea Popescu \| ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu	[22:35]
bounce	needs more abba	[22:36]
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mircea_popescu	jesus these chicks can't sing	[22:37]
TomServo	It's awful.	[22:39]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zcZ8zNVidg << there.	[22:43]
assbot	Pusca si cureaua lata........Valeria si Traian Ilea - YouTube	[22:43]
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jurov	http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/11/05/nyc-pastor-starbucks-is-flavoured-with-the-semen-of-sodomites/	[22:49]
assbot	NYC pastor: Starbucks is flavoured with the semen of sodomites · PinkNews.co.uk	[22:49]
jurov	“My suspicion is that they’re getting their semen from sodomites. Semen flavours up the coffee, and makes you thinks you’re having a good time.”	[22:49]
asciilifeform	so -that- explains the taste.	[22:49]
jurov	TIL	[22:49]
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ben_vulpes	goodness.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	lmap	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	is this semen taken out of a cup, a condom or straight out of asshole ?	[22:50]
asciilifeform	behind the counter.	[22:52]
asciilifeform	as old-time english barkeeps 'leinted' (pissed in) pints of beer.	[22:52]
jurov	the pastor supplies it, thus he knows. 100% organic stuff from free-range boys	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	til there's a gay interest news site.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform anyway, the taste is exactly us army campaign coffee. overburned to all hell for being kept heated 12 hours.	[22:56]
asciilifeform	they manage to make freshly-baked espresso taste just the same.	[22:58]
asciilifeform	overcooked beans.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, i only tried it once.	[22:59]
jurov	me about twice. was appalled how can anyone enjoy this.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	i guess it's like selling oversalted food in bars - gives people incentive to cream the shit out of it.	[23:00]
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jurov	i'm spoiled. there's strong lavazza espresso available at practically every shack around here	[23:02]
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mircea_popescu	ba is not doing bad for coffee either.	[23:02]
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mats_cd03	ever tried a 'ranger chew'? step 1. obtain MRE 2. remove condiment package with instant coffee and napkin 3. tear napkin 2in from corner and pour grounds on top of the torn piece 4. ball up napkin and stick it between gum and lip	[23:21]
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mircea_popescu	have not. sounds pretty unpleasant tbh	[23:34]
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pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu that'd be https://twitter.com/saifedean you were asking about	[23:57]
assbot	Saifedean (@saifedean) on Twitter	[23:57]

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