Forum logs for 08 Feb 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
phf: asciilifeform: http://www.bdsoft.com/resources/bdsc.html "An 8080/Z80 C Compiler" [00:22]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [02:07]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1066.36, vol: 5760.53544584 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1047.0, vol: 6288.11426 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1067.0, vol: 15090.9745082 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1090.477953, vol: 17215.16550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1068.567, vol: 2227.40564737 | Volume-weighted last average: 1072.97262884 [02:07]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-07-feb-2017#2238354 << it's the periodic sort of idiocy you end up hearing it from sinking civilisations. the greeks thought "the future is female" and it survived ~1k years, as seen eg in the cathar heresy. [05:28]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 04:07 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612127 << i actually heard that phrase verbatim from the nordics more than once in the past week [05:28]
mircea_popescu: the universal cure for it, as deployed by the french king, is raising special forces cavalry dedicated to raping the daugthers and castrating the husbands, and billeting it with the families in question. [05:28]
mircea_popescu: more or less the "refugee" thing. [05:29]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612417 << quite exactly, yes. a fine example of the general principle in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612300 [05:31]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 04:36 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612232 << umd is a giant h1-b clearing house, when you take away that, there's nothing left. at a recent career fair i saw huge lines of azns and indians at google and facebook booths ("our wait time finally dropped below an hour so i could get away and grab lunch") [05:31]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 00:28 mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, they won't fucking yield, mostly because being a libertard means you have absolutely nothing else, so what exactly would be the difference between yielding and blowing oneself up ? they would, isis style, if they had the guts. [05:31]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612420 << and the first time you see a lord in full regalia it's also kind of impressing by the time the peasants made themselves replicas and every barefoot-in-the-mud haystack princess is embroidering her "crest" on pillows... [05:34]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 04:40 phf: first time you see a physics ph.d. with a patent you're kind of impressed, but when you have ten of them in a row.. [05:34]
mircea_popescu: kind-of easy to forget (especially for the ustard who never knew) that there was a california a thousand years ago, and it was called languedoc. [05:52]
mircea_popescu: shit ended poorly for them. [05:52]
mircea_popescu: (after "they won't fucking yield" peacefully, without any sort of plan other than "we'll just keep on going". holocaust predictably followed.) [05:53]
mircea_popescu: !~google "donas e tozas e mulhers" [06:29]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Siege of Toulouse (1217–18) - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Toulouse_(1217%25E2%2580%259318)> Simon de Montfort, 5th Earl of Leicester - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_de_Montfort,_5th_Earl_of_Leicester> Mulher recebe flores, mas percebe que buquê era para... o cachorro ...: (1 more message) [06:29]
mircea_popescu: dude how the fuck can google be this fucking useless.\ [06:30]
mircea_popescu: seriously, 500 fucking references, all of which to one of either "according to the most detailed sources" or "according to one source", or "apparently" or "legend" ? fuck me, really ? [06:32]
mircea_popescu: "E tiravan la donas e tozas e molhers e venc tot dreit la peira lai on era mestiers." how about that! what fucking magic is this, i wonder! you mean to tell me it's possible to KNOW THE FUCKING SOURCES as opposed to n-th hand idle commentary of no value or import ?! [06:34]
Reuel: Hi goys [07:45]
Reuel: guys* [07:45]
Reuel: When I am looking at the TRB site seals, I see more than one for each patch, does that mean code has been reviewed? [07:47]
Reuel: like an ok from different signers? [07:47]
Reuel: Also, in the spirit of what you guys are doing, I'd guess Ubuntu would not be the prefered system to run a bitcoin node on for serious use, do you have suggestions as to what to use? [07:49]
shinohai: Reuel: I'd say Gentoo myself, though trb *has* built countless times for me on Ubuntu/Debian [07:49]
Reuel: I will check that out, thx. [07:51]
Reuel: Yet, following the philosophy, then at some point one would want to build an OS this way, right? [07:52]
shinohai: I was a Debian fag for years until the Lordship convinced me of gentoo switch [07:53]
shinohai: Yup, whole lot less retardation. [07:53]
Reuel: And hardware isn't 100% safe either... ah I am drifting off anyway [07:54]
mircea_popescu: lol hi goys [11:44]
mircea_popescu: Reuel yes, that's what it imeans exactly. [11:44]
Reuel: ok, great [11:47]
mircea_popescu: !~calc 5.7 + 1.1 - 7 [11:49]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 5.7 + 1.1 - 7 = -0.1999999999999993 [11:49]
mircea_popescu: ^look ye and be amazed at the grandiose arithmetical future of alphabet, inc! [11:49]
mircea_popescu: !!rated lobbes [12:10]
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated lobbes 2 at 2015/02/05 20:41:28 << #eulora logs bot [12:10]
mircea_popescu: !!rate lobbes 3 eulora logs + auction bot, and altogether a very solid lordship candidate. [12:10]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/ib14G/?raw=true [12:10]
Reuel: does trb have the bitcoin-cli rpc stuff like the other implementation? [12:20]
mircea_popescu: that's all it has, there's no gui [12:24]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Don't forget Qntra Qntributor http://qntra.net/author/lobbes/ [12:28]
mircea_popescu: right-o [12:28]
Reuel: ah yeah i hobbied a bit with the cli before, can't seem to find it now... i'll look harder [12:29]
mircea_popescu: Reuel pretty sure it has a --help [12:29]
shinohai: ./bitcoind -? [12:29]
Reuel: was this built from scratch btw? [12:33]
mircea_popescu: what's your definition of scratch ? it was built from genesis, which is a historical client deemed closest to "no nsa involvement" [12:35]
Reuel: right [12:35]
shinohai: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html <<< is pretty self explanatory ... phf also has a nice source viewer which is helpful for reading the code. [12:37]
thestringpuller: !~s EC_KEY [12:41]
jhvh1: thestringpuller: Error: "s" is not a valid command. [12:41]
thestringpuller: !#s EC_KEY [12:42]
a111: 2 results for "EC_KEY", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=EC_KEY [12:42]
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612462 << /me bows. I am honored to serve [12:45]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 17:10 mircea_popescu: !!rate lobbes 3 eulora logs + auction bot, and altogether a very solid lordship candidate. [12:45]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-new-capitalism/ << Trilema - The New Capitalism [13:02]
mircea_popescu: ^ plox to lemme know what you think [13:11]
mircea_popescu: lobbes if you don't feel like writing account infrastructure of your own, prolly best wait for trinque to complete the deedbot thing. [13:12]
trinque: speaking of which, ben_vulpes, I'm hacking on the raw protocol logging thing today for a bit. dunno if you did anything there to get ACTION working with logs.bvulpes.com [13:20]
trinque: I'm gonna need that to finish logbot-wot (handles voicing model and ratings), after which the thing's modular, ready to release (and accept other Lords patches) [13:21]
mircea_popescu: pretty cool. [13:23]
mircea_popescu: trinque but anyway, here's a directly evident usage already, guy starts auction in #eulora, lobbesbot makes him a bill, guy goes !!pay http://bill [13:31]
mircea_popescu: we'll have to have a standardized bill form i guess. [13:31]
mircea_popescu: possibly they should exist as deeds for that matter. [13:32]
mircea_popescu: at least if they do we'll get to explore the "automate signed" space cheaply enough. [13:33]
trinque: deeding them is attractive from the operator's perspective [13:35]
ben_vulpes: trinque: no, i settled for hooking into ctcp-action-message [13:39]
trinque: nbd [13:40]
* trinque shall hax [13:40]
Reuel: mircea_popescu, i am geting blocks so i guess i built TRB, what would you suggest i do next? you mentioned mimisbrunnr, looking at that now, anything practical I could do except read? [15:46]
BingoBoingo: Reuel: Watch it sync, note and debug any pauses [15:47]
BingoBoingo: !~s 168000 [15:47]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: "s" is not a valid command. [15:47]
Reuel: sure [15:49]
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612483 << yeah, I'm fine with trinque handling the payment portion of the process, and I shouldn't have any issues getting lobbesbot to handle the billing portion [17:41]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 18:12 mircea_popescu: lobbes if you don't feel like writing account infrastructure of your own, prolly best wait for trinque to complete the deedbot thing. [17:41]
ben_vulpes: https://keybase.io/blog/keybase-chat [18:28]
shinohai: heh ben_vulpes I saw that earlier. [18:29]
shinohai: I tried to install it in a sandbox, naturally it says "Oh you are a speshul case because you dont share your private keyz with us" [18:29]
trinque: shinohai what, that's easier! [18:30]
shinohai: not when your keys are airgapped [18:34]
shinohai: but, keybase [18:35]
trinque: !!up framedaddy_ghett [18:36]
deedbot: framedaddy_ghett voiced for 30 minutes. [18:36]
trinque: who is your framedaddydaddy and what does he do? [18:36]
framedaddy_ghett: my stack is too small to handle that chain [18:37]
framedaddy_ghett: oh, there. [18:37]
framedaddy_ghett: basically, whole hosting provider's network went down, unannounced, including all their services etc. funtimes! [18:37]
framedaddy_ghett: (autorecovery seems to have worked, which is always nice) [18:38]
shinohai: !~later tell mod6 3 builds with exp V ... Deb, African, and Gentoo. All worx [18:38]
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded. [18:38]
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/08/the-shallow-depths-of-the-apparent-deep/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The shallow depths of the apparent deep. [18:38]
shinohai: !~ticker --market all [18:45]
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1050.59, vol: 9616.71752270 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1029.999, vol: 7470.47495 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1047.8, vol: 23089.09984459 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1051.561, vol: 2949.29081892 | Volume-weighted last average: 1045.59576314 [18:45]
thestringpuller: shinohai: which Deb? [18:46]
thestringpuller: Jessie? [18:46]
shinohai: Well I tested with wheezy and jessie, mod6 knows my lingo by now (i hope) [18:47]
thestringpuller: ah. do you have an image name for the wheezy you used? i just wanna try it out lol [18:51]
shinohai: thestringpuller: I honestly don't want to encourage you to continue to use Deb for obvious reasons .... but it's just vanilla wheezy [18:54]
shinohai: The only reason I am still testing Deb/Ubuntu at this point is to help potential noobs that have a smidgen of an idea how to operate linux [18:55]
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2017/the-circle-explore-method/ << Daniel P. Barron - The Circle Explore Method [19:08]
danielpbarron: heh, i typed up the xml file manually to make it do that [19:13]
ben_vulpes: lol, dedication [19:14]
shinohai: I manually made buttons to explore and return to town in xml xD [19:15]
shinohai: one for irc but kept messing up client [19:15]
shinohai: #chainstate ..... so much better than irc.cpp [20:22]
mod6: shinohai: +1 outstanding work! thanks for testing those for me. much appreciated. [20:43]
shinohai: o7 [20:47]
mircea_popescu: trinque what do you think re bill, line 1 name, line 2 amount in satoshi, all likes prefixed by a # memo field ? [20:57]
mircea_popescu: nothing else is needed or wanted , or is there ? [20:58]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612495 << if your trb node is on solid hardware might as well add it to the list of nodes otherwise there's an ample swath of thingd to do, depends what your inclination is. i suggested looking into mimisbrunnr in the context of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-29#1609460 [20:59]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 20:46 Reuel: mircea_popescu, i am geting blocks so i guess i built TRB, what would you suggest i do next? you mentioned mimisbrunnr, looking at that now, anything practical I could do except read? [20:59]
a111: Logged on 2017-01-29 17:56 mircea_popescu: then you can look through mimisbrunnr and see the sort of load bitcoin db implies, then you'll be in a fine position to model adequate tests for the profiling thing above [20:59]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612504 << o noes, and i thought keybase is srs bzns of crypto, doesn't try to scam privkeys out of users. [21:03]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 23:29 shinohai: I tried to install it in a sandbox, naturally it says "Oh you are a speshul case because you dont share your private keyz with us" [21:03]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612513 <<< o noes, but i thought internets are srs bidniss run by like professional corporates etc! [21:04]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 23:37 framedaddy_ghett: basically, whole hosting provider's network went down, unannounced, including all their services etc. funtimes! [21:04]
mircea_popescu: whole fucking stack consists of pictures of cats clicking upboat on pictures of dogs going "i have no idea what's going on". [21:04]
shinohai: I'm not Framedragger or asciilifeform levell but I've had my eye own them from inception [21:09]
mircea_popescu: who are them here ? [21:09]
shinohai: them = keybase [21:10]
mircea_popescu: ah ah yea [21:10]
mircea_popescu: in other news, checking out the latest trump news is like fucking catnip, total unintentional comedy & butthurt goldmine. [21:10]
shinohai: Why the insistence I upload mah pk [21:11]
mod6: 'easy d' lol [21:11]
mircea_popescu: pk ? [21:13]
mircea_popescu: anyway, apparently melania trump worked as a high end escort, sez daily mail ? i never had the pleasure, but seriously, wouldn't you WANT a president whose daugther is keen ? [21:13]
shinohai: *pk = privkey [21:15]
mircea_popescu: ah ah [21:17]
mircea_popescu: "i have nfi who thios coretta king person is". totally. [21:22]
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's a harsh blow to the socialist dorks to realise that no, being "an activist" doesn't mean you're someone. every yoko ono out there shudders, and that's... most of the movement. [21:23]
mircea_popescu: anyway. warren becoming the libertard schelling point is possibly the best thing for sanity. she's utterly terrible. [21:25]
mircea_popescu: selected fake news butthurt : https://archive.is/VJCqA [21:30]
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/18b0b3a13a75ed537a94955d7ec082e8/tumblr_o7yhg27Se91v0oj9oo2_500.gif [22:53]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-new-capitalism/#comment-121289 [23:06]
asciilifeform: http://www.trobar.org/troubadours/montan/montan2.php << found by way of the not-so-great www sources. [23:07]
mircea_popescu: o hai. was just answering [23:08]
* asciilifeform sick in bed all day, caught up on l0gz, about to return to same. [23:08]
mircea_popescu: there you go. [23:10]
asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu ! [23:10]
asciilifeform: pretty good bed-reading. [23:10]
mircea_popescu: certainly. [23:12]
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Beautiful new blog layout! [23:17]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-09#1612526 << i saw this and immediately expected it to be about the spiral 'torpedo' search strategy, but nope [23:18]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-09 00:08 deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2017/the-circle-explore-method/ << Daniel P. Barron - The Circle Explore Method [23:18]
asciilifeform: ( pretty spiffy hot-cold search algo used in torpedo and some types of ir-guided rocket. possibly generalizable to n-dimensions ) [23:18]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-09#1612539 << i am unaware of 'keybase' in any ~other~ context but 'ploy for scamming privkeys out of idiots' [23:20]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-09 02:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612504 << o noes, and i thought keybase is srs bzns of crypto, doesn't try to scam privkeys out of users. [23:20]
mircea_popescu: heh. [23:20]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612513 << somehow this unfailingly happens to every d00d who works with tmsr. reminisce nostalgically of the old days when kgb did not have to take down an entire building to plant one phone bug. [23:22]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 23:37 framedaddy_ghett: basically, whole hosting provider's network went down, unannounced, including all their services etc. funtimes! [23:22]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612423 << this is very spiffy phf . didja ever use 'microc' under msdos? similar. [23:23]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 05:22 phf: asciilifeform: http://www.bdsoft.com/resources/bdsc.html "An 8080/Z80 C Compiler" [23:23]
asciilifeform: (though for n00bz i will point out, c compilers as a class did not get much play in the z80 days, because everybody programmed in asm (well, in codes, most folx asmed on paper , by hand) [23:25]
trinque: goes without saying but hey, back your shit up locally, folks [23:25]
asciilifeform: ) [23:25]
* trinque had namecheap "oh we deleted your records but you noticed, so we removed the penis. what penis, even?" while back [23:25]
mircea_popescu: i recall [23:26]
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-09#1612534 << sounds sensible to me [23:26]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-09 01:57 mircea_popescu: trinque what do you think re bill, line 1 name, line 2 amount in satoshi, all likes prefixed by a # memo field ? [23:26]
mircea_popescu: prolly should add line 3, block count where bill is due. [23:27]
trinque: makes sense. and "this is paid when the precise amount of satoshi moves to my account" ? [23:27]
mircea_popescu: so something like http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tOSaM/?raw=true [23:28]
mircea_popescu: trinque well if they're deeds then i say something like !!pay http://deedbot.org/deed-451136-1.txt and deedbot responds with 451136-1.txt paid or insufficient funds or somesuch [23:31]
mircea_popescu: of course im not so sure tight coupling between deeds and bills is such a good idea. [23:33]
trinque: right, previous threads on opposability are coming to mind [23:33]
mircea_popescu: of course in principle deedbot could work as it works now, take any url, if shoe fits it pays. [23:33]
mircea_popescu: so if user wants to deed fine, if not, no. [23:34]
mircea_popescu: that opens up the "omfg why did you pay bill at http://scambills.org/roflcopter.txt it wasn't me!!" to which the retort is hey, sfyl, next time don't let someone else log into #trilema as you. [23:35]
asciilifeform: ^ ups the ante for fleanode-diddling tho. [23:35]
trinque: might be a good thing [23:35]
mircea_popescu: for one, yes, good thing for the otherdeedbot can still limit payments to voiced ppls. [23:35]
mircea_popescu: so you know, if you pass a !!up... [23:36]
trinque: also payment can just challenge with OTP [23:36]
mircea_popescu: should yes. [23:36]
* trinque planned on that [23:36]
mircea_popescu: theres a lot of flexibility here. i mean i can see the value in terms of both ease of use and discovering how frail the system is to not bother with opt challenge on the other i can see the value in terms of solidity and so on to do bother. [23:38]
trinque: perhaps sensible to leave it to choice here as well. [23:43]
trinque: I provide some command to flip the challenge-me bit [23:44]
trinque: folks want to use it out on a night of drinking, can. want to hold it more tightly, also can [23:44]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [23:47]
mircea_popescu: i mean suppose what'll now forever be known as the phf problem : you find yourself stranded in tijuana with a drunk slut in bed. you want to buy breakfast. wut do ? [23:48]
mircea_popescu: !!up mthreat [23:48]
deedbot: mthreat voiced for 30 minutes. [23:48]
mircea_popescu: o.O [23:48]
trinque: speak of the diddle [23:49]
mircea_popescu: !!up mthreat [23:49]
deedbot: mthreat voiced for 30 minutes. [23:49]
mthreat: lol [23:49]
asciilifeform: cosmicray! [23:49]
mthreat: mircea_popescu: how's BA? [23:50]
mircea_popescu: as shitty as always. [23:51]
mircea_popescu: how's texas enjoying the pussygrab ? [23:51]
mthreat: ride 'em cowboy [23:51]
mircea_popescu: lel [23:51]
trinque: mthreat: whereabouts in tx? [23:57]
mthreat: austin [23:58]
trinque: ah I think maybe we had this conversation already [23:58]
trinque: anyhow that's a californian exclave by now right? [23:58]
mthreat: yeah all the rich californians coming into the third world here [23:59]
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