Forum logs for 07 Feb 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
phf: once they figured "grabbing pussy" doesn't work, they reluctantly switched to this whole "journalistic work" thing. what the hell yo gotta try everything once you know? [01:10]
mircea_popescu: awww/ [06:39]
mircea_popescu: but how could grabbing pussy not have worked!!11 [06:40]
mircea_popescu: putin influenced teh grab. [06:40]
mircea_popescu: o wow check this out, they even got the ayatollah out of the mothball closet! [07:33]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the epicenter of hot blondies, [07:37]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone actually looked into the "so called judge", james robart ? turns out he's a proper judge as opposed to the glorified court clerks the us has been replacing the judgeship with pretty famous in seattle for tearing down seattle's ban on strip clubs. [07:54]
mircea_popescu: oh man, the fucking 70s... [08:20]
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : if your girl's comfortable taking shoes to bed, i've probably seen her naked before you have.) [08:20]
phf: amusingly enough, the consensus among local nordics (swedes, norgewians and danes so far) is that "pussy grabbing" is just an obvious, if an extreme reaction to the american political correctness insanity [09:14]
phf: so even the "nodic" allies are not buying the narrative [09:16]
mircea_popescu: which it exactly is neh ? [09:22]
mircea_popescu: try this experiment, see what it'd take to entice male randomly chosen to grab woman. even if from behind. [09:22]
mircea_popescu: it'll be a degree of magnitude cheaper to get same fellow to sucker punch someone. [09:22]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes turns out danielpbarron is working the daylights out of mz lustt eh ? :D [09:24]
asciilifeform: << witness, absolutely as if clitler were on the iron throne [10:17]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-07 12:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the epicenter of hot blondies, [10:17]
asciilifeform: << mircea_popescu is mistaken in the belief that usa has a seekrit inner core of 'sane judges'. there is no such thing as a sane judge in a reich. any more than you can have a 'sane' rubyonlgbtpqrs programmer. [10:20]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-07 12:54 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone actually looked into the "so called judge", james robart ? turns out he's a proper judge as opposed to the glorified court clerks the us has been replacing the judgeship with pretty famous in seattle for tearing down seattle's ban on strip clubs. [10:20]
asciilifeform: << is that the shot-self-in-eye d00d again? his expression! he looks as if he ~knew~... [10:22]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-07 13:20 mircea_popescu: oh man, the fucking 70s... [10:22]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, clitler is bak! : '“Despite all the challenges we face, I remain convinced that YES, the future is female,” Clinton said in a videotaped message to the 2017 Makers Conference in California. Makers is a storytelling platform for raising issues impacting women.' [10:37]
shinohai: <<< heh this is an interesting ZX clone, never seen one like it. [10:37]
asciilifeform: shinohai: there literally a thousand types of this, in late '80s-early '90s [10:41]
asciilifeform: most sold as kits, by grey market folk [10:41]
shinohai: I've seen other clones, this one looks so ..... industrial [10:41]
asciilifeform: eh it looks quite like the others [10:41]
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a fully native ro version. [10:42]
phf: fwiw, not much info about it,Файл:Dik_Case.jpg [11:24]
asciilifeform: not much info about most of these, typically 1-2 d00dz involved in making, and a few hundred -- sold. [11:25]
asciilifeform: jungle industry. [11:25]
phf: right right [11:25]
phf: unrelatedly i got allegro's CLIM2 running (on an allegro). it's significantly faster than mcclim, mostly because it uses a MOTIF subtrate, which also means that it's even ugglier, and also otherwise prehistoric [11:28]
phf: it looks like the codebase is entirely licensed from symbolics, and there are leftover, possibly operational bits, that talked directly to x11 (with "genera" and "(c) symbolics" all over it), at some point allegro added a subtrate layer, that they called silica, which at the moment can do a motif or a windows nt backends. [11:30]
asciilifeform: phf: imho it is of purely historical interest -- just like the other smbx material [11:32]
phf: it's no problem, i have a plan, i'm going to sell all my computing hardware and from then on do all my work from an ipad [11:34]
asciilifeform: iirc you gotta lose pgp key first!111 [11:35]
asciilifeform: (then -- postbox...) [11:35]
phf: y'all wanna buy some superior computing environment? i got here some good shit, my man. i just need like $10 for the bus, and then i have a guy, he's going to drop it off for me, c'mon man [11:38]
shinohai: <<< lol I actually have an old fax machine somewhere, but prolly not worth effort just to troll the feebs [12:34]
asciilifeform: woah -- first swallows of the dewinblowzification spring..? [12:35]
asciilifeform: (prolly not. but could picture it.) [12:35]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that's putin. [13:19]
mircea_popescu: and yes they didn't change him [13:19]
mircea_popescu: and no, that's a young trump with i don't recall what slut. [13:20]
asciilifeform: stack trace plox, i lost the frame, which was putin [13:21]
asciilifeform: ? [13:21]
mircea_popescu: iron throne [13:24]
asciilifeform: aa [13:24]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha future is female get the fuck out of here. [13:24]
mircea_popescu: do they actually hatch this idiocy or how does it come about [13:25]
deedbot: << Qntra - Pence Casts Tie-Breaking Vote In Blow To US Socialist Extraction Machine [13:25]
BingoBoingo: !~google Pence in our time [13:26]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Not Quite News Roundup Xtend 15 (TM)(R) – Pence In Our Time ...: <> Mike Pence's Hateful Laws Almost Kept Me From My Dying Wife - Time: <> Mike Pence Shares a Moving Christmas Message – TruthFeed: < [13:26]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo perfect. [13:27]
BingoBoingo: tyvm [13:27]
mircea_popescu: short and exactly to the point. [13:27]
mircea_popescu: and no, trump should never have endorsed the mccain imbecile. [13:28]
BingoBoingo: After mats reappearance last night put new "Active Voice!!!" sticky note on monitor. [13:28]
mircea_popescu: definitely helped. [13:30]
BingoBoingo: Anyways in 2018 Trump gets the Senate and McCain can fuck off to Bahamas party [13:30]
asciilifeform: mccain is almost a human embodiment of usa per se. destroyed several jets through, legend has it, militant incompetence with ~own hands~, and by some accounts - entire battleship. result: promotion. (father was an admiral) [13:30]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AHA, the George HW Bush Story repeated!!! [13:31]
BingoBoingo: Bush I tossed coin in "Football Great Again!!!" game Sunday. "tossed" is exaggeration, but... [13:32]
mircea_popescu: aha. [13:33]
* mircea_popescu originally said aha to "fuck off to bahamas party", but really, whole thing. [13:35]
hanbot: <<< >>> neh. [13:41]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-14 21:44 asciilifeform: 'Lol this is easily the best "unhappen" yet. So as the story goes, a secret key that exists and is regularily updated since 2006 suddenly — but deliberately! — gets a shared factor in 2016, as part of a didactic exercise which consists of doing euclids and other calisthenics. As a sub-plot thickener, it is for the first time announced that it takes 11*10/2 operations to obtain a 600+ digit prime factor in Berlin, which is somewha [13:41]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-03 17:21 asciilifeform: the one 'quantum comp' that is a reasonable possibility is the perpetuum mobile sort. where, e.g., a class of weak (i.e. cheaply breakable from birth, or from a few published signatures) rsa keys is discovered in the dungeons, and dressed up into a 'we haz magical rsa breaker box, go switch to $shitcrypto' [13:41]
asciilifeform: hanbot: there are possible broad classes of diddled rng that will result in trivially breakable keys, but not phuctorable in the usual sense (without my knowing the trick) [13:45]
asciilifeform: there are also several known classes of ~naturally~ occurring 'sad prime', and some unknown number of unknown such classes. [13:45]
asciilifeform: plenty of room for alchemy. [13:46]
asciilifeform: consider a very simple example, the debian keys. prior to when i added their factors to the 8ball by hand, only a handful of them popped. [13:47]
ben_vulpes: << gotit [13:47]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-07 00:58 mircea_popescu: << that's how a call to you looks. [13:47]
asciilifeform: (because there were 32768 possible primes of every particular size, which makes for very few natural collisions.) [13:47]
ben_vulpes: willfix [13:47]
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo [13:48]
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded. [13:48]
asciilifeform: hanbot: conceivably, a sabotaged generator that yields 2**32 possible keys, will result in ~0 natural collisions, and remain invisible to phuctor unless i first find it via some other means. [13:49]
asciilifeform: (elementary application of 'birthday theorem') [13:50]
asciilifeform: it may even be that ~most~ rsa keys, such as presently exist, are cheaply breakable. [13:52]
deedbot: << Qntra - Police One Forum Hacked In 2015, Users Notified Now [13:53]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didja ever learn how the hell shitflare got between you and anybody at all ? [13:57]
asciilifeform: it seems like a first-class wtf to me, supposing that ben_vulpes did not have it ~anywhere~ in his stack at any point [13:57]
ben_vulpes: no, i goofed. left a link to someone else's css. [13:58]
asciilifeform: aah [13:58]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can ssl or gpg be beaten into eating a specific file of entropy without patching them? [13:59]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nope [14:00]
ben_vulpes: strikes me as nutty [14:01]
asciilifeform: grab the canonical source (deedbotted by mircea_popescu) and see for yourself. [14:02]
asciilifeform: (if you participated in asciilifeform's wild goose chase in august '16, you already have a copy) [14:02]
ben_vulpes: i did some amount of reading, sought confirmation [14:02]
asciilifeform: while we're on the subj, i will say that reading from just ~one~ centralized rng, is braindamaged [14:04]
asciilifeform: and not only in the sense of 'having 1 rng on the physical iron is braindamaged' but doing the mixing in a centralized place, known in advance to the enemy, is likewise idiotic [14:04]
asciilifeform: per specificity-of-diddling lemma [14:05]
asciilifeform: mix at the point of use. [14:05]
asciilifeform: and other proggies running on the box have 0 business knowing which serial ttys are rngs, which are terminals, and which -- nukes [14:05]
BingoBoingo: In other news, the best part of starting Brussel sprouts from seed is culling the delicious seedlings. [14:08]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if i go and dd if=/dev/whatever1234 of=foo.bin bs=512 count=1 , there is no mechanical way to say, am i generating a 4096-bit whatever key ? or reading voltages from my air conditioner ? or whichever. [14:09]
asciilifeform: whereas if i say dd if=/dev/random .... [14:09]
asciilifeform: this is why i did not make FUCKGOATS a usb device in the usual sense. and did not give it any 'test mode command' or in fact any way to manipulate its state from the connected comp at all. [14:11]
asciilifeform: (you can put it in slave clock mode, but only by connecting physical wires in the very specific way described in the docs, and never 'from software') [14:12]
asciilifeform: ('slave clock' in turn is an illustration of specificity-of-diddling. say you do not want to run the thing at the default clock, because you suspect that enemy rented the flat below yours and is microwaving your box, not only penetrating the shields but boiling your tea for you, etc. and you want to run at a different, unknown to him, frequency. well -- you can.) [14:15]
hanbot: <asciilifeform> it may even be that ~most~ rsa keys, such as presently exist, are cheaply breakable. << i'd've thought accessibility only via some other means precluded cheapness. but anyway, interestingk. [14:34]
asciilifeform: hanbot: cheap for the fella behind the trigger. [14:34]
asciilifeform: for everyone else -- expensive. [14:34]
hanbot: aha [14:35]
asciilifeform: the ftmeade jargon, iirc, is 'nobus' ('no one but us'), in contrast with 'phuctor-style' discoverable hole. [14:35]
hanbot: i thought it was "nothing is beyond our reach" or what's that idiocy with the octopus [14:39]
asciilifeform: nah that was usg's 'geospatial intelligence' ministry. [14:42]
asciilifeform: (for some reason unknown to me, the satellite folx have a separate one) [14:42]
hanbot: oh right [14:44]
mircea_popescu: o look at that, "it's laggy". [15:00]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same node as earlier ? [15:01]
mircea_popescu: you mean freenode ? yeah. [15:02]
asciilifeform: i meant, what was foo in [15:02]
asciilifeform: (i have blacklist, with several duds already in it, for eons now) [15:02]
mircea_popescu: same,[] [15:03]
mircea_popescu: i kinda dun feel like connecting to their new nsa servers (no, mp doesn't buy the "user provided" angle, seeing how they wouldn't take HIS) [15:04]
asciilifeform: as if one were any more or less infested than another. [15:04]
mircea_popescu: in general empire is inept, the worst thing you can do for them is use their own older shit. [15:04]
shinohai: I had to manually put connection ip's into jhvh1 .... for some reason it drops connection trying to resolve names [15:05]
mircea_popescu: i don't use their dns. [15:05]
asciilifeform: (what's the attack mode of a fleanode box, at any rate, while we're on the subj..? selectively vanishes messages ? inserts crapola ? as i see it, this will show up in the logtrons. and even if not, we have ways of reaching one another and pointing out the fact) [15:05]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine they think themselves advanced for being able to log chans and steal pms. [15:06]
asciilifeform: i can hardly picture a fleanode that ~didn't~ log chans and pms from day 1 ! [15:06]
deedbot: << Qntra - Socialist Seek To Replace Socialist Zuckerberg On Facebook Board For Insufficient Socialism [15:07]
asciilifeform: it is the reasonable thing to presuppose, re a public turd of heathen provenance. [15:07]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the lulz where in same amsterdam dc box #i of 1..n suddenly "is laggy" while the rest are not, only for box j to be laggy two days after switch (ie the next tues) [15:08]
mircea_popescu: this is "national security", idiocy scarcely qualified for highschool. [15:08]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. besides, i don't even fucking use pms, and the c [15:08]
mircea_popescu: chan is logged anyway. [15:08]
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: "this coups" [15:09]
ben_vulpes: whole sentence is kinda iffy [15:10]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sane folx using pm, treat it as a variant of pastebin. but apparently 'the squirrels don't know that' ( ) [15:10]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 15:31 asciilifeform: man in a nuthouse. he cowers in the corner, won't let anyone come near, in very odd pose. finally the d00dz in white coats come. they ask: [15:10]
mats: [15:14]
asciilifeform: mats: if only they had with what to glass it. [15:15]
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: ty fxd [15:16]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "an sworn" [15:20]
mircea_popescu: liek an hero ? [15:21]
BingoBoingo: ty fxd, could make good meme fodder, but prolly ought to save for better opportinitit [15:21]
mircea_popescu: ye [15:21]
thestringpuller: mod6: wheezy doesn't want to build TRB anymore. ping me if you have a specific image that you recommend from the wheezy era [15:54]
shinohai: Strange wheezy won't build trb ... I did it < month ago without issue. [16:06]
mod6: should be fine with gcc 4.9. [16:09]
mod6: can you send us log of what you're seeing? [16:09]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what does gcc --version return ? [16:14]
asciilifeform: and really, buildroot's gcc won't build..? [16:15]
asciilifeform: would be mighty interesting to see why. [16:15]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in monkeystan, >> univ. of md. Officially proclaims willful pissing on white house: [16:17]
asciilifeform: 'We will provide you with all available protections under the law and in accordance with the guidance provided by the State Attorney General: We will not release information on immigration status of our students, unless required by law. We will not share student information ​with Immigration and Custom Enforcement (ICE)​ officials without a court order. We will not permit ​ICE officials to enter campus buildings to search fo [16:17]
asciilifeform: r undocumented persons, unless they have a warrant or absent exigent circumstances. UM​D police will not partner with ​ICE officials to assist with ​immigration enforcement activities. UM​D police​ will not detain, question, or arrest any individual solely on the basis of his or her undocumented status.' [16:17]
asciilifeform: i.e. 'we will do exactly what we did under obummer, and fuck you, and oh hey did we mention, fuck you? and go ahead and try to pull fed funding, that button ain't connected' [16:18]
asciilifeform: exists. [16:20]
asciilifeform: didjaknow. [16:20]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [17:31]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1052.0, vol: 5129.03811558 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1030.997, vol: 5597.36894 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1049.5, vol: 15017.12842532 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1070.270652, vol: 14945.30990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1053.0, vol: 1952.24446202 | Volume-weighted last average: 1054.81203975 [17:31]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform umd is also going away. [17:55]
mircea_popescu: unlike the rich ivy leagues, it entirely lives off trump's charity. [17:55]
mircea_popescu: in my own experience, it's very common for poorly socialized anal child to neeneer something along these lines, "oh you wouldn't dare" until the very first time you grab a stick and take his consciousness away. [17:57]
mircea_popescu: and in picrelated, [18:04]
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, the "Special relationsheep" britain speaker of parliament declares he will oppose trump speaking in uk parliament. hurr! [18:06]
mircea_popescu: (also, trump releases list of ~100 terrorist attacks, fake news agrees with itself that this changes nothing, that it's not fake news and that durr!) [18:08]
mircea_popescu: "We can’t know how the battle will finish, only that it will be fought. This is, quite suddenly, the story of our time." [18:22]
mircea_popescu: epic shit. i guess ima start offering a bitcent per cracked progressive head, or somesuch. lettuce fight "the battle" then huh. [18:22]
shinohai: I tried to get tits in here for us today, wannabe slut won't show her face so I said "Well, can't exactly help you" [18:25]
mircea_popescu: lmao [18:26]
shinohai: I just don't understand girls that say "I wanna be popular and get followers, but won't show face for X reason. Why doesn't anyone like me?" [18:31]
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what they're thinking. not like you can date without linking your cooch page, so wtf. [18:31]
mircea_popescu: by 2017 they must have gone through the "hai" "tits or gtfo" "uhh...." cycle at least 1k times. what, they need 1k more ? [18:32]
shinohai: No shit, saw this hamplanet girl getting boned by a guy in a horse mask today. Face for the world to see, no shame. [18:34]
shinohai: But ask then to take a topless pic with face "Oh shit, that's too much" [18:34]
mircea_popescu: she's probably got some scrawny horse at home and doesn't perceive the branch to swing to all that clearly. [18:35]
BingoBoingo: Stop asking dealing with mental defectives like hamplanets? [18:35]
mircea_popescu: he was making a simile [18:35]
BingoBoingo: But he prefaced it with "no shit" so I assume truefax [18:36]
mircea_popescu: "you're not even fat, what exactly is your problem ?" "PRECISELY that! I still hold on to my princess delusions because unlike the fatty, i've not been forced to abandon them yet." [18:37]
shinohai: ^ [18:37]
shinohai: <<< LMAO [18:39]
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that "civilisation" aka "liberal democracy" aka rank nonsense promises her "a job" doing nothing and a full trough every day, no matter what. the shit must be taken away, let the average girl worry about feeding herself, ukraine style. [18:39]
mircea_popescu: lel [18:39]
mircea_popescu: who does those ? [18:41]
mircea_popescu: but in other lulz : whenever a "liberal" dork points out that "the electoral college is broken because hillarious clinton got 52% of the popular vote", feel free to retort the inept hag carried less than 500 counties. out of over 3000. [18:42]
mircea_popescu: she's about 1 in 7. [18:42]
asciilifeform: << 'trump's' usg is rather like that ameriexpat d00d's bangkok pub. that is, 'his' to ceremonially sit on. [18:44]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-07 22:55 mircea_popescu: unlike the rich ivy leagues, it entirely lives off trump's charity. [18:44]
asciilifeform: e.g., berkeley, last i heard, not unplugged yet. [18:44]
mircea_popescu: berkley has endowments. umd, not so much. [18:44]
asciilifeform: nor cia generals directing ukrs, removed. etc [18:44]
mircea_popescu: in fact umd is exactly in the position of "the talented mr ripley" [18:44]
asciilifeform: ~0 endowments in umd. it is funded by extorting md state treasury, and secondarily by milking chumps. [18:45]
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, that thing's been redone a few times, always hacky and with hacks. the original version - is with alain delon. see that, compare the ustardian ineptitude, it's a cultural shock about on the level of comparing the original diabolique with the ustardian remakes. really puts some light on the fundamental cultural inferiority of the new world.) [18:46]
shinohai: !~weather [18:55]
jhvh1: stormy with a chance of packeting [18:55]
ben_vulpes: stormy with a chance of popescurage [18:57]
mircea_popescu: heh [18:57]
mircea_popescu: i'm rather amused, tbh. [18:58]
mircea_popescu: diabolique with the ustardian remakes. really puts some light on the fundamental cultural inferiority of the new world.) [18:58]
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform so far in the ukraine the russians are on the move, the "goivernment controlled" areas shrinking. they just lost another rural shithole this morning [18:58]
mircea_popescu: and, amusingly, fake news are too busy stroking each other with bathrobe talk to say anything. and then expect anyone to think very much of them. hurr. [18:58]
mircea_popescu: that shit was so amusing, the collective sigh of relief on twitter, "finally, something we are qualified to discuss! bathrobes!" [18:58]
mircea_popescu: omfg check it out... no lag! too bad it gets laggy sometimes ~randomly~. hurr. [18:59]
asciilifeform: maybe the ftmeade pipe nao has lag, and so mircea_popescu's -- doesn't [18:59]
mircea_popescu: aww such battelfields of teh futures. [19:00]
mircea_popescu: don't tell me orcs have buttons too ?! [19:00]
asciilifeform: << in other lulz [19:01]
mircea_popescu: o hey, there's the other side ? [19:02]
mircea_popescu: "Leftists don’t merely disagree with you. They don’t merely feel you are misguided. They don’t think you are merely wrong. They hate you. They want you enslaved and obedient, if not dead." [19:03]
mircea_popescu: hey, the feeling is entyirely mutual. i don't simply think they're misguided, although they are, or for that matter wrong. i don't hate them, but there's no question of the world continuing on any other basis than the complete enslavement of any lefty anywhere. [19:03]
mircea_popescu: chains for the poor, whippings for the poor, feed children as little as they can bear and send them away from their mothers as soon as they can wlak, to slave in the house of another. [19:04]
asciilifeform: eh if the immune system worked, the tumour would not be basketball-sized. [19:04]
mircea_popescu: that's what built the british empire, that's EXACTLY what built european civilisation, and i would much rather cut a limb off any three year old than ever again encounter any of these unchecked, unhumbled, unhinged monstrosities "liberal our democracy" produces. [19:05]
mircea_popescu: fucking 7 year cycles, most of the idiots must be dead by the time they're 7 and people are looking for compliant cocksuckers to fill the scant page jobs available. [19:05]
mircea_popescu: for every hipster in a hipster beard and hat, a dozen innocent infants must lose a limb. [19:07]
mircea_popescu: maybe make a website for it too. "here's the dozen children that had to lose a limb because johnny mc fucksticks, "hacker and evanghelist" had really bad parents who didn't beat him." [19:12]
mircea_popescu: but in other butthurt, from thenewrepublic fake news outlet : "The term “fake news” outlived its usefulness almost as soon as it became common parlance, and is perhaps only valuable now as a marker for whether journalism that paints President Donald Trump in an unflattering light has reached his desk." ie, "our arm outlived its usefulness just as soon as the enemy broke it off our shoulder and started beating us in the he [19:13]
mircea_popescu: ad with it. shame on the arm!" [19:13]
mircea_popescu: idiots. [19:13]
asciilifeform: << relatedly [19:26]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : significantly more widely read today than i bow to your more relevant lulzlinks lol [19:27]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, they won't fucking yield, mostly because being a libertard means you have absolutely nothing else, so what exactly would be the difference between yielding and blowing oneself up ? they would, isis style, if they had the guts. [19:28]
mircea_popescu: so yes, it'll be either crush them now or crush them tomorrow or crush them next week etcetera. the only variable is how long the gnashing of teeth is to last. [19:28]
mircea_popescu: supposedly mercy killing is when you kill an injured animal on the spot, rather than torture it medically for a while first. [19:29]
mircea_popescu: then again, i am hard pressed to ground the proposition that the left shouldn't be tortured in anything palpable. why exactly not ? i have nfi. [19:29]
mircea_popescu: "And the frightening thing is that the Left is so foolish, so stuck in its bubble that it has no understanding that it can only push so far before the people with all the guns and all the training push back. That’s the problem with kids who were raised on participation trophies and who never got into a fistfight – they don’t consider the possibility that they will lose, and lose hard." << dude exactly has it. loudmouth [19:31]
mircea_popescu: derp who's never been punched imagines his edgy talk is something he can support because he has no life experience and will be shocked to discover that if you get yourself in the situation where you get punched, people don't usually stop after the first one, even though you switchedon a dime from tough talking dragon to whining little girl. [19:31]
mircea_popescu: but in any case - stomping into the ground anyone with "protests" is certainly the moral imperative of the age. to quote the left's own agitprop. [19:33]
asciilifeform: the folx 'with the guns and training' were raped by washington (shay's rebellion), by hoover (bonus army), by johnson (vietnam), by bush/obummer (iraq bonus withdrawal, retroactive, evictions, dekulakizations.) somehow. [19:33]
mircea_popescu: well yeah. the veterans usually get fucked, from rome onwards. [19:34]
asciilifeform: the 1 time they didn't, was the winter palace thing. [19:34]
mircea_popescu: which is this ? [19:35]
asciilifeform: ww1 vets of ru, 1917. [19:35]
mircea_popescu: how exactly didn't they get the same baculum ? [19:35]
asciilifeform: 'civil war' != 'go home sad' [19:36]
mircea_popescu: how not ? think of them as hookers. [19:37]
mircea_popescu: so they got fucked once and didn't get paid, so they went to the fucker's house to complain. [19:37]
mircea_popescu: who ... fucked once more, and allowed them to stay on, to get fucked more as the need may arise. [19:37]
mircea_popescu: this is a deal ? because why, they "got married" ? tyvm. [19:37]
mircea_popescu: they didn't go home happy. [19:37]
asciilifeform: mno. went to his house, and burned it to the ground, and fucked his daughters' neck stumps. [19:37]
asciilifeform: ~then~ went on to get fucked by new folx, in new orifices. [19:38]
mircea_popescu: mno. hooker fucks, soldier fights. as the hooker fucked so the soldier fought. [19:38]
mircea_popescu: basically they fought another war for free because they weren't paid for he first one ? [19:38]
mircea_popescu: bitch, veteran = golden solidus and all the barbarian women in a county. that's the deal. [19:38]
mircea_popescu: not "come to palace cut more heads". [19:38]
mircea_popescu: wtf, suppose you're a plumber, go do a spot of work, dork refuses to pay, you go to courthouse to complain they make you do their plumbing too. this sounds like a deal to you ? [19:39]
mircea_popescu: you're only plumbing to get paid, it's not your fucking physiological function after all! [19:39]
asciilifeform: if 'their plumbing' means 'stitch malefactor's arse to his mouth' and take his gold -- then yes, deal. [19:39]
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that. ww1 veterans got gold ? what gold did they get ? [19:40]
mircea_popescu: you understand the ancient conception of war ? you raise a bunch of men, you go the next town over, you beat up all the guys, this is the work you fuck all the women and drink all the booze, this is the party (like what they do in sane jurisdiction during college games, the winning team gets the naked cheerleaders of tghe losers') then all the gold found on the premises is melted into one single thing and it is poured in [19:41]
mircea_popescu: as many equal rounds as there are men present. [19:41]
mircea_popescu: that's the solidus, a trophy of the victory. each soldier takes his home. [19:42]
mircea_popescu: to be traded away or kept, but in any case - his. his by right of war. [19:42]
asciilifeform: ww2 (and zhukov in particular, with his trains) was hilarious exhibit of orcs trying, hopelessly, to apply this principle to modern conveniences [19:42]
mircea_popescu: and the losers are to do what losers are to do, raise the children resultant. [19:42]
mircea_popescu: aha. [19:43]
asciilifeform: grunt can take the 'tic, tac' 40 watches home, but not the berlin train system [19:43]
mircea_popescu: germans were more practical, burn teh locals take the train system. [19:43]
asciilifeform: (though they did find a way to take zeiss home -- entire thing, men, machines, glass.) [19:43]
asciilifeform: quite likely there are folx in rural ru still shitting in toilets from reichstag to this day. [19:44]
asciilifeform: i suspect that modern folx see war as a snore at least partly because there is not so much that is to be carted away. killing, e.g., usg troops, is pest control. cockroaches - don't have gold. [19:47]
mircea_popescu: aha. [19:47]
mircea_popescu: this is very much so. [19:47]
mircea_popescu: kinda why war became asymmetric [19:48]
asciilifeform: vietnamese would not even take the rifles. 'this little black rifle is of no use to our cause.' --actual order [19:48]
mircea_popescu: well they were pretty shitty rifles. [19:48]
asciilifeform: it was the first swallow of the post-eisenhower spring. [19:48]
asciilifeform: (which birthed f35 et al.) [19:49]
mircea_popescu: pretty much yeah [19:49]
mircea_popescu: if it weren't for the needs of us industry to feel important and relevant, war'd have been fought with ak-47 on both sides. [19:49]
mircea_popescu: allowing the ru to superiorily lulz at teh orcs. [19:49]
asciilifeform: by some accounts, good share of the actual 2way fire exchanges, ~were~ with ak. [19:50]
asciilifeform: vietnam is a fascinating treasury of lulz, and quite well-documented. how, for instance, the command was mainly occupied with question of how to actually make the conscripts fight instead of 'travail arabe' imitation (consisting of retreat and shots fired for sound effect) [19:51]
asciilifeform: they settled on physically marooning the cannon fodder behind enemy lines, with chopper. hence that vehicle becoming iconic of the period. [19:52]
mircea_popescu: aha. otherwise dumbest thing ever, really, chopper as battle machine ?! [19:52]
mircea_popescu: why not those idiotic tank on stilts things from holywood "fiction" [19:53]
asciilifeform: they were cannonfodder-inserters first, gun platform -- distant second. [19:53]
asciilifeform: the latter works, in all fairness, quite well against folx with ~0 air defense. [19:54]
asciilifeform: (iirc, most airframes lost, at least according to Official histories, were accounted for by mechanical wear) [19:54]
shinohai: <<< pornstar facial recognition, actually kinda neat [19:58]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: dulap has been down for like a month now? [20:44]
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: your node went down recently it looks like [20:44]
thestringpuller: as of current looks like there are no TRB nodes responding [20:44]
thestringpuller: (except deedbot) [20:47]
shinohai: mimisbrunnr is up [20:48]
thestringpuller: i can't find the IP in the logs [20:48]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it's up, and even the heathen survey thing sees it [20:49]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: problem is on your end [20:50]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not possible to have "0 air defense" to the level of making it safe for helicopter. [20:50]
mircea_popescu: a hunting rifle suffices. [20:50]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: weird heathen survey connects on my VPN machine but not from my local network? [20:51]
thestringpuller: but don't thinkt that'd be problem ~_~ [20:51]
mircea_popescu: shinohai works swimmingly, identified all my social media bots. [20:51]
shinohai: :D [20:52]
asciilifeform: anyone other than thestringpuller has trb node that can't hear dulap ? [20:52]
shinohai: I can see it, and yes 21co sees it as well [20:53]
thestringpuller: ah yea. and I can hear it through proxy, but not directly from network [20:53]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: out of curiosity-- what isp [20:53]
thestringpuller: ATT [20:53]
asciilifeform: gsm? [20:53]
thestringpuller: no. "UVerse" [20:54]
asciilifeform: what ~can~ you connect to? zoolag? [20:54]
asciilifeform: how about mircea_popescu's node [20:54]
thestringpuller: i can connect to deedbot [20:55]
thestringpuller: haven't tried MP-node [20:55]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what does your build look like ? [20:55]
shinohai: oh god 4g lte [20:55]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: one other thing: is there a prb node also on your lan? it might have led to malleus banhammering of your ip. [20:56]
asciilifeform: (supposing you're behind a nat) [20:57]
thestringpuller: cycled my modem, seems to have fixed it, if albeit temporarily... [21:01]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if you're interested in a perma-cure, plz consider answering my qs [21:02]
thestringpuller: it's built on Debian Jessie frozen circa mid 2015 (except for sakurity updates) [21:02]
thestringpuller: no PRB nodes on the LAN [21:03]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this wouldn't be the first isp that tried to monkey with the naked bits , nor the last [21:04]
thestringpuller: only a matter of time before some ISP blocks all outgoing 8333 traffic [21:06]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: most wireless carriers in usa -- already do afaik [21:06]
thestringpuller: and so the war goes on. [21:06]
thestringpuller: thx for your help asciilifeform [21:07]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1667...5417 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( NO) [21:09]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1648...0553 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( NO) [21:09]
thestringpuller: << gcc (Debain 4.7.2-5) 4.7.2 the problem is g++ won't install due to some dependency conflict in apt-get I don't know exactly what package(s) is(are) causing it... [21:09]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-07 21:09 mod6: should be fine with gcc 4.9. [21:09]
asciilifeform: lemme guess, the conflict is the shitgcc it ships with [21:10]
asciilifeform: unless you have some peculiar reason for using this distro - throw it out. [21:10]
asciilifeform: get a known-working one. [21:11]
thestringpuller: habit. i'm likely going to nuke this one for gentoo. [21:11]
shinohai: gentoo definitely solves a lot of headaches [21:12]
thestringpuller: it's time consuming tho, but what good things aren't? [21:13]
shinohai: It isn't bad really. You can test drive in a chroot until you have time to build actual kernel. [21:19]
mod6: <+thestringpuller> << gcc (Debain 4.7.2-5) 4.7.2 the problem is g++ won't install due to some dependency conflict in apt-get I don't know exactly what package(s) is(are) causing it... << ahh, huh. well, if you ever figure out what it is, let us know. [21:26]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-07 21:09 mod6: should be fine with gcc 4.9. [21:26]
phf: << i actually heard that phrase verbatim from the nordics more than once in the past week [23:07]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: ahahaha future is female get the fuck out of here. [23:07]
phf: << if we're sticking to unix, should really be able to specify which random device to use, with /dev/random being fallback. of course they Solved it on Plan9 (tm), you can bind whatever endpoint as /dev/random in your process [23:14]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-07 19:05 asciilifeform: and other proggies running on the box have 0 business knowing which serial ttys are rngs, which are terminals, and which -- nukes [23:14]
phf: << i'm using that ip list that you pasted in round-robin for both bouncer and the bot, and subjectively shit's been dropping more frequently. [23:26]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-07 20:05 mircea_popescu: i don't use their dns. [23:26]
phf: << umd is a giant h1-b clearing house, when you take away that, there's nothing left. at a recent career fair i saw huge lines of azns and indians at google and facebook booths ("our wait time finally dropped below an hour so i could get away and grab lunch") [23:36]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-07 21:18 asciilifeform: i.e. 'we will do exactly what we did under obummer, and fuck you, and oh hey did we mention, fuck you? and go ahead and try to pull fed funding, that button ain't connected' [23:36]
phf: i could count the natives on two hands, and only one or two with the right kinds of brains. on the other hand incredibly large number of "i have a ph.d. and a patent back in china, studying here for compsci undergrad" [23:39]
phf: first time you see a physics ph.d. with a patent you're kind of impressed, but when you have ten of them in a row.. [23:40]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1422...1713 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( DE) [23:55]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1635...0359 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( DE) [23:55]
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