Forum logs for 08 Aug 2018
| * mircea_popescu | is gonna arenal tomorrow/thurs. will prolly still read logs tho. | [03:52] |
| spyked: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-07-aug-2018#2464457 <-- I'd very much like to give the rss bot prototype a shot at this, if possible. the bot is not battle ready, but this would be an opportunity to stress test the basic functionality. if you think it's worth it, give the sign and I'll have it join #asciilifeform | [07:26] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-08-07 22:25 asciilifeform: the log is easy part , i can stand up own if needed. the rss is the tricky. | [07:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | << https://sysarmy.wordpress.com/2018/08/06/irc-sysarmy-r-en-freenode/ in other news, the question of wtf a "sysarmy" is supposed to even be remains open | [10:06] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: perhaps a la ye olde конармия (i.e. vintage sovism for cavalry ) | [10:09] |
| asciilifeform: | сисармия. | [10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | o look at that, "argentinian sysadmin community". let me dispel any such nonsense : there is no such thing as an argentine sysadmin. | [10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, discussion of the freenode lulz is ~entirely absent. turns out freenode was exactly as dead as http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-other-dead-things/ suggests. | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | by the time you gotta scrape the barrel so tightly you end up with argentine fucktards, you know there's definitely nothing there. | [10:11] |
| asciilifeform: | https://sysarmy.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/img_20170703_201217_766.jpg?w=1080 << wtf orcistan | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | you don't understand etsy chic | [10:14] |
| asciilifeform: | evidently | [10:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | neither do they, but they've seen something in a picture from somewhere (ie, specifically, http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/ | [10:15] |
| asciilifeform: | the piss-stained microshit keyboard, esp. classy... | [10:15] |
| * mircea_popescu | stands up and sings "Traim decenii de impliniri marete! Traim decenii de munca si avint! Traim decenii de vis si frumusete! Traim decenii de intelept cuvint..." | [10:16] |
| asciilifeform: | bahaha | [10:16] |
| asciilifeform: | http://www.sovmusic.ru/text.php?fname=zhitsta1 << see also. | [10:17] |
| asciilifeform: | based, of course, on the famous 'Жить стало лучше, жить стало веселей!' (tm)(r)(stalin) | [10:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | ooobviously. | [10:18] |
| * mircea_popescu | readily suspects all stupid everywhere is merely copy-paste-markov'd from stupid somewhere else. | [10:19] |
| asciilifeform: | !Q later tell BingoBoingo plox to move the usb drive into RK 'C' and power up, but ping me when setting out to dc, i want to test it before you go back | [10:19] |
| lobbesbot: | asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. | [10:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | Сталину крикнуть "Спасибо, Родной!" hey, this is actually not even fucking terrible. | [10:22] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: there's a handful of known 'elementary particles' of stupid, that aren't copies of one another (e.g. 'decenii de intelept cuvint!'-stupid, britney-stupid, goats-and-cousins-fucking desert-stupid , threadbare chukcha-stupid, ... ) but aside from that, yes, copies, how else | [10:22] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: quite a few of the ru originals were not-terrible | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe we find the moron to go with the gluon and the muon | [10:22] |
| * asciilifeform | has a pretty fat disk of'em | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | can you believe, btw, the "spammers" ARENT registering nicks ? | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | fucking 80% generation, it's uncanny. | [10:23] |
| asciilifeform: | lol perhaps they have to do it by hand, contracted to nigerians | [10:23] |
| asciilifeform: | takes a spell. | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | "she can't accuse me of being uncomfortable...." | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, thinking about it, utterly gotta add the "lxs ninxs" stupid on the list. there's nothign quite like sexually neglected women gathering together coming up with "pearls of wisdoms of how world IS". | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | "humanism", "world peace", etcetera. | [10:26] |
| asciilifeform: | that's 'decenii de intelept cuvint!'-particle, neh. | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, that was very much the male backpatting thing, http://trilema.com/2016/cat-vorg-adnotated/ http://trilema.com/2013/valiant-prince-mp-explores-the-mother-of-all-echo-chambers-a-saga-of-our-times/ etc. | [10:27] |
| asciilifeform: | 'male backpatting' sounds like contradiction in terms | [10:28] |
| asciilifeform: | 'backpatter' willingly places 'him'self in the 'ninxs' terrarium | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838630 << this thing. imo irreducibly different from the http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/#selection-35.1-35.117 | [10:29] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-08-01 03:07 douchebag: Also the security firm I'm working on is expected to pull at least a half million dollars by december | [10:29] |
| asciilifeform: | if there's a diff b/w these 2 hypothetically distinct particles, asciilifeform's cyclotron is not equal to determining it | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | does it distinguish algae from saprophites ? because that's the core, imo. female version is "our cunts are blessed with producing good output" whereas male version is "this enchanted horse really is enchanted and wil ltake us there" | [10:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | rapunzel sits and waits in castle, yes ? while fat-frumos sits and waits on horse's back, for horse to figure shit out. | [10:30] |
| asciilifeform: | the douchebag type isn't, contrary to appearances, believer in enchanted horse. but in his enchanted arse, which is to drive ordinary horse across oceans | [10:31] |
| asciilifeform: | somehow | [10:31] |
| asciilifeform: | so not so distinct from 'magic cunt' believer | [10:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | i do not think so. | [10:31] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun recall douchebag in particular mentioning a wunderwaffe that would explain the 'surely will rake in the dough' bravado | [10:33] |
| asciilifeform: | so had to assume -- magical arse | [10:33] |
| * asciilifeform | guilty, when younger, of 'magic horse' | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | i wonder how we'd build the diffraction experiment for this matter. | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i do see your line as quite persuasive and well supported, "modernity essentially consists of feminization of the male in the sense of getting boys to believe their brains are a sort of cunts" | [10:35] |
| asciilifeform: | ( somewhat orthogonally, his given figure, 'half mil by december', is not quite 'rake in', but a pretty threadbare existence , in current-day usa, even for small firm with 3 d00dz and an accountant , not even speaking of actual industry ) | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | with all that entails, "creativity" and no idea what bravery is and so on. | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform the basic of the usg chumpatron is this precise process, "very little" -> "very much", ie, he went from 1 beer money to 50`000 beer money. this is growth, yes ? | [10:36] |
| asciilifeform: | this is the classical 'infinite icecream' dream of the 5yo. | [10:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile he also went from 2x to 20x+1, and from voice here to no voice here, but he... "doesn't know how to evaluate that loss" | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | and if he doesn't know how to evaluate it therefore it doesn't really exist, and so on. | [10:37] |
| asciilifeform: | the old tales where d00d sells soul, see also. | [10:37] |
| asciilifeform: | illustration of same principle. | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | so this is the other-side use of the real estate racket. yes, 500k is ~0, judged eg by the count of lawyers breaking down his doors and windows to please generously find employment and a crumb of income in any conditions. | [10:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | but on the other hand, 500k is > his pocket money. | [10:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | i've seen tons of these "i make 70k a year but i actually can't afford a $50 pair of shoes" sorts. | [10:38] |
| asciilifeform: | this dynamic is often seen in the blather of orcs, esp. on ru side , masturbating over 'american salaries', conveniently glossing over american rents etc | [10:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | hence the discussion of income in % terms and all that. but, the logs are already written. | [10:39] |
| asciilifeform: | the sv threads in particular. | [10:39] |
| * mircea_popescu | shall bbl! | [10:39] |
| asciilifeform: | laters | [10:40] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Caffinating, will head over to the DC in a bit | [11:01] |
| lobbesbot: | BingoBoingo: Sent 41 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to move the usb drive into RK 'C' and power up, but ping me when setting out to dc, i want to test it before you go back | [11:01] |
| deedbot: | http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/07a-copenhagen.html << The Tar Pit - Kbenhavn | [11:37] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Walking over now | [12:27] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: plox to ping me when plugged in ( but still in dc, wait 5min at least ) | [12:27] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Aite | [12:29] |
| asciilifeform: | in other noose, http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2018-8-8 << ty ben_vulpes ! | [12:52] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Drive is moved | [12:55] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: plz standby | [12:55] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Standing by. Now this is a Cuntoo image? | [12:55] |
| asciilifeform: | nope, classical (with small changes) | [12:55] |
| asciilifeform: | i'ma keep arm-cuntoo experimentation to own desk for nao | [12:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: If this passes your tests, would you mind reimaging my drive with this updated OS | [12:56] |
| asciilifeform: | sure | [12:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | tyvm | [12:57] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: is rk-c plugged in ? it dun ping | [12:57] |
| asciilifeform: | nm typo | [12:57] |
| asciilifeform: | 1s | [12:57] |
| asciilifeform: | ok worx | [12:57] |
| BingoBoingo: | Yeah, plugged it in before pinging | [12:58] |
| BingoBoingo: | Aite, going to pull my drive and offer it to Dulap | [12:58] |
| asciilifeform: | notyet | [12:58] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: i'ma test new kernel today, then tomorrow will ask BingoBoingo to power down rk-c and put disk in dulap to i can snap new master img, then it will go into service ( and can reimage BingoBoingo also ) . | [12:58] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: ok to leave dc nao, unless you have other items queued | [13:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | Aite, going to just leave my RC powered down then | [13:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | Returning to Buttbox | [13:00] |
| asciilifeform: | ok | [13:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | In other happy news, ben_vulpes may appreciate... Rodrigo is no longer with Latecho | [13:01] |
| asciilifeform: | did i meet this one ? | [13:01] |
| ben_vulpes: | hah | [13:02] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile, in the heathen circus, https://archive.is/Q85Dn + https://archive.is/U7KF9 >> 'On 31st July 2018 a security researcher identified a GitHub personal access token with recently elevated scopes was leaked from Homebrew’s Jenkins that gave them access to git push on Homebrew/brew and Homebrew/homebrew-core...' | [13:04] |
| asciilifeform: | 'The security researcher also recommended we consider using GPG signing for Homebrew/homebrew-core. The Homebrew project leadership committee took a vote on this and it was rejected non-unanimously due to workflow concerns.' | [13:04] |
| asciilifeform: | ( context, for folx innocent of crappleism : 'homebrew' is a portage-like system for retrofitting a little sanity to crapple box, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836518 ) | [13:08] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-07-19 19:08 phf: macports or homebrew which are portage versions for apple. at least macports can still be used to build xquartz from scratch. i've not personally tried that in a long time, so it's possible that there's serious wrecker situation there. | [13:08] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and elsewhere, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752974 ) | [13:09] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-12-18 01:25 phf: meanwhile, homebrew, the mac os x package manager, finally pulled the final bate and switch. "build from source" option is now marked as "unsupported" (!!!) in the man pages, everything's being pulled using precompiled archives. building a non-trivial set of packages from source fails along the way with clearly misconfigured formulas. this is possibly of interest only to ben_vulpes (?) | [13:09] |
| asciilifeform: | there's 2 or 3 of these , that i know of | [13:09] |
| ben_vulpes: | macports is the portagealike, homebrew is ~canonical apt-get | [13:12] |
| asciilifeform: | ah | [13:12] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc 'macports' at least has option of gpg. | [13:13] |
| asciilifeform: | ( fat lotta good it does, sans wot, but it's there ) | [13:13] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: This one you did not meet. | [13:30] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: what was remarkable about him ? | [13:31] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: He is the one that was involved in generally being a liability to Latecho's business. ben_vulpes met him | [13:32] |
| ben_vulpes: | inserter-between-in-chief | [13:32] |
| BingoBoingo: | Tended to try to make every request a negotiation | [13:33] |
| BingoBoingo: | Was a star of the February drama | [13:33] |
| asciilifeform: | ah lol | [13:46] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-08#1840391 << you're confusing homebrew with fink (which i believe is now mostly dead). homebrew is closer to gentoo's portage: it's written from scratch in ruby and so are the port descriptions | [14:33] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-08-08 17:12 ben_vulpes: macports is the portagealike, homebrew is ~canonical apt-get | [14:33] |
| phf: | fink is ~~2000 and is a fork of dpkg/apt, macports (darwinports) ~~2002 are BSD style ports, and homebrew ~~2010 is full ruby | [14:36] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: i've only ever had occasion to use 'fink' and 'macports' , afaik 'homebrew' is ~pure fungus | [14:37] |
| phf: | i don't know what's the basis for that assessment, outside of my occasional rants: homebrew is also the only useful one of the three, i.e. you can use it to provision a standard issue corporate macbook pro into doing useful thing | [14:40] |
| asciilifeform: | last i tried, it was specifically 'macports' that was only 1 that had 100% of the necessary ports. but 'mileage may vary' sure. | [14:41] |
| phf: | fink has been dead for a decade at this point, and macports is essentially poorly maintained pkgsrc | [14:41] |
| asciilifeform: | given how crapple world rolls, i expect very soon the ruby liquishit will be the only 1 remaining | [14:42] |
| phf: | well, my point is that we're already dealing with a closed source proprietary system, but if a log reader decides to provision a mac for whatever innocent purposes, choosing fink or macports will result in pointless pain | [14:43] |
| asciilifeform: | here i must disagree, asciilifeform as recently as 2016 set up a crapple with full complement of unixlike tools, incl gnat, via 'macports' | [14:44] |
| asciilifeform: | with ~0 pain | [14:44] |
| asciilifeform: | even exotica, e.g. 'gnuradio', builds. | [14:44] |
| phf: | that is fine, log readers can try both methods, i've stated my warnings. | [14:45] |
| asciilifeform: | ideally log reader will find way to avoid contact with crapple | [14:45] |
| asciilifeform: | at this point it is not so unlike winblowz , i.e. if yer getting srs dough for putting on the bathyscaphe and descending into sewer, then yes, descend, but prolly won't feel like telling people about it, and will try to forget at end of the day | [14:47] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2018/08/pentagon-bombs-market-for-fitness-trackers-with-ban/ << Qntra - Pentagon Bombs Market For Fitness Trackers With Ban | [14:50] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: fwiw ( and possibly i mentioned this in the past ) asciilifeform works with... undocumented corners of microshitiana , for his bread. ( would liek to stop, but i dun see it happening any time soon . ) but i wouldn't wish it on other people, or recommend it as a 'promising career' etc. | [14:56] |
| asciilifeform: | observe that you won't find asciilifeform posting tips an' tricks re winblowz terraforming. or anything re subj. the Right Thing to do with winblowz, is to flush it down toilet, and walk away. | [14:58] |
| asciilifeform: | ( similarly i observe that, e.g., phf , or ben_vulpes , do not post re ruby or whatever horror they're currently mired in in the saeculum, for what i suspect is same reason ) | [14:59] |
| mod6: | <+asciilifeform> ok worx << all finished with the re-image then? | [17:24] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: will be tonight, after which there will remain http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-08#1840376 | [17:27] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-08-08 16:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma test new kernel today, then tomorrow will ask BingoBoingo to power down rk-c and put disk in dulap to i can snap new master img, then it will go into service ( and can reimage BingoBoingo also ) . | [17:27] |
| mod6: | ah, sorry, overlooked that. thanks asciilifeform | [17:27] |
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