Forum logs for 07 Sep 2017
| deedbot: | deeds online | [00:46] |
| trinque: | ^ did a bit of maintenance node back online | [00:52] |
| * trinque | offline | [00:53] |
| mod6: | thanks for the update | [01:00] |
| ben_vulpes: | i'll believe it when i see it: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-blockchain-insurance-marine/ey-teams-up-with-maersk-microsoft-on-blockchain-based-marine-insurance-idUSKCN1BG3B6 | [01:55] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-9-2#197795 << moving, building new command post over the next two weeks should return to 'contributing member of society' status within the month | [01:56] |
| mimisbrunnr: | Logged on 2017-09-02 16:41 mircea_popescu: one major point is that other than mpfhf which has been well implemented thanks to peterl, sina and ben_vulpes (and to some degree researched -- speaking of which, still cooking ben_vulpes ?), there's keccak which HASNT yet been implemented much and we really could use a fixed-block hash function that's any good. | [01:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | no shit, rothbard was here ? | [02:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform a correct, if not novel idea, near-equilibrium and far-equilibrium physics. | [02:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, physics is only broke in the us, and mostly because us is broke. euro physics is doing fine, spending about the entire us welfare budget on things like large lasers, ciclotrons and the like. | [02:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | and let's not talk of small yellow men from far away. | [02:09] |
| ben_vulpes: | feats of aviation: https://twitter.com/NOAA_HurrHunter/status/905184657431506945 | [02:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | so is that vomit mccain dead yet ? or still clinging to a world that really has no place for him ? | [02:17] |
| BingoBoingo: | Not yet | [02:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | inept dork, can't even die at a normal pace. everything with him was slow. | [02:18] |
| BingoBoingo: | Well, no different on that front than Sumner Redstone et al | [02:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | one of the foremost things 2017 us has to be ashamed of, alongside pantsuited hilarity and friends. | [02:20] |
| trinque: | he'll hang on long enough to fuck up the great again's reduction of the passthrough rate to 15% | [02:21] |
| trinque: | can't have anything smaller than walmart employing people | [02:21] |
| ben_vulpes: | oh ffs trinque that's hate speech | [02:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | they should name a vomitorium after him. | [02:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | and speaking of "holy shit can you imagine how that smells", http://68.media.tumblr.com/ef8d57472ee7fe4e7d2c75827aef5324/tumblr_nvtsc6G38p1u2v3gso1_400.gif | [02:21] |
| trinque: | squeeeeak | [02:24] |
| trinque: | hey john mccain! high five! | [02:24] |
| * trinque | to bed | [02:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | on da flip side! | [02:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode << in otheer lulz, freenode lost 20% of its channels late june 2017. THAT is however not something they feel the need to discuss at all, much like the report that they were going to publish coupla years ago about the nsa infiltrated servers they turned up. | [02:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | good thing they keep whining about all the inept consensus events tho, THAT is important. | [02:36] |
| BingoBoingo: | !~ticker --market all | [02:59] |
| jhvh1: | BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4512.49, vol: 15232.40048958 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4513.0, vol: 34325.56125057 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4409.2146, vol: 15366.40700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4594.5, vol: 4515.8226671 | Volume-weighted last average: 4495.22156868 | [02:59] |
| BingoBoingo: | It's amazing how much more stable this volatility keeps getting | [03:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | wait, i thought it was dropping. what'd i miss. | [03:01] |
| BingoBoingo: | Dropping and rebounding, and what was the high price in 2012? | [03:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1cent! | [03:03] |
| BingoBoingo: | Nah that was the median 2010 price or something. | [03:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | check out alf made a little nsa banner thing! http://www.loper-os.org/snsa_small.jpg | [03:17] |
| BingoBoingo: | lol, I have a physical one of those! | [03:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe | [03:20] |
| mod6: | mornin | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | say phf ! since you're in moscow, what's the bdsm scene like ? do they have a club ? mind doing a field report ? | [10:50] |
| asciilifeform: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-07-sep-2017#2336358 << eu is ever busy stringtheorizing and expensively cyclotroning, meanwhile avoiding any risk of actual relevance, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658483 . | [11:45] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-07 06:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, physics is only broke in the us, and mostly because us is broke. euro physics is doing fine, spending about the entire us welfare budget on things like large lasers, ciclotrons and the like. | [11:45] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-18 18:46 asciilifeform: whereas ACTUALLY promising, and wholly noncrackpotterious direction of particle physics -- induced beta decay -- is funded to the princely sum of.. | [11:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm entirely unsure why these two items (string theory high energy particles) are so strictly welded together in your head. | [11:45] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501208 << bigmachinephysicsisascam thread , because asciilifeform is lazy | [11:45] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-07-11 16:22 asciilifeform: 'So basically the LIGO team is admitting to publishing a manipulated final result and no real exact means for anyone outside of the LIGO project to duplicate it. It also appears the team tried to bolster and perhaps even justify their reporting of this highly questionable second event by including a third one they had previously dismissed.' | [11:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | nevertheless, if i were allocating fundamental research funds, i'd spend most of it on high energy particle research. | [11:46] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: 'particle zoo' curation is what the post-war twits with 0 imagination have busied themselves with. | [11:46] |
| asciilifeform: | there's research, and there's stamp collecting. | [11:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | high energy is definitionally research. | [11:46] |
| asciilifeform: | the sad thing is that money pretty much begs itself to be spent on fancy machines. because neither mircea_popescu nor i nor anybody else could transform arbitrarily large bag of money, into another schrodinger. | [11:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | understand something : the criterion for FUNDAMENTAL research is not "whether it's promising", in any sense or packaging. that is the criterion for INDUSTRIAL research, and let industry fucking do it. | [11:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | the criterion for fundamental research is "was it ever done before", and high energy particles meet it out of the gate. ~nothing else does. | [11:48] |
| asciilifeform: | and fwiw the 1 serious open question i know of , that could be answered with costly machine -- is the al schwartz eotvos test. pretty low energy, at that. | [11:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | so let apple do that. | [11:48] |
| asciilifeform: | lol | [11:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | they'rte the ones whining for relevancy. why the fuck did zuckershithead spend 100bn on "instagram" or w/e random spamsite with "here's a number we printed on a webpage and we labeled it USERS!!!" instead ? | [11:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | shoulda done the test, actually mattered irl. | [11:49] |
| asciilifeform: | these folx specifically dun want their 'relevance' anchored on anything physical, tho | [11:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | a well. | [11:49] |
| asciilifeform: | because physical means 'not fully on their own terms' or how did it go | [11:49] |
| asciilifeform: | there was a tlp piece iirc re subj. | [11:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | this still doesn't change the categories. it is not the business of government to pick up the slack of facebook being intellectually bankrupt. | [11:49] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-22#764444 << see also ye old mrmold's take on subj | [11:50] |
| a111: | Logged on 2014-07-22 22:40 asciilifeform: carnegie mellon << 'Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office. But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scientific Bondo, sanded to perfecti | [11:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | except for the part where "republic can never exist, socialism and government===society is all there is". | [11:51] |
| asciilifeform: | d00d very clearly nostalgiated for a pre-lincoln usa , but had very fragmentary picture of it | [11:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | indeed. | [11:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | or else, guy very well preyed on the substantial, idiotic naivite of esl tards who had such nostalgy, and also very gullible. | [11:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | useful to implant "republic can never exist, socialism and government===society is all there is" in their stupid fucking heads, then they'll look at trilema and "form their own opinions" on the side. | [11:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | but anyway, i think i said it before. and if i didn't, here it is again : curtis yarvin may be stupid, or else he may be evil, but in either case he's done more to ruin his country than quisling did to ruin his. | [11:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | let god judge his internal state, i care little past the deeds. | [11:55] |
| asciilifeform: | gullible << noshit.jpg | [12:08] |
| asciilifeform: | upstack re physicists : i could've sworn we had the unifications thread | [12:08] |
| asciilifeform: | i find it strange that mircea_popescu forgives the pseudophysicists the same sins that he correctly unforgives the pseudocryptographers | [12:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | the former is physics, the latter is math. the building of items THAT NEVER BEFORE EXISTED is a defensible activity to a degree most others (spawning, doing art, including shakespeare, etcetera) are not. | [12:09] |
| asciilifeform: | namely, 1) their artfully dodging the front lines , of the actually relevant problems known in their time 2) piling up megatonne upon megatonne of mathemasturbatory jizzrag , instead of doing their duty in going for maxwellian parsimony until last drop of blood | [12:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | you understand, it's not that "this is a new model of spoon, we had spoons before but this is just a different take". | [12:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | these are, literally, items that never before existed in the strictest categorical sense. | [12:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform there's, again, no obligation to meaning for fundamental research. that is still industrial research you're thinking of. | [12:10] |
| asciilifeform: | theoretically every turd that comes out of a pig is also 'new object, never before existed' | [12:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | not at all. | [12:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | turd, like all others. whereas the first petawatt laser IS, as a factual matter, the first such laser ever built. for all we know -- every built anywhere in the universe. | [12:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | it increases by one the length of the list of items god must maintain. | [12:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | there can be no further accomplishment than this, in the sense of fundamental research. | [12:12] |
| asciilifeform: | megalaser, without the parsimonizing of the output into physical law, is a pyramid. | [12:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | why do you think that description you're trying to add to it can possibly be made to stick ? | [12:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | you've not spittle sufficiently sticky for it. | [12:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | in any case -- it is not the job of columb to make sense of the new world. | [12:14] |
| asciilifeform: | !!up PeterL | [12:26] |
| deedbot: | PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. | [12:26] |
| PeterL: | hi all | [12:26] |
| PeterL: | http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CPPkN/?raw=true << ada keccak, criticism welcome | [12:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey. | [12:26] |
| asciilifeform: | neato PeterL | [12:27] |
| shinohai: | Nifty PeterL | [12:27] |
| * asciilifeform | will read | [12:28] |
| PeterL: | keep in mind I am just learning ada as I do this, I feel like there might be a more efficient way to do some of the things (like the type conversions) | [12:29] |
| asciilifeform: | PeterL: 1 nitpick so far : you can't presume the bitness of 'Natural' | [12:29] |
| PeterL: | why not? | [12:29] |
| asciilifeform: | PeterL: if you have constants with explicit bitness, you gotta use, e.g., Unsigned_64 | [12:30] |
| asciilifeform: | or at least mod 2**64 | [12:30] |
| PeterL: | wait, bitness for which type? | [12:30] |
| asciilifeform: | type Round_Constants is array(Natural range 1 .. 24) of Lane | [12:30] |
| PeterL: | Lane is a mod 2**64 type | [12:31] |
| asciilifeform: | oh hm nm then | [12:31] |
| asciilifeform: | i'ma read whole thing before emitting any moar nonsense | [12:31] |
| PeterL: | ok, I will look forward to your comments! | [12:31] |
| asciilifeform: | PeterL: out of curiosity, how didja test this item ? | [12:32] |
| trinque: | hey PeterL, mind getting a blog together and putting this on it? | [12:32] |
| trinque: | it'll end up lost to the sands of wotpaste | [12:32] |
| PeterL: | well, my next step was going to be actual testing, right now I just got it to not have any compile errors! :) | [12:32] |
| PeterL: | just thought you might be interested in seeing the progress | [12:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | i second the blog idea. PeterL you have a healthy output phi, you should not leave it at the mercy of archive-bot-saved-a-paste. | [12:34] |
| PeterL: | ok, I'll look into getting something set up | [12:34] |
| shinohai: | If you need copy of mp-wp PeterL I can accomodate | [12:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | modesty is good and well, as an solipsitic limit for the self. it can not stand against others' telling you to make it. | [12:34] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711138 << a yea i put up flag on my human www. it bringeth traffic, believe or not ( to what end -- is other q entirely ) | [12:38] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-07 07:17 mircea_popescu: check out alf made a little nsa banner thing! http://www.loper-os.org/snsa_small.jpg | [12:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty cool. | [12:39] |
| asciilifeform: | ( if somebody wants to link , and use the flag -- go ahead. though we dun have a spamatronic money-sharing scheme of any sort . ) | [12:40] |
| shinohai: | Defeat the NSA with this ONE COOL TRICK <<< click here | [12:41] |
| asciilifeform: | lol | [12:41] |
| asciilifeform: | '10 things obummer dun want you to know' | [12:41] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/children-love-to-watch-their-parents-get-into-serious-arguments-because-theyll-hear-for-the-first-time-of-things-they-never-could-have-guessed-ever-existed/ << Trilema - Children love to watch their parents get into serious arguments because they'll hear for the first time of things they never could have guessed ever existed | [13:18] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: tense -> terse ?? | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, tense. | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | textual tension is a measure of relation complexity per unit space. | [13:32] |
| asciilifeform: | lolbondstrain | [13:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | right | [13:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | very direct measure of the power of a language -- weak languages only have van der waals links and thereby can't support complexity such as life | [13:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | you need stronger interactions for that. | [13:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | which is why english is ~soup. unless fortified with a lot of latin / middle french, shakespeare style. | [13:33] |
| * asciilifeform | pictures a future tmsr switch to something resembling medieval latin | [13:33] |
| asciilifeform: | commercial pidgins based on language of long-forgotten island only goes so far... | [13:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | a fine example in that very same paragraph : "I don't expect I've done" is very much different from the "plain english" "equivalent" "I don't think I've done" : as there is no relation between expectation and reality, saying "i don't expect i've done" is a perfectly fine sendoff on a masterpiece. not same in the case of the latter | [13:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | which brings back the sad fact of the matter : there's no such thing as a weak language only imbecile speakers | [13:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | (who are borne out of the interaction between their stupid mothers and a weak language) | [13:36] |
| asciilifeform: | who then proceed to make yet-weaker lang etc | [13:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile textual tension is very much related to anti-synonymy (via http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587276 ) and to translation-difficulty as a scalar, via the mediation of something akin to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697164 : "the cardinality of the set of objects that fit the bill divided by the cardinality of the set of objects summoned". | [13:40] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so. | [13:40] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-08-11 18:37 mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down. | [13:40] |
| asciilifeform: | orthogonality | [13:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | very much throwback to the problem of "man is that animal with flat nails" / "here's a chicken" issue | [13:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform not really, because there's no such thing as orthogonality in natural language. that's a property of a correctly constructed theorem ("let it have no overlapping lemmas") and therefore relevant in computing. | [13:41] |
| asciilifeform: | just because not constructed intentionally, dun mean it aint there | [13:41] |
| asciilifeform: | !#s so that the room will be empty | [13:42] |
| a111: | 1 result for "so that the room will be empty", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=so%20that%20the%20room%20will%20be%20empty | [13:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | language as used by humans is actually predicated on the impossibility of orthogonality. | [13:42] |
| asciilifeform: | expand? | [13:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | eh wtf, we don't have the koans in the logs now ?! | [13:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform give me an example of two items of language that are orthogonal. | [13:42] |
| asciilifeform: | 'up' 'down' 'left' 'right' 'yes' 'no' ?? | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | absolutely not. they're eminently codependent. | [13:43] |
| asciilifeform: | well up is orthogonal to left!11! | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | it is not. | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | !#s progress | [13:43] |
| a111: | 685 results for "progress", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=progress | [13:43] |
| asciilifeform: | if that ain't orthogonal i have nfi what and where is | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | ^ up-and-left = progress. | [13:44] |
| asciilifeform: | is bottom-and-right = purple ? | [13:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is unclear. | [13:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i think the point transpires, if metaphorically : the fundamental reason language even exists in any usable, useful form is the rejection of orthogonality as a possibility. | [13:45] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun get at all how. but possibly requires moar lsd. | [13:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | how what you mean ? | [13:46] |
| asciilifeform: | where does 'rejection of orthogonality as a possibility' come out of | [13:46] |
| asciilifeform: | why needed for 'language in any usable form' | [13:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | note that i'm not saying ~your notion~ of up and left can't be orthogonal. of course they can be, in fact they'd better be. but the WORDS thatr denote them, can't be, at least not while staying words. | [13:46] |
| asciilifeform: | let's suppose the contrary. then wat. | [13:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | then we find it impossible to talk to strangers as the first symptom. | [13:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | also, we're stuck getting lucky with women, because we can't meaningfully talk to them BEFORE we actually can talk to them. | [13:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in short -- fucking up this fundament of language convicts one to solipsistic solitude. | [13:47] |
| asciilifeform: | supposition was re language where all of the parts are orthogonal rather than 'every man in own solipsist hell' | [13:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | a language where ALL parts are orthogonal is entirely the phone book, unable to mean anything. i thought the contention was language where SOME parts are orthogonal. | [13:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | the only case where this happens is when there's in fact two language. such as in polygotism, or else argot-mainstream disjunctions. THERE you can have orthogonality in language. | [13:49] |
| asciilifeform: | where maximum practical parts orthogonal. | [13:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, the gifter's grift is != the da's grift. | [13:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform ah, that is always the case, with that max = 0. | [13:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | but yes, this provides on the side an excellent explanation in this context's terminology of why man must learn languages : it is the ONLY way to have orthogonality in natural speech. | [13:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | and romanian has ESPECIALLY a problem with orthogonality (as a necessary drawback of its insane bond power), which is why and wherefore it ends up thinking all languages are just badly spelled romanian. | [13:50] |
| asciilifeform: | i thought they were mutilated latin lol | [13:51] |
| trinque: | tangentially, but I was taken aback by the beauty the moment I realized that the consonant sound in "ad" was closer to me than the one in "ab". | [13:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think latin-gone-wild may be more on the point. sort-of like that good jewess / future balabusta of http://trilema.com/2016/black-book/ trying to get as much nazi/anything cock as possible. | [13:52] |
| trinque: | a wandering barbarian happens upon a temple kind of moment | [13:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | trinque you are actually gaining here! congrats! | [13:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | your studies are actually delivering. | [13:53] |
| asciilifeform: | asciilifeform has been on a ro kick lately and continuously lols over germanicisms/slavicisms/etc | [13:53] |
| trinque: | slowly, keeping at it. | [13:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform oya. really, vulgar latin on a "butter me up and roll me in dicks like they're nonpareils" kick. | [13:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | come to think of it, a fine answer to "what the fuck was elliot's problem" could correctly be "he used orthogonal language". | [14:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | it wouldn't mean anything to elliot himself, or to the blonde girls that "didn't give him a chance", but it'd nevertheless be a perfectly correct description of the situation they found themselves in, unwillingly the lot. | [14:05] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i suspect that we dun have same def of the word | [14:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | let's have it ? | [14:06] |
| asciilifeform: | what asciilifeform refers to as 'nonorthogonal', is seen in e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588406 thread | [14:06] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-12-22 17:45 asciilifeform: phf: pray tell : what does having 'elt' AND 'nth' around, facilitate ? | [14:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | "two items are orthogonal if either can stand without the other". | [14:06] |
| asciilifeform: | ( re mechanical langs, but same concept there ) | [14:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | i much prefer this categorical expression of the notion to the copacetic "statistically independent variates" approach. | [14:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | now, forcing a point : if complex numbers are notated as a + bi, then it is a correct approach to describe a sum as x (= a + a') + y (=b + b') i rather than x' (= q + p i + r + t i) + y' (=q' + p' i + r' + t' i). the former notation would be a normatively correctly stated theorem (elements are orthogonal) whereas the latter would, while still equivalent, nevertheless be normatively incorrect (it mixes up the lemmas!). | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | and same throughout all math : everything must be orthogonal, at all times, all the time. | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | you could make soup out of a bag in which there's peas mixed with carrots in some proportion, and another bag in which there's pasta and some chicken, and a third bag where there's more chicken and some celery. it'd still come out soup. nevertheless, the CORRECT way to make soup, arbitrarily, is by using a bag in which there's peas and nothing else and a different bag in which there's chicken and nothing else, and so follow | [14:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | ing. | [14:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's no good reason for this, other than our being white men, which is to say the source of intellectual anyhing in this world. | [14:14] |
| asciilifeform: | 'at all times' never happens in practice ( consider how maxwell's equations went from 20+ to 4 ) | [14:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | but -- language doesn't work this way. the reason the bags aka words are useful AT ALL is that there's a little of each and every other bag in each and every single bag. | [14:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform but the ideal stays the ideal. | [14:14] |
| asciilifeform: | sure does | [14:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | the important point being -- that it's an ideal for math, and therefore programming, which includes cooking. NOT of language. | [14:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711284 << "abject" but "adjunct". it even keeps right on giving, see. | [14:19] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-07 17:52 trinque: tangentially, but I was taken aback by the beauty the moment I realized that the consonant sound in "ad" was closer to me than the one in "ab". | [14:19] |
| asciilifeform: | ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-28#1254224 << even older thread where asciilifeform gives example of what means by 'orthogonality' ) | [14:21] |
| a111: | Logged on 2015-08-28 03:24 asciilifeform: trinque: ... the right fit of concepts << sometimes called 'orthogonality' | [14:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | in those terms : do you understand that the difference between computer language and human language is that the correctness of expression (shortest, complete form) can be proven in the former, and can never be considered in the latter ? | [14:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | all math things have a closed form, whether we know it or not. | [14:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | no language thing does, or could. | [14:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | (for the doubting student : prove that "for sale: baby shoes, never worn." is the shortest english novel.) | [14:25] |
| asciilifeform: | y'cant prove statements with unbounds | [14:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | orly. lol. | [14:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | (fwiw, my estimation of hemigway is more driven by the above snippet than by whatever nonsense half-ass anti-cunt tracts he penned. really, some woman fucked her husband's hunter trainer, o woes ? pish.) | [14:30] |
| * asciilifeform | not a fan | [14:30] |
| asciilifeform: | afaik only perma-notable thing hemingway did, was to breed the polydactyl cat | [14:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's not so much to choose from in the colonies. if you throw him out what's left. | [14:30] |
| asciilifeform: | beast can turn door knobs. | [14:30] |
| mod6: | wat | [14:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | sup mod6 | [14:31] |
| mod6: | hai | [14:31] |
| mod6: | great books from the man imho | [14:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | certainly not many english writers can hold a candle to him, that much is out of contention. | [14:33] |
| * mircea_popescu | also appreciates the terseness as a stylistical choice. in english, it is at worst a forced mistake, by the medium, and in general a good idea. | [14:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, in this context galois theory is chiefly preoccupied with distinguishing math-language from math-proper. | [14:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | (quick likbez : evariste galois among a whole school of northern french/swiss 19th century mathematicians wished to know why there's 5th degree polynomials which don't admit closed form expression. this seemed, and still seems, intuitively impermissible in some sense. the proof of the abel-rufini theorem might be interesting here. nevertheless, other than the practical use of bridging field and group theory, allowing some inc | [14:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | onveniently-abstract items to be represented in more intuitively approachable forms, the principal point of modern galois theory is to prove that certain fields admit no closed-form solution, and in a very narrow sense are not properly speaking math. or rather -- that our current notations share aspects of roman numerals most visible in those particular points.) | [14:41] |
| shinohai: | Re: Hemingway .... "The Old Man and the Sea" and "For Whom the Bell Tolls" are two of my favourite books, coincidentally | [15:04] |
| shinohai: | (Old Man and Sea being, for all practical purposes, a "short story") | [15:04] |
| mod6: | Didja like "A Farewell to Arms" ? | [15:21] |
| BingoBoingo: | !~ticker --market all | [15:49] |
| jhvh1: | BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4615.43, vol: 9500.40791875 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4612.0, vol: 24911.09931398 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4394.7, vol: 11206.42720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4669.9, vol: 3831.01657194 | Volume-weighted last average: 4567.89887495 | [15:49] |
| ben_vulpes: | equifax hacked w2's and more exfiltrated. pins were last 4 of ssn. | [17:12] |
| mod6: | lol | [17:12] |
| BingoBoingo: | lulzy | [17:13] |
| ben_vulpes: | but hey, everyone gets free credit monitoring for another year now? | [17:13] |
| BingoBoingo: | Now I guess this is Again | [17:14] |
| ben_vulpes: | some folks have got to be up to 10 years at this point | [17:15] |
| asciilifeform: | Run Moar Winblowz Keep Moar Centralized Dossiers On Serfs | [17:16] |
| asciilifeform: | Grant Moar Konsoomer Credit To Anyone Who Knows PostageAddr and Slavenumber | [17:16] |
| ben_vulpes: | hey, adp's monthly numbers unquestionably higher quality than bls 'nfp' gotta prop the analytics pipeline | [17:17] |
| ben_vulpes: | at least until 'the real numbers' start to suck | [17:17] |
| asciilifeform: | ( does anybody else find it interesting that a mortgage in usa is issued with simple paper application, not involving, e.g., vials of dna sample given in front of seven witnesses etc ) | [17:17] |
| ben_vulpes: | not in the slightest it's just as stupid as the rest of the system. why expect brilliance in any one part? | [17:18] |
| mats: | https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/03/access-usb-devices-on-the-web this is now live in chrome 61 | [17:20] |
| BingoBoingo: | From deep in the lulzmines: "The Man-Not is a theoretical starting point that tries to capture the history of black males being killed, mutilated and raped beyond simply saying it is racism that causes this violence History has shown black males are eroticized in an anti-black world. Their genitalia has been imagined to be at odds with the endogamy of the white races of America and Europe, so our attempts to study black males must ta | [17:24] |
| BingoBoingo: | ke into account this specific sexual targeting, be it phobic as in the case of the rapist or philic insofar as black males are imagined to be sexually insatiable. This is what black male studies scholars mean by anti-black or racist misandry, or the cumulative assertions of black male inferiority due to errant psychologies of lack, dispositions of deviance or hyperpersonality traits (e.g., hypersexuality, hypermasculinity, etc.), which r | [17:24] |
| BingoBoingo: | ationalize the criminalization, phobias and sanctioning of black male life." | [17:24] |
| BingoBoingo: | !!up fromloper | [17:33] |
| deedbot: | fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. | [17:33] |
| ben_vulpes: | i see you racist misandry and raise you a racist sandwich: "Applying critical analysis to food is essential to understanding and framing 'big picture' ideas about white supremacist capitalist heteropatriarchy." | [17:33] |
| BingoBoingo: | Quiero un empardedado enorme | [17:34] |
| BingoBoingo: | ben_vulpes: Where did you find that? | [17:34] |
| fromloper: | Why hasn't this happened to bcrash yet? http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#selection-73.3-79.82 | [17:35] |
| ben_vulpes: | https://affectconf.com/schedule/#juan | [17:35] |
| ben_vulpes: | featuring other gems eg 'Affect ("effect") ..." | [17:36] |
| ben_vulpes: | fromloper: did you read the http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-23#188431 thread? | [17:36] |
| mimisbrunnr: | Logged on 2017-08-23 16:58 BingoBoingo: Even with BCH's "Emergency difficulty adjustment" (allegedly drops difficulty after X time without a block found) | [17:36] |
| shinohai: | fromloper: It has iirc .... but there was some sort of "Emergency Difficulty adjustment" they implemented. | [17:37] |
| fromloper: | ben_vulpes no, but I certainly will - thanks! | [17:37] |
| BingoBoingo: | fromloper: It is exactly experiencing the Altcoin woes | [17:37] |
| fromloper: | but in terms of a hashpower attack? | [17:38] |
| BingoBoingo: | Yes | [17:38] |
| ben_vulpes: | fromloper: it's allllll in the logs | [17:39] |
| fromloper: | ben_vulpes I remember having read em now - got it! | [17:39] |
| fromloper: | their difficulty adjustment algo just means the attack oscillates | [17:40] |
| BingoBoingo: | And it's very disruptive, and very cutting to those propping up the bcrash scam | [17:41] |
| fromloper: | looks like it's way past time to fire up one of these scam nodes and sell the stuff | [17:42] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/06/eu-court-rejects-refugee-quota-challenge-hungary-slovakia/ "Politics has raped European law and values" | [17:59] |
| ben_vulpes: | those bussed refugees are going to receive just the most cordial welcome in the ethnically homogeneous states that didn't want them in the first place, i bet | [17:59] |
| shinohai: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711352 <<< This is lulzy "What would this procedure be like without the WebUSB API? .... Scary OS prompts popup and warn you about installing drivers/applications from the Internet." | [18:01] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-07 21:20 mats: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/03/access-usb-devices-on-the-web this is now live in chrome 61 | [18:01] |
| BingoBoingo: | Here's a rather big lol from the wikipedos, on their page for Al Sharpton's social engineering firm: "In 2011, Walgreens announced they would be ending their relationship with Express Scripts, a prescription drug program serving mostly poor individuals that gave them discounted prescriptions.[9] This would have resulted in low-income individuals paying up to 30 percent more for their prescriptions. A coalition of minority groups, led by | [18:02] |
| BingoBoingo: | Reverend Al Sharptons National Action Network, sent letters urging Gregory Wasson, CEO of Walgreens, to reconsider. Groups sending letters were National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, the Congress of Racial Equality, Hispanic Leadership Fund, and others." https://archive.is/MrxS1 | [18:02] |
| BingoBoingo: | Meanwhile from the wikipedos on what Express Scripts is: "Express Scripts Holding Company is an American Fortune 100 company. As of 2017, the company is the 22nd-largest in the United States as well as the largest pharmacy benefit management (PBM) organization in the United States.[1] Express Scripts had 2016 revenues of $100.752 billion.[1]" https://archive.is/LoSSk#selection-363.0-383.3 | [18:02] |
| BingoBoingo: | Why not just call Sharpton's blackmail scam what it is? | [18:03] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/09/pantsuits-attempt-marginalizing-senate-candidate-kid-rock-in-home-town/ << Qntra - Pantsuit's Attempt Marginalizing Senate Candidate Kid Rock In Home Town | [18:14] |
| shinohai: | !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/UPP3l/?raw=true | [18:17] |
| jhvh1: | shinohai: The operation succeeded. | [18:17] |
| BingoBoingo: | ty shinohai | [18:43] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/09/us-serf-recorder-equifax-hacked/ << Qntra - US Serf Recorder Equifax Hacked | [18:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | awww! | [19:28] |
| mod6: | haha Serf Recorder | [19:35] |
| mod6: | how's it goin this evening? | [19:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | shinohai: http://qntra.net/2017/09/us-serf-recorder-equifax-hacked/#comment-109294 | [19:49] |
| shinohai: | Oh shit ben_vulpes .... nice find | [19:49] |
| mod6: | lol indeed | [19:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty lulzy. | [20:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | o look, FIRST! | [20:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711354 << philic my left foot. sexual mutilation is nature's own acceptable-substitute-for-murder. females of most sexuate species engage indulge in response to presentation of subpar males. | [20:06] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-07 21:24 BingoBoingo: ke into account this specific sexual targeting, be it phobic as in the case of the rapist or philic insofar as black males are imagined to be sexually insatiable. This is what black male studies scholars mean by anti-black or racist misandry, or the cumulative assertions of black male inferiority due to errant psychologies of lack, dispositions of deviance or hyperpersonality traits (e.g., hypersexuality, hypermasculinity, etc.), which r | [20:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | black doods simply manage to count as subpar for a larger percent of females than whites. | [20:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | whether she conceptualizes this sexual mutilation as "i hate the man and so i bit off his penis" or "i rly LUV!!1 the man so much i... cut off his penis" is irrelevant. yes the latter is the sort of perversion (in proper terms, cognitive dissonance) "civilised" individuals tend to come up with to explain their own choices to themselves. nevertheless, a cut is a cut, it has no philic component., | [20:08] |
| shinohai: | http://archive.is/6uXGv <<< "having sent nude pictures of herself to him which we can only assume were taken in landscape mode" | [20:08] |
| shinohai: | kek | [20:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahahaha | [20:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | now that's a sick burn. | [20:09] |
| ben_vulpes: | BingoBoingo: "Pantsuit's" -> "Pantsuits" in title of kid rock piece | [20:17] |
| ben_vulpes: | otherwise it reads that their attempt /is/ marginalizing kid rock which omfg fake news | [20:17] |
| * mircea_popescu | is trying to remember who this kid rock is. | [20:33] |
| mod6: | he's the red-neck rocker guy from detroit | [20:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh i see, that one! | [20:35] |
| mod6: | lol | [20:35] |
| ben_vulpes: | as distinct from the white trash rapper | [20:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in human centipede news : spreading -- works! http://68.media.tumblr.com/489ad94e650a752543ea08b1858ec640/tumblr_nse71gpgnN1ux7yk7o1_500.gif | [20:35] |
| whaack: | 'murica pop star http://qntra.net/2017/07/us-entertainer-kid-rock-takes-aim-at-pantsuit-senators-job/ | [20:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh i see | [20:36] |
| mod6: | gifs, i like | [20:36] |
| ben_vulpes: | fictional ethnic subgroup and fictional entertainment genres aside, indistinguishable | [20:37] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711352 << implemented over systemd's 'kernel dbus' nodoubt. | [21:31] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-07 21:20 mats: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/03/access-usb-devices-on-the-web this is now live in chrome 61 | [21:31] |
| trinque: | http://archive.is/yMXe0 << while we're doing these, tls in the linux kernel why not | [21:43] |
| asciilifeform: | lol! | [21:43] |
| BingoBoingo: | <ben_vulpes> otherwise it reads that their attempt /is/ marginalizing kid rock which omfg fake news << AHA, ty | [21:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | OMG that is an adorable trianglepede | [21:58] |
| BingoBoingo: | <ben_vulpes> fictional ethnic subgroup and fictional entertainment genres aside, indistinguishable << Very distinguishable. Kid Rock is all in on The Great Again. Albino rapper with cretinism is wholly owned by pantsuit https://archive.is/NccET | [22:02] |
| BingoBoingo: | http://www.thedailybeast.com/eminems-anti-trump-freestyle-is-as-flaccid-as-trumps-campaign << if archive.is crashes | [22:03] |
| BingoBoingo: | lol, October 19th, 2016: "Do you remember the first time you thought Donald Trumps presidential campaign had hit rock bottom? By now, weve learned that theres no depth that Donald Trump and his team wont sink to. And today, like most days, marks a new low. Because when Eminem thinks that your presidential campaign is in poor taste, you know that youve reached a historically unprecedented political nadir." | [22:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | hurr. | [22:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | really, fat chick with no marketable skills is gonna sit on a pile of empty takeout wrappers and "score" things ? because anybody totally gives a shit how $nobody evaluates $item, according to $nobody at least ? | [22:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | go right ahead and claim "historically unprecedented nadir" every time dude farts, what is it going to do ? he's still not grabbing your cunt, and that because HE DOESN"T WANT TO. | [22:07] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/610182B68C339222E12F58F880A4E9D126248872893144AF7A940D3829034C52 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1721...2167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.65.196.165 (ssh-rsa key from 80.65.196.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (80-65-196-165.ljusnet.se. SE) | [22:11] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/610182B68C339222E12F58F880A4E9D126248872893144AF7A940D3829034C52 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1672...1983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.65.196.165 (ssh-rsa key from 80.65.196.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (80-65-196-165.ljusnet.se. SE) | [22:11] |
| asciilifeform: | http://80.65.196.165 alive btw | [22:12] |
| asciilifeform: | swedish Хрущёвка builder | [22:12] |
| asciilifeform: | ( http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A5%D1%80%D1%83%D1%89%D1%91%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0 << likbez for the innocent ) | [22:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other university educations, http://68.media.tumblr.com/feeb27589f7f952744002f25deb38daa/tumblr_mucmrhdkfl1st9m0oo1_400.gif | [22:15] |
| BingoBoingo: | "I bet vampires don't get grounded. Vampires get to do what they want." - Butters Stotch | [22:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | may have to spell that vampyre for the magic to kick in though. | [22:28] |
| BingoBoingo: | seriousky | [22:30] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/09/bitcoin-network-mining-difficulty-up-3-9-to-new-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Mining Difficulty Up ~3.9% To New All Time High | [22:50] |
| ben_vulpes: | lolk BingoBoingo retracted | [23:42] |
| ben_vulpes: | PeterL: cool stuff! refreshing my memory on keccak tonight | [23:45] |
| asciilifeform: | 'how much wood would a keccak ccak ...' | [23:46] |
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