Forum logs for 07 Jun 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other trilema lulz -- [00:19]
asciilifeform: 'MERCENARIES TO KILL' << english-as-she-is-spoken(tm)(r) lel [00:32]
asciilifeform: incidentally, re 'valve co.', and also elliotisms, didjaknow -- it appears to have been named for... an actual valve. as in, 1 of those nyc-style steam main valves, as big as a desk, it is ceremonially mounted in their house... [00:40]
mircea_popescu: ok, i guess... [00:41]
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's brother once had occasion to go there, and confirmed, it is there, and even oiled, turns.. [00:41]
asciilifeform: afaik they had 2 playable gamez, 'halflife' and 'portal'. [00:41]
asciilifeform: both decade+ vintage , i think, by nao. [00:41]
mircea_popescu: i don't like shooter sims. [00:41]
asciilifeform: 'portal' wasn't quite 'shooter' in usual sense [00:42]
asciilifeform: ( sorta how 'thief' wasnt ) [00:42]
mircea_popescu: a [00:42]
asciilifeform: 'halflife' -- shooter. [00:42]
asciilifeform: in re: those browser gamez -- the 1080 is 'shooting fly with cannon' for these, they'd happily run on e.g. rk (or prolly even 486..) [00:44]
mircea_popescu: yup. [00:46]
mircea_popescu: thing could mine more bitcoin than the damned things are worth. [00:46]
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform's 'i'ma build gamez box!11' adventure from 2y ago, ended very similarly to mircea_popescu's : that box is cold nao an' waiting for when asciilifeform next time needs to route a pcb [00:46]
asciilifeform: or whatever else horsepower-heavy chore [00:46]
mircea_popescu: pretty fucking sad. [00:47]
asciilifeform: verily. [00:47]
mircea_popescu: i can't help remembering the 90s. [00:47]
asciilifeform: 'why the fuck did i just burn 2k dubloon to build box on which nao playing 'amiga' emulator gamez' [00:47]
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't mind owning the hardware. [00:48]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '90s, to asciilifeform , era synonymous with the troo game. [00:48]
mircea_popescu: it's so well made. [00:48]
mircea_popescu: rather spend on this than say "art" [00:48]
asciilifeform: no one ever said 'i wish i did not have this spare iron' lol [00:49]
mircea_popescu: aha [00:49]
* asciilifeform bbl:meats [00:52]
mircea_popescu: nicoleci, hey, make an account on forum and ask the guy whether he's amenable to sell out to us. [07:24]
nicoleci: mircea_popescu, yes, Master [07:26]
BingoBoingo: The aging Lafond met with the family (archived lest it disappear into "print") [15:25]
mircea_popescu: thanks god for our archival service [15:26]
mircea_popescu: (here god stands for lobbes an'... spyked doing it too iirc ?) [15:26]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, thinking moar re this item : the two tests make roughly comparable demand on rng: 3582 * (2048 / 8) byte == 916992 bytes (single 2048 gcd) 3155 * (2048 / 8) == 807680 byte [15:27]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 15:46 asciilifeform: loox like diana_coman also used 2048b primes in test of diana_comantronic system 'A relatively short test run obtained 40 random primes of 2048 bits each in 13274 seconds in total (3.7 hours) meaning on average 331.85 seconds per prime (~6 minutes)' and diana_coman's 'winner' gets 16 shots but caveats, a) we have diff iron [15:27]
asciilifeform: given room temp fg @ 7.5 kByte/s , this is ~119 and ~105 sec. of fg , respectively, in avg case [15:27]
asciilifeform: given that asciilifeform does not buffer fg ( exercise for reader: why not? ) these waits do not happen in parallel with the computation, and by all rights ought to expect that a live-fg test (not yet performed) can be expected to take longer by the above interval, vs. the bottled-entropy test pictured in yest. thrd. [15:28]
asciilifeform: ( btw mircea_popescu in old thread correctly intuited that you Do Not Want to buffer an fg, but i dun think either of us ever wrote explicitly why ) [15:32]
mircea_popescu: oh he INTUITED, did he. [15:35]
asciilifeform: imho the correct answ. is obv. if one thinks about it. [15:36]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in retrospect, prolly we oughta have made'em daisy-chainable. w/out bufferism it is somewhat tricky to use multiple fg to get fatter stream. [15:39]
mircea_popescu: imo output is plenty [15:40]
mircea_popescu: you want industrial thoroughput for some kind of scientific megaapplication, use the crystals. [15:40]
mircea_popescu: for the needs of desktop crypto this is perfectly calibrated. [15:40]
asciilifeform: for pgp-style rsaism, imho entirely plenty. [15:41]
asciilifeform: for systems like mircea_popescu's eulora rsa tho, possibly one'd want >7.5kB/s , but possibly also suffices. [15:41]
mircea_popescu: yes well, just as soon as someone wants to do all-visible-celestial-bodies montecarloisims / novel protein folding etc -- can pay you to do the lyso array [15:41]
mircea_popescu: decent consulting gig, $1mn budged A++ [15:42]
asciilifeform: lyso-fg is about 20bux moar unit cost than classical. but i dun have the free hands atm. [15:42]
mircea_popescu: not the point [15:42]
asciilifeform: primary win imho from a hypothetical 'fast fg' isn't even any of this, but that it is faster to test [15:45]
mircea_popescu: lolz [15:45]
mircea_popescu: that's a thought! "save my own time!" [15:45]
asciilifeform: lol not simply 'factory test', but erry other test. [15:46]
asciilifeform: ( i test mine when plugged in from shelf , can't speak for other folx ) [15:46]
asciilifeform: ... at any rate, 'peh' will continue to use the single-fg eater (as depicted in ch8, it hasn't changed) unless someone shows very good reason why it ought to be made moar complex and eat >1. [15:49]
asciilifeform: ( and, readers will recall, it eats strictly on-demand, when '?' operator invoked, and uses no threads or any bufferism beyond 'fill this here fz from /dev/wherever' . [15:50]
asciilifeform: ) [15:50]
asciilifeform: mechanism, for thread-completeness. [15:51]
asciilifeform: since mircea_popescu mentioned 'lyso-fg' -- ftr if mircea_popescu ever comes to conclusion that we oughta bake one, it's all drawn up. [16:06]
asciilifeform: as of 1+yr ago. [16:06]
asciilifeform: 'fleet in being'(tm)(r) [16:06]
mircea_popescu: ikr ? pretty cool. [16:06]
asciilifeform: ( the 1 annoying aspect of lysotronic fg as currently drawn, is that it gets the +45v bias voltage for the detector, from batteries, as asciilifeform does not know of a 'rng safe' method to generate it from +5 without oscillators ) [16:36]
asciilifeform: it needs veehehery small current, on the order of a coupla microamps [16:47]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, [16:58]
asciilifeform: what was this ? ( a mud ? ) [17:06]
diana_coman: asciilifeform: my test was with bits directly read from fg, not buffered (if it wasn't clear) also fwiw further timings and tests are still on my list - it's just that my hands are/have been rather overflowing with eulora [17:12]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: right, this was my inference from the orig article, your run time includes the wait for fg to emit [17:13]
diana_coman: on the bright side, ffa is such a contrast to euloran client to make digesting FFA a break in itself [17:13]
diana_coman: "a break" as in taking a break (from the mess) [17:14]
asciilifeform: ffa is much smaller , indeed, item than diana_coman's 3d lib dig [17:14]
diana_coman: it's much more sanely structured so one CAN actually understand it, you know that's the main thing not to mention it's ...worth getting it into one's head to start with anyway, unless I end up writing a blogpost on "why size is really not all re code", it's probably enough to say it's saner really. [17:16]
asciilifeform: reminds me : current loc (sans blank lines) : 4010 (libff) , 2087 (peh) [17:17]
asciilifeform: as of ch19. [17:17]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this was the design objective, yes. is meant for people to eat. [17:17]
asciilifeform: ( re eulora, as i currently understand diana_coman's main work atm is an excavation, similar to trb circa '15, of heathen coad ) [17:18]
* asciilifeform brb:teatime [17:19]
diana_coman: funnily enough (though quite usual in my xp) precisely after I complained re the left/right confusion, I had now the pleasant surprise to find out that meanwhile my brain sorted it really I suspect it was more that initially I did not realise that there was a mismatch rather than the actual changing of convention getting back to it was fine. [17:19]
diana_coman: asciilifeform: bundled (excavation + replacement + change of quite fundamental stuff) so possibly yes. [17:21]
diana_coman: just for any log readers around: this is not yet the 3d lib at all it's JUST the planeshift client really, still. [17:23]
diana_coman: btw asciilifeform ch14 and esp the 14Abis (the bounds proof for barrett's reduction) were a pleasure to read. [17:26]
* diana_coman will be back tomorrow [17:27]
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman . happy to hear that it was edible ( iirc yours is the 1st report. ) [17:50]
asciilifeform: barrett is admittedly slightly tricky to 'load into head', but it's where we beat the living shit out of koch et al speedwise (for some reason they never bothered to bake a barrett, even tho method was known since '86 [17:55]
mircea_popescu: << some kinda game. it's fascinating to me, how these things die. [21:43]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-07 21:06 asciilifeform: what was this ? ( a mud ? ) [21:43]
mircea_popescu: kinda how it's fascinating to me how all sorta things end these days. [21:44]
mircea_popescu: nothing seems to ever live up in death to the pretenses it puts up while alive. [21:44]
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had piece where he got hold of a lolpad or the like, installed buncha '2 chinese d00dz on a napkin'-type gamez, and 6mo later all 'eggog, cannot connect to serv' etc [21:46]
mircea_popescu: aha. [21:47]
mircea_popescu: it's just... look, i guess a preoccupation with gravestones and old musty writs and whatall else is to some degree a professional deformation / professionalized mental issue. but nevertheless, consider : slashdot. fucking slashdot, yes, the people who named the site so that lamers couldn't tell it each other over the phone, calling each other from the video store (which, face it, early ,com internet was 100% videostore cle [21:49]
mircea_popescu: rks) [21:49]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is moar 'life cycle of fruit fly' than 'ancient stones' imho [21:49]
mircea_popescu: sells in the end for 1,5mn or some shit. that site fucking owned the internet before altavista could return a search page on "google" [21:49]
mircea_popescu: gigaom, this "big deal" specialist/experiencialist/entrepreneur/moasa-sa pe gheata. [21:50]
mircea_popescu: just went away. arianna huffington, right, "mover and shaker", america's most politially influential whatever the fuck dumb cunt, right / [21:51]
mircea_popescu: all these big deals were here at some point. at some point in my lifetime. frankly, it doesn't seem so much earlier than today's breakfast. [21:51]
mircea_popescu: tons and tons of fruit flies with driveways and car payments, pretending to granite gravestones and "a normal life". THEY'RE FUCKING FLIES. [21:51]
mircea_popescu: as per hanbot's [21:54]
mircea_popescu: << wants 20 bucks on steam, meanwhile cant' afford a mysql install. [22:33]
mircea_popescu: they've gotten cheeky btw, i recall the furore when blizzard dared break the tacit "no game shall cost over 19.95". by now ? 80 euros (ie, aboyut a benjie). [22:34]
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem a bridge too far for plenty of these. [22:34]
mircea_popescu: how the fuck are they gonna make a game worth half a 32 inch monitor is anyone's fucking guess. [22:34]
mircea_popescu: << other sduch lulz. "We are saddened to share that SOS and SOS: Classic has been permanently shut down. However you can use this website to play free Slot Games and win $25 per day by simply spending time on this website. [...] Free slots were created as a consequence of a growing need of the market to play slots..." [22:37]
mircea_popescu: for the record, there is NO MARKET and absolutely no fucking need for slots games/machines/whatever. they're the contemporary equivalent of buggy whips [22:37]
mircea_popescu: item existed at a certain point because from one hand technology sucked just enough to be able to make that kinda blinkenlichten box but no better and from the other hand because country bumpkin were just bored enough at home on the farm to find the box entertaining. [22:38]
mircea_popescu: neither premises are any longer true, the slots "market" is like the disco pants / 70s hairdos market. [22:39]
asciilifeform: evidently 'satoshi dice' dead, but the 9000 clones -- notyet [22:39]
asciilifeform: there's a reason these figure prominently in spamola of erry type, tho, hard to picture anyone with two working neurons playing [22:40]
mircea_popescu: idiot vegas, followed the blueprint to the t : replaced the "expensive to run" games, the poker with its cigars and the craps with the whores and the hustlers with slots. [22:41]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 07:21 mircea_popescu: << then briefly thereafter, fold altogether, once ebay figures them out. [22:41]
mircea_popescu: "oh, we're making so much money now [burning down the oilfields]". lasted for what, ten-fifteen years, now it's fucking dead. [22:42]
mircea_popescu: "oh, but we moved to asia". yeah, great fucking plan. [22:42]
asciilifeform: of all the things that decayed from 'expensive to run' to 'casual monkey drops coin in slot', imho gambling is the least surprising [22:44]
asciilifeform: elementarily moar poor idjits interested in the basic proposition than non-idjits [22:44]
mircea_popescu: this is not so. gambling in the old style, along with prostitution and not listening to your parents were traditionally important pillars of republic. [22:45]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu iirc had a piece re why poker , how it was a social circle thing for the rich, and then not. so, unsurprise, coin machines [22:45]
asciilifeform: right , was described in ^ [22:45]
asciilifeform: but then somehow went away, leaving the straight 'dice ops' [22:46]
mircea_popescu: well, "fighting corruption", right ? uppity dweebs, went into poker room to dump their edgecase links. [22:47]
asciilifeform: for all i know, the actual elites still play poker just like in 19th c, in closed room. while in vegas the 'aspirational' morons 'us, too' [22:47]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : apparently cca 2016 steam had a "run windows titles under linux" thing. [22:49]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, died and buried. [22:49]
asciilifeform: i dun expect the latter have any bidirectional connection to the former, any moar than the rats which eat mircea_popescu's leftovers in dumpster, have any effect on mircea_popescu's kitchen per se [22:49]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it did, i even got 'portal' to run at one pt [22:50]
asciilifeform: unsurprised that it died [22:50]
mircea_popescu: i imagine it was a major loss leader [22:50]
asciilifeform: i suspect it was a 'techie' 'wouldn't it be 13337 if we...' featurism [22:51]
asciilifeform: these live for as long as the maintainer feels like maintaining, on his lunch breaks [22:51]
* asciilifeform bbl:meat [22:52]
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