Forum logs for 06 Sep 2019
| trinque: | hey lookie there, drunkbot still connected. | [00:47] |
| trinque: | there may be a brief deedbot outage as I beat the old version with a wrench and deploy new | [00:47] |
| feedbot: | http://qntra.net/2019/09/microsoft-invites-stallman/ << Qntra -- Microsoft Invites Stallman | [00:48] |
| trinque: | !!gettrust deedbot trinque | [00:59] |
| deedbot: | L1: 1, L2: 7 by 7 connections. | [00:59] |
| trinque: | alrighty, new release! | [00:59] |
| trinque: | now with even less cron-kill-loop | [00:59] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: neato | [04:06] |
| lobbes: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933845 << ah this is perfect, ty! Will use | [05:18] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-05 11:29:06 asciilifeform: lobbes: you can also sync the way diana_coman did , using the raw dump knob and eater . | [05:18] |
| lobbes: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933941 << I don't mind taking this on, though I warn that I will absolutely take longer than asciilifeform would! | [05:18] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-05 18:12:54 asciilifeform: ty diana_coman . if lobbes also occupied, i'ma do it | [05:18] |
| lobbes: | I think, in general, it makes sense for me to chew through the logotron "todo" list right now. I would eventually like to get a php version of the reader.py written for purposes of comparison. | [05:18] |
| lobbes: | But, in order to do this I need to fully understand the "guts" of the logotron anyway, and eating the current todo list I think will help to achieve this. Plus the code is already fresh in my mind! | [05:18] |
| diana_coman: | lobbes: ericbot overboard? lolz | [07:32] |
| spyked: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933666 <-- was a great test for feedbot 'reliable failure', tho | [08:12] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-04 11:35:45 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933645 << dead as of '16 iirc | [08:12] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-04 08:57:46 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it? | [08:12] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-03 14:06:42 mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ti4kZ/?raw=true << feedbot scrollback, keks | [08:12] |
| spyked: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933705 <-- imho his vtron is worth at least mirroring. | [08:15] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-04 14:13:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did anyone ever find out where esthlos went ? | [08:15] |
| spyked: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933696 <-- ok, will take 'em (and the ones mentioned subsequently) off as soon as I get the free hands. | [08:16] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-04 13:25:57 mircea_popescu: spyked, wow look at that. okay, so btcalpha, anco.is, esthlos.com can all come off. | [08:16] |
| spyked: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933694 <-- ftr, I'm pretty sure that the same coat can be applied to mp-wp without much effort. so if e.g. billymg is interested, I can provide him with everything he needs tho the blog is online already, not especially difficult to see how the webpage is structured. | [08:21] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-04 13:20:53 asciilifeform: spyked: 'I still haven't genesized The Tar Pit by the way, is there anyone else out there interested in using it?' << me. i'ma be moving my www and quite interested in all approaches to de-php-izing . and you have imho a++ visual coat on yours. | [08:21] |
| spyked: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933930 <-- eh, when I first wrote the blog, I chose "markdown" as markup, so now would have to write some extra code to take the generated html content and add it to mp-wp db problem is, there's the manual step of verifying that the resulting content looks okay, and e.g. the photoblog posts use thetarpit-specific css. | [08:25] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-05 18:04:58 mircea_popescu: spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ? | [08:25] |
| spyked: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933944 <-- certainly a lot missing on this side of things | [08:26] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-05 19:31:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, all but for comments which, once done, will expose all but for trackbacks and all but for antisspam | [08:26] |
| spyked: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w | [08:29] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-05 18:09:18 mircea_popescu: but imo it's folly to try and marry 1 to 2 because of what's, ultimately, merely a name coincidence. | [08:29] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-05 18:08:22 mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful. | [08:29] |
| spyked: | hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it? | [08:29] |
| spyked: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933956 <-- I can defo see the productivity advantage of integrated img resizer, but when /me wrote this, he took the opposite philosophical standpoint: text can be written using whatever text editor the user wishes and uploaded to blog however he wishes. similarly, images can be processed using i | [08:34] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-04 05:34:47 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933586 << in any case disintegration is probably the road towards manageability of software | [08:34] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-05 20:07:40 mircea_popescu: what people don't realise is just HOW unlinear the returns are. | [08:34] |
| spyked: | magemagick (what I believe mp-wp uses currently?) or gimp batch processer regardless of what is to be used, the tools *are already there*, it's the user's problem how or what he uses. I for one don't wanna use web interface for photo processing, nor did I ever intend to add this to thetarpit, nor would I stop anyone from adding them if they wish | [08:34] |
| spyked: | e.g. I never seriously considered adding comments before tmsr, because who else would comment? and similarly for trackbacks | [08:35] |
| spyked: | anyway, I guess the q is in fact whether there's any use to this entire lisp-webstuff exercise. if not, I can go back to wp and work on other stuff, there's no shortage of that. | [08:37] |
| * spyked | is going to mull on this for the next week or so, meanwhile will prioritize vpatches he has in the queue | [08:39] |
| spyked: | in other news, I'll be outta town this weekend and for a few days next week. should have a buncha photos to post afterwards | [08:42] |
| spyked: | aaand bbl, putting gas mask on for dive into saecular liquishit | [08:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933996 << for all the whining re php, one thing mp-wp most definitely does right is that it separates the article from the mark-up | [10:15] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 04:25:25 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933930 <-- eh, when I first wrote the blog, I chose "markdown" as markup, so now would have to write some extra code to take the generated html content and add it to mp-wp db problem is, there's the manual step of verifying that the resulting content looks okay, and e.g. the photoblog posts use thetarpit-specific css. | [10:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | so technically, you'd have to clean up your articles, so they're actual articles before they can be put in the db ? | [10:16] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-05 18:04:58 mircea_popescu: spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ? | [10:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\ | [10:31] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:58 spyked: hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it? | [10:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | consider the illustrative (is it didactic, nwo that's illustrative ?) case of alf's py logotron : NOW that he's done it, i can say things like depends what you count before, i couldn't very well have. | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you never put the work in to evaluate hutch, there'd never have been any basis for [][conclusions] << my comment re "this isn't lisp" should have gone in there, but i can't fucking find it because on your blog has no recent posts nor in the logsearch because thetarp hutch return nothing becuase your blog doesn't have title-urls. | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | title-urls are fucking important! | [10:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first. | [10:37] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:51 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w | [10:37] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-05 18:09:18 mircea_popescu: but imo it's folly to try and marry 1 to 2 because of what's, ultimately, merely a name coincidence. | [10:37] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-05 18:08:22 mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful. | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934009 << i don't know yet superficially hutchentoot seems like it's python-in-lisp as a stotting exercise by the sort of sparsely-beareded / unemployable postdoc students that do this sort of dumb shit because they can (or can't get laid). | [10:39] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 04:37:38 spyked: anyway, I guess the q is in fact whether there's any use to this entire lisp-webstuff exercise. if not, I can go back to wp and work on other stuff, there's no shortage of that. | [10:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have no strong feeling either way, it's your toy as far as i'm concerned. if you judge it's worth pushing forward by all means, let's see what comes of it, and if you judge this is just a waste of time, by all means, it can stand like that, "spyked went on lisp expedition cca 2019, upon consideration it didn't seem worth bothering with" | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | i really can't atm tell the difference between gcc-in-php and hutchentoote, myself. but i am a sluggish intellect, takes me a while. | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | (as an aside, leaving be the situation where this is entirely obscure arcana, top results on "hutchentoot" searches include 2015 tmsr logs, consider http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.lisp/scripting-in-cl-please-comment/239090 as a fine illustration, the moneyshot being macro index,pager <F7> " <enter-command> set pipe_decode=yes<enter> <enter-command> set my_wait_key=\$wait_key wait_key=no<enter> <pipe-message>/home/tpapp/so | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | ftware/misc/savebody<enter> <enter-command> set wait_key=\$my_wait_key &my_wait_key<enter> <enter-command> set pipe_decode=no<enter> " "view message body in browser" | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | i expect it's needless to say moar.) | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, cl isn't the lang the fucktard knows best -- that's transparently excel/vb whatever. but whatevs. | [10:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | (this, also, before we get into "Hunchentoot talks with its front-end or with the client over TCP/IP sockets and optionally uses multiprocessing to handle several requests at the same time. Therefore, it cannot be implemented completely in portable Common Lisp. It currently works with LispWorks and all Lisps which are supported by the compatibility layers usocket and Bordeaux Threads." discussions.) | [10:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | "Hunchentoot is (or was) for example used by <a href="http://quickhoney.com/">QuickHoney</a>, <a href="http://www.city-farming.de/">City Farming</a>, <a href="http://heikestephan.de/">Heike Stephan</a>." << forgot to put that lulz in the log somehow. | [10:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | fancy that, useful lisp! | [10:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | also in the lulz, "Hunchentoot does not come with code to help with running it on a privileged port (i.e. port 80 or 443) on Unix-like operating systems. Modern Unix-like systems have specific, non-portable ways to allow non-root users to listen to privileged ports, so including such functionality in Hunchentoot was considered unnecessary. Please refer to online resources for help. At the time of this writing, [http://yaws | [10:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | .hyber.org/privbind.yaws][the YAWS documentation] has a comprehensive writeup on the topic." << the link is something else, its spurious whie really bolsters the useless postdoc angle. | [10:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | (different pos wanna-wanna-wanna be server.) | [10:56] |
| spyked: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934014 <-- more along the lines of: convert from thetarpit-format to mp-wp-format so that paragraphs, photos etc. display properly it's not a big deal, but I expect there are a few unknowns that might require manually walking the article list. which isn't *that* big, but still. | [12:33] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 06:31:19 mircea_popescu: so technically, you'd have to clean up your articles, so they're actual articles before they can be put in the db ? | [12:33] |
| spyked: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934020 <-- there's no "conclusion" post, but yeah, these oughta go somewhere. the closest thing to a conclusion is http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09d-hunchentoot-vib.html#selection-970.0-970.7 | [12:35] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 06:51:30 mircea_popescu: if you never put the work in to evaluate hutch, there'd never have been any basis for [][conclusions] << my comment re "this isn't lisp" should have gone in there, but i can't fucking find it because on your blog has no recent posts nor in the logsearch because thetarp hutch return nothing becuase your blog doesn't have title-urls. | [12:35] |
| spyked: | other than that, I guess you meant "recent comments"? recent posts are on the main page and as for title-urls, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=from%3Afeedbot+hunchentoot&chan=trilema works from what I see | [12:36] |
| spyked: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934022 <-- hm, that's a very strong point re. this decision whether to continue or not. well, #trilema has some IRC bots powered by Lisp, so that's something. | [12:38] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 06:52:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first. | [12:38] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:51 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w | [12:38] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-05 18:09:18 mircea_popescu: but imo it's folly to try and marry 1 to 2 because of what's, ultimately, merely a name coincidence. | [12:38] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-05 18:08:22 mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful. | [12:38] |
| spyked: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934030 <-- hm. who's that? can't seem to relate it to the subj. in any way (other than the post mentioning CL) | [12:40] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 07:01:51 mircea_popescu: (as an aside, leaving be the situation where this is entirely obscure arcana, top results on "hutchentoot" searches include 2015 tmsr logs, consider http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.lisp/scripting-in-cl-please-comment/239090 as a fine illustration, the moneyshot being macro index,pager <F7> " <enter-command> set pipe_decode=yes<enter> <enter-command> set my_wait_key=\$wait_key wait_key=no<enter> <pipe-message>/h | [12:40] |
| spyked: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934029 <-- not sure thetarpit's current code is more than "php scripting in Lisp" either, it was written in my CL-noob years. the webpage generation bits are pretty nifty tho, on account of cl-who. | [12:45] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 06:57:23 mircea_popescu: i really can't atm tell the difference between gcc-in-php and hutchentoote, myself. but i am a sluggish intellect, takes me a while. | [12:45] |
| spyked: | hm, rereading http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934017 , I'm thinking I should really write a summary/post-mortem post. but more generally, I need to organize all the comments so far (and whatever's to come) and see what to make of this. | [12:50] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 06:47:33 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\ | [12:50] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:58 spyked: hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it? | [12:50] |
| spyked: | in any case, I'll publish the hunchentoot genesis today, as promised. /me bbl again | [12:51] |
| diana_coman: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933983 - fwiw this sounds like a good plan to me. | [13:59] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 01:34:11 lobbes: I think, in general, it makes sense for me to chew through the logotron "todo" list right now. I would eventually like to get a php version of the reader.py written for purposes of comparison. | [13:59] |
| lobbes: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933985 << ugh, looks like I lost ~2 hours of logs | [14:51] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 03:32:53 diana_coman: lobbes: ericbot overboard? lolz | [14:51] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 05:55:02: *** Quits: ericbot (~ericbot@208.70.251.10) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | [14:51] |
| lobbes: | ^ incidentally, I love connectolade in logs for just such reasons | [14:51] |
| lobbes: | may make that a patch in logotron... eventually! | [14:52] |
| lobbes: | !!up ericbot | [14:54] |
| deedbot: | ericbot voiced for 30 minutes. | [14:54] |
| lobbes: | !e uptime | [14:54] |
| ericbot: | lobbes: time since my last reconnect : 1d 7h 30m | [14:54] |
| lobbes: | ^ definitely some funkiness with the !e uptime reporting too (ty diana for pointing that out in #o) | [14:54] |
| lobbes: | I will dig later tonight / this weekend. Will see what I can figure out | [14:55] |
| asciilifeform: | lobbes: what's in yer bot log ? | [15:35] |
| asciilifeform: | lobbes: i.e. what did it do for those 2h instead of reconnecting ? ( or didja have to cycle it manually..? ) | [15:35] |
| asciilifeform: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934022 << can't resist the bait -- neither the 3y of phf's logger, nor deedbot, 'useful' ? ( or does 'see' require that proggy is actually published ? or wat. ) | [15:41] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 06:37:14 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first. | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform, useful here is used to denote the situation where it ~actually forces environmental change around itself~. in this sense, apache is successful, but linux is unsuccessful. | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | byantines, successful, us about to become unsuccessful (ie, its fundamental unsuccessfulability preparing to become manifest) | [15:43] |
| * diana_coman | takes note of unsuccessfulability | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | :D | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | important concept of the cult!!! | [15:43] |
| asciilifeform: | apropos : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934034 << this gripe is factual -- cl standard was written by 'tower of babel' and specifically excluded unix knobs. so all ~usable pc lisps in fact have nonstandard knobs for threads, sockets, etc. iirc this was detailed in prev. threads. | [15:44] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 06:50:37 mircea_popescu: (this, also, before we get into "Hunchentoot talks with its front-end or with the client over TCP/IP sockets and optionally uses multiprocessing to handle several requests at the same time. Therefore, it cannot be implemented completely in portable Common Lisp. It currently works with LispWorks and all Lisps which are supported by the compatibility layers usocket and Bordeaux Threads." discussions.) | [15:44] |
| diana_coman: | since I just walloped poor shrysr for misuse of "tragedy", might as well start compiling a "basic vocabulary for younghands graduation@ | [15:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform, un rasad uscat prolly interestinf precursor | [15:44] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: illuminate plox ? | [15:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | which ? | [15:49] |
| asciilifeform: | the linked piece. i dun know the cultural refs. | [15:50] |
| * asciilifeform | brb:teatime | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. "rock music", right ? the culty group of the 90s ? | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | piece in short says that even the ridoinculous ufo-religions of the ustards / futurology produced things (eg, apple. or wikipedia) | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | but "rockers"... | [15:51] |
| * asciilifeform | even as a child, was allergic, so prolly last 1 who should be asked. and in fact if could buy a martian radio that somehow tunes, back in space and time, in sovok circa 1984 -- ~would~ . | [16:16] |
| asciilifeform: | in fact ~this~ is largely for what asciilifeform uses his sound card. | [16:21] |
| * asciilifeform | cold, as a stone, to 'rock' and the other digestive enzymes of the octopus. | [16:21] |
| diana_coman: | o.O asciilifeform's sound card tunes back in space and time to sovok circa 1984 ?? | [16:21] |
| feedbot: | http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09f-hunchentoot-genesis.html << The Tar Pit -- Hunchentoot genesis | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you mean like, the trololo guy ?! corina chiriac ?! | [16:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L98RF213Kc << the martian radio service grants wishes | [16:45] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: just about . | [16:45] |
| * diana_coman | sings macaraaaale / rad in soareee | [16:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | argintii... macarale... | [16:48] |
| * asciilifeform | sadly not expert classicist in ro-sovok from it knows only 'trei culori cunosc pe lume...' | [16:49] |
| diana_coman: | for completeness @rotaku, [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvNFrn2uLrs][macarale] | [16:49] |
| BingoBoingo: | So local news. In the past 24 hours the local cops have been involved in 2 incidents which are very oppressive by Uruguay standards and unremarkable in most other parts of the world. | [16:50] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: lemme guess, they ticketed a motoroller | [16:51] |
| asciilifeform: | for parking on sidewalk. | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | keks | [16:51] |
| BingoBoingo: | 1. Yesterday the cops put themselves in front of a farmers march. The folks with tractors and horses prevailed without anything notable byeond the confrontation. | [16:52] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: square links only work if have the htt... prefix | [16:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | did they start feeling up poor chicks on the side of road ? | [16:52] |
| BingoBoingo: | 2. Last night police stopped an anti-papermill march that had gone hooligan with the rubber bullets | [16:52] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: what do the orcs have against paper ? | [16:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | "trabajo" si, trabajo no | [16:53] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: They hate that the new paper mill will *EMPLOY* people | [16:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | i expect this'll be the standard in socialism. | [16:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | And that it'll eat the eucalyptus trees that don't belong here anyways | [16:54] |
| asciilifeform: | i still dunget it... is it american paper mill? or wat | [16:54] |
| asciilifeform: | a. | [16:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | if kids in school can hate it / try and bully kids who learn in school | [16:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: UPM, Finish firm. THis will be their second here. | [16:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | the "adults" come out of them will surely do the fucking same just as soon as they're 20% or so by social mass | [16:55] |
| asciilifeform: | lol, finns?! | [16:55] |
| BingoBoingo: | Bigger anger may be that they'll export rather than making corrugated kraft board for their arts and crafts time | [16:55] |
| diana_coman: | spyked: the "broken" vdiff is possibly the issue with "exploding" because of using the initial version of keccak that stores each bit on a full octet-space? | [16:55] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: why would finns, whose ~sole export is timber, build a paper mill in BingoBoingostan?! | [16:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | cuz they know about paper mills | [16:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Because they are good at paper and Uruguay has artificial forests to pulp | [16:56] |
| asciilifeform: | i suppose makes sense -- finn forests are furniture-grade | [16:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | Uruguay's are firewood and pulp grade seeing as the forests in Uruguay with few exceptions were put in due to the lack of ground sourced hydrocarbons | [16:57] |
| asciilifeform: | btw another things asciilifeform's ancestors had in sovok that asciilifeform can't buy for any amt of money in gringolandia -- the famous 'finnish wall'(tm) -- y'know (or maybe not know?) this thing, cabinets, glass-doored bookshelves, that fill a wall | [16:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure, had a whole room decked in that | [16:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | library. | [16:58] |
| asciilifeform: | aha!! these | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: know that but not by the name of "finnish wall" at all | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | as mircea_popescu really: it's called library or maybe "study room" lol | [16:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [16:58] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: possibly yours wasn't finnish , but locally made, ro has out of what | [16:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | early ikea, had modules with fold-in table, dozen+ types otherwise | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | and what, ussr didn't have timber?? | [16:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | lego for adults. well, "adults", like the woman in http://trilema.com/2017/the-goodbye-girl/ | [16:59] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: 'ikea' is mega-bestselling here. but, as you might expect, they sell such things as they can get away with to the locals, who can't tell actual wood from glue-an'-dust | [17:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | There used to be a place in my hometown that specialized in bespoke woodwork. Pipe organs, aircraft, and cabinetry. Now: https://archive.is/flYlo "Celebrate your special event in style when you choose Olde Wicks Factory Special Event Center in Highland, IL. Our venues are located in a 100-year-old building, formerly the Pipe Organ Company, and feature stunning stained glass, exposed brick, chandeliers, and beautiful outdoor space. With | [17:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | three distinct spaces to choose from, your wedding venue, event space, or reception hall will be everything you envisioned and more." | [17:00] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: sovok didn't have the magick proximity of the folx who know how to make furniture, and the old-growth timber, aha | [17:01] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: well, and e.g. howard hughes built the 'spruice goose', world's largest flying tub, also. i was speaking of mass products. | [17:01] |
| BingoBoingo: | I dunno that propper cabinetry can be a mass product rather than build to suit | [17:03] |
| asciilifeform: | can. or , rather -- could. | [17:04] |
| BingoBoingo: | In the US where the primary use of wood is structural all sorts of complications emerge that you gotta count during the site survey. How much is the floor sunk and where. How far off of plumb are the walls, etc, etc | [17:06] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: dafuq, floor sunk, walls off plumb?! i'm in the most starvation-grade hovel here and my floor is level, and corners are 90 degree | [17:07] |
| asciilifeform: | is 'off plumb' a midwest thing, or wat | [17:07] |
| BingoBoingo: | Back at the Orange Despot the kitchen cabinet girls were the most specialized, because their job involved breaking the news to customers that they can't just sum the cost of the cabinets because their home's structure sucks. | [17:07] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile in vintage oddball spam via mircea_popescu's link. | [17:08] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Termites and age. There is a certain point arount the 1910s where in the Midwest they simply stopped demolishing and kept adding. | [17:08] |
| asciilifeform: | hm i vaguely recall a thread where lobbes , i think, exclaimed 'i just put my foot through the fucking floor' | [17:09] |
| BingoBoingo: | So when there was a fad like dormers to increase upstairs space in the mid 20th century, structure be damned 40 year old stick structure gets dormers. | [17:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo, was, in hruscheba world. standard spaces -> standard furniture | [17:10] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: we weren't even in hruscheba, but in the 19th-c-converted-to-kommunalka . still 100% square walls. | [17:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [17:11] |
| BingoBoingo: | mircea_popescu: Just entering into the record the US insanity where residential spaces are never standard. | [17:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | ustermites build out of woodpaste not stonepaste tho | [17:12] |
| BingoBoingo: | See also http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-01-16#1887564 | [17:12] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-01-16 10:41:11 BingoBoingo: The only reason mod6's sill plate problem is exceptional is someone looked at his sill plate. In USistan most people don't know they have the sill plate problem because they never look. | [17:12] |
| * asciilifeform | when moved into current woodpaste, went in it when it was empty and put ball bearing on the floor. it didn't move. | [17:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | nice for the swamp | [17:13] |
| asciilifeform: | structure is circa 1960 , i think. | [17:13] |
| asciilifeform: | more interestingly, on subj, when put in 'ikea' desk, found that it is impossible to keep ball bearing still on it, no matter how legs are adjusted. the 'wood' gives under weight of displays etc. | [17:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, glued woodpaste | [17:17] |
| asciilifeform: | aha. mostly -- glue. | [17:17] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: these here swamp dwellings are built sorta like those huts in vietnam. there's a concrete plinth, and ~1m columns, on these -- the floor. | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | makes sense | [17:19] |
| asciilifeform: | some of the nearby folx, have actual cellars, and these have pumps going at all times, sorta like bilge pump in ship. they gurgle out to the street periodically. | [17:21] |
| asciilifeform: | occasionally 1 of these pumps gives out, and then truck shows up to repair the drowned furnace etc. for megabux. | [17:21] |
| BingoBoingo: | <asciilifeform> some of the nearby folx, have actual cellars, and these have pumps going at all times, sorta like bilge pump in ship. they gurgle out to the street periodically. << This is the midwestern standard. On a long enough timeline every structure with a basement needs one. | [17:23] |
| asciilifeform: | !q uptime | [17:25] |
| snsabot: | asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 21d 3h 1m | [17:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | three weeks (tm) | [17:25] |
| BingoBoingo: | And the archive link loaded https://archive.is/t5IiJ "Mientras marchaban, hicieron pintadas y rompieron vidrios. Entre los edificios pintados se encuentra el de la Dirección Nacional de Medio Ambiente (Dinama). En determinado momento de la manifestación, vieron a un policÃa que estaba en una garita cumpliendo tareas de 222 y lo golpearon. Cinco patrulleros llegaron hasta el lugar y la policÃa detuvo a cinco personas, pero una | [17:25] |
| BingoBoingo: | fue liberada por orden de la FiscalÃa." | [17:25] |
| asciilifeform: | hey diana_coman , didja ever manually test the reconnector? i -- did but from lobbes's bot i have dark suspicion that it doesn't 100% work !! | [17:25] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and btw it will only ever work as well as the fleanode serv list given in config. ideally oughta give several hand-picked ip ) | [17:26] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: is 'dinama' the same busybodies who tried to confiscate the replacement rk i sent you, for 'enviro pollution' ?? | [17:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | doh | [17:28] |
| asciilifeform: | unrelatedly, to round off this subthread : toshiba's 'TLP3905' in fact gives 7+v out from ~1.7v in, w/out oscillation. and is ~1 $ in qty. ( so 7 of'em, + e.g. LT3014B micropower linear regulator, would in fact give noiseless +40 for that diode. ) | [17:33] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-05 14:02:30 asciilifeform: thinking again today about this , and dug, found in fact that toshiba & coupla others offer ~single~ cell led<->photovoltaic pieces. and that could prolly connect these in series for the desired effect... | [17:33] |
| asciilifeform: | pretty interestingly, imho, no such application is discussed anywhere on the public net. almost as if no one ever gave half a shit . | [17:33] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: They are | [17:33] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: But they did yield once the magic words were found. Their building has one of those old timey attended elevators. | [17:34] |
| asciilifeform: | ( 'TLP3905' only gives 12uA, and the regulator eats ~7uA as heat, but diode eats only picoamp or so as leakage current when reverse-biased ) | [17:35] |
| asciilifeform: | i.e. this old puzzler, is thereby solved. | [17:38] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-06-07 16:36:15 asciilifeform: ( the 1 annoying aspect of lysotronic fg as currently drawn, is that it gets the +45v bias voltage for the detector, from batteries, as asciilifeform does not know of a 'rng safe' method to generate it from +5 without oscillators ) | [17:38] |
| asciilifeform: | before putting the subj back on the shelf , will also note, you dun actually need the lyso crystal if you have one of those radwaste 'coin' such as comes with old geigers -- can put right on the diode, it is entirely passable detector by itself above 100kEv or so . | [17:44] |
| asciilifeform: | however there are some ultra-fascist locales where can't easily buy those (current day ru comes to mind) | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform, re-read that comment, still nfi wtf it's about. possibly civillian being clever in spare time. | [17:49] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: when i 1st read, thought 'substance abuse' | [17:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | by now, esl ~= substance abuse kinda like "true communist" ~= trotstky glasses cca 1919 | [17:50] |
| asciilifeform: | btw in re 'countries where can't buy test button for geiger' -- is ridiculously impotent ban all you gotta do is to (carefully!) collect dust from crt monitor screen for coupla wks, and mix into a coupla grams of epoxy. po-210, 214, 218 . (exercise for reader : how did it get there?) | [17:52] |
| BingoBoingo: | Meanwhile in capital controls on the other side of the river https://imgur.com/a/m0IX6HM tldr they have to go to the bank location with forms before incoming SWIFT wires post to their accounts | [17:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | cuz god forbid any money makes it in ? | [17:59] |
| BingoBoingo: | Pesification! | [18:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | exact above discussed crab mentality, aka the true core of socialism. "We might be fucked in the ass, but at least we all are, equally so' | [18:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | Well, god forbid any incoming money make it to the intended recipient. God forbiding any money make it in comes later | [18:00] |
| asciilifeform: | 'los dolares se pesifican automaticamente' lol!!! | [18:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | wtf does that even mean | [18:02] |
| BingoBoingo: | There's also been a lot of butthurt from Argentines that the banks in Uruguay don't want to deal with them. | [18:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | they steal it, basically ? | [18:02] |
| BingoBoingo: | They steal it, yes. It's Argentina. | [18:03] |
| asciilifeform: | i suspect 'go ahead send in us $, we'll give your zimbabwebux instead' | [18:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | keks. | [18:03] |
| BingoBoingo: | Macri claimed "free market, Argentine banks finally safe" and then he Christina'd | [18:03] |
| spyked: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934123 <-- huh, whaddaya know, that was the problem! ty, diana_coman! unfortunately baking a patch isn't as simple as "vdiff a b", because sbcl comes with binaries included. :| will get to this when I'm back home | [19:17] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 12:55:45 diana_coman: spyked: the "broken" vdiff is possibly the issue with "exploding" because of using the initial version of keccak that stores each bit on a full octet-space? | [19:17] |
| diana_coman: | spyked: there is a newer version of keccak that works on octet-sized input but iirc it's not yet in vdiff, might help to get it in anyway (and then see if it still fails) | [19:22] |
| diana_coman: | spyked: I mean this patch on eucrypt http://ossasepia.com/2019/03/15/eucrypt-chapter-16-bytestream-inputoutput-keccak/ | [19:23] |
| asciilifeform: | lobbes, diana_coman , et al : logotron page updated to include lobbes's piece ! | [19:26] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile , ACHTUNG trinque & ben_vulpes : >>> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-09-06#1000253 | [19:27] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-06 15:25:52 bvt: hello. seems that dns/http of p.bvulpes.com fell off -> deedbot can't produce OTPs | [19:27] |
| asciilifeform: | !!up bvt | [19:27] |
| deedbot: | bvt voiced for 30 minutes. | [19:27] |
| bvt: | ty. spyked, diana_coman : i fixed the problem with keccaking large files in vdiff here http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/vdiff-vpatch-blockwise-keccaking/ | [19:28] |
| bvt: | i did not switch to the newer keccak code, as this would not solve underlying issue: vdiff would still crash with large files, just the limit would be 8x larger | [19:30] |
| diana_coman: | bvt: that is true | [19:34] |
| asciilifeform: | achtung, panzers! about to upgrade 'reader', expect ~10s of down time. | [19:42] |
| * asciilifeform | done | [19:42] |
| asciilifeform: | oook , e.g. this and other quoted-search nao worx from www form. still gotta find out why not worx from bot cmd. | [19:48] |
| asciilifeform: | once i do, will make vpatch . | [19:48] |
| asciilifeform: | lobbes , mircea_popescu , et al ^ | [19:48] |
| asciilifeform: | tho possibly still isn't exactly what we traditionally want. e.g. this , possibly oughta match only space-bounded strings when quoted term ? | [19:52] |
| asciilifeform: | i'ma see what mircea_popescu says when wakes up. | [19:52] |
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