Forum logs for 06 May 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: aha [00:00]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, seems you were right, keybase moduli aren't particularly rotten [00:00]
mircea_popescu: search me how the fuck they managed to get rng in js, but w/e. [00:00]
mircea_popescu: felipelalli1983 so how about that dilma huh. they're wringing her neck they are. [00:06]
mircea_popescu: and in other boobs [00:18]
deedbot: [Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), April 2016 Statement - [00:21]
felipelalli: Hi mircea_popescu ! yes, you are right!! ahahh. It's incredible that she doesn't renounce. That kind of people is always a dog with a bone. [00:32]
felipelalli: in the day of first and most important impeachment election the people celebrates more than World Cup final! [00:33]
felipelalli: I was in the same place, this street: [00:34]
felipelalli: everybody watching like the World Cup final. [00:34]
felipelalli: I had an issue in my connection. Did you guys receive my lasts 4 messages? [00:36]
mircea_popescu: seems da silva is gonna end up in jail too [00:40]
mircea_popescu: felipelalli sure. [00:40]
mircea_popescu: oh and maduro is besieging the parliament lol. pretty lulzy south american spring [00:42]
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, everyone here hope so. [00:42]
mircea_popescu: i thought he was very populare [00:42]
felipelalli: I don't understand how they can survive with that hyperinflation [00:42]
felipelalli: *was* [00:43]
felipelalli: but, to be honest he is still yet, but only with really poor people [00:43]
mircea_popescu: felipelalli actually lots of the runners working for people here are venezuelan chix. [00:43]
felipelalli: really? how? [00:44]
mircea_popescu: well, ran out of venezuela one way or another, needed a job. [00:44]
felipelalli: ah! are you living in Argentina, I have forgot that! [00:44]
mircea_popescu: yea [00:45]
felipelalli: at least they didn't come to Brazil yet! maybe because we're very bad too. everything is collapsing, as in the book Atlas Shrugged [00:45]
mircea_popescu: also kinda hot [00:46]
felipelalli: and in Argentina the new president is really better or same shit? [00:46]
felipelalli: the people in Brazil say the new president is God comparing to that woman. [00:46]
mircea_popescu: he's competent, economically. better, what's that. he's a faithful usg muppet, working to make the place more in line with washington's interest. [00:46]
mircea_popescu: which is all the better, argentines are imbeciles. [00:46]
felipelalli: lol [00:47]
felipelalli: I was only once in Argentina, in a Bitcoin event [00:47]
mircea_popescu: most annoying dilemma, do you want to live on a farm, or do you want to live in a republic of farm animals ?! [00:47]
felipelalli: ahahah [00:47]
mircea_popescu: fuckall, i'd much prefer living in a city among civilised folk. but this isn't on offer. [00:47]
mircea_popescu: anyway. he's better, he's turning the republic of cattle into rancho cucamonga. [00:47]
felipelalli: hahah [00:48]
felipelalli: I am a voluntaryist, and we are "splited" about the situation here. [00:48]
felipelalli: because Dilma made a lot of voluntaryists!! [00:48]
mircea_popescu: it's unclear to me what the protestors actually want. [00:49]
mircea_popescu: they'll replace this lot with... what, aliens ? [00:49]
felipelalli: ahhahah [00:49]
mircea_popescu: new politicians. well... guess what, the new politicians are hungry. [00:49]
felipelalli: the protesters are conservatives, they are just "anti-communist" [00:49]
felipelalli: not anti-gov [00:49]
mircea_popescu: seems these communists were really very savagely capitalistic though [00:50]
mircea_popescu: stealing from "the state" to make one's own fortune is how capitalism always starts. [00:50]
felipelalli: agreed [00:50]
felipelalli: actually they are not personally "so rich" like they could be. They are sick, they just want to impose their communist agenda [00:50]
mircea_popescu: anyway. i don't think anyone actulaly understands what they're doing or knows why. [00:50]
mircea_popescu: i bet if you torture dilma in like a medieval dungeon to tell you the truth, why the fuck she did it, [00:51]
mircea_popescu: she'll be like "uh i dunno... i thought it's what's done... everyone else was doing it" [00:51]
felipelalli: I think the extreme left is going to disappear for some years, at least. [00:51]
mircea_popescu: bitch... you're the fucking president, your life philosophy is "hurr, i'll just do what everyone does" ? [00:51]
felipelalli: lol [00:51]
mircea_popescu: eh, the extreme left consists of "herp, i'm really lazy, things should happen". that's nevere going anywhere. [00:52]
felipelalli: the people here are crazy for "rights" [00:52]
mircea_popescu: it'll disappear five minutes after farts disappear. [00:52]
felipelalli: we have a *lot* of "rights [00:52]
mircea_popescu: yeah im sure you do. [00:52]
felipelalli: but no one of these rights actually really works lol [00:52]
felipelalli: the people here are really stupid too, including the rich ones. [00:53]
mircea_popescu: do you know what's the difference between a guy from brazil and a guy from kentucky ? [00:53]
felipelalli: the rich are anti-comm but they are more "statits" than anyone. They really love a strong strong State [00:53]
BingoBoingo: lol boatoshi [00:53]
felipelalli: no, what is? [00:53]
BingoBoingo: later tell pete_dushenski Where's the Albert wildfire piece. I think you already know what the hook should be... [00:54]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [00:54]
mircea_popescu: the guy from kentucky has half a dozen broken cars on plastic foil in front of his house the guy from brazil has half dozen broken rights on plastic foil in front of his house. [00:54]
mircea_popescu: neither gets them anywhere. [00:54]
felipelalli: BingoBoingo, I have translated that news to Brazilian fb group and they loved the "Boatoshi" hahahh [00:54]
BingoBoingo: sweet [00:54]
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, true ahha [00:54]
mircea_popescu: hm, i wonder if a portuguese qntra section'd be worth it. [00:55]
mircea_popescu: yet in other cunts, [00:55]
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, maybe not yet, not so many active people here, and most are really stupid yet. They are learning yet what Bitcoin actually is. [00:56]
mircea_popescu: aha [00:56]
felipelalli: now they are in love with ETH [00:56]
felipelalli: and altcoins [00:56]
mircea_popescu: lolk [00:56]
felipelalli: they are masochists, not in BSDM sense lol [00:56]
felipelalli: I have blocked more than 20 already hahah [00:57]
felipelalli: some of them says Bitcoin will fatally dies because is "too old", like an old car. [00:58]
mircea_popescu: lol [00:58]
felipelalli: but they don't understand money is better if older. [00:58]
felipelalli: but with this incredible fall of ETH they are just quiet now hahah [00:59]
mircea_popescu: heh. [00:59]
felipelalli: at least they stop to talk about that shit of big blocks hahah [01:00]
felipelalli: they finally understand that the block aways tends to be full of rubish. Just pay 0.01 $ more and you are free from the tx mud. [01:01]
mircea_popescu: fancy that, the emergency went away. [01:03]
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, yes, suddenly. [01:03]
felipelalli: I think Theymos made the right choice to censor (what lead to a split) the subreddit. Now /r/btc is filled with a bunch of derps it's amazing how they attract each other! <amazing company> [01:06]
mircea_popescu: myeah. contrary to fiatista ideology, the only thing large groups of "people themselves" do is collapse on their own shitweight. [01:07]
felipelalli: "fiatista ideology" auehauaueh [01:08]
mircea_popescu: no but there's this thing "oh, you want more users" , "oh what people say/think matters" [01:08]
mircea_popescu: yeah right. [01:08]
felipelalli: yes.. Do you know what is HuE BR? On the Internet we laugh like that: "auheuaheuahe" [01:10]
felipelalli: do you know that? lol [01:11]
mircea_popescu: like a meme ? [01:16]
felipelalli: yes [01:16]
felipelalli: it's about how the BR HuE destroy everything ahaha [01:17]
mircea_popescu: what is it, a sort of orc ? [01:17]
felipelalli: loll [01:17]
BingoBoingo: bc,stats [02:30]
gribble: Current Blocks: 410463 | Current Difficulty: 1.7865925777252728E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 411263 | Next Difficulty In: 800 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [02:30]
BingoBoingo: ticker --market all [02:33]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 449.04, vol: 2825.61233958 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 444.0, vol: 4366.57591 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 449.48, vol: 8028.53457791 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 446.9596, vol: 20549.13940000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 448.203, vol: 334.43299409 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 453.617604, vol: 5.2675528 | Volume-weighted last average: 447.337370007 [02:33]
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asciilifeform: << realize that 'poor rng' does not necessarily mean 'phuctorable.' if the keyspace is reduced from, say, 10^100 to 10^10, it does not follow that given the number of extant keys there will be duplicate factors. [09:09]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-06 04:00 mircea_popescu: search me how the fuck they managed to get rng in js, but w/e. [09:09]
asciilifeform: but what it DOES mean is that folks who know 'where the corpse is buried' can derive yer keyz. [09:09]
asciilifeform: because their search space is constrained. [09:09]
asciilifeform: this is kindergarten diddlatronics. [09:10]
asciilifeform: << this is fall-off-your-chair hilarious until you realize that - quite likely - no puritan derp actually went and told africans not to fuck. instead, the MONEY bought yachts, fattened harvard, bought dope, and whatever else anglo ruling class imbeciles normally do with it. [09:12]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-06 08:21 punkman: [09:12]
asciilifeform: << ahahaha mircea_popescu may as well open, e.g., scintillator fibre factory, in kentucky then ?! [09:13]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-06 04:46 mircea_popescu: he's competent, economically. better, what's that. he's a faithful usg muppet, working to make the place more in line with washington's interest. [09:13]
asciilifeform: and when i say 'show me a place ~not~ ruled by usg muppets where a cultured man might want to live' mircea_popescu laughs. [09:14]
mircea_popescu: trinque what are your thoughts re importing into deedbot the ENTIRE key db as owned by phuctor ? [11:36]
mircea_popescu: on some level it seems one shouldn't be precluded in rating a key merely because the owner of that key failed to register it with teh republic. [11:36]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! yer gonna love the n*log(n) lookups [11:39]
asciilifeform: tanstaafl (tm) (r) [11:40]
mircea_popescu: kik ? [11:40]
asciilifeform: 'there aint no such thing as a free lunch' [11:40]
punkman: you don't have to import it into gpg [11:40]
punkman: (all at once) [11:40]
mircea_popescu: seems to me it'd be a tree, 40 deep. whats teh big deal [11:41]
* asciilifeform always pronounced it like Schutzstaffel [11:43]
asciilifeform: the big deal is that a db that gets ~added to~ is not so simple as 'tree of 40 levels' [11:43]
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'm for it. [11:43]
trinque: asciilifeform: how big is the whole key archive? [11:43]
asciilifeform: trinque: ~6GB [11:44]
mircea_popescu: trinque asciilifeform has some sort of point, BUT, i think it should be approachable. needs some cranium grease put into it all. [11:44]
asciilifeform: anyway it's doable, but you gotta think about what happens when enemy gets wind and generates a quintillion crud keys. [11:44]
trinque: postgresql can probably handle that [11:44]
trinque: I've seen bigger DBs [11:44]
mircea_popescu: in any case, the driver for this thought process in my head is, believe it or not, the messing around with phf re beefy few days ago. seems a deeply valuable learning experience, to be exposed to large sets in this sense. [11:45]
trinque: I'm gonna need to upgrade the box, but that's been on my list for a while anyway [11:45]
asciilifeform: perhaps some of this could happen on the massive 'dulap' [11:45]
trinque: it heads towards deedbot being a keyserver too, already sorta is with $key [11:45]
asciilifeform: where the db already lives. [11:45]
mircea_popescu: trinque so it does. [11:45]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah. the whole point is to duplicate work. [11:45]
mircea_popescu: (in retrospect, from my very instructive republican experience, im discovering that the principal job of management actually is to decide when to and when not to duplicate work. it's a much deeper point than it seems.) [11:46]
asciilifeform: trick is that it works best if you have the duplicated thing done in ~improved~ way rather than ad-hoc [11:47]
mircea_popescu: depends. if the point is the end result, then yes. if the point is the person doing it, then no. [11:47]
asciilifeform: noshit. hence homework. [11:48]
asciilifeform: 'but pythagoras already did this!111' [11:48]
mircea_popescu: note that ~all us "Science and Engineering" consists of young men doing homework in a poorly managed, ineptly driven manner collectively known as "phd" [11:48]
mircea_popescu: nobody else does anything. perhaps for structural reasons. [11:48]
mircea_popescu: andre "what happens when enemy gets wind" 1. this is a very valuable canary for such a wonderous change in the enemy 2. time offers a natural breaking point, we're protected well by the configuration of the field. [11:50]
asciilifeform: how does (2) work ? [11:50]
mircea_popescu: "we will have all keys prior to T, and add new ones on the basis of X spamtrap only" [11:50]
mircea_popescu: best of both worlds. [11:51]
asciilifeform: the other thing is, [11:51]
asciilifeform: as i currently understand, most uncommitted derps lose their old keyz ten times before breakfast every morning. [11:51]
asciilifeform: so what'd be the point of stowing the junkyard. [11:51]
mircea_popescu: yes, but for instance i want to be able to nuke some keys of some people who will not come here if it kills them. [11:52]
asciilifeform: how often does somebody show up with a '90s key here [11:52]
mircea_popescu: curtrently this is dark info. [11:52]
mircea_popescu: it shouldn't be dark info. [11:52]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the matter is not what the derp uses it for. the matter is that i want to mark specific, extant and known items. [11:52]
trinque: asciilifeform: key still identifies a point in time if it produced any signed material [11:52]
mircea_popescu: recall, the WoT is NOT!!! about the user in question. but about his deeds and their reflection. only. [11:52]
asciilifeform: what i do see, is that this'd be good insurance for the spamocalypse when we start ~demanding~, e.g., pre-2020 keys, even to be LOOKED AT [11:52]
asciilifeform: and suddenly ancient keys become sc4mz0r currency. [11:52]
mircea_popescu: there's also that lobe, as distant and sf-ish as it may sound. [11:53]
asciilifeform: imho we're nearly there even now. [11:53]
mircea_popescu: i don't currently see much value in someone bringing old unknown key rather than freshly made. [11:54]
mircea_popescu: but that aside, who knowns, mebbe. [11:54]
asciilifeform: but, handily, 'p' actually has 'if [this program evals to true] i rate [key k] [rating r]' as primitive... [11:54]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~today~ no such value. ~tomorrow~, when the ocean of shit overflows - there will be. [11:55]
mircea_popescu: and in today's breakfast helper, [11:55]
mircea_popescu: pity usagi is not here to generate some keys for later. iirc he had a service to generate long rsa keys for people. [11:56]
asciilifeform: in related nyooz, i'm putting in notice of resignation at rupture farms on monday. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: no ?! [11:56]
asciilifeform: aha. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: you're not only a stakebunny, but also a total stake slut! keep changing them. [11:57]
mircea_popescu: anyway, perhaps the next one's satisfactorily ribbed or what. [11:57]
asciilifeform: found a somewhat more modest but 'you get xxxxx done, we pay' sort of deal. [11:57]
jurov: oh, how comes no one is doing vanity rsa keys generation already? [11:57]
asciilifeform: jurov: links to one [11:57]
mircea_popescu: jurov ikr? [11:57]
asciilifeform: thing is, no sane person WANTS a vanity - that is CONSTRAINED SPACE - rsa key [11:58]
mircea_popescu: "Safety First : Do Not Fist Android Girls." [11:58]
asciilifeform: unless for specific purpose of fucking someone [11:58]
asciilifeform: in bitcoin addr there is a ~hash~ [11:58]
asciilifeform: so it is not the same. [11:58]
asciilifeform: vanity HASH is as strong as the hash algo [11:58]
asciilifeform: vanity rsa constrains your privkey space. [11:59]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but he has a point, the derp brain is memetic not rational. "the x of y" [11:59]
jurov: asciilifeform: i was in jest, but ty [11:59]
asciilifeform: but in point of fact there is a tool. [11:59]
asciilifeform: linked therein. [11:59]
mircea_popescu: yeah. i had no idea. [11:59]
deedbot: [Trilema] What's popularity look like ? - [12:00]
asciilifeform: << no leaving the house!111 [12:03]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-06 15:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, perhaps the next one's satisfactorily ribbed or what. [12:03]
mircea_popescu: no wai. [12:03]
mircea_popescu: in celebration of alf's good fortune news, [12:04]
* asciilifeform might actually resume being useful again soon. [12:05]
asciilifeform: just as well that i am leaving rupture farmz, because a few honest folks there finally informed me of what i already knew, which is that i was being 'warehoused' [12:06]
asciilifeform: (kept around for scutwork after having refused to take holy orders) [12:06]
mircea_popescu: do you tell them during interview that a) everything you agree to will have to be presented in writing b) you will not do x y or z and soo n ? [12:07]
asciilifeform: even simpler than there, they make exactly one $item and that's it. [12:08]
asciilifeform: and yeah it took a few rehashes of contract. [12:08]
asciilifeform: quite the rarity, and may be 'too good to be true' etc. [12:11]
asciilifeform: consider, 99+% of the employment in my field is raw usg. [12:11]
mircea_popescu: you need better fields. [12:13]
asciilifeform: (there is an unknown percentage, to be fair, of 'nonemployment' work also, i.e. 0day market, overlapping with the 99, but i have - as previously discussed - no 'in' to it.) [12:13]
asciilifeform: didn't we discuss the whole 'i am not voluntarily being 19 with none-of-the-upsides again' thing ? [12:14]
mircea_popescu: lol. "the sewage goes into this pond i live in" "you need to live in a better pond" "didn't we discuss the whole i'm not walking on land again thing???" [12:15]
asciilifeform: with that in mind, i am good at a reasonable breadth of things, but again 99% of the employment in them, in as far as i can access, is usg. [12:15]
mircea_popescu: well ok mr turtle, so whadda ya want then. [12:15]
asciilifeform: but i would happily help zimbabwe build its first nuke, say, if it called. [12:15]
mircea_popescu: cuz this "i want FOR X to Y" ain't a want, it's a voodoo. [12:15]
asciilifeform: but - mega-unsurprise - no calls. [12:15]
mircea_popescu: word. [12:15]
mircea_popescu: stop wanting other people to. [12:15]
mircea_popescu: it's the #1 symptom of esl-ism, and as unbefitting as it's unseemly. [12:16]
asciilifeform: well, not being a demigod like mircea_popescu , i actually rely on other people to want to. [12:16]
asciilifeform: because otherwise i dun eat. [12:16]
mircea_popescu: that's a red herring. aptly displayed on my terminal in red font. [12:17]
asciilifeform: i can't simply shit forth gold. [12:17]
mircea_popescu: EVEN MY TERMINAL KNOWS! [12:17]
mircea_popescu: that's what you get for being a terminal blessed with the daily touch of a gomided such as myself! [12:17]
asciilifeform: apparently!11 [12:17]
mircea_popescu: "who the fuck are you ?!" "TREMBLE BEFORE ME! FOR I AM TEH GOMIDED OF LYSDEXIA!" [12:18]
asciilifeform: google lysdexia [12:18]
gribble: Error: We broke The Google! [12:18]
asciilifeform: dafuq [12:18]
asciilifeform: when's the last time this worked ?! [12:18]
trinque: ^brb [12:18]
asciilifeform: botterdamerung?! [12:19]
mircea_popescu: yeah speaking of which, anyone of the botmasters, young or old, wanna make a gribble replacement ? [12:19]
trinque: mircea_popescu: which commands? [12:19]
mircea_popescu: it should do calc and google and curl |sed|awk|grep. [12:19]
trinque: crap the latter to wotpaste? [12:19]
mircea_popescu: as to the last one : that's it, one call to curl passed through whatever chain of awk/sed/grep [12:19]
mircea_popescu: so a very limited sort of bash access. [12:20]
mircea_popescu: trinque nah, just put it in here, with a 1kb limit. [12:21]
mircea_popescu: or whatever one line is, i dun recall. [12:21]
trinque: awk can shell out probably dangerous [12:21]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was surreal, last night, whole squad of folks were rubbing in 'all the fun stuff' i could do if only i agreed to join hitler's wot [12:23]
trinque: wuh oh. freenode sandstorm again? [12:28]
mircea_popescu: trinque sed and grep then ? or just parse out their shellout calls ? [12:34]
mircea_popescu: i guess that's not trivial huh. [12:34]
trinque: yeah, not to be a broken record, but had we a gossipd, I'd just give people I trust access to dangerous tools. [12:35]
trinque: as with mike_c and postgresql [12:35]
trinque: I like making use of the WoT just fine [12:35]
mircea_popescu: so something like "anyone voiced can calc and google, gotta be in lordsheep to curl ?" [12:36]
trinque: yep [12:36]
mircea_popescu: works for me. [12:36]
mircea_popescu: << yet another item they used to have in teh best soviet union. [12:39]
mircea_popescu: aaand in other newzlulz, [12:41]
mircea_popescu: and in other "internet security" lulz, [12:50]
mircea_popescu: and to go with it. [12:51]
BingoBoingo: bc,stats [13:39]
gribble: Current Blocks: 410541 | Current Difficulty: 1.7865925777252728E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 411263 | Next Difficulty In: 722 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 7 hours, 45 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [13:39]
asciilifeform: logz dead? [14:11]
mircea_popescu: are they ? [14:12]
asciilifeform: apparently [14:13]
asciilifeform: last line i see is [14:14]
mircea_popescu: confirmed. phf ? [14:14]
trinque: yeah, a111 is mia [14:15]
mircea_popescu: needs more 111s! [14:15]
mircea_popescu: and in other goops, [14:16]
trinque: $google goop [14:27]
deedbot: << Goop | A weekly lifestyle publication, curated by Gwyneth Paltrow ... | << Goop Shop | << Recipes | Recipe Categories | Goop [14:27]
trinque: mircea_popescu: ^ [14:27]
asciilifeform: May 06 12:50:33 <mircea_popescu>and in other "internet security" lulz, << what is notable about this sample ? [14:38]
mircea_popescu: that they don't fucking detect it [14:48]
mircea_popescu: and the sucuri bs also fucks up the url by lowercasing it [14:48]
mircea_popescu: ie, half-assed effort. [14:48]
mircea_popescu: sweet trinque [14:54]
mircea_popescu: that settles that. [14:58]
mircea_popescu: $google sexiest man alive [14:58]
deedbot:,,20315920,00.html << Sexiest Man Alive : | << Sexiest Man Alive |,,20957461_20967491,00.html << David Beckham is PEOPLE's Sexiest Man Alive : [14:58]
mircea_popescu: obviously, a wikipedia page. [14:58]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a very large share of the samples on vt are 'not detected' [15:10]
asciilifeform: because av is elementarily braindamaged concept [15:10]
mircea_popescu: kinda my point. [15:10]
asciilifeform: likewise a large fraction of samples on vt don't even ~run there~ [15:10]
asciilifeform: because they detect their (very easily detectable) vm, etc. [15:10]
mircea_popescu: "experts" in sticking their finger up their own ass and tasting it afterwards. [15:11]
asciilifeform: aha, and google bought for $B. [15:11]
asciilifeform: then when i and a buncha blokes opened a co that offered thing that would analyze crapware WITHOUT USING VM, that is, on ordinary x86 (but with some hardware magic), [15:12]
asciilifeform: nobody bought. [15:12]
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of "build better mouse trap" only. [15:12]
mircea_popescu: the part where you assault, arson, rape and pillage is also required. [15:13]
asciilifeform: which takes capital. [15:13]
asciilifeform: (or, i suppose, demigods) [15:13]
mircea_popescu: demigods, demiassholes, whadda hell's da difference. [15:13]
asciilifeform: whatever you want to call it, it was an elementary case of 'you made something that actually works? good for you? now eat shit and die.' vs 'yacht rat? welcome aboard, your shit is sausage here' [15:17]
mircea_popescu: notrly. [15:18]
mircea_popescu: but aaaanyway. [15:18]
asciilifeform: tip to aspiring virii authors: [15:20]
asciilifeform: vt STILL names its winblowz vm TEQUILABOOMBOOM [15:20]
asciilifeform: ~all~ of them. [15:21]
mircea_popescu: lmao. [15:21]
asciilifeform: i shit thee not. [15:23]
asciilifeform: (not that you actually ~need~ this, there are 1,001 ways to detect vm, and against 101 there are no countermeasures) [15:24]
asciilifeform: that experience is what really woke me up to the dead-endity of the field [15:27]
asciilifeform: (i.e. the only folks seriously willing to pay for serious crapware analysis are usg and cn, and i'm not in either's wot) [15:28]
asciilifeform: which in turn is logical, being that these are the 2 large orgs stuck on, each for its own strange reasons, winblowz [15:29]
mircea_popescu: quite. [15:30]
mircea_popescu: the third party that's interested is only interested in raping them, and generally does not believe in employees. [15:30]
asciilifeform: or in contractors, consultants, pretty much any work-for-money arrangement [15:31]
mircea_popescu: aha. make your own holes. [15:32]
asciilifeform: and what kind of luser works anyway!1111 winnerz eat from their 10,000 heads of cattle and rent from the baronial landz!11111111111 [15:34]
mircea_popescu: make your own holes. [15:34]
asciilifeform: speaking of drilling fuckable openings, the 'oss' thread appears to be wholly dead. [15:40]
mircea_popescu: doh. [15:40]
asciilifeform: just as mircea_popescu said, it was a pointless exercise. [15:40]
mircea_popescu: where's the kaiser discussion. [15:41]
mircea_popescu: [15:41]
asciilifeform: [15:41]
asciilifeform: ah yeah. [15:41]
mircea_popescu: had you said something THEY COULD HAVE USED, they would have. as you said nothing that makes them any better, it never happened. [15:41]
mircea_popescu: waste of your time. [15:41]
mircea_popescu: and this is exactly how it goes with "we just want to ask you a few questions", which is why you don't talk to the police, and everything else. [15:42]
asciilifeform: at this point even cocker spaniel knows that 'no good comes from talking to cop, even in principle' [15:44]
mircea_popescu: nobody is going to go "oh i am so impressed by the unexpected arguments this young chap has espoused on the internet, i'm going to now change my priors" anymore than you're going to go "o hey, the irc has convinced me, i am now finally moving out of the us". people've made their life choices, and that's that, reality exists only to either promote their personal stupidity or otherwise be ignored as best it can. [15:44]
asciilifeform: it occasionally does happen that somebody gets pushed into cognitive dissonance mode and spews chunks upon encountering undigestible fact [15:45]
mircea_popescu: true. [15:45]
mircea_popescu: but age and poverty better predictors than intelligence, for that behaviour [15:45]
mircea_popescu: intelligence is counterpredictive, and education counterpredictive^3.5 [15:45]
asciilifeform: happens to young and old alike [15:45]
asciilifeform: and i don't see the stupid being more likely to conform to fact than anyone else [15:46]
mircea_popescu: just some empirical observations. possibru useless. [15:46]
mircea_popescu: certainly useless in any individual case, which is the bane of statistics. [15:47]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu seems to idealize the poor and stupid because - i suppose - when they come with cunts, those work just as well as any other cunt [15:49]
asciilifeform: but in any other context they have no redeeming value whatsoever [15:49]
asciilifeform: and aren't any kind of good company. [15:49]
asciilifeform: i'd rather train seals. [15:50]
mircea_popescu: this may be true. [15:55]
mircea_popescu: are usure tho, that nothing in this world reduces to cunt physio-anatomy, everything else is special and distinct from cunt ? [15:56]
asciilifeform: i obviously can't speak for mircea_popescu , but personally even cunt is not a get-out-of-biodiesel-free card as far as i'm concerned. [16:26]
asciilifeform: the bovine has exactly 2 uses: [16:27]
asciilifeform: 1) milk [16:27]
asciilifeform: 2) meat. [16:27]
asciilifeform: (there was once a (3) - plow, but i prefer tractor) [16:27]
asciilifeform: i suppose i omitted leather. [16:33]
trinque: how many humans is enough to own an earth? [16:34]
asciilifeform: ? [16:34]
trinque: it's relevant. [16:34]
trinque: losing females is more costly to population than losing males [16:34]
trinque: said the sexual dynamics of everything ever [16:35]
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg [16:35]
asciilifeform: trinque: what's it mean to 'own an earth' ? [16:37]
asciilifeform: quit [16:43]
asciilifeform: argh [16:43]
* asciilifeform bbl [16:43]
trinque: it means to have your species as the dominant predatory species in a given area [16:53]
trinque: rather, not area, the desirable parts of the whole earth [16:54]
trinque: I don't particularly mind the fact that, having covered the whole habitable earth, we killed off most of the species that used to eat us. [16:54]
trinque: whether or not this peasantry is undesirable, I think having the land occupied by humans has benefits. [16:56]
trinque: how many humans on earth does it take to raise an army worth a shit? obviously there is not a single answer to that question because then the other guy gets n+1 and it runs away until you're back at now. [16:58]
trinque: this idea that we depopulate the earth down to a million individuals or something is not unlike the nerd fantasy that he'd really like his brain to live in a jar in some robot than in his body [16:58]
trinque: how many humans does it take to own a solar system? [17:00]
jurov: planning a family? [17:02]
trinque: lol [17:03]
trinque: incidentally, the WoT may be the only social system capable of operating at the scale of a planetary system. [17:07]
phf: pretty safe bet, if a111 is missing, logs dead, but no worries they are still being recored with my bouncer. i'm almost done with a better logger, that reconnects. will take it live over the weekend [18:10]
mircea_popescu: trinque why's more than a coupla needed ? [19:20]
mircea_popescu: trinque> whether or not this peasantry is undesirable, I think having the land occupied by humans has benefits. << depends, dude. argentina would be certainly better if current population got wiped. [19:22]
mircea_popescu: so would bakersfield or the whole state of pennsylvania [19:22]
mircea_popescu: the one thing agar jars produce consistently is failure. human population no better than random chunk of bacteria in this regard. [19:24]
danielpbarron: oh hey alikim you figured it out? [19:49]
alikim: so scream much energy... I found that key on another computer [19:52]
danielpbarron: $ v23F111CBE45F138425CD8023C5A3E2D289F04C0CEEE0A561846745F05D0A1531 [19:54]
danielpbarron: $v 23F111CBE45F138425CD8023C5A3E2D289F04C0CEEE0A561846745F05D0A1531 [19:54]
deedbot: danielpbarron rated alikim 1 << Euloran who likes to hack the client on winbl0wz [19:54]
danielpbarron: $gettrust deedbot alikim [19:55]
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections. [19:55]
alikim: I don't like it, it's necessity [19:55]
danielpbarron: it what, winbl0wz? [19:56]
alikim: no in what kind of shit the client is [19:56]
danielpbarron: oh hah, yeh [19:56]
danielpbarron: but you like the on winbl0wz part [19:57]
alikim: ideal client would be a console app, it doesn't need 3d engine or visuals [19:57]
danielpbarron: yes! plz write! [19:57]
danielpbarron: although that won't always be true, but certainly for the time being all that's needed is a console [19:58]
alikim: I need to dig into how to run a copy of geometry on the client and that's too much for me, otherwise I could reuse network classes from the package and other stuff [19:58]
alikim: was tempting though [19:58]
mircea_popescu: alikim good for you eh! [20:01]
alikim: which part? [20:02]
mircea_popescu: the recouping your key. [20:02]
mircea_popescu: alikim> ideal client would be a console app, it doesn't need 3d engine or visuals << word. jurov was sort-of working on this, actually. [20:02]
mircea_popescu: but yes, i support the notion. [20:02]
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no reason eulora can't have roguelike interface. [20:03]
alikim: I have 4 computers and a life and I live with normal people, if you go on them like "I lost my pgp key, I lost my life" they suggest you visit a doctor.. or get laid and drunk in any order [20:03]
mircea_popescu: alikim i have a life and 5 live-in slavegirls. lost track of how many actual computers, but prolly close to a megawatt any given day. yet if i said "o btw i lost my key" i think everyone'd just stop breathing. [20:04]
alikim: different environment [20:04]
mircea_popescu: apparently. [20:04]
alikim: and priorities [20:04]
mircea_popescu: possibly. [20:04]
mircea_popescu: weren't you all about teh money ? \ [20:04]
alikim: I am, why? [20:05]
mircea_popescu: not that different. [20:05]
mircea_popescu: << scroll down for my business card pic :D [20:06]
alikim: I believe all my programming endevours will pay off [20:06]
alikim: money-wise [20:06]
mircea_popescu: likely. [20:06]
mircea_popescu: programming has for a long time been talent starved likely to continue indefinitely and you're certainly talented. [20:06]
alikim: besides I'm curious so yeah sotimes I do something extra [20:07]
mircea_popescu: not particularly cultivated, i don't think, looks sort-of alcatel / self-trained level, but that's not really relevant. [20:07]
alikim: that card doesn't say much [20:09]
mircea_popescu: name and key. all it needs to say! [20:09]
alikim: You have younger hands that I'd expect [20:10]
mircea_popescu: o.O [20:10]
mircea_popescu: i'm not THAT old. [20:10]
alikim: I thought it's gonna be hairy sousage like fingers with heavy golden ring [20:11]
mircea_popescu: aww! [20:11]
alikim: hm... correcting mental image... [20:11]
asciilifeform: i bet alikim picture mircea_popescu on a 'harley' even. [21:03]
asciilifeform: just picture, sausage finger, german helmet, on his 'hog' ! [21:10]
asciilifeform: later tell mircea_popescu 17126/38479 1272349/1298527 [21:20]
asciilifeform: uh [21:20]
asciilifeform: no moar gribble ?? [21:20]
trinque: dunno what's going on with it, but I plan on deedbot eating its useful methods [21:22]
trinque: got the $google one in there today, will do others during next week [21:22]
asciilifeform: trinque: neato [21:22]
trinque: asciilifeform: can you think of a reason why passing $calc back to bc would be dangerous? [21:23]
trinque: I didn't see that the thing can shell out [21:23]
trinque: but plan on looking at it moar [21:23]
asciilifeform: iirc it can't shell but can infinite loop. [21:24]
asciilifeform: don't host it on the missile control box. [21:25]
trinque: yep, gonna stand up a disposable box for this kind of thing [21:26]
trinque: can probably wrap the call to bc in some shell script that kills it after x seconds [21:27]
danielpbarron: later tell worked for me a coupla hours ago turns out nubbins` intends to return my t-shirt payment [21:32]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i forget, did you ever give me a place to send shirts to [21:33]
asciilifeform: quite possibly you did and it got lost [21:33]
danielpbarron: ya, you were gonna get me a quote on shipping cost [21:33]
asciilifeform: resend plox [21:33]
danielpbarron: [21:33]
asciilifeform: ty [21:33]
asciilifeform: got it. [21:34]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: message did not say how many you need [21:35]
danielpbarron: a dozen or whatever fits in a reasonable box [21:35]
asciilifeform: worx [21:36]
asciilifeform: unrelated lulz, [21:36]
asciilifeform: [21:36]
asciilifeform: (via kako) [21:36]
asciilifeform: 'The /bin vs /usr/bin split (and all the others) is an artifact of this, a 1970's implementation detail that got carried forward for decades by bureaucrats who never question _why_ they're doing things. It stopped making any sense before Linux was ever invented, for multiple reasons...' [21:36]
asciilifeform: 'Standards bureaucracies like the Linux Foundation (which consumed the Free Standards Group in its' ever-growing accretion disk years ago) happily document and add to this sort of complexity without ever trying to understand why it was there in the first place. 'Ken and Dennis leaked their OS into the equivalent of home because an RK05 disk pack on the PDP-11 was too small" goes whoosh over their heads.' [21:37]
mod6: :] [22:34]
mod6: had a good laugh about all of this craig stuff lately. [22:35]
mod6: well, havnen't we all. [22:35]
mod6: anyway, what else is up? [22:35]
mod6: "i deleted my gpg key" wth, this isn't super mario bros, bro. [22:39]
* mod6 crosses eyes [22:40]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i silenced it getting upgraded. [23:07]
mircea_popescu: Known Moduli: 2073847 [23:19]
mircea_popescu: [23:19]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-06 02:55 a111: Logged on 2016-05-06 02:06 mircea_popescu: ah, no Known Moduli: 2018943. vs 2mn earlier today... so it ~is~ actually doing more like 20-30k/24 hrs ? [23:19]
* mircea_popescu recalls the good auld days of :D [23:20]
a111: Logged on 2015-04-29 18:59 mircea_popescu: Submissions: 3930 Known Moduli: 6642 [23:20]
mircea_popescu: so about 55k done in 25 hours. [23:20]
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