Forum logs for 06 Apr 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
asciilifeform: in other noose : 52 minutes for complete kernel build for rockchip, on itself. [00:26]
asciilifeform: which imho is notbad. [00:27]
mircea_popescu: indeed. [01:50]
deedbot: << Qntra - Duterte Receives Support From Russia And China As USG.STATE Spurns Another Longtime Ally [11:18]
deedbot: << Qntra - Intel Kills Internet Of Shit Remote Management App After Realizing Security Model Broken [11:34]
asciilifeform: !!up MDude [13:01]
deedbot: MDude voiced for 30 minutes. [13:01]
MDude: Now to remember the thing I was going to say roughly five seconds before joining the channel. [13:06]
BingoBoingo: Who is your daddy and what does he do? [13:08]
MDude: Hey, I'm a police offic-*rining from my concealed earpiece:"SHIT, DAMNIT, HE'S TRYING TO TRICK YOU."* [13:15]
MDude: Anyway, I think there were a few things I was thinking of for a bit, one of them being gopher:// . [13:16]
ben_vulpes: a gopher link, how retro-hip [13:17]
asciilifeform: this, i think, is a first [13:22]
MDude: Yeah, if that manages to go anywhwere, it'd be neat if making your own gopher browser and server would be a part of it. [13:24]
trinque: what brings you MDude, other than itchy-stump need for in-group signaling? [13:25]
phf: oblig [13:26]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same [13:26]
TomServo: I fell down the gopherhole after phf mentioned it.. came across a pseudo-tmsr 'bitreich'. [13:32]
trinque: !!up MDude [13:34]
deedbot: MDude voiced for 30 minutes. [13:34]
trinque: MDude: don't pm me I don't know you [13:34]
trinque: last chance to say something that isn't word salad. [13:34]
asciilifeform: TomServo: lol, just how comically idiot was the parody-tmsr ? do they use dsa keys, kept in keybase ? their mp is bulgarian ? their linux -- rathead ? [13:34]
phf: asciilifeform: [13:35]
phf: they are more of a suckless spinoff [13:35]
TomServo: asciilifeform: perhaps I've been too generous... perhaps.. phf has it. [13:35]
asciilifeform: 'The gopher onion initiative started.' << lol! [13:36]
asciilifeform: ( from 'chronology' pg ) [13:36]
asciilifeform: good bit of uniturd orcacola glypholade in this supposed 'suckless' www. [13:37]
trinque: well christ, they have a manifesto right there at the top. [13:38]
trinque: heil bitler [13:38]
asciilifeform: << >> [13:39]
lobbes: " [13:39]
lobbes: These principles can change, based on the consent of the bitreich elite. " oh. Okay. Phew [13:39]
lobbes: Daw, they even got their own freenode channels. [13:40]
TomServo: Yup, they are not interesting. [13:40]
trinque: #bitreich-cooking [13:40]
TomServo: I expect MP will love "Software should be written for programmers, which means the code is the documentation," [13:42]
TomServo: Wasn't that the power ranger response to MP request to specify bitcoin? [13:43]
phf: asciilifeform: all these projects are plan9 cargo cults, so there's always going to be utf-8 [13:46]
mircea_popescu: is plan9 somehow deeply related to unicrap, or is it rather they're the sort of geeky dweebs unlikely to ~not~ swallow the imperial hook all the way to the sinker ? [13:47]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plan9 was the full syphilitic bloom of 'second system disease' of the unix authors [13:48]
phf: mircea_popescu: utf-8 specifically was invented by rob pike for plan9 [13:48]
phf: [13:49]
mircea_popescu: o hey, i didn't know that. [13:49]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for your peace of mind, i intend to publish qntra report once mpex proxies back online, seems rather silly otherwise. not forgotten or mothballed or anything. [13:50]
phf: /rob pike/ken thompson/ [13:50]
mircea_popescu: i always thought plan9 is this hipster wankish thing didn't realise it played the role of noldbug ie official-inca-alternative-for-smart-retards [13:51]
asciilifeform: it did -- in 1990s. today afaik mostly buried and fertilizing that forest from below [13:53]
mircea_popescu: check that out, doods who can promise monday delivery for utf-8 on wednesday night, AND THEN DELIVER IT MONDAY. but what they spend their time is utf. holy hell that place. [13:53]
phf: MDude: are you c-keen? [13:55]
MDude: No. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: lol bitreich. [13:56]
mircea_popescu: "we". what fucking "we." [13:57]
MDude: I've just gone by MDude/MDude1350 most places until recently, when I started taking up the handle Meticulac. [13:57]
asciilifeform: << asciilifeform's head association with 'c keen' [13:58]
mircea_popescu: MDude "most places" is not something. stop giving summaries, stop talking around the point. either produce something specific or stfu. [13:58]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 98% ? that's... impressive. [13:58]
phf: asciilifeform: [13:59]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha i though that was a metaphore. [14:01]
MDude: I was answering the question, but if you want to see what other specific places I've been there's . [14:01]
mircea_popescu: MDude things you've done is a point of interest. places you've been... unless you have naked chicks in the streets of the czech republic / parks of buenos aires / dunes of egypt etc, no. [14:01]
mircea_popescu: "Home to 146,998 users Who authored 5,033,248" << whoa, this is way the fuck tinier than previously realised. for ALL. THE. NOISE. people have been making about how it's "up and coming" since at least 2-3 years ago... [14:03]
mircea_popescu: << it's like a whitepaper see, except on gopher all paper is white. [14:05]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:38 trinque: well christ, they have a manifesto right there at the top. [14:05]
asciilifeform: in other noose, 'rockchip' turns out is a completely usable and clean gentoo station. can be used as workstation also, if not in a hurry. ( running 100% asciilifeform-recipe gentoo, albeit not musltronic running also self-built kernel no eggogs, hiccups, good disk access times. the 1 item not yet built with own hands: uboot init thing ) [14:13]
asciilifeform: also learned that there exists a rockchip laptop, of sorts, 'asus c101pa', but i do not have one here , if someone has the time/inclination he can try it. [14:14]
danielpbarron: !!rate trinque 2 deedbot maintainer [14:24]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [14:24]
danielpbarron: !!v 3BABC480263E30575E526C762D1FAD2DCD10B18ABFEED59ABA7FE6B951F331AE [14:26]
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of trinque from 1 to 2 << deedbot maintainer [14:26]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the lulzy tales : late last night i went into girl's room cuz i couldn't sleep and wanted to play. she was asleep. she woke up startled, and then i could see panic grip her. and i was you know, all "don't worry baby, you're not in trouble, there's nothing wrong" and she was looking at me with these big and growing eyes and turning progressively whiteer. [14:28]
mircea_popescu: eventually she was awake enough to remember ~she had put earplugs in~ because went to sleep while place still active, and ~that was why~ she couldn't hear a word i was saying. [14:28]
danielpbarron: !!rate mod6 4 pizarro isp, bitcoin foundation [14:28]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [14:28]
danielpbarron: !!v 50ADBC968EC616580B82F8AFD912E796BEA696844B33B54BB73936FCDE7339F9 [14:30]
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of mod6 from 3 to 4 << pizarro isp, bitcoin foundation [14:30]
danielpbarron: !!rate BingoBoingo 3 pizarro isp, qntra chief editor [14:31]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [14:31]
danielpbarron: !!v 790DF80AC138CD35C12C4F8A796A0275B384770CF8510D2B4C69223F0D3A8DE8 [14:33]
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of BingoBoingo from 2 to 3 << pizarro isp, qntra chief editor [14:33]
ave1:, yes I realized last night, I've been working on fixing it. I found the first problem, now onto the next (etc.) [14:35]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 20:22 asciilifeform: ave1: your gnat builder barfs 40 minutes in, incidentally, with the following death : ( last n lines ) [14:35]
danielpbarron: !!rate hanbot 4 lighting the fire under republican asses [14:35]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [14:35]
BingoBoingo: << Kinda what I figured. I remember last time the proxies went on strike there were forensics involved. Most of my worries atm concern being surrounded by the sort of Rustic so called salt of the earth Italians that they put in the background of Gringo tourism marketing [14:37]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:50 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for your peace of mind, i intend to publish qntra report once mpex proxies back online, seems rather silly otherwise. not forgotten or mothballed or anything. [14:37]
ave1: btw, turns out AdaCore have implemented support for crapple IOS (arm 64 + macho) in their gcc, this cannot be found in fsf gcc's. But needs #ifs and #ifdefs, one line was #ifdef MACHO_TARGET, but should have been #if. [14:37]
ave1: macho -> mach-o [14:38]
mircea_popescu: lmao [14:38]
danielpbarron: !!v D839A92777D9E2704A7D07BC0B17666D9D6385F98EE7B69A4178AA5EFED86414 [14:38]
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of hanbot from 3 to 4 << lighting the fire under republican asses [14:38]
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, lma-o [14:38]
danielpbarron: !!rate esthlos 2 met for sushi [14:39]
asciilifeform: ave1: abolishing the standard library would make it quite painless to port gnat to anything to which gcc already has a backend. but as it is, the existence of crappla gnat doesn't help us any, the abi is completely different [14:39]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [14:39]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Battery life on the rockchip portable looks VERY appealing [14:41]
danielpbarron: !!v 36010E95C24B73DA9130FEF7175ACF7593F0CD6461538209A990DF703CBA80F3 [14:42]
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of esthlos from 3 to 2 << met for sushi [14:42]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: keep in mind that the figure claimed concerns the included turdroid or whatever it comes with. in practice we do not know whether proper linux would work similarly. somebody will have to try. [14:42]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The figure claimed leaves lots of room for comfort [14:43]
ave1: asciilifeform, yes I know, I've not tried to separate AdaCore's ada from AdaCore's gcc backend (to FSF gcc backend). AdaCore's gcc backend has significant canges from FSF. As this would be an interesting experiment, I will put it on the list (other thing to do, is put Ada 2017 on top of gcc 4.9.4 instead of 7.x) [14:43]
BingoBoingo: Also apparently Uruguay has tornados now [14:43]
BingoBoingo: Last one here was in 2016 out in Rocha where the lobos marinos live [14:44]
deedbot: << Trilema - Medicine Tactics [15:09]
trinque: wahaha, that's pretty good. [15:13]
TomServo: I can't believe I guessed correctly what she meant before the reveal. Namespace dyslexia somehow clued me. [15:17]
ben_vulpes: #bitreich-en derping endlessly about with xml [15:31]
mircea_popescu: o this is a thing ? [15:34]
ben_vulpes: aha [15:34]
mircea_popescu: o look, bitreich con! [15:35]
mircea_popescu: bwahaha. [15:35]
ben_vulpes: called our logs "insane" and "good source of entropy" if you can imagine the cheek [15:35]
hanbot: latest in mp-wp saga: spyked's patch on vtools let me gpr build the phf's patcher and vdiff, latter of which made a genesis, former of which dies on pressing wiff: [15:35]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how'd they have seen such logs ? [15:36]
ben_vulpes: i linked 'em [15:36]
mircea_popescu: is c-keen character the candidate mp i nthe space then ? [15:36]
ben_vulpes: __20h__ parades as such [15:37]
ben_vulpes: "This is forbidden and will be punished." in response to my asking if they kept logs [15:37]
asciilifeform: == 'only usg logs us, and we like it' ? [15:38]
ben_vulpes: yeah effectively. [15:38]
mircea_popescu: hey, what do kids know. [15:38]
BingoBoingo: How many men has the bitreich sent south to carve out their safe space? [15:39]
mircea_popescu: "<Evil_Bob> C-Keen: read the fucking backlog, im not going to repeat myself" lol. perhaps the idea is that one's required to maintain connection as a show of loyalty. a soert of "mining" if you will. [15:39]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes my read is that __20h__ is ~bob beck in the outfit. [15:40]
mircea_popescu: the way dept of state "think tanks" imagine creating "moderate rebel" leadership works is you have a fake one to protect the real one like a skirting. [15:40]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it strikes me how strictly identical to early urbit this thing is. same sort of socialist revolution aggitated "building the future" can barely contain selves on chair sorta vibe. [15:42]
mircea_popescu: << a yeah, codemadness dood is there. [15:45]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:35 phf: they are more of a suckless spinoff [15:45]
mircea_popescu: for archival lulz. [15:47]
mircea_popescu: << lolz. teh usg is very, very affraid, made EVEN COOLER alt-tmsr!!! it'll work as well as all the cooler bitcoins it made to date NO DOUBT1!11 [15:51]
ben_vulpes: aaand a doubleban [15:52]
ben_vulpes: << logs from before mircea_popescu showed up [15:52]
mircea_popescu: pretty sure they know who we are, in the very strict sense of "i've spent my past six months having nightmares with these doods" [15:52]
BingoBoingo: Well, scared enough Bloomberg is hailing the arrival of Soros to "crypto" today [15:54]
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's amusing how still very much applies. so basically what, they're going to fragment the republic into little irrelevant shards full of really stuborn / ingroup-loyal otakus as a path to survival ? lulzk. [15:55]
mircea_popescu: this bright okhrana idea resulted in a very shot tsar. [15:56]
BingoBoingo: It worked when they did it to the black panthers [15:56]
mircea_popescu: the black panthers were black. [15:56]
BingoBoingo: Punchline [15:56]
asciilifeform: 'we'll breed 9000 mircea_popescus out of fungal broth and no one will ever find his way to the original one! genius' [15:57]
mircea_popescu: the problem with idiocy is that once you go there you kinda become captive. they actually imagine the situation is ~i~ need more people, not the other fucking way around. because "headcount is everything" hurr durr. [15:58]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'we'll breed 9000 mircea_popescus out of fungal broth and no one will ever find his way to the original one! genius' << Part of what keeping the blog counters [15:58]
mircea_popescu: anyway, gotta do more work on the camouflage, by the time i can get "status is nothing" aka "we are just as pantsuit as any other pantsuit outfit" within five lines... [16:00]
mircea_popescu: but in other news of about same importance and entertainment value, kingdom rush frontiers from ironhide games is fucking amiga hard. holy hell what have these people done! [16:01]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every single, without exception, cave of urbit/suckmore/etc 'neets' that's been dug up so far, smells ~exactly the same to me . and imho neither surprising nor really avoidable, this is rather like those squirrels that live in american cities, that eat garbage, who is surprised that they all have scurvy in same way [16:04]
mircea_popescu: << lmao. because children imagine "being a programmer" is having magical powers. somehow "being a cook" doesn't come in their head with a "food automatically makes itself around you", on the basis of direct experience with the mcdonalds fries counter. but "programmer" still means you magically intuit what the shit idiotic assumptions every mcdonalds employee baked into the "codebase". [16:05]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:42 TomServo: I expect MP will love "Software should be written for programmers, which means the code is the documentation," [16:05]
asciilifeform: these folx eat nothing at all but 'anglosphere' [16:05]
mircea_popescu: im not so directly convinced that is the problem, seeing how you should see the latinas. they eat nothing but spanglosphere, and it's ~similar. [16:05]
asciilifeform: the operative item is not which-sphere, but that they live on one another's shit [16:06]
mircea_popescu: yes but then you look at the "right" as understood in the us, weirdo fringe groups built around "religion" in the sense of charismatic personality, and they're in no sense different EITHER. [16:06]
asciilifeform: 0 connection with actual human intellectual tradition, complete innocence of philosophy/mathematics/history(of any period whatsoever) [16:07]
asciilifeform: ... and exactly the same, for this exact reason [16:07]
asciilifeform: they're africans, of whatever colour. [16:07]
mircea_popescu: yes, im starting to suspect that's the key. "los pueblos sin historia son condenados al fracaso". [16:08]
mircea_popescu: it's not that "the programming language without recursion hasn't been found yet". is that it's not possible to have one. replace history and society in there, same deal. [16:08]
mircea_popescu: no reflective logs ~= dead. [16:09]
asciilifeform: catch one and plug'im into the mains, and you'll find out many surprises, e.g. that mathematics 'is what the calculator does', philosophy is 'something to do with genders of transgressed boundaries or somesuch poppycock', history 'i went to school like errybody else and learned how we allied with germany against ussr' (actual quote from americaness asciilifeform actually fucked) and i could continue butwhy. [16:09]
mircea_popescu: what'd pantsuitism be without its superficialism. [16:10]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform star trek philosophy is, after all (as iirc you aptly pointed out), "everyone wears this pantsuit". thassit. [16:11]
asciilifeform: well also it had the admixture of protestant 'propriety' and (for lack of fitting word)... ordnung [16:11]
asciilifeform: butyes. [16:11]
mircea_popescu: nobody ever fucks the bridge bunnies, huh. [16:12]
asciilifeform: wassat [16:12]
mircea_popescu: girls with no speaking parts [16:13]
mircea_popescu: like the white girls in blacksploitation media products, there to impart status upon the "noble barbarians:" [16:13]
mircea_popescu: notably, bridget fonda's role in this world. (she gets shot in the stomach for it, most satisfyingly.) [16:14]
mircea_popescu: << is it just me not comprehending how there can be two "g"ccs ? [16:23]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 18:37 ave1: btw, turns out AdaCore have implemented support for crapple IOS (arm 64 + macho) in their gcc, this cannot be found in fsf gcc's. But needs #ifs and #ifdefs, one line was #ifdef MACHO_TARGET, but should have been #if. [16:23]
asciilifeform: forks [16:40]
mircea_popescu: but why call it gcc if you don't aim to actually bury rms's folly ? [16:43]
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's exactly ZERO discussion of this anywhere. major, undeclared fork passing uncommented for what, a decade ? is this the level of "rational" idiocy in these muppets ? [16:44]
asciilifeform: next could ask, why call it champagne if it never saw france [16:44]
mircea_popescu: 100% of all discussion on the subject is our logs [16:44]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it gets 'better' : 9000 forks, of various degrees of 'declared', many also pissing on gpl and distributing either closed turds, or turd + source and the latter on examination does not build . pestilential in embedded world [16:46]
asciilifeform: not small fry, either, but major vendors, philips, toshiba, hitachi, many others, who sell 100mils/chips/yr , for which the only compiler is... one of these [16:48]
mircea_popescu: well, i guess we'll have to have a terminology standard then. how about this : fsf = "a little coven of pantsuit retards defined by loyalty to rms and no further characteristics", ie fsf is about on the level of importance of "starslatecodex" gnu = "symbol with no concrete reference, sometimes used as g- or gnu- prefix by marketeers exacly like the string 'super-'" open = "group of usg wreckers working on perpetuating the [16:48]
mircea_popescu: principles of usg diffusely outside of,, and other enummerable badness". that about work ? [16:48]
asciilifeform: fsf long ago dessicated corpse, with ~zero influence on anything [16:49]
mircea_popescu: right. [16:49]
asciilifeform: they're a sort of mausoleum, with the small detail that their lenin is still, in a way, alive [16:49]
asciilifeform: but 'human mushroom' [16:49]
mircea_popescu: it could be "one dood's blog", if rms could ever muster enough cogency to keep a blog. but in fact, it's a loose association of conference-goers. for the same money they could be a "polyamory club" or w/e. [16:49]
mircea_popescu: !!up DaSancho [16:50]
deedbot: DaSancho voiced for 30 minutes. [16:50]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "but vendors could never distribute meaningless source, the million eyes of the community would spot it and things would happen!" [16:52]
deedbot: << Qntra - Failed Millenial Boxer Beats Bus With Barricade [16:55]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not even clear to me that eben moglen (note, not rms) gpl experiment , i.e. 'use copyrasty against itself', worked for a short while ( to naked eye it would seem that it did, bsd routines got subsumed into microshit, gnu -- not , but there ~are~ alternative plausible explanations that don't involve 'fear of gpl violation' ) [16:58]
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece about how troobelievers in 'rule of law' will set themselves up into ridiculously doomed situations, where they fixate on some technicality, like changing their names to punctuation marks or somesuch, that Will Surely Crash The System [16:59]
mircea_popescu: i do not believe the cleverness worked moreover, this instant example aside, i have TONS of example of exactly the same "cleverness" NOT working against the empire, all the way down to [17:00]
asciilifeform: 'sovereign citizens' iirc [17:00]
mircea_popescu: this is akin to the notion that redskins would have used treaties to opress white settlers. bitch, really ? [17:00]
asciilifeform: noshit, exactly same [17:01]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed. the broad box this falls into is "accepting the structure but debating the results". once you've eaten up the premises, what the fuck cartoonish "ha-HAA!" can you possibly expect, jesus fuck, 12 year olds moving about freely. [17:01]
mircea_popescu: but, nothing's easier than selling unprincipled exceptions to comfort seekers. [17:02]
mircea_popescu: in fact, the whole fucking discipline of zek/cattle handing is based on this fundamental rule. [17:02]
mircea_popescu: so, no, i don't expect moglen's "one weird trick" worked or could have worked, nor do i expect moglen is, intellectually speaking, old enough to decide whom to fuck. [17:03]
asciilifeform: the other interesting bit ( tho naggum treated it better than i have the stamina to ) is how gcc set back the compiler field by, perhaps , decades, by playing the 'dun matter how complex, so long as theoretically 'open' ' game [17:10]
mircea_popescu: it's funny how this is an exact implementation of the political concept of "filibuster". [17:12]
asciilifeform: a 500k-loc ( ignoring even for a moment the far greater heft of 'modern' wonders ) c/cpp proggy is, for all intents and purposes, closed-source, even if every line is published, because it is quite impossible for anyone -- even author -- to get a proper grip on its behaviour space [17:12]
mircea_popescu: the equivalent would be a "very good compiler -- it either compiles or never finishes, so it can't be said it ever encountered an error. drop your compile error rate to 0% with our new technology". [17:12]
asciilifeform: now add to this, autoconf, 'libraries', the idjit os... [17:12]
mircea_popescu: except here it's "not closed in the sense of we don't give you text to read but open in the sense we give you an endless stream to read" [17:13]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. [17:13]
mircea_popescu: but see, here's how it latches into imperial systematic child abuse : the esltards are brought up to think their own limits are shameful, and consequently... "nobody dared" point out that he, personally, can not read the source provided, and THEREFORE, for ~this reason~, it has NOT BEEN PROVIDED. [17:14]
mircea_popescu: they dare say this to me, "oh, trilema is too hard to read, i'm not reading it". that part, yes. they however do not say it in the one direction where it belongs said : "the source you published is too long for me to comfortably read, therefore you are in breach of your obligation fix it or ima burn down your shack." [17:15]
asciilifeform: consider , for instance, when was the last time you saw a ( heathen ) patch that ~subtracted~ bulk [17:16]
mircea_popescu: and it is EXACTLY child abuse. some people take five year olds and teach them how to take penis up their asshole. usg takes five year olds and teaches them to be ashamed of saying "i, therefore", and affraid of saying "this is too much to read". [17:16]
mircea_popescu: i never saw such a patch (then again i am not a major patch reader>) [17:16]
asciilifeform: i never once have seen such. [17:16]
asciilifeform: ~have~ read plenty of iterated revisions of mathematical work where (sometimes over ~years~) author succeeded in making proof shorter [17:17]
asciilifeform: but nuffin afaik post-'95 or so [17:17]
mircea_popescu: the large problem is that, generally unbeknownst to the victims of usg child abuse, they are actually not fit for any kind of intellectual work anymore, nor will ever be. [17:18]
phf: << i'm moving too slow, please wait till tomorrow for me to push the regrind with fixes. if you can give me that version of mp-wp.vpatch unsigned that would be helpful [17:19]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 19:35 hanbot: latest in mp-wp saga: spyked's patch on vtools let me gpr build the phf's patcher and vdiff, latter of which made a genesis, former of which dies on pressing wiff: [17:19]
mircea_popescu: much like the kid who spent his preteen years sewing footballs for nike is never going to be a great pianist. [17:19]
* asciilifeform remembers , as a teenager, seeing a win95-afflicted box with a rotting hdd, losing 2-3% of all sectors and... thing still boots, still functions, ~why?~ , what was all that crapola ~for~ [17:19]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this line is shakier i have seen good cars missing a few % of the parts through locals' insane notions of maintenance, still running. "what were they for ?" well, it's like this : the cost for the car to run is X, built out of x1...xn costs to do various itemized portions of "to run". if cost xi is due to components Ci1...Cim, should Cij fail, its slack will probably be picked up by the rest (often, in some so [17:22]
mircea_popescu: rt of pyramidal arrangement, picked up for ever more), but the xi will INCREASE (mostly because the "cost to run" now also includes wear and tear of parts not designed to wear and tear in that way. [17:22]
mircea_popescu: so at an increase of operating cost, unmaintained complex machinery continues to function. [17:22]
mircea_popescu: you could have a much simpler car, of course, but X would be proportionately larger. which is why no 1918 car can compete with modern cars in terms of say fuel economy. [17:22]
asciilifeform: well i did not mean in the sense of how the good doktor shiro ishii discovered that man can 'run for a while' with no stomach [17:23]
mircea_popescu: consider actual example : as i said at some point i bought used bmw. you might know or not, but these engines actually have a GEARBOX for the fan aspirating air to cool the radiator. this particular engine's gearbox for the fan was shot, resulting in a fan so weak you could stop it with finger (properly maintained, it's so strong as to snap a finger off). therte's a... special 2nd line fan system for this situation, and car w [17:25]
mircea_popescu: as running that almost non stop, resulting in too much current draw, resulting in ac bringing available power too low, resulting in battery not getting enough etc. [17:25]
asciilifeform: but of actual dross. e.g. most of what glibc gloms on to every executable, never executes, these are bits you can flip with impunity [17:25]
mircea_popescu: car ran fine. and would have ran fine like this for however many mn kms, at the cost of having to change the battery 3x more often than per design [17:25]
mircea_popescu: ie, maybe 0.2 cents a km. [17:25]
mircea_popescu: all this is calculable. [17:25]
asciilifeform: right, and i also once met a d00d who calculated that it is cheaper to fill his hydraulic fluid tank weekly for several yrs, than to fix the leak [17:26]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, i think we touched briefly in here on the advantage of physical systems, and how they could be tested back when they were still used, over digitalisms. [17:27]
asciilifeform: but in that case it can be debated whether he is still using 'the same machine' as he bought, or a 'new', africanized one [17:27]
mircea_popescu: hey, cheaper is the rule of machinery. as long as you correctly calculate the cheaper, all industrial process is nothing but. [17:27]
asciilifeform: supposing the calculation was on correct premises. [17:28]
* mircea_popescu spent many years of life at the task of ensuring the correctness of those calculations [17:28]
asciilifeform: ( leaks , for instance, have a way of widening ) [17:28]
mircea_popescu: "efficiency expert" in industry is what that is. [17:28]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed. [17:28]
mircea_popescu: anyway, taking gal for steaks, bbl. [17:28]
* asciilifeform also bbl [17:28]
asciilifeform: trinque, phf : phunphakt, without clock set, cannot emerge even gnu screen, it fetches, yes!, from git, and 'ssl certificate not yet valid' didjaknow. [19:36]
asciilifeform: clockism quite pervasive. [19:36]
trinque: deep deep sads and justwantedtos in portage at the moment. [19:47]
* trinque afk too, actually, for steaks even [19:47]
trinque: bday steaks, ripe old age of 31. [19:48]
asciilifeform: happy bday trinque [19:52]
shinohai: Came to wish trinque happy birthday as well, enjoy teh steaks! [19:54]
* shinohai has birthday in 9 days [19:55]
asciilifeform: aaaand apparently emacs 25.3.r4 pulls in... gnutls [19:57]
asciilifeform: which i had nfi even existed [19:57]
asciilifeform: ( a fsfistic fork of openssl, naturally ) [19:57]
asciilifeform: [19:57]
asciilifeform: and of course it is not hard to find out ~why~ this happened : >> 'GnuTLS is needed for adding the https URL of MELPA to the package archive source list' [19:58]
asciilifeform: and melpa of course being the 'modern' crapola repo that gives us such marvels as the 9000 dependencies of 'flycheck' ( see logz! ) and other liquishit. [19:59]
mod6: trinque: happy b-day man :] [20:04]
trinque: thanks gents! bbl [20:04]
mod6: o7 [20:05]
douchebag: happy birthday friendo [20:10]
danielpbarron: !~later tell hanbot can i get your copy of footnotes.php ? [20:59]
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded. [20:59]
mircea_popescu: well, i just had steaks! (at the doris place mentioned in teh logs). [21:12]
mircea_popescu: also what the fuck is a tahir hassan. [21:15]
asciilifeform: a good candidate for swedish minister of culture, i imagine [21:23]
mircea_popescu: lel [21:24]
hanbot: << [21:24]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 21:19 phf: << i'm moving too slow, please wait till tomorrow for me to push the regrind with fixes. if you can give me that version of mp-wp.vpatch unsigned that would be helpful [21:24]
mircea_popescu: 6mb to get a fucking blog cms going. oh epic world of bits... [21:25]
mircea_popescu: 165kloc. [21:28]
mircea_popescu: hanbot oddly the file doesn't pass utf-8 but passes iso 8859. there's some artefact in there. [21:37]
hanbot: hmmph [21:38]
lobbes: danielpbarron: I just slapped a copy up if you want it >> [21:40]
hanbot: danielpbarron , in wp-content/plugins/footnotes.php_/footnotes.txt [21:42]
hanbot: o cool deal lobbes [21:43]
mircea_popescu: hanbot : file -bi reports "text/x-diff charset=us-ascii", which seems proper however awk -vFS="" '{for(i=1i<=NFi++)w[$i]++}END{for(i in w) print i,w[i]}' 'mp-wp_genesis.vpatch' spits out which shows the problem -- you got a buncha garbage single-occurence chars in there. [21:47]
hanbot: _getSeparators : function() { var re = '', i, str = this.editor.getParam('spellchecker_word_separator_chars', '\\s!"#$%&()*+,-./:<=>?@[\]^_{|}§©«®±¶·ž»ŒœŸ¿×÷€\u201d\u201c') << sample itam. they're buried in the code as ad-hoc magic chars. [21:56]
mircea_popescu: nuts. [21:56]
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd propose taking the "Spellchecker" out altogether, but something tells me the hackery is not limited to that module. i guess make a list of all the places they appear, see if it can all be excised or just replaced with better notation ? [21:58]
danielpbarron: lobbes, hanbot, ty [22:17]
hanbot: mircea_popescu yeah, will do [22:19]
hanbot: nice scripty btw [22:19]
mod6: evenin'. how goes? [22:44]
mircea_popescu: wait, wait, philipinoy no longer on list of usg pet states ?! BUT THE SUCCESS OF INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMACIES AND INTRIGUES?!?!?! [23:55]
mircea_popescu: where's all the pantsuit press discussing "the embattled usg, ever more isolated on the world stage" ? what, this rhodesia doesn't get the usual rhodesian press ? [23:56]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "burdeoning". [23:58]
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