Forum logs for 05 May 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mp_en_viaje: << same exact way it's done now. consider what happens now, dig freenode -> [04:02]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 23:53 asciilifeform: << how wouldja disambiguate ? ( ...pick random ? ...prompt ? ) [04:02]
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo,"These USG tantrums lacked any self awareness as details of the plot failed were spilled to the extent that any plausible deniability of the USG's leadership of the plot is undeniable." >> "Besides ample unintentional comedy, the childish lack of self awareness from which these USG tantrums stem renders impossible any sort of deniability of USG's "leadership" (or more properly, dreamership) of the remarkably braindamaged plot." [04:07]
mp_en_viaje: or something. you gotta sort your subordinate clauses like you speak english, aite ? [04:07]
BingoBoingo: ty, suggested replacement emplaced [04:15]
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile, in harem technologies from the future, [04:16]
mp_en_viaje: and also, in adult women / excellent attitude in a slavegirl news, [04:19]
mp_en_viaje: plenty got that in them and plenty got other, and better things. but until you hurt them well, you never know, nor does it ever show. [04:20]
* mp_en_viaje shall bbl. [06:40]
feedbot: << Trilema -- Naked sluts in hotel rooms, a frank discussion of harem sexuality, the warm pubic reception of the general public and other typos. [06:50]
mp_en_viaje: << not to mention all the "tracking pixel" bullshits. [12:41]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 23:57 asciilifeform: << imho that's just about half the appeal -- 'resolve( ? null!' [12:41]
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other sad news, belgrade bdsm scene seems to consist 100% of "escort services" [12:42]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what was it like in the old days ? [12:52]
asciilifeform: ( come to think of it, i dun recall at any point mp_en_viaje travelogue where 'this-here country has a++ bsdm!' -- this ever even existed ? ) [12:53]
BingoBoingo: May have existed in the 1980s? [14:27]
asciilifeform: lol maybe 1780s. with de sade . [15:15]
mp_en_viaje: back in the old days they had a male/gay/leather thing and a lesbo/uni/femintard thing. [15:20]
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje knows how to strip the electron shell from the latter and make bromine trifluoride neh [15:21]
mp_en_viaje: notsure it's knowledge per se. [15:21]
asciilifeform: well 'knows' like fluorine 'knows' [15:21]
mp_en_viaje: anyways, even with civillians... me spent a few hours in the tiniest spa known to mankind. rando couple, "soo.. .are you a triplet ?" "actually, they're my slaves" "wut?!?!?" "do you know what bdsm is ?" dude : nope chick yup. [15:23]
mp_en_viaje: kinda how this goes, i'd guesstimate about 2/3 of reproductive age females and 1% or so of reproductive age males know-about-it [15:23]
mp_en_viaje: honestly, i'd propose it's about 0% different from how things work here. have the creds and speak the words, you're in, takes all of three and a half minutes. [15:29]
mp_en_viaje: absent the two... why, you can lick the walls for decades, go on pixel clicking hunts until you break down your mouse. [15:29]
mp_en_viaje: what distinguishes lord from orc ? "had what to point to and knew what to ask for". [15:30]
diana_coman: also knew what he was pointing at, lolz [15:32]
mp_en_viaje: hm ? [15:34]
diana_coman: the "had what to point to and knew what to ask for" sounds superficially a "point and babble" sort of thing doesn't work quite that well if that's ALL there is to it [15:34]
mp_en_viaje: had what to point to in terms of creds. as in [15:39]
mp_en_viaje: "i'm the guy that so and so". [15:39]
diana_coman: aha basically having done the work and spoke the words, it takes all of 3 minutes, sure as always. [15:40]
mp_en_viaje: yuppers. [15:41]
mp_en_viaje: kinda the basis of human society, too. dude stops car in gas station, orders a fill. obvious enough he's one of the people who gets fills at gas stations -- there's the car, there he stands asking for gas, in the manner such is done. [15:43]
mp_en_viaje: had he arrived on a bike, or asked for peanuts, well... it'd have not worked out as well. [15:43]
mp_en_viaje: anyways. as an anthropological fact males are significantly more sexually conservative and significantly less sexually informed than females. [15:46]
mp_en_viaje: there's some biological and plenty of social basis for this, too. [15:46]
diana_coman: ah, that yes [15:49]
diana_coman: for that matter I'm not even sure what exactly are they *less* conservative about, anyway [15:51]
mp_en_viaje: death. [15:51]
mp_en_viaje: in all shapes and forms, from suicide to spending their day fucking with chiclid fish or collecting stamps from going to war to editing wikipedia. [15:52]
mp_en_viaje: males are less conservative with human life. [15:52]
diana_coman: ah, right there it is, the one thing indeed. [15:53]
mp_en_viaje: just consider the lulz of all time : in any sample sufficiently large, males will implicitly overestimate the total amount of copulation going on by about a half-magnitude factor. the sheer naive simplicity that's required of one to thusly behave... [15:54]
diana_coman: eh, people are quite terrible at estimating anyway and when it's plain guesstimate esp so. [16:01]
mp_en_viaje: well yes, but one of the very few if not the only available means to scientify about knowledge is to aggregate estimates and compare systematic errors. [16:08]
mp_en_viaje: sorta like sociological cryptanalysis, really. [16:09]
mp_en_viaje: all knowing (as the cultural process) is in the end a trapdoor function of some kind and no more. [16:16]
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, it wouldn't be plain guesstimates. ask each member of the group, "how many sexual encounters did you participate in last year" say, discover the doods had about 3x as much sex as the gals. somehow. nohomo. [16:29]
mp_en_viaje:' << speaking of these retards... check 'em out BingoBoingo , niggas be trippin on dat jenkem. [16:40]
mp_en_viaje: "Rudy Ray Moore, known as "Dolemite", is well known for having used the term in his comedic performances. While Signifyin(g) is the term coined by Henry Louis Gates, Jr. to represent a black vernacular, the idea stems from the thoughts of Ferdinand De Saussure and the process of signifying—"the association between words and the ideas they indicate."[4] Gates states, "'Signification,' in Standard English, denotes the meaning that a term c [16:41]
mp_en_viaje: onveys, or is intended to convey." Gates takes this idea of signifying and "doubles" it in order to explain signifyin(g). He states of Black Vernacular, "their complex act of language Signifies upon both formal language use and its conventions, conventions established, at least officially, by middle-class white people."[5] " [16:41]
mp_en_viaje: "According to Gates, the practice derived from the Trickster archetype found in much African mythology, folklore, and religion: a god, goddess, spirit, man, woman, or anthropomorphic animal who plays tricks or otherwise disobeys normal rules and societal norms." [16:41]
mp_en_viaje: the african mythological practice of washing when ? wewazkangz o'clock perhaps ? [16:41]
* BingoBoingo recalls a "U waz dick washers" meme [16:43]
mp_en_viaje: "The signifying monkey is a character of African-American folklore that derives from the trickster figure of Yoruba mythology, Esu Elegbara." [16:45]
mp_en_viaje: by which bullshit we're supposed to not notice that "the signifying monkey is approximately kermit for retards -- something some dude 'came up with' for ~tv in the 50s on the basis of what he remembered of the little he understood from what that german professor visiting his community college said. [16:46]
BingoBoingo: But yes, black academica after the NAACP's founding is a fountain of lulz [16:46]
mp_en_viaje: folklore my left fucking foot. [16:46]
BingoBoingo: Well, they went from a continent with monkeys to a continent with asciilifeform [16:46]
BingoBoingo: 's trash pandas [16:46]
BingoBoingo: Plenty of opportunities to obsess over animals fucking with them [16:48]
mp_en_viaje: if you think about it, raccoons go about in ironic blackface or what. [16:50]
BingoBoingo: Plenty of monkeys in blackface too. [16:50]
BingoBoingo: And the baboons with the color coded butts [16:51]
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in grindcore metal, [17:12]
asciilifeform: << fractional reserve fuck!1 [18:01]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-05 20:29 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, it wouldn't be plain guesstimates. ask each member of the group, "how many sexual encounters did you participate in last year" say, discover the doods had about 3x as much sex as the gals. somehow. nohomo. [18:01]
asciilifeform: << all men kamikaze. just, most slow, lazy. sorta why death, packaged correctly, is quite marketable 'product' in own right [18:05]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-05 19:52 mp_en_viaje: males are less conservative with human life. [18:05]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 02:35 asciilifeform: that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flag and loyalty-parades ... Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a grudging way, have said to people “I offer you a good time,” Hitler has said to them “I offer you struggle, danger and death,” and as a [18:05]
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt -- the orig. kamikazes were not 'just anyone', but recruits with top marks and gold reccs. at one time dozen or so takers to erry spot. ) [18:07]
asciilifeform: if tokkotai brigade had somehow formed in '41, and not '44, when ~nuffin left with wings still attached, could have easily sunk entire usg navy. [18:09]
asciilifeform: 'хороша ложка к обеду'(tm)(r) [18:10]
mp_en_viaje: quite possibru [18:17]
mp_en_viaje: but in 41, nobody wanted them to, because will need these to live an' help administer manchuko or w/e. [18:17]
asciilifeform: well no, that's the funny bit, the angle of 'hey cannon fodder, wanna die honourably for emperor?' angle was muchly in place already then. [18:18]
asciilifeform: but -- disorganized. [18:18]
mp_en_viaje: << afaik the best statement of the situation. [18:19]
mp_en_viaje: the dangers of the self-realized male. [18:19]
mp_en_viaje: as the old adage goes, the problem with suicides is that the ones that manage are the only ones you actually want to have failed. [18:20]
asciilifeform: ' I am a corpse looking for a place to drop when this is over ' << aaha [18:20]
asciilifeform: let's illustrate. 'umi yukaba', jp naval anthem, '37 and on. 'if i go to sea / i shall be a washed up corpse. / if i go to the mountains / a corpse i shall be in the grass / but as i die for the emperor / i will have no regret ' roughly. [18:21]
asciilifeform: mcarthur -- banned song. today, again it is sung, in what passes for jp navy. entirely above-board. [18:22]
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in the other empire, [18:27]
asciilifeform: lol!! [18:28]
asciilifeform: nfi how one might come upon this notion ( want to eat projectile , but not wake up neighbours ? ) but e.g. arbalest entirely adequate to go through left temple and out of right, is ~fiddybux. [18:34]
asciilifeform: in lolmart, even. [18:34]
asciilifeform: and much better ergonomics than this 12th century lol. [18:35]
mp_en_viaje: i expect some homoeroticism went into it. [18:35]
asciilifeform: gotta be. i dun have the freud-fu to say exactly how tho. [18:35]
asciilifeform: ( incidentally, and may have noted prev., arbalest is a++ trashpanda solver, but slow reload, quite inadequate if you have a herd of 3-4 to dispatch ) [18:37]
mp_en_viaje: medieval solution for slow reload ? [18:39]
mp_en_viaje: get a bunch! [18:39]
asciilifeform: iirc the chinese had some sorta hack for this also. [18:40]
mp_en_viaje: << there is a dedicated lolcow board, but the lolcows are to be found on the... vore board ? [18:42]
mp_en_viaje: sygnyfyin'! [18:42]
asciilifeform: << lol! [18:43]
mp_en_viaje: amusingly enough, there's a sexual paroxism pathway driven by anoxia in mammals (kinda traditionally common male style, actually). so it's quite conceivable ingurgitated prey might ejaculate. [18:49]
* mp_en_viaje shall bbl\ [19:03]
asciilifeform: i suspect that errybody with even surface familiarity with subj of hanging, knows this [19:32]
asciilifeform: ( iirc was why the idjit victorians ended up phasing out public hanging -- 'too sexy' ) [19:33]
asciilifeform: wb danielpbarron [20:22]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: how's the hair shirt life treatin' ya ? [20:22]
danielpbarron: good [20:23]
danielpbarron: i bought a house [20:23]
asciilifeform: w/ coin ? [20:23]
danielpbarron: well that's my only source of income, so ya i guess [20:23]
asciilifeform: in oklahomistan ? [20:23]
danielpbarron: yes [20:24]
asciilifeform: didja have it Officially proclaimed as a church ? [20:24]
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu described how/why to do this [20:24]
danielpbarron: no, we meet in eachother's houses for church and we don't register any of them as such [20:25]
asciilifeform: iirc in usa it gets you 'benefit of clergy' or sumthing equiv [20:25]
danielpbarron: it's my understanding that such a registration also comes with strings attached that we don't want attached [20:25]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: hm. elaborate for the l0gz ? [20:26]
* asciilifeform mostly unfamiliar with subj [20:26]
asciilifeform: do they send surprise inspectors to 'see if yer churchy enuff' ? [20:27]
asciilifeform: i've been inside the 'scientology' church in dc, it is luxurious (and utterly batshit) item . so surely cannot be much of obstacle, this. [20:27]
danielpbarron: i don't know the details of it [20:28]
BingoBoingo: How are the local orcs in Ok? [20:34]
danielpbarron: just as bad as in CT [20:34]
* asciilifeform dug up at one pt the 'plaintext' details, but usa is 1 of those batshit anglo 'case law' jurisdictions, and asciilifeform dun have the time/inclination to saw through the various paywalls to try an' interpret the necessary 100MB+ of crapola [20:35]
BingoBoingo: Acquire any livestock? [20:36]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i thought the mega-virtue of oklahomistan is where it is largely empty [20:36]
danielpbarron: i don't own any animals besides my cat, but several fellow church goers have horses and/or cows [20:37]
danielpbarron: yes where i got the house we are "in the middle of nowhere" but my appartment is in a college town [20:37]
danielpbarron: i might get into legal cannabis growing [20:38]
danielpbarron: medical recently passed here, and licenses go for 2.5k WFF [20:39]
BingoBoingo: You could try emu or alpaca [20:41]
danielpbarron: not really my expertise, and the land i bought is not really fit for livestock [20:42]
BingoBoingo: Could try rabbits like cazalla did [20:43]
BingoBoingo: Liven the cat's life up a bit [20:50]
asciilifeform: meanwhile in entirely unrelated lulz, asciilifeform came across a 1984 edition of barnes's ada at flea market , and it's ~pocket-sized . i suspect that if one were to write a 'tmsr ada' dead tree, would look ~similar roughly [21:00]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 21:05 diana_coman: speaking of Barnes' Ada book: it IS very useful and I certainly do go back to it quite often still for all sorts but it still has at times such ideas that I can't stand e.g. "The reader will probably feel that the activation mechanism is somewhat elaborate. However, in practice, the details will rarely need to be considered. They are mentioned in order to show that the mechanism is well defined rather than because of their everyday import [21:00]
asciilifeform: ( 2012 barnes -- ~phonebook backbreaker ) [21:01]
asciilifeform: diana_coman iirc also has 1, can confirm [21:01]
BingoBoingo: Testament to the additive destruction of the wreckers. [21:33]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unfortunately this case is atypical, or asciilifeform would have written for ada83 [22:02]
asciilifeform: only 90% or so post-83, crud [22:02]
asciilifeform: the remainder, quite valuable (e.g. preconditions, which tightened, rather than loosened, semantics ) [22:03]
BingoBoingo: Still the book grew too much. Whatever useful things are added get burried in shit [22:31]
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