Forum logs for 03 Oct 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: "The term "spam" came into broad use shortly after a famous incident on 12 April 1994. Canter and Siegel unleashed the first mega-spam against Usenet. (Cantor had done local, mini-spams before he was now going international.) Canter spammed almost 6,000 groups in less than 90 minutes through an Internet Direct account (an Arizona Internet provider). The post was a C&S ad for the U.S. "Green Card lottery" -- a chance for non- [00:00]
mircea_popescu: Americans to enter a very low-odds US-work-permit raffle. Jeff Wheelhouse, sysadmin for Internet Direct, was soon bombed into oblivion by world-wide complaints. He told the New York Times this caused Internet Direct computers to crash at least 15 times -- "that's when we stopped counting." Canter soon appeared on CNN's Sonya Live. Interestingly, spam was viewed as an innovation by Sonya, who hailed Canter as a Business Pionee [00:00]
mircea_popescu: r instead of Wanton Vandal. Canter boasted he'd spam again." [00:00]
mircea_popescu: from back in the day it didn't know it's dead yet. [00:01]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [00:41]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4402.04, vol: 7813.93351208 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4420.1, vol: 26728.06479848 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4229.3316, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4419.0, vol: 3155.33581358 | Volume-weighted last average: 4416.26443677 [00:41]
lobbes: !!balance [00:54]
deedbot: [00:54]
lobbes: mircea_popescu, got it [00:55]
lobbes: this is pretty cool [00:55]
mircea_popescu: o hey. [00:55]
mircea_popescu: but yeah, totally nice work trinque [00:55]
mircea_popescu: i hope you're corking champagne over there. [00:56]
lobbes: !!deed [01:14]
phf: test [07:30]
midnightmagic: Uh. asciilifeform? Can I ask you where you managed to dig up those old SKS keysets which predate the one I shared with you? [07:45]
midnightmagic: Also, may I point people to you as a source of SKS historical data? [07:47]
mircea_popescu: << heh, the next day after huh ? tell you what, wait until it's back on, then ignore the matter for a few years, then when it next is down or anything come back and ask that. [08:18]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 11:47 midnightmagic: Also, may I point people to you as a source of SKS historical data? [08:18]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 14:56 asciilifeform: RIP dulap. [08:18]
mircea_popescu: it's the only way! [08:18]
midnightmagic: doh [08:19]
midnightmagic: .. hard drives were seized? What's dulap? Is that the name of the server you guys were using for the phuctor project? [08:22]
mircea_popescu: it's all in the logs you know. see and so on. [08:24]
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 03:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz asciilifeform : phuctor server raid array failing, when'd you like the item restarted ? [08:24]
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 04:01 mircea_popescu: [] [08:24]
midnightmagic: lol I swear I was reading them almost that whole time man... oh. Gad dangit. [08:26]
shinohai: Morning mircea_popescu .... sending out that reply after tea. o/ [08:26]
mircea_popescu: cool deal. [08:26]
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic that's EXACTLY the fucking problem. modern man has total disconnect between symbols dancing in front of eyes and anything to do with action. [08:27]
mircea_popescu: buncha zoo seals, trained to clap along. [08:27]
midnightmagic: The page with the RIP dulap doesn't have the raid failure mention on it. I can't read *that* fast dude. [08:28]
* shinohai has no coffee this morning, must start the day the Earl Gray way. (tm) [08:28]
mircea_popescu: shinohai move to costa rica, have the problem of omfg i can't keep drining so much coffee... but it's so good... [08:28]
mircea_popescu: i'm not much of a coffee drinker, in general. but when i live here i take a few months to turn into utter fiend. then if i move away it goes away. [08:29]
midnightmagic: +1 Gesha Esmeralda coffee. It's a sin to drink it anyway but black. [08:29]
mircea_popescu: cafe con leche ftw! [08:30]
midnightmagic: macchiato guy myself, for the coffees that are worthy enough to be drunk so. [08:31]
midnightmagic: Dangit. Phuctor was an important project. [08:33]
mircea_popescu: it still is an important project. [08:33]
mircea_popescu: and in other ancient lulz, [08:35]
mircea_popescu: not sure what's lulzier, the failed-female whining or the concerned-bystander "is college bezzle getting all it could get ???". [08:35]
phf: what an odd opener [08:39]
midnightmagic: Hrm. I missed my chance to download the phuctor db snapshot. [08:40]
mircea_popescu: i find it interesting that anyone thought that'd make sense as an opener. for the READERS OF LAW REVIEW no less. [08:40]
mircea_popescu: 90s a lot dumber than originally thought, in the us. [08:40]
phf: i suppose the usual suspects were making inroads, perhaps in 20 years it will not be obvious why high pitched sjw is a "google" concern [08:44]
mircea_popescu: cucks trying to signal to milfs that they're available, basically. naive colonies sufficiently unsophisticated to allow this shameful display. [08:45]
* mircea_popescu is pretty well satisfied ~only reason charles f. wilson put that out there is the hope that some "divorcee" somewhere will "let him help". [08:45]
phf: i didn't realize it was written by a guy. i've not encountered that whole cuck behavior until i came to u.s. i suppose i remember men like that growing up, but they were explicitly recognized and condemned [08:50]
phf: in unrelated [08:51]
phf: !#s dog notfrom:mircea [08:51]
a111: 957 results for "dog notfrom:mircea", [08:51]
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy throughout. "we were old enough to fight in vietnam, but not old enough to vote, which is lulzy, notwithstranding we whined a lot more than we fought, AND ALSO LOST THAT WAR THOUGH BEING SAD FAILURES!!! then the vote thing was fixed, but it was fixed in the wrong way -- by lowering emancipation age it meant daddy no longer has to pay! UNFAIR!" [08:51]
mircea_popescu: !#s dog notfrom:mircea from:ascii from:ben notfrom:phf [08:52]
a111: 296 results for "dog notfrom:mircea from:ascii from:ben notfrom:phf", [08:52]
mircea_popescu: ahaha check that out. nice! [08:52]
phf: oh the combination has been working for a while, that example with hurr durr had ascii hidden somewhere there [08:52]
phf: i tried !from:foo syntax, but until there's a proper search query grammar i think i'll stick to an explicit looking keyword, as originally suggested [08:53]
mircea_popescu: phf dood's bio : 1993-1994 greater boston food bank volunteer (ie, ASSISTANT volunteer MANAGER!!!), then 1998-2002 testa hurwitz & thibeault. boston college law school (ie, shit) 94-97. "saint joseph university" (ie, shit), ba politics 89-93. [08:54]
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone remember the brouhaha of "fair" (ie, some faggots-on-campus pac) vs rumsfeld case ? (govt wanted to cut funding for colleges that didn't allow army recruiters on campus, solomon amendment they didn't want to allow recruiters on campus because they judged don't ask don't tell DISCRIMINATORY!!!11) [08:57]
phf: a beautiful specimen [08:57]
mircea_popescu: so : bc law thinks having argued before the supreme court!!!! on the wrong side of a case that got adjudicated the other way 8-0 is something to put in its bio as the #1 item. [08:58]
mircea_popescu: if anyone things it prepares lawyers that one's reading comprehension is barrista-adequate. [08:58]
mircea_popescu: (one helluva braindamaged "case" that was, too. worth reading for the curious, they got thrown out at every level, then held up supreme court to educate them in basic law.) [09:00]
mircea_popescu: "In Spring 2017, the Boston College Environmental Affairs Law Review, Boston College International and Comparative Law Review, and the Journal of Law and Social Justice published their last issues and consolidated into the Boston College Law Review." for extra bonus points. [09:02]
phf: this is a discouraging entomology, since i just came back to washington d.c. so now i have to interact with willsons and their brood yet again. (not directly, but i get to see them on the street) [09:06]
mircea_popescu: this guy is now assistant public defender in hartford, ct!!! no less [09:06]
mircea_popescu: so i much doubt you will interact with him unless you somehow age 20 years, get tit implants and become a socialite. [09:06]
mircea_popescu: i expect 50% of his fare are de mournay DUIs, 50yo ex-starlet / alcoholic jane fonda. [09:07]
phf: i might run into him in the street! i have friends in hartford and throughout CT (though i mostly visit those on the coast) [09:09]
phf: luckily i can't find his picture, so i will remain blissfully ignorant [09:09]
mircea_popescu: anyway, but the above line re "consolidated into" is there to explain how exactly $item became shit : at time t0, there existed $item, and it was respectable. at time t1, misguided "pluralism" allowed a bunch of rank imbeciles, such as here typified by charles f wilson, to open $rakim-and-his-black-chix-code, $faggots-fashion-law-review etcetera. then at time t2, the foregoing useless items "got consolidated" into $item. the [09:10]
mircea_popescu: end. [09:10]
mircea_popescu: this is how the ourdemocracy "pluralism" ratchet works : if everyone is nominally equal, and if nobody should face the music of his own ineptitude, then you can cycle these spawn-and-consolidate cycles until everything is pure shit. [09:11]
mircea_popescu: (ie, exactly the monetary process described in except applied to labour rather than capital) [09:12]
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing amusings -- i wonder why exactly hasn't the "alt right" picked up on JESUIT heritage to bitch and whine about ? it's just about the core of modern pantsuitism, it was historically oppressed specifically for pantsuitism, and when i say historically i mean centuries not decades, why exactly nobody knows enough to say "the jesuits will not replace us" ? [09:15]
mircea_popescu: what, just gonna keep on with the jews forever ? there's other options! [09:15]
phf: too obscure, though that would be an amusing thing to do. jesuit "protocols" on twitter, quotes and condemnations. it would be closer to an art project, than anything. "the who?" [09:24]
mircea_popescu: except it's better substantiated in fact than the jew thing. [09:24]
mircea_popescu: jesuits were shoah'd in venice once, 1600s, and THEN in france, portugal, the two sicilies etc in 1700s. this is moar than one piddly german interdict [09:25]
mircea_popescu: what, just because that happened 3 and 400 years ago as opposed to 1900s ? what is this, the simple, child-like behaviour of the new world demographic ? [09:26]
phf: ^ [09:26]
shinohai: Also, Malta and Spanish EMpire. [09:26]
mircea_popescu: quite. [09:27]
mircea_popescu: phf but to be honest, i suspect the actual reason is that this'd be a first step on the road to indicting jesus. which is apt, jesus being the best first-line heuristic for idiocy you'll ever encounter. [09:27]
shinohai: (It's pretty bad when Pope himself writes Dominus ac Redemptor to hate on your religious group) [09:27]
mircea_popescu: it happens to also be the single most important thread connecting the self-same "alt right" with faith altogether, so this is problematic. [09:27]
mircea_popescu: or should i say psychologically painful. [09:28]
mircea_popescu: in other words, i dun think "obscure" is the problem. i think "not wanting to take a look inside" is the problem. [09:28]
mircea_popescu: (note that the above deals with jesus, as the western conception, not with the thing thereby named altogether. christos, as ~same thing understood in the east, be it the greek pantokrator, the russian voskresie i guess, or various others is not nearly as problematic) [09:30]
mircea_popescu: even exists in early anglo stuff, christ resurrector, christ almighty etc. though the vein exhausted itself readily and apparently without leaving much trace. i guess in the same way "everyone" knows of bedwetter's 1984 but nobody read point counterpoint, notwithstanding that huxley is the important kid in that class, not fucking blair. [09:34]
phf: hmm [09:37]
mircea_popescu: (the link, for the curious, is that in any other time than the present the above charles f. wilson would have been counted as a jesuit. both his stepping-stone and ultimate destination 2nd education institutions being -- jesuit.) [09:39]
mircea_popescu: and in more domestic tranquility : a girl made bolognese, with fusili i made spicy paprika chicken, with penne rigate. there's now available A SELECTION of pasta leftovers for breakfast! [09:41]
mircea_popescu: they go together great, too. [09:41]
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure what you mean by western conception of jesus (i'm vague on when the split happened, but yeah christos in slav countries and presumably in greek tradition has retained his "vsederzhitel" title, not so much in the west, but i can't imagine that the split happened in the 6th-8th century) [09:53]
mircea_popescu: phf does christos love you ? [09:53]
mircea_popescu: cuz you know, simple-minded ustard doesn't take nearly as long to answer that question. [09:55]
phf: :) [09:55]
phf: i'm not sure, but not in the way that phrase is cliche in english. god loves you, christ acts from inner great love. i'm not sure christ loves ~you~ as such [09:56]
phf: russian conception of christ's love has always been "if my husband beats me, how do i still interpret his actions as love? -- well have you seen that special glint in his eyes!" [09:57]
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking ploy with the new testament is not simply but actually turning the heavenly father into the heavenly mother hence all the inept bs starting with all the mary worship in the loser south. [09:58]
mircea_popescu: phf there's two fundamental roles for divinity in the life of man (unlike the matters discussed re resplenduminous, which are quite apart a third) : it's either momgod, give me a thing or else dadgod make me enjoy the thing i got. [09:59]
mircea_popescu: and as it happens one of these works better than the other. [10:00]
mircea_popescu: none of this, obviously, having to do with divinity in the slightest we're here discussing religion not theology. [10:00]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the important point here being that the "progress" is actually a withdrawal from alhpabet to hieroglyphics, from christos to jesus, everywhere the sweet scent of senescent decay. [10:05]
phf: right, i have similar impression, i thought there might be an event associated with it. i'd stick to the umberto ecco's idea that the transition happened sometime in the 14th century as a result of pantsuitization of catholic church [10:09]
mircea_popescu: and what is your explanation of the cathars ? [10:09]
mircea_popescu: the 14th century pantsuitization of the church resulted from the 14th century burning at the stake of the pantsuit enclave of toulouse. [10:10]
mircea_popescu: look into how well the impregnable fortress was defended by those ninnies, and see in them the "hell no, we won't go" vietnam victrices. [10:11]
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, who shall say caedite eos, novit enim dominus eius for this century ? [10:13]
mircea_popescu: to this very day teh episode does truly bother the pantsuit press. because here's the thing : whether alt-right knows or doesn't know there's such a thing as jesuit, the thing they know or don't know still is, and still works. [10:14]
phf: right, come to think crusades and inquisition came later [10:15]
mircea_popescu: cathars are starting around 1100s or so. [10:15]
mircea_popescu: anyway. 1100 century vegans, they existed. [10:17]
phf: right, inquisition is then 12th century, and crusades are over by 15th, reformation is 16th [10:18]
mircea_popescu: the first crusade was in the 1090s [10:18]
phf: i don't know enough about history of church to pin point modern day "jesus loves you" conception. [10:21]
mircea_popescu: well, the fact that there existed a 12th century animalrights, gender-fluid community of idiots who failed miserably in the field excuses you from such a pinpoint. [10:22]
mircea_popescu: pantsuitism is eternal, neglected cunt grows cobwebs, what. [10:22]
mircea_popescu: and, then as now, actually competent women didn't think much of the whole crap sandwich. [10:23]
mircea_popescu: !~google hildegard von bingen [10:24]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Hildegard of Bingen - Wikipedia: <> Saint Hildegard of Bingen – Franciscan Media: <> Hildegard of Bingen , Visionary: <> [10:24]
mircea_popescu: ^ early noether, by any account. [10:24]
phf: i sort of assumed from the paintings and the existence of such thing as thieves' cant, but at some point it was sort of like a mix between monthy python's holy grail and the life of brian. i.e. dirt digging communes, living somewhere on the periphery, espousing any kind of random interpretation of gospel. "christ the table throwers of the third denomination" [10:27]
mircea_popescu: nah. carcassone was literally an impregnable fortress for the time. were it defended, even middlingly, it would never have fallen. [10:28]
mircea_popescu: much like present day us. [10:28]
phf: such us the tmsr darlings, knights templar [10:29]
mircea_popescu: islands are indefensible by nature. [10:29]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the moment is very much a french equiv of the us civil war. the north still won, same north, same terms. [10:31]
asciilifeform: << some d00d sent'em in, oughta be in the l0gz [10:37]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 11:45 midnightmagic: Uh. asciilifeform? Can I ask you where you managed to dig up those old SKS keysets which predate the one I shared with you? [10:37]
mircea_popescu: phf but leaving aside that the inquisition was invented in the first place to stamp out pantsuitism manifested as catharism from teh south of france (which it did do) : are you aware the first yellow star as a sartorial accessory was also introduced then ? [10:38]
mircea_popescu: of course, then it was a cross. but anyway. [10:38]
asciilifeform: and holy FUCK midnightmagic already 'embrace and extinguish ?' ol' corpse not even cold yet [10:38]
asciilifeform: << oh hey hey loox like mircea_popescu did that thread already, so i dun have to [10:38]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 12:18 mircea_popescu: << heh, the next day after huh ? tell you what, wait until it's back on, then ignore the matter for a few years, then when it next is down or anything come back and ask that. [10:38]
asciilifeform: !~later tell midnightmagic << if you want to read, e.g., the phuctored page, i refreshed it on a few days ago. but if what you're aiming for is to embrace&extinguish phuctor itself, you're on yer own [10:40]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 12:40 midnightmagic: Hrm. I missed my chance to download the phuctor db snapshot. [10:40]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [10:40]
asciilifeform: << brain-melter. but picture, if d00d had gotten his way, the collegism cost death rocket could have fired 30 yrs ago , instead of delaying the inevitable 'tothemoon' [10:43]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 12:35 mircea_popescu: and in other ancient lulz, [10:43]
mircea_popescu: no, he got his way. [10:43]
mircea_popescu: quoted for being anodyne part of the trend, not some sort of solitary prophet. [10:43]
asciilifeform: afaik in all 50 states no childsupportism past 18 [10:44]
mircea_popescu: orly. [10:44]
asciilifeform: so in what sense he got his way ? [10:44]
mircea_popescu: in the sense court will order you to support college kid. [10:44]
asciilifeform: ianal but pretty sure that nope. [10:44]
asciilifeform: ( pull one up ? ) [10:45]
phf: asciilifeform: there are definitely variations on college support [10:45]
mircea_popescu: exact same item as [10:45]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 17:32 BingoBoingo: << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. " [10:45]
mircea_popescu: "protected classes", ie usg-agencies doing "human services". [10:45]
asciilifeform: no but can haz ? pull up a case where d00d jailed for not paying tuition for spawn [10:46]
asciilifeform: it's a state apparatus, btw, rather than federal, and maintains a pretense of 'voluntary' ( i.e. d00d gotta manually sign cheques, and jailed if he 'forgets', rather than wage & property confiscation as seen in tax collection ) [10:48]
mircea_popescu: boston college, st catherine laboure hospital, all the same. [10:49]
asciilifeform: that dun look like a case citation [10:49]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wouldja stop being ridiculous. [10:49]
* asciilifeform waits for subj to load... [10:50]
asciilifeform: << 404 [10:50]
mircea_popescu: heh. [10:51]
mircea_popescu: any better ? [10:51]
asciilifeform: << googlecache has it [10:52]
asciilifeform: hm apparently 'age of majority' still 21 in some states, which explains mircea_popescu's find [10:53]
mircea_popescu: not at fucking all. [10:53]
mircea_popescu: 1979 case, ringier divorce, introduced this nonsense. [10:53]
asciilifeform: is there a record of, say, 30 y.o. 'eternal student' being 'childsupported' ? [10:54]
mircea_popescu: it was recently thrown out as unconstitutional, but whatever. [10:54]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't get to move the goal posts. fact is, us courts have, throughout and since 1979, ordered divorced parents to pay for the rejected bitch's spawn to go to college as adults. [10:54]
asciilifeform: but was this done using the childsupport bureaucracy apparatus, or the divorcetheft apparatus, is my q [10:55]
mircea_popescu: i don't know the difference is factual, tbh. [10:55]
asciilifeform: they are not separate from mircea_popescu's dirigible, but to the folx on the ground are very different items, with different types of spiked ends on the whips [10:56]
mircea_popescu: i suspect this difference is made of the same substance as your knowledge of the matter prior. [10:56]
asciilifeform: sorta like the diff b/w arrest by local cops and, e.g. fbi rendition [10:56]
mircea_popescu: anyway. you can end up in jail for not paying the court-ordered kid's college, no question there. [10:57]
asciilifeform: still would like to read a case involving somebody who ~did~ sit for it [10:57]
mircea_popescu: so tell your paralegal. [10:57]
asciilifeform: lol [10:58]
mircea_popescu: yes, adult male should have at least one paralegal living on the premises, what. [10:58]
asciilifeform: i have a paralegal in the sense that she has an arc welder operator [10:59]
asciilifeform: but hey whynot. [10:59]
mircea_popescu: you know, this is the ONLY fucking benefit of living where you do. that you can put up a craigslist ad or whatever, "willing to feed and house paralegal, you will have to have nice tits and love the cock." and be swamped with takers. [10:59]
asciilifeform: in related lulz, from ad sidebar in mircea_popescu's link : 'A. Gary Shilling says that parents can no longer depend on home equity loans to pay for crushing tuition costs. Click here for Shilling’s tips on how to profit and pay those tuition expenses.' [10:59]
mircea_popescu: why pass on it ? [11:00]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'all fun an' games' until new pet suddenly 'sprouts' 'rights' [11:00]
asciilifeform: sorta what thread was even about, neh [11:01]
mircea_popescu: eh get out of here. [11:01]
asciilifeform: 'At The Meyers Law Group, P.C., we are pleased that we were able to help this college student and her mother get the support they deserved. ' << this paragraph verily smells of zyklon, lol [11:05]
phf: formaldehyde with any luck [11:05]
asciilifeform: very interesting find, mircea_popescu . i had monumentally nfi. [11:06]
* asciilifeform brb [11:06]
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: Good god, no. Not interested in embrace&extinguish. I've managed to capture the attention of Chief Lying Scumbag himself Craig Wright, and a secondary source of historical SKS would mean that I'm probably not lying when I tell people that fake-Satoshi's fake-keys *weren't* in the dataset as of February 2012. [11:10]
midnightmagic: You'd told me after I uploaded the 4GB to you that you had an even earlier copy--and that's what I'm looking for. The phuctor dataset was something I saw you post a link to in the archive which Mircea kindly(?) suggested I look more closely at. [11:11]
midnightmagic: In particular, I know that if I send people here to find old data, you people will tear them a new butthole, and so I hope to punish the disbelievers. [11:13]
midnightmagic: So. I guess.. surprise! Phuctor is also useful for other things! [11:15]
mircea_popescu: and to continue the lulz : "Equal protection challenges require a review of the statute allowing court-ordered support [for adult children of a failed marriage]. Neither strict scrutiny nor heightened scrutiny are required as these statutes do not create classes of people based on race, creed, color, gender, national origin or involve a fundamental right. These statutes create, instead, social and economic classifications, re [11:35]
mircea_popescu: flecting people's marital status and assets. Consequently, courts only need to use rational basis review. Rational basis review, the most deferential review of legislative action, requires two steps. First, courts must determine whether these statutes attempt to promote any legitimate state interest or public value. If so, courts must determine whether the statuttes and classifications created are rationally related to accomp [11:35]
mircea_popescu: lishing those interests. In other words, courts ask whether the statute does what it was written to do." [11:35]
mircea_popescu: the important point here, as far as the latin-american "liberation theology" marxist reinterpretation, as typified in the latest (and first jesuit) pope is concerned is : that property is not a right. [11:36]
mircea_popescu: let aside that property is the first, and only right that matters, for as long as i have property i will bring back all the other crap as needed whereas without property all the rest is entirely not worth the mention and we can really start calling each other tavarisch, there being no further need of any pretense in the vein of courts, or for that matter any other rationalisms. [11:37]
mircea_popescu: "option for the poor", dontchaknow, first and foremost the option to pretend that they're not poor because they suck that the reason kid now needs to beg for college moneys ISN'T that his mother failed at her fucking job, that had she been a non-suck wife she wouldn't have the fucking problem in the first place and so on. [11:39]
mircea_popescu: lettuce externalize all the costs into a large ball and gift it to jesus! that's why we created jesus for in the first place innit! [11:40]
shinohai: "The US has expelled 15 Cuban diplomats, saying Havana failed to protect US diplomats from mysterious acoustic attacks." <<< moar Cuban/US lulz [11:48]
mircea_popescu: why not just play the 2017 pop top 100 at them ? [11:51]
mircea_popescu: despacito, como lo hacen en puerto rico. [11:51]
mircea_popescu: picrelated.jpg [11:52]
asciilifeform: shinohai: see also . [11:54]
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 20:08 asciilifeform: in other idiocies, >> '... mysterious attacks that left diplomats with hearing damage and brain injuries, the State Department announced...' << somebody lock'em up in schizo ward, like they do to their victims back home, per [11:54]
asciilifeform: << midnightmagic when phuctor comes back you are welcome to search for keys, e.g., by fp, and see. i'm not sure what that gives you, though, re arguments re historical existence or nonexistence of some derp's key, he can always retort 'you deliberately lost it', etc [11:55]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 15:11 midnightmagic: You'd told me after I uploaded the 4GB to you that you had an even earlier copy--and that's what I'm looking for. The phuctor dataset was something I saw you post a link to in the archive which Mircea kindly(?) suggested I look more closely at. [11:55]
asciilifeform: there is no such thing as an opposable nonexistence proof for a bitstring [11:56]
asciilifeform: << lol!! 'dun ask whether this is a crock of shit, You Will Have Problems, instead ask whether fuhrer's decrees are being correctly carried out' >> and see also oblig. . [12:01]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 15:35 mircea_popescu: lishing those interests. In other words, courts ask whether the statute does what it was written to do." [12:01]
a111: Logged on 2014-08-28 02:09 asciilifeform: the book is quite like the 'rule of law is a myth' piece ( - linked here a few times) except that katz hasn't let go of his religion yet [12:01]
asciilifeform: << whole ameri-edifice, from alimony to divorcetheft to childsupportism to harassmentism etc -- is specifically about handing out to the wives 'the freedom' to pantsuit. 'giving the wolf a spear' or what was the expression on mircea_popescu's planet. [12:03]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 15:39 mircea_popescu: "option for the poor", dontchaknow, first and foremost the option to pretend that they're not poor because they suck that the reason kid now needs to beg for college moneys ISN'T that his mother failed at her fucking job, that had she been a non-suck wife she wouldn't have the fucking problem in the first place and so on. [12:03]
asciilifeform: 'not bug -- feature'. [12:03]
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: Correct. However, if the data comes from, e.g. MIT server hosting, or if it comes from one of the SKS key server operators, then that's enough. I can point at that and say "look, more data that says the same thing." [12:06]
midnightmagic: Data which comes directly from me could just be edited. There is less chance that I am also an MIT sysop or whatever. [12:07]
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: so go and search mit's sks , why ask here. [12:08]
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: how would asciilifeform searching some item in his collection that isn't in mit's current one, help your arguments with whomever ? [12:08]
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: I was hoping you would just tell me where you got the earlier dataset, so I can also go there. [12:10]
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: The earlier dataset would just be evidence I didn't randomly edit mine, and thus prove that buddy probably didn't upload his key into the SKS set before that date. (Since SKS key server ops won't delete keys.) [12:11]
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: i do indeed have a 5G dump, mailed in by somebody with handle of 'goat', on oct 20 2013. it was among the first items fed into phuctor. [12:23]
asciilifeform: it is not afaik publicly hosted anywhere else. [12:23]
trinque: midnightmagic: when you gather all this proof and various washington posts are still running articles about hoaxatoshi (or the next), might ask yourself why. [12:26]
asciilifeform: ^ [12:26]
trinque: maybe you end up burning some fuel and shaving a few years off your orbit of the republic. who knows [12:27]
asciilifeform: see also [12:27]
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 23:46 mircea_popescu: somehow, and i have yuet to pierce this mystery, people on the side of pantsuit always assume they own the world, natively. whereas people on the side of the republic, at least verbally, always assume the opposite, and start derping about how i've to prove shit and so on. [12:27]
asciilifeform: !#s teaching the controversy [12:36]
a111: 17 results for "teaching the controversy", [12:36]
asciilifeform: midnightmagic are you aware of ^ term of art ? [12:36]
asciilifeform: what the scammer specifically wants, is to put on you, somehow, the burden of searching for proof that he is a fraud. and when you fail to meet the arbitrary standard ( he will move it , as required ) , and you will, he ends up with free pr and 'legitimacy' etc [12:37]
asciilifeform: don't feed the birds. [12:38]
asciilifeform: see also canonical . [12:38]
midnightmagic: "goat". doh. Okay. I wonder if that's Chaang-Noi. What the heck is he doing with the SKS keyset.. [12:39]
asciilifeform: dun think it is the same one. [12:39]
asciilifeform: was some fella from comments on schneier's blog iirc. [12:39]
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: That's helpful. Thank you. \o [12:40]
midnightmagic: trinque: Yea. Yeah, pretty much. [12:40]
mircea_popescu: << to briefly revisit, i am broadly unconvinced the nashville vs new york tin pan alley dispute is more than two flavours of matriarchy battling it out. [13:15]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 16:56 asciilifeform: 'country' [13:15]
mircea_popescu: basically, it's southern queenie, aka dependopotamus, dedicated to sensual pursuits such as being fat and chugging coors vs the nothern jap, aka pantsuited hilarity, the fonda line, whatever, dedicated to intellectual pursuits such as being appreciated. [13:15]
asciilifeform: there isn't a patriarchical sparta or whatever hidden somewhere in that box, no. [13:16]
mircea_popescu: yes "country is 90% male singers", but this don't figure much into anything. there exists the direct equivalent of the northern pure cuck, as typified by say the charles wilson muppet above in the south : a brawny, silent, "strong" type, the competent 50 yo male slave of various trilema aparitions. [13:17]
mircea_popescu: the dood that thinks he can't hit a woman, for instance. and assorted other bars in his equivalent cock cage. [13:17]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this latter type crews, e.g., usg's army, dies for motherland [13:26]
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 23:55 mircea_popescu: what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ? [13:26]
asciilifeform: ( and after cashiered from army, goes immediately to work in police , or -- if ambitions -- in fed 'law' enforcements etc ) [13:28]
mircea_popescu: aha [13:40]
asciilifeform: the ones no longer fit to ( or inclined to ) do wetwork, incidentally, still typically go on to desk federasties of various sorts [13:41]
asciilifeform: ( they are hired preferentially ) [13:41]
mircea_popescu: heck, they make lifetime slaves too, the sort that [13:42]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 16:59 mircea_popescu: the point is not without merit, though. ~all the competent, at artisan level, males, the dudes working leather and metal and wood and whatnot ~competently~ are virtually all 50 yo doods with very much a slave mentality. [13:42]
asciilifeform: mostly slaves for inca. [13:42]
mircea_popescu: for whoever makes some sense. please, someone. \ [13:43]
mircea_popescu: << no, that's ok, he'll just come here now and again and say some words, it's all good. [13:44]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 16:26 trinque: midnightmagic: when you gather all this proof and various washington posts are still running articles about hoaxatoshi (or the next), might ask yourself why. [13:44]
mircea_popescu: is just so much poppycock! [13:46]
asciilifeform: meanwhile ( expert entomologists only ! ) in breathtaking idiocies, << anything, ANYTHING but fit-in-head!11 [13:49]
trinque: switch to trilema buffer, boom! weechat crash. [13:50]
mircea_popescu: i thought it was because i said @ you [13:51]
asciilifeform: trinque: recall ? [13:51]
asciilifeform: where there is 1 cockroach, there is 11. [13:52]
trinque: yep, I hold the thing at arm's length [13:52]
mircea_popescu: "There were six hours during the night of April 10, 2014, when the entire population of Washington State had no 911 service." << vorwarts! [13:52]
mircea_popescu: "For the first time, there could be such a thing as a national 911 outage. There have now been four in as many years." [13:54]
mircea_popescu: and then they wanna argue. [13:54]
asciilifeform: gotta love the socialistoid bent of such articles : when, e.g., police dispatcher goes down, or self-driving coffins , whatevers, mega-disaster but microshit's crafted prevention of civilized comp as a class, is business as usual and a-ok [13:54]
asciilifeform: ( as pictured in etc ) [13:55]
mircea_popescu: the whole ourdemocracy approach is to never see anything but surfaces. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: there must be no depth to the world. [13:55]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in very other olds, asciilifeform bites at his elbows, one of his coffinnotebook ideas, turns out , was in fact made long ago : [14:01]
asciilifeform: 'We built a true alternating current (a.c.) battery that periodically reverses value and sign of its electromotive force (e.m.f.). This a.c. battery is an electrochemical concentration cell that consists of two coupled half cells in which identical oscillating Belousov-Zhabotinskii (BZ) reactions take place isothermally at 28.0°. The homogeneous BZ oscillations are phase shifted in order to create a potential difference between both [14:01]
asciilifeform: half cells. With an increasing load the phase shift between the two half cells decreases (i.e. both oscillations tend to synchronize), consequently the amplitude of the alternating current decreases while the amplitudes of the individual BZ-oscillators remain unaffected. ' [14:01]
asciilifeform: Friedemaan W. Schneider, Marcus J. B. Hauser, Joachim Reising Berichte der Bunsengesellschaft für physikalische Chemie , january 1993 . [14:02]
mircea_popescu: ha [14:02]
asciilifeform: << 1333337w4r3z (pdf!) for aficionados. [14:03]
asciilifeform: i actually considered own variant of this for 'chemical rng' , but realized that it is screamingly impractical [14:04]
asciilifeform: !#s bz reaction [14:04]
a111: 1 result for "bz reaction", [14:04]
asciilifeform: hm could've sworn there was an entire thread... [14:04]
asciilifeform: '... Thus it should also be possible to construct, for example, a chaos-battery. Such work is in progress. ' [14:08]
asciilifeform: !~google chaos battery [14:08]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory Walkthrough - Battery - Visual ...: <> Longues-sur-Mer battery - Wikipedia: <> Swerdmurd - Chaos Battery - Listen on Deezer: <> [14:08]
asciilifeform: evidently came to 0. [14:08]
asciilifeform: originally asciilifeform's interest in subj, will confess, was re 'uncopyable otp'. [14:11]
asciilifeform: ( i.e. can you make a matched pair of otp such that 1) output is cryptoentropic 2) can only leave the device at particular baud rate , no matter what is done to it ? ) [14:12]
asciilifeform: i.e. an otp that is intrinsically safe to transport. [14:14]
mircea_popescu: in so many words, no. [14:19]
asciilifeform: why so sure [14:19]
mircea_popescu: cuz it's patently a nonphysical object, what. seriously, fixed future ? [14:21]
asciilifeform: all you need is a physical process that is 1) repeatable, in that you can birth a matched pair of'em 2) cannot be substantially sped up [14:22]
mircea_popescu: not so. [14:22]
asciilifeform: hm? [14:23]
mircea_popescu: your original wanted unrewindability, also. [14:23]
mircea_popescu: 1. unique 2. repeatable 3. unalterable (but 4. copyable) [14:23]
mircea_popescu: that's two mutually exclusive demands in one package. [14:23]
asciilifeform: i dun see why unrewindable. 'can't speed up' means enemy has nothing to rewind. [14:23]
asciilifeform: he gets 5 min alone with your parcel, all he sees is 5 min. of output. [14:24]
mircea_popescu: you make otp 1 and 2, and send 2 to china. i take 2 and make 3 and 4, pass off 3 as 2 and keep 4. [14:24]
asciilifeform: 'make 3 and 4' means you got it to shit bits at > the specified rate. [14:24]
asciilifeform: ( in the case of a typical recording medium -- all at once ) [14:25]
mircea_popescu: no, it just means i copied it, thro9ugh the exact process you used to create the two in the first place. [14:25]
asciilifeform: if you can do that, you've definitionally departed from my #2 [14:25]
asciilifeform: to reformulate -- is it possible to create an intrinsically nonrandomaccess 'slow tape'. [14:26]
mircea_popescu: yes. [14:26]
mircea_popescu: starmap is such a one. [14:26]
asciilifeform: dun make for crypto, though, for obvious reason [14:26]
mircea_popescu: exactly. [14:27]
asciilifeform: may as easily say 'stock market' [14:27]
mircea_popescu: or in other words, your design is nonsense. it demands mutually exclusive properties. [14:27]
asciilifeform: yer postulating the conclusion. [14:27]
asciilifeform: naughty. [14:27]
asciilifeform: whole q is whether they are contradictory. i say not. [14:27]
mircea_popescu: no. either it's "slow tape nonrandom access" or else it's "alf gets to fuck with it" [14:27]
mircea_popescu: there's no way to have alf nominated personally in the workings of physics, and thereby have a tape alf and alf alone can fuck with [14:28]
mircea_popescu: until he ascends, at least. [14:28]
asciilifeform: to demonstrate, here's a design for an object that meets the described spec , if p!=np : [14:28]
mircea_popescu: now this is interesting [14:28]
asciilifeform: consists of 1) an ordinary, trivially copied otp, e.g. a hdd full of fuckgoatsolade [14:28]
asciilifeform: 2 ) a mechanism similar to bitcoin's sha2 pow, where it grinds out a collision , the number of ticks that it took, xor'd with pad loc i, then next i+1 , .... , until pad runs out. [14:30]
asciilifeform: now let's picture, enemy captures the box. [14:30]
mircea_popescu: there are no ticks irl. [14:30]
asciilifeform: he makes an exact copy. [14:30]
asciilifeform: 'ticks' meaning how many increments of nonce here. [14:30]
mircea_popescu: alright. [14:30]
asciilifeform: now if we can put a bound on the enemy's advantage in calculating the (nonparallelizable, note, it should be clear why ) output -- we have the item. [14:31]
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. so you get hdd 1, make 5 copies, i capture one, start grinding it into an otp. so do you. if my computer is 10% faster i'll have the i+1 10% faster than you will. [14:32]
mircea_popescu: what exactly is so safe about this ? [14:32]
asciilifeform: it only becomes interesting if we can turn the 10 to a 0. [14:32]
asciilifeform: it is not necessarily impossible to do this. [14:32]
mircea_popescu: but your original claim, that "to demonstrate, here's a design for an object that meets the described spec , if p!=np :", crumbled under scrutiny. [14:33]
asciilifeform: i disagree that it crumbles : if you were to find a nonparallelizable trapdoor that no one is likely to outrun you in computing -- you have the item. [14:34]
mircea_popescu: and if all men were the same height how would women choose. [14:34]
asciilifeform: there does exist such a thing as a physical limit. [14:36]
mircea_popescu: and in other sweet little nothings, [14:37]
asciilifeform: lolswordswallower [14:38]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 90s a lot dumber than originally thought, in the us. << Pantsuit was president. Bill just sorta decoration to quiet the rednecks [14:47]
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: another hypothetical 'near solution' would be a well-boobytrapped package containing remanence-free ( per scheme ) sram with otp [14:48]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 01:51 asciilifeform: if i were drawing up such a thing, i'd even have the sram work in such a way that 10 is a 1 on odd clock cycles, 0 on even [14:48]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and since we're doing amusings -- i wonder why exactly hasn't the "alt right" picked up on JESUIT heritage to bitch and whine about ? it's just about the core of modern pantsuitism, it was historically oppressed specifically for pantsuitism, and when i say historically i mean centuries not decades, why exactly nobody knows enough to say "the jesuits will not replace us" ? << The Return of Kink thing has done some jesuit [14:51]
BingoBoingo: criticism, dunno how far it's going to go [14:51]
asciilifeform: for sake of argument, pour it (+ power source) into glass globe. if package detects that temp is too far from room, or that the globe got smaller in any axis ( e.g. internal refraction will change ) -- blows the sram. [14:51]
asciilifeform: if operating normally, however -- pisses out, say, byte/sec optically through glass. [14:52]
asciilifeform: note that these 'tanks' do not have to be impregnable, in order to work. if the enemy has a 1 in 10 chance of breaking it -- send a crate with 100 and xor'em. for so long as it is easier for you to make'em than for him to crack'em, by a wide margin, he is fucked [14:56]
asciilifeform: if he fails to silently break even ~one~, you have a working otp ! [14:57]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in the sense court will order you to support college kid. << Fambly court will [15:05]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it may surprise you to know that i've no bear traps laying about the house not even in dungeon. [15:12]
mircea_popescu: it's an intrinsically unsafe thing, this boobytrap bs. [15:12]
asciilifeform: not the detonating sort of trap, but the key-wipin' sort [15:13]
mircea_popescu: that'd be better. [15:13]
asciilifeform: that's what i specified, thought it was obvious. [15:13]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo a hey, so not completely clueless then. good to know. [15:13]
phf: i believe we had a booby trap thread, about putting grenades into those reinforced 90s doors [15:14]
mircea_popescu: "does this boob implant come in black and also smokeless powder variants ???" [15:15]
asciilifeform: phf: not only schematic above dun explode, but ideally it would not even zero key, but rngize, so enemy has nfi whether trap sprung or not [15:15]
mircea_popescu: this'd be a helluva device, incidentally, for teh wife bimbofication process. "congrats on your new 1150 ml funbags hon, and remember, if they detect the wrong hand..." [15:15]
asciilifeform: lol! as pictured in that story aha [15:16]
phf: asciilifeform: that i figured out, the whole contraption reminds me of that ru anti-temper device pdf that you posted recently [15:16]
mircea_popescu: 500ml of powder should make a decent hole / tear an arm off. [15:16]
asciilifeform: phf: lose-key-if-tampered is only practical with remanence-free sram. which afaik exists only here in the l0gz and nowhere else. [15:16]
asciilifeform: so there is no state of the art. [15:16]
mircea_popescu: moreover, what's to keep your glass ball from rowhammer. [15:17]
asciilifeform: um the fact that enemy can't address it ? [15:17]
asciilifeform: it pisses bits one by one, take no input. [15:17]
asciilifeform: *takes [15:17]
mircea_popescu: but it still consists of electric charge geometrically arranged. [15:17]
asciilifeform: the addressing sequence is fixed. can't rearrange the circuit without busting the physical package. [15:18]
mircea_popescu: well, first step to instrumentation is modelling it on your own whiteboard. [15:18]
asciilifeform: btw rowhammer dun apply to sram. [15:19]
asciilifeform: intrinsically. [15:19]
asciilifeform: ( enemy still dun get to address it, because that's the whole point of the glass, to make the 'you get 1 bit at a time' thing happen ) [15:19]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, anyone familiar with the early anti-pot hearst smear campaigns ? (1930s). it's a long string of, basically, "do you want your daugther sucking mexican cock ? and corrupting her sister to participate in wild orgies? ?!?! !!?!?!? " [15:20]
asciilifeform: 'reefer madness' (tm)(r) [15:21]
mircea_popescu: aha. [15:21]
ben_vulpes: << featuring kristen bell in leather [15:26]
ben_vulpes: no tits, tho iirc [15:26]
mircea_popescu: the sad macula of modernity is that even liz taylor's tits seem small. [15:27]
ben_vulpes: (also starring steven weber, who also starred in the never-spoken-about-again pilot of 'being bin laden' ) [15:28]
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : reflections in a golden eye feature the harlot a) naked b) talking hardcore bdsm with an even more potato-y than usual brando and c) engaging in some public caning [15:28]
mircea_popescu: ahaha this is fucking hysterical. [15:51]
mircea_popescu: speaking of here we encounter the example : [15:52]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 04:20 elaineo: as a resident of the SF bay area, i appreciate all the VC-subsidized free shit [15:52]
mircea_popescu: money shot : "Because my order came from nine different stores, eight separate vehicles showed up at our offices. Only eight, because my Teriyaki Yakisoba from Smart & Final was canceled from the SF order: Out of Stock in Daly City. I received that same item in my Mountain View order, because it was still in stock in San Mateo. Not a single cracker was broken!Not a single cracker was broken! In SF, three drivers showed up one [15:52]
mircea_popescu: at a time with our chips, crackers, and ramen, over a span of 4 hours. I received an email saying my Monster Energy Drink had been delivered, but nobody had shown up with it. I sent an email inquiry." [15:52]
mircea_popescu: fucking imagine this, eight cars showing up to bring you individually wrapped cheezits. [15:52]
asciilifeform: old hat, asciilifeform routinely orders single screws, nuts, on lolazon etc [15:53]
asciilifeform: they show up next day's lunch. [15:53]
mircea_popescu: i can already smell the steak. it will be beef, corn on the cobb, a bottle of fine wine and mushroom sauce. [15:54]
asciilifeform: ( often in, yes, separate couriers. why -- is mystery ) [15:54]
mircea_popescu: if these were delivered individually by as many cars i'd be shooting someone. [15:54]
mircea_popescu: terrifyingly inconvenient way to live wtf. [15:54]
asciilifeform: vs what, vs having servant fetch whole thing for you and serve on silver tray ? [15:55]
asciilifeform: yes inconvenient [15:55]
asciilifeform: vs doing it with own hands -- convenient. [15:55]
mircea_popescu: if i actually needed so many different kinds of screws as to make keeping stocks untenable i'd review the whole process and take out some screw types. [15:55]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's wrong with just buying a pallet of new england original oyster flavoured crackers ? [15:56]
asciilifeform: the only way to optimize a ~research~ conveyor, rather than production, is to simply stock massive qty of everything under the sun [15:56]
asciilifeform: which is what asciilifeform more or less tends to do. [15:56]
asciilifeform: but the house ain't infinite. [15:56]
mircea_popescu: no research is involved in any of this. FMCG, 100% of it. [15:56]
mircea_popescu: blue diamond roasted almonds. [15:57]
asciilifeform: example. recently asciilifeform needed a cr1220 battery. they keep - theoretically - for decade on shelf. in practice, few yrs ( chinese ). 0 source of these within a day's drive . so ordered, and next day it was in. [15:57]
asciilifeform: what part of this is optimizable ? [15:57]
asciilifeform: 'don't keep machinery that wants 1220 ' lol goodluck [15:58]
asciilifeform: not everything is fungible, esp if budget is made of something other than rubber [15:59]
asciilifeform: the instrument you have is the one you have, and it wants a 1220 batt. nao wat. [15:59]
* mod6 orders twinkie [16:02]
asciilifeform: and yes lolazon et al are in business because folx order twinkies, not because asciilifeform orders cr1220. [16:02]
asciilifeform: ( i suspect this is an exact rerun of the ebay thread, so i'll stop here for nao ) [16:03]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rather. [16:47]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, as a long term customer maybe worth your while to write heartfelt letter to jdw character ? [16:49]
asciilifeform: and iirc we also had thread re how crapple is not in business because asciilifeform reads trb coad and 1970s 'химия и жизнь' on a crappad [16:49]
mircea_popescu: it's hard to deny the community of goals, and dood's been doing this since bbs days [16:49]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly. 1st i gotta figure out whether i already did this, lol [16:49]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do you suppose i should say to him ? [16:50]
mircea_popescu: ~only pill, dubious as it is, against the "and it will" part of [16:51]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 03:06 asciilifeform: when it finally rots to unusability -- and it will -- it will be an epic sad to asciilifeform . [16:51]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that look there's this tmsr thing and why isn't he in there and look how well his things fit to our things. [16:51]
* asciilifeform puts this item on conveyor. [16:52]
asciilifeform: speaking of olden days, whatever happened to the d00d ? [16:53]
asciilifeform: after, i mean, his thrashing by usg [16:53]
asciilifeform: where did this 'community of goals' go. the one from those days. [16:54]
asciilifeform: or, take more recent : where is ladar levison ? [16:54]
asciilifeform: ...they sank into a bog? really, all of'em ?? [16:55]
asciilifeform: << 1 often-forgotten detail re penet [16:58]
asciilifeform: !~google Johan Helsingius [17:00]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Johan Helsingius - Wikipedia: <> Anonymously Yours- An Interview with Johan Helsingius . | WIRED: <> Johan 'Julf' Helsingius Appointed as Chairman of BaseN's Board of ...: < [17:00]
asciilifeform: 'BaseN, Global IoT Operator, is delighted to announce the appointment of Mr. Johan Helsingius as the new Chairman of the Board of Directors as of May 23, 2016. He has served as a board member since 2002. Johan Helsingius founded the first major commercial ISP in Finland, EUnet, and co-founded the first pan-European ISP, EUnet International. He held the position of Executive Vice President and Chief Technology Officer at largest pan-E [17:02]
asciilifeform: uropean IP Carrier KPNQwest. He has received the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Pioneer Award...' [17:02]
asciilifeform: 'BaseN, established in 2001, is the inherently scalable computing Platform for hosting billions of spimes, the core objects of the Internet of Things' [17:02]
asciilifeform: sad. [17:02]
asciilifeform: zimmermanned. [17:02]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> ...they sank into a bog? really, all of'em ?? << yeah meanwhile "uber is worth 100 bn". because why ? it's still the same shitty groupon of no margins in a rtight market as it was back when the principals were stealing cereal from supermarkets and people said [18:58]
mircea_popescu: what, the loud nonsense of and well-placed spammers/fraudsters like changed something ? [18:58]
mircea_popescu: no, "those" "sank into swamp" whereas every last hoaxtoshi, ripple, women's rights and black lives matter is "worth" all the moneyz. [18:59]
mircea_popescu: problem ? [18:59]
mircea_popescu: again and again it goes back to that for as long as you read beobachter it will be a case that groupon is a great victory of socialism and nobody heard of [19:02]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:43 mircea_popescu: iirc this was even broken on ro trilema at some ancient point, to usual chorus of "but what proof do you have this proof you have is proofing" and other theguardianisms. [19:02]
a111: Logged on 2014-08-27 05:22 mircea_popescu: vaununu doesn'tr get nearly enough airplay. imo he's the most important jew to have ever been produced by israel. [19:02]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in grainy black-and-white teenage interest, [19:11]
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, "That’s not very nice. Studies have shown that female leaders are less ego-driven and more risk-averse than men. So a woman-led corporation may be less likely to take over the world, but also less likely to go the way of Enron." [19:55]
asciilifeform: the way of yahoo [19:56]
mircea_popescu: EXCEPT, of course, that those "studies" were done on sophomoric psychology students from cheapo colleges, who were told to pretend they're leaders. except they're ~actually~ housewives, and only there for exactly the reason described in [19:57]
mircea_popescu: as it turnsd out this is instinctual female behaviour, seeing how it's equally in the mind of egyptian subsistence nobodies and chinese immigrant to us. [19:57]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile as alf actually points out, whenever one makes the mistake of promoting female to irl leadership position, the result is overambitious ineptitude as perhaps best depicted by [19:59]
mircea_popescu: pro tip : guess what the mousy walflower with no tits and 0 sexual market value did with her life ? [19:59]
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's right. "leadership". of the batshit insane rather than risk averse, utterly scandalous nonsense rather than not ego-driven. [20:00]
mircea_popescu: (yes, that's nancy pelosi.) [20:00]
asciilifeform: what's the other one [20:00]
mircea_popescu: liz taylor. [20:00]
mircea_popescu: << in other lulz. [20:07]
mircea_popescu: the TWIST however, is that the bad guys (uk govt) are trying to protect not "officials" but private individuals, from a crazed online campaign by the usual pantsuit. at stakle is the culling of badgers, which are common pests, and as animals have no rights. [20:07]
asciilifeform: << the site in question . [20:10]
asciilifeform: 'buy this domain' [20:10]
mircea_popescu: heh [20:11]
asciilifeform: already hollowed out, seems. [20:11]
mircea_popescu: well this was a 2012 item [20:11]
asciilifeform: << cache [20:11]
asciilifeform: lulzy [20:12]
asciilifeform: reminds me, did they ever unban the fox hunt over there ? [20:12]
mircea_popescu: nah. [20:12]
asciilifeform: why foxes -- have 'rights', and badgers not. [20:12]
mircea_popescu: they do not. [20:12]
mircea_popescu: uktards are just dumb. [20:12]
asciilifeform: but apparently not consistently ? [20:13]
mircea_popescu: ya well. [20:13]
mircea_popescu: "Our intention is to patrol the cull zones and using Cree LED torches and noise disrupt the illegal shooting of badgers, We will assume that all shooting is illegal until we have been notified by a government body that a farm is licensed. When we have been notified of which specific farms within the zone are legal we will monitor the cull & using Cree LED torches and noise notify marksmen of our presence, not to disrupt the s [20:13]
mircea_popescu: hooting but to make sure everyone is safe. Please read our legal guide to understand the laws and stay within them." << teh strong scent of anal childhood, "lalala we are calling it something else!!!" [20:13]
mircea_popescu: overpowering in that earlier piece re stealing people's money to promote ideas of social engineering that the govt doesn't actually have the guts to put in the budget and tax for. [20:14]
asciilifeform: we have (had?) these folx here in usa. they're the reason why there were armed guards at the rat house at asciilifeform's old lab. [20:14]
mircea_popescu: "oh, property is not a fundamental right but not forcing randos to give it away to our friends may create problems of a most ethereal nature!!11" [20:14]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sounds almost as if their object were to catch a stray bullet here an' there and then blame hunters [20:16]
mircea_popescu: and in other important business news, [20:16]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the object of the anal child is to prove to the world that there is no such thing as his father taking him behind the shed and killingh him with a blunt shovel. [20:16]
mircea_popescu: all other behaviours allign around this. [20:16]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but note that the evan spiegel response is not "so ? do you have a sister ?" but "oh im so ashamed of having pissed into lilly's butt-mouth" [20:17]
asciilifeform: 'deeply regrets' lol [20:19]
asciilifeform: 'cofounder of $2 billion photo application' [20:19]
mircea_popescu: in the sense of hooli having put 2bn worth of bezzle through this particular set of papers. [20:19]
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg [20:19]
mircea_popescu: he's worth not enough to buy me a drink irl. [20:19]
asciilifeform: not even 2bil toothpicks [20:19]
asciilifeform: i suspect 2bil toothpicks , if actually possessed and wielded, would buy something above this nonsense [20:20]
mircea_popescu: well, bunch of small items is a popular mid-course anal stretching prop. [20:20]
mircea_popescu: prolly not toothpicks, but a lot of thin pens works well. [20:21]
asciilifeform: lessay each is worth a tenth of a penny, [20:21]
asciilifeform: !~calc 1e9 * 0.001 [20:21]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: 1e9 * 0.001 = 1000000 [20:21]
asciilifeform: buxorz. [20:21]
mircea_popescu: you don't understand consumer goods. [20:21]
mircea_popescu: toothpicks with demand are worth 20 bux per 500, and without demand are worth negative 100 dollars per ton to store. [20:22]
asciilifeform: troo, they takeupspace. [20:22]
mircea_popescu: it's a very sharp curve, like 1/log(x)*sqrt(x) [20:22]
asciilifeform: hence why i said 'wielded' [20:22]
mircea_popescu: owniong many toothpics is exactly equivalent to owning an option. [20:22]
mircea_popescu: but w/o the implicit underside protection of options. if you're lucky they expire worthless. [20:23]
asciilifeform: yea makes sense. [20:26]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in exciting discoveries, [20:31]
asciilifeform: in other olds, . [20:39]
mircea_popescu: this is a gfx thingee [20:40]
asciilifeform: hm? [20:40]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the series is used in some graphical engine testing [21:25]
mircea_popescu: "worst case", sorta like the memory checker patterns [21:25]
mircea_popescu: trinque is rss still iffy ? [21:28]
mircea_popescu: and in other important california contributions to world-everything, [21:32]
mircea_popescu: for they with closure experience : [21:37]
trinque: eh yup, looks like it is. giving it a look. [21:55]
deedbot: << Ossasepia - Some Costs of Importing Randomness [22:11]
deedbot: << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), September 2017 Statement [22:13]
trinque: appears to have been gagged on a uniturd. thing's due for a rewrite from python to the new lispy stuff. [22:25]
trinque: pretty sure I've fixed the uniturd removal for now. [22:26]
trinque: feeds and deeds are gonna get rewritten as part of connecting them to the wallet service. [22:27]
trinque: once pay-per-lever-pull is solid, plenty of places to go from there. [22:28]
mircea_popescu: a cool [22:36]
mircea_popescu: incidentally trinque you got some kind of continuance in place ? [22:36]
trinque: there's the usual stream of backups as for bus factor, machine-wise the strategy is ever-easier deploys. in regards to my own pulse, was thinking of giving ben_vulpes a holler, so might as well bring it up now. [22:53]
mircea_popescu: i would ~really hate~ having to redo the whole deedbot stack (deeds, wot AND payments) in the manner we had to redo btcalpha when mike got sucked back into fiatlife. [22:58]
mircea_popescu: then again, i would also really hate fucking with a man's work so find something that works for you while it doesn't expose us to that downside. [22:59]
trinque: I'm a stubborn bastard, dead or not. [23:01]
trinque: most of this bot is still intended to be vpatched and released [23:02]
trinque: as for getting sucked back into the fiat world, bot runs on my oath, or passed to someone who can. [23:06]
trinque: speaking of the fiat world, I recently spent an obscene amount of bezzlars working on granting a fella shares in a garden variety llc [23:07]
trinque: my how the fruits of this land entice [23:08]
trinque: well and meanwhile the bot threatens to end up a business. a backups service was only the most obvious and low-hanging one that came to mind. [23:12]
ben_vulpes: << happy to help [23:13]
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-10-04 02:45 trinque: there's the usual stream of backups as for bus factor, machine-wise the strategy is ever-easier deploys. in regards to my own pulse, was thinking of giving ben_vulpes a holler, so might as well bring it up now. [23:13]
trinque: the deposit fee isn't meant to be more than a baseline "help keep the lights on" source of revenue. [23:13]
ben_vulpes: i could probably boot a duplicate of your stack, wallet excepted, in a reasonably short period of time [23:14]
ben_vulpes: provided you sent me some code [23:14]
trinque: great. I'll get you that soon. [23:14]
ben_vulpes: << usgistani corporation types and tax optimization is the fucking worst and most terrible vogonic poetry. [23:15]
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-10-04 03:00 trinque: speaking of the fiat world, I recently spent an obscene amount of bezzlars working on granting a fella shares in a garden variety llc [23:15]
BingoBoingo: Anyone know any good resources for learning the Khmer language? [23:56]
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