Forum logs for 02 Sep 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/09/02/peso-watch-end-augustopen-september/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Peso Watch: End August/Open September [00:36]
spyked: ohey, just noticed ossabot standing in #spyked, ty diana_coman! [04:23]
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932832 <-- hm. when I debugged feedbot, 1st thing I checked was how precisely it disconnects found out that it was the ping-thread consistently calling ircbot-reconnect, which means that it timed out, i.e. [http://coad.thetarpit.org/feedbot/ircbot/c-ircbot.lisp.html#L91][ircbot-handle-pong [04:27]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 21:33:22 trinque: btw, spyked did you actually have a theory whereby my irc bot sits doing w/e for so long it doesn't respond to pings in time? [04:27]
spyked: ] didn't get called in a long time (bot never got to that because it was stuck doing other stuff) [04:27]
spyked: ircbot-handle-pong, that is. [04:28]
spyked: imo it's worth trying the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 pill as long as the bot answers to incoming PINGs when they come, it should be fine. [04:33]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true [04:33]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:29:11 trinque: or alternatively, where's my patch spyked ? [04:33]
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933146 - np [05:10]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 04:39:29 spyked: ohey, just noticed ossabot standing in #spyked, ty diana_coman! [05:10]
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/macri-begins-implementing-capital-controls-as-foreign-currency-reserves-exhaust/ << Qntra -- Macri Begins Implementing Capital Controls As Foreign Currency Reserves Exhaust [13:53]
BingoBoingo: ^ The pretense lasted a full 21 days before they went to to being retarded in the ways they were before. New boss, same as they old boss. [13:56]
mircea_popescu: keks [15:04]
mircea_popescu: inb4 http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/ hurr durr v2.0 [15:04]
BingoBoingo: And yet the derps protest "But Buenos Aires is so clean! Buenos Aires has a METRO!" I counter protest they've gutted and crippled every industry they tried to the point all they do is groom each other an ride the metro. [15:12]
BingoBoingo: If you're going to sell a groom each other economy, the main streets better look clean. [15:13]
mircea_popescu: fucking ridoinculous. [15:13]
mircea_popescu: their metro is possibly the worst in the world. [15:13]
mircea_popescu: belarus even has better. [15:14]
mircea_popescu: nor is it clean, in any sense. it's so fulla garbage as only india can compare. [15:14]
BingoBoingo: The Montevideans are just butthurt actually trying to build a metro on in the local basalt would bankrupt anyone. [15:14]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nor is it clean, in any sense. it's so fulla garbage as only india can compare. << Uruguay looks filthier than it ought to because the "Banco Provision Social" levies taxes on contructions and building work. Counted among these taxed works is... PAINTING [15:16]
mircea_popescu: dude, buenos aires is literal waste dump level, 100 debris bits per square meter rustling softly in the wind each night. [15:16]
mircea_popescu: are you fucking kidding me ? there's no place in europe or the us, or mexico or fucking anywhere nearly as filthy, [15:17]
mircea_popescu: there's cockroaches roaming free EVERYWHERE in town, the "skyscrapers", the business district, all residential areas, [15:17]
mircea_popescu: it' [15:17]
mircea_popescu: s just filth central. [15:17]
BingoBoingo: The latinos appear to make their claim off of the area near the obelisk which they conveniently have pictures of. [15:19]
mircea_popescu: it is not true re area around obelisk. i lived there, for like a year, literally on the block 1 of corrientes, within 50m of the actual obelisk. [15:19]
mircea_popescu: also have pictures. [15:19]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So get ready for the punchline. The ground is NOT in their pictures! [15:20]
mircea_popescu: the downtown is ~especially~ filthy, at that. [15:20]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, heh [15:20]
mircea_popescu: i suppose the air is cleaner than in, say, bogota. on account of all of argentina having less industry than bogota. [15:21]
BingoBoingo: Montevideo air could be ~20 times cleaner if they's put goddamned exhaust filters on the "Omníbusses" [15:22]
BingoBoingo: But no, instead they wank that electric busses are coming soon enough [15:22]
mircea_popescu: why don't they, anyway ? [15:22]
BingoBoingo: Because the filters would cost something like ~500 USD per bus and the current Fat Forehead cardboard artist regime would rather derp about "all electric any time nao" [15:23]
mircea_popescu: meh [15:23]
mircea_popescu: and then the electricity, they're gonna make on coal fired plants or what. [15:24]
mircea_popescu: eucalyptus [15:24]
BingoBoingo: Right now Uruguay's a hyrdro country with some wind wank. There's rivers here. There's no coal though, only basalt. Finns recently committed to pulping the Eucalyptus. [15:25]
mircea_popescu: aha [15:25]
BingoBoingo: Finns also brought a "We're free to walk away from the pulp mill at any time" clause in their development contract. [15:27]
mircea_popescu: i can imagine why [15:28]
BingoBoingo: Same reason they's insist on one across the river. [15:28]
BingoBoingo: Also preliminary inqueries suggest the Argentines looking to escape into Uruguay... aren't asking about Montevideo. Nor are they asking about opportunities in the Interior either... [15:32]
BingoBoingo: The only place in Uruguay suited to Porteño tastes is PUNTA DEL ESTE! [15:32]
mircea_popescu: keks [15:32]
BingoBoingo: Punta del Este has no industry for 10 and a half months out of the year. [15:33]
BingoBoingo: Then again probably better they crowd into Punta Del Este than price the Venezolanas out of Centro, Ciudad Vieja, and Tres Cruces in Montevideo. [15:36]
mircea_popescu: yep. blesfully argentines are self-limiting disease. like bed bugs. [15:40]
BingoBoingo: And in truly grave signs, Argentina's beef exports are UP. As in fire sale: https://archive.is/MlajJ [15:40]
feedbot: http://billymg.com/2019/09/additional-tests-for-mp-wp-now-according-to-spec/ << billymg -- Additional tests for mp-wp, now according to spec [15:52]
mircea_popescu: a nice! [15:53]
mircea_popescu: ^ example of ~20kb patch that's well justified. [15:54]
mircea_popescu: i expect going forward tests will be 10x to 100x the vpatch bulk [15:54]
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933149 << the one thing that logger could readily improve on, is fixing these split-line issues. can it look ahead in next line if current line has a broklen [][] structure ? [16:00]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 04:27:57 spyked: ] didn't get called in a long time (bot never got to that because it was stuck doing other stuff) [16:00]
billymg: looking forward to when i can get out of the salt mines and dedicate more time to this, especially when the test suite is complete and i can get back to the mass deleting [16:05]
mircea_popescu: doing pretty well so far. [16:06]
mircea_popescu: the one cool thing about a complete testing suite is that it'd even allow rewriting into other langs. [16:07]
mircea_popescu: not that i see the benefit of retargetting to say python or bash nor does it seem sensible to do php work in cl. but as a principle. [16:07]
diana_coman: oh, nice work billymg ! I can fully appreciate having a testing suite esp reflecting the spec like that, nice. [16:32]
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/02/ossabot-and-its-flask-of-python-27-on-centos-6/ << Ossa Sepia -- Ossabot and Its Flask of Python 2.7 on CentOS 6 [16:34]
billymg: ah ty diana_coman [16:34]
diana_coman: I've finally got around to making the changes from http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/ and it works wonderfully! e.g. http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/?b=Logotron&e=#select [16:35]
diana_coman: asciilifeform: my sigs for logotron code ^ [16:35]
mircea_popescu: lol check it out diana_coman , we pinged each other at the ~same exact time [17:21]
mircea_popescu: within the minute anyways [17:21]
mircea_popescu: 9:48 here both in any case. [17:22]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, I don't seem to have gotten that pingback though? [17:35]
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/ << Trilema -- So I was thinking... [17:40]
mircea_popescu: hm [18:02]
* asciilifeform back from meat, ate log, nao -- various folx's ps0ts [18:49]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933213 << ty diana_coman ! i'ma put'em on my www tomorrow [19:04]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 16:35:33 diana_coman: asciilifeform: my sigs for logotron code ^ [19:04]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933180 << this, and the 1e6 grass-cutter-engined puttputts. prolly the 1 thing asciilifeform didn't like in BingoBoingostan . the humidity concentrates the gas, also [19:05]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:22:13 BingoBoingo: Montevideo air could be ~20 times cleaner if they's put goddamned exhaust filters on the "Omníbusses" [19:05]
asciilifeform: ( fwiw i suspect that there's no escape from the 2cycle motors anywhere, with possible exception of where Mocky went, where only dukes get driver license and commoners must instead camel ) [19:06]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933202 << ffa test tapes already weigh 150+MB collectively [19:07]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:54:34 mircea_popescu: i expect going forward tests will be 10x to 100x the vpatch bulk [19:07]
* asciilifeform 'cheated', they're of course generated by generator tapes. but fact remains, gotta have 'canonical' test [19:08]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933203 << i wanted this in the 1st draft, but not yet thought of how to do this without mutilating the line ordering (i.e. merging fragmented lines into 1) [19:09]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 16:00:20 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933149 << the one thing that logger could readily improve on, is fixing these split-line issues. can it look ahead in next line if current line has a broklen [][] structure ? [19:09]
asciilifeform: there's a pretty large pile of broken []isms in the historic log [19:10]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933168 << the 'ru-ar' d00d claimed that current fuhrer had these cleaned. but i'd believe when see with own eyes (and i dun have expedition planned to peronistan just to find whether troo..) [19:12]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:16:59 mircea_popescu: dude, buenos aires is literal waste dump level, 100 debris bits per square meter rustling softly in the wind each night. [19:12]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933170 << interestingly, haven't seen cockroach for many years here in 'north argentina' . they must've emigrated to these greener pastures. [19:14]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:17:45 mircea_popescu: there's cockroaches roaming free EVERYWHERE in town, the "skyscrapers", the business district, all residential areas, [19:14]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933181 << ~90% of bus in washingtonistan, run on compressed propane nao. ( massive tank on roof ) [19:16]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:22:27 BingoBoingo: But no, instead they wank that electric busses are coming soon enough [19:16]
BingoBoingo: Doing busses off of LPG here would fuck up the local energy market so much... [19:16]
asciilifeform: it only even begins to make sense in locales where the gas is actually mined [19:17]
BingoBoingo: 13kg tank of "supergas" is ~month of cooking for most folk's I've talked to. [19:18]
BingoBoingo: Restaurants not on the pipe gas network usually go for 45kg tanks in pairs. [19:20]
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933228 << i don't even think it's a cheat, fwiw. more like mastery. [19:52]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:08:18 asciilifeform: 'cheated', they're of course generated by generator tapes. but fact remains, gotta have 'canonical' test [19:52]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: initially i wrote perlisms to generate'em, then thought 'wtf' and rewrote in peh proper [19:52]
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933229 << i don't think there's anything wrong with removing the fragment of a [][] from the 2nd line and putting it in 1st. [19:53]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:09:53 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933203 << i wanted this in the 1st draft, but not yet thought of how to do this without mutilating the line ordering (i.e. merging fragmented lines into 1) [19:53]
mircea_popescu: in fairness though, this should be fixed at client level. [19:53]
mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so... [19:53]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like a client that warns when about to frag line ( but can't be currently aroused to try an' patch 'xchat', 'irssi', other horrors ) [19:53]
mircea_popescu: ikr. [19:54]
mircea_popescu: i just want it to frag correctly, treat [][] as a single word, if not fit, put in new line. [19:54]
asciilifeform: 'xchat' in particular doesn't even prevent word frag [19:54]
mircea_popescu: from cursory examination this'd require however introducing the notion of wrap, extant clients do not care, split by char. [19:54]
asciilifeform: (cuts on arbitrary char) [19:54]
mircea_popescu: exactly. [19:54]
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933234 << no frost there. makes a diff. [19:57]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:14:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933170 << interestingly, haven't seen cockroach for many years here in 'north argentina' . they must've emigrated to these greener pastures. [19:57]
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933236 << like ye olde sovok exactly. [19:58]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:16:05 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933181 << ~90% of bus in washingtonistan, run on compressed propane nao. ( massive tank on roof ) [19:58]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sovok had even odder thing -- taxis on propane [19:59]
asciilifeform: ( where it's utterly batshit, given as can go maybe 200km on 1 fill ) [19:59]
mircea_popescu: world is fulla them today. [20:03]
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933151 << how do I know when to reconnect if I do this? [20:21]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 04:33:14 spyked: imo it's worth trying the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 pill as long as the bot answers to incoming PINGs when they come, it should be fine. [20:21]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true [20:21]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:29:11 trinque: or alternatively, where's my patch spyked ? [20:21]
trinque: lol damn [20:21]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 << atm i suspect the chore of 'new clients' won't be escapable, in light of gossipd [20:40]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:53:40 mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so... [20:40]
trinque: yes, but then, eh? [20:40]
asciilifeform: then. [20:40]
asciilifeform: imho it's not a waste of time to at least think about how sane chat client oughta behave, tho. [20:41]
mircea_popescu: yet writing client for clear and sane spec quite different experience from patching "soft consensus and working code" biomass. [20:42]
mircea_popescu: or was it "rough consensus" [20:43]
asciilifeform: patching the 'biomass' can only produce moar of same mass [20:43]
asciilifeform: ( some time, with barf bag prepared in advance, take a peek at what e.g. 'xchat' consists of. ) [20:44]
trinque: accidental complexity of irc plus accidental complexity of gtk or w/e, cum socks galore [20:46]
asciilifeform: trinque: i've yet to encounter the hypothetical marvel where pile of opensores reads other than like e.g. gcc, i.e. tumour mass. [20:46]
trinque: really it's times, isn't it, not "plus" [20:47]
asciilifeform: 'raised to power' [20:47]
asciilifeform: ( the items which seem like exception -- e.g. gnat, where -- at least the ada part -- is almost readable -- to date were products of small group of actually organized effort , rather than 'esr's bazar' or whatnot ) [20:48]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> or was it "rough consensus" << Sulphide rich consensus [20:49]
asciilifeform: trinque: ever try, btw, to write a proggy for gtk ? [20:49]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no, i know. [20:49]
asciilifeform: gtk itself is quite a... mass [20:49]
* asciilifeform to his sorrow, tried [20:49]
trinque: asciilifeform: no, but toiled once inside a yuge Qt beast [20:50]
asciilifeform: this tried also [20:50]
asciilifeform: 2 different qt's ('3' and '4') even [20:50]
asciilifeform: horrendous thing. even introduces ~nonstandard extension to cpp~, w/ own preprocessor [20:50]
trinque: only one preprocessor, must be poor. [20:51]
trinque: in other poverties, ripping out the threadism in deedbot [20:52]
trinque: about to stand up the newly muntzed item in #trinque for a bit before swap [20:52]
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta why asciilifeform regularly returns to mircea_popescu's (unwritten, but 'between the lines') dictum where 'the only people who have any biznis writing progs, is folx who never program' [20:52]
asciilifeform: paradox, on the surface, but perhaps still true [20:52]
trinque: people who think for a living oughtn't dull themselves with programming [20:53]
asciilifeform: !qs best machine is no machine [20:54]
snsabot: 13 results for "best machine is no machine" in #trilema [20:54]
asciilifeform: ^ see also. [20:54]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1056 has ENDED: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred SOLD by trinque for 131mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo [20:57]
* asciilifeform searches for that 'errybody has a finite N loc in'em before 'black lung'' thread, but cannot presently find. [20:57]
trinque: wew [20:57]
trinque: BingoBoingo: pls to gpg instructions [20:57]
* asciilifeform meanwhile found was in era 1 . [20:59]
* asciilifeform brb:meat. [21:00]
BingoBoingo: trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t01HD/?raw=true [21:23]
trinque: ack [21:28]
BingoBoingo: Let me know which one you pick [21:34]
trinque: former, since it has worked before [21:36]
trinque: BingoBoingo: bombs away [21:44]
BingoBoingo: Aite [21:44]
BingoBoingo: trinque: GPG me the tracking number and I'll retreive it in the morning [21:44]
trinque: BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9XkTR/?raw=true [21:47]
trinque: possibru also present in your mail inbox [21:47]
BingoBoingo: trinque: ty [21:48]
BingoBoingo: But no, they never mail me [21:48]
trinque: !!v 0CADCCC6AE836C361C46B7343E94B06C25DCE0C8D65ED700671A5A9637F91BDA [21:49]
deedbot: Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.131 << for auction 1056 [21:50]
trinque: feel free to settle ^ with cash in hand tomorrow [21:50]
BingoBoingo: !!pay-invoice trinque 14 [21:53]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oX5Bg/?raw=true [21:53]
BingoBoingo: !!v B040F21B8626A94CFAD0A47EC17C066117959BFFF75215380BD3C89A1F052B40 [21:53]
deedbot: BingoBoingo paid trinque invoice 14 [21:53]
trinque: ty [21:53]
BingoBoingo: np [21:53]
BingoBoingo: ty [21:54]
BingoBoingo: And "blue" rates on the dollar are starting to make it into papers. "Dólar Banco Nación 59, dólar blue 64" [21:59]
asciilifeform: 'convertible ruble'!1111 [22:37]
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in aging and oxidation https://i.imgur.com/MR6r9hp.jpg [22:44]
feedbot: http://trinque.org/2019/09/02/quetiapine/ << trinque -- Quetiapine [23:23]
trinque: well, there's one kidney stone down, plenty more to go. [23:26]
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