Forum logs for 05 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

asciilifeform	johntraveller: the worst thing, arguably, that ever happened to mr mold, is the 'moldosphere'	[00:00]
asciilifeform	johntraveller: as i gather, he saw the quality of the 'followers' and went full perelman.	[00:00]
bounce	words of musing and distraction	[00:00]
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johntraveller	asciilifeform: yup, I’d agree with that. he himself said he had enough friends, he wanted better critics	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform strange that he tried to copy bitcoin but didn't manage to think of the assbot voice.	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	i suppose you put this under "no greek"	[00:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: afaik he did not copy, initially, but marched on with his pre-2009 turdcoin	[00:01]
asciilifeform	i could've easily went there.	[00:01]
asciilifeform	along with 1000 other people	[00:01]
asciilifeform	i'm still waiting to hear about someone other than mr mold, who did this	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	perhaps i overstate. but fuck it, someone's gotta.	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	this is a point.	[00:02]
asciilifeform	other thing is, when reading his 'i'm a surrender monkey, usg cannot be killed' posts, must remember that he's a 'tenured sea cucumber' in the sense that he keeps a dependopotamus, it birthed children, and he knows he won't be making it out of the gravity pit.	[00:03]
*	mircea_popescu avoids starting a rant on the topic as he's ranted recently and is well rantsated :D	[00:04]
asciilifeform	i think mircea_popescu already did this essay	[00:04]
asciilifeform	!s cuckolding	[00:04]
assbot	18 results for 'cuckolding' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cuckolding	[00:04]
asciilifeform	that one.	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i have this earlier convo burnished in my memory, me: "you know, it's quite possible you'll die there" op: "eh, fuckit. i'm too old anyway." me: "you're twenty four!"	[00:06]
johntraveller	asciilifeform: yeah. I also get the sense he hasn’t travelled much. living abroad makes it much easy to see your own cultural matrix, so to speak	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	guy had a pretty gf and a two year old kid. too old, iho.	[00:06]
asciilifeform	johntraveller: afaik his stepfather, usg diplomat, dragged him to several places around the empire	[00:07]
asciilifeform	cyprus, he wrote about, possibly elsewhere	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	johntraveller so where've you been ?	[00:08]
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johntraveller	asciilifeform: oh yeah, you’re right. my theory was that people like MP or taleb, who grew up in somewhat sane cultures, instinctively see the craziness of anglo-american ideas. if you grew up in the english speaking world it’s harder to see that	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	on the plus side, it's very easy to see the craziness of romanian o wait. nope. listen, somehow english speakers had a lot of trouble figuring out exactly how and exactly where ro nonsense was broken, back in the 90s.	[00:10]
asciilifeform	johntraveller: outside of the anglo world, there is (or at least, until recently, was) a bacchanalia of xenophiliac idiocy ('let's copy usa! they have cadillacs and we have trabant, they must be clever')	[00:10]
johntraveller	mircea_popescu: spent a couple of years in china and a year in HK, visited malaysia, india, tibet, phillipines, algeria and a bunch of european coutnries	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	o hey nice! do you speak chinese ?	[00:10]
asciilifeform	!s luxor business center	[00:10]
assbot	0 results for 'luxor business center' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=luxor+business+center	[00:10]
johntraveller	kinda though I’m a bit rusty	[00:11]
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mircea_popescu	you looking for work ? we still need chinese coverage.	[00:11]
johntraveller	mircea_popescu: not looking for work but definitely open to btc-related projects	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	johntraveller one major thing is that qntra doesn't/can't quite follow chinese language news atm. if you can bridge that gap there's glory in there.	[00:12]
BingoBoingo	^	[00:12]
BingoBoingo	Definitely a glory hole in qntra's coverage there	[00:13]
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jurov	today is the ipo, tomorrow is GLORY	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	also i wish it entered into the record that romania was at no point during its ~2500ish year history sane. not ever.	[00:14]
johntraveller	mircea_popescu: so I’m moving back to china in a couple of weeks. (working with my russian friend on a bunch of mobile-related projects). depending on how much money there is in it, my 1st thought is find a local finance student who could research/write part-time?	[00:14]
asciilifeform	china projects << gonna build iPnohes?	[00:15]
bounce	if you can find someone with decent english	[00:15]
jurov	johntraveller: the qntra writers are rewarded by shares	[00:16]
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bounce	what sort of projects?	[00:16]
johntraveller	sadly not that exciting. mostly stuff around mobile marketing. my friend is the kind of guy involved in multiple pies though	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	johntraveller fluent foreigner is usually a better model than local esl, but maybe worth a shot.	[00:17]
*	bounce has a phone spec in mind that could stand building	[00:17]
johntraveller	mircea_popescu: hmm, maybe I should organise a couple local guys to do research and I write it up in english?	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	that may be a steamrollin' arrangement.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	bounce o.o. secret spec ?	[00:18]
bounce	totally	[00:18]
chetty	http://www.myfoxny.com/story/27267243/gas-now-cheaper-than-milk	[00:18]
assbot	Gas now cheaper than milk - New York News	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	chetty well, you can snif gas.	[00:18]
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bounce	more like, have a couple drafts laying around, should probably try and merge them	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	bounce aren't phones one of those things you gotta make 1mn units min ?	[00:19]
rithm	milk per-gallon has always been relatively high priced	[00:20]
chetty	I would go for a phone I knew didnt have n*a in it	[00:20]
bounce	have shop run up a sample or two and I'd be happy really	[00:20]
asciilifeform	chetty: much of what folks object to re: phones happens on the tower end.	[00:21]
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mircea_popescu	^	[00:21]
asciilifeform	chetty: the only exception, really, is the 'pwned phone listens at all times' and 'pwned phone dumps www/mail logins to pwner'	[00:21]
bounce	yes, and to fix that you'd really need to redesign the protocol	[00:21]
chetty	true, but we do what little we can ...(mostly I use the off button atm)	[00:21]
bounce	you could make a phone that gives you as much insight and control as available; this is quite a bit more than currently available.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if mail is used correctly (send/received armored gpg blobs) this yields no further information than already available.	[00:22]
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mircea_popescu	;;rated johntraveller	[00:23]
bounce	and do a network side that isn't as full of holes as the current crop, and do proper separation, and provide a full off of the wireless side while leaving the other functions available, and so on.	[00:23]
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mircea_popescu	;;rated johntraveller 1 voice.	[00:23]
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mircea_popescu	;;rate johntraveller 1 voice.	[00:23]
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mircea_popescu	johntraveller voice yerself.	[00:23]
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mircea_popescu	bounce i'd be happy with os stacks that didn't make world depend on internet etc.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	much easier to do, still undone.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/	[00:24]
assbot	Ubuntu is a worse piece of shit than MS-DOS ever was. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	"There is no motherfucking reason conceivable or inconceivable that x.org should depend on netbase." i say!	[00:24]
bounce	freedesktop.org needs to die, more or less	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	how about compiz ?	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	gdm ?	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	gvfs ?	[00:25]
thestringpuller	lol compiz always reminded me of macs	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	for good reason.	[00:27]
kakobrekla	it seems i found 'the no guy' > http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/	[00:28]
assbot	BitBet Stats	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	10% not bad	[00:28]
kakobrekla	imma guess its someone from ba	[00:29]
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mircea_popescu	johntraveller to voice yourself, pm assbot !up	[00:31]
johntraveller	thanks, I did already, was just reading more about qntra	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	ah cool.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if mail is used correctly << consequences of hijacked mailbox are still ugly	[00:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: esp. given all the idiot www gadgets that don't use pgp, and allow mail-based pw resets	[00:38]
asciilifeform	e.g., fiat banks, www hosts, public utilities	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	ah, the blessings of not actually using any of those.	[00:38]
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asciilifeform	even in the most elementary case, using none of these, pwner can lock you out of own mailbox	[00:39]
asciilifeform	not necessarily fatal, but quite unpleasant if that was your sole means of contact with somebody.	[00:40]
asciilifeform	he can also 'be you' to any moron who isn't asking for pgp sig, and impersonate, and summon gasenwagen, etc.	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	you really should own the box.	[00:40]
asciilifeform	which box?	[00:40]
asciilifeform	mail server? sure.	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	mail@box	[00:40]
asciilifeform	but original thread was about the perils of pNohes	[00:41]
johntraveller	bounce: a dutch entrepreneur in the city I’m moving to had his own tablet built a few years back	[00:41]
asciilifeform	the kind which contain login creds	[00:41]
bounce	cost?	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah, i got nothin'.	[00:41]
chetty	dont use fingerprint, usg says you have no privacy rights with those	[00:42]
asciilifeform	'own tablet' - means what? own chipset, nothing from 'arm' ? own os, from zero?	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	you know, ever since the photo debate with bounce a few days ago, i'm kinda curious to see this photography drone gadget. imagine all the YOLO picutres taken by this orbiting drone thing.	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	+ much better homemade porn	[00:42]
asciilifeform	chetty: afaik the 'fingerprint' pnohes are intended to keep the common pickpocket out of your cached logins, until you can send remote-zap command	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	how much would this cost to make ?	[00:42]
asciilifeform	chetty: rather than serious enemy	[00:43]
bounce	drone with camera is pretty much COTS?	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	bounce but one specifically optimised for the role of following you around taking pictures of things. like a sort of gopro with ai.	[00:44]
asciilifeform	the typical flight time of the various extant machines is about half hour.	[00:44]
ben_vulpes	+ much better homemade porn << noisy as shit though	[00:44]
asciilifeform	then, 4-5 hrs. of charger.	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes "if you can hear Shooty you're not fucking her right" as a slogan ?	[00:44]
asciilifeform	can mitigate, to some extent, with a return-to-base and cell swap gambit	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform better yet, thing should know where the batteries are kept, fly over, change ITSELF. let the spare charge.	[00:45]
asciilifeform	at some point, some joker somewhere will build the one that latches onto and inductively charges from aerial mains cables	[00:45]
asciilifeform	bringing the inevitable chaos	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	shit that's a great idea.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	omfg now i really want one.	[00:46]
asciilifeform	they'll be retrofitted with mumetal shields, at ruinous public expense, i bet	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	THIS will be the next step in b-a terrorism.	[00:46]
bounce	that'd be entirely out of spite, not for actual need	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	bounce spite is the only real engine of human progress.	[00:46]
asciilifeform	kinder, gentler option: streetlights	[00:46]
bounce	those things aren't loss-free	[00:46]
johntraveller	bounce: dunno about cost. I don’t think he went especially ‘custom’, though lots of chinese firms have been making custom handsets with custom android mods.	[00:47]
asciilifeform	streetlight, unlike sol, is a very concentrated source of light	[00:47]
asciilifeform	easy to charge from.	[00:47]
asciilifeform	custom android mods << lol. snore.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform think about it, a cop-filming, revenge-porn-making, electrictity stealing personal dronepet!	[00:47]
johntraveller	asciilifeform: maybe some chinese kid will try and build his own lisp machine. sadly they’re not there yet	[00:47]
asciilifeform	johntraveller: chinese kid with semiconductors plant.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	they exist.	[00:48]
asciilifeform	johntraveller: and own logic cell library, own synthesis toolchain.	[00:48]
*	bounce would want (feature)phone hardware with full access and docs, add s/w myself	[00:48]
asciilifeform	can exist, why not	[00:48]
asciilifeform	on the moon, perhaps a piece of fine roquefort cheese exists.	[00:48]
ben_vulpes	why not just do it with sdr?	[00:48]
bounce	of the feature phone OS kind, no full linux and shit	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	bounce afaik there is still no good phone os	[00:49]
asciilifeform	full access and docs << strictly banned in usa (and possibly eu)	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	there's either android, samsung retarded linux port or mac-whatever that is.	[00:49]
ben_vulpes	why should there be a "phone" object instead of a thing one plugs into computers that provides a /dev/phone?	[00:49]
bounce	well, that's why you order the things built in shenzen	[00:49]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: /dev/phone right here!	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes so you want your phone to be irc ?	[00:49]
asciilifeform	chicom dongles, about $10 in qty. 1	[00:50]
asciilifeform	closed firmware though. but they take 'hayes modem' commands and present a pcm device for voice.	[00:50]
ben_vulpes	i want to hook into the cell network from my laptop; make/receive calls etc	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	(why would someone with a computer use a phone)	[00:50]
*	bounce is initially thinking of something like the 6310, only updated hardware. can easily still be b/w lcd. no need for fancy shit there.	[00:50]
ben_vulpes	you're all right	[00:51]
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asciilifeform	why would someone with a computer use a phone << dial-up from phonebooth in $turdworldshithole ?	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform uhm.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	anywhere has cable by now.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	fallback comms for cut fiber?	[00:51]
bounce	heck, put a e-ink display on it. though those exist in sorta-colour too	[00:51]
asciilifeform	quite a few folks have wireless gizmos for fallback	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but you'd use the "phone" to push text anyway.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	phone does not presume voice.	[00:52]
bounce	nope. plenty of places have nothing but dialup over rusty barbed wire	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, maybe i'm weird, but the only actual point of calling, ie voice, would be a woman, and rather than call (ie, on phone) i'd always prefer to call (ie, bitch get on plane)	[00:52]
bounce	yeah, you are	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	you all grew up in crazy places!	[00:53]
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asciilifeform	cat bitch_number_hayes.txt >> bitch_get_on_phone.wav >> /dev/phone	[00:53]
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bounce	'sides, the point of building a phone is to have access to all the capabilities on offer with the networks it gives access to	[00:53]
asciilifeform	wai wat?	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	but canonical form is gpg --encrypt --armor -r bitch "get on plane" \| curl --post http://bitcherrarium.net	[00:54]
bounce	so I'd have modem and fax support as well as voice and sms and whatnot. whether you use it is up to you.	[00:54]
asciilifeform	fax?!	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	srsly. fax ?!	[00:55]
bounce	yes, absolutely.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	why not teletype ?	[00:55]
asciilifeform	telex!	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	yeah that one.	[00:55]
bounce	sure. though +/- 30v is a bit of a pain. and anyway, nobody does that these days, you'd interface through a 'net gateway somewhere.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	unlike fax ?!	[00:55]
bounce	but having "an app" to talk to such a gateway would be on the list	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	bounce you seriously duly received an actual fax in the course of business ?	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	no monkey business and no funny stuff mind you!	[00:56]
bounce	I sent a couple	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	so did i. both to... uspto! of all places	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	because idiots.	[00:56]
*	asciilifeform keeps a fax in consulting office. it is used only for usg.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	right.	[00:56]
asciilifeform	afaik no one else bothers with fac	[00:57]
asciilifeform	fax	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	fux	[00:57]
asciilifeform	facks.	[00:57]
bounce	used a faxmodem. good for talking to gov't but also for bypassing phone queues	[00:57]
bounce	instead of waiting in the queue, write letter, fax, get reception receipt	[00:57]
bounce	carries law protection and the receipt is valid in court	[00:57]
bounce	so yeah, fax.	[00:57]
*	mircea_popescu folds.	[00:58]
asciilifeform	incidentally, i bet there's still a battalion at ft meade in charge of curating a library of sploits for fax machines.	[00:58]
asciilifeform	i bet they're just dying of boredom. won't somebody help.	[00:58]
bounce	I don't plan on using that sort of thing, but if I'm building a phone it's gotta have the capability	[00:58]
bounce	just like it needs csd for dialup as well as crypto voice support	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	the "i don't plan to use the capability" thing makes me wonder : isn't it strange that "infertility" isn't the leading thing in dating sites and comedian's routines re dating sites ?	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	gals want a guy that's funny and whatever, guy wants a girl that's infertile.	[00:59]
asciilifeform	go verify.	[00:59]
bounce	apropos, fax is still popular in japan, apparently. great for quick sketches and notes. take picture, fax. sure why not.	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	i should have heard this joke to death by now, neh ?	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	bounce that's because their language fucking sucks.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	by the time you explain what you want you could have drawn it five times over.	[01:00]
bounce	more reason to support it then	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	you are aware i folded in utter defeat like fifty lines up yes ?	[01:00]
*	dub has had to fax in the last couple of years	[01:00]
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bounce	there's a bigger pattern here though	[01:01]
asciilifeform	'reflection technologies' had, around 1990, a prototype of a pocket phone that sent, received faxes, and view through ocular	[01:01]
asciilifeform	(similar to this one, also theirs, http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html )	[01:01]
assbot	Parallel Port Interface to the Private Eye P4 Head-Mounted Display	[01:01]
asciilifeform	afaik went nowhere.	[01:01]
dub	telco still goes to retarded lengths to maintain fax compat	[01:02]
asciilifeform	even voip lines from various carriers work fine at 14.4kbaud.	[01:02]
*	asciilifeform verified this personally	[01:02]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i think that's mandated, buried in the license language somewhere 500 pages deep	[01:02]
asciilifeform	although, on second thought, not sure if it was pumping the full 14.4. there's auto-rate in there.	[01:03]
asciilifeform	'POTS' (voice telephone) service exists pretty much at the decree of usg, mainly for its own purposes	[01:03]
asciilifeform	(in usa, naturally)	[01:03]
asciilifeform	even the automagic bugging machine mandated at every telco switch is specified, in grindingly pedantic detail, in a dead tree standards doc	[01:04]
asciilifeform	incidentally, these are usually accessed via www now, and quite a few have been loudly pwned	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	even more, silently.	[01:05]
asciilifeform	(gone are the days when a live monkey had to plug a tape recorder into your pair)	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	which is why the "terrorist" members of the public don't want the government to have "capabilities"	[01:05]
bounce	IIRC they demodulate the fax and send the data over voip, then remodulate on the other end (or just hand you the fax data, if they can)	[01:06]
asciilifeform	bounce: it's all packets, probably less than 1km from where you stand.	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	'own tablet' - means what? own chipset, nothing from 'arm' ? own os, from zero? << From slate with frame is a couple hours, input device is chalk	[01:07]
bounce	yeah, but "packets" with modulated fax signal in a sampled-and-compressed voice channel is rather tricky to get right. better to demodulate the fax and send the data.	[01:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00073364 = 11.9583 BTC [+]	[01:15]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/	[01:15]
assbot	Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	o hey.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	well... it's a culture...	[01:15]
pete_dushenski	my nearest meatspace approximation is the masons w/o the symbols	[01:16]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu tis certainly a culture	[01:16]
pete_dushenski	and one with a structure quite unfamiliar to the western reader	[01:17]
pete_dushenski	so like everything else bad and trolling and terrorist mkay, it's hard to distinguish it from a cult	[01:17]
pete_dushenski	a cult of course being conventiently ill defined	[01:18]
pete_dushenski	and at 3000 words, this makes the longest piece yet on the pages of contravex	[01:18]
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mircea_popescu	The government tries to minimize publicity about the names of agents investigating cases involving potentially violent criminals. "The information (about agents) he gave out might threaten somebody's safety -- the information that he broadcast could imperil somebody," Ashman said.	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	cute huh.	[01:22]
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mircea_popescu	police breaking down door, which obviously imperils someone - such as the random bystander, is a-ok. naming agents however MIGHT imperil someone, such as an asshole abusing his offical status to powerplay. this is very un-ok.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	fatlogic.	[01:24]
pete_dushenski	fatstatelogic	[01:26]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/21/tete-a-tete-with-a-neo-national-socialist/#comment-4486 << this morin kid just keeps motorin'	[01:29]
assbot	Tête-À-Tête With A Neo-National Socialist \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[01:29]
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mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski i thought you two were irl buddies or something	[01:32]
pete_dushenski	he's from around here and i recognize the name...	[01:33]
pete_dushenski	just can't put a face to it	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	i guess i should start a special service. "for only one small pile of internet funbux, i will viciously insult one commenter on your blog entirely out of left side. cheaper than hiring indians to write comments, funnier too."	[01:34]
pete_dushenski	lol you'd be oversubscribed and end up closing mpex to focus on this "real work"	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	yeah i guess ima have to keep doing it on an amateur basis.	[01:35]
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pete_dushenski	god this hotel lounge is fucking perfect, even if this old fashioned is watered down	[01:36]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu even funbux corrupt. prolly better this way.	[01:36]
pete_dushenski	cazalla BingoBoingo http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/fredrik-neij-pirate-bay-co-founder-arrested-in-thailand-1.2822840	[01:38]
assbot	Fredrik Neij, Pirate Bay co-founder, arrested in Thailand - World - CBC News	[01:38]
pete_dushenski	^ thestringpuller	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[01:38]
jurov	did anyone try to send patches as decribed on btc-dev page?	[01:38]
ben_vulpes	several days ago	[01:38]
ben_vulpes	it worked so i didn't poke at it further	[01:39]
jurov	ben_vulpes: but i added the rules only yesterday	[01:39]
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jurov	ben_vulpes and what about the move to 0xdeadbeef.org or such?	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	"Regional Immigration Police Commissioner Maj. Gen. Chartchai Eimsaeng said a U.S.-based movie association had hired a Thai lawyer to search for Neij, and his photo had been given to immigration police in Nong Khai." herp.	[01:39]
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ben_vulpes	so many things	[01:39]
ben_vulpes	w/r/t domain, do you have nameservers	[01:40]
ben_vulpes	?	[01:40]
jurov	i can set up	[01:40]
ben_vulpes	plz do then tell mircea_popescu what they are and (pretty please) he will configure records appropriately	[01:41]
jurov	what is the domain exactly?	[01:41]
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ben_vulpes	f9beb4d9.org	[01:42]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu, i have a look later this arvo, things to do this morning	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	!up themediator	[01:44]
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pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: why not decide alberta is from now on 600ad byzantine style. << because progress. it's completely tragic how badly alberta's original building stock has been treated. perfectly lovely neoclassical buildings are now surface parking lots.	[01:44]
pete_dushenski	and in 600ad, even 1850ad, it was just... teepees	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	teepees are better for the environment!	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	make them out of plastic!	[01:45]
pete_dushenski	or the skins of your enemies. either way	[01:47]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes jurov dns updated.	[01:47]
ben_vulpes	sweet! ty mircea_popescu	[01:49]
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pete_dushenski	http://bitbet.us/bet/1059/light-sweet-crude-oil-wti-feb-2015-to/#c4217 << lawlsky!	[02:00]
assbot	BitBet - Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $70 before 2015 :: 4.11 B (46%) on Yes, 4.77 B (54%) on No \| closing in 1 month 1 week\| weight: 76`078 (100`000 to 1)	[02:00]
asciilifeform	cult << incidentally, mathematics (as a professional or even amateur pursuit) fits more or less every extant definition of 'cult'	[02:01]
asciilifeform	(just one example)	[02:02]
pete_dushenski	interesting to note	[02:02]
asciilifeform	the maniacal fuhrer position is, afaik, open at the moment	[02:02]
asciilifeform	but was filled in the past (e.g., pythagoras)	[02:02]
pete_dushenski	probably one in a generation/century/millenium type of thing	[02:03]
asciilifeform	http://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu	[02:04]
assbot	The Mathematics Genealogy Project - Welcome!	[02:04]
asciilifeform	^ behold and quiver.	[02:04]
asciilifeform	(spoiler: pretty much everyone who is known to matter, is in leibniz, gauss, etc. 'wot.')	[02:04]
thestringpuller	if sim city has taught me anything: cut taxes to 0, make factories everywhere and have them pay the bills	[02:05]
*	asciilifeform l0lz at serenissima cult essay, where he is listed as 'expert'	[02:07]
pete_dushenski	so jurov, how do i transfer my s.qntra to coinbr? id by incoming btc address?	[02:08]
pete_dushenski	;;ident	[02:08]
gribble	Nick 'pete_dushenski', with hostmask 'pete_dushenski!~pete_dush@unaffiliated/pete-dushenski/x-8158685', is identified as user 'pete_dushenski', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None	[02:08]
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pete_dushenski	today's btc pizza crumbs are tomorrow's empire!	[02:10]
ben_vulpes	everyone loves a live fire test	[02:10]
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asciilifeform	google usenet search dead?!	[02:11]
asciilifeform	old posts load, but no way afaik to find them now.	[02:11]
asciilifeform	i suppose this was inevitable. the moldbug generation wants to run for u.s. office...	[02:12]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform you weren't supposed to read that!	[02:12]
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pete_dushenski	seekrit expert is best expert	[02:12]
pete_dushenski	lol i meant the cult expert bit. a well	[02:13]
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pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: for some reason saying no is harder in -assets. << cult!	[02:17]
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mircea_popescu	the maniacal fuhrer position is, afaik, open at the moment << was shockley's transistor a cult ?	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, one of the most cultish cults were the ancient order of pythagoreans	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	even had a convention to blame it all on satoshi.	[02:18]
asciilifeform	mentioned for this reason.	[02:18]
asciilifeform	sqrt(2) !	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	shit you said that already. nm.	[02:18]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> (spoiler: pretty much everyone who is known to matter, is in leibniz, gauss, etc. 'wot.') << in this sense, the hungarian number = crude wot.	[02:20]
asciilifeform	aha.	[02:20]
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mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski "you can never say only say true things" eh ?	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	jurov apparently he wants to tattoo it on his body too.	[02:22]
jurov	yea i heard it	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	something something magic packets something something internet funbutts.	[02:22]
asciilifeform	re: maths wot << it is important to understand why this happens.	[02:22]
ben_vulpes	spoilsports and haters, all of you	[02:23]
asciilifeform	even the successful crackpots (at least, the ones publicly known about) were never more than a few steps away from a 'trunk line' wot mentor.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	question for the group :	[02:23]
asciilifeform	not that this is any kind of gurantee. s. ramanujan is a tragic figure for a reason.	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	if everyone gets that tattooed, say on their butt, is the b-a more like a) a cult with weird body mod overtones ; b) a gaggle of ditzy teenaged girls (and therefore, a buncha fags) ; c) none of the above ?	[02:24]
*	asciilifeform sizes up for 'spoilsports and haters, all of you' tatoo	[02:25]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu well, that's embarassing...	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	not that many penises around long enough for that. maybe if in chinese script ?	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	end up with "dogsons of broken soup bowl" or something.	[02:25]
asciilifeform	microdot.	[02:25]
pete_dushenski	qr code	[02:26]
pete_dushenski	or base58 hash	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	pubic qr codes, with porn in them	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	that's happening.	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	if sim city has taught me anything: cut taxes to 0 << srsly, you too ?!	[02:27]
asciilifeform	at the risk of bringing everyone back to childhood msdos 'hello world': what's the smallest bitwise recognizable porn?	[02:27]
asciilifeform	any encoding.	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	( . ) ( . )	[02:27]
BingoBoingo	if everyone gets that tattooed, say on their butt, is the b-a more like a) a cult with weird body mod overtones ; b) a gaggle of ditzy teenaged girls (and therefore, a buncha fags) ; c) none of the above ? < b	[02:27]
BingoBoingo	P	[02:27]
asciilifeform	8=>	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	that's not long enough to be porn	[02:27]
BingoBoingo	69	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	also it's spelled 8==D	[02:27]
asciilifeform	nope, that's a sapper's spade.	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	my point exactly.	[02:28]
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BingoBoingo	Gotta dig out all of those panty mines	[02:28]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo owns a sapper spade?	[02:28]
asciilifeform	there's an american firm, iirc, that makes passable copies of the classic ru one	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	summary of pete_dushenski last piece : "cult member casually examines the possibility of being in a cult, comes back negative."	[02:29]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/20/software-doesnt-fail-socialism-does/#comment-4498 << saf is on a roll atm. loving these comments	[02:29]
assbot	Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[02:29]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu ayup.	[02:29]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Have two poor quality "trenching tools" have a strong preference for actual shovels though.	[02:29]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: avoid the ones with folding handles.	[02:30]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu that means it's still working, neh?	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	lol fishy smell	[02:30]
BingoBoingo	Oh, how I've learned that, worthless for unburying potatoes	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	tuna doesn't smell like fish!	[02:30]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: actual shovel, like actual computer, is not field-portable.	[02:30]
PeterL	mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: look at Detroit: high taxes, city is crumbling - Detroit Suburbs: lower taxes, flourishing	[02:30]
pete_dushenski	tuna smells like moose?	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	PeterL you don't understand how the world works!	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski tuna doesn't smell. everything else does.	[02:31]
PeterL	enlighten me?	[02:31]
asciilifeform	amines.	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	PeterL it's an expression, referencing the case when putin handed obimbo's butt to him for the nth time and the english propaganda yelled "putin doesn't understand how the world works!"	[02:31]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: actual shovel, like actual computer, is not field-portable. << Depends on the size of field, and on whether or not portage enhancers are available	[02:32]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu well if i came back positive in my assessment, i'd send myself down the post-partum path. wasn't really in the mood for that.	[02:32]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: knapsack.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski better question for your next one : is being a libtard a cult ? how about dating, is that a cult ?	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	plenty of cults abound!	[02:33]
asciilifeform	'is it still a cult if the comet is parked in orbit and the magical juice will take you there?'	[02:33]
asciilifeform	;;google treason never prospers for the reason	[02:33]
gribble	Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper ...: ; Treason - Wikiquote: ; John Harington (inventor) - Wikiquote:	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	PeterL use example, dude tries to open a door by bashing his head against it. bystander "that's not how you open doors" other bystander to first bystander "you don't understand how the world works!"	[02:34]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu not sure about dating but libtardism, scientism, nationalism... examples are endless	[02:34]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: knapsack. << When restricted to a knapsack I dunno that digging anything bigger than a hole to bury turds should be a bigger priority than evading the force restricting you to a knapsack	[02:34]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: man with sapper spade can entrench himself in less than an hour.	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	and dig his own grave in ~2.	[02:35]
jurov	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number << mathematicians' wot	[02:35]
assbot	Erdős number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[02:35]
asciilifeform	dig his grave << they usually give you the spade.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	jurov yeah, "the hungarian number"	[02:35]
BingoBoingo	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number << mathematicians' wot << My two math professors in Undergrad were a 3, and a Nope	[02:36]
assbot	Erdős number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[02:36]
asciilifeform	what's a 'nope' ? never published at all?	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/ quoth pete_dushenski the acolyte :	[02:37]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Never published anything co-authored, because he was in a weird niche	[02:37]
assbot	Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	Then, as always happens when one is freed from the banality of the familiar, I found myself with some spare time during a vacation in Mazatlán. Then, there, just like that, the pieces began falling into place. I actually sat down to read the #b-a logs and there I saw conversations unfolding before my very eyes that gave context to Trilema, that gave context to Bitcoin, and that were were so tearfully, blessedly, beaut	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	ifully over my head that I couldn’t read anything else for weeks. As someone always hunting for an intellectually challenge, I’d never seen anything even remotely like #b-a. At once technical, philosophical, political, and outrageous, it was like a gift wrapped for someone else, and yet just for me.	[02:37]
*	asciilifeform has seen 'anything even remotely like #b-a.' but they're all dead.	[02:38]
BingoBoingo	!b 1	[02:38]
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mircea_popescu	i has seen idem, idem.	[02:38]
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pete_dushenski	graciously!	[02:39]
asciilifeform	when do we get on with one of us proving p==np and the others throwing him off a boat?	[02:39]
*	BingoBoingo had in addition to math prof with Erdos of nope, an econ professor with an office in the loft of the campus's old barn	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform stop trying to break things and write me an email.	[02:39]
*	asciilifeform hopes he isn't the only one to get the ref	[02:39]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform> when do we get on with one of us proving p==np and the others throwing him off a boat? << I have a feeling this is like weaponized bitcoind, if you have it best to keep it concealed	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	"The new Foundation, the new deeds system, a real Bitcoin news site, and more" << only the stuff of the past month gets a mention because the previous stuff is so ingrained by now it's like a skin.	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	typically cultish behaviour.	[02:41]
pete_dushenski	salience!	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	shit fuck piss motherfucker and tits! this bastard called me insane! YOU DARE SAY INSANITY OF OUR PRODUCTIVE INSTITUTION ?!?!?!	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	METEORS!	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	what was that oglaf with "god is on their side" btw ?	[02:42]
BingoBoingo	oglaf needs better indexing	[02:43]
ben_vulpes	<******> as long as there are tools, there will be people using them poorly << i give up	[02:43]
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mircea_popescu	http://oglaf.com/assorted-fruits/	[02:43]
assbot	Assorted Fruits of Wrath	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo totally.	[02:43]
ben_vulpes	people cannot be saved form themselves.	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes who said that ?	[02:44]
ben_vulpes	he's not in a logged channel, i'll refrain from sharing his handle.	[02:44]
ben_vulpes	nobody who's ever been in here though.	[02:44]
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mircea_popescu	!up girevik	[02:45]
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mircea_popescu	ah kk.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	ima steal it then, to me it sounds like something i'd say.	[02:46]
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ben_vulpes	i bring this elk in tribute	[02:46]
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mircea_popescu	"He’s one of the most masterful wielders of words" << you got a ways to go foxy! check out pete's offerings!	[02:47]
pete_dushenski	!b 2	[02:47]
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mircea_popescu	so i was with this chick earlier, her parents had the weird idea of calling her Modesty	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	and she was all "oh mp what a great cock you have!"	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	jus' sayin' for the record.	[02:49]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You've got a reply http://qntra.net/2014/11/commissioner-mark-wetjen-cftc-would-have-authority-to-bring-enforcement-actions-against/#comment-1353	[02:49]
assbot	Commissioner Mark Wetjen: "CFTC Would Have Authority To Bring Enforcement Actions Against.. \| Qntra.net	[02:49]
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mircea_popescu	shit comment index at 1.3k already ?	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	if this thing ends up surpassing trilema ima be well pissy.	[02:50]
BingoBoingo	Well spam comments... Ham comments at 416	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi what that dude's saying.	[02:50]
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BingoBoingo	I think maybe it's a spambot that saw a word and forgot to link to Ugg boots or Nike's	[02:51]
BingoBoingo	Or there's a wild markov chain	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski im gonna have this read weekly in the harem, outloud. just ftr.	[02:52]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu	[02:53]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu don't twist my words now	[02:53]
pete_dushenski	the point of this wasn't to pump your fucking tires	[02:53]
pete_dushenski	god knows you need that like penguins need more snow	[02:54]
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mircea_popescu	;;google chubby checker	[02:54]
gribble	Chubby Checker - The Official Site: ; Chubby Checker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Chubby Checker - Biography - Singer - Biography.com:	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	!up AdrianoOliveira	[02:54]
-assbot-	You voiced AdrianoOliveira for 30 minutes.	[02:54]
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BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Maybe you need to consider whose ego you stroke, before you go a stroking an ego...	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	the stroking of the ego brings monsters.	[02:54]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu anyways, i look forward to seeing it acted, off-script, next time i'm in town	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	it's a harem not a bordello yo!	[02:55]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: if this thing ends up surpassing trilema ima be well pissy. << why? ~_~ you technically willed it's existence.	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller i can still be pissy!	[02:55]
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pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu we obviously have different ideas of how a harim should work ;)	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	lol do tell	[02:56]
*	BingoBoingo wonders if pete_dushenski did his turkish homework yet	[02:56]
jurov	pete, our resident pimp	[02:56]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu what's to tell? acting, staging, and memorizing are not optional.	[02:57]
pete_dushenski	basic skillz	[02:57]
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pete_dushenski	every bit as useful as a sense of humour and a second language	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	actually bellydancing's a basic skill.	[02:57]
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mircea_popescu	and rope escape.	[02:58]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo i won't say my homework's done just yet	[02:58]
pete_dushenski	and swallowing. cyanide or otherwise	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	(you think tying a chick down is easy ? try it sometime! it;s fucking impossible if you're determined not to hurt her)	[02:58]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu big hands help here	[02:59]
pete_dushenski	you can use one of yours to hold down two of hers	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	i don't mean that part.	[02:59]
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mircea_popescu	if you're talking slavegirl, you can just order her to move around as needed. but still it's not trivial.	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	few hours' practice with this will make pretty much any western film involving tying anyone unwatchable.	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	that "put some rope on them, they're imobilized now" convention doesn't really work irl.	[03:01]
pete_dushenski	tie indian to traintracks, etc.	[03:02]
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mircea_popescu	western i mean as opposed to japanese.	[03:03]
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mircea_popescu	!up csshih	[03:08]
-assbot-	You voiced csshih for 30 minutes.	[03:08]
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csshih	sup	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	not much.	[03:09]
BingoBoingo	csshih: What's your online retailer again?	[03:09]
csshih	illumn.com	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski "an efficient means to an ends"	[03:10]
BingoBoingo	hx	[03:10]
*	BingoBoingo bookmarks site, because x-mas is coming in 4 months or some shit	[03:11]
jurov	lol one and half	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	two weeks!	[03:12]
csshih	haha	[03:12]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu scrap "efficient" ?	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski fix the an plural.	[03:13]
pete_dushenski	now "an efficient mean to an end"	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	uh	[03:14]
pete_dushenski	means!	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	still dun sound right. means is like police, plural only.	[03:14]
pete_dushenski	one end... many means	[03:14]
jurov	no it's actually effervescent mean	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	it'd be pretty rad if people were like "and then this single polic jumped me"	[03:15]
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pete_dushenski	historical footnote, "police" was the first word i could actually spell other than my own name	[03:15]
bounce	such law abidement	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	i am surprised you could spell your own name	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	i still can't.	[03:15]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu i can spell your name, just can't pronounce it!	[03:16]
pete_dushenski	nfi how long it took me to spell my surname	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	:p	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	i imagine indian kids have it the worst. i've seen some pretty gnarly shit.	[03:17]
pete_dushenski	though my grandpa got a kick out of my counting to 10 in romanian this weekend. correct pronounciation and all :D	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	o hey wd.	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	so then ce in mircea, ce in zece, same ce.	[03:17]
asciilifeform	achtung mircea_popescu. broadcast in.	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	nicht gefingerpoken!	[03:18]
asciilifeform	mittengrabben.	[03:18]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu lol i learned it auditorally so spelling wasn't a problem	[03:18]
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bounce	relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten!	[03:21]
BingoBoingo	Uber discriminates in the worst way http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/11/04/uber_price_surging_on_halloween_does_it_take_unfair_advantage_of_drunk_people.html	[03:22]
assbot	Uber price surging on Halloween: Does it take unfair advantage of drunk people?	[03:22]
jurov	bounce, die blinkenlichten	[03:22]
jurov	it's plural	[03:22]
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jurov	or maybe something else, as it's akuzativ	[03:23]
*	bounce will now out throw jurov and kick him anderswhere!	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:24]
jurov	arschloch!	[03:24]
asciilifeform	schweinhund.	[03:24]
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asciilifeform	hande hoch!	[03:25]
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mircea_popescu	poloch!	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	die kanonenkugel macht ein weit grosseres noch!	[03:27]
asciilifeform	eh everybody knows that one.	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:27]
asciilifeform	frederiiiicus reeex...	[03:27]
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jurov	*einige	[03:28]
jurov	*ans	[03:28]
asciilifeform	lukschen kugel.	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	unser artillerie hat ein vortrefflich kaliber!	[03:29]
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bounce	wir sind vom idiotenklub/ und laden herzlich ein/	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	;;google idiotenclublied	[03:35]
gribble	No matches found.	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	no fucking wai.	[03:36]
bounce	google is just too SMRT	[03:36]
jurov	;;google idiotenklublied	[03:36]
gribble	No matches found.	[03:36]
jurov	;;google idiotenklub	[03:36]
gribble	Smith & Smart - Idiotenclub - YouTube: ; IDIOTENCLUB - YouTube: ; omas idiotenclub - YouTube:	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	hm	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	http://griechenmaedchen.jimdo.com/liedgut/das-idiotenclublied/	[03:38]
assbot	Das Idiotenclublied - na wenn das so ist, dann prost!	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	well it does exist upon digging	[03:38]
asciilifeform	obligatory: tigerfibel.	[03:39]
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pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/#comment-4505 << lol thestringpuller calls out the cardano!	[03:41]
assbot	Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[03:41]
asciilifeform	give the man his money back.	[03:42]
asciilifeform	oh wait	[03:42]
ben_vulpes	http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/	[03:42]
assbot	BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (41%) on Yes, 1.53 B (59%) on No \| closing in 1 month 3 weeks \| weight: 23`611 (100`000 to 1)	[03:42]
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BingoBoingo	Who seriously knew last year's ship date was a distraction while a whole fucking factory was being built in the swamp?	[03:43]
ben_vulpes	who knew indeed	[03:43]
asciilifeform	more of a phactory.	[03:43]
ben_vulpes	phuctory!	[03:43]
pete_dushenski	potty mouth	[03:44]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo this is a good point	[03:44]
BingoBoingo	But, still. Did asciilifeform actually reinvent the Luer lock, or was S.NSA working on darker magic already? These are the mysteries to be unveiled after the war is won.	[03:46]
asciilifeform	luer lock off the shelf!	[03:46]
punkbot	[trust-update] added: johntraveller	[03:46]
asciilifeform	ferglubssake, i write the broadcasts, does anybody read'em?	[03:46]
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BingoBoingo	Of course they get read. It's just... luer lock being a thing with a name I could have swore was the rare s.nsa detail that in the statement could have been shelf pointed to sooner if more transparent.	[03:48]
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BingoBoingo	Still, starfish virginity is a concern	[03:48]
asciilifeform	еггог!	[03:48]
mike_c	http://tomtunguz.com/cooley-valuation-data/	[03:49]
*	BingoBoingo might have switched to write only mode. spent the morning driving distances. Brain is still recovering.	[03:49]
mike_c	bezzle money is cheap	[03:49]
pete_dushenski	thai time. later!	[03:52]
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jurov	reddit police noticed the bitcoin foundation	[03:54]
jurov	if i did not set up alarm, wouldn't have noticed	[03:54]
asciilifeform	but what of the reddit dogcatcher? he noticed?	[03:54]
ben_vulpes	jurov: did anything happen?	[03:55]
ben_vulpes	how did cloudflare respond?	[03:56]
jurov	i dont have cloudflare but aws. nothing really happened, it just paints nice graphs	[03:56]
BingoBoingo	but what of the reddit dogcatcher? he noticed? << You forget the most dangerous police variety in most US states, the fish and game cop.	[03:57]
BingoBoingo	They almost always get to presume probably cause in search	[03:57]
ben_vulpes	oh.	[04:03]
asciilifeform	http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/405686 << re: ancient mircea_popescu thread	[04:03]
assbot	[3.13.y.z,extended,stable] Patch "sparc64: Fix FPU register corruption with AES crypto offload." has been added to staging queue - Patchwork	[04:03]
ben_vulpes	sorry i mean cloudfront i think	[04:03]
ben_vulpes	almost too tired to think	[04:03]
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jurov	yes cloudfront... but they seem to unable to sustain even their feeble attempts	[04:06]
jurov	going to sleep..goodnight!	[04:07]
ben_vulpes	tee hee. amuse.	[04:16]
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BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/alex-from-target-was-a-fake-marketing-ploy-1654748438 << Case study in "social" "media"	[04:26]
assbot	Alex From Target Was Just a Marketing Ploy :(	[04:26]
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mircea_popescu	oh wait << omfg stan sarcasm ?	[04:33]
decimation	BingoBoingo: I hear from folks who would know in Ohio that the most competent police there are the fish & game cops	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	if i did not set up alarm, wouldn't have noticed <<< i imagine this sounds better in german :D	[04:34]
decimation	that's kinda idiomatic	[04:35]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Well, here in Illinois they get all kinds of powers to do warrantless searches	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	"Teen Twitter (the most powerful force in the universe)" << really ?	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	what universe is that, the soda fountain ?	[04:36]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: No, the which star/starlet can we push to break the cocaine imbibed by 23 record universe	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	anyway, gawker, nov 4th. "But it's hard to tell if anyone is even real anymore." mp, sep 13th "I want the average redditor to understand that when he interacts with a screen name, he is not interracting with a person."	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	such coincidences.	[04:38]
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mircea_popescu	!up Vexual	[04:40]
-assbot-	You voiced Vexual for 30 minutes.	[04:40]
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Vexual	hi	[04:40]
ben_vulpes	evening	[04:40]
Vexual	Ben I must thank you for getting me back on grapes	[04:41]
ben_vulpes	they're lovely	[04:41]
BingoBoingo	such coincidences. << Well, more than even killing Coindesk isn't a point of Qntra ending gawker?	[04:44]
decimation	something like: Wenn ich nicht den Alarm aufgestellt habe, würde ich es nicht bemerkt.	[04:45]
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thestringpuller	How did gawker become "a thing"?	[04:46]
thestringpuller	I understand Wired. But gawker not so much.	[04:46]
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BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Basically in the 1990's Nick Denton amassed a warchest of bezzel bucks. Then he hired bored housewife to stalk celebrities for initial traffic. After that sustaining gawker was a matter of keeping the bills paid.	[04:47]
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BingoBoingo	The contemporary idea of the incredibly PC media mafia after the bush election exists as a creature of Nick Denton's creation	[04:49]
BingoBoingo	it is important to note the present incarnation of that crowd was not sparked by HUffington, Digg, or Reddit, but in Nick Denton's constant reinvestment in Gawker media.	[04:51]
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decimation	asciilifeform: re: verizon dns << didn't they announce that they would helpfully insert friendly cookies in your http stream?	[04:57]
decimation	BingoBoingo: it would be interesting to have a directory (with pictures) of those who call the shots in the media today	[04:58]
thestringpuller	;;later tell mircea_popescu did you mean to put an "https" link for the Qntra link on the prospectus on the MPEx listing?	[04:58]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:58]
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BingoBoingo	decimation: Maybe once I set up a homestead in more civilized lands	[05:00]
Vexual	where are you going?	[05:01]
BingoBoingo	No idea yet.	[05:01]
BingoBoingo	Prolly Titan. Maybe Mars.	[05:01]
BingoBoingo	If Buterin's waterfall takes too long to dry prolly some land that habla Castellano	[05:03]
asciilifeform	decimation: unrelated. that was an ip over wireless thing	[05:04]
asciilifeform	decimation: this - straight redirect to spmoogle	[05:04]
thestringpuller	Over 60 mn Ether sold!!!! Amazing!	[05:05]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller actually, no.	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	thanks for pointing out!	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	The contemporary idea of the incredibly PC media mafia after the bush election exists as a creature of Nick Denton's creation << hm. sort of like anti-drudge ?	[05:07]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Worse. Drudge didn't spend the entire 1990's getting merit washed.	[05:08]
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mircea_popescu	!up sine	[05:09]
-assbot-	You voiced sine for 30 minutes.	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	!up sinetek	[05:09]
-assbot-	You voiced sinetek for 30 minutes.	[05:09]
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BingoBoingo	lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lb0ch/a_year_ago_today/	[05:17]
assbot	A year ago today : Bitcoin	[05:17]
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decimation	BingoBoingo: so he's kinda like the walter lippmann of this era?	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	decimation: I think of Denton more as the mirror image of the Koch Brothers, but that's a very imperfect correspondence.	[05:22]
BingoBoingo	Denton writes rarely, but when he does criticizes Gawker authors for their economic liberalism.	[05:23]
decimation	has anyone here upgraded to openbsd 5.6?	[05:30]
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BingoBoingo	decimation: Not yet, will order disks this month, prolly	[05:34]
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TheNewDeal	So I'm reading this conversation about programming languages from 7 days ago (28-10-2014). There is a lot of trash talking about OOPs, like C++. I don't see anyone mention C. Is C just not worth mentioning?	[05:43]
asciilifeform	unfortunately is worth mentioning.	[05:44]
TheNewDeal	why so unfortunate?	[05:44]
asciilifeform	just as usg is worth mentioning.	[05:44]
asciilifeform	actually we had a fun occasion for mentioning c recently.	[05:45]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: http://qntra.net/2014/11/7th-underhanded-c-contest-going-on-now/	[05:45]
assbot	7th Underhanded C Contest Going on Now \| Qntra.net	[05:45]
asciilifeform	!s underhanded c contest	[05:45]
asciilifeform	aha	[05:45]
assbot	10 results for 'underhanded c contest' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=underhanded+c+contest	[05:45]
asciilifeform	don't look for the 'incompetent c contest.' it's right there on your desk.	[05:45]
asciilifeform	and mine, and his.	[05:46]
BingoBoingo	Don't worry everyone has until new years day to learn C and enter	[05:46]
BingoBoingo	don't look for the 'incompetent c contest.' it's right there on your desk. << It's everywhere	[05:46]
asciilifeform	dear glub, 'learn c', k&r 1st ed. is what, 80 pages?	[05:46]
TheNewDeal	what in the hell does that mean?	[05:46]
asciilifeform	it means that even 'competent' c programmers are playing.	[05:49]
TheNewDeal	is it akin to what Naggum was saying on C++ , that it's too tough for people to handle?	[05:49]
BingoBoingo	And the hardware plays back	[05:49]
asciilifeform	'too tough for people' is a poor angle. there are people who can lift a 'volkswagen.'	[05:49]
BingoBoingo	!up devthedev Hello devthedev	[05:49]
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devthedev	Hey BingoBoingo	[05:50]
thestringpuller	devthedev: get your shares?	[05:50]
*	asciilifeform thought k&r 1st ed. was on the #b-a required reading shelf, or the like.	[05:50]
devthedev	Yes sir	[05:50]
TheNewDeal	But there's not hundreds of thousands of people going around writing "Can lift a volkswagen efficiently" on their CV	[05:50]
decimation	I recommend this book too http://archive.arstechnica.com/etc/books/deep-c.html	[05:51]
asciilifeform	^^	[05:51]
asciilifeform	yes!	[05:51]
asciilifeform	it's a real riot.	[05:51]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: what's awrong with 2nd edition?	[05:51]
asciilifeform	full of bell labs c lore	[05:51]
decimation	yeah reading that book improved my C coding because it explained wtf was going on and why	[05:51]
asciilifeform	2nd edition << bloat	[05:51]
asciilifeform	satan preserve us from 2nd editions.	[05:52]
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thestringpuller	K&R is how I learned C. So no complaints.	[05:52]
asciilifeform	i like to call it 'koraktor'	[05:52]
asciilifeform	;;google koraktor	[05:52]
gribble	koraktor: ; koraktor (Sebastian Staudt) · GitHub: ; koraktor/steam-condenser · GitHub:	[05:52]
asciilifeform	fail.	[05:52]
*	asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google	[05:53]
TheNewDeal	how about assembly languages?	[05:53]
asciilifeform	what about them?	[05:53]
decimation	MMIX?	[05:54]
TheNewDeal	not mentioned in the programming discussion	[05:54]
asciilifeform	sure they were.	[05:54]
asciilifeform	e.g., http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55	[05:54]
assbot	Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.	[05:54]
TheNewDeal	I took a class that was all about MIPS, but it got over my head at the end. I was a mech engr stuck in a class of comp sci students	[05:54]
decimation	C is more-or-less a fancy set of macros around assembly	[05:54]
asciilifeform	on pdp-10.	[05:54]
asciilifeform	!up Vexual	[05:55]
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thestringpuller	devthedev: didn't you make a news site?	[05:55]
devthedev	Yes	[05:55]
thestringpuller	i forgot what it is	[05:56]
devthedev	I was planning on writing for CryptoDeck less formally, more for fun and qntra more formally but I kinda got burnt out.	[05:56]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2014/11/wind-river-security-crypto.pdf << what wind river was dinged for	[05:57]
thestringpuller	devthedev: I can tell. Last article published was Oct. 17. lol	[05:57]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: afaik they self-volunteered for gassing (for no reason i know of)	[05:57]
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decimation	supposedly they were treated 'lightly' because they volunteered	[05:58]
decimation	lol they were dinged for exporting ipsec?	[05:58]
devthedev	thestringpuller: I may just sell it, I don't have as much time as I'd like to devote to it.	[05:59]
thestringpuller	what is there to sell? do you have contributors?	[06:00]
devthedev	Negative	[06:00]
decimation	tyranny - usg fines a company for exporting that which is easily downloadable everywhere. anarchy - usg pretends it cannot investigate welfare fraud	[06:00]
devthedev	It would be just the domain essentially.	[06:00]
BingoBoingo	It would be just the domain essentially. << Problem is the first 5 letters of the domain are too popular	[06:01]
Vexual	asciilifeform did you ever get you hands on one of those first ibm branded xts?	[06:02]
decimation	my first computer was an epson XT knockoff	[06:03]
thestringpuller	decimation: me too!!!!!	[06:04]
decimation	as I recall it cost around $2k in the late 80's	[06:04]
thestringpuller	I still have it. It's all boxed up. I just need a PS/1 keyboard but those are hard to find.	[06:04]
decimation	yeah this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csBJKaZSg9A	[06:04]
assbot	Epson Apex Plus Turbo XT computer (1988) - YouTube	[06:04]
decimation	it was the best thing my family bought me, I learned dos, played kings quest & space quest, learned to write in wordperfect	[06:05]
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thestringpuller	decimation: http://thepcmuseum.net/comp_images/photo_EpsonEquity1+.JPG << that was mine	[06:07]
thestringpuller	ibm knockoff/clone	[06:07]
thestringpuller	taught me batch scripts and dos	[06:08]
thestringpuller	eventually qbasic	[06:08]
decimation	my dad had a 'real' ibm AT at work, I was impressed by the built-like-a-tank chassis	[06:08]
Vexual	they were quickly liberated from govenment offices here	[06:11]
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thestringpuller	decimation: IBM keyboard's kinda rule even to this day.	[06:12]
decimation	yeah I use a knockoff (unicomp) myself	[06:13]
thestringpuller	yea I used one of those. I wanna get the one with the mouse in the middle (like on the think-pads) for my desktop.	[06:14]
thestringpuller	co workers hated the clicking but damn it was a slick keyboard	[06:14]
decimation	if you search the logs there are pointers to folks who have hardware projects that interface ibm ps/2 keyboards made in the 80's to usb	[06:15]
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mircea_popescu	So I'm reading this conversation about programming languages from 7 days ago (28-10-2014). There is a lot of trash talking about OOPs, like C++. I don't see anyone mention C. Is C just not worth mentioning? <<< c is really not ~that~ bad.	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	!up sadekjake	[06:19]
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TheNewDeal	not as bad as the usg?	[06:19]
sadekjake	samO__ samson_ sgnb so Starsoccer steven-___	[06:19]
sadekjake	samO__ samson_ sgnb so Starsoccer steven-___	[06:19]
sadekjake	samO__ samson_ sgnb so Starsoccer steven-___	[06:19]
sadekjake	samO__ samson_ sgnb so Starsoccer steven-___	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	sadekjake hey there.	[06:19]
thestringpuller	on a scale of 0 to usg how turdified is it?	[06:19]
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mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal people generally hate c++ for reasons and c by extension.	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	arguably c doesn't do much to help the programmer not be stupid. then again, it doesn't actually force them to be dumb. sort of like asm, and nobody really hates asm.	[06:21]
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sadekjake	hello Mircea	[06:21]
sadekjake	do you see my msg?	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[06:21]
sadekjake	i have neever used an IRC before	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[06:22]
sadekjake	how do i send you a pm?	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	well, i just sent you one, should be a tab opened somewhere next to where it says #bitcoin-assets	[06:22]
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asciilifeform	'c' does not force man to be dumb. but hardly anyone actually gets to program in 'c.' normally folks program in c+libs	[06:29]
asciilifeform	libs authored by, in many cases, what can only be down's syndrome cases	[06:29]
decimation	a few years ago I tried to make an edit to wikipedia's 'climate change' entry. a similar down's syndrome case guards that page - immediately reverting any non-libtard edit	[06:30]
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asciilifeform	c >> obligatory >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html	[06:31]
assbot	Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive	[06:31]
decimation	at any rate, one cannot consider themsleves a programmer today without knowing C	[06:32]
decimation	perhaps in the future it will not be so	[06:32]
asciilifeform	'...and _does_ an operating system that forces the programmer to check to see whether the operating system did what it was asked to do every damn time you ask it to do anything actually give any relevant form of support to anyone?'	[06:32]
decimation	asciilifeform: but, that's new jersey style!	[06:33]
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thestringpuller	decimation: at any rate, one cannot consider themsleves a programmer today without knowing C << unfortunately not a lot of people learn C in what you may call "computer science education" (or is so named)	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	!up dgeats	[06:33]
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mircea_popescu	decimation you don't understand. for him, matter of life and death. that's how he eats.	[06:34]
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dgeats	!up BingoBoingo, happy to be here	[06:34]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: education << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2014#626237	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	haha cute one.	[06:34]
assbot	Logged on 15-04-2014 18:34:43; asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean	[06:34]
asciilifeform	(anyone still awake, straight to that dusty thread)	[06:35]
decimation	yeah "C" was going out of style when I graduated in the early 2000's, CS was converting to full-java	[06:35]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: this is pretty much the stance. you have to seek it out, if you want to learn it. I guess what they are producing are not programmers at that point?	[06:35]
asciilifeform	1nf0rm4t10n t3chn0log1stz!	[06:35]
asciilifeform	or something.	[06:35]
thestringpuller	scary.	[06:36]
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decimation	one wonders what the point of using open source OS's would be if you can't read C	[06:36]
thestringpuller	much easier to write c-code in linux than say DOS	[06:36]
asciilifeform	the point, when there is a point, generally has nothing to do with reading	[06:36]
asciilifeform	mostly pure zoological revulsion at microshit	[06:37]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Google's Android has a linux kernel and BSD libc	[06:37]
asciilifeform	easier to write c-code in linux than say DOS << beg to differ.	[06:37]
asciilifeform	under rusty old msdos one can, generally, actually program in c	[06:37]
decimation	heh yeah there are so many distro's and tard-libraries in linux	[06:38]
decimation	asciilifeform: here's the link for what you are getting at: http://www.colorforth.com/POL.htm " Now we get down the the nitty-gritty. This is our first clash with the establishment. The conventionsl approach, enforced to a greater or lesser extent, is that you shall use a standard subroutine. I say that you should write your own subroutines. "	[06:39]
assbot	403 Forbidden	[06:39]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: i think when I was 9 it was like 4 weeks allowance to get Borland or whatever C compiler they were selling at the time.	[06:40]
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asciilifeform	thestringpuller: guess how much i and everybody i knew paid.	[06:40]
thestringpuller	0	[06:40]
decimation	ah, the good ol' stack of floppies	[06:41]
asciilifeform	decimation: this sounds like top-grade batshit to 'civilians', who don't normally understand how simple (from algorithmic standpoint) everything they usually want out of the machine, really is	[06:41]
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decimation	one of my friends would call AOL every day for a free "introductory" floppy every day	[06:41]
asciilifeform	most of what programmers do, is really grunt labour to work around the mistakes of earlier programmers.	[06:41]
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asciilifeform	folks who realize this, eventually 'turn perelman'	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	under rusty old msdos one can, generally, actually program in c << because, again, if i want to kil a ms-dos dependency I DELETE THE FILE	[06:42]
asciilifeform	and we don't hear from them	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	motherfucking apt-get.	[06:42]
asciilifeform	aha.	[06:42]
decimation	yeah it's really really tiresome to live in someone else's fucktarded world	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	just....fucking....detele the file.	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	omg why should it be so hard.	[06:43]
decimation	because $LD_LIBRARY_PATH	[06:43]
dgeats	!up @assbot	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	fuck that shit with pikes.	[06:43]
asciilifeform	butbutbutt... it could be on a locked nfs volume! it could be on an abacus wielded by retarded child! etc	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	NO	[06:43]
decimation	asciilifeform: actually this is an interesting point. Why does every platform insist on dynamic libraries?	[06:44]
asciilifeform	cargo-cult imitation of real computer.	[06:44]
decimation	somehow Mr. Moore can write a chip-design tool in a few hundred lines of forth	[06:44]
decimation	yet it takes like 50 megabytes to instantiate Xeyes?	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	fuckthatshitomfg	[06:45]
decimation	yeah, I guess in this case the 'cargo-cult' is building a wooden global namespace	[06:45]
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asciilifeform	and it takes a supercomputer, of a kind not even yet built, to write a word processor where there are no palpable delays when entering a character. if you believe microshit.	[06:45]
decimation	but my 8088 did that running at 8 mhz in wordperfect	[06:45]
asciilifeform	aha.	[06:45]
asciilifeform	decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300	[06:46]
assbot	Loper OS » Going Nowhere Really Fast, or How Computers Only Come in Two Speeds.	[06:46]
decimation	heh yeah that was a favorite post	[06:46]
BingoBoingo	^ Macs at one point almost really were real computers	[06:46]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: long, long ago.	[06:47]
decimation	"But suppose everyone wrote their own subroutines? Isn't that a step backward; away from the millenium when our programs are machine independent, when we all write in the same language, maybe even on the same computer? Let me take a stand: I can't solve the problems of the world. With luck, I can write a good program. "	[06:47]
decimation	this is probably the most rational approach toward the modern c-machine	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	fucking hell.	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck would "we". jesus burn every text with we in it already.	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	we my food.	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	foot*	[06:48]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well, then they sold their soul to IBM	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	maybe our fucking should be all machi^H^H^H^H^H woman independent also ?	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	maybe we should all jack off with the same stroke ?!	[06:48]
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asciilifeform	as a student, i was once told by a greybeard: 'you're young, but know that you have X lines of code in you. after that - log cabin.'	[06:49]
asciilifeform	he was, of course, optimist	[06:49]
asciilifeform	often, 'after that' is something more like pistol fellatio	[06:50]
asciilifeform	i didn't grok what he said, at the time, naturally	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	i enjoy writing the little code i do write.	[06:50]
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asciilifeform	that's the trick.	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	the enjoy or the little ?	[06:51]
decimation	I want someone to draw a cartoon: young man approaches greybeard lounging under a tree: greybeard - why do you laze instead of being productive? - He says: you try to make something useful - off the young one goes through trial and tribulation - eventually, ending up under a tree.	[06:51]
asciilifeform	'little' -> 'enjoy'	[06:51]
BingoBoingo	!up devthedev	[06:51]
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mircea_popescu	*: asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google << wot based search. working towards it.	[06:51]
asciilifeform	!s kyristor	[06:52]
assbot	5 results for 'kyristor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kyristor	[06:52]
asciilifeform	^ sword in stone for unknown heroes to be born	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	all these fucktards with the "blockchain technology" have no fucking idea even what the technology actually is	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	monkeys in the jungle, "shiny wings technology".	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	yeah, im sure that's why the plane flies.	[06:53]
asciilifeform	'technology' - just a word to them.	[06:53]
BingoBoingo	*: asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google << wot based search. working towards it. << Caled it when you asked about crawling millions of urls	[06:53]
BingoBoingo	Next time I'll sign the hash of the prediction	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	lol	[06:53]
*	asciilifeform knows of no reason why wot-search needs to crawl anything	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	decimation: C is more-or-less a fancy set of macros around assembly <<< this is actually pretty much it.	[06:54]
*	asciilifeform pictures wot search as a graph traversal of personal 'bookmark' collections of wot-people	[06:54]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah the "crawlers" are human beings	[06:54]
asciilifeform	assembly << of pdp-10. see naggum's piece earlier.	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform just like cars are a steel banded joining of the walking of people ?	[06:54]
asciilifeform	lol	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	at some point you gotta put an engine in there somewhere.	[06:54]
asciilifeform	extant cpu archs are quite unlike pdp-10. internally, of course. 90+% of the Si real estate is then used up in papering over this to build a convincing simulacrum of 'c' machine.	[06:55]
asciilifeform	so if an idiot tells you that 'c' is 'naturally close to platonic hardware' - you have my official blessing (tm) to kick his face in.	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	do ellaborate.	[06:55]
asciilifeform	e.g., translation lookaside buffer cache on intel.	[06:56]
asciilifeform	the page table.	[06:56]
asciilifeform	automatic instruction re-ordering.	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	decimation: as I recall it cost around $2k in the late 80's << ahh, the days when a shitty mouse was 100 bux.	[06:56]
asciilifeform	(intel tried shipping a gizmo without it, now it is known affectionately as 'the itanic')	[06:56]
asciilifeform	i could go on, but this could fill a book.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	da fuck is platonic hardware supposed to be	[06:57]
asciilifeform	an imaginary animal that lives in the skulls of folks who talk about 'close to the hardware? that means c of course'	[06:57]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> da fuck is platonic hardware supposed to be << Aristotle's natal cleft	[06:57]
decimation	in your room-sized FPGA, there is probably a spot for a few 'risc' finite automata	[06:57]
asciilifeform	decimation: there could be room found for an entire period reproduction of intel 486, for when the mood to play 'doom' strikes you.	[06:58]
asciilifeform	point is, it is possible to build electronics that are actually programmable.	[06:58]
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BingoBoingo	turd should be legible to the .js deniers http://www.bnd.com/2014/11/04/3492961/enyart-bost-bradshaw-vie-for-congressional.html?sp=/99/100/&ihp=1	[06:59]
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asciilifeform	in some of my articles, i mention a concept called 'design space.' it, approximately, means, the set of engineering decisions that are thinkable at a given time.	[06:59]
asciilifeform	in many ways it behaves like a non-renewable mineral resource.	[07:00]
asciilifeform	except, unlike petrogoodies, it is possible to get design space back just by 'wanting enough.'	[07:00]
asciilifeform	catch is, you have to... burn the world.	[07:01]
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BingoBoingo	catch is, you have to... burn the world. << How many people here are seriously opposed to this condition	[07:03]
asciilifeform	for instance, in the '70s, when there was an understanding that a computer is purchased and comes with own os, and your own men will write literally everything else (often including os) that will ever run on it, until it goes to the scrapyard -	[07:03]
asciilifeform	there was a plethora of interestingly-different machine architectures.	[07:03]
asciilifeform	e.g., cdc 6600	[07:04]
asciilifeform	the lisp machines (xerox and mit branches of the evolutionary trees, different in many interesting ways)	[07:04]
asciilifeform	the early crays	[07:04]
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asciilifeform	then folks began to 'depend on things'	[07:05]
asciilifeform	and increasingly, 'hysterical raisins' became primary justification for all engineering decisions re: computer.	[07:05]
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BingoBoingo	Shhhhh, you are about to spoil the part where the hittites surprise pete_d with iron weapns	[07:06]
asciilifeform	this is in many ways a process analogous to ordinary senescence.	[07:07]
BingoBoingo	Ordinary only in pathophysiology, not in affect	[07:08]
asciilifeform	people age, and empires - and the 'computer we know' isn't really a separate animal from the u.s. empire.	[07:08]
asciilifeform	there were computers once, among the people of the east.	[07:08]
asciilifeform	!s trinary	[07:08]
assbot	7 results for 'trinary' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=trinary	[07:08]
asciilifeform	then they decided they like w4r3z rather too much	[07:08]
asciilifeform	to bother with own computers.	[07:08]
asciilifeform	why go through the grind of developing world from scratch, they thought, when you can l33ch l33t w4r3z like a pr0 in 21 days	[07:10]
BingoBoingo	ANd thus began the legend of niggers.txt	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	lol	[07:10]
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BingoBoingo	The problem is encountering the actual mythical good is always a dissapointment.	[07:13]
asciilifeform	the kid who gets his first fuck - also disappointed	[07:14]
asciilifeform	ars longa, when you catch, kill, and dress the unicorn, can go after loch ness monster and many other prey.	[07:15]
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mircea_popescu	the kid who gets his first fuck - also disappointed << rly ?!	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	Shhhhh, you are about to spoil the part where the hittites surprise pete_d with iron weapns << the hittites never had iron. you're thinking the franks.	[07:18]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Maybe the Assyrians? Some sort of Turk turnt out the Jew bronze with their Iron.	[07:18]
decimation	re: design space << so part of the problem with "C" is that it tends to occupy this mental design space rapidly	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/no-such-labs-snsa-october-2014-statement/	[07:20]
assbot	No Such lAbs (S.NSA), October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo the franks.	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	"the iron! my god, the iron!" spoken in italia by the degenerate successors of the latins.	[07:21]
decimation	what about 'damascus steel'?	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	much later.	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	franks are a 800ad affair.	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	allah had been barely invented yet	[07:22]
BingoBoingo	what about 'damascus steel'? << 4 digit number of years innovation	[07:22]
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mircea_popescu	at the joseph smith stage yet.	[07:22]
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decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel << " From the 3rd century to the 17th century, India was shipping steel ingots to the Middle East.[14]"	[07:23]
assbot	Damascus steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	dunno what sort of steel they were shipping in 3ad.	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	300*	[07:23]
decimation	yeah I think it was more "steel" than steel	[07:23]
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mircea_popescu	swords are like computers - they only work for some grades of si	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	sand not acceptble.	[07:24]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, tardpedia's fascination with the east and white-hating notwithstanding, steel is a western invention.	[07:24]
asciilifeform	invention - yes	[07:25]
asciilifeform	primitives succeeded in making steels of a kind, from naturally carboniferous wootz traded along, e.g., silk road	[07:25]
asciilifeform	but metallurgy - is white man's magic.	[07:25]
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asciilifeform	protest of japanophiles notwithstanding	[07:26]
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decimation	yeah I saw some documentary about japanese sword-making - that steel is closer to steel, but nowhere near modern quality	[07:26]
BingoBoingo	primitives succeeded in making steels of a kind, from naturally carboniferous wootz traded along, e.g., silk road << Wootz yes, low hanging fruit. When I read Damascus though I think laminate forging process	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform in fairnes, the gypsies did show real talent in working with zamak,	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	so much so they got dragged all over to europe by various turkic people.	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	but zamak is still zamak.	[07:27]
asciilifeform	aha	[07:27]
asciilifeform	gotta fix those pots & pans.	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo that's post-byzantine conquest. strictly.	[07:27]
decimation	the turks conquered Byzantium and then headed east?	[07:27]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Of course, but also the product normally refered to now as "Damascus" steel	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	decimation the golden crescent is this pulsing heart of human civilisaiton.	[07:28]
asciilifeform	see also: булат.	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	the most recent pulse went in all directions, just about to india.	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	it run into a hard wall at constantinople	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	but eventually overcame it.	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	(with hungarian cannons)	[07:29]
BingoBoingo	"Historical" Dracula	[07:29]
asciilifeform	!s drakula	[07:30]
assbot	21 results for 'drakula' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=drakula	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	nah, unrelated.	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	was some sort of columbus of metallurgy. little is known.	[07:30]
asciilifeform	not related at all.	[07:30]
asciilifeform	'hedgehog marches in fog, with rifle on his shoulder.' 'not funny, but at least it's about the war!'	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	come to think about it : the original siege cannon was carried by two dozen oxen, fired twice a day, had to be cooled with hlf a ton of oil and exploded every two weeks killing everyone around	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	yet asciilifeform bitches about c.	[07:32]
asciilifeform	and gypsies worked in tin, lead, no possible zamac	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	tin, tin.	[07:33]
asciilifeform	(Al being a creature of modernity.)	[07:33]
Adlai	aegis agamemnon23 AlexWkz AndChat\|679296 AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot Azelphur	[07:33]
Adlai	aegis agamemnon23 AlexWkz AndChat\|679296 AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot Azelphur	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform in romanian it's how you say "base metal" generally.	[07:33]
asciilifeform	cannon aficionados should also think about chinese & korean leather cannon.	[07:33]
decimation	http://video.pbs.org/video/1150578495/ << said documentary with a demonstration of Japanese steel-making	[07:33]
asciilifeform	it was more or less guaranteed to rupture at one point, killing crew	[07:33]
assbot	Video: Secrets of the Samurai Sword \| Watch NOVA Online \| PBS Video	[07:33]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform tatara comes from... guess ?	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	and they got it from... guess ?	[07:34]
asciilifeform	ahaha	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[07:34]
BingoBoingo	(Al being a creature of modernity.) << Elemental Al was accessible to ancients... at lightining strike sites	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	not saying they didn't get very good at it, they did.	[07:35]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: and pure Fe, and Ir, etc. from meteorites.	[07:35]
BingoBoingo	Indeed	[07:35]
BingoBoingo	but the later easier to refine and heavier.	[07:36]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: not much of these in actual archaeological practice, iirc	[07:36]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform actually the mediteranean people volcanoes prolly more than meteorites.	[07:36]
BingoBoingo	A light shiny metal, Napoleon commisioned Aluminum flatware.	[07:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ditto amerinds	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	which is why vulcan lives underground not in the sky	[07:36]
asciilifeform	(e.g., obsidian)	[07:36]
*	asciilifeform still waiting for obsidian terroristknives	[07:37]
BingoBoingo	obsidian conparatively common though. Aluminum might as well have been mythiril though	[07:37]
asciilifeform	the ancients would've laughed at Al.	[07:37]
BingoBoingo	* asciilifeform still waiting for obsidian terroristknives << DO you have a budget in mind?	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[07:38]
asciilifeform	pretty damn useless metal, unless you can churn it out by the megatonne	[07:38]
BingoBoingo	the ancients would've laughed at Al. BUt in the 18th and 19th centuries only nobels had aluminium helmets	[07:38]
asciilifeform	didn't really shine until aeronautics made folks itch for just it	[07:38]
asciilifeform	helmets << spoons	[07:39]
BingoBoingo	Still, how many obsiadian terroist knives, at what dimension, and in what quantity?	[07:39]
asciilifeform	for folks outside of usa, good story re: Al: in washington d.c., there is an enormous obelisk, 'washington monument.' it is tipped with a small pyramid of precious aluminum.	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo actually, they didn't come up with duralumin	[07:39]
asciilifeform	(extracted chemically at bowel-loosening expense)	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	which is what limited its early use	[07:40]
asciilifeform	aha	[07:40]
asciilifeform	more or less no one uses pure Al for anything today.	[07:40]
decimation	I believe that aluminum is part of the british crown jewels too	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	"it is not rare to see a palpable (and all the more so for its unpredictability) delay between pressing a key and the drawing of a symbol on the screen." << i have never seen this.	[07:41]
decimation	re: obsidian knives << if you want to go this route, just find some local flint and start chipping	[07:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ms word much?	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	part of the reason perhaps being that if i had, i'd start bludgeoning the machine into the ground.	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	i think i had wordperfect on msdos	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	or was it wordstar maybe ?	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	word-something. like coin-* today	[07:42]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.finescience.com/Special-Pages/Products.aspx?ProductId=296&CategoryId=56&lang=en-US << Obsidian terrorist knife	[07:42]
assbot	Obsidian Scalpels - Micro Knives - Scalpels & Blades - Product Overview - Fine Science Tools	[07:42]
decimation	I distinctly remember seeing word on windows and thinking it was a huge step back from wordperfect on dos	[07:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that particular piece was written while waiting for a locked-up msword turd on a usg slavemachine, also running mandatory usg antivirus, which wedged the disk	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	ah well	[07:42]
BingoBoingo	decimation> re: obsidian knives << if you want to go this route, just find some local flint and start chipping << Flint =/= obsidian	[07:43]
BingoBoingo	Also premier material for shaping flint, antler	[07:43]
BingoBoingo	more or less no one uses pure Al for anything today. << /me may use for heat...	[07:44]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: glass scalpel << of late i have made much use of carbide cutting tools on lathe, which come with similar warnings.	[07:44]
asciilifeform	(brittle as all fuck, cannot tolerate lateral force much at all)	[07:44]
BingoBoingo	Exactly	[07:44]
decimation	yeah I would be pretty scared to operate on someone with a glass blade	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	"Recently, I devoted several sleepless nights to this problem. Why is it that our computers are getting faster and faster yet we are using them more and more to render things generated on some distant server? And it’s still slow!" <<< average bovine is comforted by the second delay.	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	it has time to think^H blink, damnit.	[07:45]
BingoBoingo	Compare to a modern blade made with powder sintered S30V steel http://www.cutleryshoppe.com/gerberapplegate-fairbairncovertautomatic-cpm-530v-378blackcomboedgeblade.aspx	[07:45]
assbot	Gerber 30-000137 Applegate-Fairbairn Covert AUTOMATIC - CPM-S30V - 3.78" Black Combo Edge Blade	[07:45]
BingoBoingo	yeah I would be pretty scared to operate on someone with a glass blade << In an MRI tube what else can you use? Interventional radiology is lucrative	[07:46]
asciilifeform	time to think^H blink << 'The lights must never go out, The music must always play..., Lest we should see where we are, Lost in a haunted wood, Children afraid of the night, Who have never been happy or good.'	[07:46]
decimation	well, aluminium isn't magnetic right?	[07:46]
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BingoBoingo	decimation, depends on magnet size	[07:47]
mircea_popescu	http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000020.html quoted just to make stan bleed from the eyes.	[07:47]
assbot	Strategy Letter IV: Bloatware and the 80/20 Myth - Joel on Software	[07:47]
asciilifeform	bled already, done	[07:47]
asciilifeform	tiresome wankers linked it in my comments maybe 15 times	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	decimation that would have been the fucking moment of truth for the cataphract : when someone turned on a giant magnet	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	sort-of equivalent to the moment when archimedes turned on the mirrors.	[07:48]
decimation	lol	[07:48]
asciilifeform	this actually plays out, as written, in an episode of disney's 'duck tales' i saw translated as a boy	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	In fact there are lots of great reasons for bloatware. For one, if programmers don't have to worry about how large their code is, they can ship it sooner. And that means you get more features, and features make your life better (when you use them) and don't usually hurt (when you don't).	[07:49]
asciilifeform	and, unless i'm hallucinating it, in 'connecticut yankee in king arthur's court'	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha i feel so dirrrrty	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	check me out im a quotation slut.	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform listen : if coders didn't have to worry about whether THEIR PROGRAM EVEN HALTS	[07:50]
mircea_popescu	they could ship it right now!	[07:50]
asciilifeform	aha.	[07:50]
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decimation	I blame fiat.	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	as joel well points out, we got a mental problem. no comprende como sheeping works.	[07:51]
decimation	it allows everyone to pass the buck up to the assignat printing press	[07:51]
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mircea_popescu	"and the loss to the software company that has to give up two months of sales is even worse." << dat logic. so if i have sex for the first time today, rather than next week, i gain a full week of first time sexings.	[07:52]
decimation	writing nearly perfect code is possible, but anyone who tries loses in the market by those who 'get there first' writing crap	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	that's mostly his argument.	[07:53]
decimation	right, the point to realize is that the market is broken	[07:53]
BingoBoingo	And yet... What firewall beats pf atm?	[07:53]
decimation	I remember the original netscape - it was a pile of shit	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	every browser was a pile of shit.	[07:54]
asciilifeform	pioneered the modern shitpile, yes	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	it's a wonder the internet even stil exists.	[07:54]
asciilifeform	masters of turdatronics, went on to Great Things	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	in fact, the history of the internet and the browser narrowly mimicks the history of bitcoin	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	powerful idea, badly implemented by idiots.	[07:55]
asciilifeform	microscope.	[07:55]
decimation	yeah that's a scary parallel	[07:55]
asciilifeform	'Bitcoin interests me as an obvious example of a technological jewel tossed around aimlessly by the brutal hands of cave men. I can’t help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out.' -- your truly	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	decimation just think, what they were. remember... lycos ?	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	altavista ?	[07:56]
decimation	lol yeah	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	search engine yo! internet wallets!	[07:56]
decimation	the only reason google 'took off' was the fact that their competitors sucked	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	someone actually thought that "yahoo" is a sane string to associate to your busines.	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	it's a fucking derrogatory, it's almost like calling bitcoin's media company "cunt, raw"	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	uh wait.	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	somethingelse.	[07:57]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[07:57]
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asciilifeform	'yahoo' << 'houyhnhnm' just doesn't have the same ring.	[07:58]
decimation	as I recall the netscape was pretty much just a ripoff of mosaic	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	notrly, mosaic almost worked	[07:58]
asciilifeform	since we're on the subject of www,	[07:59]
asciilifeform	http://www.cl-http.org:8001/cl-http/history.html	[07:59]
assbot	CL-HTTP History	[07:59]
asciilifeform	^ not turd. why? didn't have to run on toy computer in paupers' bedrooms.	[07:59]
decimation	asciilifeform: it is sad that the pauper's computers 'won' in the long run	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000019.html << ahh the good old days!	[08:01]
assbot	How Many Lies Can You Find In One Direct Mail Piece? - Joel on Software	[08:01]
BingoBoingo	^ not turd. why? didn't have to run on toy computer in paupers' bedrooms. << What, some people actually operate this way...	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	It says that it's from Sky Dayton (founder of Earthlink) although it is actually from Earthlink's direct marketing department. I can just see the thought going through the copy writer's head. "People won't open it unless it's from someone they know, and everyone knows Sky Dayton!"	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	anyone still know virgin atlantic branson dayton w/e his name was ?	[08:01]
BingoBoingo	Richard Branson?	[08:01]
decimation	asciilifeform: it's certain that there was some government meeting where the cl-http server was regarded as 'obsolete' because it wasn't compatible with frontpage or whatever	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	right.	[08:02]
asciilifeform	decimation: mallery ported it to reasonably-standard common lisps. so it did not die with symbolics corp. however, he stuck a rather asinine license on it.	[08:03]
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decimation	mircea_popescu: he has a business model similar to bitcoin miners: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/nov/05/virgin-galactic-seatholders-ask-for-refund-on-tickets	[08:03]
asciilifeform	this was not the lethal pill, but didn't help.	[08:03]
assbot	Some Virgin Galactic seatholders ask for refund on tickets after crash \| Science \| The Guardian	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	decimation well at least he knows how to make a small fortune.	[08:03]
asciilifeform	incidentally, my little birds whisper to me that he now owns symbolics tech. co.	[08:03]
asciilifeform	and is an nsa stooge.	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	see, here's the thing : we had these idiots in romania, too. the sort that could be millionaires as long as the public treasury poured a billion or two in theior pants	[08:04]
asciilifeform	(mallery. not branson)	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	with some regularity.	[08:04]
asciilifeform	but similar.	[08:04]
decimation	wonder what the nsa would do with ancient lisp machines	[08:04]
asciilifeform	it's no secret what they do.	[08:04]
asciilifeform	run them.	[08:04]
asciilifeform	(or what, light cigs with them?)	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	deny them to the chicoms ?	[08:04]
decimation	deny them to everybody?	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	why did the barbarian conquer the roman temple ?	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	so the other barbarian couldn't jack off to the marbles.	[08:05]
decimation	lol	[08:05]
asciilifeform	chicoms could be stamping'em out by the megatonne this friday if they wished it.	[08:05]
asciilifeform	i would personally help.	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	you just don't understand how thw world works.	[08:05]
asciilifeform	!b 4	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	a pitbull will still try to take your toy	[08:05]
decimation	chicoms for some reason just want to reproduce shitty bezzletronics	[08:05]
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mircea_popescu	even though you can just make a fucking toy factory	[08:06]
mircea_popescu	with its skull.	[08:06]
asciilifeform	aha.	[08:06]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, now that im apparently using it, wtf does chicom even mean ?	[08:06]
asciilifeform	china/communist	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	ah k	[08:07]
asciilifeform	vs. the other smaller one	[08:07]
asciilifeform	cn/tw	[08:07]
decimation	incidentally, there's a 2 hour podcast interview with Bil Herd of Commodore here (featuring that annoying australian): http://www.theamphour.com/222-an-interview-with-bil-herd-zany-z80-zygology/	[08:07]
assbot	An Interview With Bil Herd - Zany Z80 Zygology \| The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast	[08:07]
asciilifeform	what mention of commodore corp. without old jack tramiel!	[08:08]
asciilifeform	auschwitz to cabbie to repair money to tech ceo with a brain, one of the last.	[08:08]
asciilifeform	(yes, auschwitz)	[08:08]
decimation	heh yeah, in the podcast Bil blames the death of commodore on Mr. Tramiel's exit from the company	[08:08]
*	asciilifeform wonders if auschwitz or mit had more notable 'alumni'	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	jew joke nao.	[08:09]
decimation	according to Mr. Herd - Jack Tramiel ran Commodore with an iron fist. When he left, only derps were around to pretend to fill his shoes	[08:10]
mircea_popescu	" I remember someone saying that if it hadn't been for automatic switches in the telephone network, the entire population of planet earth would have had to be telephone operators to handle the load of telephone usage in 1993 or thereabout. I get the eerie feeling that because modern computer systems are so incredibly braindamaged in their design and in the tools used to program them, the entire population of planet e	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	arth will be programming these idiotic boxes pretty soon if managers don't wise up to the fact that the equivalent of automatic switches already exist and have done so for at least 20 years. yet if Y2K doesn't light up most manager's view of the world of programming, there isn't hope for mankind at all."	[08:11]
decimation	I didn't realize - apparently Commodore made their own silicon chips, and even made their own LCD screens	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	lol. most kids today ARE coding	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	for the web	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	in .net vb	[08:11]
decimation	and .js!	[08:11]
asciilifeform	last i knew, commodore-64 still held the record for the greatest number of a particular design of computer ever built.	[08:12]
asciilifeform	(particular design - as in, same parts, same circuit)	[08:13]
asciilifeform	and this was on account of genuine popularity. no one buried these by the thousand in a desert.	[08:13]
asciilifeform	'cheap and angry.'	[08:14]
asciilifeform	a few years later, the company tried selling what was, at the time, an 'actually nice' computer - 'amiga.'	[08:14]
decimation	according to Mr. Herd it was recently surpassed by the 'ipad' if you consider that to be a computer	[08:14]
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asciilifeform	but - not compatible.	[08:14]
JorgePasada	Whatup nerds!?!?	[08:14]
asciilifeform	'hysterical raisins.'	[08:14]
asciilifeform	decimation: which ipad? 1,2,3,4 ?	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	JorgePasada nothing much.	[08:15]
decimation	yeah I donno	[08:15]
decimation	here's some text from Mr. Herd (he was the hardware engineer for the c128) http://hackaday.com/2013/12/09/guest-post-the-real-story-of-hacking-together-the-commodore-c128/	[08:15]
assbot	Hacking the Commodore C128 with Bil Herd	[08:16]
asciilifeform	c128 was arguably the beginning of the end	[08:16]
asciilifeform	live by the trabambourghini, die by the trabambourghini.	[08:16]
asciilifeform	retool for lambo after trambo - not easy.	[08:16]
decimation	yeah, he admitted it was 9 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag	[08:17]
asciilifeform	like starting life again.	[08:17]
decimation	in the podcast he said they should have produced the commodore LCD - which would have competed with the TRS-80	[08:17]
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asciilifeform	when i came to usa, i saw a c128 in, of all places, a toy store.	[08:17]
asciilifeform	still don't know how it came to be there.	[08:17]
asciilifeform	that was the first and last time i ever saw one.	[08:18]
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decimation	but apparently the fucktarded 'bitcoin ceo' who took over after Mr. Tramiel was speaking with the CEO of tandy who told him that here was "no money in portable computers"	[08:18]
asciilifeform	c64 - by the tonne.	[08:18]
BingoBoingo	in .net vb << In library school I was forced into this bullshit for a semester, final project I couldn't take it. Went FU here's a mono runtime in a jail and Visual C++ 6.0 that compiles to it because fuku	[08:18]
decimation	later that year the TRS-80 was a massive sales leader for tandy	[08:18]
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asciilifeform	c128 article << shows wire wraps as if it were exotic	[08:19]
decimation	heh yeah	[08:19]
asciilifeform	you lot never did a wire wrap?	[08:19]
BingoBoingo	later that year the TRS-80 was a massive sales leader for tandy << If you can point me to someone selling 90+ working samples... may be interested	[08:19]
asciilifeform	surely, just once, as a boy?	[08:19]
JorgePasada	Bah, getting kicked out of my friends place. Be back in 30. Been a while since I've been in here.	[08:19]
asciilifeform	what on earth does BingoBoingo want witj 90+ trash-eighties	[08:19]
BingoBoingo	surely, just once, as a boy? << I did the disposable camera to taser conversion wrapping to get taser voltages.	[08:20]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: didja keep the ignition coil in the output?	[08:20]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: didja keep the ignition coil in the output? << Shhhh....	[08:20]
decimation	I haven't wire-wrapped myself, no - only soldered. but I have considered getting into it	[08:20]
asciilifeform	yknow, the one that strikes the 5kv or so arc so the ~300v cap can discharge through ionized xenon	[08:21]
decimation	it seems like an ideal method for prototyping logic	[08:21]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i've a story about those things.	[08:21]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: as a student, bought disposable camera (those existed) with flash, late in the night	[08:22]
asciilifeform	girl was wearing a shitmetal ring, it broke in half	[08:22]
asciilifeform	tried to plasma-weld it back using the flash.	[08:22]
asciilifeform	well, just the cap.	[08:23]
asciilifeform	http://webspace.webring.com/people/gl/lemagicien/elecpage/maxflash/max01.jpg	[08:23]
asciilifeform	^ one of these buggers.	[08:23]
BingoBoingo	Ah, so the only reason people bought those	[08:24]
asciilifeform	i've no idea why anyone else bought them.	[08:24]
asciilifeform	but i cannot recommend.	[08:24]
BingoBoingo	Malice and pranks	[08:24]
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BingoBoingo	Only reasons I know	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	lesson for stan : next time girl breaks her ring, don't try to weld it back on her.	[08:25]
asciilifeform	[insert mircea_popescu's tale about soldering with matches here]	[08:25]
asciilifeform	eh how'll it stay on ifya don't weld it back in the right place, lol	[08:25]
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asciilifeform	incidentally, i've always wanted a pack of slow-burning steel-tipped 'matches' you could solder with in the field.	[08:26]
asciilifeform	perhaps using the same magic found in self-heating tinned food	[08:26]
BingoBoingo	incidentally, i've always wanted a pack of slow-burning steel-tipped 'matches' you could solder with in the field. << SO story with those.	[08:27]
asciilifeform	pull the pin, it simmers along at 200C for half hour.	[08:27]
decimation	I've used butane soldering iron, works well	[08:28]
asciilifeform	also have.	[08:28]
asciilifeform	but - finnicky bugger, hisses, puffs, goes out in the rain	[08:28]
asciilifeform	no good for zombocalypsis.	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	lol	[08:28]
BingoBoingo	Younger dumber highschool me got pretty girl I'd been seeing pretty ring, and being youg poor white trash me I completely ignored subtexts in acquiring 10 gold ring with colored quartz rock. Girl got ideas, ring was rendered part of schoolbus floor	[08:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00073218 = 2.4528 BTC [+]	[08:29]
*	asciilifeform does not wear rings today.	[08:29]
asciilifeform	pet doesn't either	[08:29]
asciilifeform	they get in the way of - work.	[08:29]
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decimation	they also expose you to the risk of your finger flesh being ripped off	[08:29]
asciilifeform	ripped, roasted, zapped, amalgamated, dissolved, turned on lathe, milled off	[08:30]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i don't get it, you got cvasi-married ?	[08:30]
asciilifeform	clippered, sheared, ionized.	[08:30]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Her poorer, more white trash ass thought so.	[08:30]
mircea_popescu	why so harsh.	[08:30]
decimation	I found a titanium ring is good for me most of the time, completely anti-reactive to skin and also cheap	[08:30]
decimation	but solves none of the above problems	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	some professional lines require rings.	[08:31]
BingoBoingo	Everything is fun and games until poorer and more white trash tries to become a precondition for future life	[08:31]
asciilifeform	professional... rings << hollywood ?	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	holy shit... aluminum brass knuckles ?!	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	i dont even.	[08:32]
BingoBoingo	holy shit... aluminum brass knuckles ?! << WHere???	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	are these for afficionados, light enough to attach scope to ?	[08:32]
*	BingoBoingo waits for inevitable DU brass knuckles	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbrUnQPbpEU persay.	[08:33]
BingoBoingo	Wait, who seriously can't pirate Poor Man's James Bond vol. 1-4?	[08:33]
BingoBoingo	Why aluminium?	[08:33]
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mircea_popescu	for scope.	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	only explanation possible.	[08:34]
asciilifeform	[insert 'tactical stick' here]	[08:34]
BingoBoingo	Why not wet sopping rag knuckle dusters, they'll have more mass	[08:34]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 69(Y):31(N) by coin, 54(Y):46(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.5111 BTC. Current weight: 42,761.	[08:35]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubotan	[08:36]
assbot	Kubotan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[08:36]
BingoBoingo	So if anyone cares, gas prices in Middle APerica less stable than BTC at the moment.	[08:36]
asciilifeform	kubotan << see also демократизатор ('democratizer')	[08:37]
BingoBoingo	Kind of looking forward to more action on that front as the Saudis try to bankrupt US Bezzel "oil" men	[08:38]
BingoBoingo	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubotan << Mag lite	[08:38]
assbot	Kubotan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[08:38]
decimation	lol " In April 2010 actor and entertainer Darren Day was found guilty of possessing an offensive weapon, namely a Kubotan-style keyring, by a court in Edinburgh.[4]"	[08:38]
decimation	so, usg & friends might arrest you if you carry a stick	[08:39]
asciilifeform	http://lurkmore.to/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80	[08:39]
assbot	Демократизатор — Lurkmore	[08:39]
decimation	asciilifeform: is that what russian cops use to beat hippies?	[08:39]
BingoBoingo	Only outside of a legitimate domicile. Within domicile even a fucking claymore sword is fair game.	[08:39]
asciilifeform	decimation: the very same.	[08:39]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Russian batons... have a very dildonic look	[08:40]
asciilifeform	small translation: 'rubber cock. lever of perestroika. anal irritator. in the 2000s - stabilizator. also 'attitude adjuster'.'	[08:40]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[08:40]
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BingoBoingo	So... basically a kinder soldering iron alternative...	[08:41]
asciilifeform	linked article mentions a popular brand among ru police, 'argument.'	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how many russian policemen used it to touch themselves.	[08:42]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[08:42]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3BN8DAH.txt )	[08:42]
asciilifeform	and handcuffs sold under brands 'tenderness' (one prisoner) and 'tenderness-2' (hold five)	[08:42]
asciilifeform	this is ordinary, brw	[08:43]
mircea_popescu	anyway, all the excitement i can take. later all!	[08:43]
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asciilifeform	tear gas was labeled under brand 'hackberry' (черёмуха)	[08:44]
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kakobrekla	punkman> kakobrekla: it seems i found 'the no guy' > http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/ << seems to start around the time I first mentioned it < and they say pessimism isnt worth it.	[16:35]
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kakobrekla	ok this shit is funny: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269216.msg9415640#msg9415640	[16:40]
assbot	[BitFunder] IceDrill.ASIC IPO (235 Thash Mining Operation powered by HashFast)	[16:40]
kakobrekla	Blazedout419 (he is here in the chan) > I am sure will and deadterra have done quite well on this scam...	[16:40]
kakobrekla	while he carries another scam in the signature.	[16:40]
kakobrekla	congratulations, mister chump of 2014	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	lol wait wut ?	[16:41]
kakobrekla	(the gaw miner)	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	this plot is pretty thickened!	[16:42]
kakobrekla	such beauty last page: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=720844.3980;topicseen	[16:42]
punkman	"Stop holding my coins hostage, pay out my divs so I may reinvest them. I am loosing potential profit because of your practice. " << lol	[16:42]
assbot	GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)	[16:42]
kakobrekla	if someone has a working retard talk account, ping geegaw to come by ?	[16:43]
kakobrekla	>That's what sucked me in, I saw a lot of posts about 1-2 month ROI's so I bought my Zens retail from GAW @ 17.95 next day worked out my ROI 217 days, the very next day 1 year ROI (approx), next day retail Zens @ 14.95 and ROI infinity +1. Early adopters were given high, magic, above market payouts to lure suckers like me in, and it worked.	[16:43]
punkman	I thought magic cloud miners would autoscale	[16:45]
bounce	http://www.wired.com/2014/11/atlas-314-3-d-printed-guns-bullets/ <- how to make a plastic gun that shoots: use casing for substitute barrel	[16:46]
assbot	The Bullet That Could Solve 3-D Printed Guns' Reliability Problem \| WIRED	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	" Early adopters were given high, magic, above market payouts to lure suckers like me in, and it worked." << duh.	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	how to make a plastic gun that shoots: use casing for substitute barrel <<< pressed shit works just fine, when smeared on actually functioning machines!	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << now look what you did! cazalla & bingo	[16:47]
assbot	Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	This site reaches over 3,428 monthly people, of which 2,111 (62%) yesterday.	[16:48]
bounce	"mobile web" + "online" = "web". dat distinction.	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	marketeers know words.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	good thing mr police guy made me fucking move it.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	else this'd be a ddos.	[16:50]
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kakobrekla	eh? slashdot your target audience? top comment there: I bought one of these. It took a VERY long time to arrive, and only worked for a few weeks. I contacted them for warranty repair and they simply never responded after that. I am out around $3000.	[16:50]
bounce	so does quantcast count wordpress as "people"?	[16:50]
kakobrekla	you are basically talking to retard talk with green css	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	bounce what do you mean by "wordpress" ?	[16:50]
bounce	those pingbacks	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yes. it is a news venue. it talks to retards. this, we knew going in.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	bounce if it counted that qntra'd be well above gawker this month.	[16:51]
bounce	sounds legit	[16:51]
punkman	you have to run the quantcast javascript to count	[16:51]
bounce	reimplement in php and submit as a patch to wordpress	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi how they do traffic measuring these days. i have no doubt whatsoever that it can be gamed.	[16:53]
punkman	oh they have a fallback tracking pixel too	[16:59]
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mircea_popescu	!up dgeats	[17:00]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/fderp-october-2014-statement/	[17:09]
assbot	F.DERP October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	if anyoen wants to give a final look to the month's statements, please do. i'll be signing them and deeding them later today.	[17:10]
punkman	oh it's a verb now	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	it hastabe	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller fixed.	[17:12]
asciilifeform	bullet << http://world.guns.ru/ammunition/russian-special-cartridges-r.html (ru incarnation) or http://topwar.ru/21240-besshumnyy-patron-hm76-ssha.html (usa)	[17:14]
assbot	Современное стрелковое оружие мира - Специальные Российские патроны	[17:14]
assbot	Бесшумный патрон ХМ76 (США) » Военное обозрение	[17:14]
asciilifeform	long, long invented.	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	us creativity is an exercise in rebranding these days. http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ etc	[17:16]
assbot	Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	http://world.guns.ru/img/logo/logo_12.png << logo of word.guns.ru is... a pen.	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	because totally.	[17:16]
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mircea_popescu	!up menahem	[17:17]
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asciilifeform	both of the above historic examples also featured gas seal (piston pushed out bullet) and therefore silent.	[17:17]
menahem	yo pimps. :)	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	well yeah, if you're going to make a gun-cartridge might as well make it sealed.	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	and who might you be menahem ?	[17:18]
menahem	n00b following the rules set forth by good 'ol pete dushenski	[17:18]
asciilifeform	sealed shell was, iirc, a bitch re: disposal	[17:18]
menahem	reading logs, etc.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	menahem is it any fun ?	[17:19]
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asciilifeform	(had to be treated with care, crushed in specially designed compactor)	[17:19]
menahem	ha, yea. most of it is great, some stuff takes a few re-reads.	[17:19]
menahem	i've met a few bitcoin-assets ppl around the globe already, not knowing until later that they were all in the wot.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what's wrong with just burying them in a pile ?	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	;;ident menahem	[17:20]
gribble	Nick 'menahem', with hostmask 'menahem!~menahem@CPE705681c7a4c1-CMbc1401ee7d10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com', is not identified.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	so time to get in then.	[17:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: brass was precious, must recycle	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	oh.	[17:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: modern ru shells are, mostly, steel though.	[17:21]
menahem	lemme verify my id again. brb, heading to an office space. gracias for the welcome.	[17:21]
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nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/8CwLzmVU	[17:21]
assbot	Hi folks, I'm a homeowner on XXXXX Street, and I'm writing to complain -- onc - Pastebin.com	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform incidentally, wouldn't a continuous furnace be the best approach ?	[17:21]
nubbins`	^ that's the email i wrote to the city	[17:22]
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mircea_popescu	keep adding 1 cartridge/second, keep taking molten stuff out.	[17:22]
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nubbins`	a couple councillors email back "we will notify the appropriate people" etc	[17:22]
nubbins`	then the MAYOR emails me back, CCing the city manager:	[17:22]
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nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/jc8MTCFB	[17:22]
assbot	Dave Please arrange to have this removed immediately and billed directly to t - Pastebin.com	[17:22]
nubbins`	my sides	[17:22]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` is this slumlord the new official slur for this circumstance ?	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	!up rdekley	[17:23]
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nubbins`	i can picture the old fart hove off on his couch w/ his ipad, smoking a cigar, "y'know what? enough IS enough"	[17:23]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu gotta call a diamond a diamond	[17:23]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` you know, the mayor response would be a better paste. we don't care what YOU said :D	[17:23]
nubbins`	too true, but bg info!	[17:24]
nubbins`	anyway, i pasted both, parse em as you will ;p	[17:24]
nubbins`	so i got that reply late last night. today, the city comes, picks up the trash out front, gets a ladder, and REATTACHES THE DECK TO THE HOUSE	[17:25]
nubbins`	my sides	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	"the XXXXX Street area is a shitty, needle-littered dump" << srsly ?	[17:25]
nubbins`	i gotta take a picture	[17:25]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu not as bad as i make it seem	[17:25]
nubbins`	but you do find needles from time to time	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	maybe it's from all the diabethics.	[17:26]
nubbins`	"fuck the sharps container, this one's going in the road"	[17:26]
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mircea_popescu	https://xhellgirlx.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/tears.jpeg <<< saving this for later use.	[17:27]
nubbins`	feed that woman enough beans and she'd make a great espresso machine	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	ahahahhaha	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	true story : i once spent in excess of an hour inserting coffee beans one by one into girl butt. just to see what'd happen.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	sadly, no espresso.	[17:28]
nubbins`	bet it was a crazy buzz tho	[17:28]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/qtJv9ns	[17:28]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[17:28]
nubbins`	^ that little bit of white trim is where the door used to be	[17:29]
nubbins`	anyway, good on the city, i guess; reattaching the deck is way cheaper than dismantling it and hauling it to the dump	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	north american houses look so shitty i swear.	[17:29]
nubbins`	plastic is the new wood	[17:30]
kakobrekla	Please arrange to have this removed immediately and billed directly to the	[17:30]
kakobrekla	property owner , no matter what the cost to the owner! Enough is enough! < ask for pgp signed statement, email isnt safe.	[17:30]
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nubbins`	HEH	[17:31]
nubbins`	doc o'keefe don't give a fuck about no pgp	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	i'm giving even odds the guy doesn't end up paying for it.	[17:31]
kakobrekla	no, nubbins` will pay.	[17:31]
kakobrekla	(After some years)	[17:31]
nubbins`	i already pay plenty by living next to the guy	[17:32]
nubbins`	anyway, would be interesting to see how many prior invoices have gone unpaid	[17:32]
nubbins`	this is maybe the 5th time in 3 years i've made this happen ;/	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	generally, nubbins wars against people owning half the street go pretty predictable.	[17:33]
kakobrekla	just remember ascii; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2014#909708	[17:33]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2014 21:08:35; asciilifeform: the age-old mistake of provocateurs - thinking their master's promises are to be kept	[17:33]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu no doubt, but it's my duty	[17:34]
kakobrekla	next week will be "o wait, it costs 6k? no we are not paying for THAT. 6k is not "whatever it costs", its 3k more than that."	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	hehe	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	but no, coupla hours with a crew and a truck is what, 350 ?	[17:35]
nubbins`	union crew, buddy	[17:36]
nubbins`	try again	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	minimum wage is still 10 bux or so in canada neh ?	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	fuck that shit.	[17:36]
nubbins`	$10.25 in 2dl afaicr	[17:36]
nubbins`	varies by province	[17:36]
nubbins`	city workers prolly get 25-35/hr during business hours	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	right. 6 grunts for 2 hours + driver counted as 2 = 160 bux. 80 for the truck, provided you don't actually have a deal and get it for 6k or so a month.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	100 left over for profit.	[17:37]
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mircea_popescu	http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7751/10908969.jpg	[17:41]
nubbins`	heh	[17:42]
nubbins`	would love to see o'dea's face when he gets the bill	[17:43]
nubbins`	"deck reattachment: $200"	[17:43]
nubbins`	"...what?"	[17:43]
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mircea_popescu	you missed the chance to put an i in there.	[17:45]
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nubbins`	barring ambiguousness, pronouns should always be omitted	[17:49]
nubbins`	one thing the castellanos did right	[17:49]
jurov	nubbins`: just put a deck, too? you said you want it	[17:49]
nubbins`	i've already got a deck!	[17:50]
nubbins`	needs a bit of work tho ;/	[17:50]
jurov	so the solution is very easy	[17:50]
jurov	bribe the town crew to fix the yours one	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` "dick"	[17:51]
nubbins`	heh	[17:51]
nubbins`	dicksurgery.ca	[17:51]
jurov	and watch it billed to him	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	lol "the yours one" j is adoooohrable!	[17:51]
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jurov	oh	[17:51]
nubbins`	"yeah, o'dea said he was gonna buy a bunch of pizza and leave it out front, but he didn't...	[17:51]
nubbins`	enough is enough! order a jumbo meat lovers and send the donair sauce to the property owner!	[17:53]
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jurov	!ud donair sauce	[17:58]
jurov	;;ud donair sauce	[17:58]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Donair \| A Donair consists of a fried pita with shredded spiced beef cooked on a spit than covered in Sweet sauce ( Condensed milk , Sugar and vinegar) with...	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	putting sugar on meat wtf is wrong with people.	[18:00]
nubbins`	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZmMZVHkMoQ	[18:00]
assbot	The devil is real: little girl tells Christian preacher to shut up - YouTube	[18:00]
nubbins`	FWIW the "sweet sauce" has garlic as the main spice	[18:01]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu you don't dry-rub your briskets?!	[18:01]
punkman	I've never had one with sweet sauce	[18:01]
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nubbins`	halifax-style donair sauce is the best thing	[18:01]
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nubbins`	https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~gpetitpas/Links/Donair.html	[18:02]
assbot	All things Donair: Halifax Donair Sauce, Donair Meat, Donair Subs, Donair Pizza Recipes (And Garlic Fingers?)	[18:02]
nubbins`	i like making a huge batch of donairs once or twice a year	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` dry rub, yes. thyme-and-garlic.	[18:02]
nubbins`	no sugar?!	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	no sugar.	[18:02]
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mircea_popescu	and it's fucking donner kebap what you're going for	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	not "donair"	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	comes from the danube.	[18:03]
nubbins`	i'm canadian, it's a donair.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	where is that oglaf.	[18:03]
nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab#Canada	[18:03]
assbot	Doner kebab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[18:03]
nubbins`	8)	[18:03]
nubbins`	bbl gotta go buy a donair	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	http://oglaf.com/muster/	[18:04]
assbot	Muster the troops	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	DON THE CROWN!	[18:04]
nubbins`	i still can't believe she wasn't a donair	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	k.o.d ? srsly ?	[18:04]
nubbins`	ok, peace	[18:04]
jurov	well... when i was in vancouver, my relatives there obviously knew better than to introduce us to poutine and donair	[18:04]
nubbins`	;;google king of donair trailer park boys	[18:05]
gribble	King of Donair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; King Of Donair Party - YouTube: ; Trailer Park Boys Off-Set Filming Locations - YouTube:	[18:05]
jurov	only long after i discovered these "canadian foods"	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	jurov "what stupid poor people would eat if they had no mothers."	[18:05]
nubbins`	o wow	[18:05]
nubbins`	fun fact, poutine is a common "first solid food" for babies in northern canada	[18:06]
nubbins`	chew on THAT for a bit.	[18:06]
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mircea_popescu	poutine is actually not that bad.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	kinda normandy sort of thing, but hey.	[18:06]
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mircea_popescu	"Bitcoin isn't a security, if they say it's a security, they would be the first government in the world to give Bitcoin that sort of value or endorsement." << reading between the lines, "leadership coach" that doesn't understand either bitcoin or his jurisdiction is shitting his pants.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	punkman: have these people been outside the lab? << no dude, "corrupted bit" count totally is the correct proxy for insurance claims.	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	that's why car claims are based on square cms of ruined paint.	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	it's a shame that most people go to their graves with 99%+ intact bodies.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	a sad testament to the poor quality of healthcare offered before obamacare became a thing.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	ok, jurov's root anal / total exhaustion of all parties thing is in bash now. which i think jurov mods... so preemptive SCAM!	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	somehow the quotes collected together get FUNNIER than they were in the logs. http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=304 << had me laughing out loud.	[18:17]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets bash	[18:17]
punkman	https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ligi.satoshiproof&hl=en << prior art on deed system	[18:17]
thestringpuller	;;seen cazalla	[18:17]
gribble	cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: zzz night	[18:17]
thestringpuller	damn i missed him	[18:17]
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mircea_popescu	punkman not only am i not loading google js pilefest sites, but is the dude even in the wot ?	[18:18]
jurov	what's scammy on it?	[18:18]
jurov	on the root anal	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	well nothing yet	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	but maybe you don't approve it, how do i know	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	gotta be vigilant!	[18:19]
jurov	regardless it gets approved or not, i'll blame it on kako	[18:19]
punkman	oh never mind, they generate fake addresses like the first deedbot. http://vog.github.io/bitcoinproof/	[18:20]
assbot	Bitcoinproof	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	kako is responsible for like 40% of somalia's milk production.	[18:20]
jurov	that's not milk, but donair	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	punkman why do you care anyway ? it's done.	[18:20]
punkman	gonna write article eventually	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	oic.	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	waste of your time, trying to find someone do something useful before WE did it.	[18:21]
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punkman	well someone had the idea in 2011 at least, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52715.5	[18:25]
assbot	Using bitcoin for trusted timestamping?	[18:25]
jurov	kakobrekla you removed "cunt raw" before my eyes... you did not get it?	[18:26]
jurov	just say "cunt raw ex" aloud	[18:26]
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mircea_popescu	jurov why "ex" ?	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	you think it's contravex ?!	[18:28]
jurov	wow, it has even another meaning?	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	lol!	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	this one is only there for russian speakers, because in english u never crosses the barrier to a, nor w (a sort of u) to v	[18:29]
kakobrekla	jurov i guess i dont find it bash worthy	[18:32]
kakobrekla	one thing to note jurov, when you approve, do them in order from top down	[18:33]
jurov	yea i know and did it	[18:33]
kakobrekla	sometimes i go through the pending list and just delete what i dont see worthy	[18:33]
kakobrekla	and leave the quotes that im not sure what to do with, or how to cut them	[18:34]
kakobrekla	for a later decision	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300809.msg3305064#msg3305064 <<< nice find lol.	[18:34]
assbot	FAQ on the payment protocol	[18:34]
kakobrekla	i see you just flushed everything down the toilet	[18:34]
kakobrekla	mkay	[18:35]
jurov	no i actually accepted everything that was left	[18:35]
kakobrekla	yes	[18:35]
kakobrekla	that the toilet	[18:35]
kakobrekla	:D	[18:35]
jurov	oh that's what you mean	[18:35]
kakobrekla	the delete is the trash bin!	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	lol the bathroom life : either trash bin or toilet.	[18:37]
jurov	and qntra is the sink	[18:38]
kakobrekla	hehe	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	punkman fwiw, http://trilema.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/ was july 2013.	[18:38]
assbot	And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially hijacked pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	then by october he was already making preparatory moves.	[18:38]
kakobrekla	and qntra is the sink < bidet you mean prolly	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	pizdet	[18:40]
kakobrekla	is that how you call it in ro?	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	it ? which it ?	[18:40]
kakobrekla	pizdit	[18:41]
jurov	pizdet === bidet?	[18:41]
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mircea_popescu	haha nah	[18:41]
jurov	or it's special bidet only for pizdas? and the other one is pulet?	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	well the bidet IS for pizde. and i guess for dudes cursed with a cock so short	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't even reach the water in the normal wc.	[18:42]
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kakobrekla	isnt bidet for ass?	[18:42]
kakobrekla	idk.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	if you swing that way...	[18:43]
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kakobrekla	;;google bidet ass clean	[18:43]
gribble	Clean Butt: ; Clean Butt!!! - YouTube: ; Clean Your Butt with a Biffy - YouTube:	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	i should have called it trizdets	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	alas... too late.	[18:44]
kakobrekla	cleanbutt.com sez yes	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	bezzle butts, what do they know.	[18:44]
punkman	https://github.com/FactomProject/FactomDocs proof of existence, sidechains, bitcoin2.0 etc	[18:46]
assbot	FactomProject/FactomDocs · GitHub	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	oh, bitcoin 2.0 already ?	[18:46]
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mircea_popescu	punkman honestly, i do not believe the empty wankfest of these schmucks "having ideas" and resolving theoretical problems in theoretical ways should in any shape or form be encouraged.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	this dovetails into stans permabitch about the "mathematizing" and "proofs" issues in general computation theory	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	and on the other hand into the business side of "your ideas are worthless, and what your head produced can't even be called an idea in any sense" i used to rant about back in 2013ish.	[18:48]
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mircea_popescu	kids need clear signals to be able to live their lives rather than dream their lives, and encouraging this stupidity is the wrong signal.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	!up starzz_	[18:49]
-assbot-	You voiced starzz_ for 30 minutes.	[18:49]
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starzz_	Hello. I want to join the cult	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	ok, you're in.	[18:49]
starzz_	lol	[18:50]
starzz_	will work for a rate	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	work doing what ?	[18:50]
starzz_	have a stupid article to write for qntra	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	write it, submit to cazalla	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	;;ident starzz_	[18:50]
gribble	Nick 'starzz_', with hostmask 'starzz_!180f6af0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.15.106.240', is not identified.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	heh. maybe get in the wot first eh.	[18:51]
starzz_	in there. Don't know why it's not showing up here (otc it did)	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	if gribble dun see you it dun see you. -otc -assets or anywhere else. maybe you disconnected.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03: gop wins senate majority << wow srsly ?!	[18:53]
starzz_	Must be it. Thanks.	[18:53]
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mircea_popescu	punkman: more of a heartbeat, should I remove? <<< yeah.	[18:54]
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mircea_popescu	bounce: there, science tells you what language to use, the size of team to pick, and the size of commits to commit. get to it, slackers! thank science! <<< this science allowed me to win the lottery for fifty eight times in a row by always wearing the same shirt i wore when i won the first time.	[18:55]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2014/phriday/scifi_placement/Palpek_33.gif <<< i can't believe libertard central is still pushing this "need government for roads!" dead meme.	[18:57]
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mircea_popescu	seriously, you couldn't have dug up boston for a decade if there wasn't government to make it cost 10 trillion.	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	roads, yo!	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile they're bitching about fossil fuels. here's an idea, libertard lobby : your understanding of bitcoin is going to fix the problem you imagine is "global warming". why hate ?	[18:58]
ben_vulpes	https://unsee.cc/sigaroze/ << i came home to a surprise celebration of...tuesday!	[19:00]
assbot	Unsee — Free online private photo sharing	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	soo, unrelatedly : the republicans now own the house, majority in the senate, a bunch more governors...	[19:00]
ben_vulpes	more importantly	[19:00]
ben_vulpes	yesterday was tuesday!	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	obama just went on a two year vacation, at a cost of a bunch of money.	[19:01]
ben_vulpes	usgpolitics boooooring	[19:01]
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mircea_popescu	myeah. i remember the days a coupla years ago that used to be a part of the conversation.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	incredible how much a few years change in the third world.	[19:02]
ben_vulpes	if we absolutely must talk uspolitics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Y24MFOfFU	[19:03]
assbot	Squeal - YouTube	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	such bad voice acting.	[19:03]
ben_vulpes	that she shakes her head while saying "i approve this message" made me lol.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	`--- `--- `--- awkward patter bullshit with the headcharge movement to boot	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	it's gotten to the point where trying to be taught something in the us is a worse gambit than just not washing.	[19:04]
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mircea_popescu	!up qntranet	[19:10]
-assbot-	You voiced qntranet for 30 minutes.	[19:10]
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qntranet	starzz again	[19:10]
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qntranet	following the link to contact cazala	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:11]
qntranet	I know. Who knew? Just click the link and I'm qntra?	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	just so we know you came throug there.	[19:12]
qntranet	Oh. Okay.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	google : "Barack Obama, Presidential term January 20, 2009 –"	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	check it out, google is making a prediction.	[19:13]
qntranet	I've been reading you for a year. I'm learning how. I've signed onto otc & know how to get in wot	[19:16]
qntranet	I can afford to write an article. I don't have the 30 btc for Mpex (or I'd buy bitbet shares)	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	qntranet you can just use coinbr ?	[19:17]
qntranet	See. that's what us edumacation does for one lol	[19:18]
jurov	qntranet any suggestion where coinbr should be advertised?	[19:19]
jurov	so that people know about it?	[19:19]
qntranet	it's tough to break into the media.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	jurov qntra, apparently.	[19:20]
qntranet	That's what I think my article might do.	[19:20]
punkman	jurov, mpex homepage :P	[19:20]
jurov	it is mentioned in the mpex faq	[19:20]
kakobrekla	jurov i think ppl dislike the ongoing costs associated with an account on cbr and advertising wont fix that. my humble opinion.	[19:20]
jurov	long past most people's attantion span, tho	[19:20]
qntranet	Remove the scare factor a little bit	[19:20]
qntranet	I know there are other people like me who get it	[19:21]
mats_cd03	https://coinbr.com/ref?c=E1L4DoSrAc << referral code	[19:21]
assbot	About CoinBr	[19:21]
qntranet	lol cd03	[19:21]
jurov	i know.. but still .. when there is only ~10 people who actually pay these 2 bitcents	[19:21]
jurov	i don[t believe it would be so much more when it's free	[19:22]
mats_cd03	i don't mind the bitcent fees tbh	[19:22]
kakobrekla	i just pass on what i heard.	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	jurov what is it, 2 bitcents / mo ?	[19:22]
jurov	yes. since november	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	eh, that's reasonable.	[19:23]
punkman	jurov, 0.1 year paid up-front might do better	[19:23]
jurov	plus another two per withdrawal	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	wtf, since when is 5 bux not free.	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	same people then derp all about how ipad is great, costs them a little more than 5 bux, delivers a lot less.	[19:23]
jurov	er.. since last november	[19:23]
kakobrekla	if 5 bux is change then you just get mpex acc its like 10 bux at the current btc price	[19:25]
jurov	kakobrekla wtf?	[19:25]
kakobrekla	which part	[19:26]
jurov	can't pinpoint	[19:26]
jurov	just rephrase it all	[19:26]
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kakobrekla	;;calc 30 * 300	[19:26]
gribble	9000	[19:26]
kakobrekla	see, 10 bux	[19:26]
qntranet	thanks ya'll. I have a coinbr account to create.	[19:27]
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mircea_popescu	;;calc 30 / 0.02	[19:27]
gribble	1500	[19:27]
jurov	these kakobux	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	today we find kakobrekla's cock is approximately 28 miles long.	[19:27]
kakobrekla	mebbe	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	makes long distance relationships that much easier for him.	[19:28]
kakobrekla	28 miles is not that much easier	[19:28]
jurov	pity he lives it that part of world where you can't get 10 miles without encountering town or road	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	who else can fuck planes ?	[19:28]
kakobrekla	or a bear	[19:29]
jurov	planes? 28 miles is enough for orbital launch!	[19:29]
kakobrekla	anyway shutup i got work to do.	[19:29]
jurov	kako's preparing for another lauch	[19:30]
jurov	*launch	[19:30]
kakobrekla	lunch!	[19:30]
kakobrekla	omnom	[19:30]
jurov	suborbital jizz insertion	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	the ultimate face splat experience. you don;t even know whom it's gonna end up on!	[19:32]
jurov	ICJMs	[19:32]
jurov	!up CheckDavid	[19:33]
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CheckDavid	Thanks jurov	[19:33]
CheckDavid	A while ago i saw a notification here about a gold bet placed on bitbet.us, but now i can't find it.	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	!s gold bitbet	[19:34]
assbot	16 results for 'gold bitbet' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=gold+bitbet	[19:34]
punkman	http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/gold-above-1200-on-november-1st/ maybe	[19:35]
assbot	BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 1.07 B (66%) on Yes, 0.54 B (34%) on No \| closed 2 weeks 3 days ago	[19:35]
jurov	when you put gold into the searchox, it won't come up?	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	"where should the searchbox advertise itself" is jurov's q.	[19:35]
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CheckDavid	jurov: some gold bets come up, but i don't think its the one that i saw in the notification	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid maybe that one closed ?	[19:47]
CheckDavid	That's what i was thinking mircea_popescu	[19:47]
CheckDavid	Doesn't show up in closed either, but not impotant	[19:48]
[]bot	Bet created: "Obama Impeached" http://bitbet.us/bet/1062/	[19:49]
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mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/2012nationwidecountymapshadedbypercentagewon.svg <<< all the experience playing WoL tells us anything about this map ?	[19:55]
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punkman	for fellow snake charmers: http://pyrasite.readthedocs.org/en/latest/Shell.html	[19:56]
assbot	pyrasite-shell - Give it a pid, get a shell — pyrasite 2.0beta documentation	[19:56]
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mats_cd03	i wonder what glad tidings gop congress will bring	[19:57]
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mircea_popescu	basically, either they start taking obamacare apart or lose their mommentum	[19:59]
bounce	lovely error message: "Failed to connect to server. The reason may be that the encryption methods supported by the server are not enabled in the security preferences." -- but naturally, DO NOT EVER show the poor user the list of supported protocols, because, you know, having the user guess is much better than showing what you do know.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	granted that dismating it now is probably the worst possible outcome, way worse than never having implemented it in the first place.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	bounce "please upgrade"	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	it's constructed to support a certain ideology. that ideology does not include the user contributing anything.	[20:00]
kakobrekla	since when do you listen to cow moos	[20:00]
jurov	as for WoL.. did you ever do any giveaways on trolltalk? such as coinroll raffles, they made wonders	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	jurov put some numbers on those wonders ?	[20:02]
jurov	scrat put 100btc in, got several hundred out	[20:02]
jurov	if someone (mpif nudge wink) gave us some dought, i'm sure it could be repeated	[20:03]
jurov	*dough	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	so wait. 100 btc raffle resulted in >30k worth of bets from bitcointalk ?	[20:04]
jurov	yes	[20:04]
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jurov	r dunno from where	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	i tell you i don't see it.	[20:04]
jurov	Namworld you around?	[20:05]
jurov	!up Namworld	[20:05]
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jurov	he should know concrete numbers, it was tracked	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	anyway, there were all sorts of offers, matching gains, i dun recall it all.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	didn't do much.	[20:06]
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mircea_popescu	US $133,700 to turn the new album into an hour long musical anime	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	something's wrong here.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	70k frames at >1 dollar per frame ? i should make a korean drawing company.	[20:09]
mats_cd03	asciilifeform: know where i can find K&R 1st ed warez? ive only read 2nd ed, and i can't find the first through hefty googling.	[20:10]
jurov	http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com	[20:10]
assbot	The Million Dollar Homepage - Own a piece of internet history!	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	jurov what, is 2008 coming back in style ?	[20:11]
jurov	maybe that anime is done similar way	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	actually that was more like 2005 iirc.	[20:11]
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The20YearIRCloud	What album?	[20:31]
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asciilifeform	kakobrekla:jurov i think ppl dislike the ongoing costs associated with an account on cbr and advertising wont fix that << aha.	[20:43]
asciilifeform	k&r 1st ed. w4r3z that someone asked for >> http://read.pudn.com/downloads124/ebook/525708/C_Programming_Language.pdf	[20:44]
asciilifeform	^ censored from 'google' incidentally.	[20:44]
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mats_cd03	my hero	[20:46]
asciilifeform	note that classical 'k&r' variant of the language used a now-archaic function declaration style. that extant compilers have less than perfect support for.	[20:47]
asciilifeform	other than that, it's a perfectly living book.	[20:48]
*	bounce ran into an open tab with the purported cex/ghash sec letter. can't help but wonder what happened next.	[21:04]
kakobrekla	bounce they upped their advertising cannons.	[21:06]
kakobrekla	get as much chumps before they need to dox them	[21:06]
bounce	so no meaningful reply except a stream of dox to be expected then. right.	[21:07]
bounce	kinda curious since they're apparently registered in london.	[21:07]
kakobrekla	well buttstamp gives dox to usg	[21:08]
kakobrekla	so they can be a part of their averaged out ticker	[21:08]
kakobrekla	and they are in eu/uk/si	[21:08]
kakobrekla	bitstamp is legal by being retarded evil scammers	[21:10]
kakobrekla	so much for regulation	[21:10]
bounce	wonder if you could get away with telling the SEC, "we're being regulated by the bitcoin regulatory foundation so talk to them, not us."	[21:11]
kakobrekla	you mean MP? :D	[21:12]
cazalla	damn BingoBoingo, you were not kidding about that quantcast.. i had to get up early and chase the rubbish truck down the street as someone forgot to put the bins out last night :	[21:13]
asciilifeform	https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2013-03/msg01535.html << when the firing squads at last for folks such as these?	[21:16]
assbot	Re: [O] Errors after upgrading emacs to 24.3.1 and org to 7.9.4	[21:16]
asciilifeform	(for the malefactors who give cause for such discussions, not the participants therein)	[21:16]
asciilifeform	and an advance fuckyou to anyone who might bitch, 'you whine about modeline vs. mode-line but you even want to switch to trinary computer and no existing soft.'	[21:17]
asciilifeform	to which i answer: toilet - is good to have. kitchen sink - also good. toilet and kitchen sink hybrid - no thanks. the 'middle ground' is an idiot delusion, generally.	[21:19]
chetty	asciilifeform, hahahaha best explanation of that I have heard, I am gonna steal it	[21:23]
asciilifeform	chetty: al schwartz had the ultimate mindfucker of an explanation:	[21:23]
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asciilifeform	chetty: n-dimensional sphere, as n increases, has increasingly greater fraction of its volume closer and closer to the surface.	[21:24]
asciilifeform	chetty: (if you don't believe this - work it out!)	[21:24]
asciilifeform	chetty: hence, 'extremist' solutions, as dimensions are added to a problem (seen as a 'spherical horse' of course) are largely where the answers lie.	[21:25]
asciilifeform	chetty: and not in 'moderation.'	[21:25]
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asciilifeform	chetty: unfortunately schwartz's original essay appears to be lost in the burned library of googlexandria - usenet archive.	[21:26]
chetty	all very true, but not as much fun as the first one asciilifeform	[21:26]
asciilifeform	chetty: more fun. because in many cases you can blow idiots straight out of the water, with rigorous mathematical rocket, with it.	[21:27]
chetty	hmmm and when you put that together with the overton window ...now I got to think some	[21:28]
chetty	unfortunately not that many people can follow the math of it	[21:29]
asciilifeform	this was not real maths! strictly first grade.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	if you understand pythagorean theorem, you can do this one.	[21:34]
chetty	I seem to find a lot of people that cant even make change	[21:35]
asciilifeform	chetty: i'd love to know who is behind the delusion that 'mathematical ability' is the ability to mentally crunch small numbers quickly.	[21:36]
chetty	haha, yeah it doesn't really mean that much, but it does put me off trying to explain things	[21:37]
chetty	anyway if you think about the overton window only letting you see the middle parts of the sphere it does explain a lot	[21:38]
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asciilifeform	incidentally,	[21:42]
asciilifeform	http://francis.naukas.com/files/2013/05/dibujo20130521-counterexample-to-euler-s-conjecture-on-sums-of-like-powers1.png?w=584 << good mathlol	[21:42]
asciilifeform	^ possibly shortest interesting academpaper ever.	[21:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00070575 = 1.7291 BTC [-]	[21:43]
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ben_vulpes	jurov: i just pinged the turdolator and didn't get a bounce and don't see it in the archives.	[21:44]
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chetty	now that one makes my head hurt :P	[21:44]
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punkbot	[trust-update] no changes	[21:46]
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ben_vulpes	salud Pierre_Rochard	[21:57]
Pierre_Rochard	salud	[21:57]
thestringpuller	Pierre_Rochard how is work. What was for lunch today? ;)	[22:00]
Pierre_Rochard	thestringpuller: work is going well, we just moved half the employees to the other side, of I have an office to myself now. Just sandwiches	[22:03]
Pierre_Rochard	so I have*	[22:03]
thestringpuller	fancy new office! always a good day.	[22:04]
kakobrekla	toilet and kitchen sink hybrid - no thanks. < toilet and bidet hybrids do well in china	[22:07]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: thought it was a jp thing	[22:08]
kakobrekla	oh it might be jp sry	[22:08]
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The20YearIRCloud	So how goes it everyone	[22:49]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes, whoever else: has anyone taken an interest in actually making the turd vaguely usable? namely, plugging the leaks (yes, all of them) and zapping the idiotic db corruption (supposedly 'rare': http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/2051)	[22:55]
assbot	Page Not Found - Bitcoin Stack Exchange	[22:55]
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nubbins`	!s preferred syntax highlighting style	[22:56]
assbot	1 results for 'preferred syntax highlighting style' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=preferred+syntax+highlighting+style	[22:56]
nubbins`	asciilifeform ^	[22:56]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: we are far, far from the point where the answer to this question matters.	[22:57]
ben_vulpes	memory leaks for your book?	[22:58]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: what we have now is unusable crud.	[22:58]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: as in it cannot be used, at all.	[22:58]
ben_vulpes	because it fails to bring the whole chain down?	[23:00]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: that, and it leaks memory. which means human intervention required.	[23:00]
nubbins`	something tells me this book ain't getting done by nov 15 ;D	[23:00]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: actually in its wedged state it leaks so rapidly that it soaks up 8GB in six or so hours. while failing to fetch any blocks.	[23:01]
nubbins`	:0	[23:01]
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nubbins`	meantime, i may have something special lined up for the cover	[23:02]
ben_vulpes	damn.	[23:02]
nubbins`	it'll make an o'reilly cover look like Dick & Jane	[23:02]
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n6	Namworld nanotube napedia Naphex nezZario nhanH nick1234abcd NormDePloome nubbins`	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` how was the donairine	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	!up fordlincoln	[23:07]
-assbot-	You voiced fordlincoln for 30 minutes.	[23:07]
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nubbins`	i settled for a meat sub instead	[23:07]
nubbins`	didn't have time for a donair ;/	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	bounce: wonder if you could get away with telling the SEC, "we're being regulated by the bitcoin regulatory foundation so talk to them, not us." << depends on what you mean by get away.	[23:08]
ben_vulpes	i wonder if 0.6.3 shows the same behavior.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` isn't this fast food ?	[23:08]
ben_vulpes	not that moving forwards to "version number" parity with the rangers is in any way a good idea, just to handle this crud.	[23:08]
nubbins`	fast to order... eating it in a reasonable amount of time is the problem	[23:08]
nubbins`	you need like 30-45 minutes to eat a donair	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lol asci-ilifeform	[23:09]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/11/im-patrick-murck-and-welcome-to-jackass-2-0/	[23:09]
assbot	I'm Patrick Murck And Welcome To Jackass 2.0 \| Qntra.net	[23:09]
cazalla	i'll keep pasting em seeing scoopbot no longer has the scoop	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	yeah srsly.	[23:10]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: chetty: n-dimensional sphere, as n increases << this is actually interesting to work out.	[23:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i deliberately left the proof as exercise for the interested readers.	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	the area (ie, 2d volume) of a circle (ie, 2d sphere) is pi r ^ 2. the area of a circle half as big ? pi (r/2) ^ 2. so therefore 3/4 of the sphere's volume is within the tophalf of its radius.	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	in 3d, that proportion moves to ... 7/8.	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	and from there ownards.	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	the tophalf of a sphere always holds (2^n-1)/2^n of the volume.	[23:13]
bounce	http://stopthecap.com/2014/11/04/suck-americas-worst-broadband-cities-includes-upstate-new-york-much-ohio/	[23:16]
assbot	You Suck: America's Worst Broadband Cities Include Most of Upstate New York, Much of Ohio • Stop the Cap!	[23:16]
bounce	not sure why this concentrates on "cities of at least 50k households"	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	lol i bet half of africa has better internet than half of ny state.	[23:16]
bounce	if you count facebook-only mobile "internet"	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	bounce you'd be surprised.	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	really, most of the "poor countries" are basically ohio minus us style cops. bout same facilities and amenties.	[23:17]
bounce	but it's all the more poignant for the excellent backbone infrastructure that really doesn't exist in africa	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	it's one thing to have shitty internet because you can't afford to lay cable.	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	it's another because... uh... whatever the whiteplains excuse is.	[23:18]
bounce	I have no idea what is or isn't available in ohio	[23:19]
asciilifeform	... can't afford to lay cable.	[23:19]
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asciilifeform	as for why not wireless - easy answer. cheap wireless would mean that folks with more money would not be 'sheared' adequately.	[23:19]
thestringpuller	!up m4rCsi	[23:19]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform :p	[23:19]
asciilifeform	same reason why cheap housing is verboten.	[23:20]
nubbins`	huly fu-u-u-u-u-ck it takes a long time to download the blockchain	[23:20]
z33andO_o	that's because it's not really p2p software, bitcoin-core picks 1 node and downloads all from it	[23:20]
z33andO_o	if you pick a slow one then it takes ages	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	z33andO_o that's a good point incidentally.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes that's another one for the endless list : fix the motherfucking p0p implementation so it actually is p2p	[23:21]
nubbins`	wat.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[23:21]
bounce	the US does have a habit of starting some community initiative only to see it lobbied into the ground because it would be "unfair" to overpriced unwilling monopolistic large corporations	[23:21]
nubbins`	jesus	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	bounce and vice-versa.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	z33andO_o who're you btw ?	[23:23]
z33andO_o	xiando	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	oh nm	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	:p	[23:23]
asciilifeform	if sewer systems were introduced for the first time in today's usa, they would be an exotic and unobtainable thing. because would be unfair!!!11!! to 'private enterprise' fleets of honeywagons carting shit away for a dollar a turd.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` satoshi's origina, likely defensible call was that "hack it this way so it works, fix later when more manpower"	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	obviously usgavin then failed to deliver on this, as on anything else. another broken promise.	[23:24]
nubbins`	nod	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform bitcoin is being introduced today for the first time, plays out exactly as described.	[23:25]
nubbins`	seriously tho, i'm downloading blocks over fiber at 60KB/s	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	internet before that.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` flush the node.	[23:25]
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nubbins`	only thing i know how to flush is the toilet	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	block its ip in your firewall. most likely result bitcoind hickups for a minute and moves on.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	obviously exact result can not be known, because the specification is gavin's mother's cunt.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	i mean software.	[23:28]
nubbins`	a a a	[23:28]
nubbins`	yeah, see, bitcoind crashes ~1x daily on this vm	[23:29]
nubbins`	i'm assuming it grabs a diff node each time	[23:29]
nubbins`	they're all slow as shit	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	that's only 3-400x a year!	[23:29]
nubbins`	:D	[23:29]
nubbins`	60KB/s is probably the best upload speed i'll ever get from some random user	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	possibly canadian fiber runs on poutine ?	[23:30]
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nubbins`	w/e it runs on, it works	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	did you rub sugar on it today ?	[23:30]
nubbins`	nope, crisco	[23:30]
bounce	can you force what node it'll fetch the blockchain from?	[23:30]
nubbins`	5.7MB/s over wifi	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	lol crisco is for cisco ?	[23:30]
nubbins`	heh	[23:31]
nubbins`	the r is silent	[23:31]
bounce	would be worth it to trace a couple yourself and pick a good one, then force-feed it	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	bounce yes, actually, by editing the fallback list and wiping its other methods of acquisition	[23:31]
nubbins`	("kissco? the fu...")	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	there are other methods	[23:31]
nubbins`	not like this isn't a fool's errand anyway, if it's gonna clam up at block 250k	[23:32]
nubbins`	but hey, to boldly go	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	(said fallback list being another thing that should go away, but iirc this was mentioned)	[23:32]
bounce	something to drop on a todo list in a wiki or something	[23:32]
nubbins`	provide text file w/ trusted nodes as argument or smth	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: and zapping the idiotic db corruption <<< there is more to this story, i doubt it's just "corruption". sadly i dun have the smoking gun.	[23:33]
bounce	or, well, start with dropping the things on the ml, it's there for this sort of thing	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	but if there was a candidate for "magic packet" undocumented behaviour of the subverted gavin-bitcoin, this is it.	[23:34]
nubbins`	http://www.speedtest.net/result/3886931652.png	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	i r believ you nubbins` !	[23:34]
nubbins`	the proof is in the ping!	[23:34]
nubbins`	not sure what i'd get if i hooked up a wire	[23:35]
nubbins`	suppose it doesn't matter	[23:35]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins`: it'll make an o'reilly cover look like Dick & Jane :D	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/1062/obama-impeached/ << even money eh ?	[23:36]
assbot	BitBet - Obama Impeached :: 0.28 B (58%) on Yes, 0.21 B (42%) on No \| closing in 11 months 2 weeks \| weight: 99`955 (100`000 to 1)	[23:36]
nubbins`	http://www.brightok.net/~wdmorgan-ss/Books/TransferFolder/CoverFWDAJ.jpg	[23:36]
nubbins`	fun /with/ dick and jane	[23:36]
nubbins`	side note: that's a silkscreened cover	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	yeah i was thinking, why em the "with"	[23:36]
nubbins`	you'd see this occasionally in old letterpress shit, where the publisher ran outta type in the given font	[23:37]
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nubbins`	but silkscreen? nfi	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	i think ima make a list of romanian cursing. the internet is appalling.	[23:38]
bounce	maybe the same reason why "modern" word-produced turds end up with more fonts than words	[23:42]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[23:42]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 340.11, Best ask: 340.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 340.99, 24 hour volume: 15372.53022261, 24 hour low: 326.71, 24 hour high: 344.17, 24 hour vwap: 337.428263329	[23:42]
cazalla	http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2677538/the-woman-taking-on-coles-in-a-landmark-case/ But Ms Mesnage encountered a number of problems with the Coles website, including being unable to select a delivery time for her groceries and complex navigation that meant it could take up to eight hours to place an order.	[23:42]
assbot	The woman taking on Coles in a landmark case \| Illawarra Mercury	[23:42]
cazalla	imagine having to build your website to accomodate such people or get your shit handed to you	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	in other news, "man can't find door, sues shop"	[23:44]
nubbins`	groan, eyeroll	[23:44]
asciilifeform	not like this isn't a fool's errand anyway, if it's gonna clam up at block 250k << i actually have most of a patch for purely configurable block pumping. but shelved it and everything else for this reason.	[23:45]
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bounce	and the block problem is a DB handling problem, wasn't it? making swapping DB thingies a bit of a priority.	[23:49]
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mircea_popescu	bounce no apparently they ran into an earlier issue	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	!up piznit	[23:51]
-assbot-	You voiced piznit for 30 minutes.	[23:51]
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asciilifeform	they ran into an earlier issue << likely involves db corruption. see earlier link, ~1hr ago	[23:54]
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