Forum logs for 02 Oct 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-487885.txt [00:13]
trinque: mircea_popescu: he didn't put them in the bot [00:13]
trinque: he just made deeds. [00:14]
mircea_popescu: oh [00:14]
mircea_popescu: !!help [00:14]
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html [00:14]
mircea_popescu: !!deposit 1 BTC [00:14]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ibBmP/?raw=true [00:14]
trinque: units aren't needed there [00:15]
mircea_popescu: so what do i use, fractionals ? [00:15]
mircea_popescu: !!v 539218EA825EAAA0BFEC1FFC260DDDE968EDC8A3AC0F1C5F80814807907C47A0 [00:15]
trinque: takes units of decimal btc [00:16]
* trinque removes the "upcoming" [00:16]
mircea_popescu: so !!deposit 1 is 1 btc and deposit 0.01 is 1 bitcent ? [00:16]
trinque: correct [00:16]
trinque: it'll come back to you with encrypted next steps [00:16]
mircea_popescu: so far it's silent [00:17]
trinque: when given the right count of parameters [00:17]
mircea_popescu: well it should bitch rather than let me decrypt an useless pad then [00:17]
mircea_popescu: !!deposit 1 [00:17]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dYUDW/?raw=true [00:17]
trinque: hey, I got scooped by lobbes! [00:18]
mircea_popescu: ah sorry. [00:18]
mircea_popescu: should i hold off on this ? [00:18]
trinque: nah it's all there [00:18]
mircea_popescu: !!v 5173B2520A618A470B3F0874800652F8EA5F7792037EF86BC2908D2F966C4385 [00:18]
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fYiyV/?raw=true [00:18]
mircea_popescu: trinque why is the two step thing needed again ? [00:19]
trinque: because the thing's otherwise open to filling up my deposit queue with junk [00:19]
trinque: for things like balance, one step [00:19]
mircea_popescu: can be used by nonvoiced ppls ? [00:20]
trinque: depending on the level of trust I put in freenode [00:20]
mircea_popescu: so what are ppl gonna do, fill your queue with junk then get negrated ? not much of a plan. [00:21]
trinque: it's a fair point lets remove it and see what happens [00:21]
mircea_popescu: can just arbitrarily fine offenders if need be. [00:21]
mircea_popescu: recall when alf got fined like what was it, 1 btc ? for spamming the chan ? [00:23]
trinque: lol I don't, but it's a fine policy. [00:24]
mircea_popescu: way early, when it ever happened at all. [00:24]
trinque: I haven't put anything into place, but it's interesting to consider how the wot and access to wallet might interact. [00:24]
mircea_popescu: anything specific ? [00:26]
trinque: I might not be inclined to hold money for folks that have been severely negrated by enough of the lordship. [00:28]
mircea_popescu: well how would they even use it. [00:29]
mircea_popescu: gotta be able to voice neh [00:29]
trinque: isn't locked to this channel at the moment. [00:29]
trinque: but doing so'd do exactly that [00:29]
mircea_popescu: might as well. [00:29]
trinque: mircea_popescu: another thing to note is you asked to be able to pay arbitrary addresses. can do, but I much prefer that be done with !!withdraw rather than !!pay. otherwise I'm stuck worrying about whether some person registers an address as nick. [00:33]
trinque: I don't like writing functions that try to figure out what kind of inputs they were handed. (and I write lisp, even) [00:33]
mircea_popescu: im not understanding something here [00:34]
trinque: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-29-aug-2017#2330650 [00:35]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 20:04 mircea_popescu: !!pay 1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh 1 [00:35]
mircea_popescu: so basically, you want !!withdraw to pay to a bitcxoin addredss and !!pay to pay to a nick ? [00:35]
trinque: yep [00:35]
mircea_popescu: this makes perfect sense. [00:35]
mircea_popescu: trinque what happens if i send the payment twice ? [00:52]
trinque: in the longstanding tradition of republican payments, deedbot thanks you for your donation. or put more kindly, I don't want to keep a list of names and people's addresses deposit amounts are meant to identify a person only at a point in time. [00:55]
mircea_popescu: and how long does an address last ? [00:55]
trinque: there's only a single address, and the generated deposit amount is what links any inbound transactions to their account. [00:56]
mircea_popescu: how long does the link last ? [00:57]
trinque: hadn't decided yet, but I'm fine with it being quite long. ideally the deposit_request table doesn't fill up with bunk requests. [01:00]
mircea_popescu: is there collision protection ? or can the same 4 digits show up twice ? [01:01]
trinque: the same 4 digits will only show up again if a previous deposit for that amount has been completed [01:01]
mircea_popescu: cool. [01:01]
mircea_popescu: so basically, as long as you're not getting in excess of 10k calls per however long they expire, you don't really have a problem. [01:02]
trinque: exactly, shouldn't be a reason to delete at all [01:02]
mircea_popescu: make it a day then ? 24h ? [01:02]
trinque: can certainly say at least 24hrs I was willing to say "at least a month" [01:02]
mircea_popescu: so make it a week, should cover all insane scenarios. [01:03]
trinque: k [01:03]
* mircea_popescu will still use it as a "it's good for a day-ish", which imo is reasonable. [01:03]
mircea_popescu: day soft week hard boundry, should work fine [01:03]
trinque: I'm headed to bed, will respond to any other feedback in the AM. [01:19]
mircea_popescu: kk [01:19]
trinque: gnite [01:20]
deedbot: deeds online [01:22]
mircea_popescu: and in other utter lulz, https://www.cjr.org/business_of_news/pivot-to-video.php [01:29]
mircea_popescu: !!balance [02:09]
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HnAgr/?raw=true [02:09]
BingoBoingo: 50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada [06:42]
BingoBoingo: Or was apprehended on floor 32 [06:43]
BingoBoingo: LVPD is apparently seeking a petite, aged azn female as suspected accomplice [06:44]
diana_coman: Framedragger, did you ever publish somewhere re the customs fee you had to pay for your fg(s)? [07:16]
shinohai: http://archive.is/eZTlZ mircea_popescu, danielpbarron, still free to compete. [09:21]
mircea_popescu: !!balance [10:37]
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6c7wf/?raw=true [10:37]
mircea_popescu: !!up asciilifeform [10:43]
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes. [10:43]
mircea_popescu: !!up asciilifeform_ [10:43]
deedbot: asciilifeform_ voiced for 30 minutes. [10:43]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman indeed he did, but beyond http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638767 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029 [10:43]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-06 11:42 Framedragger: rehosted here: http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/import-1.jpg && http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/import-2.jpg [10:43]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 16:24 Framedragger: re. FUCKGOATS customs hold-up in UK: according to their story the hold-up with uk customs was due to them having to apply import duty (had to pay a bit) from u.s., *even though* i've had plenty of shit sent in from u.s. of a. before, so who knows (they wouldn't tell me more) :D [10:43]
diana_coman: ah, I was thinking more post/blog style I guess anyways, I'll link to log then I suppose [10:47]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719420 << a new hero, huh. [10:48]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 10:42 BingoBoingo: 50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada [10:48]
mircea_popescu: the culling of the lot millenial is long overdue as it is. hopefully the rest of the 60yos understand their past mistakes and proceed to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713736 [10:49]
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 19:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713729 << this is not even a correct statement. more properly "i will desist killing all my offspring before gestation completes if and only if my sovereign right to kill them at any time is socially recognized". [10:49]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman for some reason he's insanely reluctant to blog. nfi. [10:50]
diana_coman: anyways, for posterity, similar story to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029 but in detail here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/ [10:52]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 16:24 Framedragger: re. FUCKGOATS customs hold-up in UK: according to their story the hold-up with uk customs was due to them having to apply import duty (had to pay a bit) from u.s., *even though* i've had plenty of shit sent in from u.s. of a. before, so who knows (they wouldn't tell me more) :D [10:52]
asciilifeform: RIP dulap. [10:56]
mircea_popescu: a it went ? [10:57]
asciilifeform: aha. we complained, they listened!111! [10:57]
mircea_popescu: it was getting ridoinculous. [10:58]
asciilifeform: lulzily, asciilifeform spent ~whole weekend dealing with ~exactly same picture re a box in the saeculum. [11:03]
mircea_popescu: there's not very much else LEFT is the point. should actual people take up the above http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719437 and should they complete a few hundred million executions, we'd discover that... we can't even fucking tell. [11:04]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 14:49 mircea_popescu: the culling of the lot millenial is long overdue as it is. hopefully the rest of the 60yos understand their past mistakes and proceed to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713736 [11:04]
mircea_popescu: none of these schmucks actually do anything with their time. [11:04]
mircea_popescu: shinohai that's ok, i'd rather grow an amateur beard. [11:06]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and besides, i'll bet you bitcoin to donuts they DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG. [11:09]
mircea_popescu: i don't mean, the complete list, from "don't route my emails through fucking atlanta so they can be arrested in rem, imbecile, especially not if you advertise nationalist lithuania or w/e the fuck, scammer" to "don't give away my harddrives to schmucks, what the fuck is wrong with you". [11:10]
mircea_popescu: as far as idiot mind is concerned, they "tried" and "went above and beyond" but "sadly". [11:10]
* mircea_popescu once interviewed girly, towards the outer edge of age limit, who had spent those years in office drone training. what she got for it was 0 independent thought or capacity of action, nothing left of natural curiosity or sensuality, overall horrible fit. but the thing is she declared, as her own self-image, that she's the sorta gal which, told to jump, merely wants to know how high. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: phraseology she no doubt picked off some "conference" or whatever they call the corporation-organized "social life" for the drones. and she actually believed this. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: they actually think themselves human, for reasons that've nothing to do with anything above and beyond a waxed cylinder reproducing human speech. [11:13]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, presumably want to know how high in order to write it down on the to-do list or some such it's a world of words, what else is there anyway other than words [11:15]
mircea_popescu: maybe. i don't think it was anything deeper than just the response, tbh. [11:16]
mircea_popescu: world of words, yes, but not even articulated words. most things are one-pass. [11:16]
diana_coman: exactly, push this button get that response and if you want another response, tweak a bit and there it goes out [11:16]
mircea_popescu: the other as a single-pass state machine, "if he says X then he's in state 1 you say Y, if he says Q you say Z, ... , if he says T you say G and that's the whole list of interaction". [11:17]
mircea_popescu: "how's it going" "great" "here's that X" "thank you" and a few others. maybe a dozen ? maybe three dozen for you know, super-duper VIP CTO CEO etc. that's the whole model. [11:18]
diana_coman: quite and what do you mean to say P when he said T!!! that is not fair and so on [11:18]
mircea_popescu: two pass responsens such as "how's it going" -?-> "great" end -?-> !"great" "just $x ? not great ?" is already SO FUCKUING CREATIVE OMG it belongs in like the movies. [11:19]
mircea_popescu: i think rockstars talk like that. [11:19]
diana_coman: lol [11:19]
mircea_popescu: somehow people could watch fargo and not call the national guard to salt the fucking place where it stood. [11:19]
* mircea_popescu still can't grok how that works. [11:19]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in a basement somewhere, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e4963cf0b439c0762e6833b68c3a3595/tumblr_ns8c6euMmv1t5vf0wo1_1280.jpg [11:32]
cruciform: I've been reading the logs, and my head hurts [11:39]
cruciform: at least retards are spared - one assumes - the realisation that they're retarded [11:39]
mircea_popescu: sometimes i guess. [11:40]
cruciform: about 2 months in so far -6m is a hefty requirement! [11:41]
diana_coman: cruciform, head hurting though can be same as "muscle hurts" - simply an indication it's ...working and growing [11:41]
mircea_popescu: or that you had too much fun. [11:41]
cruciform: mircea_popescu: definitely having fun! [11:42]
diana_coman: are those different? [11:42]
mircea_popescu: lol [11:42]
mod6: <+cruciform> about 2 months in so far -6m is a hefty requirement! << nice, keep at it! [11:46]
mircea_popescu: cruciform see also http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-one/#comment-118639 http://trilema.com/2013/regarding-money/#comment-122988 etc [11:47]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719454 << iirc the original americanism was 'shit ? tellme what colour' [11:48]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 15:13 mircea_popescu once interviewed girly, towards the outer edge of age limit, who had spent those years in office drone training. what she got for it was 0 independent thought or capacity of action, nothing left of natural curiosity or sensuality, overall horrible fit. but the thing is she declared, as her own self-image, that she's the sorta gal which, told to jump, merely wants to know how high. [11:48]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i heard it originally in the hotel trade, "if guest calls desk at 3am to ask for a cucumber, the only acceptable question is how large" [11:48]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719440 << holyshit where didja get asciilifeform's deck of cards! diana_coman ?11 [11:49]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 14:52 diana_coman: anyways, for posterity, similar story to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029 but in detail here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/ [11:49]
mircea_popescu: i suspect yours is ulterior militarism [11:49]
asciilifeform: lollterior, with them pikes an' swords [11:50]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, didn't know it was yours, man! lolz, lemme dig... [11:50]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: pretty sure i have that same ace at least. [11:50]
asciilifeform: same, i suspect, era, suggested also by the degree of yellow [11:50]
asciilifeform: and yeah i did assume that diana_coman read the Framedragger l0gz, knew that the british brazenly molest and kidnap parcels [11:51]
asciilifeform: if it ain't a seekrit, diana_coman , how didja end up in britanistan ? [11:51]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, got the "ultimate deck" from the US indeed, in...wholly time, 2013!! http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/2013/03/10/notite-disparate-despre-nimic-anume/ [11:52]
asciilifeform: lol! [11:52]
asciilifeform: i had nfi that they made faux-su dex there. [11:53]
asciilifeform: brain-melting. [11:53]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I did know of Framedragger's experience yes similarly I have my own experience of Ro post brazenly not only kidnapping packages as in...entirely, vanished etc [11:53]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 1 time i sent a ( precursor to fg ) to ro, it took... what, 6 wks ? and ~0 of the original wrapping remained iirc [11:53]
asciilifeform: ( mircea_popescu might recall details ) [11:54]
mircea_popescu: eh, su is no better. in recent memory they stole camera, resealed package, sent it along. [11:54]
mircea_popescu: and by su i mean, of course, us. [11:54]
asciilifeform: how to even tell where on the route, stole. [11:54]
asciilifeform: could be in one zimbabwestan, could be in other. [11:54]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well they resealed with their own tape. [11:54]
mircea_popescu: and the usps paid for the insurance, too. [11:54]
mircea_popescu: girls were mindblown, "why the fuck would anyone do this". [11:55]
mircea_popescu: the answer, however, is obvious -- random convict couldn't, literally, give less of a shit. [11:55]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, re britanistan I'm still searching for the essence of my deep problem that keeps me here but historically it comes after having enough of Italy after having enough of France after having enough (more than enough!!!) of Ro [11:55]
diana_coman: so dunno, having so many enoughs and eating them, might be I got fat [11:55]
mircea_popescu: "oh it will be discovered". what the fuck does he care ? by the time it's discovered he's either dead, inside anyway for "drug bust" or otherwise, you know, MADE IT IN THIS GAME [11:55]
asciilifeform: one time, in 2000s, asciilifeform bought a mk61 classic sov calculator from a d00d in ru. came in, noshit, old-school wooden crate, everything intact, manuals, etc. BUT the power brick -- snippycutted off. [11:55]
asciilifeform: who would steal a 30 y.o. 220v brick -- to this day i have nfi. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: selfsame dood above. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: he thought it pattern matches something fence might have taken once. [11:56]
asciilifeform: gotta be. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: this is the constant lulz, asking "what was he thinking". what the fuck, if he were thinking he'd be working at the post office ? [11:57]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as one who lives 20min from the fuhrerbunker, asciilifeform is not someone to lecture folx on 'time to move'. but i dun think anybody could ~pay~ me enuff to live in rotherhamistan... [11:57]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's ok, i dunno who else could be paid enough to live in the swamp. [11:58]
asciilifeform: hey at least i dun gotta pay vat!111 [11:58]
asciilifeform: not 1 time had any problem getting mail from whatveristan. [11:58]
mircea_popescu: and yet strangely the us collects as much tax as the uk. [11:58]
trinque: got state income tax in maryland too! [11:58]
asciilifeform: at least. but at least not at postoffice!11 [11:58]
trinque: neener! [11:58]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, re "why would he do that" - I don't think there is a why what to do with it comes afterwards anyway [11:58]
mircea_popescu: oh i see. [11:58]
asciilifeform: trinque: massive tax [11:58]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, part of trouble is that atm on such coordinates it's unclear if moon is far enough as it is [12:00]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman amusingly, it increased ? yours was 19.42, Framedragger 's was 18.6 if memory serves ? [12:00]
mircea_popescu: does the queen's own asshole dilate with inflation in those lands too ? [12:01]
diana_coman: it seems that his was lower but it's unclear why really [12:01]
asciilifeform: holyfuq that's > the postage [12:02]
diana_coman: it's fixed amount asciilifeform and a third of it is for "post service" weirdly enough [12:02]
asciilifeform: nuts. [12:03]
mircea_popescu: in related news, i turned off a horrifying bad piece of british propaganda yest, "the hill" with sean connery. [12:03]
asciilifeform: british are famous for this kind of thing for 300yrs, neh, this is as much a surprise as the dozen+ mosquito bites on asciilifeform's leg [12:03]
diana_coman: more than a third even [12:03]
mircea_popescu: the idea there is that people in a north africa military prison give so much of a shit about the crown & all they actually do what told! [12:03]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'post service' i suppose is 'the fine service of searching through packages an' pilfering' [12:04]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, quite you don't get to pay that if package doesn't attract customs fee [12:04]
lobbes: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.00100800 [12:04]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gmaQc/?raw=true [12:05]
diana_coman: I got plenty of packages otherwise and never had to pay such a thing [12:05]
lobbes: Damn. Alright I'ma create invoice tonight once I'm near my signing key, mircea_popescu [12:05]
diana_coman: admittedly, not much (if any, hmm) from the USA [12:05]
asciilifeform: lol, what other than fg might you even want sent from there. [12:06]
diana_coman: come to think of it: the deck of cards! lol [12:06]
* asciilifeform looks at his desk, and finds, other than FGs, 1 and only 1 object made in usa -- the ibm keyboard, circa 1982 [12:06]
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/poO3G/?raw=true << the item. because FUCKING TOTALLY, if i'm running whores in cairo i'm gonna be so totally impressed with some two bit sargent major he's not only not getting shot, but ima do what he says! guess who's changing who here!!11 [12:07]
mircea_popescu: and so on etcetera. [12:07]
diana_coman: asciilifeform> diana_coman: as one who lives 20min from the fuhrerbunker, asciilifeform is not someone to lecture folx on 'time to move'. but i dun think anybody could ~pay~ me enuff to live in rotherhamistan... <-- on one hand most non-brits here (and yeah, it's an area with some 25%+ non-brits) anyway are a positive thing overall on the other hand there is this (been repeatedly told) very British dream of retiring (with good [12:09]
diana_coman: money obv!) in a poor country and watching the sun setting just as the local economy sets too - it sounds as if they managed the setting part right at home [12:09]
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it british lol. [12:10]
mircea_popescu: it's florentine is what it is. [12:10]
mircea_popescu: and before that is what legionnaire did. [12:10]
asciilifeform: seems like brits have the worst of 2 worlds -- 1stworld prices, 3rdworld realestate [12:10]
diana_coman: must be the legionnaire florentine brits-only but yes, makes sense [12:10]
mircea_popescu: consider though : 100% of classical theatre is "old guy retiring (with good money obv!) with either young wife being a whore or else hot daughter being a slut". [12:10]
mircea_popescu: the barber of seville, the merchant of venice, the taming of the shrew, all, all "mistaken identity" / commedia dell'arte consists of this and nothing else but this : "here's how life reclaims the money bags" [12:12]
diana_coman: oh, classical theatre made me think of...antigona and I was racking my brains [12:12]
mircea_popescu: that's antique! classical theatre is this 1500 florentine thing. [12:12]
* asciilifeform also thinks 'grecoroman' when hears 'classical' [12:13]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the legionnaire's dream is the one most enduring roman contribution to modern world. [12:13]
mircea_popescu: "take the solidus, go somewhere where q. robur grows and the tits are fistfilling, settle down and relax already." [12:14]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719420 << btw complete with the Magically Evaporating Multiple Shooters [12:22]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 10:42 BingoBoingo: 50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada [12:22]
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719544 << might consider linking http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt in the memo field of your invoice [12:25]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 16:05 lobbes: Damn. Alright I'ma create invoice tonight once I'm near my signing key, mircea_popescu [12:25]
mircea_popescu: now lessee here. [12:26]
mircea_popescu: !!received-invoices [12:26]
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mzQJ9/?raw=true [12:26]
mircea_popescu: oh he didn't send anything yet ? [12:26]
trinque: nah, not yet [12:26]
mircea_popescu: kk [12:27]
trinque: but that's where it'll end up [12:27]
mircea_popescu: worx [12:27]
asciilifeform: https://i.imgur.com/KNx6u8Q.jpg << geography of p0stal [12:39]
asciilifeform: coupla 100 metres. [12:39]
mircea_popescu: wait, he shot from the hotel into the parking lot as it were ? [12:41]
asciilifeform: allegedly. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: vietnam vet ? [12:42]
asciilifeform: according to beobachter, one 'Stephen Paddock... ...64, was found dead in his room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas when a police SWAT team broke down the door. Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said authorities believe Paddock killed himself.... Paddock had a private pilot's license and the FAA is gathering his records, according to FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown. So far, authorities have found no military rec [12:43]
asciilifeform: ords for Stephen Paddock.' [12:43]
mircea_popescu: "Hey, I would have bought it HERE if it EXISTED, you know? It sucks to have to import cool stuff from half way around the world, yes, but how does it follow then that one also has to *pay locals* for their failing to have the cool stuff locally?" << this is a rather important point. [12:43]
asciilifeform: 'Law enforcement has no "derogatory information" about Paddock, besides the fact that he received a citation several years ago that was handled in the court system, Lombardo said.' [12:44]
mircea_popescu: lmao what. [12:44]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in one of those rare examples of youth not being wasted on the young, http://68.media.tumblr.com/eaa45c186f01e7a30c279a9234dff8a7/tumblr_nr3hc7TyS01r87thuo1_500.gif [12:45]
asciilifeform: i.e. scapegoat, picked from intel's list of old men nobody will esp. notice meanwhile maidan sniper squad culled the culls [12:45]
mircea_popescu: pfff. [12:45]
asciilifeform: i dun see any particular reason to swallow the Official story [12:46]
mircea_popescu: well what is this, conspiracism for conspiracism's sake ? [12:52]
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine who could possibly be arsed to eat the cost of culling the worthless millenials. that an old man undertakes it is very much in the vein of what old age is all about. [12:53]
asciilifeform: it's a reichstag, wat [12:53]
mircea_popescu: big daddy pollitt similarily attempts to help brick. [12:53]
asciilifeform: pretty obvious cui bono. [12:53]
mircea_popescu: what, is your construction here that las vegas hospitals and funeral parlors have revived the ancient frontier practice of paying drunks to create work for them ? [12:54]
asciilifeform: not 'funeral parlours', unless it is simply mircea_popescu likes playing deliberately thick. dhs et al. [12:54]
mircea_popescu: ie, drumming up support for the war on terror etc ? [12:55]
asciilifeform: aha [12:55]
asciilifeform: and also from where didja get the notion that 'culled millenials' ? [12:55]
mircea_popescu: well who the fuck goes to an open air concert, besides mobile poor people. [12:55]
asciilifeform: looks like it was workingclass, BingoBoingoish set [12:55]
asciilifeform: 'country' [12:56]
mircea_popescu: i don't think this segmentation carries any water. it's not "workingclass or officeclass". it's not country or pop or rap or anything else. it's born before 1990 or not. [12:56]
mircea_popescu: if yes, there's no office and there's no work and there's no anything else. there's strictly the ipad and hopefully lead. [12:56]
asciilifeform: i'ma defer to the culturally clued folx ( BingoBoingo , trinque , ben_vulpes ) re who likely was in the culling field. [12:57]
asciilifeform: the police photos dun offer a clear answer re 'post-1990 or not', imho [12:58]
mircea_popescu: o wow, google took wikipedia off it's "Special box". [12:58]
mircea_popescu: it's the end of the spamsite innit. [12:58]
asciilifeform: waiwat nowai [12:59]
mircea_popescu: google jason aldean. there's his personal site, searches for spouse and his lulzy kids preloaded, songs (on youtube, fo course) linked. [13:00]
mircea_popescu: INSTAGRAM profile before facebook, and no wikipedia. [13:00]
mircea_popescu: twitter-myspace tail to add insult to injury. [13:00]
asciilifeform: lol google front already has the oblig sadface [13:00]
asciilifeform: 'our hearts...' etc [13:00]
asciilifeform: 'The 2 time ACM Entertainer of the Year Award winner has sold 15 million albums and has 17 #1 songs! “With all the albums we’ve done, we’ve always taken our own path and not thought about what everyone else is doing,” says Jason Aldean.' [13:01]
asciilifeform: ftr i had nfi he existed. ( but this is not saying much ) [13:02]
mircea_popescu: On September 30, 2012, Aldean admitted to having "acted inappropriately at a bar",while former American Idol contestant Brittany Kerr, responding to reports linking her and Aldean, said in a statement she had suffered "a lapse in judgment" and "would like to sincerely apologize to everyone that has been affected by this" [13:02]
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is going to be affected by a naked slut in a bar getting fucked or w/e they did [13:02]
asciilifeform: apparently pro-trump d00d [13:06]
asciilifeform: ( aldean ) [13:06]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in my backwards-ass neck of the woods, it's practically a family affair: http://www.portlandmercury.com/feature/2017/09/27/19346945/song-of-the-red-states [13:24]
ben_vulpes: vegas is hard to pin down demographically, as it's just the projection of a particular multidimensional entertainment megacorp through our plane, so you're just as likely to run into tourists not even from this plane as you are say dentists from las cruces or 'hft guyz' from nyc [13:25]
mircea_popescu: "But the Bi-Mart Willamette Country Music Festival—or BMWCMF as it will be henceforth referred to—clearly does not care about positive PR. In that way, the BMWCMF is unlike any music festival I’ve ever been to. It also perfectly embodies Oregon as it exists outside of Portland: rural, rugged, and rude. Attempting to acquire a media pass feels more like haggling with a stranger on Craigslist." << jews' first little step [13:26]
mircea_popescu: on the lengthy long road to discovering that no, nobody wants zher here there or absolutely anywhere. [13:26]
mircea_popescu: and nobody cares how the whine about it goes, either. [13:26]
ben_vulpes: uite [13:28]
ben_vulpes: quite* [13:28]
mircea_popescu: "positive pr" indeed, what, from the likes of Caleb Crain and his "husband" Peter Terzian ? noty. [13:28]
asciilifeform: whossat [13:29]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ < random nobodies with a mention on trilema [13:31]
asciilifeform: aaaa [13:31]
mircea_popescu: and in other wetware spun content lulz, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4935506/Feds-nab-one-dark-web-s-largest-drug-dealers.html [13:43]
asciilifeform: lol rasputin [13:44]
mircea_popescu: and in other "the consumer is still using the computer as a screensaver" lulz, https://thecryptochat.net/ [14:20]
mircea_popescu: here's a great idea : the best way to "Screensave" is by NOT FUCKING BUYING ONE. [14:20]
mircea_popescu: if it's not for you, why importune the world. [14:20]
asciilifeform: incidentally i fully expect that screensavers ( in the 1990s sense of the word ) will soon come back : crapple et al finally went to oled ( luminophor-based display, sorta like flat crt but with even faster burn in, mtbf ~2years ) [14:22]
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719440 - interestingly enough re uk vat for us "imports" I got passed on this snippet, apparently published in the spectator too: "I recently ordered a pair of wire strippers from the USA at a cost of £14.07. Two weeks later I received a demand for £3.90 duty and VAT, plus a Royal Mail 'handling fee' of £8. The latter struck me as an awful lot of handling for a small tool. Thank you, Royal [14:23]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 14:52 diana_coman: anyways, for posterity, similar story to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029 but in detail here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/ [14:23]
diana_coman: Mail, but no. You may now enjoy handling the item all the way back to America, at your own cost." [14:23]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it'd matter a lot more if the actual handling cost weren't ~100 ECu or so per package. [14:23]
asciilifeform: the penalty for not buying chinese liquishit, via the approved import channels, is strict. [14:24]
mircea_popescu: rather, the penalty for breaking chinese liquidshit marketing areas. [14:24]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, fwiw re deck of cards the way I found that fake one was basically through a Russian who saw&bought it because it reminded HIM of the original deck of cards of his grandfather who was of the type self-exiled to France [14:24]
mircea_popescu: where do you suppose those ended up ion the us from. [14:24]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the anglos, fwiw, have what i suspect is the world's ugliest standardized (and it is astonishingly standardized) deck of cards. iirc ~unchanged from shakespeare's time [14:26]
mircea_popescu: this is for good reason. [14:26]
diana_coman: hm, now that you mention it I realise I do not have even one single anglo-deck of cards actually in the house, lol [14:26]
mircea_popescu: beauty, always hieroglyphic, distracts from alphabetic use of signifying tools. [14:26]
asciilifeform: but yes on second glance i could tell that diana_coman's ace was english -- letter A is megaclue [14:26]
asciilifeform: i dun have anglodeck either. [14:26]
* mircea_popescu can't stand non-standard decks for eg bridge. if you wanna gawk, have the partner topless. [14:27]
asciilifeform: miserable plastic things, too [14:27]
asciilifeform: afaik nobody makes paper cards in heathendom , not for half century [14:27]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, eh, there is that re playing [14:28]
mircea_popescu: (topless girl bridge tournament is great because of the old lady player problem. which is, there's this subclass of player, often looking like dame olivier, who are VERY fucking tight players. this is great for them, as they usually win or at least place well, but terrible for the game, as it becomes dry.) [14:30]
mircea_popescu: i want my #2 spot to be because i bid 6NT and made it on that obvioud 4h hand not because i always did 3s instead of 2s and shaved 10 points each time that way. [14:30]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ah, if you meant latin letters then I guess most of mine are "anglo" in this sense, yes prolly just 2 or so actually Russian [14:30]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i meant that it was visibly a modern deck, vs vintage su [14:31]
diana_coman: indeed [14:31]
ben_vulpes: in other brazen disregardz: https://www.fastcasual.com/news/eeoc-sues-whataburger-over-directive-to-hire-only-white-applicants/ [14:43]
trinque: uh, I can show anyone to a number of whataburgers that are black as hell [14:45]
mircea_popescu: and in other bwahahahas, [14:48]
mircea_popescu: !~later tell elaineo wtf is http://sandhill.exchange/being-in-debt-understanding-your-situation/ lol [14:48]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. [14:48]
ben_vulpes: trinque: you figure fabrication on the part of the fired mgr? [14:49]
trinque: I struggle to remember the last time I saw a white person behind the counter at waterburger [14:49]
ben_vulpes: i have nfi in re the skin tone makeup of tallahasse [14:51]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's elaino's connection to that thing? [14:51]
mircea_popescu: since you ask, https://elaineou.com/2014/10/16/93-male/ [14:52]
ben_vulpes: aaah [14:53]
trinque: Silicon Valley sexism << baww [14:55]
trinque: where's that fall on the grab-'em-by-the-pussy continuum? [14:56]
mircea_popescu: cuntinuum you mean ? [14:57]
trinque: lol [14:57]
mircea_popescu: and re sv sexism, from the same source : https://elaineou.com/2014/10/07/100-percent-women/ [14:59]
* mircea_popescu absolutely doubts wanna-be in the "spam fake acounts" game known as "online dating" actually contains anything but borroed pictures spit-jointed to bad prose written by a (male) grad student somewhere. [15:00]
mircea_popescu: but then again this is i guess not directly obvious to the aspirational female. [15:00]
mircea_popescu: the open question, of course, is whether associating with the actually rich, with the flauntingly rich, with the actually poor or with the pretend poor (such as you know, us pantsuit) is the better approach to not-staying-poor. [15:02]
* asciilifeform misread : 'flatulently rich' [15:07]
mircea_popescu: lol [15:07]
mircea_popescu: it's very problematic, all this. consider the (correctly labeled!) illustration of branson : https://elaineou.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/denni-parkinson-nude-richard-branson-island-2050764615.jpg [15:08]
mircea_popescu: superficially, the dude is doing it right. [15:09]
mircea_popescu: sadly the story behind that is that denni parkinson was there with HER BOYFRIEND, who's some photog there to shoot some bs about branson's hobby (some kind of new and improved surfing) [15:09]
mircea_popescu: and self-same boyfriend proposed that prop #1 (his gf, with the tits) sit so and so with prop #2 (his client, with the gray hair) so HIS picture comes out good. which it did. [15:10]
mircea_popescu: except the photog is not rich. well, not monetarily, anyway. [15:10]
mircea_popescu: moreover -- branson is exactly another version of socialist state - krysha'd pseudo-entrepreneur, exactly like [15:13]
mircea_popescu: eh wtf's his name, the one who sold some sports entertaining thing to yahoo and has been posturing as "entrepreneur" ever since. [15:13]
trinque: mark cuban? [15:14]
mircea_popescu: ty! [15:17]
mircea_popescu: moreover -- branson is exactly another version of socialist state - krysha'd pseudo-entrepreneur, exactly like http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/ [15:17]
mircea_popescu: his contribution to this world is "it's easy to make a small fortune in whatever -- start with a big one". [15:18]
mircea_popescu: plenty of these all around. [15:18]
asciilifeform: meanwhile.... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716028 >> we have (1) >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/kBS9G/?raw=true << 16sec on standardtestbox [15:18]
a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 02:01 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform found that 1) knuthian division can be sped up by ANOTHER factor of 2, by walking the bits of the quotient instead of shifting'em 2) barrett reduction in constant time is almost certainly possible [15:18]
mircea_popescu: so now. what impact does any of this have on ... on who exactly ? denni dun wanna be rich, she wants to have fun. [15:18]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i dun see any particular reason to swallow the Official story << I am surprised official story is not about the inequality of heights which provided a priviledged vantage point for shooter [15:18]
asciilifeform: grr, wrong link, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715696 [15:19]
a111: Logged on 2017-09-18 23:54 asciilifeform: is the 'obvious 2x speedup' alluded to earlier. [15:19]
mircea_popescu: stephane gautronneau doesn't wanna be rich, he just wants to hang out with denni, except impersonally. [15:19]
mircea_popescu: branson himself doesn't wanna be rich, as proven by the fact that whenever he almost gets rich, he blows it away. [15:20]
mircea_popescu: so... i guess i'm confused. [15:20]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i don't think this segmentation carries any water. it's not "workingclass or officeclass". it's not country or pop or rap or anything else. it's born before 1990 or not. << Jason Aldean is a "new country" act. Quarantined from both Country and other post-1990. [15:20]
asciilifeform: grr comments typo, fixed, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/cicCN/?raw=true [15:20]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no i know, hence my comments. [15:20]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ftr i had nfi he existed. ( but this is not saying much ) << AHA, Cultural quarantine [15:21]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> apparently pro-trump d00d << And why quarantined. "us vs them" is great marketing [15:22]
asciilifeform: currently puzzled re why a 25% shave in knuthtron iterations, gives 50% shave of runtime [15:22]
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VtdrU/?raw=true << previous ver., for comparison. [15:24]
trinque: is the whole ffa posted anywhere? [15:25]
asciilifeform: trinque: a couplea versions ago, i made a tarball for mod6 , mircea_popescu , et al, that demoed 'factorial' [15:25]
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXJ8uPRqFf0 << for completeness. [15:25]
asciilifeform: trinque: should be in the l0gz somewhere [15:26]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a terrible answer. [15:26]
asciilifeform: i'ma make a new one, 1m [15:26]
mircea_popescu: o, speaking of "women in tech" : after thoroughly wrecking yahoo (eerily reminiscent of carly fiorina's "performance" at meanwhile disappeared compaq/hp), melissa meyer disappeared from view leaving verizon to pick up teh pieces. [15:29]
mircea_popescu: such wow. [15:29]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, anyways. My suspicion is that this attack is along the lines of the Belleville terrorist who shot Congressional baseball practice claiming he was going to fix the tax brackets. Dude prolly was a pantsuit fan and figured anyone who'd go to "new country" festival is trump voter. [15:30]
mircea_popescu: devil himself knows not the mind of man. [15:30]
asciilifeform: trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lHtia/?raw=true << unofficial ffa.ads http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MqgKb/?raw=true << ffa.adb [15:30]
asciilifeform: ( likewise unofficial ) [15:30]
trinque: ah thanks [15:30]
asciilifeform: note that bitnesses MUST be powers of 2 [15:30]
asciilifeform: ( the karatsubatron now demands it ) [15:31]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> o, speaking of "women in tech" : after thoroughly wrecking yahoo (eerily reminiscent of carly fiorina's "performance" at meanwhile disappeared compaq/hp), melissa meyer disappeared from view leaving verizon to pick up teh pieces. << Meyer was paid bonus to fuck off and disappear [15:31]
mircea_popescu: myea [15:31]
asciilifeform: note also that the calling style from early versions will not work, there is no longer a .Z , FZ is not a struct any moar, it is just a word array [15:31]
mircea_popescu: which is i suppose the moral little girls learn out of watchingt the trade press : your future is as a whore will be paid TO LEAVE. [15:32]
BingoBoingo: And Cuban is in unfortunate position of having to keep his fortune by running his bouncy ball team as a business, while everyone else runs theirs as a hobby [15:32]
trinque: asciilifeform: I'll give it a crank on the ppc iron I have laying around I think you requested that at some point [15:33]
asciilifeform: i did! [15:33]
asciilifeform: neato trinque [15:33]
asciilifeform: the main routine of interest is FZ_Mod_Exp . [15:33]
asciilifeform: ( aka rsa op ) [15:34]
asciilifeform: every other thing in there, is subservient to it. [15:34]
asciilifeform: trinque: i left the prev. iteration of FZ_Mod in there, commented out. the current one is there. [15:36]
asciilifeform: mod6, diana_coman , whoever else was tuned in for ffa ^^^ latest . [15:36]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, thank you! [15:39]
asciilifeform: i don't know whether it will make sense to keep this version of knuthdivider, after we have barrett ( where there is still 1 division, but now it is ONE per modexp, and not 8192 of'em ! ) [15:41]
asciilifeform: because it IS more complex and harder to read, than the old. [15:42]
asciilifeform: but i put it here to show that it is possible to cut another 2x time without barrett. [15:42]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, if you don't mind me asking: why don't you chronicle all of those on your blog (where it would be easier to follow including historically at any point)? [15:43]
asciilifeform: ( the 16s incidentally is , e.g., 10s, on intel box ) [15:43]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: formatting code is a bitch [15:44]
asciilifeform: and having ~same discussion twice likewise [15:44]
diana_coman: so upload file + link [15:44]
asciilifeform: and afaik all of the sane people who ever read my www, are already here. [15:44]
diana_coman: uhm, why same discussion twice? [15:44]
diana_coman: can have discussion there in logs or here, reference is still there [15:44]
asciilifeform: i also do not like giving drafts a permanence they do not deserve [15:45]
asciilifeform: yes, folx can get ffa snippets from archive.is/l0gz but it is clear that they are drafts. [15:45]
asciilifeform: the fundamental problem is the one discussed in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 [15:45]
asciilifeform: ( which is about pgp sigs, rather than where to post drafts, but the abstract item is the same -- how to avoid giving false permanence ) [15:46]
asciilifeform: once the thing has a final form, diana_coman , then yes it will go on my www and with commentary and potentially on dead tree even. [15:47]
mircea_popescu: she has a legitimate problem though -- interested parties can't follow the matter in their own time. it's currently push not pull, which is always a bad idea. [15:50]
asciilifeform: dropping code into ben_vulpes's pastetron is imho a sane way to emphasize, to the point of blood, that IT IS NOT A CODE RELEASE [15:50]
mircea_popescu: would be much better to have a working pullable infrastructure for your item, than to say this thing can't be pulled [15:50]
asciilifeform: insistent pullers, who do not follow the l0gz in real time, can go to e.g. https://archive.is/http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lHtia/?raw=true [15:51]
asciilifeform: my main contention is that folks who do not follow the logs, have 0 business with ffa drafts. [15:51]
mircea_popescu: but the correct form for this would be https://archive.is/http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/$VAR$/?raw=true and where do they get that var ? [15:52]
asciilifeform: from log [15:52]
asciilifeform: where else. [15:52]
asciilifeform: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719721 [15:52]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 19:30 asciilifeform: trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lHtia/?raw=true << unofficial ffa.ads http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MqgKb/?raw=true << ffa.adb [15:52]
mircea_popescu: so what is the idea here, if i wish to review the state of this, other than asking you, i could also what ? !#s ffa ? [15:52]
asciilifeform: it's the magically most accurate way ! [15:52]
asciilifeform: better than asciilifeform's meat, in fact, by far [15:52]
asciilifeform: gives you not only the code, but the discussion. [15:53]
asciilifeform: the entire context. [15:53]
asciilifeform: ( not only the discussion it led to, but that led ~to~ it ) [15:53]
mircea_popescu: at this rate we'll end up with metasyntactic. something like introduce @concept as a notation for concepts so they get indexed. [15:56]
asciilifeform: imho log supplies all of the 'pull' anybody ought to want. [15:56]
mircea_popescu: say @ffa instead of simply ffa so ppl can !#s "@ffa" and not get junk [15:56]
asciilifeform: i try to pick names such as will not lead to junk. [15:56]
mircea_popescu: how long can this last. [15:56]
asciilifeform: ( are there any extraneous ffa's ? in the log ) [15:56]
asciilifeform: 4evah [15:56]
mircea_popescu: what if youi say ffa-tronic ? [15:57]
asciilifeform: that still greps correctly [15:57]
mircea_popescu: searching for "@ffa" delivers @ffa-tronic, searching for ffa does not. [15:57]
asciilifeform: sure it does [15:57]
asciilifeform: ( and if it doesn't, then the search is not-equivalent-to-grep, aka BROKEN ) [15:57]
diana_coman: eh, try searching for.. "p" [15:58]
asciilifeform: better example. [15:58]
asciilifeform: eventually we're prolly doomed to do what mircea_popescu described. [15:58]
asciilifeform: ( if live long enough ) [15:58]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=usg << not so. usg-tronic fails to appear. [15:58]
mircea_popescu: and wtf, really, !#s p ? [15:58]
asciilifeform: he has a point. [15:58]
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22usg%22 [15:58]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes, but if you do "ffa" you will get eg hoffa [15:59]
ben_vulpes: phf's log search has a bifurcative behavior on the quotes [15:59]
asciilifeform: " ffa" [15:59]
ben_vulpes: heh [15:59]
mircea_popescu: so then make space the @ ? this is stupid, space is alreadfy semantically loaded. [15:59]
asciilifeform: but yeah i agree, this is orcism, and @ or the like is the Right Thing [15:59]
mircea_popescu: anyway, open for discussion, at least a while yet. [16:00]
trinque: twitter kids and their hashtags aren't "wrong" so much as that they have nothing at all to say. [16:00]
mircea_popescu: but it can'tself-standardize so everyone ends up with his own metasyntactic system [16:00]
trinque: alternatively could be said that the log viewers ought to implement an annotation layer above the text [16:01]
asciilifeform: trinque: log viewer naturally oughta support it. but without a marker, it cannot work [16:02]
asciilifeform: i'm satisfied that plain search dun cut it. [16:02]
mircea_popescu: trinque amusingly hanbot was working on something in this vein [16:02]
mircea_popescu: but turn it as you will, auctorial adnotation is very hard to beat. [16:03]
trinque: asciilifeform: can totally work as a separate datastructure from logs, or in-band. [16:03]
mircea_popescu: !!balance [16:03]
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/X0cXK/?raw=true [16:03]
asciilifeform: trinque: why would you want to annotate out of band ?!! [16:04]
trinque: wtf is hypertext exactly? [16:05]
asciilifeform: the raw text is the only thing all logtrons ( and viewers elsewhere ) automatically get in sync [16:05]
asciilifeform: it and only it, is the canonical material. [16:05]
trinque: it's in no way self-evident that this MUST BE IN LOGS [16:05]
trinque: how are you going to go back and annotate once a conversation diverges into an interesting topic [16:06]
asciilifeform: if it dun belong in the logs, it possibly dun belong anywhere [16:06]
trinque: or what of the ancient logs [16:06]
asciilifeform: trinque: 1 possibility is to make annotation 'contagious', sorta like phf's back-arrows [16:06]
asciilifeform: say i want to 'infect' the line http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719816 , now if i include @ffa it will apply likewise to it. [16:07]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 20:06 trinque: or what of the ancient logs [16:07]
trinque: was a great idea but now you've buggered it up! [16:07]
trinque: lol, nah, that does make sense. [16:07]
asciilifeform: i'm not currently sold that it is great idea. but there might not be a better one. [16:08]
asciilifeform: 'in-house' annotations that will fall off the net if a particular logviewtron dies, are imho the Wrong Thing. [16:08]
asciilifeform: let there be 1 text. [16:09]
trinque: possibly the thing is a standard log reference format, path part of the URL. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02?l=1719816&re=logging [16:11]
trinque: then it's both in the logs, and the logger can do something interesting with it, if it can. [16:12]
asciilifeform: imho it is much easier on human eye to say, e.g., @ffa [16:12]
asciilifeform: esp. if i want to mention >1 tag [16:12]
asciilifeform: ( how many log urls can you even fit in a line of log.. ) [16:12]
mircea_popescu: yeah, demanding anchors for our irc clients is tempting (i know many times i want to give my words as trilema refs directly, like say above cuban), but i suspect not so smart. [16:25]
mircea_popescu: destroys the whole flow of typed text. [16:25]
asciilifeform: the @ thing is imho the Right Thing tho [16:26]
asciilifeform: it dun have much of a practical cost [16:26]
mircea_popescu: are we actually using @ ? [16:26]
mircea_popescu: !#s "@" [16:26]
a111: 344559 results for "\"@\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%40%22 [16:26]
mircea_popescu: holy hell. [16:26]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1718993 << turns out noobs tend to paste it in [16:27]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 03:31 elaineo: @mircea_popescu having never worked in finance, i suppose i'll take your word for it, for now [16:27]
asciilifeform: !#s "%" [16:27]
a111: 17337 results for "\"%\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%25%22 [16:27]
mircea_popescu: !#s "&" [16:27]
a111: 8790 results for "\"&\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%26%22 [16:27]
asciilifeform: !#s "^" [16:27]
a111: 10028 results for "\"^\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%5E%22 [16:27]
mircea_popescu: !#s "$" [16:27]
a111: 14824 results for "\"$\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22$%22 [16:27]
mircea_popescu: & ? [16:27]
davout: ç [16:27]
mircea_popescu: though that means fucking and. [16:27]
asciilifeform: $ is nogood , already used in ancient search cmd [16:27]
mircea_popescu: i) ? [16:27]
asciilifeform: davout: if ç then just as well ы [16:28]
mircea_popescu: in fact, do we want it unterminated ? [16:28]
davout: § [16:28]
mircea_popescu: davout something i can type plox ty. [16:28]
asciilifeform: ^ [16:28]
asciilifeform: ( and oh hey another one we've already usedup ) [16:28]
mircea_popescu: !#s "<" [16:28]
a111: 69146 results for "\"<\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%3C%22 [16:28]
asciilifeform: !#s "_" [16:29]
a111: 103700 results for "\"_\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22_%22 [16:29]
asciilifeform: !#s "`" [16:29]
a111: 7916 results for "\"`\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%60%22 [16:29]
davout: this is going to end up in #trilema reinventing the semantic web [16:29]
mircea_popescu: seems that way dunnit. [16:29]
asciilifeform: oh hey backtick lookin' to be the champ [16:29]
asciilifeform: ( in least-falsehits ) [16:29]
mircea_popescu: so i would say `ffa` ? or `ffa ? [16:29]
asciilifeform: `ffa`. [16:29]
mircea_popescu: so then is `ffa`-tronic or `ffa-tronic` ? [16:29]
asciilifeform: imho ideally the latter. [16:30]
mircea_popescu: but the former is strictly correct [16:30]
mircea_popescu: what do we do to people who spam it ? and most importantly, how ? [16:30]
asciilifeform: failing to use correct syntax is own punishment -- you later have to sit like asciilifeform and answer q's re old threads that instead machine could've been answering [16:31]
mircea_popescu: what happens if rando starts loading up "your" concept with bs ? [16:31]
asciilifeform: what voicetron is for, neh [16:31]
mircea_popescu: i suppose the from:x is directly suited for this [16:31]
asciilifeform: and yes. [16:31]
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, phf can i have notfrom:x as well ? [16:32]
asciilifeform: ^^^ [16:32]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aascii+from%3Amircea+hurr << also. [16:32]
asciilifeform: re the separators, imho only whole alpha words oughta be tags [16:33]
mircea_popescu: so then `ffa`-tronic not `ffa-tronic` [16:33]
asciilifeform: so `ffa-tronic resolves to ffa [16:33]
asciilifeform: and so does `ffa , `ffa-ism [16:33]
asciilifeform: imho modifier does not belong in a tag. [16:34]
asciilifeform: ( that road leads to livejournal. ) [16:34]
asciilifeform: so proposed formula is, ` initiates, any non- A-Za-z character, breaks , a tag. [16:36]
asciilifeform: incl. space. [16:36]
mircea_popescu: this is convenient seeing how not having to terminate is a + imo [16:36]
asciilifeform: ( latin only, also. i can live with latinized orcisms on occasion ) [16:36]
mircea_popescu: but... `cr8 is cr or cr8 ? [16:36]
asciilifeform: it'd be cr. [16:37]
asciilifeform: make a case for needing 8 in a tag ? [16:37]
* asciilifeform can think of a few [16:37]
mircea_popescu: `gossipdv3 [16:37]
asciilifeform: x86. [16:37]
asciilifeform: aite, A-Za-z0-9 [16:37]
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with having both `stalin and `cтaлин if anyone can be arsed with that. [16:39]
mircea_popescu: `ჯუღაშვილი lol [16:39]
diana_coman: !#s "|" [17:00]
a111: 20019 results for "\"|\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%7C%22 [17:00]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nah that's bash semantically meaningful [17:01]
diana_coman: myeah and search shows it basically as separator [17:01]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719882 << what's wrong with? [18:42]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 20:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aascii+from%3Amircea+hurr << also. [18:42]
phf: also can definitely add notfrom: i almost think it should be there already as exclude or filter or somesuch [18:44]
BingoBoingo: https://identitydixie.com/2017/10/02/the-kangs-geld-and-the-coming-reckoning/ [19:11]
cruciform: !~later tell danielpbarron FGs arrived - tyvm! [19:23]
jhvh1: cruciform: The operation succeeded. [19:23]
ag3nt_zer0: hello trilema [19:39]
ag3nt_zer0: following the guide for trb node creation, in making sure i have correct packages and binaries, seems everything is fine but "sha512sum" read package lists, built dep. tree, read state info, and then says: E: Unable to locate package sha512sum - is this going to create problems and if so how might i fix? [19:44]
shinohai: ag3nt_zer0: what 'nix are you using? [19:47]
ag3nt_zer0: ubuntu 14.04 [19:47]
ag3nt_zer0: sup shinohai :) [19:48]
shinohai: That sgould be included in the core-utils package [19:48]
shinohai: nm here just chillin, you? [19:48]
shinohai: (So i am guessing an `apt-get install core-utils` should hook you up.) [19:49]
ag3nt_zer0: yeah hmmm as i went through the required stuff listed on trb node setup page, all of them said "______ is already the newest version"... all except the sha512sum [19:49]
ag3nt_zer0: ok will try that [19:49]
shinohai: General rule is when getting a "E: Unable to locate package" msg in Ubuntu/Deb is to do an apt-cache search for said package. [19:51]
ag3nt_zer0: same man... been workin a bunch thats about it [19:51]
ag3nt_zer0: apt-cache search got it! ty [19:51]
ag3nt_zer0: looking at this vegas shit... [19:58]
ag3nt_zer0: nationalist gun grab? [19:58]
mod6: they'll prolly try [20:00]
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6, diana_coman , whoever else was tuned in for ffa ^^^ latest . << got it, thanks! [20:10]
ag3nt_zer0: shinohai strange.. "apt-get install core-utils" yields same "E: unable to locate package" [20:21]
mod6: try 'coreutils' [20:25]
mod6: you can also do things like: `apt-cache search yourstringhere` [20:26]
* hanbot goes abroad for a week, neglects yahoo inbox (srsly), comes back to knee-deep ethereum spam (incloods both phishing and meta-phishing!) [20:38]
lobbes: heh meta-phishing. "Learn to spot phishing attempts. Click here for 10 great examples!1!" [20:46]
lobbes: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.00100800 http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt [20:47]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/M5dKx/?raw=true [20:47]
lobbes: !!v 7BDD86FD1E526E11FAD264A440EA212CE3333034AF41544984D4AC63819F4B31 [20:47]
deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.00100800 << http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt [20:47]
lobbes: sweet! [20:47]
asciilifeform: meanwhile in ddosistan, https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2017/09/25/significant-pricing-updates-are-coming-soon << lulzy 'ugh, that thing for which we were famous ? can't do no moar, and hey wouldja like to pay 5x more for less' [21:57]
asciilifeform: '“Who should have to pay for protection from DDOS attacks?” is a trick question. No one should. Period. Because DDOS attacks shouldn’t happen. They definitely shouldn’t be several orders of magnitude easier and cheaper to launch than they are to defend against. But “should” and “is” are miles apart, and we have to take the world as it is, not as it should be. So who does have to pay for protection from DDOS attacks? E [21:59]
asciilifeform: veryone.' [21:59]
asciilifeform: though on upside they take btc nao... [22:03]
asciilifeform: ( recall , mircea_popescu , the angry answer from d00d, 'we will never', etc. ? ) [22:03]
asciilifeform: ( lol stike the nooseitem re their btc: -- is circa 2015. ) [22:13]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << lol didja also neglect the scorpion pit and the nuke waste drums ? [22:15]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 00:38 hanbot goes abroad for a week, neglects yahoo inbox (srsly), comes back to knee-deep ethereum spam (incloods both phishing and meta-phishing!) [22:15]
asciilifeform: why HAVE a yahoo acct ?!! [22:16]
asciilifeform: what pleasures am i missing in one..? [22:16]
mircea_popescu: http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt << is this supposed to be 404 trinque ? [22:28]
mircea_popescu: phf that it only gives from the later parameter [22:28]
mircea_popescu: omfg it doesn't ?! just sheer concidence ? [22:29]
* mircea_popescu awed. [22:29]
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717788 << new IP [22:29]
a111: Logged on 2017-09-27 06:21 trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/akPqa/?raw=true << The IP address for deedbot.org and wot.deedbot.org shall be 45.32.123.240 from block 487154 until further notice. [22:29]
mircea_popescu: oh. sorry. [22:29]
trinque: m[ [22:29]
trinque: *np [22:29]
mod6: trinque: do i need to change the one listed here then? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html [22:30]
trinque: nope, node remains at that IP. [22:31]
mod6: ah, ok thx. [22:31]
mircea_popescu: !!received-invoices [22:31]
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A1H86/?raw=true [22:31]
mircea_popescu: !!pay-invoice lobbes 1 [22:34]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZCreA/?raw=true [22:34]
mircea_popescu: !!v 5DAAA44B71955F14EB7E3934961B02394EC02C170B56BF1CDD23EE972D996F11 [22:34]
deedbot: mircea_popescu paid lobbes invoice 1 [22:34]
mircea_popescu: !!balance [22:34]
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gDtct/?raw=true [22:34]
mircea_popescu: !!received-invoices [22:35]
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9cvN1/?raw=true [22:35]
mircea_popescu: trinque add pipe between "cancelled at" and "rejected at" fields when nil ? [22:37]
mircea_popescu: lobbes didja get it ? [22:38]
trinque: formatting goof in there? I'll take a look [22:38]
mircea_popescu: just omits a pipe separating the last two nils [22:38]
trinque: sure, will fix [22:39]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << pretty sure yahoo mail actually sells inbox access to spammers, message keywords and all. [22:43]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 00:38 hanbot goes abroad for a week, neglects yahoo inbox (srsly), comes back to knee-deep ethereum spam (incloods both phishing and meta-phishing!) [22:43]
mircea_popescu: iirc this was even broken on ro trilema at some ancient point, to usual chorus of "but what proof do you have this proof you have is proofing" and other theguardianisms. [22:43]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719939 << pretty much 100% of present day "us tech" "industree" etc is built on bait and switch. [22:45]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 01:57 asciilifeform: meanwhile in ddosistan, https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2017/09/25/significant-pricing-updates-are-coming-soon << lulzy 'ugh, that thing for which we were famous ? can't do no moar, and hey wouldja like to pay 5x more for less' [22:45]
mircea_popescu: that said, 50 cents a day is pretty lulz. [22:46]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wtf is a RAUS anyway ? [22:47]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719943 << scarce consolation, so he yielded on btc so as to not yield on "must be in trilema" anyway ? [22:49]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:03 asciilifeform: ( recall , mircea_popescu , the angry answer from d00d, 'we will never', etc. ? ) [22:49]
mircea_popescu: "Since 2006, we’ve used the services of a third-party company to offer domain registration. That worked out really well for many years. Then, in 2014, that company was acquired by another, much larger, company. Its new parent owns a large number of other hosting companies that compete directly with us." <<< heh. i suspect it's exactly http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-regist [22:57]
mircea_popescu: rar/ [22:57]
mircea_popescu: actually, i'm pretty sure it is. [22:57]
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719945 << felt a lot more like I was *in* the nuke waste drum! panama sux ftr, no idea why anyone outside of maaaaybe overspecialized ornithologists profess to like it. anyway, i have a yahoo account so other people don't have to. zero endorsements intended. [22:59]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << lol didja also neglect the scorpion pit and the nuke waste drums ? [22:59]
asciilifeform: hanbot: i've nfi why anybody hasto. [23:01]
* trinque ran his own postfix shitstack for a while, no point [23:01]
asciilifeform: and pama suxx, though i've only set foot into/out of plane there, it has humidity like dc, and presumably year round [23:01]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you have any idea what yahoo mail penetration is among 3rd world whores ? [23:01]
asciilifeform: trinque: believe or not, i still run one, i have eternal and ancient evils relying on it [23:01]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nfi but ain't it an emailtron, can't other types speak with it..? [23:02]
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha [23:02]
asciilifeform: ...or is it an aolism [23:02]
mircea_popescu: what are you, like from the future ? [23:02]
asciilifeform: lol aolism then [23:02]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719976 << google's ~entire businessmodel neh [23:03]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << pretty sure yahoo mail actually sells inbox access to spammers, message keywords and all. [23:03]
mircea_popescu: email interoperation is from a time in the 2020s as they appeared to come in 1980s. [23:03]
asciilifeform: ( back when it has 'business model' other than simple 'tbtf' usgonics ) [23:03]
mircea_popescu: not as they actually came. [23:03]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719982 << i have nfi what is a raus, hearing of it for 1st time [23:03]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wtf is a RAUS anyway ? [23:03]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly, having read this thing you linked i actually come to like the guy, whoever he is. why the fuck isn't he in the wot ? dja have a contact ? [23:04]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719979 << gotta appreciate this peculiar fact : asciilifeform used nfs co. service since 2007. not misprint : a decade sharp as of a few mo. ago. with ZERO MAINTENANCE and ZERO hassle and ~zero downtime and laughed at GB/s ddoses and do i have to go on ? [23:05]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719939 << pretty much 100% of present day "us tech" "industree" etc is built on bait and switch. [23:05]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc you wrote to him, he said something like 'eh who are you, snoar' [23:05]
mircea_popescu: schmuck. [23:05]
asciilifeform: i dun think i've ever used any subscription-anything where i was as satisfied was with nfsco. [23:05]
mircea_popescu: recall that other turdhead, what was his name, "oh i r big deal, who are you" in 2012 or when was it, then in 2014 "oh, please talk to me ?" [23:05]
asciilifeform: not telco, not fucking magazines, nothing. [23:06]
asciilifeform: when it finally rots to unusability -- and it will -- it will be an epic sad to asciilifeform . [23:06]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope? [23:06]
mircea_popescu: eh let's fish it out [23:06]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/ [23:08]
asciilifeform: where was the 'talk to me' piece [23:09]
asciilifeform: i dun remember d00d repenting [23:09]
mircea_popescu: there's a 2012 and a 2013 installment. [23:10]
mircea_popescu: and no, idiots don't repent, that's part of being an idiot. [23:10]
mircea_popescu: heck, max keiser still thinks he's "got insights" neh ? and whatever, "bitcoin cash is still around" [23:11]
asciilifeform: so what exactly in 2014 [23:11]
asciilifeform: afaik all of these folx are happy to this day on their alt-planets [23:12]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Date: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:09 AM [snipped idiocy] someone is paying me to look at your exchange. Can you [snipped idiocy] " [23:12]
asciilifeform: ohey lol [23:12]
asciilifeform: was this in the log? [23:12]
mircea_popescu: and yeah, totally, i'm sure they're happy. an sept 2 investment in bch would have brought... o look, under 0.095 now!... what is this, 60% loss ? [23:13]
asciilifeform: oh nm it was in linked trilema [23:13]
mircea_popescu: except 100% cuz leveraged, ofcouars ? [23:13]
asciilifeform: ha shitanic finally sinking innit. [23:14]
mircea_popescu: o, no. it's... happy [23:14]
mircea_popescu: sinking into happiness heh. [23:14]
asciilifeform: ain't as if the chumpatron ops are losing own money [23:15]
mircea_popescu: who's to know. [23:15]
mircea_popescu: but yes, in principle a chumpatron op shouldn't be losing money, seeing how they translate into reality an ideal good : the disenfranchising of idiots. [23:16]
asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719958 << plox to remove the deceased dulap, 46.166.165.30 . and also note that 108.31.170.49 ( zoolag ) is at 382k and will remain useless as a public node for some weeks. [23:20]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:30 mod6: trinque: do i need to change the one listed here then? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html [23:20]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [23:20]
mod6: want me to take them both off the list then? [23:22]
asciilifeform: prolly best. [23:23]
mod6: Okay, update me when either or both are back in action. [23:23]
mircea_popescu: eh isn't that exaggerate ? it's a node, what. keep adjusting weekly ? [23:23]
asciilifeform: ( a 382k node will do no one any good, it spends 95%+ of time blackholed ) [23:23]
asciilifeform: it's almost exactly same as a dead box. [23:23]
mircea_popescu: mk. [23:23]
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is, for the time being, nodeless. [23:24]
mod6: Done. [23:24]
asciilifeform: ( remember, an unsynced trb node rejects ~ALL tx ) [23:25]
* asciilifeform bbl [23:27]
mircea_popescu: fwiw, jdw = jeff wheelhouse = https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2353366181/bq71cdufsrasc0sqxk8k_400x400.png [23:44]
mircea_popescu: pretty entertaining shit, too. "Just spent an hour+ listening to @NETGEAR ProSafe support condescendingly claim a feature w/ an entire chapter in the manual doesn't exist. Finally made them download manual off their own site. "Huh. We'll try to get somebody who's heard of this to call you back… eventually." or, "Just had @MariaDB decline to give me a quote for @nfsn. They don’t deal with “staff” & say I’m too busy [23:49]
mircea_popescu: & hard to reach to be in management. Also, their support offerings are so complex they’re “afraid” of “a great deal of misinterpretation” if they write them down." [23:49]
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, dood's possibly been around for longer than the internets. [23:59]
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