Forum logs for 01 Oct 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
elaineo: they don't need to teach their kids anything. systematically discern the essential from the unimportant. the whole master/slavegirl making silence thing [00:00]
BingoBoingo: Capitalism is simple. Just focus on doing the next right thing and making the world a better place, for you. [00:00]
mircea_popescu: elaineo this works well for adults. kids need to be fed. [00:01]
mircea_popescu: otherwise, indian continent wolves adopting indian kids into their litters make excellent parents. [00:01]
BingoBoingo: Excellent in comparison to the Bhararas [00:02]
elaineo: never had to deal with kids. if the indian wolf-kids are happy, well... [00:02]
mircea_popescu: if they're not happy, they'll bark their unhappiness to the stars above. [00:02]
BingoBoingo: !!up TomServo [00:03]
deedbot: TomServo voiced for 30 minutes. [00:03]
TomServo: Greetings BingoBoingo [00:03]
BingoBoingo: Likewise [00:03]
mircea_popescu: "If pet food companies used the same business model as startups: Jim creates a dog food factory and gives away dog food for free. 450 million dogs line up for free dog food. Purina Dog Chow understands that non-paying dog food consumers are currency, and buys Jim’s factory for $42 per dog." << in other historical elaineo lulz. [00:06]
elaineo: those were the numbers from Facebook's acquisition of Whatsapp [00:07]
mircea_popescu: aha. [00:07]
mircea_popescu: i recall. was well received here too. somehow it's not money laudnering when the right idiots do it. [00:07]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in historical elaineo terrible, "Uber is a great example of a hack: Taxicab licensing rules are annoying and only serve to make a few people’s lives better (the taxi medallion owners) while making many people’s lives worse. Waze allows drivers to report speed traps and police checkpoints because we all know that CHP officers only issue tickets to fill their quotas. Airbnb shirks rental and zoning regulations, an [00:09]
mircea_popescu: d the world is arguably a better place for it." [00:09]
mircea_popescu: dja think any of that is defensible ? [00:09]
elaineo: the first two, yes. airbnb, no. [00:10]
mircea_popescu: let's take the first one. why would $random city in $national country give up its taxi transportation system to the usg ? [00:11]
elaineo: to ensure equal service to underserved minorities [00:12]
mircea_popescu: so that self-important schmucks in washington can spy on foreign nationals daily, and now and again "sanction" foreign government with taxi strike generated in the usual manner ? [00:12]
mircea_popescu: but what actually happens is that the blue state will tryt to get people who didn't vote for the pantsuited hilarity unable to use cabs. [00:12]
mircea_popescu: in actual point of practice. no "underserved minority" is getting into the recent suv crossover. [00:13]
elaineo: hold up - you are equating Uber with USG? [00:13]
mircea_popescu: yes.\ [00:13]
mircea_popescu: all "us registered corporations" are simply agencies of the usg. [00:13]
mircea_popescu: "regulatory compliance" it's called in-universe. but in practice, they're exactly like the old time soviet govt entreprises. [00:13]
elaineo: so there's no difference between us registered corporations and public transportation, within the US [00:14]
mircea_popescu: there is, because publkic transport is mostly state, whereas uber is federal. [00:14]
elaineo: Uber is not winning in foreign countries -- it already retreated from China & russia [00:14]
mircea_popescu: and because there's specific laws protecting public interest from a time before the bush power grabs [00:14]
mircea_popescu: it's not winning anywhere. the whole thing is a more-successful-than-usual spam&fraud campaign by graham and friends. [00:15]
mircea_popescu: but it's entirely like groupon say. [00:15]
elaineo: okay, i concede that uber, in its current state, is an agency of the usg and thus worse than state-owned public transport [00:15]
elaineo: uber, in an earlier state, was localized and legitimately a private corp [00:16]
mircea_popescu: well, i'ma opt out of arguing waze without prejudice, because while it's basically an antieconomic game of masturbation, i'm too lazy to argue it. [00:16]
elaineo: ok. it's part of Google's surveillance arm now anyway [00:16]
mircea_popescu: worthless anyway, anyway. [00:17]
elaineo: airbnb is shit. it incentivized short-term rental housing at the loss of long-term rentals [00:18]
elaineo: and thus exacerbated the housing crisis. [00:19]
mircea_popescu: many ways to see how shitty it is. seriously, i want to change my fuckable 3years leases neighbour for a horde of unwashed 20something 2-week leasors ? [00:19]
mircea_popescu: holy shit no. [00:19]
mircea_popescu: last fucking thing i want is to have to argue at idiots about music being too loud each week and actually be confronted with literall different idiots with identical idiocy in them [00:19]
elaineo: yeah, that too [00:19]
mircea_popescu: for all the gargle, there's ~nothing came out of marc a & paul g's up and coming rap label firms. [00:20]
elaineo: as a resident of the SF bay area, i appreciate all the VC-subsidized free shit [00:20]
mircea_popescu: you're welcome, but do you happen to know what's the worst thing that can happen to a gifted woman early on in her life ? [00:21]
elaineo: dunno. kids? [00:23]
mircea_popescu: a bad source of revenue. [00:23]
mircea_popescu: the original discussed "promising companies", but there's really no difference -- women are great company. [00:23]
elaineo: sure, that makes sense [00:24]
mod6: !~later tell jurov Sent SoBA email to btc-dev list, didn't bounce, maybe stuck in queue? Plz to take a look and see if it is just stuck. Thanks! [00:24]
jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded. [00:24]
mircea_popescu: elaineo free shit is terrible, which is why wanna-be pimps hang around highschools trying to paw off "free shit" to the better looking 16yos. [00:25]
elaineo: terrible in the sense of, "the first hit is free"? [00:25]
mircea_popescu: quite. [00:26]
mircea_popescu: also why aren't your footnotes clickable ? like eg in https://elaineou.com/2014/11/11/silicon-valley-is-the-new-fannie-mae/ i wanna click on that 1. [00:26]
mircea_popescu: i won't even ask what do you think makes me gather the dork is having a great time from that pic. [00:26]
elaineo: clickable-footnotes didn't occur to me until later on. even then, i'm kinda lazy. [00:27]
mircea_popescu: ah. also, tooltipping footnotes are good. [00:27]
elaineo: oh, right, i do like that about trilema [00:27]
mircea_popescu: hey, i didn't realise azn immigrants are even allowed to be lazy [00:28]
elaineo: we are, once we've left our parents' homes [00:28]
mircea_popescu: ah. yea, makes sense. [00:29]
elaineo: your slavegirls become a basketcase the moment you turn them loose [00:29]
mircea_popescu: nah. [00:29]
mircea_popescu: why, do 2nd gen azns ? [00:29]
elaineo: yes, esp if they have parents who are doing well [00:31]
mircea_popescu: hm. [00:31]
elaineo: http://trilema.com/2015/on-parenting/ [00:31]
mircea_popescu: well, truth be told, there's no official "turning loose" as such. girls can leave if they wanna, some do now and again, but it's not that common. [00:31]
mircea_popescu: elaineo that's an tlp original. [00:32]
elaineo: aren't all the posts original? [00:32]
mircea_popescu: no, some are rewrites of other people's work, like say the disgrace series, or you know, http://trilema.com/2015/stop-all-the-clocks-again/ or http://trilema.com/2013/a-story-of-a-boy-and-a-tree/ [00:33]
mircea_popescu: others are adnotations, like the recent rothbard series for instance. [00:34]
mircea_popescu: this one's of that latter kind. the footnotes are mine, but the text is originally published by ballas over at thelastpsychiatrist.com linked there in the first line. [00:34]
elaineo: oh. [00:36]
elaineo: i have trouble following the, ehm, dialogue posts. eg http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/ [00:37]
mircea_popescu: not very good dialogue ? [00:38]
elaineo: i have trouble relating to the context [00:38]
mircea_popescu: one problem with trilema is that some articles (esp the lifestyle sort, for isntance) end up with a heavy load of private jokes. these aren't materia obscura a la http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-30-sep-2017#2344267 but actual "0 chances someone i'm not fucking gets this". [00:39]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 03:49 elaineo: was anyone expected to understand that reference aside from yourself? [00:39]
elaineo: yeah, i assumed that was the case [00:40]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the context is the earlier rewrite of luminous, the sf story. you know it ? [00:40]
elaineo: i do not [00:40]
mircea_popescu: ah. well, article is http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/ and original kindly provided by asciilifeform is http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wpf7J/?raw=true [00:41]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717656 << that's where we argue about it. [00:41]
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 16:07 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wpf7J/?raw=true << 313333337w4r3z [00:41]
mircea_popescu: "I suppose I could pull up my Bloomberg terminal if I wanted to do some research before making an investment decision, but I feel like that’s not in the spirit of this app." << A-HA! caught you elaineo ! [01:16]
mircea_popescu: https://elaineou.com/2014/12/03/amazon-the-worlds-biggest-startup/ << in historical lulz. kinda hard to believe they came up with that shit. [01:22]
jurov: mod6: fixed [04:41]
mod6: jurov: thanks! [11:43]
mod6: Thanks for posting the Treasury statement as well. [11:44]
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen of TMSR~: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-October/000274.html [11:44]
diana_coman: !!key asciilifeform [12:13]
diana_coman: uhm, something wrong with deedbot re keys? [12:14]
diana_coman: trinque ^ [12:18]
trinque: I'll take a look [12:22]
trinque: I had to migrate everything to a new box, possible there are things that still need a poke. [12:22]
trinque: datacenter got in my way when I was in the midst of setting up infrastructure for: [12:23]
trinque: !!balance [12:23]
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uKev3/?raw=true [12:23]
trinque: which incidentally is now out I'll write it up shortly [12:23]
diana_coman: kk, no rush [12:29]
asciilifeform: ohai diana_coman [12:31]
trinque: site generator ran as the wrong user, barfed out empty keyfiles [12:31]
diana_coman: hi asciilifeform [12:31]
trinque: shall be remedied shortly. [12:31]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there's a copy at http://loper-os.org/pgp.asc [12:32]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: and in your trb wot dir likewise. [12:32]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, heh, thanks ofc I have the keys otherwise - I was just getting trb on a new box and getting the keys for it via deedbot seemed most straightforward [12:33]
diana_coman: anyways, it can wait until trinque fixes it, not a big thing [12:33]
asciilifeform: and, for completeness, of course copy at... http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7 [12:34]
asciilifeform: ( dulap -- believe or not -- is still up... ) [12:34]
diana_coman: cool [12:35]
trinque: btw, anyone needing to run a deed today, just PM it to me. I'll be working on moving that to the new box this afternoon. [12:42]
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/27/lessons-from-hurricane-maria-and-puerto-rico/ << Bingo Blog - Lessons From Hurricane Maria And Puerto Rico [12:53]
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/27/trump-teaches-gop-senators-importance-of-selling-by-example-learns-limits-of-his-brand/ << Bingo Blog - Trump Teaches GOP Senators Importance Of Selling By Example, Learns Limits Of His Brand [12:53]
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/29/lesser-than-north-korea-joins-china-in-banning-ico-fad-ether-prices-drop-with-news/ << Bingo Blog - Lesser Than North Korea Joins China In Banning ICO Fad: Ether Prices Drop With News [12:53]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/ << Trilema - Damele, dameleee [12:53]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/now-you-understand-how-she-feels/ << Trilema - Now you understand how she feels. [12:54]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-masters-textbook-why-do-girls-seek-you-out/ << Trilema - The Master's Textbook - Why do girls seek you out ? [12:54]
trinque: ^ for some curious reason this thing's behaving strangely dropped on a bsd [12:54]
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/09/29/trying-so-hard-to-be-soviet-and-failing/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Trying so hard to be Soviet, and failing. [12:56]
davout: qntra is down just because it lacks a home? [13:52]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719139 << o hey! [14:06]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 16:23 trinque: which incidentally is now out I'll write it up shortly [14:06]
mod6: ya, very cool trinque [14:07]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the titty ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/dc870678a61907d4f2b4f17250d29eb5/tumblr_nsfzwbHkVt1s2wsdzo1_400.gif [14:08]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719150 << lulziest shit of all time. [14:09]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 16:34 asciilifeform: ( dulap -- believe or not -- is still up... ) [14:09]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719161 << yes. so would be phuctor, but in its strange wisdom teh empire decided to donate the hosting [14:10]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 17:52 davout: qntra is down just because it lacks a home? [14:10]
asciilifeform: now to be fair i have nfi what the billing cycle was, even [14:10]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's put it this way, i noticed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714183 because i was going to pay them. [14:10]
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 03:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz asciilifeform : phuctor server raid array failing, when'd you like the item restarted ? [14:10]
asciilifeform: that was my guess [14:11]
asciilifeform: there are some pretty demented folx in fiatoladom : at one time, some years ago, asciilifeform got year+ of phree service, for no reason, from a konsoomer 'last mile' isp [14:11]
mircea_popescu: hey, i know a certain petro plant that got free gas for about 8 months. [14:12]
asciilifeform: ukrs have been getting phreeeeee gas since 2014 or wat. [14:12]
asciilifeform: so it isn't unheard of. [14:12]
mircea_popescu: matter was still being litigated a decade afterwards. [14:12]
asciilifeform: nao i'm curious - what was to litigate ? 'we sent you phreestuff for 8mo, now pay' 'buzz off' 'we sue' ? [14:13]
mircea_popescu: or to put it in its canonical form, http://trilema.com/2013/our-emperor-deliver-us/#selection-39.331-39.449 [14:13]
mircea_popescu: "heavily counseled parties to mega-mergers do not breach merger agreements out of inadvertence, negligence, or mistake." [14:14]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something like that. [14:14]
asciilifeform: nuts. [14:14]
mircea_popescu: hey, "capitalism", as understood and implemented by nitwits who can't answer questions. [14:15]
mircea_popescu: and in other "we used to be cool"s, http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/3/4/15/enhanced-buzz-14488-1299271596-9.jpg [16:42]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm currently looking at eulora rsa and I'm a bit foggy (I know and followed the bits posted in the logs but it's a long trail): what is available/ready to use atm? [16:46]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ffa arithmetic stack is theoretically available. however until i have barrett reduction going, it's a ~30 second modular exponentiation ( i.e. per rsa op ) [16:54]
asciilifeform: i.e. per 4096-padding -bit payload [16:55]
asciilifeform: and a ~week -long keygen. [16:55]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716110 << latest, iirc, thread [16:57]
a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 16:25 asciilifeform: in other noose, ACHTUNG, panzers, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/BAjEK/?raw=true << 27.2 sec (4096b modexp) [16:57]
mircea_popescu: not actually usable for eulora as such, is it. [16:57]
asciilifeform: certainly not as-is, no [16:57]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is a barrettian ( theoretically 1s/4096 ) rsatron, usable ? [16:58]
asciilifeform: that's still quite slow vs. heathen rsa. [16:58]
mircea_popescu: well, players are problematic. they might download the game and wait for a few hours to get a key going. then again they might not. nobody's waiting for a week tho, i don't expect. [16:59]
asciilifeform: this is a fundamental headache, innit. 'wanna use actual rsa, or that thing you've been fraudulently introduced to as rsa, that leaks key, but runs fast' [16:59]
mircea_popescu: in any case the problem is that i'll have to design some kind of extender, can't do pure rsa throughout because of the sheer load. there's multiple messages/sec [16:59]
asciilifeform: fwiw it parallelizes. [17:00]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in any case the implementation will be isolated, so that one can swap his preferred item in. [17:00]
* asciilifeform does not know ~anything about how eulora goes together, cannot comment in detail [17:00]
mircea_popescu: but basically, the only practical approach here is to actually import the gpg implementation, warts and all, but modularily, and see later maybe it can be swapped out. [17:01]
asciilifeform: imho using a nonfixedtime rsatron in realtime, is worse than not using any crypto at all [17:01]
asciilifeform: you will leak key. [17:01]
mircea_popescu: since the client is intended to dissolve into competing community-driven implementations anyway, i don't expect to even be involved in weighing that maybe. [17:01]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess we'll be having this problem demonstrated in practice. what can i do ? [17:02]
asciilifeform: openssl already demonstrated quite satisfactorily. [17:02]
asciilifeform: ( you can ~trivially extract most privkeys, if you spend a coupla months ) [17:02]
mircea_popescu: need was correctly identified year+ in advance the fact work is ongoing is no solace -- something must go in, and it will go in now. [17:02]
mircea_popescu: the only item ready to go in is in fact koch's, and so he gets imported. [17:03]
asciilifeform: if hiring fortune teller - hire cheapest. but ftr i dun get how this beats not having crypto. [17:03]
mircea_popescu: at least it makes the community failure plain to the community. [17:03]
mircea_popescu: i ~tried~ to have crypto. [17:04]
mircea_popescu: what i got is what i got, and that's what the community in turn gets, and when it has a better idea -- implementation it is one comment out away. [17:04]
* asciilifeform continues the very slow and painful walk through most of undergrad number theory that leads, possibly, to usable nonleaking rsa on pc. [17:04]
mircea_popescu: s.mg oif course assumes 0 liability to accounts lost through the process of leaking keys. [17:05]
asciilifeform: ( incidentally fast ffalicious rsa on ~fpga~ is trivial. ) [17:05]
mircea_popescu: yeah but how't that work, i make a line speed fpga based encrypto/decryptor and use it as a router ? [17:06]
asciilifeform: ( proper rsa is 'heavier' than most folx, incl. asciilifeform of a few yrs ago, appreciated. consider, ussr never was able to afford rsa at all. ) [17:07]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for instance. [17:07]
asciilifeform: or, more simply, a rs232 thing, a la fg [17:07]
asciilifeform: two arses [17:07]
mircea_popescu: this is at best a year away. [17:07]
mircea_popescu: and i don't want to bake things that've not even been tested as software. [17:07]
asciilifeform: it wouldn't be in any sense a 'build' of ffa. [17:09]
asciilifeform: rather, a standard, e.g., verilog mips, with the registers extended to 8192b. [17:09]
mircea_popescu: i suppose that might work. [17:09]
asciilifeform: but no, asciilifeform does not have one ready to run. [17:09]
mircea_popescu: at least from a theoretical pov. [17:10]
asciilifeform: how close this item is, even optimistically, depends on whether it could fit in ice40-8k. [17:11]
asciilifeform: ( my current guess is that, sadly, it would not. would need a matrix of'em ) [17:12]
mircea_popescu: not likely fit no. [17:13]
mircea_popescu: "matrix" ends up with what, intermatrix carry ? [17:13]
asciilifeform: ideally not, you'd have bus, adder in 1 chip, shifter in other, etc [17:14]
mircea_popescu: and bus made how ? [17:14]
asciilifeform: but this is 'bridge too far' yet. [17:14]
mircea_popescu: quite, yes. [17:15]
asciilifeform: side q : for what does eulora even need crypto ? authentication - i can see, needs. but the movements of the players are theoretically public, neh? [17:15]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, there is more info than just movements being passed between client and server [17:15]
asciilifeform: ah hm, there's a chat, isnt there. [17:16]
diana_coman: items in own inventory/storage are private for instance [17:16]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ideally chat will move to irc altogether. [17:16]
diana_coman: neah, not the chat really, though merchant works atm via cli/chat so there would be that presumably [17:16]
mircea_popescu: for the historically inclined : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515745 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591437 are prolly the relevant anchors for this discussion. [17:16]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 00:01 asciilifeform proposes to implement this subsystem for s.mg. [17:16]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 22:14 mircea_popescu: course since the nsa consulting work for minigame is going to produce ada rsa, it might be an idea to have an ~ada~ tmsr crypto lib. [17:16]
mircea_popescu: year+ turns out to be ~14 months. [17:17]
asciilifeform: aha [17:17]
diana_coman: fwiw I do see where asciilifeform is coming from and esp re leaking keys but at the same time can't stall eulora on this either, so some sort of thing will have to be cobbled together at best as it can be atm [17:17]
mircea_popescu: indeed. [17:18]
mircea_popescu: and yes, rsa properly examined did turn out to be a lot more work, and a lot more stacked shit papered over in the imperial usage, than originally thought. [17:18]
asciilifeform: i won't put my signature on a leaking rsatron. but i also grasp 'go to war with the shovel you have', we're for instance still using rotten ol' gpg. [17:18]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-september-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) September 2017 Statement [17:18]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, rsa like...everything else you mean,right? [17:19]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the item is currently plaintext i would like to have at least the forms of correctness. [17:19]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: so, if you must : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 [17:19]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman just about. [17:19]
asciilifeform: ^ asciilifeform's very painstaking 'trbfication' of koch [17:19]
mircea_popescu: oh ? [17:19]
asciilifeform: this is circa 2015 [17:19]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, oh, I'll certainly read that [17:20]
asciilifeform: trims down gpg into a quite small (relatively to original, not, e.g. ffa) c lib [17:20]
mircea_popescu: does keygen encrypt decrypt ? [17:20]
asciilifeform: ditches the asmolade, various redundancies, automakeisms [17:20]
mircea_popescu: or just bignum ? [17:20]
asciilifeform: just bignum. but if you add 20ln from rsa.c (in gpg 1.4 from mircea_popescu) in, it yes encrypts/keygens/etc [17:21]
mircea_popescu: right. [17:21]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman looks like the place to drill yeah. [17:21]
asciilifeform: !#s mpi [17:21]
a111: 74 results for "mpi", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mpi [17:21]
asciilifeform: ^ various threads re how and why asciilifeform did this [17:21]
asciilifeform: see also the linked article, for pedantic list of what was cut and why. [17:22]
asciilifeform: note that this is a traditional, kochian, leaking bignumatron. [17:22]
asciilifeform: ( runs on normalized integers, ALL ops take variable time, etc ) [17:23]
* diana_coman appreciates very well that part with "astonishingly painful to properly saw off the kochball" after this past year of sawing off ps shit [17:23]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my mpi builds on all platforms, but on crapple requires a 1ln fix in the make [17:24]
asciilifeform: i'll dig it out, if you end up using this. [17:24]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly needed by people trying to compile mac client. not otherwise. [17:24]
diana_coman: will let you know in any case, crapple is not of much concern to s.mg players can crapple if they want to [17:24]
asciilifeform: ( initially i was building for the mips cpu of the original protocardano, and hence EVERYTHING that could be thrown out --- was ) [17:25]
asciilifeform: nice thing, is that it dun need libs at all [17:25]
asciilifeform: makes a static, dependencyless 'mpi.a' . [17:25]
asciilifeform: which you then link against. [17:25]
diana_coman: sounds good in this respect [17:26]
asciilifeform: you will notice that koch's rng atrocity ain't in there. [17:27]
asciilifeform: ( nor anything else, it's just the arithm. routines. ) [17:27]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: make sure you take the version marked 'update:' [17:27]
asciilifeform: ('second cut') [17:28]
diana_coman: will do [17:28]
* asciilifeform bbl : meat [17:28]
mircea_popescu: and for the freenode curious, http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-10-01.log.html#t21:46:47 [19:09]
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-10-01 21:46:47: <kline> sure [19:09]
* shinohai thinks it would be kinda neat to have a eulora cloak [19:13]
mircea_popescu: a wouldja like one ? [19:17]
shinohai: Perhaps will come to pass when the app gets submitted. [19:20]
mircea_popescu: can't see why not. [19:22]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at bubbling butt barn, http://68.media.tumblr.com/54bd9b6437ab46e8c3bcaf3860deda92/tumblr_nqmfwziN3J1r4faido1_1280.jpg [19:39]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in phuctor lulz, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0E8509B69B30D833B7B8063E8F7B0BB9AEA36CD33C46FCA284A62A49E446BA8B << some monkey's pastiche, made of his (or some rando derp's) pub, an ostensible 'debian signing key', and asciilifeform's pub [20:41]
asciilifeform: ( anybody can lift a modulus from one place, and drop it in another, so this kind of 'graffiti' is trivial ) [20:43]
asciilifeform: the funniest bit is that anybody who spends a few $10k to find sha1 collision, can take it one step further and make a valid subkey for asciilifeform's, or mircea_popescu's, etc. key [20:49]
asciilifeform: which any gpg-compatible pgptron ever released, will accept as valid, its signatures - as genuine, etc. [20:49]
mircea_popescu: there's a reason there's !!key etc. [21:28]
asciilifeform: it ain't as if what comes down yer pipe from !!key , is itself signed.. [21:34]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( dulap -- believe or not -- is still up... ) << Prolly because the haet speak on dulap doesn't look like itself to the uninitiated. [21:34]
mircea_popescu: you think ? [21:36]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right, i'd love to see variant keys. [21:36]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, both boxes on same hoster. One unplugged promptly, other curiously still connected despite overt raep overtures.. [21:42]
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats [22:17]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 487879 | Current Difficulty: 1.123863285132E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 489887 | Next Difficulty In: 2008 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 37 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [22:17]
BingoBoingo: In other media: Si Newhouse (Conde Nast) dead, finally [22:25]
mircea_popescu: aww [22:26]
BingoBoingo: Allegedly his brother Donald still lives for some definition of living [22:30]
oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/fuckbeasts/ [22:33]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [22:58]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4370.02, vol: 7410.83687857 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4417.0, vol: 27771.91218176 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4229.3316, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4397.0, vol: 2729.09851003 | Volume-weighted last average: 4406.37685413 [22:58]
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/Birdman.txt [23:11]
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/diana_coman.txt [23:12]
lobbes: http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/hanbot.txt [23:12]
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/hanbot.txt [23:13]
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/mircea_popescu.txt [23:13]
trinque: I'm over here working on the thing [23:14]
trinque: it'll respond when I fire it back up [23:14]
deedbot: deeds online [23:16]
lobbes: worx [23:16]
lobbes: should I re-deed those or are they in the queue? [23:17]
trinque: I've got 'em, will make sure they pop out the other end. [23:18]
lobbes: kk [23:18]
lobbes: cross-logging for posterity: http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-10-02.log.html [23:20]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [23:20]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [23:20]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [23:20]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [23:20]
lobbes: oops. wrong link: http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-10-02.log.html#t03:16:09 [23:20]
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-10-02 03:16:09: <lobbes> also to note that going forward, all BTC payments will be done through the deedbot wallet service. If someone wants to pay via that method, let me know and I'll generate the invoice [23:20]
trinque: lobbes: checked out the commands already? [23:21]
lobbes: yeah! looks spiffy [23:21]
trinque: very cool. soon as I'm done mucking around in deedbot's innards, it'll get a proper write-up. docs should be pretty self-explanatory though. [23:22]
trinque: glad ya like it. let me know how it goes. [23:22]
lobbes: excited to test it out, although 100% of my payments have been in ecu so far. Perhaps will change now though [23:23]
mircea_popescu: trinque soo, can i pay these ? [23:34]
* BingoBoingo claps for trinque [23:37]
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