Forum logs for 02 Jun 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: bosh. [00:00]
BingoBoingo: Well they stretch the OS out to everyone else's userland and further stretch the user out to which particular eye candy photo gallery they want to include. Welcome to Africa. [00:00]
mircea_popescu: served by for some reason, which is a "" and also SIX GAMES WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT PLAYING THIS SUMMER. because "Our team works hard, but also plays hard. Be it at the office for a break or at home, we enjoy going on adventures to look for powerful artifacts, fight with tribes and unravelling a futuristic New York landscape. 2016 is a very exciting year for [00:02]
mircea_popescu: the gaming industry with blablabla. [00:02]
mircea_popescu: oh, i'm sory, evowise is not a "", really it's a "Leading by Innovation". seriously : "About EvoWise EvoWise connects consumers and products in the digital space. We continually innovate to produce groundbreaking technologies to reinvent the way brands advertise.We deliver online customers to fortune 500 companies through our proprietary multi-channel technology platform. " [00:03]
mircea_popescu: all this with a list of news and events from 2016. that time before ~everyone with a brain left, there was one good week cca april, they even had an office lan party. [00:04]
mircea_popescu: schmucks. [00:04]
mircea_popescu: oh, in other news : " Browsing and buying in this website is not recommended." [00:06]
mircea_popescu: << even better. ALSO not recommended. roflmao. [00:20]
mircea_popescu: in other arcana, " THE INNOVATION GHETTO BY THE BAY" [00:53]
mircea_popescu: was this gabriel laddel then ? [00:53]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the original mocker of "change, as long as nothing changes" would be... my prophet. [00:56]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in delicious nonsense, moneyshot : "A thought we had a few weeks ago during one of our low-low mood phases, that perhaps it isn't worth pursuing bodily separation since we all already know each so well and can basically form new sentient agents in this brain on a whim, with a second's effort namely, that if any one of separated into a new brain or some other medium of mind, that a [01:03]
mircea_popescu: t this point we might be fractal – might inevitably reinstantiate everyone else wherever any one of us goes – and would be back to square one, or worse with some copies having bodies they want and others being reinstantiations in bodies they don't particularly want" [01:03]
mircea_popescu: misfortunate pantsuit, can't escape unfairness even in purely hallucinated masturbatory fantasy. [01:03]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in make the 1990s great again, [01:38]
mircea_popescu: << this shit is too lulzy to not preserve last 5 lines totally make it. [02:01]
mircea_popescu: in continuing lulz 20mn in 2017 should by now be just about in the place where they explain why "first time investor"/retired athlete dies broke. [02:16]
mircea_popescu: (in similar news : just "closed" a 600mn series g on a 12bn implied valuation. cuz a low margin business with no custom can totally be worth billions, just let usjew layers & accountants work it.) [02:27]
mircea_popescu: and the final item in today's lengthy list of "how the other half lives" : "Hunters.AI generates and delivers actionable visualized attack stories". nuff said. [02:35]
mircea_popescu: << lulz of all fucking time, the timeline of decay. [02:37]
mircea_popescu: (for a ready bridge with the huawei lulz : Brig. Gen. Ehud Schneerson.) [02:41]
diana_coman: what pops out to me from all those "other half" is the ...wooden tongue in there different wooden perhaps than realizari marete but just as wooden as far as I can tell. [03:33]
mircea_popescu: ayup. this is what happens when people stop seeking new customers. [06:37]
mircea_popescu: if they're not talking, it therefore follows they're praying. [06:38]
mircea_popescu: i'm up to here with prayer, sick an' fucking tired. [06:38]
mircea_popescu: !#seen brendafdez [06:43]
a111: 2015-03-25 <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering. [06:43]
mircea_popescu: oh oh now i remember, we had entire spanish-lang qntra support at some point. [06:47]
mircea_popescu: in other 2015, [06:48]
a111: Logged on 2015-04-29 16:24 mod6: asciilifeform: I'm just trying to put together the monthy address In one to three sentences cna you help me summarize what is going on with glibc/libnss? [06:48]
mircea_popescu: aaand speaking of "women in tech", and so on. [06:51]
a111: Logged on 2015-04-25 19:55 ben_vulpes: !rate pinkposixpxe 1 lent a hand with some bash. [06:51]
a111: Logged on 2015-04-25 19:53 ben_vulpes: !rate moiety 1 rip [06:51]
a111: Logged on 2015-04-25 20:04 ben_vulpes: !rate chetty 2 engineer of the world that was. [06:51]
mircea_popescu: << this question still stand asciilifeform ? [06:52]
a111: Logged on 2015-03-31 02:23 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... brendafdez -1 Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive << wai wat, was this in-channel? iirc this person simply vanished into thin air without so much as a squeak [06:52]
diana_coman: - this actually sounds to me remarkably on point, thank you! (and it further explains to me just why I find the wooden tongue SO annoying because yes, prayer.) [08:05]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 10:38 mircea_popescu: if they're not talking, it therefore follows they're praying. [08:05]
mircea_popescu: aha! [08:26]
mircea_popescu: also, [09:11]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the best part imo is where their verbiage ends up self-parodic. from the idf.8200's thinly veiled "private corp" webpage : 2000s : Preventing the threat (Blocking hackers from accessing organizational networks) --> 2010s Detecting the threat (Scanning networks for known vulnerabilities identified by previous breaches) --> 2019 Autonomous hunting (Intercept sophisticated attacks with proactive and continuous th [09:15]
mircea_popescu: reat hunting) [09:15]
mircea_popescu: leaving aside how they didn't even have the fucking decency to 2020, they're that mememe narcissistic -- so it goes from killing to chasing to jacking off ? such progress redolent of decay! [09:16]
asciilifeform: << a++ 3ln perlism [09:25]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 04:20 mircea_popescu: << even better. ALSO not recommended. roflmao. [09:25]
asciilifeform: << interestingly, aficionados do in fact regularly 'bottle' a multiplayer game. ( reverse-engineered server proggy ) . [09:26]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 03:45 mircea_popescu: i choose the later, because... here's the problem : there's no because, properly speaking. "oh, hurr durr i want to own my games" wtf does this mean in a net context ? yes, i still have and still play homm2 / mm6 / gothic / whatever. but how the fuck are you going to meaningfully save a multiplayer game ? should they send me the server too ? [09:26]
asciilifeform: or, at any rate, re-baked by hand [09:26]
mircea_popescu: for slightly more effort than'd have been required to outright write it. [09:26]
mircea_popescu: if i'm gonna field that sort of workforce, ima just make them make a new one. [09:27]
asciilifeform: afaik was done for games where role of server is mechanically simple ( passing bits b/w players ) [09:27]
mircea_popescu: (of course, that sorta workforce can't be fielded, because gabriel_ladel, adlai, brendafdez etcetera type reasons meanwhile the sorta workforce that can be fielded, well... they're the office drone, wanna pray and future_ [09:28]
diana_coman: well, the "progress" from olive oil to sunflower oil to soya oil and so on quite similar there too, indeed. [09:28]
asciilifeform: the 'dark seekrit' is that almost always makes 9000x moar sense to write new proggy than 'repair' old. [09:29]
mircea_popescu: quite. [09:29]
mircea_popescu: o look at this BingoBoingo : << PICHING!!! i didn't notice it backl then... [09:29]
a111: Logged on 2015-02-19 11:50 brendafdez: Last time was also Pete from Coindesk, he interviewed all the poeple claiming to run 'exchanges' here. There are a huge numer of such 'exchanges', most of which don't even exist like coinmelon (refered to by mp as coinmuon bc of the sign at the doorbell). Then there's Latincoin, which is also there athe 'embassy' and also doesn't even exist and is only piching to 'investors' to get money with no product. Last time they were asking for $7 [09:29]
asciilifeform: << just about certainly him [09:29]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 04:53 mircea_popescu: was this gabriel laddel then ? [09:29]
mircea_popescu: aha. [09:29]
mircea_popescu: sadwomen aka "empowered modern career woman" being the result of male withdrawal and neglect exactly in the same manner ourdemocracy is the result of smart people just checking out of reality altogether. [09:30]
diana_coman: re "repair code" /me looks at planeshift... [09:30]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 3d lib ? [09:31]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, in fairness, you're termiting it, ie, replacing by parts. [09:31]
mircea_popescu: rather than actually repairing the mess. [09:31]
diana_coman: asciilifeform: planeshift is the open source game crystal space is the graphics engine aka 3d lib [09:31]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, 3d lib is cal3d there's a more general lib atop it (crystal space, cs). then there's yet another one on top of that. they follow the same 2000-2010-2019 "progression" [09:32]
diana_coman: ah, yes cal3d too. [09:32]
asciilifeform: incidentally, apropos of gamez thread, there was very interesting french msdos item, 'little big adventure', that blew asciilifeform's mind, had 2010s-style graphic on 40mhz 486. ( how ? clever gourad system, and pile of asm i suspect ) [09:32]
asciilifeform: aa. [09:32]
mircea_popescu: i played that! [09:32]
asciilifeform: sequel was also a++ imho [09:32]
mircea_popescu: was like 95 game yeah. way ahead of its pack [09:33]
asciilifeform: there were some first class folx hand-massaging 3d and sewing jawdropping silk purses from sow ears in '90s. [09:33]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that's true, replacing it by parts indeed not sure it's possible to do much any other way either. [09:33]
mircea_popescu: myeah [09:34]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this is the problem, every generation has a small set of actual human beings, with functioning brains. and the current set's mostly fighting their tulpas. [09:35]
asciilifeform: old man newton also spent 90+% of his cycles fighting devils iirc. [09:36]
asciilifeform: not exactly new problem. [09:37]
mircea_popescu: yes, but the problem with the intervening centuries is that the barrier to achievement rose. what newton could usefully do could be accomplished in weeklong stretches which is how he did manage, 5-6 weeks / year, to produce something. [09:37]
mircea_popescu: what gabriel ladel or the rest could accomplish requires 6-18 month stretches. they do not get those. [09:37]
mircea_popescu: it's one thing for habitual drunk to be sober six days it's quite another for him to manage forty weeks. [09:37]
mircea_popescu: CONSECUTIVE weeks. [09:37]
asciilifeform: speaking of which, 'Smart drugs, so long as they're not Benzedrine and don't you dare mention that Paul Erdős lived to 83, that Norbert Wiener pioneered cybernetics, that the mother of all demos was done by an LSD aficionado...' [09:37]
mircea_popescu: butofcourse. [09:38]
asciilifeform: poor g_l eventually found his coveted dope. where are the theorems!1111 [09:38]
asciilifeform: fella inescapably reminds me of that 'darwin award' winner who welded jet engine to old rusty 'ford'. [09:39]
asciilifeform: 'Independence, so long as it's sea steading (i.e., not going to happpen)' << whatever happened to that batch of nutters ? [09:40]
mircea_popescu: and speaking of : * Now talking on #bitcoin-argentina [09:41]
a111: Logged on 2015-02-18 12:32 brendafdez: later tell mircea_popescu You're squatting the channel ) I could be running some shady business there instead... [09:41]
mircea_popescu: * *** Notice -- TS for #bitcoin-argentina changed from 1559482823 to 1405209446 [09:41]
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc (1559482823 -1405209446)/3600/24 [09:41]
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 1785.57149306 [09:41]
asciilifeform: fwiw i still suspect that if g_l had stayed out of sv, could've lived. the 'folie a deux' nutter culture is deadlier than any known dope. [09:41]
mircea_popescu: 1785 days since chanserv saw anyone there. this'd be... EXACTLY the interval. [09:41]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the only way out is the "dude, i know you're too fucking stupid to understand WHY you have to obey, but obey nevertheless". which, sadly, is indistinguishable from their pov from the common socialist state. [09:42]
mircea_popescu: so they're stuck, alone. [09:42]
asciilifeform: reminds me, apparently asciilifeform is still admin of a 'argentine bdsm' group (empty) in reddit. i dun even recall how this happened. [09:42]
mircea_popescu: and if 80 of the 100 or so ever alive at one point are lost to that delusion, things like the monkey empire can exist. [09:42]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're stuck in mental equiv. of 'sokoban' level with all the crates parked in corners. [09:44]
asciilifeform: 'Interest in Operating Systems, so long as you don't think about the big picture[0] and notice that the inability to mechanically walk a graph, detect and resolve cycles[1] is indicative of a complete and utter failure of all involved parties' << notbad , even, summary. [09:46]
asciilifeform: d00d clearly had spark of life, imho, at some point. [09:46]
asciilifeform: << where, incidentally, didja dig up this horror ? [09:48]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 06:01 mircea_popescu: << this shit is too lulzy to not preserve last 5 lines totally make it. [09:48]
asciilifeform: pretty good illustration, btw, of them corners. [09:48]
asciilifeform: << not only settled this q , but iirc since then we had coupla moar examples of same pathology [09:51]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 10:52 mircea_popescu: << this question still stand asciilifeform ? [09:51]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 02:41 alice_: i'm alice. i haven't interacted with this channel before. but i don't imagine that's the answer you're hoping for [09:51]
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece, where described. there's people walking around with the meat equiv. of a box with hosed boot partition, and generally 'reformat' of meat is enuff of a laborious proposition that not worth the reqd effort [09:53]
asciilifeform: << btw , speaking of wiener, asciilifeform has an unfinished mega-piece on subj sitting on hdd for years nao. ( summary -- wiener's 'cybernetics' has ~0 to do with computation of whatever kind, and is exactly the 1950s equiv. of today's 'bayesianisms' etc. and when the crackpottery was , correctly, laughed at in su, actual computers were being built [09:59]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 13:37 asciilifeform: speaking of which, 'Smart drugs, so long as they're not Benzedrine and don't you dare mention that Paul Erdős lived to 83, that Norbert Wiener pioneered cybernetics, that the mother of all demos was done by an LSD aficionado...' [09:59]
asciilifeform: . whereas when reintroduced, 'cybernetics institutes' were built, and ate good % of budget w/out ~anything~ but mountain of derrida-style crapola to show for it. eventually ending in the 'pdp betrayal' and final death of computing as a field in sovokistan. ) [09:59]
asciilifeform: there is sucha thing as an infectious idiocy. i.e. concept that does to thinking what hg does to aluminum. [10:02]
mircea_popescu: << ~same process that squeezed fetlife, just you know, applied in general [10:24]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 13:48 asciilifeform: pretty good illustration, btw, of them corners. [10:24]
mircea_popescu: sorry, that was re "where" [10:24]
mircea_popescu: << should prolly polish and publish one of these days. [10:26]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 13:59 asciilifeform: << btw , speaking of wiener, asciilifeform has an unfinished mega-piece on subj sitting on hdd for years nao. ( summary -- wiener's 'cybernetics' has ~0 to do with computation of whatever kind, and is exactly the 1950s equiv. of today's 'bayesianisms' etc. and when the crackpottery was , correctly, laughed at in su, actual computers were being built [10:26]
mircea_popescu: you know, in your spare time. [10:26]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, [10:29]
mircea_popescu: and in ongoing other-half lulzsaga : ubuntu installer dies, drops to busybox ash because initramfs can't find a live filesystem [10:30]
mircea_popescu: in other barbarian news : [10:53]
mircea_popescu: good thing #ubuntu has >1k users tho. it'd get boring if the same exact names logged on and off all the time. [10:54]
mircea_popescu: hervariety! [10:54]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in axe handles : and and [11:18]
mircea_popescu: ie "Behaviours such as sending messages with sexual content to a student or proferring macho comments in class go unpunished in the public universities [of Costa Rica] because of the weakness of administrative sanctions imposed by the rules on sexual aggression" "Huawei Costa Rica calls for calm and assures all its products can be used without concern. They assure the smartphones and tables already sold and those to be s [11:21]
mircea_popescu: old, can be used as well as always" "Since thursday the visa rules for ticos were changed by Donald Trump so as to require the social media platforms they use (without password)". [11:21]
mircea_popescu: self-colonisation ftw! [11:22]
mircea_popescu: remarkable just how useless computers are these days. so first, i chugged in 2gb of ubuntu. the moment it came up it wanted to get a further 450mb of "updates". then it turns out ~every game out there has pretty much outsourced its distribution (and, i suspect, debugging, such as it is) to steam (with a minor gog presence as well). so you gotta install steam. that's only 50mb or so, but a third layer by now. [11:50]
mircea_popescu: and then of course the moment you actually try to install a game, steam needs at least 2-300mb of further updates. [11:50]
mircea_popescu: but at least this deeply foss process is asking me for my password every 5 minutes, so how bad can it be. [11:50]
mircea_popescu: if my net didn't churn 1 gb / minute i dunno wtf i'd be doing here. or rather... i do know. [11:51]
BingoBoingo: << Lol, all these years later and folks are still Pichi-NG [12:44]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 13:29 mircea_popescu: o look at this BingoBoingo : << PICHING!!! i didn't notice it backl then... [12:44]
mircea_popescu: you know ? [12:52]
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the Spanish language qntra was set up and proceeded to receive nothing from the very enthusiastic F-dez [12:57]
* BingoBoingo doing statement archaeology [13:04]
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in Pantsuit artifiacts found in the wild, trying to stack bills the Clinton way: [13:05]
BingoBoingo: The very concerned about the poor Frente Amplista wants 300 USD a head to speak for her own campaign. [13:06]
BingoBoingo: At the same time the Blancos and other opposition parties are doing the thing where they take street corners and don't sell tickets [13:07]
* BingoBoingo emerges from the archaeology. [15:18]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The base price for 1 year of hosting is 1700.40 USD (12 months * 141.70 USD) [15:19]
BingoBoingo: The book prices recorded in the statements for the machines diverges wildly as shown in the April 2018 statement (in the prior March 2018 statement the book value of the first box in Uruguay is recorded as 0.23423972) [15:19]
BingoBoingo: On one box ben_vulpes sold a sort of harware replacement plan for 20% over the box's book cost. On the other box which was billed monthly, some math unclear math was done and for the lack of a longer term arrangement the billing remained pegged at 0.0578066 BTC. [15:19]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-24 18:39 ben_vulpes: i can give you a pretty steep discount for paying the year up front, but because i'm building out the downline i want to keep the box on the balance sheet. how about a 20% markup on the machine if you pay for the whole year? [15:19]
a111: Logged on 2018-07-25 02:29 mod6: mircea_popescu, diana_coman : Ben and I worked out a prorated amount for UY3 for the month of July. It comes to a total of 19 days, which will amount to: 0.03542985 [15:19]
BingoBoingo: In order to break the present state of sin and approach the proposed, more reasonable figure, going forward my inclination is to have box rental priced to recover 90% of their book cost over the first year's rents and in following years track 50% per annum as a longevity discount. [15:19]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 02:52 mircea_popescu: suppose you folk re-invoice me for something more like .4 ? [15:19]
BingoBoingo: In this case since we have identical boxes and divergent prices on the book of 0.23423972 and 0.4 without a USD base price recorded in the statements, I am inclined to take the lower price and round it up to 0.235 to resolve the discrepancy and continue with the pricing exercise. [15:19]
BingoBoingo: 1700.40 USD @ 5319 USD/BTC = 0.319684151 BTC + 0.1175 BTC (0.235/2) = 0.437184151 BTC for a year of hosting on each box. This would carry the production server to April 18th 2020 and the test server would carry it to June 1st 2020. The two invoices would total 0.874368302 BTC, and the next invoicing on the boxes would be staggered one month apart. [15:19]
BingoBoingo: In the interest of simplifying things and because you are Mircea Popescu, I am inclined to kick the total down to 0.85 split it over two invoices of 0.425 for each of the two machines and have them both run through June 1st 2020 offering a small percentage discount and roughly a month and a half of time on the production box free. [15:19]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Let me know what you think of this proposal. [15:19]
BingoBoingo: Feedback and suggested changes are very welcome [15:19]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform and mod6 are invited to review as well [15:21]
feedbot: << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of March, April and May, 1715 - Part II. [18:34]
feedbot: << Qntra -- Amazon Moving Into "Built In" Market With Their Spyware, Google Drama Shows "Voice Computing" Largely Human Powered [18:37]
PeterL: hi there, I made a small vpatch for MP-WP, because the text selection was not working: [21:35]
lobbesbot: PeterL: Sent 2 weeks, 3 days, 5 hours, and 18 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> I'm not versed enough in javascript to be certain. The difference below 24c24 could be something. [21:35]
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