Forum logs for 30 Sep 2017
| BingoBoingo: | !!Up jawbone | [00:01] |
| deedbot: | jawbone voiced for 30 minutes. | [00:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other special purpose instruments, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XHtWSNnXEw | [00:12] |
| mod6: | interesting instrument there | [00:29] |
| davout: | neat, have any vids where it's actually played? | [07:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | davout for instance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ50T-QBSg0 | [09:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | known as "vioara cu goarna" in romanian (higheghe cu tolcer in local dialect stroh violin in other local dialect) if you want to look it up yourself. it's the chosen / symbolic instrument of bihor country in transylvania, but widely used in teh nortern countries (of romania). | [09:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | and yes django'd have conceivably loved it, it's specifically toned for his interests. | [09:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically it's a violin using a metal plate as a mechanical amplifier. early 1900s idea. | [09:07] |
| davout: | this is intensely cool | [09:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | competent romanians will tell you the instrument's required in serious gypsy band yes. | [09:08] |
| davout: | check the mirror dudes out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=635ljhj4guQ | [09:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe | [09:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's a dood and his son actually. | [09:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | (the principal limitation of the instrument is that the sound is directional. that's why the twin players is so tempting.) | [09:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | and all this "forking" and "bitcoin cash" and "segwit" and "protocols" and "agreements" bullshit readily brings to mind the old age discussion of all the "alt" bitcoin flavours, back when the item was called doge and the idiots with delusions of self importance were called jackson palmer, kevin rose etc : http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptib | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | le-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/ | [09:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | (dogegoin, which "still exists" has a "market cap" of whatever, >100mn, according to the websites printing arbitrary values next to text strings similarily myspace.com is worth $70 mn according to "Worth Of Web Calculator - World's #1 Website Value Calculator") | [09:59] |
| BingoBoingo: | !~ticker --market all | [10:19] |
| jhvh1: | BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4274.17, vol: 7485.08466905 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4306.2, vol: 24957.02007659 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4229.3316, vol: 406.48370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4290.1, vol: 3013.91999922 | Volume-weighted last average: 4297.29049703 | [10:19] |
| asciilifeform: | in other lulz, https://archive.is/GhTjl ( and elsewhere, e.g. https://archive.is/uvS7m ) >> 'Jose Lugo said the tall metal towers quickly appeared up after the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel tolls booths came down. “We don’t really know what’s the purpose of this,” he told Carlin. It’s a $100 million MTA project shrouded in secrecy, with 18 of them for tunnels and bridges. So what are they exactly? The MTA’s man in charge of the | [11:53] |
| asciilifeform: | bridges and tunnels, Cedrick Fulton, dodged Carlin’s questions Wednesday. “I said no comment,” he said.' | [11:53] |
| asciilifeform: | geometry in photo https://archive.is/uvS7m/6e8269aebe24e3f6332a9503b657b22213e71903.jpg suggests a http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-19-oct-2015#1904433 | [11:56] |
| a111: | Logged on 2015-10-19 21:14 assbot: NYPD caught using X-ray vans to search the public, refuses court order to release details | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCA1cv ) | [11:56] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and/or http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460181 , and naturally also simply money siphon, aka распил бюджета ) | [11:58] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-01 16:43 asciilifeform: usg luuuuvs to know at the borders if you're pissing neutrons (note what price of helium on the market did in past 20 yrs. us dhs bought up most of it, for tubes) | [11:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought mta ran on public funds. | [12:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | what do you mean "no comment" ? | [12:04] |
| mod6: | how's it goin? | [13:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | eagerly awaiting deedbot 's reemergence | [13:01] |
| mod6: | *nod* | [13:02] |
| mod6: | To close the loop here a bit, the vtron stuff I've been doing in ada is a lot faster now than it was -- just needed to get some better loop control. | [13:16] |
| mod6: | Basically when working with Strings.Fixed I end up making arrays (of fixed size) of strings (of fixed size), need to use caution always to not continue to iterate if the string at a given index is filled with ' '. | [13:17] |
| mod6: | Doing such, avoid use of the heap. And there is quite a bit of manipulation I have to do with the strings. So that adds some cost, because I'm basically doing the parsing on my own. I'm not using any weird 3rd party libs. | [13:18] |
| mod6: | Anyway, there is some hope here perhaps -- got a long way to go. | [13:19] |
| mod6: | The good news is I'm learning stuff. | [13:20] |
| mod6: | !!up p0nziph0ne | [13:21] |
| deedbot: | p0nziph0ne voiced for 30 minutes. | [13:21] |
| mod6: | Another thing worth the mention is that my ada-vtron shells out to gpg - which adds some time as well. one thing I think that would help is if I could figure out how to capture the shell command output directly back into the application instead of having to write to a file, then read the file back into the program. | [13:44] |
| mod6: | if anyone knows how to do this, let me know. | [13:44] |
| mod6: | for example, I do a bunch of this in perl: @result = `gpg --bla --bla` foreach(@result) { } | [13:47] |
| mod6: | but as far as I can tell, there is no way to do that in ada. the general thing i've seen out on the web is that you must write the output of the shell command to a file, then read it back in. | [13:48] |
| mod6: | anyway, this is all just experimental stuff. no worries. | [13:49] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: http://www.adacore.com/adaanswers/gems/gem-54/ | [14:04] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718648 << nsa, cia also 'run on public funds', lol | [14:07] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-30 16:04 mircea_popescu: i thought mta ran on public funds. | [14:07] |
| mod6: | thanks alf! | [14:12] |
| asciilifeform: | lemme know if it worx, mod6 | [14:12] |
| mod6: | i'd been avoiding using GNAT libs... maybe I shouldn't have been? | [14:12] |
| asciilifeform: | ( i have not personally tried ) | [14:12] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: doing os-related cruft presents a choice b/w gnat libs and c callouts | [14:13] |
| asciilifeform: | you will notice, for mmap i picked the latteer | [14:13] |
| asciilifeform: | *latter | [14:13] |
| mod6: | ya. i was looking at your stuff to sort of guide me a bit. | [14:13] |
| asciilifeform: | because adacore's mmap lib is a massive pile of shit ( e.g. includes winblowzisms ) | [14:13] |
| mod6: | i'm strictly doing c callouts. | [14:13] |
| asciilifeform: | the cost is, then you gotta make'em behave adaistically | [14:14] |
| asciilifeform: | ( i.e. no possibility of string fandango, etc ) | [14:14] |
| mod6: | but am flexible. my basic aim is to write the code, keep it as tight and functionally appropriate as possible, then tune it later. | [14:14] |
| mod6: | <+asciilifeform> the cost is, then you gotta make'em behave adaistically << yeah, my approach now seems sane. might be a bit expensive tho. so, if there's a better way thats still 'sane', will try that and report back. | [14:15] |
| asciilifeform: | the sane approach consists of isolating all of the unixoid crud in separate .ads/.adb , make it compact. | [14:16] |
| mod6: | anyway, it's been pretty cool to see this thing come to life. im now in the process of building the big map of vpatch->srcfile->{hash_a, hash_b} | [14:16] |
| asciilifeform: | neato. | [14:16] |
| mod6: | <+asciilifeform> the sane approach consists of isolating all of the unixoid crud in separate .ads/.adb , make it compact. << ah, this is even deeper than i have it for sure. | [14:17] |
| mod6: | eitherway, thanks for the tip. | [14:18] |
| asciilifeform: | sure. | [14:18] |
| mod6: | how's it goin with ffa stuff? | [14:18] |
| asciilifeform: | still on barrett | [14:19] |
| mod6: | werd. exciting stuff. wish i could help more :/ | [14:20] |
| asciilifeform: | the continuing lulzy part is how everywhere on the net you will find 'constant time crypto libs are available', 'it's a solved problem', 'this reduction routine is constant time', and all of it is liquishit and doesn't stand up to 30 seconds of examination with naked eye | [14:26] |
| asciilifeform: | from openssl down to the crackpot libs, same exact thing, somehow the ~label~ is supposed to... make it so? | [14:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718666 << not at all comparable, federal govt carved itself out some corruption purse mta is a local affair, has no such bs legislation. | [14:28] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-30 18:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718648 << nsa, cia also 'run on public funds', lol | [14:28] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: takes fed moneys, neh | [14:28] |
| asciilifeform: | just like the statehighways etc | [14:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | not afaik | [14:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | indirectly via debt ie "bonds" underwritten by fed via usg.idiots 401k etc | [14:29] |
| asciilifeform: | 'New York State’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority has said that it needs $29.8 billion in capital spending over the next five years... ...After months of silence, Gov. Andrew Cuomo has weighed in with a plan: $8.3 billion from the state, $3.2 billion from the city and the rest from the federal government and other sources' -- volkischer beobachter, aug. 2015 | [14:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | a nm, their 2015 five year plan 30bn is a jumble. | [14:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718691 << in the same vein, "everywhere on the net" you see discussion of "stalin purges" and headcounts and commentary past satiem and nauseam. what you won't find is a fucking LIST OF NAMES. AT ALL. | [14:34] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-30 18:26 asciilifeform: the continuing lulzy part is how everywhere on the net you will find 'constant time crypto libs are available', 'it's a solved problem', 'this reduction routine is constant time', and all of it is liquishit and doesn't stand up to 30 seconds of examination with naked eye | [14:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | you wanna know which fucking slavsky he supposedly strangled, as it's not the yefrim director of medium machinery ministry, who survived to the 80s ? | [14:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | FUCK YOU!!! details are for terrorists! Stalin killed 20mn people and they had no names! | [14:34] |
| asciilifeform: | he ate'em!11 | [14:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | try and find any fucking concrete detail of anything. "global warming!!" yeah, and the measurements are where ? "MTA investment!!" yeah and you did what ? "stalin purges" who ? | [14:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | and so on and so following, an entire anthill of priorless idiots. | [14:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | they could be tachyons for all the fucking difference it'd make, came from the future and going to disappear into the past. | [14:37] |
| asciilifeform: | http://old.memo.ru/memory/spiski.htm << the most liberally snarfing 'list of repressed' derps, funded by usg dos, sum up to 3mil. | [14:37] |
| asciilifeform: | and incidentally whenever i dig out an actual case file ( there are not many in public domain , no prizes for guessing why ) it dun read like a 'arrested for nuffin' | [14:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | "oh but mp, a list of 20mn names would be too long, here's instead a 1.2gb video version of me going uuuuhhh ummm in a concrete cell with plastic loose wallpaper!" | [14:39] |
| asciilifeform: | more typically a 'stole from employer for decade+, and then Cruelly Unjustly Repressed (tm)' | [14:39] |
| asciilifeform: | 'but i was just orcing, like any other orc' | [14:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | cuz fucking obviously, their windows notepad croaks if confronted with a 100mb csv, whereas their windows media player plays the uhhhhs and ummms just fine. | [14:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | buncha monkeys. | [14:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform yes, but it's not in fucking english, the language of the premiere science engineering shitheads in the world, now is it. | [14:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform and fwiw, CUR is how you say ass in romanian. | [14:40] |
| asciilifeform: | http://rosagr.natm.ru/memorybook.php << another interhashinlkomyooniti-suppored derpatron claims 1.5mil searchable bios | [14:42] |
| asciilifeform: | incidentally when is anybody gonna make one of these for usa | [14:42] |
| asciilifeform: | could be 100mil easy as pie | [14:43] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718706 << i find it interesting how the racket is supposed, evidently, to work : the details somehow 'have been reified into The Consensus Reality (tm)(r) and consequently Only A Terrorist would demand to 'reopen the case', demand raw figures, verifiable-anythings. | [14:45] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-30 18:36 mircea_popescu: try and find any fucking concrete detail of anything. "global warming!!" yeah, and the measurements are where ? "MTA investment!!" yeah and you did what ? "stalin purges" who ? | [14:45] |
| asciilifeform: | ( witness how they treat localhost 'deniers' etc ) | [14:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, fwiw slavsky is identified as Yemelyan Mikhailovich Yaroslavsky. and reich is likely zinaida, esenin's wif. | [14:54] |
| asciilifeform: | not strangled at all tho | [14:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | which ? | [14:56] |
| asciilifeform: | yaroslavsky | [14:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://rosagr.natm.ru/memorybook.php?fam=%DF%F0%EE%F1%EB%E0%E2%F1%EA%E8%E9&im=&otc=&birth=none&bday=1&bmonth=1&byear=&arrest=none&aday=1&amonth=1&ayear=&book=all&subm=%CF%EE%E8%F1%EA << fellow pointedly absent. | [14:56] |
| asciilifeform: | i assume we're discussing the propagandist ? | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | what do you mean ? died 1943 in moscow of what ? | [14:57] |
| asciilifeform: | cancer, as far as anybody knows. | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | "being a trotskist" afaik. | [14:57] |
| asciilifeform: | nope? | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | wouldn't be the first time romanian history of the urss diverges from russians' own idea. | [14:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform how far does the disagreement go ? y. wrote a likbez on bolshevic orthodoxy that stalin found extremely apt in 1940, and then full of heresies in 1943. aye or nay ? | [14:59] |
| asciilifeform: | afaik d00d was never publicly defrocked, or even rebuked, buried with honour in the fortress wall | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | his book was fucvking banned! | [15:00] |
| asciilifeform: | which book | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | history of communist party. | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | the "reliable guide" of 1920s. | [15:01] |
| asciilifeform: | let's verify that we have same d00d ? | [15:01] |
| asciilifeform: | http://www.hrono.ru/biograf/bio_ya/jaroslavski_em.php << him ? | [15:01] |
| asciilifeform: | ( scroll to the caricature, also. ) | [15:02] |
| asciilifeform: | afaik d00d sucked stalin's cock till the day he died. | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | мельян Михайлович Ярославский born gubelman. | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | same man. | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | we are discussing the cock not the sucker here tho. | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, most of them sucked it till the end. | [15:03] |
| asciilifeform: | wrote canonical bio of stalin, sat on the librorum prohibitorum committees, etc | [15:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | well nikita also wrote cannonical obit of stalin, but the point is, he did fall at some point in the 30s, his historia was indexed, and so on. | [15:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | might have been reprieved. | [15:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | might have died of cancewr, i guess. | [15:05] |
| asciilifeform: | last link defo not prosov www. and yet 0 record, there or anywhere, of y having written a book that got unhappened etc | [15:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | the self-same history of the bolshevik party. | [15:05] |
| asciilifeform: | https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/4440538/ << hey is that is | [15:06] |
| asciilifeform: | *it | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | naaa | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | hmn | [15:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | the original item was called "History" not "victory". this looks like a 60s reprint maybe ? | [15:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | the original item, published 1926 or such | [15:08] |
| asciilifeform: | waiwat | [15:09] |
| asciilifeform: | that's what it is, История ВКП(б) | [15:09] |
| asciilifeform: | 1934. | [15:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | oook, i found reference! lyova wrote to trotsky on 19 nov 1937, and trotsky replied jan 22 next year, they are discussing the stalin ban on the yaroslavsky item! | [15:09] |
| asciilifeform: | let's have it? | [15:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | well this may take a little, where the fuck does one find this shit online. | [15:10] |
| asciilifeform: | all i dug up is various folx contesting the authorship | [15:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | sorry asciilifeform . all i have are my own notes, which are as all hand notes useless without hte backing of the library of origin (in this case, the universitary library of cluj). teh interwebs dun seem to have a "here's the list of trotsky letters". | [15:14] |
| asciilifeform: | ( for n00bz : subj b00k became Official Truth on party history etc ) | [15:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | problem compounded by the fact that my only interest in the matter stems from an obscure mention in an post-war anti-soviet propaganda song by some guy i studied. | [15:15] |
| asciilifeform: | http://www.stalindigitalarchive.com << in other lulz | [15:15] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: moscopol ? | [15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. | [15:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform ok, other event, also from 1931 : ryazanov got outsted from his mit. aye or nay ? | [15:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3rd event, for the pattern : stalin personally wrote against the whole staff of proletarian revolution, for "trafficking trotskism". aye or nay ? | [15:16] |
| asciilifeform: | 1 at a time... | [15:17] |
| asciilifeform: | which ryazanov | [15:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | the one that lead the marx-engels institute | [15:17] |
| asciilifeform: | d. b. ryazanov aite | [15:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | david, born goldensomething or the other. guy died in 38. | [15:18] |
| asciilifeform: | ate lead yea | [15:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok so, for summation : the objection re the gazette was that it said something about rosa luxembourg (as the habit was to glorify the three l's, and stalin wanted it broken) the objection re ryazanov was that he typified a sort of marxist-leninist scholarship that was stalin-indifferent, stalin didn't like. and the objection re yaroslavski was that his original, 1920s item reflected a history not sufficiently flattering for | [15:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | stalin, by for instance daring mention that trotski was you know, minister of war, rather than consumate conspirator. | [15:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | now, your argument here is that the last two got hung but the first escaped ? | [15:20] |
| asciilifeform: | by all indications | [15:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, whether this is true or not, at the time my guy wrote it hadn't happened yet. | [15:20] |
| asciilifeform: | escaped by 'turning on a dime' when asked. | [15:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | tis possible. | [15:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | was young enough, unlike r. | [15:21] |
| asciilifeform: | the observation re stalin rm -rf / 'ing the well-developed wot pre-dating him, is old hat and entirely tru | [15:21] |
| asciilifeform: | though i will add that if there had been not a stalin, and this were not done, su would look like zimbabwe (or, charitably, argentina et al) | [15:23] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc we had the thread. | [15:23] |
| asciilifeform: | old man iosif vissarionovich nixed the luxembourgs, lenins, 'world revolution' crapola, leftist idiocies in the vein of 'free luvv', cancellation of money, of military ranks, of whatever semblance of order, mulched, as necessary, the kakobreklas who balked | [15:25] |
| asciilifeform: | then slaughtered the moos and out of their bone starch built industry etc. | [15:25] |
| asciilifeform: | modern historians paint the textbook edits, 'gentle suggestions', etc. as an evil, but as i see it the man went and 'tried soft power' first | [15:26] |
| asciilifeform: | this didn't work. proceeded with mulching. | [15:27] |
| asciilifeform: | beheaded ~100k or so (near as i can tell) 'pantsuits' , to make it stick. | [15:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, the interest of the historian is not you know, ethical. | [15:28] |
| asciilifeform: | depends on the distance. | [15:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | i just wanna be able to decode five syllables on an ancient rca record. the man says, in romanian phonetics, "raic si slavski" | [15:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | which who the fuck are they ? | [15:29] |
| asciilifeform: | near as i can tell, the folx pissing on stalin today, divide into usefulidjits and the actively pantsuited ( who would ~prefer~ an argentina in place of su ) | [15:29] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: is it possible that he meant the czech ? | [15:30] |
| asciilifeform: | slansky | [15:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | no because he comes later. | [15:30] |
| asciilifeform: | hm. | [15:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | both historically and in the song. | [15:30] |
| asciilifeform: | when was the song ? | [15:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | now, i'm pretty sure i got them right, esenin's wife and yaroslavski. but old ro guard disagrees, | [15:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | granted disagrees with boneheaded traditions identifying the latter as this guy who was you know, active throughout the 70s and 80s. | [15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform hard to date, but between 1946 and 1958 or so. | [15:31] |
| asciilifeform: | rudolf slansky swung in '52 | [15:31] |
| asciilifeform: | after ostentatious show trial | [15:31] |
| asciilifeform: | so it could be the czech, neh | [15:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | probably during petru groza cabinet, 52 to 58 | [15:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform problem with these items is that they are one step removed from gypsy fare. the words change. | [15:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | it is customary to sing them like i tell jokes : about the persons present. | [15:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform : "Asa dupa Reichxxiii si Slavskyxxiv Stalin curata pe Slanskyxxv iar Malenkov pe Beriaxxvi, ca sa nu-l mai supere cu peria." << whole verse. | [15:33] |
| asciilifeform: | hmm | [15:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | so after reich and slavski, stalin executed slansky, and malenkov beria to no longer bother him with the brush. | [15:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | this verse was not written in one day. | [15:33] |
| asciilifeform: | gotta wonder from where author drew his input | [15:34] |
| asciilifeform: | to where his light cone even extended. | [15:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty much literal fascists. | [15:35] |
| asciilifeform: | but which fascists. | [15:35] |
| asciilifeform: | ( nor does being a fascist automagically give you a window into the shooting cellar, and name of every d00d on the conveyor, lol, in real time ) | [15:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | as for eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697137 | [15:35] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-08-11 18:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, he was bishop of cluj and nearly ended up patriarch | [15:35] |
| asciilifeform: | upstack, http://www.stalindigitalarchive.com/frontend/node/3#tag=VKP has supposed scans of original drafts, stalin's red ink, correspondence, relating to subj b00k. but the yale people want a reg and asciilifeform can't be arsed. | [15:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [15:37] |
| asciilifeform: | this item reminds asciilifeform of his highschool thesis-thing, which was a massive dig into the primary docs re lysenko | [15:38] |
| asciilifeform: | who, interestingly, today has his defenders. iirc we had the thread. | [15:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you know of any other possible candidate to fill the sound /slavskʲ/ ? | [15:40] |
| asciilifeform: | ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646050 << thread, iirc ) | [15:40] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-19 15:49 asciilifeform: let's briefly visit another time, place : the showdown between lysenko and vavilov. | [15:40] |
| asciilifeform: | hmm | [15:40] |
| asciilifeform: | http://www.veteranrosatom.ru/articles/articles_276.html << surely not him | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | doesn't seem likely does it. | [15:42] |
| asciilifeform: | nope. | [15:42] |
| asciilifeform: | i suspect we have a bitrot artifact. | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you recall the now-famous davai zdreantsa incident ? | [15:43] |
| asciilifeform: | per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684571 ? | [15:43] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-07-15 19:08 mircea_popescu: this is done universally and to everything, german, russian, turkish. zdreantsa! | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683806 prolly better link | [15:44] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-07-14 20:19 phf: apparently the complete form is "davai zdreanta, desdemona! -- kakoy zdreanta, otela, blya??" | [15:44] |
| asciilifeform: | aa yea | [15:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | i find all 1943 cases of cancer highly suspect. | [15:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | for that money reich also had cancer of the phnatom udder. | [15:56] |
| asciilifeform: | but not of stroke, or typhoid ? | [15:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | less, somehow. | [15:56] |
| asciilifeform: | i mean, if we're still doing yaroslavsky, as far as available data goes, d00d lived and died a bootlick | [15:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | died 1943. | [15:57] |
| asciilifeform: | i've nothing against a version where he Had To Have Problems, but currently not seeing anything that'd point in that direction | [15:59] |
| asciilifeform: | i can see even why stalin might've nailed kirov, his personal friend | [16:00] |
| asciilifeform: | but yaroslavsky - nfi why | [16:00] |
| mats: | in my experience not every unit had a weapon system suited to the designated marksman role, which can often just be the guy with the most accuracy and an acog scope, or a saw gunner, or a 240b | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718796 << re this, the ~whole objection re trump is that he didn't go into the first press conference with "1. nobody who worked for us govt in the past five years can continue to do so 2. i will propose at most one name to congress. they have 48 hour to approve. if i don't propose, or they don't approve, or they approve in 48h01m, the whole dept in question gets unwound, including by publ | [16:01] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-30 19:26 asciilifeform: modern historians paint the textbook edits, 'gentle suggestions', etc. as an evil, but as i see it the man went and 'tried soft power' first | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | ic auction of furniture". and then cleared the hall of pressjews with the mounted police, breaking as many heads as at all possible. | [16:01] |
| mats: | poverty of equipment, my platoon didn't have one but some others did | [16:01] |
| asciilifeform: | mats: so who and where carries the .308 a10 or what was it | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | mats "ar-15 entirely exists because weak-ass usian soldier ersatzes can't carry a proper gun. true or false ?" | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's my understanding of it, "we'll delegate small arms supression fire to the a-10 airborne platform, and then discontinue it. soldiers can carry icecream cones." | [16:02] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: iirc smallbulletism began in early '60s, and a continuation of german crackpottery, sturmgewehr 'intermediate' | [16:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | just about the time the new generation of orwell bedwetters started whining about how they're affraid of the enemy. | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | so yes, joan baez days. | [16:03] |
| asciilifeform: | the 'wound'em, not kill, tie up 3 men' thing has merit, neh | [16:03] |
| asciilifeform: | plus the 'if yer mostly laying down suppressivefire, smaller bullet worx as well as gigantic' | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | neh. because if you're behind a concrete wall and i'm behind a concrete wall, i'd rather unzip and piss on you than try and fire a shitass 5mm gun | [16:04] |
| mats: | asciilifeform: i never encountered it but i wasn't infantry, we didn't have a use for it, snipers had m24 | [16:04] |
| asciilifeform: | drilling through concrete is for work for squad machinegun, neh, not for small arm | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | is that the remington 700 re-sold for 5x the list price ? | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform the theory of this sounds a lot different from the practice of this. | [16:05] |
| mats: | mircea_popescu: works well in iraqi cities, not so much in afghan | [16:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | the only extra hole in my hide i acquired through ricochet under car, nearly lost a knee. | [16:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | if it were small it'd never have made it. | [16:05] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: you weighed it when it came out of the meat ? | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | i even kept it a while. | [16:06] |
| asciilifeform: | which round was it | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | was but fragment. | [16:06] |
| asciilifeform: | aa | [16:06] |
| asciilifeform: | then who knows which | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | what, you think the op survived to carry the source away ? | [16:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | what is this. | [16:07] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun think mircea_popescu ever told the story, aside from the detail where he had an extra hole. so nfi. | [16:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | mircea_popescu irrespective, the point remains that in most actual engagements, there's a minimum projectile size worth firing. | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | also the notion that wounded men stop firing, and limp around like little bitches is borne of little familiarity with any actual war. | [16:08] |
| asciilifeform: | usg army is built for panamas, not stalingrads. | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | at which point revisiting http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ is probably apropos. doods were firing at helicopters with enough lead inside to make a set of toy soldiers. | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | but anyway : the "wounded man ties up 3 soldiers", other than the baked in presumptions that these are the caring kind of soldiers and the inept kind of wounded, also neglects to mention that ricochet has killed more people than direct fire since the invention of gunpowder. and by a factor of 10 to 100, not piddly. | [16:11] |
| asciilifeform: | what's mircea_popescu's hypothesis re why su army did not see through smallbulletism , and adopted ? | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | why did su not see through atomic bomb, and adopted ? | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | su suffered from chinese disease of monkeying tv. | [16:13] |
| asciilifeform: | bomb was a good deal tho | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | in what sense ? | [16:13] |
| asciilifeform: | 'touch moscow, lose london' | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | you think anyone gives a flying fuck ? | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | srsly now. youi think anyone cared ? then or now ? london, really ? | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | you ever been ? | [16:14] |
| asciilifeform: | never been, and 0 plans | [16:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | so from your pov, already lost ? | [16:14] |
| asciilifeform: | proverbial!11 london. as in, separate addr for every particular derp with napoleonic ambitions | [16:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | nothing wrong with "wasting" money, in the sense of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711187 yhes good for them, got bomb, got into rocketry, won space race etc. | [16:15] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-07 16:12 mircea_popescu: there can be no further accomplishment than this, in the sense of fundamental research. | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | but this is not really decided on the merits, is it. | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe through fielding 3mm bullets and peashooters for them they discover a new way to please the females, insert into urethra and empty magazine. | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | if this were to happen it still wouldn't be an argument for the military value of shooting pea. | [16:16] |
| asciilifeform: | lol | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | on the strict, first layer implications, soviets eating the bomb bait produced some rich us contractors and a bankrupt su economy. | [16:17] |
| asciilifeform: | and if not eaten, quite probably would've been glassed some time in 50s-60s. | [16:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | this has little value, obviously, exactly in the sense cancer prevention has little value. "oh we stopped smoking and yet" http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-25#1716989 what could be the explanatuion!!! | [16:18] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-25 09:43 mircea_popescu: aand in yet more lulz : cancer incidence increased in us adolescents by a steady 0.5 - 0.6% per year, each year, since 1975. | [16:18] |
| asciilifeform: | ( or 'democratized', panamized. ) | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | obviously the fucking explanation is that the sort of bioscum that get cancer from smoking will still get the cancer from other things ifthey can't get it from smoking | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | doh. | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform arguably it was so democratized anyway. bombs didn't do jack did they. | [16:19] |
| asciilifeform: | if a great pistolero, attacked by none, grows senile and finally slips in bathtub, it does not say anything re value of pistol. | [16:19] |
| asciilifeform: | pistol is not immortality pill. | [16:20] |
| asciilifeform: | and everybody, people, empires -- gotta die of sumthing. | [16:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought the whole fucking point of politics was to discover the thing that needn't die. | [16:21] |
| asciilifeform: | and if one is not indifferent re how to die, on knees or standing -- then pistol is valuable. | [16:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | else why even fucking bother with any thing at all. | [16:21] |
| asciilifeform: | lol, why bother to clean kitchen when don't have thousandyearreich yet ? | [16:22] |
| asciilifeform: | what is this, gabriel_laddel ? | [16:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean "Any thing at all" in the way of politics. | [16:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | if this form of organziation, govt, what you call it, society, ANYTHING does not come with promise of permanence, why am i even considering it ? | [16:22] |
| asciilifeform: | imho kitchen 1st, 1000yr reich 2nd. in politics or in engine maintenance or wherever. | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | go fix it first and bother me when you have. | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | until then, no need of any of it. | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other words, the mp strong argument for anarchism : the only regime that may be temporary is anarchism. | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | anything else, must make strong case for permanence. | [16:23] |
| asciilifeform: | proof of permanence are to be requested from the splenduferious goddess on olympus, or where. | [16:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, i'm not invested in this. | [16:24] |
| asciilifeform: | they dun have'em on my homeplanet. | [16:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | when they find them, they can notify. | [16:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | if the rule is "to fly with apparatus heavier than air must generate lift in excess of weight", there's no rider going "but tell us where to find such lift". | [16:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | find it and ye may fly find it not and stfu in a chorus. | [16:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718873 if it wasn't obvious the reason it's famous is the https://www.facebook.com/remingtonarmscompany/videos/1863133148249/ vs https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/17/states-join-objections-to-remington-rifle-settlement.html lulz. | [17:03] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-30 20:04 mircea_popescu: is that the remington 700 re-sold for 5x the list price ? | [17:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | (remington 700 fires without trigger interaction longstanding problem, hundreds of deaths/injuries, multiple lawsuits. cca 1995-2005 remington kept pushing out "point by point responses" and other nonsense, which they've meanwhile beleeted throughout, including spam domains a la remington700.tv and such "deniable" efforts "by consultants". in 2017, half the DAs oppose a settlement on the grounds that insufficient. | [17:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | as far as remington isconcerned however, a proposal to replace ~8mn triggers is not a recall! | [17:06] |
| asciilifeform: | hey, ppsh fired when dropped | [17:19] |
| asciilifeform: | would discharge the whole drum, even | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. | [17:49] |
| BingoBoingo: | !~bcstats | [20:56] |
| jhvh1: | BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 487744 | Current Difficulty: 1.103400932964E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 487871 | Next Difficulty In: 127 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 43 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None | [20:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's new elaineo | [22:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up elaineo | [22:57] |
| deedbot: | elaineo voiced for 30 minutes. | [22:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's it say ? | [22:57] |
| elaineo: | i got the OTP through PM | [22:58] |
| elaineo: | but no response after decrypting msg | [22:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [22:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | trinque is deedbot sick ? i notice he kinda quit doing the rss also | [22:58] |
| elaineo: | deedbot is a dude? | [22:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | elaineo did you say something just like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717369 to it ? except diff numbers of course ? | [22:59] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-26 04:39 mircea_popescu: !!v D4088521A7610AB73BAEDE6391EB686B1BDAD174263DFECC60AD9707A0674ECD | [22:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, deedbot is an actual bot oglafbot is an actual dude. | [22:59] |
| elaineo: | forgot the 'v', my mistake | [23:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | a | [23:01] |
| elaineo: | is qntra still a thing? | [23:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, but it has joined the chorus invisible for the time being. | [23:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | gotta get hosting sorted out. | [23:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | "Nobody becomes a software engineer because they love writing code they become a software engineer because it allows them to build out ideas." << this is not so in my experience. from what i've seen in others, and certainyl in my own case, we become engineers because everythinf everyone else does is shit. | [23:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | i came out of retirement for like the third fucking time to design non-crap items asciilifeform narrowly avoided the bottle because apparently there were some people somewhere actually engineering, as opposed to tubgirling all over themnselves. and so following. | [23:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | (btw, check out how sentence references work on trilema : http://trilema.com/2017/the-masters-textbook-why-do-girls-seek-you-out/#selection-39.0-39.40 ) | [23:06] |
| elaineo: | is your intention to show others how to build things properly, or to solve your own problems because no one is doing it for you? | [23:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | the latter. | [23:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is a matter of incontrovertible fact, signed by the hand of the author himself : if i didn't HAVE TO write http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm and such, nobody "involved in bitcoin" would even know my name. | [23:08] |
| elaineo: | that's probably a better way of saying what i meant to say, then | [23:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno how common this case is in general but i guarantee it is the only case where it actually matters, which is to say at the top. that's why torvalds got off ass, that's why rich got off ass, pick any one of the actually competent. | [23:09] |
| elaineo: | why did you feel compelled to write "In re Bitcoin Devs are idiots" ? did code stop sucking after that post? | [23:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | it did not stop sucking, no. but it did suck then. | [23:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | "If youre a Venture Capitalist, the last thing you want is for your child to go into wage slavery." << more in the same vein. i do take the tack you recommend ("you have no choice in the matter the bullwhip is right over there if this doesn't translate otherwise") with my own slavegirls, in a limited sense, thereby forcing them to proficiency in ~certain aspects~ of software engineering. those aspects are exactly those a | [23:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | lligned with the above -- woman, you have to be able to think clearly, and correctly, and when i say "take no crap from anyone, be it wikipedia or your mom", i actually mean ~something~. it's not a ra ra ra, it's an actually specified artefact, it belongs in engineering, with process assurance and quality control and all that jazz, not as part of a pep rally. | [23:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | being a ~competent~ engineer, of any kind, can't possibly be a regression. it's intellectually required for human life. | [23:17] |
| elaineo: | why do your slavegirls submit to you? one can easily imagine an alternate universe where your slavegirls mistakenly chose a master that whips em in another direction | [23:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | one could indeed readily so imagine doesn't take much. | [23:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | amusingly, 3k word answer to your q is quoted above, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1718967 | [23:20] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-01 03:06 mircea_popescu: (btw, check out how sentence references work on trilema : http://trilema.com/2017/the-masters-textbook-why-do-girls-seek-you-out/#selection-39.0-39.40 ) | [23:20] |
| elaineo: | "because you're capable of making silence, annulling the noise such that they can focus on the things that actually matter, to them." | [23:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha! | [23:21] |
| * mircea_popescu | is happy with that as a one line summary. | [23:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | "The most important tech skill, then, isnt computers or engineering Its the art of getting paid to control vast amounts of money." << this then is rank nonsense on the level of "the best car is one with a really powerful engine". really, no steering needed ? brakes optional ? some people are good at finance, some people are horrible at it. yes, fixing your head so you don't suck at finance is absolute requirement fo | [23:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | r human completeness. fixing your head so you don't suck at engineering is earlier stop on the same road. first, you learn to walk, THEN you learn to fuck. "the most important skill" is a discussion of age and station appropriateness, naught else. | [23:24] |
| elaineo: | who is "you" in this piece? yourself, mircea_popescu? or self-perceived masters in general? | [23:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | elaineo well, a master, i expect. but not self perceived, perception dun enter into it. substantial master. | [23:24] |
| elaineo: | oh come on. why would fixing your head so you don't suck at engineering be a prerequisite? Did you learn to be a good slavegirl before you could be a master? | [23:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, i did not. but the reason is unrelated : engineering deals with discrete, concrete items, before your eyes. finance deals with complex systems of such items. | [23:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | trying to "understand thermodynamics" without any shits given for the atomic theory will result in tears. | [23:26] |
| BingoBoingo: | <elaineo> "because you're capable of making silence, annulling the noise such that they can focus on the things that actually matter, to them." << This makes those iDiot slabs anti-Master! | [23:28] |
| elaineo: | @mircea_popescu having never worked in finance, i suppose i'll take your word for it, for now | [23:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | moreover, consider the case of mr hruschev of the soviets vs mr lee of the singaporeans. it is a factual matter that no one to date had control, properly called financial in this context, of more resources than hruschev. nor probably ever will. what good did it do him ? and lee started with two old boats and some captured rats. he grilled the rats, sold them and went from there, completing one of the very few cases documented | [23:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | to date of that ancient boyish dream of you know, "trading toothpicks for car parts and those for plastic bags and so on until trillionaire!" | [23:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | but this aside, you familiar with the general fate of lottery winners ? | [23:32] |
| elaineo: | yes, i am | [23:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | having a large army behind you (and money is strictly nothing but) is, obviously, an important ingredient in gaining battlefield glory and the laurels of caesar. | [23:33] |
| elaineo: | lottery winners not really comparable, since they are not competent in finance, engineering, or much of anything | [23:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | no argument here. however, crassus was ill served by his army at carrhae. | [23:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | elaineo but they do control outsized chunks of money. | [23:34] |
| elaineo: | look at the rothschilds & rockefellers | [23:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | i am looking. what am i expected to see ? | [23:34] |
| elaineo: | they controlled outsized chunks of money, and thus human labor | [23:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is a dubious statement of the actual history of the matter. | [23:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | consider it from this angle : for 1 point, who was emperor maximillian for 1 point, what did he order be done to his artillery pieces and in which town for a further point who happened to live there and for the remainder 6 poins, why did you not say his name ? | [23:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | when you pick two examples but fail to pick the proper one among them, teacher knows you didnt actually do the reading. | [23:37] |
| elaineo: | 0 points for me | [23:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | jakob fugger was the proper example for this "rich man financing the dissolution of medieval system into industrial society". and the emperor had his artillery wheels bound in hay so as to not disturb his sleep. | [23:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | this may suggest that "human capital" was of no importance, value or interest. what mattered was ailleurs. | [23:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | now then -- the iliterate migrant worker who wins 100mn worth of powerball you would have learn how to read and write so the shysters won't trick him with contracts. this makes sense. yet the innocent daughter of a VC you wouldn't have understand engineering, so the shysters won't feed her crap in their description of "reality" ? what's this girl to do if she ever has to fix her car, pay 8k for a new johnson rod, like george | [23:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | costanza ? | [23:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am8mbOeKBzE << teh johnson rod. | [23:43] |
| elaineo: | understanding engineering is a subset of what it takes to not be a moron, which is a subset of what it takes to be a VC | [23:44] |
| elaineo: | what mattered was ailleurs. | [23:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | tell ? | [23:45] |
| elaineo: | oh, i dunno. just copied & pasted a sentence from what you said above. | [23:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol, what's that, some google ai thing ? | [23:47] |
| elaineo: | cargo cult arguing-on-the-internet | [23:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | ailleurs there is a reference to "la joie c'est ailleurs", which is my own reprocessing of "la vie est ailleurs", which is a kundera novel, and the yarn of reference, criticism and tongue in cheekness does continue | [23:48] |
| elaineo: | was anyone expected to understand that reference aside from yourself? | [23:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. everyone was expected to understand the reference. | [23:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | dja ever read milan kundera btw ? | [23:49] |
| elaineo: | nope | [23:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, too bad. i'd expect you'd like him, seems to me exactly in your style. | [23:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | though granted this may be more a description of my poor understanding of selfsame styler. | [23:50] |
| elaineo: | interesting... i'll check out one of his books | [23:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | so supposing you were going to teach me about capitalism ... what would you say ? | [23:52] |
| elaineo: | i've never been an investor so i don't know what it takes to be successful at one. i suppose it starts with understanding supply, demand, transaction costs | [23:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [23:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | eh, i find it hard to believe you can live in bay area and not be an investor. don't they force-feed everyone stocks, options, etcetera as part of employment there ? | [23:54] |
| elaineo: | i get stock options, but i don't think that makes me an investor. stock options are like S&H greenstamps, where you feel like you're getting something valuable for free but you're not | [23:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, technically the definition of investor, neh ? one who owns commercial paper in excess of 0 cash nominal value. | [23:56] |
| elaineo: | by that definition, sure. though it doesn't really make me diversified. | [23:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | i expect not. so why do you expect other people/parents who don't even have enough sense to find #trilema could teach their kids anything, including how to make mayo ? leaving aside something as intricate as capitalism. | [23:57] |
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