Forum logs for 01 Apr 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
ben_vulpes: nuts, mod6 [00:24]
ben_vulpes: no pressure, but that's wild how your mom archived everything manually [00:24]
ben_vulpes: and maybe even read it all holy crap [00:25]
ben_vulpes: highly relevant: [00:26]
a111: Logged on 2014-08-06 00:42 mike_c: i have been in the newspaper multiple times, and i have been in trilema posts multiple times. one of these means more than the other, but I can only show my mother the newspaper clippings :) [00:26]
* ben_vulpes is amaze at the contrast [00:26]
mircea_popescu: !!up tobi [00:53]
deedbot: tobi voiced for 30 minutes. [00:53]
mircea_popescu: !!key tobi [00:53]
deedbot: Not registered. [00:53]
mircea_popescu: !!key peter__ [00:53]
deedbot: [00:53]
mircea_popescu: !!key tobi_ [00:53]
deedbot: [00:53]
mircea_popescu: !!up nacci [00:54]
deedbot: nacci voiced for 30 minutes. [00:54]
BingoBoingo: !!deed [01:01]
deedbot: << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) March 2017 Report [01:01]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [01:02]
mircea_popescu: << we'll live. [01:05]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 00:34 mod6: quick update. with all the running around i've been doing for my mom last few days, totally forgot to write up the SoBA. It might be out a day late. Or.. maybe not. [01:05]
mircea_popescu: << o.O that's so sweet! [01:06]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 00:55 mod6: and reads the SoBAs. she had a three-ring binder for each full of articles, etc. trilema too. [01:06]
mircea_popescu: mod6 tell urmom best compliments from the republic assembled! [01:09]
phf: "are you boys up to no good? -- no, mam" [01:12]
shinohai: "Are you building an Interocitor?" "NO!" [01:15]
BingoBoingo: [01:29]
mircea_popescu: phf is this the "i thought you were smoking" ? [01:33]
BingoBoingo: mod6: Any local news ur mom would like to see Qntra cover? [01:33]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the titty bar... [01:36]
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> no pressure, but that's wild how your mom archived everything manually << ikr!? [01:41]
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 tell urmom best compliments from the republic assembled! << will do! [01:42]
mod6: <+phf> "are you boys up to no good? -- no, mam" << haha. I think she thinks we're doing great things, and have a just cause. [01:42]
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> mod6: Any local news ur mom would like to see Qntra cover? << Nothing in particular at this time. [01:48]
mod6: Will let you know though if she requests anything. [01:48]
BingoBoingo: No local grudge is too petty if the right person cares to have it covered! [01:50]
BingoBoingo: Because then it's no longer petty [01:50]
ben_vulpes: graham now funding...forums: [02:30]
lobbes: << congrats shinohai, Framedragger [02:52]
lobbes: and thanks for teh honorable mention, danielpbarron [02:53]
lobbes: !!v 2DC6A113DB8D7CBC08C8DDB05B59B0AD1A90FA6BA89FC02BA8CFABFA5F6059BE [04:00]
deedbot: lobbes rated danielpbarron 2 << A pillar of the current Euloran economy, and longtime Republican. I also enjoyed his Super Mario Brothers 3 article [04:00]
lobbes: !!v 17FB71B17EB779891AED55AC20F8187FF957E18001577557151F8014F0097B73 [04:00]
deedbot: lobbes rated hanbot 2 << Her writings on the Tardstalk forums many years ago aided in freeing me from the matrix. I will always be grateful [04:00]
lobbes: !!v 69A1DFBC5E9F82BF8AB928ED0CEED7D9F208D28B86068B2643BE89AE4211DA82 [04:01]
deedbot: lobbes rated diana_coman 3 << She's done massive work over in Eulora (e.g. foxybot). Very intelligent and often willing to shepard noobs [04:01]
lobbes: !!v 838159EA40B557D46C32147C5EDC78A2E4681885C3F386F8AADB16B312AAB3C8 [04:01]
deedbot: lobbes updated rating of mircea_popescu from 2 to 4 << Enzyme Supreme [04:01]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, >> communal flats soon to be sop in usa. [10:09]
asciilifeform: ( in re ) [10:10]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 22:30 asciilifeform: re shortages, lulzy trend in washington region of building block after block after block of cardboard condo towers ~which then stand dark, for years on end~ continues [10:10]
shinohai: "If you prefer a grittier vibe, you can put down roots at Potrero 1010, where you can see (and hear) the traffic on I-280 rattle away beneath your window." [10:12]
shinohai: Where do I sign up? [10:12]
* shinohai salutes all reading the logs this morning with:, though is quite impressive. [10:15]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 05:36 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the titty bar... [10:15]
shinohai: <<< ty lobbes, cheers! o/ [10:16]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 06:52 lobbes: << congrats shinohai, Framedragger [10:16]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1668...7179 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( US OH) [10:16]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1582...0207 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( US OH) [10:16]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, plagiarism of #trilema logz remains a mega-sport, evidently, [10:20]
mircea_popescu: << so on re-read it occurs to me ben_vulpes should prolly be the lord mimisbrunnr ? [11:09]
shinohai: Fitting, also if I may make slight spelling correction `be` is used twice in the Framedragger entry. [11:11]
shinohai: Oh wait. [11:12]
mircea_popescu: it is ? [11:12]
shinohai: " I propose be be inducted as the Lord Scanner." [11:13]
mircea_popescu: a ty [11:13]
shinohai: Thought my eyes were playing tricks on me this morning, after a long night staring at tits. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: the one other item is ... jurov fell off as lord treasurer. i dun exactly recall why or wherefore but he is STILL holding a considerable sum for the foundation, and moreover why sohuldn't he be a lord ? [11:22]
mircea_popescu: jurov did you not want on the l1 or something ? [11:22]
* shinohai imagines mircea_popescu taking one of his girls to those sweet Costa Rican beaches: [11:26]
asciilifeform: i have nothing against jurov, but do wonder why he does nearly all of his speaking in ye olde #b-a [11:26]
mircea_popescu: shinohai actually you're in luck, writing qntra report nao next piece will be about one of the girls picking costa rican bitches. [11:26]
shinohai: My lucky day, it is. [11:26]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this can't be a consideration can it ? [11:26]
asciilifeform: not as such [11:27]
mircea_popescu: mebbe it's the private hall he figures. on the long term everyone's going to do the majority of lines in his own hall i imagine [11:27]
mircea_popescu: he favours* i mean. [11:27]
asciilifeform: can lordly hall be a dumpster in alley ? [11:29]
mircea_popescu: wherever the lord wants. [11:29]
mircea_popescu: what, i'm not to consider petruchio ? because why not ? [11:30]
asciilifeform: 0 reason. [11:30]
mircea_popescu: can't really have a fucking code of conduct. beyond "don't be offensively stupid" i can'\t imagine. he might even be gay or not wear a tie! [11:30]
deedbot: << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) March 2017 Statement [11:53]
mircea_popescu: ^ shares added also [11:57]
mthreat: mircea_popescu: te fuiste de argentina? [12:02]
mircea_popescu: si si [12:03]
mthreat: for good? [12:03]
mircea_popescu: i will not set foot in that accursed shithole without a bunch of people carrying pikes [12:03]
mircea_popescu: to loosen the rectal cavities of the monkeys indigent. [12:03]
mthreat: wow ok.. and you're in CR? [12:04]
* mircea_popescu had nfi idea what racism is and imagined it's mostly pretended. not so. i HATE argentines, fundamentally, and the only reason there's not 40 mn corpses in limed pits right now is that i don't have the pits. [12:04]
mircea_popescu: mthreat aha. [12:04]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: previously i thought 'equator --> retarded, guaranteed' -- turns out, no ? [12:05]
mthreat: cool [12:05]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform turns out no. "watching us tv -> retarded, guaranteed". [12:05]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or is it just that bananistan has no pretenses of industry, etc [12:05]
mircea_popescu: though in fairness the argentines have been argentining for a whole lot longer than cable tv existed. they're just bad stock. [12:06]
* mthreat seeing how many nautical miles CR is from Texas [12:06]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it HAS!!!11 pretenses of industry. if you ask the average fucktard they think themselves an industrialized nation. irl they farm soy and try to borrow for a living. [12:06]
mircea_popescu: mthreat defo within range. [12:06]
asciilifeform: wait, soy in cr also ?! [12:06]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought we were discussing argentina. [12:07]
asciilifeform: aah [12:07]
asciilifeform: i meant 'cr and ar are both bananistans, but ar has pretense of industry' [12:07]
mthreat: 1379 nautical miles. 1 fuel stop minimum, probably more, unless I want to fly directly over the gulf [12:07]
mircea_popescu: cr is a tiny nation, doesn't need to do anything in particular to survive. but at least they have the intelligence to produce cash crops like coffee rathert than commodity crops like fucking soy. [12:07]
mircea_popescu: mthreat why wouldn't you ? [12:07]
mthreat: i would, once I get a life raft :) [12:07]
mircea_popescu: eh get out. for one thing the gulf is so fucking populated you'd be picked up in three hours. for the other, the thing flies better over water. [12:08]
mircea_popescu: pack a vest. [12:08]
mircea_popescu: raft is for being dropped in behring straight. [12:08]
mthreat: water ditchings are pretty survivable, but on a non-retractable plane like mine, the risk of flipping over is real [12:09]
mthreat: if I can add 1 hour to the travel time and eliminate that risk, sometimes it's worth it [12:09]
mthreat: i wouldn't only pack a life vest, i'd wear it the whole flight! [12:09]
mircea_popescu: afaik landing is the killer. if you get to land 1 hour fresher it's also worth the risk. [12:10]
asciilifeform: mthreat: non-retractable?! what do you have, a sopwith camel ? [12:10]
mthreat: well, any portion over open water [12:10]
mircea_popescu: mthreat that was the idea lol. [12:10]
mthreat: asciilifeform: columbia 400 [12:10]
mthreat: but sopwith camel would be nice, guns and all [12:10]
mircea_popescu: ehehe [12:10]
shinohai: The only person I have ever met that hated Argentines more than mircea_popescu was this girl I dated from Chile .... but evidently there is this long-standing hatred between the dos paises. [12:10]
mircea_popescu: why the fuck can't they call the cessna a cessna [12:10]
mircea_popescu: shinohai no, they just don't belong irl. girl has a point. [12:11]
asciilifeform: and why does it cost 3x what the albatross (jet!) does [12:11]
mthreat: actually it technically is a cessna 400 now, since 2008 [12:11]
mthreat: but it was built by columbia before cessna acquired them [12:11]
mircea_popescu: aite. [12:11]
mircea_popescu: anyway, check it out, only 1.2k miles autonomy. [12:12]
mthreat: asciilifeform: you're probably referring to the brand-new price. the cessna 400 is a "certificated" aircraft, which means it costs more because it had to go through more FAA testing [12:12]
mthreat: the albatros is under an "experimental" certificate, so it isn't subject to the same testing in the US [12:12]
asciilifeform: mthreat: what does that get you ? license to carry passengers in usa ? [12:12]
mthreat: (since it was never certificated in the US) [12:12]
mircea_popescu: mthreat i might recommend eg villahermosa in mexico. or veracruz. [12:12]
mthreat: you can carry passengers with either plane. [12:13]
asciilifeform: then why would anybody pay the megabux for the 'certificated' [12:13]
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world worx. [12:13]
mthreat: mircea_popescu: i plan to do a bunch of flying to mexico soon. I flew along the rio grande a few weeks ago and my right wing was practically in mexico [12:13]
asciilifeform: 'The 400 has a certified airframe maximum life of 25,200 flight hours.' << lol! [12:13]
mircea_popescu: mthreat so that works then. you ever been in cr ? [12:13]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform airframes are rarely the problem. [12:14]
mthreat: asciilifeform: many people don't - they fly "experimentals" and save lots of money [12:14]
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, anyone flew wioth the 737-800 LATEST version ? [12:14]
mthreat: 25k hours is a lot. the highest columbia probably has under 5k hours even today. [12:14]
mircea_popescu: the thing's shockingly fabulous, i've never had that "This is an exquisite piece of machinery" feeling in any commercial plane before. [12:15]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure i was on the 737-800. but in the miser section, naturally [12:15]
mircea_popescu: the latest though. [12:15]
mthreat: ya the -800 is pretty new right [12:15]
mircea_popescu: it's been revised and revised since the 80s. but they came up with some exceptional engine couplings in the last (2015 ?) iteration [12:15]
asciilifeform: dunno if latest. it looked quite fresh. [12:15]
mircea_popescu: it just shocked me, i have nfi how pilots don't kill to drive it, but the thing flows like an audi. [12:16]
asciilifeform: the comp flies it. [12:16]
mircea_popescu: not on eg, takeoff [12:16]
asciilifeform: tru [12:17]
mircea_popescu: mthreat so have yo uever been in cr ? [12:26]
ben_vulpes: << "of the well" more pleasingly esoteric imho [12:37]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 15:09 mircea_popescu: << so on re-read it occurs to me ben_vulpes should prolly be the lord mimisbrunnr ? [12:37]
mircea_popescu: what, "Lord of the Well" ? [12:38]
ben_vulpes: mhm [12:38]
* mircea_popescu steels himself for when someone's gonna want to be the lord of right good and proper. [12:38]
ben_vulpes: just wait for lady of the coven [12:39]
shinohai: Only if of right good and proper shaggings [12:39]
ben_vulpes: the whimsy dun matter terrifically [12:41]
deedbot: << Trilema - The story of Friday [13:37]
shinohai: <<< lulzy but the fingerprint shit isn't so secure either. [14:29]
* CompanionCube doesn't think the FPGA article plagiarises #trilema logz but I should most likely read/searc more to be confident about that [14:31]
trinque: did you search logs before thinking that? [14:37]
jurov: I think I can function equally well without titles. And if people stop obsessing about where I am speaking, the better. [14:37]
jurov: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ^ [14:38]
trinque: nope nope, Lord Gildedbuns [14:40]
jurov: Thank you ben_vulpes and BingoBoingo for support but I'm kinda on ongoing sabbatical anyway. [14:43]
doppler: << haha, check out my broken fonts [14:43]
trinque: one eyed wotmonster grew a beard [14:45]
mod6: jurov: Are you going to continue with your duties as Foundation Treasurer? [15:05]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> the one other item is ... jurov fell off as lord treasurer. i dun exactly recall why or wherefore but he is STILL holding a considerable sum for the foundation, and moreover why sohuldn't he be a lord ? <- based on the work he did/does as far as I know it, I think he should be on the list that being said, my understanding was that he got dropped due to [15:13]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-03 01:59 mircea_popescu: more like a "people responsible enough to understand the difference between 'people on tilt' and 'voices of reason'". otherwise i enjoy talking with a wide selection of folks. women, even! [15:13]
jurov: and we are to revisit that every year? [15:18]
diana_coman: if it's settled/clear either way, certainly not [15:19]
trinque: nah, and I'd be surprised if your welcome weren't unanimous [15:19]
trinque: ftr I don't see a problem with jurov being on sabbatical if he returns [15:20]
trinque: what, lord can't vacation? [15:20]
diana_coman: my understanding is that a position is a person's to claim whenever he wants to/cares to, so sabbatical is certainly not a problem at all [15:23]
danielpbarron: I have no objection to jurov as lord. all my interaction with him has been positive over the years. very clean migration of some of my assets from coinbr to eulora [15:26]
mod6: I have no objections at all. Just curious if 'sabbatical' entailed a long enough absense to warrant someone else taking over as Foundation Treasurer. [15:33]
mod6: Hopefully not, as jurov has completed his duties very well thus far. [15:34]
shinohai: <<< Fortunately all my clients are safe and accounted for. [15:38]
jurov: mod6: the treasurer duty is very light one, so it's not a problem at all [15:42]
* CompanionCube would be interested in reading deedbot's source at some point [15:46]
mod6: jurov: aha, ok good deal! [15:46]
trinque: CompanionCube: [15:49]
trinque: wot service shall be posted there at some unspecified future date [15:49]
CompanionCube: trinque: RSS too? [15:50]
trinque: I mean, I'm not going to post every trivial thing [15:51]
CompanionCube: makes sense [15:51]
trinque: if your thing can insert into pg, it can talk to logbot. [15:52]
shinohai: I've been playing with it some to learn lisp, was thinking of switching jhvh1 over at some point. [15:52]
trinque: neato [15:57]
* shinohai also thanks trinque for pushing him to new frontiers that day in the other chan ... [16:00]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in carpeting, [16:04]
mircea_popescu: << there's this ancient mp idea / article about giving "student" chicks free rent in exchange for living in all-glass no-clothes arrangements. make shop windows great again. [16:06]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 14:09 asciilifeform: in other lulz, >> communal flats soon to be sop in usa. [16:06]
mircea_popescu: "Each of HomeShare’s hundreds of tenants gets about 55 square feet along with half a closet, half a bathroom, and a compact common area shared with a roommate and usually two other flatmates, slumbering in the unit’s other divided bedroom." << how's this supposed to be preferable to simple, honest to god sexual slavery is anyone's guess. [16:07]
mircea_popescu: but i guess the natural solution "doesn't scale". [16:07]
mircea_popescu: << why not ? just default assumption, "$random-nobody came up with shit on his own" ? [16:11]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 18:31 CompanionCube doesn't think the FPGA article plagiarises #trilema logz but I should most likely read/searc more to be confident about that [16:11]
CompanionCube: mircea_popescu: imo plagiarism requires intent and knowledge - mere repetition of the idea s [16:13]
CompanionCube: *isnt' enough if you didn't originally find the idea somewhere else [16:13]
shinohai: All these lurkers aren't her for nothing! [16:13]
shinohai: *here [16:13]
mircea_popescu: what's your word for "i'm just stating stuff others have said without referencing" ? [16:13]
mircea_popescu: << looks like some default won't demean itself to the point of scaling or anythng! [16:13]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 18:43 doppler: << haha, check out my broken fonts [16:13]
mircea_popescu: << it's pretty though. that's what you get for pretty. [16:15]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 19:38 shinohai: <<< Fortunately all my clients are safe and accounted for. [16:15]
CompanionCube: mircea_popescu: coincidence or independent thought? Unless it's somewhere trivially easy to find, that is [16:16]
CompanionCube: the scale of the internet and the world makes it more likely than not. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: the problem is this : i/we don't deem $nobody capable of independent thought. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: it's just not an assumption that is made. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: either you are somebody, in which case you may have ideas or else you are nobody, in which case you stole them. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: very much as property works in the empire. [16:18]
CompanionCube: where somebody == being in the WoT/trilema? [16:19]
mircea_popescu: not necessarily. but "here's a bootstrap website" certainly dun qualify. [16:20]
mircea_popescu: that's definitionally a mfa, aka "i pick up rss feeds and wordspin for google". except here it's not for google, but for naive civillians. [16:20]
mircea_popescu: in any case, dude droning on about "his ideas re evolution" is going to make a very poor impression. as they aren't his fucking ideas, and an apparent ignorance of the whole darwin thing does not plead in favour of either his intelligence or his culture. [16:21]
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that yes, evolution is an observable phenomenon. [16:21]
mircea_popescu: CompanionCube the point of interest for all this is obviously both in-chan context an' references. [16:26]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:02 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reason there's a lot of credence in phf's perhaps harsh criticism is [16:26]
* CompanionCube reads [16:27]
deedbot: << Qntra - US Infrastructure Today: Trump's EPA Saves California Agriculture And Vagrants Drop Atlanta Bridge [16:28]
asciilifeform: << not every beastie is pet-grade. some -- kennel-grade, others -- soap-. [17:55]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 20:07 mircea_popescu: "Each of HomeShare’s hundreds of tenants gets about 55 square feet along with half a closet, half a bathroom, and a compact common area shared with a roommate and usually two other flatmates, slumbering in the unit’s other divided bedroom." << how's this supposed to be preferable to simple, honest to god sexual slavery is anyone's guess. [17:55]
mircea_popescu: yes, in actual terms. but in aspirational terms ? [17:57]
asciilifeform: what's that mean [17:57]
asciilifeform: i'd picture many of the chix would agree to join as junior deck swabbie in mircea_popescu's dirigible. but -- no such luck. (and for that matter, no such luck for the d00dz, either, in any case) [17:58]
mircea_popescu: that while not all of the us livestock is fit for either sexual slavery or "our democracy" whatever the fuck they would call their current activities "raising awareness and waiting for their day" whatever it may be -- nevertheless sexual slavery is a much more legitimate ASPIRATION than whatever they aspire to, namely "our democracy" or "speaking at a conference" or w/e the shit. [17:59]
asciilifeform: i've deeply nfi what they aspire to inside their skulls. [17:59]
asciilifeform: probably -- not the communal flat [17:59]
mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me what specifically they aspire to, but it IS clear to me that the plurious "variety" in that aspiration is strictly of the nature of the variant surface glycoproteins, protecting protozoans from the immune system [18:00]
mircea_popescu: and in any case inferior to actual sexual slavery on the face. [18:00]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd guess the closest to home summation would be "they aspire to be well regarded by an entity they can respect". [18:01]
mircea_popescu: a doomed entreprise, obviously. even the more intelligent among the herd are actively laboring to make themselves intolerable and to undermine any possiblity of even vaguely respectable entities sharing their space. [18:02]
mircea_popescu: which is pretty much how i'd sum up eg djb's recent debacle. [18:02]
jurov: !!deed [18:02]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [18:03]
mircea_popescu: !~google human babesiosis in the us [18:10]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: CDC - Babesiosis: <> CDC - Babesiosis - Data & Statistics: <> Human Babesiosis - NCBI - NIH: <> [18:10]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ^ dangers afoot. [18:10]
shinohai: !!up nacci [18:19]
deedbot: nacci voiced for 30 minutes. [18:19]
nacci: greetings [18:20]
mircea_popescu: ello [18:20]
nacci: i've taken an interest in openbsd on powerpc and found there are folks here doing just that [18:21]
nacci: [18:22]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:40 trinque: I'm clutching to hand-compiled driftwood on openbsd [18:22]
mircea_popescu: iirc danielpbarron had one [18:22]
nacci: sadly it does not appear to be well supported [18:23]
asciilifeform: as far as defunct chips go, it's exquisitely well-supported... [18:24]
nacci: the latest stable version has some regressions that people have posted about on the mailing list [18:26]
asciilifeform: microshit's sponsorship did not ~immediately~ turn openbsd to liquishit, but it is foolish to expect that it can withstand infinitely many years of it with 0 symptoms [18:27]
nacci: yeah there are some interesting decisions made along the way, such as over a dozen drupal packages. . . [18:31]
asciilifeform: is it infested with systemd yet ? [18:31]
asciilifeform: dbus is already cemented in, last i saw [18:31]
asciilifeform: (and that was 3 or so yrs ago) [18:32]
nacci: perhaps the republic will need to maintain its own os in which to run trb [18:32]
nacci: would be a bit of a yak-shaving enterprise [18:32]
asciilifeform: nacci: we already have this, from 2 yrs ago, just not (afaik) currently in use . [18:33]
asciilifeform: sits, in reserve. [18:33]
asciilifeform: !#s rotor [18:33]
a111: 449 results for "rotor", [18:33]
asciilifeform: builds static trb, bootable initrd+kernel, busybox userland, ~5MB (littleendian arm) package all in all. [18:34]
asciilifeform: x86 weighed about same [18:35]
trinque: asciilifeform: dbus is not in the base system wtf [18:41]
asciilifeform: trinque: it ends up installed if you build emacs [18:42]
asciilifeform: what's that if not 'base system' [18:42]
trinque: do you realize how easy it is to have your own port makefiles? [18:42]
asciilifeform: next : how easy it is to build own unixlike from scratch [18:42]
asciilifeform: yes, it is not deep science. [18:42]
asciilifeform: sophomore undergrad homework, yes [18:42]
trinque: no, it's built *such that* you can do this trivially [18:42]
asciilifeform: trinque: if you did this -- plz to post recipe. [18:42]
asciilifeform: for other folx. [18:42]
asciilifeform: i could use a usable openbsd box, for instance. [18:43]
asciilifeform: show how to set it up so that -- analogously to my gentoo curative pill, discussed on many occasions here -- dbus is NEVER, EVER built, NO MATTER WHAT [18:43]
nacci: if a node can be run securely, the rest of computing can continue the shit show [18:44]
asciilifeform: if i can do this, without having to individually disinfect ~every~ port -- it'd be great. plox to show how. [18:44]
trinque: << /usr/ports/local/emacs/Makefile [18:44]
trinque: asciilifeform: leave the goalpost where it was, eh? [18:44]
asciilifeform: trinque: yes but can i kill it with systemwide flamethrower ? [18:44]
asciilifeform: rather than pry out with tweezers 10,001 times. [18:44]
trinque: portage is a wad of shit [18:44]
trinque: I know this from diving in to port it [18:44]
asciilifeform: the goal post is set by my gentoo boxes, running since '07 [18:44]
asciilifeform: trinque: indeed quite terrible thing, but i can get permanent no-dbus there. can haz on bsd ? [18:45]
trinque: "this here wad of shit is my house though!" [18:45]
asciilifeform: this'ere wad of shit is dry enough to put a primitive hut on top. and it turns over very rarely. would like the same on bsd. [18:45]
asciilifeform: btw trinque that looks like gtk3 in your makefile [18:46]
nacci: asciilifeform, is it necessary to stay up-to-date? [18:46]
asciilifeform: afaik gtk3 mandates dbus. [18:46]
asciilifeform: nacci: what means 'stay up-to-date' ? [18:46]
nacci: let the punters continue with the architectural experiments and run on some version chosen arbitrarily, maybe porting over critical fixes [18:47]
trinque: who are you again nacci ? [18:47]
nacci: i suppose that's not much better than getting out the tweasers [18:47]
nacci: i am the wonderous nacci, previously non-wot, but want to participate in the discussion, I do like the philosophical approach I've found here [18:48]
asciilifeform: nacci: consider registering with deedbot. [18:48]
asciilifeform: it takes all of 5min. [18:49]
trinque: asciilifeform: anyhow neither portage nor ports is a sane build system so I'm not picking an OS based on it. [18:49]
asciilifeform: trinque: now this is a point. [18:49]
asciilifeform: 'should i live in the greek rubble, or the roman rubble' [18:50]
trinque: !!up nacci [18:51]
deedbot: nacci voiced for 30 minutes. [18:51]
trinque: nacci: who is your daddy and what does he do? [18:52]
nacci: seems that would be irrelevant in a meritocracy? [18:53]
* nacci looking into deedbot [18:53]
trinque: !#s who is your daddy [18:53]
a111: 26 results for "who is your daddy", [18:53]
nacci: but in answer to your question his head is rammed far up the ass of the state [18:54]
trinque: guess nobody told him it'll stick that way [18:57]
shinohai: Dat last result [18:57]
trinque: << wahahaha [18:59]
a111: Logged on 2014-04-28 10:23 cazalla: moiety: didn't see any male midwives while my wife was in hospital (private), i wouldn't mind being a lactation consultant, it was pretty sweet watching the younger ones caress the missus' tits for milk :P [18:59]
nacci: is an airgapped farraday cage a prerequisite for deedbot registration? [19:02]
mircea_popescu: not afaik [19:08]
danielpbarron: << yep. I put OpenBSD ~5.6 on a iMac G4 (the one that looks like a pixar lamp-creature) very nice machine despite how slow it is and how there doesn't seem to be any support for the platform anymore. [19:19]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 22:22 mircea_popescu: iirc danielpbarron had one [19:19]
trinque: danielpbarron: very nice looking machine, there [19:20]
trinque: I had one I forget now where the hell it went. [19:20]
danielpbarron: i also got OpenBSD on iMac G3 and G5 but they aren't as nice. the G3 i gave up before getting a windows manager, and the G5 has too-new hardware that assumes you run OSX or whatever, the most annoying of which being the fan that defaults to full-throttle unless told to slow down [19:20]
trinque: probably walked away like those pixar ones [19:20]
danielpbarron: i have 5 of the G5s here [19:21]
danielpbarron: of varying screen sizes [19:21]
trinque: danielpbarron: they patched that (and I patched it myself before somebody else did in CVS tree) [19:21]
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, >> 'University Police conducted a search of the building, which yielded no additional posters ... The situation is being investigated as a hate bias incident, she added, encouraging anyone with more information to contact University Police.' [19:21]
danielpbarron: !!up nacci [19:21]
deedbot: nacci voiced for 30 minutes. [19:21]
trinque: fan no longer whirs at top speed [19:21]
danielpbarron: ah, i did this a couple years ago [19:21]
nacci: those g5s are nice machines [19:21]
danielpbarron: will have to revisit then [19:21]
doppler: danielpbarron: could it have been the air duct sensor? [19:27]
nacci: so I do have a deedbot registration from about 6 months ago when i was checking out the eulora buzz [19:29]
trinque: doppler: << patch regarded this [19:30]
doppler: oh, I see. [19:31]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: northeast and upper midwest [19:31]
trinque: << "On macppc, hook up smu(4/macppc) to the thermal management framework." [19:32]
trinque: ben_vulpes: some new plague floating around in PDX? [19:32]
ben_vulpes: trinque: mircea_popescu mentioned a tick-borne thing, i pointed out that it's not prevalent anywhere near me [19:34]
trinque: oic [19:34]
asciilifeform: iirc infected ticks are in all of usa [19:34]
asciilifeform: (with possible exception of the desert) [19:34]
asciilifeform: everywhere where deer are found. [19:35]
danielpbarron: lyme disease? was invented a couple towns over from me :D [19:35]
ben_vulpes: ixodes pacificus may someday be a carrier for babiosis [19:35]
ben_vulpes: anyways, tick spotting and removal is pretty standard [19:36]
nacci: mice are popular hosts as well [19:36]
ben_vulpes: "hold still, i gotta apply this hot thing to ya" [19:36]
danielpbarron: lyme disease is carried by the deer tic which is extremely small. You may think you are good at spotting tics but these things are particularly hard to find [19:36]
nacci: its hard to separate fact from fiction when it comes to lyme [19:37]
danielpbarron: whaddaya work for an insurance company? :p [19:37]
nacci: it seems to be a catch-all for the aches and pains of middle-aged wisdom [19:37]
nacci: women [19:37]
nacci: "Tick density increases were positively correlated with mild temperatures, low precipitation, low forest cover, and high urbanization" [19:42]
* shinohai would love if some clever haxor made this happen [20:15]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, for everyone who 'enjoyed' shitoshi's 'varints' -- the retardation apparently is endemic, and even has named!!111 'standards' complete with shitlang demo suites: [21:28]
asciilifeform: with 'testimonials', even. [21:28]
asciilifeform: one for ben_vulpes's zoo. [21:28]
trinque: sure, "protobuf" also [21:34]
trinque: wicked space savings, bro. [21:35]
mircea_popescu: << it's funny that they can do the whole "this is investigated AS AN X" thing and yet STILL split it in their head so that "justice" and "law" work as anything but "the top criminal in our criminal organization said so." [21:48]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 23:21 asciilifeform: in other lulzies, >> 'University Police conducted a search of the building, which yielded no additional posters ... The situation is being investigated as a hate bias incident, she added, encouraging anyone with more information to contact University Police.' [21:48]
mircea_popescu: "along with images of European sculptures of white men." << welcome to the empire of ignoramuses. [21:49]
mircea_popescu: i suppose one shouldn't ask what color scipio had anywhere near a marble bust of same amirite. [21:50]
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can the idiots put up with themselves ? [21:50]
mircea_popescu: !!gettrust nacci [21:51]
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. [21:51]
mircea_popescu: << i can't imagine the babe-iosis splittage escaped notice ? [21:52]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 23:35 ben_vulpes: ixodes pacificus may someday be a carrier for babiosis [21:52]
mircea_popescu: << redis pinterest and some unheard of items ? sounds legit! [21:53]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 01:28 asciilifeform: in other lulz, for everyone who 'enjoyed' shitoshi's 'varints' -- the retardation apparently is endemic, and even has named!!111 'standards' complete with shitlang demo suites: [21:53]
* shinohai wonders if mircea_popescu broke the CompanionCube with that Trilema article ..... [21:55]
* CompanionCube is busy with other things at the moment [21:55]
asciilifeform: reading about mircea_popescu going to a recycledfood 'restaurant' was mindmelting [21:56]
mircea_popescu: shinohai i had some follow-ups for his benefit, such as you know, "why quora is a piece of shit" and other "basic combinatorics or why $nobody can't possibly have ideas / be taken seriously." [21:56]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im promiscuous. [21:56]
shinohai: My last log message was until just now. I like observing the transformation of thought that occurs when one reads these things, [21:58]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 20:27 CompanionCube reads [21:58]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'comp has no business being anything other than large fpga' and 'swamp of nic drivers that have 0 legit reason to exist' are elementarily plagiarized from us [22:01]
mircea_popescu: im not even discussing the substance of his claim. so far we're at the pre-hearing arguments where he learns how to make a cogent statement in the first place. [22:01]
mircea_popescu: "but mp, my mom told me i was born with the god-given ability to make cogent arguments" "thats probably why she fucks drunks, too." [22:02]
asciilifeform: << see also [22:03]
asciilifeform: 'Sort-of like the colonial Europeans' expectation that someone firing a weapon necessarily speaks French, or Spanish, or English, or some sort of civilised language. Because otherwise... where did they get the human weapon! Goblins don't craft weapons. ' [22:03]
shinohai: ./vdiff trilemalogs [22:03]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1700...5253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( SE C) [22:18]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1627...6559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( SE C) [22:18]
mircea_popescu: lmao 310 + 310 digit factors. this'd be a 2kb key i gather ? [22:26]
asciilifeform: 2048 aha [22:27]
asciilifeform: we have megatonne of those [22:27]
mircea_popescu: kinda nice when it just gives away the whole key like that. [22:27]
asciilifeform: pretty much whole past yr of phuctorings 'give away whole key' [22:28]
* mircea_popescu vaguely recalls some "pirate party" associated dorks producing lame "oh, can't factor a key anyway" verbiage cca 2015 [22:28]
asciilifeform: in these sense of, yes, you can take the thing and trivially piss out a usable key [22:28]
asciilifeform: i've contemplated adding, e.g., 'download as pgp key', 'download as ssh key', etc buttons [22:28]
mircea_popescu: to think that, much like "tor", those passed for the "forefront of internets" at some point, a decade prior. [22:28]
asciilifeform: but why feed the lazy. [22:28]
asciilifeform: speaking of which, at some point we oughta snarf tor 'onion' etc keyz [22:29]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so they can make .io websites under dorky pseudonyms and expect medium tards to pick them up ? [22:29]
asciilifeform: yea well phuctor imho exists so that they can be raped raw, not 'helped' [22:30]
asciilifeform: public... disservice, if you will. [22:30]
mircea_popescu: the big secret re rape is that it's a happy occasion. the fundamental state is two bored people watching tv, too lazy for even the copacetic nonsense they call proper. let alone any kind of rape. [22:31]
mircea_popescu: the only adequate epitaph on the tombstones of well over 90% of "civilised world" females the past few centuries is "here lies jane, whom nobody could suymmon the interest to ever rape." [22:32]
asciilifeform: ( the other reason, ftr, why phuctor, is that there exists solely ONE method to determine if your key generator produces phuctorables... ) [22:34]
mircea_popescu: and the trump news totally dried out / nothing but rehashed butthurt and libertard wishful thinking. [22:34]
shinohai: The Trumpreich lives on! [22:35]
asciilifeform: last i heard -- 3rd (?) consecutive 'judge' refused to un-cancel the revised immigration reform thing [22:36]
mircea_popescu: last i heard, idiot argentine "dreamer" was detained and deported. [22:37]
mircea_popescu: they should have shot her, ideally, but whatevs. [22:37]
asciilifeform: lol!! deported to where? [22:37]
mircea_popescu: argentina. [22:37]
asciilifeform: ooh [22:37]
asciilifeform: for some reason i immediately thought 'kirschner' [22:37]
mircea_popescu: which is kinda the point here. yes, if you read the libertard fake news they're like all victorious and shit, hillary is practically president. [22:38]
mircea_popescu: irl... [22:38]
* asciilifeform has deeply nfi what goes on 'irl' outside of own desk nao. [22:39]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu convinced me -- 0 way to learn it from reading the beobachter. [22:40]
trinque: hell obama might go down as nixon 2.0 at this point. [22:42]
mircea_popescu: in general, the pretense that anything in the us can limit the presidential administration was all but abandoned with bush [22:42]
mircea_popescu: that was 20 years ago. [22:42]
asciilifeform: 'In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot.' [22:43]
asciilifeform: (tm)(r)(mr.o) [22:43]
mircea_popescu: just about. [22:43]
mircea_popescu: dude got the government into torture. outside of that... really, what else, what more ? once that's on the table everything else's peanuts. [22:44]
mircea_popescu: and it is peanuts. [22:44]
asciilifeform: trinque: gotta love the 'we bugged him ACCIDENTALLY, and if not, it was because ru stooge and stfu terrorist' [22:47]
mircea_popescu: heh [22:47]
trinque: rotating dictatorship can be perilous for previous dictators [22:49]
asciilifeform: rumour has it -- obummer is hanging out on some pedo island, in caribbean [22:50]
mircea_popescu: pizza island ? [22:51]
asciilifeform: lol [22:51]
asciilifeform: >> 'Former President Barack Obama is planning an extended stay in the South Pacific as he begins to write his memoir...' etc [22:53]
asciilifeform: 'The bidding war over the rights to the books had reportedly soared above $60 million...' [22:53]
asciilifeform: but, more entertaining, from same rag: 'The Russian Foreign Ministry addressed election interference allegations as an April Fools' Day joke on Saturday. The ministry said on its Facebook page that it had set up an automated telephone switchboard for embassies, offering in a fake voicemail the services of "hackers" and "election interference."' [22:54]
asciilifeform: '"You have reached the Russian embassy, your call is very important to us. To arrange a call from a Russian diplomat to your political opponent, press 1," the recording begins, in Russian and English. "To use the services of Russian hackers, press 2...' [22:54]
asciilifeform: ( ^ ) [22:56]
phf: there's a handful of american "restaurants" i've never been to, applebees is one of them. but the list is getting smaller with time, recently i got to experience "cracker barrel" [23:12]
phf: as far i understand they are all essentially the same, in that they don't actually serve food. [23:13]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's description -- fits [23:13]
trinque: prolly same phood distributor behind all [23:14]
asciilifeform: they all serve 'mcchicken' or similar 'ice cream' that is 80% hcfc by mass hcfc syrop drink etc [23:14]
asciilifeform: *hfcs [23:14]
trinque: iirc "US Foods" is pretty common. [23:14]
trinque: like it could be called anything else. [23:15]
asciilifeform: 'sysco' -- major supplier in east usa [23:15]
trinque: ah yeah that's another [23:15]
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