Forum logs for 31 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu Sent 57 minutes ago: dulap desperately needs to not be the only industrial-sized therealbitcoin node. phuctor is severely i/o starved << so help hanbot get it going. [12:04]
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shinohai asciilifeform: what, exactly, constitutes an industrial-sized therealbitcoin node? [12:10]
mircea_popescu << and why shouldn't they. as long as there's idiots with excess fat... [12:10]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 22:05:10; shinohai: I think I read somewhere that failed "social currency" reddcoin 's lead developer quit, after squandering all their IPCO funds, and now they are going to attempt round two. [12:10]
mircea_popescu shinohai something on a 100mbit pipe i imagine he means [12:10]
shinohai mkay. [12:11]
mircea_popescu << i find it's a pretty good heuristic, this. plaintext html ? guy's doing ok. bootstrap ? retarded kids couldn't find their way to etsy. [12:12]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 22:06:27; ascii_field: no 'css' on that www ! [12:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 5000 @ 0.00111 = 5.55 BTC [12:12]
mircea_popescu << it's funny how this shit works. "malleability" might be responsible. us agents might be responsible. santa claus might be responsible. not the fat fuck and his various friends throughout the redditard community. [12:13]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 22:35:30; trinque: holy shit, at least he said it aloud [12:13]
mircea_popescu exclusive content! gawker emergency editorial board meeting! [12:18]
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mircea_popescu << atm i doubt they actually exist [12:19]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 01:09:04; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i will point out that i have not been able to locate an elbrus, nor has, last i asked, mircea_popescu, nor anyone else i know [12:19]
mircea_popescu bfl miners [12:19]
mircea_popescu some Luke-Jr somewhere swore he "was delivered" and the fishwrappers echoed the unverified, unsubstantial claim is all. [12:20]
mircea_popescu maybe in a decade or w/e. [12:20]
mircea_popescu "Although Wikileaks first publicized the emails in 2012, they did not release all of them until two years later." << lmao wut, rly ?! [12:22]
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mircea_popescu ;;google Stratfor lolololor [12:22]
gribble Stratfor lolololor. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; December 2011 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Breaking News on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: [12:22]
mircea_popescu more like 2011 but whatever. [12:22]
mircea_popescu dude how the fuck does this braindamaged fucktarded generation work, already. [12:23]
mircea_popescu waht 2012! what two years later! [12:23]
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mircea_popescu i'm not THAT elite already. [12:23]
mircea_popescu << check it out, linux might catch up with fucking ms-dos on its next release. [12:25]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 01:22:26; asciilifeform: i.e. if you built it and it ended up sitting down in /home/luser/a/b/d/e/f/g/p/q/r/s, it will stay there. or rebuild WHOLE THING again. [12:25]
mircea_popescu maybe. [12:25]
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mike_c cazalla: belated thanks! [12:26]
mircea_popescu << this is a good point. labour costs are not a problem per se - they're set as policy lever (and more effectiuve at controlling wage strucure in the us than any sort of law) [12:29]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 02:33:54; BingoBoingo: So long as McDonalds has few corporate stores they have to staff and having staff at all is largely a franchisee problem McDonalds will automate for consistency (i.e. robogrill) instead of doing so to purely reduce labor. [12:29]
mircea_popescu by now usg painted itself in the very sad corner where it has to provide housing for free and does the whole ration meal thing via mcd. all the drawbacks of centrally planned, scarcely any of the benefits. [12:29]
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mircea_popescu (on paper they should get the major benefit of blame deflection, but in practice it dun work, everyone bames washington anyway) [12:30]
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mircea_popescu << word. [12:30]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 02:37:25; BingoBoingo: Well, they will probably keep humans at the cash register to provide a surface for customers to direct anger at. [12:30]
mircea_popescu also useful for forced public nudity social experiments etc. [12:31]
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mircea_popescu << i don't generally think much of the derponymous. others don't care. [12:33]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 03:06:06; coderwill: Ah, thanks for the background - that's really interesting. I myself am thinking about a new project, and was wondering if in this day and age it is a disadvantage to attach a real-life identify to the Internet. [12:33]
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mircea_popescu << zing, mats. now what ? gonna backtrack on it ? [12:34]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 03:12:24; BingoBoingo: mats: I'm still out on bond... as I have been since May 2013 [12:34]
mircea_popescu << latter is pretty persuasive. [12:35]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 03:17:35; decimation: either he was a brilliant ru spy, or he was a self-appointed reddit internet policeman [12:35]
mircea_popescu << the usg has a problem with its millenarist, one-world approach, which is stepping on everyone's toes. [12:37]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 03:24:40; decimation: now, I do think usg has a real problem with its 'secret services' running amock, making a mess of things, and generally being completely untransparent to anybody [12:37]
mats nah, still dramatic. [12:38]
mircea_popescu if it came to terms with the fact that they're in charge of a population of shitheads in a poorly developed country barely hanging on to the first world, with decaying infrastructure they can't upkeep etc, [12:38]
mircea_popescu they'd prolly fade off the hate radar and we could all move on to hate putin and the chinese hydra like god meant it. [12:38]
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mircea_popescu problem is that the last people who could think retired in the late 80s, and the leftover idiots will not yield until trampled. so they'll get trampled, short detour, we move on to hating ru and cn in 2030. [12:40]
shinohai Anyone here ever tried this? [12:41]
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assbot BUY ONLINE || Absinthe of the Month: ALANDIA Suisse La Bleue AOM07 ... ( ) [12:41]
mircea_popescu mmyeah, something like that. [12:41]
mircea_popescu "The aim of this mail is to let you know that, according to default, your bank account has been put on credit hold status, and will remain so until your balance will be completely liquidated. Your attention to this matter is sorely encouraged." [12:44]
mircea_popescu words!!!1 [12:44]
mircea_popescu << you're going the wrong way in time. [12:45]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 03:29:11; asciilifeform: point is that 'heroes hang when traitors triumph' (tm) (r) [12:45]
mircea_popescu way i read this sort of stuff from you is like so : "stoicism is important for one's balance" ; "the stoic position is 'heroes hang when traitors triumph'" ergo "i will look through time and retroactively call traitors those who succeed and heros those who fail, irrespective of how derps generally fail and competent people are rarely unimpeachable, because i really have no other ways and means to maintain balance so i' [12:47]
mircea_popescu m stuck with this pile of insanity" [12:47]
mircea_popescu the main problem with this syllogism is, perhaps counterintuitively, its tail. [12:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.0005204 = 29.4546 BTC [-] {2} [12:48]
mircea_popescu there's plenty of gyroscopes much cheaper, faster and broadly speaking better than "reinterpret history" [12:49]
mircea_popescu << we can't so discount. [12:50]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 03:31:00; asciilifeform: the total war against honest history is a specifically 20th c. thing (if we discount chinese and egyptian monarchs who were deeply into rewriting the books) [12:50]
mircea_popescu les encyclopederastes were chiefly in this same business. [12:51]
mircea_popescu the business model of wikipedia is ~exactly~ the same [12:51]
mircea_popescu everyone at all points in time and space was hard at work at making it impossible to write a history he doesn't wanna hear. [12:51]
mircea_popescu this includes bacteriums. [12:51]
mircea_popescu << amusingly, mike hearn's attempt to do the exact same for bitcoin at the exact same time ALSO seems to be a secret only we know. [12:54]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 03:53:10; asciilifeform: coderwill: on top of the thousand and one other sins, tor linked in ssl at the height of 'heartbleed' - something which pretty much nobody is speaking of today [12:54]
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mircea_popescu they're going through the good dev bad dev routine on reddit, somehow none of them seem to remember where the actual ammo is stored. [12:55]
mircea_popescu herpitty-derp and a bottle of "thank you for all your hard work". [12:55]
mircea_popescu ;;google multumim din inima partidului [12:55]
gribble Multumim din Inima Partidului - Cintece Patriotice - Epoca de Aur ...: ; Multumim din Inima Partidului - PCR - YouTube: ; Corul de copii radio-Multumim din inima partidului - YouTube: [12:55]
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mircea_popescu !up ShawnLeary [12:55]
-assbot- You voiced ShawnLeary for 30 minutes. [12:55]
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mircea_popescu looking forward to all the reddit threadsa going "thank you mp for bashing hearn's head right before hearn managed that one". [12:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00052768 = 14.8014 BTC [+] [12:58]
mircea_popescu << i'd pay per view. [13:01]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 05:17:09; punkman: he should practice his archery on those protestors outside his office [13:01]
mircea_popescu << why so bitter lol. [13:02]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 09:34:04; jurov: plus without scrubbing everyone'd be able to take some clearsigned text, slap on malicious JS and whatnot and have it published [13:02]
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mircea_popescu << there's no wai out with you people is there. [13:05]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 12:47:20; danielpbarron: << 7-year-old-me would have said "don't kill me!" so... [13:05]
mircea_popescu what the fuck cult is this with such diversity. [13:05]
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mircea_popescu actually this may well be how to know you live at the dawn of a civilisation. shit doesn't work and you imagine this to be an exceptional, remarkable, worrisome thing. [13:08]
mircea_popescu or in other words the advantage of non-orphans is that they have parents to blame. [13:09]
mircea_popescu << culture, generally. observation as ancient as the original cro-magnon / neanderthal divide. N the Ist famously made it, and look where it got him! [13:10]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 12:49:57; kakobrekla: nah, the correct observation would be that religion is a virus and religious people ill. [13:10]
mircea_popescu << the conflict there's purely rhetoric. in the much more comprehensible slave-master dynamic, it's still teh master that chooses the slavegirl. the perceived challenges to free choice this brings are purely imagined by the perceiver. [13:12]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 12:56:17; shinohai: If there *is* a God jurov, I'd like to think he chooses you, instead of vice-versa. I know all the "free will" speeches. [13:12]
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mircea_popescu << java people are certainly going to fry. [13:15]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 13:20:01; shinohai: Not sure if my pal pussyfreak is here, but he is a Java developer. I hate Java, but I haven't tried to kill him or tell him he is going to fry if he doesn't use Python instead. [13:15]
mircea_popescu << yet sick is strictly the most common, oldest and widestly still used reason to ban someone. [13:17]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 13:32:51; kakobrekla: I think it is wrong to ban a person just because they hold different beliefs. < this doesnt make much sense , but > I think it is wrong to ban a person just because are sick. < does. [13:17]
mircea_popescu google staten island and for that matter recent suspension of flights to africa. [13:17]
shinohai I could never wrap my head around java at all. [13:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89556 @ 0.00052078 = 46.639 BTC [-] {5} [13:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 221292 @ 0.00051452 = 113.8592 BTC [-] {6} [13:37]
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ben_vulpes boost also barfs about a number of targets, none of which seem to have mattered. << have seen, wrestled this beast, multiply [13:42]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [13:43]
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ascii_field << hanbot, what are the remaining issues? [13:44]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 15:01:30; mircea_popescu: Sent 57 minutes ago: dulap desperately needs to not be the only industrial-sized therealbitcoin node. phuctor is severely i/o starved << so help hanbot get it going. [13:44]
mats [13:44]
assbot FULL SQL DUMP - ... ( ) [13:44]
ascii_field << 100Mb+, colocated [13:45]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 15:07:09; shinohai: asciilifeform: what, exactly, constitutes an industrial-sized therealbitcoin node? [13:45]
ascii_field << handwritten. like his asm. the whole site and product is a thing of beauty. [13:45]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 15:09:07; mircea_popescu: << i find it's a pretty good heuristic, this. plaintext html ? guy's doing ok. bootstrap ? retarded kids couldn't find their way to etsy. [13:45]
mats previous link re: [13:46]
assbot “Suspicion of treason”: German attorney general investigates journalists | Hacker News ... ( ) [13:46]
mats AG gets breached [13:46]
ascii_field << on reflection, mircea_popescu is right. but 20th c. tech ~does~ make a difference, we are not living in the age of diderot et al [13:47]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 15:47:53; mircea_popescu: les encyclopederastes were chiefly in this same business. [13:47]
ascii_field << such as ... ? [13:54]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 15:45:57; mircea_popescu: there's plenty of gyroscopes much cheaper, faster and broadly speaking better than "reinterpret history" [13:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32822 @ 0.00054676 = 17.9458 BTC [+] {2} [13:55]
ascii_field << i still don't see how this is supposed to work. if signed by l1 - gets posted. otherwise - not. [13:55]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 15:59:14; assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 09:34:04; jurov: plus without scrubbing everyone'd be able to take some clearsigned text, slap on malicious JS and whatnot and have it published [13:55]
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jurov ascii_field: it only checks whether it has clearsigned text somewhere [14:00]
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trinque decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port? [14:02]
trinque decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port? [14:02]
trinque decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port? [14:02]
ascii_field trinque needs new keyboard ? [14:02]
jurov attachments are not filtered depending on whether they have a sig or not [14:03]
trinque decimation: I believe /dev/udp and /dev/tcp are bashisms which do not actually exist as a device node [14:03]
ascii_field jurov: gotta only post the signed bits [14:03]
trinque ah fuck [14:03]
trinque well there you go, in triplicate [14:03]
ascii_field jurov: and it isn't true that 'no one uses' turdatron. ~i~ use. [14:03]
ascii_field (hence why i bitch about it nonstop!) [14:04]
jurov ascii_field: yes that calls for enhancing the scrubber not for removing it as trinque said [14:04]
ascii_field i've no issue with the scrubber, only the filename mutilator [14:04]
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mircea_popescu to go with that [14:07]
assbot Germany drops probe into NSA's Merkel phone-hacking • The Register ... ( ) [14:07]
mircea_popescu ascii_field what difference does it make ? technology pointedly makes no social difference, as per [14:08]
assbot Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [14:08]
mircea_popescu ascii_field [...] such as ? << been thinking of a usable packaging for your convenience since i said that. [14:09]
mircea_popescu jurov why the fuck would it publish anything whatsoever other than what l1 people signed is beyond me. [14:10]
mircea_popescu what is this, equality welfare world ? [14:11]
ascii_field ^ [14:11]
jurov well, cuz it processes only one attachment at a time and i'm too lazy to redo it to consider signatures [14:12]
mircea_popescu yeah but... [14:13]
mircea_popescu << took the socialism part out of it, threw out the rest, are good libertards. [14:14]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 13:45:16; decimation: danielpbarron: what does a 'practitioner of modern judaism' do exactly? like, they know they torah and tanakh but are too cool to follow them? [14:14]
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mircea_popescu << shit that looks like the all-elusive last leak (tm) [14:15]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 14:06:24; asciilifeform: ^ if this is not a memory leak, then i fart toyotas. [14:15]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [14:16]
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ascii_field next-to-last [14:16]
ascii_field (last is the one where each new block perma-swallows 300 byte of ram) [14:16]
mircea_popescu nah, that one we know [14:17]
mircea_popescu there is one we don't know. [14:17]
mircea_popescu i guess you're right huh. next to last, worst. [14:17]
ascii_field hence next-to-last. [14:17]
mircea_popescu hopefully it actually is one. [14:17]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: btw, is there any reason we oughtn't shoot any tx that's hung around in mempool for more than a few days ? [14:18]
mircea_popescu i'll feel like having a lava lamp taken out of my asshole once this can finally be said. "no leaks!" [14:18]
mircea_popescu ascii_field yeh. they could be legit. you don't wanna assume about the pool [14:18]
ascii_field 'legit' is not a permanent citizenship in my machine ram ! [14:18]
mircea_popescu how about two weeks ? [14:19]
ascii_field who ever hangs for two weeks waiting for a block ?! [14:19]
mircea_popescu hm [14:19]
kakobrekla < if someone has herpes simplex let them be, if someone comes here saying stupid shit, that wont fly. [14:20]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 16:14:16; mircea_popescu: << yet sick is strictly the most common, oldest and widestly still used reason to ban someone. [14:20]
mircea_popescu word. [14:20]
mircea_popescu ascii_field thinking about this... is this the thing that already drops shit txn ? [14:21]
mircea_popescu << what am i, Mr. Buy Everything ? [14:21]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 14:22:33; asciilifeform: re: yesterday's thread, i'm frankly surprised that mircea_popescu ~didn't~ buy the trunk line [14:21]
mircea_popescu << you somehow opt to neglect the point that this was actually done in practice. [14:22]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 14:24:11; asciilifeform: go try and ddos a tier 1. [14:22]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: yes we drop [14:22]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: was?! [14:22]
mircea_popescu so if we drop how could anything end up 2 weeks old ? [14:22]
mircea_popescu seems like an excellent error catcher, you wanna see if anything makes it that late. [14:22]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: we drop ~bastard~ tx [14:22]
mircea_popescu hence... [14:22]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: that is, tx without an antecedent block in the machine [14:22]
mircea_popescu nono, "tx paying too little per byte compared to others we know" [14:22]
ascii_field this, eventually, yes [14:23]
ascii_field but i'm not certain why bitcoind must be a long-term flophouse for tx that can't find a block to sit down in for weeks [14:23]
ascii_field let the fella who generated it, rebroadcast until it gets in [14:24]
mircea_popescu << yeah it's pretty good. [14:24]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 14:31:24; decimation: fine, brocade sells cer 2024f-rt for $30k [14:24]
mircea_popescu ascii_field for many reasons. such as for instance that we could see a situation where enemy controls 80% of hash and refuses to include your txn [14:24]
mircea_popescu until someone in the 20% mines, it waits. [14:24]
mircea_popescu generally speaking, every restriction is dumb. [14:25]
mircea_popescu and as luck usually goes, we wil lcome to regret it. [14:25]
ascii_field but why shouldn't it wait on its owner's box ? [14:25]
ascii_field why on mine ? [14:25]
mircea_popescu you relay. [14:26]
ascii_field see, this is a 'fella walks in from the street and gets something for having a pulse' situation [14:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.0005414 = 16.4856 BTC [-] [14:26]
mircea_popescu tx passed the test, and is now a tx. should get something for this. [14:26]
danielpbarron you'd have to keep the transaction in order to remember to not include it later [14:26]
mircea_popescu this is the required balance to this scheme. yes, we kill all idiot children without anyu regard to the ever rising blood level on the floor or the tears of their mothers. [14:27]
mircea_popescu but once they made it through that, they can have whatever they want. [14:27]
ascii_field they can't have the n bytes when my machine only has K-n to offer ! [14:28]
ascii_field we have an elementary situation of not-enough-food-for-the-childrenz [14:28]
mircea_popescu which is why the idea is to have X bytes, and then allow tx in according to pay. [14:28]
ascii_field but they pay miners [14:28]
ascii_field not relay [14:28]
mircea_popescu the problem is solved there. no point solving it n other places. [14:28]
mircea_popescu yes. yes they do. [14:28]
ascii_field relay has to sit, eat the cost of existing [14:28]
mircea_popescu we try to make this not be different [14:28]
mircea_popescu relay will hopefully be paid by miner. [14:28]
ascii_field rly [14:28]
mircea_popescu yes rly. [14:29]
kakobrekla dragons will enforce it. [14:29]
punkman hope doesn't pay server bills [14:29]
mircea_popescu the only way relaying as currently deployed may survive is if it somehow ends up in a compact with mining [14:29]
ascii_field even if, on some distant tomorrow, we get this jam, [14:29]
ascii_field my machine is not a hilbert hotel ! [14:29]
ascii_field has FINITE bytes [14:29]
ascii_field can't have a monotonic eater of these. [14:30]
mircea_popescu ascii_field again : we have a pool of X bytes. tx are allowed in only if they pay more than average fore that x. [14:30]
mircea_popescu this is where that problem is solved. no point also solving it somewhere else. [14:30]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: does this mean that we lose half of all tx ? [14:30]
ascii_field and then half of who remains ? [14:30]
mircea_popescu whatever % [14:30]
ascii_field ad infinitum ? [14:30]
* danielpbarron can imagine situations in which full node operators get paid for the service of relaying -- for example, 1) end user pays node to relay his tx and 2) miner pays node to give him the choicest high-fee paying tx's exclusively [14:30]
mircea_popescu if you have 8mb and mempool is actually 8gb, you lose 99.9% [14:30]
ascii_field so, only do this when cache is full ? [14:31]
ascii_field (at present, a node has no notion of 'full') [14:31]
mircea_popescu yes. [14:31]
mircea_popescu you set 10 bytes aside for "mempool". 1 tx comes, has 2 bytes pays 5. goes in. brings 4 brothers. [14:31]
mircea_popescu now cache is full and to get in, either pay 10 per byte or go dangle. [14:31]
ascii_field this works. [14:31]
ascii_field who wants to implement ? [14:31]
kakobrekla and each node has different cache size, brings on a bunch of mess [14:31]
mircea_popescu right. [14:32]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla that mess is good. [14:32]
mircea_popescu this thing needs 3 knobs : total ram to be made available to relayer, and min $/byte to accept. [14:32]
funkenstein_ so where does it go in the TX? is there an OP_ANYONE_CAN_RECEIVE or something for the relayers/mempool operators to put their addy in? [14:39]
funkenstein_ or maybe best to keep the payment for those services in a separate tx [14:40]
mircea_popescu or they could just rent vpn access like anyone ever since forever. [14:40]
kakobrekla but then you need another tx to cover for that tx [14:40]
danielpbarron you tell the full node what inputs and what outputs, node says ok here's a raw tx to sign (it includes an extra output pointing at node's own addr) and now you sign and give back [14:40]
kakobrekla and another for that tx [14:40]
kakobrekla and another [14:40]
mircea_popescu why the fuck does everyone imagine the internet = the web is beyond me. [14:40]
kakobrekla and .. you know where this goes [14:40]
funkenstein_ loll, all the way down [14:40]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: wai wat, who ? [14:41]
mircea_popescu how do you think i buy pipe from tr ? [14:41]
mircea_popescu tr=thomson reuters for simplicity. [14:41]
ascii_field l0l! [14:41]
* ascii_field used to work there [14:41]
mircea_popescu good for you. so how did they sell datafeeds ? txn blabla ? [14:42]
* ascii_field was not involved with this [14:42]
mircea_popescu anyway. it bears insistingly repeating : the internet is big. the web is a pustule on its ass. [14:43]
ascii_field well yes. [14:43]
mircea_popescu wellsothen. [14:43]
ascii_field did i miss a line in the log? where did the web thing come in [14:43]
mircea_popescu i got annoyed at the "oh noes, how could this thing that's been done since forever be done" [14:44]
* mircea_popescu takes off to get more alcohol. [14:44]
ascii_field ah l0l [14:44]
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danielpbarron !up ShawnLeary [14:46]
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danielpbarron who are yoU? [14:46]
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ShawnLeary I'm Shawn Leary [14:47]
ShawnLeary ;) [14:47]
ShawnLeary I'm the organizer of the Jacksonville FL Bitcoin Meetup [14:47]
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funkenstein_ danielpbarron> you tell the full node what inputs and what outputs, node says ok here's a raw tx to sign (it includes an extra output pointing at node's own addr) and now you sign and give back <-- this could work [14:47]
jurov <3 <3 <3 [14:48]
assbot ... ( ) [14:48]
jurov is that you? [14:48]
ShawnLeary I like long walks on the beach and counterparty [14:49]
trinque lol [14:49]
danielpbarron heh i kinda like counterparty too [14:49]
danielpbarron you heard of MEAT? [14:49]
ShawnLeary is that like YACHTMONEY? [14:49]
danielpbarron i don't follow the XCP scene, i just occasionally put up buy/sell orders for my asset [14:49]
danielpbarron on a related note, someone bought up all my shares and I haven't bothered to re-up yet [14:50]
ShawnLeary so MEAT is an asset then? [14:50]
danielpbarron ya [14:50]
ShawnLeary why would one want to own MEAT? to beat it? ;) [14:50]
danielpbarron it's backed 1:1 with 'meat' from Kingdom of Loathing [14:51]
danielpbarron not to be taken seriously -- I don't think it will be possible to keep an exchange on the blockchain if bitcoin is to have a future [14:52]
ShawnLeary this is my first day in this channel, so will do some more reading and research on it. Do you have a link to Kingdom of Loathing? [14:52]
danielpbarron but it's very interesting to me that there can be alternative tokens of exchange on the same proof-of-work [14:52]
danielpbarron lol don't research KoL [14:52]
danielpbarron just read the log here [14:52]
ShawnLeary blockchain all the things :) [14:52]
danielpbarron if you must research a game, do Eulora [14:53]
danielpbarron we need more n00bs to gather stuff for us and to be apprentice crafters [14:53]
danielpbarron and Eulora needs no such silly currency pass-through to have access to bitcoin, as it's currency du-jour is already bitcoin [14:54]
shinohai I don't even think I own a computer capable of playing Eulora on xD [14:54]
danielpbarron i think even the most basic graphics card should work; it's not the most cutting edge stuff [14:54]
ShawnLeary Spells of Genesis? [14:55]
shinohai ewwww [14:55]
danielpbarron i used to have poor FPS but someone showed me what to comment out of a file to make all the superflous terrain decorations go away and that helped a lot [14:55]
punkman Eulora's kinda laggy for me, with ati6450 or something [14:55]
trinque ShawnLeary: best thing for you is to read the logs at; you'll find many topics you may (think you) have opinions on have already been treated there, and exceptionally well. [14:55]
* shinohai wishes ppl still played MUDs [14:56]
punkman shinohai: they do [14:56]
shinohai Well I do on sdf, just not a lot of players anymore [14:56]
danielpbarron shinohai, funny you say that; Eulora is supposed to eventually have a MUD-style client [14:57]
shinohai Now THAT would be awesomeness [14:57]
danielpbarron no reason to always render the whole 3d world [14:57]
shinohai [14:57]
assbot SDF Public Access UNIX System - Free Shell Account and Shell Access ... ( ) [14:57]
danielpbarron a great deal of the gameplay is just numbers and waiting [14:57]
danielpbarron like crafting and trading [14:57]
trinque shinohai: I wanna say I had an SDF account in high school [14:57]
trinque haven't seen that in very long [14:57]
punkman shinohai: you might also enjoy this website [14:57]
assbot The Interactive Fiction Database - IF and Text Adventures ... ( ) [14:57]
shinohai I always liked reading, so those sorts of games can really pull me in. [14:58]
shinohai thx punkman [14:58]
punkman (can play most games there straight in your browser) [14:59]
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shinohai I ran a little citadel server for a while, which is about as basic of BBS as I can think of. [15:00]
punkman danielpbarron: no reason to always render the whole 3d world << the 3d world serves no purpose at the moment if you ask me [15:01]
ShawnLeary telnet MUDs? [15:01]
ShawnLeary man that's going back [15:01]
ShawnLeary I had to admit it, but as a young man I spent time on FuryMUCK [15:01]
danielpbarron punkman, you might not be wrong there.. but then again the game is so mysterious I can't say that for sure [15:02]
shinohai I don't like all the "fluff" of the interwebs as much. [15:02]
danielpbarron for example, the mechanics are so poorly spaded that we can't be sure if it's always advantageous to level up; there might be cause to intentionally stunt your growth [15:03]
danielpbarron depending on context of course (it is very advantageous to level up in the long run) [15:03]
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mircea_popescu Eulora's kinda laggy for me, with ati6450 or something << it's pretty much all due to bad opengl implementation / dubious drivers. on compliant card-driver combos you get ~1k fps if reaosnably modern. [15:04]
mircea_popescu i'm seeing 120 consistently on various 2007-2010 midmarket nvidia cards [15:04]
mircea_popescu * shinohai wishes ppl still played MUDs << kol is a glorified browser mud. not horrible, i guess... /me made it for a coupla days, had enough. [15:05]
danielpbarron hah you played it!? [15:05]
shinohai I don't see my platform listed, closest is Ubuntu [15:05]
danielpbarron not my kind of humor in the flavor text and the economy is not good enough to stick around [15:06]
shinohai Most browser MUDs I have seen require flash, which is a no-no for me. [15:06]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron yeah, cuz you kept talking about it [15:06]
mircea_popescu word. exactly. there's so many silverman style dumbassery i can put up with. [15:07]
mircea_popescu o really, "Actually ed the undying" is funny ? mmkay. [15:07]
BingoBoingo * shinohai wishes ppl still played MUDs << kol is a glorified browser mud. not horrible, i guess... /me made it for a coupla days, had enough. << What class did you give a go? [15:11]
mircea_popescu pastamancer. of course. i play necros almost exclusively. since about... 9. [15:11]
danielpbarron hahaha I'm also a pastamancer [15:11]
danielpbarron necro was also my favorite d2 character [15:12]
mircea_popescu i was doing pretty good, apparently im immune to the negative effects of qwops [15:12]
mircea_popescu because skill kills. and so spent my time in the ravensomething library reading "you and evil things, a love story" [15:12]
danielpbarron i thought those only drop from a certain unique item but then again i haven't played in a while [15:12]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron sadly necro sucked in d2, ended up forced to do a cold sorc like everyone else (that wasn't a paly). but did a witchdoctor in d3, for the... month or so that survived. [15:13]
danielpbarron yeh my main character online was a magic find barbarian [15:13]
mircea_popescu i can't believe nobody has written the epic story of the greatesrt failure in modern gaming. it's not daikatana, it's diablo 3. [15:13]
danielpbarron i've never seen a screencap from d3 let alone actually played it [15:13]
mircea_popescu [15:14]
assbot Diablo III on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [15:14]
mircea_popescu [15:14]
assbot Level 60 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [15:14]
mircea_popescu etc. if you care gan go through trololudens [15:14]
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Adlai < we shall see [15:19]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 12:04:00; punkman: Adlai: does the rocket fly? [15:19]
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ben_vulpes ocelots. << pallas cats! [15:51]
decimation wait, I pointed out this exact situation a few weeks ago and the conclusion was 'pay relay', not 'miner pays relay' [16:00]
decimation re: pay for tx relays [16:01]
BingoBoingo And now idiots are talking about replacing the 21 million coin cap, congrats Reddit [16:04]
assbot Should 21 Million Bitcoin Be the Cap? — Crypto Brief — Medium ... ( ) [16:04]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: sha256sum buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz [16:05]
ben_vulpes 4199d2baa67451752b4313dff2b5347bf07995142182af0415c5831693d89013 buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz [16:05]
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ben_vulpes sha1 matches the value in the providers sig tho [16:06]
ben_vulpes o.O [16:07]
BingoBoingo The @twobitallidiot is now all concerned abou "wealth concentration" [16:07]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [16:08]
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ascii_field mosquitos drink blood, thieves want to steal. big fat surprise. [16:08]
ascii_field tr0l0l0l. [16:09]
ben_vulpes (in case you missed it, ascii_field, my hash of the buildroot tar doesn't match yours) [16:15]
ascii_field sig date ? [16:17]
ascii_field (his, not mine) ? [16:17]
ben_vulpes gpg: Signature made Sun 31 May 2015 09:29:39 PM UTC using DSA key ID 59C36319 [16:18]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: also you took the 256 !! [16:18]
ascii_field mine - matches yours [16:18]
ben_vulpes bwaha. [16:18]
ben_vulpes silent division by two operator. [16:18]
ben_vulpes and mine yours. [16:19]
ben_vulpes false alarm. [16:19]
* trinque calls back the shitgnominators [16:21]
shinohai ;;later tell thestringpuller please message me if you are still working on Debian Eulora plox, thx. [16:23]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:23]
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mircea_popescu for example, the mechanics are so poorly spaded that << re that "spaded", just you wait until you discover it's actually a noncomputable multivariate which doesn't even allow stable solutions in the real space. [17:34]
mircea_popescu !up erg_ [17:43]
-assbot- You voiced erg_ for 30 minutes. [17:43]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo teh people whom nobody asked anything wondering about questions! it's a festival! [17:44]
mircea_popescu The @twobitallidiot is now all concerned abou "wealth concentration" <<< in normal terms, "wealth concentration" means "power centers that are not alligned with usg". [17:44]
BingoBoingo Eh, it's too good for me to not have started putting together a qntra after runimating on it for a bit. [17:44]
mircea_popescu shinohai does the ubuntu thing not work on debian ? [17:45]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it is pretty lulzy, if one lulz that way. [17:45]
shinohai Some of the dependencies are different for me, but I think I got it, mircea_popescu [17:45]
mircea_popescu add a deb pagew to wiki if thi is the case. [17:46]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It really brings the whole shitgnome scheme together, even though the Selkis kid isn't even gnome enough to be a shitgnome himself [17:46]
mircea_popescu yak, you know. anything can be yakked, and thus therfore on a long enough timeline with enough monkeys at keyboards, everything will be yakked. [17:47]
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erg_ thanks, mp [17:48]
mircea_popescu aha. what brings you here ? [17:48]
erg_ looking for the intelligent voices in Bitcoin [17:49]
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mircea_popescu o.O [17:49]
shinohai I made the point about monkeys and keyboards in a similar fashion a few days ago. [17:50]
shinohai Although in a self-deprecating manner. [17:50]
mircea_popescu have some casual bondage as a prize. [17:50]
assbot ... ( ) [17:50]
shinohai I'll be on the lookout for her to arrive by post. ;) [17:51]
erg_ She looks too satisfied and too clothed [17:51]
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shinohai <<< moar ethereum lulz [17:58]
assbot Ethereum: the World Computer : Buttcoin ... ( ) [17:58]
mircea_popescu oh, has it taken over my toaster yet ? [17:58]
* mircea_popescu reminds slavegirl to buy toaster so ethereum toasterworld takeover may proceed unhampered. [17:58]
shinohai God bless snapshillbot [17:58]
trinque "without any possibility of downtime" what the fuck is this shit [17:59]
trinque nevermind, I don't even want to bother. [17:59]
erg_ What is the consensus here as to how Bitcoin evolves?? It occurs to me these debates about the software become less relevant in the future [18:00]
shinohai Welp, add that to mah bucket list - fuck with Ethereum and their uptime. [18:00]
trinque holy crap, they're trying to build in an end user programming thing [18:00]
mircea_popescu erg_ tried the log ? [18:00]
mircea_popescu trinque you just don't understand how marketing claims work. [18:00]
shinohai If I have learned anything from #bitcoin-assets, it's that I can break shit. [18:00]
jurov Bitcoin ftaghn. [18:00]
erg_ reading some now - am new [18:00]
trinque mircea_popescu: I mean that glass pyramid is cool, I guess [18:01]
mircea_popescu Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu B'ah wgah'nagl fhtagn! [18:01]
shinohai There we go letting mircea_popescu read from the Necronomicon again. [18:02]
mircea_popescu trinque you old enough to remember when neobee took over cypruss or notrly ? [18:02]
trinque I vaguely recall them being some scam or another [18:02]
mircea_popescu ah it was glorious [18:03]
mircea_popescu too bad one can't take a snapshot of "the consensus" of webidiots. [18:03]
trinque I personally committed this end user programming fail at my last job [18:03]
trinque the idea that you can just you know, "unlock" the "creativity" of a randomly selected bovine if the UI's "intuitive" enough [18:03]
trinque wasn't my idea, but I bought in for sure [18:03]
* ben_vulpes retches [18:04]
trinque ben_vulpes: your grandmother doesn't want to write her own to-do app? [18:04]
mircea_popescu trinque was the original nonsense answer to the question of the web. "oh, UGC will fill the holes! all we have to do is throw some widgets together and this torrent of FREE!!11 creativity, valuable unfiltered, will wash us all the way to the bank" [18:04]
mircea_popescu made for some very lulzy years in the 90s [18:04]
mircea_popescu that these twerps are still suckling that old goat in 2015... [18:04]
mircea_popescu a lol unto itself. [18:04]
trinque yep, this was the sad aftershock of that [18:04]
* ben_vulpes is stuck maintaining the sad remnants of a UGC application [18:05]
ben_vulpes it somehow found revenue. [18:05]
trinque Mt Malinvestment [18:06]
ben_vulpes it's useful for that narrow slice of people who find it useful. [18:06]
mircea_popescu o hey i have a great idea [18:06]
mircea_popescu what if we made a website that was a marketplace for songs people wrote! [18:06]
mircea_popescu it could have like profile pages and upvotes [18:07]
trinque sounds like an uber-idea [18:07]
mircea_popescu we'll call them... flikes! [18:07]
mircea_popescu it's catchy. [18:07]
mircea_popescu thanks for the brainstorming guise, i think we created a lot of value. off to put another starbux coffee on this credit card someone mailed me for some reason. [18:08]
ben_vulpes needs tour booking affordances [18:08]
trinque brutal. my early 20s weep in pain [18:08]
ben_vulpes and shirt selling [18:08]
mircea_popescu ahgahahaha affordances ?! [18:08]
ben_vulpes and social media integration [18:08]
mircea_popescu is that dancing afore the fuck ? [18:08]
ben_vulpes oh yes affordances [18:09]
ben_vulpes no no the ui expert tells me that affordances are what you call things [18:09]
mircea_popescu affordances : [18:09]
assbot ... ( ) [18:09]
mircea_popescu (her name's Affor) [18:09]
ben_vulpes affogadances [18:09]
trinque ben_vulpes: imma need 3k for this moonscript conference I'm going to, kthx [18:11]
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scoopbot_revived Selkis Tips Fiat Agenda For Bitcoin [18:13]
mircea_popescu isn't that making the twerp into way too much ? what's next, "donald trump tips illuminati agenda for toupes" ? [18:15]
mircea_popescu in other news on the templeos front, [18:15]
ben_vulpes trinque: request approved, will reimburse once you close a deal worth 6k from conference generated leads [18:15]
mircea_popescu "When America finally gets to the point when she legalizes prostitution, as she already has legalized homosexuality, she will be at the point when God will execute His judgment upon her, I.e., Death. In Seminar #2, we demonstrate to you that we believe the "Economic Babylon" in Revelation 18 is the United States of America. Read this chapter with this thought in mind, and shudder at the physical destruction God may hav [18:15]
mircea_popescu e in store for us." [18:15]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes what, he's sales ?! [18:16]
ben_vulpes why the hell else is he going to a moonscript conference but to drum up more "fix my busted ass js" work? [18:16]
trinque ben_vulpes: b-b-but! [18:16]
ben_vulpes NO QUESTIONS [18:16]
trinque you're not nurturing my growth! [18:17]
ben_vulpes BUSINESS GROWS YOU GROW [18:17]
BingoBoingo isn't that making the twerp into way too much ? what's next, "donald trump tips illuminati agenda for toupes" ? << Kinda made himself too much after Gox. Twas bullet 1. This bullet 2. [18:17]
trinque mircea_popescu: shit no! I belong in the code dungeon [18:17]
trinque was just making fun [18:17]
ben_vulpes in jokes on in jokes [18:18]
mircea_popescu i still don't know what is he supposed to have done. rewrite trilema, badly, spend all day on twitter, try to come up with stuff on his own, made fool of self 3x, 5x, i forget. what's he notable for ? [18:18]
mircea_popescu at least that tv dude without a station is a fag. what's this guy got ? [18:18]
mircea_popescu trinque your joke application was denied. i will proceed to take the aforementioned seriously. [18:19]
BingoBoingo Basically all that. Mostly nothing. He apparently though is embeded in with the New York bitcoin theater. [18:19]
trinque lol [18:19]
mircea_popescu well hopefully he gets 2mn to best practices bitcoin or something. [18:20]
ben_vulpes next week: "hey trinque how's lunascript.butts?" [18:20]
mircea_popescu :D [18:20]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes hey, i'll believe him once he turns it in over 9k lulz. [18:20]
ben_vulpes trinque: where's your expense report for these 9k in lulz? [18:20]
shinohai <<< You sound like a mormon or jehovah witness spot on [18:21]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 21:12:51; mircea_popescu: "When America finally gets to the point when she legalizes prostitution, as she already has legalized homosexuality, she will be at the point when God will execute His judgment upon her, I.e., Death. In Seminar #2, we demonstrate to you that we believe the "Economic Babylon" in Revelation 18 is the United States of America. Read this chapter with this thought in mind, and shudder at t [18:21]
BingoBoingo It seems like that's the sort of deal he has. Some fiaters pay him to run a fan club, he tries to "influence agent" [18:21]
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mircea_popescu shinohai it was a quote yo. [18:21]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo they must be some choice derps, he's less effectual even than that southern republican lobby chick with a funny name. [18:22]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: "But he went to a good school" - Famous last words, as far as I can tell also their Derp selection criteria. Best to head him off when he's weak least he Hearniate to a lager size [18:23]
trinque ben_vulpes: yeah sorry, I realized moonscript was going to cause me to think too much, so I'm working on a new type system for Fey which will somehow hide the fact that I'm still using JS in a browser [18:23]
mircea_popescu btw, anyone familiar with the personal history of one rachel uchitel ? some choice lulz there. [18:23]
trinque ben_vulpes: any chance we can slip the release date til never? [18:23]
mircea_popescu (ex hooker, applied for a private eye license, stuff like that. almost like an action movie plot irl) [18:24]
ben_vulpes trinque: naw i need it in two weeks [18:24]
ben_vulpes i'm locking you in the code hole until its done [18:24]
* trinque organizes a hackathon [18:24]
ben_vulpes or until you say its done [18:24]
ben_vulpes or until i find your dessicated corpse [18:24]
ben_vulpes whichever happens first [18:24]
shinohai I'm on religious high alert today, sorry [18:25]
mircea_popescu "Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew was a reality television show that aired on the cable network VH1 which chronicles a group of people as they are treated for alcohol and drug addiction by Dr. Drew Pinsky and his staff at the Pasadena Recovery Center in Pasadena, California. [...] In May 2013, Pinsky announced that season six was the final season, explaining that he was tired of the criticism leveled at him after celebrit [18:28]
mircea_popescu ies he treated had relapsed and died." [18:28]
mircea_popescu the many shades, the many sides, the many meanings of "treatment" [18:28]
mircea_popescu and this unfair criticism which quashes the creativity of quacks! [18:28]
mircea_popescu the world won't be a better place until we put an end to all this bullying, and global warming. [18:29]
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ben_vulpes loveline was a pretty fun radio show. [18:31]
trinque in the "hey dude, smell this" kind of way [18:31]
ben_vulpes corolla and pinsky were no stern [18:31]
ben_vulpes heh trinque has it [18:32]
trinque train-wreck porn; I had many a lol [18:32]
ben_vulpes trinque: [18:35]
assbot Django Girls one year later [] ... ( ) [18:35]
* mircea_popescu despises women in flats. [18:36]
trinque ambassador of awesomeness, dear god [18:38]
mircea_popescu words because words. [18:38]
trinque good a segue as any to: [18:38]
trinque <--> << there's something here which I've been chewing on for quite a while. I find that in myself past a certain point there are not words at all for the symbols I use to relate to my life. I've considered whether this is due to --> [18:38]
assbot Please take your pills. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [18:38]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 19:15:20; mircea_popescu: i would propose to you that's an excellent definition of a country : that place where young adults know who they are. [18:38]
shinohai I have women visit me, i detest going out to them. [18:38]
trinque [18:38]
assbot Logged on 18-04-2015 02:49:04; trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit [18:38]
trinque this problem of the language meaning not-one-damn-thing explains a great deal to me [18:39]
trinque I do wonder if anybody ever had words for the innermost stuff, or not [18:39]
mircea_popescu the words are fine. [18:39]
mircea_popescu just because you were stuck on windows web framework for a while means jack in the grand order. [18:40]
mircea_popescu a site's a site and a web's a web. [18:40]
shinohai "Primero hay que saber sufrir, despues amar, despues partir; y luego andar sin pensamiento." [18:40]
mircea_popescu right. how do you get them to leave ? [18:40]
ben_vulpes get? tell. [18:41]
mircea_popescu he's a softie. [18:41]
ben_vulpes give 'em a twenty [18:41]
ben_vulpes that way they won't come back :P [18:41]
mircea_popescu you'd be surprised. [18:42]
ben_vulpes it's not an insultingly low amount? [18:42]
ben_vulpes 200 i can see [18:42]
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mircea_popescu women don't care about being insulted by people they like. [18:42]
mircea_popescu "Listen to old Gloria. The greater the sacrifice you ask a woman to make, the more she knows you love her. Honestly." [18:43]
ben_vulpes ain't that the truth [18:43]
mircea_popescu or somethinglikethat. [18:43]
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mircea_popescu species would be in one helluva predicament if they did care. kids get pretty fucking insulting. [18:44]
ben_vulpes heh mostly in the sense of "i can't believe that you came out of me, idiot" [18:45]
ben_vulpes it's not so bad though! just mean reversion in your face. [18:45]
trinque ben_vulpes: you must've behaved yourself :D [18:46]
mircea_popescu he looks like he was a pretty well behaved kid, yeah. [18:46]
mircea_popescu still has all fingers, pansy shit like that. [18:46]
ben_vulpes oh ho ho [18:47]
ben_vulpes parents were just barely smart enough to know to not tell me what to do [18:47]
ben_vulpes i was just barely smart enough to break all of the rules without ever telling anyone [18:47]
mircea_popescu prolly never as much as set fire to the very boat keeping him afloat a glacier lake or anything [18:47]
ben_vulpes mutually assured ignorance [18:47]
mircea_popescu lol [18:47]
ben_vulpes actually there was one rule [18:48]
mircea_popescu in other news from hell, these fucktards actually put guar gum in CREAM [18:48]
ben_vulpes "don't get caught" [18:48]
mircea_popescu or what they call cream. fucking hell... [18:48]
trinque yeah, I was brazen enough to push, got corrected in kind, did me some good [18:48]
mircea_popescu i want my napolact sour cream pintsized jar! [18:48]
ben_vulpes ;;ud napolact [18:48]
gribble Google found nothing. [18:48]
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mircea_popescu lol [18:48]
ben_vulpes ;;google napolact [18:48]
gribble Napolact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Napolact - Wikipedia: ; Napolact - Cluj-Napoca, Romania - Food/Beverages - Wall | Facebook: [18:48]
mircea_popescu google... [18:48]
ben_vulpes wat [18:49]
mircea_popescu << must eat this [18:49]
assbot Super Market Online - Casa de Comenzi Online Bucuresti - Smantana Gospodar Napolact 400g ... ( ) [18:49]
mircea_popescu one is not a man until one has had smintina gospodar. [18:49]
mircea_popescu 75% fat. [18:49]
mircea_popescu also, [18:50]
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ben_vulpes trinque: make any progress through keene yet? [18:50]
trinque just ch1, plan to hit that more this eve [18:51]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: hyuuuuu [18:51]
ben_vulpes trinque: ch4's got some magic [18:51]
ben_vulpes define methods that run after other methods [18:52]
trinque sort of pre-post guard stuff? [18:52]
ben_vulpes yeah ish [18:52]
ben_vulpes (defmethod (setf side-a) :after ... ) runs after someone calls (setf (side-a instance-of-triangle-class)) [18:53]
cazalla <<< i think ethercoin is just some eth altcoin where each ethercoin is redeemable for 1 eth or some shit like that - catching up on logs so nfi if this was pointed out later [18:53]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 20:59:09; pete_dushenski: eth up a solid 20x over ipo price for those (like saifedean) who threw a couple bucks at it and are ready to cash the fuck out. [18:53]
ben_vulpes poor man's consistency check? [18:53]
trinque ben_vulpes: actually I'm growing convinced it's the rich man's [18:54]
trinque I can see all manner of places I can transplant db patterns into CLOS [18:54]
trinque slot accessors being one of them [18:54]
trinque "this shall have a goddamn foo" [18:54]
trinque "this shall have n goddamn foos" [18:54]
trinque so on [18:54]
ben_vulpes i'm not quite certain how persistence is supposed to work in the absence of an external database, and over restarts/redeploys. [18:55]
ben_vulpes i understand s-l-a-d, but not necesarily how to persist in-memory data structures over the running of a new system. [18:55]
trinque dunno that it can, but perhaps it amounts to the "table scan" step of the query pipeline [18:55]
trinque everything else being in your program proper [18:55]
ben_vulpes perhaps old system serializes its memory to disk before shutdown? [18:55]
trinque this is where I'd want to transactionally snapshot rather than -and-die [18:56]
trinque save-lisp-and-carry-on! [18:56]
ben_vulpes myeah, sure [18:56]
trinque the shuffling of objects looks a lot like mmap, I'd bet [18:57]
trinque I'm not clear on the interaction between long term storage and runtime just yet [18:57]
trinque but surely it was treated in the golden age [18:57]
ben_vulpes "statice" [18:57]
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gernika Can someone point me to the guide for installing gentoo properly for foundation purposes? Following the default guide and it's got steps for setting up systemd, which clearly I don't want. [18:59]
ben_vulpes and i'm not quite sure what the "select * from Y" equivalent in a cl proggie would be [18:59]
ben_vulpes !s gentoo guide [19:00]
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ben_vulpes gernika: see above [19:00]
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ben_vulpes << mod6 is this still up to date? [19:00]
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gernika ben_vulpes thanks [19:03]
ben_vulpes !s -e [19:05]
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trinque ben_vulpes: perhaps CLOS calls for a greater distinction between your base facts and derived facts [19:05]
trinque that is a question of mine as well, though [19:05]
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trinque what I mean is, say you want to work on n slots, perhaps you just bail to regular CL data structures from there [19:06]
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BingoBoingo Come on scoopy, what does the Friday newsdump have in store for us. [19:15]
cazalla <<< i've seen this maccas kiosk images a few times now [19:15]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 02:37:25; BingoBoingo: Well, they will probably keep humans at the cash register to provide a surface for customers to direct anger at. [19:15]
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trinque cazalla: that's going to be the ass end of asciilifeform's coke machine [19:17]
scoopbot_revived France Seeks to Impose "Right to be Forgotten" Globally [19:19]
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BingoBoingo cazalla: They throw that image around to hide the truth. No one "flips" burgers there anymore. [19:34]
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BingoBoingo * mircea_popescu despises women in flats. << No heel here [19:55]
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ben_vulpes eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [19:56]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al: heel shoes always seemed to me a slightly milder version of chinese foot-binding... [20:12]
asciilifeform looks like trinque forgot to link his patch here? >>>> <<<< [20:13]
assbot [BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( ) [20:13]
asciilifeform ^ anyone who had troubles with 'rotor', plz read ^ ! [20:14]
asciilifeform hanbot et al ^^^ [20:14]
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trinque asciilifeform: I did, thank you sir [20:29]
trinque and I meant to attach the thing, but apparently need to lern2emacs [20:29]
trinque so if that thing's suitable, great, otherwise I'll send it again [20:29]
mod6 yeah. the patch itself is mundged when sent like that because gnupg tries to escape hyphens; which is why "- ---" and "- -../dist/configure ..." happens. [20:36]
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phf save-lisp-and-carry-on! << this is handled with a posix fork. also lets you do any sort of cleanup in child before dump, like closing socket connections and such. [20:48]
mircea_popescu cazalla has not o.O [20:52]
mircea_popescu so they don't actually have the product but are releasing a hype condenser ? [20:52]
mircea_popescu << and once they're done with that, they may move on to imposing "married woman's right to be free from dna testing of offspring" globally. [20:54]
assbot France Seeks to Impose "Right to be Forgotten" Globally | Qntra ... ( ) [20:54]
mircea_popescu possibly the most batshit insane thing about france today is that you go to jail for having one done ABROAD. [20:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's exactly what it is. a milder version of chinese foot binding. [20:55]
BingoBoingo Oh and a qntra post just fell out of reddit completely this time. [20:55]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pretty great closer lol. [20:56]
BingoBoingo ty [20:56]
mircea_popescu anyway, whole french state can go hang. nobody has any right to be forgotten as long as i fucking live. for any reason under any circumstances in any context. [20:56]
mircea_popescu i live to make whatever selection of inconvenient facts about the living and the dead a huge pain in their ass. [20:56]
mircea_popescu never forget. [20:57]
BingoBoingo seems to be missing from... or any other avenue of discovery that isn't a direct link... [20:57]
assbot Selkis Tips Fiat Agenda For Bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( ) [20:57]
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mircea_popescu << saving this for later, who knows, might be needed. [20:58]
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shinohai iirc, didn't mircea_popescu tip 4 tits one time? [20:59]
mircea_popescu i wut ? [20:59]
shinohai I swore I remember a trilema article where you paid chicks 0.5 to show tits in here. [21:00]
shinohai I may be high. [21:00]
mircea_popescu oh [21:00]
mircea_popescu ;;google ill pay for your tits [21:00]
gribble I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Smurfs xxx (plus words) - YouTube: ; 100 Bucks to Touch Your Boobs - YouTube: [21:00]
shinohai Why yes, that is the one. That means I am not quite as inebriated as I thought. [21:02]
cazalla mircea_popescu, no, i think someone else just created a knock off to skim a little more cream off the top .. (regged august last year) that is the coin pete linked anyway, not legit scam eth [21:02]
assbot ... ( ) [21:02]
mircea_popescu o.O [21:02]
mircea_popescu scams atop scams... [21:02]
shinohai That's all the altcoin world is [21:03]
BingoBoingo [21:04]
assbot How many tumblrinas does it take to change a lightbulb? : Jokes ... ( ) [21:04]
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phf trinque: [21:08]
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mircea_popescu << on top of everything else, phf shares alf's passion for a certain large cat! [21:11]
assbot pf (Philip Fominykh) · GitHub ... ( ) [21:11]
shinohai pallas [21:12]
phf ha [21:13]
phf i mostly need to make sure my developers get the right idea [21:14]
mircea_popescu what idea is that ? [21:14]
phf your merge request is probably poor, and i will get mad [21:16]
mircea_popescu haha i c [21:17]
ben_vulpes hey phf how much of bitcoind have you implemented in common lisp yet? [21:18]
shinohai [21:19]
shinohai bout time [21:19]
mircea_popescu dude the dumb fuck actually stuck around ? [21:20]
mircea_popescu too fat to fly or what exactly. [21:20]
phf ben_vulpes: since last time i only added blkindex.dat reader [21:21]
shinohai I would have thought he would already have been waaaaaaaaaaay away [21:21]
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shinohai fagical tux [21:21]
mircea_popescu i guess they served him with a stay put order a year ago [21:21]
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ben_vulpes p nice, phf [21:23]
mircea_popescu !up alpalp [21:23]
-assbot- You voiced alpalp for 30 minutes. [21:23]
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shinohai I just don't see this as a stellar idea: [21:24]
assbot This Startup Wants To Help Insurers Track Your Driving Habits Through Your Phone - Forbes ... ( ) [21:24]
shinohai unless you are an insurer [21:25]
phf ben_vulpes: your discussion with trinque is apropos. naggum had a technique described in one of his emails, where he would load/unload clos objects' data transparently on demand. i want to experiment with that as far as block index [21:25]
* mircea_popescu is curious what comes of this. [21:25]
alpalp :mircea_popescu: ty [21:26]
mircea_popescu aha. what brings you here alpalp [21:26]
alpalp Just seen some good conversations [21:26]
alpalp friend of pierres [21:26]
asciilifeform << l0l, polish partizan flag !? [21:26]
mircea_popescu cool [21:26]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 23:55:04; mircea_popescu: << saving this for later, who knows, might be needed. [21:26]
alpalp Think I saw something with loltwobitidiot today on twitter where someone destroyed him in here [21:27]
ben_vulpes phf: we're drinking and talking about how to persist data appropriately in cl proggies as we speak [21:27]
ben_vulpes s/in/from [21:27]
alpalp i have been drinking as well [21:27]
mircea_popescu alpalp i don't think b-a was ever too impressed with the guy. [21:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have one with polish panzers from ww2 too! [21:28]
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alpalp Nope, he had some inside leak on gox and besides that been lol [21:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l! yes, them. [21:28]
alpalp Met him last year, def does not get it. [21:28]
mircea_popescu (contrary to what superficial students of history may surmise, i did mean the background ones) [21:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i was going over your proposed algo for tx cache eugenics. seems to me like it is suboptimal, in that it only rejects or accepts ~new~ tx based on net loss/gain. what it ~really~ ought to do is to keep the cache sorted by $/mass at all times, and ~evict the bottom loser~ every time the cache fills and a winner knocks on the door. [21:29]
mircea_popescu i thought this is what i had proposed. [21:29]
mircea_popescu course earlier today was like the 4th restatement, and i am not known for improved expression over time. [21:29]
asciilifeform mno, [21:30]
asciilifeform [21:30]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 17:27:00; mircea_popescu: ascii_field again : we have a pool of X bytes. tx are allowed in only if they pay more than average fore that x. [21:30]
asciilifeform ^ iirc this was in all 4 suggested versions [21:30]
asciilifeform 'accept or reject every incoming tx based on where it falls with respect to average $/mass' [21:30]
asciilifeform and now for part 2 of the algo, [21:31]
mircea_popescu im too lazy to dig through the logs. but yes, your thing's the winner. [21:31]
asciilifeform the obvious thing to do after this: [21:31]
asciilifeform let ~peers~ access the cream of tx (top of sorted cache) [21:31]
mircea_popescu aha. [21:31]
mircea_popescu kinda the whole point. [21:31]
asciilifeform not everyone, mind you [21:31]
asciilifeform but ~peers~ [21:32]
mircea_popescu peers/payers [21:32]
asciilifeform as in, folks who paid for the vpn key. [21:32]
asciilifeform aha. [21:32]
mircea_popescu should also allow those peers that provide the fat. [21:32]
asciilifeform how's that work [21:32]
mircea_popescu (original design was to simply shutter all connecting peers that fail to provide good $$$ txn, in some sort of %) [21:33]
asciilifeform thing is, this'll result in a very random selection at present [21:33]
asciilifeform just like disconnecting bastard-spewers [21:33]
mircea_popescu random is hard to beat in practice. [21:33]
mircea_popescu moreover, random is what spwaned forth the incredible complexity of life. [21:33]
asciilifeform what i mean is that presently, a disconnect costs us. [21:33]
mircea_popescu let there be a selection pressure in this petri dish. [21:33]
asciilifeform in that there aren't that many folks on decent pipes connecting [21:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and not fucking all comers costs the female, too. [21:34]
asciilifeform and losing one statistically means that it is replaced by cattle on dsl [21:34]
mircea_popescu i think this is one of those situation where suboptimal wins. let us "lose", i'll take the loss. [21:34]
asciilifeform wanna suggest a numeric value for the penalty constant ? [21:35]
asciilifeform or hell, we can make it a knob. [21:35]
mircea_popescu config file. [21:35]
mircea_popescu ^ [21:35]
asciilifeform aha. [21:35]
asciilifeform so i'm still at a loss as to how to subscribe those that supply the fat. [21:35]
mircea_popescu well what i was thinking was the converse (shuttering those who fail to provide acceptable txn, in sufficient proportion) [21:36]
mircea_popescu it's a start. [21:36]
mircea_popescu it leads to the following game theoretical situation : want your node to be well connected ? simply tell IT your decent fee paying txn. [21:37]
mircea_popescu sort of like those robot fight cage matches things. [21:37]
asciilifeform ^ this was sorta where i wanted to go [21:37]
asciilifeform however, the friction has to be sufficiently low [21:37]
mircea_popescu we're rich, we can afford not to give a shit atm. [21:38]
mircea_popescu later on, unstoppable. [21:38]
mircea_popescu because, as they say in omaha, "you're smart and i'm right, you'll figure it out" [21:38]
asciilifeform what i mean is, it has to be +ev for someone to even touch this. [21:38]
asciilifeform (someone other than us maniacs) [21:38]
mircea_popescu us maniacs are really all that matters, in the grander scheme of things. [21:38]
asciilifeform but we don't mine. [21:38]
asciilifeform (afaik...) [21:38]
mircea_popescu doesn't matter. [21:38]
asciilifeform except that, as i understand, this is a mechanism where miner is one of the moving parts [21:39]
asciilifeform what am i missing ? [21:39]
mircea_popescu suppose we're in the park. "throw the crumbs over there" "but the birds won't see them" "doesn't matter, we're the only things that matter here" "but we don't cluck" [21:40]
mircea_popescu indeed, we don't. [21:40]
mircea_popescu we also don't die if we miss the crumbs. [21:40]
asciilifeform that's kinda what i meant by +ev [21:40]
mircea_popescu for instance : i will be putting all my txn out through my own nodes, once this exists. [21:40]
mircea_popescu im currently about 1/3 the reason bitpay even stays in business, fwiw (not much). [21:41]
asciilifeform l0l!! [21:41]
mircea_popescu heck, last month i was a good chunk of coinbase too, because of that buysellads failed experiment. [21:41]
mircea_popescu and other such things. [21:42]
asciilifeform usg's #1 source of coin ! [21:42]
asciilifeform mega-l0lzie [21:42]
* mircea_popescu is tolerant. [21:42]
asciilifeform birdz gotta eat. [21:42]
asciilifeform << in other lulz [21:43]
assbot Stupid Patent of the Month: Trolls Go After Sex Toy Manufacturers | Electronic Frontier Foundation ... ( ) [21:44]
mircea_popescu in any case : reasonable bw, fee paying no bs txn is a very hard to beat prop, ev wise. [21:45]
mircea_popescu in fact it may actually be more productive for nearby miner to mine based off our nodes than the stupid shit the chinese do currenty [21:45]
* asciilifeform resigns to probably having to write this, too. [21:45]
mircea_popescu it's no emergency really, if its in by the next halving it's soon enough. [21:45]
* asciilifeform or rather, to testing the version he secretly wrote already [21:46]
mircea_popescu they should have gasenwagen'd you when they had the chance, eh ? [21:46]
asciilifeform plenty of time. [21:46]
mircea_popescu for they ion the know : i got a pile of specialty chocolates here, and i will win the fight! [21:47]
mircea_popescu ahahaha ouch. [21:49]
asciilifeform hanbot might find out the next time asciilifeform visits [21:49]
hanbot :D [21:49]
cazalla deedbot- [21:50]
assbot ... ( ) [21:50]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [21:50]
mircea_popescu 11,219 words woot, is that the record ? [21:50]
cazalla nope, i think that is like 15k maybe [21:51]
mircea_popescu aha [21:51]
* asciilifeform bbl [21:51]
cazalla but considering ddos and my return to full time employment, not a bad month [21:51]
scoopbot_revived Qntra (S.QNTR) July 2015 Statement [21:51]
mircea_popescu 12k in march too [21:52]
BingoBoingo Not bad for DDoS month [21:52]
mircea_popescu q1 levels. [21:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2938 @ 0.00110999 = 3.2612 BTC [+] {2} [21:53]
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trinque qntra's my preferred news source, point blank. [21:55]
trinque refreshing break from the endless horse-shit elsewhere [21:56]
shinohai ^ [22:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00053791 = 12.3181 BTC [+] [22:03]
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cazalla <<< i've seen so many of these floating around that i think they publish it to facebook on purpose [22:39]
assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 21:47:25; mircea_popescu: also, [22:39]
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BingoBoingo Did we all get wedged off again? [22:48]
danielpbarron height=367850 [22:49]
BingoBoingo I'm at 367850 but apparently there is a 367857 floating around somewhere? [22:49]
danielpbarron ;;blockheight [22:49]
gribble Error: "blockheight" is not a valid command. [22:49]
danielpbarron ;;lastblock [22:50]
gribble Error: "lastblock" is not a valid command. [22:50]
danielpbarron ;;tslb [22:50]
gribble Time since last block: 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 28 seconds [22:50]
BingoBoingo Showing a 367858 nao [22:50]
BingoBoingo [22:50]
assbot ... ( ) [22:50]
BingoBoingo Just there, not here [22:50]
BingoBoingo Big, lots of fees wonder where the turd is [22:52]
assbot ... ( ) [22:52]
cazalla ;;later tell mark_zuckerberg hey, grats on the daughter, she'll come of age just in time! [22:52]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:52]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( ) [22:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00051121 = 9.5085 BTC [-] [22:54]
BingoBoingo Anyone with a sync'd foundation build know what 367851's problem is? ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform? [22:54]
BingoBoingo SPV miner turdations? [22:56]
assbot F2Pool setting a new record - Most transactions included in a Block : Bitcoin ... ( ) [22:56]
punkman mircea_popescu: trinque you old enough to remember when neobee took over cypruss or notrly ? << I remember their derpy tv ads, unfortunately couldn't find them recently, wanted to show a friend [23:12]
punkman "The one rule they have adhered to throughout the Django Girls process is to "always go the extra mile" and the details of the workshops show this, they said. The room is decorated with flowers and balloons, rather than being a "boring classroom" and they do fun things like cupcake tasting or yoga during the day. " [23:16]
punkman yeah need more fun things to do instead of programming [23:16]
punkman because that's icky [23:16]
mircea_popescu right ? [23:16]
mircea_popescu you'll get more women in tech by making tech more like birthing class. [23:16]
* BingoBoingo backing up blockchain, going to see if doubling DB locks fixes anything [23:17]
punkman [23:17]
assbot Introduction | Django Girls Coaching Manual ... ( ) [23:17]
mircea_popescu sad that they've gotten us girls so ashamed of cupcakes by now it gotta be a "tasting", it can't be just you know, EATING [23:18]
mircea_popescu like it were alcohol or something [23:18]
mircea_popescu dirty in the eyes of the hunchback protestant microgod. [23:19]
punkman "Make sure their experience is positive and that they have fun. Do not judge, be helpful and appreciate their (in-)abilities." [23:19]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not clear yet. [23:20]
trinque punkman: how in the fuck do you think without judging? [23:20]
punkman trinque: don't judge [23:20]
mircea_popescu "The ability to answer all sorts of questions in a beginner-friendly way (even if that means the explanation isn’t technically precise)" [23:20]
mircea_popescu they're like purposefully useless. [23:20]
trinque punkman: mooo [23:20]
trinque once you can internalize a lie like "don't judge" you're broken [23:22]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo not clear yet. << Well just a few minutes until my pure blockchain finishes copying to safety so I can test something [23:22]
trinque how could you possibly exit that state? [23:22]
mircea_popescu beatings. [23:23]
trinque certainly not from within, that's for sure. [23:23]
trinque that there are "stuck" human states *necessitates* the beatings [23:24]
BingoBoingo K, moar locks doesn't seem to be fixing wedge [23:27]
punkman Q: Is there a Django Girls for men? A: There doesn't seem to be a need for Django Boys at the moment. [23:27]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i doubt the scamfoundation/obsolete bitcoind will be resurectable on the mid term. [23:27]
BingoBoingo Seems likely. I'm just wondering what this crud is that wedged just now. [23:28]
mircea_popescu << apparewntly dpb has been doing his own version of b-a bash [23:29]
assbot Daniel P. Barron (@danielpbarron) | Twitter ... ( ) [23:29]
cazalla BingoBoingo, apparently ya were trollin' [23:29]
danielpbarron heh yeah [23:29]
trinque god damn it, neighbor's drunk singing soul music [23:30]
trinque I'm a little buzzed, any soul music coming out of me? [23:30]
trinque damn right there's not [23:30]
cazalla ah shit, danielpbarron beat me to it [23:31]
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decimation re: tx fees & relays: it would be interesting if there could be some kind of market for fees [23:31]
mircea_popescu << i lulzd. [23:31]
decimation but I'm not sure how to do it without introducing more centralization [23:31]
mircea_popescu frenchie gets it quite exactly, we're at that creepy stalking phase atm [23:32]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron so you actually got teh tools for sunday ? [23:33]
decimation it's more like it's 1906 in the aircraft business [23:33]
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BingoBoingo Oh test node with megalocks is now at 367863 [23:34]
BingoBoingo !up TheButterZone [23:34]
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decimation I suppose the 'market' will just be what happens naturally as folks shop around for reliable nodes [23:34]
mircea_popescu decimation i would imagine it should be emergent. [23:35]
mircea_popescu right. [23:35]
mircea_popescu one of the funniest things i saw in egypt was the following thing : [23:35]
mircea_popescu i'd go into a shop, ask for something. shop owner would run me off to a different shop (i kid you not, leave his thing, wide open, whatever - nobody steals in arabworld apparently) [23:35]
mircea_popescu and the other guy would sell me whatever and then pass the original guy a bill or two. [23:35]
trinque chop off hands for a while and look what happens [23:36]
mircea_popescu because baksheesh is a way of life. [23:36]
decimation lol [23:36]
mircea_popescu i kid you not. [23:36]
decimation they are a culture of middlemen [23:36]
decimation I suppose cooperating in this way, the whole town is 'walmart' [23:36]
mircea_popescu and seeiong how their lyra was at the time ~a quarter, i expect they got the value of txn just about precisely enough to be usable in bitcoin [23:37]
mircea_popescu ie, to the 10-100 satoshi [23:37]
punkman so if Hearn trusts in the Gospel of Satoshi, why isn't he running 0.1 or 0.5.3? "No it wasn't. That is something you invented yourself much later. "Small devices" isn't even defined anywhere, so there can't have been any such understanding. The actual understanding was the opposite. Satoshi's words: ..." [23:37]
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mircea_popescu amusingly, the jew, coptic and muslim groups crossed borders, too! [23:37]
BingoBoingo All interested parties here is my debug.log [23:37]
mircea_popescu in fact - pretty much everything in the "received knowledge" of jews is hysterically counter-realistic to anyone who has you know, actually travelled. [23:37]
danielpbarron mircea_popescu> danielpbarron so you actually got the tools for sunday ? << i got 9 axes and 9 hoes and i'm just now working on adzes (which require a slightly different method) [23:38]
mircea_popescu by which i mean... outside of iowa. [23:38]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron prolly should publishe the whole thing monday. it's not a trivial math problem [23:38]
mircea_popescu well, asciilifeform would say it is, sure. but there's levels in triviality. [23:38]
mircea_popescu !up jnpn [23:38]
-assbot- You voiced jnpn for 30 minutes. [23:38]
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danielpbarron it sorta is trivial [23:38]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron you got the actual function to select optimal usage/mixage of tools given a set ? [23:39]
danielpbarron yes [23:39]
mircea_popescu in lisp ? [23:40]
danielpbarron no [23:40]
mircea_popescu (probably ideal usage of lisp, check me out phf im doing lisp girls coach over here!) [23:40]
danielpbarron well i don't have a function; i have a formula [23:40]
danielpbarron and equation rather [23:40]
mircea_popescu aha. [23:40]
mircea_popescu actually this'd prollybe interesting to our very own gabriel_laddel too. [23:41]
phf i misread that as "couch", was not surprised [23:41]
danielpbarron it took me a day of thinking about it off and on to come up with [23:41]
mircea_popescu lol [23:42]
BingoBoingo My favorite part of reading my debug.log is getting to see all the transactions that don't make it to the mempool [23:42]
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mircea_popescu (the problem, ftr, is : you get a set of tools, with arbitrary durability. you can mix any set (which floor-averages), and decay any individual tool (fixed rate). make a collection of 9 with durabilities from 1 to 9) [23:43]
mircea_popescu in practice the mix operation is cheap and the decay operation expensive. [23:43]
mircea_popescu so, find optimal path and prove it's optimal. [23:44]
danielpbarron i plug in a few numbers into equation, solve for x, paste my macro x-many times, let it run while i do other stuff [23:44]
mircea_popescu for bonus points, offer preference criterion (would A or B be more beneficial if added to the set) [23:44]
mircea_popescu decimation tis a hack. [23:44]
danielpbarron i might not be doing it optimally [23:45]
danielpbarron but we need the explored resources anyway; it's not like i'm wasting time doing somethign i wouldn't have done otherwise [23:45]
mircea_popescu ah not at all [23:45]
mircea_popescu was just going after the math angle of it for a second [23:45]
mircea_popescu and in other news, kittens! [23:49]
assbot ... ( ) [23:49]
trinque mircea_popescu: that show up on your doorstep? [23:49]
mircea_popescu wut ? [23:49]
trinque the kittne! [23:49]
trinque *kitten [23:49]
punkman [23:50]
assbot Coding Like a Girl — Medium ... ( ) [23:50]
mircea_popescu tis teh internet! [23:51]
mircea_popescu "Heartbreakingly, at some age, we become convinced that doing anything like a girl means that you are doing it ineffectively, wimpily, and in a way that can’t be taken seriously at all." [23:51]
mircea_popescu ahahaha wut [23:51]
mircea_popescu no dude, not heartbreakingly. the only human dumb enough to imagine girlhood's right is the girl in question. [23:52]
mircea_popescu girlhood's something you hopefully grow out of. failure to grow out of it is the definition of retardation. [23:52]
mircea_popescu ie, it takes you longer, perhaps infinitely long, to mature. [23:52]
punkman it's mostly about clothes [23:52]
punkman (the article) [23:52]
mircea_popescu heh. [23:53]
mircea_popescu anyway. why can't "coding like a girl" mean you write good documentation, for instance ? [23:53]
mircea_popescu that's what i would like it to mean. "this was coded by a girl" should be the indication that if i follow the fucking thing, i get the intended result. NOT some error message. [23:53]
mircea_popescu i've had enough of boy coding to last me five generations of myself. [23:53]
decimation wimmin in tech! [23:54]
mircea_popescu if i fuck her i get off, no exceptions ; if i follow her recipe i get a build - no exceptions. this is what it should be. [23:54]
trinque "She went back home that night really frustrated and flustered." [23:59]
trinque so... don't! [23:59]
trinque fight 'em [23:59]
trinque and stop waiting for someone to accept you [23:59]
trinque then from the other angle, maybe she looked great in that dress, and the neckbeards couldn't take the heat [23:59]
trinque so what? [23:59]
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