Forum logs for 30 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14036 @ 0.00080404 = 11.2855 BTC [-] {3}	[00:02]
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adlai	https://eprint.iacr.org/2011/207.pdf <- why isn't this called POO	[00:02]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: seen his stuff before.	[00:03]
ben_vulpes	not acquainted in person.	[00:03]
ben_vulpes	kakobrekla: no idea.	[00:03]
ben_vulpes	HAVE A USELESS BUG REPORT BRO	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes ah in that sense. what i mean is, there's plenty of talent out there. whether the talent is in the wot or not about 1000x as much as a factor as how good stuff they got in their portofolio	[00:03]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: ah, i see. well, i enjoy his animations but my taste may not align with anyone else's.	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	this is the time when mediocre artists get to become stars, simply for moving faster than the average "talented" idiot.	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	exactly like picasso did, back in his day.	[00:04]
ben_vulpes	undata, mircea_popescu: more felix colgrave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUR09yRHZU	[00:04]
assbot	The Elephant's Garden - YouTube	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	nobody remembers godward today ( http://trilema.com/2010/lumea-nu-i-de-ajuns/ )	[00:05]
assbot	Lumea nu-i de-ajuns pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[00:05]
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mircea_popescu	much more talented, but... who cares. so he killed himself because picasso was way ahead.	[00:05]
ben_vulpes	for some reason i think asciilifeform would like the above linked video too	[00:06]
ttnews_	any guess as to how low bitcoin will go?	[00:10]
los_pantalones	$1	[00:10]
ben_vulpes	assets is now on a hallutropic interlude ttnews_	[00:10]
ben_vulpes	they'll be right back.	[00:10]
undata	liked it.	[00:10]
adlai	ttnews_: bitcoin clearly doesn't have a single price yet, so on which market are you wondering?	[00:10]
undata	ben_vulpes: you may enjoy the game Machinarium	[00:10]
undata	"Amanita Design" created it	[00:11]
ttnews_	I'm a newb made a big mistake and longed at 348. I read a website claiming it could go to 320 or as low as 280. I don't wanna panic but then again i get the feeling like i should cut my losses then short it since the stock market did crappy	[00:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00081021 = 12.0721 BTC [+]	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	ttnews_ noobs have no business playing speculator with their consumer savings.	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	reduce your holdings to something comensurate with your means and go read up on bitcoin.	[00:13]
los_pantalones	^	[00:13]
ttnews_	is there any way i can salvage the dmg caused so far. I lose everything at $321 but I'm thinking it could bounce back and rise? fml...	[00:15]
ben_vulpes	ttnews_: time heals all wounds.	[00:15]
ttnews_	ty ben.	[00:16]
los_pantalones	you lose everything? don't quite understand that	[00:16]
mike_c	margin!	[00:16]
los_pantalones	oh christ	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones he probably bought who knows what overleveraged nonsense	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	binary options, what have you	[00:16]
los_pantalones	lose it and sail quietly into the dusk	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	ask your wife/gf/so to give you 100 lashes to the bare buttocks while at it.	[00:17]
los_pantalones	NO! he might want that	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	you know the one where two traditional parents find some pretty heavy bdsm porny magazines in junior's room ?	[00:18]
los_pantalones	n	[00:18]
ttnews_	yea margin - i'm a sucker	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	cue to them sitting pensively around the kitchen table. after a while, wife : "i think we shouldn't punish him..."	[00:18]
los_pantalones	haha	[00:19]
los_pantalones	ttnews_ why would you trade something that drifts 5% overnight	[00:19]
los_pantalones	on margin	[00:19]
los_pantalones	also, you understand this selloff is specifically targeted to squeeze ppl like you out of the market?	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones i guess you misses that one time when it went 400% in two hours.	[00:19]
los_pantalones	and bitpay	[00:19]
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ttnews_	yes - short squeeze.. i'm learning the terms. another term i'm very knowledgable on: murphy's law	[00:20]
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mircea_popescu	how old are you anyway ?	[00:21]
los_pantalones	mircea, don't kill him, please, enough carnage for one night	[00:21]
ttnews_	34	[00:21]
los_pantalones	STOP	[00:21]
los_pantalones	you sound 14	[00:21]
undata	"I've never shot a gun before. I got this AR15; now my feet are gone. Guys, what do I do?"	[00:22]
los_pantalones	got any bullets left ?	[00:22]
undata	los_pantalones: just one	[00:22]
los_pantalones	you know what to do	[00:22]
undata	aye captain	[00:22]
undata	even on /r/bitcoin there have been numerous, NUMEROUS horror stories about this.	[00:23]
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undata	the solution is to never gamble again.	[00:23]
undata	solved.	[00:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00081021 = 1.7014 BTC [+]	[00:23]
ttnews_	i got the charts right just panicked like a newb - if I were a little more patient I'd be doing great now...	[00:24]
ben_vulpes	what is this, torture hour in -assets?	[00:24]
ttnews_	lol	[00:25]
los_pantalones	CHARTS!	[00:25]
los_pantalones	and with that	[00:25]
los_pantalones	i'm out	[00:25]
ben_vulpes	roast the poor squeezed longs in the forum as an example.	[00:25]
los_pantalones	night boys	[00:25]
Apocalyptic	"if I were a little more patient I'd be doing great now..." // the noob fallacy, as it there was a way to perfectly time the bottom	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	he got the charts right lol	[00:25]
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ben_vulpes	adios los_pantalones	[00:25]
Apocalyptic	*as if	[00:25]
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undata	ben_vulpes: is that an invitation?	[00:25]
undata	haha	[00:25]
Apocalyptic	mircea, but it's TA ! it must be working	[00:25]
ttnews_	go for it, i deserve it	[00:25]
ben_vulpes	undata: it's the forum, you can speak, you don't need any permission from me.	[00:26]
undata	ben_vulpes: you said "goodbye pants"	[00:26]
ben_vulpes	my position on trading's an open secret.	[00:26]
ben_vulpes	oh ho ho you funny man.	[00:26]
ben_vulpes	hey mircea_popescu you doing any of this? http://www.openhousebsas.org/	[00:26]
assbot	48h Open House Buenos Aires	[00:26]
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mircea_popescu	l.o.l.	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	no.	[00:27]
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ben_vulpes	salud, bitstein	[00:31]
bitstein	howdy	[00:31]
ben_vulpes	ca va?	[00:31]
bitstein	Good. Yourself?	[00:32]
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nubbins`	<+ben_vulpes> kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/dBbNKqj.png << chrome <<< same happens here	[00:32]
jurov	;;ticker	[00:33]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 336.34, Best ask: 336.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.64000, Last trade: 336.34, 24 hour volume: 12803.75420714, 24 hour low: 336.01, 24 hour high: 357.45, 24 hour vwap: 345.185687843	[00:33]
nubbins`	kakobrekla: add a after ...	[00:33]
nubbins`	just before the first	[00:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00080299 = 17.8264 BTC [-] {2}	[00:35]
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thestringpuller	bitstein I hung out with you're buddy Pierre_Rochard last week. Cool dude.	[00:39]
thestringpuller	your*	[00:39]
ben_vulpes	;;ident bitstein	[00:39]
gribble	Nick 'bitstein', with hostmask 'bitstein!~bitstein@cpe-72-182-53-175.austin.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'bitstein', with GPG key id 1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, key fingerprint 2CEA814804FCF14D9C1AE8EA1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, and bitcoin address None	[00:39]
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Pierre_Rochard	;;ident thestringpuller	[00:39]
gribble	Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None	[00:39]
ben_vulpes	;;gettrust Pierre_Rochard	[00:39]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Pierre_Rochard!~Pierre@c-98-251-108-249.hsd1.ga.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Pierre_Rochard \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Pierre_Rochard \| Rated since: Sun Jun 1 10:18:50 2014	[00:39]
Pierre_Rochard	;;gettrust thestringpuller	[00:39]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user Pierre_Rochard to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Pierre_Rochard&dest=thestringpuller \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller \| Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012	[00:39]
bitstein	thestringpuller: I heard good things.	[00:39]
BingoBoingo	http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2014/10/29/10568120.aspx	[00:40]
assbot	The contents of the Start page are not programmatically accessible - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs	[00:40]
Pierre_Rochard	;;rate thestringpuller 2 “lives in atl, didn’t scam me”	[00:40]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user thestringpuller has been recorded.	[00:40]
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BingoBoingo	!up long-day	[00:41]
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BingoBoingo	!up doomtoshi	[00:41]
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long-day	ty Bingo	[00:42]
thestringpuller	;;rate Pierre_Rochard 2 met in real life. can confirm is real person.	[00:42]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user Pierre_Rochard has been recorded.	[00:42]
ben_vulpes	dafuq is a real person.	[00:43]
bounce	a bezzler? like fiat money is supposedly "real" money?	[00:43]
*	bounce grapples with the concept	[00:44]
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long-day	exactly - it's not which why I don't see how most can't see that it's great that bitcoin is giving the fiat $ competition	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	that didn't parse.	[00:46]
thestringpuller	!s punkbot	[00:46]
assbot	40 results for 'punkbot' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=punkbot	[00:46]
Pierre_Rochard	ben_vulpes: the opposite of gribble, not a bot. Generous on thestringpuller’s part, I’m probably somewhere in between a bot and a real person	[00:47]
long-day	this is ttnews by the way-- i'm a journalist and my wish is to learn this and to promote it on my news network/podcast/websites/facebook pages. I know this is the future and I've got quite a large reach so I know I can do a lot of good. I'm obviously desperate coming on here. And I take it trading margin on bitfinix is not suggested by you guys... and I didn't put all my eggs in one basket but I do learn from my mistakes and	[00:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17314 @ 0.00080149 = 13.877 BTC [-]	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	specifically what network ?	[00:49]
ben_vulpes	Pierre_Rochard: well by that token we're all "real people"	[00:50]
ben_vulpes	'cept mebbe long-lost right here as he ain't got a key to speak of.	[00:50]
long-day	I'm embarassed as it is which is why I'm anonymous right now.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	real keypeople!	[00:50]
ben_vulpes	probably the best thing you could do is enter at this low point and then demonstrate the abilit to learn, long-day.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	!s bitfinex	[00:51]
assbot	303 results for 'bitfinex' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitfinex	[00:51]
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bounce	what's with the desperation?	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	yeah ben_vulpes has it. there's excellent reason why i ask girls to camwhumiliate themselves. best starting point is utter shame.	[00:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00079669 = 5.4175 BTC [-]	[00:53]
asciilifeform	best starting point is utter shame << lol! how, then, to shame the already shamed?	[00:53]
long-day	some of the fb pages I manage are "end the fed" and "jesse ventura 2016" about a dozen more. My gf's reach is crazy (about 16-26 million people a week). Idk why I'm desperate.. maybe because my dad failed at the stock market and and I don't like him very much...	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform which is why they got a problem. shat all over their entry point.	[00:54]
long-day	because I wanna buy my mom a new roof for her house and take care of her.	[00:54]
ben_vulpes	that burning feeling of imitating thy fathers failures.	[00:54]
bounce	yay fibbing	[00:54]
BingoBoingo	long-day: The last serious market, MPEx, pulled out of BTC Options after the Putocolypse.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	;;google jesse ventura	[00:54]
gribble	Jesse Ventura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Off The Grid - Ora.Tv: ; Jesse Ventura - YouTube:	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	James George Janos (born July 15, 1951), better known by his stage name, Jesse Ventura, is an American politician, actor, author, naval veteran, and former professional wrestler who served as the 38th Governor of Minnesota from 1999 to 2003.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	o.O. the endless variety of us peoples, or how did that quote go.	[00:55]
bounce	the website is at peopleofwalmart.com	[00:55]
long-day	alright, I will be googling most of what you said word by word so I better understand what you mean. I appreciate it.	[00:55]
bounce	promises, promises. good thing the logs are patient. and usually there, too.	[00:56]
BingoBoingo	There's also a log of the logs if the logs go down	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	long-day how do you figure a facebook page has any reach, and how do you quantify it to 20mn people a week ?	[00:57]
bounce	it's the network effect, see?	[00:57]
long-day	my pages don't have that huge of a reach but my gf is cofounder of some big organizations and is admin on about 30 pages, half of which have about half a million subscribers each	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 15 * .5	[00:58]
gribble	7.5	[00:58]
long-day	my pages only have 50-70k people subscribed on each.	[00:58]
punkman	Useful GPG stuff: https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair	[00:58]
assbot	coruus/cooperpair · GitHub	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	course, facebook subscribers != people, and facebook subscribers != weekly.	[00:58]
punkman	also PSA: don't use keyids in contracts, go for fingerprint	[00:58]
asciilifeform	gotta love modern spamatronic engineering terms like 'efficiency', 'reach.' they take arguments! but somehow always implicit - you can say 'reach' without saying 'reach what' ??! it's as if we were writing perl.	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	punkman standard mpex practice too.	[00:58]
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mircea_popescu	"it's as if we were writing perl." << bwahhaha	[00:59]
punkman	good default for your gpg config https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/blob/master/saneprefs/gpg.conf	[00:59]
assbot	cooperpair/gpg.conf at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	the problem is you russian folk can't say the woman had tea without specifying if she was sitting down and how hot was it!	[00:59]
asciilifeform	l0l	[00:59]
asciilifeform	and without saying, with what orifice she imbibed!	[01:00]
long-day	well... 20 million people reached a week just means 20 million people total scroll past her posts on her feeds - doesn't necessarily mean they all click on her posts :-/ but if the blog/video is good enough and she posts it, it will go viral	[01:00]
BingoBoingo	Shame I'll never see any of them since I ended Facebook.	[01:00]
long-day	I don't blame ya	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	long-day what's "go viral" mean ?	[01:01]
ben_vulpes	long-day: doesn't mean either that any of those posts make it into the feed.	[01:01]
BingoBoingo	Obola?	[01:01]
ben_vulpes	the feed is a facebook curated thing - not something anyone outside of their revenue extraction machine has any say in.	[01:01]
long-day	in our field (activism) viral is considered 100k people on a youtube video I suppose? If we were posting stuff about kittens it would get 2 million people.	[01:01]
asciilifeform	aha. to burn like forest fire among barbarous primitives, and slowly worm into civilized world in onesie-twosie cases, to flare up one day in apocalyptic pandemic ?	[01:02]
asciilifeform	or some other 'viral'	[01:02]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[01:02]
asciilifeform	same idea here. word takes arguments - none given.	[01:02]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2YNERN7.txt )	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	long-day 100k youtube views cost like 20 bux or so iirc.	[01:02]
asciilifeform	at mr. spam's shop o'spambots? or using actual meat	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the former.	[01:03]
BingoBoingo	long-day 100k youtube views cost like 20 bux or so iirc. << Basically this is the thing that pays for decent streaming tv	[01:03]
BingoBoingo	No, they actually seem to do the later. Insert video to be viewed before video people want to view.	[01:03]
long-day	actually there are ways to cheat the algorithims. every time you like your own post or a comment that someone made on your post or if you reply to a comment, it refreshes and shows up on all the subscribers feeds again (if they are on FB at that moment in time). She's made an ebook on how to get your posts seen and is gonna sell it in the next month (she's great at that crap)	[01:03]
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mircea_popescu	long-day you have to meet the power of scripts.	[01:04]
asciilifeform	ebook... sell << wat	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you don't understand how the world [of the morlocks] works.	[01:04]
asciilifeform	lolmorcks.	[01:04]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[01:05]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 336.03, vol: 13187.80136019 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 332.193, vol: 6104.66616 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 335.37, vol: 25358.92116491 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 336.135832, vol: 78274.23490000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 335.06565, vol: 8.87321215 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 341.226, vol: 65.37761087 \| Volume-weighted last average: 335.773532844	[01:05]
BingoBoingo	Oh, BTC not crashing as much as retail gasoline.	[01:05]
ben_vulpes	morelols	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform here's a fun tidbit : idiot with synflood actually used a bunch of websites to do it. so after some scriptage i'm emailing the owners to fix their bs. i had to throtle it because .. too many replies.	[01:06]
asciilifeform	and, unrelated, whoever was asking about chain-fork alarm, that's still in the turd. the thing that was nixed was the gavintron.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	i could start a web security business just out of the fallout of that one failed ddos.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	and this of course would be round 2, because wordpress before that, you recall.	[01:06]
asciilifeform	lol! replies from humans?	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	yup.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	i've not had so many apologies / minute in my life.	[01:07]
bounce	like this guy in -otc, set up a cheap shop full of "coders" in pakistan, had them churn out cookie-cutter "apps" with other people's content, dump on the app store, make five bucks each, sell a million before people catch on his 35k apps on the store are all crap. -- he's a real s/w house, yo.	[01:07]
long-day	all you do is post to the fanpage, wait 30 min, then like the post, wait 30 more min, like a comment (if someone has commented), 30 min later reply to their comment etc... paying 20 dollars for 100k youtube views is impossible. one of my youtube channels is partnered so it gets twice the adsense payout,. they pay 3-5 dollars per thousand views. 100k views on a video would make me about 400 dollars and 3 times that from the b	[01:07]
bounce	so, we gots us a real publisher on our hands, yo.	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	bounce this sadly passes for "business" and "entrepreneurship" in a world populated by imbeciles running on fumes of "fairness" and "social justice"	[01:08]
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asciilifeform	bounce: set up a cheap shop full of "coders" in pakistan, had them churn out cookie-cutter "apps" with other people's content << lemme guess, lost out competition to the fellow with same stolen appz, but plus malware	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	sounds about right.	[01:08]
bounce	nah, got kicked out. 'cuz what hot new shop fresh on the scene can possibly produce thousands of quality apps?	[01:08]
asciilifeform	!s cheaper books	[01:09]
assbot	4 results for 'cheaper books' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cheaper+books	[01:09]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#532023	[01:09]
assbot	Logged on 26-02-2014 06:23:40; asciilifeform: channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'	[01:09]
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mircea_popescu	well it is an inspiration	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	mocking you can account for endless hours of amusement	[01:10]
bounce	oh and too many complaints triggered it. but anyway.	[01:10]
asciilifeform	mocking one idiot who shits his pants - sure. until they all shit and the world is buried.	[01:10]
jurov	long-day: you know there's a search for bitbet affiliate manager?	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	ah that's a point. jurov you also doing coinbr aff ?	[01:11]
jurov	yes coinbr does it too (there's nothing intereesting for chumps, tho)	[01:11]
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jurov	!up long-day	[01:11]
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jurov	oh and coinroll too on individual basis	[01:12]
jurov	since yesterday or so ;)	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	lol. so there you go long-day, you can make a fortune affing for bitcoin sites.	[01:12]
long-day	I know basically nothing when it comes to this. I've been awake for more than 36 hours straight trying to learn though. And many hours over the last week on top of that. When it comes video editing, marketing, writing blogs, networking and getting access to good interviews I know my stuff... Bitcoin I know very little though. I want to know though. A year ago at Porcfest is when I learned about it. I've interviewed nearly ev	[01:13]
asciilifeform	re: 'affing' -	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform affiliate-ing.	[01:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00079637 = 9.3175 BTC [-] {2}	[01:13]
*	asciilifeform when addressing colleagues, often prefixes useful tips with 'when we take up spam...'	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	you know how everywhere in the civilised world (so therefore, not in the US, excepot for vegas) shops employ young'uns to sit outside and invite people in ?	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	that, but online.	[01:14]
*	asciilifeform studied the life and times of spammers and related fauna professionally for a while	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	aok	[01:14]
bounce	;;translate german english affe	[01:14]
gribble	Error: Google says: Response Status 403: Please use Translate v2. See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html.	[01:14]
BingoBoingo	long-day: Do you know danielpbarron	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo no lol, he's interviewed nearly everyone who pretends to be involved with btc without actually being involved :D it's how this usually works.	[01:15]
long-day	The activist community LOVES bitcoin bigtime... the two leading female promoters of bitcoin i'm friends with, but they don't know anything about trading.	[01:15]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I was going off of the porcfest name drop	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	long-day who ?	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	you gotta learn to be specific.	[01:16]
long-day	he's not very familiar	[01:16]
long-day	it's too small a world to start naming names. I'm certain there are people reading this who are friends with them	[01:17]
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bounce	so get'em both in here and have'em introduce themselves	[01:17]
jurov	"you mentioned my name on bitcoin-assets! how dare you!!!!11"	[01:18]
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long-day	well... all the stuff I told you guys are trade secrets and the fact that I'm doing horribly with the trading so far is just embarassing	[01:18]
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mats_cd03	lol	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	"it's too small a world to start naming names" << this made exactly zero chance.	[01:19]
bounce	so your trade secrets are horrible. what're you, a walking shop of horrors?	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	as a rule of thumb, if you keep doing this vague bs you'll end up on everyone's shitlist.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	i imagine you don't really want that, so, be specific, go into detail, that's how people evaluate you.	[01:19]
long-day	I kinda look like a dumbass right now, I'm aware of that and would rather contain it.	[01:19]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: have you spoken with chetty today?	[01:20]
kakobrekla	imma help you contain in	[01:20]
bounce	there's a easy fix for that. hit the sack.	[01:20]
kakobrekla	!down long-day	[01:20]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller earlier. her net's shitty i gather.	[01:20]
thestringpuller	kk. i'll just later tell. thanks.	[01:20]
nubbins`	http://www.salon.com/2014/10/29/jian_ghomeshi_is_my_friend_and_jian_ghomeshi_beats_women/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow	[01:21]
assbot	“Jian Ghomeshi is my friend, and Jian Ghomeshi beats women” - Salon.com	[01:21]
mats_cd03	did it ever come out how ulbricht got owned re: ID forgeries?	[01:21]
BingoBoingo	mats_cd03: To my knowledge it seems the entire ID forgery business is pretty much a USG monopoly	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	^	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	mostly run as a cheap way to find people who think they should be prosecuted.	[01:22]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` can i has summary ? salon not rly worth a click	[01:23]
nubbins`	very popular canadian media personality beat the shit outta a bunch of women, his friend who happens to be a world-renowned composer wrote a frank essay on the subject, essay is now apparently a media item in itself	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	consensual or just off da street ?	[01:26]
bounce	I see mostly repeats about how three anonymous women got hit. nothing about context, intensity, duration, whatever. couldabeen a slap. so, I see mostly words that paint broad strokes at maximum contrast, with no grounding.	[01:26]
mats_cd03	i am always confused when i read these things	[01:26]
mats_cd03	people need to be specific. sexual assault, or sexual battery?!	[01:26]
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asciilifeform	sexual embezzlement.	[01:27]
asciilifeform	sexual tax evasion...	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	bounce that'd be salon.	[01:27]
jurov	lol what's that? fake orgasms?	[01:27]
bounce	this "nobody believes women!!1!" when the more important bit is that they're remaining anonymous (beyond the poor reader, to whom, exactly?). this annoys me.	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	"nobody believes anonymous claims!!11" o noes lmao.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	"we told this one guy who we were!"	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	"he's a judge, judges never lie". etc.	[01:28]
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bounce	then there's this ``Katie McDonough is Salon's politics writer, focusing on gender, sexuality and reproductive justice.'' -- busily dressing up the thing with seemingly relevant and respectably looking numbers that really aren't meaningful to the problems in the piece.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	wait wait. "reproductive justice" ?	[01:30]
bounce	"thou shalt not reproduce!" -- if only	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	"he's our junior high math teacher, focusing on c++ strings implementation"	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	very math.	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	katie mcdonough is salon's timewasting chatterbox. they need someone to actually do politics writing.	[01:31]
bounce	like socialist class warfare, only across gender lines	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	yaya.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	across gender lines and against the wall of "nobody gives a shit"	[01:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4861 @ 0.00079829 = 3.8805 BTC [+]	[01:32]
bounce	about as productive. seeing how labour ends up importing pathetic chumps from elsewhere to keep access to a large pool of repressed lowlifes to represent.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	wait i thought it was the evil fatcat capitalists that keep importing cheap spooks to keep the local spooks down	[01:32]
bounce	that's the yoosah. in yurp it was labour gov'ts doing the importing, in the 70s and such.	[01:33]
nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> consensual or just off da street ? <<< my understanding is that (some of) the women consented to a bit of kink, but then guy starts punching in head/mouth, choking to point of unconsciousness, etc	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	oh	[01:34]
nubbins`	another was a co-worker who got her ass grabbed and "i wanna hate-fuck you" whispered in ear during a meeting	[01:34]
nubbins`	etc	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	so guy kinda losing it, is the idea ?	[01:35]
nubbins`	but as for the sexual encounters, seems like they signed up for consensual kink but messy gomeshi took this as carte blanche	[01:35]
nubbins`	yeah	[01:35]
nubbins`	now he's suing the cbc for $50m (lel), hired a PR firm, etc etc	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	doing it like it's done.	[01:36]
nubbins`	more like "disguising outright abuse / sociopathic behaviour as BDSM/kink" than "losing it" i guess	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if the fucktard "justice" warriors realise that their constant if innefectual nipping at the heels means that anyone involved who can afford it will in fact spend the money and clobber everyone in range.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	pretty much the direct equivalent of the "tough on rape" laws that simply made sure every rape victim will ALSO be a homicide victim	[01:36]
nubbins`	well the lel is that he was in a union, he can't sue the cbc for $50m	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	great victory.	[01:37]
nubbins`	it'll get pushed to a union grievance	[01:37]
nubbins`	but it does allow him to file a bunch of paperwork and get his version of events on the public record	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	depends how the papers are writ.	[01:37]
nubbins`	so... shrug	[01:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: made sure every rape victim will ALSO be a homicide victim << see also related, the (alleged) decision to quietly shoot '2nd snowden' instead of public scandal	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	not all management gets this "union only" sort of coverage.	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i guess, yeah. not clear what was there.	[01:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 3rd snowden is then, logically, invited to 'go wasp'	[01:38]
bounce	who's the support?	[01:38]
asciilifeform	'may as well hang for a sheep as a lamb'	[01:38]
nubbins`	http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/28/jian_ghomeshi_cbc_releases_memo_citing_claim_of_impropriety.html	[01:38]
assbot	Jian Ghomeshi: CBC releases memo citing ‘claim of impropriety’ \| Toronto Star	[01:38]
nubbins`	^ the star has been hitting it outta the park as far as canadian investigative journo goes these past couple years	[01:39]
nubbins`	you may recall they broke the rob ford crack tape story	[01:39]
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ben_vulpes	The activist community LOVES bitcoin bigtime... the two leading female promoters of bitcoin i'm friends with, but they don't know anything about trading. << and what does trading have to do with bitcoin?	[01:43]
ben_vulpes	heh and lemme guess	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	bitcoingirl	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	bitcoinbabe	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	bitcoinmom	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	bitcoinwife	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	bitcoinho	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	bitcunt	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	bitbimbo	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	but not angiecast	[01:44]
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nubbins`	i think bitcoinwife is taken	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	yeah gotta mix in some truth with it	[01:45]
ben_vulpes	otherwise the phenom's just to clearly retarded to be even slightly amusing	[01:45]
asciilifeform	'two gurlz, one coin'	[01:45]
nubbins`	2 girls 1 private key	[01:45]
asciilifeform	!b 1	[01:45]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1QR4WZK.txt )	[01:45]
ben_vulpes	yup.	[01:46]
ben_vulpes	wd all.	[01:46]
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asciilifeform	when do we get the next irigaray and a very scholarly treatise on how ecdsa privileges some curves over others	[01:47]
*	asciilifeform can feel himself getting stupider just from thinking about this	[01:48]
Pvt_Key	if you feel a stupid you did not make that stupid.	[01:49]
ben_vulpes	if you feel a stupid you did not make that stupid. << who is pranking me now	[01:50]
ben_vulpes	p great handle btw	[01:50]
Pvt_Key	you can be sgt Key	[01:50]
ben_vulpes	i think i'd rather be a general key	[01:51]
ben_vulpes	or skeleton_key	[01:51]
asciilifeform	corporal key.	[01:51]
asciilifeform	(double meaning intentional.)	[01:51]
ben_vulpes	yes yes.	[01:51]
Pvt_Key	/nick whiskey	[01:51]
ben_vulpes	quite.	[01:52]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes, jurov: do we have a mergemaster/maintainer? or am i still stuck with it	[01:57]
asciilifeform	regardless of who, we need an unofficial snapshot on that www	[01:57]
asciilifeform	(unofficial because the only official is the original - hashed - 0.5.3 with crunch of all the signed patches)	[01:57]
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nubbins`	http://daniellebailey.bandcamp.com/album/live-at-the-ship	[01:59]
assbot	Live at the Ship \| Danielle Bailey	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	lmao Pvt_Key	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	dude, i walk away for a minute, everyone;'s on a roll lol	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	http://a-ztrainingcentre.org/ o.O	[02:03]
assbot	a-ztrainingcentre.org - /	[02:03]
ben_vulpes	jurov: can you straighten the s3 bucket backing therealbitcoin.org out?	[02:04]
ben_vulpes	i'd almost rather stick it behind a webserver running on the same host as the mailman app.	[02:04]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i've pushed an update to the site, but the byzantine serving mechanism isn't providing it for some reason.	[02:05]
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ben_vulpes	the site i want to serve has links to /charter.html, /v0.5.3-gd05c03a.tar.gz and other stuff	[02:06]
asciilifeform	'elephant garden' << see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0c_cUcgOEI	[02:06]
assbot	From Left to Right (Sleva Napravo) - YouTube	[02:06]
ben_vulpes	ah yeah that must be why i thought you'd like it.	[02:07]
ben_vulpes	anyways.	[02:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32645 @ 0.00079727 = 26.0269 BTC [-] {3}	[02:07]
ben_vulpes	hey asciilifeform do a sapper a favor and start emailing your patches to btc-dev@therealbitcoin.org	[02:08]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: how to package them?	[02:08]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: that is, attachment?	[02:08]
ben_vulpes	.tar.gz, including patch and detached sig.	[02:09]
ben_vulpes	same as we've been doing.	[02:09]
asciilifeform	body of message?	[02:09]
ben_vulpes	is such necessary?	[02:09]
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asciilifeform	yes!	[02:09]
asciilifeform	it should be a functioning mail list	[02:09]
ben_vulpes	a description of contents should suffice.	[02:09]
asciilifeform	we should be able to talk using it	[02:09]
ben_vulpes	at the moment it's not even relaying mail to me.	[02:10]
asciilifeform	useless then	[02:10]
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ben_vulpes	hardly.	[02:10]
ben_vulpes	not as useful as it will be, granted.	[02:10]
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ben_vulpes	but a vast improvement over your pooping patches into the noisestream here.	[02:11]
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asciilifeform	aha sure, but i still end up crapping out descriptions of patches here	[02:11]
ben_vulpes	yes, please do.	[02:11]
ben_vulpes	but this right here http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/thread.html constrains the filtering problem to something vastly more manageable.	[02:12]
assbot	The BTC-dev October 2014 Archive by thread	[02:12]
asciilifeform	jurov: did you ever get message-as-attachment working?	[02:13]
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ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000001.html ??	[02:13]
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asciilifeform	that's a turd!	[02:13]
asciilifeform	the text should be visible in www browser	[02:13]
asciilifeform	if only for spamatronic search engine presence	[02:14]
ben_vulpes	woof turd indeed	[02:14]
ben_vulpes	stinky	[02:14]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: mailman will display gpg clearsigned attachment inline if you rename it to .txt (and i don't ned to diddle code then)	[02:14]
ben_vulpes	have you tried that?	[02:14]
asciilifeform	about to	[02:14]
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asciilifeform	sent...	[02:15]
ben_vulpes	mailman thinking...	[02:16]
ben_vulpes	(stinking...)	[02:16]
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asciilifeform	that thing's running on what, a commodore64?	[02:16]
ben_vulpes	iPnohe	[02:16]
asciilifeform	mMac	[02:17]
asciilifeform	(non-electric)	[02:17]
ben_vulpes	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/date.html#start	[02:17]
assbot	The BTC-dev October 2014 Archive by date	[02:17]
ben_vulpes	still kinda stinky.	[02:17]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/thread.html << not showing there, why not ?	[02:17]
assbot	The BTC-dev October 2014 Archive by thread	[02:17]
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asciilifeform	and what's with the '---next part'	[02:18]
ben_vulpes	seems escaped in the body as well	[02:18]
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ben_vulpes	what, you want a custom mailman in 2 days?	[02:18]
ben_vulpes	we're not all wunderkind	[02:18]
asciilifeform	lol	[02:18]
ben_vulpes	so sil vous plait	[02:19]
ben_vulpes	actually	[02:19]
ben_vulpes	!s patch	[02:19]
assbot	354 results for 'patch' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=patch	[02:19]
ben_vulpes	!s *.patch	[02:20]
assbot	: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%2A.patch	[02:20]
ben_vulpes	sigh	[02:20]
ben_vulpes	returning to my original point, please email the set of your patches and sigs to benkay@gmail.com, asciilifeform	[02:21]
ben_vulpes	(and anyone else interested in patching)	[02:21]
asciilifeform	i'll wait for working turdatron.	[02:21]
asciilifeform	hate doing things twice	[02:21]
ben_vulpes	i'm waiting on turdatron for merges, as well.	[02:22]
ben_vulpes	logs are great, but this shit will benefit strongly from a mailman list record of actions and discussions.	[02:22]
asciilifeform	aha.	[02:23]
ben_vulpes	so while i appreciate the slicing dicing and otherwise pureeing of warts...	[02:23]
asciilifeform	!s bitcoin-asciilifeform	[02:23]
assbot	0 results for 'bitcoin-asciilifeform' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitcoin-asciilifeform	[02:23]
asciilifeform	hm	[02:23]
ben_vulpes	yeah.	[02:23]
ben_vulpes	what's the rush, anyways?	[02:24]
*	asciilifeform secretly hopes that folks other than him will pick this thing up when turdatron is operational	[02:24]
ben_vulpes	if hopes were horses we'd all gallop to bsas.	[02:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00079151 = 3.2452 BTC [-]	[02:48]
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undata	http://altcoinpress.com/2014/10/bitcoin-foundation-we-dont-want-everyone-starting-a-bitcoin-business/ << war.	[03:04]
assbot	Bitcoin Foundation: We Don’t Want Everyone Starting a Bitcoin Business	[03:04]
*	asciilifeform will laugh when bitcoin foudation is richer than bitcoin phoundation	[03:06]
punkman	can someone run this deed through gpg --verify please http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/kLuzx7GD	[03:06]
assbot	Deed kLuzx7GD \| #bitcoin-assets deed registry	[03:06]
mats_cd03	interesting decision, keeping the name	[03:08]
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asciilifeform	mats_cd03: mircea_popescu's idea	[03:08]
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punkman	ok so I'm pretty sure bot never validated signatures	[03:11]
asciilifeform	in other news...	[03:11]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/stasi-list.htm	[03:11]
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asciilifeform	(how news? exercise for alert reader)	[03:11]
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undata	asciilifeform: news that stasi found their way back into power? I'll bite. News... how?	[03:13]
ben_vulpes	punkman: can you give that to me in raw format? i'm seeing ^M all over the place	[03:14]
punkman	ben_vulpes: what, you don't have utf?	[03:14]
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ben_vulpes	curl deedbutts > deebut.html	[03:14]
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ben_vulpes	cat deedbut.html ... poopy	[03:15]
punkman	could try curl -s http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/kLuzx7GD \| grep -oP "(?<=>).+(?= deed	[03:15]
assbot	Deed kLuzx7GD \| #bitcoin-assets deed registry	[03:15]
mats_cd03	stasi list? sounds like a good name for the courts circus project.	[03:15]
ben_vulpes	or bash emacs into submission	[03:15]
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punkman	so apparently I need to download everyone's key to bot pubring	[03:16]
ben_vulpes	yes, yes you do.	[03:17]
punkman	perhaps obvious if not stupid	[03:17]
ben_vulpes	you should really grab fingerprints out of otc db and then import those keys.	[03:17]
punkman	I blame GPG library	[03:17]
ben_vulpes	how can you possibly verify a signature without the key?!	[03:18]
punkman	that's where the stupid kicked in	[03:18]
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ben_vulpes	are you willing to share the source for deedbot?	[03:19]
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punkman	yeah as soon as I rewrite this part	[03:19]
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ben_vulpes	mkay.	[03:20]
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kakobrekla	emm	[03:21]
kakobrekla	cam you gettrust by key ?	[03:21]
kakobrekla	can*	[03:21]
kakobrekla	assbot doesnt have any pub keys locally, just asks gribble	[03:22]
kakobrekla	by [ident nick]	[03:22]
kakobrekla	you can do same?	[03:22]
punkman	yeah but I gotta verify the deeds	[03:23]
kakobrekla	aha	[03:23]
bounce	compare and contrast ``Bitcoin Foundation: We Don3t Want Everyone Starting a Bitcoin Business'' with ``Open Letter to Bitcoin Businesses: Why I'm closing my accounts'' on the bitcoinfoundation.org forum	[03:23]
undata	bounce: read that earlier; that guy gets it.	[03:23]
bounce	he does, and it's where every single government to date is failing in their digitalistation efforts	[03:24]
cazalla	i bet this multisig shit turns into a customer service nightmare for coinbase	[03:25]
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ben_vulpes	hee hee hee	[03:27]
ben_vulpes	on the topic of "no more bitcoin businesses" the bitcoin foundation is finally capitulating and following in MPEx's footsteps.	[03:27]
ben_vulpes	2(?) years later.	[03:27]
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ben_vulpes	punkman: fwiw, i get a bad sig out of that	[03:32]
nubbins`	i get btc address 12cKT5TpNzKMMD7gNAthMbtp1VaVQUebW1 out of it	[03:38]
nubbins`	i also get bad sig	[03:39]
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ben_vulpes	punkman: without the deed title i get a good sig	[03:41]
nubbins`	:o	[03:41]
nubbins`	like if you cut that line out?	[03:41]
nubbins`	oh, uh, so do i	[03:42]
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ben_vulpes	nubbins`: how on earth do you get a btc addr out of it	[03:42]
nubbins`	ben_vulpes by running it through my deed verifier, natch	[03:43]
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ben_vulpes	oh, i get it.	[03:44]
ben_vulpes	i've not gone so far.	[03:44]
nubbins`	anyway, the DEED_TITLE line was added after the sig was generated	[03:45]
ben_vulpes	heresy	[03:46]
nubbins`	it's not even heresy	[03:46]
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ben_vulpes	making a thing that can't be dumped into gpg and produce a clean sig?	[03:47]
ben_vulpes	clean verification i mean	[03:47]
nubbins`	nope. not heresy, just nonsense :D	[03:47]
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nubbins`	i am unable to verify two of the 5 processed deeds: 6LTeLfd6Scf1sgq9qmAYCT51oqoNmGP4k9uBp9oZtwR1 and kLuzx7GDPg8uXRawaZG9ndU7hfTd8CBHSTCCffSdzLA	[03:50]
nubbins`	the other three verify just fine	[03:51]
nubbins`	for the deed contained in 6LTeLfd6Scf1sgq9qmAYCT51oqoNmGP4k9uBp9oZtwR1 i generate a deed id of 6zUpQ65f28U8e8AHYJ1nL7tcLgNxamJg37LJCo3rxksq	[03:51]
nubbins`	for the deed contained in kLuzx7GDPg8uXRawaZG9ndU7hfTd8CBHSTCCffSdzLA i generate a deed id of AUJMybt23x4ddt8xUV1NVMj6M5fuQrqzdp1PrTZDTe5Q	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: logs are great, but this shit will benefit strongly from a mailman list record of actions and discussions. << word.	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	assbot: Bitcoin Foundation: We Don’t Want Everyone Starting a Bitcoin Business << lmao these fucking idiots.	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	"oh i know, let's go for double whammy! that'll teach us!"	[03:55]
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nubbins`	punkman: the 4 pending deeds all verify as well	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	punkman: so apparently I need to download everyone's key to bot pubring <<< how else.	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`: i am unable to verify two of the 5 processed deeds: <<< software never fails eh stan ? if it worked once it always works right ? :DF	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	SCAM!	[03:58]
punkman	nubbins`: problem with 6LTeLfd6Scf1sgq9qmAYCT51oqoNmGP4 is the escaped html in the <pre> you are grabbing	[04:00]
nubbins`	ah	[04:00]
nubbins`	gpg: BAD signature from "Hannah Wiggins (hanbot) "	[04:00]
nubbins`	yeah, lookit that	[04:01]
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nubbins`	hmm...	[04:02]
punkman	here is python verifier http://dpaste.com/05YF5VH	[04:03]
assbot	dpaste: 05YF5VH	[04:03]
ben_vulpes	just put the repo into sunlight	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` www.printresgroup.com/ << here's a gem.	[04:04]
nubbins`	so	[04:04]
nubbins`	i apologize if this seems obtuse	[04:04]
nubbins`	i can't copy/paste the deeds because of line endings	[04:05]
nubbins`	and i can't fetch via curl because the website has escaped all the html chars inside the deeds	[04:05]
nubbins`	:S	[04:05]
punkman	you can get the raw bundle	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	punkman you know htmlizing chars is horribru practice.	[04:06]
punkman	mircea_popescu: but it has html in deed	[04:06]
nubbins`	punkman where can i grab that?	[04:07]
ben_vulpes	woo	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	ugh	[04:07]
nubbins`	oh! nevermind	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck makes html clearsigned things ;/	[04:07]
nubbins`	http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/raw_bundles/17/171BanmCMde84Zr28Z4EsCzXw4nGZdfPaG.rbundle	[04:08]
punkman	even if not actual html, html chars could break page, must be escaped	[04:08]
nubbins`	is the directory, e.g. /17/ always the first 2 chars of addr?	[04:08]
punkman	yes	[04:08]
nubbins`	hm	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	im pretty sure the idea is to sign the txt not the html	[04:09]
nubbins`	so to verify deed X, i need to first generate address Y from it, in order to grab the raw bundle	[04:09]
ben_vulpes	punkman: i'm not seeing the part where you shell out to gpg in there	[04:09]
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nubbins`	are the raw deeds published, or just the raw bundles?	[04:09]
punkman	http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/BXZKQx2i/raw gives you base64, maybe I change it to actual raw and add /b64	[04:11]
punkman	also http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/BXZKQx2i/json	[04:11]
nubbins`	sweet, ty	[04:12]
ben_vulpes	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/29/us-markets-sec-traders-idUSKBN0II0DC20141029 << what the fuck am i even reading	[04:12]
assbot	Studies find fast traders get data from SEC seconds early: WSJ	[04:12]
ben_vulpes	edgar has been tuned to deliver to certain IPs before others?	[04:13]
punkman	ben_vulpes: yeah just threw that together to check bundle key/address	[04:13]
punkman	gpg.recv_keys() is refusing to work :(	[04:14]
ben_vulpes	have people dump their keys in themselves	[04:14]
ben_vulpes	capture keyid, barf if they're not in l2	[04:14]
ben_vulpes	then check again on deed submission and barf if they're still not in l2	[04:15]
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mats_cd03	http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/29/jian_ghomeshi_8_women_accuse_former_cbc_host_of_violence_sexual_abuse_or_harassment.html << looks like at least one isnt anon nubbins`	[04:23]
assbot	Jian Ghomeshi: 8 women accuse former CBC host of violence, sexual abuse or harassment \| Toronto Star	[04:23]
bounce	therefore she must be fake	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	well, there's this chaining suspicion.	[04:25]
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mircea_popescu	remember all the fame-seeking ditzy bitches trying to claim assange raped them too ?	[04:25]
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mircea_popescu	same deal with strauss-kahn, and with berlusconi, and generally, what's in a late claim.	[04:25]
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mats_cd03	maybe he orchestrated this himself so he could score 55mn CAD	[04:29]
mats_cd03	like... whats his face... owner of the basketball team with a negress woman	[04:32]
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undata	“Big Ears Teddy shouldn’t see this.” << oh man, my sides	[04:34]
xiando	I live in .se where two women claimed assange "raped" them, one of them said "yes we had sex and I did that of my own free will but he said he used a condom but didn't so it was rape"	[04:36]
undata	xiando: I read that in the Assange case, the women didn't even want to press the case, but the prosecutor kept at it anyway.	[04:40]
undata	Sweden sounds like a socialist hellhole nanny state.	[04:41]
nubbins`	mats_cd03 oh wow	[04:41]
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nubbins`	she was in Trailer Park Boys	[04:41]
thestringpuller	nubbins` would know trailer park boys	[04:42]
thestringpuller	canadians lol	[04:42]
undata	love that show.	[04:42]
thestringpuller	i'm fucked in the head	[04:42]
thestringpuller	I dunno who has better shit-isms, asciilifeform or Leahy	[04:42]
nubbins`	heh	[04:42]
undata	http://lisp.shithouse.tv/	[04:43]
assbot	lisp	[04:43]
nubbins`	you guys watch the new season?	[04:43]
xiando	undata: and the original procecutor refused to take the case but a totally corrupt and known criminal feminist procutor named "Marianne Ny" insisted on taking up the case	[04:43]
dub	lets not forget those two women worked for the CIA	[04:44]
*	asciilifeform forgot for a minute that deedbot and turdatron are separate mechanisms, had a bit of mindfuck	[04:44]
undata	dub: he was stupid to trust them	[04:45]
undata	I'll say that	[04:45]
undata	he should've known intellgence agencies would be after him.	[04:45]
undata	sorry guys, the war was going great, then the other side sent pussy.	[04:47]
Duffer1	cia?	[04:47]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/10/multisig-vault-by-coinbase/	[04:48]
assbot	Multisig Vault By Coinbase \| Qntra.net	[04:48]
cazalla	coblee herp derp store your bitcoin with coinbase cause you face the same risk from hackers doing it yourself anyway	[04:48]
undata	cazalla: do I recall correctly that they're using one of two?	[04:49]
undata	or is it two of two	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	Sweden sounds like a socialist hellhole nanny state. << that's because it is.	[04:49]
undata	<- derp	[04:50]
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undata	right, the third is some passphrase encrypted key	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	lets not forget those two women worked for the CIA << srsly, this works ?	[04:50]
asciilifeform	northern caliphate is one hell of a loltron.	[04:51]
asciilifeform	did they ever find the imaginary sub?	[04:51]
asciilifeform	'Подводная лодка / В степях Украины / Погибла в неравном / Воздушном бою.'	[04:53]
nubbins`	node.js deed verifier, now without pesky curl script	[04:53]
nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/Nq6kCtpe	[04:53]
assbot	[JavaScript] checkdeed.js - Pastebin.com	[04:53]
cazalla	undata, 2 or 3 or 3 of 5	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` cool!	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	!b 5	[04:59]
assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HQHZY0.txt )	[04:59]
nubbins`	takes full or partial (min 8 chars) deed id as argument	[04:59]
thestringpuller	.deed	[05:01]
nubbins`	sample run: http://pastebin.com/n15mWWrv	[05:01]
assbot	[Bash] macbook:btcjs nubs$ node checkdeed.js 6LTeLfd6 URL: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets - Pastebin.com	[05:01]
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xiando	undata: Name 1 other country where the Police can legally stop you for no reason (other than that you went outside) and take a blood sample by force	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	splendeed	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	xiando mongolia.	[05:02]
xiando	So Sweden isn't the only one? Interesting	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	well the mongolian police will use their fists, but anyway :D	[05:02]
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nubbins`	hi	[05:04]
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asciilifeform	and now a word from a favourite lolmeister:	[05:33]
asciilifeform	http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/10/putin-to-western-elites-play-time-is.html	[05:33]
assbot	ClubOrlov: Putin to Western elites: Play-time is over	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform does he read here ?	[05:36]
asciilifeform	not afaik	[05:36]
asciilifeform	he, last i saw, was of the 'you fools and your electrical toys, doomed to die so soon' school of thought	[05:37]
asciilifeform	doesn't keep him from cranking out his lulz	[05:37]
asciilifeform	but what'd i know.	[05:37]
asciilifeform	(he does occasionally answer mail though)	[05:37]
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mircea_popescu	the "what utility is the sun to us" line seems cribbed.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	(nttawwt)	[05:45]
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asciilifeform	incidentally, not one word of this in u.s. papers.	[05:50]
asciilifeform	(thus far)	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	you recall that older observation re time covers ?	[05:50]
asciilifeform	aha.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	they're pretty awful at reporting anything of substance.	[05:50]
asciilifeform	funnily, even here people know if it.	[05:50]
asciilifeform	*of it	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	sorta like mcdonalds is awful at cooking	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	also, this is by no means the first or the most mommentuous "?speaking directly to the public"	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	guy did that over syria, and it paid.	[05:51]
*	asciilifeform knows this	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	Whether or not a new world order of any sort is to be built is not just Russia's decision, but it is a decision that will not be made without Russia. << this is false incidentally.	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	we are making it, right here, and it specifically excludes "russia" in the sense of "putin"	[05:52]
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asciilifeform	not that the old kings could visit even if they really wanted.	[05:52]
asciilifeform	a bit of a throne-ending move	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	sure they could	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	what's to stop em ?	[05:53]
asciilifeform	the old could-vs-would	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	indeed	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	anyway, orlov's putin reads like mp. which i guess is a good thing for all those involved.	[05:54]
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*	asciilifeform looks forward to the possibility of the coprophagiac zoos of western eu waking up to the fact that what turned them into such was - nato.	[05:56]
asciilifeform	'airstrip one.'	[05:57]
*	asciilifeform will however believe the noises of 'there cannot be just one great kingdom' when mr. p starts impaling anyone caught with winblows	[05:59]
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asciilifeform	whatever kind of winblopocalypse it would take to make this statement seem perfectly reasonable to the most thoroughly retarded 'old king' - will likely happen reasonably soon.	[06:01]
asciilifeform	the really sad and avoidable aspect would be if it were to leave the most deeply retarded old king with a fat stash of plundered btc.	[06:02]
BingoBoingo	Ebama could spead a lot of Obola with a fat stash of BTC	[06:10]
thestringpuller	Fucking Giants.	[06:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56254 @ 0.00079415 = 44.6741 BTC [+]	[06:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00079557 = 28.8394 BTC [+] {3}	[06:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26227 @ 0.00079577 = 20.8707 BTC [+]	[06:47]
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ben_vulpes	hah microsoft's got a wristband product	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	so this dingy old laptop is converting two movies and playing a third	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	such a little trooper i swear	[06:55]
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ben_vulpes	converting?!	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	* asciilifeform looks forward to the possibility of the coprophagiac zoos of western eu waking up to the fact that what turned them into such was - nato. << at least the warsaw pact countries figured it out.	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes i hate mp4.	[06:56]
ben_vulpes	but vlc handles everything...	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	i still hate mp4.	[06:56]
ben_vulpes	lol can you hear the movie over the things fans?	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	fans are so quiet the street's louder at 1 am.	[06:57]
ben_vulpes	what magic dingy laptop is this	[06:57]
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mircea_popescu	ibm thinkpad.	[06:59]
thestringpuller	old as fuck	[07:00]
thestringpuller	didn't ibm sell that to lenovo?	[07:00]
undata	yep	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	yeah this is before that. 10 yo or so.	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	actually i think lenovo was manufacturing them anyway	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	i'd be much suprised if ibm actually MADE anything, even a decade ago.	[07:01]
undata	IBM still does the US "support"	[07:02]
undata	I had to get the screen replaced on this one under warranty	[07:03]
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BingoBoingo	undata: I had to get the screen replaced on this one under warranty << My 4 yo Thinkpad will probably be getting its third fan soon.	[07:30]
undata	BingoBoingo: I almost wrecked this one's fan coding in the sand by the columbia	[07:31]
undata	but I was able to clean it	[07:31]
BingoBoingo	I take this one out to the garage to smoke cigarettes	[07:32]
undata	cigs are the natural enemy of computer fans	[07:36]
undata	beer meanwhile, keyboards	[07:36]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you should hear this fan.	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	girl pissing two doors away is louder.	[07:39]
BingoBoingo	Why would I spill the precious? Also not much of a beer person. Prefer my drink closer in composition to what would be used to clean it anyways	[07:39]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Damn.	[07:40]
BingoBoingo	It's been a few days since my fan made the angry bees noise.	[07:40]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Is that the original fan?	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	far as i know...	[07:41]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: I'm having trouble finding an MPOE-PR post using something Buffet wrote in relation to mining. How capital expenditure is made in textiles etc.	[08:04]
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thestringpuller	whatever happened to dr. foreskin	[08:18]
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cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/10/carders-cashing-out-into-bitcoincash-via-coinbase-others/	[08:20]
assbot	Carders Cashing Out Into Bitcoin/Cash Via Coinbase & Others \| Qntra.net	[08:20]
cazalla	thestringpuller, he got circumcised	[08:20]
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thestringpuller	;;calc 21000000 / 30	[08:38]
gribble	700000	[08:38]
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mircea_popescu	!up eightyeight	[08:51]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller so look straight in buffett's letters.	[08:51]
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ben_vulpes	i ultimately went the route of shelling out to gpg directly and writing my own little lib that did exactly what i needed and nothing else	[15:50]
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ben_vulpes	thickasthieves: where's that pankkake comment from?	[15:51]
thickasthieves	i linked	[15:52]
ben_vulpes	h foundit	[15:52]
thickasthieves	he still loves us	[15:52]
thickasthieves	i can tell	[15:52]
TomServo	"Russia favors a conservative approach to introducing innovations into the social order, but is not opposed to investigating and discussing such innovations, to see if introducing any of them might be justified." << seems like an odd point to wedge in amongst the rest.	[15:53]
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punkman	ben_vulpes: which wrapper were you using?	[15:54]
thickasthieves	http://www.wired.com/2014/10/mit-media-lab-gets-transforming-logo-courtesy-pentagram/	[15:55]
assbot	MIT Media Lab Gets a Transforming Logo, Courtesy of Pentagram \| WIRED	[15:55]
thickasthieves	Pentagram is like the identity design elite	[15:55]
punkman	megalol -> http://i.imgur.com/cpTYpu7.png	[15:59]
thickasthieves	ha	[16:00]
punkman	just when I was thinking hey this is pretty good	[16:00]
punkman	then the ad slide pops up	[16:01]
thickasthieves	it's really good imo	[16:01]
thickasthieves	it's nearly impossible to get a client to accept stuff like this thi	[16:02]
thickasthieves	tho	[16:02]
thickasthieves	it's why i always loved the Apple logo designer	[16:02]
thickasthieves	his deal was, i'll make you a logo, and you'll take it as is	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/sjw-you-mean-sew/ fresh off da presses.	[16:03]
assbot	SJW ? You mean SEW ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	TomServo why so?	[16:04]
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nubbins`	thickasthieves this is how pink eye prefers to work for design jobs	[16:07]
nubbins`	it's way, way, way less painful for everyone involved	[16:07]
TomServo	mircea_popescu: It just struck me as not fitting with the rest of the message. What innovations might he be referring to?	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	well the way i read it it's not referring to anything, merely refusing to commit to anything.	[16:08]
thickasthieves	he does almost sound like he's gonna pitch Bitcoin for a minute	[16:10]
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TomServo	hehe, that's kind of where I was going	[16:11]
TomServo	The other points seem much more specific, and I would think there is at least something in mind when referring to innovations into the social order.	[16:12]
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thickasthieves	it's a well written speech in that its general enough any individual can map it onto his own perspectives	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	http://www.majestic12.co.uk/projects/dsearch/mj12bot.php << incidentally.	[16:13]
assbot	Majestic-12 : DSearch : MJ12bot	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	a distributed replacement for google might be a pretty damned good idea	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	especially if it doesn't end up with a manual "algo"	[16:13]
ben_vulpes	http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/30/enough-of-what-most-people-think-tell-me-what-you-think-or-stfu/#comment-4230 << when it emerges from moderation	[16:13]
assbot	Enough of What “Most People Think,” Tell Me What You Think or STFU \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[16:13]
thickasthieves	the local rap group in my hometwon was called 12Majestik	[16:13]
jurov	any non-manual algo will get spammed	[16:13]
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mircea_popescu	jurov no, make search wot-based.	[16:14]
punkman	sort of distributed google http://yacy.net/	[16:14]
assbot	YaCy - The Peer to Peer Search Engine: Home	[16:14]
thickasthieves	my search idea could combine with a distributed one, have all ranking factors be open and weightable by the user	[16:15]
thickasthieves	provide templates to start from	[16:15]
jurov	mircea_popescu you forgot the wot ratings must be examined manually to be useful?	[16:15]
thickasthieves	and default mode is the average of all users	[16:15]
ben_vulpes	punkman: python-gnupg iirc	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	jurov which is why this is so useful : try and do it for search, high volume and low risk, see if anything useful can be done algorithmically.	[16:15]
thickasthieves	google killer in a nutshell	[16:16]
jurov	punkman: i ended up calling gpg --recv-key directly	[16:16]
jurov	even then, it did some failures like "key rejected by input filter"	[16:16]
jurov	dunno any lib can handle that	[16:17]
punkman	jurov, I think I could publish a pubring that gets updated a couple times a day	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves i suspect this is like the "myspace, music industry killer" idea a decade ago. yeah, it'd work, if people didn't suck. people do suck, and as a result, myspace dies.	[16:17]
jurov	punkman: incl. removals/revocations?	[16:18]
punkman	ideally	[16:18]
thickasthieves	i think "work" definition would change in this case	[16:18]
thickasthieves	from google being the curator, to newsearch being the db with sort	[16:18]
punkman	I am also considering making the bot spit out expiry/revocations in a diff channel	[16:18]
thickasthieves	google can still be google	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	it'd certainly be useful for linux-y types, me and google divorced when it took out the operands.	[16:19]
thickasthieves	and would be smart to move harder in the curation direction in the face of such a service	[16:19]
thickasthieves	they already are tho,	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	and google is the shittiest curator imaginable. people in commie romania thought they had it bad, but this is pointedly worse.	[16:19]
thickasthieves	Google Music, etc	[16:19]
thickasthieves	well thats why you use newsearch and lazy ignorants use goog	[16:20]
thickasthieves	i actually call it Project Search Party	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	"oh, everything is on wikipedia" is not curation. why the fuck would i want google to return a wikipedia result in the first place, what, as if i don't know they probably have a shitty article sort-of talking around topic x ?	[16:20]
thickasthieves	the project i'll never work on but always talk about	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	why aren't you working on it again ?	[16:21]
thickasthieves	how the fuck to make a search engine?	[16:22]
thickasthieves	i dont even mine!	[16:22]
punkman	thickasthieves: write down some ideas	[16:22]
thickasthieves	i think i do have a writeup started somewhere with examples, etc	[16:22]
thickasthieves	but i cant even manage getting someone to recompile altcoind for windows	[16:23]
thickasthieves	soooo	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves the way people do. you write down the task, break it up, write down the parts, break them up, read up on the topics, implement, refine...	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	what have all these other schmucks been doing ever since this chan started ?	[16:23]
punkman	I want to make personal search engine that gets fed with my browsing history, bookmarks, local content (email, logs, etc)	[16:23]
thickasthieves	i also would like (and surely others would to) a cumalitive customizable chart for bitcoin exchanges	[16:24]
thickasthieves	so i can choose which ones to combine into one chart	[16:24]
jurov	punkman KDE tried with akonadi... kinda works after years of prodding	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	such a consummate consumer this guy.	[16:24]
punkman	thickasthieves: I got code that can fetch ticker/trade data from dozens of exchanges	[16:25]
thickasthieves	punkman, this is kinda what cell phone OS are doing	[16:25]
jurov	such overarching systems are usable only for incredibly patient people like me	[16:25]
punkman	been wanting to put it into use	[16:25]
thickasthieves	when you search on android it digs into all kindsa shit	[16:25]
thickasthieves	punkman, are you capable of turning that into something that can output a custom file to feed into Metatrader or such?	[16:26]
nubbins`	ios/spotlight search too	[16:26]
punkman	yes	[16:26]
thickasthieves	and capable of serving such a chart on a website like bitcoinwisdom?	[16:26]
thickasthieves	(not bitcoinwisdom of course)	[16:26]
punkman	that'd take some time, lots of javascripts	[16:26]
punkman	unless I can export from metatrader	[16:26]
thickasthieves	i think traders would gobble it up	[16:27]
thickasthieves	a live aggragate chart with customizable tickboxes for exchanges	[16:27]
thickasthieves	aggregate	[16:27]
punkman	yeah and maybe sockets people can subscribe to	[16:27]
bounce	you built that fetch code?	[16:28]
thickasthieves	this was partly within my ideas for Coinflow, before bitcoin play exchanges all died	[16:28]
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mircea_popescu	that's the risk, you put the work in, "traders" love it, then it turns out the "traders" are 500 redditards all sunk to the hilt in bitfinex/bitjam/whatever	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	then you make fiddy bitcents off them and a well.	[16:28]
thickasthieves	if you establish the user base, then you can become the dominant index provider	[16:29]
thickasthieves	Coindesk seems on this path, but theyre bound to fuck it up	[16:30]
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mircea_popescu	you won't become the dominant index provider because people who matter don't chart and people who chart don't matter.	[16:31]
thickasthieves	but everyone wants to know the price	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	you will become the reddit index provider, which is not how you feed that market. you don't make goof stuff for the consumers, you make cheap shitty stuff for them	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	then hire people to tell them how it's all okay.	[16:31]
thickasthieves	lol	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	everyone does want to know the price, but a speshal few know you wouldn't know anyway.	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	this being kinda why all the however many exchange feed centralizers went nowhere.	[16:32]
thickasthieves	should there not be someone who is trying hardest to discern the price?	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	putting most work into != trying hardest necessarily. besides, what's this hardest, taking exchange feeds ?	[16:33]
thickasthieves	maybe mapping otc in there, trying to pry info from people like coinbase or bitpay, i dunno	[16:33]
thickasthieves	ur right tho	[16:33]
thickasthieves	other turdtards are already on this	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	not to be a parade pisser, but there's problems lurking.	[16:34]
thickasthieves	Winkdex	[16:34]
thickasthieves	Coindesk, etc	[16:34]
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thickasthieves	i got off track anyway	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	generally what everyone thinks is the thing to do is wrong, which is why the "never compete in saturated markets" advice's served me so well over the years.	[16:34]
thickasthieves	the idea was to make the feeds managable	[16:34]
thickasthieves	not to curate	[16:34]
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mircea_popescu	maybe my needs are unrepresentative, but i find they're served equally well by any of the older providers. bitcoincharts, bitcoinity, whatevers.	[16:35]
thickasthieves	true, this is more of a trader thing	[16:35]
thickasthieves	stemming from,	[16:35]
thickasthieves	there are big players working across exchanges	[16:36]
thickasthieves	so volume on one is far from representative	[16:36]
thickasthieves	so if you are attempting to chart or even look at trends or volume alone, you relaly need the whole picture	[16:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.0008034 = 16.55 BTC [+]	[16:36]
thickasthieves	i do understand this is still a limited spectrum	[16:37]
thickasthieves	but it's the spectrum in which traders play	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves do you understand that as dubious as charts are generally, which we won't rehash, at least generally there's the atomic market ?	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	whereas for all you know in bitcoin twelve whales get together in a secret chan somehwere and that's how the price moves ?	[16:37]
thickasthieves	sure, i meant this with the spectrum comments	[16:38]
thickasthieves	i'm not commenting on whether its just a shared delusion	[16:38]
thickasthieves	that doesnt matter	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	girls just wanna have fun ?	[16:38]
thickasthieves	cuz, well, everything is	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	not everything is. that's the essential point.	[16:38]
thickasthieves	i'm being hyper abstract	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	lol what's that ?	[16:39]
thickasthieves	well things only matter in a context	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	okay.	[16:39]
thickasthieves	and the more contexts you fractalize, the less they matter to the outside	[16:39]
thickasthieves	with the outer being total meaninglessness	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	what's to fractalize ?	[16:40]
thickasthieves	encapsulate smaller contexts	[16:40]
thickasthieves	paradigms	[16:40]
thickasthieves	in the end we're all just floating muck, without context	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	you gonna get butthurt if i tell you your though process would drastically benefit from more rigor ?	[16:41]
thickasthieves	nope	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	good, cuz it would.	[16:42]
thickasthieves	itd help if i knew what you meant tho	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	somehow i've never noticed it before, but chicks in this country have positively gorgeous hair	[16:42]
xiando	It doesn't matter if you really are 12+ whales on some private IRC channel, you can't just set the price anyway.	[16:42]
thickasthieves	are you just saying, stop spouting bullshit and read more books?	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	xiando o, no ? http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/ ? http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-how-much-i-rule-today/ ?	[16:43]
assbot	In which noobs learn lessons and pay for the privilege pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[16:43]
assbot	This is how much I rule (today) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves not at all. i mean something quite specific :	[16:44]
adlai	spouting bullshit is OK, as long as you curate it a bit better than just letting assbot dump it all in a text file	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	you say "hyper abstract". this is like in code, calling function X. compiler (me) goes wait, wut ? so you go "function X () { random banal shit; }"	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	now, it's entirely your privilege, as the human in this relationship, to define function x any way you please	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	but the particular definition you gave indicates to the compiler, were the compiler human, that a) you hadn't considered it before using it and b) as defined prolly doesn't serve you in any sense.	[16:45]
thickasthieves	i gave it such a name for this reason	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	how's that work ?	[16:46]
thickasthieves	as i knew i was about to explain something as i thought it, but i also knew it was a concept in my head from the past but which i have never articulated in words	[16:46]
bounce	something like abstract algebra. do math to numbers only forget about the numbers.	[16:46]
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mircea_popescu	thickasthieves obviously i can appreciate thinking is a process, and one has to make sense of one's [intellectual] history, etc.	[16:47]
thickasthieves	in case you havent noticed i like to explore the space in between things, and question the extremes	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	that's not in question.	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	it's a matter of methodology not of scope. the how, not the what.	[16:47]
thickasthieves	this often puts my in either a devils advocate position, or stranded	[16:47]
adlai	"write drunk, edit sober"	[16:47]
thickasthieves	me	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	lol who's that, hemingway ?	[16:48]
adlai	indeed!	[16:48]
bounce	in this case I have no idea what you're on about	[16:48]
thickasthieves	lol	[16:48]
thickasthieves	tldr	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	bounce just a little defensive, because not erryday gets to discuss his headpenis, and in public to boot!	[16:48]
thickasthieves	i was merely saying that this aggregate chart idea was for traders and thats ok	[16:48]
thickasthieves	even if traders are delusional	[16:48]
thickasthieves	they have chosen their paradigm	[16:49]
bounce	eh, maybe.	[16:49]
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adlai	why not sell it to the SEC for when they want to regulate bitcoin markets	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	so have camwhores ? what is this.	[16:49]
*	bounce had been playing with the idea of an aggregator. didn't get around to actually do it though.	[16:49]
bounce	it's a good place to sit, business model-wise.	[16:49]
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adlai	how exactly?	[16:50]
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thickasthieves	what charts do camwhores need?	[16:51]
adlai	camwhores could probably use some quality analytics	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	camwhores are expert anatitics.	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	because i never noticed as many flaws an dproblems in a woman as when sitting with a coupla camhos watching her.	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	half the shit wasn't even there.	[16:52]
thickasthieves	funny story, an ex client, against my advice, moved to a notoriously bad (cheap) web guy,	[16:52]
thickasthieves	yesterday their domain expired and now points to pornhub	[16:53]
thickasthieves	council on Aging	[16:53]
thickasthieves	just launched their capital campaign	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[16:53]
thickasthieves	so all these old fogies are watching bj vids now	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	best thing for em.	[16:53]
thickasthieves	probly better than worrying about when Meals on Wheels will be by	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, i have a metal hand press, and a pile of oranges. so im going to make myself some freshly squeezed orange juice and douse it in the local cognac.	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	anyone want anything ?	[16:54]
ben_vulpes	30 btc and a testing framework for 0.5.3	[16:55]
adlai	screwdriver pls	[16:55]
bounce	you got a teleporter?	[16:55]
adlai	made with cheap potato vodka	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	well no, but there's airplanes where you ppls live neh ?	[16:55]
bounce	if so, sure, why not	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	onus on the customer, that's the mpex way!	[16:55]
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bounce	local airport is closed. nice long tarmac strip though, so send over the bitcoin jet.	[16:56]
thickasthieves	when can i have 3d printed jack&coke?	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	that doesn't taste like bottled tarmac ?	[16:57]
adlai	see now that is real fertile territory for innovation	[16:57]
bounce	bottled tarmac?	[16:57]
adlai	analyze jack&coke, engineer enzymes targeting its contents, put them in yeast and feast	[16:58]
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mircea_popescu	bounce well 3d printing is mostly toothpaste sculpture, except with plastic.	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	(am i the only one into toothpaste art around the age of 5 or so ?)	[17:00]
adlai	well i did notice at one point that squeezing my asshole while pooping could theoretically sculpt the resulting turd, kinda like a lathe	[17:02]
adlai	then i began drinking coffee and my turds are now denser than depleted uranium	[17:03]
thickasthieves	lol	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	so coffee depletes the uranium in your got ?	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	gut*	[17:04]
adlai	"chemical printing" gets tossed around as the next step in automated manufacturing	[17:04]
ben_vulpes	sounds like your typical semi fab.	[17:04]
adlai	bounce: so you could theoretically "chemically print" the composition of any drink, medicine, poison, drug, explosive, etc	[17:04]
bounce	squirt acid on pcbs with an inkjet and skip the whole masking thing?	[17:05]
ben_vulpes	also, your typical us "food product" fab.	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	adlai and what it means is, "even cheaper furniture and finishings for the us mortgage mouse"	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	nah, it	[17:05]
adlai	well, semi fab is using chemicals to manufacture a physical design	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	'll just be for cheap toys, nightstand knobs that sorta thing.	[17:05]
ben_vulpes	i really don't see the difference.	[17:05]
adlai	"chemical printing" (which doesn't exist yet, afaik) is about using sufficiently advanced technology to manufacture specific chemicals	[17:06]
thickasthieves	nude self portait figurines, etc	[17:06]
ben_vulpes	vlsi or crappy door handle...	[17:06]
bounce	on-demand printing of otherwise unobtanium and expensivium parts is kinda useful though	[17:06]
ben_vulpes	like dna base pairs in bulk?	[17:06]
adlai	yes	[17:06]
ben_vulpes	p sure that's a thing already.	[17:06]
adlai	well, maybe for DNA base pairs	[17:06]
ben_vulpes	but i been out of the atoms biz for a while now.	[17:06]
bounce	dna printing. grow result in petri dish. cook. serve as dinner.	[17:06]
ben_vulpes	cocaine?	[17:06]
adlai	but not for arbitrary compounds	[17:06]
ben_vulpes	thc?	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves i had a bet with a younger, entrepreneur friend, which went that if automatic "make clone of your own penis" and "test yourself for all diseases" kits appear at the same time, the former'll oversell the latter.	[17:06]
adlai	insulin?	[17:07]
adlai	epinephrine?	[17:07]
ben_vulpes	spider silk componds in goat bladders?	[17:07]
bounce	somehow I think I'll prefer food the old fashioned way	[17:07]
adlai	now we're talking!	[17:07]
ben_vulpes	it's all a matter of demand, the tooling is out there.	[17:07]
ben_vulpes	a fact conveniently overlooked by populist health preachers.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	Print-A-Girlfriend OneStopShop & Kinko's.	[17:07]
thickasthieves	You can haz TWO penises now!	[17:07]
bounce	lots of tools out there	[17:07]
thickasthieves	you can screw your gf in all holes at once	[17:08]
thickasthieves	it's like youre really there	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[17:08]
adlai	well what would you do with the extra cock	[17:08]
bounce	we'd be back with the whole eugenics problem, only with a different face on it	[17:08]
adlai	it needs to get stitched in somewhere	[17:08]
adlai	you can't just print a cock and start waving it around like a dildo	[17:09]
thickasthieves	well you print extra cock with handles of course	[17:09]
thickasthieves	you can have a strap-on of ur own dick to do both holes	[17:09]
adlai	this is more a challenge of neuroscience and plastic surgery	[17:09]
jurov	http://www.boycottlinux.org/ << asciilifeform don't read	[17:09]
assbot	boycott Linux	[17:09]
jurov	he'll be fuming half day from that	[17:10]
adlai	i'm already pissed from the lack of hyperlinked endnotes	[17:10]
bounce	pissed? bit early, no.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	somewhat related : http://33.media.tumblr.com/31a8b25182400990210c3693b5dad84f/tumblr_n9qte4DDut1sgoh5do2_400.gif << this is exactly civilisation	[17:12]
mats_cd03	until now, i had never considered DPing a woman with a 3D print of my own dong	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	keep the natural away, use the replica.	[17:12]
mats_cd03	isnt modern life great?	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 whatever you do, don't do the bj kiss. it'll ruin "traditional" life for you.	[17:13]
jurov	soon the replicas will be able to transmit feelings	[17:13]
mats_cd03	i try to discretely offer a glass of water	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	jurov first, diseases.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	then feelings.	[17:13]
mats_cd03	not that i don't enjoy the taste of my own dong, just... i don't	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 no, not that one. the one where you kiss a girl while the other sucks you off.	[17:14]
jurov	lolk	[17:14]
adlai	"Linux's spread... reinvents the flat tire" nice	[17:14]
mats_cd03	doing two at once seems like a lot of work	[17:14]
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mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 only if you think of them.	[17:15]
mats_cd03	like... do you stop for a snack?	[17:15]
mats_cd03	i'd be exhausted.	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	i stop for a snack anyway !?	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	bounce: so, is there any data anywhere of the efficacy and efficiency of KYC and AML reg implementations? << nope.	[17:19]
asciilifeform	jurov: herr poettering owns a copy of 'sed' and a small sense of humour - but very little talent, turns out.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	much like the tsa bs, it's never been reviewed.	[17:19]
thickasthieves	well nothing to review, it's not a service to the people, it's a service to the gov	[17:21]
thickasthieves	the internet makes crime easier, and US just wants to make sure they are the ones having it easy	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	but i like how bounce's legal mind works. seriously, contrary to all the pretense of the entrenched "profession" to the contrary, being a lawyer is EXACTLY being a coder, nothing different at all, let alone substantially different is taught in law school. the ONLY difference is that the hardware is very limited and the api incredibly old and terribly buggy.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	course "loophole" doesn't have the same sound to it as "bug" does.	[17:22]
asciilifeform	attention turdatronic engineers:	[17:22]
asciilifeform	left turd syncing overnight, at bh ~= 252450, exhausted ram (8g)	[17:22]
asciilifeform	leakatron.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform o yea.	[17:22]
thickasthieves	you remove patches, it leaks	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[17:22]
asciilifeform	anyone running 'bare' 0.5.3 ?	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	anyway, anyone willing to work with an incredibly intricately documented ad-hoc algol is more than welcome to be a lawyer. all it takes really.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	adlai: "The system, akin to an X-ray machine for the stock market" Here we see the useless metaphor in its natural habitat, a NYtimes article << lol, quite. at least salon and the rest of the sew crowd make their metaphores pointedly wrong, rather than useless.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	"The U.S. and the European Union have imposed several rounds of crippling sanctions against Moscow" << lolmkay.	[17:27]
asciilifeform	didn't point out, crippling - who	[17:27]
asciilifeform	*whom	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform myeah. writing for your audience, worst fucking idea ever.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	also this is why english is the international language whereas russian is not : english allows two parties to reach a "mutual conclusion" which they can both live with.	[17:29]
adlai	why doesn't russian?	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	russians : "The U.S. and the European Union have imposed several rounds of crippling sanctions against Moscow" ; nato : "The U.S. and the European Union have imposed several rounds of crippling sanctions against Moscow".	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	but in russian : США и Европейский союз ввели несколько раундов санкций против Москвы парализует себя. / США и Европейский союз ввели несколько раундов санкций сокрушительный Москву.	[17:31]
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asciilifeform	'google translate' died for mircea_popescu's sins	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	:D	[17:31]
adlai	"US and European Union have introduced several rounds of sanctions against Moscow paralyze yourself"	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	wait wut ?	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	sebya = yourself now ?!	[17:33]
adlai	google translate of : until /	[17:33]
adlai	best mistranslation I've seen recently was a cop booking a swiss friend for rear-ending another car in massachusets	[17:35]
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adlai	swiss guy's license is all in Deutsch, natürlich, so our brilliant state trooper scribbles in huge block letters in the accident report: "DUTCH LICENSE NUMBER 123456"	[17:36]
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mircea_popescu	thickasthieves: So if the SEC is enabling some traders to get early info, will the SEC fine the SEC? << funny how that works eh.	[17:36]
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mircea_popescu	;;google hungary is a country turkey	[17:37]
gribble	A blonde and a 3rd grade geography question - Snotr: ; Relations between Turkey and Hungary - Ministry of Foreign Affairs: ; Can she be THAT stupid? - YouTube:	[17:37]
mats_cd03	;;ticker	[17:37]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 337.26, Best ask: 338.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.74000, Last trade: 338.0, 24 hour volume: 10893.91462845, 24 hour low: 332.99, 24 hour high: 344.22, 24 hour vwap: 338.382085275	[17:37]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.people.com/people/kellie_pickler/ << related.	[17:38]
assbot	Kellie Pickler : People.com	[17:38]
asciilifeform	so, no one ever put the cursed thing through 'valgrind' or the like?	[17:38]
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asciilifeform	i'm supposed to believe this?	[17:39]
adlai	satoshi was a visionary artist, not an engineer	[17:39]
asciilifeform	satoshackson pollack	[17:39]
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adlai	looking over his original code... i'm almost surprised he didn't write in pascal	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2014#893892	[17:40]
assbot	Logged on 24-10-2014 20:23:36; mircea_popescu: nobody that knows how to use valgrind.	[17:40]
adlai	well odin probably does, and a handful of grunts handling the sweaty work	[17:40]
asciilifeform	there is also the possibility that this shit is too much like work, and that is the explanation.	[17:41]
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mircea_popescu	punkman: I've always thought the drainholes under keyboard in Lenovo machines were a great idea, haven't had a chance to test it though <<< this is the train of thought that ends up with keyboard rats.	[17:41]
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*	asciilifeform was recently issued just such a machine by the fellow he works for. had an interesting 'face' when saw the holes.	[17:42]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform anyway, as you well know, easy to make small holes while writing c++. in fact, the best use of c++ might be irrigation systesm.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	"our holes never plug!"	[17:42]
kakobrekla	calm down, not all holes are made for fucking.	[17:43]
adlai	this is not the attitude that put a robot on mars	[17:43]
asciilifeform	now it's fucking around aimlessly while trying to pull blocks	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: want wot? fix python. << want food ? invent deer!	[17:43]
adlai	import deer	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	dub weiser ?	[17:44]
gernika	Is there a seminal discussion on deeds/deedbot I can read up on?	[17:45]
*	adlai tried making a python joke	[17:45]
kakobrekla	adlai not compatible python 3	[17:45]
xiando	only 170 btc from 20k short at BFX o/	[17:46]
adlai	they broke import!?	[17:46]
adlai	xiando: is anybody correlating swap market moves with market sells?	[17:47]
thickasthieves	"Her charming babe-in-the-woods persona also contributed to her post-Idol success" lol	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	gernika it's in the logs, yeah.	[17:47]
xiando	adlai: You see it clearly on bfxdata, like 2 hours ago there was a 1600 BTC trade where you clearly see both USD and BTC margin take spikes	[17:48]
asciilifeform	does phoundation's latest turd leak?	[17:48]
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xiando	most swap taken is either used directly or within hours	[17:48]
thickasthieves	pankkake says .9 is where it's at	[17:48]
adlai	xiando: eyeballing correlations is nice, but it's just eyeballing... then again, this is just my kneejerk distrust of eyeballs rather than any concrete reason to suspect there's a problem with this approach	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	gernika http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2014#718931 starts there.	[17:51]
assbot	Logged on 14-06-2014 11:59:24; mircea_popescu: so based on mike_c's discussion last night, i think i have a very good addition to b-a kako. it'd go like this :	[17:51]
gernika	mircea_popescu great thanks	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#789340 latter reprise. and there's a pastebin with the actual spec too.	[17:53]
assbot	Logged on 11-08-2014 00:24:04; mircea_popescu: Jason the idea is to expand current bitcoin-assets functionality with a register of deeds.	[17:53]
punkman	gernika, this should explain a lot http://dpaste.com/05YF5VH	[17:53]
assbot	dpaste: 05YF5VH	[17:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ever plugged the leak in your secret magic turd?	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform mine doesn't leak, no.	[17:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: care to share even this patch?	[17:54]
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mircea_popescu	but my dear man, it isn't A patch.	[17:54]
xiando	adlai: I actually do not get what you mean or why you are wondering if there is a colleration, if you short sell 1000 BTC then you borrow 1000 BTC so obviously swaps increase when the sell happens.	[17:55]
*	asciilifeform knew it, mircea_popescu is running own gadget.	[17:55]
asciilifeform	why are we polishing turd again...?	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there's at least two holes still extant to this day, i thought i said at some point	[17:55]
thickasthieves	why does this whole deeds, b-a form, sending 1btc to urself, hash, thing make me think about colored coins?	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	no idea ?	[17:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.0008034 = 8.1545 BTC [+]	[17:58]
thickasthieves	does it already serve the purpose?	[17:59]
thickasthieves	it essentially lets you attach a "hash" to a token and tx, which is just a hyperlink to stored data elsewhere i think	[18:00]
*	asciilifeform wondering if pankkake starved	[18:01]
asciilifeform	see also http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3217750625724755@naggum.net.html	[18:01]
assbot	Re: realistic but short and simple LISP examples? - Naggum cll archive	[18:01]
thickasthieves	http://blog.coinprism.com/2014/09/04/colorcore-open-source-wallet-for-open-assets/	[18:02]
assbot	Announcing Colorcore: an open source wallet for Open Assets - Coinprism Blog	[18:02]
thickasthieves	yay! http://www.coindesk.com/jon-matonis-resigns-bitcoin-foundation-executive-director/	[18:03]
assbot	Jon Matonis Resigns As Bitcoin Foundation Executive Director	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	in the sense that braindamaged implementations of nothing in particular are similar to actually useful implementations on the same basis, then yes, all c code reminds one of all c code and deeds of colored coins	[18:03]
thickasthieves	was onlybringing it up in case their stuff can be repurposed to save time	[18:04]
thickasthieves	a bit lately probly anywya	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	punkman: yeah I love that I'm running "develop" versions for all major pieces (supybot, electrum) <<< real manhood.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves i wouldn't touch it anyway.	[18:04]
thickasthieves	"Matonis has served as the head of the bitcoin industry's oldest trade organisation since July 2013"	[18:04]
thickasthieves	oldest trade org	[18:04]
thickasthieves	lol	[18:04]
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mircea_popescu	we're here in the process of reimplementing the world because we don't trust one set of turdmeisters, you expect code will be reused from an even derpier set ?	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	oldest trade org <<< check it out, they're aware bitcoin foundation is going to destroy bitcoin scamfoundation.	[18:05]
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mircea_popescu	punkman: so pack of tobacco from corner store, 4-5eur from 17gr, bag of tobacco from guy I know, 20eur for 1kg. << srsly, you're too useful to be smoking by the kg.	[18:06]
thickasthieves	lol ur like the annoying kid that always wins	[18:06]
thickasthieves	stahp!	[18:06]
adlai	xiando: btc swaps go into short selling btcusd, but also margin longing ltcbtc, th1btc. some also get reserved and not used immediately	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves lol but i have 30+ year's experience at it!	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	why are we polishing turd again...? << only way there is.	[18:07]
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adlai	xanthyos: another scenario: i place a margin bid. you market sell. usd swaps go up, but the market has dropped. does this show up in an eyeballing of the charts?	[18:07]
thickasthieves	adlai, most of the swaps are taken up by swap dealers, and more likely, bfx itself	[18:08]
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xanthyos	?	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	!up buytoshi	[18:08]
-assbot-	You voiced buytoshi for 30 minutes.	[18:08]
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adlai	sorry, both messages were for xiando	[18:08]
xanthyos	ok	[18:08]
thickasthieves	only one x name per room, wtf	[18:08]
adlai	eyeballing is probably effective for reasonably accurate big picture view, especially in a situation like bfx, where most volume is in a single market	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`: it's like having a part-time job where you get paid to not show up <<< you're like one step away from being a mobster don. which is what that job is.	[18:09]
adlai	but at some point i'd like to algorithmically snarf this data, and i wonder occasionally how exactly to correlate between all these feeds	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2014#903160 << what script is this about ?	[18:11]
assbot	Logged on 30-10-2014 13:20:00; thickasthieves: pankkake says hello: "That’s not an “update”, please avoid associating your nonsense with my script. Your “solution” provides no easy maintenance and comes with greater hardware requirements (as with anything pre-0.8), but I suppose you guys are pretty much clueless on this. Also conveniently forgetting that 0.9 introduced the possibility of disabling the wallet functionalit	[18:11]
thickasthieves	mp, next is link	[18:11]
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mircea_popescu	"It’s like talking to a wall. There’s no use arguing with a cult."	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[18:12]
thickasthieves	thats why he does it?	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	"i can't convince you people that 3 = 4 it's like talking to a wall you're a cult wah wah"	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	what the shit even.	[18:13]
thickasthieves	mad at the world	[18:13]
thickasthieves	“The scenario of deflation is not there, because indeed we don’t consider that deflation is going to happen,” said the ECB’s vice-president, Vitor Constancio, ECB	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, i still duno wtf script. what script ?	[18:13]
thickasthieves	pete mentions it, sec	[18:13]
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thickasthieves	ah	[18:14]
thickasthieves	it's the script pankkake made to run a node	[18:14]
thickasthieves	pete modified it	[18:14]
thickasthieves	and pankkake says he dumb	[18:14]
thickasthieves	http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/10/guide-to-setting-up-a-remote-bitcoin-node-for-20-per-year/	[18:14]
assbot	Guide To Setting Up A Remote Bitcoin Node For $20 Per Year \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[18:14]
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thickasthieves	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867680	[18:14]
assbot	Logged on 10-10-2014 16:49:26; pete_dushenski: 0.9.3 is obviously dirt but how would one go about installing 0.6.x on a vps?	[18:14]
undata	what openssl version is the 0.5.3 fork being built against?	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	well, left a comment, doesn't show.	[18:18]
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mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/LLMWKukj in case pete actually loses it.	[18:20]
assbot	Neither arguing something stupidly nor arguing for something stupid gives one li - Pastebin.com	[18:20]
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mircea_popescu	thickasthieves: " Whether one is a US-based exchange or not doesn't decide whether one needs to register. The question is whether a company has clients in the US or not. If so, they are subject to regulations of that jurisdiction." << utter bullshit.	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	i will NOT register with anyone ever on the guise that they can't keep their cattle in line.	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	this is like pretending that ranchers must register with one another because the cattle strays on their land and eats their grass.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	gtfo before i start shooting.	[18:22]
thickasthieves	granted, though i realize now the quote is missing a bit of context, I think he was more pointing out that you could operate in the US, outwardly	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	you don't likle us citizens betting on bitbet, put fucking dildos in their chairs.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves no such thing.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	they don't like it, close the borders.	[18:23]
thickasthieves	thats why i found it interesting	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	they want the border open ? lube up and moan with the music.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	the world is not a us subject. the us is a subject in this relationship. an incredibly cheeky one, to boot.	[18:23]
thickasthieves	would they let me run SR from here if i only sold to Russians?	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	such broken.	[18:24]
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mircea_popescu	ahh logs done.	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	this is so easier when y'all don't go fucking crazy with the keyboards!	[18:26]
thickasthieves	what happens if you apply this thought to S.nsa, it's safe only to sell encryption devices for btc from US, not to? nope...	[18:26]
thickasthieves	it's all so fukn retarded	[18:26]
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thickasthieves	random thought, reading qntra this morning, i pictured 5 years in the future, where it was the craigslist of localized anarchonews	[18:27]
thickasthieves	california.qntra.net, etc	[18:28]
thickasthieves	just a thought...	[18:28]
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bounce	florida.qntra.net, where everything happens	[18:30]
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xiando	mircea_popescu, if US laws apply in practice if you serve US citizens or not is basically a question of where you are, really. If you are in this country and the US tells the regime they want you then you're just picked up and put on a plane and maby, if you are very lucky, someone in the regime will bother to ask why they want you	[18:34]
xiando	It is like property rights locally, you are supposed to have them but you don't anymore	[18:36]
asciilifeform	thickasthieves: for btc from US << i expect to be gassed at some point (or to escape, but that's a pipe dream currently.)	[18:38]
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thickasthieves	underground railroad your way to me, i have an empty house atm ;)	[18:38]
asciilifeform	thickasthieves: why would slave take the railroad to a slave territory?	[18:39]
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thickasthieves	well you can train wherever you want, but you gotta make stops	[18:39]
asciilifeform	thickasthieves: i think i explained on, possibly 10+ occasions, the hard part is not the airplane (i even bought one of those arse-search passes we spoke of.)	[18:40]
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asciilifeform	any idiot can scrape together a few pennies and get on an airplane.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	xiando not really that simple, but anyway.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	ever saw this one http://libertymaven.com/wp-content/uploads/bird_swallowing_choking_frog.png ?	[18:42]
asciilifeform	i think i posted that here at one point.	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	florida.qntra.net, where everything happens moar like, orangecounty.florida.qntra.net ?	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	http://the-legion-of-decency.blogspot.com.ar/2010/05/sometimes-dragon-wins.html	[18:47]
assbot	The Legion of Decency: Sometimes The Dragon Wins	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	fucking execution squad for bikers, i tell you that right off.	[18:47]
thickasthieves	if you forget the email addy for an admin in Wordpress, how to password reset?	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	should be a little link on the page.	[18:49]
thickasthieves	ah shit, it's an email box that doesnt ecist	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	so change it in the mysql.	[18:50]
thickasthieves	i figured out the email, it's a dead one :/	[18:50]
xiando	change it in the db if you have access to it	[18:50]
thickasthieves	i do, though only a lil experience	[18:50]
bounce	no execution squads for road users, thanks.	[18:50]
thickasthieves	do you know what records i'm diggin for?	[18:50]
*	bounce doesn't really understand the animosity between bikes and cars, though. seems to be a north american thing.	[18:51]
asciilifeform	;;google gold plated car	[18:51]
gribble	This Gold-Plated Lamborghini Model Car Will Set You Back $7.5 ...: ; Gold Touch Inc mobile gold plating: ; World's most expensive car? £4million gold Lamborghini ... - Daily Mail:	[18:51]
thickasthieves	no one likes bicycles except cyclists	[18:51]
asciilifeform	fail	[18:51]
gernika	thx punkman	[18:51]
asciilifeform	(ancient essay on 'gold-plated cars', aka motorcycles, as moral hazard re: insurance)	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	bounce easy to explain : all preditors have an innate hatred of fast moving, light items ; preditors are better suited than rumminants for life on earth. as a result, people on bikes are in a position ot annyo people in cars, and people in cars are in a position to give them what for.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	but the ruminants are really good at bleeting, and in the us currently that temporarily means something.,	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	so there you go. otherwise, the "animosity" is properly resolved with bikers paying the fuck attention and being humble and apologetic all the time to everyone.	[18:52]
xiando	thickasthieves: wp_users table ID 1	[18:52]
asciilifeform	elementary missing piece here - in many places in usa, a bicyclist is permitted to occupy a full lane. this slows traffic in the entire road to a crawl, very often, because now everyone is stuck in first gear.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform seems a detail.	[18:53]
asciilifeform	important detail when you're in this type of 'funeral parade' every other day.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	for sure.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	just run them over.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	it's what i tell my drivers, anyway.	[18:54]
gernika	I once ran over a bicyclist. She then got a ticket.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	if it was anyone important, he'd be in a car.	[18:54]
asciilifeform	drivers also struggle to escape from the 'funeral' lane, hastily swap lanes to the left, and often collide	[18:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42727 @ 0.00080284 = 34.3029 BTC [-] {2}	[18:55]
asciilifeform	except in usa, just about everyone is in a car, king and slave	[18:55]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, bikers in romania pissed me the fuck off. bikers here are actually pleasant,	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	except one time i nearly clobbered this purely retarded, english speaking middle aged woman.	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	so it's definitely education.	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	"According to the forensic report, the vehicle never exceeded an AVERAGE speed of 34 Kph." << gotta love these forensic reports. the never exceeded average ? lol	[18:58]
asciilifeform	other thing to remember is that sidewalks are not standard in usa.	[18:58]
asciilifeform	(no idea about ca)	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	scandalous, this. but they are standard in new england	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	they're just not standard in shitholes.	[18:58]
asciilifeform	'anyone important is always in a car' (tm) - remember	[18:59]
asciilifeform	or, so it was when these roads were built.	[18:59]
asciilifeform	hence - no sidewalk.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform important. the notion that all the lemmings drive... meh. not really so great.	[19:00]
asciilifeform	direct interplay with housing bezzle	[19:00]
asciilifeform	the general magic number '1 hour commute' defines where usaschwitz inmate can work	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	and yet argentina has the world's widest street.	[19:01]
xiando	could actually be true if the vehicle had a constant speed of 34 Kph (such likely)	[19:01]
asciilifeform	those who are willing to pay the 'auto tax' into housing bezzle and get a 2-3x costlier flat, can live in special reservations where driving is optional.	[19:01]
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bounce	that thing stinks quite a bit.	[19:08]
asciilifeform	as orlov pointed out, the u.s. bezzle consists of an iron 'car, house, job' triangle.	[19:09]
asciilifeform	in other news, turd firmly wedged at block height 252450.	[19:12]
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thickasthieves	looks like craigslist already does this kinda http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/rnr/4723589172.html	[19:22]
assbot	Death Row Inmate Asks For A Child As His Last Meal, Texas DOC Plan To	[19:22]
thickasthieves	hehe	[19:22]
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asciilifeform	if only.	[19:26]
asciilifeform	(texas abolished the tradition of last meal in 2011)	[19:27]
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thickasthieves	adlai you watching this bfx action?	[19:42]
thickasthieves	!up adlai	[19:43]
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adlai	oh thanks	[19:43]
*	adlai tries not to watch the markets when he's not actively tinkering with scalpl	[19:43]
thickasthieves	unusual stuff	[19:44]
adlai	these are some nice dumps though	[19:44]
thickasthieves	washing?	[19:44]
adlai	washing?	[19:45]
thickasthieves	selftrading	[19:45]
kakobrekla	what is this bfx action	[19:45]
thickasthieves	someone posting 1000btc bids, someone filling them all at once	[19:46]
thickasthieves	4 times now	[19:46]
adlai	anything is possible when you have such a wild west of unregulation	[19:46]
thickasthieves	http://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort.php	[19:46]
assbot	Bitfinex Short vs Long Swaps	[19:46]
adlai	well, if you're waiting around to sell a slippy amount, and liquidity appears, you'll take that opportunity	[19:46]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, others: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3217750625724755@naggum.net.html << basic intro to 'open source doesn't work.' --- 'we' have steaming heaps of shit instead of software because that's what 'we're' willing to pay for.	[20:33]
assbot	Re: realistic but short and simple LISP examples? - Naggum cll archive	[20:33]
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ben_vulpes	i can pay only in time.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i confess i'm one of the sinful looking for a golden middle way	[20:34]
asciilifeform	don't get me wrong, if there liveth among us a hero who can piss out the required diamonds in his spare time, let him pull the sword out of the stone.	[20:34]
asciilifeform	but if it turns out that i am the only one here who even knows how to operate 'valgrind', 'gdb', etc. - you're SOL, fellas.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	not what i mean tho. incidentally : that's rms gnu. he lies when he says that's foss. it's not. it's a particular attempt at a middle way, with him as the "modest" hero.	[20:35]
thickasthieves	asciilifeform, i heard TBF is looking for a new gavin	[20:36]
asciilifeform	thickasthieves: go sign up	[20:36]
thickasthieves	i'd probly do a better job	[20:36]
thickasthieves	and i dont even code	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves not under pressure.	[20:36]
asciilifeform	whatchawaitingfor then.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	you're in the position of the wooden plank that's straighter than a bridge crossbeam. yes, now.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	gavin did a pretty ok job in 2012, too.	[20:37]
thickasthieves	well i do have pm experience, itd be my only tool to tackle the job	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	then gunk starts piling up, and before you know it... you're praying nobody notioces.	[20:37]
thickasthieves	but i'm not interested anyway	[20:37]
mats_cd03	is there a linter for iptables?	[20:37]
los_pantalones	the short is payin up right now	[20:38]
los_pantalones	335-340 trades couple thousand	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 wut is that ? you mean like lint for iptables ?!	[20:38]
mats_cd03	i can't tell if we're on the same page. but yes.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	as in "sanity check" ?	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	csf has something iirc.	[20:39]
asciilifeform	to finish off my 'sword into the stone' speech - yes, i can do this. (turd lathe.) but - if i were to put in the time required, the hour would soon come that i could not pay electric bill. and then s.nsa, and turdatron, will have to summon the gnome rumplestilskin to work in my stead. while i boil in whatever pot in hell moiety and pankkake are cooking in.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	poor moiety ;/	[20:39]
thickasthieves	drewr is market buying now	[20:39]
thickasthieves	this dude is askin for it	[20:39]
mats_cd03	;;ticker	[20:39]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 339.85, Best ask: 340.88, Bid-ask spread: 1.03000, Last trade: 340.88, 24 hour volume: 10786.32003782, 24 hour low: 332.99, 24 hour high: 343.45, 24 hour vwap: 337.615467196	[20:39]
thickasthieves	this is the tview chat btw https://www.tradingview.com/chat/#bitcoin	[20:40]
assbot	Chat - TradingView	[20:40]
thickasthieves	mp sometimes i wish you used your coins for evil	[20:41]
thickasthieves	like gobbling up whales	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/ZeZGyAty << something tells me that's just the beginning	[20:42]
assbot	bitcoind retardation - Pastebin.com	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves evil is a concept ulterior to mp and whales.	[20:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that something being me, further down in log?	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ahaha word.	[20:42]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2014#903759	[20:43]
assbot	Logged on 30-10-2014 17:54:25; asciilifeform: the other thing is, i'm fairly certain this is not the end of the story:	[20:43]
thickasthieves	well subsititute evil for which ever word permits said action	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	64,000 (112 direct, 63,888 indirect) bytes in 1 blocks are definitely lost in loss record 62 of 77 << this tho	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	how do you lose 64000 exactly ?	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	why, by having an idiotic allocation policy.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	how much of a buggy half implementation of a garbage collector is there in bitcoind ?	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	anyway, those 12 errors look like 6-10 different holes.	[20:44]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's a cpp turd that also depends on similarly buggy cpp turds	[20:45]
asciilifeform	e.g. bdb	[20:45]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: may as well ask that i build a new sarcophagus for chernoble in my amazing! copious! free time.	[20:45]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	and make it snappy.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	also, you can only use chocolate, provided it's ecologically sourced!	[20:46]
asciilifeform	fine soviet chocolate.	[20:46]
asciilifeform	(for n00bs to the subject, ussr never invented erzats chocolate, except towards the very end)	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	"that every man carries an endless, self-replenishing, delicious chocolate factory is simply a matter of perspective" ~ lenin.	[20:47]
asciilifeform	ahaha.	[20:47]
joecool	i figure i'll ask, any of you guys ever built gnupg2 into an initramfs? attempting to use a smartcard for luks	[20:47]
*	asciilifeform is not thrilled with the fact that poroshenko owns most of the remaining supply chain for proper 'soviet' chocolate, and the latter may soon be in short supply	[20:47]
joecool	hitting a wall with pinentry not drawing a pin dialog (using the curses form)... just bails out	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: does anyone know the cause of permanent blockchain wedging in 0.5.3 ? << i am pretty certain it's the bdb locks initialisation issue.	[20:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: those 12 errors look like 6-10 different holes << also please remember that there is no deterministic full-walk test for this turd orchestra.	[20:48]
bounce	what's special about soviet chocolate?	[20:48]
asciilifeform	bounce: everything.	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	bounce he's just in love with one version of "no artificial hydrogenated vegetable fat, not oversugared" chocolate, because grew up on it.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	cuban chocolate is no different.	[20:49]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: bdb locks initialisation issue << my current study suggests malformed txes in the mempool also.	[20:49]
asciilifeform	cuban << by aging soviet-trained confectioners, aha	[20:49]
bounce	so... what is in there? cocoa powder, cocoa butter, some sugar?	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform bdb needs a set_lk_max_locks directive to function properly with larger blocks.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	by default a DB_CONFIG file in bitcoin root fixes the problem.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	bounce temperature treated, yes. like saying "iron, some carbon, some molybdenum" = sword.	[20:51]
asciilifeform	db.cpp: dbenv.set_lk_max_locks(10000);	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	!up indiancandy1	[20:51]
-assbot-	You voiced indiancandy1 for 30 minutes.	[20:51]
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mircea_popescu	hey there desi.	[20:51]
indiancandy1	HI babies	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform moar like 500k.	[20:51]
indiancandy1	how is every1	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	i think the maximal lock count a block may possibly need is somewhere just south of 600k, but i don't have the shithandy.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 lovely! how's your film ?	[20:52]
*	asciilifeform rebuilt, grinding	[20:53]
indiancandy1	all is well darling	[20:54]
indiancandy1	im home	[20:54]
indiancandy1	chilling	[20:54]
indiancandy1	on bed]	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 how do you call an indian in indian btw ?	[20:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: rebuilt with 500,000, same shit.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	hum.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	which block is this ?	[20:55]
indiancandy1	what is a indian in indian	[20:56]
indiancandy1	dont make sense	[20:56]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2014#903730	[20:56]
assbot	Logged on 30-10-2014 17:09:54; asciilifeform: in other news, turd firmly wedged at block height 252450.	[20:56]
indiancandy1	ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh	[20:56]
indiancandy1	i gotchu	[20:56]
indiancandy1	well	[20:56]
indiancandy1	depends right	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[20:56]
indiancandy1	generally	[20:56]
indiancandy1	like punjabi is desi	[20:56]
indiancandy1	you can say apne	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah this is prior to that issue. hm.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 what's "apne", breathless ?	[20:57]
asciilifeform	lol!	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform don't laugh, greeks conquered them too :D	[20:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you want polished turd, buy a girl who knows cpp, 'valgrind', gdb, understands memory discipline, can implement bdb replacement ab initio, knows ecdsa mechanics, etc, etc.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	just for the lulz :	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	namespace Checkpoints {	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	16	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	17 // How many times we expect transactions after the last checkpoint to	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	18 // be slower. This number is a compromise, as it can't be accurate for	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	19 // every system. When reindexing from a fast disk with a slow CPU, it	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	20 // can be up to 20, while when downloading from a slow network with a	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	21 // fast multicore CPU, it won't be much higher than 1.	[20:59]
asciilifeform	ehehe.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	static const double SIGCHECK_VERIFICATION_FACTOR = 5.0;	[21:00]
indiancandy1	it means	[21:00]
indiancandy1	indian	[21:00]
indiancandy1	kind of	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	/ Guess how far we are in the verification process at the given block index	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	39 double GuessVerificationProgress(CBlockIndex *pindex, bool fSigchecks) {	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	etc etc ETFC!	[21:00]
asciilifeform	turd on lathe requires liquid helium refrigerant to stay solid.	[21:00]
indiancandy1	mp wen u comin	[21:00]
asciilifeform	or it splatters instead of chipping	[21:00]
indiancandy1	2 bombay	[21:00]
indiancandy1	2 c me	[21:00]
asciilifeform	He costs around what good whiskey does.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 not in the next five years.	[21:01]
bounce	from a hero to a girl in a few short log lines	[21:02]
asciilifeform	bounce: mircea_popescu only buys gurlz	[21:02]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform anyway, "we" have nfi why 252450 would hang.	[21:03]
ben_vulpes	more lulz	[21:03]
asciilifeform	'hero' would be the fella who submits to carrying out this mission gratis, and can stay alive long enough to chop down a critical mass of foes.	[21:03]
ben_vulpes	// What makes a good checkpoint block?	[21:03]
ben_vulpes	// + Is surrounded by blocks with reasonable timestamps	[21:03]
ben_vulpes	// (no blocks before with a timestamp after, none after with	[21:03]
ben_vulpes	// timestamp before)	[21:03]
ben_vulpes	// + Contains no strange transactions	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes "old for the sake of old" right ?	[21:03]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: no checkpoint there.	[21:04]
*	bounce would starve a bit too soon to take that up, ATM. otherwise have the time.	[21:04]
kakobrekla	i dont even: http://shrani.si/f/3X/cK/1oCpAEBj/spambitbetus.png	[21:04]
ben_vulpes	let's see how this collection plate goes, turdmeisters	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i don't get it ?!	[21:04]
*	asciilifeform hardened skeptic	[21:04]
kakobrekla	idk, 1000 shares sounds a lot	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	so they are going to feed the afrreddit hordes if oyu give them moneyz ?	[21:05]
ben_vulpes	i for one expect nothing.	[21:05]
ben_vulpes	can't disappoint me.	[21:05]
asciilifeform	anything that won't buy a whole man, may as well be nothing.	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes the charter is signed, right ?	[21:06]
ben_vulpes	therealbitcoin.org/charter.html	[21:06]
asciilifeform	perhaps nubbins` can have 'sword in stone' t-shirts printed.	[21:06]
ben_vulpes	verify for yourself.	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	punkman so nao i want to verify things, but i can't, because no bot and i dun recall what the website is ;/	[21:06]
undata	ben_vulpes: nice!	[21:06]
nubbins`	perhaps i'll put it on the cover	[21:06]
indiancandy1	whyyy	[21:06]
ben_vulpes	curl http://therealbitcoin.org/charter-B71EADAF.asc \| gpg --verify	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes okay, jurov appointed ? address published ?	[21:07]
asciilifeform	lol, http://therealbitcoin.org/treasurer_contract.html signed with '1blablablalblbalbalba' ???	[21:07]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: you'll note: not signed.	[21:07]
asciilifeform	aha dead links	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	lulzy tho lol.	[21:07]
ben_vulpes	it's making a point.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	jurov lettuce get this show on the road shall we ?	[21:07]
asciilifeform	fellas, i know, i have sympathy, when i was a boy i wanted to buy an airplane for 100 rubles too.	[21:08]
asciilifeform	and was indignant 'why not!?'	[21:08]
ben_vulpes	undata: yes i'm just so pleased to bite off this chunk of responsibility for no remuneration	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform when I was a boy i actually bought an airplane (ride) for 100 bux.	[21:08]
asciilifeform	ride, aha.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	military tupolev tho.	[21:08]
ben_vulpes	at least this time nobody's asking me what color my trabamborghini will be, or offering me worthless options.	[21:08]
undata	ben_vulpes: glory sometimes requires loss-leading	[21:09]
undata	:p	[21:09]
asciilifeform	heroes - straight to sword, stone.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	this convo's enough to give naggum a second ulcer.	[21:09]
*	asciilifeform working on first ulcer	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	you're too healthy-looking for ulcers	[21:09]
*	asciilifeform will probably get there soonish	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	you'll get gallstones and arthritis.	[21:09]
asciilifeform	where is it written that a fat man can't get ulcer.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	i didn't say fat!	[21:10]
asciilifeform	lol	[21:10]
asciilifeform	military tupolev << lol. my father rode in those for phree.	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	;;google Tu-75	[21:10]
gribble	TU-46 \| Game 2 Play Online - Silvergames.com: ; Tupolev Tu-75 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; TU - 46 \| Miscellaneous Games \| Play Free Games Online at Armor ...:	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	that ?	[21:10]
ben_vulpes	glory? who cares for that.	[21:10]
asciilifeform	well, only catch, have to jump out.	[21:10]
undata	ben_vulpes: yes, acclaim among your peers never helps anything	[21:11]
*	undata readies a WoT rating	[21:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the men called those, affectionately, 'тушка' (little sorry carcass)	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:11]
asciilifeform	well any tu.	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	you know they weren't THAT bad a design.	[21:11]
asciilifeform	who said bad design.	[21:12]
asciilifeform	just rough ride.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	yeah well.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	anyway, those were the days. gasoline + 5 man crew for a day, 100 bux.	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	well, half a day. but they didn't fly wortha shit at night anyway.	[21:13]
asciilifeform	su army was fixated on parachutism, famously, quite like us army is fixated on pilotless flying machines	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	cuz they somehow had bad experience with the german paratroopers	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	tho they were an utter and total waste of resources	[21:15]
mats_cd03	us army is still fixated on parachutism, for no really obviously good reason	[21:15]
mats_cd03	besides test of bravery.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	fwiw, the current us doctrine of "don't put the most valuable part of the plane in the most fragile part of the plane" is sound.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	the driver?	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	ya	[21:16]
bounce	the infrastructure to make that happen isn't cheap and isn't that robust either	[21:16]
mats_cd03	although the 101 airborne was converted to an air mobility unit recently, so theres that.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	if plane could fly w/o ground installations, captive pilot may make sense. as it is, pilot belongs with the airbase not with the plane.	[21:17]
asciilifeform	and anything other than a stone age opponent can blind the machine. or, if usa continues to insist on unsigned control signals, take it home.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so ? make moar.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	the allies didn't win the war by making good tanks.	[21:17]
asciilifeform	make moar << works for su. for usa - no.	[21:17]
mats_cd03	arguably, the allies won the war because of excellent maps and radios	[21:18]
asciilifeform	in usa, 'make moar' would mean that someone has to actually think about cost.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	gtfo, i hear they got 3d printing now and errything.	[21:18]
asciilifeform	ahaha.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	m sorry	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	3d printing TECHNOLOGY	[21:18]
bounce	patenting war to win the patent war	[21:19]
*	asciilifeform envisions patent lawyers dropped by parachute onto hapless infringers	[21:19]
undata	ben_vulpes: oh and protecting your own bitwealth; how bout that one?	[21:19]
*	undata selfishly wants the stripped down daemon for his own experiments	[21:19]
asciilifeform	undata: ru proverb: 'one [man] with a plow, seven with spoons.'	[21:20]
ben_vulpes	ripping usg crud out of the thing is a recipe to endanger any coins i'd have if i were not eating ramen so that the dog might eat	[21:20]
ben_vulpes	and girl	[21:20]
undata	ben_vulpes: at least the dog would kill a guy for you; my girlfriend's cats would just watch	[21:21]
*	asciilifeform misread as 'girlfriend cats'	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	ripping usg crud out of the thing is a recipe to endanger any coins i'd have if i were not eating ramen so that the dog might eat << dude that's touching, srsly.	[21:21]
undata	asciilifeform: don't tell me how to live :D	[21:21]
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mircea_popescu	!up indiancandy1	[21:21]
-assbot-	You voiced indiancandy1 for 30 minutes.	[21:21]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, gotta go, bbl. don't eat each other ye hear!	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	buncha cultists.	[21:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: wherever you're going, check for cpp gurlz.	[21:22]
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nubbins`	ya down with cpp, yeah you know me	[21:22]
asciilifeform	!s down with entropy	[21:23]
assbot	2 results for 'down with entropy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=down+with+entropy	[21:23]
undata	asciilifeform: is there a new client mailling list yet?	[21:24]
undata	*mailing	[21:24]
asciilifeform	undata: jurov had something quasi-working	[21:24]
undata	jurov: where to?	[21:24]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev	[21:24]
nubbins`	he's busy generating a treasury address by hand	[21:24]
asciilifeform	lolesury	[21:24]
ben_vulpes	http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev	[21:25]
nubbins`	sweet	[21:26]
undata	ben_vulpes: wonderful; thanks!	[21:27]
ben_vulpes	why thread does not show the same as date and author is a mystery to me.	[21:27]
asciilifeform	because it's b0rken?	[21:28]
*	buytoshi is now known as selltoshi	[21:28]
ben_vulpes	reasonable.	[21:28]
ben_vulpes	source of breakage, also a mystery.	[21:29]
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nubbins`	ah! finally got chickensoupd build	[21:32]
nubbins`	*built	[21:32]
*	nubbins` toots own horn	[21:32]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: now you too can watch it wedge.	[21:33]
*	nubbins` claps	[21:33]
nubbins`	!s wedge	[21:39]
assbot	29 results for 'wedge' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=wedge	[21:39]
nubbins`	252450	[21:39]
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ben_vulpes	the notes on bdb lock size are hilarious	[21:44]
ben_vulpes	"just try a bunch of different numbers until you find one that works"	[21:44]
kakobrekla	a good rng will aid the process.	[21:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00080264 = 30.0589 BTC [+] {2}	[21:49]
BingoBoingo	adlai: bounce: so you could theoretically "chemically print" the composition of any drink, medicine, poison, drug, explosive, etc << Very hard problem when you want to print anything protein	[22:04]
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BingoBoingo	https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net#!states << It's like a map of #b-a Usians	[22:07]
assbot	Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast	[22:07]
BingoBoingo	Except who the fuck is in New York?	[22:07]
undata	in my case this will be where my VM is	[22:09]
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asciilifeform	who the fuck is in New York << afaik most of 'verizon' ends up 'new york'	[22:11]
asciilifeform	incl. my fiber	[22:11]
BingoBoingo	thickasthieves: pankkake says .9 is where it's at << My 0.8.x node I run is rather low on memory consumption, runs with full txindex	[22:13]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: these die during initial blockchain pumping	[22:13]
asciilifeform	why am i even telling this, go run it	[22:13]
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BingoBoingo	I know. New ones exchange dying for a crawl during initial indexing instead.	[22:14]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: also see today's log, for why this is probably a doomed march	[22:14]
BingoBoingo	I'm still catching up to there	[22:15]
asciilifeform	!s sword stone	[22:15]
assbot	9 results for 'sword stone' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sword+stone	[22:15]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2014#903782 and below.	[22:16]
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assbot	Logged on 30-10-2014 18:08:51; asciilifeform: attn turdmasters:	[22:16]
undata	asciilifeform: "this" being code review?	[22:16]
asciilifeform	undata: 'this' being the overall affair of transmuting the 0.5.3 turd into a usable weapon	[22:16]
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undata	asciilifeform: perhaps the wealthier among us have reason to offer bounties	[22:17]
*	assbot gives voice to chetty	[22:17]
chetty	I would go after that sword if eulora wasn't in the way	[22:18]
asciilifeform	undata: afaik mircea_popescu doesn't actually need the weapon - already has own	[22:18]
BingoBoingo	Ah. asciilifeform So a solution is raising soldering irons to get weaponized bitcoind from pool ops	[22:18]
undata	asciilifeform: what's the point of not distributing it then?	[22:19]
undata	his	[22:19]
asciilifeform	undata: ask him - not me	[22:19]
undata	mircea_popescu: ^	[22:19]
asciilifeform	he made it clear that didn't want to, why pester the man	[22:19]
undata	because I have an unanswered question.	[22:20]
BingoBoingo	undata: What is the use of releasing the chamber curve diagrams of an effective nuke?	[22:20]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2014#893903	[22:20]
assbot	Logged on 24-10-2014 20:24:45; mircea_popescu: maybe once it's over in the sense of, we're all drunk in the retirement home.	[22:20]
chetty	curiosity killed the cat	[22:20]
asciilifeform	perhaps his only runs on gurlz with arithmometers, how the fuck would i know	[22:21]
undata	it's a bit difficult to steer the direction of a decentralized network with no offering.	[22:21]
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undata	BingoBoingo: justify the aptness of the metaphor first.	[22:24]
asciilifeform	i will answer the secret question which i can answer. 1) i personally can't pay rent with btc without giving up every other one to usg. 2) cost of extrication from gravity well is inconceivably high. 3) no one crowned me hero to begin with, why even ask.	[22:24]
undata	if there's an existing stripped down client the deturdification process is a waste of time	[22:24]
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BingoBoingo	undata: Alright. Spz you're a Jew in olden times coming onto the battlefield with your nifty bronze sword. Now the Assyrians emerge from the horizon, but instead of bronze they have Iron!	[22:26]
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undata	BingoBoingo: that metaphor has no resemblance to what does and does not benefit the functioning of a decentralized network	[22:27]
undata	I'm not going to bother.	[22:27]
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asciilifeform	undata: http://explo.yt/post/2014/10/29/some-dangerous-idea << i just wanted a fcking book.	[22:27]
assbot	A dangerous idea - serialized delusions	[22:27]
asciilifeform	^ jurov's chronicle	[22:27]
asciilifeform	but 1) i'm not interested in a book with gavin's excretions 2) not interested in a book describing system which does not work on battlefield.	[22:28]
undata	asciilifeform: yep I was around for that convo	[22:29]
asciilifeform	undata: so you know. boat - has no motor.	[22:29]
asciilifeform	no sails, no oars.	[22:30]
asciilifeform	just sorta, vaguely, floats.	[22:30]
undata	if only there were some way to organize the efforts of a large number of people around projects	[22:30]
undata	:p	[22:30]
undata	some kind of open process of producing source code	[22:30]
asciilifeform	undata: result - gavin.	[22:30]
asciilifeform	openssl.	[22:31]
asciilifeform	enjoy	[22:31]
undata	asciilifeform: see: libressl	[22:31]
asciilifeform	turd sans scatole is still turd.	[22:31]
undata	everything is shit but the speaker	[22:32]
asciilifeform	hero? straight to sword.	[22:32]
undata	reasoning by metaphor has its strengths and weaknesses	[22:33]
asciilifeform	i would love to see it proven that what i've said is a load o'shit.	[22:34]
undata	receiving money isn't the only way to invest in your own goals	[22:35]
undata	I need a programmable, robust client for my own applications	[22:35]
asciilifeform	the idependantly wealthy - straight to sword.	[22:36]
BingoBoingo	undata: Well, avoiding starvation and the sword are obstacles on the road to goals.	[22:36]
undata	oh please	[22:36]
undata	you don't have 5 hours a week?	[22:36]
undata	I do.	[22:36]
asciilifeform	I need a << i need an airplane	[22:36]
undata	there's an absurd orthodoxy around here	[22:36]
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BingoBoingo	What absurd orthodoxy?	[22:36]
asciilifeform	undata: the orthodoxy wants to be proven wrong. don't wait! fire.	[22:36]
undata	there's ample evidence in the market that one can reduce cost and increase quality by open sourcing the things not directly in your moneymaking pipeline	[22:37]
undata	I'm not going to argue the merits of open source	[22:37]
undata	you people are all on linux or bsd	[22:38]
asciilifeform	undata: this is how we got the extant bitcoind. if you like it - you know where to find it	[22:38]
*	BingoBoingo wonders about serious matters such as will Cardano prototype factory make the eventual loper prototype	[22:38]
ben_vulpes	why am i even telling this, go run it << sir you are a gift to the logs	[22:38]
undata	asciilifeform: that is a problem of the artists and not painting	[22:38]
asciilifeform	undata: yes, we know the ru/jewish saying 'the bad dancer is hindered only by his arse.' this should be seen as an invitation to the good dancers.	[22:39]
undata	asciilifeform: where's the source	[22:39]
undata	stock 0.5.3 still?	[22:39]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: that is a problem of the artists and not painting << No, this is a problem of no one fucking reading and the world burning because the entire stacks sucks because unread. Worked until it didn't	[22:39]
asciilifeform	'плохому танцору яйца мешают'	[22:39]
undata	BingoBoingo: lets do nothing then	[22:39]
undata	life is too challenging	[22:39]
BingoBoingo	undata: No, you do things. You just have to understand the obstacles as you make your cue.	[22:40]
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asciilifeform	undata: http://therealbitcoin.org contains origin tree. 'chicken' lists the remaining files after first trim. rm_... is ben_vulpes's patch;	[22:41]
undata	how was the 0.5.3 choice made?	[22:41]
undata	reasoning by metaphor or an actual assessment?	[22:41]
asciilifeform	undata: read log	[22:41]
undata	I was here.	[22:41]
undata	I want your opinion.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	undata: earliest (lightest-weight, least lines of gavin) version that is known to be compatible with the extant net.	[22:42]
undata	there are myriad bugfixes that will need to be backported	[22:42]
asciilifeform	undata: yes.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin-asciilifeform.2-https_snipsnip.tar.gz , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin-asciilifeform.3-turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz , http://loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin-asciilifeform.4-goodbye-win32.tar.gz	[22:43]
asciilifeform	^ other patches thus far	[22:43]
asciilifeform	signed by yours truly	[22:43]
asciilifeform	no one, yet, saw it fit to comment at length on them	[22:43]
ben_vulpes	hashtag asciilifeform patch collection	[22:43]
ben_vulpes	hashtag asciilifeform patch collection october	[22:43]
ben_vulpes	sweet. i can now custom index logs.	[22:44]
undata	I didn't initiate this thing; ben_vulpes do you have a desired process?	[22:44]
ben_vulpes	grab those patches, review, add sig if you want to put your ass on the line.	[22:44]
ben_vulpes	preferrably, build.	[22:44]
*	BingoBoingo wonders if there is anyone with more projects on their public plate than alf...	[22:44]
undata	what are the standards for "this goes"	[22:44]
asciilifeform	undata: i sorta initiated this thing, by pure accident.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	undata: but i have very little to do with it otherwise...	[22:45]
ben_vulpes	undata: we're currently blocked on a mailing list thinger that may or may not see the light of day anytime soon	[22:45]
ben_vulpes	i halfway think the gpg signature turdatron blocking merges and discussion needs to be nuked and implemented by some eager beaver later	[22:45]
undata	ben_vulpes: I'll just start a local git repo with stock 0.5.3, add your existing patches, and look into backporting a fix	[22:45]
asciilifeform	undata: standards << ben_vulpes and mod6 started, at instigation of mircea_popescu, a 'foundation', where somebody (them?) will sit as mergemaster	[22:45]
undata	process to submit is patch with signature?	[22:45]
asciilifeform	and decide what stays, what goes	[22:45]
asciilifeform	submit patch with signature, yes	[22:45]
asciilifeform	if you approve of another fellow's patch after honest study of it - you sign it as well	[22:46]
undata	alright. I'll take a look at it saturday.	[22:46]
ben_vulpes	if i don't have a thing going on on saturday we could even go so far as to pair	[22:46]
undata	ben_vulpes: k	[22:46]
asciilifeform	pair?	[22:46]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: share physical space, look at code as a...	[22:47]
asciilifeform	aha you're neighbours?	[22:47]
ben_vulpes	aye	[22:47]
ben_vulpes	dark mirror images of each other in some aspects	[22:47]
ben_vulpes	he - software as a service	[22:48]
ben_vulpes	i - software services	[22:48]
undata	different enough to be enjoyable	[22:48]
undata	this sounds fun	[22:48]
ben_vulpes	both starving big zone kulaks	[22:48]
BingoBoingo	lies ben_vulpes, you do service as a software	[22:48]
undata	ha not bad ^	[22:48]
ben_vulpes	am software	[22:49]
ben_vulpes	will serve	[22:49]
asciilifeform	in my patches, thus far, nothing truly earth-shaking, just a surgical removal of what i consider clearly poisonous	[22:49]
undata	roughly... flamethrower, bandaids, minimal socket API?	[22:49]
asciilifeform	didn't even touch api	[22:50]
asciilifeform	that requires actual replacement	[22:50]
undata	that can be a later discussion	[22:50]
asciilifeform	or you have a machine with no steering wheel	[22:50]
undata	but poking the thing is desirable	[22:50]
asciilifeform	me - i don't want jsonism in my book.	[22:50]
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undata	asciilifeform: hear hear	[22:50]
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asciilifeform	my next patch was going to be a removal of the magic strings (seed ip table, etc) and replacement with ascii configs, as suggested by mircea_popescu.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	but now i don't see this thing as going anywhere	[22:51]
undata	asciilifeform: oh come on, at least give it two weeks before utter failure	[22:52]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform issues challenge now.	[22:52]
undata	:)	[22:52]
ben_vulpes	classic russian fatalism	[22:52]
asciilifeform	the bare naked minimum worthy of nubbins` book, is a gadget that functions, reliably, on current network	[22:52]
asciilifeform	with no weird 'now please delete blkindex' crud	[22:52]
asciilifeform	and no runaway memleaks	[22:53]
asciilifeform	the more gavin removal, likewise, the better	[22:53]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform wants valground turd and...what is this 'delete blkindex'?	[22:53]
asciilifeform	^ someone suggested this as a 'fix' for wedged blockchain load	[22:53]
asciilifeform	this is not tolerable.	[22:53]
ben_vulpes	what about bdb lock config?	[22:54]
asciilifeform	had no effect.	[22:54]
asciilifeform	why take my word for it - try it.	[22:54]
asciilifeform	do i need to explain why i asked for the book?	[22:54]
asciilifeform	or is it obvious to alert reader.	[22:55]
undata	asciilifeform: books fit in brains?	[22:55]
asciilifeform	not magically, no	[22:55]
undata	good outer bound though.	[22:55]
thickasthieves	so he can go to forest and see if it's broken	[22:55]
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asciilifeform	so, in peacetime, if i live that long, i can take it to forest and write a 'popescuan' replacement.	[22:55]
asciilifeform	or if not i - one of you.	[22:56]
mats_cd03	such drama.	[22:56]
asciilifeform	right now we can't even make drama, the actors are drunk and spewing over the stage	[22:56]
mats_cd03	asciilifeform fears for his life, but won't flee to save it.	[22:56]
*	asciilifeform spews	[22:56]
mats_cd03	what is this.	[22:56]
undata	disagreement is good for you	[22:56]
asciilifeform	flee - need diamonds for schindler's train.	[22:56]
mats_cd03	a game of catching the falling knife?	[22:56]
undata	someone should write a book of #ba metaphors	[22:57]
undata	speaking of books.	[22:57]
ben_vulpes	;;google trilema variety speak	[22:58]
gribble	You're gonna have to learn that variety speak pe Trilema - Un blog ...: ; #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Pro idiotas, which obviously means, people who have ... - Trilema:	[22:58]
thickasthieves	undata this is sorta started in the b-a wiki, which anyone with voice can add to probly	[22:59]
asciilifeform	the mostly-empty wiki?	[22:59]
thickasthieves	maybe the foundation should take it over	[22:59]
ben_vulpes	nope	[22:59]
thickasthieves	hehe	[23:00]
ben_vulpes	get outta heah!	[23:00]
undata	I'll just grind out code and leave the speak to the pros	[23:01]
asciilifeform	undata: might want to investigate why the original does not, in fact, work.	[23:01]
asciilifeform	before adding code.	[23:01]
undata	asciilifeform: exercise to reader eh?	[23:02]
asciilifeform	(rampant memory leakage is not 'works')	[23:02]
undata	the grinding out code was a general statement of what I value	[23:02]
undata	talk is not a product	[23:02]
asciilifeform	straight to sword then.	[23:02]
*	undata cuts the knot in half	[23:03]
undata	asciilifeform: were we not talking about the kelvin way of versioning code?	[23:05]
undata	the same value applies to communication.	[23:06]
undata	I can send you a disassembled rube goldberg machine every time I open my mouth	[23:07]
undata	and we can get nowhere	[23:07]
undata	or we can get to the point and get something done	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	have at, undata	[23:07]
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BingoBoingo	!up chrysalus	[23:08]
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BingoBoingo	!up PeterL	[23:08]
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BingoBoingo	!up Squidward	[23:09]
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Squidward	im squidward	[23:09]
BingoBoingo	WTF does that mean?	[23:09]
BingoBoingo	!down Squidward	[23:09]
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cazalla	BingoBoingo, it's up now https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/10/the-next-chapter/	[23:11]
assbot	The Next Chapter \| The Bitcoin Foundation	[23:11]
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nubbins`	lel	[23:13]
ben_vulpes	glhf	[23:16]
PeterL	question: my scoopbot dumps links from posts into the chan, should I ask to have assbot ignore it or provide the title of each link?	[23:20]
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BingoBoingo	Fucking white people http://valleywag.gawker.com/heres-what-the-mission-riots-looked-like-after-the-gian-1652846299/+tcraggs22	[23:22]
assbot	Here's What the Mission Riots Looked Like After the Giants' Victory	[23:22]
bounce	so, the guy that's going to actively support unleashing lots of onerous gov't regulation on this bitcoin thing is now executive director of the bitcoin foundation	[23:22]
bounce	did I get that about right?	[23:22]
BingoBoingo	bounce: Well, executive director of the CoinLab Foundation for the promotion of scams and Redditurds	[23:23]
undata	"Fuck techies" << to the ovens with you	[23:23]
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BingoBoingo	!up scoopbot	[23:31]
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thestringpuller	reddit is full with turds	[23:45]
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gernika	undata to the ovens with techies?	[23:48]
undata	incorrect	[23:50]
undata	ben_vulpes: where is db_cxx.h on OS X?	[23:50]
ben_vulpes	os x what now?	[23:51]
ben_vulpes	the -assets build is realnix only	[23:51]
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undata	ben_vulpes: statement behind the question is 95% of this build crap can go	[23:52]
undata	if that's so	[23:52]
undata	stating the obvious	[23:52]
ben_vulpes	take a look at the first patch on therealbitcoin.org	[23:53]
ben_vulpes	that has a manifest you'll find useful.	[23:53]
cazalla	my god this hag of a wife, god must be punishing by introducing her to me before bitcoin	[23:55]
mats_cd03	:(	[23:55]
ben_vulpes	lol popped one out and became intolerable?	[23:55]
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cazalla	you got it ben_vulpes	[23:56]
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