Forum logs for 30 Jan 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
danielpbarron ;;later tell girevik you're rating in the wrong WoT! [00:05]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00041426 = 24.5242 BTC [-] {2} [00:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46458 @ 0.00042063 = 19.5416 BTC [+] {2} [00:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20051 @ 0.00042889 = 8.5997 BTC [+] {2} [00:42]
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mircea_popescu ahhh lomito de cordero &trumpeter malbec [00:50]
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mircea_popescu felipelalli [00:52]
assbot The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [00:52]
mircea_popescu felipelalli: asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :) <<< mmm win :D [00:54]
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mircea_popescu shit mike_c beats me by like hours. [00:55]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: ^for the non-romanian-speaking poker players among us << sheeit check that out [00:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00041314 = 11.0102 BTC [-] [01:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00041213 = 5.3371 BTC [-] {3} [01:24]
mats brown-147.pdf << where is your republic now? [01:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37792 @ 0.00041129 = 15.5435 BTC [-] {2} [01:34]
scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [01:35]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'Явка с повинной облегчает совесть и удлиняет срок.' (ru. jailhouse proverb: 'a guilty plea lightens your conscience and lengthens your sentence.') [01:37]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That's really all it seems like except for those who accept a side of pederastry as they plea [01:38]
BingoBoingo [01:39]
assbot ryancarnated comments on Ryan X. Charles on Twitter: "I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable." ... ( ) [01:39]
danielpbarron BingoBoingo, "The get hit with just under a million dollars" s/The/Then/c [01:40]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: fxd, thx [01:41]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But in American popular culture there is a carefully groomed myth through all kinds of fictitious media that in criminal proceedings a plea always results in some form of mercy from the courts when all it does is keep the cattle line moving through the feedlot. [01:46]
danielpbarron !rated metsuno [01:49]
assbot metsuno is not registered in WoT. [01:50]
danielpbarron !up metsuno [01:50]
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danielpbarron hi metsuno [01:51]
metsuno Hi Daniel [01:51]
metsuno The constant openness of this channel, and everyone on it, freightens me slightly. [01:52]
danielpbarron heh [01:52]
danielpbarron good [01:52]
metsuno Why don't I see more pseudonymity here? [01:53]
danielpbarron what is that? [01:54]
danielpbarron anonymity is counter to the purposes of the WoT, although a user does not need to link their key to their slave name [01:54]
metsuno anonymity != pseudonymity [01:55]
metsuno oh [01:55]
metsuno I didn't read it that carefully [01:55]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski: [01:57]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:57]
assbot How to be good at poker pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:57]
mircea_popescu The constant openness of this channel, and everyone on it, freightens me slightly. << so it should. [01:57]
mircea_popescu we are the eaters of worlds. [01:57]
mircea_popescu jurov: any canadian around here pls - are corporations' annual reports public? and where? << if listed as a stock yes. if not, no. [01:58]
mircea_popescu mike_c: or anywhere else afaik. << [02:00]
assbot SC POLIMEDIA SRL din Dumbravita Str. Szentes 7a, CUI 22530016 ... ( ) [02:00]
metsuno What does it feel like to be the eaters of worlds? [02:01]
BingoBoingo It isn't so bad, but you need to keep antacid tablets on you. The last thing you want is world induced dyspepsia affecting your composure. [02:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00041111 = 1.9733 BTC [-] [02:04]
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danielpbarron BingoBoingo, "Had he lost at trial in the worst way one every count and received" s/one/won/c [02:07]
BingoBoingo fxd thx [02:08]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [02:12]
asciilifeform so!!! [02:13]
asciilifeform i just began live-fire test of the first really dangerous patch [02:13]
asciilifeform for therealbitcoin [02:13]
asciilifeform a backport of the orphan trimming mechanism. [02:13]
BingoBoingo Good luck [02:16]
asciilifeform even if it works, it will need serious review [02:17]
asciilifeform by folks who actually understand what they are doing. [02:17]
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BingoBoingo !up metsuno [02:20]
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danielpbarron metsuno, get in that WoT so i can rate you! [02:22]
metsuno Thanks BingoBoingo [02:22]
danielpbarron and who were you btw, forgive me i can't recall who you were [02:22]
metsuno I'm need to muck around with my os first though [02:22]
danielpbarron it's been a while since porcfest [02:22]
metsuno we had a very lenghty discussion about bitcoin. you told me about the awesomeness of openbsd. i helped you pretend-assassinate that guy. [02:23]
danielpbarron ohhh cool that's who i thought [02:23]
danielpbarron that assassin thing was the best part of the whole week, besides poker of course [02:25]
metsuno it was an interesting adventure. that's for sure. [02:26]
danielpbarron are you going to the next one? I'm planning on it [02:27]
danielpbarron hopefully with a box full of cardanos and a qntra press pass [02:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im not so sure this is a good idea. [02:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a test. [02:28]
mircea_popescu "a test" [02:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: quite certainly not meant to go in the tree under any circumstances. [02:29]
asciilifeform test of hypothesis. [02:29]
asciilifeform it runs [02:29]
asciilifeform but i very much did not like what i had to do to get it to build. [02:30]
metsuno danielpbarron, I'm definitely going. [02:30]
asciilifeform i will describe the algorithm here. [02:31]
asciilifeform (as found in the enemy code) [02:31]
asciilifeform what they did is to set a limit (default == 750) of 'orphan blocks' (terribly confusing term, nothing whatsoever to do with orphaned chains) [02:32]
asciilifeform and when the limit is reached, one is picked for eviction from the cache [02:32]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell phillipsjk "run into the ground" ? lay off the pipe, man. you don't have enough disposable income to cover my harem's feminine hygiene products bill. [02:33]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:33]
asciilifeform but if it has antecedents, the chain of those is followed to the end and the terminus is dropped. [02:33]
mircea_popescu a collection of yous is going to run exactly noting into exactly nothing. [02:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform as i said before, it's a kudge to fix another kludge. we don't really wnat any of it. [02:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you can't even begin to fathom how true this is [02:34]
asciilifeform (unless you read the bugger) [02:34]
asciilifeform the question does remain, however - what is to be done with toy node [02:34]
mircea_popescu you know the joke with the shitting jews ? [02:35]
asciilifeform ? [02:35]
mircea_popescu two jews shitting in adjoining stalls. [02:35]
mircea_popescu "hey, do you suppose this is work ?" [02:35]
mircea_popescu "nah. if it were, we'd be paying someone to do it for us." [02:35]
asciilifeform lol! [02:35]
mircea_popescu anyway. "what is to be done" re what ? [02:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it can't fly with as it presently lives. [02:36]
mircea_popescu and you know this how ? [02:36]
asciilifeform strong empirical data [02:36]
mircea_popescu be specific. [02:36]
asciilifeform oomkill every 20 min. or so [02:36]
mircea_popescu so ? [02:36]
mircea_popescu once it takes > 10 mins / block i'll care. [02:36]
asciilifeform eventually db will be corrupted (may already be silently corrupt?) [02:36]
mircea_popescu it'll be fine. [02:37]
asciilifeform see observations of ben_vulpes re: above [02:37]
mircea_popescu trust in your t-34 with non-interchangeable parts and random fabrication defects [02:37]
asciilifeform other thing is, it's quadratic. [02:37]
mircea_popescu it won a great patriotic war. [02:37]
mircea_popescu look, let it run first. [02:37]
asciilifeform every time the thing reboots, the longer the chain, the longer the re-init. [02:37]
mircea_popescu let it run to where it takes > 10 minutes / block. [02:38]
asciilifeform there's another aspect to it [02:38]
asciilifeform the behaviour of the thing during death is by no means well-defined [02:38]
mircea_popescu right. [02:38]
asciilifeform not merely concerning the db [02:38]
asciilifeform but if node is being used 'in anger' [02:38]
mircea_popescu welcome the filth that is practical bitcoin into your heart, ascii [02:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3170 @ 0.00091997 = 2.9163 BTC [+] {3} [02:39]
asciilifeform enemy will search far and wide for stories of one of these things catastrophically losing [02:39]
asciilifeform and if can't find, will create plausible scene. [02:40]
mircea_popescu so ? [02:40]
mircea_popescu enemy can not beat 12 dolla. [02:40]
asciilifeform he will say 'mine is $0, runs on your winblows pc' [02:41]
mircea_popescu we're upstream. enemy wants to kill bitpay, it can start a forkwar with me. enemy wants to convince people "bitcoin sucks", it can "create plausible scenes" [02:41]
mircea_popescu yaya. [02:41]
asciilifeform just pointing out that it may prove tricky to convince folks that a node which is, de facto, 7/8th duty cycle or worse, is a good thing [02:42]
asciilifeform likewise, the orphans thing is an easy ddos vector [02:42]
asciilifeform any moron can connect to one of our boxes and take a steaming shit in it [02:43]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo << is this guy from a parallel universe or wtf. [02:43]
asciilifeform insta-zap. [02:43]
assbot How to become a good poker player, translated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [02:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform 12 dollars. [02:43]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Opiates are not barbiturate, and heroin withdrawal indeed often only makes people wish they were dying. [02:44]
asciilifeform 12 dollars for a box that can be driven off the net by blowing on it [02:44]
mircea_popescu i never heard of an "alcohol addict" dead for no alcohol. [02:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you have to keep blowing. [02:45]
BingoBoingo barbiturate withdrawals, benzodiazepine withdrawals and alcohols withdrawls, potentially deadly "Delerium Tremens" [02:45]
mircea_popescu delirium tremens is hardly that ffs. [02:45]
asciilifeform the 'naturally-occurring' nodes supply most of the wind [02:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is also very easy to squish a cockroach. [02:45]
mircea_popescu atmosphere already supplies most of the squishing. [02:46]
asciilifeform lol [02:46]
asciilifeform haha, it finally croaked [02:47]
asciilifeform 750 was a bit much. [02:47]
* asciilifeform puts the traditional turd back on [02:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform to be clear, did you stop the original thing again to run a something else ? [02:47]
asciilifeform yes [02:47]
mircea_popescu yeah srsly, just buy another box if you can't stop fucking with it [02:47]
mircea_popescu and let the thing just run unmolested. [02:47]
asciilifeform 2nd box came finally. [02:47]
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mircea_popescu decimation: why don't these kind of people with a brain just leave the country? <<< i dunno decimation. why don't they ? [02:50]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: if you were planning to kill someone, would you helpfully tell him first ? << that's not the point. in a normal society, the threat is a fundamental tool to hierarchy building. [02:53]
asciilifeform -credible- thread. [02:53]
asciilifeform *threat [02:54]
mircea_popescu the socialist state does not want a normally functioning society, but instead this stellar configuration where the state is at the center, [02:54]
mircea_popescu and every citizen linked to it to the detriment of all else. [02:54]
mircea_popescu no, not credible. a threat at all. [02:54]
mircea_popescu it works on fundamental structures of the hominid brain, much like flirting makes the girl wet. [02:54]
mircea_popescu which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums. [02:55]
asciilifeform this is a very sharp observation, but is it unique to the modern state? [02:55]
mircea_popescu well, that quickly gets iffy. [02:55]
asciilifeform what of ancient despotisms, with the public impaler, etc. - did not want to be at the stellar configuration center ? [02:56]
mircea_popescu nah, no mechanised ways to handle it, [02:56]
mircea_popescu the computer has a lot to do with this, it's a quantum leap in the possibilities of bureaucracy. [02:56]
asciilifeform the khan rides from town to town, has squad in tow with stake [02:56]
asciilifeform or, ivan iv, with cauldrons/oil [02:56]
asciilifeform worked beautifully [02:56]
mircea_popescu if it worked, more by accident than anything. [02:57]
mircea_popescu think of it this way : most russian peasants as late as 1800 had never seen the czar. [02:57]
mircea_popescu every last us residing cockroach has seen obama THIS WEEK [02:57]
asciilifeform well yes [02:57]
mircea_popescu well then. [02:57]
asciilifeform but the basic dread of the state, by peasant, is similar [02:57]
mircea_popescu no. [02:58]
mircea_popescu the peasant did not fear the czar will come and fuck his daughter. [02:58]
mircea_popescu the peasant loved the czar specifically for this reason. [02:58]
asciilifeform more of a 'good cop / bad cop' symbiosis b/w king and next level of org chart down [02:59]
ben_vulpes good evening! [02:59]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes! [02:59]
ben_vulpes hello sir! [02:59]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform how are you? [02:59]
asciilifeform feeling very much dirtied by the dirt [02:59]
asciilifeform see log. [02:59]
ben_vulpes it is so very filthy [02:59]
mircea_popescu there's some lovely mud down here! [03:00]
ben_vulpes console yourself with the reality that life is a filthy entropic process [03:00]
ben_vulpes wallo! [03:00]
ben_vulpes wallow*! [03:00]
asciilifeform the one takeaway is that the cause of oomkill damnation in 0.5.3 can no longer be regarded as mysterious [03:00]
mircea_popescu or with the thought that you were never filthier than the day you were born. [03:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform causes. [03:00]
asciilifeform aha [03:00]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: dunno i think i've been covered in both more shit and more blood than on that day [03:00]
mats kakobrekla: where can i find information on bitbet api? [03:01]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: orphans pool? [03:01]
asciilifeform identifiable crock o'shit; arguably an advance over the entirely enigmatic sort [03:01]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aha. [03:01]
ben_vulpes [] i'll say more later << tenterhooks am i on [03:01]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes as a body % ? [03:02]
kakobrekla there is an api? [03:02]
ben_vulpes absolute terms [03:02]
mircea_popescu absolutism's for the birds. [03:03]
ben_vulpes [] ^ condemned to pay infinite fine, and to use only microshit << i don't see the m$ requirement [03:03]
ben_vulpes you're a bird! [03:03]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla was there some json ? [03:03]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: pgs. 4-5 [03:03]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: implicit. [03:03]
kakobrekla well that hardly counts as api [03:03]
mircea_popescu yes but what were they ? [03:03]
ben_vulpes and that hardly counts as a requirement [03:03]
kakobrekla mats try adding "?json" at end of url and see if anything happens [03:03]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the wretch was ordered to use only systems fully compatible with traditional usg spyware used on such occasions [03:04]
mircea_popescu mats and on top of that, you can reuse addresses for as long as the bet didn't close. [03:04]
ben_vulpes anyways, mircea_popescu, relativism is for the birds. [03:04]
mircea_popescu no quantum computing for you. copme back, 1????????? year [03:04]
mats cool. rewriting the code for bitbet audit so it'll be worthy of publication this year. [03:05]
mats makes me expendable, but hey. [03:05]
ben_vulpes ben_vulpes: aha. << am i on the right track or did i skim logs in too light of detail [03:05]
ben_vulpes mats: today you automate, tomorrow you order the automation [03:06]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: [03:06]
assbot Logged on 30-01-2015 05:09:29; asciilifeform: i just began live-fire test of the first really dangerous patch [03:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.0009242 = 1.3863 BTC [+] {3} [03:06]
ben_vulpes oh fuck yes [03:06]
kakobrekla mats if you plan on hitting bb hard which i dont mind i suggest i add your ip to whitelist [03:06]
ben_vulpes << danielpbarron i require details of this assasination [03:06]
assbot Logged on 30-01-2015 05:21:43; danielpbarron: that assassin thing was the best part of the whole week, besides poker of course [03:06]
ben_vulpes << constant refrain in fiatcorp: "no billing for poops! this isn't accenture." [03:07]
assbot Logged on 30-01-2015 05:31:31; mircea_popescu: "hey, do you suppose this is work ?" [03:07]
mircea_popescu only 554 lines ? by 6am ? WTF SRSLY GUISE [03:08]
ben_vulpes yeah i can sort of almost keep up even with my mom coming over with multiple bottles of bubbles [03:08]
ben_vulpes it's pathetic i tell ya [03:09]
mats kakobrekla: nah, you won't even notice it [03:09]
kakobrekla i certainly wont, but you might. anyway, i go. [03:09]
ben_vulpes << for srs, asciilifeform. you'll want proofs of correctness and haskell-grade type systems next. [03:09]
assbot Logged on 30-01-2015 05:35:15; mircea_popescu: welcome the filth that is practical bitcoin into your heart, ascii [03:09]
mats thanks. [03:09]
ben_vulpes anyways asciilifeform how does the backported orphan-pruning situation handle the full tree? [03:12]
ben_vulpes omg it strikes me that there isn't a blocktree visualizer that i'm aware of [03:13]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the 'orphan blocks' in question have nothing whatsoever to do with the usual definition [03:13]
ben_vulpes what praytell then are they? [03:13]
asciilifeform they are simply blocks received hopelessly out of order [03:13]
ben_vulpes [] felipelalli: asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :) <<< mmm win :D << once again i get no credit for the setup [03:13]
* ben_vulpes throws up his hands [03:13]
asciilifeform that is, anything that sails in for which you don't have an immediate ancestory [03:13]
asciilifeform *ancestor [03:13]
ben_vulpes right [03:13]
ben_vulpes should blockchain dl be performed sequentially? [03:14]
asciilifeform you can't do anything with them, except a) discard b) store in hope of gluing the chain together later [03:14]
asciilifeform classical bitcoind is all (b) and no (a) [03:14]
asciilifeform never, ever (a) [03:14]
asciilifeform thus it is doomed to die after snarfing up sufficiently many of these. [03:14]
ben_vulpes i guess the subquestion would be is b) even practical [03:14]
ben_vulpes doomed << well, question answered [03:15]
asciilifeform so it isn't a memory leak in the traditional sense [03:15]
ben_vulpes okay but to play devils advocate for a moment theoy could be dumped into the db were it used sanely [03:15]
ben_vulpes they* [03:15]
asciilifeform merely toilet that is never flushed, but continuously shat in [03:15]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if you store these, anywhere, you set yourself up for shitburial [03:15]
ben_vulpes you and your poo metaphors [03:15]
asciilifeform since by definition there is no way to verify these blocks [03:15]
asciilifeform lacking an antecedent [03:16]
asciilifeform dr. evil can come and feed you until you burst. [03:16]
ben_vulpes no, i get it [03:16]
ben_vulpes i also appreciate your willingness to beat sense into my skull. [03:16]
asciilifeform and if, presently, 'burst' just means oomkill, [03:16]
asciilifeform if disk is involved he can now have you grind to a permanent halt [03:16]
ben_vulpes jesus fuck leave it as an exercise for once [03:17]
asciilifeform lol [03:17]
BingoBoingo !b 1 [03:18]
assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [03:18]
BingoBoingo Too many lulz to number right [03:18]
ben_vulpes [] mike_c: or anywhere else afaik. << << well that's damned interesting [03:19]
assbot SC POLIMEDIA SRL din Dumbravita Str. Szentes 7a, CUI 22530016 ... ( ) [03:19]
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ben_vulpes [] asciilifeform as i said before, it's a kudge to fix another kludge. we don't really wnat any of it. << what was the first kludge? [03:25]
asciilifeform 'inv' [03:25]
asciilifeform i.e. nodes barf blocks at one another without any real logic [03:26]
asciilifeform mr s. did not know 'gossip protocol'. [03:26]
asciilifeform did not like mathematics. [03:26]
ben_vulpes hm. [03:27]
ben_vulpes yeah, that's a steamer. [03:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28464 @ 0.00041111 = 11.7018 BTC [-] [03:30]
ben_vulpes so what's the plan? backport the magic 750 or discard all ahistoric blocks? [03:30]
asciilifeform i backported it. horrendous ugly. [03:30]
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asciilifeform if you discard all of them - never syncs. [03:31]
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asciilifeform (mike_c tried it) [03:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu appears to favour releasing the thing sitting now on my desk - a that continuously reboots [03:33]
asciilifeform (and slowly grinds to a halt prior to doing so) [03:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00040671 = 12.1403 BTC [-] {2} [03:33]
asciilifeform approx. every 20 min. [03:33]
asciilifeform (present height - 183172) [03:34]
ben_vulpes brutal. [03:34]
ben_vulpes how fast does that number go up? [03:34]
asciilifeform right now, ~45 sec. / block [03:35]
asciilifeform varies. [03:35]
asciilifeform if you recall, bitcoin is not 'bittorrent' and does not make use of the multitude of nodes known to it at a given moment for fetching the blockchain [03:36]
asciilifeform instead, it locks onto one particular peer [03:36]
asciilifeform and snarfs from him, until it doesn't [03:36]
asciilifeform then picks another. [03:36]
ben_vulpes myeah. [03:36]
ben_vulpes something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units. [03:36]
ben_vulpes that something being a certain animated unicode set [03:37]
asciilifeform block downloading is almost certainly fated to be 'embraced and extended' by a sane implementation [03:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im just in favour of actually testing [03:38]
asciilifeform (negotiate torrent-like loader, if can do - do; if cannot - fallback to classic) [03:38]
mircea_popescu let it run, see what actualy happens [03:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: grinder is grinding. [03:38]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: kinda what i'm thinking [03:38]
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ben_vulpes anyways, i'm off for the eve. [03:38]
ben_vulpes my thanks for your valuable insights. [03:38]
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mircea_popescu big fucken deal, if product ends up being "spend $12 and three hours of your time following these instructions. if you have prior chain, you have node right off. if not, you have node in a month" [03:39]
asciilifeform if converges >>> then just as mircea_popescu said. [03:39]
mircea_popescu did not like mathematics. << this guy is a cryptologist that didn't like coding or math. [03:48]
mircea_popescu very strange beast. [03:48]
mircea_popescu something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units. << that something is athena riding a flaming shield. [03:49]
thestringpuller ^- doesn't she do that already? [03:50]
mircea_popescu a) fredrik de boer is a choad ; b) the left can't "win". because it's stupid. a bunch of frogs in a lake can win just as much. wtf can the terminally retarded gonna "win" ? [03:55]
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cazalla well that was short lived.. "you have been banned from posting to /r/Buttcoin" [05:03]
fluffypony lol [05:06]
punkman but... how? [05:11]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [05:13]
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fluffypony hah hah [12:21]
fluffypony [12:21]
assbot I'm a dominatrix and I was supposed to be whipping a blonde client...but instead I whipped a brunette... : funny ... ( ) [12:21]
mircea_popescu lol [12:23]
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mircea_popescu !up JodaZ [12:27]
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davout JodaZ: o hey [12:27]
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JodaZ can i advertise for sale here once? [12:28]
mircea_popescu you can do anything once. [12:28]
JodaZ :) [12:28]
davout JodaZ: -> #bitcoin-otc [12:28]
mircea_popescu but yeah, nobody cares, just don't repeat yourself. [12:28]
mircea_popescu cazalla: well that was short lived.. "you have been banned from posting to /r/Buttcoin" << what sort of low quality shilling have you been engaging in! [12:29]
mircea_popescu jurov: if you want them to wait through all the oom plodding, make them pay $300 << in the immortal words of baal (quite literally) : we shall take your position into consideration. [12:30]
mircea_popescu (the immortal words in question : ) [12:30]
assbot Diablo 2★The Search for Baal Cinematic★[Original]Official Diablo II[D2 Cut Scene] Trailer - YouTube ... ( ) [12:30]
mircea_popescu chetty: I am curious, Do female suicide bomber have to be escorted by a male relative? << lmao good one. [12:35]
danielpbarron you play d2? [12:36]
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mircea_popescu sure. [12:37]
mircea_popescu had a kickass soceress [12:37]
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mircea_popescu before they came up with bs teleporting gear for paladins and whatnot [12:37]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: dat inability to create simple bash script, etc << dat unreading of teh logs. [12:38]
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danielpbarron i had a kickass MF barbarian [12:38]
mircea_popescu sorcs could really only be frost [12:38]
mircea_popescu sadly. i liked teh hydra in d1 a lot. [12:38]
nubbins` how could i have missed it [12:38]
mircea_popescu nubbins` because the log is so incredibly fucking densely packed. [12:38]
nubbins` no kidding, hey? [12:39]
nubbins` oh, hbd to me [12:39]
nubbins` this is my jesus year [12:39]
danielpbarron i liked the necromancer but he wasn't very powerful [12:39]
mircea_popescu "When Tommy Thompson and his longtime companion did leave the Florida hotel room, usually alone and her more than him, they would use a combination of buses, taxis and walking around to shake anyone who might be tailing them." [12:39]
mircea_popescu for the record that guy was decent. [12:39]
nubbins` kakobrekla +1 top kak [12:39]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron yeah i liked him too, but yeah, not useful in pvp [12:40]
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davout i kinda ragequit d2 after my hardcore javazon died... [12:41]
danielpbarron LOL [12:41]
davout my alt+f4 wasn't swift enough [12:41]
danielpbarron i quit when a friend of mine got all my expensive MF gear trade hacked while using my account [12:42]
mircea_popescu davout bitch to play, the javazon [12:42]
davout such lag in cow-level [12:42]
davout diablo 1 was best diablo [12:43]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron in retrospect, the "expensive" gear of the d2 era was a good joke. 1k would have decked you and alts. [12:43]
mircea_popescu these days... heh. [12:43]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: is there anyone here who hasn't made the local news for threatening people? o.O << me, for one. [12:43]
danielpbarron expensive in SOJ terms, not dollar terms; i didn't have credit cards back then [12:43]
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nubbins` well, you know how to threaten people the right way, obv [12:44]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron oh lol teh stone of jordan [12:44]
mircea_popescu fucking idiot blizzard can't make an economy. [12:44]
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adlai does assbot ever pick up ratings left with gribble after the wotfork? [12:53]
PeterL I think you have to add ratings to both wots now [12:53]
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mircea_popescu adlai ideally a way to crossover is being developed, but practically i've not heard anything from nanotube for a week or so. [12:54]
adlai shouldn't it be as simple as, every rating has to contain a signature of the rating data, and then gribble and assbot can just spider eachother all day long? [12:55]
adlai and any other wots that spring up [12:55]
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adlai wot-bots. the web itself would grow larger than any individual bot. [12:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00042214 = 6.6909 BTC [-] [12:56]
mircea_popescu ideally. [12:56]
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davout « There’s No Free Lunch, Even Using Bitcoin: Tracking the Popularity and Profits of Virtual Currency Scams » [12:56]
mircea_popescu meh pdf. who's the author ? [12:57]
davout "We manually inspected all services on the list to identify only those operations established with fraudulent intent. For instance, we exclude Hashfast, a mining company that recently filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, as well as losses from Mt. Gox, a bitcoin exchange that failed." [12:57]
davout i stahped there [12:57]
adlai [12:57]
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adlai (pdf processed server-side, cloud magic) [12:58]
PeterL davout: they think they can differentiate between fraudulent intent and incompetence? [12:58]
davout looks like it [12:59]
adlai this viewer thingy is cool, you can link straight to the tl;dr: [12:59]
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mircea_popescu PeterL derps that know about bitcoin about exactly the way they know what's best for africa. [13:06]
mircea_popescu never left chelmsford. [13:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00042647 = 5.5441 BTC [+] {3} [13:08]
mircea_popescu lol didn't mean it like that [13:10]
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mircea_popescu twas suppost to be funny. [13:10]
fluffypony BITCOIN WILL SAVE AFRICA! [13:10]
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fluffypony who needs water or clothing or food when you're a starving African child that has BITCOIN! [13:10]
jurov mircea i know :) just had a double take on the (quite literally) part [13:11]
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mircea_popescu well baal is immortal. [13:11]
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mircea_popescu so i had a pile of sour cherries for breakfast [13:12]
mircea_popescu and now it looks like i'm going to have a chocolate cake snack., [13:12]
PeterL literally or figuratively? [13:12]
mircea_popescu if i die let it be known i blame the government [13:12]
mircea_popescu literally. [13:12]
mircea_popescu !up jborkl [13:12]
-assbot- You voiced jborkl for 30 minutes. [13:12]
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jborkl Been stuck up the airport runway for over an hour :( [13:12]
jborkl The peeps are restless!! [13:13]
mircea_popescu stand up and announce "This has now been converted into a nudist flight. Everyone please remove all items of clothings. Thank you." [13:13]
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ben_vulpes i'm making a bacon and caramelized onion omlette [13:14]
pete_dushenski jborkl: westerners are always restless [13:14]
mircea_popescu !up jborkl [13:15]
-assbot- You voiced jborkl for 30 minutes. [13:15]
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jborkl No word, just stuck [13:15]
pete_dushenski which is why they love smartphones that advertise "turn downtime into uptime" [13:15]
davout for before take-off enjoyment: [13:15]
assbot le cochon et le canard - YouTube ... ( ) [13:15]
pete_dushenski when they just use them to flip through buzzfeed or some such [13:15]
jborkl Austin to Denver on united [13:16]
PeterL spend more time doing useless shit and you won't have to think about how worthless you are [13:16]
jborkl Maybe they found out I have bitcoin on me [13:16]
jborkl Lol [13:16]
pete_dushenski davout: lmao [13:16]
mircea_popescu davout the note on that video suggests romanian origin. [13:17]
mircea_popescu and they seem to me to be romanian francophones [13:17]
PeterL how does one have bitcoin on them? [13:17]
jborkl Joke joke [13:17]
pete_dushenski jborkl: impossibru to have the clouds on you ;/ [13:17]
PeterL you have a private key tatoo? [13:17]
mircea_popescu so the man has a little bullet. stop hussling him! [13:18]
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jborkl What , hehe I missed something ? [13:20]
pete_dushenski PeterL: sorta making the efforts of using a smartphone to always be connected quite counter-productive to the intended objective [13:20]
PeterL whose intended objective? [13:21]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: seems like yesterday turned into national "let's translate romanian poker articles into engrish" day [13:21]
pete_dushenski quelle fun :D [13:21]
mircea_popescu lol [13:21]
mircea_popescu hard huh. [13:21]
pete_dushenski lol not easy [13:21]
pete_dushenski but perfectly enjoyable [13:22]
pete_dushenski the ol' noodle enjoyed the challenge [13:22]
asciilifeform 185063. [13:24]
mircea_popescu !s from:asciilifeform [13:25]
assbot 43267 results for 'from:asciilifeform' : [13:25]
jborkl Something broke, they want to override it and see how that works out [13:25]
jborkl So, see ya laters!! [13:26]
mircea_popescu 30-01-2015 06:30:13 (present height - 183172) so it made < 2k in the past 10 hours ? [13:26]
asciilifeform aha [13:26]
PeterL was it running that whole time? [13:26]
asciilifeform PeterL: in the sense of being switched on - yes [13:26]
asciilifeform !s oomkill [13:27]
mircea_popescu 2k > 100. [13:27]
assbot 17 results for 'oomkill' : [13:27]
danielpbarron lol [13:27]
asciilifeform it's connected to the wild net (as opposed to existing node, which would be a more deterministic, if less realistic, test) [13:27]
asciilifeform so very much luck of the draw. [13:27]
mircea_popescu quite. [13:27]
mircea_popescu (something the oomkills help, not hinder) [13:27]
mircea_popescu ie, get connected to9 shitty node, die faster. it's quite evolutionary. [13:28]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if this worked at all well, it'd be synched by now. [13:28]
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mircea_popescu somehow i suspect that if you had to design say a heron, it'd look a lot less like nature's variant and a lot more like an aircraft carrier [13:29]
asciilifeform herons don't crash. [13:29]
TomServo lol [13:29]
mircea_popescu herons crash all the fucking time. [13:29]
davout heron airprox [13:36]
davout "heron, go away, this is a class A airspace" [13:37]
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mircea_popescu !up nokia [13:42]
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pete_dushenski nokia... i just bought my first one in 15 years this week [13:45]
pete_dushenski waiting for the nanosim adapter to arrive [13:45]
pete_dushenski then experiment unsmartphone commences! [13:45]
kakobrekla which one [13:45]
pete_dushenski blu tank ii they call it [13:46]
pete_dushenski [13:47]
assbot BLU Tank II T193 Unlocked GSM Dual-SIM Cell Phone with Camera and 1900 mAh Big Battery-Retail Packaging-Black Blue: Cell Phones & Accessories ... ( ) [13:47]
nokia nokias are tanks [13:47]
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pete_dushenski nokia: in another time, yes. not sure about the new touchy ones [13:47]
kakobrekla dunno, last nail hammering nokia i had was 3210 [13:47]
kakobrekla imo build quality only went down from there [13:48]
pete_dushenski sorta like old mercs were panzers, the new ones are ospreys [13:48]
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mircea_popescu i kinda agree, they don't make the bricks like they used to in the 90s [13:49]
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mats 11:41:34 <+pete_dushenski> then experiment unsmartphone commences! << me too. bought a motorola C115 so i can play with osmocomBB [13:50]
pete_dushenski kakobrekla: i think the 3310 was my first phone [13:50]
ben_vulpes << one of my favorite phones ever [13:50]
nokia anyone do the *3001#12345 trick with the nokias? [13:50]
assbot Motorola StarTAC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [13:50]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: yes! [13:50]
kakobrekla heres my first phone i got as a kid, also indestructible ; [13:51]
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mats << foss baseband firmware [13:51]
assbot OsmocomBB [13:51]
pete_dushenski kakobrekla: colourful :D [13:51]
kakobrekla mhm :D [13:51]
pete_dushenski well i intend to test nokia's latest to see how it stacks up against my rose-tinted memories [13:52]
kakobrekla the thing with the phone was, when you were sending sms you had to type in the destination phone number from your head, no way to use saved entries. [13:53]
kakobrekla good for memory! [13:53]
pete_dushenski if only we could teach 0.5.3 to be so good with memory [13:54]
davout lol [13:56]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes ^ turd from last night's thread [14:23]
asciilifeform placed on www for the record. [14:24]
mircea_popescu "Keeping in mind that actual stalking has never been dealt with in any significant way ever, the desire of a few female writers to curb online anonymity wouldn't be enough to get an @ mention, except that this happens to coincide with what the media wants, and now we have the two vectors summing to form a public health crisis. "Cyberbullying is a huge problem!" Yes, but not because it is hurtful, HA! no one cares about [14:28]
mircea_popescu your feelings-- but because criticism makes women want to be more private-- and the privacy of the women is bad. The women have to be online, they do most of the clicking and receive most of the clicks. Anonymous cyberbullying is a barrier to increasing consumption, it's gotta go." [14:28]
mircea_popescu in retrospect this is the best discussion of this ever-returning zombie of "cyberbullying" i ever read. [14:29]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [14:30]
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mircea_popescu "If Hess has made you wonder, hmm, maybe unrestricted anonymity is bad because it gives trolls too much power, then the system has successfully used her for its true purpose: brand it as bad, to you. She is unwittingly teaching the demo of this article, e.g. women in their 20s with no actual power looking to establish themselves, who are the very people who should embrace anonymity, not to want this: only rapists and t [14:31]
mircea_popescu oo-weak-to-try rapists want to be anonymous. Smart women write clickable articles about their sexuality for nothing, because what good are you if you can't make someone else money? Interesting to observe that the article's single suggested solution to cyberharassment is to reframe a criminal problem into a civil rights issue using a logic so preposterously adolescent that if you laid this on your Dad when you were 16 h [14:31]
mircea_popescu e'd backhand slap you right out of the glee club: "it discourages women from writing and earning a living online." Earning a living? From who, Gawker? Most of the women writing on the internet are writing for someone else who pays them next to nothing. None of them control the capital, none of them get paid 1/1000 of what they bring in for the media company. You know what they do get? They get to be valued by work, and [14:31]
mircea_popescu in gratitude they are going to the front lines to fight for the media company's right to pay them less." [14:31]
mircea_popescu this is quite exactly it, and it's not limited to poorly educated, insufficiently fucked, infantilized 20something wymyn. [14:31]
mircea_popescu the mirror-image infantilized 20something bois are idem fighting for paul graham's right to pay them nothing while turning them into a strange sort of pulp fiction's gimp [14:32]
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mircea_popescu the funniest thing in all of this isn't exactly the horde of children who don't understand how the fuck they were tricked exactly. the funniest thing is the plethora of articles about how "apple could buy russia" [14:33]
mircea_popescu it's going to get even funnier once they actually try. [14:34]
asciilifeform why not 'buy' whole planet. what, not enough ink in printer ? [14:34]
mircea_popescu no but you know, the fumes of confused teenagers are going to somehow coallesce into moving as much as a hair of actual matter. ANY DAY NOW [14:34]
mircea_popescu i could be sitting in a parisian cafe cca 1815 and lol the same way for the same reasons at the same people [14:35]
mircea_popescu this, they call progress. [14:35]
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asciilifeform fumes of confused teenagers are going to somehow coallesce into moving << 'dog barks, caravan moves' [14:48]
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gribble Current Blocks: 341191 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1528 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 16 hours, 26 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45460765013.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.14684 [15:10]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: thank you sir [15:12]
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ben_vulpes i can't believe that people want to fuck around with sidechains and altcoins when there's interesting work to be done in improving how the satoshi codebase handles block downloads [15:14]
ben_vulpes this "orphans" routine though, i must say i love it. [15:15]
ben_vulpes 'tis another dagger in my belt. [15:15]
adlai << dat % [15:16]
assbot Logged on 29-01-2015 19:26:09; gribble: Current Blocks: 341060 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1659 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47714824514.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.60819 [15:16]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: that was cribbed almost wholesale from evil bitcoind [15:18]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the problem is that people are insulated from reality (least it hurts their feelings) and so they are also insulated from everythning interesting, and in the end their own life. [15:24]
mats hard work is hard. totes believable. [15:25]
mircea_popescu right. [15:25]
mircea_popescu people interested in actually doing stuff have b-a. everyone else can be "a contributor" (for bois), or "part of the community" (for womyns) [15:26]
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mats why do any work when you can generate an altcoin from a bootstrap website and watch netflix [15:26]
asciilifeform [15:27]
assbot Logged on 16-02-2014 22:03:29; asciilifeform: obligatory russian drowning joke [15:27]
mircea_popescu essentially, because it's fun. [15:28]
mircea_popescu "why does the horse run, while the worm can but crawl ? because the horse enjoys to run." [15:28]
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asciilifeform i can't believe that people want to fuck around with sidechains and altcoins when there's interesting work to be done in improving how the satoshi codebase <<< not only sloth, but avarice, is involved. nobody gets rich from honestly fixing satoshi's bugs [15:33]
asciilifeform sc4mz0r1ng? promises riches, at least to the foolish [15:34]
ben_vulpes bah wealth [15:35]
ben_vulpes la vie, c'est le travaille [15:35]
asciilifeform arbeit macht frei. [15:35]
ben_vulpes i'll settle for stakes and sucking holes in everyones chest. [15:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's beyond short sighted. [15:36]
mircea_popescu nobody gets rich from being o'reilly's or Sara Miller McCune's hand puppet. [15:36]
mircea_popescu people DO get rich, in the manner of their choice, out of accumulating this sort of capital. [15:36]
mircea_popescu linus is rich, in that ~he can do what he pleases~. your definition of rich. [15:36]
mircea_popescu so is taleb. so is everyone that DIDN'T join the system. [15:37]
asciilifeform except that no one does honest scientific collaboration 'to get rich' specifically. [15:37]
mircea_popescu the only poor people are the "rich people" making 500k to 5mn a year to pay for their mortgage and college loans. [15:37]
asciilifeform them's chumpers. [15:37]
mircea_popescu a sudanese, poor as the dirt hre sits in, still has a chance. [15:37]
mircea_popescu antonoderpopo no longer has a chance, because he's dead, because a rich guy killed him. [15:38]
mircea_popescu and death is forever. [15:38]
asciilifeform zombie may even envy the dead. [15:38]
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mircea_popescu zombie generally does. [15:38]
mircea_popescu which explains why suicide is such a big deal in zombieland. [15:38]
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PeterL so, I'm reading through the bitcoind code as published by the Foundation, [15:40]
PeterL / Some explaining would be appreciated << this comment sounds like something asciilifeform would put in? [15:40]
asciilifeform where's this [15:40]
PeterL by the COrphan class [15:40]
mod6 that's an original v0.5.3 comment [15:41]
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mod6 [15:43]
assbot bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( ) [15:43]
asciilifeform PeterL: also these are not the same orphans! [15:43]
PeterL which orphans are these? how many kinds of orphans are there? [15:43]
mircea_popescu seriously let's start calling them parentless blocks / pblocks [15:43]
mircea_popescu this confusion is counterproductive. [15:43]
asciilifeform see last night's thread: [15:44]
assbot Logged on 30-01-2015 06:09:29; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 'orphan blocks' in question have nothing whatsoever to do with the usual definition [15:44]
mircea_popescu PeterL orphans are short lengths ofchain that were abandoined in favour of a competitor. [15:44]
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mircea_popescu parentless blocks are blocks which arrived to a node before their parents, and so can't be evaluated for validity (yet) [15:44]
asciilifeform my understanding is that the demented name confusion came about because originally these were handled using the same routines. [15:44]
mircea_popescu yes. [15:44]
mircea_popescu because system engineering is a topping for pizza. [15:44]
asciilifeform street pizza. [15:45]
PeterL 10000 btc pizza? [15:45]
asciilifeform [15:45]
assbot Urban Dictionary: street pizza ... ( ) [15:45]
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ben_vulpes mk a contention: [15:46]
ben_vulpes "reference node should only keep track of a single chain: the longest discoverable" [15:46]
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mircea_popescu how ? [15:46]
ben_vulpes that, i do not know. [15:47]
asciilifeform the whole process for learning which the 'longest discoverable' is [15:47]
asciilifeform requires keeping track of a certain quantity of non-longest. [15:47]
ben_vulpes but in keeping around orphan chains, the enemy can pollute ones disk trivially. [15:47]
mircea_popescu lol how about "bitcoin should just work" then [15:47]
asciilifeform but again, these are the -other- orphans. [15:47]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yes. which is why the only sane way for bitcoi nnodes to work is gossipd [15:48]
mircea_popescu but that is a point for later. [15:48]
mod6 pblock is probably not a good name, since in most of the code "pblock" is what is denoted for a pointer to a block. [15:48]
mircea_popescu ah eys right mod6 [15:48]
ben_vulpes bastardblocks [15:48]
mircea_popescu ?blocks [15:48]
mircea_popescu that's obvious and intuitive enough ? [15:48]
mod6 they really are "orphans", since an orphan is someone with out parents right? so im fine with calling them orphans, i think there is confusion around how these come into existance. [15:49]
mircea_popescu except they're not orphan, they're just "not in the presence of their parents" [15:49]
mats << i'm slow on the draw, but this was a good read. [15:49]
assbot lcamtuf's blog: Technical analysis of Qualys' GHOST ... ( ) [15:49]
mod6 mircea_popescu: fair point there. [15:49]
mod6 maybe "disconnected blocks" or something [15:50]
mircea_popescu works [15:50]
kakobrekla lost i say. [15:50]
ben_vulpes hah lols [15:50]
ben_vulpes lost [15:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that is a point for later << that's a point from last night [15:50]
asciilifeform [15:50]
assbot Logged on 30-01-2015 06:22:59; asciilifeform: mr s. did not know 'gossip protocol'. [15:50]
mod6 kakobrekla: i like that. [15:50]
pete_dushenski plus ca change: [15:50]
assbot s/then/now. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [15:50]
pete_dushenski ^that cyberbullying convo was well timed [15:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well really it was a point from ever since gossipd was discussed, but w/e, not mature yet. [15:51]
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asciilifeform 185554. [15:52]
pete_dushenski later gang! [15:54]
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mircea_popescu 500 in 2 hours ? [15:54]
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asciilifeform aha [15:56]
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mircea_popescu so at the present rate, done by conference time :D [15:56]
asciilifeform not linear. [15:56]
mircea_popescu well technically it's improved, over the 200/hour earlier :p [15:58]
ben_vulpes << well here's some strange [15:59]
assbot diafygi/webrtc-ips · GitHub ... ( ) [16:00]
ben_vulpes << and the demo (warning: hostile) [16:00]
assbot ... ( ) [16:00]
jurov i propose "mislaid blocks" :DDD [16:01]
mircea_popescu teh slutblox [16:02]
BingoBoingo except they're not orphan, they're just "not in the presence of their parents" << Latchkey Blocks [16:07]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski i'll be lucky to get my butt in a miata this decade [16:08]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:08]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: webrtc-ips << lol!! [16:09]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: wanna be hero? post some packet filter rules for this crap [16:09]
jurov forlorn, delinquent, remiss, slack, behindhand, belated ...literary english has plenty of words. just dorks know none [16:10]
asciilifeform no reason not to chop it off at the wall. [16:10]
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jurov whole IT is master, slave, orphan, vorgin, etc. [16:10]
jurov *virgin [16:10]
ben_vulpes obsessions of the unsexed [16:10]
mircea_popescu jurov word. [16:10]
mircea_popescu beloated blocks is not bad. [16:11]
davout lol jurov [16:11]
mircea_popescu sorta like belation causing bloat thing [16:11]
asciilifeform bloatsam. [16:11]
asciilifeform (as in floatsam) [16:11]
asciilifeform or was it flotsam [16:11]
ben_vulpes the latter [16:12]
ben_vulpes blocksam [16:12]
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mircea_popescu brock pierce ? [16:14]
ben_vulpes any time anyone brings up brock i think of pokemon. [16:14]
asciilifeform when someone brings up 'pierce' can't help but think of pederasts [16:15]
asciilifeform or rather, russian prison buggery [16:15]
asciilifeform which, according to scholars, divides those who have been 'lowered into pederasty' into the 'pierced' and 'unpierced' species [16:15]
ben_vulpes 'pierce' << i think fondly of that time in my life when i had several holes in my face [16:15]
asciilifeform the former, those who have been ceremonially buggered in the usual sense, the latter - those who have not (or not yet), but have been assigned the caste [16:16]
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asciilifeform 'getdata... ...can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).' [16:22]
asciilifeform (from the www) [16:22]
* asciilifeform wonders if anyone else considers this to be lame [16:23]
ben_vulpes i. [16:23]
ben_vulpes have in fact complained about this in the past. [16:24]
ben_vulpes !s getdata [16:24]
assbot 3 results for 'getdata' : [16:24]
BingoBoingo Making money in college Illigu [16:27]
BingoBoingo [16:27]
assbot ... ( ) [16:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform can be safely snipped. [16:27]
jurov [16:27]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.chicken general search: getdata ... ( ) [16:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what can be [16:28]
mircea_popescu it will cause trouble at some point down the road, because eventually the blockchain will overwhelm the index. [16:28]
mircea_popescu however, it can be implemented as rolling window, which is how in point of fact "relay set" works [16:28]
* asciilifeform was thinking the opposite - civilized nodes could provide arbitrary tx access [16:29]
ben_vulpes hear hear [16:29]
ben_vulpes not really the remit of the RI tho. [16:29]
ben_vulpes RI, by my understanding: downloads and verifies blockchain; regurgitates blocks on demand; relays transactions. [16:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not indefinitely. [16:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so long as overhead is O(n) or below, why not [16:34]
mircea_popescu i dun think it is. [16:35]
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asciilifeform 0.5.3 - certainly not [16:35]
mircea_popescu right. [16:35]
asciilifeform mathematically - quite achievable [16:35]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: undergrads who 'rock the boat' end up 'having problems', one way or another. see also the folks who posted diffs b/w one semester's textbook and next's [16:38]
asciilifeform (for non-usa folks: the 'college racket' does not consist merely of tuition and housing that go up ~10%/yr., but also miscellaneous vampirisms like textbooks that stay almost exactly the same but for the exercise set orderings, at 100-400 usd a pop, moving target every semester) [16:40]
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ben_vulpes i didn't even see the reorderings, asciilifeform [16:40]
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mircea_popescu you know the one time a smarmy teacher tried to be all american and make the class buy a book we complained to the provost and he nearly got kicked out. [16:41]
mircea_popescu apparently growing up in the civilised world has its advantages [16:41]
mircea_popescu (it didn't last tho, meanwhile romania joined nato and every college prof is hawking his own dumbass books) [16:41]
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ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: undergrads who 'rock the boat' end up 'having problems', one way or another. see also the folks who posted diffs b/w one semester's textbook and next's << can't say as that was my experience. i rocked the boat constantly and still managed to eke some funding out of the university for harebrained rocket schemes [16:45]
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coderwill ben_vulpes: hello, apologies, i have been busy for a few days, but noticed your mention the other day about options [16:49]
ben_vulpes oh, mostly just trolling you [16:50]
coderwill ben_vulpes: the first thing i asked was to see the cap table [16:51]
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coderwill ben_vulpes: sorry wasn't around to reply [16:52]
coderwill so when i asked to see the cap table, was told that no one except investors are allowed to see cap table [16:53]
coderwill then what mike_c said was almost exactly what happened afterward, ironically [16:53]
mircea_popescu next time tell them "listen bub, i'm not fresh off the turnip truck. you want to hire me on pure salary, it's $1,5mn the first year payable upfront and increasing by 1mn each eyar after that. [16:55]
mircea_popescu now go get that cap table." [16:55]
coderwill yeah, i thought about that at the time, but then was like, well, i guess i'm getting to work at one of the most well-known wallet providers, that could be good for subsequent opportunities [16:56]
mircea_popescu except it's moreover bad. [16:56]
coderwill correct, that was a naive thought in many regards [16:56]
mircea_popescu well, at least now it's in the logs. [16:56]
trinque coderwill: nah man, that "this will at least be good for my resume" thing is just a way of learning to love the pole [16:57]
mircea_popescu it's how amanda hess works, at any rate :D [16:58]
coderwill haha, it's all good [16:58]
trinque everyone in the industry under 30 is a perma-intern [16:58]
coderwill i am thankful for the opportunity and it has let me to better places, but definitely not what i was expecting when i came on board [16:59]
trinque that said why fight for equity if the businesses wont even be there in a few years [16:59]
ben_vulpes yeah fuck equity [16:59]
trinque maybe 2 of the 7 I've worked for still exist [16:59]
ben_vulpes short the shartups [16:59]
trinque one of those is my own [17:00]
coderwill at the same time, there are some people i really enjoyed getting to know who i'd be happy to work with again. it's just a few that made it very strange for everyone [17:00]
coderwill trinque: agreed, equity is not all it's cracked up to be [17:01]
trinque well it's not equity; it's that the companies are largely worthless [17:01]
trinque I had looads of shares of the terrible rails startup I was a part of years ago [17:02]
trinque company's dead; shares aren't worth one reddit note [17:02]
mircea_popescu trinque pushing for equity is an essential tool in evaluating the company. [17:02]
mircea_popescu peopel tend to forget that working for a start-up is a LOAN. [17:02]
coderwill trinque: reminds me of a quote from @fakegrimlock - [17:02]
trinque mircea_popescu: oh certainly! [17:02]
trinque just commenting on the worthlessness of american startups [17:02]
mircea_popescu well the only way to survive is to nmot work for a worthless one. [17:03]
coderwill mircea_popescu: i like your idea about working for a startup being a loan [17:03]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [17:03]
coderwill mircea_popescu: seems like the ones that think of it that way are far and few between [17:04]
mircea_popescu coderwill think of it in sexual terms. "honey let's fuck". "are you going to be around in ten years to raiuse my children ?" "nope" "so i'm loaning you my taxed income in the future ?" [17:05]
mircea_popescu traditional employment of the "that's a firm to put 30 years in with" isn't a loan particularly for that reason. [17:05]
coderwill haha [17:06]
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coderwill it's a bummer people can't be more straight-up with potential hires [17:09]
trinque mircea_popescu: seems this state you describe in the article is terminal [17:10]
mircea_popescu which one ? [17:10]
trinque coderwill: you have to force them to be, and if you can't, why would they? [17:10]
coderwill i guess there is a flipside though, which is people wanting everything [17:10]
trinque mircea_popescu: the meta problem [17:10]
trinque if a person can't reason enough to reason that they'd better improve their reasoning, fucked [17:10]
ben_vulpes fucked without external intervention. [17:11]
trinque maybe someone external can force them to do otherwise, but they never will [17:11]
trinque right [17:11]
ben_vulpes hence beatings. [17:11]
coderwill trinque: re: hiring, probably best to start small with people you trust almost unconditionally [17:12]
coderwill or maybe a better way of saying it, a person who comes to the table thinking "what's in this for us" instead of "what's in this for me" [17:13]
mircea_popescu trinque aka d-k as hanbot points out [17:13]
mircea_popescu maybe someone external can force them to do otherwise, but they never will << main point of slavery. [17:13]
mircea_popescu "you'll be eating dogfood off the floor until you can X" [17:14]
trinque poking at the roots of the brain directly, read that in another recent article [17:14]
mircea_popescu coderwill yes, that and the frankness are the predicates of this place, and why it works, and why qntra will sink gawker and so on. [17:14]
mircea_popescu it's just altogether a much better model. [17:14]
mircea_popescu it only works for rich, smart people, but then again let gavin have africa, and graham sillycon valley, they'll have fun together. [17:15]
ben_vulpes trinque: re: hiring, probably best to start small with people you trust almost unconditionally << i've had decent success hiring friends and their friends. [17:16]
trinque ben_vulpes: dat irl wot [17:16]
ben_vulpes wots rule everything around me [17:16]
ben_vulpes mind you, coderwill "friends" is not the criteria. [17:17]
coderwill mircea_popescu: yeah, hope something positive comes out at the end [17:17]
ben_vulpes it's more like "dood i know and respect knows and respects this other dood, so i guess i'll give him a whirl". [17:17]
trinque ^ requires good stock that knows the meaning of respect [17:18]
ben_vulpes tricky, indubitably. [17:18]
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asciilifeform 185964. [17:20]
ben_vulpes as an aside, the whole vesting thing is odd. [17:20]
ben_vulpes i've been batting around the notion of a qntra-style stock pool, where stock in the operation would be issued in direct proportion to hours clocked on the project. [17:21]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: lol! [17:21]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: why not by the pound ? [17:21]
asciilifeform !s which screw [17:21]
assbot 16 results for 'which screw' : [17:21]
ben_vulpes i don't quite know if this is topologically different from an option pool with a vesting schedule, except that it provides some fairness proportionality to the time worked [17:22]
asciilifeform try paying the 'which screw' man by the hour. [17:22]
ben_vulpes i've no business with "which screw" men. [17:22]
ben_vulpes everything we touch gets the shit automated out of it as a precondition of touching it. [17:22]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what do your men do, the profit from which is at all proportional to the time spent? [17:23]
asciilifeform iirc there was programming involved? [17:23]
ben_vulpes read, think. occasionally commit a line or two of code. [17:23]
ben_vulpes others: read, think, occasionally produce a UI layout. [17:24]
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asciilifeform and the fella who has to think for two hours to come up with xxxx, should be paid 2x the pay of the 1h one ? [17:24]
asciilifeform am i the only one who thinks this is odd [17:24]
ben_vulpes the fella who thinks for twice as long is generally not paid nearly what the one who can see it instantly. [17:24]
ben_vulpes (is). [17:24]
asciilifeform the latter is called 'which screw' [17:25]
ben_vulpes you're forcing a metaphor. [17:25]
ben_vulpes some read and do (the correct thing) very quickly, and are remunerated in proportion to their time spent and speed at which they do it. [17:26]
ben_vulpes this allows the man who only cares to work for 15 hours per week to do so, comfortably, provided he's good at what he does. [17:26]
asciilifeform hourly billing, esp. for engineering, always seemed like the worst possible incentive to me [17:26]
asciilifeform the most valuable contractor is the one who magicks away the problem in seconds and then gets out of yer face [17:26]
ben_vulpes well, we work with derpy web stacks man. [17:27]
ben_vulpes each a snowflake with its own peculiarities. [17:27]
asciilifeform especially there, this ought to be true ? [17:27]
asciilifeform the master of a particular turd can 'turn the screw' [17:27]
ben_vulpes as we get up to speed on a given codebase/ops story, shit moves vastly more quickly. [17:27]
asciilifeform civilian - will be reading the horror for weeks [17:27]
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trinque really hard to quantify this stuff [17:27]
ben_vulpes no doubt, asciilifeform, no doubt. [17:28]
asciilifeform the gnarlier, uglier, the proggy, the more potential for 'screws' [17:28]
ben_vulpes but someone must invest the capital to justify loading it into a team's shared understanding. [17:28]
* asciilifeform finds the above ^ a bit confusing but may be out of depth [17:29]
ben_vulpes the source must be read, neh? [17:30]
ben_vulpes this takes time. [17:30]
ben_vulpes someone must foot the bill for that. [17:30]
asciilifeform unless you already knew (or even wrote) it [17:30]
asciilifeform (consultant) [17:30]
ben_vulpes sure, for greenfield absolutely. [17:30]
cazalla nubbins`: cazalla tell us more about your web of hate <<< some kid printed out ICQ chatlogs that he was not even involved in and took them to the police [17:31]
ben_vulpes but what about the project whose maintainer has ghosted themselves off to the next interesting thing? [17:31]
asciilifeform even for straight reverse-engineering, there are order-of-magnitude variations in the amount different folks have to read to grasp the problem [17:32]
asciilifeform i bet you can think of some examples of this, from your own practice [17:33]
cazalla nubbins`: is there anyone here who hasn't made the local news for threatening people? o.O <<< i made TV too because what else happens in the sticks, thankfully minor at the time.. all this shit because i said i was gonna machine gun a bunch of people [17:33]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: several. [17:33]
ben_vulpes i'd not go so far as to say "order of magnitude" [17:34]
ben_vulpes perhaps 2x to 3x [17:34]
cazalla mircea_popescu: cazalla: well that was short lived.. "you have been banned from posting to /r/Buttcoin" << what sort of low quality shilling have you been engaging in! <<< i criticised the jews : [17:34]
mats cazalla: lemme guess. 'ButterNubber'? [17:34]
cazalla mats, that's not me [17:34]
ben_vulpes in our snowflake of a case, that's more due to the difference between people who've seen things like the bug under the microscope before, and people who've yet to learn the myriad of tools and mental models to cope effectively. [17:35]
mats the mystery continues. [17:35]
ben_vulpes a bit of economics: in training those people, their value delivered goes up disproportionately to their wage hikes. [17:35]
trinque ben_vulpes: is being drunk a mental model or a tool [17:35]
trinque that one makes django a breeze [17:35]
ben_vulpes trinque: well if you know what you're doing, and you're climbing with Ballmer... [17:35]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: their value delivered goes up disproportionately to their wage hikes << naggum wrote at some length on this subject [17:36]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i'd love to read it [17:36]
ben_vulpes there's another side to that as well, which is that the people with whom I work who do things at the 2x-3x range of the others actually enjoy teaching juniors and collaborating on these projects. [17:36]
ben_vulpes non monetary remuneration. [17:37]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: << one bit. there was more, somewhere [17:37]
assbot Re: Newbie questions - Naggum cll archive ... ( ) [17:37]
asciilifeform [17:38]
assbot Re: What Lisp needs to beat Java, etc. - Naggum cll archive ... ( ) [17:38]
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asciilifeform 'Let's put it another way: Money will _not_ get you any Open Source or Free Software. People create software like this because they want to, _not_ because they get paid. Money is a basically a _detractor_ for creative people who want others to use their software and through that become personally visible. It is pretty sad, but money does not offer visibility to someone who is begging for others to notice him. Open Source a [17:39]
asciilifeform nd Free Software are proofs that computers are alienating in the old Marxist sense and the Open Source and Free Software projects are reactions to this sense of alienation, in order to make the person stand out from the computerized nothingness.' [17:39]
danielpbarron it's like a starving artist kid i know that will spitefully do a poor job if you pay him to draw something [17:40]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: we definitely diverge from the original topic significantly here, but "community" and "belongingness" is a core part of what we do. [17:42]
ben_vulpes we have relationships with our clients, get to know their business and make a nominal difference in how they do it. [17:42]
coderwill ben_vulpes: sorry, delayed reply - yeah i get what you are saying about hiring friends [17:42]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: yeah, linked piece is not quite what i was looking for [17:43]
asciilifeform it's in there, somewhere. [17:43]
asciilifeform (*in the archive) [17:44]
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ben_vulpes myeah. [17:44]
ben_vulpes i'd like to be more familiar with that archive. [17:44]
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asciilifeform [17:44]
assbot Erik Naggum comp.lang.lisp archive ... ( ) [17:44]
* asciilifeform at one point snarfed up all of it [17:44]
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trinque !up felipelalli [17:47]
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trinque felipelalli: you're going to want to get yourself a cloak [17:47]
trinque and a properly configured irc client [17:47]
trinque somebody in here likes to ddos IPs that appear in logs [17:48]
trinque I'm sure we're all being scanned for hax as well [17:48]
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trinque ^heh! fled [17:49]
cazalla why the name change trinque? [17:57]
trinque cazalla: this was always my otc handle, and hence the name that made it into assbot [17:59]
trinque and why use an alias [18:00]
cazalla guess i gots to make another symlink in my mind much in the same way i made one for bitcoinpete [18:00]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [18:02]
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trinque BingoBoingo: is this to highlight "why use an alias" for when I'm hauled off to room 101? [18:03]
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BingoBoingo trinque: Nah, just wanted to highlight brain symlinks [18:04]
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kakobrekla i know changing names is not a good practice, but perhaps for the sake of sync we could allow to update your name once (given properly signed request from adequate gpg key) [18:31]
ben_vulpes changing names not a good practice? [18:38]
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ben_vulpes so long as the fp doesn't change how does that matter? [18:38]
ben_vulpes felipelalli: you'll need a cloak. [18:38]
kakobrekla ben_vulpes think of it this way: why dont we just use FP instead of nicks ? [18:39]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: that was sorta the plan in 'gossip' [18:39]
asciilifeform nick is just something you'd assign locally to an fp, for convenience [18:39]
kakobrekla reminds me of [18:39]
assbot Logged on 30-01-2015 16:49:48; kakobrekla: the thing with the phone was, when you were sending sms you had to type in the destination phone number from your head, no way to use saved entries. [18:39]
kakobrekla yes, locally [18:40]
kakobrekla thats different matter. [18:40]
asciilifeform this is actually more like how names work in life [18:40]
asciilifeform i.e. you have some say in what folks you meet will call you, but not 100% [18:40]
kakobrekla but say you rated undata at some point, and then he changes nick to pirateat40 and you will wtf next time you check your ratings [18:41]
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felipelalli ben_vulpes: why? [18:41]
davout kakobrekla: dat true [18:42]
kakobrekla now, this is just a one time inconvenience, but say everyone would change all the time. nicht gut. [18:42]
davout i can hardly remember who this kakobrekla guy is anyway [18:42]
kakobrekla see its already hard for frenchies. [18:42]
asciilifeform so: [18:44]
asciilifeform bitcoind limited to 'orphanage' of 50 blocks (running on ordinary pc) never syncs [18:44]
scoopbot New post on by cazalla: [18:44]
asciilifeform stuck at 3466. [18:44]
jurov and does the std limit of 750 help with oom after all? [18:45]
asciilifeform almost certainly not (quite definitely not on 'pogo') [18:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu was right in that a fundamentally more intelligent mechanism for retrieving blocks is necessary [18:46]
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asciilifeform testing a build of same with constant of 250 [18:48]
asciilifeform if the memory footprint can actually be limited, the smaller machine can perhaps be allowed to swap to disk. [18:48]
davout being able to request blox from peers for a certain height would solve the whole thing instantly [18:49]
asciilifeform aha. [18:49]
jurov malicious peers can poison us with orphan chain up to that height [18:50]
jurov anyway [18:50]
jurov i'd suggest to use difficulty [18:50]
davout if you're connected to only malicious peers you're kinda fuxxored anyway [18:50]
asciilifeform malicious peers not even needed for this [18:50]
asciilifeform it happens reliably, anyway [18:50]
jurov yes. but if we put in expected difficulty instead of checkpoints [18:50]
jurov then producing fake blocks is.. well dificult [18:51]
davout "malicious peers not even needed for this" <<< how? [18:51]
asciilifeform davout: the flood happens nearly always in the natural process of loading blocks [18:51]
jurov (just spur if the moment idea) [18:51]
jurov *of [18:51]
davout ah, i thought you were referring to jurov's 'malicious peers' objection to consider requesting blocks based on height [18:52]
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jurov now that is something. if i secretly make 350k alternative blocks with minimal difficulty, will that altchain get chosen if we have no checkpoints? [18:58]
asciilifeform experimental result: [18:58]
asciilifeform (250, x86) [18:58]
asciilifeform ten minutes of run, 127937 height (and going at that rate), at no point process exceeded 90MB [18:58]
asciilifeform but! [19:01]
asciilifeform seems like it got lucky with peers [19:01]
asciilifeform log shows that only two 'bastards' came in [19:01]
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asciilifeform grep "ORPHAN BLOCK" ~/.bitcoin/debug.log | wc -l [19:05]
asciilifeform ^ 'bastard count' [19:13]
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mod6 Anyone wanna test out a perl script for me? [19:22]
assbot ... ( ) [19:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11346 @ 0.00041058 = 4.6584 BTC [-] [19:23]
asciilifeform 2nd run (see above) : [19:25]
asciilifeform after ~15 min, 950 (iirc) bastards, 85MB max footprint - reached a wedge state at 119970 (1983 bastards, came in burst) [19:26]
mod6 yal [19:27]
asciilifeform ERROR: ConnectInputs() : xxxxxxxxx mapTransactions prev not found yyyyyyyyy [19:27]
asciilifeform ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed xxxxxxxxx [19:27]
asciilifeform ^ of this form [19:27]
asciilifeform go figure, dislodged. [19:30]
davout jurov: "now that is something. if i secretly make 350k alternative blocks with minimal difficulty, will that altchain get chosen if we have no checkpoints?" <<< i don't think so. if you have 8 peers you'll get two different blocks at different diff for the same height, hard to feed you a bogus chain [19:30]
asciilifeform stays in mem footprint [19:30]
asciilifeform (2800 bastards in) [19:31]
asciilifeform 124000 & counting [19:31]
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asciilifeform this is actually an unsurprising result [19:31]
asciilifeform if connects to a peer who insists on pumping it full of bastards, cyclically, of course it wedges. [19:31]
asciilifeform but when wedged, does not oom. [19:32]
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mod6 wait until you get to here: [19:32]
mod6 [19:32]
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asciilifeform based on the footprint, the orphanage burner functions [19:33]
asciilifeform same effect at 131019... [19:35]
asciilifeform 4570 bstrds [19:35]
asciilifeform 117MB max footprint [19:36]
asciilifeform dislodged [19:36]
asciilifeform ergo, when it hits a retarded peer, grunts for a while [19:37]
asciilifeform would be more economical to simply chop the connection [19:37]
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asciilifeform retards can go pound sand [19:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00040756 = 11.0041 BTC [-] {3} [19:38]
mats cheer up [19:39]
mats can you feel ma love from over the tubes? [19:40]
trinque he said, inching closer, staring without a blink [19:41]
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asciilifeform blocks=136927 bastards=7631 peak=120M [19:56]
mod6 you're running with a 250 size limit cap now right? [19:58]
asciilifeform aha [19:58]
asciilifeform (on x86 box) [19:58]
mod6 cool [19:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.10442915 = 1.2531 BTC [+] {4} [20:02]
mod6 that's neat. gonna test RI on 'em? [20:03]
danielpbarron what is RI [20:04]
mod6 reference implementation [20:04]
mod6 (v0.5.3 + patchez) [20:05]
danielpbarron ah, yes [20:05]
mod6 werd. lettuce know how it goes. :] [20:05]
* BingoBoingo considering as future desktop machine. Seems to satisfy stuff in bag, carry much distance criteria. [20:06]
assbot The Linux Mint Blog » Blog Archive » Introducing the MintBox Mini ... ( ) [20:06]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo likes soldered-in wifi ? [20:07]
BingoBoingo solder melts [20:07]
BingoBoingo Antennas snip [20:08]
asciilifeform why not buy things that don't require mutilation. [20:08]
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ben_vulpes interesting hostname, berndj [20:33]
ben_vulpes hmph. nevermind. [20:33]
asciilifeform << bitcoin 'core' developer [20:33]
assbot ... ( ) [20:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << see also [20:34]
assbot ... ( ) [20:34]
asciilifeform ought to be a book! [20:34]
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danielpbarron i'm ssh'd into this thing; pretty neat [20:59]
danielpbarron << persistent guy! [21:02]
assbot GoldenVizions comments on Hi Reddit, I’m Bill Gates and I’m back for my third AMA. Ask me anything. ... ( ) [21:02]
danielpbarron "This will take some time but getting into the Web of Trust is something I have wanted to do and have been studying for a few months now." [21:03]
asciilifeform blocks=144806 bastards=11847 peak=145M [21:08]
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scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [21:19]
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mircea_popescu !up berndj [21:33]
-assbot- You voiced berndj for 30 minutes. [21:33]
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-assbot- You voiced Takeshi for 30 minutes. [21:33]
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mircea_popescu anyone want the clearly very valuable domain ? [21:33]
mircea_popescu lol cpt buttarms [21:34]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: i've been batting around the notion of a qntra-style stock pool, where stock in the operation would be issued in direct proportion to hours clocked on the project. << risky if it ends up promoting clockpainting. [21:37]
jurov ben_vulpes: sell that idea to reddit [21:37]
mircea_popescu qntra works very well, at least so far, because everyone's work is fundamentally public, there's no meaning in "writing words' outside of obviously others reading them. so trying to thin out the product as it were is painfully visible and liable to cost whoever does it more than it's worth. [21:38]
jurov they can give scamcoins according to time spent there [21:38]
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mircea_popescu with something private like you know, coding work, this may prove unfeasible. [21:38]
mircea_popescu jurov kinda what they do already no ? [21:38]
jurov well, yes. [21:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what do your men do, the profit from which is at all proportional to the time spent? << this is a well pointed question. it'd seem your business is ass-backwardss : people do the job of computers, and i guess computers do the job of people ?! [21:39]
trinque seems just issuing bonuses when times are good is more manageable [21:42]
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trinque maybe that's applicable to stock as well; just issue shares as you personally see fit [21:43]
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* trinque wonders if there are rules on "fairness" in regards to giving employees stock [21:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50214 @ 0.00042159 = 21.1697 BTC [-] {2} [21:44]
mircea_popescu "everyone must get the same" [21:44]
trinque jesus [21:45]
trinque mircea_popescu: really? [21:45]
mircea_popescu well what ?! [21:45]
trinque well presumably I own the fucking thing, at least in my own delusion [21:45]
trinque I can't just decide a guy has pleased me and give him some? [21:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1560 @ 0.000932 = 1.4539 BTC [-] [21:46]
mircea_popescu maybe you don't understand this whole "fairness" concept. [21:46]
BingoBoingo with something private like you know, coding work, this may prove unfeasible. << Also as unequally as prose may be weighted, code is especially unequal when it comes to volume versus value. [21:48]
trinque seems dangerous to give stock at all then, if there's anything at all on the books about "fairness" to whoever [21:48]
mircea_popescu trinque yes, capitalism does not work in the hands of idiots. [21:48]
mircea_popescu like gpg. like everything else worth using. [21:48]
mircea_popescu it's that fabled lightsabre that only lightsabers if wielded by master. [21:48]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah, you're right. qntra was a bold step into the darkness, perhaps too bold. trying it with coding is taking a bold ~train trip~ into the wilderness. [21:49]
asciilifeform pay for quantity or time is how the fabled 'indian coder' came about. [21:50]
asciilifeform (the notion was once taken to extremes in that country) [21:50]
trinque I suppose I should stop being surprised. [21:50]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo yeah, you're right. qntra was a bold step into the darkness, perhaps too bold. trying it with coding is taking a bold ~train trip~ into the wilderness. << Well with Qntra and prose having editorial controls helps to level the problem. I can not imagine a similar arbiter existing for code. [21:51]
asciilifeform time is the less immediately-suicidal variant - all you end up with is a clock-watcher and a lighter wallet [21:51]
trinque the incoherence of it all sets off instinctual rage that if nothing else keeps me hammering away at the wall [21:51]
asciilifeform 'weight' is the killer [21:51]
asciilifeform you have to live with... the code. afterwards. [21:51]
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mircea_popescu ^ [21:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i know precisely one place where this approach worked. [21:52]
asciilifeform 'The practice is pervaded by the reassuring illusion that programs are just devices like any others, the only difference admitted being that their manufacture might require a new type of craftsmen, viz. programmers. From there it is only a small step to measuring "programmer productivity" in terms of "number of lines of code produced per month". This is a very costly measuring unit because it encourages the writing of insipid [21:52]
asciilifeform code, but today I am less interested in how foolish a unit it is from even a pure business point of view. My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger.' [21:52]
mircea_popescu i dunno if you like balzac much, but the only reason the fat lazy fuck exists as a writer is because he had to pay his eternal debts and the newspapers paid by the line. [21:52]
ben_vulpes i'm apparently in the unique situation of reading through all code that gets produced in my shop and having more or less everyone's eyes on everyone's product. [21:53]
asciilifeform [21:53]
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asciilifeform 'On the cruelty of really teaching computing science' (dijkstra) [21:53]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes that'll scale about as well as "i don't need condoms, i only fuck clean girls" [21:53]
ben_vulpes i was just about to say. [21:53]
trinque ben_vulpes: it just occurred to me that perhaps the group could somehow quantify their mutual perception of who has contributed? [21:53]
ben_vulpes NO QUANTIFICATION [21:53]
trinque is that faiaaaiiiirrr? *wiggles eyebrows* [21:53]
mircea_popescu trinque hey, you're really building teh reddit [21:53]
trinque damn it; I did. [21:53]
ben_vulpes you stop it with your mad quest for metriced decisionmaking [21:53]
trinque but doesn't have to be flat [21:54]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes fucks with bigger tits that last longer should be paid more! [21:54]
asciilifeform the group could somehow quantify their mutual perception << l0ll!!! [21:54]
ben_vulpes yeah i do it manually on walks with individual contributors [21:54]
trinque asciilifeform: the fuck; you never do peer code review? [21:54]
asciilifeform nope [21:54]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform clearly has no peers capable of reading his code [21:54]
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ben_vulpes it's actually a manual walking of the shop wot [21:55]
ben_vulpes hm. [21:55]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes trinque well have you looked at the sort of shit he outputs ? [21:55]
ben_vulpes WHATEVER [21:55]
trinque mircea_popescu: doesn't what someone is paid quantify it ultimately anyway? [21:55]
mircea_popescu 4mb bitcoind that doesn't fucking work etc. [21:55]
trinque haha [21:55]
trinque ben_vulpes: right, internal wot, exactly [21:55]
trinque doesn't matter though, nanny bama will burn your house down if you try to introduce hierarchy [21:56]
trinque I can't process that [21:56]
mircea_popescu so i just re-read this article, it's getting to the point where i manage to piss MYSELF off. [21:57]
mircea_popescu i wonder if anyone ever trolled themselves off the internet. [21:57]
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trinque mircea_popescu: which? [22:00]
mircea_popescu the last one. [22:00]
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mircea_popescu ^ check it out, a challenger appears. [22:00]
trinque the write on the screen bit -> my sides [22:01]
mircea_popescu << btw. [22:01]
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mircea_popescu how do you know you REALLY piss people off. [22:01]
asciilifeform lol! [22:02]
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mircea_popescu othar efforts in the same vein. [22:03]
mircea_popescu ahh, i recall the age of the romanian pond, when a bunch of retarded ~romanians~ similarly entertained delusions of, you know, we will HURT THIS GUY!!111 [22:03]
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mircea_popescu because obviously anything's within reach. [22:04]
mircea_popescu meanwhile : [22:06]
mircea_popescu [–]Institutional_Invest 1 point 9 days ago TLDR of this discussion? [22:06]
mircea_popescu [–]wonderkindel 5 points 8 days ago Gavin sees a major shitstorm ahead, does not know of any way out, but hopes that cartels of honest miners will materialize to keep the dream wet. [22:06]
mircea_popescu check it out davout, r/buttcoin gets it ?! [22:06]
ben_vulpes [22:06]
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mircea_popescu lawl [22:06]
mircea_popescu it wasn't javascript [22:07]
mircea_popescu it was xml. [22:07]
mircea_popescu inspired by a post. [22:07]
BingoBoingo lol [22:07]
trinque lol @ notch did minecraft in js [22:09]
ben_vulpes returnofkinks << bahahaha [22:10]
davout mircea_popescu: yeah well, if honest cartels don't make it we can only hope about "maybe assurance contracts, maybe bonded identies tied to transaction fees" [22:10]
mircea_popescu that "assurance contracts" in particular is such insane dumb only hearn could have sprouted it. [22:11]
mircea_popescu do you know how syria could have bombed new york ? [22:11]
mircea_popescu ASSURANCE CONTRACTS! [22:11]
davout they're called difficulty futures goddammit [22:11]
davout XD [22:11]
mircea_popescu a bunch of derps in beirut getting together and agreeing to have bombed new york is how new york will have been bombed. [22:11]
mircea_popescu subjonctive died out in english because it was stupid, time to reimplement it out of javascript and call it something else! [22:12]
mircea_popescu do you know how "the sanctions" destroyed putin ? [22:12]
mircea_popescu by washington agreeing with reddit that they did! [22:12]
mircea_popescu redditardssurance contracts! [22:12]
davout on an other topic, wrt to pogo plug chain sync [22:12]
asciilifeform 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should — in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 — and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to plain forgery. Materi [22:13]
asciilifeform al facts are suppressed, dates altered, quotations removed from their context and doctored so as to change their meaning. Events which it is felt ought not to have happened are left unmentioned and ultimately denied.' (orwell/nationalism) [22:13]
davout i'm kinda hesitating between genius and braindamaged for the following idea: what if the chain gets synced backwards from the top? [22:13]
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davout see a bunch of nodes sorta agreeing on the same chain tip, take it, work backwards to genesis block easily since you can easily fetch previous block, once done verify chain and get back to usual bzns [22:14]
asciilifeform work backwards to genesis block >> or to perdition [22:15]
davout asciilifeform: yeah, there's that but unless you're maliciously partitioned away from the legit network it wouldn't be trivial to fool you [22:17]
davout you'd kinda notice it quickly too if every other node you ask about this (N-1) block tells you to gtfo [22:18]
davout just my 2 gavincoins [22:18]
davout i'm off, laterz [22:18]
asciilifeform blocks=180294 bastards=18412 peak=168M [22:23]
asciilifeform pogo: 187387 [22:23]
mircea_popescu davout how do you know what the top is ? [22:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and how well that worked for the nationalists is evident everwhere around us! [22:24]
mircea_popescu what was the hands-down, no question asked, no doubt possible dominant party and c ultural force of the 1930s ? [22:24]
mircea_popescu anihilated by 1960. [22:25]
mircea_popescu completely gone by 1990. [22:25]
mircea_popescu such success... [22:25]
mircea_popescu that the socialists are doing the same thing... [22:25]
mircea_popescu so what, anihilated by 2020, completely gone by 2050, hopefully we'll be smarter than to do it over. [22:25]
mircea_popescu (but to anyone not quite seeing the world for what it is : yes we are at war, and yes the year is about 1944, and yes the fucking nazis are running the fucking concentration camps and invaded russia and so on and so forth. you had no idera about it, but similarly you had no idea about it in 1944. the only reason this is being an issue is because the introduction of the bitcoin tank/bomber/submarine is massively turning [22:27]
mircea_popescu the tide, and suddenly all sorts of disparate and previously doomed forces are now converging. [22:27]
mircea_popescu you wouldn't have known there's such a thing as "french partisans" if there wasn't a 1945, either) [22:27]
mircea_popescu so no, when i'm talking about hanging each and every us bureaucrat, through a war crimes court, within our lifetime i am not being in any sense and to any degree metaphorical. [22:29]
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danielpbarron i've got archlinux on this thing now [22:38]
danielpbarron i'll look into doing openbsd later once i get the hang of this [22:38]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: << criminal justice mega-lulzmine [22:39]
assbot The Murder Book : Hans Reiser: former genius, convicted murderer and future mad scientist? ... ( ) [22:39]
asciilifeform specifically, [22:39]
asciilifeform 'At one point, before trial, Hans was offered a three-year-sentence if he pled guilty to manslaughter. He refused and will now serve at least 15 years behind bars.)' [22:39]
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BingoBoingo Ah [22:40]
asciilifeform the 'plea bargain' thing works by demonstrative public floggings like this [22:40]
ben_vulpes former genius? [22:41]
ben_vulpes i wonder how that works. [22:41]
asciilifeform !b 2 [22:42]
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asciilifeform it works like this: [22:42]
assbot Logged on 31-01-2015 01:09:34; asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should — in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 — and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our [22:42]
asciilifeform modern state claims sovereignty over not only present, future, but also past. [22:43]
ben_vulpes satoshi the thought-criminal. [22:43]
asciilifeform the easiest, most often reached-for weapon is 'this never happened' [22:44]
asciilifeform if it fails, then, 'thought crime' [22:44]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: iirc, openbsd will not see the nand flash on the 'pogo.' [22:47]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: there may be an experimental driver. [22:47]
danielpbarron oh :< [22:52]
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midnightmagic uh. just for the record, I strongly disagree with plotting the violent overthrow of the USG. I do not, have not, will not, and would not even in the face of violent coercion, consider the use of violent and/or lethal force as a vehicle of governmental change. I am not a seditionist. [22:56]
danielpbarron what about financial overthrow? [22:56]
midnightmagic fair game if it's a peaceful choice on the part of people. [22:57]
asciilifeform 'if you saw a man drowning, and had the choice between saving him and taking a photo, what aperture and exposure settings would you use ?' [22:57]
midnightmagic financial starvation of classic authority structures is the primary reason I am interested in bitcoin: because it allows us to do so without shedding a drop of their blood. [22:58]
* asciilifeform does not expect to outlive usg by very long [23:00]
asciilifeform ^ for reasons described in the 'last psychiatrist' essay linked to by mircea_popescu. [23:00]
asciilifeform midnightmagic: if you're actually expecting to 'starve' the state by using bitcoin, you may end up somewhat disappointed. it lives on flesh, not money. [23:02]
asciilifeform it is worth reading about ancient slave empires [23:03]
asciilifeform particularly relevant here is that of the inca [23:04]
asciilifeform who did not (afaik) make use of money, but had extensive system of slave labour (corvee labour, technically, form of taxation) and the closest thing to a totalitarian state they could pull off under their tech level [23:04]
asciilifeform complete with collectivized agriculture. [23:04]
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asciilifeform notably absent from the picture: fiat (or any other) currency, debased or otherwise [23:05]
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asciilifeform not trying to argue that usg will somehow transmogrify into inca empire when it 'needs to' [23:05]
decimation asciilifeform: "nationalism" strikes me as the wrong word here [23:05]
asciilifeform but that it is not entirely impossible to find a pill against whatever kind of resistance [23:05]
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decimation orwell was probably trying to name his enemies, but 'utopian dreamers' seems more fitting [23:06]
midnightmagic dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here. [23:06]
asciilifeform as described in the mega-super book, 'the art of not being governed' (j.c.scott) [23:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i forget, who is hans reiser ? [23:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: reiserfs. [23:06]
mircea_popescu i wonder how that works. << drugs are bad mkay ? [23:06]
decimation he was the guy who wrote a filesytem; murdered his mail order bridge later [23:06]
decimation lol s/bridge/bride [23:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: killed (reasonably certainly) wife [23:06]
* asciilifeform still uses reiserfs... [23:07]
midnightmagic so. no offence, I'm pretty sure you guys aren't actually real seditionists, but I wanted to be on the record about what I think about violence. [23:07]
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asciilifeform midnightmagic: 4 times is probably enough for the nsa tape [23:07]
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mircea_popescu midnightmagic i added it to the bash for you. once jurov or some mod gets around to looking at it it may even show up [23:08]
mircea_popescu pity deedbot's temporarily dead. [23:08]
* asciilifeform envisions meeting midnightmagic at neighbouring gallows: 'but i....' [23:08]
joecool reiser4 is an excellent fs, i used to talk to some of his employees back when i maintained a patchset [23:08]
mircea_popescu financial starvation of classic authority structures is the primary reason I am interested in bitcoin: because it allows us to do so without shedding a drop of their blood. << this is a good principle. however, people starve best if they are surrounded by barbed wire manned by other people firmly decided to escalate force to any degree. [23:08]
joecool too bad he had to shove nina in lost+found [23:09]
decimation midnightmagic: you would not resort to violence under any circumstances? [23:09]
mircea_popescu so... yes. for as long as the usg is willing to die peacefully, it will die peacefully. and if it wishes to try and make a break for it, all the same, it will die bloodily. [23:09]
mircea_popescu the only point not in contention : it will die. [23:09]
mircea_popescu and i will be there to piss on its grave. [23:09]
midnightmagic decimation: justified violence can take many forms including self-defence from immediate and credible threats to life and limb. [23:09]
mircea_popescu not trying to argue that usg will somehow transmogrify into inca empire when it 'needs to' << ballas is fundamentally (if perhaps unaware-ly) arguing that it already has. that's where his numerous psychanalisis pieces on the public mindset converge. [23:11]
asciilifeform aha [23:11]
midnightmagic wolman also agrees [23:11]
asciilifeform presently the corvee labour is proxy, through taxation and debasement [23:11]
asciilifeform if these somehow hiccup - then direct. [23:11]
ben_vulpes uh. just for the record << lol what inspired this insipid bit of authority pandering? [23:12]
mircea_popescu hey, guy's entitled to his own position. [23:12]
ben_vulpes i'm just amused at the presentation [23:12]
midnightmagic ben_vulpes: As opposed to what? Pandering to the likes of you? [23:12]
mircea_popescu zing. [23:12]
midnightmagic please. [23:13]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic no, srsly, that was good >D [23:13]
ben_vulpes it'd be cool man! [23:13]
ben_vulpes like the first time anyone's ever done so! [23:13]
ben_vulpes you could be the first! best! [23:13]
mircea_popescu quite. [23:13]
asciilifeform let's all xxxxxxxx. [23:13]
ben_vulpes normally i'm brushed off like a fly. [23:14]
ben_vulpes it's your lucky day! [23:14]
mircea_popescu basically, he's not the right age to run away from home with you vulpes. [23:14]
ben_vulpes shame, that. [23:14]
* asciilifeform notes for the record (tm) that he is not in favour of deposing glorious fuhrer kim jong un, as that would be criminal, seditious, murderous, immoral... [23:14]
mircea_popescu possibly also not the right gender. [23:14]
ben_vulpes nah, plenty of labor to go around. [23:14]
ben_vulpes solar troughs don't build themselves. [23:14]
mircea_popescu i am in favour of deposing any kim, just as long as a) it's done violently and b) not by the us. [23:14]
asciilifeform hey kakobrekla, can we have a '! oath ' - returns 'plotting or fomenting the physical murder of is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.' [23:15]
asciilifeform e.g., [23:16]
mircea_popescu i would like to learn more about how one can make money by renting out the space inside his nose. [23:16]
asciilifeform !oath kennedy [23:16]
mircea_popescu incidentally, is sedition actually still a crime [23:16]
ben_vulpes yup! [23:17]
trinque pretty sure the round of patriot legislation covered everything [23:17]
asciilifeform nobody cancelled it [23:17]
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mircea_popescu oh there's that. [23:17]
ben_vulpes you gotta swear to all sortsa funny stuff [23:17]
trinque good ol enabling act [23:17]
ben_vulpes including not calling the funny stuff funny [23:17]
ben_vulpes don't call the funny stuff funny, midnightmagic, they might erect you your own gibbet [23:18]
asciilifeform that's the thing with sucking state cock, it's infinitely long [23:18]
mircea_popescu In 1981, Oscar López Rivera, a Puerto Rican Nationalist and Vietnam war veteran, was convicted and sentenced to 70 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and various other offenses. He was among the 16 Puerto Rican nationalists offered conditional clemency by U.S. President Bill Clinton in 1999, but he rejected the offer. His sister, Zenaida López, said he refused the offer because on parole, he would be in "prison [23:18]
mircea_popescu outside prison." López Rivera is said to be "among the longest held political prisoners in the history of Puerto Rico and in the world." He has been jailed for 33 years, 8 months and 1 day. [23:18]
asciilifeform throat - finitely deep [23:18]
mircea_popescu yep, check it out. [23:18]
midnightmagic sedition has never not been a crime. [23:19]
mircea_popescu who knew the us holds the record for "longest held political prisoner" [23:19]
asciilifeform ;;google treason never prospers for the reason [23:19]
gribble Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper ...: ; Treason - Wikiquote: ; John Harington (inventor) - Wikiquote: [23:19]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic you have to excuse me, i come from a jurisdiction where sedition is considered the right and proper attitude of the citizen. [23:19]
mircea_popescu and has been, for centuries. [23:19]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I'm not surprised by that sort of record. :( Their prison population is a disgrace to humanity. [23:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite exactly that. [23:19]
* trinque mumbles something jefferson something... sighs [23:20]
ben_vulpes nah, give up trinque [23:20]
asciilifeform at least we can take copies of 'declaration of independence' (the u.s. one, not mircea_popescu's...) to jail now [23:20]
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trinque ben_vulpes: oh I have [23:20]
asciilifeform at least if 'it was not used in the commission of the crimes' [23:20]
trinque still, he said that much [23:20]
asciilifeform (as per the barrett brown sentence) [23:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "he bitchslapped the officer with a large print version of the complete tax code" [23:21]
asciilifeform pretty sure complete copy would leave a man not only dead but street pizza [23:21]
midnightmagic I'm not sure but I think that non-US citizens can't be tried for treason.. [23:21]
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mircea_popescu midnightmagic im sure the usg thinks it can do anything it pleases. [23:21]
trinque midnightmagic: what in the fuck treason do you think you've committed by being within earshot of a discussion of history [23:22]
mircea_popescu Laura Berg, a nurse at a U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs hospital in New Mexico was investigated for sedition in September 2005 after writing a letter to the editor of a local newspaper, accusing several national leaders of criminal negligence. Though their action was later deemed unwarranted by the director of Veteran Affairs, local human resources personnel took it upon themselves to request an FBI investigation. [23:23]
mircea_popescu Ms. Berg was represented by the ACLU. Charges were dropped in 2006. [23:23]
mircea_popescu On March 28, 2010, nine members of the Hutaree militia were arrested and charged with crimes including seditious conspiracy. [23:23]
mircea_popescu apparently quite alive and kicking, as a legal device. [23:23]
mircea_popescu erryday a new reason to not want to be an usian. [23:23]
asciilifeform hutaree charges were dropped, iirc [23:23]
asciilifeform they may have been an unsuccessful 'death ray' gambit. [23:23]
mircea_popescu yeah. [23:24]
asciilifeform !s new york death ray [23:24]
assbot 10 results for 'new york death ray' : [23:24]
asciilifeform ^ intro for n00bs [23:24]
mircea_popescu "Three members pled guilty to possessing a machine gun and were sentenced to time served." [23:25]
asciilifeform odd [23:25]
asciilifeform ianal, but that's a 5-year minimal [23:25]
mircea_popescu well who knows what happened thar. [23:26]
mircea_popescu ah, plea bargain. [23:26]
asciilifeform at this point one can probably 'plea bargain' to witchcraft [23:27]
asciilifeform or killing president garfield [23:27]
trinque "seditious intent" [23:27]
asciilifeform 'erryday a new reason to not want to be an usian' >>>>> 'every day a new reason not to want to be dragged behind a truck until nothing remains on the rope but a flap of skin' [23:27]
trinque you know, like raping someone with your eyes [23:28]
mircea_popescu 18 U.S.C. § 2384 "If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or p [23:28]
mircea_popescu ossess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both." [23:28]
mircea_popescu immunity granted by gtfo. [23:28]
mircea_popescu "The federal government has never won a sedition case against militia-types, white supremacists, or neo-Nazis. Since World War I, they have won numerous seditious conspiracy cases against Puerto Rican independentistas, communists and others on the left, but no one on the radical right has ever been convicted of plotting to overthrow by force of arms the government of the United States." [23:28]
asciilifeform just don't sail on a flagless semi-submersible boat. [23:28]
mircea_popescu or, apparently, by not being a libertard. [23:28]
asciilifeform or work in a nuclear program [23:28]
asciilifeform these - apparently - are specifically (inverse?)extraterritorial [23:29]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic seems you're safe enough here. careful in #gavincoin-assets tho [23:29]
mircea_popescu the above being also an interesting consideration for they who wish to argue "the libertards are in charge". pls start from that and let me hear the logic. [23:30]
trinque anyone else from the US want to piss himself publically? [23:30]
asciilifeform midnightmagic: you won't be going to jail for sedition. it'll be something more prosaic, like 'conspiracy to manufacture a controlled substance' [23:31]
asciilifeform (do you have a garage? garden shed? did you take chemistry in school? probably guilty.) [23:32]
mircea_popescu come to think of it... bitcoin not being money, not really a good... clearly it is a SUBSTANCE, right ? [23:32]
mircea_popescu it gotta be something. [23:32]
mircea_popescu so therefore... [23:32]
trinque it's economic warfare [23:32]
asciilifeform !s financial terrorism [23:32]
assbot 0 results for 'financial terrorism' : [23:32]
asciilifeform [23:33]
asciilifeform ^ him [23:33]
assbot Bernard von NotHaus: The 'Domestic Terrorist' You Can Call a Hero ... ( ) [23:33]
asciilifeform ‘Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism. While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country. We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challen [23:33]
asciilifeform ge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.‘ [23:33]
asciilifeform (prosecutor) [23:33]
* Dr-G2 (~Dr-G@gateway/tor-sasl/dr-g) has joined #bitcoin-assets [23:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in practice what he did is not really defensible tho. [23:34]
mircea_popescu it's not much unlike someone going around trying to pass gavincoin for "real bitcoin", which we don't stand for. [23:34]
asciilifeform nothaus was a diagnosable idiot [23:34]
asciilifeform just the right candidate for 'death ray' [23:34]
asciilifeform but, interestingly, [23:35]
assbot Beyond Bernard von NotHaus - The New York Sun ... ( ) [23:35]
trinque ;;gettrust midnightmagic [23:35]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask midnightmagic!~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic. Trust relationship from user trinque to user midnightmagic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Mar 7 15:45:54 2011 [23:35]
mircea_popescu We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.‘ << this part is the funniest, incidentally, considering the APPALLING record of usg agents trying to infiltrate a god damnd public channel so far. [23:35]
trinque I'm gonna head out; man that pissed me off [23:35]
* asciilifeform still thinks we get the discount-shelf infiltrators here [23:36]
asciilifeform srsly, e.g., mr. spam ? [23:36]
mircea_popescu nah. [23:36]
mircea_popescu horvath's just an eager idiot. [23:36]
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mircea_popescu if oyu carefully read the log, you'll see a couple explicitly exposed tho. [23:37]
asciilifeform i remember the dude from ro [23:37]
mircea_popescu such lol [23:37]
mircea_popescu anyway, off to eat brb [23:37]
BingoBoingo So who what's to test qntra's new, more modern CSS? [23:43]
asciilifeform blocks=183670 bastards=23739 peak=206M [23:44]
asciilifeform pogo: 187845 [23:44]
asciilifeform inference, with only a small leap, is that orphanage-burner testatron would have oomkilled precisely one time, had it ran under 128M constraint [23:47]
asciilifeform the logical thing to do, for it, would be to jettison the entire orphanage if approaching the hard limit [23:47]
asciilifeform this would require replacement of allocator (as suggested in thread from 2 days ago) [23:47]
asciilifeform who the hell writes a program as hungry as this, that is entirely unaware of its own resource consumption and lacks any feedback mechanism ? [23:48]
* asciilifeform knows how/why but still bewildered that no one has at any point seen it fit to bolt on basic sanity [23:48]
asciilifeform hanbot: figure in question is ram footprint [23:49]
asciilifeform not in the experimental 'orphanage burner' build [23:50]
asciilifeform l0lz [23:50]
* asciilifeform hoists jolly roger: [23:51]
assbot ... ( ) [23:51]
asciilifeform ^ also happens to explain the memory thing [23:52]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes et al: happen to remember what block height was at the time 0.5.3 was current? if this is in the log, i have utterly failed to find it [23:54]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: dude from ro? [23:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74500 @ 0.00040996 = 30.542 BTC [-] {2} [23:59]
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