Forum logs for 29 Jan 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform almost like these folks specifically anticipated what we are doing here. [00:00]
asciilifeform and didn't much care to see it go easily [00:00]
mircea_popescu well, no, actually yhat's it : they have been trying to break it, and irretrievably so. [00:00]
mircea_popescu they hadn't anticipated exactly how easy it is to get killed doing it. [00:00]
mircea_popescu and to think, two years of effort, gone. all those "salaries", suddenly unjustified. [00:02]
mircea_popescu all the pissy handlers. all the impatient phone calls. the embarassment of the recent fed paper. [00:02]
mircea_popescu if only nightmares could scream. [00:02]
* trinque reaches the top of the pile, switches to deedbot dev [00:08]
BingoBoingo So many mega lulz in the Barret Brown pile [00:16]
BingoBoingo [00:17]
assbot San Francisco Deputy Public Defender Arrested For Intervening Between Police And Her Client « CBS San Francisco ... ( ) [00:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10262 @ 0.00043147 = 4.4277 BTC [+] [00:18]
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BingoBoingo Also Matonis spreading the @qntra tweets over and over again, not back to back... [00:19]
assbot Jon Matonis (@jonmatonis) | Twitter ... ( ) [00:19]
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* BingoBoingo wonders when he will realize... he can submit writing too as he atones for that unfortunate Foundation episode... [00:19]
pete_dushenski matonis is a pretty strong writer too [00:20]
* BingoBoingo anticipates though a Matonis submits a piece to qntra BitBet would fall in the BadBets pile. [00:22]
pete_dushenski just plunk down a coin on one side or the other and away you go [00:24]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Nah, funding obvious badbets is what kicks the Bitbet mixer into action. And BitBet mixer is best mixer [00:25]
BingoBoingo 1+1=99 [00:27]
pete_dushenski i guess i'm more of a gambling man [00:27]
pete_dushenski or at least the kind of (young) man that finds claims more interesting when there's something at stake [00:28]
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mike_c ;;seen mod6 [00:32]
gribble mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: maybe i can whip something out [00:32]
ben_vulpes OH GOOD EVENING [00:32]
* ben_vulpes sees "glue with broken glass" in scrollback [00:32]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Well, the Serena William match starts in about an hour. Australian Open semifinals. Plenty of time to find a shady book. [00:33]
pete_dushenski you betting on black BingoBoingo ? [00:33]
BingoBoingo Odds are favorable for betting the underdog. [00:33]
BingoBoingo I am betting on not Serena. [00:33]
mod6 im workin on it [00:33]
ben_vulpes [] looking at recent releases, found that the whole orphans mechanism was screwed with to the point of unrecognizability << most everything [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40700 @ 0.00043255 = 17.6048 BTC [+] {2} [00:34]
ben_vulpes although interestingly recently the asshats were making fun of linux committers for calling "large refactors" "antisocial" [00:34]
mike_c hey mod6, were you able to get libdb4.8 with apt-get? [00:34]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Yes Serena can win, but... odd suggest otherwise even though I'd prefer a different opponent to bet on. [00:34]
ben_vulpes mike_c: in my experiments i had to manually download the 4.8 sources. [00:34]
mike_c or did you have to download it directly [00:34]
ben_vulpes this is why i pushed for deb 6 as our build target [00:35]
ben_vulpes then..."ghost". [00:35]
mike_c well, i just installed deb 6 [00:35]
ben_vulpes how are you handling the ghost vulnerability? [00:35]
mike_c i'll deal with that tomorrow. one problem at a time :) [00:35]
ben_vulpes i'm reluctant to include patches for deb 6 in the "fundation"'s domain. [00:35]
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BingoBoingo this is why i pushed for deb 6 as our build target << I though a lesson of Pogo is cheap was any sane *nix is target [00:35]
ben_vulpes oh all *nixen are the same nao? [00:36]
* ben_vulpes doesn't know anything about anything [00:37]
ben_vulpes or perhaps message is that deb is not sane nix [00:37]
ben_vulpes an argument i've no basis to contest [00:37]
mike_c i blame the foundation. i'm following your noob guide. [00:37]
ben_vulpes gtfo ghost is less than a week old [00:37]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: It's that something that works on one *nix the right way should work on most of them. [00:38]
ben_vulpes straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers << hey might not even have to foot the bill for con4 whaddaya think mod6 ;P [00:38]
nubbins` ;D [00:38]
ben_vulpes i must confess to not having worked through ascii's hateful tar yet [00:39]
* ben_vulpes cracks the archive [00:39]
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asciilifeform had to manually download the 4.8 sources << for my crossdev buildatron, you have to. [00:44]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Ah it is some American girl named Keys my money is on. [00:44]
asciilifeform debian << it's distro-agnostic, incidentally [00:44]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Just beat the other Williams sister too. [00:44]
asciilifeform (buildatron, that is) [00:44]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: [00:45]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: tar << self-explanatory in the comments [00:45]
assbot 2015 Australian Open -- Women's quarterfinals - ESPN ... ( ) [00:45]
ben_vulpes indeed. i'm enjoying reading your work. [00:46]
asciilifeform lol, it's a sh script [00:46]
asciilifeform not much there. [00:46]
asciilifeform but works. [00:46]
ben_vulpes okay! i'm off for a few - going to hack on deedbot with trinque nao [00:46]
asciilifeform when used as prescribed (tm) [00:46]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: odds? [00:51]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I got in at about 5.5 time my stake this afternoon. [00:51]
* BingoBoingo doesn't want to endorse any shady non-BitBet book in chan [00:52]
pete_dushenski that's a healthy slope [00:52]
pete_dushenski heck, i'd offer 5:1 for 0.1 btc [00:53]
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BingoBoingo Well Anything less than 10 when facing Serena has been +ev for me. I tend to bet just enough to raise the projected winning to around and even BTC. This time though I went smaller [00:53]
pete_dushenski ^anyone may take [00:54]
* BingoBoingo prefers making these bets on the shady books for the purpose of rescuing BTC from less responsible hands [00:54]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo help the guy get in the wot, why not. [00:57]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The invitation's been extended on a platform he monitors (Twatter). If he wants in it is his turn to move. [01:00]
mircea_popescu okay! i'm off for a few - going to hack on deedbot with trinque nao < ?! lol [01:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo works [01:01]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: If Matonis is more comfortable tweeting qntra articles and hanging around the margins, he knows the invite is out there. As much as the Vessennes episode seemed to burn him I can not fault him if he wants to take some time before committing to allegiances in the future. Especially since being older, but not yet a codger he likely has ropes to contend with. [01:03]
mircea_popescu sure. [01:04]
mike_c would be nice if this script wasn't polluted with html tags.. [01:04]
assbot ... ( ) [01:04]
mircea_popescu "The #OWS demo wants to see powerful men humbled before the t-shirted, tweeting masses, it allows them the fantasy that it could some day happen here, which it won't because the propaganda worked." [01:04]
mircea_popescu ha-HA! it will, because we happened. [01:04]
mircea_popescu except, it won't be men in usg-blue shirts humbled before tshirted croc wearing crowd, [01:05]
mircea_popescu it will be both, before pornmonging physchopats etc. [01:05]
asciilifeform gotta ask, [01:05]
asciilifeform what is a 'croc' ? [01:05]
mircea_popescu bad plastic shoes [01:05]
asciilifeform crock of shit ? [01:05]
asciilifeform lol [01:05]
mircea_popescu if you recall the soviet vairant, you know why it's so funny. [01:05]
asciilifeform aha. [01:05]
pete_dushenski "comfiest shoes ever" [01:06]
pete_dushenski also "ugliest" [01:06]
mircea_popescu (it's almost exactly the same, minus the exact cutouts - much like the recent "3d fad" is exactly the 80s same thing, rehashed" [01:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79550 @ 0.000434 = 34.5247 BTC [+] {3} [01:06]
asciilifeform 'history rhymes' [01:06]
lobbes mircea_popescu: thanks for exposing me to tlp. I especially enjoyed 'hipsters on foodstamps' [01:07]
BingoBoingo what is a 'croc' ? << Plastic clog footwear sold in mall walkways. Watchstand I worked at has a croc dealer as a neighbor. Things seem practical as an alternative shoe for some kinds of boating and little else. [01:07]
mircea_popescu lobbes i dun recall who invented him here. mebbe bb ? [01:07]
BingoBoingo I might have. If I did it was prolly the rum fountain episode that so enamoured TheNewDeal [01:08]
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BingoBoingo Look at the bug wandering into future amber [01:08]
assbot This critique of /yanisvaroufakis is way less convincing than Varoufakis's critique of bitcoin. [01:08]
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mircea_popescu yeah well, apple pie is probably a lot more convincing than working out. [01:09]
mircea_popescu "convincing" is not a criterion. [01:10]
asciilifeform re: mapOrphanBlocks: there is some confusion of terminology in the source. the orphan blocks in question are not the orphan blocks spoken of usually (i.e. blocks on dead ends of the tree) but rather any block for which the antecedent is not yet loaded by the node [01:10]
asciilifeform hence the nondeterminism. the blocks arrive in braindamaged order and are not sorted in any intelligent way [01:10]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "I write about finance for Institutional Investor and sport and other stuff for The Guardian. In January I'll be directing @dissrupt2015." [01:10]
mircea_popescu derp. [01:10]
asciilifeform nor does is fetching mechanism steered [01:10]
mircea_popescu when your enemy says this ain't convincing you just scored. [01:11]
asciilifeform and wtf is with the two entirely disjoint concepts named 'orphan' [01:11]
aabtc adlai aegis Alina-malina Anduck Apocalyptic artifexd asciilifeform assbot Azelphur [01:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform oyu don't understand how the world works!!1 [01:11]
asciilifeform i'm assuming everybody else here who read the thing, was stumped similarly [01:11]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well Slate is conviced housing will boost Merica's economy instead of America's housing customs coalescing into multi-generational domiciles common in much of the unbezzel'd world [01:11]
assbot Millennials living with parents: We just can't leave the nest apparently ... ( ) [01:11]
mircea_popescu "we're just seeking a power structure" [01:12]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: actually! [01:12]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the town where i live is being slowly converted into gigantic sov-style communal flats (officially, 'student housing', in practice - they will live their whole lives therein) [01:12]
asciilifeform that great invention, communal flat, has won over the americans. [01:13]
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asciilifeform four bois/gurlz to a flat, room each, one shitter, one kitchenette, tv pit. [01:14]
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mircea_popescu clearly the american dream has won out : they live now like the romanian girls i used to fuck in the 80s. [01:14]
mircea_popescu such victory of socialism. [01:14]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Happens here too. Also common are parents who overbought house a decade ago apportioning space to their adult spawn to use as residence. One family I know Daughter has upstairs, son basement, deedholders floor 1. Much of their subdivisions households have similarly organized. [01:15]
asciilifeform the variant described above is the 'luxury' btw. [01:15]
BingoBoingo Of course [01:16]
asciilifeform for those with slightly less-loaded parents, same arrangement informally, with higher density [01:16]
asciilifeform and more vermin [01:16]
punkman ^ super common around here [01:16]
asciilifeform in converted victorian houses [01:16]
asciilifeform i saw the insides of a few, when peeking around to rent a house last year [01:16]
mircea_popescu clearly, the rich are very very affraid of this scum. [01:17]
asciilifeform (ended up with a normal one) [01:17]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You only get converted victorian houses there because your region has a history of being populated. [01:17]
mike_c mod6: you interested in feedback on this script? [01:17]
mircea_popescu let us now wonder and inquire and soulsearch as to why-oh-why tuberculosis, syphilis and lice are on the raise in san francisco [01:17]
asciilifeform it was a mindfuck. went to see this one place, it had... 8 bois/gurlz [01:17]
mircea_popescu you know, the "silicon valley" [01:17]
asciilifeform owner introduces, says, 'this fella wants the place' [01:17]
asciilifeform they 'which room' [01:18]
mircea_popescu lol [01:18]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In this region that flavor is still mostly confined to close proximity to universities. [01:18]
asciilifeform me: 'what room' [01:18]
punkman hah [01:18]
asciilifeform it had the oddest heater i've ever seen [01:18]
asciilifeform something quite like a jet engine, mounted in the cellar [01:18]
asciilifeform blowing through a grate in floors one and two [01:18]
asciilifeform vertically. [01:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform now tell me that taking the whole raft/8pack of dumbass chickies on a dogfoot pellets / leather belts and canes diet isn't somnething THEY should pay you for. [01:18]
asciilifeform you stand on the grate and peer in the fiery abyss. [01:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol i wasn't thinking of subleasing them [01:19]
mircea_popescu jus' sayin'. [01:19]
asciilifeform they'd be out on their arses [01:19]
BingoBoingo blowing through a grate in floors one and two << Rather common in the middle west in houses converted from boiler radiator arrangement to "central heat" [01:19]
mircea_popescu and yet these are the derps going on about "intrinsic worth" on reddit. [01:19]
asciilifeform but i didn't take that building, owner refused to carry out construction work i wanted. [01:19]
mircea_popescu it'd better be *intrinsic* knamean ? [01:19]
asciilifeform lol! [01:20]
asciilifeform it was surreal, seeing how these folks each live in room the size of toilet in my old flat [01:21]
mircea_popescu one has trouble comprehending why the "conferences" are so exciting [01:21]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But they all have CentiPads [01:21]
asciilifeform and with tv each, some books (all school-related, counted), titanic piles of clothing forming a kind of underbrush in each [01:21]
mircea_popescu then one goes into their dwellings, and understands why catered rubber chicken is a step up [01:21]
asciilifeform aha. [01:21]
asciilifeform most zoologically educational experience i had in years. [01:22]
BingoBoingo then one goes into their dwellings, and understands why catered rubber chicken is a step up << the same 8 to an initially clean hotel room to them counts as luxury [01:22]
BingoBoingo Note in the slate article the differential between Boys and Girls moving back in with the parents. A surprising part of the differential is girls moving in with the boy's parents. [01:25]
mike_c well look at that. thanks foundation! [01:25]
assbot ... ( ) [01:25]
mike_c relatively painless. [01:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79300 @ 0.00043257 = 34.3028 BTC [-] [01:25]
asciilifeform 'Right now, the U.S. household formation rate (essentailly the pace at which people, typically young adults, are moving out on their own) is incredibly low. When it speeds up, you'll see more demand for housing, and the things that come along with it, like appliances, furniture, televisions, and so forth. So, you know, just think of this graph as increasing potential.' << mega-lol! [01:27]
asciilifeform ~= 'think of this sinking titanic as increasing potential! when it hits the bottom of the sea, it will inevitably bounce up, with such strength that it will fly to the moon !111!' [01:28]
mod6 it's coming.... [01:32]
asciilifeform well, it half-works. [01:33]
asciilifeform [01:33]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2014 06:37:37; asciilifeform: soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.' [01:33]
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asciilifeform from my understanding, u.s. civilian real estate chumpmeisters are split into two camps - the optimists, who intend to buy the old folks' homes using 'reverse mortgages' - pensions, appealing to folks with destroyed or absent savings, which bargain away the property - and then sell them back to young chumps; [01:35]
asciilifeform and realists, who are building kommunalki. [01:35]
asciilifeform the latter, in the initial designs are laughably low-density - but can always be packed tighter. [01:36]
asciilifeform and tighter. [01:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00042991 = 19.7329 BTC [-] {2} [01:37]
mircea_popescu wd mike_c :D [01:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^ someone did it eh [01:37]
mike_c only couple minor mods to the foundation script were needed [01:38]
asciilifeform mike_c: what that mod6's script, or mine ? [01:38]
mike_c mod6 [01:38]
asciilifeform aha [01:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform dishonestly is by now so much the way of life in the us that no sane businessman intending to sell slum dwellings can possibly proceed in any other manner than by pretending it's low density. [01:39]
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asciilifeform aha, how else. [01:39]
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mircea_popescu like that, it works. but god help him if he did something like "tight housing for poor folks like you" [01:40]
mircea_popescu burned at stake. [01:40]
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asciilifeform no one paints 'gasenwagen' on the van. they paint 'kaiser kaffee'. [01:40]
pete_dushenski mike_c: what tweaks did it take to get it going on deb6? [01:41]
mike_c had to manual download and dpkg the libdb4.8 packages [01:41]
mike_c a few of the gpg lines had an extraneous dash in them that was causing error [01:42]
mike_c and the script could only be run once because it fails if it doesn't import the 3 keys, which only happens the first itme you run it [01:42]
mike_c but all in all, worked like a champ. [01:43]
pete_dushenski sweet. wd [01:43]
mircea_popescu mike_c what is this running on ? pc ? [01:43]
mike_c yup [01:43]
mircea_popescu cool. [01:43]
mike_c i absolutely love how little code there is and how fast it built. feels right, as opposed to monstrous build process for recent codebases. [01:44]
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mircea_popescu ayup. [01:44]
mircea_popescu foundation definitely going the right path. [01:44]
asciilifeform as opposed to monstrous build process for recent codebases << gnu autoconf is the culprit 99% [01:44]
asciilifeform of the time. [01:45]
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decimation re: walnut creek < I remember. I also remember when you could get shareware by mailorder catalog - on floppies [01:45]
mircea_popescu pre gates. [01:45]
asciilifeform autoconf, what a sad joke. so often dwarfs the proggy it's distributed with! [01:45]
mod6 mike_c: o/ neat pic :) [01:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69200 @ 0.00042441 = 29.3692 BTC [-] {2} [01:47]
asciilifeform decimation: i admit to having been mildly surprised to learn today that vanished years ago. i sorta expected some shrivelled, mummufied husk to still be there. [01:47]
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asciilifeform the evil things of that time - all are still there, in some zombie form (aol, yahoo, microshit) [01:48]
asciilifeform the bright things - vanished [01:48]
mircea_popescu << so as the trafic grows, the women and aa demographics continue to shrink. [01:48]
assbot Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast [01:48]
asciilifeform who remembers the finnish ftp search engine? [01:48]
decimation ibiblio is still around [01:48]
asciilifeform nothing like it was built again [01:48]
asciilifeform (i'd love to know why) [01:48]
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* decimation got internet in 1994, only had bbs before that [01:49]
* decimation feels sorry for kids who grew up with the internet and guis [01:50]
BingoBoingo !up Rozal [01:51]
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lobbes decimation: worse is the kids today growing up with iTurds attached to their hands [01:53]
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decimation lobbes: indeed. born consumers [01:54]
BingoBoingo decimation: worse is the kids today growing up with iTurds attached to their hands << Or people who because of persistent other interest feel themselves trapped in "consumer" platform [01:54]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wat ? [01:54]
decimation re: autoconf << horrible. whoever thought it was a good idea to write 'magic autoconfigure' in 'm4' ought to be negrated [01:55]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Music typesetting, Video editting, and other hobby pursuits tend to be adventures that lock people into Winshit or Mac shit for too long [01:55]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: just about everyone knows an 'arts type' with his photoshit [01:55]
decimation video editing may be, but there are plenty of perfectly functional music typesetting add-ons for TeX [01:56]
mike_c lol. the "other" foundation also had a release [01:56]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Right. [01:56]
asciilifeform decimation: typesetting - not sequencing [01:56]
asciilifeform (a sequencer typically has provisions for playback, and entry from external device) [01:56]
BingoBoingo ^ Yes [01:56]
asciilifeform as well as moving, well, sequences, around. [01:57]
* decimation believes that a dedicated machine ought to handle both of those functions [01:57]
* decimation remembers editing video on 'video toaster' [01:57]
BingoBoingo For music there are dedicated machines. Just... when composing writing to staff paper analogue and playing back is a huge timesaver when getting the headmusic out. [01:58]
Rozal Thank you BingoBoingo [01:59]
decimation just because one edits videos on a computer doesn't the same hardware must also be used to surf the web [01:59]
BingoBoingo Rozal: Still neither removing my rating or engaging you in private discussion... ever [01:59]
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Rozal No worries, I'm here to listen and participate. I used to trade assets in the btct days [02:00]
asciilifeform decimation: with the disappearance of forced use of tape to push the requisite bit heaps, no longer any reason for dedicated 'video computer' [02:00]
asciilifeform aside from the twirly-knobs [02:00]
mike_c asciilifeform: [02:01]
assbot bitcoin-qt out-of-virtual-address-space problem · Issue #2353 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( ) [02:01]
mike_c "Since 0.9.0 the number of orphan blocks that is stored has been restricted, so this immediate issue should be fixed." [02:01]
asciilifeform why the fuck does it even fetch block n when n-1 is not present ? [02:02]
asciilifeform who conceived of this, and on what drug [02:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00043859 = 14.8243 BTC [+] {2} [02:02]
BingoBoingo [02:02]
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assbot nobodybelievesyou comments on New Coinbase Bitcoin Exchange Is the Best One Yet ... ( ) [02:02]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: SPEED!!! [02:02]
asciilifeform more like retardation [02:03]
asciilifeform (what kind of dope is a direct opposite of 'speed' ?) [02:03]
asciilifeform chlorpromazine ? [02:04]
BingoBoingo Close [02:04]
BingoBoingo Clozapine is probably closer to an exact opposite [02:04]
BingoBoingo Either that or good old vitamin H [02:05]
asciilifeform << lol! [02:05]
assbot Chlorpromazine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [02:05]
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* BingoBoingo uses the traditional vitamin H, haloperidol as an example not pop culture Horse drug [02:06]
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decimation "like that, it works. but god help him if he did something like "tight housing for poor folks like you"" << most us cities have zoning rules specifically banning multiple occupants, multiple buildings, converting house to apartment, etc [02:08]
decimation most even have rules requiring a minimum floor size [02:09]
mike_c so the "fix" was to limit the # of orphan blocks to 750. if that size is exceeded, delete random orphan block from the pool as long as it has no other orphans depending on it. [02:09]
asciilifeform yes. every major population centre. [02:10]
asciilifeform but in practice there are 'grandfathered exceptions' etc [02:10]
asciilifeform because you gotta put all those warm bodies somewhere [02:10]
asciilifeform and (at least presently) the white kidz can't be placed just anywhere [02:10]
decimation asciilifeform: in the tenements owned by the rulemakers of course [02:10]
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cazalla get home from holidays, bouncer autojoins #b-a and our friendly ddosser caught me slippin' [02:12]
BingoBoingo AH [02:12]
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cazalla ;;rate rozal -10 alleged that i stole bitcoin from him, fabricated logs and confessed to doing so, avoid at all costs - my logs here [02:19]
assbot Page not found | ... ( ) [02:19]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rozal has changed from -3 to -10. [02:19]
cazalla fucking cunt put a dent in the first day of my holiday [02:19]
Rozal Yawn [02:21]
Rozal Doesn't effect my business :) [02:21]
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cazalla it will when you go beyond nickles and dimes Rozal [02:22]
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BingoBoingo !up Rozal [02:23]
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Rozal Anyways, I think the matter is closed and I don't wish to create more drama [02:23]
BingoBoingo [02:25]
assbot I'm not even mad, I'm just impressed. - Imgur ... ( ) [02:25]
asciilifeform if there's one thing ancient wots had over ours, it was branding. [02:25]
asciilifeform not the idiot american marketing term [02:25]
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asciilifeform but branding. [02:25]
asciilifeform as in, hot iron. [02:25]
asciilifeform as a pill against 'it won't affect my business' [02:26]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [02:26]
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asciilifeform just picture the sizzling iron, 'S' for sp4mz0r, ... [02:28]
asciilifeform tsssh-ssss. [02:28]
BingoBoingo I will admit to "imagining" [02:28]
mod6 on the last part... [02:29]
mike_c ok, took out the memory caching of orphans. i'll leave it running overnight and see what the memory looks like in the morning. [02:30]
BingoBoingo Saying one's business is unaffected though is almost always a tacit admission one's business prospects have been affected. [02:30]
BingoBoingo ;;rated Rozal [02:31]
gribble You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations Confessed Full Indictment [02:31]
asciilifeform mike_c: unless you were very careful, node may have problems receiving newly born blocks. [02:31]
mike_c i was not careful. question that will be potentially answered: was that the only thing bloating the memory as we stroll from block 150k to 300k. [02:32]
Rozal Hmm, so your implying that it has effected my business [02:32]
Rozal affected* [02:32]
Rozal I use otc for small trades, and haven't had a single bad trade. I think I'll be alright [02:34]
BingoBoingo The world does not merely exist in the present as people fretting about future memory exhaustion demonstrate. [02:34]
cazalla anyways, i bbl, need some sleep after long drive [02:35]
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mircea_popescu o look at that, it's a cazalla! [02:36]
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asciilifeform 169763 [02:41]
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mod6 damn. literally on the last step here. [02:50]
mod6 but apparently you have to be in the src dir to execute the `make -f makefile.unix` successfully. [02:50]
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mod6 maybe i can use this chdir thing [02:51]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: on rereading log - that jet engine heater - exists elsewhere ?! [02:53]
* asciilifeform wants to see photos of it [02:53]
* asciilifeform thought it was unique to that one dump [02:53]
BingoBoingo not "jet engine" shape, but upblowing furnace not uncommon [02:55]
assbot Standard Forced Air Furnaces ... ( ) [02:55]
asciilifeform eh no [02:55]
asciilifeform these are normal forced air furnaces [02:55]
asciilifeform for ducts [02:55]
asciilifeform i have one here. [02:55]
asciilifeform that thing - was actually a cylindrical beast, 3 or so metres tall, ~2 wide [02:56]
asciilifeform enormous propeller inside, and diesel oil tank on other end of room. [02:56]
mod6 ok that worked. [02:57]
mod6 *whew* [02:57]
BingoBoingo Ah, that is less common. Sounds like a fad riding a postwar technology trend [02:57]
asciilifeform was nominally retired in favour of forced-air system clumsily retrofitted (fat hose in each room, shedding insulation) [02:57]
asciilifeform but still there, on account of no one having paid to have it cut with torches and removed [02:57]
mod6 ye ole 3 hour tour [02:57]
BingoBoingo Sounds like standard landlord fare. [02:59]
mod6 root@ip-172-31-10-219:/mnt/btc-dev/build-script-test/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# grep "Bitcoin version" ~/.bitcoin/debug.log [02:59]
mod6 Bitcoin version [02:59]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: found it! turns out, these were called 'floor furnace'. [03:00]
BingoBoingo Aha [03:01]
BingoBoingo Forced only by physics [03:01]
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asciilifeform there was propeller [03:02]
asciilifeform but no ducts [03:02]
BingoBoingo [03:02]
assbot French prisons, long hotbeds of radical Islam, get new scrutiny after Paris attacks - The Washington Post ... ( ) [03:02]
BingoBoingo !up felipelalli [03:02]
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asciilifeform or rather, there was a space between floor 0 and 1 [03:02]
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asciilifeform not sure why that thing made such an impression on me [03:02]
asciilifeform but it did [03:02]
mod6 ok [03:02]
mod6 [03:02]
assbot ... ( ) [03:02]
mod6 it'll need some clean up perhaps... but if anyone wants to give that a shot... i had success with that, about 3 times just now [03:03]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Probably because such unusual solutions tend to leave impressions. I similarly remember house that happened to be along infrequently traveled highway with porch overhand supported by unfinished bark on sections of tree trunk [03:04]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there was also a memorable house that wasn't level. [03:05]
asciilifeform as in, put a marble on the floor and it will roll. [03:05]
BingoBoingo Ah [03:05]
asciilifeform also had what was apparently an extension, with entirely different inclination [03:05]
asciilifeform sinking into the earth [03:05]
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asciilifeform and a 'second floor' that was about 1m tall [03:05]
asciilifeform (converted attic) [03:05]
BingoBoingo DC area is notorious for "settling" issues [03:06]
asciilifeform with the one habitable 10 sq. m. or so, converted into a toilet and gigantic bathtub [03:06]
BingoBoingo Here there tends to be a divide amongst neighborhoods capable of basements and undermined areas where basement might lead to extra unfinished floorspace. [03:07]
BingoBoingo Thanks to the coal mining that happened [03:08]
asciilifeform << here we go! [03:08]
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asciilifeform ^ no, not a nazi crematorium. home furnace. [03:09]
mod6 looks like freddy crugers old furnace [03:09]
mod6 *kruger [03:09]
BingoBoingo [03:10]
assbot The Islamic State’s Dragunov sniper rifles, in photos - The Washington Post ... ( ) [03:11]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: barrel resource ~= 1000 rounds. [03:11]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Barrel is almost always the or a limiting factor [03:11]
asciilifeform [03:12]
assbot Former CIA officer Jeffrey Sterling convicted in leak case - The Washington Post ... ( ) [03:12]
asciilifeform ^ mega-lol [03:12]
asciilifeform this case dragged on for years [03:12]
asciilifeform and involved a hilarious usg idiocy [03:12]
asciilifeform basic summary: [03:12]
mod6 asciilifeform: you try that thing out, or did you build by hand? [03:12]
asciilifeform mod6: not yet [03:12]
mod6 aight. [03:12]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [03:13]
asciilifeform ru nuke man defected with drawings for detonator electronics [03:13]
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asciilifeform it was of no use to usa because, well, had own [03:13]
asciilifeform but they shelved it, for later [03:13]
asciilifeform the 'later' came when another ru nuke jockey defected [03:13]
asciilifeform plans were doctored (subtly embugged) and given to sandia (iirc) labs to test [03:13]
asciilifeform monkeys puttered around for an entire quarter and fixed one of the half dozen or so deliberate mistakes [03:14]
asciilifeform (cia told them nothing) [03:14]
asciilifeform the latter decided it was fit for disinfo use, and sent ru chump to iran to sell it [03:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1300 @ 0.00098007 = 1.2741 BTC [-] {6} [03:14]
asciilifeform he did not know the bugs were deliberate... promptly fixed. [03:14]
BingoBoingo lol [03:14]
asciilifeform like, in minutes. [03:14]
BingoBoingo Physics is a bitch [03:15]
asciilifeform this was leaked by the fella in that picture [03:15]
asciilifeform usg ended up grudgingly trotting out all of the original documents proving that every word was true [03:15]
asciilifeform in order to convict him [03:15]
asciilifeform (they're on 'cryptome') [03:15]
asciilifeform the farce was made public some time around '06, iirc. [03:16]
BingoBoingo I recall in middle and High School hosting some rather complete plans plainly on the public web because of FOIA which have since been memory holed [03:17]
asciilifeform 'The case against Sterling was largely circumstantial — there were no recorded phone conversations or captured e-mail exchanges that show that he leaked classified information to Risen — and that required prosecutors’ to delve deeply into Sterling’s work and the details of Risen’s book. By prosecutors’ account, Sterling was the only potential source who had a relationship with Risen, knew all of the information fro [03:18]
asciilifeform m the chapter at issue and had a motive to discuss his clandestine work. They argued that the book — which suggested that the secret operation might actually have helped further Iran’s nuclear research — was somewhat inaccurate and that it cast Sterling as a hero and the CIA as hapless.' [03:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.0004398 = 11.2589 BTC [+] [03:18]
asciilifeform ^ for those interested. (mostly scans of primary docs) [03:19]
assbot ... ( ) [03:19]
asciilifeform << in other news, 'oh noez, wreckerz!' [03:19]
assbot This alleged Russian spy ring was interested in some very dangerous things - The Washington Post ... ( ) [03:19]
asciilifeform d3st4b1l1z1ng our m4rk3tz! [03:20]
mircea_popescu Rozal: No worries, I'm here to listen and participate. I used to trade assets in the btct days << o boy. [03:20]
mircea_popescu !up Rozal [03:20]
-assbot- You voiced Rozal for 30 minutes. [03:20]
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mircea_popescu mike_c: "Since 0.9.0 the number of orphan blocks that is stored has been restricted, so this immediate issue should be fixed." << not really fixed in any sense. just, counter-kludged. [03:21]
asciilifeform again, reminder for readers, these are -not- orphan blocks in the sense of 'orphaned transactions' and dead tree branches [03:21]
mod6 anyway, let me know how it goes. im out. [03:21]
mod6 later! [03:22]
mircea_popescu maybne the proper term is "parentless" [03:22]
mircea_popescu as opposed to "proper" orphans ? [03:22]
asciilifeform aha. [03:22]
BingoBoingo << popcorn [03:23]
assbot BitcoinStats ... ( ) [03:23]
asciilifeform according to that pile of shit on cryptome, the 'bugs' were mainly omissions of component values in an analogue circuit. [03:26]
asciilifeform because, apparently, no man alive can derive them again [03:26]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo fwiw, you're both prolly making too much of this. [03:26]
asciilifeform without tw3nty y34rz m4nh0urz [03:26]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I honestly at first though cazalla was making too much of this until... Rozal fabircated theft allegations against cazalla, which he would later confess to only when caught in a lie. [03:28]
* mircea_popescu hasn't looked into things. [03:28]
BingoBoingo ;;rated Rozal [03:28]
gribble You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations Confessed Full Indictment [03:28]
asciilifeform 170700. [03:28]
BingoBoingo ^ relevant dramas linked [03:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know im so impressed with that little train engine... [03:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: have one yet ? [03:29]
mircea_popescu nope [03:29]
mircea_popescu i live in the sticks. [03:29]
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asciilifeform can it be had in the land of the colocolo and ocelot ? [03:30]
BingoBoingo Choo Choo [03:30]
mircea_popescu dubious. [03:30]
mircea_popescu if worst comes to worst ima have friends import em when visiting. [03:30]
asciilifeform i'll be sure to bring a few. [03:30]
asciilifeform we can always do a build for whatever nas-gizmotron -is- available down there. [03:31]
mircea_popescu you'll be easy to pick up in the airport. "fetch me the guy that's inside a pile of boxes" [03:31]
mircea_popescu o btw [03:31]
mircea_popescu $conference [03:31]
empyex mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 2 months and 19 days. Estimated cost today: 8.08122669 BTC (Details: ) [03:32]
asciilifeform i'd still rather eat actual food and have to import gizmos, than vice-versa [03:33]
* asciilifeform eats considerably more food than gizmo [03:33]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [03:33]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform defo. [03:35]
mircea_popescu also, gizmos keep. [03:35]
asciilifeform typically. [03:36]
asciilifeform when they don't grow little legs at customs office [03:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: not sure why that thing made such an impression on me << because it's pretty fuckin stupid. [03:36]
mircea_popescu and if custom guy wants to steal the thing to run his own node i dun mind lol. [03:37]
mircea_popescu not like i import the usual sort of teledildonics / ipads [03:37]
asciilifeform lol! [03:38]
asciilifeform [03:39]
assbot widget now with serial console - Imgur ... ( ) [03:39]
mircea_popescu The Post Recommends: Remember Russia? It’s still doomed. [03:40]
mircea_popescu lol [03:40]
asciilifeform ahahaha. [03:40]
asciilifeform (who wants pinout, can find it in thread from 2-3 days ago) [03:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: the farce was made public some time around '06, iirc. << i recall that. i also recall thinking "gee whiz, what a pointless thing nukes actually are." [03:42]
asciilifeform much buck, little bang [03:43]
asciilifeform at least, if sits on shelf. [03:43]
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assbot Cuba demands Guantanamo Bay in return for US ties - Al Jazeera English ... ( ) [04:17]
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mircea_popescu they got their own perople to put in there huh [04:48]
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mats the cubans ought to sublease the place [04:59]
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mats maybe the americans will cover utilities [05:01]
mircea_popescu lol [05:04]
mircea_popescu actually... i doubt obama would mind giving it to them, provided the cia etc still gets to use it. [05:04]
mircea_popescu buncha derps in there nobody knows what to do with anyway [05:05]
mircea_popescu the very dangerous terrorists of not particularly. [05:05]
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fluffypony that is impressive [05:19]
assbot Smallest ever chess program: 487 bytes ... ( ) [05:19]
mircea_popescu 487 bytes ? yeah. [05:20]
xanthyos wow [05:22]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [05:35]
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mircea_popescu phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P << last time we diagnosed this it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it. [12:15]
mircea_popescu long known as a problem, little to do about it because "must have lusers on the internet" [12:16]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk: Google,s fibre offering annoys me for several reasons. << definitely a power grab. [12:17]
nubbins` danielpbarron lel [12:18]
mircea_popescu lol @ dat trezor drama. [12:18]
mircea_popescu "so derps beat you to market ? that's ok, give them half a year they'll hang themselves." [12:18]
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mircea_popescu mats: i have always suspected slush is an idiot << in fairness, i think his involvement with this was more in the lines of typical forum scams (name lending - btw, always a bad idea) [12:21]
mircea_popescu davout: they seem to have the same problem in -dev ,<< top kek :D [12:22]
mircea_popescu davout: the "you're mean to me makes me want to take the opposite view" is pretty priceless in itself << there's an entire generation of fucktards who pretty much run on this software with little else. [12:23]
mircea_popescu how they expect to stay fed and warm is beyond comprehension. but they do so expect. [12:23]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo : check out teh tits. [12:24]
assbot a toca do coelho | Yeppuda Productions ... ( ) [12:24]
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mircea_popescu imagine this shit, i can actually read portuguese straight up! [12:25]
mircea_popescu will wonders never cease. [12:25]
mircea_popescu "Nos primórdios, minha fonte principal de notícias sobre Bitcoin era o Bitcointalk Forum. Mas eu cansei de lá." << first off, my principal source of news on bitcoin was teh tardstalk forum. i got sick of it. [12:26]
lobbes mircea_popescu: how they expect to stay fed and warm is beyond comprehension. << gubment teat, of course [12:28]
mircea_popescu then the discussions re meatpacking yest. "why are landlords slumming them up ?" "because they're basically sheep ?" [12:29]
thestringpuller south parkifying names: Eloqua becomes Elequeef [12:30]
mircea_popescu eloqua ?! [12:31]
mircea_popescu shit, coelho means rabbit ?! omfg. WILL WONDERS! [12:31]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell cazalla im calling you j. coelho henceforth! [12:31]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:31]
thestringpuller He should raise a rabbit named Bugs. [12:33]
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mircea_popescu and a cockroach named goat ? [12:34]
thestringpuller El Gringo Pussygatto [12:36]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell felipelalli actually iirc assbot is not a gribble fork. gribble is supybot, and i dun think kakobreklaa pythons much. i dun actually recall what it was derived from tho. [12:37]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:37]
mircea_popescu that said, is a pretty awesome way to start your own irc bot. [12:39]
assbot Supybook ... ( ) [12:39]
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thestringpuller "I wrote Facebook in the course of a few weeks," said Mark Zuckerberg. The site now "worth" billions, concludes socialisms last stand against its inevitable erosion from humanity. [12:43]
mircea_popescu i guess scratch lottery is the way to beat zuck. [12:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26850 @ 0.00043275 = 11.6193 BTC [+] {2} [12:44]
thestringpuller Except when someone who doesn't deserve money wins, and then you find them in a ditch somewhere with 5 needles in there arm and a crack pipe in their mouth. [12:44]
mircea_popescu !rated felipelalli [12:44]
assbot You rated user felipelalli on 21-Jan-2015, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk.. [12:44]
thestringpuller their* [12:44]
mircea_popescu !unrate felipelalli [12:44]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [12:44]
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mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.unrate.felipelalli:811fb8713831e0da1b08ff8b05f3bc76531e2d3f6864f7a733bbc08409566d52 [12:45]
assbot Successfully unrated felipelalli [12:45]
mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot felipelalli [12:45]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. | | [12:45]
mircea_popescu hory shit i like assbot. curl an' there you go. [12:46]
assbot ... ( ) [12:46]
mircea_popescu who knew the web SUCKED [12:46]
mircea_popescu at least before getting a fucking alternative up and running. like the "white" walls that are just about puke gray. [12:47]
mircea_popescu you won't know until someone brings some white stuff indoors. [12:47]
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thestringpuller aka the GE Reveal marketing campaign :P [12:50]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: [12:54]
asciilifeform 179089 [12:54]
asciilifeform 9 oomkills over the night. [12:55]
mircea_popescu slowed down huh. [12:55]
nubbins` !search hitler [12:56]
assbot 218 results for 'hitler' : [12:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42359 @ 0.00043441 = 18.4012 BTC [+] {2} [12:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the kills take longer and longer to recover from as the thing gets fatter [12:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'orphans' thing will have to be cured. [12:56]
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asciilifeform trezor news << For the love of god, Montrezor! [12:57]
mircea_popescu seems so huh. [12:57]
mircea_popescu well, kinda why we run things, find out. [12:58]
asciilifeform and of course zimmerman's turdphone or whatever it was called, will carry on 'as if nothing happened' [12:58]
thestringpuller !s lizard hitler [12:58]
assbot 38 results for 'lizard hitler' : [12:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50994 @ 0.00043971 = 22.4226 BTC [+] {2} [13:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform by now it's the best heuristic. [13:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1716 @ 0.00082999 = 1.4243 BTC [+] {3} [13:02]
mircea_popescu you can distinguish the usg agents from the random muppet by this simple pretense : once gavin's ideas are crushed in the open, does he continue as if nothing happened ? [13:02]
mircea_popescu if so, then he's with souflakis. [13:02]
mircea_popescu "statal continuity" we could call it. [13:03]
mircea_popescu al gore, after being a total muppet, did he go commit sepukku quietly somewhere ? nope, still there, still doing substantiall the same thing. romney, after his beyond ludicrous failure with his "super duper website' thigee, did he quit ? nope... still there. [13:06]
mircea_popescu heck, his wiki page does not even mention it. [13:06]
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mircea_popescu 27k words, no mention of "website", no mention of "software", wikipedia relevant as ever. [13:06]
mircea_popescu all that article needed was a thick red "Idiot who was going to make the first best and greatest election website. He failed." [13:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5457 @ 0.00043928 = 2.3972 BTC [-] [13:07]
mircea_popescu [13:08]
assbot The story behind Mitt Romney’s loss in the presidential campaign to President Obama - News Politics President - ... ( ) [13:08]
mircea_popescu by next year it's going to be completely gone, and the muppets ready to be sent against a wall again. [13:08]
mircea_popescu i lolled. [13:13]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4388.36 B (80%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 4`868 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [13:13]
mircea_popescu "Like so many of you, Paul and I have left everything on the field. We have given our all to this campaign. I so wish that I had been able to fulfill your hopes to lead this country in a different direction, but the nation chose another leader." [13:15]
mircea_popescu "and i'm going to take two weeks of and carry on regardless, because the "all" on the field was really nothing at all." [13:16]
davout asciilifeform: "the 'orphans' thing will have to be cured." <<< doesn't the whole thing work that way because you can't request peers to give you blocks matching a certain height in their chain? [13:20]
nubbins` y'know, yes could totally still win [13:23]
nubbins` btc just needs to be at $7k 30-day avg by mid-march [13:24]
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mike_c you mean $700. [13:26]
mats [13:28]
assbot Shmoocon 2015 Videos: Playlist Version : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( ) [13:28]
mats best one is prob #40: james forshaw's winders sandbox paradox [13:29]
nubbins` i can has math [13:34]
nubbins` i do indeed [13:34]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` moar like 7-800 [13:40]
mircea_popescu starting in a coupla weeks or so. [13:41]
mircea_popescu anyway, if i end up winning that thing it'll make a pretty great story. enough for an autobiography at any rate. [13:43]
mircea_popescu "how i challenged buffett and won millions in the process" [13:43]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc 217160.00÷ 314.59764223 [13:46]
gribble Error: invalid syntax (, line 1) [13:46]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 217160.00 / 314.59764223 [13:46]
gribble 690.278536294 [13:46]
mircea_popescu it dropped, apparently. [13:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00043444 = 5.4522 BTC [-] [13:49]
thestringpuller I wouldn't be surprised if the price shot up to 700 for one day. [13:50]
thestringpuller Seen crazier things. [13:50]
thestringpuller nubbins`: [13:51]
mircea_popescu tis bitcoin. [13:51]
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mats up 12% since opening o_o [13:53]
assbot NBG: Summary for Natl Bk Greece American Deposit- Yahoo! Finance ... ( ) [13:53]
TomServo Brent & WTI diverging? [13:56]
assbot Crude Oil Prices - Live Oil Price Chart, Price Forecast & Analysis ... ( ) [13:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91050 @ 0.00044127 = 40.1776 BTC [+] {4} [13:59]
Apocalyptic mats, still lower than it was on Tuesday [14:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54713 @ 0.00043708 = 23.914 BTC [-] {2} [14:20]
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kakobrekla yes assbot is no fork. its written in worlds most hated language. [14:22]
danielpbarron !gettrust SatoshiLabs [14:23]
assbot SatoshiLabs is not registered in WoT. [14:23]
kakobrekla anyway, back to [14:23]
assbot ... ( ) [14:23]
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mike_c idk what the hell that is, but it looks cool. [14:31]
ben_vulpes another thousand plus line day [14:32]
ben_vulpes y'all are killin me [14:32]
ben_vulpes !unrate felipelalli [14:32]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [14:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66900 @ 0.0004287 = 28.68 BTC [-] {2} [14:32]
ben_vulpes !v assbot:ben_vulpes.unrate.felipelalli:ba53d39c9a996d90a8e2747bcde7b7549369b170b1d50edd388b8f8788f71ddb [14:33]
assbot Successfully unrated felipelalli [14:33]
ben_vulpes !gettrust assbot felipelalli [14:33]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | | [14:33]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell felipelalli no hard feelings [14:34]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:34]
nubbins` thestringpuller fun [14:37]
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kakobrekla the hell that is < ill tell if noone figures it out [14:38]
danielpbarron php [14:40]
trinque dunno could be rubby [14:40]
TomServo kakobrekla: is it emitting light or is that a reflection? [14:41]
kakobrekla reflection [14:41]
TomServo hmph, one of those 'air motion' tweeters? [14:43]
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TomServo er, ribbon tweeter is the common name? [14:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96991 @ 0.0004412 = 42.7924 BTC [+] {4} [14:46]
kakobrekla yeah, almost 100 years old invention - a ribbon twitter, in open baffle [14:50]
kakobrekla in a normal speaker you have a coil suspended in magnetic field and that moves the (small) cone with terrible side effects [14:51]
kakobrekla here alu foil is suspended in a magnetic field and acts as a coil with huge surface [14:52]
kakobrekla and very little mass. [14:52]
TomServo pretty cool. Is that a custom box? [14:52]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform fun fact : 50% of america dreams of but doesn't own and can't afford a laptop. << tablets, "smartphones" [14:55]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i already got db corrupted a buncha times when not cleanly terminating bitcoind << me too, me too. [14:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64908 @ 0.00042457 = 27.558 BTC [-] {3} [14:59]
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davout ben_vulpes: to be completely fair there was an osx-specific bug that got my db corrupted [15:00]
ben_vulpes blech [15:00]
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kakobrekla TomServo these were custom developed for me by a friend who runs a high end speakers co. [15:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00044448 = 17.6459 BTC [+] {3} [15:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2235 @ 0.00084006 = 1.8775 BTC [-] {7} [15:15]
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mats Apocalyptic: ya. i bought at close yesterday. its up 18% nao [15:27]
mod6 asciilifeform: hey, does your build script build the R.I. on obsd? (haven't had a chance to try it yet) [15:29]
mod6 oh nm, i need to learn to read. thought it said OPENBSD not OPENSSL [15:32]
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asciilifeform 180221 [15:50]
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mod6 nice [15:52]
mod6 how many times has it died? [15:52]
asciilifeform 15 or so. [15:52]
mod6 ah, yikes. we'll keep working on the map of orphans problem into next month for sure. [15:53]
mod6 I appreciate any help/guidence you can provide in that direction. [15:53]
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asciilifeform mike_c might have the answer already. [15:54]
mod6 well, he was just looking at how they limit to 750 in forward versions right? [15:54]
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asciilifeform [15:57]
assbot Logged on 29-01-2015 05:26:57; mike_c: ok, took out the memory caching of orphans. i'll leave it running overnight and see what the memory looks like in the morning. [15:57]
mod6 oh yeah cool. [15:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00042281 = 14.439 BTC [-] [16:03]
asciilifeform openbsd << it should build anywhere the dependencies build, theoretically. nothing linux-specific in there, much less distro-specific. [16:05]
mod6 we want to get this thing running on openbsd, but in the 5 minutes i looked at it, iirc there was a database version change and maybe another thing or two that needed to change. can't recall off the bat. [16:11]
mod6 but yeah, that's one of the goals for this year is to get it going there. [16:12]
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BingoBoingo !up felipelalli You can self voice again [16:17]
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mats #b-a so fickle [16:27]
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TheNewDeal ;;nethash [16:29]
gribble 321731021.91 [16:29]
TheNewDeal hmph [16:29]
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TheNewDeal ;;bc,stats [16:29]
gribble Current Blocks: 341060 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1659 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47714824514.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.60819 [16:29]
TheNewDeal ;;calc 295*1.15 [16:30]
gribble 339.25 [16:30]
trinque I'm starting to itch for a sqlite+deturdolatedbitcoind experiment [16:30]
trinque in terms of a programming environment, SQL dominates this "wad of json" business [16:31]
trinque talked with ben_vulpes last night about the deedbot "publisher" service, which does the blockchain timestamping [16:32]
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mike_c asciilifeform: the answer was it ran all night and didn't do a damn thing. [16:32]
trinque what we came up with was just rolling forward from the transaction which funded deedbot first and finding spendable outputs each time, then using one to stamp [16:32]
asciilifeform mike_c: not one block ? [16:32]
mike_c no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made the change [16:33]
trinque seems like with a well-thought-out schema this is a trivial sql query [16:33]
mike_c so i gotta dig in more. [16:33]
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trinque you'd just query the outputs table for your pubkey where none are referenced by an input's output_id field [16:35]
trinque whose fault is the btc json thing? nosql people? [16:37]
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asciilifeform << what they did. [16:39]
assbot bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.9.0 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( ) [16:39]
trinque insert into raw_transaction (...) values (...); << and fuck the jsonrpc [16:40]
TheNewDeal copyright The Bitcoin Developers. fml [16:42]
ben_vulpes what is copyright? [16:43]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: thanks for the find [16:43]
mod6 at the top of that file [16:43]
TheNewDeal apparently a line of text at the top of a file [16:43]
mod6 i think all of 'em say that now [16:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00041933 = 10.63 BTC [-] {2} [16:44]
ben_vulpes mod6: more asking "what does copyright even mean in a world of bitcoin?" [16:44]
ben_vulpes i don't have a contract with those people, i'm not bound by any line of text they write. [16:44]
mod6 The Bitcoin Developers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HPower Rangers [16:44]
mod6 ben_vulpes: ah. [16:44]
ben_vulpes no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made the change << my experience is in line with asciilifeform's: once wedged, it never unwedges [16:44]
mod6 well, if he removed the entire orphanMap, then it if the chain split off and became the new best chain, it can't move forward. [16:45]
mod6 not sure what the specifics were there. [16:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00042693 = 11.271 BTC [+] {2} [16:46]
mike_c if the chain split off where, at 144k? [16:46]
mod6 well, for instance if you received the blocks out of order, and then you got the child of 144,000 a few after some others, then it can't continue [16:47]
danielpbarron is it seriously block # 144k? or is that approx? [16:48]
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mike_c approx. [16:48]
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mike_c well i just blew it away and restarted it. we'll see how it does. [16:50]
mod6 ok cool. [16:50]
mod6 thanks for the help mike_c! [16:50]
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mike_c my pleasure. [16:51]
mod6 we appreciate all the help that the attendants of #b-a have given to the foundation & the effort to decruft the R.I. [16:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00042754 = 7.0972 BTC [+] [16:52]
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TheNewDeal RI? [16:55]
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mod6 Reference Implementation [16:55]
TheNewDeal anduck eh [16:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.0009249 = 2.3123 BTC [+] {6} [17:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00092493 = 2.3123 BTC [+] [17:03]
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cazalla mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw, you're both prolly making too much of this. <<< not reary, i don't think anyone made a big deal of it, but i'm thankful BingoBoingo and danielpbarron were able to point out this guy's lies same day i left for holidays [17:09]
danielpbarron !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Blazedout419.-5:e40b0a47992f98d407f734b54afc958da19f8e6e71a05a105ca0a0603431534b [17:11]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for Blazedout419 from -1 to -5 with note: maliciously stupid [17:11]
danielpbarron ;;later tell Blazedout419 wtf dude ^ [17:11]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:11]
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cazalla im calling you j. coelho henceforth! <<< and when my son has kids, i can be.. wello coelho [17:13]
thestringpuller :P [17:17]
thestringpuller !rated danielpbarron [17:17]
assbot You have not rated danielpbarron. [17:17]
cazalla miss me thestringpuller? ya lack of emails suggest not : [17:17]
thestringpuller ;;rated danilepbarron [17:17]
gribble You have not yet rated user danilepbarron [17:17]
thestringpuller ;;rated danielpbarron [17:17]
gribble You rated user danielpbarron on Tue Jan 20 11:03:44 2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: crypto-priest. [17:17]
thestringpuller ugh 2 wots :P [17:17]
thestringpuller cazalla how do you feel about iggy azalea? :D [17:18]
cazalla dunno, thestringpuller only know that one song of hers but then only because weird al did it first [17:18]
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TheNewDeal south park did a pretty good episode with iggy, lorde, and nicki minaj [17:22]
TheNewDeal lorde was played by one of the main character's fathers, dressed in drag [17:22]
trinque yayaya... [17:23]
trinque I actually thought lorde was a made-up singer until recently [17:23]
cazalla trinque, yeah that is what i thought after that episode [17:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00041725 = 25.6192 BTC [-] {2} [17:23]
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davout trinque: "you'd just query the outputs table for your pubkey where none are referenced by an input's output_id field" <<< it's a bit more complicated than that [17:42]
davout but an sql datastore would be really cool indeed [17:43]
trinque davout: what did I overlook? that was assuming everything that got stored in sql was validated by say an insert trigger [17:44]
davout not all transactions are a transaction to a pubkey [17:44]
davout some implementations will let you store the DB in a SQL store iirc [17:45]
trinque davout: right, but the balance would be "that which has been spent to me, and not subsequently spent elsewhere" [17:45]
davout sure [17:45]
davout <-- this would let you use a SQL backend [17:46]
assbot bitcoin-ruby/STORAGE.rdoc at master · lian/bitcoin-ruby · GitHub ... ( ) [17:46]
trinque ben_vulpes tells me there's one that pulls it into postgresql too [17:47]
trinque davout: what kind of transaction does not involve a pubkey? [17:48]
davout trinque: p2sh for example [17:48]
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trinque and would that be a concern of something trying to ascertain a balance [17:48]
fluffypony "balance" is subjective [17:48]
davout not really if you only use normal addresses [17:48]
fluffypony if you receive a transaction with an NLOCKTIME in the future is that part of your balance or the sender's balance? [17:49]
davout there's also multisig, that you can do with the dedicated script, or in the p2sh fashion [17:49]
davout fluffypony: balance(t) <-- fixed :-) [17:49]
trinque fluffypony: right, the subject being this bot, in this instance [17:49]
trinque so I can constrain the domain of things I care about [17:50]
trinque simple funding transactions, simple "publishing" transactions [17:50]
davout trinque: do you intend to run a full client for deedbot's needs? [17:50]
trinque using btcd at the moment [17:51]
davout i don't know shit about this one [17:51]
trinque has the same wad 'o json api [17:51]
davout the way i'd do it is simply keep an unspent out around [17:51]
davout when i have the addy to spend to for notarization, create a raw tx spending from that, and sending all the change back to the original address [17:52]
davout that way you keep one private key around, and you just need to track one txid that you reuse in the next tx [17:53]
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trinque davout: I'm hesitant to keep my own count of btc when the correct value can be pulled from the node [17:55]
trinque say I send a transaction, get one confirmation, then the thing still ended up on the losing fork [17:56]
TheNewDeal davout , isn't p2sh nonstandard ? [17:56]
davout hrm yeah, i forgot about keeping count of the balance, for that you should be able to use the gettxout call though [17:56]
davout TheNewDeal: i don't think so [17:57]
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trinque yup, that's where the "roll forward from first funding transaction's block" comes from [17:57]
trinque and then back to my rant re: holy shit this is a trivial query with well-structured data [17:57]
trinque anyhow that's what I'll do for now [17:57]
davout TheNewDeal: failed miserably at detecting them for a while, don't know if that's changed since, but afaik it's perfectly standard, and nodes will relay them [17:59]
trinque since the thing publishes once an hour, rolling forward doesn't seem that big a deal [17:59]
trinque each time it's funded the starting point will advance, too [17:59]
davout trinque: so you keep the txid around, query your client for the txout and work from there? not very clear on what you mean [18:02]
jurov lol what word... Serenissima Cryptokyriarchy [18:06]
trinque davout: we did not find a way to just "get all utxos" from btcd, could've overlooked something obvious. barring that, I can roll forward from the block where it was first funded and just chew on all the transactions from there forward looking for relevant ones [18:06]
ben_vulpes yeah i've lost the btcd documentation [18:06]
davout trinque: if you import a private key into bitcoind you'll get the 'listunspent' call, don't know about btcd [18:07]
trinque davout: right, if I use a wallet, wallet does everything for me [18:07]
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davout but it's not possible to get the list of unspent outs given an arbitrary private key [18:07]
trinque btcd has btcwallet, seems overkill [18:07]
mod6 jurov: gotcha. [18:07]
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mod6 think we should switch to the black & hacker-green motif? [18:07]
ben_vulpes yeah looks great :D [18:08]
davout if you're not using the wallet you just know the first out you spend, and you know the next one from the raw tx you create, you still need 'gettxout' to not have to follow the balance around [18:08]
ben_vulpes mod6: ^^ [18:08]
jurov nah. i'm for Comic Sans on pink backgeroubd [18:08]
jurov *background [18:09]
davout anyway, have fun! [18:09]
mats black and green is unreadable [18:09]
ben_vulpes but it's not possible to get the list of unspent outs given an arbitrary private key << wat [18:09]
ben_vulpes mats: fuck reading [18:09]
mats think of the poor souls that are red green colorblind [18:09]
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davout ben_vulpes: bitcoind doesn't provide any way to retrieve a list of unspent outs for a key that's not in your wallet [18:09]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: anyway, back to ganja << FIFY [18:10]
ben_vulpes [18:10]
assbot BIP0064 – Not yet. | Conformal Systems, LLC. ... ( ) [18:10]
kakobrekla wut? [18:10]
ben_vulpes davout yeah i gotcha [18:10]
TheNewDeal he's saying your on the weed [18:10]
TheNewDeal you*re [18:10]
ben_vulpes davout shouldn't even be a concern for a "node" [18:10]
davout sure [18:11]
ben_vulpes f'n wallets [18:11]
ben_vulpes f'n utxos [18:11]
ben_vulpes f'n pruning [18:11]
ben_vulpes it's malice! all malice, i tell you. [18:11]
mircea_popescu you fighting the malice mice / [18:11]
ben_vulpes [18:12]
assbot Whack-A-Kitty - YouTube ... ( ) [18:12]
mircea_popescu trinque: I'm starting to itch for a sqlite+deturdolatedbitcoind experiment <<< wha happened to deedbot ? [18:12]
trinque mircea_popescu: 'tis what caused it; not working on the sqlite thing atm tho [18:13]
mircea_popescu aha [18:13]
trinque this "oh hey we added getutxos" thing... no! [18:13]
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trinque just expose the damn data; let the thing using the data decide what questions are interesting [18:14]
mircea_popescu quite. [18:14]
mircea_popescu but if you let people off the street do system design you get systems designed by people off the street. [18:14]
trinque mhm [18:15]
kakobrekla well good music is like a drug if thats what you meant [18:15]
mircea_popescu and a lot of political entrenchment and noncontent sprouting for pages. [18:15]
mircea_popescu the woodcollector guy spending weeks producing 10s of k's of words a day on the topic of nothing at all being the prototype for how that works. [18:15]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yeah. [18:15]
trinque mircea_popescu: open source is dead to me [18:15]
mircea_popescu cazalla lol what's wello ? [18:16]
cazalla it's spanish for grandfather isn't it? [18:17]
mircea_popescu abuelo [18:17]
mircea_popescu close enough i guess [18:17]
cazalla maybe the spanish kid 2 doors down as a kid was not spanish then, nfi, that is what he use to call his grandfather [18:18]
mircea_popescu "btcd won’t be supporting the command because it is completely unauthenticated and insecure as pointed out numerous times on the initial pull request. In response to these concerns, a section entitled “Authentication” was added to the BIP which attempts to address the concerns by simply calling them out along with some potential modifications that could happen in the future. However, we prefer to wait until the t [18:19]
mircea_popescu hings necessary to implement this functionality in a secure fashion are already in place, which Bitcoin Core should have done as well." [18:19]
mircea_popescu "The BIP was authored by Mike Hearn who also provided the implementation for Bitcoin Core." [18:19]
mircea_popescu will wonders never cease. [18:19]
mircea_popescu just take that idiot out and shoot him already. [18:19]
mircea_popescu in case it's not clear, no anything authored by hearn may ever be merged into anything. i don't care what it is. the dog learns to shine shoes or do carpentry or whatever, but he does not work wioth computers anymore. [18:20]
mircea_popescu and im negrating anyone ever hiring him, on general principle. [18:20]
mircea_popescu davout, fluffypony < i don't think bitcoin reference supports either nlocktime or multisig. [18:21]
mircea_popescu both being spuriously stupid ideas anyway. [18:22]
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mircea_popescu jurov: lol what word... Serenissima Cryptokyriarchy << or Cryptokickyourbuttocracy why not. [18:24]
mircea_popescu mod6 where's this banner anyway ? [18:25]
mod6 [18:27]
mod6 i just swapped it like 2 seconds ago [18:27]
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mod6 works pretty decent with lynx [18:28]
mod6 <3 | h8 [18:30]
mod6 ? [18:30]
pete_dushenski nLockTime is a parameter that can be attached to a transaction, that mandates a minimal time (specified in either unix time or block height), that before this time, the transaction cannot be accepted into a block. [18:30]
pete_dushenski ^for those like me who didn't know [18:30]
pete_dushenski ya, seems spurious [18:30]
davout mircea_popescu: actually both are supported [18:31]
davout multisig in two different ways [18:31]
davout and nlocktime only in the original way, not in gmaxwell's/todd's way [18:31]
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jurov lol @ that time discussion [18:36]
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jurov in fact, since earth is noninertial frame, even atomic time depends on latitude [18:36]
jurov no need to invent the effects of dark matter on subatomic particles [18:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24501 @ 0.00042378 = 10.383 BTC [+] [18:38]
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jurov mhm, did anyone already suggest time synchronization by actually tracking heavenly bodies by outdoor camera? [18:40]
trinque jurov: heh, I think decimation did [18:41]
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jurov maybe but it was understood only in philosohical sense [18:42]
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jurov while it's in fact actionable idea [18:42]
trinque [18:42]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2015 05:23:30; *: decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time [18:42]
* jurov imagines going asking for roof access and number of cloudless days around DC's [18:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60500 @ 0.00041926 = 25.3652 BTC [-] [18:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1286 @ 0.00092397 = 1.1882 BTC [+] {4} [18:52]
fluffypony [18:52]
assbot blog.reddit -- what's new on reddit: reddit’s first transparency report ... ( ) [18:52]
asciilifeform nlocktime >> obligatory >> [18:53]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( ) [18:53]
ben_vulpes also [18:53]
ben_vulpes fuck an nlocktime [18:53]
asciilifeform 'multisig' is yet another chumpatronic engineering structural element, just as nlocktime is (see link) [18:56]
asciilifeform ultimate purpose of which is usg escrow of coin. [18:57]
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pete_dushenski asciilifeform that bashed quote is a clean cut, nicely done [18:59]
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asciilifeform these two misfeatures are not accidental 'derperies' but have very specific, well-thought-out purpose. [18:59]
ben_vulpes i dislike them [19:02]
ben_vulpes cannot abide. [19:03]
pete_dushenski so off with its head! [19:03]
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asciilifeform chumpatronics aside, they also have the more pedestrian objective of creating GBs of turdsactions that bob about in mempool indefinitely, blowing up memory footprint in non-mitigable ways [19:05]
davout why would they hang out in the mempool? [19:07]
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davout utxo maybe, but mempool i dun see [19:08]
punkman I've seen nlocktime mentioned in various microtransaction derpage, needed to help fill those 20mb blocks [19:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00041888 = 24.295 BTC [-] {3} [19:11]
jurov asciilifeform: re: jet heaters: [19:11]
assbot Prúdové rozmrazovače | Traťové stroje ... ( ) [19:11]
punkman [19:17]
cazalla bwahah so much for redditcoin [19:17]
assbot Inside the Dangerous World of Amateur 'Ninja' Gold Miners | WIRED ... ( ) [19:17]
assbot I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable. [19:17]
fluffypony LOL [19:19]
cazalla i think it was only december that they announced their bitcoin killer reddit notes [19:20]
fluffypony under 4 months from hire to fire [19:21]
punkman is that the "moar javascript" guy? [19:21]
fluffypony ad went out beginning of August [19:21]
fluffypony and he had started by Oct 1st [19:21]
asciilifeform << mega-lol [19:21]
davout cazalla: lol [19:22]
pete_dushenski Yum calculated that the transferred coins were worth a total of $13.4 million. [19:23]
pete_dushenski “You mean direct, one-to-one transfers?” prosecutor Timothy Howard asked Yum. [19:23]
pete_dushenski “Yes, direct, one-to-one transfers,” Yum responded. [19:23]
pete_dushenski mano a mano! [19:24]
pete_dushenski Remarkably, that total trail of drug-tainted coins represents more than four times as many bitcoins from Silk Road Ulbricht’s laptop than have yet been found and seized in the Silk Road investigation. It’s still not clear from Yum’s testimony where the rest of them ended up. [19:25]
pete_dushenski Given the mind-twisting complexity of the bitcoin blockchain for an unschooled jury, the defense may yet have plenty of room to inject doubt into the government’s analysis. [19:25]
pete_dushenski i should sincerely hope so [19:26]
trinque I think I'd die laughing if Karpeles was actually involved [19:26]
pete_dushenski ya that'd be pretty rich [19:26]
davout wtf is south park waiting for? so much material [19:27]
pete_dushenski that'd be funny if karpeles was behind ethereum too [19:29]
pete_dushenski << for anyone interested in slides from vitalik's latest conference tawk [19:30]
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pete_dushenski keep in mind that we're in late january and he promised, what, march delivery ? [19:30]
pete_dushenski tick tock vitalik [19:30]
trinque << bahahaha [19:32]
assbot EtherScripter - Visual smart-contract builder for Ethereum ... ( ) [19:32]
trinque End-user programming tool! [19:32]
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davout bitcoin's visual basic yo [19:34]
trinque these legos suck [19:34]
davout fair trade programmable money on top of the blockchain technology [19:34]
davout pre-order here, receive in two weeks(tm) [19:35]
trinque b-b-but the website has that cool graph animation! [19:35]
trinque they win; they did the standard 1) build Responsive! (TM) website layout with big image at the top 2) kickstarter or the like 3) cut and run [19:36]
trinque this is how web business is *done* [19:36]
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danielpbarron << notes on a possible redditnote qntra article [19:39]
assbot ... ( ) [19:39]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: If you want to write one up... [19:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00042442 = 29.0303 BTC [+] {2} [19:52]
davout [19:57]
assbot Flabbergasted. Bulk of txns to Ulbricht's wallets weren't tumbled, can be traced directly to Silk Road. /hashtag/SilkRoadTrial?src=hash [19:57]
davout "has anyone said "lolbricht" yet" [19:58]
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mircea_popescu in fact, since earth is noninertial frame, even atomic time depends on latitude < [20:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42536 @ 0.00042357 = 18.017 BTC [-] [20:16]
mircea_popescu chumpatronics aside, they also have the more pedestrian objective of creating GBs of turdsactions that bob about in mempool indefinitely, blowing up memory footprint in non-mitigable ways << in any case that unpleasant side effect. [20:16]
mircea_popescu under 4 months from hire to fire << progress. [20:17]
mircea_popescu I think I'd die laughing if Karpeles was actually involved << his being *completely* uninvolved is improbable on the face. [20:18]
mircea_popescu the bitcoin-derp community is very... how shall we put this politely... [20:18]
mircea_popescu incestuous. [20:18]
danielpbarron BingoBoingo, here's what i got so far: | am I forgetting anything? [20:19]
assbot ... ( ) [20:19]
ben_vulpes oh man if this kills reddit i'm going to pop a hernia laughing [20:26]
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BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Looks good so far. Anything else you want to add? [20:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6456 @ 0.00042694 = 2.7563 BTC [+] {2} [20:34]
danielpbarron i mean i could ramble on about why reddit sucks or why altcoins suck, but that seems to be the meat of the story [20:35]
danielpbarron in the intrests of brevity, i'm ok with it as is [20:36]
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ben_vulpes ;;ticker [20:39]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.5, Best ask: 234.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 234.49, 24 hour volume: 26344.77687968, 24 hour low: 220.0, 24 hour high: 242.18, 24 hour vwap: 232.064793104 [20:39]
ben_vulpes noice [20:39]
ben_vulpes i had people calling the bottom at 185 [20:39]
ben_vulpes (which obviously never happened) [20:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97223 @ 0.00041636 = 40.4798 BTC [-] {5} [20:40]
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Naphex [20:42]
Naphex maybe he wanted to port all reddit to js :o [20:42]
Naphex "I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable." [20:42]
assbot I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable. [20:42]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes was about 160ish it bottomed out neh ? [20:44]
mircea_popescu Naphex was in log earlier you know :D [20:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80534 @ 0.00043111 = 34.719 BTC [+] {3} [20:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50221 @ 0.00043333 = 21.7623 BTC [+] {3} [20:54]
Naphex xD [20:56]
Naphex i just lold, tought id share :D [20:56]
mircea_popescu heh, the gavin idiots. "The chart below illustrates the growth in the number of transactions per day along with Bitcoin's market cap1. There is a strong correlation between the two variables2. If the correlation continues to hold, it suggests that the 1 MB blocksize limit may also limit Bitcoin's future liquidity and adoption. 1I've plotted the number of transactions excluding popular addresses to remove the on-chain [21:00]
mircea_popescu gambling bubble of 2012/2013. This has only a minor effect on the 2014/2015 portion of the data." [21:00]
mircea_popescu so... a) correlation = causation ; b)i've doctored the data so correlation = the causation i wish to see. [21:00]
mircea_popescu this is like... the "global warming" consensus all over again. [21:01]
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mircea_popescu "here's how we extrapolate data in the past to create a dataset which we arbitrarily call historical, on which we extrapolate a future. and here's how we've fixed it all to look a certain way. no matter that anything put through this mixer would look like a golf club, including most random distributions" [21:01]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Up! [21:02]
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scoopbot New post on by danielpbarron: [21:02]
mircea_popescu really, usg : hire smarter people. i know that obama was wildly successful by promising a bunch of losers unprecedented financial incentives to voice for him, and i know that for that reason it WORKS for him to do all sorts of patently idiotic shit, like most recently claiming that inviting the president of israel "breaks protocol" because it could be seen as supporting a side in the coming elections, while his staff i [21:03]
mircea_popescu s actually in israel working for the other side in those same elections, not to mention the mess in the ukraine. [21:03]
mircea_popescu i know this stupid shit works for the low information voters that constitute the libertard america. figure it out : these people do not actually matter. [21:03]
mircea_popescu not in bitcoin, not in the world, not in any sense. they're here for feedstock and no more. [21:03]
mircea_popescu hire smarter people. [21:03]
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jurov << if you haven't seen redacted sql query before [21:09]
assbot Capital One Fraud Researchers May Also Have Done Some Fraud - Bloomberg View ... ( ) [21:09]
mircea_popescu !up felipelalli [21:09]
-assbot- You voiced felipelalli for 30 minutes. [21:09]
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mircea_popescu felipelalli go moderate your blog comments. [21:09]
mircea_popescu ahaha epic. [21:09]
assbot ... ( ) [21:10]
mircea_popescu i gotta say ... that's some gnarly shit. is this how sql actually works ? [21:10]
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trinque mircea_popescu: no! dear god no! [21:10]
mircea_popescu trinque % is wildcard right ? [21:11]
trinque mircea_popescu: yeah for the like operator [21:11]
mircea_popescu there's like 100 of them in there, that should be pretty wild to run [21:11]
trinque the sad thing about sql is it tried to be an end user programming language [21:11]
trinque behind that mess is an utterly elegant data model [21:11]
trinque really relational algebra's the thing, not sql, and someone should redo the former sans the latter [21:12]
trinque the idea was accountants or somesuch would be able to write SQL [21:12]
mircea_popescu hm. [21:12]
Naphex mircea_popescu: whats dummer is that looks like a table for machine learning [21:13]
Naphex and its using sql for that [21:13]
Naphex big lol [21:13]
Naphex horrible stuff [21:14]
mircea_popescu pretty gnarly. [21:15]
trinque Naphex: neh your thing just needs to be smart enough to make its own tables, relational can do runtime structure creation just fine [21:16]
trinque the system catalog is there for a reason [21:16]
davout CASEs in SQL queries, my eyes burn [21:16]
cazalla BingoBoingo, you and your altcoin coverage!! [21:16]
trinque I had a mentor burn rdbms into my mind indelibly; it's as right and overlooked as lisp [21:17]
BingoBoingo cazalla: danielpbarron's altcoin coverage [21:17]
cazalla BingoBoingo, but you encouraged him! i'm not too fussed on altcoins but i would've made mention how foolish redditors were to believe a jew was going to give away 5 million [21:17]
ben_vulpes ben_vulpes was about 160ish it bottomed out neh ? << which plebs actually caught that knife? [21:17]
davout trinque: a lot of rdbms will let you do relational algebra, it's just that people don't use it [21:18]
BingoBoingo lol cazalla [21:18]
trinque davout: well shit, a lot of derps try to turn it into a key value store [21:18]
trinque and all kinds of other foot-blown-off scenarios [21:18]
davout yup [21:18]
trinque incidentally postgresql spanks the ass off any other kv store on earth [21:18]
trinque with native json types [21:19]
jurov mircea_popescu: that was *enterprise* sql [21:20]
davout trinque: how do you even use that kind of stuff, does it give you tools to actually filter on the json object? [21:20]
davout iirc mssql also had the kind of native stuff for xml [21:20]
jurov davout yes it does [21:21]
davout may it burn in hell [21:21]
trinque yep [21:21]
jurov with indexes, everything [21:21]
trinque postgres ate yer mongo, postgres ate yer couch [21:21]
BingoBoingo !up felipelalli [21:21]
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trinque postgres slapped your mother, postgres fucked your spouse [21:21]
mats mongo was never good [21:21]
trinque mats: reasoning of "json therefore..." [21:21]
mats says the db guy i work with, anyway. [21:22]
trinque any new database will incrementally do the things sql already did [21:22]
trinque or kick them to the app layer where those idiots will do even worse [21:22]
trinque constraints, indexes, transactions, etc etc [21:22]
davout sure, lets use uuids as primary keys [21:23]
trinque this idea for example that schema's too hard! the fuck?! like building the lack of schema into each query isn't infinitely worse? [21:23]
trinque and you can write dynamic code even that will build out schema for you because there's a system catalog to reference [21:24]
trinque ^ most underused feature of SQL there is [21:24]
trinque I once wrote a thing that'd dynamically generate schema for production rules of a given grammer given the relational representation of that grammar, and a dynamic to-string in the other direction [21:24]
trinque do that in your mongo [21:24]
jurov schema is subject to change irl and there be dragons. but i presume with btc it isn't a problem, no changes expected [21:25]
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Naphex loving the java8 aggregates/stream api [21:25]
assbot Error Page 404 ... ( ) [21:25]
jurov oracle nixed it [21:25]
trinque the company all but collapsed but we produced this: [21:25]
assbot aquameta/pg_meta · GitHub ... ( ) [21:25]
trinque having that you can write queries which output things which can be inserted into the writable system catalog [21:26]
jurov okay let's not go overboard with this :) [21:26]
davout jurov: lol, too late [21:27]
trinque jurov: what, writing wads of plpgsql to do it is better? [21:27]
trinque being able to declaratively modify schema was incredible [21:27]
trinque too bad the owner of the biz thought money was filthy [21:27]
jurov 90% of migrations isn't about schema, but about data [21:27]
trinque I also jacked git into postgres and did an automatic migrations system [21:28]
trinque via a foreign data wrapper [21:28]
trinque given the right set of first principles in a system so many things become trivial [21:28]
Naphex - rocks for data access [21:28]
assbot Reduction (The Java™ Tutorials > [21:28]
Naphex missed an l before [21:29]
jurov looks like sqlalchemy [21:29]
trinque yeh I don't tend to like these middle layers [21:29]
davout Naphex: looks like derpy ruby :D [21:29]
trinque ^ lol [21:29]
trinque I'm oop racist so don't mind me [21:30]
Naphex davout: hehe, a bit maybe. because of the method chaining [21:30]
davout Naphex: filter(p -> p.getGender() == Person.Sex.MALE) <<< this [21:31]
BingoBoingo,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ha51bj7yo0hnmrtjhogc.jpg [21:31]
assbot ... ( ) [21:31]
davout select(&:male?) yo [21:31]
Naphex the lambdas? [21:31]
davout yea [21:31]
trinque jeez is that java lambda syntax? [21:32]
trinque oh no, the one above [21:32]
Naphex aye [21:32]
trinque what's the second one? [21:33]
trinque ampersand colon fuck my life question mark [21:33]
davout each time i hear about java i can't help but picture these SomeObjectFactoryBuilder.getObjectFactory().getObject() [21:33]
trinque I don't see why we're still doing objects [21:33]
trinque shitty dispatch, shitty scoping tool, shitty .... [21:33]
davout trinque: that & is just a pointer to function [21:33]
davout the ? is here just to troll you, because question marks are allowed in function names [21:34]
trinque ah lol [21:34]
trinque hey that doesn't even make me mad [21:34]
trinque ! for side effects, ? for booleans, seems fine to me [21:34]
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davout yup [21:35]
Naphex i'm actually liking the lambda syntax :D [21:35]
Naphex (Person p) -> p.getGender() == Person.Sex.MALE && p.getAge() >= 18 && p.getAge() <= 25 [21:35]
trinque (fn butts ...) [21:36]
trinque how dare these languages steal fire from the gods and claim it as their own [21:36]
davout p.male? && p.can_drink? && !p.wrinkly? <<< ruby is better [21:37]
trinque rubby aint no lisp [21:37]
BingoBoingo [21:37]
assbot ... ( ) [21:37]
trinque python's my default slumming language [21:37]
trinque long as you never write "class" you'll survive [21:37]
davout BingoBoingo: is this dog? [21:37]
BingoBoingo Indeed [21:37]
BingoBoingo Dachshund/Pit bull mix [21:38]
BingoBoingo [21:38]
jurov Person.query.filter(Person.gender== Person.Sex.MALE && p.age >= 18 && p.age <= 25) [21:39]
assbot Rami The Pitbull Dachshund Mix [21:39]
jurov ^ py/sqlalchemy [21:39]
davout BingoBoingo: hah yeah, i didn't notice at first but it does look like it [21:39]
BingoBoingo Availabru for adotion [21:39]
davout it's cute and scary at the same time [21:40]
trinque face of "this is what your human hubris has wrought" [21:40]
davout ok i'm off, laters! [21:41]
BingoBoingo Adoption horror story [21:42]
assbot This Couple Thought They'd Adopted a Mini Pig—But It Turned Out to Be a 650 Pound Porker - Esther the Wonder Pig [21:42]
trinque so eat the bastard [21:43]
trinque looks great [21:43]
trinque ...canadians, they're probably vegan [21:44]
trinque "the duo are now vegans" LOOOL [21:44]
cazalla he's fucking game laying next to it for a nap, pigs are known for rolling and crushing the piglets [21:44]
BingoBoingo Surprised it hasn't ate the dogs [21:45]
felipelalli Hi gang noise! :] (sorry if I can't express myself very well in English) First of all, I want to apologize for that "gavin day", really sorry about that. [21:48]
felipelalli Then, I can see you guys are talking something about altcoins (I couldn't follow everything), and by change I've been thinking all day about something related to write an article. Actually I've been thinking about it from a long time ago, and the subject is: << the importance (or not) of a strong "second" coin >> and I'd love to read the most I could about it (altcoins, sidechain, and related) and I'm sure you guys have have a plenty of [21:48]
felipelalli material. I know I can search on Google but I guess you guys already have selected that "cherry cake" about this theme. Trying to summarize: my point is to show the importance (or not) of a strong coin to be used together with bitcoin. My initial thesis is that in the future (almost) all wallets will work with two (or maybe 3) totally different coins. The second coin would be so important as silver was in the past when the government tried [21:48]
felipelalli to "confiscated" the gold (I heard about that but I have to study more deeply). I came to this conclusion because I know bitcoin can't be available 24/7 forever. It will eventually fail in some situation (for example during a bad made hard fork - either because Gavin's gang spoiled or not) and at that time everybody should already is using some strong second coin to be used as backup during a temporary "bitcoin blackout". I think this coin [21:48]
felipelalli would work similar as silver works to the economy (silver have ~ 777B market cap in a quick search I just made, not too much compared with gold but it is enough). Even if this coin have only 5 or 6% of total bitcoin value, it could be useful to "don't stop the world" when bitcoin is under attack or maintenance. --- If I am wrong about that, I could write about what this is a bad idea and altcoins are bad at all. [21:48]
felipelalli Thank you! [21:48]
trinque jesus christ dude, use a pastebin [21:48]
felipelalli ahhaah sorry [21:48]
felipelalli I'd write few, but... you know. I just wrote, wrote... [21:49]
thestringpuller so harsh trinque [21:49]
thestringpuller as long as his count doesn't go above mircea_popescu [21:49]
pete_dushenski Hi gang noise! :] << best opening line. ever. [21:50]
trinque thestringpuller: shit to substance ratio applies [21:50]
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thestringpuller A pete_dushenski! [21:50]
thestringpuller now we can talk cars [21:50]
pete_dushenski lol hey man [21:50]
ben_vulpes felipelalli: welcome back [21:50]
jurov felipelalli: if you dream of altcoins, you might make elevator pitch about monero [21:50]
felipelalli ben_vulpes: thank you! [21:50]
cazalla felipelalli, you need more logs before this idea [21:51]
jurov ^ that too [21:51]
felipelalli cazalla: that's the idea. [21:51]
felipelalli cazalla: sorry, logs in which sense? [21:51]
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ben_vulpes felipelalli: [21:52]
ben_vulpes !up felipelalli [21:52]
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felipelalli ben_vulpes: and do you guys can point an specific relevant conversation about that? a day? month? Or just dig, dig, dig? :) [21:53]
ben_vulpes oh jeez well start with search.bitcoin.assets [21:53]
ben_vulpes !s altcoin [21:53]
assbot 1215 results for 'altcoin' : [21:53]
ben_vulpes !s moner [21:53]
assbot 0 results for 'moner' : [21:53]
ben_vulpes !s monero [21:53]
assbot 93 results for 'monero' : [21:53]
ben_vulpes !s litecoin [21:53]
assbot 566 results for 'litecoin' : [21:53]
ben_vulpes !s potcoin [21:53]
assbot 0 results for 'potcoin' : [21:53]
ben_vulpes lolrly? [21:53]
ben_vulpes !s darkcoin [21:53]
assbot 61 results for 'darkcoin' : [21:54]
ben_vulpes do you get it? [21:54]
felipelalli yes, perfect! [21:54]
ben_vulpes mk [21:54]
ben_vulpes well i'm off to hobnob with the lawyers i'll catch y'all on the flipside [21:54]
danielpbarron BingoBoingo, last sentence of that article: s/it's/its/ [21:54]
felipelalli this search engine seems pretty smart. [21:55]
felipelalli thank you. [21:55]
ben_vulpes felipelalli: tell that to asciilifeform :D [21:55]
kakobrekla and dont forget to run. [21:55]
felipelalli asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :) [21:55]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: done [21:55]
kakobrekla lel. [21:55]
thestringpuller danielpbarron: i never wanna see a regex search and replace again [21:57]
thestringpuller :( [21:57]
ben_vulpes mjokes my clock's an hour fast [21:58]
mike_c felipelalli: read this. [22:05]
assbot The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [22:05]
felipelalli *perfect* thanks mike_c !! [22:05]
jurov felipelalli there's much more good stuff on trilema [22:08]
felipelalli jurov: I'll search. Thank you. [22:08]
ben_vulpes isis taking off after the Kingdom? [22:19]
mod6 felipelalli: read all of 2012, 2013, 2014 & 2015 [22:19]
mod6 there are some good ones in 2011 too [22:20]
felipelalli mod6: thanks, a lot to study! [22:20]
felipelalli year 1933 - seizure of gold, seizure of silver one year later. Just insane. [22:20]
assbot Executive Order 6102, - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [22:20]
assbot Executive Order 6814 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [22:20]
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pete_dushenski [22:30]
assbot How to become a good poker player, translated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [22:30]
pete_dushenski ^for the non-romanian-speaking poker players among us [22:31]
mike_c conference this year should definitely include a poker game [22:32]
asciilifeform felipelalli: i didn't write it. and it's a piece of shit. [22:35]
jurov any canadian around here pls - are corporations' annual reports public? and where? [22:35]
pete_dushenski mike_c even though i won't be there, that's a sublime idea [22:36]
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pete_dushenski jurov what corporations are these? [22:36]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: why won't be there ? [22:36]
jurov [22:36]
felipelalli asciilifeform: ahahahah. fair. are you writing a better one? [22:36]
jurov it says "Filed" but where? [22:37]
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pete_dushenski asciilifeform a good friend's wedding. [22:37]
pete_dushenski i'd be remiss if i missed it [22:37]
asciilifeform felipelalli: it has a brain-damaged option turned on, that replaces words with supposedly similar ones [22:37]
asciilifeform felipelalli: could be turned off, would take five seconds. but it isn't my search engine [22:37]
felipelalli asciilifeform: isn't that part of assbot wrote by you? [22:38]
asciilifeform no. [22:38]
pete_dushenski jurov hmm. i don't believe that there's a requirement to publish annual reports for private corporations. [22:38]
pete_dushenski in canada [22:38]
jurov kk [22:39]
pete_dushenski that's all for me for today. laters! [22:39]
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jurov hm. interesting, while even my puny llc has to have balance sheet public [22:40]
mike_c or anywhere else afaik. [22:41]
mike_c that's one of the perks of "private" [22:41]
jurov there's no such thing as private corp. here. anything except for physical person gets their filings published [22:43]
mike_c wow. balance sheet says who? audited? [22:44]
jurov not necessarily audited. it's just mandatory part of yearly tax report [22:44]
mike_c interesting [22:44]
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jurov and why i'm asking in first place. noo our friend jorash again [22:48]
jurov i'll say more later [22:48]
jurov of simulated quantum computing fame [22:48]
trinque [22:48]
assbot Apple is reportedly giving the Chinese government access to its devices for “security checks” – Quartz ... ( ) [22:48]
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asciilifeform << mega-usg-lol [22:52]
assbot ... ( ) [22:52]
asciilifeform ^ condemned to pay infinite fine, and to use only microshit [22:53]
asciilifeform (pgs. 4, 5) [22:53]
asciilifeform on top of jail term [22:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00041692 = 13.133 BTC [-] [22:55]
trinque asciilifeform: "mental health treatment" << we will drug the fuck out of you until you forget your name [22:57]
asciilifeform for non-u.s. folks: gigantic fines like these are imposed in case the condemned owned any real estate [22:57]
asciilifeform which is then auctioned off [22:57]
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danielpbarron << birth of gribble? [23:03]
assbot ... ( ) [23:03]
decimation asciilifeform: lol @ probation restrictions [23:04]
asciilifeform decimation: apparently, typical [23:04]
decimation yes, given that they are a 'program' [23:04]
asciilifeform it's rather puzzling why they haven't reached the point where the condemned is required to wear a wireless microphone, camera, and shock collar [23:05]
decimation why don't these kind of people with a brain just leave the country? [23:05]
trinque decimation: working on it!! [23:06]
asciilifeform hard enough -without- the collar [23:06]
decimation I guess usg is very good at the good cop/bad cop routine in its derpy way [23:06]
trinque turns out you have to pay them for the right to cross the imaginary line an odd number of times [23:06]
decimation the real problem with us 'gulag' system isn't really the jail term, etc [23:07]
asciilifeform trinque: that's more of an issue if you're actually worth money [23:07]
decimation it's the fact that you will never be employed by a non-sleazy person again [23:07]
trinque asciilifeform: I imagine so [23:07]
asciilifeform usa is a tar pit the likes of which cannot be imagined by folks unfamiliar with the subject. those without money - cannot afford to make even basic preparations to flee; those with some - e.g., with a profession - know full well that they are not needed or wanted outside of the usg sphere of influence; those with serious money - understand (or sometimes don't) that their 'wealth' is really a creature of usg, and really lives i [23:11]
asciilifeform n the treasury all along [23:11]
trinque decimation: my biz employs a friend who was thoroughly stomped by the... incidentally texan justice system for sending a prank email [23:12]
trinque in high school [23:12]
trinque they pounded him under some kind of computer terrorism thing, and he could barely find work [23:12]
trinque sharp dude, works his ass off [23:12]
decimation yeah I feel sorry for folks caught in such a chumpatron [23:13]
decimation he would be better off going to mexico probably [23:13]
asciilifeform if i were a kgb recruiter, i would be searching for these folks. [23:13]
asciilifeform far and wide. [23:13]
mike_c asciilifeform: what's the target memory usage for this thing? [23:13]
decimation [23:13]
asciilifeform mike_c: <128M [23:13]
assbot Tor and Encryption Have Created a ‘Zone of Lawlessness,’ Justice Department Says | Motherboard ... ( ) [23:13]
decimation "Caldwell was being interviewed as a part of the annual State of the Net Conference in Washington, DC. One minute, she was vilifying encryption; the next, she was sending a message to the country’s citizens and companies that they need to be “more conscious of cybersecurity.” “They need to be assuming they are vulnerable, assuming their data can be taken,” she said" [23:14]
mike_c ok. mine takes ~220 right out of the gate, i assume there are some dials that can lower that? [23:14]
trinque how do they expect to beat the curiosity out of people for generations and expect that anyone useful will be produced? [23:14]
asciilifeform mike_c: what you're seeing is largely os disk cache. [23:14]
mike_c k [23:15]
cazalla asciilifeform, why recruit these folk? fwiw, i never had a single one door knock me and offer a job lol [23:15]
assbot i'm an OG troll.. this was from 15 years ago today.. i'll still be at it in another 15 years [23:15]
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mike_c as update, my 0 orphan test didn't go anywhere (stopped cold at block 500). So I'm trying now with a 50 block orphan cache. I think the right number is proportional to the # of connections you have. [23:15]
mike_c anyhoo, we'll see how this one runs. [23:15]
asciilifeform cazalla: what's that [23:15]
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cazalla if i were a kgb recruiter, i would be searching for these folks. <<< re: that or maybe i just misread chat [23:16]
asciilifeform aha [23:17]
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asciilifeform cazalla: what's the perfect job for intelligent, resourceful folks shut out of the normal economy by demented regime ? [23:17]
cazalla killing people or just making threats? :P [23:18]
BingoBoingo cazalla: what's the perfect job for intelligent, resourceful folks shut out of the normal economy by demented regime ? << Very interested in answer to this question. [23:18]
asciilifeform the fascination with 'death threats' the nato world has is very peculiar [23:18]
trinque asciilifeform: this was how my friend's email was construed [23:19]
asciilifeform if you were planning to kill someone, would you helpfully tell him first ? [23:19]
trinque can't recall the text of it but really... "school's out forever" level stuff, nothing terrible [23:19]
decimation asciilifeform: I think it is related to the 'confession culture' of the us legal system [23:19]
trinque grow up cowards [23:19]
asciilifeform it's related to the 'cardinal richelieu' culture of having the proverbial six words written by every honest man to hang him by [23:20]
asciilifeform some fool with a short temper, fond of 'death threating' - will be condemned for that [23:20]
asciilifeform dope aficionado - for dope [23:20]
asciilifeform popular with the gurlz? (assange!) - 'rape' [23:21]
asciilifeform etc. [23:21]
trinque make any money? irs [23:21]
asciilifeform can fill in this chart [23:21]
asciilifeform not hard. [23:21]
cazalla actually, australian magistrate's just tell you to go away and stop wasting his time with death threat charges [23:21]
decimation cazalla: do they jail the drunken aboriginals much there? [23:22]
cazalla decimation, nope, they run em over [23:22]
assbot Man jumps off bridge and gets hit by a fire truck - YouTube ... ( ) [23:22]
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BingoBoingo Pretty sure Australia just helps the Abbos gas themselves [23:22]
decimation \] [23:22]
cazalla BingoBoingo, that'd be the british, they'd bury the abo kids in the sand and kick their heads off [23:24]
BingoBoingo cazalla: I though your government was still shipping them that recreational 87 octane [23:24]
cazalla cheap atm too, 99c a L for 91o, i'm sure the abos can afford top shelf 98o at these prices [23:25]
asciilifeform if anyone here is fond of www programming, can write one of those quizzes, a la 'which genocidal dictator are you?' --- 'what will you be in u.s. prison for, ten years hence ?' [23:28]
BingoBoingo Gas just went up 25 cents here today after going up 10 cents earlier this week. [23:28]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: a number of locales are in the process of raising fuel tax, yours may be one of them [23:29]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not yet. Across the river there is talk of it, but not yet here. [23:29]
asciilifeform basic 'laffer curve' idea, it would seem [23:29]
BingoBoingo Right [23:30]
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BingoBoingo Mega lol [23:38]
assbot I don’t know what to do, you guys | Fredrik deBoer ... ( ) [23:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41250 @ 0.0004302 = 17.7458 BTC [+] {3} [23:49]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: If you ever have reason to soul slander gar again, here is a picture of his namesake meeting an end [23:57]
assbot Dinner time. [23:57]
kakobrekla lol [23:58]
kakobrekla nice pic [23:58]
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