Forum logs for 29 Feb 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

pete_dushenski	http://www.rbc.ru/business/12/09/2015/55f41c069a79470d63db37df	[00:00]
assbot	Автор теории «черного лебедя» назвал причины для инвестиций в Россию :: Бизнес :: РБК ... ( http://bit.ly/1XU46GH )	[00:00]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: is rms hawking these turds himself ? cui bono from this misdirection ?	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> pete_dushenski: i suspect that it is a js thing << look at the page source. no js, just a href anchors.	[00:01]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: you are still thinking of rms as a self-aware creature, having a thought process	[00:01]
asciilifeform	i am no longer sure that this is true.	[00:01]
pete_dushenski	perhaps so eh	[00:02]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Perhaps he has become a lichen as he aged. Half man half malassezia since the toe jam incident.	[00:13]
punkman	are there any alt-RMSes?	[00:25]
asciilifeform	wtf would that even mean ?	[00:27]
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asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: when confronted with the idea that his life's work is an utter failure, man tends to wander into some very peculiar corners.	[00:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.0005826 = 2.2139 BTC [+]	[00:32]
punkman	asciilifeform: wtf would that even mean ? << other crazy fsf people that want to be rms	[00:35]
pete_dushenski	in other cultural news, http://archive.is/ZxUaw	[00:35]
assbot	Jean-Marie Le Pen on Twitter: "Si j’étais américain, je voterais Donald TRUMP… Mais que Dieu le protège !" ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMgzuD )	[00:35]
asciilifeform	punkman: you cannot 'be rms' without the history	[00:35]
asciilifeform	it is pretty much all he has.	[00:35]
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asciilifeform	https://www.mail-archive.com/trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info/msg46322.html << aaaaaaaand apparently i am not the only one to notice.	[00:37]
assbot	[Trisquel-users] X60 Libreboot Trisquel 7 Overheating ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMgF5y )	[00:37]
punkman	what, the history of "utter failure"	[00:37]
asciilifeform	punkman: the history of emacs and gcc	[00:37]
asciilifeform	and the miscellaneous (e.g., ai lab) legends.	[00:37]
asciilifeform	etc.	[00:37]
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mircea_popescu	!up DicePower	[00:51]
-assbot-	You voiced DicePower for 30 minutes.	[00:51]
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mircea_popescu	you can voice yourself by pm-ing !v to assbot	[00:51]
DicePower	Ahh okay, thought I had to decode that hash thing.	[00:52]
DicePower	(which didn't work for some reason)	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	you will, yes.	[00:52]
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asciilifeform	https://twitter.com/bejaranodelgado/status/589634676093943808 << cargocult idiots.	[00:57]
asciilifeform	flea as in fleadom.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you use tghe wifi ?	[00:59]
asciilifeform	i threw the intel wifi in the trash and installed atheros.	[00:59]
asciilifeform	but yes, i use it.	[00:59]
asciilifeform	its a motherfucking laptop.	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	ah right	[01:00]
asciilifeform	and i own an ir thermometer.	[01:00]
asciilifeform	and fucking hate idiots.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	maybe i'm thick, but...	[01:01]
asciilifeform	the original card heats, yes. new - no.	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	ah	[01:03]
asciilifeform	plus there is apparently no remnant of doubt that coreboot (aka linuxbios) does not properly handle the variable cpu clock thing, nor the fan controller	[01:04]
asciilifeform	and people just live with this.	[01:04]
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asciilifeform	phun phakt, the x60's original bios has 'computrace' infection, though this is mentioned nowhere in the docs, nor in the original 'bios setup' (normally, they do.)	[01:08]
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phf	most of the time i spent setting up linux on macbook pro was tracing and eliminating overheating problems	[01:09]
asciilifeform	eliminated how ?	[01:09]
phf	cargoculting /proc and disabling almost everything. on mbp issue is mostly with discrete ATI card	[01:11]
asciilifeform	'almost everything' being, e.g., what ?	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	what's cargoculting ?	[01:12]
phf	ati card, bus that it sits on, wifi, sd card slot, firewire slot, hdmi, bus that those sit on	[01:12]
asciilifeform	phf: what is even the point? why not throw whole thing in the trash ?	[01:12]
asciilifeform	what is the use of the box without these parts ?	[01:13]
phf	manually forcing cpu to run in save as much battery mode	[01:13]
asciilifeform	ick	[01:13]
asciilifeform	go and gentoo on that.	[01:13]
asciilifeform	what rubbish.	[01:13]
phf	well, that's why i'm back on mac os x in defeat	[01:13]
phf	i gave up because integrated intel card and ati card combination required some fancy grub PEEK/POKE combination, and i didn't want to do grub	[01:14]
asciilifeform	i would have said 'there is a less atrocious machine, the legendary x60' but now i WON'T ...	[01:14]
phf	oddly enough doing that same PEEK/POKE after the linux framebuffer kicked in would blankscreen the machine.	[01:14]
asciilifeform	dual gpu boxes will never work, don't even bother.	[01:15]
phf	i'd probably persevere but it was interfering with my work, only so much you can do with cli emacs, without a proper browser	[01:16]
phf	mircea_popescu: extreme case of "tom knight and the lisp machine", doing things with no understanding hoping to produce desired effect	[01:17]
asciilifeform	at some point (not any time soon, i've elementarily no time) i will replace the thermal paste in the x60 with industrial diamond	[01:17]
asciilifeform	it often helps.	[01:17]
asciilifeform	but srsly wtf.	[01:18]
phf	i have a borrowed carbon x1 that i'm hoping to make use of. guy was running ubuntu on it, and clean slackware install at the very least doesn't exhibit particularly aberrant behaviors	[01:19]
phf	but the whole exercise feels a bit hair shirt	[01:20]
asciilifeform	i draw the line at 'randomly crashes during compiles'	[01:21]
asciilifeform	this is not tolerable.	[01:22]
phf	maybe i can get away with running 10.9 for the next five years at which point b-a will have its own scheme-81 clean room, yeah?	[01:22]
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asciilifeform	woah that thing runs at 80c.	[01:24]
asciilifeform	(at 50% cpu utilization)	[01:24]
phf	well, yeah, all those hoops i jumped through, compiling anything non-trivial would kick in fans at 60000	[01:24]
asciilifeform	at least your fans ~work~	[01:24]
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phf	ahaha	[01:24]
phf	i see	[01:24]
asciilifeform	libreboot just sort of runs it at mid-rpm at all times.	[01:24]
asciilifeform	and hopes for the best.	[01:24]
asciilifeform	this immediately tells me something about the authors	[01:25]
asciilifeform	namely, that they do not actually use linux (i.e. gentoo) on their boxes	[01:25]
asciilifeform	or the idiocy would have become immediately apparent	[01:25]
asciilifeform	as it dies in the first 20 min. of setup, during the very first compiles	[01:25]
asciilifeform	l0l and randomly looking for this, found something that could be straight out of mircea_popescu's zoo,	[01:28]
asciilifeform	https://www.aspiescentral.com/threads/hello.13236	[01:28]
assbot	Hello \| AspiesCentral.com ... ( http://bit.ly/215ej2U )	[01:28]
asciilifeform	'My laptop is a Thinkpad x60 running the LibreBoot bios and Debian GNU/Linux, it overheats alot, especially when viewing Star Trek outtakes of Captain Picard. It survives though, even at 90 Celsius... It should die, but it's strong.'	[01:28]
asciilifeform	'Basically I've accepted a life without physical friends, except family.'	[01:28]
phf	ahaha	[01:28]
pete_dushenski	https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7O7ia86qD_Y/VtJ2uau5siI/AAAAAAAAktI/pNIw6qWK0qQ/s640/lSWpaqG.jpg << kim jong furry	[01:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/215eqf0 )	[01:29]
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asciilifeform	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9816994 << l0ltr0n	[01:33]
assbot	MacOS is the new Windows \| Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QPWiGv )	[01:33]
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mircea_popescu	and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/3df1b14e966c727a62ef37f7b04ab97f/tumblr_meo8gnZO971qcl6pmo1_1280.jpg	[02:52]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/215mkFb )	[02:52]
*	BingoBoingo relishes in that feeing of power that follows one's presence ending a turf war.	[02:58]
BingoBoingo	the turf, one well lit front yard. The combatants a vocal orange neighborhood cat and a fox	[03:00]
BingoBoingo	I go out front to see what the fuss is and the cat shoots out of the tree and under a car while the fox shoots off into a the park	[03:01]
phf	BingoBoingo sets own yard on fire to settle a long running dispute between cat and fox in favor of man	[03:03]
BingoBoingo	Nah, just smoke a cigarette and pissed on some bushes	[03:04]
BingoBoingo	They gotta understand that when man can mark territory with their weight in piss it is man's world.	[03:06]
phf	i'm always reminded of that movie where i guy was living among wolves, every morning he'd drink a lot of coffee and make rounds	[03:07]
BingoBoingo	Well coffee helps when keeping up with all the rest of nature	[03:08]
punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcWsxw8UMAAI2El.jpg:large	[03:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1pjL2pr )	[03:23]
phf	that evokes images of a decisive cup, rationed coffee as a boost for man's will in harsh conditions. most of the coffee experience i'm surrounded with is not like that at all. office workers on a litre a day, hipsters with artisanal pourovers, three jobs just to keep up crowd on a dunken donuts extra large. not much keeping up with nature	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	you should see the coffee here.	[03:24]
BingoBoingo	Wait, you don't drink it all by the pot?	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	nah, i drink a pot of coffee in like a month	[03:26]
phf	http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/08/04/t1larg.business.coffee.jpg	[03:26]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1pjLkwG )	[03:26]
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phf	i don't mind the idea, but, if you need this much coffee, why not just take amphetamines?	[03:29]
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BingoBoingo	phf: Because that would be bad for my sobriety	[03:33]
phf	i thought aa mostly object to other substances only as much as they trigger alcohol abuse. unless you have a history of mixing alcohol and speed, there shouldn't be any crossover	[03:35]
BingoBoingo	How would I know if I did have a history of that?	[03:37]
phf	some good parties you go to	[03:37]
phf	it was mostly a rhetorical question, i just think that once you cross certain line with a substance, perhaps it's worthwhile to try something different. but since coffee guzzling is mostly done from lack of attention, perhaps it's not a good idea	[03:39]
BingoBoingo	Well, supposedly coffee is good for the liver	[03:39]
phf	in a correlation/causation world of pop medicine here's ten things that you need to know about new use for an old drug that's all the rage	[03:42]
BingoBoingo	Well, the mechanics make sense	[03:43]
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phf	so does any other arbitrary chain of biochemical events that some team somewhere decides to investigate. it's the mutual interaction of those events that makes the entire system not amenable to reasoning	[03:49]
phf	throw in statistical ranges and often shoddy studies and you might as well go quoting ayurvedic doctors	[03:50]
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mircea_popescu	well nobody seriously wants to contemplate that hey, 19 haplogroups, 100+ subgroups each, subgroups of subgroups, and serious test of "is coffee good or bad" needs 1mn+ subjects	[03:55]
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*	mircea_popescu is vaguely bracing himself for discovery that tobacco essential for healthy, cca 2050 or so	[03:56]
BingoBoingo	Well, grandpa did smoke into his late 60's to early 70's	[04:01]
phf	from the study of dynamic systems, "researches put more wood on kindling, create big fire. more wood is good for fire!" "researches put more wood on massive fire, fire suffocates. less wood is good for fire!"	[04:02]
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*	BingoBoingo wonders what could be so harmful about drinking less coffee con a daily basis than I often did vodka	[04:08]
B0g4r7__	b6 bad_duck ben_vulpes BigBitz BingoBoingo bounce	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	!up b6	[04:09]
-assbot-	You voiced b6 for 30 minutes.	[04:09]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol so apparently r/btc moderator turned out to be con man, took donations to hash, kept donations since classic doomed anyway.	[04:11]
*	BingoBoingo not surprised	[04:11]
*	BingoBoingo not sure if news	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	kinda so-so.	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	notrly. more like a logline at best.	[04:14]
phf	BingoBoingo: oh i wasn't saying it's harmful, i was saying that when coffee stops working, perhaps it's time to take amphetamines, since it's a cleaner and longer productive high. of course with a history of substance abuse of any kind it is perhaps not a good idea (same people who drink coffee by the litre, start eating amphetamines, etc.)	[04:14]
phf	but i'm going to drop the subject, i'm being tedious and i need to pass out anyway	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	phf amphetamines are not a good idea in any case.	[04:14]
BingoBoingo	Eh, coffee still works	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	contrary to a whole lot of gargle, the list of +ev usage is ~empty.	[04:14]
b6	Oh my, i have voice	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	so you do. who're you ?	[04:15]
b6	Just someone interested in bitcoins, and related interests.	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[04:16]
b6	Found you guys in a weird way, not gunna lie.	[04:16]
b6	Through the most recent f2pool ddos, to be exact.	[04:16]
ben_vulpes	how through a ddos did you get here?	[04:17]
ben_vulpes	b6: ^^	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	how through an english did you speak that	[04:18]
b6	Icebreaker was claiming something about coming from La serenissima	[04:20]
b6	Googled that, found MP's article, googles them, found this channel	[04:20]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: gutter cascadian lingo	[04:21]
ben_vulpes	straight from the streets yo	[04:21]
ben_vulpes	homie	[04:21]
phf	all dat dank ass portland weed	[04:22]
ben_vulpes	b6: what is an icebreaker?	[04:23]
ben_vulpes	phf: i humbly bring lolz: http://www.everetthousehealingcenter.com/	[04:24]
assbot	Everett House Healing Center ... ( http://bit.ly/21uRprj )	[04:24]
b6	The guy on BTC-T claiming he shut down f2pool this week	[04:26]
b6	In response to them allowing miners to use classic	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	and what's btc-t ?	[04:38]
B0g4r7__	b6 bad_duck ben_vulpes BigBitz BingoBoingo bounce	[04:39]
B0g4r7__	b6 bad_duck ben_vulpes BigBitz BingoBoingo bounce	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	anyway b6 make yourself a key get in teh wot.	[04:39]
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BingoBoingo	!up eth2	[04:51]
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eth2	ohai	[04:51]
BingoBoingo	hai thur	[04:51]
eth2	i guess you've had quite a lot of visitors today haha	[04:52]
eth2	them logfiles	[04:52]
BingoBoingo	it happens	[04:52]
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asciilifeform	'Even without adding D-Bus to the default runlevel it often will get started by D-Bus dependent services. This should explain why D-Bus mysteriously gets started even though it has not been added formally added to a system runlevel.'	[10:00]
asciilifeform	(gentoo docs)	[10:00]
asciilifeform	and apparently emacs will no longer build without it.	[10:00]
asciilifeform	https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-992146.html << fascinating read	[10:02]
assbot	Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Uninstalling dbus and *kits (to Unfacilitate Remote Seats) ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQ8p6l )	[10:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00058648 = 28.2097 BTC [+] {2}	[10:03]
asciilifeform	by the author of https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7558880.html#7558880	[10:04]
assbot	Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Air-Gapped Gentoo Install, Tentative ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQ8rv1 )	[10:04]
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punkman	interesting stuff asciilifeform	[10:27]
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punkman	"basically, Grsecurity fixes what Linus leaves open and unprotected for whichever reason in the GNU/Linux kernel, and that seems to annoy the genius very much... It's a real though subdued war out there, and Grsecurity had a moment of mild failure for a few days, exactly after a major contribution by, wait, wait!... by the Dear Leader himself..."	[10:29]
asciilifeform	http://www.croatiafidelis.hr << herr rovis himself.	[10:32]
assbot	Udruga Croatia Fidelis ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQ9drP )	[10:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: can you get him in here somehow ??	[10:32]
asciilifeform	'Somebody seems to have been joking with portage, and not in a nice way (maybe they aim at hurting the feelings of some pizza delivery guy, because that's not illegal like hurting animals)... '	[10:34]
asciilifeform	'Most of those are conditional dependencies (useflag ? ...), and I checked and all of those with dbus ? sys-apps/dbus) have -dbus or no dbus at all in the output of emerge -p. But if I try and check dependencies on those that do depend on dbus...: ...it appears that if gtk+ with useflag X can't work without accessibility/at-spi2-atk ...'	[10:34]
asciilifeform	'... why should, say, Emacs depend on dbus? '	[10:35]
asciilifeform	'Do I really have to be forced to use accessibility if I want just the gtk gui? I don't have the time needed to learn to modify ebuild, and keep a separate overlay... I want to use Gentoo, not keep building it forever. Do I really have to accomodate for remote seat to be able to use Gentoo? '	[10:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171400 @ 0.0005796 = 99.3434 BTC [-] {6}	[10:37]
asciilifeform	gold from the commentz:	[10:37]
asciilifeform	'Launching Tor Browser Bundle for Linux in /tmp/tor-browser_en-US XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /tmp/tor-browser_en-US/Browser/libxul.so: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'	[10:38]
asciilifeform	^ 'tor browser' eats dbus	[10:38]
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asciilifeform	rovis reminds me more than ANYONE of dragos ruiu.	[10:40]
asciilifeform	but there are really not so many folks soldiering on to keep the last usable linux quasi-alive.	[10:40]
asciilifeform	'go to war with the army you have.'	[10:41]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418055 >>>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402410	[10:43]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 07:22:50; ben_vulpes: phf: i humbly bring lolz: http://www.everetthousehealingcenter.com/	[10:43]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2016 20:28:39; asciilifeform: or everett's solution !	[10:43]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418017 << there are devil knows how many people who would be on dope if they had any way of getting to it.	[10:45]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 06:37:37; phf: it was mostly a rhetorical question, i just think that once you cross certain line with a substance, perhaps it's worthwhile to try something different. but since coffee guzzling is mostly done from lack of attention, perhaps it's not a good idea	[10:45]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418038 << does mircea_popescu remember the sleep ad libitum thread ?	[10:47]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 07:13:02; mircea_popescu: contrary to a whole lot of gargle, the list of +ev usage is ~empty.	[10:47]
asciilifeform	yes, it is better to sleep ad libitum, and wash yourself in the morning with fresh virgin tears and panda milk.	[10:47]
asciilifeform	than to take dope.	[10:47]
asciilifeform	and works best on a dirigible, also.	[10:47]
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asciilifeform	caffeine etc. users are not typically faced with a mircea_popescutronic choice of 'should i dope or should i sleep how much i want and bathe in virgin tears.' more often, it is a 'i WILL get 4 hrs. of sleep and there is nothing to be done about it. will it be 4 hr and then i fall asleep at my desk and get sacked or 4 hr of being reasonably awake.'	[10:49]
asciilifeform	*4 hr and	[10:50]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2014#808005 << related thread.	[10:51]
assbot	Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems	[10:51]
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trinque	wtf happened to freenode this weekend?	[11:36]
trinque	deedbot- was connecting to adam.freenode.net successfully, then never appearing here.	[11:37]
trinque	switched to the chat.freenode.net rotation, joins.	[11:37]
trinque	https://freenode.net/ << "Making freenode great again..." lolwut	[11:38]
assbot	freenode - supporting free and open source communities since 1998! ... ( http://bit.ly/1T45tDn )	[11:38]
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PeterL	trinque: I wonder if we ever get gossipd to replace freenode, will we still have these sorts of connection problems?	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	not globally.	[11:48]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418119 << quite psychanalizable, ftr. notice the spurt of "make x great again" ever since 2015 or so.	[12:02]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 14:36:29; trinque: https://freenode.net/ << "Making freenode great again..." lolwut	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, water infrastructure has decayed to the point nobody involved EVNE KNOWS you can't drink from lake then switch to river	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	and new york has been failing to maintain it's nuclear power plants.	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	think about it - by the time a nuclear plant starts crying out for lack of maintenance, how badly maintained was everything else ?	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	and for how long ?	[12:03]
PeterL	It wasn't clear in the story, is the nuclear problem in New York leaking into their water system and poisoning everybody?	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418089 << how lol.	[12:04]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 13:31:04; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can you get him in here somehow ??	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	PeterL no, the water thing is re michigan.	[12:05]
PeterL	yeah, I know about MI water, but NY is leaking into their river, are they taking river water into their drinking water?	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla jurov either of you doing on the side the gfs of any croatian nazi leader doods ? that might know this guy ? lol.	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	PeterL you are aware NOBODY KNOWS what ny water does, not anymore. shit in there that hasn't been touched in 50+ years.	[12:06]
jurov	doing what?	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	it's "unmaintainable" ie, unmaintained. once it goes, it goes. start trucking water bottles for 5mn people.	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	jurov "doing on the side" means, fucking, as an extra, other than current relationship.	[12:07]
jurov	there's a nzi leader in slovakia but im not doing his bfs	[12:07]
PeterL	I guess my question is: where does NY city pull it's drinking water from? Is it at all connected to the Hudson River?	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	i do not believe anyone alive today can answer this question cogently.	[12:07]
PeterL	millions of people live in new york, and they all just assume somebody else is keeping their stuff running for them	[12:08]
PeterL	world would be better off if they all get sick and die	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418093 << accessibility , for the record, is another dns/ntp/font bs.	[12:09]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 13:35:07; asciilifeform: 'Do I really have to be forced to use accessibility if I want just the gtk gui? I don't have the time needed to learn to modify ebuild, and keep a separate overlay... I want to use Gentoo, not keep building it forever. Do I really have to accomodate for remote seat to be able to use Gentoo? '	[12:09]
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thestringpuller	PeterL: prob why they used to make a lot of escape from new york movies.	[12:09]
mircea_popescu	PeterL no argument there.	[12:09]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418097 << doh.	[12:11]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 13:36:35; asciilifeform: ^ 'tor browser' eats dbus	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418108 << sfyl.	[12:11]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 13:45:59; asciilifeform: yes, it is better to sleep ad libitum, and wash yourself in the morning with fresh virgin tears and panda milk.	[12:11]
thestringpuller	5k more blocks on node	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418117 << they have to put in some emergency patches once people here have started blocking dns autoresolution.	[12:13]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 14:35:18; trinque: deedbot- was connecting to adam.freenode.net successfully, then never appearing here.	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	sorry, should have announced trilema article in advance for cia/nsa/blablabla.	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	i must have misplaced my copy of the agreement.	[12:13]
PeterL	in other news, my trb node (syncing since January) is now up to July 2014	[12:16]
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mircea_popescu	nb.	[12:36]
deedbot-	[serialized delusions] Embedded Common Lisp for Eulora - http://explo.yt/post/2016/02/29/Embedded-Common-Lisp-for-Eulora	[12:50]
jurov	;;later tell fghj ^	[12:52]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:52]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b1	[12:52]
phf	i think emacs has dbus support to do fluff like message notification, last time i built it on linux it built without dbus just fine, but i prefer xlib/athena widgets (i know ascii hates them), since i basically disable menu/scrollbar/etc. not sure if maybe gtk widgets now have dbus hardwired	[12:55]
phf	of course fact that emacs supports dbus but not a generic ffi goes back to thread about rms and wreckers	[12:56]
asciilifeform	not simply 'supports'.	[13:04]
asciilifeform	pulls in.	[13:04]
asciilifeform	i am seriously fucking pissed	[13:05]
asciilifeform	because, among other things, i mistakenly blamed openbsd for this.	[13:05]
phf	you mean in gentoo parlance? an emacs ebuild doesn't respect -dbus flag, and pulls it unconditionally?	[13:05]
asciilifeform	aha.	[13:06]
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asciilifeform	https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2012-08/msg00014.html << the rot goes way back.	[13:09]
assbot	bug#12112: 24.1.50; Starting emacs without dbus ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPVHwN )	[13:09]
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asciilifeform	http://changelog.complete.org/archives/9317-has-linux-lost-its-way-comments-prompt-a-debian-developer-to-revisit-freebsd-after-20-years << in other nyooz.	[13:16]
assbot	“Has Linux lost its way?” comments prompt a Debian developer to revisit FreeBSD after 20 years \| The Changelog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPWGNH )	[13:16]
asciilifeform	well, oldz	[13:16]
asciilifeform	or nm, i think this is in the logz.	[13:16]
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asciilifeform	http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=108616&start=60#p577538 << far more interesting.	[13:18]
assbot	Debian User Forums • View topic - Grsecurity/Pax installation on Debian GNU/Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/24x4gZ4 )	[13:18]
asciilifeform	^ moar rovis	[13:18]
asciilifeform	;;google "emacs without dbus"	[13:21]
gribble	Re: Emacs insists on starting dbus? - Lists - GNU: ; Re: Emacs insists on starting dbus? - Lists - GNU: ; bug#12112: 24.1.50; Starting emacs without dbus - Lists - GNU:	[13:21]
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phf	tuomo valkonen has been ranting about that stuff back in 2005 or so	[13:40]
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phf	"why is this freedesktop shit being compiled in with no way of disabling it"	[13:41]
phf	his (and mine) pet peve at the time was mandatory freetype (i think that linux's dodgy hinting and antialiasing are worse then running it aliased and at the time i wanted bitmap fonts everywhere)	[13:43]
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phf	not to mention that freetype pulls in the whole dodgy freedesktop stack. why do i need 5 different libraries to support arabic ligatures?	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	heh	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	you don't understand universalism.	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	the reasoning goes, that if arabs have no way of knowing they're arabs, such as for instance if the use of THEIR script happens transparently everywhere, then they won't be able to maintain a sense of nationality and consequently jena bush's tush will remain unmolested.	[13:46]
phf	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmpMO2dJQ6Q	[13:47]
assbot	Barney - I Love You (Extended Play 15 times back-to-back!!) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RfEi2m )	[13:47]
phf	^	[13:47]
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mircea_popescu	this of course means you must support arabic ligature in your kkkapp made specifically to scrawl white supremacist nonsense on virtual toilets in gta4.	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	but it also means you needn't worry about it - as a consumer, it'll just be done for you, automagically!	[13:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45397 @ 0.00059164 = 26.8587 BTC [+] {2}	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	and to take the discussion up a coupla levels of abstraction : this is not a technical problem in any sense. in fact, the only thing that a classification of problems into technical and otherwise says is that ~the classifier~ is broken in the head.	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	or if you prefer, poorly socialised. still entertains the delusion that he'll make a nice woman out of marble and invent a lock that'll keep rats out of his granary.	[13:50]
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mircea_popescu	!up deupork	[13:52]
-assbot-	You voiced deupork for 30 minutes.	[13:52]
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asciilifeform	so at this point i'm satisfied that rms either 1) does not actually use an x60 machine with 'libreboot' ~~or~~ does not program.	[13:57]
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mircea_popescu	all he does is prepare conference slides. for 20+ yearsn ow	[14:06]
asciilifeform	proving that it is eminently possible to be eaten alive by fungus ~without~ working directly for usg.	[14:07]
asciilifeform	fungus is available to all.	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	ie, old age ?	[14:08]
asciilifeform	not only.	[14:09]
asciilifeform	(rms was, what, 40, 20 yrs ago ?)	[14:09]
asciilifeform	my current understanding is that he didn't really psychologically weather the hurd thing.	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	what thng again ?	[14:10]
asciilifeform	he had a thing that was supposed to be what linux was	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	oh	[14:11]
asciilifeform	called gnu hurd	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	hm	[14:11]
asciilifeform	for various reasons, rms et al were unable to produce a usable kernel.	[14:11]
asciilifeform	then linus appeared, and did	[14:11]
asciilifeform	and 'stole' the gnu userland, to go with it	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	various reasons = being flaming imbeciles with no inclination towards work	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	he basically saw himself as a sort of jimbo wales. except forgot the part where tardpedia can contain anything, epistula non erubiscit, but the compiler doth complain.	[14:13]
asciilifeform	as i recall, the original plan was to use some bsd variant	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	and if a community vote is held to silence the complaints for racist and whatrever,	[14:13]
asciilifeform	and rms wrote, later, that not doing this was a catastrophic mistake	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	the system just hangs.	[14:13]
asciilifeform	instead, he went with 'mach', which was owned by - iirc - CMU, and stuck in legal limbo	[14:13]
asciilifeform	and while the latter hashed out, the project withered.	[14:14]
asciilifeform	so no, this was not a pediwikian sort of catastrophe, but worse.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	environment not yet ripe for "fuck you - breaking the law by license!" alexandrine solution	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	it being the 80s and shit.	[14:14]
asciilifeform	aha.	[14:14]
asciilifeform	it was the '80s, and the man was 'dependently wealthy.'	[14:14]
asciilifeform	(rms won some sort of prize for gcc, but it was only enough for a few yrs, apparently, and parasites helped to eat it faster)	[14:15]
asciilifeform	i do not know where it went, but afaik he still lives in a repurposed closet at mit.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	afaik.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	"being flaming imbeciles with no inclination towards work".	[14:17]
punkman	relevant http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384117	[14:20]
assbot	Logged on 24-01-2016 12:42:16; punkman: http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/history_of_gcc_development.shtml	[14:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i don't see the 'no inclination towards work' thing	[14:21]
asciilifeform	rms was working on catastrophically broken priors, but worked.	[14:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60450 @ 0.00059164 = 35.7646 BTC [+]	[14:24]
asciilifeform	interesting, from punkman's link:	[14:24]
asciilifeform	'Even when the SC is asked to decide something, they never go to RMS when they can help it, because he's so unaware of modern real-world technical issues and the bigger picture. It's far, far better to continue postponing a question than to ask it, when RMS is involved, because he will make a snap decision based on his own bizarre technical ideas, and then never change his mind in time for th	[14:24]
asciilifeform	He can be convinced. Eventually. It took the SC over a year to explain and demonstrate that Java bytecode could not easily be used to subvert the GPL, therefore permitting GCJ to be checked in to the official repository was okay. I'm sure that someday we'll be using C++ in core code. Just not anytime soon.'	[14:24]
asciilifeform	e new decision to be worth anything.	[14:25]
asciilifeform	^ rms when seen from the gnome pit	[14:25]
asciilifeform	stung from all sides by vermin who want him to 'get with the times', is it any wonder rms turned to stone ?	[14:25]
asciilifeform	'real-world technical issues and the bigger picture.'	[14:26]
asciilifeform	'his own bizarre technical ideas'.	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how does a man work who can't support himself ?	[14:27]
punkman	ah there'[s more http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/index.shtml	[14:27]
assbot	Richard Stallman ... ( http://bit.ly/1UupnXv )	[14:27]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: how does prisoner in butugychag work ?	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	masturbation is not work.	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform with the axe.	[14:28]
asciilifeform	it is when you're masturbating ~someone else~	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[14:28]
asciilifeform	at gunpoint	[14:28]
punkman	http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/philosopher.shtml#Lab%20Dweller	[14:29]
assbot	Part I. Philosopher ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uupylz )	[14:29]
punkman	"Here at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, he has made his home - literally, sleeping for 13 years on a narrow cot in a cubbyhole that resembles a nest, littered with candy wrappers, food containers, papers and magazines. Garbage tumbles off every surface, piles up in corners, allowing only a narrow track through which to navigate a life."	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	also, the proper quote is "modern real-world technical issues and the bigger picture". gotta get that MODERN in there, it is a key element of the belief system of idiots that the problems they encounter are novel.	[14:29]
asciilifeform	http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/prophet.shtml#An attempt of hostile takeover of glib << l0l drepper gold	[14:30]
assbot	Part IV. Stallman as a Prophet ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNbn9V )	[14:30]
asciilifeform	pretty sure this was in the logz at some point	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	wtf is with all these urls with spaces in them	[14:30]
asciilifeform	'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development. He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him. This attempt failed ... '	[14:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: nfi	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this was in the log.	[14:30]
asciilifeform	yeah iirc.	[14:30]
phf	is that drepper quote?	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the ridiculousness of form aside, i can readily see the twin point that rms is catastrophically blind and strategically worthless.	[14:32]
phf	back against the wall	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	enough illustration - he went to fucking glbse conference.	[14:32]
trinque	rms strikes me as a few rounds of imitation back from poettering and that ethereum kid	[14:33]
asciilifeform	srsly?	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	yes srsly.	[14:33]
asciilifeform	glbse?!	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	!s from:nefario stallman	[14:33]
assbot	0 results for 'from:nefario stallman' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Anefario+stallman	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	pff	[14:33]
asciilifeform	'In 1990, the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation granted Stallman a MacArthur fellowship. The grant, a $240,000 which is more then $500K in 2000 dollars provided Stallman with a source of income and health insurance for five years. That made it less necessary to do consulting work to support himself. Although RMS now can devote more time to the writing GNU software, but actually h	[14:33]
trinque	playing the role of slovenly hacker guy who chews his toenails	[14:33]
asciilifeform	e was almost 40 and his best years as a programmer were in the past. Programming is a young men game and such grants usually are a clear signs of a starting decay.	[14:33]
asciilifeform	'Unpleasant surprises followed. As leader of the GNU Project, Stallman experienced the first fork of Emacs in 1991. As we will see below by 1993, the GNU Project's completely lost the initiative due to an inability to deliver a working POSIX kernel. In March, 1993, a Wired magazine article by Simson Garfinkel described the GNU Project as "bogged down". GCC fork occurred a several years late	[14:33]
asciilifeform	r (1997) and was the last straw... '	[14:33]
trinque	same as any other chief scientist or wannabe religious nut leader	[14:34]
asciilifeform	nobody lives forever.	[14:34]
asciilifeform	some folks just spend longer time walking around as a zombie before burial, than others.	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/0H4QRZ4.txt << flavour of history, sep 2013.	[14:35]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1VNbQc1 )	[14:35]
asciilifeform	so we're taking nefario's word for it ?	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	the guy was actually there.	[14:36]
phf	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls	[14:38]
assbot	Soulja Boy dance, MIT style - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNc7fe )	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	to put this in proper perspective : "genjix" is the garbage-eating, underage-cousin-pimping, imbecile on a stick amir taaki.	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	stallman has reduced himself to the position where street urchins are pulling the "i'm paying you, stand up to attention" trick on him	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	in 2013.	[14:39]
kakobrekla	afaik it wasnt 'glbse conference' per se, however nefario had a talk there as well as stallman. https://sites.google.com/a/bitcoin2012.com/homepage/speakers / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN6Q--zqroM / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmPD_YSQ--k	[14:39]
assbot	Speakers - Bitcoin Conference London 15-16 September 2012 ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNcd6D )	[14:39]
assbot	Bitcoin 2012 London: Richard Stallman - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNcdmT )	[14:39]
assbot	Nefario - Bitcoin capital markets - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNcdmX )	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	and i do mean street urchins quite literally, the sort of mostly-nude eastern flesh that'd follow europeans begging for candy, either as a freebie or in trade for butthole.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla tell you what, if maddof has a talk there as well as obama, it'll be the ponzi conference.	[14:40]
asciilifeform	public toilet is, well, public	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	not how this works.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	you have to BUY A LICENSE to run a public house and be protected by this "publichouse" theory.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	and i sold them no such license.	[14:41]
asciilifeform	rms, as i understand, goes to all kinds of crud ('phreeee palestine!1111') to play at relevancy	[14:41]
asciilifeform	*relevance	[14:41]
phf	well, it's an opportunity for him to get his talking points in	[14:42]
asciilifeform	some intern, likely, told him a five minute spiel re: bitcoin	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	well, it's an opportunity for him to make nice for 500 bux.	[14:42]
asciilifeform	and he looked up 'bitcoin conference' and went.	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	but, back to the original point : catastrophic blindness and strategic worthlessness. the embodiment thereof, this is it.	[14:43]
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kakobrekla	rms was on nefarios conference as much as nefario was on rms conference	[14:53]
asciilifeform	^	[14:53]
asciilifeform	but i suspect that mircea_popescu is operating on the 'spoon of shit in barrel of wine' theorem	[14:54]
kakobrekla	aha	[14:54]
asciilifeform	but did rms even know that he was bathing in shit ?	[14:54]
kakobrekla	if i had to guess mps argument here; 'shit doesnt know/care about itself bathing in shit, only actual person does'	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	well no, actually, it's moreover related to	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2016#1416038	[15:01]
assbot	Logged on 26-02-2016 14:55:06; mircea_popescu: everything is on the exam. including stuff from the future.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	oh, he "didn't know" what was in front of him ? that's the definition of blindness. and he didn't know WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ?	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	well wtf, i get the same results from my dog. i don't make the dog a strategist. FOR THIS REASON.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	if dog could see future, dog would also be general.	[15:01]
asciilifeform	actually rms is the most consistently and accurately long-term doom prophet i'm personally aware of.	[15:02]
asciilifeform	beats the shit out of everyone else.	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	prophets are not strategists.	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	they're a sort of singers.	[15:02]
asciilifeform	~accurate~ prophet.	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	~good~ singers.	[15:02]
kakobrekla	yeah, his talks have been a carbon copy for a very long time on all the confs.	[15:02]
asciilifeform	so what's the operative difference ?	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	between what and what!	[15:03]
asciilifeform	prophet / strategist	[15:03]
asciilifeform	is it that the latter tells you what to do ?	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	listen to prophet, be entertained ; follow strategist, survive.	[15:03]
asciilifeform	well yes.	[15:04]
asciilifeform	but i was asking, what they do differently.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	because why, anything can be expressed in pascal ?	[15:04]
asciilifeform	aha!	[15:04]
asciilifeform	remember, i don't deal in inexpressables. or i'd be hanging at the dirigible club with mircea_popescu, and not here in this ditch	[15:05]
asciilifeform	i'm stuck with expressable.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	you'll have to one day tell me what's the "operative difference" between peach and pear, but not in the sense of "one has a wooden pit". instead, in the sense of "what do the trees do differently"	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	and i presume "everything" doesn't suit you.	[15:05]
asciilifeform	i can arrange this but the answer will be a few MB long.	[15:06]
asciilifeform	but certainly not inexpressable.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	don't flatter yourself. you can't arrange this, and the answer would provably be > petabytes long.	[15:06]
asciilifeform	MB if we get to #include from the genus.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	but you UNDERSTAND the meta point, which makes you lie to yourself about your capacities, because you really really want things to be a certain way.	[15:06]
asciilifeform	otherwise mircea_popescu has it.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	so basically this discussion just became 'explain this to me, and if you do i'll just pretend the explanation doesn't exist"	[15:07]
asciilifeform	actually i have a suitably grim picture of the capacities.	[15:07]
asciilifeform	having actually been tasked with attempting something quite like the peach/pear before.	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	aha	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	note in any case that "operative" in that context specifically seeks "wooden pit" type answers.	[15:08]
asciilifeform	but mircea_popescu misunderstood, i have no intention of pretending that the inexpressable distinction does not exist. merely stating that i am not equipped to deal in it.	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	and who is.	[15:09]
asciilifeform	possibly mircea_popescu ?	[15:09]
asciilifeform	whose profession it is.	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	sadly, nope.	[15:09]
asciilifeform	( strategist )	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	o, it is ? maybe when i'm having a good day.	[15:09]
phf	goes back to cause/purpose thing	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	now, granted, in re the trees, while it stands that you can't do it, i suspect you're right in suspecting it CAN be done.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	which makes it perhaps a substantially different bojum.	[15:11]
asciilifeform	i can't personally, with own hands, put a satellite in orbit, either.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	right.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	but i know people who put satellites in orbit ; i know no one who made the answer to the tree question.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	"step towards" is you know... another ledge.	[15:12]
asciilifeform	the tree question is approx. where rocketry was in 1930.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	mebbe.	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	note that cold fusion has been approx where rocketry was in 1930 for a good century now.	[15:15]
asciilifeform	mno.	[15:16]
asciilifeform	it was where transmutation was in 1500.	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	what's the operative difference ?	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	they're both where virgin teen is on prom night. is it going to be a good experience/marriage/life ? who knows ?	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	who even cares ? take it off!	[15:16]
asciilifeform	the difference between 'needs moar engineering' and charlatanry that can absorb $trillion with not a blip of result ?	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	note that mom and dad of virgin teen can liberally hold either of these views, interchangeably.	[15:17]
asciilifeform	also fusion is very much the wrong term.	[15:17]
asciilifeform	you can go and fuse in your kitchen right now.	[15:17]
asciilifeform	(see, e.g., farnsworth's device)	[15:17]
asciilifeform	the boojum is ~ +EV fusion ~.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	i think that's what the "cold" part is trying to suggest.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	otherwise... all sorts of "more expensive than it's worth" methods are known	[15:18]
asciilifeform	you can also cold fuse right now.	[15:18]
asciilifeform	whack palladium deuteride with hammer.	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	in a different take of "cold".	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	ie, not high temperature, cold. but the meaning contemplated in the expression is, i suspect, quite, "+ev, ie cold"	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	as in cold ownage.	[15:18]
asciilifeform	well there are two schools of fusion crackpottery, the 'hot' (tokamak, but really is just refinement of hbomb codes) and 'cold'.	[15:19]
asciilifeform	both have delusions of '+ev any day now'.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	i like the laser pumping people.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	lasers are fun.	[15:19]
asciilifeform	the 'hot' folks managed to strangle the 'cold' for the usg pig trough fight, yes.	[15:19]
asciilifeform	the laser thing is really the quest for the 'clean thermonuke' in disguise.	[15:20]
asciilifeform	(i.e. thermonuke that doesn't require a fissile initiator, ergo no need for refining U)	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[15:21]
asciilifeform	usg has an interesting relationship with the thing	[15:21]
asciilifeform	on one hand, it is the last thing a lizard wants to see appear.	[15:21]
asciilifeform	anywhere.	[15:21]
asciilifeform	on other hand, nobody can resist asking the question.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	"ideally, it would want it not to exist ; but if it must exist, it wants to be the only one to ever have it"	[15:22]
asciilifeform	aha.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	in a very "sf" take of the thing - actually workable, and perhaps miniaturizable laser-initiated compression would put the nuclear issue on about the same terms the war on drugs finds itself.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	ie, anyoen can make drugs and you won't be able to detect them and fuck you.	[15:23]
asciilifeform	aha.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	"here's where washington used to be, that crater to the left. oh, you never saw that 100cc of methane gas, did oyu ? awww!"	[15:23]
asciilifeform	and it won't cost much, either.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	shoulda looked for methane instead of 2,3-blablatronium.	[15:23]
asciilifeform	quite possibly everything else that usg does is preparation for this exam.	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	unlike the qc thing, i can't even say this is not in the cards.	[15:25]
asciilifeform	since '53 or whenever ulam realized that you don't actually need the fissile firecracker.	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	besides. gotta explain all the other lifeless planets out there ~somehow~.	[15:25]
asciilifeform	i can see hitler and dulles nodding to one another, 'yeah it'll be better to create a planet of castrated zombies'	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	i don't see that better.	[15:26]
asciilifeform	~they~ see it.	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	as the romanian expression goes, "apai atunci nu-i prea vad in clar"	[15:26]
asciilifeform	i'll take the lifeless crater, plox.	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	literally, "thus therefore, i don't see them to clearly", but that "not see clearly" really means, "it won't end up well for them". sort-of like prophet not seeing your future too clearly.	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	"in clar" also denotes plaintext, ie, immediately accessible. no need to explain and mediate their carcass into being, as it were.	[15:27]
asciilifeform	yudkowsky, of all people, wrote some story where there was a planet where they learned to make fusion device with ancient greek level tech. and the survivers evolved. into something strange.	[15:30]
asciilifeform	(into some monstrously happy/dopy/cooperative beast)	[15:30]
asciilifeform	at any rate, even orwell had his fingers on it	[15:31]
asciilifeform	!s you and the atomic bomb	[15:31]
assbot	16 results for 'you and the atomic bomb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=you+and+the+atomic+bomb	[15:31]
asciilifeform	as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#923509	[15:32]
assbot	Logged on 15-11-2014 07:02:37; asciilifeform: 'Had the atomic bomb turned out to be something as cheap and easily manufactured as a bicycle or an alarm clock, it might well have plunged us back into barbarism, but it might, on the other hand, have meant the end of national sovereignty and of the highly-centralised police state. If, as seems to be the case, it is a rare and costly object as difficult to produce as a battleship, it	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	fortunately, it is not MERELY the atomic bomb that is rare and costly and as difficult to produce as a battleship.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	~CARING~ about the otherwise irrelevant item is ALSO rare and costly and difficult to produce. moreso than a battleship.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	hence why the meanwhile-barbarianized new yorkers couldn't care less if the nuke plant blows.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	so what if it does ? more varied tail for the lot of them!	[15:50]
asciilifeform	phun phakt, seems like 'genkernel' won't allow you to disable flag SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYRING .	[16:01]
asciilifeform	y'know, the one in http://perception-point.io/2016/01/14/analysis-and-exploitation-of-a-linux-kernel-vulnerability-cve-2016-0728 .	[16:01]
assbot	Analysis and Exploitation of a Linux Kernel Vulnerability (CVE-2016-0728) \| Perception Point ... ( http://bit.ly/1WSlv1p )	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	but at any rate, notice how the "worldwide peace" movement seamlessly morphed into the "antiatomic movement" seamlessly morphed into the "ecology" movement.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	and recall tlp's wunderwaffenwords,	[16:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it was a kgb golem, and this is amply documented.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	motherfucker, there's some ad on his page that blocks the loading.	[16:03]
asciilifeform	l0l i thought you had his complete worx cached.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	https://archive.is/SzW0e#selection-181.0-100.74 will have to do	[16:04]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: You Are The 98% ... ( http://bit.ly/1WSlL0i )	[16:04]
phf	i think the "advanced user" workflow is to pick up genkernel config, menuconfig it, put the config back into genkernel, recompile	[16:05]
asciilifeform	phf: well yes, but the result is usually that the compile barfs	[16:05]
phf	in before asciilifeform finally goes all LFS	[16:05]
phf	ah	[16:06]
asciilifeform	lfs ?	[16:06]
phf	linux from scratch	[16:06]
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asciilifeform	ah	[16:11]
asciilifeform	that'd be merely gentoo without portage.	[16:11]
asciilifeform	wtf is the point.	[16:11]
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trinque	decent as a learning tool and not much else.	[16:11]
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asciilifeform	i'm beginning to understand why the enemy is not particularly scared of trb.	[16:12]
asciilifeform	we don't actually have a kernel that isn't fully, certifiably porous.	[16:13]
asciilifeform	the mice have been in the granary for... 20 yrs ?	[16:15]
asciilifeform	and there is scarcely any grain at all to be found there.	[16:15]
asciilifeform	only mouse shit.	[16:15]
asciilifeform	and we (or at least i) are still baking bread from it.	[16:16]
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asciilifeform	because there is not another granary.	[16:19]
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trinque	http://www.cvedetails.com/product/163/Openbsd-Openbsd.html?vendor_id=97 << >> http://www.cvedetails.com/product/47/Linux-Linux-Kernel.html?vendor_id=33	[16:39]
assbot	Openbsd Openbsd : CVE security vulnerabilities, versions and detailed reports ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLLuYK )	[16:39]
assbot	Linux Linux Kernel : CVE security vulnerabilities, versions and detailed reports ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLLuZ0 )	[16:39]
trinque	yes, I understand I just said "this food has less shit in it!"	[16:39]
trinque	worth mentioning too that one's referring to an entire usable operating system and the other to only a kernel	[16:40]
trinque	I personally would far sooner deal with a shitty package management system than a swiss cheese kernel	[16:43]
trinque	and obviously the hardware's all rotten too; I get that, but that's not an argument in favor of linux.	[16:43]
trinque	tbh bitching about the openbsd ports tree is a matter of having missed the point; pester the maintainer or become him if you want something changed.	[16:45]
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asciilifeform	trinque: 'want something changed' is not the right description for granary full of mouse shit.	[17:04]
trinque	actually most of the remote code execution exploits in recent OpenBSD were the fault of X	[17:15]
asciilifeform	kernel exploit is not usually a remote but more privesc thing, anyway	[17:16]
trinque	it seems to have done pretty well across the board	[17:16]
trinque	whether that's due to it being a less prevalent target, I do not know.	[17:16]
asciilifeform	i have a brick here that also did pretty well.	[17:17]
asciilifeform	no remote exploits for it !1111	[17:17]
trinque	heh, I'll have to try running my emacs env on your brick sometime	[17:18]
asciilifeform	anyone ever build a working trb on openbsd ?	[17:21]
trinque	!s from:phf openbsd	[17:21]
assbot	20 results for 'from:phf openbsd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aphf+openbsd	[17:21]
asciilifeform	i don't recall a ~rotor~ trb working there.	[17:23]
asciilifeform	phf, is there one ?	[17:23]
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trinque	it doesn't run linux binaries, which would preclude buildroot, wouldn't it?	[17:24]
trinque	in openbsd's case the operating system's version number refers to an entire base system	[17:25]
trinque	could just target one of those and results should be the same on same arch	[17:25]
asciilifeform	buildroot, theoretically, ought to work on bsd.	[17:26]
asciilifeform	(recall, we're not building a kernel with it, only the toolchain)	[17:26]
trinque	lemme see what it does and I'll paste; I've done it before and it barfed.	[17:27]
asciilifeform	understand why i went with buildroot.	[17:27]
asciilifeform	we need a thing that will 1) let us 'vendor' gcc and the WHOLE toolchain	[17:27]
asciilifeform	2) GUARANTEE that a build pulls in NOTHING from outside.	[17:27]
trinque	yep, sensible	[17:28]
asciilifeform	there may be other ways to achieve this, e.g., a bsd 'jail'	[17:29]
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phf	asciilifeform: there's no rotor	[18:39]
phf	i think i wanted to figure out how to package openssl/db/boost as buildroot native packages, rather then doing adhoc, which is a task in itself	[18:41]
phf	once i do can probably produce buildroot for mac os x too	[18:41]
phf	i'm though confused, i thought buildroot is explicitly a cross-compilation mechanism?	[18:43]
phf	"Buildroot is a tool that simplifies and automates the process of building a complete Linux system for an embedded system, using cross-compilation.	[18:44]
phf		[18:44]
phf	In order to achieve this, Buildroot is able to generate a cross-compilation toolchain, a root filesystem, a Linux kernel image and a bootloader for your target."	[18:44]
ben_vulpes	> verify with text message (most secure)	[18:49]
ben_vulpes	mhm sure	[18:49]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-02-2016#1416923 << this girl i'm rather fond of convinced me that it wasn't a half-bad way to spend thirty years while my brain rots building apps for various usg tentacles.	[18:52]
assbot	Logged on 27-02-2016 20:00:05; asciilifeform: in this particular case, why offspring	[18:52]
ben_vulpes	sure as hell beats drinking the horror at my own existence away	[18:52]
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ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415503 << mount her on a bicycle, pilfer a bottle from the office, mash around the city on bikes, break onto the in-decomissionment sellwood bridge and fuck on it? iono man what does one do with random girls anyways	[18:54]
assbot	Logged on 25-02-2016 18:22:46; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415189 << inquiring minds would like to know what you'd have done with her if you caught her !	[18:54]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418499 << we abuse it...	[19:12]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 21:41:44; phf: i'm though confused, i thought buildroot is explicitly a cross-compilation mechanism?	[19:12]
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phf	oh so it's not even crosscompile?	[19:24]
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asciilifeform	well we cross-compile.	[19:27]
asciilifeform	from derplinux to ideallinux.	[19:27]
phf	:)	[19:27]
asciilifeform	thinkaboutit.	[19:27]
asciilifeform	and, originally, i picked up buildroot to make pogotron.	[19:28]
thestringpuller	everytime I see pogo reference I think of butt plug	[19:34]
phf	http://www.toysrus.com/graphics/tru_prod_images/Fisher-Price-Grow-to-Pro-Pogo-Stick--pTRU1-2909797dt.jpg	[19:36]
assbot	200 OK ... ( http://bit.ly/1TMcE1C )	[19:36]
BingoBoingo	<< quite psychanalizable, ftr. notice the spurt of "make x great again" ever since 2015 or so. << It's a Trump slogan, that's why it went meme	[19:44]
asciilifeform	hay mas futuro!	[19:47]
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BingoBoingo	it doesn't run linux binaries, which would preclude buildroot, wouldn't it? << Last week Openbsd killed linux_compat on i386 which is the last platform they supported it on	[19:57]
phf	oh ffs	[19:59]
phf	i was hoping to get intellij idea running on that	[20:00]
BingoBoingo	http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20160227163716	[20:01]
assbot	Linux Emulation goes to the great bitbucket of the sky ... ( http://bit.ly/1RBvhU8 )	[20:01]
asciilifeform	phf: l0l! are you slaving in a java mine ?!	[20:01]
*	asciilifeform used 'idea' as a student, many years ago.	[20:02]
phf	nah, actually use it for day to day development	[20:02]
asciilifeform	how is that not slaving in a java mine ?	[20:03]
phf	err, i mean, python mostly	[20:03]
asciilifeform	or does idea do other langs now	[20:03]
asciilifeform	hm	[20:03]
phf	it does, and it has very elaborate python plugin (can be had separately as "pycharm")	[20:03]
jurov	they have a sibling of idea named pycharm	[20:03]
jurov	i use, too	[20:04]
phf	it does things for you, autoimports, large scale refactoring, working jump to/from functionality	[20:05]
phf	it's got some other niceties, like a db integration, where it introspects into the scheme and then does static analysis on your sql code, including sql code that's inline somewhere in python	[20:07]
phf	*schema	[20:07]
asciilifeform	this is spiffy, but closed source crud belongs in a specially-designated leprosorium (malware box, or at least, if you like living dangerously, a vm) rather than on naked civilian box !	[20:08]
phf	i don't know what constitutes naked civilian box	[20:10]
asciilifeform	depends.	[20:11]
asciilifeform	'don't shit in the kitchen' is valid, despite different folks having different kinds of kitchen	[20:11]
asciilifeform	i.e. places where definitionally one ought not shit.	[20:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4882 @ 0.00058647 = 2.8631 BTC [+]	[20:14]
jurov	that it's good thing to dream about :)	[20:15]
*	ben_vulpes shits in sink, eats from toilet bowl, never knew to do anything else before 2013	[20:15]
ben_vulpes	AM PASHTUN	[20:15]
jurov	As long as you use the proper hand for each.	[20:16]
ben_vulpes	american pashtun!	[20:18]
ben_vulpes	i have tp ffs jurov	[20:18]
ben_vulpes	sheesh this is like when i moved to new york and people were astonished to learn that there's electricity west of the rockies	[20:19]
deedbot-	[Ossasepia] Coordinate Eulometry (or Tomb of the Dead Mollusc) - http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/03/01/coordinate-eulometry-or-tomb-of-the-dead-mollusc/	[20:19]
phf	toilet paper is barbaric	[20:19]
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ben_vulpes	at mp's prompting i added a plastic handheld thing to the shower	[20:22]
thestringpuller	ben_vulpes: isn't that for old people?	[20:23]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Google At Fault In Motor Vehicle Collision - http://qntra.net/2016/02/google-at-fault-in-motor-vehicle-collision/	[20:23]
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phf	asciilifeform: i guess i can't seem to find a baseline that doesn't suck in all kinds of obvious and non-obvious ways. for all practical purposes i operate out of a semipublic terminal that i don't own. various attempts to establish non-superficial ownership were unsuccessful for reasons amply discussed here	[20:31]
phf	i found my way here to begin with because i was following your loperos project and your conclusions were then correct, only to be re-confirmed as part of b-a research	[20:33]
asciilifeform	phf: iirc several people did	[20:33]
asciilifeform	(adlai ?)	[20:33]
phf	probably all the common lispers	[20:34]
asciilifeform	not all, ben_vulpes was here before me.	[20:34]
phf	ah, i think that's from before i was paying close attention to logs	[20:35]
phf	but anyway, chuck moore probably has clean kitchen and terry davis :p	[20:35]
asciilifeform	iirc he was named benkay in those days.	[20:35]
phf	i think he renamed himself during my 6 months	[20:37]
phf	my current goal is to have better compartmentalization, like have a gaming machine (i.e. libretto running dos, i've been unwinding with ~~'95 games), a work machine (i.e. a thing that can run intellij and which is compromised for all the practical purposes) and a b-a machine whatever that evolves into, because i don't think the future of a computer as a progrock moog station is panning out	[20:43]
phf	^- http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/2015/list/50-greatest-prog-rock-albums-of-all-time-20150617/199927/medium_rect/1434559354/720x405-GettyImages-74702183.jpg	[20:45]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1oU2hxL )	[20:45]
BingoBoingo	not all, ben_vulpes was here before me. << iirc benkay you and myself were part of the 2013 #b-a cohort	[20:47]
phf	that must be right because that's when asciilifeform published the mpex review, so i must've been reading mp since then, but ben_vulpes renamed himself quite recently	[20:50]
phf	sometime summer last year	[20:50]
mats	http://i.imgur.com/gJj95hz.jpg	[21:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1XWn5jS )	[21:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00058663 = 21.8813 BTC [+] {2}	[21:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00058156 = 20.7908 BTC [-] {3}	[21:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.0005812 = 19.5864 BTC [-] {2}	[21:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00058874 = 12.9817 BTC [+] {4}	[21:34]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] Qntra (S.QNTR) February 2016 Report - http://qntra.net/2016/03/qntra-s-qntr-february-2016-report/	[21:45]
BingoBoingo	deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/24MYF1J.txt	[21:45]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1pmp7OE )	[21:45]
deedbot-	rejected: 1	[21:45]
BingoBoingo	deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0X484WG.txt	[21:46]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1pmpeJO )	[21:46]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[21:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00059143 = 20.8775 BTC [+]	[21:48]
jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418008 lol i measure my coffee consumption by "does the shit smell like coffee? if not, all ok"	[21:49]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 06:24:02; BingoBoingo: Wait, you don't drink it all by the pot?	[21:49]
jurov	but i started to mix it with cereal/chicory coffee to make it easy on stomach	[21:51]
BingoBoingo	Ah, a couple days after I open a can I'll start adding cold milk to it when I pour for the same reason	[21:53]
BingoBoingo	I don't really have chicory around this time of year	[21:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32342 @ 0.0005812 = 18.7972 BTC [-] {2}	[22:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28002 @ 0.0005812 = 16.2748 BTC [-] {2}	[22:07]
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deedbot-	[Trilema] What MP wants MP gets, the funarg problem and other Mecano considerations - http://trilema.com/2016/what-mp-wants-mp-gets-the-funarg-problem-and-other-mecano-considerations/	[22:17]
ben_vulpes	looks like i changed nicks 7/29/2014	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418468 << no, it's an argument in flavor of linux.	[22:18]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 19:42:04; trinque: and obviously the hardware's all rotten too; I get that, but that's not an argument in favor of linux.	[22:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40036 @ 0.00058011 = 23.2253 BTC [-] {3}	[22:19]
ben_vulpes	what flavor of linux though?	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	nono, in flavor of linux. like, in the style of bosch.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418478 << i vaguely recall BingoBoingo sort-of trying	[22:23]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 20:19:25; asciilifeform: anyone ever build a working trb on openbsd ?	[22:23]
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BingoBoingo	I have a partially trb-icized 7 series in the name of implementation pluralism. No earthly idea what all changes happened.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	on bsd ?	[22:26]
asciilifeform	phf had stator on bsd.	[22:26]
asciilifeform	but no one, to date - rotor.	[22:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00057892 = 11.0574 BTC [-] {3}	[22:26]
asciilifeform	now rotor is not ~quite~ as necessary on bsd, because drepper is absent there. BUT we still need deterministic nailed-down toolchain, esp. for when we finally do the deterministic binary thing.	[22:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00058768 = 23.0371 BTC [+] {2}	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	aha	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	besides, as per satoshi's argument ("no, don't bring it on"), might not be the smartest thing in the world to give drepper incentive to exist on bsd anyway	[22:28]
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asciilifeform	the idea is to categorically cut off the very possibility of drepper existing.	[22:29]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: On OpenBSD. It's the one I chopped together mostly while drunk and still works.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	aha	[22:29]
BingoBoingo	Dropped in low-s a month or two (mebbe 3) before trb, has -minrelaytx flag, from trb orphanage slaughters and malleus were definitely implemented. Other things but would take reading to recall them.	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[22:31]
ben_vulpes	hue, ether's hardforking already?	[22:32]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.50000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b7	[22:32]
BingoBoingo	oh? did they drop the old bottle with the precipitated peroxides already?	[22:33]
ben_vulpes	https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/blob/master/EIPS/eip-2.mediawiki and https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/blob/master/EIPS/eip-7.md, although the latter is only noted as a hardfork on a blog page	[22:33]
assbot	EIPs/eip-2.mediawiki at master · ethereum/EIPs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1TMDFSG )	[22:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TMDFSI )	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418548 << ben_dog!	[22:34]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 23:13:58; *: ben_vulpes shits in sink, eats from toilet bowl, never knew to do anything else before 2013	[22:34]
mod6	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-March/000217.html	[22:35]
assbot	[BTC-dev] The Bitcoin Foundation: STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS ... ( http://bit.ly/1ndQyZg )	[22:35]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Seriously, they heated their Ether up into a gas?! No wonder it is already hardforking everywhere.	[22:35]
ben_vulpes	tastes great with alf_dog	[22:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10817 @ 0.00057878 = 6.2607 BTC [-] {2}	[22:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35583 @ 0.00057749 = 20.5488 BTC [-] {3}	[22:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52850 @ 0.00058798 = 31.0747 BTC [+] {2}	[22:41]
ben_vulpes	why are all of the self-hosted rss readers written in php	[22:43]
ben_vulpes	i found one in rubby	[22:44]
*	assbot gives voice to fluffypony	[22:45]
fluffypony	ben_vulpes: because PHP is secure and easy to use	[22:45]
fluffypony	everything should just be written in PHP	[22:45]
fluffypony	Bitcoin should switch to the Timekoin codebase	[22:46]
*	ben_vulpes bites	[22:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00059143 = 15.6433 BTC [+]	[22:47]
ben_vulpes	heh	[22:49]
ben_vulpes	gold, fluffypony	[22:49]
fluffypony	btw did anyone else notice that RealSolid is back?	[22:49]
fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1381328.0	[22:49]
assbot	MicroCash. Now in Alpha 2 release. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TMG67K )	[22:49]
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ben_vulpes	> juices flowing	[22:52]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25502 @ 0.00058137 = 14.8261 BTC [-] {2}	[23:04]
mats	hot	[23:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28185 @ 0.00058138 = 16.3862 BTC [+]	[23:11]
phf	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366068	[23:26]
assbot	Logged on 11-01-2016 05:12:12; phf: ben_vulpes: i'll take at look in the next few days, but one quick comment, fwiw i built it on a 32-bit openbsd.	[23:26]
phf	and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366069	[23:26]
assbot	Logged on 11-01-2016 05:13:29; phf: the goal was to run it on a libretto and try to eat the first couple of blocks, but it wouldn't even connect to rpc for whatever reason, so i gave up on the whole distraction	[23:26]
phf	now that there was a suggestion of treating specific openbsd version as baseline, i think problem was that i built in on one openbsd and tried running on another	[23:27]
phf	node was running fine inside a virtualbox openbsd though, same one that i built it on.	[23:28]
asciilifeform	wai wut, openbsd has no stable abi at all ?!!!	[23:28]
phf	hehehe	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony> everything should just be written in PHP << word.	[23:29]
phf	asciilifeform: they take a "we'll make sure to break abi, rebuild from source every time" position	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	not even sure this is wrong.	[23:30]
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asciilifeform	this is only a good thing in the sense that spraying ddt in every room of your house is.	[23:32]
asciilifeform	yes, no mosquitoes.	[23:32]
asciilifeform	but this is simply yet another way for mosquitoes to win.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	in other news, til i learned that the criteria for "fridge big enough" is : if one discrete item won't fit, push. if it now fits, fridge is big enough. if it still won't fit, "wtf is with these tiny-ass euro style fridges already!!1"	[23:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15170 @ 0.00058571 = 8.8852 BTC [+] {2}	[23:34]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i was tempted throughout eulora lifetime to go "fu, no binaries, compile, always". and i can still contemplate why this would be the case with trb.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	heck, isn't the whole v system technically speaking just this ?	[23:36]
asciilifeform	sure is.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	so then.... still not sure this is wrong.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	ddt persuasiveness notwithstanding.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	it isn't ~wrong~, merely annoying.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	the brothel is also "just another way for housewife to win", at least according to her.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	gotta decide how much ddt you want to spray in your living room.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	this is in some ways a personal choice.	[23:37]
phf	i thought whole exercise is to produce byte to byte equivalent binaries, as another step in verification process. "sealed vpatches -> press -> binary -> shasum"	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	where this comparison breaks down is that your biology is fundamentally cunt-based and perl-run. you necessarily respirate the ddt. meanwhile, your mental life is supposed to be hermetic and under your control. you shouldn't fucking respirate the environment wtf.	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	phf yeah.	[23:38]
asciilifeform	(the ultimate thermonuclear version of this is to ~randomly generate~ a cpu arch, instantiate on an fpga ~and generate a compiler~, and compile for THAT! and i was very sad as a student to discover that one cristina cifuentes invented this long before i did)	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	and i appreciate your "is to produce" construction :)	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	for they not blessed with knowledge of actual languages, there's significant aspectual difference between "is to produce" which talks of the state, like to be, and "produces", which talks of movement.	[23:40]
asciilifeform	and wow, that name was buried in the nethermost depths of my skull before this convo.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform women in tech.	[23:40]
asciilifeform	i have nfi if it even was an actual woman.	[23:40]
asciilifeform	was just a name.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	yeah is woman, worked for oracle.	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	you mean her, no ?	[23:41]
asciilifeform	probably	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	reverse compilation techniques etc	[23:41]
asciilifeform	http://zyloid.com/recomposer/files/decompilation_thesis.pdf << aha	[23:41]
asciilifeform	^ thesis	[23:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/21y2t6Y )	[23:41]
asciilifeform	had an almost-useful x86 decompiler before 'hexray'.	[23:42]
asciilifeform	first, afaik.	[23:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18309 @ 0.00057733 = 10.5703 BTC [-] {2}	[23:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4441 @ 0.00057628 = 2.5593 BTC [-]	[23:51]
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asciilifeform	now i gotta ask, how does mircea_popescu know that it was 'actual woman'	[23:56]
asciilifeform	met in the flesh ?	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[23:57]
asciilifeform	https://cryptome.org/2016/02/usg-apple-edny-029.pdf << lulz! apple 'wins'	[23:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/21y4ShZ )	[23:58]
asciilifeform	mega-muppet-warz	[23:58]

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