Forum logs for 29 Feb 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

*	Now talking on #bitcoin-otc	[07:28]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-otc set by nanotube!~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube at Sun Feb 26 06:25:27 2012	[07:28]
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DBordello	Does anybody recommend a good place to get 3-pin fan to molex (12V) adapters?	[07:28]
errydayimgenerat	borealisx: http://i39.tinypic.com/2dak2lw.png	[07:28]
danieldaniel	radioshack	[07:28]
danieldaniel	DBordello: I actually may have one	[07:29]
danieldaniel	DBordello: just maybe, let me look	[07:29]
borealisx	haha	[07:29]
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borealisx	isee	[07:29]
Kiba	;;view	[07:29]
borealisx	unless it's not you and just a trap	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	install konqueror on gnome, 200Mb of packages, 70Mb to download. Mark for complete removal, 8Mb will be freed.	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	linux is becoming the new windows.	[07:30]
errydayimgenerat	that is me borealisx	[07:31]
Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: lol	[07:31]
mircea_popescu	it's a sad state of affairs.	[07:31]
nanotube	mircea_popescu: only because marking a package for removal doesn't mark its dependencies for removal	[07:31]
DBordello	danieldaniel, i need 4 of them :)	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	which is very logical, after all that's why i have a dedicated packagwe manager	[07:32]
danieldaniel	Guys	[07:32]
danieldaniel	theres this cool folder on win doze machines	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	so I have to personalluy keep track in my head what needs to go where.	[07:32]
danieldaniel	Its called SYSTEM32	[07:32]
danieldaniel	If you delete it, you get $100!	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	o wait, strike that. I have TWO! dedicated package managers.	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	fucking linux inquisition.	[07:32]
Staatsfeind	lol	[07:32]
danieldaniel	Wow	[07:32]
danieldaniel	#raspberrypi	[07:32]
Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: Next time, LFS.	[07:32]
nanotube	mircea_popescu: well... some of the dependencies are probably installed earlier or whatnot... so it wouldn't want to just remove all dependencies. guess nobody has coded up a "what came with what" tracker for apt yet.:)	[07:32]
danieldaniel	Is being spammed right now LAWLZOR	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	nano : 200mb of dependencies of which 70mb needed to be downloaded.	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	if they needed to be downloaded, they weren't installed earlier.	[07:33]
rg	i hate constipation	[07:33]
danieldaniel	Someguy123	[07:33]
danieldaniel	Where is he	[07:33]
danieldaniel	I need his bonnet now	[07:33]
danieldaniel	botnet*	[07:33]
rg	probably asleep seeing as its 5:33am	[07:33]
rg	in uk	[07:33]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: wtf	[07:33]
danieldaniel	Staatsfeind: lol, JKLAWLZ	[07:33]
nanotube	mircea_popescu: yes, but unless the package manager keeps track of what was downloaded when and with what, it can't figure out later	[07:34]
Staatsfeind	rg: Do you know where everyone lives?	[07:34]
Staatsfeind	Fuck.	[07:34]
rg	vragnaroda- binghamton, ny	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	thought that's exactly why i am paying him, nanotube.	[07:34]
rg	daniel- westport, ct	[07:34]
rg	rg- medway, ma	[07:34]
rg	grubles- lakeland, fl	[07:34]
nanotube	mircea_popescu: haha guess not :)	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	well then i should fucking fire him	[07:34]
copumpkin	hmm	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	except o wait, you can't really fire him.	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	WINDOZE!	[07:35]
nanotube	hehe well, it's kinda like a string. it's easy to pull on a string and bring stuff closer to you. but pushing on a string to push it away doesn't work. :P	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	i have computers to do that which is hard	[07:35]
Woofcat	;;ticker	[07:35]
gribble	Best bid: 4.85297, Best ask: 4.88, Bid-ask spread: 0.02703, Last trade: 4.85297, 24 hour volume: 57855, 24 hour low: 4.735, 24 hour high: 4.99	[07:35]
nanotube	(assuming said stuff is tied to the string on the other side :) )	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	i don't need help doing that which is easy.	[07:35]
rg	;;market buy 200	[07:36]
rg	;;market buy 2000	[07:36]
rg	woof	[07:36]
Woofcat	evenin.	[07:36]
Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: $ rm -rf /	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	im getting closer and closer to it.	[07:37]
Staatsfeind	:)	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	tho it'd be sudo rm -rf /	[07:37]
rg	sudo is useless	[07:37]
Staatsfeind	What? You don't just log in as root?	[07:37]
rg	if you cant trust someone with the root password, why trust them with root	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	no.	[07:37]
danieldaniel	OH SHIT	[07:37]
danieldaniel	They blocked my IP	[07:37]
danieldaniel	for refreshing too much :(	[07:37]
rg	daniel what the fuck are you yammering about	[07:37]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: Who did?	[07:37]
danieldaniel	raspberry pi	[07:37]
swarelis	;;gpg eregister swarelis	[07:38]
danieldaniel	Forbidden	[07:38]
danieldaniel	You don't have permission to access / on this server.	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	maybe they rm'd it ?	[07:38]
danieldaniel	or someone ub3rh4xd it	[07:38]
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danieldaniel	lol	[07:38]
borealisx	ohk errydayimgenerat	[07:38]
danieldaniel	I did a notice in #raspberrypi	[07:38]
swarelis	;;gpg eregister swarelis	[07:38]
borealisx	well, cool	[07:38]
swarelis	;;gpg eregister swarelis 8D2AD9468CB2BCF3	[07:39]
errydayimgenerat	yeah dog	[07:39]
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MBS	anyone want to buy a $2.50 amazon.com GC	[07:40]
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danieldaniel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSjK2Oqrgic	[07:41]
nanotube	i've got 1 ppusd for you with your name on it, MBS :D	[07:41]
danieldaniel	That is the state of #raspberrypi atm	[07:41]
danieldaniel	YAY!	[07:42]
danieldaniel	Due to a blizzard that is currently effecting my area, the miners may start and stop periodically throughout the night as internet connectivity issues and power failures are a possibility.	[07:42]
danieldaniel	I apologize for the inconvenience and your contract has been credited for 10 additional hours.	[07:42]
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swarelis	;;bc,blocks	[07:44]
errydayimgenerat	borealisx aren't i pretty? :3	[07:45]
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danieldaniel	wow	[07:47]
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danieldaniel	raspberrypi.org has gone down 4 times	[07:47]
danieldaniel	this night	[07:47]
errydayimgenerat	who cares	[07:48]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: OMG, you must tell us every time that happens!	[07:48]
errydayimgenerat	what even is that	[07:48]
Staatsfeind		[07:48]
danieldaniel	lol	[07:48]
Staatsfeind	.wik Raspberry Pi	[07:48]
markac	"The Raspberry Pi is a single-board computer developed in the UK by the Raspberry Pi Foundation." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi	[07:48]
Staatsfeind	errydayimgenerat: It's got a lot of nerds excited, not just dan².	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	he's a nerd ?	[07:49]
danieldaniel	mircea_popescu: you havent noticed?	[07:49]
danieldaniel	thanks!	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	don't mention it.	[07:49]
Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: No, I'm not calling dan² a nerd.	[07:49]
danieldaniel	10 minutes and 23 seconds till announce.	[07:49]
danieldaniel	:O	[07:49]
borealisx	errydayimgenerat: do you think you are?	[07:50]
danieldaniel	17 messages a second average in #raspberrypi LOL	[07:50]
errydayimgenerat	borealisx: yeah	[07:50]
borealisx	that thing looks cool markac	[07:50]
Staatsfeind	:o	[07:51]
Staatsfeind	borealisx: markac's a bot.	[07:51]
Staatsfeind	markac!	[07:51]
markac	Staatsfeind!	[07:51]
borealisx	oh..	[07:51]
borealisx	thanks	[07:51]
Staatsfeind	.o ud markac	[07:51]
markac	A slang term for anal masturbation	[07:51]
Staatsfeind	.g danieldaniel	[07:51]
markac	Staatsfeind: http://www.danieldaniel.us/	[07:51]
borealisx	markac!	[07:51]
markac	borealisx!	[07:51]
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danieldaniel	LOL	[07:51]
Staatsfeind	markac: "안녕하세요."?	[07:52]
markac	Staatsfeind: "Hello" (ko to en, translate.google.com)	[07:52]
*	copumpkin markacs furiously	[07:52]
Staatsfeind	.c 27 f in rankine	[07:52]
markac	486.67 rankine	[07:52]
Staatsfeind	copumpkin: lol	[07:52]
MBS	nanotube, how about 1.50 :p	[07:52]
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nanotube	MBS: ok	[07:52]
danieldaniel	testing bandwidth for IRC	[07:53]
danieldaniel	usage*	[07:53]
MBS	lol at this awesome mtgox address	[07:53]
MBS	1QFAiL3xYoUpKuCQX6GSGxJnka71G97RQi	[07:53]
plato	hey	[07:53]
Staatsfeind	lol	[07:54]
plato	anyone have a link for the map of the web of trust?	[07:54]
errydayimgenerat	borealisx: http://i51.tinypic.com/ix7ct4.jpg	[07:54]
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Staatsfeind	markac@jove:~$ bitcoind sendtoaddress 1QFAiL3xYoUpKuCQX6GSGxJnka71G97RQi 0.0125	[07:54]
Staatsfeind	a909ca6238661a35404e07ff05160ca5c0001365f89976e0c7f66978ca9ecb94	[07:54]
Staatsfeind	MBS: I found that amusing so there you go. :þ	[07:54]
danieldaniel	https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberri_Py/status/174733824889065472	[07:55]
danieldaniel	FFFFFFFF	[07:55]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: lol	[07:56]
danieldaniel	oh	[07:56]
danieldaniel	nvm	[07:56]
danieldaniel	its a fake one	[07:56]
tcatm	It's online :)	[07:57]
danieldaniel	OMGOGMOMGOGOGMGOGMGOMGOGM	[07:57]
swarelis	!gpg eregister	[07:58]
errydayimgenerat	dan² willt his device be able to peform fellatio on me?	[07:58]
danieldaniel	30MSGs A SECOND	[07:58]
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danieldaniel	LOOLOL	[07:59]
danieldaniel	55 msgs a second	[07:59]
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danieldaniel	Wow	[08:03]
danieldaniel	they DDOS'd both of the sites	[08:03]
danieldaniel	Lol	[08:03]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: Sorry; did you want me to stop that?	[08:03]
nanotube	swarelis: have you seen the ,,gpg doc?	[08:03]
gribble	Here are the instructions for authenticating with the bot using GPG: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication	[08:03]
Staatsfeind	;)	[08:03]
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Cory	danieldaniel is such a troll.	[08:10]
danieldaniel	Cory: THEY ARE ALL FALLING FOR IT	[08:11]
danieldaniel	LOL	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	http://home.comcast.net/~markjoel/Handwriting/Handwriting.htm << analyze your handrwiring	[08:11]
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errydayimgenerat	danieldaniel: don't you have school tomorrow morning?	[08:13]
danieldaniel	I'm gonna call them	[08:13]
danieldaniel	yeah	[08:13]
rg	gosh this is gross	[08:13]
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rg	it seems to be a recurring trend on this porn site	[08:14]
rg	dudes upload movies of them jerking off onto pictures of hot girls... why	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	umm	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	cause that's what happens a good 50% of the time ?	[08:15]
rg	why make a video	[08:16]
rg	and uplod it	[08:16]
rg	thats what im asking	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	i think they don't go quite as deliberately.	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	the jack off most of the time,	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	sometimes the cam is running	[08:16]
rg	umm what	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	they now have a video	[08:16]
rg	in english	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	since they have it, might as well upload it	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	presto.	[08:16]
Graet	and -otc is agreat place to discuss it, whats it got to do with bitcoins?	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	you selling some graet ?	[08:17]
Graet	not atm mircea_popescu , investing them back in atm ;)	[08:17]
swarelis	nanotube: I just registered successfully	[08:17]
copumpkin	the guidelines do ask for no NSFW discussions, ideally :)	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	hehe ok. soo, buying bitcoins!	[08:18]
Graet	lol	[08:18]
copumpkin	it's not outlawing off-topic discussions at all, for what it's worth	[08:18]
Graet	i agree copumpkin - but there is a line...	[08:19]
copumpkin	anyway, I'm going to sleep	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	there's a thin line between not getting in the way of commerce and not killing the chanel into silence.	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	you always are going to sleep! seems like it's what you do!	[08:19]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I don't think silence is inherently bad :P	[08:19]
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mircea_popescu	it's not, but kinda defeats the purpose of an irc chan	[08:19]
Graet	my wife walks up behind me and reads my irc - "i'm in the bitcoin trading chanel honey" -	[08:19]
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copumpkin	mircea_popescu: you mean for a topic-centric point of discussion?	[08:20]
Graet	anyway there are guidelines, lets follow them :)	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	i didn't get that.	[08:20]
Cory	Graet: Maybe you should stop hanging out in shady IRC channels.	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64961.0 << these people are redefining internet drama	[08:21]
Graet	is this a shady chanel Cory ?	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	but seriously Graet, you don't like, laugh with the missus at such topics ?	[08:22]
Graet	i thought it was a place for trading btc and often a new btc users first experience of trading btc,	[08:22]
Graet	um mno mircea_popescu - she doesnt find that stuff amusing	[08:22]
mircea_popescu	it was my new experience of trading btc. and frankly, without the nuttyness i'd have never joined in.	[08:22]
Graet	and really i dont either, there are plenty of other places those discussions can be hekld	[08:23]
*	mircea_popescu scratches his head	[08:23]
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*	copumpkin scratches mircea_popescu's head too	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	don't get them mixed up now copumpkin	[08:23]
Graet	oh well, i just thought bencouraging new people could help raise the price of btc, bu7t if the btc trading chanelk thinks putting new ppl off is a good idea...not much i can do	[08:24]
Graet	except nmaybe encourage someone to start one that can keep to SFW topics when not trading	[08:24]
Graet	really is it that hard?	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	now that might be a good solution	[08:25]
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mircea_popescu	have a bitcoin-otc	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	and a bitcoin-otc-sfw	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	i'm all for it, tho i'd never join the later.	[08:25]
copumpkin	or an -nsfw one	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	no.	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	people that need a special selection of reality go to the special room	[08:25]
Graet	or ##bitcoin-otc and the circle jerkers can go there ban d discuss what they like :)	[08:25]
copumpkin	well, the channel guidelines say no NSFW :)	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	not the other way around.	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	no.	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	next the muslims are gonna decide we must prefix everything with insallah.	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	fuck that.	[08:25]
Graet	copumpkin, ++	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	things are what they are. they who can not cope with that are welcome to make a coop.	[08:26]
a5m0	ugh danieldaniel is trolling up every channel he joins	[08:26]
danieldaniel	I actually got it	[08:26]
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danieldaniel	I'm ping mbs the link	[08:26]
danieldaniel	thats it	[08:26]
a5m0	no you didn't	[08:26]
a5m0	you keep going back and forth	[08:26]
danieldaniel	I pm'd it to him	[08:26]
MBS	http://raspberrypi.on.nimp.ogr	[08:27]
MBS	dont fix .org part	[08:27]
danieldaniel	what?	[08:27]
errydayimgenerat	MBS: oh man that's sick as hell	[08:28]
Staatsfeind	01:24 <+ Graet> \| oh well, i just thought bencouraging new people could help raise the price of btc ← If that's what you think the purpose of this channel is, you're just dead wrong.	[08:28]
danieldaniel	OMG	[08:28]
danieldaniel	IT LOADED	[08:28]
danieldaniel	I got to a shopping cart	[08:29]
danieldaniel	Yep	[08:29]
danieldaniel	it got out of stock	[08:29]
danieldaniel	before I could even click submit	[08:30]
Graet	obviously Staatsfeind its so ppl can circle jerk mand ops can ban ppl for thier own amusement, i think i will encourage an on topic -otc chanel to be started :)	[08:30]
danieldaniel	:(	[08:30]
errydayimgenerat	danieldaniel: what ddoes this have to ddo with trading bitcoins? take this to #bitcoin-offtopic	[08:30]
danieldaniel	ok, sorry	[08:31]
Cory	Graet: Well, #bitcoin-pit exists as a strictly trading channel.	[08:31]
Graet	indeed	[08:31]
Graet	sorry if i moffend people by suggesting (as others do) that the chanel guidelines (set in place by other people not me) are followed....	[08:32]
copumpkin	it seems quite reasonable to allow all sorts of off-topic chat in here, but to try to avoid talking about NSFW things and posting NSFW links that would get people in trouble in many places	[08:32]
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Graet	copumpkin, talks sense	[08:32]
copumpkin	I'm not saying we should enforce the whole thing with an iron fist	[08:32]
copumpkin	but it'd be nice if people just tried to limit the bullshit	[08:32]
Graet	^^	[08:33]
copumpkin	if ift	[08:33]
SomeoneWeird	imo anyone who posts nsfw should be kicked with a warning	[08:33]
copumpkin	if it's a fundamental aspect of your character to talk about your wanking habits, then you might have bigger problems	[08:33]
Graet	there are what 10000+ chanels on freenode, i'm sure there is one that appreciates that stuff :)	[08:33]
copumpkin	personally, I really don't give a fuck about swearing or NSFW stuff. I can open NSFW links at work and am hard to faze/disgust, but I know that many people don't like it, so I try to avoid posting shit like that in here	[08:34]
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copumpkin	anyway, I'll shut up now	[08:35]
MBS	oh thanks, whoever gave me 0.0125 BTC	[08:41]
copumpkin	#bitcoin-otc-nsfw	[08:42]
sagia12	;;getrating sagia12	[08:42]
gribble	User sagia12, created on Thu Feb 23 22:33:00 2012. Cumulative rating 6, from 4 total ratings. Received ratings: 4 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 3 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=sagia12 Currently authenticated from hostmask sagia12!sagia12@pool-98-114-168-41.phlapa.fios.verizon.net	[08:42]
rg	i think anyone who posts nsfw without labeling it should be kicked	[08:45]
rg	i think we're all adults here and everyone has seen some fucked up shit on the internet	[08:45]
rg	no one here is forcing you to view every URL posted	[08:46]
borealisx	what was it	[08:46]
coingenuity	rg: that's not the point ;)	[08:46]
rg	its my point	[08:46]
rg	this channel is far from G-rated	[08:46]
coingenuity	the idea is to not make -otc look disreputable to noobies by having malfeasant content in here :) just keep that in mind when you start down the offtopic path and you should be ok	[08:46]
rg	so swearing is ok	[08:47]
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rg	aslong as noone sees any naughty pictures	[08:47]
Staatsfeind	rg: /j #bitcoin-otc-nsfw	[08:47]
Graet	so what happens to the person that joins after the NSFW - but gets to see it without choice?	[08:47]
rg	dont tell me what to do	[08:47]
Graet	whats so fucking hard cabout keeing nsfw out of here?	[08:47]
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Staatsfeind	rg: There is no adults-only rule for this channel.	[08:48]
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Graet	what a joke	[08:48]
Graet	laters	[08:48]
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rg	agreed	[08:48]
Cory	:(	[08:48]
rg	but just cause a park has only children in it, that doesnt make it a kids park	[08:48]
errydayimgenerat	this channel should be 18+	[08:48]
rg	no	[08:48]
rg	17+	[08:48]
rg	cause of jjjrmy	[08:49]
Staatsfeind	This channel should not be 18+ or 17+ or anything stupid like that.	[08:49]
errydayimgenerat	18+ :)	[08:49]
errydayimgenerat	cause are minors allowed to get into buisness agreements n such?	[08:49]
SomeoneWeird	yes	[08:49]
Cory	Oh come on.	[08:49]
Staatsfeind	errydayimgenerat: Why wouldn't they be?	[08:49]
Cory	Nobody makes business agreements in here.	[08:49]
rg	this channel is so up its own ass with rules altely	[08:49]
SomeoneWeird	You guys gunna kick me out of this chane?	[08:49]
rg	lately	[08:50]
errydayimgenerat	i dunno	[08:50]
errydayimgenerat	rg +1	[08:50]
Staatsfeind	SomeoneWeird: I haven't seen any reason to. :þ	[08:50]
rg	please dont +1 me, you weaken my argument	[08:50]
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SomeoneWeird	Staatsfeind heh	[08:50]
errydayimgenerat	what argument	[08:50]
errydayimgenerat	i'm just saying things for the sake of saying thm	[08:50]
SomeoneWeird	errydayimgenerat, explain why this channel should be 18+	[08:50]
Staatsfeind	Now wtf.	[08:51]
errydayimgenerat	don't mind me	[08:51]
errydayimgenerat	it's 2am	[08:51]
errydayimgenerat	i'm sleep deprived	[08:51]
SomeoneWeird	err	[08:51]
MBS	any aussies?	[08:51]
MBS	http://au.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-chipset/chipset-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081347	[08:51]
SomeoneWeird	ok?	[08:51]
SomeoneWeird	yerp MBS	[08:51]
MBS	order one for me	[08:51]
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SomeoneWeird	lol no MBS	[08:51]
MBS	:(	[08:51]
MBS	ill pays yous the monies	[08:52]
SomeoneWeird	i dont even have enough $ to otrder one myself	[08:52]
nanotube	the point is to have this a useful, friendly, and welcoming place.	[08:52]
SomeoneWeird	order*	[08:52]
MBS	so comes on mans	[08:52]
coingenuity	rg: we need to have a friendly atmosphere for noobies...	[08:52]
nanotube	generally nsfw stuff tends to turn people off	[08:52]
MBS	n00bz	[08:52]
MBS	no	[08:52]
MBS	im rather turned on by nsfw stuff	[08:52]
MBS	usually	[08:52]
coingenuity	rg: i send people here from #bitcoin all the time, and it makes me look like an idiot if they walk into a conversation about jerking off or whatever...	[08:52]
nanotube	MBS: haha	[08:52]
coingenuity	so let's just try to keep it noobie friendly and all shall be fine :)	[08:53]
Cory	coingenuity: They're building trust. :P	[08:53]
Staatsfeind	nanotube: Well, now, by popular demand, there's a #bitcoin-otc-nsfw.	[08:53]
nanotube	Staatsfeind: hehe ok	[08:53]
coingenuity	good, Staatsfeind i'll forward any NSFW that a ways	[08:53]
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errydayimgenerat	everyone masturbatese though	[08:57]
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NASDAQEnema	Masturbatese - a language known only to 14 year olds	[08:58]
SomeoneWeird	NASDAQEnema ...	[08:58]
nanotube	lol	[08:58]
errydayimgenerat	fuckyes btc nsfw	[08:58]
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mircea_popescu	wait, we still on this topic ?	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	i had sex meanwhile ffs!	[09:00]
nanotube	no, we're done with this topic :)	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	a ok	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	me too.	[09:00]
nanotube	o/	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	this might sound crazy,	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	but did anyone else notice the head in o/ is really not symetrical ?	[09:01]
SomeoneWeird	lmao	[09:01]
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nanotube	looks symmetrical to me... maybe depends on your font ? :)	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	there's fonts now ?!	[09:02]
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errydayimgenerat	/topic	[09:03]
rg	its also 2am	[09:03]
rg	the only people awake now are regulars	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	it's 9am here.	[09:04]
rg	if some dude was getting bitcoin help or trying to trade, i wouldnt say anything	[09:04]
rg	besides calling him a scammer	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	what if he was like, polish	[09:04]
rg	then hes not allowed anyway	[09:05]
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mircea_popescu	just remember rg, without poles there's no strip clubs.	[09:06]
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splatster	"Put your hands to the constellations. The way you look should be a sin, you my sensation. I know I’m preaching to the congregation. We love Jesus but you done learned a lot from Satan. I mean a nigga did a lot of waiting. We ain't married but tonight I need some consummation."	[09:07]
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splatster	[12:10 AM] Activating Flood Protection	[09:10]
splatster	[12:10 AM] Deactivating Flood Protection	[09:10]
splatster	[12:10 AM] Activating Flood Protection	[09:10]
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splatster	[12:10 AM] Deactivating Flood Protection	[09:10]
splatster	FUUUUUUUUUUUU	[09:10]
splatster	Not again!	[09:11]
errydayimgenerat	#bitcoin-otc-nsfw mother fuckerssssssssssssssssss join it	[09:12]
errydayimgenerat	#bitcoin-otc-nsfw mother fuckerssssssssssssssssss join it	[09:12]
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a5m0	if you want to know how much people hate danieldaniel just go to #raspberrypi :p	[09:15]
danieldaniel	I GOT IT	[09:15]
a5m0	he's like a hate generating machine	[09:15]
a5m0	you should figure out how to capitalize on that rather than just making everyone mad	[09:15]
a5m0	danieldaniel, we know you didn't get it because no one ships to USA	[09:15]
danieldaniel	http://i.imgur.com/G8wVg.png	[09:16]
danieldaniel	a5m0: http://i.imgur.com/G8wVg.png	[09:16]
a5m0	congrats, what does that prove? you actually blanked out the delivery address	[09:17]
danieldaniel	well	[09:17]
danieldaniel	"daniel"	[09:17]
a5m0	did you read what i said?	[09:17]
danieldaniel	Yes	[09:18]
a5m0	" no one ships to USA"	[09:18]
a5m0	so posting a screen shot with the address blanked out... proves nothing except how annoying you're being	[09:18]
danieldaniel	a5m0: i entered in my address	[09:18]
danieldaniel	well	[09:18]
danieldaniel	who knows my addy?	[09:18]
danieldaniel	Ill give it to them	[09:18]
danieldaniel	and they can prove it	[09:18]
a5m0	TBA delivery charge, uh oh!	[09:19]
danieldaniel	oh wow	[09:19]
danieldaniel	shit	[09:19]
danieldaniel	LOL	[09:19]
danieldaniel	:D	[09:19]
danieldaniel	I	[09:19]
danieldaniel	I even got a nice fancy email	[09:19]
danieldaniel	When stock is allocated to your order, we will send you a full order confirmation including prices, availability and expected delivery date.	[09:19]
danieldaniel	FFFFF	[09:19]
errydayimgenerat	what is this raspoerry stuff?	[09:20]
a5m0	for people that do embedded hardware development it's a nice toy/tool	[09:21]
a5m0	for danieldaniel it's an attempt to scalp things and annoy people	[09:21]
danieldaniel	It ordered twice	[09:21]
danieldaniel	crap	[09:21]
a5m0	danieldaniel, someone made you a better screenshot http://dl.dropbox.com/u/66962/raspberry-pi-order_confirmation.png	[09:23]
danieldaniel	LMAO	[09:23]
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danieldaniel	bai gais	[09:26]
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MBS	danieldaniel, is getting 2 of them a problem?	[09:35]
MBS	so posting a screen shot with the address blanked out... proves nothing except how annoying you're being	[09:36]
MBS	see that VAT 0.00	[09:36]
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errydayimgenerat	vat?	[09:37]
coingenuity	;;wp vat	[09:37]
errydayimgenerat	also paid 42.31 for that	[09:37]
coingenuity	that was ineffective lol!	[09:38]
errydayimgenerat	rather than 25	[09:38]
coingenuity	vat == value added tax	[09:38]
coingenuity	aka sales tax	[09:38]
MBS	patriot pyro se 120gb for $140 after rebate	[09:38]
MBS	http://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Memory-PPSE120GS25SSDR-Direct-2-5-Inch/dp/B005W8NK0W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330501093&sr=8-1	[09:38]
errydayimgenerat	so that mans	[09:38]
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sagia12	Anyone interested in a CCTV Camera with 4 channel Power supply (good for 8 cameras) or a dell optiplex 760 (missing HD) for cheap BTC?!?!?	[09:40]
MBS	anyone want a 24" ultrasharp with free 12MP digital camera for $370	[09:41]
neofutur	sagia12: not interested in CCTV Camera but if you can ship a raspberrypi to peru query me :p	[09:41]
Raccoon	MBS: how much without the camera?	[09:41]
MBS	it comes with the camera from dell :p	[09:41]
MBS	camera goes for 130 on amazon though	[09:41]
neofutur	#fail_of_the_year the launch of the raspberrypi ;(	[09:41]
MBS	seeing some on ebay for $90+ actually selling	[09:42]
Raccoon	MBS: why so cheap	[09:42]
MBS	hmm	[09:42]
MBS	http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=U24MPIX&dgc=CJ&cid=24471&lid=566643&acd=10550055-361116-FWamrzm7	[09:42]
Raccoon	720 or 1080	[09:42]
sagia12	wtf is raspberrypi neofutur?	[09:42]
Raccoon	er 760	[09:42]
sagia12	like an actual raspberry pie?	[09:42]
Raccoon	no, 720	[09:42]
MBS	but damn, thats a good deal for an ultrasharp	[09:42]
MBS	esp if you sell camera	[09:43]
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Raccoon	oh wow	[09:43]
Raccoon	1200	[09:43]
Raccoon	it's a 16x10!	[09:43]
Raccoon	i love 16x10!	[09:43]
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MBS	oh wait	[09:43]
Raccoon	why so cheap?	[09:44]
MBS	price isnt actually that great	[09:44]
Raccoon	$370?	[09:44]
MBS	seems to be a different ultrasharp than one that comes up when you just google ultrasharp 24", lol	[09:44]
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MBS	http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260047&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Monitors+-+LCD+Flat+Panel-_-DELL-_-24260047	[09:44]
Raccoon	what's wrong with this one	[09:44]
MBS	nothing	[09:44]
MBS	but with the camera, awesome bargain	[09:44]
Raccoon	16:10 is better than 16:9	[09:44]
Raccoon	i mean, comparatively to the one you -thought- it was	[09:45]
Raccoon	why isn't this as good	[09:45]
MBS	idk	[09:45]
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MBS	http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?cs=19&c=us&l=en&sku=320-8277	[09:46]
MBS	looks like more expensive one has some color thing	[09:46]
MBS	maybe a different kind of IPS screen	[09:46]
Raccoon	looks like it's $330 instead of $370 w/o camera.	[09:46]
MBS	2ms better response time	[09:47]
MBS	oh yeah way more colors	[09:47]
MBS	though tbh, probably not enough of a difference unless you are doing graphic design	[09:47]
MBS	cheaper one is way better for gaming it looks like	[09:48]
Raccoon	http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-2676&~ck=bnpd&~bk=gr:ProductRec_default,g:AlsoUsed,rk:	[09:48]
Raccoon	there's the spec	[09:48]
Raccoon	what one is the cheaper one	[09:49]
MBS	the one with the link you just posted	[09:50]
Raccoon	heh. i don't like how people use fancy words that really just shouldn't apply	[09:50]
Raccoon	"Experience IPS technology, featuring a wide viewing angle with high-quality color representation for a peerless viewing experience."	[09:50]
MBS	cheaper one is more for general use, more expensive one is more if you do graphic design	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	anyone got that 41mpixel phone btw ?	[09:51]
Raccoon	a peerless viewing experience is a viewing experience like 'none other'... or it's a viewing experience that's 'all alone by itself'... with noone else to experience it with. i don't know if i want to enjoy this thing by myself :p	[09:52]
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MBS	Raccoon, well if you want to buy one for bitcoins, hit me up :p	[09:56]
Raccoon	you have one handy?	[09:56]
MBS	nah drop shipping :p	[09:58]
Raccoon	why wouldn't i just by one myself?	[09:59]
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Raccoon	even with btc via gox	[09:59]
MBS	well that would take some time to transfer :p	[10:02]
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Raccoon	tbh, i'm at a loss in trading so i'm holding until the next spike; at least.	[10:03]
Blitzboom	https://p.twimg.com/AmsvZVPCQAIus1V.png:large	[10:07]
Blitzboom	haha wow	[10:07]
Raccoon	lolwot	[10:08]
Raccoon	US Identity Documents	[10:08]
sagia12	Anyone interested in a CCTV Camera with 4 channel Power supply (good for 8 cameras) or a dell optiplex 760 (missing HD) for cheap BTC?!?!?	[10:08]
MBS	hmm not bad, 128GB ssd for $100 after rebate	[10:09]
Raccoon	and chinese throwing stars... just in case.	[10:09]
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sagia12	nobody wants a spare dell optiplex 760 for only 5 btc?	[10:10]
Raccoon	wonder how long before you can buy fake IDs on Amazon	[10:10]
NASDAQEnema	gentlemen hold onto your bitcoins - Anons will be calling for mass donations for Harveyville, KS storms - Operation Oz - if anyone knows of a miniature trading platform contact me please	[10:11]
MBS	oh wow newegg fail rate is horrible	[10:11]
NASDAQEnema	sagia12: in a couple days	[10:11]
MBS	tornadoes or something?	[10:11]
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NASDAQEnema	tornadoes it seems	[10:12]
MBS	earlier on #raspberrypi someone said they had to go inside because of tornados	[10:12]
NASDAQEnema	gonna try something radical	[10:12]
Raccoon	sagia12: just a desktop computer?	[10:12]
sagia12	ya no HD though	[10:12]
Raccoon	what year is it	[10:12]
sagia12	has a dvd rw	[10:13]
sagia12	let me check	[10:13]
MBS	what processor	[10:13]
MBS	and would 5 BTC include shipping	[10:13]
NASDAQEnema	if you know a cheezy bitcoin trading platform pls let me know	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	WBX ?	[10:13]
sagia12	2010	[10:13]
NASDAQEnema	um $25 i don't think 5 BTC includes shipping lol	[10:13]
NASDAQEnema	WBX?	[10:13]
sagia12	its a intel core duo	[10:13]
Raccoon	sagia12: why 5 BTC if I may	[10:14]
NASDAQEnema	I need a desktop	[10:14]
sagia12	sorry intel core2 duo	[10:14]
Raccoon	yeah, i wonder what shipping would be	[10:15]
sagia12	NASDAQEnema where would it be shipping to?	[10:15]
NASDAQEnema	Connecticut	[10:15]
sagia12	zipcode?	[10:15]
sagia12	and ill tell you	[10:15]
Raccoon	about 19-25 fedex judging from past experience	[10:15]
Raccoon	but throw in 87801 while you're at it	[10:16]
NASDAQEnema	06708	[10:16]
Raccoon	gf needs a new desktop	[10:16]
NASDAQEnema	I'm self-exposed Anon so idgaf	[10:16]
NASDAQEnema	i just like 2 help ppl	[10:17]
MBS	anyone want custom desktops made? :p	[10:17]
MBS	*i already know noone in this channel would ever pay for that	[10:17]
Raccoon	heh	[10:17]
NASDAQEnema	MBS care to donate one for a good cause?	[10:17]
NASDAQEnema	:)	[10:17]
MBS	lol	[10:17]
Raccoon	MBS: depends if you have access to surplus stashes of hardware	[10:17]
MBS	nope	[10:17]
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MBS	well at least not major parts :p	[10:18]
MBS	anyone want to be my referral for AMEX Zync?	[10:18]
Raccoon	some IT guys are just given green light fee rein to keep the closet clean at work	[10:18]
Raccoon	*free	[10:18]
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MBS	but i could throw in free win7 professional :p	[10:19]
Raccoon	MBS: i aint co-signing your credit card :p	[10:19]
MBS	woops	[10:19]
sagia12	NASDAQEnema it would be 7.6btc shipped prioirty mail total	[10:19]
MBS	kinda vague	[10:19]
NASDAQEnema	hmm	[10:19]
Raccoon	sagia12: hey, what about me... i inquired first :)	[10:19]
MBS	anyone want to get an amex zync and use my referral link :p	[10:19]
sagia12	raccoon.....you want it?	[10:20]
Raccoon	prefer btc or goxbux	[10:20]
sagia12	btc.....goxgux would cost you a little more	[10:20]
Raccoon	sagia12: ram and ghz again?	[10:21]
sagia12	hold on	[10:22]
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MBS	hmm 235 shipped for a 32" tv	[10:23]
MBS	but bleh its 720p	[10:23]
sagia12	raccoon 4gb ram dont know what speed but its an INTEL CORE 2 DUO	[10:23]
errydayimgenerat	=-o	[10:23]
sagia12	CD/R/RW/DVD/R/RW combo drive and 3.5" floppy drive lol	[10:24]
sagia12	let me see if i can look everything up on dell	[10:24]
sagia12	raccoon: interested?	[10:24]
Raccoon	sagia12: sure. same quote or different to my zip?	[10:24]
sagia12	whats your zip?	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	"Down at Chinamart, the price of copper plated .22 rounds in 500 round bulk boxes has gone from $14 to $27 in four years. "	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	that's inflation for you.	[10:25]
benjamindees	exported inflation	[10:26]
Raccoon	87801	[10:27]
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mircea_popescu	well, as long as it's delivered... who cares if it's imported or homebrew	[10:27]
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sagia12	yo	[10:27]
sagia12	raccoon: did you get my PM?	[10:28]
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Raccoon	you flooded out, so i didn't get a price	[10:29]
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sagia12	;;getrating raccoon	[10:34]
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Raccoon	MBS: may need a monitor after all. :)	[10:43]
MBS	:p	[10:44]
MBS	Raccoon, if you dont need the ultrasharp, saw a couple other good deals id be willing to dropship for BTC/mtgoxusd :p	[10:46]
Raccoon	24" 16:10 ?	[10:46]
Raccoon	or there abouts?	[10:46]
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Raccoon	(i'm a really big fan of 16:10, and they're so hard to find usually)	[10:47]
MBS	oh well ultrasharp is probaly only 24" 16:10 you will find these days	[10:47]
MBS	at least on sale lol	[10:47]
MBS	yeah i love 16:10 too	[10:47]
MBS	have a T240HD	[10:47]
MBS	its perfect size for games and for 2 full size pages for documents	[10:48]
Raccoon	not only is it more useful for playing 16:9 video (gives you room for toolbars, editing, playback buttons and menus), it's just almost a Perfect Rectangle.	[10:48]
MBS	perfect rectangle, lol	[10:48]
Raccoon	la Golden Ratio; Fibinachi Sequence.	[10:48]
MBS	oh, ok	[10:48]
Raccoon	serious	[10:48]
Raccoon	it's considered the most pleasant rectangle to look at	[10:48]
Raccoon	if only they came in 60"	[10:49]
MBS	but yeah ultrasharp looks to be best choice right now (at least camera bundle) for a 24" 1920x1200 IPS	[10:51]
MBS	i need to get an IPS eventually, but havent ever really used one so TN still looks fine to me, lol	[10:51]
Raccoon	drop the camera and it's $50 cheaper.	[10:51]
Raccoon	er $40	[10:51]
Raccoon	not exactly "free".	[10:52]
Raccoon	http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-2676	[10:52]
MBS	well yeah, just saying if you have need for camera or want to sell on ebay	[10:52]
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Raccoon	i bought a near cousin of that camera on black friday for $50.	[10:56]
Raccoon	tbh, unloading it would be more work than it's worth	[10:56]
clone1018	So, I'm a vps host that has recently started to accept bitcoins, if you don't mind me asking, where's a good place to let you guys know about me?	[10:58]
MBS	well if you want to order it, hit me up :p	[11:00]
Raccoon	clone1018: start an IRC channel on EFnet about hosting shell accounts and stuff, and advertise the acceptance of Bitcoin in the channel /topic	[11:03]
clone1018	Raccoon: haha, what?	[11:03]
clone1018	Why EFNet?	[11:03]
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Raccoon	well, EFnet and Undernet	[11:03]
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Raccoon	bot cities	[11:03]
clone1018	Ah	[11:04]
Raccoon	people wanting to remain anonymous	[11:04]
Raccoon	probably use your services for up-to-no-good	[11:04]
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clone1018	As cool as customers are, I'd rather have awesome ones :P	[11:05]
Raccoon	set up some geeky clever vanity hosts	[11:05]
Raccoon	like i.paid.for.this.shell.with.bitcoi.ns.clone.xxx	[11:06]
clone1018	hah	[11:06]
Raccoon	still under the 63 character limit :)	[11:07]
Raccoon	oh, make that .ns1.	[11:07]
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Raccoon	but yeah, you're more likely to find people looking to purchase small potatoes with bitcoins, than say featured services	[11:12]
Raccoon	so that means anonymous proxies, shells for various ZNC/screen/eggdrop type processes	[11:13]
Raccoon	or running irssi	[11:13]
Raccoon	otherwise they might as well pay card for webhosting if pseudo-anonimity isn't a factor	[11:14]
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benjamindees	clone1018, trade page on the wiki	[11:19]
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clone1018	benjamindees: already added	[11:21]
benjamindees	and market section of the forums perhaps	[11:21]
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benjamindees	what is your site btw?	[11:22]
clone1018	http://vpsno.de/	[11:22]
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sagia12	brb showertime	[11:28]
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MBS	nice, 1250W OCZ PSU for 170 after $30 MIR	[11:34]
clone1018	benjamindees: how does it look?	[11:34]
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MBS	hmm apparently pretty iffy though	[11:36]
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benjamindees	clone1018, looks good... you should add a Bitcoin logo though :)	[11:41]
clone1018	I should, and currency showing options	[11:42]
Raccoon	MBS: what's the total weight of the thing?	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	hey, there's how many vps for btc services now, 5 ? 6 ?	[11:48]
MBS	http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341046&Tpk=17-341-046&nm_mc=EMC-GD022812&cm_mmc=EMC-GD022812-_-index-_-Item-_-17-341-046	[11:48]
clone1018	mircea_popescu: wiki/Trade says oodles	[11:48]
MBS	amazon says 9.8lbs	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	yrah	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	its a great thing, really.	[11:48]
clone1018	I think I'm the cheapest atm, not sure if that's a good thing though :P	[11:49]
mircea_popescu	What's a VPS?	[11:49]
mircea_popescu	A VPS is essentially a computer inside of a computer, computerception if you will. We take a hugely powerful	[11:49]
mircea_popescu	i like your copy on that site.	[11:49]
Raccoon	MBS: see how it compares to others of the same rating. heaver tends to be better. (MOAR COPPER)	[11:49]
MBS	well i dont need it anyway :p	[11:50]
benjamindees	(or aluminum instead of copper)	[11:50]
MBS	yeah most complains are about psu making noise or causing video card fans to make noise	[11:50]
MBS	or DOA	[11:50]
clone1018	mircea_popescu: :p	[11:50]
MBS	i resell http://kimsufi.ie servers for bitcoins if anyone wants one :p	[11:50]
MBS	barely more expensive than officially paying with VAT if any of you are european	[11:51]
clone1018	hah, I can provide vpses more powerful then the 24G	[11:51]
MBS	hmm shell shocker for 650W OCZ + DVD burner for $50 after $25 MIR	[11:52]
MBS	what do you use for your nodes?	[11:52]
clone1018	Depends, on our average vps node its dual quad intel e5620's, ram cap at 64GB, but we have some quad E7500's for /other/ purposes	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	http://americankabuki.blogspot.com/2012/02/81-resignations-from-world-banks-22712.html i wonder if there's anything to this	[11:54]
clone1018	that's quad proc btw, not core :P	[11:54]
Coolty	.	[11:54]
Coolty	who wants a vps?	[11:54]
MBS	yeah saw it on your site	[11:54]
Coolty	i'm selling: www.vertvps.com	[11:54]
clone1018	Coolty: no one?	[11:55]
Coolty	(not the domain), the services	[11:55]
Coolty	clone1018: are you sure about that?	[11:55]
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clone1018	yes, why is your logo a media player..?	[11:55]
MBS	the 2G makes a pretty good seedbox :p	[11:55]
Coolty	clone1018: don't ask silly questions	[11:55]
MBS	;;seen copumpkin	[11:58]
gribble	copumpkin was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 3 hours, 15 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: #bitcoin-otc-nsfw	[11:58]
benjamindees	mircea_popescu, could be related to iran sanctions?	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	or it could be just happenstance.	[11:59]
benjamindees	it does seem like kind of a lot	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	for instance recently i (and others) have pushed for a top level shakeup of the top romanian bank because they lost ~5mn cards of customers and tried to cover it up	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	now this would be a one off event really, just bad corp governance and an incompetent subcontractor	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	i think most of those on the list (that i recognize at least) are similar, and thus local really.	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	but who the fuck knows anymore.	[12:01]
Coolty	3	[12:01]
MBS	anyone know if copumpkin was still looking for someone to sell him airline tickets? :p	[12:02]
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benjamindees	LIBOR lawsuits coming down the pike perhaps too...	[12:05]
sagia12	time to go get breakfast	[12:10]
sagia12	brb all	[12:10]
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mircea_popescu	benjamindees or possibly a major breach into the networks	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	something to make the x trn confiscated bonds a drop in the ocean, persay.	[12:16]
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benjamindees	though I'm not sure whether most of those banks were exposed to the US real estate market, MERS going down could add up to x trillion of losses in MBS...	[12:22]
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MBS	nooooooooooooo	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	lol poor mbs	[12:28]
*	benjamindees sells short MBS	[12:28]
mircea_popescu	your ass is toast nao man.	[12:28]
MBS	im doing fine thank you	[12:29]
MBS	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainichi_Broadcasting_System	[12:29]
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benjamindees	it's kind of interesting to see that MERS was basically a bucket-shop setup by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the banks to trade mortgages	[12:52]
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mircea_popescu	i think that was pretty much a pollichinele's secret.	[13:11]
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sagia12	;;seen nasdaqenema	[13:24]
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jaypetermm	anyone looking for paypal or moneypak...........................i am looking for BTC or LR	[13:47]
jaypetermm	1 BTC = 5.23 $	[13:47]
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Coolio-	how many do you need jaypetermm?	[13:58]
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ConsoleCowboy	need help with regex, will pay/tip 1BTC to helper, PM me.	[14:03]
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mircea_popescu	whats up consolecowboy ?	[14:14]
bruzum	i'll do it for 0.5	[14:16]
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mcorlett	mircea_popescu: ConsoleCowboy (~cc@122-148-242-18.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) quit: Client Quit	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	i was just gonna help a newbie out lol	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	no biggie.	[14:32]
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lordcyfer	Hi everybody	[14:35]
errydayimgenerat		[14:36]
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lordcyfer	I sell VPN account on my service b-anonym.net 0.5 BTC for 2 weeks and 3 BTC for 4 months pm me if interested	[14:36]
errydayimgenerat		[14:36]
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errydayimgenerat		[14:36]
errydayimgenerat	woops	[14:36]
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bruzum	DDD	[14:58]
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jaypetermm	anyone looking for paypal or moneypak........................................i am looking for BTC or LR	[15:06]
jaypetermm	1 BTC = 5.20 offering	[15:06]
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mcorlett	;;getrating jaypetermm	[15:10]
mcorlett	I'll do it if you pay in PPEUR.	[15:10]
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mcorlett	I just discovered this address: 1234567VagPckZCGgu5LkxvZnybGKvciRo	[15:29]
pingdrive	;;ticker	[15:30]
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Cory	mcorlett: I bet you're really impressed by my address, then: 1BitCoinn9RAjz9ifuwokqQVZDDXchi1nk :P	[15:31]
mcorlett	Cory: It's not the first 1Bitcoin address.	[15:32]
mcorlett	1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE	[15:32]
Cory	I know.	[15:32]
mcorlett	The "black hole".	[15:32]
Cory	Lol, but I can actually use the coins sent to my address. :P	[15:32]
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JoeMacc	!seen dareq	[15:35]
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JoeMacc	;;fraud	[15:37]
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jaypetermm	;;fraud	[15:40]
mcorlett	jaypetermm: Did you get my offer?	[15:42]
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mircea_popescu	o is otc starting to wake up ?	[15:42]
Unclemantis	hardly	[15:42]
jaypetermm	mcorlett no	[15:43]
mcorlett	jaypetermm: I'll do it if you pay in PPEUR.	[15:43]
jaypetermm	ok	[15:43]
*	Unclemantis is still waiting for mtgox to spike	[15:44]
Unclemantis	or drop	[15:44]
Unclemantis	what ever comes first	[15:44]
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Kiba	;;ticker	[15:45]
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Unclemantis	haha	[15:45]
Unclemantis	i have orders in for a buy and a sell	[15:46]
Unclemantis	so i am trying to catch it on both ends	[15:46]
Unclemantis	sure, my margin is a little out there but i don't think it is entirely impossible	[15:46]
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mircea_popescu	gl with that.	[15:49]
jaypetermm	gpg eauth jaypetermm	[15:49]
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Raccoon	Happy Leap Year Day! And you know what that means?... An extra day of Black History Month, so make the most of it!	[15:56]
errydayimgenerat	ergh	[15:58]
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jaypetermm	facing problem with auth my nickname ?	[16:05]
Seventoes	dunno, are you?	[16:05]
jaypetermm	yes	[16:06]
Unclemantis	try ;;gpg	[16:06]
Unclemantis	you need to say ;; for the bot ignores you	[16:06]
jaypetermm	actually i lost my signature on my machine	[16:07]
jaypetermm	so when i decript	[16:07]
Seventoes	if you don't have your private key you can't auth anymore	[16:07]
jaypetermm	i dont get any decripted text	[16:07]
Unclemantis	you lost your own keys to the house	[16:07]
Seventoes	"i lost my signature on my machine"	[16:08]
Seventoes	that means you lost your original keys, right?	[16:08]
jaypetermm	yes by mistake pressed delete	[16:08]
Seventoes	you can't log in to that account anymore then	[16:08]
Unclemantis	it happens	[16:08]
Seventoes	you can't just make a new set of keys, they're all different	[16:08]
Seventoes	you'll have to register a new account	[16:08]
jaypetermm	ok	[16:08]
Unclemantis	i was lucky i emailed it to myself last year :)	[16:08]
jaypetermm	ahhhhhh	[16:08]
Seventoes	always always always encrypt and back up your keys	[16:09]
Cory	But what if you lose the key you used to encrypt it!	[16:10]
Seventoes	don't use a key, use a passphrase :P	[16:10]
Cory	Oh, so use a crappy encryption method. :P	[16:10]
*	Unclemantis is still working on memorizing his 12 word passphrase	[16:10]
Seventoes	err right, you aren't going to use a set of keys you have to save to back up your keys that you're trying to save	[16:11]
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reeses	symmetric crypto is not ‘crappy’	[16:11]
Unclemantis	1 week later and 6 words down. 6 to go!	[16:11]
Cory	reeses: Lol I know. :P	[16:11]
smickles	;;ping	[16:12]
gribble	pong	[16:12]
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mircea_popescu	i knew a guy who had his keys exported and encrypted	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	with the same key.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	was very funny moment.	[16:16]
jaypetermm1	after eregister what is the next command rest i know	[16:17]
Unclemantis	jaypetermm1 please tell me you are NOT going to be using that nickname	[16:19]
Unclemantis	pick something cooler	[16:19]
Unclemantis	no one is going to take your serious if you have a 1 at the end. It makes you look like you are NOT the origional	[16:19]
jaypetermm1	ok but how my previous clients come know its me	[16:19]
Unclemantis	then reintroduce yourself to them	[16:20]
Unclemantis	they are not going to belive it is you, even with a number 1 at the end either	[16:20]
jaypetermm1	ok suggest me any cool name than	[16:20]
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jaypetermm2	i lost access to my nick folks	[16:20]
jaypetermm2	this is jaypetermm	[16:21]
jaypetermm2	don't listen to anything jaypetermm1 says, he is an imposter!	[16:21]
Seventoes	lol	[16:21]
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unclemantis	i am sure there is a COOL NAME generator out there somewhere	[16:21]
jaypetermm1	jaypetermm2 it was you unclemantis	[16:22]
jaypetermm1	???????	[16:22]
Seventoes	lmao	[16:22]
unclemantis	jaypetermm1 first buy a clue	[16:22]
unclemantis	second, buy a good name	[16:22]
unclemantis	i will sell you a cool name for 1 btc	[16:22]
Seventoes	i'll make you a good name for 1 BTC	[16:22]
Seventoes	fuck you beat me	[16:22]
unclemantis	LOL	[16:22]
Seventoes	D:	[16:22]
unclemantis	rockinrayrobin	[16:23]
unclemantis	there ya go	[16:23]
reeses	http://www.getnicknames.com/	[16:23]
unclemantis	pay up bitch	[16:23]
Seventoes	TheTrustworthyOne	[16:23]
Seventoes	bam	[16:23]
Seventoes	1 BTC please	[16:23]
unclemantis	hold on	[16:24]
unclemantis	i think jaypetermm1 should pay my Asshole Tax for loosing his keys	[16:24]
unclemantis	1TAXcFwKaK3pdYHJa82CfsEDvr2tsrSkK	[16:24]
unclemantis	pay up bitch	[16:24]
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reeses	Seventoes: that ends in one so they may think he is not the original	[16:24]
helo	nobody noticed that eric schmidtt endorsed bitcoin :/	[16:24]
Seventoes	good point :(	[16:24]
unclemantis	oh boy oh boy!	[16:25]
unclemantis	does that mean the price of BTC is going to go UP OR DOWN?	[16:25]
Seventoes	yes it does!	[16:25]
unclemantis	which way man?	[16:26]
Seventoes	one of em	[16:26]
unclemantis	do i buy at market now or what?	[16:26]
Seventoes	or neither	[16:26]
unclemantis	grrr	[16:26]
NASDAQEnema	helo he didn't	[16:26]
NASDAQEnema	he says it's illega;	[16:26]
NASDAQEnema	google is a trojan horse	[16:26]
NASDAQEnema	but	[16:26]
NASDAQEnema	it's cute that they tried it	[16:27]
kinlo	helo: he did? do you have an url?	[16:27]
unclemantis	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/q9x5q/googles_eric_schmidt_just_mentioned_bitcoin/	[16:27]
unclemantis	google could mine up all the bitcoin in a matter of days	[16:28]
unclemantis	all they need to do is put a bitminer in ALL of their footer pages :P	[16:28]
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helo	NASDAQEnema: he said currencies like bitcoin are "great idea"	[16:30]
helo	a	[16:31]
NASDAQEnema	double signal	[16:31]
NASDAQEnema	he also said they are illegal which can have a chilling effectt	[16:31]
NASDAQEnema	especially since it's not true	[16:31]
helo	crypto software is illegal in many countries, isn't it?	[16:32]
unclemantis	Google's tap and go payment model would be threatened by Bitcoin	[16:32]
helo	at least without divulgement of secrets to the government	[16:32]
Kiba	unclemantis: assuming Google is shortsighted, yes	[16:32]
unclemantis	assuming?	[16:32]
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helo	google could be the infrastructure that is built upon bitcoin that makes it viable for consumers and retail businesses	[16:33]
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unclemantis	and if so then the price of bitcoin is going to skyrocket	[16:33]
helo	i.e. fraud protection, instant confirmation, etc	[16:33]
Kiba	bitcoin's strength is all about a coalition	[16:33]
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Kiba	google would be an ally that eclipse all others	[16:34]
unclemantis	no one person can OWN bitcoin technology though	[16:34]
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Kiba	we're PUNY	[16:34]
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helo	google could buy all bitcoin in existence nearly a thousand times :)	[16:35]
frauf	i own it actually	[16:35]
frauf	sry guys	[16:35]
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kinlo	helo: they can't, you really think people will just sell at 5$ if they know someone is going to buy everything?	[16:35]
Kiba	helo: they won't buy my coin	[16:35]
kinlo	price will go up really quickly	[16:36]
unclemantis	i still have my sell and buy orders in place	[16:36]
helo	wank wank	[16:36]
Kiba	NOBODY will buy my coin!	[16:36]
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Kiba	well, I might need to sell my coins in the future	[16:37]
Kiba	to pay for rent and such	[16:37]
*	Kiba is running out of money	[16:37]
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Kiba	anyway	[16:39]
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Kiba	in my opinion...as the bitcoin economy grows, the more likely that we will see larger corporations joining in	[16:39]
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unclemantis	i am looking forward to buying a starbucks coffee for 0.0005 bitcoin	[16:40]
Kiba	it's all about CRITICAL MASS	[16:40]
Kiba	there might be some companies	[16:40]
Kiba	we might have to fight	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	me too clematis.	[16:40]
Kiba	like	[16:40]
Kiba	Western Union	[16:40]
copumpkin	it'd also help if corporations weren't afraid of the dubious legal status of bitcoin	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	how many coins you got kiba ?	[16:41]
copumpkin	they don't want anything to do with anything that has a remote chance of being illegal	[16:41]
Kiba	NOT TELLING, mircea_popescu	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	then how are you gonna sell ?	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin, you actually sleep ?~!	[16:41]
Kiba	just because I don't tell you, doesn't mean I don't have coins	[16:41]
copumpkin	so I doubt many people would start major business with bitcoin until they're sure it's not gonna get them in trouble	[16:41]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I do!	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	i thought you were selling kiba.	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	that's some pretty shitty amphetamine right there, fren	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	i haven't slept since... hm	[16:42]
Kiba	coins will be the last to grow	[16:42]
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mircea_popescu	i think it was autumn	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	maybe 2007 ?	[16:42]
*	copumpkin takes a shower	[16:42]
Kiba	err	[16:42]
Kiba	to be sold*	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	ok, how much for your anal virginity ?	[16:42]
unclemantis	once all the coins are mined, only then will the price skyrocket. Right now this nickel and diming shit to buy bitcoin is just greed	[16:42]
unclemantis	but i still have my sell and buy orders in :P	[16:42]
Kiba	why would the price skyrocket?	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	that's what people always hope for.	[16:43]
unclemantis	because then they are more valuable	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	unclematis, efficient markets. the current price reflects the complete value.	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	skyroketness * odds of it happening.	[16:43]
helo	until companies begin paying their employees on a regular basis using bitcoin, growth is ephemeral imo	[16:44]
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mircea_popescu	helo, no company pays its employes on a regular basis in houses	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	still, house prices appreciate	[16:45]
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Kiba	and people started to buy houses as investment	[16:45]
helo	bitcoin appreciating isn't the goal	[16:45]
*	mircea_popescu wonders who owns the ip 69.69.69.69. If i had that i wouldn't even buy a domain for it.	[16:45]
Kiba	they takes on huge loans	[16:45]
Kiba	that they can't pay	[16:46]
Kiba	and end up causing a financial crisis	[16:46]
Kiba	I wish people would just focus on the hard work of building the bitcoin economy instead of trying to make a quick buck off bitcoin	[16:46]
helo	the goal is for bitcoin to have some degree of utility for average people	[16:46]
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Kiba	like all those damn miners..	[16:47]
Blitzboom	"the bitcoin economy"	[16:47]
Blitzboom	what is this bitcoin economy i keep hearing about	[16:47]
Blitzboom	do you people even know what an economy actually is?	[16:47]
helo	which requires that a large and well-distributed population receive and spend it	[16:47]
unclemantis	i am going to start investing half in bitcoin and half in precious metals	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	whose goal helo ?	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	i don't see who cares about "average"ness of people. i don't.	[16:48]
helo	mircea_popescu: your whore sister's goal	[16:48]
Kiba	anybody who is actually interested in using bitcoin as money	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	if it has some utility in general i don't care who.	[16:48]
Kiba	not as merely an investment	[16:48]
unclemantis	BURN	[16:48]
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Blitzboom	u mad Kiba	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	i think he's the only one that's not mad lol	[16:49]
unclemantis	does Casascius ever pop his head in here?	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	i never saw him.	[16:50]
Blitzboom	rarely	[16:50]
Kiba	me mad?	[16:50]
unclemantis	he is a very smart person	[16:50]
Kiba	it's irrational to be mad	[16:50]
helo	mircea_popescu: average people having a use for it means sustainable value based on concrete utility. speculatory value is not sustainable if the speculation doesn't prove to be true over too long of a timespan	[16:50]
[eval]	i think P2SH is going to enable bitcoin killer apps :>	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	maybe you should define how you average people.	[16:50]
Kiba	can't do anything about those miners who only think about mining bitcoin	[16:50]
pigeons	wank	[16:51]
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*	[eval] wanks	[16:51]
da2ce7	lawl	[16:51]
[eval]	just following orders	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	well don't stop nao...	[16:51]
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helo	the problem now is that the people who believe in bitcoin are the only ones receiving it (mining, sales, etc), and because they believe in it they don't want to actually spend it to buy anything	[16:52]
Mafiosi	this is jaypetermm	[16:52]
NASDAQEnema	speculation is a tool - it has no substance in and of itself - biz and individuals need btcs more than gamblers do	[16:52]
*	mircea_popescu remembers that gold doesn't seem to have... ym... concrete utility. nevertheless it worked fine for an entire history.	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	i think you're talking, helo, out of your own imagination.	[16:52]
NASDAQEnema	gold has concrete uility	[16:52]
helo	there have to be a lot of people who have it and want to spend it for businesses to be interested in receiving it	[16:52]
*	Kiba pay for hosting and domain name in bitcoin, helo	[16:52]
Blitzboom	the 10k BTC pizzas have proven how foolish it is to spend your bitcoins	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	I have plenty and I spend plenty.	[16:52]
helo	ok, so there's two people, almost there!	[16:53]
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Kiba	if it weren't for the 10K BTC pizza, the bitcoin economy wouldn't exists	[16:53]
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mircea_popescu	in fact this month i paid>70 btc for advertising alone.	[16:53]
Blitzboom	Kiba: THERE IS NO BITCOIN ECONOMY	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	that makes up more than 99% of all my advertising expenses this month.	[16:53]
Blitzboom	USD => BTC => USD is 0 economy	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	and I also paid wages in bitcoin.	[16:53]
Blitzboom	there is no bitcion land	[16:53]
Blitzboom	there is no export of goods	[16:53]
Kiba	blah blah blah	[16:54]
Kiba	export and import is imaginary	[16:54]
Blitzboom	there is noone who accepts bitcoins because they are bitcoins	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	...	[16:54]
NASDAQEnema	Blitzboom: at 42 Million cap you have to be kidding - it's too early o judge	[16:54]
Blitzboom	and not because they are worth xy dollars	[16:54]
Kiba	just like when we draw imaginary political lines	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	dudes srlsly. you need to stop believing things are true cause you imagine them.	[16:54]
NASDAQEnema	Blitzboom: I do	[16:54]
pigeons	it's greater than 0 Blitzboom, some people do provide services for btc and trade those btc for the things they need and so forth	[16:54]
unclemantis	when i try to explain bitcoin they always stick out their fucking hand!	[16:54]
NASDAQEnema	I bought diapers in btc	[16:54]
unclemantis	they want to TOUCH IT	[16:54]
Kiba	you know	[16:54]
btchero2	the only reason i accept usd is the ability to trade it for other things	[16:54]
Kiba	this conversation is...	[16:54]
unclemantis	and go to the store and buy a pack of smokes	[16:54]
Kiba	wasteful	[16:54]
Kiba	and poor use of my time	[16:55]
pigeons	wank	[16:55]
Kiba	I should do something	[16:55]
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frauf	guys all you need to know is that the only practical use for it is the black market	[16:55]
frauf	youre all associates of criminals sry	[16:55]
Kiba	like..make videos and prepare for a fundraising effort	[16:55]
unclemantis	Kiba I agree	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck is -otc turning into bitcointalk anyway	[16:55]
unclemantis	frauf i agree	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	VRAGNARODAAAAAAAA	[16:55]
NASDAQEnema	frauf: associating with humans - arrest that scoundrel	[16:55]
Blitzboom	i simply don’t view the current bitcoin ecosystem as an economy	[16:55]
*	Kiba hates bitcoindrama and bitcoin-argument	[16:55]
unclemantis	mircea_popescu i am on your side	[16:55]
unclemantis	Kiba agrees	[16:55]
frauf	the humans i associate with dont live off peoples hurt	[16:55]
frauf	AND STUFF	[16:56]
*	unclemantis is hiding behind the trolls	[16:56]
NASDAQEnema	Blitzboom: cuz you don't need one	[16:56]
NASDAQEnema	frauf bullshit you pay taxes for war	[16:56]
Blitzboom	NASDAQEnema: would you say that there is a "paypal economy" too?	[16:56]
frauf	twist an arguemtn	[16:56]
Kiba	taxes for corruption	[16:56]
Kiba	taxes for wars	[16:56]
frauf	all that matters	[16:56]
unclemantis	what makes you think he pays taxes? :)	[16:56]
Kiba	taxes for medical research	[16:56]
frauf	this currency is a system for anonymity	[16:56]
Blitzboom	it’s USD => BTC => USD	[16:56]
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frauf	and for mostly every practical use it sucks for it	[16:56]
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mircea_popescu	mk ill be back later.	[16:56]
NASDAQEnema	bitcoin is NOT anonymous	[16:56]
Kiba	we should be able to pay taxes for medical research	[16:56]
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Blitzboom	noone will take your bitcoins because they are bitcoins, as i have already said	[16:57]
Kiba	and screw wars and corruption	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	after school starts or something.	[16:57]
frauf	yeah it is	[16:57]
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frauf	you can trace other anonymous trails	[16:57]
NASDAQEnema	bitcoin far more horough in financial surveillance than ANY other system	[16:57]
frauf	unless 2 parties share the same information	[16:57]
OneFixt	Bitcoin is not necessarily for anonymity, it is for decentralization. This channel is where the bitcoin economy exists.	[16:57]
frauf	nasdaq youre a fucking toss	[16:57]
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NASDAQEnema	frauf you need to get off your ass	[16:57]
unclemantis	Blitzboom i am sitting on them waiting for the day i can trade them in for Chinese Yen while the other americans are trading in their USD for pennies on the dollar	[16:57]
OneFixt	frauf: language please	[16:57]
Kiba	pennies on the dollars?	[16:58]
Kiba	sound NONSENSE	[16:58]
Blitzboom	this is just semantics anyway	[16:58]
Blitzboom	but to me, an economy is a "whole", autarc system	[16:58]
NASDAQEnema	unclemantis or you could skip the wait pay a btc coder to build your Japanese yen trading system	[16:58]
NASDAQEnema	Yen are from Japan	[16:58]
Mafiosi	anyone looking for a paypal or moneypak.............................................i am looking for BTC or LR	[16:59]
*	Kiba goes do a little bit of work before going to the gas station and get some drinks	[16:59]
unclemantis	the spelling is different, I know	[16:59]
Kiba	nothing like a little mountain dew!	[16:59]
pigeons	there are yuan exchanges	[16:59]
unclemantis	how do i set up a chinese bank account if i live in america?	[17:00]
NASDAQEnema	frauf by the way EVERY new thing gets in the hands of pornstters, gamblers, and black market when it begins	[17:00]
btchero2	like the internet?	[17:00]
NASDAQEnema	only the lazy complain about crime instead of doing something positive	[17:00]
frauf	you are trying to downplay something you beleive in	[17:00]
frauf	but unfortunately	[17:00]
frauf	this technology is used for common day normal people to buy drugs	[17:00]
frauf	and other things alike	[17:00]
btchero2	computer parts?	[17:00]
frauf	and is why it goes up and down depending on holiday seasons	[17:00]
btchero2	coffee?	[17:00]
btchero2	hosting?	[17:00]
NASDAQEnema	frauf the Internet was for the black market until housewives found a tse	[17:01]
btchero2	socks?	[17:01]
frauf	anonymous hosting maybe	[17:01]
btchero2	bitvps isn't annon	[17:01]
NASDAQEnema	you are associating with a tool used by many more crooks than bitcoin has been	[17:01]
frauf	you guys just dont want to admit youre spokesman for the online heroin trade	[17:01]
NASDAQEnema	frauf the Internet was the original spokesman	[17:01]
btchero2	fruaf we don't deny it	[17:02]
frauf	two wrongs dont make a right jackass	[17:02]
NASDAQEnema	get off the internet you hypocrite	[17:02]
btchero2	we just say there is a little more to it than that	[17:02]
frauf	you can see it on the face of every person who has spoken about bitcoin technology on youtube	[17:02]
frauf	theyre like "yeah but aww"	[17:02]
NASDAQEnema	same for the internet	[17:02]
frauf	"this is criminal but cool"	[17:02]
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frauf	not really	[17:02]
NASDAQEnema	same for the internet	[17:02]
frauf	its been abused	[17:02]
btchero2	never watched a youtube video about bitcoin	[17:02]
NASDAQEnema	1980s internet was black market	[17:03]
frauf	but hey thats why we are getting initials now	[17:03]
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NASDAQEnema	1980s internet was black market	[17:03]
frauf	SOPA PIPA ACTA LALA	[17:03]
frauf	bbses	[17:03]
frauf	for software games	[17:03]
frauf	that very little had access too	[17:03]
frauf	no worries	[17:03]
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NASDAQEnema	few ppl have access to bitcoins	[17:03]
frauf	everyone does	[17:03]
NASDAQEnema	you're running out of exits in this context	[17:03]
frauf	few people actually have them	[17:03]
unclemantis	http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704307404576080222812076888.html	[17:03]
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NASDAQEnema	frauf you are a coward and a hypocrite	[17:03]
btchero2	do you not understand that bitcoin is great because it is a decentralized currency?	[17:04]
unclemantis	kinda amazing that they are letting americans open up bank accounts for USD	[17:04]
NASDAQEnema	get the fuck out the way	[17:04]
frauf	nasdaq you are in denial that this hobby of yours is used 95% for drugs and illicit behaviour	[17:04]
frauf	bitcoin is fantastic..	[17:04]
NASDAQEnema	so was the Internet, so were cars, so are computters, so are banks	[17:04]
NASDAQEnema	gett the fuck out the way	[17:05]
unclemantis	...minimum deposit of $500.	[17:05]
unclemantis	blah. I guess I am going to have to wait	[17:05]
unclemantis	so i guess it is BTC, Silver and then Yuan	[17:06]
btchero2	unclemantis, cool article	[17:06]
btchero2	I want chinese bucks	[17:06]
NASDAQEnema	I have no fucking patience with sideshow armchair wannabe moral inquisitors	[17:06]
unclemantis	i agree btchero2	[17:06]
NASDAQEnema	nothing but a bunch of lazy douchebags	[17:06]
frauf	nasdaq youre such a toss	[17:06]
unclemantis	the only question is, since america is in debt to china how the hell can we buy yuan using usd?	[17:06]
NASDAQEnema	you already said that	[17:06]
frauf	im just making sure	[17:06]
frauf	you know this	[17:06]
frauf	its important.	[17:07]
btchero2	.o ud toss	[17:07]
markac	(vb.) to masturbate or wank; usu. used as a verbial phrase as in 'toss off'. Also forms 'tosser', lit. someone who masturbates, but used as a derogative.1. (noun, derog.) A useless or inept man. Used	[17:07]
smickles	O.o	[17:07]
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OneFixt	frauf: NASDAQEnema: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Bitcoin-otc_channel_guidelines	[17:07]
Kiba	biggest creditor to biggest debtor in 50 years?	[17:07]
frauf	bitcoin isnt a currency anyway its a coupon system for real money..	[17:07]
Kiba	we gotten a huge dividend from NOT having a destroyed economy at the end of WW2	[17:07]
NASDAQEnema	i can measure my contributions on more than two stink fingers	[17:07]
frauf	its a great technology	[17:07]
OneFixt	frauf: it's not a coupon system	[17:07]
Kiba	and then proceed to squander it all	[17:08]
frauf	hell yeah it is	[17:08]
NASDAQEnema	it's a token sysem	[17:08]
Bigpiggy01Mining	btchero2 you need CNY ?	[17:08]
frauf	thats what i meant	[17:08]
frauf	see you want me to be wrong but now youre on my side of argument	[17:08]
NASDAQEnema	that makes it better than a currency	[17:08]
errydayimgenerat	frauf you want to know what else is used for common normal people to buy drugs?	[17:08]
OneFixt	and i wouldn't call fiat "real money"	[17:08]
errydayimgenerat	the us dollar	[17:08]
Kiba	THE DOLLARS	[17:08]
frauf	yeah	[17:08]
NASDAQEnema	tokens are better than "real money"	[17:08]
btchero2	Bigpiggy01Mining, maybe someday	[17:08]
frauf	in real life	[17:08]
Kiba	there is no such as thing as real life and internet	[17:09]
Kiba	version	[17:09]
Kiba	there is just..LIFE	[17:09]
frauf	yupo	[17:09]
btchero2	if you aren't buying shit with gold coins, what is the difference between bitcoins and usd? not much methinks	[17:09]
NASDAQEnema	frauf's eyes hurt cuz he's never used them	[17:09]
smickles	IRL, the 3 character false dichotomy	[17:09]
frauf	and theres bad people and good people and good things and bad things	[17:09]
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btchero2	our hopes and dreams back the usd, just like bitcoin	[17:10]
NASDAQEnema	fuck the dollar	[17:10]
frauf	nasdaq did your dad hit you when you were younger	[17:10]
frauf	curious	[17:10]
errydayimgenerat	frauf: no there isn't	[17:10]
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errydayimgenerat	there is only people and things	[17:10]
smickles	and theres bad people and good people and good things and bad things < what about neutral ppl, neutral things	[17:10]
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frauf	fence sitters	[17:10]
NASDAQEnema	bitcoins don't make rice prices explode all over the world	[17:10]
OneFixt	frauf: once again, please see the guidelines	[17:10]
frauf	neutral is good	[17:10]
frauf	aight	[17:10]
errydayimgenerat	people establish good and bad	[17:10]
NASDAQEnema	frauf you're the biggest fence sitter in here	[17:10]
frauf	why	[17:11]
errydayimgenerat	but there's a way of non duality	[17:11]
NASDAQEnema	cuz you're whining instead of building	[17:11]
frauf	building what?	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:11]
NASDAQEnema	something positive with bitcoin - that's all it takes	[17:11]
smickles	" building a beter future!	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	"do you think i should be more decisive ?"	[17:11]
errydayimgenerat	it's easier to piss and moan than to take a stand and accomplish things NASDAQEnema	[17:11]
frauf	i hope in three years it could be easier to use than money	[17:12]
frauf	so it can have a purpose	[17:12]
OneFixt	mechanical turk and gaming industries are going to make much better use of btc than illicit markets - look at ogrr and coinworker	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	even easier still to have certain opinions about things you know not at all.	[17:12]
frauf	besides amibiguating its to-and-fro transactions	[17:12]
Kiba	I sucks at mechanical turks	[17:12]
frauf	something where you put in 40 bucks and its still 40 bucks when youre done	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	i see a grand future in general financial transactions onefixt. look at the entire swift mess.	[17:12]
OneFixt	frauf: perhaps you should check out the history of central banking	[17:12]
NASDAQEnema	OneFixt 3 2 1 and I'm ignoring this little twit	[17:12]
OneFixt	you don't have a dollar like you used to	[17:12]
OneFixt	you have about 2 cents	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	no sane banker would be on the sidelines of btc atm.	[17:13]
frauf	yeah its a federal reserve loan	[17:13]
frauf	etc	[17:13]
frauf	americavilles	[17:13]
frauf	but thats the world..	[17:13]
OneFixt	except bitcoin	[17:13]
btchero2	pull the trigger OneFixt	[17:13]
btchero2	do it	[17:13]
OneFixt	where a bitcoin is a bitcoin	[17:13]
NASDAQEnema	silence of the dumb - i love it	[17:13]
frauf	bitcoin is a token for this money you talk about	[17:13]
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frauf	whatever	[17:13]
OneFixt	nope, bitcoin is the money itself	[17:13]
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NASDAQEnema	bitcoin is better than money	[17:14]
frauf	im gonna go buy some shrooms off silk road	[17:14]
Blitzboom	OneFixt: although bitcoin’s purchasing power declined up to 94% in 6 months :P	[17:14]
frauf	bitcoin is an echo of money	[17:14]
NASDAQEnema	it can have temporay jumps in value in orthogonal markets	[17:14]
frauf	how can it be better	[17:14]
frauf	you need real money for bitcoin to work	[17:14]
helo	frauf: money and bitcoin are both "echoes" of value	[17:14]
btchero2	if i could pay my rent and electricity with btc, I wouldn't ever convert to usd	[17:14]
frauf	moneys closer..	[17:14]
frauf	cause like. you get money and make it a bitcoin	[17:15]
helo	frauf: they have no inherent value, only value based on people's trust in them	[17:15]
frauf	and stuff?	[17:15]
NASDAQEnema	Blitzboom: after jumping the same in 3 months we are at march 2011 levels	[17:15]
Blitzboom	OneFixt: the problem is that noone respects bitcoins as bitcoins	[17:15]
NASDAQEnema	I do	[17:15]
OneFixt	Blitzboom: speak for yourself, i do1	[17:15]
frauf	but it goes "government - bank - account - person" for money and ""government - bank - account - person - internet - bitcoin"	[17:15]
Blitzboom	most people just take the current exchange rate	[17:15]
frauf	theyre not 2 different things its a process	[17:15]
helo	frauf: those are "echoes" of value... they are the same in that respect. the dollar just has a more well distributed group that agree on the value.	[17:15]
frauf	its not gold or silver	[17:15]
frauf	where you can get it fro mthe ground with an inherit value	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	so if anyone wishes to partake in ancient romanian divination,	[17:16]
frauf	its a digital ambiguation of a currency made for people who want to buy stuff anonymously	[17:16]
NASDAQEnema	i hope ppl never fully agree on btc value	[17:16]
Blitzboom	OneFixt: where can i buy the same goods for the same BTC even when its dollar value declines?	[17:16]
OneFixt	frauf: that's not what the whitepaper says	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	you pick a day from 1 to 10th of march (today)	[17:16]
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mircea_popescu	and that day will be descriptive of your entire year,.	[17:16]
OneFixt	it's not intended to be anonymous, the main goal is to be decentralized	[17:16]
Blitzboom	the only thing i know of is the "i bought this badge with bitcoins" badge	[17:16]
btchero2	if everyone in the world used bitcoins, the manipulators would have to be behemoths to change the btc/usd price	[17:16]
OneFixt	anonymity is a side-benefit	[17:16]
Blitzboom	which costs 1 BTC	[17:16]
frauf	as of now cause its stupid to put it through that machine than actually using real money	[17:16]
OneFixt	Blitzboom: wherever anyone decides you can; try the nerd badge	[17:16]
Blitzboom	yeah, i just mentioned that	[17:17]
unclemantis	I bought a Cassacus coin, just because	[17:17]
OneFixt	http://www.nerdmeritbadges.com/products/bitcoin	[17:17]
Blitzboom	but i’m saying that’s the exception	[17:17]
OneFixt	yup	[17:17]
OneFixt	we make the exceptions	[17:17]
NASDAQEnema	i did horrible on coinworker the categories and challenges suck balls	[17:17]
OneFixt	this all started from nothing, and got this far	[17:17]
OneFixt	why in the world do people assume that this is all there will ever be?	[17:17]
NASDAQEnema	OneFixt: television	[17:18]
helo	impatience	[17:18]
OneFixt	NASDAQEnema: good answer	[17:18]
btchero2	the future is fuzzy, hindsight is 20/20	[17:18]
Blitzboom	dunno. i don’t see any trend to accept BTC as BTC and not a function of USD	[17:18]
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OneFixt	we make trends	[17:18]
NASDAQEnema	Blitzboom: the ppl who wantt to can't get any	[17:18]
Blitzboom	which is funny, because it would back bitcoins, literally	[17:18]
OneFixt	naturally the value of bitcoins will fluctuate until distribution is wider and until inflation drops a bit	[17:19]
OneFixt	then you can expect to see more prices denominated in bitcoin	[17:19]
Blitzboom	the assumption here is that the distribution is getting better	[17:19]
OneFixt	of course it is	[17:19]
Blitzboom	i’m not even sure it is	[17:19]
NASDAQEnema	there is no single value of bitcoin	[17:19]
OneFixt	look at how many people can get coins through coinworker and ogrr	[17:19]
Blitzboom	sure, but what kind of sums are that?	[17:20]
Blitzboom	ok, inflation should distribute better	[17:20]
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btchero2	you mean future sums?	[17:20]
Blitzboom	i think there were 6 million coins when i started out	[17:20]
OneFixt	Blitzboom: you're making the mistake of valuing btc against fiat again	[17:20]
Blitzboom	now there are 2.5 more	[17:20]
Blitzboom	no, relative to BTC money uspply	[17:20]
Blitzboom	basically you can distribute all you want, but it will hardly make satoshi lose any relevance	[17:21]
OneFixt	nor does it have to	[17:22]
OneFixt	this isn't communism	[17:22]
Blitzboom	a system should serve its users	[17:22]
Blitzboom	:P	[17:22]
OneFixt	a system IS its users	[17:22]
OneFixt	and if you take from one user to serve another.. you're only serving the other	[17:22]
Saiga12	Anyone interested in a surveillance camera for cheap btc?	[17:22]
Blitzboom	the system is the framework the users operate in	[17:22]
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OneFixt	the system is also built by the users	[17:23]
OneFixt	Saiga12: you can put it on the order book	[17:23]
Joric	the price either plummets or skyrockets all the time i wonder how i supposed to run btc business	[17:23]
Blitzboom	though i have to say, pirate seems the only guy who creates big walls now	[17:23]
Saiga12	What's up nicole	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	options joric.	[17:23]
Blitzboom	not sure i like this kind of "distribution"	[17:23]
Blitzboom	at least earlier there seemed to be lots of bigger competitors	[17:23]
OneFixt	Joric: if you're running a virtual goods business, it doesn't really hurt you; if you are running auctions, it's actually good because people can overbid but never underbid	[17:23]
jcpham	what happens is specialization	[17:24]
Joric	http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/download aint it cool	[17:24]
jcpham	humans evolve to specialized skills	[17:24]
jcpham	this specialization has the tendency to reduce competition	[17:24]
Blitzboom	OneFixt: no, the framework was laid by satoshi	[17:25]
OneFixt	open-source	[17:25]
OneFixt	he's been gone for a very long time	[17:25]
unclemantis	wtf?	[17:25]
Blitzboom	that’s irrelevant	[17:25]
unclemantis	http://nodenailer.crowdflower.com/?w=200&method=resize&url=http://s3.amazonaws.com/crowdflower_mod/skout/a47e8d068f6aaf38d287fadab2de8437_bg.jpg&h=200	[17:25]
unclemantis	how the hell is this PORNOGRAPHIC!?	[17:25]
Blitzboom	his legacy can’t be altered	[17:25]
unclemantis	coinworker sucks. FAIL!	[17:25]
jcpham	yes coinworker is suck	[17:26]
Blitzboom	the basic monetary decisions he made	[17:26]
OneFixt	unclemantis: the rules say no front or back nudity	[17:26]
jcpham	i tried one of those long ass surveys myself	[17:26]
OneFixt	it's not only for pornography	[17:26]
Blitzboom	if they are altered, then trust in bitcoin vanishes	[17:26]
Blitzboom	so he kind of blackmailed the future user	[17:26]
Bigpiggy01Mining	their prices for work are just ridiculous	[17:26]
unclemantis	OneFixt well that is stupid	[17:26]
OneFixt	Blitzboom: don't be silly; he made a system that we jumped on	[17:26]
OneFixt	unclemantis: rules are rules, that's what their customer wants apparently	[17:27]
OneFixt	Blitzboom: we can leave it if we don't like it and make something better	[17:27]
Blitzboom	OneFixt: i jumped on it because of just that reasoning	[17:27]
unclemantis	but men are DIFFERENT	[17:27]
unclemantis	a man with no shirt is not the same as a woman with no shirt	[17:27]
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Blitzboom	OneFixt: no, if bitcoin fails, there will be no serious successor ever	[17:27]
OneFixt	unclemantis: i agree, of course	[17:27]
unclemantis	well fuck that	[17:27]
Blitzboom	there can’t be because trust can’t be restored	[17:27]
unclemantis	that is censorship and I am not going to have a part in it for ANY amount of BTC	[17:27]
OneFixt	Blitzboom: maybe, maybe not; but bitcoin itself is very nearly optimimal given the current state of technology	[17:28]
Blitzboom	it’s not about technology, it’s about the monetary policies he employed	[17:28]
OneFixt	as long as satoshi isn't showing up at your doorstep to collect taxes, i have no problem with him	[17:28]
luke-jr	It's tempting to turn #bitcoin-watch into a webapp…	[17:28]
luke-jr	not everyone cares to see TBC. or GBP. etc.	[17:29]
luke-jr	would be nice to be able to configure "Show Bitcoin prices in TBC, and convert fiat prices to USD"	[17:29]
Blitzboom	i think noone cares about TBC but you	[17:29]
Blitzboom	:D	[17:29]
OneFixt	Blitzboom: many of us use btc precisely because of the monetary policies that he employed - controlled supply and distribution that favors the early adopters	[17:29]
Blitzboom	OneFixt: how far can the favoring of the early adopters go until there is no longer an incentive for later adopters?	[17:30]
tbage	yo	[17:30]
Blitzboom	there was a great topic about this	[17:30]
tbage	what about people who fucking die	[17:30]
tbage	what happens to their coinz	[17:31]
OneFixt	Blitzboom: about another 10 years?	[17:31]
imsaguy2	unclemantis: the rules are adult content, not porn	[17:31]
imsaguy2	that image is adult content	[17:31]
Blitzboom	OneFixt: no, we have already stalled in user growth	[17:31]
imsaguy2	reread the guidelines	[17:31]
OneFixt	Blitzboom: we grow in spurts, this is a plateau before the next spurt	[17:31]
Joric	tbage, their coinz go to heaven	[17:31]
tbage	oh tru	[17:31]
tbage	are any heaven vendorz accepting coinz?	[17:31]
tbage	for like sluts & booze?	[17:32]
imsaguy2	jesus hates bitcoin	[17:32]
OneFixt	you need the physical bitcoins to cross the river styx	[17:32]
tbage	hm	[17:32]
Blitzboom	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48521.0	[17:32]
Blitzboom	related thread	[17:32]
tbage	maybe there's a space for a bitcoinz to heaven service	[17:32]
Blitzboom	i guess we will just have to find out	[17:33]
tbage	tru$t in bitcoin heaven	[17:35]
tbage	i'll start buying old harddrives from estate sales	[17:35]
tbage	to mine them for coinstores	[17:35]
unclemantis	the only good thing i got out of that thread was this http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/funny-gifs-me-too-bro.gif	[17:35]
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extor	Who has played with the dwolla spot feature	[17:36]
Joric	tbage, i've sent several coins to artifically generated addresses, will use them after in 2020 or so ) used the same algorithm as here https://bitcointools.appspot.com	[17:38]
[\\\\]	damn this game is actually really great: http://www.dragons.tl/download.php	[17:40]
[\\\\]	a bitcoin mmo + casino	[17:40]
tbage	Joric	[17:42]
tbage	for what purpose	[17:42]
tbage	to what end	[17:42]
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helo	so he doesn't have to worry about making wallet backups, and will be able to retrieve them then	[17:42]
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frauf	so hey if youre struggling to explain what bitcoins all about i made it easier in a photo http://i.imgur.com/1rwLC.png	[17:44]
frauf	its a very popular brand world-wide !	[17:44]
imsaguy2	;;ident "[\\\\\\\\]"	[17:44]
imsaguy2	someguy, you so tricky	[17:45]
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bitcoinTrader	hi	[17:50]
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bitcoinTrader	;;seen napkin2	[17:52]
jaypetermm	anyone looking for moneypak or paypal........................................i am looking for BTC & LR	[17:53]
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btchero2	how much and what rate?	[18:00]
jaypetermm	i can provide 2-3000	[18:00]
jaypetermm	$	[18:00]
jaypetermm	you can take to the level you wish to trade	[18:01]
jaypetermm	1 btc = 5.23 $	[18:01]
btchero2	hmmm, i might be interested in a little while	[18:01]
jaypetermm	ok	[18:02]
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Raccoon	I'm selling premium bitcoins for $30 USD	[18:12]
Raccoon	pre-crash era prices	[18:13]
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phraust	FANCY	[18:14]
Raccoon	your purchase will come with a signed certificate of authenticity.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	and a diploma >?	[18:15]
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Raccoon	I've only got University of Phoenix, degrees in Fine Arts/Pottery available until my supplier pulls through.	[18:16]
Raccoon	Should get you a position as Cashier Superviser at Wal-Mart	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	i am smart! i am smart!	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	S-M-R-T!	[18:18]
Blitzboom	i can offer silver parity coins	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	and ftr U of A kicks ass as a party whorehouse.	[18:18]
Raccoon	Why is it a course in fine arts, and not a fine in course arts?	[18:19]
Raccoon	mircea_popescu: U of P is a party whorehouse. Well. Being the online college of choice for prostitutes and pimps.	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	http://www.arizona.edu/ <<	[18:21]
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Saiga12	Anyone interested in a CCTV surveillance camera for cheap btc?	[18:31]
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Raccoon	analog or digital?	[18:32]
Saiga12	Raccoon its a digital processor but output is BNC	[18:33]
Saiga12	Its not an IP CAMERA those are tru digital megapixel cameras coat around $800+	[18:34]
Raccoon	i wasn't ruling out USB webcam type :)	[18:35]
Raccoon	some nice HD cameras going for under $100	[18:35]
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Saiga12	Show me	[18:37]
Saiga12	I do this for a living	[18:37]
Saiga12	Anything for a hundred msrp is junk	[18:37]
Saiga12	Is it pelco bosch arecont or american dynamics?	[18:37]
Saiga12	Raccoon link me to a high def cctv cam for 100	[18:38]
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Raccoon	I think they were Microsoft	[18:40]
Raccoon	sec	[18:40]
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Raccoon	http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-LifeCam-Studio-1080p-Webcam/dp/B0042X8NT6	[18:41]
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Saiga12	High definition is 10+ mp	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	I was scammed for 10.5 bitcoins by "bitcoinhero". Beware of him because of his 56 post count he might seem legit,but he is a scammer.	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483.msg772716#msg772716	[18:42]
Kiba	mircea_popescu: you should have used an escrow	[18:42]
btchero2	also bitcoinhero is not BTCHero	[18:42]
Raccoon	HD to video is 720 or 1080	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	its not me, im just quoting, and yea, is what i was trying to see	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	cause the alleged name is familiar.	[18:42]
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Kiba	look like the poster	[18:43]
jaypetermm	anyone looking for 2k moneypak or paypal........................................i am looking for BTC & LR	[18:43]
rg	jay: you might consider trading moneypak for MtGOX USD	[18:43]
jcpham	i have copious amount of original 1080 stashed	[18:43]
btchero2	sucks that a scammer is using such a similar name to mine	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	thought you'd care to know.	[18:43]
Raccoon	sagia12: in any event, they'd make formidable surveillance cameras with the right setup.	[18:44]
btchero2	I don't go on the forums much, i think i have 2 or 3 posts. I think that people in here know im not a scammer so I am not too worried	[18:44]
Raccoon	Saiga12: so what are you selling btw?	[18:45]
jcpham	capital wtf:	[18:45]
jcpham	http://pastebin.com/ZVU4TKNk	[18:45]
jcpham	who the shit is pastebin-ing me	[18:45]
Saiga12	Pelco is90 3-9mm wide angle lens cctv camer	[18:46]
rg	lol	[18:46]
rg	check this email	[18:46]
Saiga12	WhT you linked me to raccoon was a webcam.....shitty usb webcam	[18:46]
rg	Hi,	[18:46]
rg	I will not go on with your VPS services.	[18:46]
rg	Regarding to the bill I received, your business plan looks VERY unprofessional : big red threatening "UNPAID"	[18:46]
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jaypetermm	offering 5.23 for 1 btc	[18:46]
rg	its actually 'Unpaid'	[18:46]
Saiga12	Surveillance is a whole different realm	[18:46]
rg	www.firenzee.com/ch.jpg	[18:47]
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rg	thats what our invoice looks like	[18:47]
rg	... real unprofessional	[18:48]
Raccoon	Saiga12: i suppose if someone's interested in the whole stand-alone DVR setup	[18:48]
Raccoon	shitty webcams are really quite flexible	[18:49]
Saiga12	Thats what surveillance is	[18:49]
Saiga12	Its not for webchats	[18:49]
Raccoon	not to mention high quality images	[18:49]
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Saiga12	Its for seeing what happening in and around your house or business when you arent there	[18:49]
Raccoon	i've worked many people's security DVRs and you usually can't see shit	[18:49]
Saiga12	And having record of it	[18:49]
Raccoon	so what's wrong with the camera I linked, mounted outside?	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	so wait, the surveillance cams are actually better devices than what the hos use ?!	[18:50]
Saiga12	Thats cuz those people were sold shit by asshole companies by salesmen who have no clue	[18:50]
Saiga12	Look up arecont......those are beast	[18:50]
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btchero2	rg my invoice would say FUCK YOU PAY ME in big red letters	[18:50]
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Saiga12	You cant just mount that outside plus you cant go more than so many feet with usb	[18:51]
Saiga12	I can run my camera upto 1500ft away	[18:51]
Saiga12	Buy an axis ip converter and you can pit it anywhere in the world	[18:52]
Raccoon	USB is good for about a thousand feet if done right	[18:52]
Raccoon	and you can just mount that outside if you want.	[18:53]
Saiga12	And is that camera rated for outdoor use? Humidity protection and heater for below freezing temps	[18:53]
Raccoon	stick it in a plexi box if you must	[18:53]
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rg	its just funny	[18:53]
Saiga12	Oh so lets buy something crappy and make it look crappier by putting a giant plastic box around it	[18:53]
rg	instead of saying 'id like to cancel'	[18:53]
rg	they attack our billing system, which i didnt even write	[18:54]
Saiga12	Now you're insulting me	[18:54]
Raccoon	sagia12: those bulbs cost $20 tops	[18:54]
Saiga12	Its not a bulb	[18:54]
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Raccoon	globes	[18:54]
Saiga12	Its a resistive heat coil with a fan and temp sensor	[18:54]
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Saiga12	Look up a bosch vg4 ptz camera	[18:55]
errydayimgenerat	operation mouse slayer begin	[18:55]
errydayimgenerat	also, want to trade, or just bullshit inappropriately? join #bitcoin-otc-nsfw	[18:55]
Saiga12	Look up the pelco spectra dome	[18:55]
errydayimgenerat	cutting edge in vulgar trading	[18:56]
errydayimgenerat	also a good place to share hot sxy porn pics	[18:57]
btchero2	lol, ill bite i bet it is funny	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	nobody's gonna join that.	[18:57]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: brendio's discussion with your PR lady has clarified the system a lot more for me now. I'm still not too sure how to price it in my head yet, but I'm more inclined to get involved :P	[18:58]
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copumpkin	although pricing doesn't really mean much when I don't know what I'm getting up front	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	haha that's good then	[18:58]
copumpkin	which I do think is a legitimate concern	[18:58]
Saiga12	Raccoon: do you want to continue packing sand?	[18:58]
phraust	oooh...	[18:58]
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copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I know that you don't know a good price on it yet either :)	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	but seriously tho : this current round, there's over 60 btc in already for 1mn shares. that values MPOE > 300k usd, which is flattering but likely an exaggeration.	[18:59]
copumpkin	and is why you're doing that	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	might be a good ideea to wait till enxt share block.	[18:59]
copumpkin	yeah, except won't that be allocating even fewer?	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	well you don't know that yet.	[18:59]
copumpkin	why are you only allocating 0.1% of the company to begin with, anyway?	[18:59]
jcpham	long rounds is boring	[18:59]
copumpkin	YOU GREEDY CAPITALIST	[18:59]
copumpkin	(SCUM/PIG)	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	lol. to give price formation a chance.	[18:59]
copumpkin	are you gonna release who got shares so we can approach them with offers? :P	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	im sure if you whine here someone might come out	[19:00]
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mircea_popescu	but otherwise no, i plan to only publish btc addies	[19:00]
copumpkin	yeah, was just kidding :)	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	tho i think there's more ppl waiting to buy in 2ndary market than are willing to go the ipo way	[19:01]
copumpkin	yeah, because we don't know what we're getting in the IPO :)	[19:01]
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mircea_popescu	well everyone has to face the music at some point you see. the bonds and the shares.	[19:01]
copumpkin	I still think the idle money in the bond deal is a bad idea, although I do see why you do that too	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	shares do a one-time-run for it,	[19:01]
errydayimgenerat	mircea_popescu: a handful of people joined	[19:01]
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mircea_popescu	bonds do it more softly but longer.	[19:02]
errydayimgenerat	it's where you take topics that are innapropriate for here	[19:02]
errydayimgenerat	but you wanna chit chat about anyways	[19:02]
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mircea_popescu	i am discussing seriouz biznis woman, dun interrupt.	[19:02]
errydayimgenerat	also where you go to talk about people behind their backs imho	[19:02]
copumpkin	lol	[19:02]
errydayimgenerat	sry master :(	[19:02]
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copumpkin	man, mircea_popescu picked up some slaves in -otc already	[19:02]
errydayimgenerat	i'm everyone's slave.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	see ? better than nsfw	[19:03]
errydayimgenerat	i'm collared by mankind :3	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	o, public slavery ? that's an ideea.	[19:03]
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mircea_popescu	pity most people are such aholes	[19:03]
errydayimgenerat	:<	[19:03]
errydayimgenerat	not shcckled	[19:03]
errydayimgenerat	just collared	[19:03]
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errydayimgenerat	http://www.bdsmtrainingacademy.com/CollarLeash.jpg	[19:05]
errydayimgenerat	knd of nsfw? no nudity	[19:05]
errydayimgenerat	but omg :3	[19:05]
errydayimgenerat	jelly	[19:05]
jaypetermm	offering 5.23 for 1 btc	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/res/244.html plenty of both.	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	;;ident jaypetermm	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	you might want to get into the wot jay.	[19:06]
jaypetermm	mircea_popescu means	[19:07]
Cory	NSFW ^	[19:07]
jaypetermm	i dont understand	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	how did the tell guide command go ?	[19:07]
errydayimgenerat	it's just ;;guide	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	tell it to him	[19:07]
helo	WOT?	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	;;tell helo [guide]	[19:08]
helo	wot. the. fuck.	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	;;tell jaypetermm [guide]	[19:08]
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mcorlett	jaypetermm: Did you sort your authentication problems out?	[19:09]
muff1nman	;;guide	[19:09]
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jaypetermm	yes got different nickname now	[19:09]
jaypetermm	mcorlett you want me to login through that	[19:10]
rg	omg iknow that girl	[19:10]
errydayimgenerat	what girl	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	THAT girl.	[19:11]
phraust	??	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	the eat girl.	[19:11]
MBS	so lol	[19:12]
phraust	haha	[19:12]
MBS	casino im going to this weekend for cousins birthday	[19:12]
MBS	they let you apply for credit from them :\|	[19:12]
MBS	THAT seems like a good idea	[19:12]
errydayimgenerat	lol	[19:12]
errydayimgenerat	at what rate?	[19:12]
rg	oh and if anyone cares	[19:12]
errydayimgenerat	broken limbs%?	[19:12]
rg	i got an email from the place thats hiring me, they said the work i sent them was great and if i was in UK id start next monday	[19:12]
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Saiga12goesBOOM	[12:13] (Saiga12goesBOOM) Anyone interested in a pelco is90 for cheap bitcoin (cctv surveillance cam)	[19:13]
[eval]	rg: are you going to work remotely from the US?	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	wd rg.	[19:13]
MBS	no interest, but you have to use it to gamble	[19:15]
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Cory	rg: :DDD	[19:15]
errydayimgenerat	wait, you have to get their credit thing to gamble?	[19:15]
helo	so they give you money that you can only give back to them, heh	[19:15]
helo	so they probably don't even actually give it to you	[19:15]
helo	they just let you play using some kind of casino card, and then harass you to pay them what you "owe" them	[19:16]
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errydayimgenerat	they probably do that so you can't keep track of your funds as easily	[19:16]
errydayimgenerat	or so you go over your intended spending real easily	[19:16]
errydayimgenerat	and so you can lose even more money an pay it off with unforgiving interest rates	[19:17]
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Bigpiggy01Mining	imsaguy you around?	[19:17]
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jaypetermm	paulzag u arround ?	[19:18]
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errydayimgenerat	errydayimgenerat: you around?	[19:18]
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errydayimgenerat	oh hey there, how's it going?	[19:18]
errydayimgenerat	good man, you got my money?	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	you're aro-under.	[19:18]
errydayimgenerat	nah man, i'll get it soon	[19:18]
errydayimgenerat	i'll cut you mang	[19:18]
errydayimgenerat	...	[19:18]
errydayimgenerat	i've been to the psych ward before	[19:19]
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BTCHero	surprising	[19:19]
errydayimgenerat	is that a surprise or what	[19:19]
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rg	snow!	[19:23]
rg	vragnaroda is about to get douched with snow	[19:23]
rg	big time	[19:23]
DeLorean731	whats up erry d:	[19:23]
rg	[eval]: no, im moving	[19:23]
errydayimgenerat	what's good DeLorean731	[19:23]
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errydayimgenerat	there's an illicit innapropriate otc now. :)	[19:24]
errydayimgenerat	#bitcoin-otc-nsfw	[19:24]
errydayimgenerat	for innapropriate convos	[19:24]
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imsaguy2	Bigpiggy01Mining, sorta, what's up	[19:28]
MBS	https://www.ldlcasino.com/assets/PDF/Asia-229-12Menu-of-4prf1.pdf	[19:28]
MBS	mmmm steamed chicken feet	[19:28]
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jaypetermm	anyone looking for 2k moneypak or paypal........................................i am looking for BTC & LR	[19:30]
errydayimgenerat	2k paypal? sheeeeeeeit	[19:30]
jaypetermm	offering 5.23 $ for 1 btc	[19:30]
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errydayimgenerat	;;getrating jaypetermm	[19:30]
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Coolio-	jaypetermm: how about cash in mail, Express mailed	[19:32]
jaypetermm	i never tried it	[19:32]
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jaypetermm	& dont know how to use it	[19:32]
Cory	DBordello: Did BitTech have a receipt for his MoneyPak?	[19:32]
errydayimgenerat	ddon't know how to use cash in the mail?	[19:33]
Coolio-	i don't have your $2k jay but i think a friend of mine does	[19:33]
jaypetermm	ok	[19:33]
Coolio-	he should be waking up or getting on any minute or hour now	[19:33]
Coolio-	;;getrating jaypetermm	[19:33]
jaypetermm	+Cory DBordello what is bitTech ?	[19:34]
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Coolio-	cash in mail means you wouldn't get the bitcoins until tomorrow around noon when your express flat rate envelope with an envelope of cash inside arrives at friend's ho use	[19:34]
Coolio-	but i'm pretty sure he's ready to sell that much	[19:34]
Coolio-	he usually uses mtgox but would rather not if he can get cash	[19:35]
Cory	jaypetermm: Somebody on Bitcointalk wants me to buy his $95 MoneyPak, but he doesn't have the receipt.	[19:35]
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jaypetermm	+Cory DBordello even if you want scan copy of moneypak i can arrange it as well	[19:35]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: your PR lady's assistance is needed once more	[19:35]
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mircea_popescu	hm?	[19:35]
Cory	I don't want $2k anyway. :P	[19:35]
copumpkin	Cory: wtf is wrong with you, why not?	[19:35]
jaypetermm	i understand but if have doubt i can clear that	[19:36]
Cory	Good to know, jaypetermm. :)	[19:36]
Cory	copumpkin: ihu	[19:36]
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jaypetermm	see i have already exchange arround 4000 $ moneypak	[19:36]
jaypetermm	today	[19:36]
jaypetermm	yesterday arround 2.5 k	[19:36]
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jaypetermm	so no one can do that much if you are not sure about your work	[19:37]
jaypetermm	& moreover i offer 100 % refund if anyhow anyone face any problem with my trade	[19:37]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I posted my usual questions/concerns on the thread :)	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	a, im sure you will be satisfied :)	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	lot of volume there jay.	[19:38]
jaypetermm	i know	[19:39]
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jaypetermm	my capicity to arrange 10000 $ moneypak in a day	[19:39]
jaypetermm	so cant work for long if people have doubt in thr mind	[19:40]
Coolio-	jaypetermm, do you only buy bitcoin?	[19:40]
jaypetermm	bitcoins or LR	[19:40]
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mircea_popescu	would be very good if you identified	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	seeing how someone could impersonate you otherwise.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	and ruin your name.	[19:42]
imsaguy2	;;calc 600 / [ticker --lsat]	[19:42]
imsaguy2	;;calc 600 / [ticker --last]	[19:42]
imsaguy2	;;calc 600 * [ticker --last]	[19:42]
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jaypetermm	+mircea_popescu i can but would be possible with different nickname	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	well up to you, really.	[19:45]
pigeons	jay would be hard to imitate, he is 1 of a kind	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	:p	[19:46]
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jaypetermm_	+mircea_popescu anyway to get the same nickname	[19:48]
unclemantis	jaypetermm change your fucking nick before I tag you with one!	[19:48]
jaypetermm_	i have changed already	[19:48]
unclemantis	bullshit	[19:48]
unclemantis	this is the same nick as you had this morning	[19:49]
GlooBoy	''eauth GlooBoy	[19:49]
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jaypetermm_	ok let me login with that name	[19:49]
*	You are now known as jaypetermm	[19:49]
unclemantis	change it to Dingleberry for all i care	[19:49]
jaypetermm	hello people	[19:49]
jaypetermm	please sell me your btc!!	[19:49]
unclemantis	hey jay!	[19:49]
*	You are now known as mircea_popescu	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	see what i mean ?	[19:49]
unclemantis	good to see a trustworthy bloke in here for once!	[19:49]
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unclemantis	hey jaypetermm_, be sure to pay the asshole tax on the way out! 1TAXcFwKaK3pdYHJa82CfsEDvr2tsrSkK	[19:50]
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jaypetermm_	u asshole	[19:51]
jaypetermm_	hahahaha	[19:51]
jaypetermm_	ok i will	[19:51]
rg	if youre paying asshole tax	[19:51]
rg	pay it to nanotube	[19:51]
rg	1F1dPZxdxVVigpGdsafnZ3cFBdMGDADFDe	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	is asshole tax paid for the asshole or in the asshole ?	[19:51]
unclemantis	my asshole tax private key is not even online	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	cause i paid some recently and would like to know if i need to refund.	[19:51]
errydayimgenerat	i'd like to make a deposit	[19:51]
unclemantis	I will be HAPPY to send the private key to nanotube. I haven't even checked the balance :)	[19:52]
errydayimgenerat	i have a few million sea men that need to undock for some r&r	[19:52]
imsaguy2	lol	[19:53]
imsaguy2	for some reason, I doubt they're going to return to port	[19:53]
errydayimgenerat	they're hungry	[19:53]
errydayimgenerat	trying to get to the diner for eggs	[19:53]
errydayimgenerat	unfortunately everything on the menu is shit	[19:54]
errydayimgenerat	and it's owned by an asshole	[19:54]
unclemantis	LOL	[19:54]
unclemantis	http://www.blockchain.info/address/1TAXcFwKaK3pdYHJa82CfsEDvr2tsrSkK	[19:55]
unclemantis	omg!	[19:55]
unclemantis	people are really paying the asshole tax?	[19:56]
rg	;;ticker	[19:56]
phraust	;;sell 4000 USD at "4000/{mtgoxlast}" BTC via MoneyPak	[19:56]
gribble	Order id 6987 created.	[19:56]
unclemantis	once it reaches 1btc i will donate the private key to a worthy cause	[19:56]
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helo	do you know of any worthy causes that accept bitcoin private keys as donations?	[19:57]
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Joric	are those 0.006 for sorting the pornography on coinworker	[19:57]
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helo	and why wouldn't you just send bitcoin to their donation address?	[19:57]
Joric	unclemantis, got those too	[19:58]
Joric	just checked	[19:58]
Joric	that's kind of job i always dreamed about!	[19:59]
rg	phraust: you baller	[20:00]
phraust	haha.	[20:00]
phraust	i wish.	[20:00]
rg	74.81.95.154 8333 1,183.23 United States (Atlanta) master.btcvps.net	[20:01]
rg	aha	[20:01]
rg	we're connected to blockchain	[20:01]
Joric	looks like they paid 0.0005 fee for sending those 0.006 btc	[20:01]
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muff1nman	fuck	[20:05]
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bitcoinTrader	buying LR	[20:07]
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bitcoinTrader	any1 wants to sell LR for mtgox usd	[20:07]
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bitcoinTrader	cryptoxchange coupon	[20:07]
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rawrmage	vragnaroda: Did you know that 'ponygang' is almost an anagram of 'pyongyang'?	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	nooo ?	[20:13]
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Trader655	hi	[20:16]
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mircea_popescu	that was fast.	[20:17]
Cory	-otc is efficient. :)	[20:17]
muff1nman	;;seen danieldaniel	[20:18]
gribble	danieldaniel was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 10 hours, 52 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: bai gais	[20:18]
sgornick	;;view 6987	[20:19]
sgornick	phraust: Qty @ Unit Price is the format. Were you intending to list that as you did?	[20:19]
rg	imsaguy2	[20:20]
rg	you there	[20:20]
phraust	couldn't figure out how to domath in the first slot.	[20:20]
phraust	automatically.	[20:20]
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imsaguy2	sorta, what's up?	[20:21]
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rg	we need a payout	[20:21]
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sgornick	phraust: You could just say buy 800 BTC at "{mtgoxlast}" USD "MoneyPak only. 4,000 USDs" and then explain the details in the description.	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	so he wants to do it that way.	[20:24]
*	phraust shrugs.	[20:24]
phraust	i think it gets the point across the way it is, no?	[20:24]
phraust	;;view 6987	[20:24]
gribble	#6987 Wed Feb 29 09:56:35 2012 phraust SELL 4000.0 USD @ 819.68 BTC (via MoneyPak)	[20:24]
rg	fuck you bitcoin	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	fuck you too rg.	[20:25]
rg	you cost our company to lose SO much money this month	[20:25]
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rg	the best part is, someone is walking around with that money in their pocket	[20:26]
sgornick	phraust: Technically, yes. Most eyeballing the order book see "buy" / "sell" in relation to BTCs. You are looking to buy but have a sell order.	[20:26]
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sgornick	phraust: That's fine however you want to list it, I just was seeing if you weren't aware of how that gets interpreted.	[20:28]
phraust	thanks for the heads up. i'm still learning ;)	[20:28]
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kakobrekla	rg?	[20:29]
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rg	kakobrekla: we were holding btc	[20:29]
rg	the rate dropped more than a dollar	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	you need to buy options.	[20:29]
rg	thats a $1.30 loss on every coin	[20:29]
rg	no	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	a well.	[20:29]
rg	we're just going to use bitpay	[20:29]
btchero2	you dont have a btclending account?	[20:29]
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rg	no	[20:30]
btchero2	I have to be close to losing no money because of mine	[20:30]
rg	and it doesnt matter, we'd still have lost money	[20:30]
rg	if bitcoin stayed at 6.10, we'd be fine	[20:30]
rg	we're cashing out our bitcoin savings now to pay bills	[20:30]
rg	which i wanted to use for the loan to buy servers	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	whats btclending do ?	[20:30]
rg	but thats out the window now	[20:30]
rg	mircea_popescu: gives you 1ish%	[20:31]
btchero2	its closed	[20:31]
rg	on btc	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	aha	[20:31]
copumpkin	rg: I posted on your thread	[20:31]
rg	well dont bother now	[20:31]
rg	its over	[20:31]
kakobrekla	1% a day.	[20:31]
btchero2	you would have only needed your money in there for a month and you would be in the green rg	[20:31]
copumpkin	I do think it'd be clever for rg (and other bitcoin businesses that don't want to speculate) to hedge risks using mircea_popescu's options	[20:31]
btchero2	I am so glad i hopped on that boat :)	[20:31]
copumpkin	btchero2: there's risk, obviously	[20:32]
btchero2	yes	[20:32]
rg	btchero: we're still 'in teh green'	[20:32]
rg	but we have to cash out money i wanted to save	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	well actually miners are prolly the main target.	[20:32]
btchero2	i risk a lot... too me anyway	[20:32]
rg	i dont understand the options	[20:32]
rg	and im not risking our money on something i dont understand	[20:32]
rg	that'd be like us sending our 200 btc to bitcoinica and making random offers	[20:33]
rg	:P	[20:33]
btchero2	me either, there needs to be more english on that site mircea_popescu	[20:33]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: companies hedge all the time too :) often using futures, but options work too	[20:33]
copumpkin	rg: take the time to learn how they work, and then use them :P	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	rg that's wise.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	but you should read up on them, in general.	[20:33]
rg	meh	[20:33]
rg	we're just gonna use bitpay	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	well btchero2, i'll take q's	[20:33]
rg	if we had been using bitpay in the first place, we wouldnt have lost any money	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	rg doth not like reading.	[20:33]
copumpkin	just be aware that by holding bitcoin reserves, you're exposed to currency risk :)	[20:33]
hotinbit	hello unclemantis +mircea_popescu errydayimgenerat Coolio-	[20:34]
rg	thats why we're gonna use bitpay	[20:34]
hotinbit	this is jaypetermm	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	hello hotinbit.	[20:34]
errydayimgenerat	what's up	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	+mircea_popescu errydayimgenerat Coolio- i got a plus he got a minus	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	and violets are bloo	[20:34]
bitcoinTrader	lol	[20:34]
rg	bit-pay will cost us like 18 BTC/mo	[20:34]
mod6	yowza.	[20:35]
hotinbit	now do eauth onmy nickname	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin that's right, just, service providers don't need to hold on to btc	[20:35]
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mircea_popescu	whereas miners can't really sell what they make next month.	[20:35]
btchero2	why can't you just have your addy a mtgox addy and put in a large sell order	[20:35]
hotinbit	i mean ident	[20:35]
btchero2	?	[20:35]
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Cory	rg: It might be worth it to buy options, then.	[20:35]
errydayimgenerat	i can be + too	[20:35]
rg	oh jesus	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	who do you mean btchero2 ?	[20:35]
rg	bitpay is expensive as hell too	[20:35]
rg	3%	[20:36]
btchero2	I mean if you are scared of btc changing in value, sell instantly	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	go cory go :D	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	well ya but then what if it goes the other way ?	[20:36]
copumpkin	reducing risk costs money! :)	[20:36]
Cory	I hedge with Bitcoinica, but that's probably dumb. :P	[20:36]
hotinbit	anyone looking for 2k moneypak or paypal.....................i am looking for BTC or LR	[20:36]
btchero2	you can't have it both ways	[20:36]
rg	we should just sell bitvps	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	should be fine if the btc doesn't move much cory :p	[20:36]
Cory	Yup.	[20:36]
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mircea_popescu	with options you can btchero2. that's the ideea	[20:37]
Cory	But any money I have there isn't making (much) interest. :P	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	pay a flat fee for one way insurance get the other way	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	put a bond in mpoe!!1	[20:37]
errydayimgenerat	hotinbit why can't you just use mtgox?	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	why should he ?	[20:37]
btchero2	he is trading mps that aren't his	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	1k limits and crap ?	[20:37]
errydayimgenerat	or tha volume?	[20:37]
btchero2	and also yeah why	[20:37]
errydayimgenerat	for*	[20:37]
errydayimgenerat	also unrated	[20:38]
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hotinbit	i am trading moneypak	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	where you from hotinbit ?	[20:38]
hotinbit	india	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	like, country	[20:38]
rg	so how do you have a moneypak?	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	o hey. how is it there ?	[20:38]
rg	india doesnt have moneypaks	[20:38]
errydayimgenerat	they have 7-11s in india	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	rg stop being racist :D	[20:38]
btchero2	he is getting them from someone esle	[20:38]
hotinbit	yes thats why i have to trade it	[20:38]
btchero2	a .onion site	[20:38]
hotinbit	becoz we sell viagra into USA	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	o srsly ?	[20:39]
rg	ok stop talking..	[20:39]
mod6	haha	[20:39]
rg	you're likely to get banned	[20:39]
hotinbit	& customers are apying us through moneypak	[20:39]
rg	if you continue	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	lmao this kicks ass, "o, there's no market for btc"	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	we own indian pharma doods!	[20:39]
mod6	+1	[20:39]
hotinbit	ohhh gr8	[20:39]
rg	i get all my counterfit viagra from India	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	;;ident hotinbit	[20:39]
gribble	Nick 'hotinbit', with hostmask 'hotinbit!7aa25a9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.162.90.154', is identified as user hotinbit, with GPG key id 2846AA7EFE80D18F, and key fingerprint 1AB3AA6A23FCB5455554CEED2846AA7EFE80D18F.	[20:39]
errydayimgenerat	black market viagra lol	[20:39]
btchero2	I have a raging boner for 4 hours, what to do	[20:39]
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errydayimgenerat	btchero2: call al ady	[20:40]
errydayimgenerat	a lady*	[20:40]
rg	btchero2: go to the hospital	[20:40]
rg	theyll drain it	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	that what they call a bordello now ?	[20:40]
rg	(seriously)	[20:40]
errydayimgenerat	like a cyst?	[20:40]
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mod6	i don't ever want someone to 'drain' my boner. ever.	[20:40]
rg	errydayimgenerat: yes, seriously	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	i mean borledlo	[20:40]
btchero2	I read a story on reddit that was about some guy getting his boner drained	[20:40]
rg	they release the pressure	[20:40]
btchero2	with needles	[20:40]
btchero2	ahhhhhh	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	i like some people draining my boner mod6...	[20:40]
errydayimgenerat	open the valve	[20:40]
mod6	ha, that sounds so bad.	[20:40]
rg	remember the conversation we had	[20:40]
rg	about no NSFW	[20:40]
rg	chat?	[20:40]
hotinbit	anyone looking for 2k moneypak or paypal.....................i am looking for BTC or LR	[20:41]
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rg	cause if i have to follow that rule	[20:41]
rg	you do too	[20:41]
mod6	well, other than the Right Way (Tm) mircea_popescu!	[20:41]
kakobrekla	do you also accept bitcoin directly for your pills hotinbit, just curious	[20:41]
errydayimgenerat	oh yeah	[20:42]
errydayimgenerat	#bitcoin-otc-nsfw	[20:42]
errydayimgenerat	for boner draining convos	[20:42]
hotinbit	no	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	she has a good point hotinbit, why do you not [also] sell for bitcoin ?	[20:42]
hotinbit	becoz moneypak is available easily everywhr in USA	[20:43]
hotinbit	but not BTC	[20:43]
hotinbit	easy for my customers to get	[20:43]
hotinbit	even if they are aged	[20:43]
errydayimgenerat	like a fine wine	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	a he has a good point, kiddos with btcs don't want viagra.	[20:43]
hotinbit	& easy for us to make them understand	[20:43]
errydayimgenerat	yeah	[20:43]
errydayimgenerat	they want methamphetamines	[20:44]
rg	id buy vaigra	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	oh hush you	[20:44]
rg	just cause its funny	[20:44]
errydayimgenerat	my buddy wanted to put viagra in someone's food	[20:44]
errydayimgenerat	or drink	[20:44]
rg	walk out into the living room.. sup guys? oh this? thats just my boner	[20:44]
btchero2	will viagra make you last longer?	[20:44]
errydayimgenerat	at a party	[20:44]
rg	btchero2: no	[20:44]
phraust	makes it easier to "reload"	[20:44]
rg	it just makes it easy to get a new boner	[20:44]
errydayimgenerat	what's wrong with the old boner?	[20:44]
btchero2	oh	[20:44]
rg	it 'went off'	[20:44]
rg	too early	[20:44]
hotinbit	1 BTC = 5.23 $	[20:45]
btchero2	im 25 no problems reloading	[20:45]
phraust	had an old boss that took like 8 of em, ended up with a 14 hour hard on.	[20:45]
errydayimgenerat	shoot off screen to reload	[20:45]
rg	it doesnt work if you put it in someones food	[20:45]
rg	there needs to be 'stimulation'	[20:45]
phraust	haha	[20:45]
hotinbit	hahaha	[20:45]
rg	what you really want is that all-day-long-all-day-strong kind	[20:45]
rg	i cant think of the name	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	cialis ?	[20:45]
errydayimgenerat	army strong	[20:46]
rg	yup	[20:46]
rg	thats it	[20:46]
hotinbit	cialis 100 MG	[20:46]
hotinbit	its good	[20:46]
btchero2	my unlce is always like, you know they make viagra and cialis together now	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[20:46]
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btchero2	can you get any	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	sell him some hotinbit	[20:46]
rg	there's a story in my bathroom reader about the rate of divorce / rate of viagra prescriptions	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	do they track ?	[20:46]
hotinbit	hahahaha	[20:46]
rg	viagra == causes divorce/cheating	[20:46]
rg	and STD's	[20:46]
errydayimgenerat	nice	[20:46]
errydayimgenerat	sexually transmitted divorces	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:47]
rg	ok lets steer off this conversation	[20:47]
rg	!	[20:47]
hotinbit	yes they can track on usps	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	hotinbit = track when i say about graphs means they move the same way.	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	like, alcohol consumption and sex track, ie, they go together.	[20:47]
btchero2	it is inverse for me	[20:47]
rg	im going to ask you guys a question	[20:47]
rg	a serious question	[20:48]
btchero2	haha	[20:48]
hotinbit	hahaha	[20:48]
hotinbit	rg what happened	[20:48]
rg	would you see BitVPS in lower social standing if we started accepting PayPal	[20:48]
rg	?	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't.	[20:48]
Cory	No.	[20:48]
btchero2	yes	[20:48]
btchero2	but i understand	[20:48]
phraust	hrm, not really. you are running a business.	[20:48]
rg	3 out of 4.. not bad	[20:48]
Cory	Many respectable businesses take Paypal.	[20:48]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I actually had an idea for margin accounts with daily settlements	[20:48]
btchero2	ppvps	[20:49]
phraust	i'd expect you to accept any payments you could.	[20:49]
Cory	I don't see a reason to restrict non-Bitcoin users from your services.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	but they have to be accts copumpkin. kyc. aml. etc.	[20:49]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: not necessarily :)	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	wellll... maybe i should hear about this then :)	[20:49]
btchero2	Like i said, I would totally understand. But it is a little dissapointing	[20:49]
rg	what would you view as less evil	[20:49]
rg	than paypal?	[20:49]
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mircea_popescu	bitcoin.	[20:49]
btchero2	nothing	[20:49]
rg	like amazon, google,	[20:50]
rg	moneybookers told us to fuck off	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	google checkout works	[20:50]
btchero2	anything other than bitcoin is the same to me	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	they suppoert btc anyway	[20:50]
rg	heres the thing about googlecheckout	[20:50]
Cory	I've never seen a business accept Amazon's thing.	[20:50]
btchero2	but I don't know why you would even listen to me, im not a customer	[20:50]
rg	their fee's are the same as paypal	[20:50]
rg	and paypal is more widely used	[20:50]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: let me write up a simple blurb so I can iron out issues before I make a fool of myself :P	[20:50]
Cory	But I like seeing Google's thing.	[20:50]
Cory	The more options the better, I think.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	making a fool of oneself in private is how great people are made cop :)	[20:50]
btchero2	Why don't you take them all	[20:51]
btchero2	if you are going to throw bitcoin under the bus might as well really open your options :)	[20:51]
bitcoinTrader	buying LR	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	y u so bitter btchero2	[20:52]
btchero2	I'm not	[20:52]
btchero2	I don't mean to sound like I am either	[20:52]
Cory	Accepting only Bitcoin and accepting Bitcoin as one of several options are pretty much on the same level for me.	[20:52]
btchero2	well it is like level 10 and level 9.5	[20:52]
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mircea_popescu	i'd say yea, 10 and 9.5	[20:53]
Cory	That would never be a deciding factor for me.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	but srsly, no point in us being assholes.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	why not accept things ?	[20:53]
btchero2	I would accept other stuff it was my business	[20:53]
hotinbit	anyone looking for 2k moneypak or paypal.....................i am looking for BTC or LR	[20:53]
btchero2	I just don't want you to :)	[20:53]
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hotinbit	1 BTC = 5.23 $	[20:54]
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muff1nman	Bid: 4.87999 \| Ask: 4.88 \| Last: 4.88	[20:55]
muff1nman	not so sure about that hotinbit	[20:56]
hotinbit	than try my service for small amt trust me you will be sure	[20:56]
hotinbit	for quality	[20:56]
muff1nman	i was just goin my mtgox	[20:57]
mod6	no, he's talking about the btc rate.	[20:57]
muff1nman	by*	[20:57]
hotinbit	like my previous clients	[20:57]
hotinbit	ok	[20:57]
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mod6	Last trade: 4.87999 {mtgox}	[20:57]
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rg	omg	[21:01]
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rg	since its snowing out	[21:01]
rg	the company under us is getting ready to plow	[21:01]
rg	my room just reaks like exhaust	[21:01]
rg	but I don't know why you would even listen to me, im not a customer	[21:01]
rg	thats why your input is valuable	[21:01]
rg	i dont care what current customers think:P	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[21:02]
btchero2	lol	[21:02]
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smickles	,,ticker	[21:05]
gribble	Best bid: 4.88377, Best ask: 4.88378, Bid-ask spread: 9.99999999962e-06, Last trade: 4.88378, 24 hour volume: 33727, 24 hour low: 4.75, 24 hour high: 4.9	[21:05]
rg	It is with heavy heart I announce that BitVPS will now accept PayPal to be able to compete in the Virtual Server market.	[21:05]
rg	something like that	[21:05]
rg	ill write something better	[21:05]
smickles	rg: it's te btc /option/ that's the important thing	[21:05]
rg	it'll still be default too	[21:06]
smickles	rg: also, will PP be more expensive?	[21:06]
rg	big time	[21:06]
rg	we'll lose like 0.80/account	[21:06]
rg	but we'll charge less for BTC	[21:06]
rg	more for paypal	[21:06]
rg	cause BTC is like a cash transaction	[21:06]
Cory	That's exactly how it should be done. :)	[21:07]
btchero2	isn't paypal basically too if you can prove you provided a legitimate service?	[21:07]
btchero2	and yeah, discount for btc saves face with me :)	[21:07]
Cory	Naturally, since Bitcoin doesn't really have payment processing fees. :D	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	0,0005 per	[21:10]
Cory	Or you can wait for a feeless pool to find a block.	[21:11]
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Cory	Or perhaps check for double spends.	[21:11]
bruzum	aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa	[21:11]
Cory	Does a double spend checker exist yet?	[21:11]
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pigeons	i don't know but you can look here http://blockchain.info/double-spends	[21:14]
BTCHero	are most doublespends accidental in nature somehow?	[21:15]
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pigeons	by defaults nodes won't forward doublespends, and your own client mostly won't either	[21:16]
BTCHero	so no?	[21:16]
Cory	Oh, wow, I'd never seen that. Awesome.	[21:16]
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copumpkin	mircea_popescu: maybe this is more complicated than it needs to be, and maybe it's too much work for MPOE, but who knows: http://pastie.org/private/zvlzflljotmx0zc1dyy0rw	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	what if there's no b ?	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	"considering market depth" < what do you base this on ? total bonds available ?	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	Now, every day or some predetermined period: << o this part is insanity.	[21:21]
copumpkin	:)	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	i wish to see the coder who can do this.	[21:21]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: you'd act as an exchange	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	we're unable to get a basic stock exchange going	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	conceptually, cop, it's not a bad thing, but practically i tell you i don't see it.	[21:22]
copumpkin	but I guess if we're trusting you not to lie about prices, we might trust you to just hold our coins and dish them out as needed :)	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	what if competitor X decides to open 999999 bogus transactions of 1 contract ?	[21:22]
copumpkin	perhaps the margin accounts would need to exist beforehand	[21:23]
copumpkin	they'd all be escrow accounts	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	and i check 999`999 accounts daily ?	[21:23]
copumpkin	so if you make a bid, you need to have money in your account to support it	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	for the profit of what ?	[21:23]
vragnaroda	rg: Not really; the temperature's in the 30s and 40s for the next couple days; a lot of rain.	[21:23]
rg	anyone here with a paypal account?	[21:23]
copumpkin	well, you'd obviously charge exchange fees :P	[21:23]
rg	i need to test this ordering	[21:24]
rg	on bitvps	[21:24]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: but yeah, it's horribly complicated	[21:24]
rg	(youll get it paid back)	[21:24]
rg	and ill give you .1 btc as a thanks	[21:24]
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mircea_popescu	copumpkin : i think reasonably the fees would be so high to make this unappealing.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	there's a great advantage to trust : it lowers costs.	[21:24]
copumpkin	well, most of this could be automated, so there'd be an upfront cost of implementing it	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	for instance you trusting your wife not ot poison your food (somethingshe easily could do)	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	saves you the daily lab fees.	[21:24]
copumpkin	yeah, sure	[21:24]
copumpkin	trust can also mean lower maintenance requirements, of course	[21:24]
copumpkin	taking it far enough, you'd have no maintenance requirements	[21:25]
copumpkin	which would make most of this unnecessary	[21:25]
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copumpkin	:P	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	i might conceivably allow people to sell covered calls/puts	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	problem being they'd have to send me more than 1 btc per 1 btc contract	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	which i think is kind of weird.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	not to mention i can't really have those btc-delivered	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	it's a mess i tell you.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	otherwise i'd have done it by now.	[21:27]
copumpkin	I think it's a fun problem to think about, regardless :)	[21:27]
rg	NOTICE: .1 BTC BOUNTY: Help BitVPS test PayPal Ordering.	[21:27]
rg	oops	[21:27]
copumpkin	it gets a lot easier if you just accept people's coins	[21:27]
rg	i forked that up	[21:27]
copumpkin	but then you're liable for a hell of a lot of money	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	me ? not really, how do you reason ?	[21:28]
rg	god how much money do you want to help me test this	[21:28]
rg	?	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	got a firstborn rg ?	[21:29]
copumpkin	no, I mean if you do accept people coins and hold them in margin accounts in your own wallets	[21:29]
copumpkin	you could get hacked, lose the coins, etc.	[21:29]
copumpkin	it gets a lot scarier	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	eh right.	[21:29]
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mircea_popescu	no but look, you want to sell a Call @5.0. you send me 1 btc and you sell the call, netting you some... fraction of a btc.	[21:29]
copumpkin	which is part of the reason I've never really been interested in starting an exchange or any kind of bitcoin financial service website	[21:29]
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copumpkin	because I really don't want to hold people's money, in case something goes wrong	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	at the end of the month you get back your btc + the fraction.	[21:29]
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mircea_popescu	this is to you basically an interest fee.	[21:30]
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mircea_popescu	if the option gets exercised/sold you get returned a fraction of your btc	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	the thing absolutely works like the bonds,	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	except targeted to a contract.	[21:30]
copumpkin	yeah	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	so basically in a sense I AM ALREADY offering ppl shorts	[21:30]
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mircea_popescu	except global shorts and only on actual contracts taken out.	[21:31]
copumpkin	yeah, which isn't necessarily what people want :)	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	now, to allow the refinement you propose i'd have to really go deep into math	[21:31]
copumpkin	yeah, I might try to refine the idea a bit more, later, just as a thought experiment	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	its not a bad thing to think about, actually.	[21:31]
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mircea_popescu	really since i started this a whole host of very deep financial problems got exposed.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	im kinda fascinated.	[21:32]
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copumpkin	designing minimal-trust/risk financial systems on top of bitcoin is lots of fun :P	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	it is.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	i think the satoshi guy had a lot of fun coming up wit this shit	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	its like the riddle that keeps on giving	[21:33]
Cory	You mean Google. :P	[21:33]
copumpkin	yeah	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	hm cory ?	[21:33]
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Cory	Eric Schmidt recently mentioned Bitcoin.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	where ?	[21:34]
copumpkin	now we just need a whole bunch of people building secure (derivative) exchanges on top of the protocol	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	yeah. actually a lot can be built. some things i had people inquire with me about :	[21:34]
Cory	mircea_popescu: http://live.theverge.com/Event/Eric_Schmidt_keynote_at_MWC_2012?Page=2	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	a straight listing to glbse ; a loan with btc collateral secured against my options ; a hardened etf style thing using my bonds/options to offset miners risk	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	and the list goes on and on	[21:35]
rg	wait	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	danke cory	[21:35]
rg	copumpkin is doing smething?	[21:35]
rg	how do i get involved copumpkin?	[21:35]
copumpkin	eww, no, I never do anything	[21:35]
rg	copumpkin = smart, golden ticket	[21:35]
copumpkin	I try to stay as still as possible	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	lol he is smart but kinda fraidycat :D	[21:36]
copumpkin	oh yeah, I'm a coward	[21:36]
copumpkin	I don't mind risking my money but I don't want to be liable for other people's losses	[21:36]
rg	theres a difference between cautious and coward	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	you're almost british.	[21:36]
rg	HEY EASY ON THE B word	[21:36]
copumpkin	I am actually british!	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:37]
rg	copumpkin and i are british brotheren	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	too much responsibility going on in those islands.	[21:37]
rg	copumpkin: god save the queen	[21:37]
copumpkin	:)	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	7:36 pm Q: If it comes to real democracy, payment has to be peer-to-peer. Would you like to know about my technology called FairCash?	[21:38]
grubles	copumpkin is a british pumpkin?	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	7:37 pm A: Are you familiar with BitCoin?	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	Ahahaha TOTALLY OWNED	[21:38]
bitcoinTrader1	any1 selling LR for mtgox usd/paypal	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	bitcointrader1 : there was a guy earlier doing the reverse for mp.	[21:38]
bitcoinTrader1	hmm	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	hotinbit	[21:39]
jcpham	what yallz saving queenz forz	[21:39]
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mircea_popescu	We had our own proposal called Google Bucks, but we didn't want to get into these issues. Most of these systems will have reguatory	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	issues.	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	they did ?!	[21:40]
Cory	Yeah, they didn't want to have to deal with the legal issues so they renamed it and set it free. ;)	[21:40]
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btchero2	anyone buying bitcoins overmarket for mp? :)	[21:46]
phraust	how much over market?	[21:47]
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btchero2	ummm @ 5	[21:52]
btchero2	not much	[21:52]
btchero2	over	[21:53]
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bitcoinTrader1	no 1 selling LR?	[21:53]
btchero2	no, LR seems to be getting more popular in here and hard to get. I should start stocking up on it when i can	[21:54]
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rg	ok	[21:55]
rg	bitvps offially accepts paypal now	[21:55]
rg	eesk	[21:55]
*	phraust shakes his fists at an uncaring sky.	[21:55]
phraust	wrryyyyy!	[21:56]
rg	khan!!!!!!!!!!	[21:56]
rawrmage	rg: http://images.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw1184_1321544797271005.png	[21:57]
btchero2	but.... your business has bit in the title. paypal is going to run away with your monies for supporting bitcoin	[21:58]
btchero2	and say thanks for the cash bro	[21:58]
btchero2	please file a complaint with our fuck you in the ass department	[21:58]
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copumpkin	rg: did you see my post on your thread?	[22:00]
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btchero2	phraust, were you interested in trading?	[22:01]
phraust	no thanks.	[22:01]
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btchero2	ok	[22:01]
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btchero2	actually I will do a very small mp at market rate. like 50 or so if you have that	[22:02]
unclemantis	so what do you think this weekend's predictions are? spike, dip or about the same?	[22:03]
rg	yes	[22:04]
rg	copumpkin: we have no capital anymore	[22:04]
rg	the loan is done	[22:04]
phraust	no thanks. looking for larger trades.	[22:04]
rg	we cant do it	[22:04]
copumpkin	no capital anymore?	[22:04]
btchero2	ok	[22:04]
rg	we had to cash out our 150btc savings	[22:04]
rg	to pay the bills	[22:04]
copumpkin	you guys can still get a loan	[22:04]
rg	i dont feel comfortable taking it now	[22:04]
copumpkin	you have a business with paying customers	[22:04]
rg	that money was supposed to never be touched	[22:05]
rg	and its been touched	[22:05]
rg	(thats not good)	[22:05]
unclemantis	you should NOT have access to your long term savings	[22:05]
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rg	unclemantis, i really dont wanna fucking hear it	[22:06]
rg	especially not from you	[22:06]
rg	so save it	[22:06]
unclemantis	i know you don't	[22:06]
rg	anything you want to say, just write it on a piece of paper and drop it in the nearest garbage bin	[22:06]
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rg	that'll makes ure it gets to me ASAP	[22:06]
unclemantis	i have been in your boat before so I wanted to give you my sympathies and understanding	[22:06]
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rg	what boat?	[22:07]
rg	we're not going out of business and we have money	[22:07]
unclemantis	cashing out bitcoin early	[22:07]
copumpkin	rg: it's a sound loan for business investment, still. You'd be reducing your longer-term costs and making it possible to get more customers. I'd make it clear up-front that it's a bit riskier, but lenders know there's always a risk	[22:07]
btchero2	you make 12 dollars you put 7 away live off the 5 and never ever fuck with your safe	[22:07]
btchero2	?	[22:07]
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btchero2	words of wisdom from scarface	[22:07]
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copumpkin	rg: anyway, it's up to you obviously. But I don't think you should give up on it just yet. Just tell people the risks, maybe raise the interest you're willing to pay a bit, and go ahead anyway and see if anyone bites	[22:08]
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phraust	;;seen dbordello	[22:09]
gribble	dbordello was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 14 hours, 37 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: danieldaniel, i need 4 of them :)	[22:09]
rg	well theres those two dudes	[22:09]
rg	but they both wanna invest	[22:09]
rg	and i dont know how to do that =/	[22:09]
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jcpham	i keep my saving in my matress	[22:09]
rg	i dont trust banks either	[22:10]
copumpkin	rg: decide on what you consider a fair price for a piece of the company (how much do you think the total company, including its future, taking risk into account, is worth right now?), and then sell them a few percent for 1% each and give them dividends later	[22:10]
btchero2	do you have collateral?	[22:10]
copumpkin	ugh, not 1% each, that doesn't make sense	[22:10]
btchero2	maybe you can just offer up collateral and make lenders less scared	[22:10]
EasyAt	I keep my savings in bullets and seed stores	[22:10]
copumpkin	I meant $1000 each	[22:10]
rg	its really hard to get a net worth	[22:10]
copumpkin	I know	[22:10]
rg	cause of fluctuating bitcoin rates	[22:10]
copumpkin	I've just been discussin that with mircea_popescu's hot woman	[22:11]
rg	we take in roughly 200 BTC a month	[22:12]
rg	plus our USD clients	[22:12]
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rg	which is another $600	[22:13]
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rg	and our cost is only like $800/mo	[22:13]
btchero2	thats pretty good roi	[22:13]
btchero2	not counting time of course	[22:13]
rg	we do alright	[22:14]
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Staatsfeind	15:05 < unclemantis> \| you should NOT have access to your long term savings ← Savings exist for a reason other than just looking pretty in a ledger.	[22:16]
copumpkin	rg: you could just pull a number out of your ass and say they get 5% each for $1000	[22:16]
copumpkin	:)	[22:17]
rg	yeah the owner of the company shouldnt have access to their long term savings	[22:17]
rg	pff	[22:17]
mcorlett	Do we have any typewriters doing work for bitcoins?	[22:17]
Staatsfeind	Typewriters are machines; they don't need payment.	[22:17]
Staatsfeind	Do you mean typists?	[22:17]
jcpham	can we make the typewriters mine	[22:18]
copumpkin	rg: you could even issue them preferred shares, meaning they get priority in liquidation if shit goes wrong, so if you shut down and sold the servers you're gonna buy, they'd get a percentage of the proceeds of that	[22:18]
rg	well, im about to save the company $150	[22:18]
rg	depending on how much of an asshole the ISP wants to be	[22:18]
btchero2	is there a function for finding out time in india through gribble or markac	[22:18]
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mcorlett	Staatsfeind: No, I meant a typewriter injected with artificial intelligence with a slot for bitcoins on the side.	[22:18]
btchero2	where is that indian mp dude?	[22:18]
rg	if i can get them to not be pricks, we wont be in the red	[22:18]
rg	we wont even really need our nest egg anymore	[22:18]
Staatsfeind	btchero2: .t but I don't know the TZs in India.	[22:19]
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Staatsfeind	.t IST	[22:19]
markac	Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:49:47 IST	[22:19]
btchero2	IST?	[22:19]
Staatsfeind	btchero2: That's probably it.	[22:20]
Staatsfeind	Indian Standard Time	[22:20]
btchero2	ok thanks	[22:20]
Staatsfeind	UTC+05:30	[22:20]
mcorlett	Staatsfeind: "type·writ·er/ˈtīpˌrītər/ [...] Synonyms: typist"	[22:20]
Staatsfeind	No.	[22:20]
mcorlett	I'll take Google's word over yours, thank you very much.	[22:20]
Staatsfeind	Google doesn't make specific claims.	[22:21]
btchero2	Ok, I need a small moneypak right away. Will take 50 usd worth @ 4.80 per coin. I can use partial mp and I am fairly well trusted	[22:21]
Staatsfeind	You may as well say you're taking God's word.	[22:21]
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mcorlett	Staatsfeind: Where is there a need for specificity?	[22:22]
nicksw_	!view	[22:23]
btchero2	Paypal told me they were sending me a debit card like 2 weeks ago	[22:23]
Staatsfeind	mcorlett: Are you smoking crack?	[22:23]
btchero2	wtf takes them so long	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	rg y u so sore ?	[22:23]
Staatsfeind	I'm pretty sure you're smoking crack.	[22:23]
rg	mircea_popescu: cause i dont like when things go bad with my company	[22:23]
rg	and ontop of that	[22:23]
rg	im realizing i over-reacted	[22:23]
rg	things arent nearly as bad as i thought	[22:23]
mcorlett	Staatsfeind: I'd love to. Here's a Dictionary.com link: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/typewriter	[22:23]
rg	so had i just chilled and thought about it	[22:23]
nicksw_	!view	[22:24]
Staatsfeind	You'd love to what? Smoke crack?	[22:24]
grubles	lol	[22:24]
Staatsfeind	We don't need to know that.	[22:24]
rg	everyone loves to smoke crack	[22:24]
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rg	dont be facetious	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	EasyAT And chickens ?	[22:24]
rg	9 of 10 people love smoking crack	[22:24]
mcorlett	It isn't relevant. Go read the definition.	[22:24]
Staatsfeind	Also, your link generated by ESL for ESL students is irrelevant.	[22:24]
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mircea_popescu	can we make the typewriters mine << one million monkeys...	[22:25]
grubles	i dont think it;s physically possible to /not/ like smoking crack	[22:25]
btchero2	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ5kJ2BZaXQ	[22:25]
rawrmage	i'd think everyone would find the dopamine generated by smoking crack pleasurable in some way	[22:25]
btchero2	that guy likes smoking crack	[22:25]
grubles	yeah what rawrmage said	[22:25]
Saiga12	Anyone interested in a pelco is90 surveillance camera for cheap via btc?	[22:25]
ageis	i don't like the feeling after you run out of crack	[22:25]
grubles	lol	[22:26]
btchero2	the dick in your throat feeling?	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	rg its always how it works.	[22:26]
Staatsfeind	grubles: I lack the direct experience to say whether or not I would. I think I'd dread it, though.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	Also, your link generated by ESL for ESL students is irrelevant. << evil.	[22:26]
Saiga12	Ones way to many and a million is never enough	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	half the interwebz would go away	[22:26]
*	mircea_popescu doesn't like smoking crack.	[22:27]
Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: I didn't say it wasn't useful for some purpose. I said it's not relevant to this discussion.	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	i think esl students are ill equipped to make that distinction.	[22:27]
btchero2	also, what kind of idiot puts a video on youtube of them smoking crack	[22:27]
grubles	Staatsfeind: same here but i may or may not have done something similar to it	[22:27]
mcorlett	Staatsfeind: What is your favorite source of information?	[22:27]
btchero2	wtf is the point	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	luke-hr.	[22:27]
rawrmage	grubles: lol	[22:28]
Saiga12	;;seen nasdaqenema	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	btchero2 i think they might have not been thinking too straight ? being under the influence and all ?	[22:28]
Staatsfeind	I don't have a “favorite source of information.”	[22:28]
rg	grubles	[22:28]
mcorlett	Staatsfeind: Also, are you saying that definition is incorrect?	[22:28]
rg	lets spend the bitvps wallet on crack	[22:28]
grubles	haha	[22:28]
btchero2	rg im selling crack	[22:28]
Staatsfeind	That would be a counterproductive, stupid, evil, antiscientific circle jerk.	[22:28]
grubles	and hookers	[22:28]
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btchero2	might be mostly soap though	[22:28]
rg	well	[22:28]
rg	black hookers	[22:28]
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grubles	someone tried to scam me on facebook again	[22:28]
grubles	er not again	[22:29]
grubles	wtf	[22:29]
rg	grubles: how so?	[22:29]
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unclemantis	Crazy question. Does one need to be physicialy present to open a savings account at the Bank of China? I am a US citizen.	[22:29]
danieldaniel	I got 2 raspberry pi's :D	[22:29]
grubles	rg: this girl added me that i thought for sure was someone i knew irl	[22:29]
unclemantis	danieldaniel what the hell!?	[22:29]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: Do not pluralize with apostrophes.	[22:29]
grubles	rg: and she just started randomly chatting me up one day	[22:29]
unclemantis	danieldaniel how did you get them!? They are not taking orders yet!	[22:29]
gmaxwell	danieldaniel: auction them off for bitcoin	[22:29]
danieldaniel	unclemantis: ummm	[22:29]
rawrmage	unclemantis: check their site	[22:29]
grubles	rg: then shes like 'want a camshow?'	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:29]
danieldaniel	gmaxwell: They started this morning	[22:29]
unclemantis	wtf	[22:29]
rawrmage	i wantttttt	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	happens to me all the time grubbles	[22:29]
unclemantis	i checked this morning	[22:29]
danieldaniel	And the website's crashed for 5 hrs	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	thing is i do know them irl.	[22:29]
gmaxwell	danieldaniel: I'm aware.	[22:29]
EasyAt	Anyone looking to trade BTC for PP?	[22:30]
danieldaniel	gmaxwell: i'm telling unclemantis	[22:30]
grubles	rg: so naturally i said yes, but only if it was free	[22:30]
btchero2	eww i got kicked and come back and it is all danieldaniely up in here	[22:30]
unclemantis	so much for emailing people when they where going to start selling!	[22:30]
danieldaniel	Oh yeah, but the delivery date is 16/04/2012	[22:30]
rawrmage	lol	[22:30]
gmaxwell	Personally I'm not excited— that SOC is basically the most propritary system ever built. It needs a 18MB binary blob or something like that just to boot.	[22:30]
grubles	rg: so then she tells me to go to fuckmymelons.com and put my credit card in	[22:30]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: I don't know what you got them for, but if I were you, I would probably auction them off (for bitcoin or USD, I'm not sure, but auction them for sure).	[22:30]
rawrmage	^	[22:30]
danieldaniel	Staatsfeind: I want one, the other: sure	[22:30]
danieldaniel	But they might cancel one	[22:30]
btchero2	what are you selling?	[22:30]
unclemantis	danieldaniel i went to both of the sites and they where not availble for sale	[22:30]
gmaxwell	The SOC is really a propritary vector processor 'gpu', with a little arm processor bolted on the side.	[22:31]
danieldaniel	btchero2: raspberry pi	[22:31]
Saiga12	Anyone interested in a dell optiplex 760 desktop pc with intel core2 duo 4gb ram no hd? For cheap btc	[22:31]
*	mircea_popescu wonders how many times people will fall for dd's trollery	[22:31]
rawrmage	raspberry pi bitcoin mining? ^_^	[22:31]
danieldaniel	unclemantis: out of stock by now LOL	[22:31]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: lmao	[22:31]
unclemantis	well that is just not right	[22:31]
btchero2	oh, i when i saw that i thought someone left off the e	[22:31]
btchero2	must be a phone	[22:31]
Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: dd?	[22:31]
unclemantis	http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi	[22:31]
nicksw_	test	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	danielsquared	[22:31]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind: i think dan²	[22:31]
nicksw_	q	[22:31]
jcpham	errybody already drooling over the raspberries	[22:31]
danieldaniel	WHAT THE HELL	[22:31]
unclemantis	it says "Register your interest"	[22:31]
Staatsfeind	Why abbreviate it that way, though?	[22:31]
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mircea_popescu	to be different ?	[22:31]
danieldaniel	I bought a third one apparetly	[22:31]
danieldaniel	apparently*	[22:32]
unclemantis	i have a legitimate use for them	[22:32]
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btchero2	oh it isn't a phone	[22:32]
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mircea_popescu	what are these raspberry things anyway ?	[22:32]
jcpham	Saiga12, I'm currently type-chatting on a optiplex 760	[22:32]
Staatsfeind	.wik raspberry pi	[22:32]
Cory	danieldaniel: Where did you order from?	[22:32]
markac	"The Raspberry Pi is a single-board computer developed in the UK by the Raspberry Pi Foundation." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_pi	[22:32]
danieldaniel	Cory: farnell	[22:32]
danieldaniel	Im getting like 965044979054 confirmations	[22:33]
danieldaniel	oh crap	[22:33]
Cory	They don't have US site.	[22:33]
danieldaniel	Yeah they do	[22:33]
danieldaniel	"Export"	[22:33]
Saiga12	Jcpham: want another one?	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	so basically a beefed up Z80. whats' the big deal ?	[22:33]
Cory	Are you sure you ordered, danieldaniel?	[22:33]
danieldaniel	I got 3 confirms	[22:33]
danieldaniel	yeah	[22:33]
Cory	You entered a credit card number?	[22:34]
btchero2	his mothers	[22:34]
danieldaniel	Cory: debit	[22:34]
btchero2	credit is reserved for those over the age of 18	[22:34]
Staatsfeind	I don't see how it can be really compared with the Z80. :/	[22:34]
danieldaniel	But crap	[22:34]
Staatsfeind	btchero2: Not true. I had a credit card at 16.	[22:34]
Cory	danieldaniel: If they actually deliver I'll take one off your hands. :P	[22:34]
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ineededausername	hello everyone	[22:35]
ahbritto	I had mine at 12.	[22:35]
danieldaniel	Cory: )	[22:35]
danieldaniel	:)	[22:35]
copumpkin	omg he needed a username	[22:35]
btchero2	Staatsfeind, with your parents cosignature?	[22:35]
imsaguy2	I need a confirm	[22:35]
Staatsfeind	ahbritto: Perhaps, but I'm not saying that to troll.	[22:35]
imsaguy2	someone give me one	[22:35]
btchero2	is that correct usage of the word?	[22:35]
*	mircea_popescu hands over username	[22:35]
errydayimgenerat	danieldaniel: you bought from that british site, right?	[22:35]
Staatsfeind	btchero2: With a cosignature, yes.	[22:35]
ineededausername	copumpkin: time to steal yours	[22:35]
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danieldaniel	errydayimgenerat: no, export	[22:35]
danieldaniel	Wtf	[22:35]
btchero2	he saved his allowance for weeks to get that	[22:35]
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danieldaniel	Now its only showing 2 in my account	[22:35]
errydayimgenerat	the one you linked from last night?	[22:35]
danieldaniel	no	[22:35]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[22:35]
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danieldaniel	btchero2: Just shut the fuck up, its getting fucking old an annoying	[22:36]
errydayimgenerat	cause the one page you sauid you bought off of	[22:36]
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errydayimgenerat	the price was listed in gbp	[22:36]
danieldaniel	errydayimgenerat: that one ended up not working	[22:36]
danieldaniel	it didn't load	[22:36]
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Staatsfeind	DBrodello: wtf	[22:36]
errydayimgenerat	which meant 43$/unit	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	there needs to be moar textlines plox	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	it scrolls too slow for my eyesockets	[22:36]
DBrodello	Staatsfeind: ?	[22:36]
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copumpkin	mircea_popescu: were you old enough to have an opinion on Ceausescu while he was around?	[22:37]
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mircea_popescu	Hey, is it the Rassperpi By ?	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	yes copumpkin	[22:37]
Staatsfeind	ineededausername: Authenticate and quit nicking.	[22:37]
ineededausername	ok, lol	[22:37]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: what'd you think?	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	that he sucked ?	[22:37]
ineededausername	;;auth ineededausername	[22:37]
danieldaniel	;;ident	[22:37]
gribble	You are identified as user danieldaniel, with GPG key id C5D21E9BDCAE3594, and key fingerprint 4761C0C9EA65B824459AF736C5D21E9BDCAE3594.	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	everyone thought he sucked.	[22:37]
Saiga12	Come on nobdy wants a dell optiplex cpu with intel core2 duo 4gbRAM dvd r/rw no hd or OS for only 16btc shipping to cont. USA INCLUDED?!?	[22:37]
lyspooner	mircea_popescu: i looked at your options website, and i had a few questions	[22:37]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: okay :)	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	shoot lyspooner	[22:38]
lyspooner	are you the sole market-maker?	[22:38]
joecool	sagia12: no	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	yea.	[22:38]
joecool	or Saiga12: no	[22:38]
lyspooner	is there any way to leave a midmarket order	[22:38]
errydayimgenerat	;;ident	[22:38]
lyspooner	or do i have to act on the markets you make	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	not really, no	[22:38]
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mircea_popescu	well, if you find someone willing to counterparty you you can	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	but with me no	[22:39]
Saiga12	Joecool: u get to answer for everyone?	[22:39]
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gribble	You are identified as user errydayimgenerat, with GPG key id C7C3F3750594495A, and key fingerprint 7A60083422FB48F3B4F681FEC7C3F3750594495A.	[22:39]
lyspooner	so this isn't a project to become an options exchange?	[22:39]
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copumpkin	it's an emporium!	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	it might get there yet.	[22:39]
ineededausername	wow, gribble was slow just then	[22:39]
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btchero2	does anyone have a case that will fit my atx motherboard and 2 5970's for very cheap?	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	there's a lot of difficulties involved in making it an actual market	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	which we been discussing for days	[22:39]
lyspooner	for one, why should we trust that you pay us?	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	let me get you a link	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/sa-ne-jucam-de-a-investitiile-n-bitcoini/#comment-78745 have a read, there's a lot of details there.	[22:40]
copumpkin	or the forum thread that links to that	[22:40]
copumpkin	and has additional discussion :)	[22:40]
danieldaniel	Bbl guys	[22:41]
Saiga12	Btc hero i might no PS though	[22:41]
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mircea_popescu	yea, this might also interest https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64962	[22:41]
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ineededausername	mircea_popescu: how many investors so far	[22:41]
btchero2	I don't need a ps	[22:41]
ineededausername	did the ipo end	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	1 bond like 6-7 stocks	[22:41]
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btchero2	just a case	[22:41]
ineededausername	oh	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	it ends tomorrow night.	[22:41]
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btchero2	my miner is just sitting there on a table	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	you can look at the address you know dborledo	[22:41]
Saiga12	Btchero2 when i get home ill let u know	[22:42]
btchero2	ok, pm btchero with the info I probably won't be around	[22:42]
ineededausername	lol, another person misspells dbordello	[22:43]
ineededausername	i don't get why it's so hard :P	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	don't call me a person	[22:43]
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btchero2	hey, I just got an idea that i want to know if it would work	[22:44]
jcpham	no	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	lets hear eh ?	[22:44]
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btchero2	people have autoenforce set on their accounts and if you don't give the password it locks you out for a while	[22:44]
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btchero2	can you just keep changing your nick to someone elses and effectively block them from using it	[22:44]
btchero2	if they have autoenforce	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	it locks YOU	[22:45]
btchero2	your ip?	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	your divine soul	[22:45]
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btchero2	oh and because we don't have the same divine soul it wont work	[22:46]
btchero2	ok got it	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	;)	[22:46]
Staatsfeind	> divine	[22:46]
Staatsfeind	> soul	[22:46]
Staatsfeind	wut	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	shh	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	this is tech stuff you wou;dn't understand.	[22:46]
ineededausername	lol	[22:46]
Staatsfeind	#eligius is that way →	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[22:46]
ineededausername	haha	[22:46]
ineededausername	i went there and i'm never going there again	[22:46]
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Staatsfeind	I think ##religion should just forward to #eligius	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	i never went, how is it ?	[22:46]
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Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: All trolls ;)	[22:47]
ineededausername	lol yeah	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	o, so like here, except with trading btc	[22:47]
ineededausername	except luke-jr is only partially trolling and actually believes some shit	[22:47]
btchero2	I used to mine for eligius and sat in that channel alot. It was tiring	[22:47]
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Staatsfeind	I haven't seen any trading there, but they do talk once in a while about mining.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	do they call DIvine Light to guide their hashing ?	[22:47]
btchero2	someone comes in every few minutes to bash luke and his beliefs	[22:47]
rg	i need to sell this server	[22:47]
rg	who wants a deal?	[22:47]
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mircea_popescu	rg srsly, you're impulsive	[22:48]
btchero2	and he always responds	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	drink some water, simmer down.	[22:48]
ineededausername	mircea_popescu: yeah they put prayers in the blockchain	[22:48]
Staatsfeind	rg: I think Saiga12 might be interested. :þ	[22:48]
rg	mircea_popescu: ive been trying to sell this one server for like 3 weeks now	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	no fucking way ?!	[22:48]
ineededausername	lol	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	a ok sorry. thought you came up with it on the spot.	[22:48]
rg	myofb	[22:48]
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Staatsfeind	ineededausername: That doesn't really have anything to do with what goes on in the channel.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	maybe somebody should put antiprayers in the blocks just to piss them off	[22:49]
btchero2	you know what the funniest thing luke did though? kill coiledcoin	[22:49]
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btchero2	that was pretty cool	[22:49]
Staatsfeind	lol, that was cool	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	whats coiledcoin	[22:49]
btchero2	nothing now	[22:49]
btchero2	lol	[22:49]
ineededausername	lol	[22:49]
Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: Just another fork.	[22:49]
BorGor	selling 600 ppusd	[22:50]
ineededausername	i was hoping to ponzi that one	[22:50]
rg	FOR RENT: One dual quad dedicated server, 8GB Ram, 10TB bandwidth, 500GB HD, Second month FREE. No fees, no nothing. Free.	[22:50]
ineededausername	:P	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	aha k	[22:50]
silvercoin	;;eauth	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	which was the one fork which was going to overtake btc	[22:50]
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mircea_popescu	but then i never heard of it anymore ?	[22:50]
Cory	SolidCoin maybe.	[22:51]
Cory	I don't know if the others have came out as attempts to replace Bitcoin.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	a a yea solidcoin	[22:51]
ineededausername	lol, solidcoin	[22:51]
Saiga12	Rg server details?	[22:51]
ineededausername	they were going to have $1 a solidcoin	[22:51]
ineededausername	but coinhunter is bad at manipulation	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	why does an umbrella represent privacy ?	[22:52]
Staatsfeind	solidcoin 1 is long dead.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	it should represent dlobreddo	[22:52]
ineededausername	lol	[22:52]
Staatsfeind	When I talk about BarnumCoin, though, I'm talking about it and later iterations of it.	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[22:53]
ineededausername	solidcoin 1 was an amazing ponzi though... went up to 30 bitcents per coin	[22:53]
ineededausername	*3 bitcents	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	*.0003	[22:53]
ineededausername	no, it really did go that high	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	srsly ?	[22:53]
ineededausername	yeah in august	[22:53]
rg	Saiga12: you realize its for rent right	[22:53]
rg	you wont get the physical server	[22:54]
ineededausername	then everyone realized it was a scam and left	[22:54]
rg	its hosted in a datacenter	[22:54]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66630.msg773489 ← wtf	[22:54]
rg	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66782.0	[22:54]
rg	thats the forum link to it	[22:54]
rg	its got all the details	[22:54]
Saiga12	Oh so people just rent things without specifics?	[22:54]
rg	?	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	um	[22:55]
Saiga12	Im sliw u got your message out first	[22:55]
rg	are you on a cellphone or something?	[22:55]
jurov	and today litecoin ran into situation too	[22:55]
phraust	oh?	[22:55]
phraust	what happened with litecoin?	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	what situation ?	[22:56]
BTCHero	yes please tell	[22:56]
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BTCHero	i have a couple of them	[22:56]
jurov	gpu miner was released, circa 20x more hasshes/watt	[22:56]
Saiga12	Yes im on my droid x2 im at work	[22:57]
Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: I think you'll like this: http://pastebin.com/Q0DC7BVc	[22:57]
lyspooner	mircea_popescu: where did february's financing rate clear? 1.9% 2%?	[22:57]
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jurov	http://solidcoin.info/reaper.html	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	lyspooner february is here : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/mpoe-rezultate-februarie-2012/	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	jesus staatsfeind that reminds me of highschool!	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	and there's no wind ?	[22:58]
BTCHero	interesting litecoin development there	[22:59]
BTCHero	guess it wasn't all it was cracked up to be	[22:59]
BTCHero	which was just a bitcoin knockoff that couldn't use gpus	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	was lite supposed to be cpu only ?	[23:00]
BTCHero	yeah	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	mkay.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	apparently there's no software solutions for hardware problems	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	whodda thunk it.	[23:00]
BTCHero	Selling ~50USD worth of btc for moneypak @ market rate	[23:01]
BTCHero	More for over market	[23:01]
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ineededausername	oh wow, the litecoin gpu thing was true	[23:04]
helo	what thing?	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	so it's kinda gone now ?	[23:05]
jurov	not necessarily gone... maybe it will find another niche	[23:05]
BTCHero	I doubt it	[23:06]
BTCHero	I will keep my 350 coins though since they aren't worth shit anyway	[23:06]
helo	i will buy them for .5 btc	[23:06]
helo	heh jk	[23:06]
copumpkin	BTCHero: how high did you buy them?	[23:06]
BTCHero	i mined them	[23:06]
jcpham	i find it interesting they named the software reaper	[23:07]
BTCHero	so higher than they cost	[23:07]
copumpkin	oh	[23:07]
jcpham	naming the software reaper makes it difficult to misjudge the intentions	[23:07]
unclemantis	BTCHero you have 350 litecoins?	[23:07]
jcpham	especially on block chains that are "designed" to be gpu resistant	[23:07]
helo	you reap great benefits	[23:07]
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jcpham	it's basically attack software	[23:08]
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unclemantis	BTCHero feel free LKe7dgNsGhNDgTJiGoiAt5z5uxhDHmjdzk	[23:08]
jcpham	so it's sc attack software for other blockchains	[23:08]
jcpham	is what it is	[23:08]
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rawrmage	lol solidcoin!	[23:08]
ineededausername	i sold 2300 litecoins for 0.01 btc each back in the early days of litecoin :P	[23:09]
ineededausername	it was great	[23:09]
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jcpham	jeez why does sc still keep hanging around	[23:09]
helo	because it is awesome?	[23:10]
jcpham	you must be new here	[23:10]
Staatsfeind	I think you're giving BarnumCoin's proponents too much credit if you think they're behind this thing with LTC.	[23:10]
Staatsfeind	helo: lolwut	[23:10]
jcpham	i'm not actually giving them credit	[23:10]
rawrmage	.t aest	[23:10]
markac	Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:10:35 AEST	[23:10]
rawrmage	thanks, markac	[23:10]
jurov	anyone buys 1000 ltc?	[23:10]
jcpham	i'm saying when developers of x blockchain make software for y blockchain	[23:10]
Staatsfeind	Yes, that would be giving them credit.	[23:11]
jcpham	i wish i could meet you Staatsfeind and hug you	[23:11]
rawrmage	lol wat	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	i find it interesting they named the software reaper ++	[23:11]
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mircea_popescu	lmao	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	jcpham should do stand-up	[23:12]
Staatsfeind	I thought the point of litecoin was a challenge to GPU mine it, anyway.	[23:12]
rawrmage	jcpham is all http://images.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw817_1316910660458704.jpg	[23:12]
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jcpham	bro hoof	[23:13]
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rg	hm	[23:20]
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rg	looks like the snow is wussing out	[23:20]
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mircea_popescu	we got an inch over here	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	was melted by the afternoon	[23:21]
NASDAQEnema	ok that's it	[23:21]
rg	whats nwrong nqe	[23:22]
Staatsfeind	We've got a little bit of snow but it's mostly slush now.	[23:22]
Staatsfeind	The low for tonight is 35°.	[23:22]
NASDAQEnema	I'm going to study the bitcoin code and litecoin code	[23:22]
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NASDAQEnema	and blow shitcoin out of the water	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	and fix it	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:22]
Cory	7" here so far.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	from today ?!	[23:23]
ineededausername	anyone want coins for 4.4 each	[23:23]
Cory	mircea_popescu: Yup. :O	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	jesus	[23:23]
Cory	A few counties north of me got over 16" today.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	you're in newfoundland or something ?	[23:24]
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Saiga12	Ineededausername: what payment do u accept?	[23:24]
ineededausername	Saiga12: btc-e.com has btc on sale at 4.4 lol	[23:25]
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ineededausername	it's amazing... went down to 4.15 earlier today	[23:25]
Cory	mircea_popescu: Wisconsin.	[23:25]
ineededausername	there's 600 coins below 4.57	[23:25]
NASDAQEnema	reaper - in Anon reapersec is a bunch of crusading ex .mil asshats	[23:25]
Staatsfeind	If whoever was behind that deal with litecoin (I really don't care about reading up on it) had really wanted to fuck with people, he could have just not told anyone.	[23:25]
rg	someone is selling ron paul wrist bands lol	[23:26]
rg	;;ticker	[23:26]
Saiga12	Nasdaqenema: so you still want it?	[23:26]
rg	;;asks 5.01	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	prolly attention starved nerd.	[23:26]
NASDAQEnema	Saiga12 another time I'm still waiting to be paid for some work i did	[23:26]
NASDAQEnema	sorry	[23:26]
Saiga12	Its cool	[23:27]
Saiga12	You want me to hold onto it?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	lmaop they take visa/paypal ?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	how the f.	[23:27]
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mircea_popescu	Timescale-possibly a 2 day delay.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	Nefario.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	it's been two days.	[23:28]
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silvercoin	they only withdraw to pay pal	[23:34]
silvercoin	not deposit	[23:34]
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smickles	;;asks 5.01	[23:50]
gribble	There are currently 17061.306 bitcoins offered at or under 5.01 USD, worth 84372.0860937 USD in total.	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	so then how do i put money in silvercoin ?	[23:50]
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