Forum logs for 28 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mod6 mircea_popescu: yah, im more inclined to just wait until a new sig, properly named is sent. [00:06]
mod6 jurov: the original emails -- either asciilifeform named them incorrectly or the email server munged the names. [00:06]
mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000185.html [00:07]
mod6 and [00:07]
assbot [BTC-dev] Programmable Version Strings. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mdvdyY ) [00:07]
mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000191.html [00:07]
assbot [BTC-dev] Malleus Mikehearnificarum. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7GR40 ) [00:07]
mod6 they should have signatures that are named as follows: [00:07]
mod6 asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig [00:07]
mod6 asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig [00:08]
mod6 but these didn't come through like that. it's missing the 'asciilifeform' between 'vpatch' and 'sig'. [00:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00055323 = 11.0923 BTC [+] {2} [00:09]
mod6 im not sure what happend just now with the re-submits that alf did, one made it through ok, the other did not. [00:09]
mod6 and again, i have no way of telling if they were named correctly in the first place or it was the ML. but... its certainly something that should be in a log file or something, you may wanna have a look. [00:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40728 @ 0.00056087 = 22.8431 BTC [+] {4} [00:12]
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mircea_popescu but in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/37f673f75257029ea06509a30f710ac1/tumblr_nzhbkekKU81uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg [00:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEL064 ) [00:13]
mod6 dang [00:13]
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mircea_popescu and with friends http://41.media.tumblr.com/5ac2902571136364f43b292f72144eea/tumblr_nzbp6dcxXh1uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg [00:14]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEL8Tj ) [00:14]
mod6 man. [00:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105199 @ 0.00054954 = 57.8111 BTC [-] {5} [00:27]
funkenstein_ greetings logaholics [00:28]
funkenstein_ i came across some light reading which might be enjoyed by Orlovians http://www.feasta.org/2012/06/17/trade-off-financial-system-supply-chain-cross-contagion-a-study-in-global-systemic-collapse/ [00:28]
assbot Trade Off: Financial system supply-chain cross contagion – a study in global systemic collapse | Feasta ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQHp2m ) [00:28]
funkenstein_ anyway looking forward to banging my head against the wall figuring out what shiva is supposed to do [00:30]
mircea_popescu introducing, the real shiva : http://40.media.tumblr.com/71bfe7901e25aceeaff35548acc7d8f8/tumblr_nv38fkJkSv1uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg [00:32]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQHIdA ) [00:32]
mircea_popescu please to bang against wall. [00:32]
mircea_popescu who has persian rugs in the bathroom ? romanians, that's who! [00:33]
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asciilifeform mod6: i sent the first 'resend' by mistake with the old files. then again with new, but this was eaten. [00:40]
mod6 ah. [00:41]
mod6 ok [00:41]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b81 [01:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 230 @ 0.00649981 = 1.495 BTC [-] {3} [01:19]
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BingoBoingo Ah, 10 BTC was still not enough to make Trump the BitBet favorite nominee over Rubio. [01:25]
mircea_popescu lol! [01:25]
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BingoBoingo And we all of course know that the BitBet favorite is still the real favorite in spite of all protests to the contrary [01:45]
BingoBoingo ;;nethash [02:04]
gribble 949537783.966 [02:04]
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danielpbarron i think Paul's gonna have a comeback now that trump free'd up a spot in the debate for him [02:21]
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mats there is an interesting opportunity here for folks to analyze bitbet outcomes to date [02:37]
mats and on the subject of bitbet, third party audit of reserves isn't coming back, huh [02:40]
mircea_popescu on and off. [02:43]
mircea_popescu wasn't ever intended to be a permanent thing. [02:43]
mats great for bragging rights -- 'provable, double reverse fractional reserve' [02:46]
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mircea_popescu lol [02:47]
mircea_popescu in vaguely related news, http://adevarul.ro/news/bucuresti/ziua-pantaloni-metrou-fost-sarbatorita-zece-oameni-eveniment-participat-singura-fata-1_5692862b37115986c657a86e/index.html << ro hipsters wanna-be no pants day, nine dudes and a ditzy cow show up in short pants in the subway. the few who don't ignore lol. [02:48]
assbot FOTO VIDEO Ziua fără pantaloni la metrou a fost sărbătorită de zece oameni. La eveniment a participat o singură fată | adevarul.ro ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGrJ5x ) [02:48]
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pete_dushenski ;;later tell BingoBoingo batter up ! http://dpaste.com/20MDFFH.txt [03:08]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:08]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qu1KLq ) [03:08]
BingoBoingo ty [03:08]
BingoBoingo Sweet, someone else claiming the 4 word "sorry for your loss" [03:10]
pete_dushenski 'sfyl' should almost be in the style guide [03:10]
BingoBoingo It's jsut a temporary thing happening while fiat dies [03:11]
pete_dushenski this 'temporary' thing is older than we are ;/ [03:12]
BingoBoingo Not much though. [03:12]
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pete_dushenski gold window closed in what, 71 ? [03:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45947 @ 0.00055708 = 25.5962 BTC [+] [03:14]
BingoBoingo Eh, details [03:15]
deedbot- [Qntra] Facebook Reaches New Highs As Money Laundry Spins - http://qntra.net/2016/01/facebook-reaches-new-highs-as-money-laundry-spins/ [03:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104100 @ 0.00055799 = 58.0868 BTC [+] {5} [03:17]
pete_dushenski in related currency news, i'm thinking that a stop in poland (after a stop in amsterdam) is a more cost-effective european destination than germany this summer. fuck this cad-eur rate, i'll take the eur-pln even if it means a plane instead of a train. [03:17]
pete_dushenski also, fuck aeroplan and its worthless goddam points. [03:17]
BingoBoingo Also less chance of rapefugee encounters [03:18]
pete_dushenski "no one could've predicted 100x inflation after we gave everyone a million free sign-up miles and a million more every time they filled up with gas!" [03:18]
pete_dushenski also, horrendous routings. [03:18]
pete_dushenski klm has direct yeg-ams flights now. so. cool. and a big loss for air canada. (and even iceland air, who recently opened up routes to europe through rjekjavik instead of toronto or london, which was a big deal until this new klm route stole its thunder) [03:20]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: funny, i was looking at cologne too ! [03:20]
BingoBoingo Can't take the child there. They are already being targeted in Sweden for being defenseless. [03:21]
pete_dushenski having been to the other major centres in germany, it's time for the second-tier. [03:21]
pete_dushenski speaking of germany, i was actually just looking at this leather belt i bought in berlin last time (ok, the only time) i was there, found myself admiring it (it's defo my fave), noticed that the shop's url was stamped on the inside of the belt, realised that i actually need a new black leather belt, and so ordered one from the same shop... only to be assraped by the woeful cad-eur and shipping costs. alas, there [03:25]
pete_dushenski 's nothing quite like a hoffnung berlin belt and i can't delay ~all~ gratification forever. [03:25]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: monsieur pantagruel can fend for himself. hell, he can defend me too ! [03:26]
pete_dushenski this is actually my plan in case he ends up 'simple' : bodyguard [03:27]
BingoBoingo Ah. [03:27]
danielpbarron >> This is a strange label when you consider than all personal computers << consider *that ? [03:29]
pete_dushenski ayup. [03:29]
BingoBoingo fxd [03:30]
pete_dushenski thx [03:31]
danielpbarron >> of total revenueFacebook reaches new << not sure here [03:31]
danielpbarron >> kicks into high gea in that period << *gear [03:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70250 @ 0.00055813 = 39.2086 BTC [+] {2} [03:32]
pete_dushenski ^ BingoBoingo [03:34]
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pete_dushenski that whole weird sentence just appeared in bb's edit [03:35]
BingoBoingo fxd [03:35]
pete_dushenski not quite, "Facebook reaches new highs as laundry machine kicks into high gear" should be removed entirely [03:36]
pete_dushenski this was my suggested title, not content ;/ [03:36]
BingoBoingo fxd [03:39]
pete_dushenski gratzi [03:40]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb [03:45]
gribble BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2533.01, vol: 38366.80770000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2533.01 [03:45]
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Because there’s no end to anything. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/28/because-theres-no-end-to-anything/ [04:04]
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punkman https://blog.ycombinator.com/basic-income [07:51]
assbot Basic Income - Y Combinator Posthaven ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZUWkvE ) [07:51]
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asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-future-is-blivets.html << mega-orl0l [09:38]
assbot ClubOrlov: The Future is Blivets ... ( http://bit.ly/1SLTh9N ) [09:38]
asciilifeform 'A similar problem exists with the biggest futures market in the world: in crude oil. Here, traders have been having a merry old time taking advantage of a notional glut, driving the price of crude lower and lower. They could drive it as low as $1 a barrel, but then what? The problem is, nobody on earth can produce oil that cheaply, and so a day will come when somebody will demand delivery on their $1/bbl crude contract, and t [09:38]
asciilifeform he only response will be an echo, as tumbleweeds blow across the abandoned oil fields.' [09:38]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387575 << everybody burning with desire to be warehoused with the lumpens, raise yer handz! [09:46]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2016 10:50:02; punkman: https://blog.ycombinator.com/basic-income [09:46]
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asciilifeform i do wonder, do the 'basic income' folks simply not understand the hierarchical role of money? or think that it can be magicked away? or do not, but lie about it ? [09:48]
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mircea_popescu quite blivets. [09:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they do not WISH for there to be a hierarchy. [09:53]
mircea_popescu and they WISH for what they wish to matter above and beyond anything else. [09:53]
asciilifeform wake me up when basic roquefort, basic country house, and basic electron microscope. [09:53]
mircea_popescu ergo.. [09:53]
mircea_popescu there is "basic roquefort" right here, in the future-usa that is argentina. [09:53]
asciilifeform until then i'll slowly kill myself working like the other working folk [09:53]
mircea_popescu it's god-awful. and they "pretend" to not know in the sense they're too fucking stupid to figure it out. [09:53]
asciilifeform aha i recall that one. but i don't think anybody is thinking of ~it~ when he wants 'basic...' [09:54]
polarbeard I'm a 'basic income' supporter, the earlier the govs default the better [09:54]
mircea_popescu see also, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358565 [09:55]
assbot Logged on 02-01-2016 02:11:16; lobito: i can name you many [09:55]
mircea_popescu ax [09:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform define "anyone". [09:55]
mircea_popescu what, does anyone know or does anyone not know that they're currently not getting anything even remotely like a college education, for more money than charles tried to raise but got instead a civil war ? [09:56]
asciilifeform anyone who bothered to think for five minutes. and yes, 'basic money' appealed to me as a student, because 'what can it possibly cost to feed maxint folks like me, almost nothing' but this is a classic partial differentiation mistake [09:56]
asciilifeform (ignores the turkey-rationing aspect) [09:56]
mircea_popescu (ftr, for they innocent of history - the entire cromwell debacle originally started with disputes over whether charles can or can't ask for a few measly thousand pounds in tax) [09:57]
asciilifeform aha i recall [09:57]
asciilifeform but mircea_popescu has a point in that i have no idea how many 'anyones' are even left. [09:57]
asciilifeform endangered species. [09:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's a fucking reason "basic money" appears to basic kids. that's why they basically have parents! [09:58]
mircea_popescu appeals* check me out im turning chinese [09:58]
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asciilifeform engrish as she is sp0k3n [09:58]
mircea_popescu she cow pig had kittens! [09:58]
asciilifeform l0l! [09:59]
mircea_popescu wow check it out, apparently that's not on the internet ?! OMG THE WHOLE KNOWNOLEDGE OF HU THE MANITEE AT MY FINGERTIPS!!1 [09:59]
mircea_popescu so hu the manatee says : in chinese pigdin, english vocabulary is used to cover chinese grammar. consequently she the cow of a pig, ie a sow, had kittens ie young ones ie pigglets. [10:00]
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asciilifeform this was actually pretty clear from first parse [10:01]
asciilifeform interestingly [10:01]
mircea_popescu sign of being a sociopath1 [10:02]
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mircea_popescu in other pigglet news, https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/2a/3b/5b/2a3b5be53b1fec8a511cb43f55652e33.jpg [10:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCQTu2 ) [10:03]
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mircea_popescu http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vCMiYSeIVXs/VKraB3G2bdI/AAAAAAAAF3c/NUCXGf_1zI0/s1600/QuidnonHeaderTHUMB.png << where the fuck does he find all the patently obvious, dastardly inept snake oil to decorate his blog with ? [10:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkWquM ) [10:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he actually builds those ! [10:10]
mircea_popescu dude... [10:10]
asciilifeform that thing is, or purports to be, his new boat. [10:10]
mircea_popescu only someone who has never sailed in his life would describe that abomination as a boat. [10:10]
asciilifeform he has whole book on why folks should accept it as boat. [10:10]
asciilifeform i have not read it, can't bring myself to. [10:10]
mircea_popescu this is inland iobag ineptitude on the scale of http://trilema.com/2010/moment-de-visare/ [10:11]
asciilifeform and pretty much all of the comments say exactly what mircea_popescu said. [10:11]
assbot Moment de visare on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdE3sU ) [10:11]
mircea_popescu heh. [10:11]
mircea_popescu it's not merely just bad. it specifically looks like the fundamentally broken vision of one who does not understand the topic. like that fixed jesus image. [10:11]
asciilifeform except that i get same comments on my computing bl0g [10:12]
asciilifeform for same reason [10:12]
mircea_popescu to be specific : any item, no matter what sort of item, as long as it exists in some sort of context, no matter the context, has some parts drawn under the pressure of that context. [10:12]
asciilifeform mr o is a sea crackpot. he knows how x, y, z, are done, and ~disagrees~ [10:12]
mircea_popescu it is the characteristic macula of the idiots unaware of the context to stick all the stuff they want in all the spots they don't understand [10:12]
mircea_popescu this changes the shape of the item in question, from what you'd expect based on the context, to what best fits their own ignorance. [10:12]
asciilifeform 'shit sticking off the side!111' [10:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's a difference between this and that. [10:13]
mircea_popescu he doesn't disagree. he doesn't know. to disagree you must first understand. [10:13]
mircea_popescu see, my reaction isn't "this doesn't look like what i'm used to see". my reaction is "this looks specifically like what someone'd make that has no idea". [10:13]
asciilifeform btw mr o has been weathering flames by 'deep sea vessel MUST have a keel' folks for many years [10:15]
mircea_popescu that is merely a poor expression of the problem, [10:15]
asciilifeform he always answers 'fuck you, folding keel, beachable boat suxxx' [10:15]
mircea_popescu because many folks don't have the ability to express nonsense at the right level, and the few who do don't have the time or patience to deal with random blogspot nuts. [10:15]
asciilifeform (rather, unbeachable) [10:15]
asciilifeform now this may be. [10:16]
mircea_popescu the "it must have keel" objection is akin to protesting spina bifida on the terms of "mammals must have an atlas bone". [10:16]
asciilifeform at any rate, eventually he will finish gluing that thing together and move into it, if passes poseidon's exam, may be worth reading [10:16]
asciilifeform otherwise snore [10:16]
mircea_popescu "no they don't! horses don't even have collarbones and they're mammals!!1" [10:16]
mircea_popescu this is, incidentally, how snake oilism survives and perpetuates. negotiating and exploiting the general inability to form objections properly. [10:17]
mircea_popescu really should be taught in highschool. "Objectivism - a class on how to object. It's mandatory unless you figure out how to get yourself out of it." [10:18]
asciilifeform l0l, sadly it got namesquatted [10:18]
mircea_popescu i regard my principal education in college being this. [10:18]
mircea_popescu meh i mean highschool. [10:19]
mircea_popescu anyway, his discussion of oil is pretty much afield. for one thing, inventories are way the fuck up (tho i don't expect he has an inkling of a clue as to how to look it up, and besides - so much easier to pronounce stupid shit), and deliveries are actually stalled by the buyers! [10:21]
mircea_popescu you want to take possession of a billion or so barrels, amoco is more than happy to cool you off, get in touch. [10:21]
asciilifeform per my reading, he was arguing in favour of 'giant sits down on small stool' thing [10:22]
mircea_popescu "I am not kidding. I wrote the book on that." [10:22]
asciilifeform where yes, billion barrels today, 0 tomorrow [10:22]
mircea_popescu dude why the fuck am i even reading this. pfff. [10:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually the problem is consumption fell off a cliff. [10:22]
asciilifeform as mr o predicted in '08 aha [10:22]
mircea_popescu it's a combination of multisecular trends. one is a hate of plastics, that has been brewing for at least five decades. the other is a hate of self, that;s been brewing since ww2, and that expresses itself variously, but for instance in current "carbon"-ecology. [10:23]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform dude predicted NOTHING to date. not a single thing. the shit he "predicts" is generally 3rd hand restatement of stuff first restated in the 70s. [10:24]
asciilifeform afaik none of the ideas are original to him, no [10:24]
asciilifeform but he was my introduction to the subject of 'petrocollapse will involve ludicrously cheap oil' [10:24]
mircea_popescu but whatever, "the internet contains all human knowledge" and consequently all the discussion re oil economy post the arab shock never happened, [10:24]
mircea_popescu because it's in books and shit. jeez. mom wasn't even taking it in the ass back then! [10:25]
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mircea_popescu speaking of self hate, here's a splendid illustration : https://www.literotica.com/s/the-good-guy-always-loses-ch-01 [10:44]
assbot The Good Guy Always Loses Ch. 01 - NonConsent/Reluctance - Literotica.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcQrYD ) [10:44]
mircea_popescu the trend is definitely unamerican, in fact it may well have been what produced despondent turds a la orwell and overall sunk the british empire, too. [10:45]
mircea_popescu angloconsumption. [10:45]
jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387456 << nope. it currently does not munge (except for unsavory chars filter, which is not the case) nor check filenames against any pattern [10:49]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2016 03:05:06; mod6: jurov: the original emails -- either asciilifeform named them incorrectly or the email server munged the names. [10:49]
jurov even when it will check for v candidates, it will *not filter*. except for spammy duplicates. [10:50]
jurov or was there a recent case the names in email are different from archives? [10:51]
shinohai ;;later tell danielpbarron searched for eulora pass, still no luck I'll get with ya when I get an account sorted. [10:53]
gribble The operation succeeded. [10:53]
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mircea_popescu shinohai what is this destroying pws business! [11:22]
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mod6 asciilifeform: when you get a chance tonight or whatever, try to send through a correctly named sig for: 'asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch' plz [12:17]
mod6 thanks in advance. [12:18]
thestringpuller is the version string patch going into the newest release? [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.0005554 = 21.4384 BTC [-] {3} [12:20]
mod6 i think it will, as long as I can get it tested. i haven't played with that one at all, other than compiling and running with it -- gives a version of 99999 by default. [12:24]
mod6 shinohai tried to play with the command line flags but had some trouble. this isn't resolved yet. i was going to try those out myself, but I have had other fish to fry first. [12:25]
thestringpuller once I'm up to sync, i'll patch that in and restart the node [12:26]
mod6 k [12:29]
thestringpuller ;;ticker --markets all [12:31]
gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make (1 more message) [12:31]
thestringpuller ;;ticker --market all [12:31]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 382.3, vol: 10815.86675241 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 385.358, vol: 5888.82959 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.82, vol: 22401.78461278 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 389.99, vol: 0.067 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 386.951758, vol: 39396.81020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 386.83, vol: 318.61664333 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 388.299, vol: 130.56197188 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [12:31]
thestringpuller ;;more [12:31]
gribble 385.025035757 [12:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13485 @ 0.00055399 = 7.4706 BTC [-] {2} [12:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34760 @ 0.00055399 = 19.2567 BTC [-] {2} [12:41]
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mircea_popescu !up ascii_butugychag [13:05]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes. [13:06]
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ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387704 << will do [13:12]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2016 15:16:15; mod6: asciilifeform: when you get a chance tonight or whatever, try to send through a correctly named sig for: 'asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch' plz [13:12]
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ascii_butugychag mod6: i actually re-sent a correct one last night, it vanished. [13:12]
ascii_butugychag without a trace. [13:13]
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ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387688 << so where did it go... [13:15]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2016 13:47:59; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387456 << nope. it currently does not munge (except for unsavory chars filter, which is not the case) nor check filenames against any pattern [13:15]
ascii_butugychag perhaps turdatron ought to be an ftp [13:16]
ascii_butugychag email suxx [13:16]
ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387686 << the appearance of 'despondent turds' doesn't sink empires though, it is quite the reverse [13:17]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2016 13:43:29; mircea_popescu: the trend is definitely unamerican, in fact it may well have been what produced despondent turds a la orwell and overall sunk the british empire, too. [13:17]
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thestringpuller ascii_butugychag: So never send you an email? (Guess no need since always on IRC) [13:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33198 @ 0.00055274 = 18.3499 BTC [+] [13:28]
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ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: i fucking hate email. [13:29]
thestringpuller !s from:ascii* email [13:29]
assbot 68 results for 'from:ascii* email' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aascii%2A+email [13:29]
thestringpuller i guess I'll go through that to find out why. [13:29]
ascii_butugychag nah just go through the turdatron nonsense [13:29]
ascii_butugychag it wouldn't surprise me if it has taken up more log space to date than the entire sum of payloads in turdatron. [13:30]
mircea_popescu there isn't really a good way to do this is there. [13:31]
mircea_popescu email sucks, ftp is no better, wtf. [13:31]
ascii_butugychag sure as fuck better [13:31]
ascii_butugychag doesn't mutilate payloads. [13:31]
mircea_popescu yeah but security black hole. [13:32]
ascii_butugychag just turdatron on other end. [13:32]
ascii_butugychag what black hole. [13:32]
ascii_butugychag upload-only, 1 file at a time. [13:32]
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thestringpuller at that rate you might as well just make http server similar to mpex and accept file payloard there that are signed [13:33]
thestringpuller discard the rest [13:33]
thestringpuller can't imagine 1mb vpatch that "fits in head" [13:33]
ascii_butugychag the only vpatches that have any business exceeding a few dozen kB are genesis loads [13:34]
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thestringpuller !up ascii_butugychag [13:36]
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mircea_popescu could work as www form... possibly better than mail. [13:37]
mircea_popescu but in other boobs, http://40.media.tumblr.com/d75460c80e3c08c2752b6156896cb6a8/tumblr_nv37f6rKc81uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg [13:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZW0d3u ) [13:38]
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ben_vulpes woke up to this: "errors" : "EXCEPTION: St9bad_alloc
std::bad_alloc
bitcoin in ProcessMessage()
" 		[15:29]
ben_vulpes reference impl appears to still be running [15:29]
ben_vulpes will dig through logs later [15:29]
ben_vulpes hey! [15:29]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: those aren't boobs. [15:30]
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thestringpuller I love how mircea_popescu is always mentioned in the slack logs for bitcoin core. The irony being that he doesn't pay them any attention. [15:42]
jurov ascii_butugychag: i'll try to explain third time: if you sent same clearsigned message second time, it discarded it [15:42]
thestringpuller !up ascii_butugychag [15:42]
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ascii_butugychag jurov: aha! ok i get it [15:43]
ascii_butugychag but that does mean that it is quite impossible for me to do what mod6 asked for. [15:43]
ascii_butugychag ben_vulpes: you are getting oom'd [15:44]
ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: wai wut, what logs [15:44]
jurov not impossible, if you change the clearsigned text, it's ok [15:44]
ascii_butugychag hm, then will try it again tonight [15:45]
ben_vulpes interesting, ascii_butugychag, getting oom'd doesn't result in an immediate process kill? [15:45]
mats https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/01/27/the-admiral-in-charge-of-navy-intelligence-has-not-been-allowed-to-see-military-secrets-for-years [15:45]
assbot The admiral in charge of Navy intelligence has not been allowed to see military secrets for years - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1nRGYvV ) [15:46]
thestringpuller ascii_butugychag: I'll post them for amusement in a bit. [15:46]
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thestringpuller !up ascii_butugychag [16:00]
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thestringpuller ascii_butugychag: http://dpaste.com/3FE9VDV.txt [16:00]
thestringpuller contains such l0lz as: [16:00]
thestringpuller coinoperated-rob: MP is a major handicap for Bitcoin. He's like unremovable training wheels, necessary early on, but now they just get in the way and make it look ridiculous [16:01]
ascii_butugychag l0l!! [16:01]
thestringpuller and: [16:02]
thestringpuller bitsko: This brand of Mircea type misanthropy and elitism is pretty funky, luckily the garbage is hot enough that most people keep it in a pile downwind usually. [16:02]
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ascii_butugychag !s rat poison still works [16:05]
assbot 3 results for 'rat poison still works' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rat+poison+still+works [16:05]
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mircea_popescu not impossible, if you change the clearsigned text, it's ok << put a tab instead of space somewhere :D [16:14]
jurov hahaha exactly NOT that [16:14]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller who the fuck are these schmucks again ? [16:14]
jurov it uses sha-1 of gpg --decrypt to spot duplicates [16:14]
jurov (and gpg --decrypt converts all spaces/newlines to cannonical representation) [16:15]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: Exactly my point. They are talking about you and, "Who the fuck are these people?" [16:16]
mircea_popescu i dunno, sounds like typical vc spew. "oh these powers that be, preventing us from ruining this thing!!1" [16:16]
thestringpuller More of the: "We need mass adoption!!!!!1" spew. [16:17]
mod6 <+ascii_butugychag> mod6: i actually re-sent a correct one last night, it vanished. << oh the entire message was snarfed? [16:18]
mircea_popescu in other news, stockings! http://41.media.tumblr.com/89a6179d6b11a6c5b0d19fe5b33fbf30/tumblr_nufo9hpHOq1uew6mbo1_1280.jpg [16:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PIB7FF ) [16:18]
mod6 <+ascii_butugychag> hm, then will try it again tonight << ok cool. got it. [16:19]
jurov mod6 read my explanation, doi you understand it? [16:20]
jurov and everyone else, if you want to resend something, *change the text* and re-clearsign [16:21]
mod6 ya, i got it. [16:23]
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BingoBoingo In other derp gavin comes prematurely again https://archive.is/w5VHA [16:27]
assbot bips/bip-bump2mb.mediawiki at 92e1efd0493c1cbde47304c9711f13f413cc9099 · gavinandresen/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0ld3U ) [16:27]
BingoBoingo Still sticking with 75% vote [16:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54850 @ 0.00055711 = 30.5575 BTC [+] [16:28]
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jurov http://motherboard.vice.com/read/pssst-your-pgp-is-leaking uuuu what a fud [16:34]
assbot Pssst, Your PGP Is Leaking | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1PIDDf5 ) [16:34]
jurov “PGP is the NSA's friend,” Weaver added. [16:34]
shinohai dafuq [16:35]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski Did you give me a post with a number off by a factor of 1000? http://qntra.net/2016/01/facebook-reaches-new-highs-as-money-laundry-spins/#comment-43691 [16:38]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:38]
assbot Facebook Reaches New Highs As Money Laundry Spins | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0mAj5 ) [16:38]
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adlai keyid leakage can be mitigated with --hidden-encrypt-to, (then recipient must specify which key decrypts the message) [16:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3980 @ 0.00055981 = 2.228 BTC [+] [16:44]
jurov adlai he mentions it's possible but closes with "NSA's friend" anyway [16:44]
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ascii_butugychag who is surprised by the keyid thing ?! [16:58]
BingoBoingo Silk Road Drug folk? [16:58]
ascii_butugychag but more to the point, [16:58]
ascii_butugychag !s public key steganography [16:58]
assbot 0 results for 'public key steganography' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=public+key+steganography [16:58]
ascii_butugychag ^ is an unsolved and possibly unsolvable boojum [16:59]
ascii_butugychag (how to encrypt such that you ~must~ have the pubkey to distinguish the ciphertext from noise) [16:59]
ascii_butugychag *have the privkey [16:59]
ascii_butugychag that is. [16:59]
ascii_butugychag this is trivial for, e.g., otp, but - i suspect provably - a no-go for anything else, esp. anything asymmetric. [16:59]
ascii_butugychag and i would love to be proven wrong about this. [17:00]
ascii_butugychag at any rate, i find it far more enraging that (incl. this same rag) is repeating the nonsense re: go being solved [17:00]
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ascii_butugychag go and win against a pro WITHOUT MOTHERFUCKING HANDICAP [17:00]
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mircea_popescu “PGP is the NSA's friend,” Weaver added. << "keep saying it, maybe it becomes true" [17:12]
fluffypony well to be fair, it is only "pretty good" [17:13]
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adlai GPG's Not Goodenough [17:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90000 @ 0.00054805 = 49.3245 BTC [+] {2} [17:15]
adlai eh this joke should've died before birth [17:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00054806 = 10.9612 BTC [+] [17:16]
thestringpuller Can't you send to anonymous recipients in GPG? So the keyid doesn't show up in the ciphertext just have to try with different keys until it deciphers or doesnt. [17:19]
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thestringpuller article breaks down to "n00bs shouldn't use GPG" [17:21]
ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: you can still brute-force the recipient [17:22]
ascii_butugychag by iterating over pubkeys [17:22]
thestringpuller aha. I see. wouldn't advance method be using disposable keys? (like burner cell phones)? [17:22]
ascii_butugychag may as well otp then [17:23]
thestringpuller i guess in context of secret drug dealers organizing to do hood rat shit, best method. But don't see what use of them using our keyids to identify our WoT, when that's you know...publicly available. [17:24]
jurov "brute-force the recipient by iterating over pubkeys" << ascii_butugychag sauce? [17:26]
ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: enemy exercise in self-congratulatory wanking - 'we already have metadata! who talks to whom! we won' [17:27]
ascii_butugychag jurov: you can trivially do it right now, just walk all of sks, if the pubkey is - well - public, you can determine that someone rsa'd to it [17:27]
deedbot- [Ossasepia] Foxy’s Musings on Click-Slaves vs Apprentices and Their Choices - http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/01/28/foxys-musings-on-click-slaves-vs-apprentices-and-their-choices/ [17:28]
ascii_butugychag jurov: by chinese remainder theorem [17:29]
ascii_butugychag pretty sure this is in the logz [17:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19642 @ 0.00054806 = 10.765 BTC [+] [17:31]
thestringpuller you mean you can use that irl and not just in school? [17:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00055283 = 15.7004 BTC [+] {2} [17:42]
thestringpuller In other derp: Shift ~10,000 users who have spent > $1,000,000 worth of bitcoin in less than 2 months [17:42]
thestringpuller ;;calc 1000000 / 10000 / 2 [17:43]
gribble 50 [17:43]
thestringpuller ^so 50 bucks per user per month? when will these people learn. [17:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64100 @ 0.00055448 = 35.5422 BTC [+] {3} [17:54]
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BingoBoingo Hi felipelalli how is the Brazillian press portraying the FBI atrocities in Oregon? [17:54]
deedbot- [Qntra] Gavin Andresen Proposes Same Hardfork Again - http://qntra.net/2016/01/gavin-andresen-proposes-same-hardfork-again/ [17:57]
deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Letter to Timothy B. Lee, senior editor at Vox.com - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/28/letter-to-timothy-b-lee-senior-editor-at-vox-com/ [17:57]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski no mention of how Vox.com forbid him from owning Bitcoins in the lulzfest where Ezra Klein backtracked on his promises to Lee and Lee just took it like a bitch? [18:00]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:00]
felipelalli Hi BingoBoingo! [18:02]
BingoBoingo !up ascii_butugychag [18:03]
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ascii_butugychag how the fuck do you 'forbid from owning bitcoin' ?? [18:03]
felipelalli I didn't know anything about it, just opened the newspaper now and saw. Wow. [18:03]
BingoBoingo ascii_butugychag: Cuckolding? Rectotherm? [18:04]
BingoBoingo felipelalli: Ah, yeah FBI is doing anything they can to get the Freedom Fighter out before they rack up 1 month of Freedom time [18:04]
felipelalli BingoBoingo, what a terrible news :/ [18:06]
BingoBoingo Seriously [18:06]
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pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: looks like i was indeed off my a single letter on that fb piece. [18:13]
pete_dushenski my bad. [18:13]
pete_dushenski the bb 'fxd's never end ! [18:13]
BingoBoingo Aha one letter a factor of 1000, will fix [18:14]
BingoBoingo million give or take sounded right to me, haven't been on FB in long time [18:14]
pete_dushenski i think i got confoozed by the 300 bn dollar valuation. numbers and facebook just don't have meaning anymore. [18:14]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2014#820694 << this what you were referring to BingoBoingo ? [18:16]
assbot Logged on 05-09-2014 20:45:34; BingoBoingo: "This was my fault. While I don't think it's impossible to fairly cover Bitcoin while also holding some Bitcoins, the reason to make these rules blunt and general, rather than nuanced and specific, is to ensure there's no question about the motivations of the underlying coverage." [18:16]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: That and the drama leading up to it. Generated lots of noise. [18:16]
pete_dushenski well your memory is better than mine cuz i'd forgotten all about it. lost in the sea of drama noise. [18:17]
BingoBoingo I only remember it because I am good at forgetting other things. [18:20]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Maybe you should try building a non-Euclidian memory palace [18:21]
pete_dushenski maybe tomorrow [18:22]
BingoBoingo Just don't make it Euclidian. Parallel lines are an anti-optimization when it comes time to recall shit. [18:23]
ascii_butugychag there really oughta be moar work re: the art of forgetting rubbish [18:23]
ascii_butugychag (garbage collection) [18:23]
ascii_butugychag say, how about a 'memory dungeon' ? [18:24]
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PeterL have you seen the movie "Inside out"? [18:24]
BingoBoingo ascii_butugychag: ETOH work to promote forgetting, but problems emerge because it is very non-selective. [18:24]
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BingoBoingo PeterL: no haven't [18:25]
pete_dushenski "Not only can it not be trained, not even to the modest degree bravery and valor could be trained into the knight, but it exhibits a very active antieconomy of scale!" << applies to 'art of forgetting rubbish' just as well. [18:25]
PeterL Imagines the inside of the girls mind, there are mechanisms for throwing out useless data [18:25]
ascii_butugychag BingoBoingo: nagant also works, in that sense. not interesting. [18:26]
BingoBoingo ascii_butugychag: Aha. ETOH allows for some memories to remain in the meat. Achieving that with Nagant is tricky. [18:26]
BingoBoingo Nagant also frontloads side effects. ETOH lets you mortage those costs. [18:27]
PeterL most memory management tricks seem to be directed at retaining what you want, I have never seen anybody talk about throwing out useless stuff. I don't know if anybody has researched whether there is a hard limit to total storage space? [18:27]
pete_dushenski in related nyooz, your mother is not my mother, says science : http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/the-caste-system-has-left-its-mark-on-indians-genomes/ [18:28]
assbot The caste system has left its mark on Indians’ genomes | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/2097Hp6 ) [18:28]
pete_dushenski so greatest bestest indian empire can conduct such genomic research, but usistan can not. who's poor now ? [18:29]
ascii_butugychag there's plenty india can do that usa chokes on - such as actually producing pharma cheaply [18:31]
ascii_butugychag (by pissing on patents) [18:31]
pete_dushenski re above : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1379073 [18:31]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 21:24:19; mircea_popescu: what haplogrup was martin luther king ? or is such knowledge forbidden in the united obscurantistlands. [18:31]
pete_dushenski ascii_butugychag: and manufacturing, as india is even stealing foxconn plants from chinaland. [18:32]
ascii_butugychag so long as white man supplies the equipment - yes [18:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49669 @ 0.0005488 = 27.2583 BTC [-] {2} [18:32]
pete_dushenski someone must design it, yes, and that someone also isn't in india or china, also yes. but so what ? colonies are nothing new. [18:33]
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pete_dushenski "Using a common system for extrapolating generations from genetic recombination, the researchers estimated "all upper-caste populations, except [one] from Northeast India, started to practice endogamy about 70 generations ago... This time estimate belongs to the latter half of the period when the Gupta emperors ruled large tracts of India (Gupta Empire, 319–550 CE)."" << ie. upper class is genetically distinct, the [18:38]
pete_dushenski is a rotating slurry of undifferentiable mud, the kind that wants to be 'anonymous' online. [18:38]
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ascii_butugychag the what [18:44]
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BingoBoingo https://i.sli.mg/bVwAsN.png [19:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1nS1wVc ) [19:09]
pete_dushenski ascii_butugychag: hm ? [19:09]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: heh. veigns. [19:09]
ascii_butugychag pete_dushenski: your paste got cut off [19:10]
ascii_butugychag the ..?.. is a rotating slurry ... [19:10]
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pete_dushenski the... *rest [19:11]
ascii_butugychag ah [19:11]
ascii_butugychag ftr i worked with folks from india for many years [19:11]
ascii_butugychag they tend to... segment. [19:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61446 @ 0.00055723 = 34.2396 BTC [+] {2} [19:12]
ascii_butugychag (a ~very~ heavy chunk of biotech research establishment in usa, and likely many other such rackets, runs on indian emigres) [19:12]
pete_dushenski just like doj then. [19:15]
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pete_dushenski and who might you be, Linus_ ? [19:21]
ascii_butugychag pete_dushenski: they tend to 'colonize' rackets involving repetitive, tedious sorts of work [19:22]
ascii_butugychag the brahmins - at managerial levels [19:22]
ascii_butugychag the rest - below. [19:22]
pete_dushenski that pretty well matches my interactions with indians, they're either chemists or dentists. [19:24]
Linus_ pete_dushenski: hey, just another bitcoiner :) [19:24]
pete_dushenski !gettrust Linus_ [19:25]
assbot Linus_ is not registered in WoT. [19:25]
pete_dushenski Linus_: looks like you're not quite a bitcoiner after all. [19:25]
pete_dushenski !h [19:25]
assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot [19:25]
pete_dushenski ^ if you care to change that [19:26]
pete_dushenski !wot [19:26]
pete_dushenski someday... [19:26]
Linus_ :) thanks [19:26]
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Linus_ PGP is cool, have you seen this: https://github.com/stealth/opmsg [19:28]
assbot stealth/opmsg: opmsg message encryption - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1nS32H0 ) [19:28]
pete_dushenski Linus_: if you need help with the pgp part of the equation, start here http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/ [19:28]
assbot Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvuPYi ) [19:29]
Linus_ it's supposed to be like PGP , but with Forward Secrecy, and some othe stuff [19:29]
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ascii_butugychag 'Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) by means of ECDH or DH Kex ... opmsg builds fine with any of the OpenSSL, LibreSSL and BoringSSL...' << i've read enough. [19:30]
ascii_butugychag case FREEHUGS: [19:36]
ascii_butugychag cmode = CMODE_FREEHUGS; [19:36]
ascii_butugychag break; [19:36]
ascii_butugychag l0l [19:36]
ascii_butugychag ostr<<"HUG, HUG - sell a bug.
"; oflush(); 		[19:36]
ascii_butugychag do i even want to know. [19:36]
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Linus_ pete_dushenski: Hey, that is a nice PGP tutorial. I also recommend GPA (Gnu Privacy Assistant) to beginners. [19:37]
pete_dushenski i'm sure you do. [19:37]
pete_dushenski !up ascii_butugychag [19:38]
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ascii_butugychag RAND_load_file("/dev/urandom", 2048); [19:39]
ascii_butugychag / clear error queue, since FIPS loading bugs might overlay our own errors [19:39]
pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/28/letter-to-timothy-b-lee-senior-editor-at-vox-com/#comment-39853 << best comment i've received in a while. [19:39]
assbot Letter to Timothy B. Lee, senior editor at Vox.com | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1nr4dwg ) [19:39]
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Linus_ Did you hear about the strategy to subsidize miners to stay on 1MB blocks? [19:48]
pete_dushenski you mean a fee market ? [19:48]
Linus_ no, just adding some BTC, on top of the regular 25 btc miner reward. [19:49]
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Linus_ kinda similar how some people donate, to keep more full nodes running. [19:49]
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pete_dushenski eh miners are already subsidised plenty. if they want to mine larger blocks and fork off, for the most part, it's their loss. [19:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00054376 = 28.6018 BTC [-] {2} [19:55]
danielpbarron Linus_, hear about it? ~it~ happened.. ~here~ [19:58]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382518 << behold! [19:59]
assbot Logged on 23-01-2016 05:54:30; mircea_popescu: very simple mechanism to ACTUALLY improve your insurance : make a pool which pays 25.25 btc for the first block it finds each day. [19:59]
Linus_ danielpbarron: cool [20:01]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [20:05]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 378.26, vol: 11317.76384923 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.78, vol: 5896.33304 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 377.42, vol: 24446.39294807 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 355.0, vol: 0.12003227 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 385.71453, vol: 40951.96700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 382.25, vol: 319.68140616 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 389.463999989, vol: 142.04981566 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) [20:05]
BingoBoingo ;;more [20:06]
gribble average: 382.042858889 [20:06]
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jurov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_%28cryptosystem%29#cite_note-26 EFF phuctored rsa keys in 2012? [20:09]
assbot RSA (cryptosystem) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE5PYX ) [20:09]
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jurov some prior art claims were discussed but don't remember nor can't find this exact paper in logs [20:10]
jurov "They were able to factor 0.2% of the keys using only Euclid's algorithm." [20:11]
jurov From the PDF:" The new data suggests that, as the body of keys grows, so does the percentage of keys a ected and that the simple step of abandoning 1024-bit keys for 2048-bit ones may be less e ective than desired. [20:16]
jurov RSA's feature that allows bad number generators to a ect other keys in such a public way is problematic." [20:16]
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BingoBoingo So it's looking like Iowa's getting snow next week. No way this isn't good for my boy Rubio [20:35]
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BingoBoingo A lol http://qntra.net/2016/01/gavin-andresen-proposes-same-hardfork-again/#comment-43751 [20:43]
assbot Gavin Andresen Proposes Same Hard Fork Again | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vuvyci ) [20:43]
* BingoBoingo misses Phuctor's web interface. Enabled so much shaming. [20:50]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it will come back ! [20:54]
BingoBoingo That doesn't mean it isn't missed [20:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170144 @ 0.0005462 = 92.9327 BTC [-] {4} [20:55]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000197.html [20:56]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:57]
assbot [BTC-dev] programmable version string (resent for mod6) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tqt8wK ) [20:57]
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jurov http://www.dailydot.com/politics/isis-alrawi-encryption-messaging-app/ [21:08]
assbot Alrawi, the ISIS encrypted messaging app, does not exist ... ( http://bit.ly/1TqtMu8 ) [21:08]
deedbot- [Qntra] Russian Communists Seek To Emulate United States Socialists With Asset Forfeiture - http://qntra.net/2016/01/russian-communists-seek-to-emulate-united-states-socialists-with-asset-forfeiture/ [21:08]
jurov in same vein as isis gpg pubkey [21:08]
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asciilifeform https://www.rt.com/news/326143-vladimir-putin-immortal-conspiracy << see also from same ! [21:11]
assbot Conspiracy theorists ‘prove’ Vladimir Putin is actually immortal — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tqu0RS ) [21:11]
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BingoBoingo lol [21:12]
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BingoBoingo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZ2QJUCUEAAGmoN.png [21:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tqvxaw ) [21:38]
BingoBoingo Related https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZz-G5dWIAApuYA.jpg [21:39]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TqvBHo ) [21:39]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387872 << gotta love these idiots. [21:50]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2016 20:55:22; deedbot-: [Qntra] Gavin Andresen Proposes Same Hardfork Again - http://qntra.net/2016/01/gavin-andresen-proposes-same-hardfork-again/ [21:50]
mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2016/01/gavin-andresen-proposes-same-hardfork-again/#comment-43752 << lol. top zing. [21:51]
assbot Gavin Andresen Proposes Same Hard Fork Again | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1WQxRYq ) [21:51]
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mircea_popescu and since we're doing hos, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a62d44e00f8dc311d525d23461b01875/tumblr_nwy0d2XEDT1ucrlbno1_1280.jpg [21:56]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1WQyaCD ) [21:56]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387911 << yet it is my principal skill. teh intimates often can't believe just how talented i am at it! [21:58]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2016 21:26:18; PeterL: most memory management tricks seem to be directed at retaining what you want, I have never seen anybody talk about throwing out useless stuff. I don't know if anybody has researched whether there is a hard limit to total storage space? [21:58]
mircea_popescu but anyway. there has to be a limit, for quantum reasons. [22:01]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387980 <<< as it happened to have been started in these very logs... i guess he must've. [22:03]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2016 22:46:24; Linus_: Did you hear about the strategy to subsidize miners to stay on 1MB blocks? [22:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387999 << afaik all that derpage started after hacker-something deleted the original phuctor story, replaced it with an "expert" nobody heard of and his spurious testimony containing no data, and it's been on a blabla kick ever since. [22:04]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2016 23:08:48; jurov: some prior art claims were discussed but don't remember nor can't find this exact paper in logs [22:04]
asciilifeform holy shit [22:10]
asciilifeform string GetDataDir() [22:10]
asciilifeform { [22:10]
asciilifeform char pszDir[MAX_PATH]; [22:10]
asciilifeform GetDataDir(pszDir); [22:10]
asciilifeform return pszDir; [22:10]
asciilifeform } [22:10]
asciilifeform guess where. [22:10]
asciilifeform am i dreaming ? [22:10]
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mircea_popescu mmmnope [22:12]
asciilifeform for fusck sake!!11 [22:12]
asciilifeform (incidentally, this snippet WILL work if nobody clobbers the stack between invocation and use of the result. bbuttt... why/?!!! [22:13]
asciilifeform ) [22:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00054945 = 1.8681 BTC [-] [22:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00055286 = 14.9825 BTC [+] {3} [22:14]
asciilifeform or hm, does cpp string class allocate a fresh turd when returning ? [22:17]
asciilifeform seems like this is a mere leak. [22:17]
asciilifeform i guess i ~was~ dreaming [22:17]
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mircea_popescu it's a (minor) leak yeh [22:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00055515 = 12.7129 BTC [+] {2} [22:26]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000197.html << fantastic, thanks alf!! [22:26]
assbot [BTC-dev] programmable version string (resent for mod6) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tqt8wK ) [22:26]
mod6 ok stand-by, going to update the mirror. [22:27]
mod6 ok all set -- looking good. [22:32]
mod6 http://dpaste.com/07EF5NH.txt [22:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PE052E ) [22:33]
asciilifeform soooo i'm nearly done with the megaturd. [22:33]
mod6 tinyscheme? [22:34]
asciilifeform aha. [22:34]
asciilifeform it won't be tremendously useful right off the bat, more of a thing to build on. [22:34]
mod6 you think it'll be useful at all before we release? [22:35]
asciilifeform potentially. [22:35]
mod6 does any of it touch any of trb's files? [22:35]
mod6 (so far, i didn't see any that did) [22:35]
mod6 im thinking that i'm gonna tag the release, and publish the release patch soon. just hoping that if any of it touches trb, that it'll be post-release patch so there are no conflicts. [22:36]
asciilifeform mod6: it touches plenty. but it probably should not go in the release, is a very dangerous experimental thing. [22:37]
asciilifeform i don't mind re-grinding periodically it if it becomes v-orphaned. [22:38]
mod6 ok you should probably wait to run vdiff against the changes until i've got the release patch out then, so you can start from there. [22:38]
mod6 does that make sense? [22:38]
asciilifeform aha [22:38]
mod6 ok good deal. feel free to fire off whatever you like at the ML, just be aware that we may have to re-process the vpatches post-release. that's all. salud. [22:39]
mod6 im about to publish V [v99996] tonight. [22:39]
asciilifeform neato! [22:39]
mod6 well, hoping to anyway. [22:39]
mod6 :] [22:39]
mod6 it'll contain the fix from yesterday about the strictness of one of my regex's when matching up seals to vpatches; the change to look for the .wot dir in the current working directory by default (as well as .seals); and lastly has the post-press hash checker function also. [22:41]
mod6 all automated tests should pass now that we have your new PVS seal in the mirror ; was failing lastnight because V thought it was 'WILD', and it expected it to be signed by you. [22:42]
mod6 which is a good thing that the test picked it up. [22:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00055946 = 13.8187 BTC [+] {2} [22:44]
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mircea_popescu you think it'll be useful at all before we release? << nah, fgorget it. consider the release frozen like a week or two ago. [22:44]
mircea_popescu will be another one [22:44]
asciilifeform i do not even know if this thing is fit for release..! [22:45]
mircea_popescu right. [22:45]
mod6 in your opinion, should the release include any of the three (from recent): PVS, Malleus, or High/Low-S ? [22:46]
mircea_popescu i thought you pretty much had all three lined up for it, no ? [22:49]
mod6 i did. [22:49]
mod6 i need to test PVS a bit more actually tho. [22:49]
mod6 i haven't even touched it yet. [22:49]
mod6 but yah, if all final tests work that include those patches, we're frozen and headed for a release. [22:50]
BingoBoingo Sweet [22:51]
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mod6 ok all automated tests for V passed. [22:59]
mod6 lock & load [22:59]
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mircea_popescu cool beans [23:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00055946 = 6.8254 BTC [+] {2} [23:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00055949 = 8.6441 BTC [+] {2} [23:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31568 @ 0.00055967 = 17.6677 BTC [+] {3} [23:34]
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asciilifeform mod6: done yet? ... i am. [23:41]
asciilifeform holding off until your thing is in, like you asked [23:41]
asciilifeform ... or maybe not. [23:48]
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