Forum logs for 26 Nov 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331601 >> probably ; sadly.	[00:03]
assbot	Logged on 26-11-2015 01:20:10; mod6: asciilifeform: if the Foundation is going to host & sign OpenSSL/Boost/BDB, I'll also need to host buildroot + buildroots deps, no?	[00:03]
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BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Well, you could work your way up starting with an apple newton, and maybe someday achive an IBM AS/400 ans still further in the future a system/360 "box"	[00:04]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331631 << phun phakt, i have a mac here, but can't build anything for current macs because... it was made in '09	[00:05]
assbot	Logged on 26-11-2015 02:46:43; ben_vulpes: el capitan quest, day three: os x still refuses to upgrade xcode 6 to xcode 7.1, a prerequisite for el capitan (or is it the other way around? once i run all of these permutations i'll have to check that set).	[00:05]
asciilifeform	and won't run anything past 10.7.	[00:05]
mod6	yeah, i was thinking that was the case Mr. P. Just wanted to throw it out there before I start pulling 'em	[00:05]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: what a blessing	[00:05]
asciilifeform	the thing is almost fantastically useless	[00:06]
asciilifeform	but at one point i needed to run a java turd for some teleconference thing and it worked.	[00:06]
ben_vulpes	isn't it a delightful little hell?	[00:06]
ben_vulpes	so trivially miserable	[00:06]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i forget, you have one for building softs for ipNohe ..?	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	what;'s the rub ? can't put enough ram on it ?	[00:07]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: no, though it has permanently soldered ram. it is simply that crapple refuses to support the gpu	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	oh you need the gpu ?	[00:07]
asciilifeform	decided 'if your box was made in '09 nothing past 10.7 will install'	[00:08]
asciilifeform	aha	[00:08]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i don't have one because of that	[00:08]
asciilifeform	crapple's os does not degrade, gracefully or otherwise	[00:08]
asciilifeform	it demands 'xyz hardware or go fuck yourself'	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	sorta like us.	[00:08]
asciilifeform	aha	[00:08]
ben_vulpes	but $shop uses macs to deploy software on macware	[00:09]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: cannot even replace persistent storage devices in 'crapple' portables of late	[00:09]
ben_vulpes	oh and surely i've bitched about the hilarious external port layout of the most current model	[00:10]
ben_vulpes	THERE IS ONE	[00:10]
ben_vulpes	ONE PORT	[00:10]
asciilifeform	aha	[00:10]
asciilifeform	one cloaka, even for mains power	[00:10]
ben_vulpes	want to plug in device and charge at the same time?	[00:10]
ben_vulpes	GET FUCKED	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	...	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	why do you people persist in buying this crap	[00:11]
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ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: isn't it a marvelous thing	[00:11]
ben_vulpes	the atomic dirigible	[00:11]
BingoBoingo	!up cryptone	[00:11]
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ben_vulpes	enough hot air to float a vax	[00:11]
asciilifeform	to be fair, i didn't persist.	[00:11]
asciilifeform	but if i needed a portable unix box today, i would be forced to buy a crapple machine.	[00:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23838 @#64; 0.00049702 = 11.848 BTC [-] {4}	[00:12]
ben_vulpes	i would like to not have to use portable boxes	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	seriously, you'd buy some toy with a single port ?	[00:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: presently this is only in their 'budget' models	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	in more than one port news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9c29ade55981246eaddcbaa779ac9461/tumblr_mudr2mwLX71ric5jho1_500.jpg	[00:14]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Xh8ZNo )	[00:15]
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ben_vulpes	the new trackpads are impressive, though.	[00:16]
asciilifeform	in other 'news', in past month i learned that 98%+ of openings advertised for my profession demand proof of aryan status	[00:17]
asciilifeform	(~existing~ usg clearance)	[00:17]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: what you don't have it already?	[00:18]
asciilifeform	some bozos do not even remember to advertise it, and then proceed to waste hours of my time only to break the news later	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	i don't think you're allowed in b-a if you do.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: not only don't have, but never had, and afaik the monkeys do not yet smoke enough dope to hand'em out to folks like us.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: possibly allowed but место у параши	[00:19]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: current base 'pro' model ships with 128 gb unreplaceable persistent storage	[00:19]
ben_vulpes	512 gb for another 500 usd	[00:20]
ben_vulpes	storage was configurable at one point, but apparently no longer.	[00:22]
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asciilifeform	used to be you could even put standard 2.5 inch disks in there	[00:22]
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ben_vulpes	oh wait dig it you can get a whole 1.5 tb for A WHOLE GRAND	[00:23]
ben_vulpes	what an inane pricing exercise	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	1.5tb ram ?!	[00:24]
asciilifeform	disk	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	wtf	[00:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @#64; 0.000496 = 2.0832 BTC [-] {2}	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	why would you pay 1k for something that retails for like 80 ?	[00:25]
ben_vulpes	because one cannot put ones own storage in the machine	[00:26]
ben_vulpes	they are welded in at birth	[00:26]
asciilifeform	1.5 ssd in standard form factors sells for about 400-500 usd.	[00:26]
asciilifeform	so crapple's is perhaps a 200-300% markup.	[00:26]
ben_vulpes	and an extremely small cost in the grand scheme of things.	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	1.5 tb ssd ?!	[00:27]
asciilifeform	(the box ben_vulpes was thinking of doesn't have a sata jack, so you're stuck with what's soldered on)	[00:27]
asciilifeform	and yes, if you want a unix box with 300 dpi screen and where the MOTHERFUCKING PERIPHERALS WORK (suspend lid, etc) - you buy this.	[00:33]
asciilifeform	because nothing else.	[00:33]
asciilifeform	not for $million.	[00:33]
asciilifeform	not for $100 mil.	[00:33]
asciilifeform	*portable unix box	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	~nobody ever bought this crap for this reason.	[00:34]
asciilifeform	i did !	[00:34]
asciilifeform	and a buncha folks i know in meat life	[00:34]
asciilifeform	and ben_vulpes, and - iirc - trinque, phf, ...	[00:35]
asciilifeform	and who else was it.	[00:35]
asciilifeform	nubbins ?	[00:35]
asciilifeform	and, and...	[00:35]
asciilifeform	pretty crowded 'nobody'	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	didja run off with half the sentence ?	[00:37]
asciilifeform	nah that's all.	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	so the box you'd buy is putative, as you didn't buy it, and as far as the rest of the quoted is concerned ima go on a limb and guess thye had other reasons.	[00:41]
asciilifeform	if i didn't already have one, for the (fortunately) rare times that i need such a thing - would buy.	[00:42]
asciilifeform	with revulsion, but would.	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	does it have one hole ?	[00:43]
asciilifeform	nah '09 had multiple holes.	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	then what are you talking!	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	im rrrrreally call the police i tell you!	[00:44]
asciilifeform	also will note that the portable i actually use for work, cost no less than the maximal mac, relies on blobs, and a good number of peripherals simply do not work, blob or no blob	[00:44]
asciilifeform	(lenovo w540)	[00:44]
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trinque	I run a shit-tacular lenovo x1 carbon	[00:53]
trinque	thing is falling apart	[00:53]
trinque	I've fine-tuned gentoo on both this and a macbook pro previously, as perhaps some kind of pain fetish	[00:54]
kakobrekla	x1 tried to be mac air	[00:56]
trinque	yep, failed miserably; it has a broken lcd hinge atm	[00:57]
deedbot-	[Trilema] The muchass of the day, a triptych - http://trilema.com/2015/the-muchass-of-the-day-a-triptych/	[00:57]
asciilifeform	the mega-insight here is that laptops suck ~because~ they are part and parcel of a kind of life that sucks	[00:57]
asciilifeform	so it is rather like asking why a prison latrine sucks	[00:58]
asciilifeform	well, because it is what and where it is.	[00:58]
asciilifeform	'not a bug, but a feature!1111'	[00:58]
kakobrekla	(one of) my lappy currently has an uptime of 124 days	[01:00]
asciilifeform	what of this	[01:00]
kakobrekla	doesnt leave house	[01:01]
danielpbarron	my laptop has 82 days uptime right now	[01:09]
kakobrekla	youll never catch me!	[01:11]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[01:13]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2R6JDXN.txt )	[01:13]
mod6	my openbsd lappy: 10:05PM up 215 days, 13:42,	[01:13]
kakobrekla	hehe	[01:13]
mod6	think i shut it down on the flight from b-a	[01:14]
kakobrekla	i guess the point was lappy != field work	[01:15]
kakobrekla	is it surprising we dont have field clean rooms?	[01:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8587 @#64; 0.000496 = 4.2592 BTC [-] {2}	[01:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @#64; 0.000496 = 5.9272 BTC [-]	[01:20]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: i have a pile of laptops that never leave the house	[01:34]
asciilifeform	but they all have specific purposes and are not 'workstation' in any sense.	[01:34]
BingoBoingo	lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3u5wtp/21_inc_attempts_to_stop_neckbeards_from_copying/	[01:35]
assbot	21 inc attempts to stop neckbeards from copying their obsolete Frankenstein creation. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1lLjEPy )	[01:36]
trinque	kakobrekla: danielpbarron: uptime \| perl -ne "/(d+) d/;print 8,q(=)x$1,"D ""	[01:36]
BingoBoingo	http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YOM1tkQqQPQ/VlI0hOQBUHI/AAAAAAAAFt4/cjhDQUSACaA/s400/gefilte.jpg	[01:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1jkMlRr )	[01:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9176 @#64; 0.00049656 = 4.5564 BTC [+]	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	"You will probably experience a higher attempted double spend rate, for example, if selling a digital good to someone who didn't buy a device."	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha what are these turnips smoking.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	is "doublespend rate" even computable ?	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	0.0000001% or what ?	[01:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @#64; 0.00049656 = 5.1642 BTC [+]	[02:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2414 @#64; 0.000496 = 1.1973 BTC [-]	[02:41]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker	[02:55]
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BingoBoingo	http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=penn_teller_bullshit	[03:09]
assbot	Maddox vs Penn & Teller: My take on their bullshit ... ( http://bit.ly/1OsUP4f )	[03:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @#64; 0.000496 = 3.8936 BTC [-]	[03:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18944 @#64; 0.000496 = 9.3962 BTC [-]	[03:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @#64; 0.00049656 = 6.4305 BTC [+]	[03:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @#64; 0.00049755 = 7.5628 BTC [+] {3}	[03:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @#64; 0.000496 = 9.7216 BTC [-] {2}	[04:00]
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punkman	http://www.investing.com/rates-bonds/germany-2-year-bond-yield down to -0.416	[05:16]
assbot	Germany 2-Year Bond Yield - Investing.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MSTPUm )	[05:16]
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jurov	even slovakistan bonds went negative	[07:18]
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jurov	http://www.ghacks.net/2015/11/24/beware-latest-windows-10-update-may-remove-programs-automatically/	[07:27]
assbot	Beware, latest Windows 10 Update may remove programs automatically - gHacks Tech News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sm2jHh )	[07:27]
jurov	"Others report that programs like CPU-Z, AMD Catalyst Control Center or CPUID were removed as well during the upgrade."	[07:27]
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fluffypony	jurov: Microsoft is just looking out for its users	[08:27]
fluffypony	making sure they don't run dangerous programs like the AMD CCC	[08:27]
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jurov	;;ticker --currency eur	[08:58]
gribble	Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.	[08:58]
jurov	;;ticker -	[08:58]
gribble	(ticker [--bid\|--ask\|--last\|--high\|--low\|--avg\|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market \|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)	[08:58]
jurov	;;ticker	[08:58]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 354.51, Best ask: 354.97, Bid-ask spread: 0.46000, Last trade: 354.51, 24 hour volume: 42328.78470226, 24 hour low: 324.21, 24 hour high: 356.72, 24 hour vwap: None	[08:58]
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PeterL	Happy Thanksgiving!	[10:26]
PeterL	So, I got a new job. if anybody needs any chemical analysis done http://www.impactanalytical.com/	[10:34]
assbot	Impact Analytical - Analytical Testing Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nee4PV )	[10:34]
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mircea_popescu	"Cuccias said that Nest Cam uses 128-bit SSL encryption, Perfect Forward Secrecy and a 2048-bit RSA key that is unique to each camera. “This ensures that videos are not accessible, even over open WiFi networks. That said, customers can always see the status of their camera through the Nest app,” "	[11:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7644 @#64; 0.00050203 = 3.8375 BTC [+]	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	good god.	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	punkman you know how bond yields work right ?	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	PeterL you could prolly make a killing doing analysis for teh "darknet" pillheads.	[11:20]
PeterL	I guess if they are willing to pay to get the stuff through the darknet, they should be willing to pay to get it tested	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck is "350 years of combined experience".	[11:21]
PeterL	I don't know why people think combining years of experience means anything	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	PeterL afaik anyone who's not a tard tests the first batch from a new vendor.	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	obviously vendors also know this, but anyway	[11:22]
PeterL	well, wanting to test it and having the ability to test it are two separate things	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	PeterL it's a necessary next step from thinking combining people's votes yields a valuable result.	[11:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5671 @#64; 0.00049857 = 2.8274 BTC [-]	[11:22]
PeterL	perhaps average years experience would mean something, maybe minimum years experience, but total years experience is useless	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	PeterL anyway, dunno how close you are to management / how tolerant of redditards your strategy is, but - you could even be proactive about it. register on whatever social medias they frequent as "the lab", do some testing even on your own dime at first to establish rep,	[11:24]
mircea_popescu	it's a very low moat business. no idea how lucrative, but establishing a "stellar" reputation and pushing everyone else takes months, on account of how dumbassly undependable they all are.	[11:25]
PeterL	I basically report directly to the company president, it is a small company	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	so have a chat, he prolly doesn't know.	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	can evaluate if he wants to be in it or not on his own.	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	make him a nice file, explain it all, takes you maybe 3-4 hours of your time will make him want to promote you.	[11:25]
PeterL	my initial thought is we want to stay far away from derpy reditards, but I could be wrong	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	as yhou're not the boss it is not your job to make that call.	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	it COULD be your job to make him support materials to make the call, tho	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	seeing how the us is full of wanna-be callmakers and practically empty of actual workers doing the actual work of callmaking.	[11:26]
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PeterL	I'm off to find breakfast	[11:31]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: punkman you know how bond yields work right ? << not really	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	let's start with an example from the 1800s, on trilema : "Că d-l Grigorescu, șeful direcției contabilității din Ministerul de Finanțe, va pleca la Berlin, Viena și Frankfurt în scopul de-a plasa rentă 5 la sută română pe prețul de 75 suta ?"	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	so, the guy went to place, ie sell, romanian bonds paying 5% for 75 cents to the dollar.	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	now, if you put in 75 cents t obuy a dollar of this, at the end of the year you will be paid either nothing or 105. which means that your yield will have been (105-75)/75 ie just about 50%.	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	conversely, if for whatever reason (such as horrible insecurity everywhere else in europe, while romania's sterling cannons guarantee it'll be fine), you decide to pay 106 cents for the dollar, your yiedl will be	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	(105-106)/105 = -1%	[12:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15883 @#64; 0.00050294 = 7.9882 BTC [+] {2}	[12:02]
punkman	why does guy decide to pay 106 cents for 105 cents a year later?	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	because gold has a cost of carrying.	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	unlike bitcoin, strong money of any other kind decays over time	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	(bitcoin unintelligently transformed its already minor cost into a disasters of commons situation, due to the fact that satoshi had about as much financial experience as a holywood star. but anyway.)	[12:06]
punkman	does german bank charge the guy to keep 106 cents in his account?	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	most of these investors can not legally keep money in local bank accounts.	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	obviously that situation won't be permanent.	[12:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @#64; 0.00050526 = 3.5116 BTC [+] {2}	[12:25]
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punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331672 << and it looks like this inside https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAQP6_EWMAAC26k.png:large	[12:47]
assbot	Logged on 26-11-2015 03:05:20; asciilifeform: one cloaka, even for mains power	[12:47]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1T7t0j6 )	[12:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @#64; 0.00050585 = 7.7395 BTC [+] {2}	[12:56]
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asciilifeform	punkman: again, this is their 'low-end' box	[13:04]
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punkman	asciilifeform: surprised at how small it is	[13:06]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331873 << what did mircea_popescu mean by this? i bet there is a whole article buried in this observation, and i would like to read it	[13:06]
assbot	Logged on 26-11-2015 15:00:55; mircea_popescu: (bitcoin unintelligently transformed its already minor cost into a disasters of commons situation, due to the fact that satoshi had about as much financial experience as a holywood star. but anyway.)	[13:06]
punkman	it's not arm is it?	[13:06]
asciilifeform	punkman: no	[13:06]
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asciilifeform	punkman: x86-64 box like the rest of the line	[13:07]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331841 << firms like this have, iirc, existed for a while. i've always wondered what keeps usg from busting them for 'possession'	[13:08]
assbot	Logged on 26-11-2015 14:15:09; mircea_popescu: PeterL you could prolly make a killing doing analysis for teh "darknet" pillheads.	[13:08]
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asciilifeform	(my guess would be the eleventh commandment, 'not caught - not thief')	[13:08]
punkman	afaik there is only one place that takes anonymous drug samples via mail, and it's run by Erowid and some nonprofits	[13:14]
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punkman	(in the US)	[13:15]
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punkman	"EcstasyData.org collects lab testing results from a variety of organizations, but primarily commissions its own tests conducted by Drug Detection Lab (DDL) in Sacramento. All samples submitted to EcstasyData are done so by mail and we have no physical, on-site analysis presence. We are also interested in helping other groups publish and manage their testing data."	[13:18]
punkman	random derps can't get tests unless they know a guy	[13:19]
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punkman	and the guy must work in DEA-licensed lab	[13:20]
pete_dushenski	well, what CAN random derps do without knowing a guy ? buy shoelaces ?	[13:20]
punkman	and mcplastic	[13:21]
pete_dushenski	ohthatsright.	[13:21]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: pretty much the entire set of things that i do.	[13:22]
asciilifeform	because - elementarily - i don't 'know a guy'	[13:22]
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asciilifeform	and neither do the folks i know.	[13:22]
pete_dushenski	so groceries, rent, ebayz.	[13:22]
asciilifeform	this plus the set of surplus shops, etc. that can be seen with the naked eye in meatspace.	[13:23]
asciilifeform	but yes.	[13:23]
pete_dushenski	given that ebay has its own reputation system, you can, over time, get to 'know a guy'	[13:24]
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asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: aha, bordering on 20 yrs of ebay. but that isn't how it works.	[13:24]
pete_dushenski	groceries, less so, if using supermarket. for rent, you could also know a guy, but obviously not pre-req	[13:25]
asciilifeform	pretty much ZERO of my transactions are repeats (with same seller/buyer)	[13:25]
pete_dushenski	because you never need the same thing twice ?	[13:25]
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asciilifeform	typically if i need 'the same thing twice' i open the crate and take out another.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform consider the situation : with gold, the responsibility for keeping gold secure indivisibly rests with its owner. either you build a vault and pay guards, or else you don't own it.	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	consequently, depending on your efficiency, you'll be spending a coin every X interval off the hoard.	[13:26]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: i normally buy rarities there that it is physically impossible to obtain in any other way short of a journey around the globe in person	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	with bitcoin, the responsibility for keeping everyone's gold secure rests not with the owners, but with the.... miners!	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	what happens to gold when no more mining is possible ? (as you know, gold is finite in the universe)	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	not much.	[13:26]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: aha. also because you've the capital necessary to buy in bulk, so you do.	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	what happens to bitcoin should reward halving run into an impossibility to finance further mining ?	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	poof.	[13:27]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and what of the asymptote ?	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	at some certain future point it becomes more lucrative for the owner of mining gear to "start a new bitcoin" than to continue adding to this chain.	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	asymptotes are what idiots think of the world.	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	hence my comment re satoshi.	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	there are no asymptotes in nature.	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	just phase transitions.	[13:28]
asciilifeform	did somebody settle the proton decay thing while i was asleep ?	[13:28]
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mircea_popescu	phase.transition.	[13:28]
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asciilifeform	where is the logical flaw in 'classic btc is schelling point for carve-of-all-value' --> asymptote ?	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	in that at some certain future point it becomes more lucrative for the owner of mining gear to "start a new bitcoin" than to continue adding to this chain.	[13:29]
asciilifeform	then the predicate does not hold ?	[13:29]
asciilifeform	btc is not schelling point ?	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	the usgtards like to act as if that future point is here, because they're too enamoured of the swamp they inhabit.	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	which is why all the vc bullshit that keeps missing bitcoin by a mile	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, the fact they're dumb doesn't mean the bait ain't there.	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what's your definition of "schelling point" ? doesn't have to be immutable, does it?	[13:31]
asciilifeform	i still don't see how an altcoin could ever be an appealing thing other than to idiots and looters, assuming a still-functioning (if asymptotically-rewardless) classic btc	[13:31]
pete_dushenski	'ever' is a long time.	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	but these are looters.	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	by definition. as they aren't owners, the only thing they can be is looters.	[13:32]
*	asciilifeform suddenly grasps where mircea_popescu was going	[13:32]
asciilifeform	eventually the miners - defect.	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	you aware of what "disaster of commons" means ?	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	aha/	[13:32]
asciilifeform	aha.	[13:32]
*	asciilifeform isn't even entirely convinced that this has not already happened	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	it just reproduces the same generational conflict that's present in society ever since forever.	[13:33]
*	pete_dushenski hopes he is long since dead when miners defect.	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	kinda proof that it's a realistic system	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	it necessarily can't happen yet.	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	it will happen like the collapse of the us happened : once everyone agrees it's not possibru.	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	even you.	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	that's the sign.	[13:33]
asciilifeform	miner defection might take longer than anticipated if mining begins to have a 'noblesse oblige' component, vs. straight +ev commercial motivation	[13:35]
asciilifeform	that is, if we actually see a transition to feudalism, like so many folks salivate for	[13:36]
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asciilifeform	(fwiw the subject has no emotional button push for me, because i don't expect to last for as long as five seconds under feudalism)	[13:36]
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mircea_popescu	why not ?	[13:37]
asciilifeform	because - what was the term mircea_popescu used - ...	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, in proper (ie, macroeconomic) terms, this consideration is the reason, ie the absolute driver, of why society will reorganise into feudalism.	[13:38]
asciilifeform	'have own legs'	[13:38]
asciilifeform	or what was it	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	gotta protect the bitcoin. both in this angle and in the angle kako was discussing yest.	[13:38]
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asciilifeform	oh i've no doubt that it ~will~	[13:38]
asciilifeform	just that this is of approx. the same interest to me personally as the long-term dwarf phases of sol	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know feudalism is safer for the slaves than even socialism. certainly than capitalism.	[13:39]
asciilifeform	sure.	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	the only way people could be moved off the good policy to the shitty one was the garglwe of "rights" and shit	[13:39]
asciilifeform	but nowhere is it written that the old slaves are somehow smoothly converted into new-style slaves.	[13:40]
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asciilifeform	most of the old slaves, as we both know, are worth their joules in diesel	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	that's what the wot/b-a is for.	[13:40]
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pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/26/in-which-pete-has-way-too-much-fun-at-law-school-part-ii/ << because deedbot was apparently down last night.	[13:40]
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assbot	In which Pete has way too much fun at Law School, Part II. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1SmEuPI )	[13:40]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i did not say 'wot is useless' but that i in particular do not - as demonstrated experimentally not long ago - command particularly much market value there.	[13:41]
pete_dushenski	market value != value !	[13:43]
asciilifeform	hence the 'five seconds under feudalism' note.	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	mmm	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	methinks you connected this diode backwards.	[13:43]
asciilifeform	how's that	[13:45]
pete_dushenski	bbiab	[13:45]
asciilifeform	now let's suppose that mircea_popescu is ultimately right about 'ride horses, throw out computer' and folks like me are not at all needed in the future. but let's try to imagine, e.g., a surgeon, trying to keep himself fed and clothed using b-a wot...	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	your diode's still plunked in backwards.	[13:48]
asciilifeform	how?	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: i did not say 'wot is useless' but that i in particular do not - as demonstrated experimentally not long ago - command particularly much market value there. << the idea is not that you command anything. the conversion from postmodern derp to feudal subject is not done under the control of the derp.	[13:49]
asciilifeform	aha. ergo 'not even last five seconds'	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[13:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu does not appear to actually disagree?	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	let's work an example with sluts, easier to take women as objects than yourself as an object.	[13:50]
asciilifeform	i'm perfectly fine with self as object	[13:50]
asciilifeform	considering that the original observation was about my reserved spot in the diesel tank.	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	stop telling yourself that. how would you know.	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	so the year is 1988. the persons are a well connected mobster and a youthful rose. she is in a terminal year at university, studying to be a soviet state company accountant. he just came back from dubai.	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	her : "even if you are right about where this shit's headed, i would not last five seconds"	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	him : "and why not ?"	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	her : "you already said no company ever needs a soviet accountant".	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	him : "honey... "	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	her : "and besides, that webcam site was not even in russian"	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	him : "So ?!"	[13:53]
asciilifeform	aha but spurious analogy - youthful rose has ~other assets~	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	her : "so how the fuck would i manage my transition!111!"	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	every object has other assets. THIS is what it means to be an object.	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	you understand ? tools have their mass, which means microscope is perfectly usable hammer.	[13:53]
asciilifeform	aha, sometimes it has great potential as fuel	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	only subjects exhibit this bizarro narrowness	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	as a macula of their true state : they don't exist.	[13:53]
asciilifeform	microscope is actually a terrible hammer. the reason i am so fond of the image is that i actually used it as one as a boy	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	that dun figure for shit.	[13:54]
asciilifeform	before knowing of the old book	[13:54]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu inhabits this peculiar mental universe where everybody (with possible exception of himself) is a malleable chick	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	the important point in that comparison is that her transition is NOT going to be managed by her	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	or by her mom. or by anyone she knows.	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	and it won't be in her control.	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	survival of soviet families depended on HOW connected they were, nothing else.	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	hence, that's what the b-a is for.	[13:56]
asciilifeform	tell this to moiety ?	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	why should i care to ?	[13:56]
asciilifeform	no reason	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[13:57]
asciilifeform	thing is, b-a as we have it today (at least as far as my naked eye can see) is not feudalism and not even ru mob	[13:58]
asciilifeform	in that the latter ~did~ do the whole employment thing	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	the "ru mob" appeared long after 1988	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	it's a creation of 1998 not of 1988	[13:58]
asciilifeform	actually it grew straight from the 'cooperativ' thing in '80s	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	in 1988 all you had was a bunch of sovietards.	[13:59]
asciilifeform	(they were a prey base for it)	[13:59]
asciilifeform	aha and what does mob eat!	[13:59]
asciilifeform	if not their flesh	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	cow does not grow "Straight from grass".	[13:59]
asciilifeform	well in that sense, no.	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	right.	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	and, again, the most important predictor for the effects of digestion was...	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	how connected. thatssal..	[14:00]
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asciilifeform	back to my original point, i don't see any reason why folks like me will fare any better under this collapse than they did under sovcollapse	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	depends on what "folks like me" means. if it means, folks who stubbornly live in moscow and work for the state, you're right.	[14:02]
asciilifeform	you mean, stubbornly insist on doing physics instead of peddling dope	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	simple heuristic : nobody who paid his taxes for 1989 ever had any money, nor did his children have a chance that was in any way connected to them. black fucking holes of dumb.	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	the only people who did something of themselves were the ones who didn't.	[14:03]
asciilifeform	this is a historic fact.	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[14:03]
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asciilifeform	and yet i see the loss of the physics/maths/etc. as a historic calamity, and it boggles my mind that any cultured man would disagree	[14:04]
asciilifeform	but then again mircea_popescu personally burned library of alexandria so go figure.	[14:04]
trinque	are there different classes of acts of futility, some of them being worthwhile?	[14:04]
trinque	"peddling dope" such that one has a surplus from the dope is the exact first step towards having any time to do these higher minded "honorable" tasks or whatever	[14:05]
asciilifeform	trinque: show me the great theorems of the mexican dope cartels	[14:06]
trinque	give them time.	[14:06]
asciilifeform	take me to their particle accelerator.	[14:06]
asciilifeform	at best, result will look like rome	[14:06]
asciilifeform	spiffy architecture and good org but precious little science and not even particularly much poetry.	[14:07]
trinque	I think you overlook the question of what kind of a mind is required to manage these vast enterprises	[14:08]
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asciilifeform	trinque: now your diode is in the wrong way	[14:09]
asciilifeform	a man like, e.g., escobar, may have been a first class cultured mind	[14:09]
asciilifeform	but how many escobars.	[14:09]
asciilifeform	and how many scum who are good at precisely one thing.	[14:09]
trinque	the proof is in the dope pudding.	[14:09]
trinque	lol, management of a large business is no sort of "one thing"	[14:10]
asciilifeform	and how much room in the general sense for something like noncommutative algebra, in 'dope world.'	[14:10]
trinque	when a man has a problem requiring it, it will have a price in that world	[14:10]
asciilifeform	trinque: boolean algebra sat for ~150 yrs before anyone remotely conceived of a 'problem requiring it'	[14:11]
asciilifeform	well, more like 100	[14:11]
asciilifeform	but do you see the idea here ?	[14:11]
trinque	so what, we needed a boolean algebra stalin to speed that up at the expense of someting else?	[14:11]
trinque	I do not	[14:11]
trinque	or, I do and disagree with it	[14:12]
asciilifeform	trinque: the idea is that it existed as a -ev flourish on culture, like poetry.	[14:12]
asciilifeform	was able to exist.	[14:12]
trinque	the problem of having leaders with nothing exciting enough to do that it requires new science is a primary problem from which other terrible problems flow	[14:13]
asciilifeform	wai wut?!	[14:13]
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trinque	exactly that.	[14:14]
asciilifeform	and where did stalin come in ? i must've woken up in some parallel universe ?	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what historical event isn't a historical calamity ?	[14:14]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno what cultured means to you, but there's something definitely wrong with the archeologist who goes to the local court to file a restraining order against this one long extinct tribe for having broken all the pots of this other one.	[14:15]
asciilifeform	ineffectual nuttery is ineffectual, newz at 11 ?	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	so then what calamity ? "historical calamity" or "they got what they had coming", exactly the same thing.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	or in other news, if your dad wanted some intromission advice from you when doing your mom, he'd probably have asked.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	as it happens... he didn't.	[14:16]
asciilifeform	possibly 'cultured' is best illustrated with positive example - like that ss colonel who happily presided over firing squads but would not permit rare plant collection in captured ru institute to be burned	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	their fucking library! they made it, they burned it! what's it to you ?	[14:17]
trinque	asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1317962	[14:17]
assbot	Logged on 05-11-2015 23:41:44; mircea_popescu: the russians got steel plants faster with stalin then they'd have without.	[14:17]
trinque	you say "something should've been done!" in response to boolean algebra sitting there	[14:18]
trinque	by whom? and what?	[14:18]
asciilifeform	trinque: i happen to think that 'without', ru would live in the same place as the incas	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	this is rather likely.	[14:18]
asciilifeform	which is to say, eaten up by folks ~with~.	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	incidentally : incas were prolly the most socialist tards alive, because they managed to split up, the inca owned everything.	[14:19]
asciilifeform	aha they had almost textbook holhoz !	[14:19]
asciilifeform	blew my mind when i learned of it	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	funny how this works, makes me thing socialism is a constant, like the water table.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	(in which case - the harem is really the perfect solution. mother-aged children are pretty uch the only human beings i ever knew to benefit from socialism. so make the harem, let the women be sisters, let society function.)	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	kinda what the romans had, as it happens.	[14:20]
asciilifeform	trinque: somehow the point of the george boole example escaped you. the idea was that he had the freedom to do something other than immediately +ev practicalities.	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	"something other than immediately +ev practicalities" is the definition of insanity.	[14:20]
trinque	nothing escaped me; you were lamenting someone else not coming along and using his work	[14:20]
asciilifeform	trinque: nope.	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	that it sometimes works is a case-by-case type of argument, useless when one tries to argue class.	[14:21]
asciilifeform	trinque: was lamenting a planet where no one can be boole.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	anyone can be boole in this sense, just close your eyes.	[14:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: pretty much everything i give half a fuck about, in that case, is a direct product of 'insanity'	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	myeah. this is a dangerous place to live in.	[14:21]
asciilifeform	and this would include all of what pretty much anybody thinks of as 'culture'	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	not so.	[14:23]
asciilifeform	(why write down how you clobbered the $derptribe? smearing ink on paper is -ev!)	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	not so.	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	it's only -ev if you have NO INDEPENDENT MEANS OF SUPPORT	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck do you think it's the samurai rather than the peasant doing poetry ?	[14:24]
asciilifeform	the samurai failed to produce, e.g., a george boole.	[14:24]
asciilifeform	which is why we aren't speaking jp.	[14:24]
asciilifeform	this blade has two edges.	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	you damn near close did speak jp. so did plenty of chinese.	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	boole has zero to do with it.	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	how quickly we forget that it was actually japan that drove the harpoon into the great "western" whale.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	how quickly we forget that china is to japan what the ipad is to the blackberry.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	japan did better without boole than england did with.	[14:25]
asciilifeform	jp cribbed on the exam.	[14:26]
asciilifeform	does 'rengaku' ring a bell ?	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	everyone cribbed on the exam.	[14:26]
asciilifeform	sure.	[14:26]
asciilifeform	but this is not what 'doing better without boole' means.	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	http://www.wikipeetia.org/Rengaku << for the lulz.	[14:27]
assbot	Rengaku - Wikipeetia, the misspelled encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1kVoV6X )	[14:27]
*	trinque wonders if asciilifeform thinks the Kievan Rus were better off without coming under Mongol administration, because of course the Mongols were savages.	[14:27]
asciilifeform	entirely without - would mean continuing in the 1600s jp state of the art, using only what was produced by noble self-sustaining (on the backs of the peasantry) samurai thinkers.	[14:27]
trinque	where were their equations?	[14:27]
asciilifeform	trinque: mongols, interestingly, ate up the culture of the folks they conquered	[14:28]
trinque	sure did!	[14:28]
trinque	cribbed!	[14:28]
asciilifeform	aha	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	"entirely without" is a meaningless conceit of no value of import, which you nevertheless desperately wish to have because it's a requisite pillar for the temple of nonsense you build and apparently invested yourself in.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	the most obvious problem with it from your planet should be that it is cosubtantial with IP.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	the mandatory googles that drm the environment "to protect the user" are exactly the same notion, coming from the same place, going to the same place.	[14:30]
asciilifeform	how's that	[14:30]
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asciilifeform	btw i can't possibly dispute that anti-intellectual brutes eventually eat up the cultured folk. this is one of the most recurrent patterns in recorded history (greece swallowed by rome, chinese conquered by their sequence of barbarian waves, etc.)	[14:33]
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asciilifeform	and also that we have just such a party scheduled for the near future	[14:34]
asciilifeform	which is why i said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331959	[14:35]
assbot	Logged on 26-11-2015 16:31:44; asciilifeform: (fwiw the subject has no emotional button push for me, because i don't expect to last for as long as five seconds under feudalism)	[14:35]
asciilifeform	see also mircea_popescu's mega-article on subj, http://trilema.com/2014/un-prophete	[14:37]
assbot	Un prophète on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1kVpnSF )	[14:37]
asciilifeform	the one with 'height of the tallest building'	[14:37]
asciilifeform	and the prisoners.	[14:37]
trinque	were the mongols - with their cultural assimilation technology - anti-intellectual?	[14:39]
asciilifeform	trinque: no more than, say, a bear is.	[14:39]
trinque	a bear does not assimilate the practices and knowledge of his meal!	[14:40]
asciilifeform	see, back to what mircea_popescu referred to as my 'temple of nonsense', intellectualism is this thing where some folk devote their whole lives to -ev folly like writing poetry or proving theorems	[14:41]
asciilifeform	this is paid for with stolen gold	[14:41]
asciilifeform	sometimes they steal it with own hands, sometimes a friend helps.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	kidna incredible what my movie reviews end up	[14:41]
asciilifeform	(try to forget, for this example, the moral colour of word 'steal' - think of the sense in which we 'steal' milk from the cow, or samurai steals his XXXX koku of rice / yr. from the peasant)	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform devoting your "whole life" to anything, be it some dumbass woman (hey - for every woman that you're willing to die for!!11 there is a dude somewhere who's sick of her dumb ass), or ideas, behaviours and whatnot is stupid writ large.	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	fuck a number of DIFFERENT women ; do a number of DIFFERENT things. eat variedly. die happily.	[14:43]
asciilifeform	hence the link to mircea_popescu's 'tallest building' essay	[14:43]
asciilifeform	for certain height of building you can only have if some fool 'devotes life.'	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	not so.	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	for some angle, not for some height.	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	there's no rush. we'll get there when we get there.	[14:44]
asciilifeform	wake me up when afghani goat computer is built.	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[14:45]
asciilifeform	(you may need advanced necromancy, i intend to be quite dead then)	[14:45]
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mircea_popescu	your life, use as you will.	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	if you wanna sleep till x, go right ahead.	[14:45]
asciilifeform	my whole point was that i don't ever expect to personally meet x.	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	well so then you're stuck arentcha.	[14:46]
asciilifeform	'cause i don't breathe the liquid ammonia atmosphere of the planet where x lives	[14:46]
asciilifeform	but mircea_popescu does! which is cool.	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	people live everywhere people live, ya kno.	[14:48]
asciilifeform	aha but eskimo won't shave cunt.	[14:48]
asciilifeform	(as observed in earlier thread)	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	and ustards won't shut up about human rights.	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	and argentines are technologically gifted.	[14:48]
asciilifeform	idk, not much talk of 'hyoooman rightz!!1111' these days, it's all colour-specific	[14:49]
asciilifeform	('black livez!!111')	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	i don't really distinguish.	[14:49]
asciilifeform	aha, to non-entomologist, what's ant, what's termite.	[14:49]
asciilifeform	just for so long as you aren't the one falling through the riddled floorboards.	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	"arthropod" and call it a day.	[14:49]
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pete_dushenski	http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/world/middleeast/emirates-secretly-sends-colombian-mercenaries-to-fight-in-yemen.html	[15:25]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJAJG4 )	[15:25]
pete_dushenski	"[mercs] stay largely because of the money, receiving salaries ranging from $2,000 to $3,000 a month, compared with approximately $400 a month they would make in Colombia. Those troops who deploy to Yemen will receive an additional $1,000 per week"	[15:27]
pete_dushenski	~$12/day buys you top-notch domestic bodyguard in colombia. seems awfully reasonable.	[15:28]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/25/google-deems-bernie-sanders-economic-plan-phishing/ << in other news, google simply marks EVERYTHING as spam.	[16:44]
assbot	Google deems Bernie Sanders' economic plan a 'phishing scam' - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/21ivC3y )	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	on the apparently safe assumption that nobody has anything to say to anybody anywya	[16:44]
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mircea_popescu	“My plan would make Wall Street banks, profitable corporations, millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share of taxes. My plan would provide living wages for working people and ensure equal pay for women,” Mr. Sanders says, ticking off his plans to raise taxes by $1 trillion and spend it on infrastructure, guarantee free tuition at public colleges and universities, raise the minimum wage, raise Social Securit	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	y benefits and cut prices on prescription drugs.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	ahaha win.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	more of the same and less of everything, the socialist-democrat platform everywhere&para siempre!	[16:52]
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mircea_popescu	!up CoraCrisT	[17:00]
-assbot-	Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first.	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	doh.	[17:00]
punkman	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34932628	[17:02]
assbot	Pirate needs 200,000 video views to avoid being sued - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OtRh1x )	[17:02]
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mircea_popescu	!up CoraCrisT	[17:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18286 @#64; 0.00049673 = 9.0832 BTC [+]	[17:05]
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thestringpuller	Fiat VCs are really suffering from the problem of too much money.	[17:12]
thestringpuller	It's almost sad in the Old Yeller kinda sense.	[17:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @#64; 0.00049508 = 5.8915 BTC [-]	[17:19]
thestringpuller	has https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/designshift/orwl-the-first-open-source-hardened-computer been discussed yet?	[17:25]
thestringpuller	;;later tell asciilifeform is it legit?	[17:25]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:25]
CoraCrisT	hi folks	[17:26]
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mircea_popescu	don't need to read past "the first".	[17:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13968 @#64; 0.00049506 = 6.915 BTC [-] {2}	[17:35]
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ben_vulpes	free tuition	[17:41]
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shinohai	http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34932628	[18:16]
assbot	Pirate needs 200,000 video views to avoid being sued - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeONoM )	[18:17]
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BingoBoingo	back to my original point, i don't see any reason why folks like me will fare any better under this collapse than they did under sovcollapse << /me imagines in the future alf getting kidnapped in duffel bag... then delivered to a hardware #b-a because has come to expect	[18:46]
BingoBoingo	spiffy architecture and good org but precious little science and not even particularly much poetry. << Narcocorridos!	[18:47]
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thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: this would make a great scene for alfdog the movie	[18:49]
thestringpuller	collapse happens, and alf is shoved into duffelbag and audience is thinking "Oh no the gasenwagen got him!"	[18:50]
thestringpuller	but then fade to black. And you have shot of duffelbag unzipping from inside	[18:50]
thestringpuller	and you see MP standing there "Got you out just in time!"	[18:50]
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BingoBoingo	;;google site:wikipeetia.org Rengaku	[18:51]
gribble	Endreas Cleier - Wikipeetia, the misspelled encyclopedia: ; Nishi Amene - Wikipeetia, the misspelled encyclopedia: ; Tsugaru Nobuaki - Wikipeetia, the misspelled encyclopedia:	[18:51]
BingoBoingo	If you pull up the source of a qntra page, it's about 150 lines. Yesterday I was on another news site, the source was over 4000 lines long. I am calling scam, qntra is cheating us on the lines per page! << It used to be more until recently.	[18:54]
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BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: this would make a great scene for alfdog the movie << I kinda though alf identified more as a cat.	[18:55]
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pete_dushenski	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/24/five-people-shot-near-minneapolis-protest-cops-searching-for-3-white-male-suspects/ << couple days old, but #blacklivesmatter is ~already~ taking it on the chin from hooded white men.	[18:58]
assbot	Two men arrested in shooting of Black Lives Matter protesters in Minneapolis - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJT3z9 )	[18:58]
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jurov	imo that would happen only if alf was fuckable girl	[19:00]
BingoBoingo	lol http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/11/26/1554228/teslas-nox-problem-model-x-delay-explained	[19:03]
assbot	Tesla's NOx Problem: Model X Delay Explained? - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ikwqcw )	[19:03]
BingoBoingo	jurov: What if alf makes fuckable computers?	[19:03]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: the teslol rageth	[19:03]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: If you care to qntra up a car story	[19:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @#64; 0.00049672 = 2.3346 BTC [+]	[19:07]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: i just may do that.	[19:07]
BingoBoingo	cool	[19:07]
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mircea_popescu	sooo, they're doing a "marcha de las putas" ie, localized slutwalk	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	methinks im gonna go to point and laugh.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	"cultura de la violacion : el problema es colectivo la solucion tambien"	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	sounds like it was designed by office drones.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	!up epscy	[19:12]
-assbot-	You voiced epscy for 30 minutes.	[19:12]
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BingoBoingo	You aren't going to take naked girls to show them how it is done?	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	"alfdog the cat" could be a decent comic. it's about a dog who identifies as a cat.	[19:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2565 @#64; 0.00049672 = 1.2741 BTC [+]	[19:28]
jurov	!up BashCo	[19:29]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo certainly not.	[19:29]
BashCo	thanks jurov. I haven't been active here. haven't taken the time to get involved.	[19:31]
jurov	the time is NOW	[19:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @#64; 0.00049491 = 1.559 BTC [-]	[19:45]
shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/NOqZsbm.png	[19:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1YwGVD0 )	[19:48]
ben_vulpes	pete_dushenski: "hispanics"?	[19:53]
pete_dushenski	not black ?	[19:53]
ben_vulpes	propaganda dept does not have their shit together	[19:53]
pete_dushenski	and suspect =! offender	[19:54]
pete_dushenski	white men obviously put chico up to the task. obviously.	[19:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6061 @#64; 0.00049672 = 3.0106 BTC [+]	[19:55]
ben_vulpes	also a hilarious thing, "mexican supremacists"	[19:55]
ben_vulpes	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Biblioteca_del_Senado_de_la_Provincia_-_52_-_Por_una_raza_fuerte%2C_laboriosa%2C_pacifista_y_soberana.jpg/1280px-Biblioteca_del_Senado_de_la_Provincia_-_52_-_Por_una_raza_fuerte%2C_laboriosa%2C_pacifista_y_soberana.jpg	[19:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1lMZAw7 )	[19:56]
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pete_dushenski	"mexicanos supremos" sounds like the next taco bell special dish. "con queso!"	[19:56]
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ben_vulpes	leastaways for now.	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	this exists here. "suprema", it's an omlet.	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	;;google suprema de pollo	[19:58]
gribble	Supremas de pollo a la Maryland - Clarín: ; Suprema de pollo rellena con hongos - Ignacio Reborati Cocinado ...: ; 3 formas de hacer pechugas de pollo - wikiHow:	[19:58]
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jurov	https://news.bitcoin.com/tixie-bitcoin-price-ticker-can-keep-next-bed/	[20:07]
assbot	Tixie: The Bitcoin Price Ticker You Can Keep Next to the Bed - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwHWuF )	[20:07]
jurov	problem sleeping? no more!!!1	[20:07]
jurov	"Tixie’s display has four settings; it checks the current price of Bitcoin, shows two account balances, time, and local temperature."	[20:09]
fluffypony	https://i.imgur.com/SmpAlZ8.jpg	[20:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1lN0Hfg )	[20:11]
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ben_vulpes	http://realcointickers.com/	[20:16]
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ben_vulpes	"We will deliver the first batch of Tixies early 2016 with dedicated support."	[20:16]
ben_vulpes	support for a clock	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	well it's a product of this millenium. it dun work.	[20:18]
BingoBoingo	FPH is going mainstream "If you need a wheelchair to go grocery shopping because you're too obese to walk, you deserve to die." http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2015/11/tila-tequila-goes-insane-on-twitter-obese-people-deserve-to-die/	[20:23]
assbot	Tila Tequila Goes INSANE on Twitter: Obese People Deserve to Die! I Have a Giant Penis! - The Hollywood Gossip ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwIW1M )	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	she's a little corky herself isn't she ?	[20:24]
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BingoBoingo	Yeah, but any news is good news for the cause.	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	"She could be mentally ill, or she may just be the ultimate troll, but either way, Tila's latest Twitter rant might be one of the great social media meltdowns of all time:"	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	or it may be that she's right.	[20:25]
BingoBoingo	Sanity is Insanity	[20:25]
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mircea_popescu	and also that some idiot site on the net doesn't have a functional comment box	[20:25]
pete_dushenski	tila tequila went joo then lizard-nazi shortly thereafter. definitely corky.	[20:26]
BingoBoingo	I don't really know many sites outside of #b-a who do. Even most wp installs have shit comment boxes nao	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	for srs.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	gotta have the reddit spambots, the cloudflare anal deflower and the disqus comment washing process.	[20:27]
BingoBoingo	Because most wordpress anymore isn't "WordPress" but WordPress+AssPackJEt	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	web 2.shithead.	[20:27]
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BingoBoingo	re: broken comment box https://imgur.com/gallery/WwGutPI	[20:32]
assbot	So this is what I dealt with today at my LA Fitness Pool - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwJnt0 )	[20:32]
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pete_dushenski	lel	[20:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @#64; 0.00050252 = 5.578 BTC [+] {2}	[21:01]
pete_dushenski	https://imgur.com/gallery/FVSPM2I << caption contest	[21:01]
assbot	Sometimes stupidity can actually save your ass. (or luck yeah I'll go with luck) - GIF on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1kVQI7e )	[21:01]
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pete_dushenski	https://imgur.com/gallery/xRtBd << heh. 'niggermancer'.	[21:10]
assbot	Green text adventure - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1kVRq4v )	[21:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @#64; 0.00049683 = 19.3267 BTC [-] {5}	[21:49]
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BingoBoingo	!up brg444	[22:22]
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BingoBoingo	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MPXkxXMOGW0/VPu7vanbYCI/AAAAAAAAE7M/EVa5obvbQFw/s1600/speed.jpg	[22:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NREH9y )	[22:22]
brg444	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331575 have you been there pete_duchenski ?	[22:24]
assbot	Logged on 26-11-2015 00:09:08; pete_dushenski: to celebrate the belated arrival of winter today, some photos of nature (that i didn't take) from my neck of the woods http://www.hecktictravels.com/rocky-mountains-alberta-canada and some rather charming urban shots of winter a few provinces over http://www.hecktictravels.com/winter-in-quebec	[22:24]
brg444	oops	[22:24]
brg444	pete_dushenski **	[22:24]
pete_dushenski	lol quebec city ? ya, i've been there.	[22:25]
pete_dushenski	though i'm definitely due to go back.	[22:25]
pete_dushenski	brg444: you been ?	[22:25]
brg444	I live there!	[22:25]
pete_dushenski	ha!	[22:26]
pete_dushenski	brg444: well how's winter been treating you thus far ?	[22:26]
brg444	well temperature today was in the 50s so can't really call it winter yet	[22:28]
brg444	not an inch of snow anywhere too	[22:28]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[22:28]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 352.38, vol: 35567.26770237 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 343.092, vol: 28729.8976 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 353.06, vol: 78502.26452297 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 343.0, vol: 6.63353917 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 352.682, vol: 115651.17090000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 350.56001, vol: 115.79862027 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 346.696002011, vol: 350.09485251 \| Volume-weighted last (1 more message)	[22:29]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[22:29]
gribble	average: 351.681730941	[22:29]
brg444	strange thing this "global warming" ^^	[22:29]
BingoBoingo	Monday we had some snowflakes here. Today it was nearly 70. Typical weather for this region.	[22:29]
pete_dushenski	brg444: wtf get your fahrenheit outta here. unless quebec turned into bagdad since i last visited !	[22:30]
pete_dushenski	but edmonton just had its first snow this week. bizarrely tardy.	[22:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30504 @#64; 0.00050277 = 15.3365 BTC [+] {2}	[22:31]
*	BingoBoingo a fan of using all the temperature scales without specifying the scale, kelvin exempt.	[22:32]
BingoBoingo	kelvin for the next few hundred thousand years is too outlier to troll people by using it to describe weather	[22:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17676 @#64; 0.00050473 = 8.9216 BTC [+] {5}	[22:34]
brg444	tbf I'm certainly not complaining, last winter was around coldest on record so can't say I'm too anxious to revisit this	[22:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @#64; 0.00050745 = 5.0491 BTC [+]	[22:35]
brg444	btw pete_dushenski was reading your last article on contravex. great stuff as usual but noticed a typo, if you care: 2nd "exclusivity" should be "exclusive"?	[22:36]
pete_dushenski	right you are ! thx.	[22:37]
pete_dushenski	and fxd.	[22:38]
BingoBoingo	Oh, pete_dushenski made a bingo	[22:38]
pete_dushenski	bahaha so it would seem	[22:38]
pete_dushenski	what do i win ?	[22:38]
pete_dushenski	or does only first bingo win...	[22:38]
BingoBoingo	You win getting to type "fxd" in chan	[22:39]
brg444	might as well mention "c'est à dire" should really be "c'est-à-dire"...	[22:39]
pete_dushenski	so it is. i blame my sources..	[22:42]
brg444	I was always curious, where did you pick up this french from?	[22:43]
pete_dushenski	this french ? like my french or the quote ?	[22:43]
brg444	sorry, yes, your french	[22:44]
pete_dushenski	aha. i attended french immersion through to grade 5, which really isn't much, but my mother also grew up on montreal and we spoke a bit of french at home. i've also visited montreal at least once a year since i was born, so i've always had a bit of a refresher when out in public. lastly, i joined a french-catholic choir last year and they speak and write in french exclusively.	[22:47]
pete_dushenski	that, plus some spanish classes in high school helped to flesh out my latin-language base.	[22:48]
pete_dushenski	i also have a couple friends who also attended french immersion, but through to grade 12, and we occasionally exchange a few sentences, which is better than nothing :)	[22:50]
pete_dushenski	and now, as i speak it out loud to mein heir on a daily basis, i'm practicing more than i have since i was 10 years old !	[22:51]
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pete_dushenski	!up brg444	[22:53]
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brg444	that's great. I guess that's better than 99% of english speaking canada can pretend to	[22:55]
pete_dushenski	that's a plausible enough figure :)	[22:55]
brg444	I'm guessing you also dared take the plunge into the literature as well? (Bastiat, etc.)	[22:58]
pete_dushenski	my delving into french literature thus far has been pretty limited, a bit of verne and exupery mostly.	[23:00]
pete_dushenski	i'm off for now. bon soir, les gars !	[23:07]
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brg444	Bonne soirée!	[23:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16076 @#64; 0.00050765 = 8.161 BTC [+]	[23:30]
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