Forum logs for 28 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yeah it puts stuff into perspective	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html	[00:02]
ozbot	Internet troll personality study: Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy, sadism.	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	notice that it's published by the... climate desk.	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	ever since the 90s, various pompous idiots du jour have been rehashing thins nonsense about "how bad trolls are".	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	an exact mirroring of the infinite hitpoints problem : society strictly exists because of the trolls.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, there's an infinite supply of pompous idiots, and an infinite supply of fecal "consensus" these shitheads readily adhere to.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	so please, everyone with half a brain cell : if you've not trolled someone this week, do so.	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	preferably someone with a large ideological support structure : a feminist, a race warrior, something.	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	anti-inequality folks work too.	[00:04]
fluffypony	I've been trolling bitcointalk hard, does that count?	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[00:05]
dub	tbh by looking at bitcointalk you are being trolled so, no	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't really matter if he	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	s winning or losing	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	just as long as he's not "sharing" or w/e bullshit the bovines engage in.	[00:07]
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dub	i'd suggest by his handle that he'll never get to play ata ll	[00:10]
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dub	how did gypsycon go anyway?	[00:16]
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mircea_popescu	what's wrong with his handle ?!	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	http://www.msfraud.org/ny-judge-in-largest-bankruptcy-case-in-history-receives-irs-&-sec-whistleblower-filing_4-14.html	[00:17]
ozbot	NY Judge in Largest Bankruptcy Case in History Receives IRS & SEC	[00:17]
dub	nothing at all, throwin up brony gang signs is perfectly normal, like an anime forum avatar	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	so guy's looking like a brony. you figure that hurts ?	[00:19]
dub	it doesnt hurt me but it puts him in the same bucket as ukyo	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	was Ukyo's wife blonde ?	[00:20]
dub	i didnt think it was legal for a 13 y/o tp marry in texas	[00:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06767001 = 0.1353 BTC [-] {2}	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	well so then, http://trilema.com/2014/fuck-me-fuck-you/	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	different buckets.	[00:23]
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mircea_popescu	!up bawse	[00:24]
assbot	Voicing bawse for 30 minutes.	[00:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0349999 = 0.35 BTC [+]	[00:25]
dub	a) the gender of that thing is unclear b) looks like a shitty 'your message here' generator things	[00:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0349999 = 0.35 BTC [+]	[00:26]
fluffypony	dub: normal res - http://i.imgur.com/yOY2zMO.jpg	[00:26]
dub	that is shopped I can tell by the pixels and etcetc	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	dub, is that urmom ?	[00:27]
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mircea_popescu	and besides, women have dogchins all the time. doesn't mean they're trannies.	[00:28]
dub	true and not much room for dick in dem pants	[00:29]
dub	I thought of you while in cambodia mp	[00:29]
dub	interesting study of the nigger dilemna there, a generation ago all the smart people were removed	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	how come ?	[00:30]
dub	well pol pot	[00:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [+]	[00:31]
dub	khmer rouge etc, but they were subjugated long before that and still are	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	ah.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	yea.	[00:32]
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dub	they just don't seem to have any means to improve, under the 'murica way type bullshit sentiment capitalism relies on	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	so what do they do	[00:34]
dub	they slave	[00:34]
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mircea_popescu	cool.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	i really have no fucking sympathy for peoples that failed to protect their elites.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	they should slave. forever.	[00:35]
dub	one of my guides was a teenage guy with some english, works 7 days a week for a french operated tour for 5 months to pay for 1 month of 1 hour a day of schooling	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	cool kid. so did you take him out ?	[00:37]
dub	thats almost all of the kids	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	so pick one.	[00:37]
dub	thats not how it is supposed to work	[00:38]
dub	he's supposed to be able to get out right?	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	not on his own.	[00:38]
dub	his parents survived meaning they farm rice	[00:39]
dub	probably only enough to sustain their 9 kids	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	well yeah.	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	his parents failed to die fighting pol pot to protect the cool people of cambodia	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	which means their kid now has to depend on random people's charity.	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	sucks for him, too, seeing how the random people in a position to be charitable are trained not to be.	[00:40]
dub	they probably fought for pol pot, it was a chinese backed communist coup	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	so then the kid definitely should not be able to get out.	[00:40]
dub	(which the UN and international community continued to back 20 years after the genocide)	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	which is why rather than paying tax you'd be better off picking kids off the street in cambodia	[00:41]
dub	its not a solution	[00:42]
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dub	the majority of his peers have inhereted their parents placitude meaning he's isolated, he can't build useful networks or get much help from anyone	[00:48]
dub	they also suffer the usual religious crippling with extra helpings of ancient superstition	[00:50]
dub	and now their former overlords (frenchies) or western capitalists own all the means of production and basically work the native population to death	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	you keep being fixated on this self-made thing.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	that works in a different sort of society, one that's not made out of fuckwits.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	in this kids' case, he'll have to find a master. a good one.	[00:53]
dub	the kid was not exceptional	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[00:54]
bitcoinpete	http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/	[00:55]
ozbot	Some basic discussion of charity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[00:55]
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benkay	dub: what comments section, yo?	[00:55]
dub	so, any auxillary factor or guradian angel bullshit aside, they are fucked	[00:55]
dub	benkay: ur blawg, i gave you my blog commenting virginity and you snubbed me	[00:57]
benkay	comments work, just email it in	[00:57]
benkay	what is my email broken too?	[00:57]
dub	clearly in several ways	[00:57]
dub	it didnt accept smtp at first so I used some remailer	[00:58]
benkay	what are you going on about	[01:00]
benkay	benkay@gmail.com	[01:00]
dub	mp: point is the 'any man can claw his way north' politics that lets most people sleep an night is clearly bunk here	[01:00]
benkay	nobody's clawing their way north, speshully in teh us	[01:02]
dub	yes google don't grok smtp	[01:03]
dub	checed spam maybe? I don't care enough to reauthor	[01:03]
dub	it was about why +m is retarded	[01:04]
benkay	encrypted tends to make it through uninterdicted	[01:04]
benkay	yup right there in spam	[01:04]
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dub	one way to filter comment spam I guess	[01:05]
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mircea_popescu	dub claw his way north, aye, but not as far as he feels like.	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	as far as he can.	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	!up SatoshiJack	[01:10]
assbot	Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.	[01:10]
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mircea_popescu	dub you can dump why +m is retarded right here lol	[01:10]
SatoshiJack	Hey thanks MP.	[01:10]
dub	I couldnt at the time :)	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo there ?	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	so no longer retarded ?	[01:11]
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dub	he'll post it, tl;dr its a dumb way to fix spam but a coll experiment in circle jerks	[01:12]
dub	cool*	[01:12]
fluffypony	I don't think the issue is spam	[01:14]
dub	initially was iirc?	[01:15]
ThickAsThieves	not sure how to prove it, but it does seem we've had more frequent and better new users show up	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	http://mpex.co/?mpsic=F.MPIF <<	[01:15]
ozbot	F.MPIF last @0.00000000	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	pls to check it out, ima sign it if nobody finds typos.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	dub it's not really intended to fight spam. it's intended to foster good quality circle jerking.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	the sort that then stomps on the balls of everyone else and sends them to work in the mines of cambodia	[01:16]
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mircea_popescu	i swear, twitter has got the art and science of making it look like shit happened when nothing occured down to a fine point.	[01:17]
dub	ThickAsThieves: indistinguishable from removing the casual derptroll imo	[01:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0349998 = 0.455 BTC [-]	[01:17]
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fluffypony	dub: not so	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	it's like... "198470598094385 updates!!11" then you look... three people favourited five things.	[01:18]
dub	ThickAsThieves: which is easily achieved with ops	[01:18]
fluffypony	people hang around and first figure out "ohey I can't talk"	[01:18]
fluffypony	then they figure out why	[01:18]
fluffypony	then they watch for a bit	[01:18]
fluffypony	then eventually they talk	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	dub the impersonality of it is quite important. people are otherwise too inclined to figure " ican't talk because x is mean"	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	rather than "well... guess what... i suck"	[01:18]
fluffypony	instead of the normal join -> derp -> "hey here's a link to my IPO for AwesomeCasino 3.9"	[01:18]
jurov	assbot is mean!	[01:21]
fluffypony	meanness level = so ?	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	According to court documents, the second amended Joint Chapter 11 Plan, approved on December 13, 2013 allows for the liquidation of hundreds of billions of dollars worth of homeowners’ mortgages to legendary business billionaire magnate—the fourth richest man in the world, according to Forbes, Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway, Inc. and Ocwen Loan Servicing, L.L.C.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	The bankruptcy terms allows Berkshire Hathaway and Ocwen to purchase over $400 billion worth of mortgages and RMBS trusts for less than $5 billion. Once these mortgages are sold, Berkshire Hathaway and Ocwen will be bankruptcy remote. That means that once the mortgage assets are sold to them, American homeowners, like Morse, will not be able to obtain, through discovery, in judicial proceedings, the documents pertainin	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	g to their mortgages to determine if there is an issue with their property’s chain of title or verify if there is a free, clear and legally traceable ownership of their homes.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	In effect, mortgage records of millions of American homeowners would be destroyed.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	this entire fannie and freddie saga is becoming gnarlier each year.	[01:24]
benkay	!up Mats_cd03	[01:27]
assbot	Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.	[01:27]
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dub	im in a channel where everyone is usually oped, has a similar effect on SNR, people assume no bullshit will fly	[01:27]
Mats_cd03	sankq	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	what channel is that ?	[01:27]
dub	in fact, in ~15 years a cant recal seeing anyone kicked	[01:27]
Mats_cd03	was looking at craigslist today... http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/roo/4430556569.html	[01:28]
Mats_cd03	^_^	[01:28]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: 2.2 (c) - one year should be hyphenated	[01:29]
fluffypony	Mats_cd03: you should take that offer, sounds great and not rapey	[01:29]
dub	its on a network with no services and most of the people have 1 or 2 degrees RL separation, all net eng types	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	dub so 20 people and 500 lines a week ?	[01:30]
Mats_cd03	ya dude hes straight im good	[01:31]
dub	bigger than that, used to regularly produce more content than here	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	i doubt that.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	#freenode doesn't produce more crap than here.	[01:31]
dub	lol	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	anyway. this thing is freely and amply advertised. your shyness in naming the other clearly makes the point :	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	they're not the same.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	;;ud snr	[01:33]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snr \| SNR. Stoke to Nut Ratio. How many strokes it takes one to ejaculate. Don Juan: Hey I just beat my SNR record; I just hit 36! (Dirty Six) Nigga: Cool Story Bro, ...	[01:33]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: snr	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	oic.	[01:33]
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mircea_popescu	!up bawse	[01:34]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: otherwise it looks all good	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	im not hyphenating any one years, what is this, britain ?	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/24/cops-found-nothing-in-raid-so-they-planted-drugs-to-frame-innocent-woman/	[01:36]
ozbot	Lawsuit: Cops found nothing in raid, so they PLANTED DRUGS to frame innocent woman \| The Daily Calle	[01:36]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: pfffft, then you should go and change authorised to authorized :-P	[01:37]
Mats_cd03	http://vixandmore.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-correction-as-seen-in-etp-landscape.html	[01:37]
ozbot	VIX and More: The Correction As Seen in the ETP Landscape	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony :p	[01:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 227 @ 0.00445268 = 1.0108 BTC [+] {2}	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmOjk6VCEAEBBvq.jpg	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	iceland electricity is moar eco friendly than your electricity	[01:39]
fluffypony	such design	[01:40]
Mats_cd03	http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/04/25/a_breakdown_of_chinas_new_social_classes	[01:40]
ozbot	China's New Class Hierarchy: A Guide	[01:40]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03400064 = 0.34 BTC [-]	[01:41]
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mircea_popescu	!up Ken`	[01:52]
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Ken`	:)	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	so who're you ?	[01:54]
bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/JuicyGrabs/status/460533893473796096 <	[01:55]
ozbot	Twitter / JuicyGrabs: @danielpbarron What? Haha. ...	[01:55]
fluffypony	Bed time, cheers	[01:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0349998 = 0.245 BTC [+]	[01:58]
Ken`	mircea_popescu: I trade options (US stock market) and bitcoin	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	that'd be what.	[01:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0349999 = 0.245 BTC [+]	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	http://juicygrabs.blogspot.com < nice blog.	[02:00]
bitcoinpete	it's quite primarily colourful	[02:01]
Ken`	looks like a copy of zerohedge at first glance	[02:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0409999 = 0.451 BTC [+]	[02:01]
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bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/27/philanthropy-not-power/	[02:05]
ozbot	“Philanthropy.” Not Power. \| When Bitcoin Met Pete	[02:05]
bitcoinpete	and with that, i be off to dinner. cheers.	[02:05]
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ThickAsThieves	<+Mats_cd03> was looking at craigslist today... http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/roo/4430556569.html /// lol I lived in new bedford	[02:08]
ThickAsThieves	cant quite suss what that guy is up to	[02:08]
ThickAsThieves	just a man wanting to live in a world where his dick can bulge free?	[02:09]
ThickAsThieves	looks like an atc rally today	[02:10]
ThickAsThieves	ATC @ 0.00000230 BTC	[02:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]	[02:12]
ThickAsThieves	"as much as 69 percent of extra virgin olive oil in the US is substandard"	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	i can attest to this	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	a pain to get decent olive oil	[02:15]
mike_c	"The named individual is in fact at the time of this agreement the sole proprietor and operator of both named corporations,"	[02:16]
mike_c	sounds odd when disucussing pif	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	h,	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	hm	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	yeah maybe not the best wording. still, i am controlling both things, and so forth.	[02:17]
mike_c	yes, just made me scratch my head for a second, and scroll back up to see if pif was a corporation.	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	well what else.	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	hedge funds are in fact corporations.	[02:18]
kakobrekla	llcs :)	[02:19]
mike_c	idk. 'sole proprietor' and 'public corporation' are mutually exclusive, no?	[02:19]
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mircea_popescu	where does it say "public corporation" ?	[02:21]
mike_c	sole proprietor means you get all the money.	[02:21]
mike_c	it does not say public corporation. but you are issuing shares.	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	but issuing shares after the agreemnet.	[02:21]
kakobrekla	where is that from anyway?	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla teh f.mpif	[02:21]
kakobrekla	i dont see the contract up?	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	but it is.	[02:22]
mike_c	http://mpex.co/?mpsic=F.MPIF	[02:22]
ozbot	F.MPIF last @0.00000000	[02:22]
kakobrekla	ah	[02:22]
kakobrekla	im blind	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	as well as large.	[02:22]
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mike_c	perhaps "The named individual is in fact at the time of this agreement the sole proprietor of MPIF and the operator of MPEx, and they were represented..."	[02:23]
mike_c	but, other than that nitpick the contract read fine to me.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	yeah, it's misstated but i can't see what exactly it'd impact	[02:25]
benkay	dub i pub'd your comment	[02:31]
benkay	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	the irony here being that his comment about moderation ended up in spam	[02:31]
benkay	encrypt or die	[02:32]
benkay	a few suggestions on +m:	[02:32]
benkay	- auto up.	[02:32]
benkay	(if auth'd)	[02:32]
benkay	- some mechanism for new blood to signal they'd like voice	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	benkay do i have to install some sort of special software to see these comments ?	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	benkay why should they signal ? if anyone sees some interesting looking new people they can voice them.	[02:33]
benkay	they're hidden.	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	it's a pull not a push	[02:33]
kakobrekla	i can see the comment	[02:34]
benkay	so that when i'm on a roaming connection i can get everyone's attention for the !up at once lol	[02:34]
kakobrekla	no css will get you that	[02:35]
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mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/7DGR6Fc.jpg	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	!up Lee-	[02:36]
assbot	Voicing Lee- for 30 minutes.	[02:36]
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mircea_popescu	!up mircea_popescu	[02:36]
assbot	Really, mircea_popescu?	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	sucks that got fixed ;/	[02:36]
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kakobrekla	benkay bouncer	[02:37]
benkay	got one kako	[02:37]
benkay	dun always take keys into hostile turf tho	[02:37]
kakobrekla	but you could code your bnc to accept some disposable sekrit to !up you remotley	[02:38]
benkay	some days i'm just hopping onto an available web client and don't feel like iterating through the list of people i know in the chan manually to get upped	[02:38]
Duffer1	if anyone needs ups i'm usually lurking pm me	[02:39]
benkay	that's...	[02:39]
benkay	that erodes even more of IRC's vaunted flexibility, kakobrekla .	[02:39]
dub	yep, I was in singapore airport yesterday tried to get someones attention in here, no dice	[02:39]
dub	fuck if Im taking keys to somewhere my bank balance alone is more than 1000 people earn in their lifetime	[02:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 149 @ 0.00755 = 1.125 BTC [-] {4}	[02:41]
benkay	dub dear could i beg a favor	[02:42]
benkay	wouldja be so kind as to clearsign that comment?	[02:42]
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dub	its kinda a pita but ok	[02:43]
benkay	nm then	[02:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.00755 = 0.3775 BTC [-]	[02:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0345 = 0.1035 BTC [+] {2}	[02:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]	[02:45]
dub	gribble needs that widget	[02:46]
benkay	which widget?	[02:46]
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Duffer1	"To be an investor you simply need to invest money. There is no minimum or qualifications like you imagine." - Jimmothy	[02:47]
dub	well no, but a gribble signed pastebin oslt	[02:47]
Duffer1	is there bitcointalk !bash?	[02:47]
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mircea_popescu	i wonder if we could have !atc	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 yes. bitcointalk.	[02:49]
mike_c	mod6 made a bot that lives in #altcoin. does a lot of cool atc stats.	[02:50]
Duffer1	god why do i find that depressing	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	mod6 add it ?	[02:51]
dub	Duffer1: don't read anything else that mouthbreather fingerfarts then he's 100$ retarded	[02:51]
Duffer1	%?	[02:52]
benkay	a hundred dollars retarded!	[02:52]
dub	no $	[02:52]
danielpbarron	hah, finally caught up with reading the scroll back; time for dinner :Q	[02:52]
benkay	;;ud fingerfart	[02:52]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Finger%20Fart \| "Mom, the teacher said I made too many finger farts on my research paper". by The Bandit Donny August 23, 2008. 8 5. Mugs & shirts Buy “Finger Fart” mugs & ...	[02:52]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: Finger Fart	[02:52]
dub	newfags? http://www.copypasta.info/2010/02/100-serious.html	[02:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03450458 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {2}	[02:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.03400009 = 0.782 BTC [-] {5}	[02:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00095537 = 5.3501 BTC [+]	[03:04]
mod6	ahh, yeah made that bot that does atc stats. want me to add it in here mp?	[03:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	"Congrats to talented and beautiful @LaurenMBias for her award from @NYULYP for commitment to community, philanthropy and entrepreneurism."	[03:07]
dub	hmm the farm I buy my olive oil from has been for sale for a while, IPO?	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	ima get a fucking aneurism.	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	mod6 please	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	"All but one of the individual winners of Pulitzer Prizes in journalism this year were male." << this is particularly funny in romanian	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	;;ud puli	[03:09]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Puli \| A massive chav; someone with no class. Often fond of wearing tracksuits, caps and gold chains.	[03:09]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: Puli	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	;;ud pula	[03:09]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pula \| pula. the Romanian word for dick/cock. Imi bag pula-n mãta. Esti o pulã bleagã. Sugi pula la ... "Mooom, would you give me 5 pula i wanna buy a condom". "Look ...	[03:09]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: pula	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	well puli is teh plural.	[03:09]
mod6	Ok, will do. It has the ability to broadcast x-bt atc/btc trades as well, its not turned on by default.	[03:10]
mod6	Let me know if you'd like that as well.	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	that may be a little much	[03:10]
mod6	agreed.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	maybe have it print the day's average once a day ?	[03:11]
mod6	it has a !ticker command. that should suffice.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	can it do that ? like 23 @ 0.03400009 = 0.782 BTC {144} sort of thing	[03:11]
kakobrekla	on demand is fine really	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	or that yes. better.	[03:11]
mod6	nod	[03:11]
mod6	one moment	[03:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00095704 = 1.8184 BTC [+]	[03:12]
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mod6	!up BitOTTer839	[03:13]
assbot	Voicing BitOTTer839 for 30 minutes.	[03:13]
*	assbot gives voice to BitOTTer839	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	!ticker	[03:13]
assbot	Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?	[03:13]
BitOTTer839	[X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	needs a diff control sequence huh	[03:13]
kakobrekla	change the prefix or command	[03:13]
mod6	ok, give me a minute. i'll change it to like '%' or something	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	~ ?	[03:13]
kakobrekla	!! ?	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	!!ticker	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	doesn't that bother assbot ?	[03:14]
kakobrekla	i wouldnt think so, but whatever.	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	mod6 also, make it short. ~t	[03:14]
kakobrekla	you can do 8====D if you want	[03:14]
mod6	lol	[03:15]
kakobrekla	and 8=D for short tiny one.	[03:15]
mod6	ok mp, i'll add another short code for it.	[03:15]
mod6	haha	[03:15]
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mircea_popescu	so this makes how many bots, 7 ?	[03:15]
mod6	so '%' ok then? i don't want to interfere with assbot	[03:15]
kakobrekla	4 ?	[03:16]
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mircea_popescu	!up pankkake	[03:16]
BingoBoingo	artifexd: I'll decline to comment on what I may or may not be doing to ATC prices	[03:16]
assbot	Voicing pankkake for 30 minutes.	[03:16]
*	assbot gives voice to pankkake	[03:16]
kakobrekla	ass gribs ozzy and now bitotter	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	mpexbot	[03:16]
kakobrekla	ugly name btw!	[03:16]
*	assbot gives voice to pankkake	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	there's the scammer hunter bot	[03:16]
kakobrekla	right that thing.	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	that's 6. was another too	[03:17]
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mircea_popescu	!up pizzaman1338	[03:17]
assbot	Voicing pizzaman1338 for 30 minutes.	[03:17]
*	assbot gives voice to pizzaman1338	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot pizzaman1338	[03:17]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user pizzaman1338: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=pizzaman1338 \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=pizzaman1338 \| Rated since: never	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	meh.	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	;;rate pizzaman1338 1 New blood.	[03:17]
gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.	[03:17]
kakobrekla	its 1337 in the wot	[03:17]
pankkake	isn't it 1337?	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	it is ?	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	;;rate pizzaman1337	[03:18]
gribble	(rate []) -- Enters a rating for in the amount of . Use optional field to enter any notes you have about this user. must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.	[03:18]
kakobrekla	you also rated him already	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	a ok.	[03:18]
*	mircea_popescu reaches for his lechitin	[03:18]
pankkake	came to say reading http://www.reddit.com/user/JuicyGrabs has been my dirty pleasure	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	pankkake did you ragequit earlier ?	[03:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00095704 = 25.4573 BTC [+]	[03:18]
pankkake	I am a ragequitter at heart	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaha	[03:19]
dub	french after all	[03:19]
pankkake	anyway	[03:19]
pankkake	yeah, perhaps	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	dude i never made someone ragequit before.	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	and i thought you werre supposed to be like a pro troll or some shit anyway	[03:19]
thestringpuller	https://www.startup.sx/ << has this been discussed?	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla crypton is also a bot.	[03:19]
kakobrekla	what for	[03:20]
pankkake	I'm a cocotte minute	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller this'd better be about sex.	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	"A Regulated Global Marketplace for Startup Investing and Funding"	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	meh	[03:20]
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mod6	!up BitOTTer872	[03:22]
assbot	Voicing BitOTTer872 for 30 minutes.	[03:22]
*	assbot gives voice to BitOTTer872	[03:22]
mod6	%t	[03:22]
BitOTTer872	[X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192	[03:22]
mod6	%help	[03:22]
BitOTTer872	%t \| %ticker \| %book \| %diff \| %tx \| %bal \| %atc_mined \| %block \| %last_block \| %cm_rate \| %ptp_rate	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller no about page other than a desk.com account, and a bunch of spinoff websites (http://curacao.sgggroup.com/en/dutch-carribbean-securities-exchange ) etc.	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	quite snugly fit on the scam stock exchange mo. bitcoin as a bonus i guess.	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	%book	[03:24]
BitOTTer872	[X-BT] ASK: 70000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000248 BTC	[03:24]
BitOTTer872	[X-BT] ASK: 10000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000245 BTC	[03:24]
BitOTTer872	[X-BT] ASK: 65000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000240 BTC	[03:24]
BitOTTer872	[X-BT] BID: 99000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000200 BTC	[03:24]
BitOTTer872	[X-BT] BID: 100000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000170 BTC	[03:24]
BitOTTer872	[X-BT] BID: 75000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000160 BTC	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	mod6 srsly needs to put it all on one line	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	preferably 70k@248 10k@245 65k@240 \| 99k @200 100k @170 etc	[03:25]
mod6	ok. ill work on that a bit. that's probably the most verbose one. all the others are one line iirc.	[03:25]
mod6	give me a few here...	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	no big rush	[03:25]
BingoBoingo	%mined	[03:25]
BingoBoingo	%atc_mined	[03:26]
BitOTTer872	[ATC Mined] ATC Mined (to date): 15500800 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 5.77	[03:26]
pankkake	%tslb	[03:26]
mod6	%last_block	[03:27]
BitOTTer872	[ATC Last Block] Height: 30276 Time: 2014-04-27T23:21:28Z Vout Sum: 1024 Number TXs: 2 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 00000000000003dd8261d1ee537732c6b0434f21e16cf0cf31d40d032ebd7559 Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 779 Days Destroyed: 704 Confirmations: 1	[03:27]
kakobrekla	did you register his nick?	[03:27]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: like how they say it's "regulated"	[03:27]
kakobrekla	er, its nick	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	mod6 %lb ?	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller "Kapil Bhatia Kapil Bhatia is in the digital banking industry in Qatar. " << that happens to be a common name and also the name of some indian billionaire.	[03:28]
kakobrekla	i can add him to cs if the nick is reg	[03:28]
mod6	kako: no not yet.	[03:28]
mod6	(i mean, i haven't regiestered it yet)	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	the guy they depict however is none of those, and moreover the only reference yo ucan find to "SSX Advisors Corp" is on their own websites.	[03:28]
mod6	It has a random 1-1000 number on the end, I can make it just 'BitOTTer' though.	[03:29]
kakobrekla	is that free even	[03:29]
kakobrekla	and whats with the capital 'OTT'	[03:29]
kakobrekla	i dun get it	[03:29]
mod6	ok, lemme hack in a few changes. i'll leave this one connected for the time being.	[03:29]
mod6	it's all part of the tools "Bitcoin Options Trade Tool" package/suite	[03:30]
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kakobrekla	ah i thought it was 'Over The Top'	[03:30]
mod6	haha, it might be.	[03:30]
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kakobrekla	if its atc specific you might call it something related to taht	[03:31]
dub	scambot	[03:32]
pankkake	buttbott	[03:32]
pankkake	but I like scambot	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller on the other hand, their domain whois claims it was reg'd by Brian Niessen, who is an actual somebody.	[03:32]
kakobrekla	scambot you say? might as well just call it max keiser then	[03:33]
peterl	mircea_popescu: looking at mpif contract, "The General Manager may also destroy Fund shares the Fund holds at any point", does the manager take out btc, or do the shares just get destroyed?	[03:34]
mod6	lol	[03:34]
mod6	i'll call it 'atcbot' that would make the most sense.	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	Registrant Name: Brian Niessen Registrant Organization: SSX Holdings CorpRegistrant Street: PO Box PW 5334 Registrant Street: Babrow Building Registrant City: The Valley Registrant Country: ANGUILLA	[03:34]
kakobrekla	call it atcmax	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	peterl if the fund owns them, they can just get destroyed	[03:34]
peterl	aha, misread, missed the "the fund holds", nevermind	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	yeah the venue is basically if pc5 ends up with too many shares	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller anyway, i dropped them a tweet, maybe they show up and impress.	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	"It's lame in a way you are more concerned about privacy of your "bank account" than creating and promoting growth and fostering a close tight knit community. It's more important to you your MSC stake or "bank account" stays private than fostering closer tie with the community who allowed you to have this "bank account" in the first place."	[03:39]
thestringpuller	http://i.imgur.com/E5rZVJU.png - winter in romania	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	pankkake ok the guy's kinda amusing. almost livejournal level	[03:40]
BingoBoingo	.d	[03:40]
ozbot	6.979 billion \| Next Diff in 309 blocks \| Estimated Change: 15.0921% in 1d 19h 34m 31s	[03:40]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/a-nins-3.jpg	[03:41]
thestringpuller	lol is she peeing?	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	yea	[03:43]
thestringpuller	unabashful	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	me 1 imgur 0. yay.	[03:43]
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mod6	is this acceptable?	[03:50]
mod6	(17:50) < atcbot> 70000@0.00000248 10000@0.00000245 65000@0.00000240 \| 99000@0.00000200 100000@0.00000170 75000@0.00000160	[03:50]
kakobrekla	seems fine to me	[03:51]
mod6	ok, thx.	[03:52]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 981 @ 0.00095537 = 0.9372 BTC [-]	[03:54]
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mircea_popescu	nice.	[03:55]
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mod6	!up atcbot	[03:56]
assbot	Voicing atcbot for 30 minutes.	[03:56]
*	assbot gives voice to atcbot	[03:56]
mod6	ty :)	[03:56]
mod6	%t	[03:56]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192	[03:56]
mod6	%book	[03:56]
atcbot	70000@0.00000248 10000@0.00000245 65000@0.00000240 \| 99000@0.00000200 100000@0.00000170 75000@0.00000160	[03:56]
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mircea_popescu	mod6 srsly tho, try cutting the 3 0s in the first term to k	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	and express as satoshi rather than bitcoin	[03:57]
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thestringpuller	oh shit game of thrones	[03:59]
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-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[10:43]
*	assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	%t	[10:44]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 155 Ask: 200 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 1770k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 186	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	%b	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	%book	[10:45]
atcbot	10k@245 65k@240 2k@200 \| 10k@155 10k@151 100k@150	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	mod6 splendid :D	[10:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00095857 = 22.7181 BTC [+] {3}	[10:46]
Apocalyptic	24h-Vol: 1770k // that's like the monthly volume last month	[10:46]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic lol growth eh ?	[10:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0345 = 0.1035 BTC [+]	[10:47]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 1770000*186	[10:47]
gribble	329220000	[10:47]
mircea_popescu	3.x btc ? getting to be pretty respectable for a scamcoin.	[10:47]
mircea_popescu	Naphex http://trilema.com/2012/im-sick/#comment-99383 :p	[10:49]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: mornings	[10:51]
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mircea_popescu	hey.	[10:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00095934 = 5.8999 BTC [+] {2}	[10:52]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I've been flipping through the MPOE account statements for a blog post on running a profitable BTC business, is there a cumulative count of dividends paid per share that you've published at any point?	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	yes, but it's old. lemme see ehre.	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/	[10:53]
ozbot	MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	if you'd find it within your heart to publish the 2nd year of dividends, same format, that'd actually be helpful.	[10:54]
fluffypony	ok cool	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	maybe mike_c does one too, then we can see if your numbers match.	[10:56]
fluffypony	I haven't had enough coffee - can you explain the relative dividend yield? surely the dividends are absolute?	[10:57]
mircea_popescu	yes but each month the stock has an average price	[10:57]
fluffypony	ah ok	[10:57]
HeySteve	details on that payment splitting service: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/provably-fair-bitcoin-split-payments-have-arrived/2014/04/27	[10:57]
mircea_popescu	https://hashcat.net/oclhashcat/	[11:00]
ozbot	oclHashcat - advanced password recovery	[11:00]
mircea_popescu	whoa iron dropped ? coal dropped ?! this is a new one.	[11:02]
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mircea_popescu	;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com bitevery	[11:03]
gribble	NEXT: 07-05-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 12-09-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log:	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	google you fucking suck wtf, it's in neither.	[11:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 380 @ 0.06279784 = 23.8632 BTC [-] {46}	[11:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06889296 = 0.3445 BTC [+] {2}	[11:13]
Naphex	:D	[11:13]
Naphex	good day today	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	http://www.wired.com/2014/04/quantum-theory-flow-time/	[11:14]
ozbot	New Quantum Theory Could Explain the Flow of Time \| Science \| WIRED	[11:14]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: http://www.doxologia.ro/viata-bisericii/marturii/sfantul-efrem-cel-nou-deblocat-programe-informatice-reparat-fisiere-corupte and soon with bitcoin recovery :))	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	hopefully he gets extradited.	[11:14]
Naphex	if you haven't seen it	[11:14]
Naphex	:)	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	Naphex lmao wut.	[11:14]
Naphex	“Asadar, s-a rugat Sfantului Efrem cel Nou si a facut de trei ori Semnul Sfintei Cruci peste computer. Spre marea sa uimire, nu numai ca a reusit sa deschida fisierul, ci a putut sa stearga integral sectiunea corupta”	[11:15]
Naphex	so... :D	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	Naphex is that this guy http://trilema.com/2009/predosloviie/ ?	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	(ie... sf leufteriu of the L.o.L. ?)	[11:16]
Naphex	:))	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	lmao no fucking way, that's the actual site of the moldavian bishopric	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaah	[11:19]
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mircea_popescu	moiety https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmR_oNJIcAAfFVX.jpg	[11:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06763971 = 0.1353 BTC [-]	[11:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 50 @ 0.14 = 7 BTC	[11:25]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: btw just noticed on http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/ - "unspeficied"	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	hahah	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	that's too cute to fix	[11:28]
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mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/817/f-mpif-to-last-/ lol srsly ?	[11:29]
ozbot	BitBet - F.MPIF to last the year	[11:29]
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moiety	awww! i think the sombrero wins the hat contest!	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	Instead, this week we found out the Most Transparent Administration in American History™ has implemented a new anti-press policy that would make Richard Nixon blush. National intelligence director James Clapper, the man caught lying to Congress from an "unauthorized" leak by Snowden, issued a directive to the employees of all 17 intelligence agencies barring all employees from any "unauthorized" contact with the pres	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	s.	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	teh soviets are coming hurray hurray	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	this is so 1978	[11:30]
Apocalyptic	http://bitbet.us/bet/817/f-mpif-to-last-/ lol srsly ? // isn't that a badbet ?	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	well to the degree betting on any fiat stock being delisted is, i guess.	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	or what did you have in mind ?	[11:33]
Apocalyptic	as it's in solely your authority to decide the outcome	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	schizopathically & antisocially i seem to count myself as an institution.	[11:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [-]	[11:34]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake:	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	mod6: I just stopped my trades bot, so you can display yours. << hows that work ?	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell decimation you left out the best part : "Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact."	[11:37]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell decimation o no oyu didn't. nm :p	[11:39]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	;;seen scrat	[11:42]
gribble	scrat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, 20 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: im a fat cock	[11:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07089996 = 0.3545 BTC [+] {2}	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	http://oglaf.com/imposture/ << ok, this rules.	[11:43]
ozbot	Imposture	[11:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 250 @ 0.00085 = 0.2125 BTC [+] {2}	[11:44]
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fluffypony	fuck that confused me	[11:52]
fluffypony	http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/	[11:52]
ozbot	MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[11:52]
fluffypony	BBET is listed as paying from Jan	[11:52]
fluffypony	when first dividend payout was Feb	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	well yes but it was for the month of jan	[11:53]
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fluffypony	yes but if you take the dividends table on the listing page for MPOE it correlates to "month in which it was paid" pretty much	[11:54]
fluffypony	for eg. the first dividend was paid on 26-05-12 and is listed as the May 2012 dividend	[11:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00095896 = 12.0829 BTC [+] {2}	[11:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07089996 = 0.3545 BTC [+] {2}	[11:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07092901 = 0.2837 BTC [+] {2}	[11:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29988 @ 0.00095992 = 28.7861 BTC [+] {2}	[11:56]
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mircea_popescu	right.	[12:00]
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mircea_popescu	and had it been paid 3-06-2012 it'd still have been the may dividend	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	this because for most of its life mpoe reported on a "last week of month" period, and reports came in within hours of exercise closure, so it almost always was within the month.	[12:01]
HeySteve	<+mircea_popescu> "Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact." <- there should be a science of resilient hierarchical structures which resist corruption and decay. it should draw from historical fact, military tactics and decentralised methods. it should inform a technocratic leadership.	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	whereas everyone else reported by the 5th of next calendar month, so it always was later	[12:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0674425 = 0.2698 BTC [-]	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve yes, there is such a science. what do you think we're doing here.	[12:01]
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HeySteve	do you mean this channel or Bitcoin?	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	i mean this channel, mpex, etc.	[12:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0345 = 0.1035 BTC [+]	[12:05]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: plz check - http://markable.in/file/534b17d2-ceb4-11e3-9cd6-984be164924a/	[12:06]
HeySteve	Bitcoin should be a sovereign	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	just pastebin it, i aint js.	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve it... is. it has been, for a while. hence the serenissima.	[12:06]
HeySteve	this is not widely recognised, mircea_popescu	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	that matters :))	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	like you know, there's this lion in an african village, and the local peasants are... not recognizing it.	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	im sure the lion's all hurt and emo over it.	[12:08]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: no js on the page	[12:08]
HeySteve	that sounds dangerous for the villagers	[12:08]
fluffypony	or none that needs to execute to see the table	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve exactly. letting people know about how their lives depend on bitcoin-ability is a charitable deed.	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	btw, you ever seen http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/ ?	[12:09]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony wouldja just pastebin the thing ?	[12:09]
fluffypony	I'll pastebin the markdown source	[12:09]
fluffypony	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4kE1TrR7	[12:09]
mircea_popescu	wrong years lol	[12:10]
fluffypony	whoops	[12:10]
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mircea_popescu	Mar 2013 \| 17 \| 122	[12:10]
fluffypony	fixed those last 3	[12:11]
fluffypony	apparently I'm stuck in 2013 :-P	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	lol	[12:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00096052 = 25.6459 BTC [+] {2}	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	anyway, best make it a full year, so wait a few days to include apr too	[12:11]
fluffypony	can do	[12:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123 @ 0.00096116 = 0.1182 BTC [+]	[12:12]
fluffypony	;;later tell duffer1 well when you can't decide whether your name is "Timothy" or "Jimmy" it's unsurprising that you'd self-identify as an "investor" despite never really invested in anything:-P	[12:14]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	"this guy is giving me the timmy-jimmies", voted most likely to succeed coinage of 2014.	[12:15]
fluffypony	lol	[12:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16410 @ 0.00095947 = 15.7449 BTC [-]	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	"Office space alone can eat you alive. Between Pissy and I we have 2100 square feet. And we're paying $5100 a month for that. "	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	someone's in business with a partner known as... pissy ?!	[12:15]
fluffypony	could be worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_(energy_drink)	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	now that is true. pussy is an energy drink.	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	"3. CEO at my hospital laid off 10% of the nurses last year and got a $7M bonus."	[12:18]
HeySteve	there are worse options https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309547.0	[12:18]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It's what he refers to his urologist office mate as	[12:19]
fluffypony	law	[12:19]
fluffypony	lawl	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo old cranky doctors are some of my favourite party people.	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	they have this well patined sense of humor.	[12:19]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	Price. $3.00 for drink plus shipping. Shipping International: 1-2 = $23.95 - Small Flat Rate 4-8 = $77.95 - Large Flat Rate	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	dude srsly ? 15 bux for a bottle of carbonated pisswater ?	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, they do the office practice here too. most romanians are insured by virtue of going to work, the cost is about $100 per month. most rich romanians don't bother with the state insurance and just pay out of pocket.	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	typical office overhead for a doctor's office is in the 10 to 15k a year, all inclusive, typical doctor visit is $100 or less (depending, GP is like $10)	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	average doctor makes 20x minimum wage, 3x average wage.	[12:24]
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mircea_popescu	somehow a country larger than the entire fucking cascadia can function on 1/10 to 1/100 of the us costs.	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	and i would argue healthcare, tho not stellar, is better here than there.	[12:26]
BingoBoingo	It's amazing how these things work out	[12:27]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[12:27]
fluffypony	bitcoinpete:naturally, i prod further and his area of interests is sidechains because they "fix bitcoin's incentive problems" <- with that attitude he's well on his way to being part of the Bitcoin Foundation, maybe he should just apply for a seat?	[12:28]
cazalla	difficult to find a good GP in Australia, the older doctors are few and far between but will allow you adequate time, the younger GP's are usually found in medical centres where the aim is to get you in and out ASAP to bulk bill medicare as much as possible	[12:28]
HeySteve	Peter Todd had a strong point against sidechains	[12:28]
HeySteve	https://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/ltb-e104-tree-chains-with <- worth a listen	[12:29]
BingoBoingo	http://bitbet.us/bet/600/tradefortress-arrested/#c2135	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete:	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	so anyways i ask the guy what he doing in/with bitcoin and he says he "just left a start-up and wants to be a core dev" << so send him here.	[12:29]
ozbot	BitBet - TradeFortress arrested	[12:29]
fluffypony	comment spamz	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	lol	[12:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0405 = 0.162 BTC [+]	[12:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	and to think that he could have a banner for .1 btc	[12:30]
cazalla	i went to a walk in medical centre with issues about my neck as I couldn't get an appointment at my usual GP, the GP at the walk in just assumed I was after pain meds and wrote a script for endone (oxycodone) without any hesitation to get me the fuck out of there	[12:30]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: that's what I was commenting on above, he sounds like an ideal Bitcoin Foundation candidate	[12:30]
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moiety	BingoBoingo: seriously?!	[12:32]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: About what?	[12:33]
moiety	bitbet	[12:33]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla nutty.	[12:33]
fluffypony	cazalla: so you took the script and sold it on SR?	[12:34]
fluffypony	:-P	[12:34]
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mircea_popescu	HeySteve lol that korea customs form rules. "please say if you have any magicks kthx"	[12:35]
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moiety	cazalla: that's ridiculous, folk like that shouldn't be doctors	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	^	[12:36]
cazalla	moiety: he was actually struck off this year for getting personal with a patient heh - http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2167211/court-hears-dapto-doctor-defend-examination/	[12:37]
cazalla	there's actually been 3 or 4 doctors struck off for similar things at that place, not that i knew at the time, it was the only place open late	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	"A doctor charged with sexually assaulting a patient at Dapto Medical Centre has told a court he took the unusual step of stimulating the woman on his clinic couch after she clamped down on his finger with her private parts, aggravating an injury to his shoulder."	[12:39]
moiety	"I had to think of something that would relax her ... I thought I'd stimulate her clitoris to get access to the inside to do that proper examination, hoping that she'd relax." WTF .... a woman that avoided internal exams .... kden thats really going to relax her	[12:40]
dub	that deserves stella award	[12:41]
moiety	deserves a smack in the face	[12:41]
moiety	they have tools for that kind of thing	[12:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9328 @ 0.00095915 = 8.947 BTC [-] {2}	[12:42]
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moiety	one of our locum psychiatrists allegedly propositioned a stripper in her appointment. he actually went to her club and asked for her by name later	[12:43]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: question on the gpg wot	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	soooo ?	[12:43]
fluffypony	when you import someone's pubkey and set their trust level	[12:43]
fluffypony	it updates your keyring	[12:43]
fluffypony	how do you push that updated keyring to the keyserver?	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	you export their pubkey	[12:44]
fluffypony	--send-keys just pushes my key, not the trust level	[12:44]
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fluffypony	oic	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	but... the trust level it's your own	[12:44]
moiety	she complained about him and he had to leave. big court case and everything about it.	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the gpg wot is imo a broken beyond belief implementaiton	[12:44]
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mircea_popescu	and shouldn't be called a wot in the first place.	[12:44]
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fluffypony	well they broke it the minute they started having "signing parties" at every con in existence	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	moiety wait. stripper complained about customer asking for her by name ?!	[12:44]
fluffypony	because that's a great basis for "trust"	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	what is she, insane ?	[12:45]
moiety	no he wasnt a customer, he was her psychiatrist	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony early internet people held the idiotic belief that "meeting irl" is some sortt of gold standard.	[12:45]
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mircea_popescu	hence all the "you wouldn't say that to my face" bs	[12:45]
moiety	she was mid-moan about her life and he asked her for a blowjob apparently	[12:45]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yeah, which was the number 1 reason why I never went to another IRC meet after my first one in 1997	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	it's a common mistake of the pompously clueless, and good sister of the entire "trolls are bad for society" mtyh	[12:46]
mircea_popescu	moiety heh. so dude was creepy.	[12:46]
fluffypony	moiety: she could have transitioned from one type of moan to another	[12:46]
fluffypony	and gotten her therapy fees back with interest	[12:46]
moiety	i think this was his plan fluffypony	[12:46]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony yeah but she was paying so she doesn't have to.	[12:46]
fluffypony	werd	[12:46]
moiety	mircea_popescu: well he was actually. to everyone. but she was also nuts, so it did make things difficult. he is still working	[12:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53250 @ 0.00096178 = 51.2148 BTC [+] {5}	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	moiety there's this confusion being peddled, in classic libertard manner, that it's the form rather than the substance. however, in my experience it's absolutely never THE FACT that he propositioned her that is the issue.	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	it's just that he sucks, ie, the substance of that proposition.	[12:48]
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mircea_popescu	otherwise, i've hit on doctors/nurses/people in the street/whoever the fuck. what's the big deal.	[12:48]
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mircea_popescu	if a society isn't willing to put up with "inappropriate" propositioning, that society will have to put up with specially designated "proposition pens" where everyone's fcking awkward and the whole thing's unpleasant.	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	former option much better.	[12:50]
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moiety	this is true. the problem with him being picking someone that had severe issues around it when he was in a position of trust rather than a nurse/doctor/person in the street	[12:51]
mircea_popescu	but you're always in a position of trust. this "position of trust" analysis is bollocks. at the very least you trust the random passerby not to mug you.	[12:52]
fluffypony	lawlz seedcoin: "We have regular contacts with institutional investors, I am not sure how many institutional investors may have expressed a lack of confidence (publicly or to you) in what we do, if they have I would be happy to answer their concerns, but I wished to inform you that the institutional and angel investors we have been in contact with have expressed great confidence in Seedcoin and our support to crypto startups."	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	tell him my concerns are that he's a fucktard, and ask him to please address them.	[12:53]
fluffypony	which was their response to me raising 14 questions on the TagPesa crap they're trying to piddle: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=586230.msg6418858#msg6418858	[12:53]
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mircea_popescu	curious if he'll go the "o mp is not an institutional investor, because breaking the back of everyone else does not qualify one" or "he said fucktard so i no longer have to listen nao lalalala"	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	route	[12:53]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well rather than an institutional investor I've just assumed you've transcended to being the institution	[12:56]
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mircea_popescu	!up HoreaV	[12:57]
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moiety	re rtust this is true mircea_popescu but shouldn't you be able to trust your doctor to keep professional at least while in an appointment?	[12:59]
moiety	trust*	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	why should "professional" exclude flirting ?	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	you should be able to trust your doctor not to be unpleasant, of which you are the only judge. and if you don't like him go to another. which is why the free market is important.	[12:59]
Naphex	;;rate HoreaV 10 Horea Vuscan of BTCXchange.ro	[13:00]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user HoreaV has been recorded.	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	a doctor shouldn't have to follow some ultimately absurd behaviour guidelines, because he's an adult, and a patient should not have to depend that the doctor does follow such, or that they're adequate, because he has no options.	[13:00]
moiety	asking someone who is crying about their daddy issues to suck your dick isn't flirting tho	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	no argument there.	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	but the problem is he sucked, basically.	[13:00]
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moiety	bottom line. ^ yeah	[13:01]
fluffypony	or that he wanted to be sucked	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	ends up generally misrepresented as "well the problem is he propositioned her". nonsense. the problem is he apparently has the discernment of a five year old.	[13:02]
moiety	i did have a female doctor who a patient leave her caseload because she was seen out at a pub on a weekend, which was ridiculous.	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	yeah but i mean... patient's call.	[13:03]
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mircea_popescu	i know women who won't use a male gyn, to their detriment, as male gyns are usually better. but hey, her lyf, her call.	[13:04]
moiety	thats often a comfort thing	[13:04]
moiety	and yeah we switched around doctors whenever the patients wanted	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	kinda why the male gyns are better, too. they don't have one so it's scary on some level.	[13:04]
moiety	male midwives get a hard time too	[13:05]
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mircea_popescu	HoreaV hey there ?	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot davide	[13:05]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user davide: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=davide \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=davide \| Rated since: never	[13:05]
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HoreaV	mircea_popescu: hey back, Naphex is still setting me up with the console and explaining. i'll be done in a sec	[13:06]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[13:06]
mircea_popescu	%t	[13:08]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 155 Ask: 200 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 1715k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 187	[13:08]
HoreaV	;;rate Naphex 10 Best programmer that i ever worked with. Cofounder at BTCXchange.ro	[13:08]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user Naphex has been recorded.	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	;;rate HoreaV 1 btcxchange.ro	[13:10]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user HoreaV has been recorded.	[13:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00095596 = 29.2524 BTC [-] {2}	[13:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0045101 = 0.451 BTC [-]	[13:14]
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cazalla	moiety: didn't see any male midwives while my wife was in hospital (private), i wouldn't mind being a lactation consultant, it was pretty sweet watching the younger ones caress the missus' tits for milk :P	[13:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00096436 = 44.2159 BTC [+] {5}	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	wao hey, can you send me a shipment of those copper rounds ?	[13:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17935 @ 0.00096269 = 17.2658 BTC [-] {3}	[14:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00096043 = 21.1295 BTC [-] {2}	[14:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00096515 = 11.7748 BTC [+] {2}	[14:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06724331 = 0.6724 BTC [-]	[14:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06724331 = 0.1345 BTC [-]	[14:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 53 @ 0.0075 = 0.3975 BTC [+]	[14:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00096572 = 11.2506 BTC [+] {2}	[14:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00096609 = 14.8778 BTC [+] {2}	[15:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00096346 = 18.3057 BTC [-]	[15:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00096624 = 16.8126 BTC [+] {2}	[15:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51123251 = 1.0225 BTC [+] {2}	[15:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51199998 BTC [+]	[15:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0046345 = 0.4635 BTC [+]	[15:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06724331 = 0.2017 BTC [-]	[15:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0345 = 0.138 BTC [+]	[15:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03450588 = 0.2415 BTC [+] {3}	[15:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0409979 = 0.123 BTC [+] {3}	[15:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03450687 = 0.1035 BTC [+]	[15:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0409979 = 0.205 BTC [+] {2}	[15:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0409979 = 0.41 BTC [+] {4}	[15:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0409979 = 0.287 BTC [+] {3}	[15:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0409979 = 0.205 BTC [+] {4}	[15:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.04099792 = 0.369 BTC [+] {5}	[15:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04099999 = 0.123 BTC [+] {2}	[15:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]	[15:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.0009663 = 24.6407 BTC [+] {3}	[15:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00445218 = 0.1069 BTC [+] {2}	[15:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00096646 = 11.9358 BTC [+]	[15:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00096636 = 45.9987 BTC [-] {4}	[15:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4768 @ 0.0009666 = 4.6087 BTC [+]	[16:09]
fluffypony	http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/	[16:11]
kakobrekla	since you are here fluffypony , re this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587244.msg6434861#msg6434861	[16:11]
kakobrekla	you might as well link them: http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/	[16:12]
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fluffypony	kakobrekla: I've actually got another blog post that is just waiting for April results, I'll include a link to that in it	[16:12]
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kakobrekla	aha	[16:13]
pankkake	it even mentions AsicMiner, so humble of MP	[16:14]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: does blogs.bitcoin-assets.com auto-update or is it manual?	[16:15]
pankkake	I'm the one running it	[16:15]
*	fluffypony nearly said manul and was waiting for moiety to show up	[16:15]
pankkake	and it's every 37 minutes or so	[16:15]
fluffypony	oic oic	[16:15]
pankkake	I might do it more, I didn't want to hammer your blogs too much, but it's actually quite smart (it checks the last modified date of the rss if it can provide one)	[16:16]
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pankkake	next step is a bot to notify of new posts	[16:16]
fluffypony	nice	[16:16]
fluffypony	maybe assbot should poll the rss feed to watch for changes?	[16:17]
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kakobrekla	pankkake do you run a cronjob there or is that site built on the fly	[16:18]
kakobrekla	ah right	[16:19]
pankkake	it's a cron, so everything is static	[16:19]
kakobrekla	37 minuts	[16:19]
*	kakobrekla should read moar	[16:19]
pankkake	it was 42 minutes. I'm changing to 7 :)	[16:19]
kakobrekla	well how about you post a new post notification to me?	[16:19]
pankkake	I'm looking at how I can do that with venus (the tool I use to build blogs.b-a). the sending to irc part is easy, I already have a dumb bot for that	[16:23]
pankkake	otherwise I'll do it with a RSS parser I know, which already handles the "is this thing new" aspect	[16:24]
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pankkake	but if I can avoid polling myself…	[16:25]
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kakobrekla	i can make assbot polll	[16:25]
kakobrekla	its not ideal but yea	[16:25]
kakobrekla	json would been better	[16:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33329 @ 0.00096692 = 32.2265 BTC [+] {3}	[16:25]
HeySteve	RyS eh	[16:27]
fluffypony	rys?	[16:28]
HeySteve	from the thread you link, rethink your strategy	[16:30]
fluffypony	oh yes	[16:30]
fluffypony	that thread got really trashy	[16:31]
fluffypony	still a fun read	[16:31]
HeySteve	heh OP started it that way	[16:31]
fluffypony	yeah, I love how at the end he's like "I'm going to litecointalk!"	[16:32]
fluffypony	as if that's a bastion of legitimacy :-P	[16:32]
pankkake	he got really really mad	[16:32]
HeySteve	people should start with businesses they can achieve with their own resources	[16:33]
pankkake	that crumbs guy is a hero	[16:33]
HeySteve	seeking funding for My First Bizniz is not credible	[16:33]
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pankkake	HeySteve: and in most cases, those things don't even need the funding they ask…	[16:33]
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fluffypony	yeah, that's why I keep asking for them to justify the expense	[16:33]
fluffypony	show me 1 calculation with sub-totals	[16:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00096591 = 24.8239 BTC [-]	[16:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00096941 = 15.0259 BTC [+] {2}	[17:11]
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thestringpuller	;;google change clothes and go	[17:21]
gribble	JAY-Z - Change Clothes ft. Pharrell - YouTube: ; Jay Z – Change Clothes Lyrics \| Rap Genius: ; JAY-Z LYRICS - Change Clothes:	[17:21]
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BCB	who runs Cryptostocks.com	[17:21]
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thestringpuller	;;ident	[17:22]
gribble	Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None	[17:22]
thestringpuller	BCB: does it not say on the site?	[17:22]
thestringpuller	lol	[17:22]
BCB	anonymous registration	[17:22]
BCB	I never heard of htem	[17:22]
BCB	them	[17:22]
BCB	you	[17:22]
thestringpuller	never used them	[17:22]
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BCB	anyone know Vircurex	[17:22]
pankkake	BCB: a guy named kumala	[17:23]
thestringpuller	vircurex is canadian no?	[17:23]
BCB	pankkake: who is kumala	[17:23]
BCB	thestringpuller: eys	[17:23]
BCB	yes	[17:23]
BCB	what about havelock investments	[17:23]
pankkake	no idea, besides a bitcointalk username	[17:23]
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thestringpuller	so havelock is definitely in scam territory now?	[17:27]
thestringpuller	good thing i vacated	[17:27]
thestringpuller	!last h b.mine	[17:27]
assbot	Last trade for B.MINE on HAVELOCK was at 0.034 BTC [-]	[17:27]
fluffypony	pankkake: is the rss poll broken? my most recent blog post isn't showing up	[17:28]
thestringpuller	fluffypony don't use rss then	[17:29]
thestringpuller	>::P	[17:29]
fluffypony	thestringpuller: I meant his poll to my rss feed :)	[17:29]
thestringpuller	you're a special one aren't you?	[17:30]
pankkake	I see "How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business"	[17:30]
fluffypony	OH	[17:30]
fluffypony	it's at the bottom	[17:30]
fluffypony	see it	[17:30]
fluffypony	tks :)	[17:30]
*	fluffypony needs more coffee	[17:30]
pankkake	but I've had an instance of it not updating trilema, so maybe it wasn't there earlier	[17:31]
BCB	thestringpuller so havelock is definitely in scam territory now? << Why do you say that	[17:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00096701 = 10.4921 BTC [-]	[17:53]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00096601 = 11.2057 BTC [-] {2}	[17:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9916 @ 0.00096942 = 9.6128 BTC [+]	[18:06]
thestringpuller	because it is doing untrustworthy things	[18:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1006 @ 0.001 = 1.006 BTC {3}	[18:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 190 @ 0.001 = 0.19 BTC	[18:19]
mike_c	;;seen davout	[18:21]
gribble	davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: random_cat: wet pussies are the consequence of so much log, not the other way around	[18:21]
fluffypony	he was here earlier	[18:22]
fluffypony	quit like an hour ago	[18:22]
mike_c	no x.eur's for sale.	[18:22]
pankkake	maybe there is an eur shortage	[18:23]
kakobrekla	ha-ha!	[18:23]
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Naphex	kakobrekla: is there a list / help of assbot commands?	[18:27]
mike_c	!help	[18:28]
assbot	List of commands:	[18:28]
assbot	!up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)	[18:28]
assbot	!up (desc: sending it on chan will give voice for 30 minutes)	[18:28]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}	[18:28]
assbot	!last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}	[18:28]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[18:28]
kakobrekla	nooooooooo!!!111	[18:28]
assbot	!rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}	[18:28]
assbot	!exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}	[18:28]
assbot	!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)	[18:28]
assbot	!bash (desc: bashes last lines to bash) {short: !b}	[18:28]
assbot	!quote (desc: quotes last lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}	[18:28]
mike_c	assbot please send donation	[18:28]
Naphex	;]	[18:28]
kakobrekla	!help mike_c	[18:28]
assbot	List of commands:	[18:28]
assbot	!up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)	[18:28]
assbot	!up (desc: sending it on chan will give voice for 30 minutes)	[18:28]
kakobrekla	fuck	[18:28]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}	[18:28]
assbot	!last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}	[18:28]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[18:28]
kakobrekla	doenst that work	[18:28]
assbot	!rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}	[18:28]
assbot	!exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}	[18:28]
assbot	!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)	[18:28]
assbot	!bash (desc: bashes last lines to bash) {short: !b}	[18:28]
assbot	!quote (desc: quotes last lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}	[18:28]
kakobrekla	:(	[18:28]
mike_c	assbot please send two donations	[18:28]
kakobrekla	lel	[18:28]
Naphex	probably should reply that with privmsg/notice	[18:28]
Naphex	:P	[18:28]
kakobrekla	yes i think it does under some circumstance	[18:29]
Naphex	is that an eggbot? or some standalone?	[18:29]
mike_c	assbot has to keep up with mp's line count somehow	[18:29]
kakobrekla	its a thing i made many years ago Naphex	[18:30]
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pankkake	reply in notice on !up would be nice too, because I just /msg the bot, and the reply opens a query	[18:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17430 @ 0.00097148 = 16.9329 BTC [+]	[18:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC	[18:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 629 @ 0.001 = 0.629 BTC	[18:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00097131 = 24.1371 BTC [-] {3}	[18:45]
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mike_c	kakobrekla, would it be troublesome to add a primary key to http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/? seems to me there isn't a reliable way to determine uniqueness. you could very well have two trades with the same.. everything.	[18:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC	[18:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 350 @ 0.001 = 0.35 BTC	[18:49]
kakobrekla	myea thats a point	[18:49]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 295 @ 0.00082074 = 0.2421 BTC [-] {3}	[18:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0075 = 0.3375 BTC [+]	[18:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 54 @ 0.00316148 = 0.1707 BTC [-] {3}	[18:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 411 @ 0.00079972 = 0.3287 BTC [-] {5}	[18:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00096654 = 14.2565 BTC [-]	[19:00]
mike_c	;;later tell hanbot one easy way for PIF bitbets to be publicly auditable would be to use the same out address for all the bets. is that the plan?	[19:01]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:01]
pankkake	*MPIF	[19:02]
mike_c	i can't stop calling it pif. two syllables is one too many.	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC	[19:04]
mike_c	BingoBoingo's is going to be hardest to track.	[19:04]
fluffypony	piffy?	[19:05]
thestringpuller	;;seen mod6	[19:06]
gribble	mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 20 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: thx artifexd :)	[19:06]
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Naphex	so in my offtime i'm implementing a decent notification system in bitcoin core	[19:13]
Naphex	and i was getting into posting the messages and thinking	[19:13]
Naphex	for a first implementation do notification with:	[19:13]
Naphex	A. UNIX Socket / Local Socket - Connect to it, start broadcasting notifications	[19:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 410 @ 0.001 = 0.41 BTC	[19:14]
Naphex	B. JSON-NP Callbacks - For easier integration with current systems	[19:14]
kakobrekla	this ? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2861	[19:14]
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Naphex	whats that? - first look is just watch only	[19:15]
kakobrekla	arent you doing watch only notif	[19:15]
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artifexd	Naphex: If you're interested, conformal's btcd already has websockets available and extending it is almost trivial.	[19:16]
Naphex	artifexd: thanks, but implementing this in bitcoin core.	[19:16]
Naphex	for the exchange i use something else entierly	[19:17]
Naphex	this is not related, just offtime stuff	[19:17]
Naphex	i wouldn't do websockets in it, too much overhead for bitcoin	[19:17]
artifexd	Have fun and good luck	[19:18]
Naphex	what's the luck for?:P	[19:18]
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danielpbarron	what is an appropriate operating system on which to run an offline wallet?	[19:19]
danielpbarron	(linux -- which one?, bsd? )	[19:20]
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thestringpuller	danielpbarron: this is where I slap you	[19:22]
danielpbarron	please do	[19:22]
thestringpuller	in all seriousness you shouldn't haven't have a full wallet on a computer	[19:22]
thestringpuller	generate addresses offline print them on paper	[19:22]
thestringpuller	send coins to the paper wallets	[19:23]
thestringpuller	store wallets in safety deposit boxes	[19:23]
thestringpuller	with backups in europe and asia	[19:23]
danielpbarron	ugh	[19:23]
thestringpuller	maybe have your most trusted body guard/head of security hold one	[19:23]
danielpbarron	already do that	[19:23]
danielpbarron	i want to do offline transaction signing	[19:23]
artifexd	thestringpuller: You are describing cold storage. It sounds like danielpbarron is looking for warm storage.	[19:24]
danielpbarron	i want to be able to make multi-sig transactions	[19:24]
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artifexd	Cold, warm, hot. They all have their place.	[19:24]
danielpbarron	unless someone can explain to me why that isn't necessary and that I'm going at this all wrong	[19:25]
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thestringpuller	lol you want to sign a transaction offline then transmit it to the nodes whenever?	[19:25]
thestringpuller	isn't there trusted software for that by now?	[19:25]
danielpbarron	that's what i'm asking	[19:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 134 @ 0.001 = 0.134 BTC	[19:26]
dexX7	hmm.. so gribble and assbot had some troubles identifying me with another nick: http://dpaste.com/1801925/	[19:27]
Naphex	danielpbarron: linux would be fine, but make sure you don't run other stuff	[19:27]
Naphex	and keep it clean and bare	[19:27]
danielpbarron	which distro?	[19:28]
Naphex	i'd go with gentoo, but whatever is fine	[19:28]
danielpbarron	i'm already familiar with debian based, but i've also done gentoo	[19:28]
Naphex	whatever you can install the cleanest	[19:28]
danielpbarron	gentoo was harder but much nicer when done	[19:28]
Naphex	make sure you use filesystem encryption as well	[19:28]
danielpbarron	what about the bsd variant to which MP donated	[19:29]
thestringpuller	freebsd?	[19:29]
Naphex	to ward off any physical attacks like physical hdd theft	[19:29]
fluffypony	OpenBSD	[19:29]
thestringpuller	ask mod6 bout dat	[19:29]
danielpbarron	idk	[19:29]
Naphex	you can use whatever you want, except windows	[19:29]
Naphex	but keep it clean, and only run what you need - bare	[19:29]
dexX7	anyway. Naphex: i did only follow the last lines, so i'm not 100 % sure, if your intention is clear to me -- if you are looking for a simple solution to establish some kind of "bitcoin based event notification system", you may use the (redirected) debug output as basis which could be parsed and processed further	[19:29]
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danielpbarron	lol wouldn't dream of it (haven't used windows in years)	[19:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 400 @ 0.0075 = 3 BTC [+]	[19:29]
Naphex	firewall with blacklist everything, only whitelist what you know	[19:29]
Naphex	and make sure you only accept validated messages, before hitting your software	[19:30]
danielpbarron	not necessary right, the machine has no ethernet devices	[19:30]
Naphex	dexX7: yes but i want something more clear cut, that can scale	[19:30]
kakobrekla	dexX7 yea taht could be fixed but it would break the neatness of the design :)	[19:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14457 @ 0.00096643 = 13.9717 BTC [-] {2}	[19:30]
danielpbarron	or is that incase someone takes the machine and installs ethernet?	[19:30]
Naphex	danielpbarron: dexX7 i'm thinking like listen to a port/unix socket	[19:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16889 @ 0.00096524 = 16.3019 BTC [-] {3}	[19:31]
dexX7	as source for the data?	[19:31]
dexX7	aka you want to rebuild a bitcoin client?	[19:32]
Naphex	connect to it, and broadcast notifications through it	[19:32]
Naphex	either that or in reverse, where it connects to a aggregate server, and that just runs pubsub	[19:32]
Naphex	yes i forked current master, and 0.9.1	[19:32]
dexX7	mind to share a link?	[19:33]
Naphex	its private atm, not on any service. just dirty git clone	[19:33]
Naphex	i will when there is something working	[19:33]
Naphex	even if its not final version	[19:33]
Naphex	but what i'm thinking is just a notification system for BitcoinD clusters, track txid's, addresses and confirmations	[19:34]
thestringpuller	Naphex: like what?	[19:34]
thestringpuller	offline wallet can't touch net even on firewall part	[19:34]
thestringpuller	you can't trust the TCP/IP stack	[19:34]
Naphex	uh, what's that related to?	[19:35]
Naphex	for notifications?	[19:35]
thestringpuller	for anything	[19:35]
thestringpuller	the firewall shouldn't talk to other machines with your "airgapped" software	[19:35]
dexX7	ah np, just trying to understand your approach. at which point do you fetch and process incoming information?	[19:35]
thestringpuller	cause what you're describing is a semi-permeable airgap	[19:35]
Naphex	thestringpuller: there are hot wallets and cold ones	[19:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 360 @ 0.001 = 0.36 BTC	[19:36]
Naphex	if your hot wallet serves based on verified, signed messages, wheter HMAC or whatever, i'd say its pretty fine.	[19:37]
thestringpuller	depends on the transaction volume	[19:37]
Naphex	you trust the sig	[19:37]
Naphex	thestringpuller: for example, current hot wallet software	[19:38]
Naphex	won't accept any messages, whatever the source or trust	[19:38]
Naphex	if the user's OTP is not valid	[19:38]
Naphex	now OTP can be, Email / YubiKey -> GPG, Bitcoin signature	[19:39]
Naphex	now the users have that secret, so an intruder couldn't do much without user secrets	[19:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC	[19:40]
Naphex	even if an attackers gets through mostly everything undetected	[19:40]
Naphex	its a dead end	[19:40]
thestringpuller	so you keep the keyring hot?	[19:41]
thestringpuller	that's all that matters	[19:41]
Naphex	only the hot wallets	[19:41]
thestringpuller	uh no	[19:42]
Naphex	which are hot by design	[19:42]
thestringpuller	there is an implementation of hot wallets that don't require the key ring to touch the internet	[19:42]
Naphex	for incoming or outgoing?	[19:42]
thestringpuller	outgoing	[19:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 193 @ 0.0013501 = 0.2606 BTC [+]	[19:43]
Naphex	so you want to sign transactions offline?	[19:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 540 @ 0.00135202 = 0.7301 BTC [+]	[19:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1030 @ 0.001 = 1.03 BTC {2}	[19:44]
thestringpuller	why wouldn't you?	[19:44]
Naphex	why would i when i want a hot instant wallet?	[19:44]
thestringpuller	why do you want a hot instant wallet?	[19:45]
Naphex	so clients can withdraw in an instant	[19:45]
Naphex	they want it too	[19:45]
thestringpuller	...	[19:45]
thestringpuller	this is where I rage quit like pankkake	[19:46]
Naphex	:))	[19:46]
Naphex	look, you can secure servers and keep stuff secure. now i'm not saying run everything hot	[19:46]
Naphex	but you can always keep i.e 10 BTC out of 1000 HOT	[19:46]
Naphex	and run everything else cold, you can even run deposits cold	[19:46]
Naphex	but wait 5mins on a withdrawal, and you're gonna get an email	[19:47]
Naphex	after a phone call	[19:47]
thestringpuller	no you're not	[19:47]
danielpbarron	what's more secure; using a machine that was set up before Bitcoin existed and hasn't been updated since; or a totally fresh install?	[19:47]
thestringpuller	mpex investors have to wait sometimes up to 24hours for withdrawals	[19:47]
mike_c	hm, JD seems to be down.	[19:47]
pankkake	thestringpuller: :o)	[19:47]
Naphex	thestringpuller: well thats their priviledge	[19:47]
Naphex	mean while, Joe Giner wants his 0.2 btc that he just bought out now	[19:48]
Naphex	so he can do whatever with it	[19:48]
thestringpuller	Joe Giner isn't worth a security breach	[19:48]
Naphex	maybe buy some Google Play Giftcards	[19:48]
pankkake	if the machine is really offline even Windows ME should be fine!	[19:48]
danielpbarron	what about random number generation?	[19:48]
pankkake	good point	[19:48]
Naphex	thestringpuller: honestly if you have a well designed system, that gets breached and you get ninja'd out of the 10 hotwallet BTC	[19:49]
Naphex	it was probably worth it	[19:49]
Naphex	and you can get it out of your pocket	[19:49]
thestringpuller	no, it wasn't	[19:49]
thestringpuller	MPEx has lost 0 BTC of investor funds.	[19:49]
thestringpuller	please direct me to another facility of such high standards.	[19:49]
Naphex	i haven't lost 1 satoshi yet	[19:49]
benkay	"yet"	[19:50]
Naphex	well put it like this	[19:50]
Naphex	the most sophisticated attacker, will need user secrets to get whatever they have	[19:50]
Naphex	or break HMAC-SHA256	[19:50]
thestringpuller	or they can dump unencrypted memory with a 0 day exploit you have no idea about yet trust your system completely	[19:51]
thestringpuller	because you've audited all 100% of the code oyu're running	[19:51]
Naphex	they can't	[19:51]
Naphex	server can only get clean, hard messages	[19:51]
Naphex	everything else gets dunked a long way from there	[19:51]
benkay	tbh it's an arch i'm interested in, Naphex	[19:52]
benkay	what does the message look like?	[19:52]
Naphex	MESSAGE-DATA:UUID:SIGNATURE:OTP	[19:52]
Naphex	for example	[19:52]
Naphex	TIMESTAMP/MICRO:MESSAGE-DATA:UUID:SIGNATURE:OTP	[19:53]
Naphex	forgot that :P	[19:53]
Naphex	signature is hmac-sha256 with secret, from field 1 to uuid	[19:53]
pankkake	you never know where security bugs are	[19:53]
Naphex	OTP - is otp released to the client, by levels email yubikey/gpg/ - whatever	[19:53]
Naphex	messages will only be fowarded by firewalls/load balancers/proxy whatever. only if valid clean message	[19:54]
Naphex	so lets say, max length 120, valid checksum, valid message	[19:54]
benkay	are you just eval'ing those funcalls when you get 'em?	[19:54]
Naphex	then server checks signature, then checks otp	[19:54]
Naphex	i have state-full firewalls that know the protocol before	[19:55]
Naphex	and they check and validate the protocol and messages before	[19:55]
Naphex	just to make sure they are clean, and no 0 day can travell till the end	[19:55]
mike_c	mpex actually did lose some investor funds according to rota :)	[19:56]
thestringpuller	mike_c: good point ;) man that was a long time ago	[19:56]
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asciilifeform	gotta ask, what's the basis for trusting 'yubikey' ?	[19:57]
Naphex	asciilifeform: i trust them mostly, but the security level is chosen by the client. so if client trusts yubi, then it trusts yubi validation servers	[19:58]
Naphex	i will soon be implementing GPG OTP	[19:58]
Naphex	so there	[19:58]
asciilifeform	the hardware.	[19:58]
asciilifeform	afaik - as closed as it gets	[19:59]
Naphex	asciilifeform: http://static.yubico.com/var/uploads/pdfs/Security%20Evaluation%202_0_1.pdf	[20:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.70729420 BTC to 7`514 shares, 36030 satoshi per share	[20:00]
Naphex	i'd recommend the system over gauth	[20:00]
Naphex	and you don't have to keep the secret keys for it	[20:00]
asciilifeform	Naphex: what can we tell from this marketing brochure?	[20:00]
asciilifeform	i see no description of the internals.	[20:01]
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Naphex	of the hardware?	[20:02]
asciilifeform	correct	[20:02]
Naphex	doubt their open	[20:03]
asciilifeform	they're not.	[20:03]
Naphex	but the software is, and there are some yubi software generators around	[20:03]
thestringpuller	what's the point of 2 factor?	[20:03]
asciilifeform	the hardware makes a promise.	[20:03]
asciilifeform	we cannot see if the promise is kept	[20:03]
thestringpuller	true but far less than say bitcoinica	[20:05]
Naphex	i use a yubikey neo, and i'm pretty happy with it	[20:05]
Naphex	i don't place maxtrust on it	[20:05]
Naphex	but it's a level above	[20:05]
Naphex	don't place maxtrust(TM) on anything though :)	[20:06]
asciilifeform	it's never a question of 'maxtrust'	[20:06]
asciilifeform	for instance, what measures, if any, against 'differential power analysis' in yubikey?	[20:08]
fluffypony	on the topic of SeedCoin: http://bitcoin-betting-guide.com/james-cannings-blog/seedcoin-fund-i-update-no-gocoin-what-next/	[20:08]
asciilifeform	the closed aspect suggests, 'none'	[20:08]
thestringpuller	offline/online	[20:10]
benkay	fluffypony: you missed the conversation where we mocked sfi for just listing a bunch of other people's projects on their havelock page.	[20:10]
thestringpuller	sorry misreading your sentence	[20:10]
pankkake	well, GPG allows you to be partially online	[20:10]
fluffypony	benkay: yeah the whole thing is a joke	[20:10]
Naphex	asciilifeform: are you sugesting DPA could be use in retriving yubikey secret?	[20:10]
pankkake	unless it signs with the main key	[20:10]
Naphex	which you would need to generate a valid otp	[20:10]
asciilifeform	Naphex: for instance.	[20:10]
fluffypony	benkay: did you see their reply to my TagPesa questions? they're all shock and horror that I suggested that institutional investors and even casual observers aren't impressed with them	[20:11]
kakobrekla	mike_c : http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/ < dis ok? note the csv url is different nao	[20:11]
benkay	i saw something to the effect in the logs. tbqf i don't in2 drama.	[20:11]
asciilifeform	a closed gadget suggests that there is something to be gained from learning what has been kept closed.	[20:12]
mike_c	kakobrekla: perfect, thanks.	[20:14]
Naphex	asciilifeform: https://www.emsec.rub.de/media/crypto/veroeffentlichungen/2014/02/04/paper_yubikey_sca.pdf apperantly it got sca'd some time ago	[20:15]
Naphex	Having discovered the security problem, before publication, we contacted the	[20:15]
asciilifeform	there we go.	[20:15]
Naphex	vendor Yubico as mentioned before. Yubico acknowledged our results and has	[20:15]
Naphex	taken measures to mitigate the security issues. We examined an updated ﬁrmware	[20:15]
Naphex	(version 2.4) and found that our attacks do not apply to this improved version.	[20:15]
Naphex	so yeah they had to tape the button	[20:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9573 @ 0.0009692 = 9.2782 BTC [+]	[20:16]
asciilifeform	interesting lack of detail about vendor's response.	[20:17]
Naphex	there is a response bit more down	[20:17]
Naphex	something about NEO and STANDARD were unaffected because OATH	[20:17]
asciilifeform	that's a response?	[20:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 405 @ 0.001 = 0.405 BTC	[20:22]
Naphex	guess so, still.. you'd still need the button pressed	[20:23]
Naphex	or taped	[20:23]
Naphex	so a backdoor /trojan wouldn't get it without a huge sample size	[20:24]
Naphex	i'm not trumpeting yubikey, but i don't know of a better OTP atm	[20:24]
asciilifeform	nothing to do with trojans	[20:25]
asciilifeform	the device comes with not one but two gestures of bad faith	[20:26]
asciilifeform	i.e. - close,	[20:26]
asciilifeform	and undertakes to solve a problem to which there can be no solution	[20:26]
asciilifeform	*closed	[20:26]
Naphex	well, i just use it as a solution for OTP without handling private keys	[20:26]
asciilifeform	you're still handling private keys	[20:27]
Naphex	for GAuth you gotta transport the secret to the user	[20:27]
asciilifeform	just in a box	[20:27]
asciilifeform	that is decorated with alchemical symbols, in order to seem impenetrable to naive buyer	[20:27]
Naphex	you're not handling the private keys since you can just check yubico servers	[20:28]
asciilifeform	you gotta transport the secret to the user << did i wake up today in a parallel universe where public-key crypto was never invented ?	[20:28]
Naphex	you only need client's pubkey	[20:28]
Naphex	asciilifeform: still protecting Gauth secret ruins the whole point	[20:29]
Naphex	if i have to deliver DH/GPG secret to the client for GAuth	[20:29]
Naphex	to just have it on the phone / or cached or who knows what	[20:30]
Naphex	i'd just stop ther eand request gpg auth:P	[20:30]
asciilifeform	take minute to think, what is yubi hiding, when refusing to publish the design ?	[20:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3572 @ 0.0009692 = 3.462 BTC [+]	[20:30]
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Naphex	well - a completly open OTP token, with hardware for sale would make a killin'	[20:33]
Naphex	i'd buy one	[20:33]
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Naphex	;;rate 1 asciilifeform NSA Should make a open OTP Token ;]	[20:39]
gribble	Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.	[20:39]
Naphex	;;rate 1 asciilifeform NSA Should make a open OTP Token	[20:39]
gribble	Error: 'asciilifeform' is not a valid integer.	[20:39]
Naphex	psh	[20:39]
Naphex	;;rate asciilifeform 1 NSA Should make a open OTP Token	[20:39]
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Naphex	noob me, forgeting syntax	[20:39]
kakobrekla	Naphex forget it, he is busy with the sub	[20:39]
pankkake	;;rate asciilifeform 1 makes the best tinfoil hats	[20:40]
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asciilifeform	Naphex: 'cardano' could in principle be used as 'token.' but you gotta understand the difference between what yubi promises and what honest people can actually physically achieve	[20:40]
asciilifeform	ed felten's words, 'try to make a safe that can be left in burglar's living room' sums up the issue	[20:40]
benkay	what does yubi nominally promise?	[20:41]
asciilifeform	benkay: it promises that a private key can be sent in the post, left plugged in at wiring closet, etc. without danger.	[20:41]
benkay	hue	[20:41]
benkay	I WOULD LIKE A CARDANO PLZ	[20:42]
diametric	me too	[20:42]
Naphex	for me it promises a OTP, from the user. which i can validate without holding a secret	[20:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 32 @ 0.00709698 = 0.2271 BTC [-] {5}	[20:43]
asciilifeform	Naphex: what i'm trying to get across is that a fellow with yubikey in his pocket is, in fact, 'holding a secret'	[20:43]
Naphex	and OTP just removes the risk of insider/intrusion that can just spam hotwallet servers or trade messages with withdrawals	[20:43]
asciilifeform	even if a con artist has fooled him into thinking otherwise	[20:43]
Naphex	asciilifeform: i'm talking from a server end point, i don't have to keep user secret. just public key	[20:43]
Naphex	so user gives me yubi pub key, and then shoots OTP	[20:44]
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Naphex	i validate OTP against yubiservers	[20:44]
asciilifeform	since no one groks, looks like i'll have to 'draw a picture.'	[20:44]
asciilifeform	extraction of yubi internal key by the postman isn't the only interesting scenario	[20:45]
asciilifeform	vendor has the key.	[20:45]
asciilifeform	does he need to? the way it is designed - yes	[20:45]
artifexd	If it makes a difference, yubikey's internal slots are client writable.	[20:45]
Naphex	true, but my risk is still reduced, that an attacker/breacher would have to have private keys leaked, have user secrets, and have user email, and penetrate hard within infrastructure without detection, to nab some satoshi from the hot wallet	[20:46]
asciilifeform	likewise, given closed design, user has no way of knowing if yubi tosses a few bits of key into each signature nonce	[20:46]
asciilifeform	etc	[20:46]
benkay	can't vet the thing's behavior, artifexd. might as well be squirting things written to those slots back home.	[20:46]
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Naphex	some risk reduction is worth it, even if not bulletproof in all theoretical/practical/NSA cases	[20:47]
asciilifeform	you don't need an army and navy to pwn yubi users. just a little bit of cooperation from the vendor.	[20:47]
Naphex	at least some 0 day or insider, or whatever breaches deep enough to issue withdrawal messages	[20:48]
asciilifeform	in that respect, it is exactly like other seekoority snake oil products.	[20:48]
Naphex	it still needs that stuff to do damage	[20:48]
artifexd	The point was that, instead of reading the key, an attacker could put his own key in there since he supposedly has access to the device prior to the client getting it. Also, the client could generate and insert is own keys thus destroying the attacker's advantage.	[20:48]
Naphex	you don't have to go that deep	[20:48]
artifexd	That may, or may not, invalidate the ability to use yubikey's servers though. I don't know.	[20:48]
asciilifeform	all of the traditional crapola is present. enforced and perpetual dependence on the vendor, for example.	[20:49]
kakobrekla	gox loaded yubis with their keys so the keys were locked to gox use only	[20:49]
Naphex	you can just realtime phish or sniff/block otp	[20:49]
Naphex	but that attack needs to be targeted	[20:49]
Naphex	and gox had the keys	[20:50]
asciilifeform	fact is, any secret key generated outside of your home should be assumed to be in enemy hands at birth.	[20:50]
Naphex	of course	[20:51]
benkay	all of a sudden i'm struck by the notion that the only good withdrawal message is one gpg-signed by the withdrawing party.	[20:51]
Naphex	said signer can still leak his keyphrase and key	[20:51]
Naphex	so..	[20:51]
benkay	not holding party's problem, though.	[20:51]
asciilifeform	yubi, by all indications, is designed to resist any attempt to determine whether it leaks key. therefore i must assume that it does.	[20:52]
artifexd	benkay If the yubikey registers as a keyboard, how can it access the network?	[20:53]
artifexd	It can certainly be loaded on an airgapped machine.	[20:54]
Naphex	artifexd: you touch the button, it types the OTP	[20:56]
artifexd	Yeah. I have several.	[20:56]
Naphex	ah sorry, i missread	[20:56]
artifexd	benkay suggested that the yubikey could phone home (or any attacker) with the new contents if it were reloaded. I was questioning that.	[20:57]
Naphex	ah, i doubt it. unless their personalization tool phones home, but doubt that	[20:58]
benkay	artifexd: i don't know enough about the thing. it pretends to be a keyboard, though? sounds like a lot of unexaminable dependencies.	[20:59]
artifexd	And even if it did, run it on an airgapped machine.	[20:59]
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benkay	so yubi is a signing thing? what are these yubi servers an implementer talks to?	[20:59]
benkay	it sounds weird and i don't trust it.	[20:59]
benkay	contrast with transparency of...gnu privacy guard.	[21:00]
artifexd	Similar to the transparency of... openssl?	[21:01]
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benkay	bedrock of public crypto...known shitburger. great comparison.	[21:02]
artifexd	Open source compared to open source. The point is that being open doesn't make something trustworthy.	[21:03]
benkay	however being closed does make a thing impossible to trust.	[21:04]
benkay	this goes back to the problem of trust in the wot. openssl, pirate...ask anyone who knows things what they think of the two.	[21:05]
benkay	hey, guys: which is less likely to leak? openssl or gpg?	[21:05]
benkay	the comparison is not made on the basis of openness, rather by asking professionals and the experienced what their opinions are and why they are that.	[21:05]
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Naphex	for me its still about risk reduction	[21:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06566806 = 0.197 BTC [-] {2}	[21:08]
Naphex	attacker needs username, password, otp(yubi,gpg), email for approving a withdrawal	[21:08]
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thestringpuller	Naphex: i can get all three by putting a gun to the customer's head	[21:10]
thestringpuller	4*	[21:10]
pankkake	you couldn't, I don't have my passwords	[21:11]
Naphex	sure. if you get all 4 the only thing that can save you is hope you don't hit any short-circuits or be enough in the hot wallet	[21:11]
Naphex	:P	[21:11]
Naphex	maybe i can ask an emergency question?	[21:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00096938 = 3.2959 BTC [+]	[21:12]
Naphex	and only one right answer, if you put in wrong answer we helicopter and save you	[21:12]
pankkake	:D	[21:12]
thestringpuller	why not consolidate all 4 to gpg	[21:13]
Naphex	you can set some really abstract question	[21:13]
Naphex	thestringpuller: i am, i will be adding GPG auth. but thats it	[21:13]
Naphex	we are planning on reaching regular folks as well	[21:13]
Naphex	not just the crypto community	[21:13]
Naphex	but we will be adding some nice UX for GPG authentication	[21:14]
Naphex	and doing some tutorial video for setting up, for noobs	[21:14]
Naphex	so there's that	[21:14]
Naphex	https://www.btcxchange.ro/order - its meant to have some easyability in it, remember it's an exchange and we will be having a transaction fee at some point	[21:16]
ozbot	btcXchange.ro - The first Bitcoin exchange in Romania	[21:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00097105 = 6.3118 BTC [+] {2}	[21:35]
Duffer1	sf2? oh lawd another one?	[21:36]
mike_c	there are so many good companies for them to invest in! they need more funds.	[21:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.000835 = 0.167 BTC [+] {2}	[21:36]
Duffer1	incredible	[21:37]
Naphex	BTCTrip is nice and works well	[21:37]
fluffypony	Naphex: that's the exception to the rule	[21:38]
fluffypony	it's actually a completed product	[21:38]
fluffypony	have you seen TagPesa's pitch deck?	[21:38]
fluffypony	or BiTnews	[21:38]
Naphex	nah, the rest look like bull	[21:38]
Naphex	http://ignitefinancing.com/operators/	[21:38]
ozbot	Operators \| Ignite Financing	[21:38]
Naphex	rly	[21:38]
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thestringpuller	;;google major tom venture bros.	[21:49]
gribble	Major Tom \| The Venture Bros. \| Adult Swim - YouTube: ; Major Tom - The Venture Bros. Wiki - The People's Republic of ...: ; Ghosts of the Sargasso - The Venture Bros. Wiki - The People's ...:	[21:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33288 @ 0.00097529 = 32.4655 BTC [+] {2}	[22:05]
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dR3	Greets all. Appreciate this chan. That is all =)	[22:25]
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thestringpuller	they are gonna show us howt hey run this show	[22:33]
thestringpuller	HOW THEY RUN IT INTO THE GROUND	[22:33]
mike_c	they got their mistakes out of the way with SF1. You need to jump on SF2, it's going to the moon.	[22:33]
thestringpuller	i'd rather put money in mpif	[22:33]
thestringpuller	or just make equal high weight bets on boths sides of a bit bet...	[22:34]
thestringpuller	:P	[22:34]
fluffypony	who needs dividends, jurov?	[22:35]
fluffypony	investors should just throw money at it	[22:35]
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asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu my hunch is that all known block ciphers have non-linear keyspaces.	[22:42]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	;;google nonlinear keyspace	[22:42]
gribble	Weak key - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; hybrid message-embedded cipher using logistic map - arXiv: ; State convergence and keyspace reduction of the Mixer stream cipher:	[22:42]
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asciilifeform	jurov: this notion is not original to me, visit the literature	[22:46]
midnightmagic	history of past bad keyspace means attackers try that first always	[22:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.0009754 = 22.1416 BTC [+] {3}	[22:47]
midnightmagic	(aside from weak keygen)	[22:47]
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BingoBoingo	mike_c: It will be harder to track my part of MPIF, but the monthly statements will still exist, and there's the part where at least at the start of this the operation I am running is smaller than the other portions.	[22:49]
mike_c	it would be feasible to have a webpage showing your balances. that is perhaps not a good idea for a market maker though.	[22:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [-]	[22:57]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Well, the monthly reports will include exact balances, but I'm not yet sure about the wisdom of offering balances in real time. That might leak things like when exactly trades executed and where I had orders sitting on the orderbook.	[22:58]
mike_c	yeah. definitely a balancing act with how visible it should be.	[22:59]
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fluffypony	"Due to popular demand, now available to trade on an easier to use system. Available here https://bitcoinbourse.eu/ ticker DUN"	[23:03]
fluffypony	well that's the end of that	[23:03]
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fluffypony	jurov: well you also don't have to do anything to list	[23:07]
fluffypony	except say "I want to list"	[23:07]
fluffypony	in fact	[23:07]
fluffypony	I'd hazard it's easier to list there than on MasterCoin	[23:07]
fluffypony	yep	[23:07]
fluffypony	:-P	[23:07]
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moiety	my client was flashing when i got in, not sure if it was because moiety or manuls was mentioned	[23:23]
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moiety	;; later tell mircea_popescu even the doges are at it now http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-04/enhanced/webdr04/25/10/enhanced-buzz-22480-1398437911-8.jpg must be for cinco de mayo	[23:24]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:24]
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fluffypony	LOL	[23:25]
fluffypony	have to show my wife that	[23:25]
fluffypony	moiety: I mentioned manuls	[23:25]
pankkake	lol a hilight on manuls	[23:26]
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moiety	alongside moiety... so im unsure which triggered smuxi to flash	[23:26]
moiety	hi pankkake :D	[23:26]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Do you worry that maybe your wife might begin to suspect you might be spending all of this time online trying to cheat on her with a Manul?	[23:27]
moiety	that would obviously be forgiven as soon as she looked up manuls?	[23:27]
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moiety	also herroo BB :D	[23:28]
asciilifeform	fly manul to argentina, breed with colocolo -> double thickness	[23:28]
moiety	you are a genius	[23:28]
diametric	asciilifeform: hows mainboard development going?	[23:28]
asciilifeform	diametric: had to switch to 4-layer.	[23:28]
asciilifeform	diametric: something that i was hoping to avoid	[23:28]
diametric	damn	[23:29]
moiety	i tried to rewire a mouse today, didnt go so well	[23:29]
pankkake	a manul ate it?	[23:30]
moiety	unfortunately not. i tried to frankenstein the usb bit on the end with a non frayed one. i ended up with more bits than i started with D;	[23:31]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: we have 6 dogs	[23:31]
fluffypony	she knows I would never	[23:31]
moiety	the hattori is a bit more vicious on little wires than i was expecting	[23:32]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: All it takes is 1 Manul and then you have 0 dogs	[23:32]
moiety	^ this	[23:32]
fluffypony	we have Basenjis	[23:32]
fluffypony	they'll take a Manul on	[23:32]
moiety	oh wow they dont bark do they	[23:32]
fluffypony	nope	[23:32]
fluffypony	they yodel	[23:32]
moiety	yodelling dogs!	[23:32]
moiety	i know the ones!	[23:32]
moiety	they are corgi coloured BB but legs are like 5 times the length	[23:33]
BingoBoingo	They look like malnourished strays	[23:33]
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fluffypony	BingoBoingo: lol	[23:33]
moiety	just because youre used to seeing fat assed corgis	[23:33]
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moiety	you would be horrified at greyhounds	[23:34]
fluffypony	they're one of the ancient breeds, so they're the dogs in ancient egypt that the pharoahs worshipped	[23:34]
asciilifeform	basenji - that looks quite like the dogs i saw in Timis.	[23:34]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The basenji is basically a pariah dog type. What other dogs revert to after uncontrolled breeding. Natural strays.	[23:34]
fluffypony	yer`	[23:35]
fluffypony	if you lock a bunch of dogs on an island	[23:35]
fluffypony	say, Australia	[23:35]
fluffypony	and come back in 100 years	[23:35]
fluffypony	you'll have an island of Basenjis	[23:35]
BingoBoingo	Compare to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Black_Terrier	[23:35]
assbot	Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes.	[23:36]
*	assbot gives voice to justusranvier	[23:36]
assbot	Voicing mius for 30 minutes.	[23:36]
*	assbot gives voice to mius	[23:36]
BingoBoingo	Or its ancestor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Water_Dog	[23:36]
BingoBoingo	'They were developed as a water rescue/lifesaving dog, but according to O. Krasnovskaya, "That was not a good idea as [they] were not willing to save drowning people, but mostly were looking to bite them so this breed was never developed".'	[23:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]	[23:37]
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Naphex	sounds in tune with youtube russia :)	[23:40]
Naphex	gn	[23:42]
moiety	rhodesian ridgeback is an interesting dog imo	[23:45]
BingoBoingo	just because it hunts lions, doesn't mean it will be effective against a Manul though.	[23:46]
moiety	night Naphex sleep well :]	[23:46]
moiety	nothing is effective against a manul!	[23:46]
fluffypony	moiety: except a pack of Basenjis!	[23:46]
fluffypony	:-P	[23:46]
moiety	well, you have a pack.... shall we experiment?	[23:47]
moiety	BB start the BitBet nao!	[23:47]
moiety	put your bitcoins where your basenjis are fluffypony :P	[23:48]
*	moiety bets on manuls	[23:48]
fluffypony	lol	[23:48]
fluffypony	moiety I would	[23:48]
fluffypony	but	[23:48]
fluffypony	I don't want to be responsible for a dead manul	[23:48]
*	Sahtor has quit (Quit: Sahtor)	[23:49]
moiety	dead happy manul*	[23:49]
moiety	dead = very in scotland	[23:49]
fluffypony	lol	[23:49]
fluffypony	moiety here	[23:51]
fluffypony	http://imgur.com/a/1I7tm	[23:51]
ozbot	Basenji fight - Imgur	[23:51]
fluffypony	that's what happens when the beta picks a fight with the alpha	[23:51]
fluffypony	(the beta lost, he's the one with the bust up eye)	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	%t	[23:52]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 156 Ask: 238 Last Price: 200 24h-Vol: 978k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 184	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	so how was the difficulty ?	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	%block	[23:53]
mod6	%diff	[23:53]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 174611.14 in 1931 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -61.65	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	aty	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	.d	[23:53]
ozbot	6.979 billion \| Next Diff in 180 blocks \| Estimated Change: 14.5004% in 1d 1h 20m 11s	[23:53]
moiety	fluffypony: wow what a shame D;	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 455357.13 / 6.979 / 10**9	[23:53]
gribble	6.5246758848e-05	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	0.00006524 by diff.	[23:54]
fluffypony	moiety: yeah, they belong to the "fight to the death" school of pack leadership :-P	[23:54]
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moiety	fluffypony: like hamsters	[23:55]
fluffypony	there we go	[23:55]
fluffypony	giant, yodelling hamsters	[23:55]
moiety	XD bahahahahaha	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform its probable yubikeys have a master, yes.	[23:55]
*	punkman has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)	[23:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not only this, but they write the key. ergo, they have the key.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	somehow this concept is 'rocket surgery' to people.	[23:57]
fluffypony	it's still a sight better than "password + birthday = secure password"	[23:59]

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