Forum logs for 28 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
fluffypony mircea_popescu: yeah it puts stuff into perspective [00:00]
mircea_popescu [00:02]
ozbot Internet troll personality study: Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy, sadism. [00:02]
mircea_popescu notice that it's published by the... climate desk. [00:02]
mircea_popescu ever since the 90s, various pompous idiots du jour have been rehashing thins nonsense about "how bad trolls are". [00:02]
mircea_popescu an exact mirroring of the infinite hitpoints problem : society strictly exists because of the trolls. [00:03]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, there's an infinite supply of pompous idiots, and an infinite supply of fecal "consensus" these shitheads readily adhere to. [00:03]
mircea_popescu so please, everyone with half a brain cell : if you've not trolled someone this week, do so. [00:04]
mircea_popescu preferably someone with a large ideological support structure : a feminist, a race warrior, something. [00:04]
mircea_popescu anti-inequality folks work too. [00:04]
fluffypony I've been trolling bitcointalk hard, does that count? [00:05]
mircea_popescu sure. [00:05]
dub tbh by looking at bitcointalk you are being trolled so, no [00:06]
mircea_popescu it doesn't really matter if he [00:07]
mircea_popescu s winning or losing [00:07]
mircea_popescu just as long as he's not "sharing" or w/e bullshit the bovines engage in. [00:07]
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dub i'd suggest by his handle that he'll never get to play ata ll [00:10]
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dub how did gypsycon go anyway? [00:16]
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mircea_popescu what's wrong with his handle ?! [00:17]
mircea_popescu [00:17]
ozbot NY Judge in Largest Bankruptcy Case in History Receives IRS & SEC [00:17]
dub nothing at all, throwin up brony gang signs is perfectly normal, like an anime forum avatar [00:18]
mircea_popescu so guy's looking like a brony. you figure that hurts ? [00:19]
dub it doesnt hurt me but it puts him in the same bucket as ukyo [00:20]
mircea_popescu was Ukyo's wife blonde ? [00:20]
dub i didnt think it was legal for a 13 y/o tp marry in texas [00:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06767001 = 0.1353 BTC [-] {2} [00:23]
mircea_popescu well so then, [00:23]
mircea_popescu different buckets. [00:23]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0349999 = 0.35 BTC [+] [00:25]
dub a) the gender of that thing is unclear b) looks like a shitty 'your message here' generator things [00:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0349999 = 0.35 BTC [+] [00:26]
fluffypony dub: normal res - [00:26]
dub that is shopped I can tell by the pixels and etcetc [00:27]
mircea_popescu dub, is that urmom ? [00:27]
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mircea_popescu and besides, women have dogchins all the time. doesn't mean they're trannies. [00:28]
dub true and not much room for dick in dem pants [00:29]
dub I thought of you while in cambodia mp [00:29]
dub interesting study of the nigger dilemna there, a generation ago all the smart people were removed [00:30]
mircea_popescu how come ? [00:30]
dub well pol pot [00:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [+] [00:31]
dub khmer rouge etc, but they were subjugated long before that and still are [00:31]
mircea_popescu ah. [00:32]
mircea_popescu yea. [00:32]
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dub they just don't seem to have any means to improve, under the 'murica way type bullshit sentiment capitalism relies on [00:34]
mircea_popescu so what do they do [00:34]
dub they slave [00:34]
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mircea_popescu cool. [00:35]
mircea_popescu i really have no fucking sympathy for peoples that failed to protect their elites. [00:35]
mircea_popescu they should slave. forever. [00:35]
dub one of my guides was a teenage guy with some english, works 7 days a week for a french operated tour for 5 months to pay for 1 month of 1 hour a day of schooling [00:37]
mircea_popescu cool kid. so did you take him out ? [00:37]
dub thats almost all of the kids [00:37]
mircea_popescu so pick one. [00:37]
dub thats not how it is supposed to work [00:38]
dub he's supposed to be able to get out right? [00:38]
mircea_popescu nope. [00:38]
mircea_popescu not on his own. [00:38]
dub his parents survived meaning they farm rice [00:39]
dub probably only enough to sustain their 9 kids [00:39]
mircea_popescu well yeah. [00:39]
mircea_popescu his parents failed to die fighting pol pot to protect the cool people of cambodia [00:39]
mircea_popescu which means their kid now has to depend on random people's charity. [00:39]
mircea_popescu sucks for him, too, seeing how the random people in a position to be charitable are trained not to be. [00:40]
dub they probably fought for pol pot, it was a chinese backed communist coup [00:40]
mircea_popescu so then the kid definitely should not be able to get out. [00:40]
dub (which the UN and international community continued to back 20 years after the genocide) [00:41]
mircea_popescu which is why rather than paying tax you'd be better off picking kids off the street in cambodia [00:41]
dub its not a solution [00:42]
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dub the majority of his peers have inhereted their parents placitude meaning he's isolated, he can't build useful networks or get much help from anyone [00:48]
dub they also suffer the usual religious crippling with extra helpings of ancient superstition [00:50]
dub and now their former overlords (frenchies) or western capitalists own all the means of production and basically work the native population to death [00:51]
mircea_popescu you keep being fixated on this self-made thing. [00:53]
mircea_popescu that works in a different sort of society, one that's not made out of fuckwits. [00:53]
mircea_popescu in this kids' case, he'll have to find a master. a good one. [00:53]
dub the kid was not exceptional [00:54]
mircea_popescu so ? [00:54]
bitcoinpete [00:55]
ozbot Some basic discussion of charity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [00:55]
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benkay dub: what comments section, yo? [00:55]
dub so, any auxillary factor or guradian angel bullshit aside, they are fucked [00:55]
dub benkay: ur blawg, i gave you my blog commenting virginity and you snubbed me [00:57]
benkay comments work, just email it in [00:57]
benkay what is my email broken too? [00:57]
dub clearly in several ways [00:57]
dub it didnt accept smtp at first so I used some remailer [00:58]
benkay what are you going on about [01:00]
benkay [01:00]
dub mp: point is the 'any man can claw his way north' politics that lets most people sleep an night is clearly bunk here [01:00]
benkay nobody's clawing their way north, speshully in teh us [01:02]
dub yes google don't grok smtp [01:03]
dub checed spam maybe? I don't care enough to reauthor [01:03]
dub it was about why +m is retarded [01:04]
benkay encrypted tends to make it through uninterdicted [01:04]
benkay yup right there in spam [01:04]
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dub one way to filter comment spam I guess [01:05]
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mircea_popescu dub claw his way north, aye, but not as far as he feels like. [01:09]
mircea_popescu as far as he can. [01:09]
mircea_popescu !up SatoshiJack [01:10]
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mircea_popescu dub you can dump why +m is retarded right here lol [01:10]
SatoshiJack Hey thanks MP. [01:10]
dub I couldnt at the time :) [01:10]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo there ? [01:10]
mircea_popescu so no longer retarded ? [01:11]
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dub he'll post it, tl;dr its a dumb way to fix spam but a coll experiment in circle jerks [01:12]
dub cool* [01:12]
fluffypony I don't think the issue is spam [01:14]
dub initially was iirc? [01:15]
ThickAsThieves not sure how to prove it, but it does seem we've had more frequent and better new users show up [01:15]
mircea_popescu << [01:15]
ozbot F.MPIF last @0.00000000 [01:15]
mircea_popescu pls to check it out, ima sign it if nobody finds typos. [01:16]
mircea_popescu dub it's not really intended to fight spam. it's intended to foster good quality circle jerking. [01:16]
mircea_popescu the sort that then stomps on the balls of everyone else and sends them to work in the mines of cambodia [01:16]
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mircea_popescu i swear, twitter has got the art and science of making it look like shit happened when nothing occured down to a fine point. [01:17]
dub ThickAsThieves: indistinguishable from removing the casual derptroll imo [01:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0349998 = 0.455 BTC [-] [01:17]
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fluffypony dub: not so [01:17]
mircea_popescu it's like... "198470598094385 updates!!11" then you look... three people favourited five things. [01:18]
dub ThickAsThieves: which is easily achieved with ops [01:18]
fluffypony people hang around and first figure out "ohey I can't talk" [01:18]
fluffypony then they figure out why [01:18]
fluffypony then they watch for a bit [01:18]
fluffypony then eventually they talk [01:18]
mircea_popescu dub the impersonality of it is quite important. people are otherwise too inclined to figure " ican't talk because x is mean" [01:18]
mircea_popescu rather than "well... guess what... i suck" [01:18]
fluffypony instead of the normal join -> derp -> "hey here's a link to my IPO for AwesomeCasino 3.9" [01:18]
jurov assbot is mean! [01:21]
fluffypony meanness level = so ? [01:21]
mircea_popescu According to court documents, the second amended Joint Chapter 11 Plan, approved on December 13, 2013 allows for the liquidation of hundreds of billions of dollars worth of homeowners’ mortgages to legendary business billionaire magnate—the fourth richest man in the world, according to Forbes, Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway, Inc. and Ocwen Loan Servicing, L.L.C. [01:24]
mircea_popescu The bankruptcy terms allows Berkshire Hathaway and Ocwen to purchase over $400 billion worth of mortgages and RMBS trusts for less than $5 billion. Once these mortgages are sold, Berkshire Hathaway and Ocwen will be bankruptcy remote. That means that once the mortgage assets are sold to them, American homeowners, like Morse, will not be able to obtain, through discovery, in judicial proceedings, the documents pertainin [01:24]
mircea_popescu g to their mortgages to determine if there is an issue with their property’s chain of title or verify if there is a free, clear and legally traceable ownership of their homes. [01:24]
mircea_popescu In effect, mortgage records of millions of American homeowners would be destroyed. [01:24]
mircea_popescu this entire fannie and freddie saga is becoming gnarlier each year. [01:24]
benkay !up Mats_cd03 [01:27]
assbot Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes. [01:27]
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dub im in a channel where everyone is usually oped, has a similar effect on SNR, people assume no bullshit will fly [01:27]
Mats_cd03 sankq [01:27]
mircea_popescu what channel is that ? [01:27]
dub in fact, in ~15 years a cant recal seeing anyone kicked [01:27]
Mats_cd03 was looking at craigslist today... [01:28]
Mats_cd03 ^_^ [01:28]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: 2.2 (c) - one year should be hyphenated [01:29]
fluffypony Mats_cd03: you should take that offer, sounds great and not rapey [01:29]
dub its on a network with no services and most of the people have 1 or 2 degrees RL separation, all net eng types [01:29]
mircea_popescu dub so 20 people and 500 lines a week ? [01:30]
Mats_cd03 ya dude hes straight im good [01:31]
dub bigger than that, used to regularly produce more content than here [01:31]
mircea_popescu i doubt that. [01:31]
mircea_popescu #freenode doesn't produce more crap than here. [01:31]
dub lol [01:31]
mircea_popescu anyway. this thing is freely and amply advertised. your shyness in naming the other clearly makes the point : [01:32]
mircea_popescu they're not the same. [01:32]
mircea_popescu ;;ud snr [01:33]
gribble | SNR. Stoke to Nut Ratio. How many strokes it takes one to ejaculate. Don Juan: Hey I just beat my SNR record; I just hit 36! (Dirty Six) Nigga: Cool Story Bro, ... [01:33]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: snr [01:33]
mircea_popescu oic. [01:33]
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mircea_popescu !up bawse [01:34]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: otherwise it looks all good [01:35]
mircea_popescu im not hyphenating any one years, what is this, britain ? [01:35]
mircea_popescu [01:36]
ozbot Lawsuit: Cops found nothing in raid, so they PLANTED DRUGS to frame innocent woman | The Daily Calle [01:36]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: pfffft, then you should go and change authorised to authorized :-P [01:37]
Mats_cd03 [01:37]
ozbot VIX and More: The Correction As Seen in the ETP Landscape [01:37]
mircea_popescu fluffypony :p [01:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 227 @ 0.00445268 = 1.0108 BTC [+] {2} [01:39]
mircea_popescu [01:39]
mircea_popescu iceland electricity is moar eco friendly than your electricity [01:39]
fluffypony such design [01:40]
Mats_cd03 [01:40]
ozbot China's New Class Hierarchy: A Guide [01:40]
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mircea_popescu !up Ken` [01:52]
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Ken` :) [01:53]
mircea_popescu so who're you ? [01:54]
bitcoinpete < [01:55]
ozbot Twitter / JuicyGrabs: @danielpbarron What? Haha. ... [01:55]
fluffypony Bed time, cheers [01:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0349998 = 0.245 BTC [+] [01:58]
Ken` mircea_popescu: I trade options (US stock market) and bitcoin [01:59]
mircea_popescu that'd be what. [01:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0349999 = 0.245 BTC [+] [01:59]
mircea_popescu < nice blog. [02:00]
bitcoinpete it's quite primarily colourful [02:01]
Ken` looks like a copy of zerohedge at first glance [02:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0409999 = 0.451 BTC [+] [02:01]
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bitcoinpete [02:05]
ozbot “Philanthropy.” Not Power. | When Bitcoin Met Pete [02:05]
bitcoinpete and with that, i be off to dinner. cheers. [02:05]
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ThickAsThieves <+Mats_cd03> was looking at craigslist today... /// lol I lived in new bedford [02:08]
ThickAsThieves cant quite suss what that guy is up to [02:08]
ThickAsThieves just a man wanting to live in a world where his dick can bulge free? [02:09]
ThickAsThieves looks like an atc rally today [02:10]
ThickAsThieves ATC @ 0.00000230 BTC [02:10]
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ThickAsThieves "as much as 69 percent of extra virgin olive oil in the US is substandard" [02:14]
mircea_popescu i can attest to this [02:15]
mircea_popescu a pain to get decent olive oil [02:15]
mike_c "The named individual is in fact at the time of this agreement the sole proprietor and operator of both named corporations," [02:16]
mike_c sounds odd when disucussing pif [02:16]
mircea_popescu h, [02:16]
mircea_popescu hm [02:16]
mircea_popescu yeah maybe not the best wording. still, i am controlling both things, and so forth. [02:17]
mike_c yes, just made me scratch my head for a second, and scroll back up to see if pif was a corporation. [02:18]
mircea_popescu well what else. [02:18]
mircea_popescu hedge funds are in fact corporations. [02:18]
kakobrekla llcs :) [02:19]
mike_c idk. 'sole proprietor' and 'public corporation' are mutually exclusive, no? [02:19]
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mircea_popescu where does it say "public corporation" ? [02:21]
mike_c sole proprietor means you get all the money. [02:21]
mike_c it does not say public corporation. but you are issuing shares. [02:21]
mircea_popescu but issuing shares after the agreemnet. [02:21]
kakobrekla where is that from anyway? [02:21]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla teh f.mpif [02:21]
kakobrekla i dont see the contract up? [02:22]
mircea_popescu but it is. [02:22]
mike_c [02:22]
ozbot F.MPIF last @0.00000000 [02:22]
kakobrekla ah [02:22]
kakobrekla im blind [02:22]
mircea_popescu as well as large. [02:22]
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mike_c perhaps "The named individual is in fact at the time of this agreement the sole proprietor of MPIF and the operator of MPEx, and they were represented..." [02:23]
mike_c but, other than that nitpick the contract read fine to me. [02:23]
mircea_popescu yeah, it's misstated but i can't see what exactly it'd impact [02:25]
benkay dub i pub'd your comment [02:31]
benkay [02:31]
mircea_popescu the irony here being that his comment about moderation ended up in spam [02:31]
benkay encrypt or die [02:32]
benkay a few suggestions on +m: [02:32]
benkay - auto up. [02:32]
benkay (if auth'd) [02:32]
benkay - some mechanism for new blood to signal they'd like voice [02:32]
mircea_popescu benkay do i have to install some sort of special software to see these comments ? [02:33]
mircea_popescu benkay why should they signal ? if anyone sees some interesting looking new people they can voice them. [02:33]
benkay they're hidden. [02:33]
mircea_popescu it's a pull not a push [02:33]
kakobrekla i can see the comment [02:34]
benkay so that when i'm on a roaming connection i can get everyone's attention for the !up at once lol [02:34]
kakobrekla no css will get you that [02:35]
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mircea_popescu !up Lee- [02:36]
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mircea_popescu !up mircea_popescu [02:36]
assbot Really, mircea_popescu? [02:36]
mircea_popescu sucks that got fixed ;/ [02:36]
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kakobrekla benkay bouncer [02:37]
benkay got one kako [02:37]
benkay dun always take keys into hostile turf tho [02:37]
kakobrekla but you could code your bnc to accept some disposable sekrit to !up you remotley [02:38]
benkay some days i'm just hopping onto an available web client and don't feel like iterating through the list of people i know in the chan manually to get upped [02:38]
Duffer1 if anyone needs ups i'm usually lurking pm me [02:39]
benkay that's... [02:39]
benkay that erodes even more of IRC's vaunted flexibility, kakobrekla . [02:39]
dub yep, I was in singapore airport yesterday tried to get someones attention in here, no dice [02:39]
dub fuck if Im taking keys to somewhere my bank balance alone is more than 1000 people earn in their lifetime [02:40]
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benkay dub dear could i beg a favor [02:42]
benkay wouldja be so kind as to clearsign that comment? [02:42]
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dub its kinda a pita but ok [02:43]
benkay nm then [02:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0345 = 0.1035 BTC [+] {2} [02:45]
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dub gribble needs that widget [02:46]
benkay which widget? [02:46]
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Duffer1 "To be an investor you simply need to invest money. There is no minimum or qualifications like you imagine." - Jimmothy [02:47]
dub well no, but a gribble signed pastebin oslt [02:47]
Duffer1 is there bitcointalk !bash? [02:47]
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mircea_popescu i wonder if we could have !atc [02:49]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 yes. bitcointalk. [02:49]
mike_c mod6 made a bot that lives in #altcoin. does a lot of cool atc stats. [02:50]
Duffer1 god why do i find that depressing [02:50]
mircea_popescu mod6 add it ? [02:51]
dub Duffer1: don't read anything else that mouthbreather fingerfarts then he's 100$ retarded [02:51]
Duffer1 %? [02:52]
benkay a hundred dollars retarded! [02:52]
dub no $ [02:52]
danielpbarron hah, finally caught up with reading the scroll back; time for dinner :Q [02:52]
benkay ;;ud fingerfart [02:52]
gribble | "Mom, the teacher said I made too many finger farts on my research paper". by The Bandit Donny August 23, 2008. 8 5. Mugs & shirts Buy “Finger Fart” mugs & ... [02:52]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: Finger Fart [02:52]
dub newfags? [02:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00095537 = 5.3501 BTC [+] [03:04]
mod6 ahh, yeah made that bot that does atc stats. want me to add it in here mp? [03:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-] [03:06]
mircea_popescu "Congrats to talented and beautiful @LaurenMBias for her award from @NYULYP for commitment to community, philanthropy and entrepreneurism." [03:07]
dub hmm the farm I buy my olive oil from has been for sale for a while, IPO? [03:07]
mircea_popescu ima get a fucking aneurism. [03:07]
mircea_popescu mod6 please [03:07]
mircea_popescu "All but one of the individual winners of Pulitzer Prizes in journalism this year were male." << this is particularly funny in romanian [03:08]
mircea_popescu ;;ud puli [03:09]
gribble | A massive chav; someone with no class. Often fond of wearing tracksuits, caps and gold chains. [03:09]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: Puli [03:09]
mircea_popescu ;;ud pula [03:09]
gribble | pula. the Romanian word for dick/cock. Imi bag pula-n mãta. Esti o pulã bleagã. Sugi pula la ... "Mooom, would you give me 5 pula i wanna buy a condom". "Look  ... [03:09]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: pula [03:09]
mircea_popescu well puli is teh plural. [03:09]
mod6 Ok, will do. It has the ability to broadcast x-bt atc/btc trades as well, its not turned on by default. [03:10]
mod6 Let me know if you'd like that as well. [03:10]
mircea_popescu that may be a little much [03:10]
mod6 agreed. [03:11]
mircea_popescu maybe have it print the day's average once a day ? [03:11]
mod6 it has a !ticker command. that should suffice. [03:11]
mircea_popescu can it do that ? like 23 @ 0.03400009 = 0.782 BTC {144} sort of thing [03:11]
kakobrekla on demand is fine really [03:11]
mircea_popescu or that yes. better. [03:11]
mod6 *nod* [03:11]
mod6 one moment [03:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00095704 = 1.8184 BTC [+] [03:12]
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mod6 !up BitOTTer839 [03:13]
assbot Voicing BitOTTer839 for 30 minutes. [03:13]
* assbot gives voice to BitOTTer839 [03:13]
mircea_popescu !ticker [03:13]
assbot Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'? [03:13]
BitOTTer839 [X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192 [03:13]
mircea_popescu lol [03:13]
mircea_popescu needs a diff control sequence huh [03:13]
kakobrekla change the prefix or command [03:13]
mod6 ok, give me a minute. i'll change it to like '%' or something [03:13]
mircea_popescu ~ ? [03:13]
kakobrekla !! ? [03:14]
mircea_popescu !!ticker [03:14]
mircea_popescu doesn't that bother assbot ? [03:14]
kakobrekla i wouldnt think so, but whatever. [03:14]
mircea_popescu mod6 also, make it short. ~t [03:14]
kakobrekla you can do 8====D if you want [03:14]
mod6 lol [03:15]
kakobrekla and 8=D for short tiny one. [03:15]
mod6 ok mp, i'll add another short code for it. [03:15]
mod6 haha [03:15]
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mircea_popescu so this makes how many bots, 7 ? [03:15]
mod6 so '%' ok then? i don't want to interfere with assbot [03:15]
kakobrekla 4 ? [03:16]
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mircea_popescu !up pankkake [03:16]
BingoBoingo artifexd: I'll decline to comment on what I may or may not be doing to ATC prices [03:16]
assbot Voicing pankkake for 30 minutes. [03:16]
* assbot gives voice to pankkake [03:16]
kakobrekla ass gribs ozzy and now bitotter [03:16]
mircea_popescu mpexbot [03:16]
kakobrekla ugly name btw! [03:16]
* assbot gives voice to pankkake [03:16]
mircea_popescu there's the scammer hunter bot [03:16]
kakobrekla right that thing. [03:17]
mircea_popescu that's 6. was another too [03:17]
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mircea_popescu !up pizzaman1338 [03:17]
assbot Voicing pizzaman1338 for 30 minutes. [03:17]
* assbot gives voice to pizzaman1338 [03:17]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot pizzaman1338 [03:17]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user pizzaman1338: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [03:17]
mircea_popescu meh. [03:17]
mircea_popescu ;;rate pizzaman1338 1 New blood. [03:17]
gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. [03:17]
kakobrekla its 1337 in the wot [03:17]
pankkake isn't it 1337? [03:17]
mircea_popescu it is ? [03:17]
mircea_popescu ;;rate pizzaman1337 [03:18]
gribble (rate []) -- Enters a rating for in the amount of . Use optional field to enter any notes you have about this user. must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten. [03:18]
kakobrekla you also rated him already [03:18]
mircea_popescu a ok. [03:18]
* mircea_popescu reaches for his lechitin [03:18]
pankkake came to say reading has been my dirty pleasure [03:18]
mircea_popescu pankkake did you ragequit earlier ? [03:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00095704 = 25.4573 BTC [+] [03:18]
pankkake I am a ragequitter at heart [03:19]
mircea_popescu ahahahaha [03:19]
dub french after all [03:19]
pankkake anyway [03:19]
pankkake yeah, perhaps [03:19]
mircea_popescu dude i never made someone ragequit before. [03:19]
mircea_popescu and i thought you werre supposed to be like a pro troll or some shit anyway [03:19]
thestringpuller << has this been discussed? [03:19]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla crypton is also a bot. [03:19]
kakobrekla what for [03:20]
pankkake I'm a cocotte minute [03:20]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller this'd better be about sex. [03:20]
mircea_popescu "A Regulated Global Marketplace for Startup Investing and Funding" [03:20]
mircea_popescu meh [03:20]
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mod6 !up BitOTTer872 [03:22]
assbot Voicing BitOTTer872 for 30 minutes. [03:22]
* assbot gives voice to BitOTTer872 [03:22]
mod6 %t [03:22]
BitOTTer872 [X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192 [03:22]
mod6 %help [03:22]
BitOTTer872 %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx | %bal | %atc_mined | %block | %last_block | %cm_rate | %ptp_rate [03:22]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller no about page other than a account, and a bunch of spinoff websites ( ) etc. [03:23]
mircea_popescu quite snugly fit on the scam stock exchange mo. bitcoin as a bonus i guess. [03:24]
mircea_popescu %book [03:24]
BitOTTer872 [X-BT] ASK: 70000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000248 BTC [03:24]
BitOTTer872 [X-BT] ASK: 10000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000245 BTC [03:24]
BitOTTer872 [X-BT] ASK: 65000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000240 BTC [03:24]
BitOTTer872 [X-BT] BID: 99000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000200 BTC [03:24]
BitOTTer872 [X-BT] BID: 100000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000170 BTC [03:24]
BitOTTer872 [X-BT] BID: 75000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000160 BTC [03:24]
mircea_popescu mod6 srsly needs to put it all on one line [03:24]
mircea_popescu preferably 70k@248 10k@245 65k@240 | 99k @200 100k @170 etc [03:25]
mod6 ok. ill work on that a bit. that's probably the most verbose one. all the others are one line iirc. [03:25]
mod6 give me a few here... [03:25]
mircea_popescu no big rush [03:25]
BingoBoingo %mined [03:25]
BingoBoingo %atc_mined [03:26]
BitOTTer872 [ATC Mined] ATC Mined (to date): 15500800 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 5.77 [03:26]
pankkake %tslb [03:26]
mod6 %last_block [03:27]
BitOTTer872 [ATC Last Block] Height: 30276 Time: 2014-04-27T23:21:28Z Vout Sum: 1024 Number TXs: 2 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 00000000000003dd8261d1ee537732c6b0434f21e16cf0cf31d40d032ebd7559 Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 779 Days Destroyed: 704 Confirmations: 1 [03:27]
kakobrekla did you register his nick? [03:27]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: like how they say it's "regulated" [03:27]
kakobrekla er, its nick [03:27]
mircea_popescu mod6 %lb ? [03:27]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller "Kapil Bhatia Kapil Bhatia is in the digital banking industry in Qatar. " << that happens to be a common name and also the name of some indian billionaire. [03:28]
kakobrekla i can add him to cs if the nick is reg [03:28]
mod6 kako: no not yet. [03:28]
mod6 (i mean, i haven't regiestered it yet) [03:28]
mircea_popescu the guy they depict however is none of those, and moreover the only reference yo ucan find to "SSX Advisors Corp" is on their own websites. [03:28]
mod6 It has a random 1-1000 number on the end, I can make it just 'BitOTTer' though. [03:29]
kakobrekla is that free even [03:29]
kakobrekla and whats with the capital 'OTT' [03:29]
kakobrekla i dun get it [03:29]
mod6 ok, lemme hack in a few changes. i'll leave this one connected for the time being. [03:29]
mod6 it's all part of the tools "Bitcoin Options Trade Tool" package/suite [03:30]
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kakobrekla ah i thought it was 'Over The Top' [03:30]
mod6 haha, it might be. [03:30]
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kakobrekla if its atc specific you might call it something related to taht [03:31]
dub scambot [03:32]
pankkake buttbott [03:32]
pankkake but I like scambot [03:32]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller on the other hand, their domain whois claims it was reg'd by Brian Niessen, who is an actual somebody. [03:32]
kakobrekla scambot you say? might as well just call it max keiser then [03:33]
peterl mircea_popescu: looking at mpif contract, "The General Manager may also destroy Fund shares the Fund holds at any point", does the manager take out btc, or do the shares just get destroyed? [03:34]
mod6 lol [03:34]
mod6 i'll call it 'atcbot' that would make the most sense. [03:34]
mircea_popescu Registrant Name: Brian Niessen Registrant Organization: SSX Holdings CorpRegistrant Street: PO Box PW 5334 Registrant Street: Babrow Building Registrant City: The Valley Registrant Country: ANGUILLA [03:34]
kakobrekla call it atcmax [03:34]
mircea_popescu peterl if the fund owns them, they can just get destroyed [03:34]
peterl aha, misread, missed the "the fund holds", nevermind [03:35]
mircea_popescu yeah the venue is basically if pc5 ends up with too many shares [03:35]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller anyway, i dropped them a tweet, maybe they show up and impress. [03:37]
mircea_popescu "It's lame in a way you are more concerned about privacy of your "bank account" than creating and promoting growth and fostering a close tight knit community. It's more important to you your MSC stake or "bank account" stays private than fostering closer tie with the community who allowed you to have this "bank account" in the first place." [03:39]
thestringpuller - winter in romania [03:40]
mircea_popescu pankkake ok the guy's kinda amusing. almost livejournal level [03:40]
BingoBoingo .d [03:40]
ozbot 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 309 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.0921% in 1d 19h 34m 31s [03:40]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller [03:41]
thestringpuller lol is she peeing? [03:42]
mircea_popescu yea [03:43]
thestringpuller unabashful [03:43]
mircea_popescu me 1 imgur 0. yay. [03:43]
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mod6 is this acceptable? [03:50]
mod6 (17:50) < atcbot> 70000@0.00000248 10000@0.00000245 65000@0.00000240 | 99000@0.00000200 100000@0.00000170 75000@0.00000160 [03:50]
kakobrekla seems fine to me [03:51]
mod6 ok, thx. [03:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 981 @ 0.00095537 = 0.9372 BTC [-] [03:54]
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mircea_popescu nice. [03:55]
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mod6 !up atcbot [03:56]
assbot Voicing atcbot for 30 minutes. [03:56]
* assbot gives voice to atcbot [03:56]
mod6 ty :) [03:56]
mod6 %t [03:56]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192 [03:56]
mod6 %book [03:56]
atcbot 70000@0.00000248 10000@0.00000245 65000@0.00000240 | 99000@0.00000200 100000@0.00000170 75000@0.00000160 [03:56]
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mircea_popescu mod6 srsly tho, try cutting the 3 0s in the first term to k [03:57]
mircea_popescu and express as satoshi rather than bitcoin [03:57]
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thestringpuller oh shit game of thrones [03:59]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014 [10:43]
-assbot- Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. [10:43]
* assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu [10:44]
mircea_popescu %t [10:44]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 155 Ask: 200 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 1770k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 186 [10:44]
mircea_popescu %b [10:44]
mircea_popescu %book [10:45]
atcbot 10k@245 65k@240 2k@200 | 10k@155 10k@151 100k@150 [10:45]
mircea_popescu mod6 splendid :D [10:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00095857 = 22.7181 BTC [+] {3} [10:46]
Apocalyptic 24h-Vol: 1770k // that's like the monthly volume last month [10:46]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic lol growth eh ? [10:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0345 = 0.1035 BTC [+] [10:47]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1770000*186 [10:47]
gribble 329220000 [10:47]
mircea_popescu 3.x btc ? getting to be pretty respectable for a scamcoin. [10:47]
mircea_popescu Naphex :p [10:49]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: mornings [10:51]
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mircea_popescu hey. [10:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00095934 = 5.8999 BTC [+] {2} [10:52]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I've been flipping through the MPOE account statements for a blog post on running a profitable BTC business, is there a cumulative count of dividends paid per share that you've published at any point? [10:53]
mircea_popescu yes, but it's old. lemme see ehre. [10:53]
mircea_popescu [10:53]
ozbot MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [10:53]
mircea_popescu if you'd find it within your heart to publish the 2nd year of dividends, same format, that'd actually be helpful. [10:54]
fluffypony ok cool [10:54]
mircea_popescu maybe mike_c does one too, then we can see if your numbers match. [10:56]
fluffypony I haven't had enough coffee - can you explain the relative dividend yield? surely the dividends are absolute? [10:57]
mircea_popescu yes but each month the stock has an average price [10:57]
fluffypony ah ok [10:57]
HeySteve details on that payment splitting service: [10:57]
mircea_popescu [11:00]
ozbot oclHashcat - advanced password recovery [11:00]
mircea_popescu whoa iron dropped ? coal dropped ?! this is a new one. [11:02]
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mircea_popescu ;;google bitevery [11:03]
gribble NEXT: 07-05-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 12-09-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: [11:03]
mircea_popescu google you fucking suck wtf, it's in neither. [11:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 380 @ 0.06279784 = 23.8632 BTC [-] {46} [11:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06889296 = 0.3445 BTC [+] {2} [11:13]
Naphex :D [11:13]
Naphex good day today [11:14]
mircea_popescu [11:14]
ozbot New Quantum Theory Could Explain the Flow of Time | Science | WIRED [11:14]
Naphex mircea_popescu: and soon with bitcoin recovery :)) [11:14]
mircea_popescu hopefully he gets extradited. [11:14]
Naphex if you haven't seen it [11:14]
Naphex :) [11:14]
mircea_popescu Naphex lmao wut. [11:14]
Naphex “Asadar, s-a rugat Sfantului Efrem cel Nou si a facut de trei ori Semnul Sfintei Cruci peste computer. Spre marea sa uimire, nu numai ca a reusit sa deschida fisierul, ci a putut sa stearga integral sectiunea corupta” [11:15]
Naphex so... :D [11:15]
mircea_popescu Naphex is that this guy ? [11:15]
mircea_popescu (ie... sf leufteriu of the L.o.L. ?) [11:16]
Naphex :)) [11:16]
mircea_popescu lmao no fucking way, that's the actual site of the moldavian bishopric [11:19]
mircea_popescu ahahahaah [11:19]
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mircea_popescu moiety [11:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06763971 = 0.1353 BTC [-] [11:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 50 @ 0.14 = 7 BTC [11:25]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: btw just noticed on - "unspeficied" [11:28]
mircea_popescu hahah [11:28]
mircea_popescu that's too cute to fix [11:28]
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mircea_popescu lol srsly ? [11:29]
ozbot BitBet - F.MPIF to last the year [11:29]
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moiety awww! i think the sombrero wins the hat contest! [11:29]
mircea_popescu Instead, this week we found out the Most Transparent Administration in American History™ has implemented a new anti-press policy that would make Richard Nixon blush. National intelligence director James Clapper, the man caught lying to Congress from an "unauthorized" leak by Snowden, issued a directive to the employees of all 17 intelligence agencies barring all employees from any "unauthorized" contact with the pres [11:30]
mircea_popescu s. [11:30]
mircea_popescu teh soviets are coming hurray hurray [11:30]
mircea_popescu this is so 1978 [11:30]
Apocalyptic lol srsly ? // isn't that a badbet ? [11:32]
mircea_popescu well to the degree betting on any fiat stock being delisted is, i guess. [11:33]
mircea_popescu or what did you have in mind ? [11:33]
Apocalyptic as it's in solely your authority to decide the outcome [11:33]
mircea_popescu schizopathically & antisocially i seem to count myself as an institution. [11:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [-] [11:34]
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mircea_popescu pankkake: [11:36]
mircea_popescu mod6: I just stopped my trades bot, so you can display yours. << hows that work ? [11:36]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell decimation you left out the best part : "Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact." [11:37]
gribble The operation succeeded. [11:37]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell decimation o no oyu didn't. nm :p [11:39]
gribble The operation succeeded. [11:39]
mircea_popescu ;;seen scrat [11:42]
gribble scrat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, 20 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: im a fat cock [11:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07089996 = 0.3545 BTC [+] {2} [11:43]
mircea_popescu << ok, this rules. [11:43]
ozbot Imposture [11:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 250 @ 0.00085 = 0.2125 BTC [+] {2} [11:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00095804 = 16.3825 BTC [-] {2} [11:47]
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fluffypony fuck that confused me [11:52]
fluffypony [11:52]
ozbot MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [11:52]
fluffypony BBET is listed as paying from Jan [11:52]
fluffypony when first dividend payout was Feb [11:53]
mircea_popescu well yes but it was for the month of jan [11:53]
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fluffypony yes but if you take the dividends table on the listing page for MPOE it correlates to "month in which it was paid" pretty much [11:54]
fluffypony for eg. the first dividend was paid on 26-05-12 and is listed as the May 2012 dividend [11:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00095896 = 12.0829 BTC [+] {2} [11:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07089996 = 0.3545 BTC [+] {2} [11:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07092901 = 0.2837 BTC [+] {2} [11:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29988 @ 0.00095992 = 28.7861 BTC [+] {2} [11:56]
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mircea_popescu right. [12:00]
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mircea_popescu and had it been paid 3-06-2012 it'd still have been the may dividend [12:00]
mircea_popescu this because for most of its life mpoe reported on a "last week of month" period, and reports came in within hours of exercise closure, so it almost always was within the month. [12:01]
HeySteve <+mircea_popescu> "Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact." <- there should be a science of resilient hierarchical structures which resist corruption and decay. it should draw from historical fact, military tactics and decentralised methods. it should inform a technocratic leadership. [12:01]
mircea_popescu whereas everyone else reported by the 5th of next calendar month, so it always was later [12:01]
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mircea_popescu HeySteve yes, there is such a science. what do you think we're doing here. [12:01]
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HeySteve do you mean this channel or Bitcoin? [12:03]
mircea_popescu i mean this channel, mpex, etc. [12:04]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: plz check - [12:06]
HeySteve Bitcoin should be a sovereign [12:06]
mircea_popescu just pastebin it, i aint js. [12:06]
mircea_popescu HeySteve it... is. it has been, for a while. hence the serenissima. [12:06]
HeySteve this is not widely recognised, mircea_popescu [12:07]
mircea_popescu that matters :)) [12:07]
mircea_popescu like you know, there's this lion in an african village, and the local peasants are... not recognizing it. [12:07]
mircea_popescu im sure the lion's all hurt and emo over it. [12:08]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: no js on the page [12:08]
HeySteve that sounds dangerous for the villagers [12:08]
fluffypony or none that needs to execute to see the table [12:08]
mircea_popescu HeySteve exactly. letting people know about how their lives depend on bitcoin-ability is a charitable deed. [12:08]
mircea_popescu btw, you ever seen ? [12:09]
mircea_popescu fluffypony wouldja just pastebin the thing ? [12:09]
fluffypony I'll pastebin the markdown source [12:09]
fluffypony [12:09]
mircea_popescu wrong years lol [12:10]
fluffypony whoops [12:10]
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mircea_popescu Mar 2013 | 17 | 122 [12:10]
fluffypony fixed those last 3 [12:11]
fluffypony apparently I'm stuck in 2013 :-P [12:11]
mircea_popescu lol [12:11]
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mircea_popescu anyway, best make it a full year, so wait a few days to include apr too [12:11]
fluffypony can do [12:11]
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fluffypony ;;later tell duffer1 well when you can't decide whether your name is "Timothy" or "Jimmy" it's unsurprising that you'd self-identify as an "investor" despite never really invested in anything:-P [12:14]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:14]
mircea_popescu "this guy is giving me the timmy-jimmies", voted most likely to succeed coinage of 2014. [12:15]
fluffypony lol [12:15]
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mircea_popescu "Office space alone can eat you alive. Between Pissy and I we have 2100 square feet. And we're paying $5100 a month for that. " [12:15]
mircea_popescu someone's in business with a partner known as... pissy ?! [12:15]
fluffypony could be worse: [12:16]
mircea_popescu now that is true. pussy is an energy drink. [12:17]
mircea_popescu "3. CEO at my hospital laid off 10% of the nurses last year and got a $7M bonus." [12:18]
HeySteve there are worse options [12:18]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's what he refers to his urologist office mate as [12:19]
fluffypony law [12:19]
fluffypony lawl [12:19]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo old cranky doctors are some of my favourite party people. [12:19]
mircea_popescu they have this well patined sense of humor. [12:19]
BingoBoingo Yeah [12:19]
mircea_popescu Price. $3.00 for drink plus shipping. Shipping International: 1-2 = $23.95 - Small Flat Rate 4-8 = $77.95 - Large Flat Rate [12:21]
mircea_popescu dude srsly ? 15 bux for a bottle of carbonated pisswater ? [12:21]
mircea_popescu anyway, they do the office practice here too. most romanians are insured by virtue of going to work, the cost is about $100 per month. most rich romanians don't bother with the state insurance and just pay out of pocket. [12:23]
mircea_popescu typical office overhead for a doctor's office is in the 10 to 15k a year, all inclusive, typical doctor visit is $100 or less (depending, GP is like $10) [12:24]
mircea_popescu average doctor makes 20x minimum wage, 3x average wage. [12:24]
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mircea_popescu somehow a country larger than the entire fucking cascadia can function on 1/10 to 1/100 of the us costs. [12:25]
mircea_popescu and i would argue healthcare, tho not stellar, is better here than there. [12:26]
BingoBoingo It's amazing how these things work out [12:27]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [12:27]
fluffypony bitcoinpete:naturally, i prod further and his area of interests is sidechains because they "fix bitcoin's incentive problems" <- with that attitude he's well on his way to being part of the Bitcoin Foundation, maybe he should just apply for a seat? [12:28]
cazalla difficult to find a good GP in Australia, the older doctors are few and far between but will allow you adequate time, the younger GP's are usually found in medical centres where the aim is to get you in and out ASAP to bulk bill medicare as much as possible [12:28]
HeySteve Peter Todd had a strong point against sidechains [12:28]
HeySteve <- worth a listen [12:29]
BingoBoingo [12:29]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete: [12:29]
mircea_popescu so anyways i ask the guy what he doing in/with bitcoin and he says he "just left a start-up and wants to be a core dev" << so send him here. [12:29]
ozbot BitBet - TradeFortress arrested [12:29]
fluffypony comment spamz [12:29]
mircea_popescu lol [12:29]
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mircea_popescu and to think that he could have a banner for .1 btc [12:30]
cazalla i went to a walk in medical centre with issues about my neck as I couldn't get an appointment at my usual GP, the GP at the walk in just assumed I was after pain meds and wrote a script for endone (oxycodone) without any hesitation to get me the fuck out of there [12:30]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: that's what I was commenting on above, he sounds like an ideal Bitcoin Foundation candidate [12:30]
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moiety BingoBoingo: seriously?! [12:32]
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BingoBoingo moiety: About what? [12:33]
moiety bitbet [12:33]
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mircea_popescu cazalla nutty. [12:33]
fluffypony cazalla: so you took the script and sold it on SR? [12:34]
fluffypony :-P [12:34]
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mircea_popescu HeySteve lol that korea customs form rules. "please say if you have any magicks kthx" [12:35]
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moiety cazalla: that's ridiculous, folk like that shouldn't be doctors [12:35]
mircea_popescu ^ [12:36]
cazalla moiety: he was actually struck off this year for getting personal with a patient heh - [12:37]
cazalla there's actually been 3 or 4 doctors struck off for similar things at that place, not that i knew at the time, it was the only place open late [12:38]
mircea_popescu "A doctor charged with sexually assaulting a patient at Dapto Medical Centre has told a court he took the unusual step of stimulating the woman on his clinic couch after she clamped down on his finger with her private parts, aggravating an injury to his shoulder." [12:39]
moiety "I had to think of something that would relax her ... I thought I'd stimulate her clitoris to get access to the inside to do that proper examination, hoping that she'd relax." WTF .... a woman that avoided internal exams .... kden thats really going to relax her [12:40]
dub that deserves stella award [12:41]
moiety deserves a smack in the face [12:41]
moiety they have tools for that kind of thing [12:42]
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moiety one of our locum psychiatrists allegedly propositioned a stripper in her appointment. he actually went to her club and asked for her by name later [12:43]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: question on the gpg wot [12:43]
mircea_popescu soooo ? [12:43]
fluffypony when you import someone's pubkey and set their trust level [12:43]
fluffypony it updates your keyring [12:43]
fluffypony how do you push that updated keyring to the keyserver? [12:43]
mircea_popescu you export their pubkey [12:44]
fluffypony --send-keys just pushes my key, not the trust level [12:44]
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fluffypony oic [12:44]
mircea_popescu but... the trust level it's your own [12:44]
moiety she complained about him and he had to leave. big court case and everything about it. [12:44]
mircea_popescu anyway, the gpg wot is imo a broken beyond belief implementaiton [12:44]
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mircea_popescu and shouldn't be called a wot in the first place. [12:44]
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fluffypony well they broke it the minute they started having "signing parties" at every con in existence [12:44]
mircea_popescu moiety wait. stripper complained about customer asking for her by name ?! [12:44]
fluffypony because that's a great basis for "trust" [12:45]
mircea_popescu what is she, insane ? [12:45]
moiety no he wasnt a customer, he was her psychiatrist [12:45]
mircea_popescu fluffypony early internet people held the idiotic belief that "meeting irl" is some sortt of gold standard. [12:45]
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mircea_popescu hence all the "you wouldn't say that to my face" bs [12:45]
moiety she was mid-moan about her life and he asked her for a blowjob apparently [12:45]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: yeah, which was the number 1 reason why I never went to another IRC meet after my first one in 1997 [12:45]
mircea_popescu it's a common mistake of the pompously clueless, and good sister of the entire "trolls are bad for society" mtyh [12:46]
mircea_popescu moiety heh. so dude was creepy. [12:46]
fluffypony moiety: she could have transitioned from one type of moan to another [12:46]
fluffypony and gotten her therapy fees back with interest [12:46]
moiety i think this was his plan fluffypony [12:46]
mircea_popescu fluffypony yeah but she was paying so she doesn't have to. [12:46]
fluffypony werd [12:46]
moiety mircea_popescu: well he was actually. to everyone. but she was also nuts, so it did make things difficult. he is still working [12:47]
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mircea_popescu moiety there's this confusion being peddled, in classic libertard manner, that it's the form rather than the substance. however, in my experience it's absolutely never THE FACT that he propositioned her that is the issue. [12:47]
mircea_popescu it's just that he sucks, ie, the substance of that proposition. [12:48]
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mircea_popescu otherwise, i've hit on doctors/nurses/people in the street/whoever the fuck. what's the big deal. [12:48]
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mircea_popescu if a society isn't willing to put up with "inappropriate" propositioning, that society will have to put up with specially designated "proposition pens" where everyone's fcking awkward and the whole thing's unpleasant. [12:50]
mircea_popescu former option much better. [12:50]
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moiety this is true. the problem with him being picking someone that had severe issues around it when he was in a position of trust rather than a nurse/doctor/person in the street [12:51]
mircea_popescu but you're always in a position of trust. this "position of trust" analysis is bollocks. at the very least you trust the random passerby not to mug you. [12:52]
fluffypony lawlz seedcoin: "We have regular contacts with institutional investors, I am not sure how many institutional investors may have expressed a lack of confidence (publicly or to you) in what we do, if they have I would be happy to answer their concerns, but I wished to inform you that the institutional and angel investors we have been in contact with have expressed great confidence in Seedcoin and our support to crypto startups." [12:52]
mircea_popescu tell him my concerns are that he's a fucktard, and ask him to please address them. [12:53]
fluffypony which was their response to me raising 14 questions on the TagPesa crap they're trying to piddle: [12:53]
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mircea_popescu curious if he'll go the "o mp is not an institutional investor, because breaking the back of everyone else does not qualify one" or "he said fucktard so i no longer have to listen nao lalalala" [12:53]
mircea_popescu route [12:53]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well rather than an institutional investor I've just assumed you've transcended to being the institution [12:56]
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moiety re rtust this is true mircea_popescu but shouldn't you be able to trust your doctor to keep professional at least while in an appointment? [12:59]
moiety trust* [12:59]
mircea_popescu why should "professional" exclude flirting ? [12:59]
mircea_popescu you should be able to trust your doctor not to be unpleasant, of which you are the only judge. and if you don't like him go to another. which is why the free market is important. [12:59]
Naphex ;;rate HoreaV 10 Horea Vuscan of [13:00]
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mircea_popescu a doctor shouldn't have to follow some ultimately absurd behaviour guidelines, because he's an adult, and a patient should not have to depend that the doctor does follow such, or that they're adequate, because he has no options. [13:00]
moiety asking someone who is crying about their daddy issues to suck your dick isn't flirting tho [13:00]
mircea_popescu no argument there. [13:00]
mircea_popescu but the problem is he sucked, basically. [13:00]
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moiety bottom line. ^ yeah [13:01]
fluffypony or that he *wanted* to be sucked [13:02]
mircea_popescu ends up generally misrepresented as "well the problem is he propositioned her". nonsense. the problem is he apparently has the discernment of a five year old. [13:02]
moiety i did have a female doctor who a patient leave her caseload because she was seen out at a pub on a weekend, which was ridiculous. [13:02]
mircea_popescu yeah but i mean... patient's call. [13:03]
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mircea_popescu i know women who won't use a male gyn, to their detriment, as male gyns are usually better. but hey, her lyf, her call. [13:04]
moiety thats often a comfort thing [13:04]
moiety and yeah we switched around doctors whenever the patients wanted [13:04]
mircea_popescu kinda why the male gyns are better, too. they don't have one so it's scary on some level. [13:04]
moiety male midwives get a hard time too [13:05]
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mircea_popescu HoreaV hey there ? [13:05]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot davide [13:05]
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HoreaV mircea_popescu: hey back, Naphex is still setting me up with the console and explaining. i'll be done in a sec [13:06]
mircea_popescu cool. [13:06]
mircea_popescu %t [13:08]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 155 Ask: 200 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 1715k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 187 [13:08]
HoreaV ;;rate Naphex 10 Best programmer that i ever worked with. Cofounder at [13:08]
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cazalla moiety: didn't see any male midwives while my wife was in hospital (private), i wouldn't mind being a lactation consultant, it was pretty sweet watching the younger ones caress the missus' tits for milk :P [13:23]
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mircea_popescu wao hey, can you send me a shipment of those copper rounds ? [13:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00096636 = 45.9987 BTC [-] {4} [15:54]
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fluffypony [16:11]
kakobrekla since you are here fluffypony , re this [16:11]
kakobrekla you might as well link them: [16:12]
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fluffypony kakobrekla: I've actually got another blog post that is just waiting for April results, I'll include a link to that in it [16:12]
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kakobrekla aha [16:13]
pankkake it even mentions AsicMiner, so humble of MP [16:14]
fluffypony kakobrekla: does auto-update or is it manual? [16:15]
pankkake I'm the one running it [16:15]
* fluffypony nearly said manul and was waiting for moiety to show up [16:15]
pankkake and it's every 37 minutes or so [16:15]
fluffypony oic oic [16:15]
pankkake I might do it more, I didn't want to hammer your blogs too much, but it's actually quite smart (it checks the last modified date of the rss if it can provide one) [16:16]
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pankkake next step is a bot to notify of new posts [16:16]
fluffypony nice [16:16]
fluffypony maybe assbot should poll the rss feed to watch for changes? [16:17]
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kakobrekla pankkake do you run a cronjob there or is that site built on the fly [16:18]
kakobrekla ah right [16:19]
pankkake it's a cron, so everything is static [16:19]
kakobrekla 37 minuts [16:19]
* kakobrekla should read moar [16:19]
pankkake it was 42 minutes. I'm changing to 7 :) [16:19]
kakobrekla well how about you post a new post notification to me? [16:19]
pankkake I'm looking at how I can do that with venus (the tool I use to build blogs.b-a). the sending to irc part is easy, I already have a dumb bot for that [16:23]
pankkake otherwise I'll do it with a RSS parser I know, which already handles the "is this thing new" aspect [16:24]
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pankkake but if I can avoid polling myself… [16:25]
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kakobrekla i can make assbot polll [16:25]
kakobrekla its not ideal but yea [16:25]
kakobrekla json would been better [16:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33329 @ 0.00096692 = 32.2265 BTC [+] {3} [16:25]
HeySteve RyS eh [16:27]
fluffypony rys? [16:28]
HeySteve from the thread you link, rethink your strategy [16:30]
fluffypony oh yes [16:30]
fluffypony that thread got really trashy [16:31]
fluffypony still a fun read [16:31]
HeySteve heh OP started it that way [16:31]
fluffypony yeah, I love how at the end he's like "I'm going to litecointalk!" [16:32]
fluffypony as if that's a bastion of legitimacy :-P [16:32]
pankkake he got really really mad [16:32]
HeySteve people should start with businesses they can achieve with their own resources [16:33]
pankkake that crumbs guy is a hero [16:33]
HeySteve seeking funding for My First Bizniz is not credible [16:33]
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pankkake HeySteve: and in most cases, those things don't even need the funding they ask… [16:33]
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fluffypony yeah, that's why I keep asking for them to justify the expense [16:33]
fluffypony show me 1 calculation with sub-totals [16:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00096591 = 24.8239 BTC [-] [16:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00096941 = 15.0259 BTC [+] {2} [17:11]
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thestringpuller ;;google change clothes and go [17:21]
gribble JAY-Z - Change Clothes ft. Pharrell - YouTube: ; Jay Z – Change Clothes Lyrics | Rap Genius: ; JAY-Z LYRICS - Change Clothes: [17:21]
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BCB who runs [17:21]
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thestringpuller ;;ident [17:22]
gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None [17:22]
thestringpuller BCB: does it not say on the site? [17:22]
thestringpuller lol [17:22]
BCB anonymous registration [17:22]
BCB I never heard of htem [17:22]
BCB them [17:22]
BCB you [17:22]
thestringpuller never used them [17:22]
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BCB anyone know Vircurex [17:22]
pankkake BCB: a guy named kumala [17:23]
thestringpuller vircurex is canadian no? [17:23]
BCB pankkake: who is kumala [17:23]
BCB thestringpuller: eys [17:23]
BCB yes [17:23]
BCB what about havelock investments [17:23]
pankkake no idea, besides a bitcointalk username [17:23]
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thestringpuller so havelock is definitely in scam territory now? [17:27]
thestringpuller good thing i vacated [17:27]
thestringpuller !last h b.mine [17:27]
assbot Last trade for B.MINE on HAVELOCK was at 0.034 BTC [-] [17:27]
fluffypony pankkake: is the rss poll broken? my most recent blog post isn't showing up [17:28]
thestringpuller fluffypony don't use rss then [17:29]
thestringpuller >::P [17:29]
fluffypony thestringpuller: I meant his poll to my rss feed :) [17:29]
thestringpuller you're a special one aren't you? [17:30]
pankkake I see "How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business" [17:30]
fluffypony OH [17:30]
fluffypony it's at the bottom [17:30]
fluffypony see it [17:30]
fluffypony tks :) [17:30]
* fluffypony needs more coffee [17:30]
pankkake but I've had an instance of it not updating trilema, so maybe it wasn't there earlier [17:31]
BCB thestringpuller so havelock is definitely in scam territory now? << Why do you say that [17:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00096701 = 10.4921 BTC [-] [17:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00096601 = 11.2057 BTC [-] {2} [17:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9916 @ 0.00096942 = 9.6128 BTC [+] [18:06]
thestringpuller because it is doing untrustworthy things [18:14]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1006 @ 0.001 = 1.006 BTC {3} [18:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 190 @ 0.001 = 0.19 BTC [18:19]
mike_c ;;seen davout [18:21]
gribble davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: random_cat: wet pussies are the consequence of so much log, not the other way around [18:21]
fluffypony he was here earlier [18:22]
fluffypony quit like an hour ago [18:22]
mike_c no x.eur's for sale. [18:22]
pankkake maybe there is an eur shortage [18:23]
kakobrekla ha-ha! [18:23]
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Naphex kakobrekla: is there a list / help of assbot commands? [18:27]
mike_c !help [18:28]
assbot List of commands: [18:28]
assbot !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating) [18:28]
assbot !up (desc: sending it on chan will give voice for 30 minutes) [18:28]
assbot !ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} [18:28]
assbot !last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} [18:28]
assbot !mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) [18:28]
kakobrekla nooooooooo!!!111 [18:28]
assbot !rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} [18:28]
assbot !exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} [18:28]
assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from [18:28]
assbot !bash (desc: bashes last lines to bash) {short: !b} [18:28]
assbot !quote (desc: quotes last lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} [18:28]
mike_c assbot please send donation [18:28]
Naphex ;] [18:28]
kakobrekla !help mike_c [18:28]
assbot List of commands: [18:28]
assbot !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating) [18:28]
assbot !up (desc: sending it on chan will give voice for 30 minutes) [18:28]
kakobrekla fuck [18:28]
assbot !ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} [18:28]
assbot !last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} [18:28]
assbot !mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) [18:28]
kakobrekla doenst that work [18:28]
assbot !rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} [18:28]
assbot !exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} [18:28]
assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from [18:28]
assbot !bash (desc: bashes last lines to bash) {short: !b} [18:28]
assbot !quote (desc: quotes last lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} [18:28]
kakobrekla :( [18:28]
mike_c assbot please send two donations [18:28]
kakobrekla lel [18:28]
Naphex probably should reply that with privmsg/notice [18:28]
Naphex :P [18:28]
kakobrekla yes i think it does under some circumstance [18:29]
Naphex is that an eggbot? or some standalone? [18:29]
mike_c assbot has to keep up with mp's line count somehow [18:29]
kakobrekla its a thing i made many years ago Naphex [18:30]
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pankkake reply in notice on !up would be nice too, because I just /msg the bot, and the reply opens a query [18:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17430 @ 0.00097148 = 16.9329 BTC [+] [18:36]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC [18:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 629 @ 0.001 = 0.629 BTC [18:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00097131 = 24.1371 BTC [-] {3} [18:45]
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mike_c kakobrekla, would it be troublesome to add a primary key to seems to me there isn't a reliable way to determine uniqueness. you could very well have two trades with the same.. everything. [18:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC [18:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 350 @ 0.001 = 0.35 BTC [18:49]
kakobrekla myea thats a point [18:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 295 @ 0.00082074 = 0.2421 BTC [-] {3} [18:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0075 = 0.3375 BTC [+] [18:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 54 @ 0.00316148 = 0.1707 BTC [-] {3} [18:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 411 @ 0.00079972 = 0.3287 BTC [-] {5} [18:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00096654 = 14.2565 BTC [-] [19:00]
mike_c ;;later tell hanbot one easy way for PIF bitbets to be publicly auditable would be to use the same out address for all the bets. is that the plan? [19:01]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:01]
pankkake *MPIF [19:02]
mike_c i can't stop calling it pif. two syllables is one too many. [19:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [19:04]
mike_c BingoBoingo's is going to be hardest to track. [19:04]
fluffypony piffy? [19:05]
thestringpuller ;;seen mod6 [19:06]
gribble mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 20 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: thx artifexd :) [19:06]
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Naphex so in my offtime i'm implementing a decent notification system in bitcoin core [19:13]
Naphex and i was getting into posting the messages and thinking [19:13]
Naphex for a first implementation do notification with: [19:13]
Naphex A. UNIX Socket / Local Socket - Connect to it, start broadcasting notifications [19:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 410 @ 0.001 = 0.41 BTC [19:14]
Naphex B. JSON-NP Callbacks - For easier integration with current systems [19:14]
kakobrekla this ? [19:14]
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Naphex whats that? - first look is just watch only [19:15]
kakobrekla arent you doing watch only notif [19:15]
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artifexd Naphex: If you're interested, conformal's btcd already has websockets available and extending it is almost trivial. [19:16]
Naphex artifexd: thanks, but implementing this in bitcoin core. [19:16]
Naphex for the exchange i use something else entierly [19:17]
Naphex this is not related, just offtime stuff [19:17]
Naphex i wouldn't do websockets in it, too much overhead for bitcoin [19:17]
artifexd Have fun and good luck [19:18]
Naphex what's the luck for?:P [19:18]
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danielpbarron what is an appropriate operating system on which to run an offline wallet? [19:19]
danielpbarron (linux -- which one?, bsd? ) [19:20]
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thestringpuller danielpbarron: this is where I slap you [19:22]
danielpbarron please do [19:22]
thestringpuller in all seriousness you shouldn't haven't have a full wallet on a computer [19:22]
thestringpuller generate addresses offline print them on paper [19:22]
thestringpuller send coins to the paper wallets [19:23]
thestringpuller store wallets in safety deposit boxes [19:23]
thestringpuller with backups in europe and asia [19:23]
danielpbarron ugh [19:23]
thestringpuller maybe have your most trusted body guard/head of security hold one [19:23]
danielpbarron already do that [19:23]
danielpbarron i want to do offline transaction signing [19:23]
artifexd thestringpuller: You are describing cold storage. It sounds like danielpbarron is looking for warm storage. [19:24]
danielpbarron i want to be able to make multi-sig transactions [19:24]
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artifexd Cold, warm, hot. They all have their place. [19:24]
danielpbarron unless someone can explain to me why that isn't necessary and that I'm going at this all wrong [19:25]
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thestringpuller lol you want to sign a transaction offline then transmit it to the nodes whenever? [19:25]
thestringpuller isn't there trusted software for that by now? [19:25]
danielpbarron that's what i'm asking [19:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 134 @ 0.001 = 0.134 BTC [19:26]
dexX7 hmm.. so gribble and assbot had some troubles identifying me with another nick: [19:27]
Naphex danielpbarron: linux would be fine, but make sure you don't run other stuff [19:27]
Naphex and keep it clean and bare [19:27]
danielpbarron which distro? [19:28]
Naphex i'd go with gentoo, but whatever is fine [19:28]
danielpbarron i'm already familiar with debian based, but i've also done gentoo [19:28]
Naphex whatever you can install the cleanest [19:28]
danielpbarron gentoo was harder but much nicer when done [19:28]
Naphex make sure you use filesystem encryption as well [19:28]
danielpbarron what about the bsd variant to which MP donated [19:29]
thestringpuller freebsd? [19:29]
Naphex to ward off any physical attacks like physical hdd theft [19:29]
fluffypony OpenBSD [19:29]
thestringpuller ask mod6 bout dat [19:29]
danielpbarron idk [19:29]
Naphex you can use whatever you want, except windows [19:29]
Naphex but keep it clean, and only run what you need - bare [19:29]
dexX7 anyway. Naphex: i did only follow the last lines, so i'm not 100 % sure, if your intention is clear to me -- if you are looking for a simple solution to establish some kind of "bitcoin based event notification system", you may use the (redirected) debug output as basis which could be parsed and processed further [19:29]
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danielpbarron lol wouldn't dream of it (haven't used windows in years) [19:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 400 @ 0.0075 = 3 BTC [+] [19:29]
Naphex firewall with blacklist everything, only whitelist what you know [19:29]
Naphex and make sure you only accept validated messages, before hitting your software [19:30]
danielpbarron not necessary right, the machine has no ethernet devices [19:30]
Naphex dexX7: yes but i want something more clear cut, that can scale [19:30]
kakobrekla dexX7 yea taht could be fixed but it would break the neatness of the design :) [19:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14457 @ 0.00096643 = 13.9717 BTC [-] {2} [19:30]
danielpbarron or is that incase someone takes the machine and installs ethernet? [19:30]
Naphex danielpbarron: dexX7 i'm thinking like listen to a port/unix socket [19:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16889 @ 0.00096524 = 16.3019 BTC [-] {3} [19:31]
dexX7 as source for the data? [19:31]
dexX7 aka you want to rebuild a bitcoin client? [19:32]
Naphex connect to it, and broadcast notifications through it [19:32]
Naphex either that or in reverse, where it connects to a aggregate server, and that just runs pubsub [19:32]
Naphex yes i forked current master, and 0.9.1 [19:32]
dexX7 mind to share a link? [19:33]
Naphex its private atm, not on any service. just dirty git clone [19:33]
Naphex i will when there is something working [19:33]
Naphex even if its not final version [19:33]
Naphex but what i'm thinking is just a notification system for BitcoinD clusters, track txid's, addresses and confirmations [19:34]
thestringpuller Naphex: like what? [19:34]
thestringpuller offline wallet can't touch net even on firewall part [19:34]
thestringpuller you can't trust the TCP/IP stack [19:34]
Naphex uh, what's that related to? [19:35]
Naphex for notifications? [19:35]
thestringpuller for anything [19:35]
thestringpuller the firewall shouldn't talk to other machines with your "airgapped" software [19:35]
dexX7 ah np, just trying to understand your approach. at which point do you fetch and process incoming information? [19:35]
thestringpuller cause what you're describing is a semi-permeable airgap [19:35]
Naphex thestringpuller: there are hot wallets and cold ones [19:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 360 @ 0.001 = 0.36 BTC [19:36]
Naphex if your hot wallet serves based on verified, signed messages, wheter HMAC or whatever, i'd say its pretty fine. [19:37]
thestringpuller depends on the transaction volume [19:37]
Naphex you trust the sig [19:37]
Naphex thestringpuller: for example, current hot wallet software [19:38]
Naphex won't accept any messages, whatever the source or trust [19:38]
Naphex if the user's OTP is not valid [19:38]
Naphex now OTP can be, Email / YubiKey -> GPG, Bitcoin signature [19:39]
Naphex now the users have that secret, so an intruder couldn't do much without user secrets [19:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [19:40]
Naphex even if an attackers gets through mostly everything undetected [19:40]
Naphex its a dead end [19:40]
thestringpuller so you keep the keyring hot? [19:41]
thestringpuller that's all that matters [19:41]
Naphex only the hot wallets [19:41]
thestringpuller uh no [19:42]
Naphex which are hot by design [19:42]
thestringpuller there is an implementation of hot wallets that don't require the key ring to touch the internet [19:42]
Naphex for incoming or outgoing? [19:42]
thestringpuller outgoing [19:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 193 @ 0.0013501 = 0.2606 BTC [+] [19:43]
Naphex so you want to sign transactions offline? [19:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 540 @ 0.00135202 = 0.7301 BTC [+] [19:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1030 @ 0.001 = 1.03 BTC {2} [19:44]
thestringpuller why wouldn't you? [19:44]
Naphex why would i when i want a hot instant wallet? [19:44]
thestringpuller why do you want a hot instant wallet? [19:45]
Naphex so clients can withdraw in an instant [19:45]
Naphex they want it too [19:45]
thestringpuller ... [19:45]
thestringpuller this is where I rage quit like pankkake [19:46]
Naphex :)) [19:46]
Naphex look, you can secure servers and keep stuff secure. now i'm not saying run everything hot [19:46]
Naphex but you can always keep i.e 10 BTC out of 1000 HOT [19:46]
Naphex and run everything else cold, you can even run deposits cold [19:46]
Naphex but wait 5mins on a withdrawal, and you're gonna get an email [19:47]
Naphex after a phone call [19:47]
thestringpuller no you're not [19:47]
danielpbarron what's more secure; using a machine that was set up before Bitcoin existed and hasn't been updated since; or a totally fresh install? [19:47]
thestringpuller mpex investors have to wait sometimes up to 24hours for withdrawals [19:47]
mike_c hm, JD seems to be down. [19:47]
pankkake thestringpuller: :o) [19:47]
Naphex thestringpuller: well thats their priviledge [19:47]
Naphex mean while, Joe Giner wants his 0.2 btc that he just bought out now [19:48]
Naphex so he can do whatever with it [19:48]
thestringpuller Joe Giner isn't worth a security breach [19:48]
Naphex maybe buy some Google Play Giftcards [19:48]
pankkake if the machine is really offline even Windows ME should be fine! [19:48]
danielpbarron what about random number generation? [19:48]
pankkake good point [19:48]
Naphex thestringpuller: honestly if you have a well designed system, that gets breached and you get ninja'd out of the 10 hotwallet BTC [19:49]
Naphex it was probably worth it [19:49]
Naphex and you can get it out of your pocket [19:49]
thestringpuller no, it wasn't [19:49]
thestringpuller MPEx has lost 0 BTC of investor funds. [19:49]
thestringpuller please direct me to another facility of such high standards. [19:49]
Naphex i haven't lost 1 satoshi yet [19:49]
benkay "yet" [19:50]
Naphex well put it like this [19:50]
Naphex the most sophisticated attacker, will need user secrets to get whatever they have [19:50]
Naphex or break HMAC-SHA256 [19:50]
thestringpuller or they can dump unencrypted memory with a 0 day exploit you have no idea about yet trust your system completely [19:51]
thestringpuller because you've audited all 100% of the code oyu're running [19:51]
Naphex they can't [19:51]
Naphex server can only get clean, hard messages [19:51]
Naphex everything else gets dunked a long way from there [19:51]
benkay tbh it's an arch i'm interested in, Naphex [19:52]
benkay what does the message look like? [19:52]
Naphex for example [19:52]
Naphex forgot that :P [19:53]
Naphex signature is hmac-sha256 with secret, from field 1 to uuid [19:53]
pankkake you never know where security bugs are [19:53]
Naphex OTP - is otp released to the client, by levels email yubikey/gpg/ - whatever [19:53]
Naphex messages will only be fowarded by firewalls/load balancers/proxy whatever. only if valid clean message [19:54]
Naphex so lets say, max length 120, valid checksum, valid message [19:54]
benkay are you just eval'ing those funcalls when you get 'em? [19:54]
Naphex then server checks signature, then checks otp [19:54]
Naphex i have state-full firewalls that know the protocol before [19:55]
Naphex and they check and validate the protocol and messages before [19:55]
Naphex just to make sure they are clean, and no 0 day can travell till the end [19:55]
mike_c mpex actually did lose some investor funds according to rota :) [19:56]
thestringpuller mike_c: good point ;) man that was a long time ago [19:56]
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asciilifeform gotta ask, what's the basis for trusting 'yubikey' ? [19:57]
Naphex asciilifeform: i trust them mostly, but the security level is chosen by the client. so if client trusts yubi, then it trusts yubi validation servers [19:58]
Naphex i will soon be implementing GPG OTP [19:58]
Naphex so there [19:58]
asciilifeform the hardware. [19:58]
asciilifeform afaik - as closed as it gets [19:59]
Naphex asciilifeform: [20:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.70729420 BTC to 7`514 shares, 36030 satoshi per share [20:00]
Naphex i'd recommend the system over gauth [20:00]
Naphex and you don't have to keep the secret keys for it [20:00]
asciilifeform Naphex: what can we tell from this marketing brochure? [20:00]
asciilifeform i see no description of the internals. [20:01]
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Naphex of the hardware? [20:02]
asciilifeform correct [20:02]
Naphex doubt their open [20:03]
asciilifeform they're not. [20:03]
Naphex but the software is, and there are some yubi software generators around [20:03]
thestringpuller what's the point of 2 factor? [20:03]
asciilifeform the hardware makes a promise. [20:03]
asciilifeform we cannot see if the promise is kept [20:03]
thestringpuller true but far less than say bitcoinica [20:05]
Naphex i use a yubikey neo, and i'm pretty happy with it [20:05]
Naphex i don't place maxtrust on it [20:05]
Naphex but it's a level above [20:05]
Naphex don't place maxtrust(TM) on anything though :) [20:06]
asciilifeform it's never a question of 'maxtrust' [20:06]
asciilifeform for instance, what measures, if any, against 'differential power analysis' in yubikey? [20:08]
fluffypony on the topic of SeedCoin: [20:08]
asciilifeform the closed aspect suggests, 'none' [20:08]
thestringpuller offline/online [20:10]
benkay fluffypony: you missed the conversation where we mocked sfi for just listing a bunch of other people's projects on their havelock page. [20:10]
thestringpuller sorry misreading your sentence [20:10]
pankkake well, GPG allows you to be partially online [20:10]
fluffypony benkay: yeah the whole thing is a joke [20:10]
Naphex asciilifeform: are you sugesting DPA could be use in retriving yubikey secret? [20:10]
pankkake unless it signs with the main key [20:10]
Naphex which you would need to generate a valid otp [20:10]
asciilifeform Naphex: for instance. [20:10]
fluffypony benkay: did you see their reply to my TagPesa questions? they're all shock and horror that I suggested that institutional investors and even casual observers aren't impressed with them [20:11]
kakobrekla mike_c : < dis ok? note the csv url is different nao [20:11]
benkay i saw something to the effect in the logs. tbqf i don't in2 drama. [20:11]
asciilifeform a closed gadget suggests that there is something to be gained from learning what has been kept closed. [20:12]
mike_c kakobrekla: perfect, thanks. [20:14]
Naphex asciilifeform: apperantly it got sca'd some time ago [20:15]
Naphex Having discovered the security problem, before publication, we contacted the [20:15]
asciilifeform there we go. [20:15]
Naphex vendor Yubico as mentioned before. Yubico acknowledged our results and has [20:15]
Naphex taken measures to mitigate the security issues. We examined an updated firmware [20:15]
Naphex (version 2.4) and found that our attacks do not apply to this improved version. [20:15]
Naphex so yeah they had to tape the button [20:16]
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asciilifeform interesting lack of detail about vendor's response. [20:17]
Naphex there is a response bit more down [20:17]
Naphex something about NEO and STANDARD were unaffected because OATH [20:17]
asciilifeform that's a response? [20:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 405 @ 0.001 = 0.405 BTC [20:22]
Naphex guess so, still.. you'd still need the button pressed [20:23]
Naphex or taped [20:23]
Naphex so a backdoor /trojan wouldn't get it without a huge sample size [20:24]
Naphex i'm not trumpeting yubikey, but i don't know of a better OTP atm [20:24]
asciilifeform nothing to do with trojans [20:25]
asciilifeform the device comes with not one but two gestures of bad faith [20:26]
asciilifeform i.e. - close, [20:26]
asciilifeform and undertakes to solve a problem to which there can be no solution [20:26]
asciilifeform *closed [20:26]
Naphex well, i just use it as a solution for OTP without handling private keys [20:26]
asciilifeform you're still handling private keys [20:27]
Naphex for GAuth you gotta transport the secret to the user [20:27]
asciilifeform just in a box [20:27]
asciilifeform that is decorated with alchemical symbols, in order to seem impenetrable to naive buyer [20:27]
Naphex you're not handling the private keys since you can just check yubico servers [20:28]
asciilifeform you gotta transport the secret to the user << did i wake up today in a parallel universe where public-key crypto was never invented ? [20:28]
Naphex you only need client's pubkey [20:28]
Naphex asciilifeform: still protecting Gauth secret ruins the whole point [20:29]
Naphex if i have to deliver DH/GPG secret to the client for GAuth [20:29]
Naphex to just have it on the phone / or cached or who knows what [20:30]
Naphex i'd just stop ther eand request gpg auth:P [20:30]
asciilifeform take minute to think, what is yubi hiding, when refusing to publish the design ? [20:30]
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* Naphex unplugs yubikey out :) [20:32]
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Naphex well - a completly open OTP token, with hardware for sale would make a killin' [20:33]
Naphex i'd buy one [20:33]
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Naphex ;;rate 1 asciilifeform NSA Should make a open OTP Token ;] [20:39]
gribble Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. [20:39]
Naphex ;;rate 1 asciilifeform NSA Should make a open OTP Token [20:39]
gribble Error: 'asciilifeform' is not a valid integer. [20:39]
Naphex psh [20:39]
Naphex ;;rate asciilifeform 1 NSA Should make a open OTP Token [20:39]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded. [20:39]
Naphex noob me, forgeting syntax [20:39]
kakobrekla Naphex forget it, he is busy with the sub [20:39]
pankkake ;;rate asciilifeform 1 makes the best tinfoil hats [20:40]
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asciilifeform Naphex: 'cardano' could in principle be used as 'token.' but you gotta understand the difference between what yubi promises and what honest people can actually physically achieve [20:40]
asciilifeform ed felten's words, 'try to make a safe that can be left in burglar's living room' sums up the issue [20:40]
benkay what does yubi nominally promise? [20:41]
asciilifeform benkay: it promises that a private key can be sent in the post, left plugged in at wiring closet, etc. without danger. [20:41]
benkay hue [20:41]
diametric me too [20:42]
Naphex for me it promises a OTP, from the user. which i can validate without holding a secret [20:42]
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asciilifeform Naphex: what i'm trying to get across is that a fellow with yubikey in his pocket is, in fact, 'holding a secret' [20:43]
Naphex and OTP just removes the risk of insider/intrusion that can just spam hotwallet servers or trade messages with withdrawals [20:43]
asciilifeform even if a con artist has fooled him into thinking otherwise [20:43]
Naphex asciilifeform: i'm talking from a server end point, i don't have to keep user secret. just public key [20:43]
Naphex so user gives me yubi pub key, and then shoots OTP [20:44]
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Naphex i validate OTP against yubiservers [20:44]
asciilifeform since no one groks, looks like i'll have to 'draw a picture.' [20:44]
asciilifeform extraction of yubi internal key by the postman isn't the only interesting scenario [20:45]
asciilifeform vendor has the key. [20:45]
asciilifeform does he need to? the way it is designed - yes [20:45]
artifexd If it makes a difference, yubikey's internal slots are client writable. [20:45]
Naphex true, but my risk is still reduced, that an attacker/breacher would have to have private keys leaked, have user secrets, and have user email, and penetrate hard within infrastructure without detection, to nab some satoshi from the hot wallet [20:46]
asciilifeform likewise, given closed design, user has no way of knowing if yubi tosses a few bits of key into each signature nonce [20:46]
asciilifeform etc [20:46]
benkay can't vet the thing's behavior, artifexd. might as well be squirting things written to those slots back home. [20:46]
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Naphex some risk reduction is worth it, even if not bulletproof in all theoretical/practical/NSA cases [20:47]
asciilifeform you don't need an army and navy to pwn yubi users. just a little bit of cooperation from the vendor. [20:47]
Naphex at least some 0 day or insider, or whatever breaches deep enough to issue withdrawal messages [20:48]
asciilifeform in that respect, it is exactly like other seekoority snake oil products. [20:48]
Naphex it still needs that stuff to do damage [20:48]
artifexd The point was that, instead of reading the key, an attacker could put his own key in there since he supposedly has access to the device prior to the client getting it. Also, the client could generate and insert is own keys thus destroying the attacker's advantage. [20:48]
Naphex you don't have to go that deep [20:48]
artifexd That may, or may not, invalidate the ability to use yubikey's servers though. I don't know. [20:48]
asciilifeform all of the traditional crapola is present. enforced and perpetual dependence on the vendor, for example. [20:49]
kakobrekla gox loaded yubis with their keys so the keys were locked to gox use only [20:49]
Naphex you can just realtime phish or sniff/block otp [20:49]
Naphex but that attack needs to be targeted [20:49]
Naphex and gox had the keys [20:50]
asciilifeform fact is, any secret key generated outside of your home should be assumed to be in enemy hands at birth. [20:50]
Naphex of course [20:51]
benkay all of a sudden i'm struck by the notion that the only good withdrawal message is one gpg-signed by the withdrawing party. [20:51]
Naphex said signer can still leak his keyphrase and key [20:51]
Naphex so.. [20:51]
benkay not holding party's problem, though. [20:51]
asciilifeform yubi, by all indications, is designed to resist any attempt to determine whether it leaks key. therefore i must assume that it does. [20:52]
artifexd benkay If the yubikey registers as a keyboard, how can it access the network? [20:53]
artifexd It can certainly be loaded on an airgapped machine. [20:54]
Naphex artifexd: you touch the button, it types the OTP [20:56]
artifexd Yeah. I have several. [20:56]
Naphex ah sorry, i missread [20:56]
artifexd benkay suggested that the yubikey could phone home (or any attacker) with the new contents if it were reloaded. I was questioning that. [20:57]
Naphex ah, i doubt it. unless their personalization tool phones home, but doubt that [20:58]
benkay artifexd: i don't know enough about the thing. it pretends to be a keyboard, though? sounds like a lot of unexaminable dependencies. [20:59]
artifexd And even if it did, run it on an airgapped machine. [20:59]
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benkay so yubi is a signing thing? what are these yubi servers an implementer talks to? [20:59]
benkay it sounds weird and i don't trust it. [20:59]
benkay contrast with transparency of...gnu privacy guard. [21:00]
artifexd Similar to the transparency of... openssl? [21:01]
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benkay bedrock of public crypto...known shitburger. great comparison. [21:02]
artifexd Open source compared to open source. The point is that being open doesn't make something trustworthy. [21:03]
benkay however being closed does make a thing impossible to trust. [21:04]
benkay this goes back to the problem of trust in the wot. openssl, pirate...ask anyone who knows things what they think of the two. [21:05]
benkay hey, guys: which is less likely to leak? openssl or gpg? [21:05]
benkay the comparison is not made on the basis of openness, rather by asking professionals and the experienced what their opinions are and why they are that. [21:05]
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Naphex for me its still about risk reduction [21:07]
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Naphex attacker needs username, password, otp(yubi,gpg), email for approving a withdrawal [21:08]
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thestringpuller Naphex: i can get all three by putting a gun to the customer's head [21:10]
thestringpuller 4* [21:10]
pankkake you couldn't, I don't have my passwords [21:11]
Naphex sure. if you get all 4 the only thing that can save you is hope you don't hit any short-circuits or be enough in the hot wallet [21:11]
Naphex :P [21:11]
Naphex maybe i can ask an emergency question? [21:12]
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Naphex and only one right answer, if you put in wrong answer we helicopter and save you [21:12]
pankkake :D [21:12]
thestringpuller why not consolidate all 4 to gpg [21:13]
Naphex you can set some really abstract question [21:13]
Naphex thestringpuller: i am, i will be adding GPG auth. but thats it [21:13]
Naphex we are planning on reaching regular folks as well [21:13]
Naphex not just the crypto community [21:13]
Naphex but we will be adding some nice UX for GPG authentication [21:14]
Naphex and doing some tutorial video for setting up, for noobs [21:14]
Naphex so there's that [21:14]
Naphex - its meant to have some easyability in it, remember it's an exchange and we will be having a transaction fee at some point [21:16]
ozbot - The first Bitcoin exchange in Romania [21:16]
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Duffer1 sf2? oh lawd another one? [21:36]
mike_c there are so many good companies for them to invest in! they need more funds. [21:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.000835 = 0.167 BTC [+] {2} [21:36]
Duffer1 incredible [21:37]
Naphex BTCTrip is nice and works well [21:37]
fluffypony Naphex: that's the exception to the rule [21:38]
fluffypony it's actually a completed product [21:38]
fluffypony have you seen TagPesa's pitch deck? [21:38]
fluffypony or BiTnews [21:38]
Naphex nah, the rest look like bull [21:38]
Naphex [21:38]
ozbot Operators | Ignite Financing [21:38]
Naphex rly [21:38]
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thestringpuller ;;google major tom venture bros. [21:49]
gribble Major Tom | The Venture Bros. | Adult Swim - YouTube: ; Major Tom - The Venture Bros. Wiki - The People's Republic of ...: ; Ghosts of the Sargasso - The Venture Bros. Wiki - The People's ...: [21:49]
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dR3 Greets all. Appreciate this chan. That is all =) [22:25]
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thestringpuller they are gonna show us howt hey run this show [22:33]
thestringpuller HOW THEY RUN IT INTO THE GROUND [22:33]
mike_c they got their mistakes out of the way with SF1. You need to jump on SF2, it's going to the moon. [22:33]
thestringpuller i'd rather put money in mpif [22:33]
thestringpuller or just make equal high weight bets on boths sides of a bit bet... [22:34]
thestringpuller :P [22:34]
fluffypony who needs dividends, jurov? [22:35]
fluffypony investors should just throw money at it [22:35]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu my hunch is that all known block ciphers have non-linear keyspaces. [22:42]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:42]
asciilifeform ;;google nonlinear keyspace [22:42]
gribble Weak key - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; hybrid message-embedded cipher using logistic map - arXiv: ; State convergence and keyspace reduction of the Mixer stream cipher: [22:42]
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asciilifeform jurov: this notion is not original to me, visit the literature [22:46]
midnightmagic history of past bad keyspace means attackers try that first always [22:46]
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midnightmagic (aside from weak keygen) [22:47]
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BingoBoingo mike_c: It will be harder to track my part of MPIF, but the monthly statements will still exist, and there's the part where at least at the start of this the operation I am running is smaller than the other portions. [22:49]
mike_c it would be feasible to have a webpage showing your balances. that is perhaps not a good idea for a market maker though. [22:51]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [-] [22:57]
BingoBoingo mike_c: Well, the monthly reports will include exact balances, but I'm not yet sure about the wisdom of offering balances in real time. That might leak things like when exactly trades executed and where I had orders sitting on the orderbook. [22:58]
mike_c yeah. definitely a balancing act with how visible it should be. [22:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [-] [23:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0406 = 0.1218 BTC [-] [23:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-] [23:00]
fluffypony "Due to popular demand, now available to trade on an easier to use system. Available here ticker DUN" [23:03]
fluffypony well that's the end of that [23:03]
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fluffypony jurov: well you also don't have to do anything to list [23:07]
fluffypony except say "I want to list" [23:07]
fluffypony in fact [23:07]
fluffypony I'd hazard it's easier to list there than on MasterCoin [23:07]
fluffypony yep [23:07]
fluffypony :-P [23:07]
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moiety my client was flashing when i got in, not sure if it was because moiety or manuls was mentioned [23:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 577 @ 0.001 = 0.577 BTC [23:23]
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moiety ;; later tell mircea_popescu even the doges are at it now must be for cinco de mayo [23:24]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [23:24]
fluffypony LOL [23:25]
fluffypony have to show my wife that [23:25]
fluffypony moiety: I mentioned manuls [23:25]
pankkake lol a hilight on manuls [23:26]
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moiety alongside moiety... so im unsure which triggered smuxi to flash [23:26]
moiety hi pankkake :D [23:26]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: Do you worry that maybe your wife might begin to suspect you might be spending all of this time online trying to cheat on her with a Manul? [23:27]
moiety that would obviously be forgiven as soon as she looked up manuls? [23:27]
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moiety also herroo BB :D [23:28]
asciilifeform fly manul to argentina, breed with colocolo -> double thickness [23:28]
moiety you are a genius [23:28]
diametric asciilifeform: hows mainboard development going? [23:28]
asciilifeform diametric: had to switch to 4-layer. [23:28]
asciilifeform diametric: something that i was hoping to avoid [23:28]
diametric damn [23:29]
moiety i tried to rewire a mouse today, didnt go so well [23:29]
pankkake a manul ate it? [23:30]
moiety unfortunately not. i tried to frankenstein the usb bit on the end with a non frayed one. i ended up with more bits than i started with D; [23:31]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: we have 6 dogs [23:31]
fluffypony she knows I would never [23:31]
moiety the hattori is a bit more vicious on little wires than i was expecting [23:32]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: All it takes is 1 Manul and then you have 0 dogs [23:32]
moiety ^ this [23:32]
fluffypony we have Basenjis [23:32]
fluffypony they'll take a Manul on [23:32]
moiety oh wow they dont bark do they [23:32]
fluffypony nope [23:32]
fluffypony they yodel [23:32]
moiety yodelling dogs! [23:32]
moiety i know the ones! [23:32]
moiety they are corgi coloured BB but legs are like 5 times the length [23:33]
BingoBoingo They look like malnourished strays [23:33]
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fluffypony BingoBoingo: lol [23:33]
moiety just because youre used to seeing fat assed corgis [23:33]
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moiety you would be horrified at greyhounds [23:34]
fluffypony they're one of the ancient breeds, so they're the dogs in ancient egypt that the pharoahs worshipped [23:34]
asciilifeform basenji - that looks quite like the dogs i saw in Timis. [23:34]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The basenji is basically a pariah dog type. What other dogs revert to after uncontrolled breeding. Natural strays. [23:34]
fluffypony yer` [23:35]
fluffypony if you lock a bunch of dogs on an island [23:35]
fluffypony say, Australia [23:35]
fluffypony and come back in 100 years [23:35]
fluffypony you'll have an island of Basenjis [23:35]
BingoBoingo Compare to [23:35]
assbot Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes. [23:36]
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BingoBoingo Or its ancestor [23:36]
BingoBoingo 'They were developed as a water rescue/lifesaving dog, but according to O. Krasnovskaya, "That was not a good idea as [they] were not willing to save drowning people, but mostly were looking to bite them so this breed was never developed".' [23:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-] [23:37]
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Naphex sounds in tune with youtube russia :) [23:40]
Naphex gn [23:42]
moiety rhodesian ridgeback is an interesting dog imo [23:45]
BingoBoingo just because it hunts lions, doesn't mean it will be effective against a Manul though. [23:46]
moiety night Naphex sleep well :] [23:46]
moiety nothing is effective against a manul! [23:46]
fluffypony moiety: except a pack of Basenjis! [23:46]
fluffypony :-P [23:46]
moiety well, you have a pack.... shall we experiment? [23:47]
moiety BB start the BitBet nao! [23:47]
moiety put your bitcoins where your basenjis are fluffypony :P [23:48]
* moiety bets on manuls [23:48]
fluffypony lol [23:48]
fluffypony moiety I would [23:48]
fluffypony but [23:48]
fluffypony I don't want to be responsible for a dead manul [23:48]
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moiety dead happy manul* [23:49]
moiety dead = very in scotland [23:49]
fluffypony lol [23:49]
fluffypony moiety here [23:51]
fluffypony [23:51]
ozbot Basenji fight - Imgur [23:51]
fluffypony that's what happens when the beta picks a fight with the alpha [23:51]
fluffypony (the beta lost, he's the one with the bust up eye) [23:52]
mircea_popescu %t [23:52]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 156 Ask: 238 Last Price: 200 24h-Vol: 978k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 184 [23:52]
mircea_popescu so how was the difficulty ? [23:53]
mircea_popescu %block [23:53]
mod6 %diff [23:53]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 174611.14 in 1931 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -61.65 [23:53]
mircea_popescu aty [23:53]
mircea_popescu .d [23:53]
ozbot 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 180 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.5004% in 1d 1h 20m 11s [23:53]
moiety fluffypony: wow what a shame D; [23:53]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 455357.13 / 6.979 / 10**9 [23:53]
gribble 6.5246758848e-05 [23:53]
mircea_popescu 0.00006524 by diff. [23:54]
fluffypony moiety: yeah, they belong to the "fight to the death" school of pack leadership :-P [23:54]
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moiety fluffypony: like hamsters [23:55]
fluffypony there we go [23:55]
fluffypony giant, yodelling hamsters [23:55]
moiety XD bahahahahaha [23:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform its probable yubikeys have a master, yes. [23:55]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not only this, but they write the key. ergo, they have the key. [23:56]
asciilifeform somehow this concept is 'rocket surgery' to people. [23:57]
fluffypony it's still a sight better than "password + birthday = secure password" [23:59]
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