Forum logs for 29 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform may as well say that it beats being dragged behind a truck until nothing remains on the rope but a tattered thread of skin. [00:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> you gotta transport the secret to the user << did i wake up today in a parallel universe where public-key crypto was never invented ? << no, you woke up in a parallel universe where microsoft is still a business model. [00:02]
mircea_popescu not THAT paralel. [00:02]
asciilifeform lul [00:02]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: i'm talking from a server end point, i don't have to keep user secret. just public key <<< see, there. that's the value proposition : it allows the operator to say "sorry, fuck you" to the user in terms that are socially acceptable, [00:03]
mircea_popescu unlike the bitbet style, which while being exactly the same thing, is socially unacceptable. [00:03]
mircea_popescu artifexd> That may, or may not, invalidate the ability to use yubikey's servers though. I don't know. << afaik blowing their key does make it unable to use the servers, because you see, the true beauty of stupidty : they actually narrow the keyspace (significantly) to make their product vendor-lockedin [00:05]
mircea_popescu ie, not all keys work, key has to satisfy magic yubikey criteria on top of entropy [00:05]
pankkake lol [00:06]
pankkake oh was that why the mtgox keys worked only with mtgox? [00:06]
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mircea_popescu all of a sudden i'm struck by the notion that the only good withdrawal message is one gpg-signed by the withdrawing party. << welcome to... 2012 ? [00:06]
mircea_popescu pankkake yup. [00:06]
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artifexd The code to run a yubikey server is open source so you, I, or anyone is welcome to swap out the key and run their own server. [00:06]
mircea_popescu they used same principle, except (afaik) even shittier implementation [00:06]
mircea_popescu reduced space even more [00:06]
pankkake that's like the password things that require you to have "at least one number, one capitalized letter, one symbol" [00:07]
mircea_popescu kinda worse, tbh [00:07]
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mircea_popescu hey, guys: which is less likely to leak? openssl or gpg? << gpg may still have a bug or two in there. [00:08]
mircea_popescu we are planning on reaching regular folks as well << tbh, as long as you ernestly offer the strong version, nobody can hold it against you that you also offer a convenient version. [00:09]
mircea_popescu as long as the user can choose, you're scott free. [00:10]
mircea_popescu they got their mistakes out of the way with SF1. You need to jump on SF2, it's going to the moon. << i forget, what was the eventual return on that thing ? [00:10]
mircea_popescu (aside from weak keygen) << and aside from planted holes. [00:11]
mike_c sf1 stock is down 15% from ipo in december, no dividends. [00:12]
mike_c so not bad for havelol [00:12]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.03447 = 0.6205 BTC [+] {6} [00:13]
fluffypony mike_c: I'd love to know what they're going to do since GoCoin rejected their investment [00:13]
fluffypony so now they have this pile of BTC that was meant for GoCoin [00:13]
fluffypony or OkPay [00:13]
fluffypony or whatever it's called [00:13]
mike_c i'm sure they will find someone willing to take it. [00:14]
fluffypony GoCoin [00:14]
fluffypony [00:14]
ozbot Seedcoin Fund I Update: No GoCoin, What Next? [00:14]
mircea_popescu today i learned Basenji is a sort of dog. [00:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03447 = 0.3102 BTC [+] {4} [00:14]
mircea_popescu o wow all caught up with log. check me out! [00:16]
* mircea_popescu does a little all caught up dance. [00:16]
mircea_popescu mike_c ah, almost worse than dr foreskin [00:17]
mircea_popescu fluffypony they'll buy virtual mining shares. [00:17]
fluffypony hah hah [00:17]
mircea_popescu this concept where they return the investment is obviously too much for teh forum. [00:17]
artifexd mircea_popescu: What is the way in which purchasers of f.mpif are expecting to make money? Increase in nav? Dividends? [00:19]
pankkake my last encounter with jimmothy points to that :/ [00:20]
mircea_popescu artifexd well substantially, my thinking is that one does not simply kill berkshire, one also makes a replacement. if one's polite, at least. [00:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC [00:20]
mircea_popescu so in general, the share should appreciate through tracking its nav. [00:20]
artifexd That implies that you do not expect to issue regular dividends. Correct? [00:21]
mircea_popescu dividends will happen if there's no rational use of capital comensurate with historical gains, so if the thing makes ~10% pa for a while, and there's no way to beat that, i'd start distributing capital [00:21]
pankkake it's in the blog post iirc [00:21]
mircea_popescu artifexd correct. it even says as much. [00:21]
mircea_popescu " It may pay a dividend during any period I determine this expedient, but there is no promise of monthly dividend (nor does such a thing make any sense whatsoever, for most companies)." [00:22]
artifexd Well. Crap. I hate asking questions when the answer is in black and white. [00:22]
mircea_popescu eh no big deal, you don't have a charged history. [00:22]
mircea_popescu everyone can get away with a few. [00:22]
pankkake no one should be blamed for tl;dring trilema [00:23]
mircea_popescu anyway : because i actually included pc5 explicitly, the share actually has a clear mechanism to track nav pretty closely. [00:23]
mircea_popescu this i personally regard as a structural and significant improvement over berkshire. [00:23]
fluffypony hah hah pankkake [00:24]
pankkake there's no public nav for berkshire? [00:24]
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fluffypony I normally have to gloss over Trilema posts 5 or 6 times before I remember what it was about [00:24]
Namworld Returning the investment is not something that the forum can digest you say? So if I complete repaying all my lenders, all hell will break loose on the forum? [00:24]
fluffypony Namworld: I think the world will come to the end [00:24]
Panadol_____ pankkake parseval paxtoncamaro91 Perlboy phf phish pizzaman1338 PsychoticBoy Pucilowski punkman1 [00:24]
mircea_popescu pankkake eh i wouldn't go as far as that [00:24]
pankkake fluffypony: I'll eventually make a script to put them on my ereader. maybe I'll read them all then [00:25]
mircea_popescu Namworld in a word, yes. [00:25]
mircea_popescu pankkake see, the problem is you don't fly enough. [00:25]
Namworld Seems like a good reason to not give up then. [00:25]
mircea_popescu i know at least a dozen people who read trilema while travelling. catch up with a month's worth on an intercontinental flight [00:25]
pankkake I have had some productivity streaks while on the train [00:26]
pankkake that's actually why I don't mind long *comfortable* travel over short inconfortable [00:26]
mircea_popescu btw, what's the worst time to have a productive streak ? [00:26]
fluffypony on the toilet [00:26]
mircea_popescu when you're riding a bird. [00:26]
pankkake I usually solve problems when peeing [00:26]
mircea_popescu (scottish bird = girl) [00:27]
fluffypony lol [00:27]
mircea_popescu btw, what's with the brony power puff nick ? [00:27]
mircea_popescu faghaters were inquiring earlier. [00:27]
fluffypony oh I saw that in the log [00:27]
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fluffypony ok so when I was young, maybe 22 or 23 [00:28]
mircea_popescu "this one time, in band camp..." [00:28]
fluffypony I worked at this IT company, and there were these two cute sales girls (literally the only two decent looking people at the company) [00:28]
fluffypony and they were known as fluffy puppy and fluffy bunny [00:28]
fluffypony never asked why [00:28]
fluffypony at any rate, we went on a team building weekend away [00:28]
fluffypony got slaughter-house drunk with them whilst the nerds went to sleep [00:29]
fluffypony and they decided to give me a nick name [00:29]
mircea_popescu before or after the oral sex ? [00:29]
fluffypony so in the wee hours of a debaucherus night/morning they decided my nick name would be fluffy horse [00:29]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: inbetween and all around [00:29]
artifexd Isn't that known as "fluffing"? [00:29]
fluffypony artifexd: that came up as part of the convo that night ;) [00:29]
mircea_popescu is this story a subtle suggestion you've got a nigger hose ? [00:30]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: *wink* [00:30]
fluffypony anyway, I thought fluffy horse "sounded gay" [00:30]
mircea_popescu don't wink at me, i don't twink that way [00:30]
fluffypony and they thought "fluffy pony" was much better [00:30]
fluffypony which was "lol funny joke" [00:30]
mircea_popescu lol o i c, fluffy pony is less gay. right. what'd you drink, paint thinner ? [00:30]
pankkake maybe in an ironic way [00:30]
fluffypony till they started calling me fluffypony and FP in emails and at Friday afternoon drinks [00:30]
fluffypony and it stuck [00:30]
mircea_popescu well cool story brony. [00:31]
mircea_popescu glad i asked. [00:31]
fluffypony well it's better than some of my nicknames in the 90s [00:31]
fluffypony I think I was death-0ver0rd on Dalnet for like a year [00:32]
mircea_popescu artifexd fluffing is when a youngish girl that aspires to one day make money from porn tries her inept damdest to get up the overworked penis of some druggie pronstar guy [00:32]
fluffypony *shudders* [00:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.06750616 = 0.8101 BTC [-] [00:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC [00:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+] [00:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20086 @ 0.00097079 = 19.4993 BTC [-] {2} [00:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.00554001 = 0.1108 BTC [-] [00:44]
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jurov mrstickball, you can inquire Mr. Miquel J. Pavón Besalú for lulz if you want provided you publish the convo, [00:48]
mircea_popescu [00:48]
ozbot B of A math error halts dividend increase | America's Markets [00:48]
mircea_popescu check tghis shit out. [00:48]
jurov i'll give you his addy [00:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [-] [00:49]
jurov he asked me to list HFLTC on coinbr [00:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26247 @ 0.00097351 = 25.5517 BTC [+] {2} [00:51]
jurov he is there [00:51]
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jurov i preferred not to ask, sent him straight to read trilema [00:53]
jurov that fell to deaf ears [00:53]
mircea_popescu numerisTrade answered your comments. [00:55]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: are most romania young ladies hot? [00:57]
thestringpuller seems like Romania is the new Brazil [00:57]
mircea_popescu they're hungry and they walk a lot. [00:58]
mircea_popescu it helps. [00:58]
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jurov !up ericmuyser [01:00]
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mircea_popescu !jd mpif [01:00]
assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.24168916 BTC [01:00]
mircea_popescu hey where's my 7% a week [01:00]
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jurov lol such stereotype heaping [01:01]
thestringpuller did ReutersEmily ever make an mpex article? [01:01]
mircea_popescu not afaik. [01:01]
mircea_popescu i imagine if she did she'd have come back and dropped a line [01:02]
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thestringpuller I'm reading up on the march 21st logs, just wondering what came of the IRC interview. [01:04]
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benkay fluffypony: All it takes is 1 Manul and then you have 0 doges << ftfy [01:06]
benkay manul for atc mascot? [01:06]
benkay !up blackwhite_ [01:06]
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mircea_popescu is it like an altcat ? [01:06]
benkay better than a lolcat [01:06]
benkay not quite the dragon of btc [01:07]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller since then we've had another reuters chick recently [01:07]
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benkay was there a recursive bitbet recently? [01:08]
thestringpuller are there logs there? [01:08]
thestringpuller err [01:08]
thestringpuller lemme just google [01:08]
thestringpuller benkay: recursive bet? [01:09]
benkay not necessarily recently [01:09]
thestringpuller ;;gettrust Ukyo [01:09]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Ukyo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [01:09]
benkay something like 'this bet resolves as yes if there's more yes than no' [01:09]
thestringpuller ;;gettrust utko [01:09]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user utko: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [01:09]
benkay more btc bet on yes i mean [01:09]
thestringpuller ;;gettrust ukto [01:09]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user ukto: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 3 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Wed Jun 15 00:24:56 2011 [01:09]
mircea_popescu ;;google "pura vida" [01:09]
gribble #bitcoin-assets log: [01:09]
fluffypony oh well that's helpful [01:09]
fluffypony lol [01:09]
mircea_popescu google is like a paragon of useless. [01:09]
benkay submit to the personalization, mircea_popescu [01:10]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller Apr 23 05:03:11 [01:10]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: jesus google has gotten good meanwhile ?! << haha mircea_popescu has a love hate relationship with google [01:11]
benkay sf1 stock is down 15% from ipo in december, no dividends. [01:11]
dub has s.mpif a blogsplanation? [01:11]
mircea_popescu yeah. actual hate and ironic love. [01:11]
benkay ;;google trilema wunderbar spif [01:11]
gribble No matches found. [01:11]
mircea_popescu dub [01:12]
benkay ;;google trilema wunderbar mpif [01:12]
gribble The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Economic cycles finally explained pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Gloria pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [01:12]
mircea_popescu benkay weird how that works huh [01:12]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema wunderbar smpif [01:12]
gribble The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [01:12]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema smpif [01:12]
gribble The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [01:12]
mircea_popescu ;;google smpif [01:12]
gribble The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; The Legend of Malin Kundang by Muthy - YouTube: ; PV#1 Light Novel Indonesia "TOP IDOL!" - YouTube: [01:12]
dub oh yeah I think I read that after 24 hours travel [01:12]
fluffypony [01:12]
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thestringpuller AH one from Central mexico [01:14]
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benkay I worked at this IT company, and there were these two cute sales girls (literally the only two decent looking people at the company) << including you? [01:14]
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thestringpuller hahaha [01:14]
fluffypony benkay: pretty much, I've never claimed to be beautiful [01:14]
fluffypony my wife certainly didn't marry me for my looks [01:14]
mircea_popescu the only thing about him is the way that he walks. [01:15]
mircea_popescu he can't even dance. [01:15]
fluffypony heh heh [01:15]
fluffypony hot sun, beating down, burning my feet just walkin' around [01:15]
mircea_popescu my black stony heart is so satisfied today. [01:16]
thestringpuller so web of trust I think gets more accurate over time [01:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00445035 = 0.267 BTC [-] [01:16]
mircea_popescu this romanian party, was ruling party. a year or so ago i quit, and quite publicly told them to either bring me the head of the then-president or else there will be no fucking party. [01:16]
mircea_popescu they just split, lost the government, are probably going straight to the history books. [01:16]
fluffypony poetic justice [01:17]
mircea_popescu ah, the sweet pleasure of the utter destruction of schmucks that thought they knew better [01:17]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller that'd be accurate [01:18]
thestringpuller well i've been doing gettrust on known scammers [01:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03447 = 0.1724 BTC [+] [01:18]
fluffypony BingoBoingo, moiety: [01:18]
thestringpuller the WoT blatantly says "Nigga don't trust these guys" [01:18]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller actually i would imagine its accuracy is a linear function of the average length of noncircular paths. [01:19]
moiety fluffypony: aww! i wonder if they followed on land too! [01:20]
thestringpuller hmm, paths that have definite endpoints? [01:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13236 @ 0.00097011 = 12.8404 BTC [-] {2} [01:20]
mircea_popescu moiety chicks only follow you the way they wanted to go anyway :D [01:20]
fluffypony hah hah [01:20]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller paths that include any given segment at most once [01:20]
mircea_popescu (segment = direct path between two nodes) [01:21]
thestringpuller Ah I see. [01:21]
thestringpuller So that would mean the more connections the more accurate? [01:22]
thestringpuller or would that just be a side-effect of what you're describing [01:22]
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mircea_popescu the "deeper" connections [01:22]
moiety my black stony heart is so satisfied today. << what did you eat?! [01:22]
mircea_popescu pasta [01:22]
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moiety pasta is good for the soul :] [01:22]
mircea_popescu i'm the grandmaster of white sauces. [01:23]
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asciilifeform anyone here own 'yubikey' ? got it to cough up its fw? [01:23]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform [01:24]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: looks like it only mentions the server-end crap [01:25]
artifexd asciilifeform: I have one that I'm willing to sacrifice to the cause but I have no idea how to do that. [01:25]
mircea_popescu "- The Yubikey personalization app saves a .csv logfile with the programmed key values meaning a malware-based attack may discover the log files on block devices even when the files have been deleted" [01:25]
artifexd I'd be willing to mail it to you if that would be useful. [01:25]
mircea_popescu artifexd only after he finishes the cardano [01:26]
asciilifeform artifexd: sadly, i'm otherwise occupied. but you are encouraged to do it yourself [01:26]
asciilifeform note that yubi is braindamaged even if there is no obvious flaw in the hardware [01:26]
asciilifeform (see log) [01:26]
asciilifeform just boggles me mind that people swallow this shit. [01:27]
moiety i think you should send me some sauce so i can test this statement mircea_popescu [01:27]
mircea_popescu a no, gotta wear a steel collar to be tasting this thing. [01:28]
kakobrekla asciilifeform its not like its cake or death dilemma [01:28]
moiety i was shown those neokey things a while ago [01:29]
asciilifeform 'we're all out of death, gonna have to be cake' [01:29]
moiety lol fair enough mircea_popescu [01:29]
fluffypony asciilifeform: he is by far my favourite comedian [01:29]
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benkay !up coingenuity [01:31]
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benkay what's up coingenuity [01:31]
benkay SUCH PUN [01:31]
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mikaeldice Hi benkay [01:32]
benkay hi mikaeldice what's news? [01:33]
mikaeldice Nothing new.. I've been wondering for a while if there is a better forum than bitcointalk, though. [01:33]
benkay just irc [01:34]
benkay the log [01:34]
benkay and blogs [01:34]
fluffypony is much better [01:34]
mircea_popescu benkay that pun took me three passes. [01:34]
benkay just another dumpun. don't break yourself. [01:35]
thestringpuller :D [01:36]
thestringpuller ;;seen alexsanjose [01:40]
gribble alexsanjose was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 19 hours, 12 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: if you come across in humans in Central America who have bitcoin gambling operations and they want to talk to a reporter, tell them i dont bite [01:40]
moiety i just realised i used later tell earlier probably wrongly because i was looking at the wrong part of the people list [01:41]
mikaeldice I'd like to see bitcoin companies start using a more transparent accounting system that's more detailed than the blockchain. It wouldn't really cut down on fraud, but it might make the incompetent more noticeable and accountable. [01:41]
mircea_popescu mikaeldice [01:42]
fluffypony mikaeldice: they could just publish their monthlies and prove they have access to the funds they claim by sending it to a public address [01:43]
mikaeldice Thanks, mircea_popescu, I've read that post before and enjoyed it. [01:44]
mircea_popescu so then what are you talking about ? [01:44]
benkay fluffypony: wouldn't simply signing with the addr key suffice? [01:44]
mircea_popescu that's the accounting standard, bitcoin companies do use it, etc. [01:44]
mikaeldice I was thinking more of an open ledger which automatically updates with expenditures from preset addresses. The user adds a justification, maybe associates an expense account to it [01:44]
benkay sounds like a DAC [01:45]
benkay burn it with fire [01:45]
fluffypony benkay: they may move things around during the month for operational purposes (change addresses in a wallet etc.), so moving it into one address is a very quick operation [01:45]
benkay fluffypony: what fraction of corporate funds are you expecting to be in hot storage? [01:47]
fluffypony benkay: depends on the type of business [01:47]
mircea_popescu why do people constantly want to do things differently than the way things are done i have no idea. [01:47]
benkay girl is using the mini sledge to pulverize peanut brittle [01:50]
thestringpuller why do people constantly want to do things differently than the way things are done i have no idea. << like when people try to put the square block into the circle hole? [01:51]
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mircea_popescu what';s a mini sledge ? like a mega peanut ? [01:51]
mikaeldice Well, the problem is that things aren't getting done the right way. The system you outline in your website is a good one, but few people use it. [01:51]
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mircea_popescu mikaeldice all bitcoin corps use it, actually. [01:52]
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fluffypony mikaeldice: the reason it isn't being done isn't because it's complicated [01:56]
mikaeldice Are you narrowly defining what a bitcoin corp is? Taking a look at the securities forum, it's almost not in use by most of the scams and incompetents there. When there is reporting, it's late and/or incomplete.. [01:56]
fluffypony it's not like if you create an easier system all the scams will be like "ohai, let's be legit!" [01:56]
mikaeldice True, but the goal would be to generate red flags on incompetence more than anything [01:57]
fluffypony mikaeldice: that would need to be done BEFORE investing [01:57]
fluffypony mikaeldice: also, re: what is a "Bitcoin business" - [01:57]
mircea_popescu mikaeldice but the scams and incompetents aren't bitcoin corps. i mean it's like saying turbojet propulsion isn't used by model airplanes. sure. [01:57]
mircea_popescu they're... not jets. [01:58]
mircea_popescu and so your goal is quite visible, isn't it. [01:58]
benkay mircea_popescu: [01:58]
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mircea_popescu s/goal/flag [01:58]
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mikaeldice True [01:58]
mircea_popescu benkay not bad! [01:58]
benkay lol now she's complaining about the fact that i stole her beer [01:59]
benkay told her 'when dinner's actually done then you can have a beer' [02:00]
mircea_popescu you got a 70lb chick in the house that cooks with the use of a hammer and wants beer ? [02:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16627 @ 0.00097228 = 16.1661 BTC [+] {2} [02:01]
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mircea_popescu :D [02:02]
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benkay besides, who ever knows what they want. [02:02]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [02:07]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 443.43, vol: 19086.14496026 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 428.0, vol: 7481.73286 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 442.02, vol: 16133.4219149 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 449.0, vol: 14.56566507 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 430.757808, vol: 3683.01370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 446.18059, vol: 6.12265595 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 444.6492, vol: 112.2489882 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [02:08]
BingoBoingo ;;more [02:08]
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BingoBoingo [02:08]
ozbot The FBI arrests New York Congressman Michael Grimm for fraud, perjury. [02:09]
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ozbot The Moment A Mississippi TV Station Evacuated For A Tornado [02:11]
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BingoBoingo I throw that out, because the storm sirens are engaged. [02:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4173 @ 0.00097487 = 4.0681 BTC [+] [02:15]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: srs question for you [02:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00461057 = 0.4564 BTC [+] {2} [02:17]
thestringpuller oatmeal raisin or chocolate chip [02:17]
mircea_popescu cc. [02:18]
mircea_popescu WITH raisins. [02:18]
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moiety white chocolate chip and cashew nut cookies ftw [02:40]
pankkake ew [02:40]
fluffypony here is a present for hipsters [02:40]
fluffypony [02:40]
moiety lub lub lub [02:41]
fluffypony and with that I go sleep [02:41]
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asciilifeform 'congressman can also have problems.' [02:41]
pankkake nice [02:42]
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moiety omg look what i just saw!! Here he is again! [02:46]
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asciilifeform grimm is a textbook case of 'can also have problems.' [02:49]
asciilifeform we are, of course, unlikely to learn what it was he refused to play ball with. because people having problems can also have problems. [02:50]
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thestringpuller that's pretty deep [02:52]
BingoBoingo problems beget further problems [02:52]
thestringpuller "because people having problems can also have problems" [02:52]
kakobrekla >>The Mcdonalds of webcam based adult entertainment is my goal.. And I will keep working at it until I achieve it! [02:56]
benkay kakobrekla: whassat? [02:57]
kakobrekla forum [02:57]
mikaeldice I wonder why he needs a whole franchise when a single site would be sufficient.. [02:58]
mikaeldice I could see a bitcoin casino with guest webcam models doing well [02:59]
kakobrekla im not sure he knows mcd is a franchise [03:00]
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jurov ;;later tell ThickAsThieves [03:10]
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BingoBoingo ;;rm / -r -f [03:23]
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mircea_popescu benkay wait wut [03:32]
mircea_popescu mikaeldice: I could see a bitcoin casino with guest webcam models doing well << not a half bad idea. [03:33]
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benkay mircea_popescu: why chase pennies from paupers when there are guys out there willing to spend single-digit integer fractions of btc for tits? [03:36]
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benkay hello y'all [03:36]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla : spammers can't 3forsex. [03:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, the ny mayor is now communist, that guy is teaparty. [03:38]
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mircea_popescu [04:09]
mircea_popescu lol [04:09]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [04:09]
ozbot Accounting for the Amazing Company. The Bitcointalk standard. | pankkake [04:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00097581 = 28.9816 BTC [+] {2} [04:10]
pankkake this was inspired by irc of course [04:10]
mircea_popescu i like the part where you actually use the rfc ~may~ etc conventions [04:11]
mircea_popescu plan may consists of acc [04:11]
pankkake eheh [04:11]
mircea_popescu spurious s [04:11]
pankkake I'm bad with s. even in French [04:12]
mircea_popescu which was rightfully kept secret s/rightfully/judiciously/ ? [04:12]
pankkake yes, better. the second consists should have a s though? [04:13]
mircea_popescu yes. [04:13]
mircea_popescu if subject is singular verb takes s. if plural, not. [04:13]
mircea_popescu niggers come, nigger comes. [04:14]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu what is this even [04:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00457531 = 0.183 BTC [+] [04:14]
pankkake while I should know that simple rule, it just doesn't stick [04:14]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla this. [04:14]
mircea_popescu help me help you :D [04:14]
kakobrekla okay. [04:15]
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peterl mircea_popescu: still lists S.MPIF as upcoming, shouldn't that be removed now that there is a link to F.MPIF in the "funds" section? [04:18]
mike_c there is going to be a stock that tracks the fund that tracks the bitcoin economy as a whole. [04:19]
mike_c this will in no way create a black hole that takes all ur coinz. [04:20]
mike_c or maybe it will. [04:21]
moiety lmfao at W.3 pankkake :] [04:22]
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decimation asciilifeform: I think the RSA keyfob hack demonstrates your point about yubikey perfectly [04:27]
asciilifeform decimation: wanna try a real mindfuck? [04:28]
mike_c ah, the forum is just not worth reading without mpoe-pr. "On average your investment of one BTC on that platform will have yielded about 0 BTC (dividends included) by Autumn." [04:28]
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asciilifeform decimation: rsa fob is still mandatory in usg, megacorps... [04:28]
decimation how is that possibly in their interests? [04:28]
asciilifeform decimation: bob can fuck ten thousand goats, and he's still bob the bridge-builder. [04:28]
decimation right, but bridges still need to be built [04:29]
asciilifeform if you can understand how this works, you understand usa. [04:29]
decimation I guess if bob can convince people that his goat orgy is a secure bridge, then he's good to go [04:29]
asciilifeform bridges still need to be built << nah, we can cross the water on dead goats. [04:29]
decimation lol [04:29]
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decimation apparently most folks can't tell the difference between a bridge and a pile of raped goats anyway [04:29]
decimation still; why would someone like yubikey watch bob and say "I want me some of that?" [04:30]
asciilifeform if you want a quasi-rational understanding of this crap, realize that rsa corp. actually sells [04:30]
asciilifeform (theatre) [04:30]
decimation the mind reels [04:31]
asciilifeform man never really moved 'beyond' what archaeologists call 'sympathetic magic' (as in 'voodoo doll') [04:31]
mircea_popescu peterl yeah. [04:31]
asciilifeform eat the heart of a lion for courage, of hyena for endurance, etc. [04:31]
asciilifeform eat an rsa fob for seekoority. [04:31]
peterl anybody want to speculate: will MPIF be actively traded like MPOE, or will it be a snoozer like the other stocks on mpex? [04:31]
decimation even the supposed security priests tell the people this [04:32]
asciilifeform bon apetit. [04:32]
mircea_popescu dead goats swell up if submerged. [04:32]
asciilifeform pontoon! [04:32]
decimation DId you ever read Asimov's Foundation? The part about the tech-men? [04:32]
asciilifeform sure. [04:32]
mircea_popescu peterl kinda curious myself. [04:32]
decimation handle explains this stuff pretty well here [04:33]
ozbot Liberalism Schafft Sich Ab | Handle's Haus [04:33]
asciilifeform recently had occasion to meet herr handle, who wore his medals [04:34]
asciilifeform there was one with an md5 hash [04:34]
decimation heh I wish I could have met him in person. perhaps one day I shall [04:34]
asciilifeform (he lives not far away) [04:34]
mircea_popescu handle is a pretty good handle. [04:35]
decimation The Law Of Merited Impossibility is an epistemological construct governing the paradoxical way overclass opinion makers frame the discourse about the clash between religious liberty and gay civil rights. It is best summed up by the phrase, ?It?s a complete absurdity to believe that Christians will suffer a single thing from the expansion of gay rights, and boy, do they deserve what they?re going to get.? [04:35]
asciilifeform his tale, people were always saying to him 'get a fscking handle' [04:35]
asciilifeform so he... did. [04:35]
decimation It's not going to happen, and when it does, you people will deserve it. [04:36]
mircea_popescu how is "christians" a thing even. the us is mostly neoprotestants, [04:36]
mircea_popescu and the silliest sects too. [04:36]
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decimation Yes, read about the postmillenals some time [04:36]
decimation and the dispensationalists [04:36]
mircea_popescu these are christians in the sense penguins are awks. [04:37]
peterl self-identified christians ... reminds me of self-identified "investors" [04:37]
decimation One could argue that they are mostly in the "big tent (john 3:16)" but any of the ancient fathers would have turned them over to be flogged [04:37]
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artifexd Anyone in here actually use coinbr and would recommend it? [04:39]
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peterl I use coinbr [04:39]
asciilifeform flogged! hah, flayed. [04:39]
peterl seems to work nicely [04:39]
artifexd ;;gettrust peterl [04:39]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask peterl! Trust relationship from user artifexd to user peterl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014 [04:39]
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BingoBoingo artifexd: It's a nice thing for using MPEx as a consumer [04:39]
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decimation ascii did you evern meet that "nydwracu" guy in your DC travels? I think he went to college park [04:40]
asciilifeform decimation: sure. [04:40]
asciilifeform decimation: met him at a party once. [04:40]
decimation he is among the most impressive bloggers I have read [04:40]
asciilifeform decimation: i sorta got bored with the moldbugista folks [04:41]
artifexd The monthly fee bothered me until I realized that it would take over 130 years for that fee to equal the MPEx entry fee. [04:41]
decimation yeah, but he's among the few of them that has original thoughts [04:41]
asciilifeform decimation: they remind me of the soviet-era 'kitchen dissidents.' yeah, let's sit around and chat about how much brezhnev sucks. [04:42]
asciilifeform what a thrill. [04:42]
mircea_popescu decimation the way it works, as far as the orthodox tradition is concerned, catholicism is a bunch of ridiculous simplifications and barbaric nonsense. [04:43]
decimation I think you are doing more about the situation than most [04:43]
mircea_popescu you can imagine how calvinism looks [04:43]
peterl artifexed: and the mpex entry fee trends upward, while the coinbr fee trends downward [04:43]
mircea_popescu !up toddf [04:43]
asciilifeform decimation: i'm a believer in 'propaganda by the deed' [04:43]
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asciilifeform 'if not you then who, if not now, then when...' etc [04:43]
decimation as you have found, moldbug himself is extremely reluctant to take any action that might have second or third-order effects that displease USG [04:44]
artifexd peterl How does that work? The MPEx fee is/was/will be 30btc, right? Has the coinbr fee changed over time? [04:44]
mircea_popescu peterl given that theres so much info available about how the various pcs are doing, i imagine there should be some lively trading going on [04:44]
asciilifeform decimation: mr. m sold his arse to the vc circus [04:44]
asciilifeform so his opinions can no longer be regarded as his own [04:44]
peterl mpex fee startd at free, then it was 20, now 30. coinbr used to cost more per month [04:44]
asciilifeform sorta like losing sole control of one's priv key [04:44]
decimation yeah. haven't heard much about his little navy recently [04:44]
artifexd mircea_popescu: Do you expect to increase the fee again? [04:45]
asciilifeform it's still there, pumping valiantly to stay above waterline. [04:45]
mircea_popescu artifexd yes. [04:45]
asciilifeform i sold me moldboat for scrap iron, but still check on them occasionally. [04:45]
peterl mircea_popescu: having somebody actively market making for the fund should also encourage lively trading, I think [04:45]
mircea_popescu maybe yea [04:46]
decimation yeah I saw that. I think you profited on the deal [04:46]
asciilifeform lol [04:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00097617 = 12.3974 BTC [+] {2} [04:46]
decimation for a few days I entertained the idea of learning his crazy rune language [04:47]
decimation I realized that learning emacs/lisp/forth would be much more profitable [04:47]
asciilifeform i swallowed all of that crud whole, as it came out of the arse! who's gonna pay that back. [04:47]
asciilifeform but hey, cost of doing business. [04:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know the story of the woman and the soap ? [04:48]
asciilifeform ? [04:48]
mircea_popescu at this ranch in new mexico, a very old mexican man with a very young and incredibly slutty wife lived. [04:48]
decimation yeah one of the unfortunate features of modern electrical engineering is that you find you often invest your soul only to get chickenfeed in return [04:48]
mircea_popescu everyone fucked her, all the cowboys, all the farm hands... [04:48]
mircea_popescu one day the rancher takes the old guy aside and points out to him that the woman is a paragon of indiscretion, with all the discretion and awkward shyness you'd expect out of a true blue american. [04:49]
mircea_popescu the old man is a little amused. "so what of it ? you think cunt is made of soap, to run out with use ?" [04:49]
mircea_popescu heads are cunts, swallowing shit whole doesn't hurt them any, [04:50]
mircea_popescu provided the stuff finds its way out too. [04:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's a soviet variant, where the 'horned man', an old army officer, answers 'better to eat honey in company than - shit, by one's lonesome' [04:50]
decimation except, there are only so many minutes in one's life [04:50]
mircea_popescu decimation so you saving yours for later ? [04:50]
decimation that's a fair point [04:50]
mircea_popescu hehe i'm grateful for not having to explain it. [04:51]
decimation I guess it's better to have learned and lost than never to have known at all [04:51]
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asciilifeform at any rate, the hilariously funny bit about urbit is that mr. m wrote volumes condemning american academia, pseudo-mathematics in algorithmics, etc. - and then proceeded to crap out a widget emblematic of same. [04:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know, all women currently hated by their daughters for being insufferable [04:52]
mircea_popescu were daughters hating their mothers for being insufferable [04:52]
asciilifeform lol [04:52]
mircea_popescu and, of course, swearing to do so much better. [04:52]
mircea_popescu which was, obviously, quite an easy task, too. [04:52]
asciilifeform 'immutable data,' 'strong typing,' etc. - all crud invented by mathemasturbators in their efforts to pretend that they are proving theorems [04:53]
mircea_popescu it's only the insufferably devilish nature of the mothers that ruined it, otherwise being cool is straightforward. [04:53]
mircea_popescu "When people’s lives and careers are subject to litmus tests, and fired if they do not publicly renounce what may well be their sincere conviction, we have crossed a line. This is McCarthyism applied by civil actors. " [04:55]
mircea_popescu i recall this exact derpage published by... whatever, some libertard legal blog. [04:55]
mircea_popescu "o, speech has consequences". [04:55]
asciilifeform mr m & co got a few $mil from vc. i admit that i check back on these folks only in hope of being the first to see when they get sued by a 'diversity' werker for strong typing systems being sexist or whatnot. [04:55]
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mircea_popescu by the way, did you hear about the renaming of semesters at mit ? [04:56]
asciilifeform !? [04:56]
mircea_popescu turns out semesters are sexist [04:56]
mircea_popescu shall be ovesters henceforth. [04:56]
asciilifeform these folks have sailed over the 'parody horizon' long ago - anything's possible. [04:57]
asciilifeform laugh now - cry later [04:57]
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asciilifeform '1' is a phallic symbol! henceforth, only '0' is permitted. [04:58]
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mircea_popescu balanced ternary. because lezzies are 10x more likely to live threesomes than heterosexual scum [04:59]
pankkake unless you have a font with a slashed zero… [04:59]
mircea_popescu (.) and (|) will be the new digits. [04:59]
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decimation speaking of "diversity" worker: [05:02]
decimation "But as the campaign has gained national popularity, its detractors have bristled at the effort, calling it a politically correct war on words that will stifle free speech and suggesting its true aim is to redefine terms to control public opinion and ? ultimately ? public policy." [05:02]
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mod6 what's up thestringpuller [05:05]
mircea_popescu "It’s not going to happen, and when it does, you people will deserve it." [05:05]
mircea_popescu he means, of course, "It’s not going to happen, and when it does, you people will have deserved it." [05:05]
mircea_popescu why is grammar a lost art! [05:05]
decimation because students were insufficiently punished in school for using poor grammar [05:06]
decimation I actually quoted the above from this link: [05:06]
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* mircea_popescu feels so nice and cozy in his nicely built brick housy. just like a piggy [05:10]
decimation I think future historians will call this era "the golden age of mendacity" [05:10]
* BingoBoingo is simply happy the tornados spared this house today [05:10]
decimation in the US it is customary to make a house out of the cheapest materials available, on the smallest possible lot (to maximize the builder's profit) [05:11]
mircea_popescu ah, to be rich, and powerful, and say nigger faggot whenever one feels like. [05:11]
mircea_popescu you know... i may be the only one. [05:11]
BingoBoingo [05:12]
ozbot Donald Sterling racism: Why the Los Angeles Clippers need to boycott their next playoff game. [05:12]
mircea_popescu lol [05:12]
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mircea_popescu << i mean check out this shit. [05:12]
ozbot Liberalism Schafft Sich Ab | Handle's Haus [05:12]
mircea_popescu it's beyond contemptible. [05:12]
mircea_popescu "I think that this agreement, were it feasible, would benefit all concerned." [05:13]
mircea_popescu guy's simply managed to persuade me that he should indeed be lynched. [05:13]
decimation yeah I couldn't figure out wtf he was on about [05:14]
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mircea_popescu as you have found, moldbug himself is extremely reluctant to take any action that might have second or third-order effects that displease USG <<< that sorta thing. [05:15]
decimation "land of the free" indeed [05:15]
mircea_popescu in general by examining the reality in the field, rather than whatever naive theories of the eager teenagers, one dicovers the opressed generally deserve it. [05:15]
decimation most of the elite are busy binding the next generation while they fail to reproduce [05:16]
decimation at the heart of the progressive religion is a great desire to cut loose the straps that bind the devil [05:17]
decimation all in the name of freedom, liberation, and enlightenment [05:17]
mircea_popescu i kinda appreciate the sentiment tbh. let the devil be free. [05:18]
decimation well, there is certainly wisdom in giving people exactly what they want [05:18]
decimation as punishment [05:19]
mircea_popescu generally, devils are a lot more fun than the pompous idiots cutting them free. [05:19]
BingoBoingo Who really wants to go to heaven if you have to live like a Saint while there? [05:20]
mircea_popescu exactly. [05:20]
mircea_popescu course, this may be a bitch for anyone trying to raise children or you know, live the life of X. [05:20]
mircea_popescu but hey. life's supposed to be interesting not satisfactory. [05:20]
decimation your orthodox fathers would certainly endorse that sentiment [05:21]
mircea_popescu moreover, all this obsessive, controlling shit... [05:22]
mircea_popescu humans are supposed to watch half their litter impaled before their very eyes, not to pester them to death with vaporub. [05:22]
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mircea_popescu in short, things are going well, for any natural definition of "well". [05:23]
asciilifeform in the words of a recent u.s. presidential candidate, 'don't impeach - impale.' [05:24]
decimation there is no doubt that the west suffers because of its freedom from want [05:24]
BingoBoingo decimation: Not freedom from want, freedom from intelligible want. [05:26]
decimation well, I mean "want" as in "want of the actual necessities of life" [05:27]
mircea_popescu yeah i was thinking, they want aplenty, it's just they never actually confront it. [05:27]
mircea_popescu this pretense of wantlessness is lulzy. [05:27]
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mircea_popescu decimation yes. actual necessities. such as food, as opposed to fast food. [05:28]
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mircea_popescu such as living space as opposed to... whatever. [05:28]
mircea_popescu < there. health care. [05:29]
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asciilifeform 'eat recycled food. it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' [05:30]
mircea_popescu i actually talked it over with a couple of people over lunch. it's our considered opinion that the difference between the us and the ro health care systems can be distilled in one very simple point : [05:30]
mircea_popescu romania does not admit tort proceedings for unrealised damages. [05:31]
mircea_popescu that's it. [05:31]
asciilifeform [05:31]
ozbot Eat recycled food for a happier healthier life --- (Judge Dredd movie) -watch stoned - YouTube [05:31]
mircea_popescu unless you can bring a bill of sale showing your eye is worth $100, you can't get $100 for your eye. and that's that. [05:31]
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decimation yeah the "insurance" doctors in the us must carry against unrealized damage claims is an incredible tax [05:31]
mircea_popescu amusingly, it has exactly zero to do with doctors, hospitals or budgets. [05:31]
mircea_popescu which is why the entire mess is so difficult to fix : like one of those old products of mad artisanry, nothing works as intended, everything's tied up in unrelated parts. [05:32]
mircea_popescu if the us were a program, it'd be discarded as unmaintainable. [05:32]
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decimation health care: any arrangement with a corporation in which you send money to them monthly and they sent you a brochure at the beginning, but may or may not pay you anything in return; e.g. ?With Obamacare at least I have health care? [05:33]
ozbot Corrective glossary | Rhymes With Cars & Girls [05:33]
asciilifeform paging herr orlov, [05:33]
asciilifeform [05:33]
ozbot ClubOrlov: Hunger Insurance [05:33]
mircea_popescu such a stupid name, too. where were all the branding experts ? [05:33]
mircea_popescu it'll turn into "obama doesn't care" in short order. [05:34]
mircea_popescu why expose yourself so. i'd have never ok'd that stupid shit. [05:34]
mircea_popescu i'll make mpex and mpif, not mpcare. [05:34]
decimation "healthcare (alt.): birth-control pills and/or rubbers" [05:34]
BingoBoingo The complexity of healthcare billing in the US adds a whole new layer of hell. [05:35]
mircea_popescu "To be perfectly honest, those jobs are reserved for my children, but yours might still be able to find work as their personal bathroom assistants, if they are docile and pretty... let's pretend you didn't hear that." [05:37]
mircea_popescu is this supposed to be some sort of dirty secret or something ? [05:37]
mircea_popescu obviously. docile and pretty or starve. what of it. [05:37]
decimation there is little doubt that the Augean Stables of the west are piled with mountains of horse shit. who is going to wash them clean? [05:38]
mircea_popescu decimation james guy, quoted earlier. [05:38]
mircea_popescu anyway, enough philosophy for one night. later all! [05:40]
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jurov morning mircea [13:05]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: guten Tag [13:06]
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mircea_popescu hey! [13:06]
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fluffypony Ce mai faci? [13:06]
mircea_popescu bine! [13:06]
mircea_popescu tu ce mai faci ? [13:07]
fluffypony Mulţumesc, bine [13:07]
mircea_popescu o hey look at that, special chars. [13:07]
mircea_popescu did you set up a ro kbd just to impress me ? [13:08]
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fluffypony lol [13:08]
fluffypony cut-and-paste from a Romanian phrasebook [13:08]
fluffypony much easier [13:08]
fluffypony the pronunciation is trippy compared to Italian [13:09]
fluffypony except Salut, which is pretty universal ;) [13:09]
mircea_popescu yea. [13:09]
mircea_popescu consulem romanorum regii Pyrrhi salutem [13:11]
mircea_popescu what's that say ? [13:11]
* fluffypony consults the phrase book [13:11]
mircea_popescu lol [13:12]
mircea_popescu i doubt the web has reached that deep into the classical antiquity yet/ [13:12]
fluffypony Romanian looks more like Latin than Italian does [13:12]
BingoBoingo It's latin.. [13:13]
fluffypony oh [13:13]
fluffypony well there you go [13:13]
fluffypony no wonder the Romanian phrasebook wasn't helping me [13:13]
mircea_popescu lol [13:13]
mircea_popescu well it does salut in it, which is pretty universal. and orbiversal. [13:14]
mircea_popescu (this is a joke. based on "urbi et orbi", literally "to the town and to the globe") [13:14]
fluffypony lol [13:14]
fluffypony you literally broke my brain [13:14]
mircea_popescu you're numerically welcome. [13:15]
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fluffypony literally hitler [13:15]
fluffypony hmmmmm...numerically hitler would be interesting [13:15]
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mircea_popescu benkay: [13:18]
mircea_popescu "unrealized damages" that is to say 'my eyesight was worth 100B, but now i have no eyes, therefore pay me 100B'? << exactly. [13:18]
mircea_popescu decimation: sounds like bureau-speak for "we hire idiots and they produce nothing" << bounce disagrees, argue with him, i'd like to watch. ty both :) [13:19]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: folks expecting to play 'doom' on cardano will be disappointed. << you know back i nthe day one way to make the old impossible amiga games playable was to downclock the damned things [13:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: decimation: no oven. space constraints. perhaps in new flat. << you know stan, i hear 500 bucks buys one quite a few acres of open land in patagonia. and since it never rains... don't even really need a roof. [13:27]
mircea_popescu build a succession of spacious yurts. [13:27]
mircea_popescu i suspect this would be the ideal living arrangement for the true hardware engineer : much like a silkworm's. built a yurt roughly 10 body lengths in diameter, fill it with material slower. [13:28]
mircea_popescu when full, build a new one a little off, carry whatever pieces of the old one you wish. [13:28]
mircea_popescu keep doing this. at any point you want something from the oild yurts, just go drag it to the current one. (never ever move stuff back tho, only forward) [13:29]
mircea_popescu there's probably a yurting period one could observe over the duration of his life, if he had the freedom do live in a manner adequate to his own manner. [13:29]
mircea_popescu you could have a million acres dedicated to this, like a sort of modern silicon valley / smarts farm. each accepted person gets his own line. [13:30]
mircea_popescu see who gets the furthest. "bob is so much further ahead of me" finally means something, geographically. etc. [13:30]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: that makes me a sad panda << you can take solace in the knowledge that the thing is complete bs. [13:32]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: but lots of people are obviously still on slow connections, which drags the average down << nope. you can't currently get anything under 100mbps even if you want to pay specifically for it. it's just not economical to maintain the old stuff. [13:33]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: our Internet is shitty tho [13:33]
mircea_popescu that it may be yea [13:33]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: that's bizarre << now you understand romania. [13:35]
fluffypony lol [13:35]
mircea_popescu BohemianHacks: Pretty much, I tend to switch distros and clean up my harddrive tons << either that, or tend to try and social engineer off old dormant cool sounding nicks. [13:36]
mircea_popescu BohemianHacks: So you like mpex over cryptostocks? << lol ok this shit's epic. [13:37]
mircea_popescu one day i'll understand how it works. [13:37]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: nickserv says otherwise [13:37]
fluffypony and his github [13:38]
mircea_popescu fluffypony nickserv is not authoritative. freenode gives away names and chans that were abandoined. [13:38]
mircea_popescu you just have to ask. [13:38]
mircea_popescu what's his github say ? [13:38]
fluffypony I know, but then the registration info changes [13:38]
fluffypony because they drop the nick [13:38]
fluffypony and let you register it [13:38]
mircea_popescu this is a point actually. [13:39]
fluffypony [13:39]
mircea_popescu fluffypony but that is the github of someone named thus. [13:40]
mircea_popescu you understand ? identity is a flimsy beast. [13:40]
fluffypony I do [13:40]
mircea_popescu good cause i think many people don't. to judge by the banks etc at least. [13:41]
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fluffypony which is why losing your privkeys generally == identity suicide [13:41]
fluffypony I think we're talking in his absence - [11:32:06] <+BohemianHacks> Thanks jurov, im actually about to get to work though :D [13:41]
mircea_popescu BohemianHacks so i'm very curious, how did you proceed to come to the idea that mpex and cryptostocks are in any sense tyhe same thing, or in any way comparable ? [13:41]
mircea_popescu fluffypony well maybe he gets through the logs. [13:42]
fluffypony tru dat [13:42]
BohemianHacks because they are both coin investment platforms, thats pretty similar [13:42]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I invited him in here as he was expressing an interest in investing in crypto-based stocks [13:42]
BohemianHacks a quick google puts them in the same group, so its not like that is wildly off base [13:42]
fluffypony thought it best for him to get some proper info :) [13:42]
mircea_popescu so in the sense of "stuff to do with bitcoin" ? [13:43]
BohemianHacks no, you are investing your coin in the hope to get a return [13:43]
BohemianHacks lotteries, stocks, funds [13:43]
BohemianHacks all fall under that umbrella [13:43]
mircea_popescu but you can't invest in a lottery. [13:43]
mircea_popescu i guess there's the disconnect. aite. [13:43]
BohemianHacks sure you can, its a poor one but you can [13:43]
BohemianHacks buying 1000 lottery tickets usually wont pay out, but its an investment to some people [13:44]
mircea_popescu this poor word invest. it happens to be a term of art in finance, of course, but it's been (recently, since the internet) been coopted as a colloquialism [13:44]
BohemianHacks "expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture." [13:44]
mircea_popescu BohemianHacks you can't, for the following reason : in order for something t obe an investment, it requires two things. a) that you've done research and b) that the research indicates +EV. [13:44]
BohemianHacks no thats just good investing [13:45]
mircea_popescu now, lotteries fail on b. and if you're not aware of this, it fails on a. [13:45]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I think the word has been coopted by the Jimmothy School of Smart Investmenting [13:45]
mircea_popescu well sure, i guess in the sense of, "good dentistry" is what happens at the dentist's office, and plain dentistry is what happens at the bare [13:46]
mircea_popescu once the punches start flrying [13:46]
mircea_popescu bar* [13:46]
BohemianHacks No as in the definition of the word [13:46]
mircea_popescu the "definition of the word" according to whom ? [13:46]
BohemianHacks "the profession or science dealing with the prevention and treatment of diseases and malformations of the teeth, gums, and oral cavity, and the removal, correction, and replacement of decayed, damaged, or lost parts, including such operations as the filling and crowning of teeth, the straightening of teeth, and the construction of artificial dentures. " [13:47]
BohemianHacks dentistry ^ [13:47]
BohemianHacks the dictionary dude, we have these things for a reason [13:47]
BohemianHacks "expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture." [13:47]
BohemianHacks ^invest [13:47]
mircea_popescu "the dictionary" is meaningless. [13:48]
mircea_popescu "we" similarly. [13:48]
mircea_popescu did you mean a webpage somewhere ? [13:48]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: don't be too pedantic with the newbies :-P [13:48]
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mircea_popescu anyway, to continue the saga of the poor word "invest" : originally, it denoted the act of comitting your army to a siege. which was, expensive and dangerous a proceeding. [13:49]
BohemianHacks meh, this is a waste of time. I get you are trying to prove a point about safe investing, but thats the definition of the word. Buying tons of lotto tickets is dumb, but it IS investing. [13:49]
mircea_popescu then the merchants stole it, because at the time the only thing the town merchant feared was the soldier, so he wanted to steal his stuff. [13:49]
mircea_popescu similarly today, the only thing the city poor / welfare bunnies fear is the 19th century capitalist [13:49]
mircea_popescu and so... [13:49]
mircea_popescu BohemianHacks im not trying to prove anything really, i'm just exploring where exactly we differ. [13:50]
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mircea_popescu i don't know you well enough yet to actually care what you think for its own sake. [13:50]
BohemianHacks Same :D [13:50]
mircea_popescu fluffypony yeah, i just maxed the pedantry scale did i ? [13:50]
mircea_popescu .bait [13:50]
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fluffypony lawlz [13:50]
punkman Buying tons of lotto tickets is dumb, but it IS investing. <- it "feels" like investing to a lot of people, it's all about "feelings" [13:51]
mircea_popescu meh shitty bait ozzie. how am i to restore world balance thus ? [13:51]
mircea_popescu .bait [13:51]
ozbot [13:51]
mircea_popescu punkman pretty much. just like webpages "feel" like dictionaries. [13:51]
mircea_popescu culture world problems. [13:51]
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punkman like NeoBee "felt" it was a good idea to "invest" in excessive advertising [13:52]
BohemianHacks You guys are entertaining. [13:53]
mircea_popescu punkman im still waiting for the psychanalist to go into massive bitcoin exploratory expedxitions. [13:53]
mircea_popescu been trying to lure some but to little awail so far. [13:53]
mircea_popescu BohemianHacks you aware what the best description of this chan is, according to chan consensus so far ? [13:53]
fluffypony punkman: buy ALL of the advertizings. ALL of it. [13:54]
BohemianHacks so far it seems false etymology [13:54]
mircea_popescu wait, what ?! [13:54]
mircea_popescu ignorant ~and~ arrogant ?! [13:54]
BohemianHacks Clearly im the arrogant one here. [13:55]
punkman I like mp's definition better than the dictionary [13:55]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: except it wasn't the dude that started/owned Dragon's Tale << that was a riot. tepi's face lol. [13:55]
fluffypony I can imagine [13:56]
mircea_popescu i think this Wywiał guy may be on track to write more than me. [13:57]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell numeristrade you ever considered starting a blog ? [13:57]
gribble The operation succeeded. [13:57]
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mircea_popescu so apparently teh chinese just demolished a pretty old church. this thing [14:00]
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mircea_popescu BohemianHacks: after you turn 18 cyber crime risk out weighs the reward, even if your morals dont stop you << well, my curiosity continues. how did you compute that ? [14:02]
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mircea_popescu Naphex: you could just use google pub dns servers, and place some trust on them, they support dnssec << myeah. some people learned the hard way why not trust linode. it cost them 40k btc or so, linode offered a half-apology and $50 in vouchers. [14:04]
BohemianHacks You are asking for a computation on a subjective matter, good luck getting real numbers. [14:04]
mircea_popescu same principle. don't use a public service of a large provider that has the power to survive you in the market. [14:04]
mircea_popescu BohemianHacks it would seem you made an objective statement, but perhaps we're stuck on different language spaces again. [14:05]
BohemianHacks I was talking about myself and failure to see that is entirely on you. [14:05]
BohemianHacks part of the risk involved with any crime is loss of freedom, the value of the is completely subjective [14:07]
BohemianHacks so if you can't see that anything dealing with that topic would be subjective, I can't really help you. [14:07]
mircea_popescu i c. [14:07]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: looks like it comes up every year and nobody runs with it << because it's a fucking stupid idea. [14:08]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: elaborate plx [14:09]
mircea_popescu on one hand, having a third party involved in any bitcoin transaction, in any way, is breaking the protocol. on the other hand, the pki/dns infrastructure is beyond rotten. tying it into any sort of live project is like taking a spleen off a rotting cadaver and putting it into someone's gut. [14:10]
fluffypony but you can check directly with the NS for the domain? [14:10]
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mircea_popescu how do you check ? [14:11]
fluffypony whois [14:11]
mircea_popescu that ain't "directly". [14:11]
fluffypony fair enough, I get your point [14:11]
mircea_popescu aite. [14:11]
fluffypony ok so then the problem is that you have to communicate addresses somehow [14:12]
fluffypony phone / email / whatever [14:12]
mircea_popescu gpg signed works. [14:12]
fluffypony so everything is open to interception and breakage, to a greater or lesser degree [14:12]
mircea_popescu i mean it's not like the problem doesn't have a perfect solution alreayd. [14:12]
fluffypony yeah [14:12]
mircea_popescu it's just that some [mostly irrelevant] people have decided they don't want to apply the solutionb. [14:12]
mircea_popescu because "dictionary" or whatever. which is fine, but also, killing them is the general goal of entropy. [14:13]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: the problem is we come full circle back to the adoption problem - as much as you want to keep Bitcoin in the hands of the techno-competent, it is going to spread, and the n00bs are going to need n00bish solutions because they aren't going to learn to use GPG no matter how often people get hacked / lose money [14:14]
mircea_popescu perfect. [14:15]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is limtied in supply, soon enough all the noobies will have no bitcoin at all, and problem solved. [14:15]
mircea_popescu i honestly believe that from here to bitcoin being 50mn a piece, this channel will not nor needs not over 1k people active. [14:16]
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mircea_popescu then everyone can move on to doge or maxcoin or w/e scam du jour, much more adequate for their needs and abilities, [14:17]
mircea_popescu and then wonder why is bitcoin so expensive since "nobody" buys it or holds it ? [14:17]
mircea_popescu much like they wonder about mpoe atm. [14:17]
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Jacobite hi mircea enjoy reading your website. [14:18]
mircea_popescu hello. [14:18]
jurov sooo why the bitcoin-assets donation addy isn't gpg signed? haaa? [14:19]
cazalla 50mn, surely you jest? [14:20]
mircea_popescu jurov we probably should blame lampelina ? [14:20]
mircea_popescu cazalla why ? [14:20]
jurov lol poor lampelina [14:20]
cazalla mircea_popescu: it's just an obscene amount of money, on what sorta time line does it reach that price? [14:22]
Curious_George man i feel so n00bish listening to this discussion. but i'm trying to learn, So... what is GPG [14:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+] [14:22]
mircea_popescu !up Curious_George [14:22]
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jurov anyway. i'll publish coinbr deposit address signed by [14:22]
mircea_popescu gpg is a gnu implementation of pgp, which is the original public key cryptoi system [14:22]
Curious_George i expect alot of facepaloming i know [14:22]
Curious_George *face palming [14:23]
jurov what's to stop anyone to publishing say, and doing mitm anyway? [14:23]
mircea_popescu jurov your address is in the wot. [14:23]
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cazalla it's not as difficult to understand as you think Curious_George as if I can grasp it, surely anyone can [14:23]
VanCleef thanks [14:23]
mircea_popescu cazalla btw, weren't you doing affiliate marketing for a living ? [14:23]
VanCleef why is it like this btw? [14:23]
mircea_popescu VanCleef [14:24]
cazalla mircea_popescu: amongst other things (domaining, seo blah blah) but not for some years now [14:24]
mircea_popescu also you should blame kako. i only accept congratulations. and cookies. [14:24]
mircea_popescu cazalla aok. [14:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [14:24]
Curious_George yeah i don't know cryptography so GPG, PGP and GNU implementation are over my head [14:25]
mircea_popescu Curious_George what os you run ? windows ? [14:25]
Curious_George yeah thats how simple i am [14:26]
fluffypony mircea_popescu, moiety: [14:26]
mircea_popescu aite, so what was pgp for windows, kleopatra something ? [14:26]
VanCleef ok i still don't get it but thanks for the ups [14:26]
fluffypony we should do that thang [14:26]
mircea_popescu VanCleef well so ask a q ? [14:26]
mircea_popescu fluffypony what happened on the upper side there [14:26]
fluffypony oh [14:26]
fluffypony got clipped [14:27]
mircea_popescu Curious_George there, you can dld that thing play around with it see what it does. [14:27]
cazalla mircea_popescu: does that make me marketing scum? [14:28]
jurov mircea_popescu: how is the appeal onto nanotube's wot website different from running whois? [14:28]
mircea_popescu cazalla no i was just looking for someone with a lot of aff marketing exp. [14:28]
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mircea_popescu jurov for me, that nanotube i trust. in general, that there exist no documented cases of a hijack. [14:29]
VanCleef hmm i cant see the SF2 IPO being filled anytime soon [14:29]
mircea_popescu more importantly, that his ability to absorb scandal is nil. all it takes is one single merchant attacked by him providing fake ids to someone and that's the end. [14:31]
jurov but he can be hacked.. i'd trust it fully *if* rating consisted of signing the recipient's gpg addy [14:31]
jurov than it would not be so much reliant on nanotube [14:31]
mircea_popescu jurov afaik he has been working (for the past two years) towards a distributed system [14:31]
mircea_popescu which wouldn't be a bad idea in any sense. [14:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.52 = 7.8 BTC [+] [14:32]
jurov such long time development very likely means it will be convoluted.. [14:34]
mircea_popescu jurov: i guess they shorting was "omitted" from mastercoin protocol << lol. because anyone can do anything they set their mind to. including design of stuff they never used irl. [14:34]
mircea_popescu jurov either that or the man is doing a phd. [14:34]
jurov nanotube, why you can't for now just add a column to the database and a way to put signature(rating,message) there? [14:34]
mircea_popescu anyway, a p2p cryptographically secure wot is a good project for someone competent an' ambitious. good way to get on my wot list at any rate. [14:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.52 = 6.76 BTC [+] [14:37]
punkman mircea_popescu: how would that btc clickbank you mentioned work? surely not a marketplace for crappy infoproducts [14:37]
fluffypony mircea_popescu, moiety: updated [14:37]
mircea_popescu punkman if i had any idea how to make it so it doesn't suck i'd be looking for it people not domain experts. [14:38]
mircea_popescu but alas... [14:38]
Naphex ok.. [14:39]
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Naphex so here is a working version of what i talked about earlier [14:39]
Naphex # host -t txt [14:39]
punkman mircea_popescu: I'll give it some thought then, I have like 9-10 years of experience in aff things [14:39]
Naphex descriptive text "v:btc1 addr:12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu signature:IGnKD8UQ5/AaWadgGc3aIQ5q9EmgxuF+Vw+F4SSYkB9R+TAVzvnDq+fTZql08JEWrRLlTCReF3lTQAtea66zv5A=" [14:39]
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mircea_popescu punkman where did yo uwork ? doing what ? [14:40]
Naphex signature includes DNSSEC KSK key [14:40]
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Naphex # host -t dnskey [14:40]
Naphex DNSKEY record 257 3 13 hTj/xt+OErAHwCrCY7LKmkO9HhS4RG9c4yW2gowo8I2dwCGRkpbLE1b6 BJrA+4TGJcbdKfFWoT7dpK/zJPzgIg== [14:40]
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punkman mircea_popescu: just selling other people's stuff, using a lot of these marketplaces and networks and whatnot [14:40]
Naphex and all records are signed [14:40]
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fluffypony BitNews responded to the points I raised re: their SeedCoin II fundraising - - "Thank you for your feedback. We’ll take your comments on board and carry on! Don’t stay tuned for now. We’ll keep you posted when appropriate." [14:40]
mircea_popescu fluffypony lmao the ineptitude. [14:41]
mircea_popescu punkman a, i c. well, can't hurt. [14:41]
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mircea_popescu Naphex what happens if i replace both records ? [14:41]
Naphex you should be validating requests before, so if you mitm the serv requests would fail [14:42]
Naphex ideally you could just save the KSK [14:42]
Naphex and trust it [14:42]
Naphex creating a dns alias would go like this 1.get your server's pub ksk, 2. sign message of domain dnssec-ksk, 3. add record containing issuer [14:44]
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fluffypony TagPesa responded well to my criticisms. I actually hope they accomplish what they want to in spite of their involvement with SeedScam. [14:48]
VanCleef never trust an aussie [14:49]
VanCleef they've been behind so many bitcoin scams [14:49]
fluffypony VanCleef: well I won't be plugging any funds into SeedCoin, but I do think that the TagPesa guy at least has some idea of what he's doing [14:50]
Naphex dig output, with dnssec [14:50]
ozbot # dig +dnssec +multi txt - [14:50]
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fluffypony unfortunately like most startups they're hungry for investment so they can get going [14:50]
fluffypony which leads to deals with "incubators" [14:50]
jurov lol pankkake your reputation is ahead of you [14:50]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [14:50]
ozbot Accounting for the Amazing Company. The Bitcointalk standard. : Bitcoin [14:50]
VanCleef hmmm [14:50]
cazalla VanCleef: yeah, we have a reputation for that : [14:51]
fluffypony pankkake is "Popescu's co-troll"? I didn't know it was a shared position [14:51]
fluffypony how do I apply to be part of the Troll Board? [14:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16967 @ 0.00097388 = 16.5238 BTC [-] {2} [14:52]
VanCleef plz reup me [14:53]
VanCleef when its over [14:53]
jurov you are already, and i hereby anoint you to the Most Noble MPEx Trolls Order [14:53]
fluffypony yay [14:53]
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VanCleef thanks bud [14:55]
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mircea_popescu Naphex im sure, validate requests before what ? [15:00]
mircea_popescu o look at that, pankkake we're cotrolls now. [15:01]
mircea_popescu i wonder what that means. [15:01]
mircea_popescu and i wonder if sukrim ever sat down and calculated how much he has lost to date, since his derpy "hai i r glbse investoar" days. [15:02]
mircea_popescu it must be over 99%, but i'm curious if it's more like 99.99% or what. [15:02]
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Naphex mircea_popescu: so the zonefile is signed, pub key published. addresses sign domain alias and domain pub key. alias gets published [15:03]
Naphex if you want to verify if the certian address was authenticated, you can [15:03]
mircea_popescu published where ? [15:03]
Naphex DNS [15:04]
mircea_popescu so i'm dns, i replace all of them. [15:06]
Naphex if you don't resign the zone, it's invalid [15:06]
Naphex by whichever dns resolves it [15:06]
mircea_popescu where does client acquire signature ? [15:07]
mircea_popescu i mean, pubkey ? [15:07]
Naphex pub key directory, from service site, or from dns [15:08]
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Naphex 1 way, # host -t dnskey [15:10]
Naphex has DNSKEY record 257 3 13 hTj/xt+OErAHwCrCY7LKmkO9HhS4RG9c4yW2gowo8I2dwCGRkpbLE1b6 BJrA+4TGJcbdKfFWoT7dpK/zJPzgIg== [15:10]
Naphex and now they can just get it from bitcoin-assets log [15:10]
mircea_popescu so from dns. [15:10]
mircea_popescu well yes, now they can, because you've leveraged the public forum to strengthen the wot. [15:11]
mircea_popescu but my point is narrower : that no wot can stand on its own. one of the manyt reasons pki is broken by design, not the most visible one but quite fundamental. [15:11]
mircea_popescu and it also goes to jurov's q as to the diff between pki and nanowot. [15:11]
Naphex just meant to be viable [15:11]
Naphex i.e if you an send to [15:12]
Naphex and you keep your own dns, your own zonefile [15:12]
Naphex and the datavalidates, it can easily show green on a client [15:12]
Naphex green - for full check, approved key [15:12]
Naphex yellow for whatever, and other color codes [15:12]
mircea_popescu what's color codes to do with anything tho ? [15:13]
mircea_popescu i couldn't need a dns less : you know where to send funds becasuse yu get a gpg signed deposit slip. [15:13]
mircea_popescu dns serves no useful purpose for mpex. [15:13]
Naphex color codes - for clients that maybe want to implement name2address resolve [15:15]
Naphex type the name instead of the address, color that input bar on the security of the answer [15:16]
mircea_popescu you're a very ux minded fellow aren't you. [15:20]
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Naphex lol not at all [15:22]
Naphex but if you get a shitty response, or at mitm'd something should be displayed [15:22]
Apocalyptic you're a very ux minded fellow aren't you. // I concur [15:23]
mircea_popescu not like it's a bad thing. [15:24]
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Apocalyptic I should hire him to do some ux improvements for x-bt [15:24]
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mircea_popescu i think his current owner may track you down and shoot you if you do that. [15:24]
Apocalyptic noted [15:25]
Naphex lol [15:26]
Naphex Owner? - sounds like SS did a bad job;] [15:34]
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mircea_popescu Naphex hehe [15:48]
mircea_popescu !up Dimsler [15:52]
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Dimsler man i can't believe how expensive eastern europe got [15:52]
Dimsler its like west germany prices for everything [15:52]
mircea_popescu yeah. [15:52]
mircea_popescu it's crazy. [15:53]
Dimsler but with shitty infrastructure and inconvenience [15:53]
Dimsler just bought some pairs of under [15:53]
Dimsler $11usd a pair [15:53]
Dimsler crazy to the max [15:53]
Dimsler because my land scapper still works for $3 an hour [15:54]
Dimsler i have no idea how the locals are affording things at this point [15:54]
mircea_popescu me either. [15:54]
mircea_popescu gas right ? it's like 10 dollars a liter. [15:54]
Dimsler yeah i know [15:54]
mircea_popescu yet there's people driving around. how the fuck, their min wage is 1.25 an hour [15:54]
Dimsler i filled up in stuttgart before leaving for krakow [15:54]
jurov gas? where? [15:55]
Dimsler and it was 200euro fill up [15:55]
mircea_popescu work 8 hours to the liter ? wtf. [15:55]
Dimsler yes [15:55]
mircea_popescu but yet they drive. it's beyond me. [15:55]
jurov here's $2.5 a liter, and it's one of most expansive [15:55]
Dimsler yes no idea [15:55]
Dimsler italy is most expensive [15:55]
mircea_popescu jurov sorry i meant gallon [15:55]
mircea_popescu it's like 2.5 a liter, which comes to about 10 a gallon [15:55]
Dimsler well i mean DE has no min wage [15:56]
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Dimsler i would have assumed btc adoption in eastern europe woul dhave been easy [15:57]
Dimsler since everyone is already cheating taxes to the max [15:57]
Dimsler but it looks like many are quite apprehensive [15:57]
mircea_popescu because they've also been scammed to the max. [15:57]
Dimsler yes [15:57]
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Dimsler the instant rebuttle i get here [15:57]
Dimsler is the amway pyramid scheme [15:57]
Dimsler soon as i mention btc [15:57]
mircea_popescu Dimsler i have people following me on twitter that still derp about how it's a scam or w/e. [15:58]
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Dimsler well i mean who cares if its a scam or not [15:59]
Dimsler if you're using it to trasnfer money [15:59]
Dimsler like you can make claims if its a scam or not if you plan on settling up in btc [15:59]
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mircea_popescu it's very strange, the same sort of partial thinking keeps people inside the grinder in, on both ends. [16:00]
mircea_popescu forum "investors" keep investing, fiat consumers keep fiating... it's uncanny. [16:00]
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Dimsler need to focus on criminals [16:01]
Dimsler they are the most important element [16:01]
Dimsler lets be realisitc [16:01]
Dimsler who were the first people to use cars? [16:02]
mircea_popescu hm ? [16:02]
Dimsler bank robbers [16:02]
mircea_popescu that's not true in any sense. [16:02]
Dimsler yes it is [16:02]
mircea_popescu the first people to use cars were the rich. [16:02]
Dimsler last 8-9 months of btc run up [16:02]
mircea_popescu the same people who do yachting competitions. [16:02]
Dimsler has been carders [16:02]
Dimsler drug dealers [16:02]
mircea_popescu eh get out. [16:02]
Dimsler online criminal [16:02]
mircea_popescu that's such nonsense. [16:02]
Dimsler lol have you not watched the bitcoin atm news cast? [16:03]
Dimsler there was an old lady standing inline [16:03]
Dimsler they asked her why she was buying bitcoins [16:03]
mircea_popescu anecdotes are worth about five satoshi each. get a million, maybe it matters. [16:03]
Dimsler and she told everyone it was to unlock her family photos on her computer [16:03]
Dimsler lol [16:03]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, the same sort of bullshit was being peddled about silkroad [16:03]
mircea_popescu oh, bitcoin is based on silkroad. [16:03]
mircea_popescu and then... silkroad went away... nobody noticed. [16:03]
Naphex total bullshit [16:04]
mircea_popescu criminals don't matter here for the same reason they don't matter irl. if they had any sense they'd find better use of their time. [16:04]
Naphex now i know where all the bad looks come from, ever since i bought a new car [16:04]
Dimsler then where are the instritional investors then? [16:04]
mircea_popescu petty crime is perhaps (with the exception of an academic career) the worst fucking choice someone could make [16:04]
mircea_popescu Dimsler apparently nowhere in your horizon. [16:04]
mircea_popescu or, for that matter, in the horizon of the conference derps. [16:05]
mircea_popescu why's this surprising to anyone (other than those derps) is beyond me. [16:05]
Dimsler conference derps are losers [16:05]
Dimsler they believe bitcoin is going to grow [16:05]
Dimsler with a bunch of nerrds [16:05]
Dimsler buying $100 [16:05]
Dimsler and holding it [16:05]
Dimsler worth [16:05]
mircea_popescu well what's the problem wit hthat ? [16:05]
Dimsler the fact that those people are just noise [16:06]
Dimsler they don't add any value [16:06]
mircea_popescu who knows, maybe among them are some who can add value, and will. [16:06]
kakobrekla > You are a rude bastard. No wonder I smelt a rat. If Your attitude is an example of your support You will not have many happy customers. Glad I emailed you. Saved me a lot of trouble. [16:06]
Dimsler in what sense? [16:06]
Dimsler be remaking technology to support bitcoin [16:06]
Dimsler and calling it new and fresh? [16:06]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla what'd you say ? [16:06]
kakobrekla the emails i get. [16:07]
mircea_popescu Dimsler some make their way here and then contribute significantly. [16:07]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yea but what did you say to get that email ? "hello" ? [16:07]
Dimsler need more criminals [16:07]
Dimsler utilizing he system [16:07]
Dimsler criminals, outliers, [16:07]
Dimsler these are the people who will et btc grow [16:07]
Dimsler tax cheats [16:07]
fluffypony porn sites need it [16:07]
Dimsler oh yes [16:07]
Dimsler porn gambling [16:07]
kakobrekla well, not to go into full detail, but my previous email did include: > I am a member of local cheese making club, I am interested in free cake and no taxes. [16:08]
Dimsler the conference derps don't understand that they get paid in fiat [16:08]
Dimsler pay taxes in fiat [16:08]
mircea_popescu lol. [16:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: build a succession of spacious yurts... when full, build a new one a little off, carry whatever pieces of the old << this is 'cheney's algorithm' for semispace garbage collection. i've always wanted to implement it in meatspace. [16:08]
Dimsler and settle in fiat [16:08]
mircea_popescu GEORGE: Look at these salesmen. The only thing these guys fear is the walk-out. No matter what they say, you say, "I’ll walk out of here right now!" [16:08]
mircea_popescu (A salesman approaches) [16:08]
mircea_popescu SALESMAN: Can I help you with something? [16:08]
mircea_popescu GEORGE: (Threatening) Hold it! One more step and we’re walkin’! [16:08]
mircea_popescu JERRY: (Scolding) George. (To salesman) Sorry, we’re just waiting for David Puddy. [16:08]
mircea_popescu GEORGE: (Still with a tone) He is. You don’t know what I’m doin’ here. [16:08]
kakobrekla so i dunno what confused him. [16:08]
fluffypony kakobrekla: lol, isn't customer service fun? [16:08]
Dimsler lol that was a good episode [16:08]
Dimsler was that when they were buying the saab? [16:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i know. i think it's a neat idea. if i ever make a tech park, that's how i'll run it. [16:09]
mircea_popescu Dimsler yea [16:09]
Dimsler lol [16:10]
Dimsler ate georges twix [16:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03446977 = 0.1379 BTC [+] {2} [16:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 500 bucks ... open land in patagonia << once i crack the puzzle of what to eat - and where to plug in - at patagonia (or timisoara, or antarctica, or mars) - there i'll be. [16:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03950008 = 0.3555 BTC [-] {2} [16:12]
mircea_popescu < i must say i fucking love that response. [16:12]
ozbot A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [16:12]
kakobrekla fluffypony very. [16:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ideally, esp in patagonia (or mongolia) we could have a specially trained pack of hunting women. [16:12]
mircea_popescu they spend their day horseriding and shooting everything that moves. [16:13]
asciilifeform or of... colocolos [16:13]
mircea_popescu nah. [16:13]
asciilifeform 'desktop sized' cats have been trained to bring back hares, etc. before. [16:13]
Dimsler yeah [16:14]
mircea_popescu this is like the people who spend 5 years to train their dog to get their newspaper. [16:14]
Dimsler but gold <> money [16:14]
mircea_popescu getting all the newspapers in a lifetime doesn't take an aggregate of 5 years. [16:14]
asciilifeform lol sounds like an argument against perl. [16:14]
mircea_popescu exaclty is. [16:14]
mircea_popescu better have women hunters than train cats. [16:15]
Dimsler i don't believe in evicerating the proliteriate [16:18]
Dimsler but they do it to themselves [16:18]
mircea_popescu the who ? [16:18]
asciilifeform the pre-literate? (typo, but good one) [16:19]
Dimsler proletariat [16:20]
Dimsler excuse my spelling long day [16:20]
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Dimsler rape the labourier? [16:21]
Dimsler orwell anyone? [16:21]
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moiety mew [16:28]
moiety set my client to flash at colocolos also [16:28]
moiety desk-top sized cats? yes please. will pay in muffins [16:29]
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moiety mine are too stupid to train [16:29]
moiety i love brewdog [16:43]
ozbot #SorryNotSorry [16:43]
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fluffypony moiety: did you see my mock up? [16:45]
moiety not yet fluffypony im catching up with everything, is it linked in here? [16:46]
fluffypony moiety: yeah way upz - [16:46]
moiety omg that is epic [16:47]
moiety have you ever seen the fiat manul coins? they don't have good pics on them. i love the nyar pic [16:47]
fluffypony lol [16:48]
moiety aw i wish this was a thing [16:48]
fluffypony we should make it a thing [16:49]
fluffypony ask TAT [16:49]
moiety i looked into it, is qute expensive and im not technical enough for making algos myself [16:50]
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moiety i kind of need to figure out a house before i play with this [16:50]
fluffypony don't worry [16:51]
fluffypony "writing" a coin doesn't involve much effort [16:51]
fluffypony a bit of search and replace, change a couple of constants, and then the genesis block [16:52]
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punkman fluffypony: [16:58]
fluffypony punkman: aaaand now I have nightmares [16:59]
punkman only 2500 of these [17:00]
punkman seems out of stock everywhere [17:01]
moiety these ones aren't but you need to get the full set [17:01]
punkman that's not as interesting-looking [17:02]
punkman ah there's a bunch on ebay [17:03]
fluffypony that cat looks like a pussy, moiety [17:03]
fluffypony fake-ul [17:03]
moiety lol fake-ul [17:07]
moiety the nyar face captures the essense of manul-nature, i feel [17:07]
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moiety the Turkmenistani coin could just be any cat really [17:08]
pankkake [17:10]
ozbot [] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance? [17:10]
mircea_popescu o wow, that still going ? [17:10]
mircea_popescu "Like you say, this has manipulation written all over it. That is the only way to make it work - there is no chance a freely operating system like this would make it past a few weeks before going bankrupt. " [17:11]
mircea_popescu uh. [17:11]
pankkake it's amazing how they seem to understand everything in the opposite way [17:12]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [17:12]
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mircea_popescu i like how you keep them fires stoked lol [17:12]
mircea_popescu [17:13]
ozbot [] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance? | Page 18 | [17:13]
mircea_popescu im a total lambchop fan. [17:13]
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mircea_popescu "I got my 0.01 btc investment out of neobee long ago." [17:13]
kakobrekla that will buy you a share?! [17:14]
mircea_popescu funny thing being... where were all those muppets when btc was 1.2k and mpex was mkt value over 1bn [17:15]
mircea_popescu 400mn seems such pocket change [17:15]
mike_c have they switched from calling you mirceau to marcel? [17:16]
BCB [17:17]
ozbot Twitter / georgiemark: I knew it. #Havelock #investments ... [17:17]
kakobrekla i thought i was marcel [17:17]
mike_c i see no such spam [17:20]
kakobrekla i see it. [17:21]
mike_c you were supposed to reload the page. [17:21]
kakobrekla lol. [17:21]
kakobrekla :D [17:21]
mircea_popescu mike_c i think it's different people [17:21]
mircea_popescu BCB indeed. [17:22]
BCB mircea_popescu, somethings rotten in Denmark [17:23]
mircea_popescu you know, this was not a secret in any sense. [17:23]
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BCB mircea_popescu, I never followed it much. But the Voorhees SEC inquery is interesting [17:24]
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BCB US has control of Gox DB, Trendon Shavers Transactions, SR DB, I'd imagine they have would would like to add Satoshi Dice data to their collection. [17:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.067 = 1.005 BTC [+] [17:26]
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mircea_popescu etc [17:26]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [17:27]
mircea_popescu BCB uh, the entire sd db is publicly in the ledger. [17:27]
BCB mircea_popescu, not the Users db [17:28]
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mircea_popescu there wasn't a users db. [17:28]
BCB mircea_popescu, not the buyers info [17:28]
BCB *nor [17:28]
ThickAsThieves mircea_popescu:BCB uh, the entire sd db is publicly in the ledger. --- dammit i signed in just to say this [17:28]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yw :) [17:28]
ThickAsThieves was reading logs offline [17:28]
ThickAsThieves :) [17:28]
BCB You boys are so clever [17:29]
mircea_popescu BCB you mean who the mysterious buyer was when vorhees had it delisted ? [17:29]
BCB mircea_popescu, That's obviously one person of interest. "he" obviously bought several bitcoin gaming sites. [17:29]
mircea_popescu anyway, everyone has control of the gox db. it was haxt, remember ? [17:29]
ThickAsThieves lol [17:30]
mircea_popescu and to judge by the published trendon shavers proceedings... he apparently (inadvertently ?) destroyed some data [17:30]
ThickAsThieves i found the shavers testimony to be a fun read [17:30]
mircea_popescu BCB wait, how's that obviously work ? [17:30]
ThickAsThieves nice balance between trolling and idiocy [17:31]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yeah, tardstalk meets legalspeak. [17:31]
BCB ThickAsThieves, that was a hoot. I was shocked someone so stupid was so successful at his scam [17:31]
BCB mircea_popescu, not the complete contents [17:31]
ThickAsThieves well, the forum makes it easy [17:31]
BCB mircea_popescu, the numbers on the had info do not add up. It is missing early data and the final three months [17:31]
BCB ThickAsThieves, obviously [17:32]
ThickAsThieves SEC probly got a complaint, and now they probly also wanna know if Voorhees is still running it [17:33]
mircea_popescu missing the final three months ? [17:33]
ThickAsThieves cuz gambling iz bad, unless you are a state [17:33]
ThickAsThieves then you can print scratchers and race dogs [17:33]
ThickAsThieves or if you are red you can casino [17:33]
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ThickAsThieves drives me crazy seeing "state lottery" billboards [17:34]
ThickAsThieves like seriously, wtf [17:34]
mircea_popescu gambling is bad in that it threatens to empower whoever's doing it. [17:34]
ThickAsThieves it's also an inauditable scam [17:35]
ThickAsThieves (state lottery) [17:35]
mircea_popescu exactly. [17:36]
mircea_popescu the provably fair thing will sink fiat gambling, only, they don't know it yet. [17:36]
ThickAsThieves do you think that it's just moving the goal posts though? [17:37]
ThickAsThieves being that the secret key is still a leak [17:38]
mircea_popescu notrly. or how do you mean ? [17:38]
mircea_popescu i don't follow. [17:38]
ThickAsThieves well the host knows the key right? [17:38]
ThickAsThieves and can win at will [17:38]
mircea_popescu nah. [17:39]
ThickAsThieves this may allow some forms of provably fair, but many creative ways to game that otherwise [17:39]
mircea_popescu you can do it like jd does it [17:39]
mircea_popescu that's actually pf. [17:39]
fluffypony I agree with ThickAsThieves - I think "provably fair" often means "proving that there are winners and losers" [17:39]
ThickAsThieves dooglus can't steal? [17:39]
mircea_popescu not from the players. [17:40]
BCB mircea_popescu, the gox ddb dump ends 2013-11-30 [17:40]
mircea_popescu BCB yours or mine ? [17:40]
ThickAsThieves explain to me what structure prevents dooglus from rolling a win at will? [17:40]
ThickAsThieves please :) [17:41]
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fluffypony HAH HAH - davout - apparently you're paying the forum moderators to cockblock bitcoinbourse: [17:41]
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ThickAsThieves is it feasible to somehow decentralize the key? [17:43]
ThickAsThieves or maybe I'm missing how dooglus has already done this somehow? [17:43]
pankkake no, he can indeed win at will [17:43]
pankkake and said so himself [17:43]
BCB pankkake, are you a troll for hire [17:44]
mike_c and clearly is doing so. investors only made 4% in april! scamz. [17:44]
fluffypony thus as it stands right now provably fair is "provably making payments", not provably fair in the absolute sense [17:44]
ThickAsThieves well maybe they made 5% [17:44]
ThickAsThieves and they just dont know it! [17:44]
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pankkake BCB: was, and the offer is now closed, and was never taken [17:44]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves there's this user secret. [17:44]
mike_c but, ThickAsThieves, it doesn't matter [17:44]
mircea_popescu playing roughly the role of the salt in a hash [17:44]
mike_c so dooglus is skimming (which he's not i'm sure). who cares? [17:45]
mike_c investors still got 4% [17:45]
pankkake I was thinking of a gambling system where the key is the next block hash [17:45]
ThickAsThieves mike_c thats kinda a wtf argument to the topic [17:45]
pankkake but that means waiting for the results [17:45]
mike_c the point being, i am not investing in the code. i am investing in dooglus. and he returned 4% in april. [17:45]
mircea_popescu pankkake yeah a new zooko triangle is emerging [17:45]
ThickAsThieves ok but whether its a good investment isnt the topic [17:46]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves actually that's a valid approach, mike_c's. i'd just like to explore the provably fair angle, from bettors prespective [17:46]
mircea_popescu investors is a diff story [17:46]
ThickAsThieves the topic is whether provably fair is provably a fiat gambling killer [17:46]
ThickAsThieves or just a new strain [17:47]
dignork ThickAsThieves: when dooglus places a long list of winning bets, who is the loosing side? [17:47]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so you familiar with how jd does it ? [17:47]
ThickAsThieves not in contrast to Sdice, no [17:47]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot the20year [17:47]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@ Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [17:47]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves look in his faq, it's explained there. [17:47]
mircea_popescu you can add your own seed to his. [17:47]
ThickAsThieves i told 20year to grow up and wot [17:47]
mircea_popescu he'd have to crack yours to make a self-serving secret [17:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00097663 = 43.9972 BTC [-] {2} [17:47]
mircea_popescu which then would not work with other players' [17:47]
mircea_popescu cause he is constrained by only having one server secret [17:48]
mike_c um, actually each player gets their own server secret [17:48]
mike_c pretty sure [17:48]
ThickAsThieves is that to say, it is 100% fair for the bettor [17:48]
mike_c which you can change at any time [17:48]
ThickAsThieves but [17:48]
mircea_popescu mike_c that's YOURS [17:48]
ThickAsThieves that dooglus can steal from investors still? [17:48]
mike_c no, the server one [17:48]
mircea_popescu but server also has one. his. [17:48]
mike_c you can 'randomize' and get a new server secret anytime [17:49]
mircea_popescu well either i seriously misunderstood this or else you did. [17:49]
pankkake ThickAsThieves: exactly [17:49]
mike_c i vote you :) [17:49]
mircea_popescu dooglus set us straight ? [17:49]
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ThickAsThieves so the excercise should change to [17:49]
mike_c the point is that you can verify at will (instead of having to wait a day) [17:49]
mike_c you change the server secret, and he shows you the old one [17:50]
ThickAsThieves design a provably fair casino that cant steal from anyone [17:50]
mircea_popescu mike_c hm [17:50]
mircea_popescu maybe he changed the system ? [17:50]
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mircea_popescu i only eval'd it once, when he was starting up. [17:50]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves that may be impossible. [17:50]
mike_c but this doesn't break anything. because you can change your secret after the server secret is set. [17:50]
ThickAsThieves for example, if "state lottery" takes up "provably" fair [17:51]
mircea_popescu mike_c you're confusing me. [17:51]
ThickAsThieves things are actually WORSE for the US [17:51]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves why ? [17:51]
ThickAsThieves cuz gov can steal earnings at will [17:51]
ThickAsThieves diverting them where they like [17:51]
mircea_popescu how ? [17:51]
mike_c ok, you get the hash for server secret. you want a new server secret? click a button and it generates a new one, shows you the new hash, and shows you the old secret. [17:51]
mike_c now you can set your own client seed [17:52]
mike_c bam, provably fair [17:52]
mircea_popescu RIGHT! so there are in fact two. [17:52]
mike_c yes. [17:52]
mircea_popescu aite. [17:52]
mircea_popescu but you're saying server has a hash for each guy rather than one for all guys [17:52]
mike_c right [17:52]
mircea_popescu but you can see the old hash at will. [17:52]
mike_c yup [17:52]
mircea_popescu and you can change your hash but server is not allowed to change its [17:52]
mike_c yes, unless you tell it to [17:52]
mircea_popescu except if you ask it to show it to you, then it always does. [17:53]
mircea_popescu right. [17:53]
mircea_popescu these two have the same effect. [17:53]
pankkake you would need a secret that can not be known in advance by anyone (bettors and investors), but that would be revealed shortly after the bets. so far I only see future block hashes [17:53]
mircea_popescu pankkake that's open to miner manipulation rly. [17:53]
pankkake yes, but it has a cost. miners would have to discard their own blocks to win [17:53]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so as constructed, jd can't steal from players. [17:53]
ThickAsThieves but can from investors [17:53]
mircea_popescu it may, of course, steal from investors (ie, if the player and the casino collude) [17:54]
mircea_popescu pankkake true. [17:54]
pankkake though, I was thinking of tweaking it: you have a secret server key still, and the key used to compute the bet result would be secret+lastblock [17:54]
ThickAsThieves salty fairness [17:54]
mircea_popescu pankkake mike_c is working on something based on that principle [17:54]
mircea_popescu was demo'd at conference [17:54]
pankkake nice [17:54]
mircea_popescu i think will open for a close beta soonish [17:54]
mircea_popescu or close for an open beta [17:55]
mike_c it'll be out before cardano :D [17:55]
mircea_popescu or something [17:55]
ThickAsThieves hehe [17:55]
ThickAsThieves sounds like a challenge! [17:55]
ThickAsThieves or a bet [17:55]
pankkake still, you would have to wait for a block for the result [17:56]
ThickAsThieves white house logic: "Disclosing a vulnerability can mean that we forego an opportunity to collect crucial intelligence that could thwart a terrorist attack, stop the theft of our nation’s intellectual property, or even discover more dangerous vulnerabilities that are being used by hackers or other adversaries to exploit our networks," [17:56]
ThickAsThieves leave it vulnerable so we can protect it! [17:56]
pankkake so investors would have to chose between less volume yet provably fair, vs. more volume but maybe some stealth stealing [17:57]
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mike_c that is the tradeoff i have ended up at. although less volume is not necessarily the result, but slower action, yes. [17:58]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i wish you had a tag on trilema for articles about being so stupid you don't know how stupid you are [17:58]
mike_c the lottery is slow but gets lots of volume for instance [17:58]
pankkake waiting can be part of the fun [17:58]
thestringpuller you being the woodchipper lemmings [17:58]
thestringpuller !jd mpif [17:58]
assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.29221206 BTC [17:58]
ThickAsThieves am i correct in assuming mpif wont be for sale until afte rthe first month of action? [18:00]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller lol [18:03]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves nah, it'll sell after the first report. [18:03]
mircea_popescu nobody has to buy it tho. [18:03]
ThickAsThieves uhh [18:04]
mike_c first report being before may 5? [18:05]
mircea_popescu yes [18:05]
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ThickAsThieves word [18:06]
mircea_popescu seemsmore reasonable this way. if someone judges it prudent to wait a month, or six or sixty, they can [18:06]
fluffypony Google made a motherboard: [18:07]
mircea_popescu but if someone judges it unnecessary, well, they're not stuck with the rest. [18:07]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what ws your blog again ? [18:07]
mike_c devilwearsbitcoin [18:08]
ThickAsThieves [18:08]
fluffypony lol [18:08]
ozbot The Devil's Advocate | Telling it like it might be. [18:08]
mircea_popescu ty [18:08]
mircea_popescu possibly worst sort of biz idea that, devlin advocacy. [18:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00463934 = 0.2737 BTC [+] [18:09]
ThickAsThieves good thing i dont plan to make any money from it [18:09]
ThickAsThieves on purpose at least [18:09]
assbot Voicing the20year for 30 minutes. [18:10]
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ThickAsThieves the20year, as i hinted i wont voice people that should already know better [18:11]
mircea_popescu what'd he do [18:14]
mike_c ;;ident the20year [18:14]
gribble Nick 'the20year', with hostmask 'the20year!~the20year@', is identified as user 'the20year', with GPG key id 359D91C634AE8E53, key fingerprint DF515FC27907A1FC3236C7E8359D91C634AE8E53, and bitcoin address None [18:14]
ThickAsThieves he's the RENT guy [18:14]
ThickAsThieves been around like a year [18:14]
pankkake ;;gettrust assbot the20year [18:15]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@ Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [18:15]
ThickAsThieves and been voiced a handful of days since the change [18:15]
pankkake weird [18:15]
ThickAsThieves it's time for him to get auth'd properly [18:16]
pankkake oh, no ratings at all! not even from mrstickball! [18:16]
ThickAsThieves in my elitist opinion [18:16]
mike_c well, he can't up himself if no one rates him [18:16]
fluffypony oh lol, I thought thestringpuller was the RENT guy [18:16]
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ThickAsThieves maybe someone here owns some RENT and is happy about it? [18:17]
mircea_popescu a he got himself into the wot huh. cool. [18:18]
ThickAsThieves i'd give him a point for his diligence and seemingly running a Havelock asset better than most, but the more recent terms of his 3POs and such kinda make me hesitant [18:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0344999 = 0.483 BTC [+] {3} [18:18]
mircea_popescu how did that work in the end ? [18:18]
mike_c kakobrekla: you have finally shamed me into fixing my comment approval system. there will be no more spammers on btcalpha. [18:19]
ThickAsThieves it's still going [18:19]
ThickAsThieves they shut off trading for like a month [18:19]
ThickAsThieves new offering was at much higher than market value [18:19]
ThickAsThieves but someone conviently bought it up [18:19]
the20year not based on usd, which is what our fund is denominated in [18:19]
ThickAsThieves conveniently [18:19]
kakobrekla mike_c it was a private /notice so you only shamed yourself now :p [18:20]
pankkake well, RENT is openly fiat business, so I wouldn't consider it bad to not be bitcoin-profitable [18:20]
ThickAsThieves i already get spam on my blog... [18:20]
the20year HL sends me daily sales reports, if I felt like it I could post them showing who bought the shares [18:20]
fluffypony I have no spam on my blog [18:20]
fluffypony disqus = love [18:20]
ThickAsThieves if you felt like it? [18:20]
ThickAsThieves lol [18:20]
kakobrekla i have little spam on bitbet [18:20]
thestringpuller ;;google woodchipper [18:20]
gribble The story of Pointless and Witless pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Notorious M.P. layin down that subliminal shit, na mean ? pe Trilema ...: [18:20]
kakobrekla math = hard [18:20]
mike_c kakobrekla: well, public shamings work better anyway :) [18:20]
pankkake fluffypony: disqus = evil [18:20]
fluffypony pankkake: for comments does it matter? [18:20]
mike_c fluffypony: you use disqus? so you are also shaming yourself. [18:21]
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fluffypony mike_c: I hate all the comment plugins for jekyll [18:21]
kakobrekla what is jerky? [18:22]
fluffypony disqus is the easiest way for me to have comments without dicking around for 2 days with unsupported plugins [18:22]
fluffypony kakobrekla: [18:22]
the20year Correct [18:22]
fluffypony it generates static html from markdown, basically [18:22]
fluffypony so very low impact on the server, as nginx just ends up serving stuff that's cached in memory [18:22]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@ Trust relationship from user Mrstickball to user the20year: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014 [18:23]
pankkake I'll eventually switch to a static blog with (automated) comments by mail [18:23]
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pankkake but for now I'm happy with the lesser evils of wordpress [18:24]
kakobrekla do you get like millions of hits per day or are cpu cycles that expensive there? [18:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 160 @ 0.00084993 = 0.136 BTC [+] {2} [18:24]
mike_c the server is mining in the background, so extra cpu costs him btc. [18:24]
fluffypony pankkake: I wouldn't consider WP a lesser evil than Disqus [18:24]
asciilifeform suggested experiment: only accept pgp-signed comments. [18:24]
pankkake at least I have full control of the content! [18:24]
kakobrekla mike_c perhaps mining, but without him knowing [18:24]
asciilifeform handily abolishes user registration, 'avatars', all that crap [18:24]
ThickAsThieves only reason i havent put disqus on mine is cuz mp hate sit [18:24]
asciilifeform and probably shoots spammers dead. [18:25]
pankkake asciilifeform: definitively. or at least auto-mod them [18:25]
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kakobrekla this reminds me of Ukyo saying he cant post to assbot because its too much network traffic [18:26]
asciilifeform usernames (displayed on blog) would link to wot. [18:26]
pankkake and I don't like the anti spam ways of using javascript. websites should be fully usable without [18:26]
asciilifeform call it 'web 0.0' or something. [18:26]
pankkake you know PGP identities can be pictures :) [18:26]
pankkake ahah, web 0.0 I like it [18:27]
asciilifeform pankkake: identities are keys. [18:27]
fluffypony pankkake: I have control over the content? you can turn off that advertising thingy where they show similar content [18:27]
pankkake I really want to start a movement of anti-web things [18:27]
asciilifeform if key signs a photo, sure, display it if you feel like it [18:27]
pankkake fluffypony: I mean, it's in my own database. on my machine. [18:27]
fluffypony pankkake: ah ok, I get what you're saying [18:27]
asciilifeform you also get fine-grained moderation for free [18:28]
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asciilifeform that is, basic level - only accept comments from folks in wot [18:28]
asciilifeform next, arsebot-style filter [18:28]
mircea_popescu !up owner [18:28]
assbot Voicing owner for 30 minutes. [18:28]
fluffypony kakobrekla: the server it's hosted on hosts a bunch of our local sites that are heavily trafficked, so I keep it purposely low-impact [18:29]
mircea_popescu pankkake: I wouldn't consider WP a lesser evil than Disqus << why not ?! [18:29]
fluffypony plus I *hate* WP [18:29]
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numerisTrade hi bitcoin-assets [18:29]
kakobrekla not like 8 bux gives you power to run infinite* number of blogs [18:29]
pankkake wordpress is PHP. and you have to keep that shit up to date, too [18:29]
mircea_popescu I really want to start a movement of anti-web things << join the queue! [18:29]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: because WP is so badly written...I wrote a plugin for it years ago, and that was honestly the most painful experience in shitty PHP coding [18:29]
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fluffypony kakobrekla: not locally, unfortunately [18:30]
mircea_popescu pankkake trilema runs wp 1.8 i think ? [18:30]
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pankkake lol, never got hacked? [18:30]
mircea_popescu no nm 2.7 [18:30]
mircea_popescu never. [18:30]
pankkake though most holes lately require access to wp-admin [18:30]
mike_c fluffypony: you should see wikimedia. amazingly it is worse than wordpress. [18:31]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [18:31]
pankkake mediawiki you mean [18:31]
mike_c yeah [18:31]
pankkake but yeah, what a fucking mess [18:31]
fluffypony mike_c: I can imagine, we'll put it on the list of broken things I don't want to touch [18:31]
mircea_popescu mediawiki is god awful yes [18:31]
mircea_popescu but tbh i think wp only became broken after 2.x [18:32]
pankkake I hate the new admin interface [18:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03450063 = 0.345 BTC [+] {3} [18:32]
pankkake though it has an API, so I could post/edit from somewhere else easily [18:32]
bounce there's a baseline guaranteed brokenness courtesy php, though [18:32]
ThickAsThieves this should be funny, wu tang fans trying to scrape together $5m to buy the promo album coming out (only one copy to exist) [18:32]
pankkake I wonder if there's a request on [18:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03495131 = 0.1398 BTC [+] {4} [18:33]
mircea_popescu pankkake i could too, via email, in wp of 2008 [18:33]
mircea_popescu never have. [18:33]
fluffypony kakobrekla: $95/month for a E3-1270 V2 @ 3.50GHz, 8gb RAM, 2x 1tb eSATA drives, and 1tb of traffic [18:34]
fluffypony *shafted* [18:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0349999 = 0.315 BTC [+] {8} [18:34]
the20year hopefully when mrstickball he can grab decent BW on the fiber that runs right next to the complex and start renting servers or some such [18:34]
the20year *when mrstickball gets his warehouse [18:34]
fluffypony won't help me unless he gets a warehouse in South Africa :-P [18:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0349999 = 0.14 BTC [+] {4} [18:35]
pankkake we'll see. after all, leaked Microsoft COFEE [18:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03504882 = 0.3154 BTC [+] {9} [18:36]
kakobrekla that thing is no longer up, was a fake i guess [18:37]
fluffypony mrstickball: lol [18:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0389999 = 0.39 BTC [-] {10} [18:37]
kakobrekla ah nvm its a request [18:37]
kakobrekla im retarded as usual. [18:38]
fluffypony I like parts of the US and a handful of the people there, but not enough to move there [18:38]
pankkake kakobrekla: eventually removed COFEE though, feared legal problems or something [18:38]
kakobrekla yes [18:38]
kakobrekla too much heat. [18:38]
pankkake like some trackers ban advance copies [18:39]
fluffypony kakobrekla: figurative or literal? [18:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03543992 = 0.2126 BTC [+] {4} [18:39]
kakobrekla retarded? literally. [18:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03543999 = 0.4253 BTC [+] {6} [18:40]
fluffypony kakobrekla: was a joke, yo - [18:41]
kakobrekla ah, sorry, im not from the ghetto. [18:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0389999 = 0.624 BTC [-] {8} [18:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1819 @ 0.00085596 = 1.557 BTC [+] {7} [18:41]
fluffypony :-P [18:41]
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ThickAsThieves [18:42]
ozbot Announcing the MIT Bitcoin Project | MIT Bitcoin Club [18:42]
ThickAsThieves they wanna see what happens [18:42]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: yeah read that earlier, it's an interesting experiment [18:42]
ThickAsThieves maybe bitbet that 80% of it ends up with 20% of the people? [18:42]
ThickAsThieves or the like [18:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0389999 = 0.273 BTC [-] {4} [18:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 6000 @ 0.00088159 = 5.2895 BTC [+] {24} [18:42]
punkman good thing they didn't make MITcoin [18:43]
fluffypony lol [18:43]
kakobrekla this is "we decided to make this half a million into nothing" [18:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0389999 = 0.195 BTC [-] {3} [18:43]
kakobrekla you cant do shit with 100$. [18:43]
punkman so come up with something stupid to sell to MIT people, get almost all of that $500k of btc [18:44]
fluffypony "$110 off your student loan!" [18:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.039 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2} [18:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+] [18:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 191 @ 0.00088879 = 0.1698 BTC [+] {2} [18:44]
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mircea_popescu so come up with something stupid to sell to MIT people, get almost all of that $500k of btc << [18:45]
mircea_popescu i vote "a charity to get more women into gayness" [18:45]
mircea_popescu no wait. [18:45]
mircea_popescu into tech i meant. [18:45]
ThickAsThieves Suicide Help Line [18:45]
ThickAsThieves We accept BTC! [18:46]
ThickAsThieves "Stop being a pussy. Have a nice day!" [18:46]
punkman so I was making a little cli interface for Namecheap, and they want me to login on the website and approve my IP address for API access every time it changes [18:46]
mircea_popescu maybe "how to use a battery to light a bulb, wearethepremieretechandblablainstitutionintheworld" ? [18:46]
mircea_popescu punkman this is fashionable nowadays. [18:46]
ThickAsThieves useful API [18:46]
mircea_popescu but don't they email ? [18:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 600 @ 0.001 = 0.6 BTC [18:46]
fluffypony punkman: proxy requests through a box with a fixed IP? [18:47]
punkman fluffypony: well yeah I guess, or make a bot that goes and approves the IP before it tries to do anything [18:48]
punkman I'd rather keep my NC password on my local box only [18:48]
fluffypony ok but if you're just proxying requests you keep everything locally? [18:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC [18:49]
fluffypony punkman: ala the little php snipped in but forward proxying instead of reverse [18:50]
benkay mircea_popescu: where is Wywiał writing? [18:52]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: do you remember that email asciilifeform passed you [18:52]
thestringpuller an old flame war of sorts but it had a good quote in it [18:52]
thestringpuller having trouble finding it in logs [18:52]
mircea_popescu benkay trilema comments atm [18:53]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller um not sure ? [18:53]
benkay mircea_popescu: ah i was wondering if the gentleman had his own outlet [18:53]
thestringpuller it talked about professionalism and how one doesn't care if the mechanic's dog died earlier that day [18:53]
Naphex 200$ and you get to crack the egg [18:53]
thestringpuller etc. [18:53]
thestringpuller not a big deal [18:53]
Naphex like never before [18:53]
benkay on one hand, having a third party involved in any bitcoin transaction, in any way, is breaking the protocol. << not a fan of multisig? [18:54]
mircea_popescu benkay kinda why i was suggesting he blog. [18:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 621 @ 0.07261664 = 45.0949 BTC [+] {55} [18:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.039 = 0.624 BTC [+] [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.72062530 BTC to 7`551 shares, 36030 satoshi per share [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.08 = 0.88 BTC [+] [19:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 225 @ 0.00088893 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2} [19:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+] [19:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 111 @ 0.08 = 8.88 BTC [+] [19:03]
fluffypony [19:03]
fluffypony lol, 'Merkan food [19:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08 = 4 BTC [+] [19:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1914 @ 0.0001238 = 0.237 BTC [+] [19:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 145 @ 0.08 = 11.6 BTC [+] {3} [19:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.08 = 1.84 BTC [+] {2} [19:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.08 = 3.12 BTC [+] [19:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 201 @ 0.073 = 14.673 BTC [-] {4} [19:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07009951 = 1.5422 BTC [-] {3} [19:12]
benkay !up JorgePasada [19:12]
assbot Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes. [19:12]
* assbot gives voice to JorgePasada [19:12]
JorgePasada Man, so bummed there's no meetup tonight [19:12]
benkay no get together? [19:12]
JorgePasada 5th Tuesday of the Month [19:12]
JorgePasada Hurts my brain just seeing that in writing [19:12]
JorgePasada It's 1st and 3rd Tuesday [19:13]
JorgePasada Not every other week [19:13]
JorgePasada So we're in a weird 'leap week' [19:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07000001 = 2.8 BTC [-] {4} [19:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [-] [19:15]
benkay oh. [19:15]
JorgePasada Yep [19:16]
benkay random_cat_: nothing doing tonight [19:17]
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benkay !up donpillou [19:26]
assbot Voicing donpillou for 30 minutes. [19:26]
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donpillou yay! [19:26]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves [19:29]
mircea_popescu donpillou who're you [19:29]
mircea_popescu JorgePasada lol bad luck. [19:29]
donpillou i'm a random guy from the internets [19:30]
mircea_popescu ah i c. [19:30]
JorgePasada All my friends keep trying to get me on OkCupid [19:30]
JorgePasada I'd like to say it's because I'm taking a principled stand against online dating [19:31]
mircea_popescu but if you have friends already... [19:31]
JorgePasada but really it's because I'm just lazy [19:31]
JorgePasada Yeah that too [19:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00463935 = 0.1763 BTC [+] [19:31]
mircea_popescu what triggered for me was that i was walking through a park yest, and there was this lonely kinda strange tall lanky black haired guy [19:31]
JorgePasada Meet people IRL? [19:31]
JorgePasada Nah [19:31]
mircea_popescu sort-of amir taaki-esque [19:31]
mircea_popescu who was fiddling with the camera to get it to sit up so it'll take his picture [19:31]
mircea_popescu by himself. [19:31]
mircea_popescu it was just him and the crows, which were also playing with sticks and items in a similar figety manner [19:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00463949 = 0.3294 BTC [+] {2} [19:32]
mircea_popescu and i thought to myself... here's a crow, that has no friends, but through the use of technology will make itself a profile, and put it online [19:32]
mircea_popescu and then have friends. [19:32]
mircea_popescu solitude is an incredible thing. [19:32]
JorgePasada Haha [19:32]
JorgePasada That's slightly depressing [19:33]
mircea_popescu think : the guy doesn't even have ONE friend to take his picture. [19:33]
mircea_popescu beats the "pot to piss in" by a large margin. [19:33]
moiety can someone explain to me why i bother with the forum. I have no idea. [19:33]
benkay must really enjoy subjecting yourself to mental anguish, moiety [19:34]
moiety children are the bane of my existence [19:34]
benkay and you don't even have any! [19:34]
moiety IK! [19:34]
kakobrekla i like solitude and re profiles, they are getting banned or i delete them. [19:34]
moiety gimma a shotgun pls [19:34]
benkay wouldn't you prefer a cane? [19:34]
moiety nah i have no time for that. shotgun + face + close range = can get on with other things nao thx [19:35]
benkay you need to hone your glare. shotgun's unnecessary. [19:35]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: did you offer to help him take his picture? [19:35]
benkay children need to feel the scourge of others opinions early. [19:35]
mircea_popescu fluffypony no. [19:36]
moiety benkay: it's like explaining to brick walls though [19:36]
moiety i don't mind children with ears and half a brain [19:36]
JorgePasada moiety: Eh, just ignore them. [19:37]
JorgePasada although, that being said, actually curating a good community and good content [19:37]
JorgePasada is getting harder every september [19:37]
mircea_popescu either that or we're just getting lazier/stupider/etc [19:38]
benkay don't explain things to them, that's teaching and takes time. just glare and kill their ego with your disapproval. [19:38]
benkay JorgePasada: community has nothing to do with content [19:39]
JorgePasada benkay: Disagree [19:40]
moiety mircea_popescu: what does 'switch' mean? re the piecharts [19:40]
mircea_popescu moiety will play either way. [19:40]
moiety ah ty [19:41]
benkay mind you, JorgePasada, i'm talking about a real community of humans who get together and derp on a patch of dirt for potatoes or tomatoes during the day and sing and drink at night [19:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1485 BTC [-] [19:41]
benkay the kind comprised of adults that'd socialize budding humans not poorly. [19:42]
JorgePasada benkay: Yeah, I mean we need more of that for sure. But hell, a lot of my very close friends I only interact with online [19:42]
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jadne jespern Jezzz jMyles joecool joesmoe jordandotdev JorgePasada JoshG julles jurov justusranvier [19:42]
mircea_popescu !up JorgePasada [19:42]
assbot Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes. [19:42]
* assbot gives voice to JorgePasada [19:42]
JorgePasada I think the problem is when that's the ONLY way you interact with people. [19:43]
JorgePasada I really gotta get on this WoT thing [19:43]
JorgePasada Stupid lazy brain [19:43]
JorgePasada Also, just bought my ticket to the amsterdam [19:43]
benkay well don't do only one thing [19:43]
benkay have skin in several games, right? [19:43]
mircea_popescu ^that. [19:43]
Apocalyptic what games are you proposing benkay ? [19:44]
benkay you want to know where i put my skin? [19:45]
benkay no dice. [19:45]
moiety jesus christ this shit annoys me [19:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.078 = 0.39 BTC [+] [19:45]
benkay but at a rough approximation: my own biz, some other biz, -assets, and my personal wot. [19:46]
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JorgePasada benkay: I like to be in the 'skinning other people who have no game' game. Good biz. [19:49]
Apocalyptic you want to know where i put my skin? // nortly, that's your business, just wanted to know what you meant by that [19:51]
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benkay JorgePasada: what could go wrong? lol [19:53]
JorgePasada benkay: Step two is still all question marks... so in theory a lot [19:53]
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benkay running the confidence game can be very lucrative! [19:55]
JorgePasada benkay: I think that's the realization I had when I was like 24 or so [19:55]
JorgePasada Wait a minute, all of these people are way way less knowledgable about this stuff than I am, they're just more confident [19:56]
benkay tends to be at odds with the gentleman's desire to cultivate an identity, though. [19:56]
JorgePasada in what sense do you mean? [19:56]
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benkay the only identity a con man can sustain is with other thieves. [19:57]
benkay his identity (in the sense of a thing that persists past each scam) is only relevant to other scammers. the con man must burn his identity for each con. [19:57]
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JorgePasada Hmm [19:58]
JorgePasada brings an interesting thought [19:58]
JorgePasada is identity = reputation? [19:58]
JorgePasada But yeah I was more just getting at taking the other side of willing transactions [19:59]
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JorgePasada where I think people don't understand the market [19:59]
JorgePasada I'm happy, they're happy [19:59]
JorgePasada Everyone wins [19:59]
JorgePasada So I'm reading this article a friend wrote [20:00]
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JorgePasada [20:00]
moiety i need this in my life [20:00]
moiety having a read at your link now JorgePasada [20:01]
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JorgePasada Because a Bitcoin transaction can’t be reversed, it means that the party transferring value has no recourse within the Bitcoin system to reverse or dispute a transaction. Thus, someone who wants their money back has to go to court, and companies that accept Bitcoin as payment aren’t above the law. This will move chargebacks from intermediary mediated settlements to small-claims court and higher civil courts [20:01]
JorgePasada That paragraph bothers me. [20:01]
HeySteve <+JorgePasada> is identity = reputation? <- I'd say no. identity is what you know of yourself, reputation is what others know of you [20:01]
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benkay These operations are run by what you could consider as volunteers << can't tell if stupid or being ironic [20:02]
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JorgePasada sorry [20:02]
JorgePasada paragraph after that [20:02]
JorgePasada Bitcoin doesn’t eliminate fraudulent transactions; it only eliminates counterfeit payments. This can, of course, save many tens or hundreds of billions of dollars a year globally and translate to more efficiency in commerce. But removing the intermediary also removes recourse outside of courts, and the cost and nature of that can’t be determined. [20:02]
JorgePasada more accurately the very last part [20:02]
JorgePasada 'and the cost and nature of that can’t be determined.' [20:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 958 @ 0.00087184 = 0.8352 BTC [+] {5} [20:03]
JorgePasada because it's blatantly false [20:03]
JorgePasada It's 100% guaranteed to be a net value add to the system as an aggregate [20:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1443 @ 0.0008702 = 1.2557 BTC [-] {7} [20:04]
JorgePasada or, sorry [20:04]
JorgePasada not detract any value [20:04]
JorgePasada is a better way of stating it [20:04]
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JorgePasada Before you only had 2 options [20:04]
JorgePasada er, one [20:04]
JorgePasada and now you have two [20:04]
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JorgePasada Increasing optionality, especially when talking about markets in the aggregate, is always good [20:05]
JorgePasada specifically in some cases, yeah it's hard when I have 6 girls to go out with on one friday night, maybe too many options [20:05]
JorgePasada but markets don't suffer from decision paralysis [20:06]
benkay "It also glosses over theft. Because Bitcoin relies entirely on the private retention of secrets (private keys that prove ownership of given Bitcoins), a stolen Bitcoin is only traceable within the system to a certain extent, and thefts of millions and tens of millions of dollars have already occurred. Because committed transactions are irreversible, stolen Bitcoins are valuable and nearly laundered." << this is bananas. [20:06]
benkay as in, makes zero sense. [20:06]
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JorgePasada Yeah [20:07]
benkay sorry JorgePasada i'm not seeing much worth putting through my jelly computer in that medium piece [20:07]
benkay let's try something from princessnell: [20:08]
JorgePasada Eh, it's just frustrating because I've talked with him about the bitty coin extensively, and he gets it, and the conclusion isn't bad at all [20:08]
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JorgePasada but in the middle it's like he's arguing past andreessen [20:08]
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benkay "It’s almost a mistake that tracking today is possible." << not an alert human. [20:09]
benkay it's not a mistake. [20:09]
JorgePasada What do you mean? [20:10]
benkay who d'you think made the protocol changes that broadcast IP addresses with every network message? [20:11]
JorgePasada I mean, I don't see how it could work any other way... [20:11]
JorgePasada It's a network, there has to be points of entry [20:12]
benkay there's already a connection between two machines sending btc protocol messages back and forth [20:12]
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HeySteve you can run bitcoin over tor [20:17]
benkay the honeypot? [20:17]
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HeySteve who knows [20:20]
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benkay -assets knows all [20:21]
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JorgePas_ stupid comcast [20:21]
TomServo Maybe you'll get lucky and get sold to Charter? [20:22]
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bitcoinpete [20:25]
TomServo ;) [20:26]
TomServo [20:26]
ozbot Bitcoin: Killer of Nietzschian Nihilism | When Bitcoin Met Pete [20:26]
TomServo damn clipboard! [20:26]
bitcoinpete lol [20:26]
benkay lol no page found, bitcoinpete [20:26]
thestringpuller !jd MPIF [20:27]
assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.28889252 BTC [20:27]
benkay ah but the third one [20:27]
thestringpuller ;;calc .2 / 50 [20:27]
gribble 0.004 [20:27]
thestringpuller ;;calc 0.004 * 20 [20:27]
gribble 0.08 [20:27]
bitcoinpete benkay: resolved [20:27]
bitcoinpete was fiddling with titles and urls [20:27]
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FabianB hmm.. F.MPIF already in operation without public funds? [20:28]
bitcoinpete i'd never really read nietzsche but he's on the fuckin money as far as -assets and bitcoin go [20:28]
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mod6 you should read some of his stuff bitcoinpete [20:33]
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bitcoinpete mod6: i am now :) [20:34]
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mod6 any specific title? [20:34]
moiety bitcoinpete: Nietzschean* [20:35]
bitcoinpete moiety: i suppose, though i've seen both [20:36]
moiety fe [20:36]
bitcoinpete mod6: mostly overview stuff so far, just getting my bearings [20:38]
bitcoinpete mod6: any recommendations? [20:38]
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mod6 The Twilight of the Idols, Thus Spoke Zarathustra and The Antichrist are all good. I read now and then from The Will to Power. [20:41]
mod6 The Will to Power was put together by his sister after his death. Mainly a collection of papers and personal notes. It's good though. [20:42]
mircea_popescu FabianB well it was started with my own btc. [20:42]
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mircea_popescu moiety which part [20:43]
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fluffypony bitcoinpete: this is among my favourite of the things you've said - "There’s a baby, its bathwater, and Mastercoin. Let’s just throw out the latter two." [20:44]
FabianB mircea_popescu: that was my guess after seeing 19:27 <+thestringpuller> !jd MPIF [20:44]
FabianB :) [20:44]
mircea_popescu These operations are run by what you could consider as volunteers << can't tell if stupid or being ironic << it's idiotic. [20:45]
mircea_popescu let me guess, derp byrne ? [20:45]
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bitcoinpete mod6 thanks! [20:47]
benkay mircea_popescu: JorgePasada's link. [20:48]
bitcoinpete fluffypony: haha ya, that was a decent one [20:48]
mircea_popescu o thing. mk. [20:48]
bitcoinpete anyhoo, yoga time. cheers! [20:48]
JorgePasada Yeah, not sure what their model is for monetizing that [20:48]
JorgePasada that is [20:48]
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moiety mircea_popescu: the whole idea we can't use 'guys'. i get this kind of crap all the time. also when i use 'dude'. i get feminazis giving me into trouble and i am female myself. [20:49]
mircea_popescu yeah, why do something useful, that's like hard. better to yak at people about what words they use. [20:50]
JorgePasada 'dude brah' [20:50]
mircea_popescu benkay [20:51]
mircea_popescu who knows, maybe it jolts the dude out of his intellectual complacency and he actually gets informed about btc. [20:51]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell bitcoinpete "Bitcoin is infused with several of Nietzsche’s philosophies." that's broken. concepts ? ideas ? [20:53]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:53]
benkay twitter users can't think in units of length greater than 140 characters, and they labor over each character. i don't want to suggest we value qlty over qnty but ffs i don't think these people can engage in real time chat style webversations. [20:53]
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mircea_popescu so let them fail, miserably and humiliatingly, and from that failure learn how little shit they got for brains. [20:55]
mircea_popescu anyway, the notion that andreessen is a source or has anything to say about bitcoin is laughable, but it's also so very cute [20:55]
mircea_popescu basically this guy would like to be here, but he doesn't know that here exists, or how to get here. which, imo, speak to structural deffect. if he weren't a broken being he wouldn't have the problem. [20:56]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell princessnell hey, what do you know of pando daily ? [21:00]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:00]
benkay ;;seen princessnell [21:01]
gribble I have not seen princessnell. [21:01]
benkay ho ho ho [21:01]
mircea_popescu um [21:01]
mircea_popescu what was it ? [21:01]
mircea_popescu wait, she NEVER said anything ? [21:02]
benkay don't recall, no. [21:02]
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benkay try le tweets. [21:03]
moiety i dont remember her actually speaking [21:04]
moiety also, is 'guise' safe to use i wonder or are we all supposed to be peeps now [21:06]
moiety in #manul-assets it'll be dicks or gtfo btw guys ;P [21:07]
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fluffypony moiety: "niggaz" is the preferred colloquialism to a manul [21:08]
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fluffypony so I hear [21:08]
fluffypony ma nigga [21:08]
moiety i thought their preferred speak just consisted of fuck off bitch [21:09]
HeySteve ?? ?? [21:09]
HeySteve the stupidity is overwhelming [21:10]
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benkay [21:27]
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benkay "In the end, the Christian Democrats failed to secure a player and the Feminist Initiative player had to decline due to other commitments." [21:27]
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pankkake lel [21:28]
pankkake I wonder if Scarlett in sparked some juicy controversy [21:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC [21:33]
fluffypony "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo [21:35]
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benkay [21:36]
pankkake what did he say? [21:39]
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ThickAsThieves <+moiety> in #manul-assets it'll be dicks or gtfo btw guys ;P /// lol, best quote of the day [21:47]
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mod6 bitcoinpete: np. :) [21:50]
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mike_c the worst part of dicks or gtfo is that the channel would be flooded with pics immediately.. [21:55]
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moiety :D [21:59]
moiety psssh its just being involved [22:00]
moiety might be a slightly wrong route to go, taking away from the manuls and all [22:00]
moiety perhaps didnt think this through [22:01]
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fluffypony oh wow [22:12]
fluffypony so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort? [22:12]
fluffypony [22:12]
benkay !up JorgePasada [22:13]
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JorgePasada Also... [22:13]
JorgePasada guess what I just did [22:13]
fluffypony JorgePasada: had a glass of wine? [22:14]
fluffypony nm, that's me [22:14]
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JorgePasada Nah, finally authenticated [22:14]
JorgePasada with the WoT [22:14]
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ThickAsThieves <+fluffypony> so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort? /// where? [22:16]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: link's above [22:16]
fluffypony [22:16]
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ThickAsThieves yeah i clicked [22:17]
fluffypony it's all very confusing [22:17]
ThickAsThieves and saw nothing even discussing trades [22:17]
fluffypony ok well [22:17]
benkay ;;ident JorgePasada [22:17]
gribble Nick 'JorgePasada', with hostmask 'JorgePasada!', is identified as user 'JorgePasada', with GPG key id F94255F4860A142A, key fingerprint A5DCC517069DDCB8F4D3050DF94255F4860A142A, and bitcoin address None [22:17]
fluffypony MintSpare has disappeared and nobody knows what's potting [22:17]
fluffypony then Havelock say "We have been working with Mintspare closely during the past few months and they have a bright future ahead of them. They should and will start to post and respond to requests on this forum." [22:18]
benkay ;;rate JorgePasada 1 [22:18]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JorgePasada has been recorded. [22:18]
benkay !down JorgePasada [22:18]
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ThickAsThieves so HL is saying they havent disappeared? [22:18]
fluffypony yes [22:18]
benkay ;;gettrust assbot JorgePasada [22:18]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask JorgePasada! Trust relationship from user assbot to user JorgePasada: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 15:07:18 2014 [22:18]
fluffypony so then the question is - why are MintSpare so quiet but Havelock claim to be speaking to them [22:18]
fluffypony and ALSO [22:18]
benkay aight, JorgePasada /msg assbot !up [22:18]
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fluffypony Havelock say "We do hold the Bitcoins raised during their offering in escrow and only distribute those funds as needed." [22:18]
fluffypony how could they do that without talking to them? [22:19]
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ThickAsThieves well the forum notoriously wants news when there is none [22:19]
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fluffypony THEN [22:19]
ThickAsThieves altought financial reports would be enough [22:19]
JorgePasada Scweet. [22:19]
fluffypony they back the fuck up completely [22:19]
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fluffypony "We don't have any inside information that is not made public." [22:19]
fluffypony and they get pushed on whether they're using information to trade [22:19]
fluffypony "Full Disclosure: we currently own 733 Units in MS, current value is less than 1 Bitcoin. " [22:19]
ThickAsThieves well kinda splitting peanuts [22:19]
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fluffypony it's all very confusing [22:20]
ThickAsThieves well thats what happens when you try to fill a void [22:20]
ThickAsThieves you invent gods [22:20]
pankkake mintspare raised before the havelock escrow thing [22:20]
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ThickAsThieves fwiw mintspare came to me first and i sent them packing [22:20]
ThickAsThieves fluffypony i'm not sure why you would waste your time on it, did you buy some? [22:23]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: no, I was just flipping through threads [22:23]
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JorgePasada Y'all see this yet? [22:29]
JorgePasada [22:29]
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fluffypony well that seems a convenient work around [22:32]
fluffypony setup mining operations in the US [22:32]
fluffypony rent it to someone outside of the US [22:33]
fluffypony make it a zero-sum game [22:33]
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JorgePasada It's actually a sensible ruling though [22:36]
JorgePasada which is strange coming from them [22:36]
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benkay either that or there are sensible people at the helm in some places. hard to believe, but a possibility. [22:37]
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mircea_popescu [22:38]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @GlennF You should. Unlike ... [22:38]
pankkake or crazy laws get ignored anyway, especially with bitcoin [22:38]
mircea_popescu glenn thinks he should not have to listen to assbot on the grounds of assbot's amazing name [22:38]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [22:38]
mircea_popescu on the same grounds, i [22:39]
mircea_popescu i'll have my horses graze on him. for he's a glenn, and they like glens. [22:39]
JorgePasada Haha [22:40]
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mircea_popescu so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort? << no. they're just trying to make vague claims as to anything. that they're registered, should that seem desirable. that they're mp, should that appear a value. that anything and everything, no matter what it may be. [22:41]
mircea_popescu scammers always do. [22:41]
JorgePasada Thanks mircea_popescu, now I'm going to get shit about that :-P [22:41]
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mircea_popescu idiots, of course, never have the sense to actually name names, and admit whom they wish to copy, and for what reason, and what all that means. [22:42]
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fluffypony oh didn't they get busted like today for not being registered on the Panamanian SEC? [22:42]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: no, I was just flipping through threads << i imagine he's picked up the benkay task. [22:43]
mircea_popescu it IS a great way to build an intellect in this space. [22:43]
fluffypony you know what they say [22:43]
fluffypony "they see me trollin', they hatin'" [22:43]
benkay i learned to sniff out the banal stench of scam and stopped. [22:44]
mircea_popescu surely. [22:44]
mircea_popescu oh by the way, rehashing [22:45]
JorgePasada I used to spend time on the forums back in the day... back when you could actually find useful information without digging through pages of BS [22:45]
mircea_popescu if anyone's not seen the lion in winter, you definitely must. [22:45]
mircea_popescu o'toole, hepburn, hopkins... [22:46]
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pankkake [23:11]
ozbot Virtual Mining Corporation and Active Mining Corporation | Wood Law Firm [23:11]
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pankkake what's wood law? some class action thing? [23:11]
pankkake eh, they have BFL too [23:12]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0075 = 0.2025 BTC [+] [23:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03414675 = 0.4098 BTC [-] {2} [23:17]
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pankkake [23:34]
ozbot [TEASER] Multi-Key Lockboxes [23:34]
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mircea_popescu pankkake yes they were suing bfl. [23:38]
pankkake were? [23:39]
mircea_popescu !up mumu [23:39]
assbot Voicing mumu for 30 minutes. [23:39]
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kakobrekla then bfl promised them two monarchs and they took the deal. [23:39]
mike_c ThickAsThieves: thedevilwearsbitcoin is down. [23:40]
mircea_popescu pankkake [23:40]
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mircea_popescu !up Thelamarvelous1 [23:40]
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Thelamarvelous1 Hi everyone [23:44]
mike_c hello! [23:45]
Thelamarvelous1 I have a contact on here so i talk to him... but im real new here [23:45]
Thelamarvelous1 What should i know [23:46]
mike_c << a decent place to start. [23:46]
ozbot start [bitcoin assets wiki] [23:46]
mircea_popescu [23:47]
ozbot Mircea_Popescu @GlennF The consensus seems to be that your noggin ain't really w - [23:47]
mircea_popescu a fine example of educated idiocy. [23:47]
mircea_popescu why's it so hard for the inferior to do what they are told by better men in no uncertain terms ? [23:47]
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Thelamarvelous1 who wants to do what they are told All the time. That is not smart. [23:48]
ThickAsThieves <+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: thedevilwearsbitcoin is down. /// looks up to me, but that's the second downtime already... a testament to Namecheap's hosting service. [23:49]
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mircea_popescu Thelamarvelous1 how do you know ? [23:49]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves they're not known for their hosting really [23:49]
Thelamarvelous1 Because that is the plan in the first place [23:50]
ThickAsThieves all i have otherwise is a client server (all that's left of my mktg biz is the website hosting) [23:50]
ThickAsThieves so i didnt wanna worry about more servers n shit [23:50]
mike_c you might be cached. it seems down. [23:50]
Thelamarvelous1 Dumb people down then tell them what to do [23:50]
ThickAsThieves motherfucker [23:50]
kakobrekla is that fincern mining thingy worthy of wiki, if so, someone should put it there. [23:51]
pankkake Thelamarvelous1: first step would be to register with gribble [23:51]
ThickAsThieves the mining thing seems a little too obvious to be noteworthy imo [23:51]
ThickAsThieves but who knows [23:51]
kakobrekla fuck you just trying to get someone to do some work there. [23:52]
Thelamarvelous1 Tbabks... how do I do that pankkake? [23:52]
ThickAsThieves lol [23:52]
* ThickAsThieves give kako some cake [23:52]
ThickAsThieves gives* [23:52]
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pankkake Thelamarvelous1: [23:52]
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Thelamarvelous1 Thanks for the info [23:53]
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kakobrekla imma be a smartass [23:54]
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kakobrekla Thelamarvelous1 [23:54]
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jborkl_ I got a API to the site and working on a pubnub to stream in live trade data :) [23:55]
kakobrekla of what? [23:55]
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jborkl_ - changing over all my data to my databases, so I will not be pulling in outsude data and relying on that [23:56]
kakobrekla you run this? [23:56]
jborkl_ yep [23:56]
mircea_popescu hey! cake goes to my stash of uneaten cake! [23:57]
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ThickAsThieves namecheap: Roman G: What was the exact error you received? [23:58]
jborkl_ working on the pubnub- the documentation is pretty shitty so I am struggling [23:58]
ThickAsThieves motherfucker! [23:58]
ThickAsThieves my website aint loading [23:58]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves now you get to be the customer and always wrong! [23:58]
mircea_popescu what was the error code biatch! [23:58]
ThickAsThieves Roman G: The issue was reported to our technicians at once and it should be fixed now [23:59]
ThickAsThieves magical... [23:59]
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