Forum logs for 27 Dec 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu incidentally asciilifeform does bring anything to mind ? [20:07]
assbot Come see me dream math. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [20:07]
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mircea_popescu on the topic of "can irrational numbers that are powers of rational numbers be written out as polynomes with rational parameters" [20:07]
ben_vulpes good day, mircea_popescu [20:14]
mircea_popescu how goes! [20:14]
ben_vulpes well enough well enough [20:15]
ben_vulpes discovered that 0.5.3 doesn't have the create/sign raw transaction facilities :( [20:15]
ben_vulpes *or* importprivkey [20:15]
ben_vulpes what else [20:16]
ben_vulpes oh yeah the moviefication of the pynchon novel inherent vice releases next week. [20:16]
ben_vulpes unrelated but exciting [20:16]
mircea_popescu nah those were added later [20:17]
* mircea_popescu tries to remember when [20:17]
mircea_popescu prolly 6.branch [20:17]
mircea_popescu importprivkey is trivial tho, just not supported by the gui or w/e [20:17]
mircea_popescu people had been building "wallet tools" as a bundle in parallel which eventually got merged into bitcoind sometime around early 2012 [20:18]
mircea_popescu prolly would have been better if they actually became an independent project and continued separately, but beggars/ [20:18]
ben_vulpes i'm of the opinion that facilities for btc handling beyond creating and signing raw transactions are entirely unnecessary. [20:20]
mircea_popescu so you keep your btc total in head ? [20:20]
ben_vulpes not fundation policy by any stretch of the imagination, just my opinion at this point in time. [20:20]
ben_vulpes yeah, why not? or check any of the myriad blockchain explorers. [20:20]
ben_vulpes put it in a spreadsheet oslt [20:21]
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mircea_popescu it gets iffy. [20:21]
mircea_popescu at the very least you need a safe enumerator of pubkeys. [20:21]
mircea_popescu once you do that, might as well do some accounting. [20:22]
mircea_popescu once you do that, idiocy like bitcoind does with "accounts" and whatnot is a tempting step away [20:22]
ben_vulpes that's what i've seen in practice. [20:22]
ben_vulpes plus the whole "sendto" paradigm provides the opportunity for downright nefarious behavior like sending change to random addresses. [20:23]
ben_vulpes anyways we're talking reference implementation, not wallet for noobs. [20:23]
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mircea_popescu why is sending change to random addresses nefarious ? [20:26]
mircea_popescu more aptly put, if that's nefarious why do we even think bitcoin makes sense. [20:26]
ben_vulpes sorry, i'm being unclear. [20:26]
ben_vulpes the wallet model provides cover for the "no address reuse" hooliganry. [20:27]
ben_vulpes the implicit "pull new key out of keypool (creating new keypair if keypool is exhausted), send all spare coins beyond the explicitly specified mining fee to this new keypair" routine. [20:28]
ben_vulpes maybe i'm getting cranky, but the "specify all important outputs, remainder is for the miners" behavior of transaction processing should never have been papered over. [20:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4242 @ 0.00067036 = 2.8437 BTC [+] [20:29]
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mircea_popescu im not so sure that predictable behaviour is actually ideal. [20:34]
mircea_popescu what's wrong with "create 6 new addresses, split change on any tx among these 6, usingthe same number of nonzero digits as the payment" [20:34]
mircea_popescu so a 3.7566 payment out of a 3.9 btc balance becomes 3.7566 0.0992 etc [20:35]
ben_vulpes sure that's sensible. [20:36]
ben_vulpes someone could even write a script that takes an input, a config file, and a desired output to cook up the desired transaction. [20:36]
ben_vulpes which then gets signed by bitcoin, given the relevant privkey. [20:37]
mircea_popescu yeah, the address count could be user-configured [20:38]
mircea_popescu too many unsafe on weak entropy systems. then again, whith a good entropy source, 256 or 65536 could be the default. [20:38]
mircea_popescu with a 64k list one would have the following problem : the tree of following transactions 4 bits removed is... 64bit. [20:39]
mircea_popescu 4 bits removed = 4 steps removed [20:39]
ben_vulpes anyways the point i'm trying to make is that desired wallet behavior is entirely orthogonal to a thing that "bitcoinates". [20:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4649 @ 0.00065979 = 3.0674 BTC [-] [20:40]
ben_vulpes the fewer things that are included in the notion of bitcoinating, the easier it'll be for nubbins` to print and asciilifeform to read. [20:41]
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mircea_popescu no argument. [20:42]
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joecool mircea_popescu: hey, one of my sites got a pingback from trilema on christmas saying it was affected by the pingback ddos, is this still an issue in current wordpress? xmlrpc looks substantially rewritten since we initially worked around this [20:52]
mircea_popescu joecool it is yes. [20:53]
mircea_popescu lemme find you the ref [20:53]
mircea_popescu [20:53]
assbot O hai let me wanna-be! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [20:53]
mircea_popescu be so kind to leave a comment once you fix it, it'll encourage other people to do the same i believe. [20:53]
joecool mircea_popescu: thanks, we'll make a post directing to the information too [20:54]
mircea_popescu fixing teh interwebs, one inept hole at a time! [20:54]
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BingoBoingo [22:24]
assbot Bitcoin Bowl Recap: NC State Wins (34-27) | ... ( ) [22:24]
cazalla you and your smarmy comments BingoBoingo [22:36]
BingoBoingo I know. I learned comments from kakobrekla. By this time next year my soul may too become slanderous. [22:37]
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BingoBoingo !up b00lcrap [22:41]
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BingoBoingo Hello b00lcrap [22:41]
mircea_popescu lol he is pretty good with comments huh [22:42]
b00lcrap hello [22:43]
b00lcrap good day gentlemen [22:43]
b00lcrap Mr.P how is life in the southern hemisphere [22:44]
decimation ;;isitdown [22:47]
gribble is up [22:47]
decimation not for me [22:47]
b00lcrap hello BingoBango [22:47]
kakobrekla decimation its up here [22:48]
decimation log1 works fine [22:49]
kakobrekla dik. [22:49]
decimation I do get response, it's just slow [22:51]
decimation maybe some pipe filled up somewhere [22:51]
kakobrekla looks like someone from bitwin discovered bitbet comments and figured out the math [22:52]
kakobrekla dang. [22:52]
BingoBoingo Maybe increment to 38? [22:53]
b00lcrap can u tell me why someone hates bitcoin-assets so much they wish to ddos whoever joins? [22:53]
decimation b00lcrap: it's a mystery [22:54]
mircea_popescu tons of people living on welfare out there. [22:54]
mircea_popescu this means they don't have to make sense, or even consider their actions. [22:54]
b00lcrap is that why there is so much black people crime in america [22:54]
BingoBoingo b00lcrap: Don't forget methed up white people and hardworking shades of brown in between. [22:55]
decimation I'm not sure welfare is the proximate cause for black violence [22:55]
decimation witness west africa [22:55]
b00lcrap this is ture [22:55]
mircea_popescu well there's a jump, from ddosing to black violence. [22:55]
mircea_popescu what is this! [22:55]
b00lcrap you know i was watching the notebook last night and i thought wow, people were so civilized in the 50's. then i thought what culture changing event could have possibly happened to cause all of this fuckedupness. [22:55]
b00lcrap then i realized, it was the integration that happened in the 60s [22:56]
b00lcrap im feeling pretty racist [22:56]
cazalla you need to check that white privilege b00lcrap [22:57]
b00lcrap lol [22:57]
b00lcrap im not saying all black people are like that ofc not [22:57]
cazalla i think i'll take my own privilege down the bottlo and get another bottle of sambuca seeing all is quiet on the news front and BingoBoingo has taken to trolling the readers [22:57]
b00lcrap well i guess i kind of did just say they destroyed america. [22:57]
decimation b00lcrap: black people didn't destroy america, the cultural marxists who infantilized blacks and waged war on regular working people did [22:58]
b00lcrap hold on your words are too big let me google that before i respond [22:58]
decimation the 'long march through the institutions' - ever hierarchy was ripped down and replaced with a communist bureaucracy [22:59]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Not the readers, just certain sorts of commenters. [23:00]
b00lcrap does anyone here [23:01]
b00lcrap even live in the states? [23:01]
b00lcrap i mean [23:01]
b00lcrap america. [23:01]
BingoBoingo Nominally. [23:02]
* mircea_popescu thinks decimation pretty much has it [23:03]
mircea_popescu it is, after all, easier this way. [23:03]
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b00lcrap hey mircea_popescu i was curious about something, does santa still ride a sliegh down there ? [23:05]
mircea_popescu where ? [23:05]
b00lcrap in the southern hemisphere where its summer ( mostly ) [23:06]
mircea_popescu oh. they were preparing the weirdest nativity scenes earlier, with like palsm and camels and shit. [23:06]
BingoBoingo I thought in the Southern Hemisphere they just got all Krampus and no Santa [23:07]
b00lcrap lol [23:07]
b00lcrap well camels makes sense i suppose [23:07]
mircea_popescu anyways, im off for now, have fun good people! [23:07]
b00lcrap enjoy. [23:07]
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