Forum logs for 27 Apr 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
smickles yay Bitcoin! [00:09]
smickles ;;ticker [00:11]
gribble Best bid: 5.09999, Best ask: 5.1, Bid-ask spread: 9.99999999962e-06, Last trade: 5.1, 24 hour volume: 58106, 24 hour low: 4.99, 24 hour high: 5.1798 [00:11]
smickles gosh, we really didn't like sub 5, eh? [00:11]
mircea_popescu lmao [00:17]
mircea_popescu it never was under 5 past few days was it ? [00:17]
smickles wasn't it? [00:18]
mircea_popescu i dun think so [00:18]
mircea_popescu at 5.0 yes but not under. [00:18]
mircea_popescu anyway, i don't mind, i have hundreds of btc's worth of calls at 6.0 sold lol [00:18]
smickles the charts show it went under for a short while [00:19]
smickles on the 23/24 [00:19]
guruvan it hit below $5 for a bit on monday @ gox and yesterday to about $.88 @ bitstamp - [00:19]
smickles th [00:19]
guruvan $4.88 [00:19]
mod6 http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg5zig30-minztgSzbgBza1gTMAzm1g10za2gTMAzm2g25zi1gMACDzi2gWilliamRzv [00:20]
mod6 :) [00:22]
mod6 i think i saw it dip to $4.98 that one night. [00:22]
mod6 it rebounded hard after that 20k sale [00:23]
mircea_popescu aha ok. [00:23]
smickles hey, mcorlett, are you still there? [00:25]
smickles well you are an ass for not being promptly at my beck and call [00:26]
smickles ;) [00:26]
rg ;;ticker [00:35]
gribble Best bid: 5.09949, Best ask: 5.0995, Bid-ask spread: 9.99999999962e-06, Last trade: 5.0995, 24 hour volume: 58047, 24 hour low: 4.99, 24 hour high: 5.1798 [00:35]
mircea_popescu whoa day of darkness, no trades wtf. [00:41]
* deegy (5c19631a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.25.99.26) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [00:45]
* deegy has quit (Client Quit) [00:48]
* ageis_ is now known as ageis [00:52]
* JWU_42 has quit (Quit: Page closed) [00:57]
* churchill (~neo2@gateway/tor-sasl/neo2) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [01:08]
jurov lol, needs some more testing [01:16]
jurov good night [01:16]
kakobrekla nite [01:16]
* jurov is now known as jurov|away [01:17]
guruvan cheers kakobrekla [01:17]
kakobrekla ohey im not going yet [01:17]
guruvan lo [01:17]
guruvan l [01:17]
guruvan maybe I should get some more [01:17]
kakobrekla :D [01:18]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-otc-eu [10:49]
* Topic for #bitcoin-otc-eu is: Eurozone #bitcoin-otc || http://bitcoin-otc.com || Include hash tag #eu in order notes to group -eu orders. || View all tagged -eu orders here: http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?notes=%23eu || Exchange rates: !bc,convert CURRENCYCODE || GET BTC WITH ukash/paysafecard ... /msg neliskybot help || options-> http://polimedia.us/btc || bitcoin hosting -> http://bitvps.com/ [10:49]
* Topic for #bitcoin-otc-eu set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Fri Apr 20 21:40:27 2012 [10:49]
* tcatm has quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) [10:54]
* tcatm (~quassel@2001:4dd0:fb22::2) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [10:54]
* tcatm has quit (Changing host) [10:54]
* tcatm (~quassel@unaffiliated/tcatm) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [10:54]
* tcatm has quit (Client Quit) [10:54]
* tcatm (~quassel@unaffiliated/tcatm) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [10:55]
* rs6z (~rs6z@188-193-143-13-dynip.superkabel.de) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [11:01]
rs6z can someone change ukash to btc? [11:04]
Jamalaka !topic [11:24]
gribble Eurozone #bitcoin-otc || http://bitcoin-otc.com || Include hash tag #eu in order notes to group -eu orders. || View all tagged -eu orders here: http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?notes=%23eu || Exchange rates: !bc,convert CURRENCYCODE || GET BTC WITH ukash/paysafecard ... /msg neliskybot help || options-> http://polimedia.us/btc || bitcoin hosting -> http://bitvps.com/ [11:24]
Jamalaka rs6z: das war für dich, nelinsky wechselt gerne ukash in bitcoins [11:26]
rs6z thy [11:30]
rs6z thx [11:30]
* nelisky (~nelisky@a85-138-55-84.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [11:33]
* nelisky has quit (Changing host) [11:33]
* nelisky (~nelisky@unaffiliated/nelisky-/x-0749711) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [11:33]
* kinksbbx (~tonydlark@176.61.91.206) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [11:40]
* Staatsfeind (~vragnarod@unaffiliated/vragnaroda) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [11:42]
* jurov|away is now known as jurov [12:01]
* rs6z has quit (Quit: IRC webchat at http://irc2go.com/) [12:21]
mircea_popescu so, i'm offering a (free) arbitration service if anyone feels the need. [12:34]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78249.0 [12:34]
kakobrekla mornin [12:42]
mircea_popescu heya. [12:45]
kakobrekla how is it going [12:59]
* Staatsfeind has quit (Quit: Experience declares that man is the only animal which devours his own kind; for I can apply no milder term to the governments of Europe, and to the general prey of the rich on the poor.) [13:01]
mircea_popescu it is going straight up [13:02]
kakobrekla hm? [13:03]
mircea_popescu you asked how is it going [13:03]
mircea_popescu it is going straight up :D [13:03]
kakobrekla fair i guess :) [13:04]
mircea_popescu :p [13:04]
kakobrekla j trilema [13:24]
kakobrekla jeez [13:24]
mircea_popescu hm ? [13:24]
kakobrekla i missed the / [13:24]
mircea_popescu :p [13:24]
kakobrekla just wanted to verify a the single chan man statement [13:25]
mircea_popescu lol [13:34]
* BTC_Bear|hbrntng is now known as BTC_Bear [13:56]
* BTC_Bear is now known as BTC_Bear|hbrntng [13:56]
* kinksbbx has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [14:43]
mircea_popescu http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135434/Outrage-Egypt-plans-farewell-intercourse-law-husbands-sex-dead-wives-hours-AFTER-death.html << [14:57]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: (1) LOL, dailyfail (2) what she doesn't know won't hurt her (3) lol, africa [15:01]
mircea_popescu right. [15:01]
mircea_popescu still funny,. who the fuck would want to fuck a corpse. [15:01]
mircea_popescu and wtf is sex like in egypt if people would think the two comparable. [15:02]
vragnaroda Well, I honestly don't think there should be an antinecrophilia law. [15:02]
vragnaroda I just don't want to hear about it if that's your thing. [15:03]
vragnaroda That's fucking weird but there isn't a real victim. [15:04]
pigeons think of the children! [15:04]
vragnaroda Now, when the zombie apocalypse comes, that's different. [15:04]
kakobrekla wtf is happening with mpex mircea_popescu [15:11]
mircea_popescu teh bot is going a tad nuts. [15:11]
mircea_popescu working on it. [15:11]
kakobrekla at this rate [15:16]
kakobrekla you will hit 50k vol in no time [15:16]
kakobrekla ;> [15:16]
mircea_popescu lol nah [15:56]
mircea_popescu the bot started eval-ing deep out of the money options at 0 [15:56]
mircea_popescu thing is on mpex 0 means market price [15:56]
mircea_popescu so it was trading with itself like crazy. [15:56]
mircea_popescu i wiped the slate. [15:57]
mircea_popescu but incidentalyl, mpex proves it kicks butt, it was doing something like 100+ trade blocks in there lol [15:58]
mircea_popescu didn't crash or anything. [15:58]
* churchill (~neo2@gateway/tor-sasl/neo2) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [16:06]
mcorlett ;;seen markedathome [16:13]
gribble markedathome was last seen in #bitcoin-otc-eu 2 days, 0 hours, 26 minutes, and 1 second ago: mcorlett: i'll help test if it is needed within the next 4 hours [16:13]
mcorlett Where you at, Mark?! [16:33]
rg ah, his name is mark. how clever [16:35]
vragnaroda You and I are not on a first-name basis, yet, Milton. [16:36]
vragnaroda :p [16:36]
mcorlett James and I are, right? [16:36]
rg Sir, I dont believe we've yet been acquainted. [16:36]
rg However [16:36]
rg I challenge your honor [16:37]
rg I wish to engauge in fisticuffs. [16:37]
rg Queensbury rules, ofcourse [16:37]
* rg practicing to be a young enlgish gentileman [16:37]
rg gentleman* [16:37]
mcorlett english* [16:37]
* JWU_42 (180c2e5b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.12.46.91) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [16:38]
rg so [16:38]
rg do you accept my challenge or are you a coward? [16:38]
mcorlett I'll have to think about it. [16:39]
* mcorlett searches for brass knuckles on Silk Road [16:39]
rg brass nuckles vs a skilled numchuck master [16:40]
rg please [16:40]
* vragnaroda gives rg a Ma Deuce. [16:40]
vragnaroda .wik Ma Deuce [16:40]
markac "The M2 Machine Gun, Browning .50 Caliber Machine Gun, is a heavy machine gun designed towards the end of World War I by John Browning." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Deuce [16:41]
rg yeah thatll do [16:41]
* guruvan is sure that numchucks and brass knuckles are against Queesnbury rules [16:41]
rg guruvan: sir [16:41]
rg you forget yourself [16:41]
vragnaroda rg: Not really; you'd probably hurt yourself. :p [16:41]
rg dude ill tape it down [16:42]
rg i know how to use it [16:42]
vragnaroda If you don't do headspace and timing properly, you can either have the barrel just fall out when you go to use it or it could just blow up in your face. [16:42]
mcorlett http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Px0wErIeJI <- rg [16:42]
vragnaroda or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQep2nWGfBw&t=23s [16:43]
rg Swedish dogs! Your blood is tainted by generations of race mixing with Laplanders! [16:44]
guruvan dats raycyst [16:44]
vragnaroda That I know of, I have no Swedish blood. [16:45]
vragnaroda I should collect some. [16:45]
* vragnaroda plans a trip to Sweden. [16:45]
rg mcorlett might be able to find you victims [16:45]
mcorlett So much for "BitVPS Privacy Policy", huh? [16:46]
rg ? [16:46]
vragnaroda Well, he'd probably try to take mine but my superior American blood assimilates all other bloods. [16:46]
mircea_popescu I wish to engauge in fisticuffs. << lmao [16:47]
vragnaroda howdy, mircea_popescu [16:47]
mircea_popescu heya [16:48]
mircea_popescu barrel fall out, why don't they do THAT in action flicks [16:48]
mcorlett Sorry, Viking blood is by far superior to your American water. [16:48]
mircea_popescu i'd enjoy them more [16:48]
rg viking funerals are pretty bad ass [16:48]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: Because the action flicks don't show dumbasses that don't know how to maintain their weapons. Action flicks usually show *competent* soldiers. [16:49]
mircea_popescu riiiight [16:49]
mircea_popescu people who run under fire and shoot smg's from both hands [16:49]
mircea_popescu ARE COMPETENT SOLDIERS. [16:49]
mcorlett Competent enough to run under fire and shoot smg's from both hands, apparently. [16:49]
mircea_popescu these skills are unsoldierly. [16:50]
rg ive seen a girl shoot a machine gun leg [16:50]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: Well, competent was too strong a word there. Knowledgeable (even if stupid/suicidal) [16:50]
mircea_popescu they're actionflickheroy. [16:50]
mircea_popescu right. and then they fire high powered rifles indoors with no ear protection and fail to bleed [16:50]
rg http://mimg.ugo.com/200711/23242/machine-gun-leg.jpg [16:51]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: I've never seen someone shooting M2s with both hands, even in action flicks, either. [16:51]
mircea_popescu recoil be damned rg [16:51]
vragnaroda I have, however, seen an idiot shooting M240Bs with both hands. [16:51]
mircea_popescu a competeny actionflicker shoots m2's with their pubes [16:51]
vragnaroda lol [16:51]
mircea_popescu then the ppl watching these most informative tracts go to shooting ranges and nigh on kill themselves [16:52]
vragnaroda (This was with blanks and with special sensors on everything/everyone to say when it was 'hit' and I was supposed to be his RTO but he was acting like an idiot so I fragged him.) [16:53]
mircea_popescu lmao the flag knifes you, you lose capture the flag game :D [16:54]
rg omg netzero is back [16:54]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: Actually, at the end of that week-long exercise, I was the only one in my platoon left 'alive.' [16:54]
mircea_popescu sneaky fuck eh ? [16:55]
vragnaroda Well, when they're not shooting real bullets or using real explosives, it's easier to be sneaky on your own. [16:56]
mircea_popescu wait a second [16:56]
mircea_popescu isn't the fn fag something like 25 lbs ? [16:56]
mircea_popescu he actually held two ? [16:56]
vragnaroda 27.6 lbs [16:57]
vragnaroda That guy basically lived in the gym. [16:57]
mircea_popescu he must have. [16:58]
vragnaroda Most incompetent NCO ever, though. [16:59]
mircea_popescu maybwe he just figured he's a meatshield [16:59]
mircea_popescu did your paladins have rez ? [16:59]
vragnaroda Huh? [16:59]
mircea_popescu you know... [16:59]
* BTC_Bear|hbrntng is now known as BTC_Bear [17:00]
mircea_popescu http://www.alt-market.com/articles/733-has-america-been-crippled-by-intellectual-idiots [17:07]
mircea_popescu i lolld. [17:07]
mircea_popescu How could anyone possibly sustain themselves on a diet of congealing fantasy, and personal inadequacy? The intellectual life bears other fruits as well. Where it lacks in substance, it makes up for in ego, proving that being educated is not necessarily the same as being intelligent. [17:12]
vragnaroda lol [17:20]
jurov for me a bit unintelligible article and shrouded in "-isms" [17:20]
jurov imho american universities were built mostly on shoulders of hard working immigrants.. now there isn't so many of them, things are falling apart [17:20]
mircea_popescu that's an interesting theory... [17:21]
mircea_popescu course all of us is build on hard working immigrants, from day 1 [17:21]
jurov yes, but i mean - if the majority of academic staff are people who never went outside their local cultural circle, it's natural they are limited [17:22]
vragnaroda Well, usually the term theory is restricted to a proposition that can be true with the available evidence and that isn't. [17:22]
vragnaroda If anything, more professional academics in the U.S. today are immigrants than ever before. [17:23]
mircea_popescu i just used it to denote a proposition that may be true or false but it's not immediately evident which is the case. [17:23]
vragnaroda I think it used to be the case that more of them were sons of immigrants but were not themselves immigrants. [17:24]
mircea_popescu i really think the immigrant status has precious little to do. [17:24]
mircea_popescu i think the cogent point is the dole [17:24]
vragnaroda Yeah, I don't think it's relevant. [17:24]
mircea_popescu more people today than ever expect to pay their college debt with govt money. [17:24]
vragnaroda There is no fucking reason why people should go into debt in America to pay for higher education. [17:25]
mircea_popescu back in 1962 some guy going to med school was expecting to pay back the debt with money from the people he treated. [17:25]
mircea_popescu today he expects to go into a state-sponsored clinic. [17:26]
vragnaroda (1) There are so many fucking government programs to pay for it for you and (2) go get a fucking job. [17:26]
mircea_popescu myea. [17:26]
mircea_popescu btw, vragnaroda : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2011/terifiantul-oribilul-adevar-despre-venitul-suplimentar-asigurat/ [17:26]
mircea_popescu the original english is the 1st link in there [17:26]
vragnaroda rofl [17:28]
vragnaroda I'm still not reading anything on naturalnews.com though. [17:28]
mircea_popescu where is that ? [17:29]
mircea_popescu o, the comments. [17:29]
mircea_popescu well, comment section on my blog much approaches 4chan. [17:29]
vragnaroda lol [17:29]
mircea_popescu then again the entire bruhaha is misplaced, i don't know anyone ofany import that still cares about college. [17:31]
mircea_popescu there's fucken quants now that never actually went to school. [17:31]
mircea_popescu that'd have been impossible even a decade ago. [17:31]
vragnaroda Higher education is mostly signaling. [17:33]
vragnaroda It's saying "hi, I can show up 40% of the time because I got my Pell grant and I have decent hygiene." [17:34]
jurov in other news - in germany there is Ibrahim Abou Nagi, leader of radical islamist sect... and also receiver of 1900 eur/month or unemployment benefits [17:34]
mircea_popescu lol sorta. [17:34]
vragnaroda The latter point, not always so much. [17:34]
mircea_popescu jurov : sorta like obama's grama ? [17:34]
BTC_Bear Funny story: I had an EE from Vanderbilt or such, come onto a team. He had to grab a mop and clean the floor. He valued his degree over his ability to work effectively with a team. He was replaced by a guy from ITT tech. [17:34]
jurov obamas'grama is sect leader? [17:35]
mircea_popescu BTC_Bear : mmm, i wouldn't work in a place that can't afford a cleanning lady. [17:35]
mircea_popescu haha, check this out : What are the biggest concerns and challenges today in the quant trading world? [17:35]
mircea_popescu Wilmott: People really do not understand much about risk management and derivatives at all. People are very confused about the basic concepts. They think they understand something, and they don't. You see people using these complex instruments and quite frankly, they don't have a clue about the basic risk management of these things. [17:35]
vragnaroda jurov: Didn't you know his family're all Muslim terrorist socialist Kenyan Zionists? [17:35]
BTC_Bear mircea_popescu: the job paid > 100K [17:36]
BTC_Bear but ok, you're out [17:36]
mircea_popescu mk. [17:36]
mircea_popescu weirdo hazing job lol. i guess he could have put an ad in the paper for an mopping assistant [17:36]
mircea_popescu i don't think i'd have bothered, but just maybe. [17:36]
jurov oh, did obama's grandma actually requested enactment of sharia law or that non-moslims go to hell? [17:37]
mircea_popescu actually, iirc correctly the woman did, jurov [17:37]
jurov i should start watching fox [17:37]
jurov i'm hopelessly behind [17:38]
mircea_popescu i don't think it was actually his grama tho, maybe some aunt ? lettuce dig. [17:38]
mircea_popescu a, there we go : http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=obama+aunt&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQHoAuk76fT8&ei=aq-aT_f-C4SL4gTgxvC_Dw&usg=AFQjCNGls-2qZBYbBuM8CVlEKmFFyBytJg [17:38]
vragnaroda jurov: *Fox News (it's a completely different network from Fox) and most of the time, you really can't tell the difference between them and the others (other than by the logos). Their commentators are the ones that are out there but I don't think they're particularly worse. [17:39]
mircea_popescu i like all the bs tracking google ads on links nao. [17:40]
mircea_popescu asshats. [17:40]
vragnaroda lmfao @ that video [17:41]
mircea_popescu :p [17:41]
mircea_popescu but yes, that video is a fine example of "press" asshollery at it's finest. [17:42]
vragnaroda "If I come here as an immigrant, you have an obligation to make me a citizen." <-- OK, fuck off and die already, please. [17:43]
mircea_popescu shuddup and make me a horse. [17:43]
mircea_popescu as if anyone can make anyone else a citizen ffs. [17:43]
jurov wtf? she's run of the mill illegal immigrant [17:47]
mircea_popescu there's a mill of these ? [17:47]
vragnaroda No, not even close. [17:47]
mircea_popescu BOMB IT [17:47]
vragnaroda Most illegal immigrants in the U.S. aren't welfare queens. [17:47]
mircea_popescu actually from my (limited) experience illegals in the us are sharply divided in two types. in the south they're subsistance wage earners, and work pretty hard. in the ny-boston area they're small timers trying to make whatever grocery stand work. [17:48]
jurov anyway, all wealth redistribution systems are unfair. but we can't not have the. [17:51]
jurov *them [17:52]
mircea_popescu sure we can. [17:52]
mircea_popescu and they can be perfectly fair as long as they're voluntary. [17:52]
mircea_popescu congress wants to dole money, it can take it out of the congressmen's own property. [17:52]
jurov in old rome they had something like that. but it got corrupt over time anyway [17:55]
mircea_popescu in old us they had something like that, i don't recall the exact name [17:56]
mircea_popescu maybe it was davey crockett ? [17:56]
BTC_Bear lol, in the old days welfare was the 'river' and the 'woods'. [17:56]
mircea_popescu aha, found it [17:57]
mircea_popescu http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/ellis1.html [17:57]
mircea_popescu it was crockett [17:57]
jurov anyway, as we are pushing forward and replacing more and more of work by machines and computers, people over some intelligence threshold are not employable(unless the accept very low wage) [17:58]
jurov i really don't see how this could be solved by voluntary donations alone [17:58]
jurov especially if you seem to hate them so much [17:59]
jurov oh, i meant "under some threshold" [17:59]
vragnaroda lolwut [18:00]
mircea_popescu they can either make themselves pleasant to those who are over [18:00]
mircea_popescu or else curl in a ball and die. [18:00]
vragnaroda No, as more and more machines do work, the more work there is to do that no one's had the time to fucking do before. [18:00]
mircea_popescu im certainly not paying anyone anything because they were born and thus "have a right". [18:00]
vragnaroda There's *always* work that needs to be done. [18:01]
mircea_popescu at the very least this cock ain't sucking itself. [18:01]
jurov okay, tomorrow i go to visit my parents. they fall into this category. so i'm gonna tell them to curl in a ball and die [18:01]
jurov nice [18:01]
mircea_popescu well, you want me to pay for your parents ? [18:01]
mircea_popescu don't be a bum, give them some money. [18:01]
mircea_popescu how is it my problem ? [18:01]
mircea_popescu and why don't they have their own money in the first place ? [18:02]
jurov fortunately they do, they are working menial jobs in govt sector [18:03]
BTC_Bear lol, that is the Redistribution of Wealth Protocol. Give me the money so I can redistribute it, thnx. ah... was I supposed to do something with this money. [18:05]
mircea_popescu pretty much BTC_Bear [18:05]
jurov but many other ppl like them are long-time unemployed and their children are glad they don't have to fully support them because there is govt support [18:05]
mircea_popescu jurov their children are thus idiots. [18:05]
jurov why? overall it's working quite well. [18:06]
jurov only ones that are complaining are people with higher income [18:06]
mircea_popescu ... [18:07]
vragnaroda See, my mom was smart. She outlived two husbands but had six kids. :p [18:07]
mircea_popescu jurov, suppose i gauge your eye out and say it works alright, you're the only one complaining ? [18:07]
mircea_popescu wtf braindamaged argument is that. [18:07]
* vragnaroda gouges jurov's eye out. [18:07]
mircea_popescu ofcourse everyone stealing enjoys the theft and only the stolen from complain. wtf. [18:07]
guruvan the only people complaining are those w/ higher income? not [18:08]
mircea_popescu vragnaroda is such a grammer naxi. [18:08]
vragnaroda jurov: Fwiw, I will complain about anyone paying an income tax over 3% or so, regardless of how much I make or have to pay in taxes. [18:09]
mircea_popescu how did you get to the pipercent ? [18:10]
jurov well then, explain me your idea better. because only thing i see are angry mobs without future living in favelas that everyone denied any help to [18:10]
* tcatm has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [18:10]
jurov that' like having both eyes gouged out [18:10]
* tcatm (~quassel@unaffiliated/tcatm) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [18:10]
mircea_popescu jurov : my ideea is simply that whatever anyone makes is his, and what he gives he gives of that as he sees fit. that's all and i don't see that more's needed. [18:10]
guruvan I complain about social security, regardless of my income level [18:10]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: Well, if it ever actually gets that low, I'd probably lower it, but that seems tolerable. [18:11]
mircea_popescu lmao i see. [18:11]
mircea_popescu so i take it you actually account to your finances within a roughly 3% precision, is it ? [18:11]
vragnaroda Well, SS is just a giant ponzi scheme. 1 cent going into that is an abomination. [18:11]
guruvan I got a deal or two for ya then vragnaroda :D [18:11]
jurov you are able to get this income only because the govt supported your education and health care, your mother was able to rear you without stress, etc... nobody got rich alone [18:12]
mircea_popescu jurov : false. [18:12]
mircea_popescu i can claim that you only exist cause i pissed at the root of a cherry tree. [18:12]
mircea_popescu i don't see what such ridiculous claims can accomplish. [18:12]
vragnaroda You think the government reduces stress for a single mother with six kids? [18:12]
vragnaroda lol [18:12]
guruvan I get my income because my PARENTS supported my education. And health care. With plenty of stress. [18:12]
mircea_popescu vragnaroda "id't be worse w/o it!!!" [18:12]
jurov i am talking about mircea, in romania there was free education, health care and maternal leave [18:13]
jurov but he probably depises it [18:13]
guruvan I would [18:13]
vragnaroda lol @ free [18:13]
guruvan free MY ASS - the government doesn't have any money [18:14]
vragnaroda Free is when someone else pays for it on threat of being shot by you or people doing your bidding. [18:14]
guruvan they take it from the people (and take a cut) [18:14]
mircea_popescu its so strange to me, how'd people end up with the notion "the government" did anything ? [18:16]
mircea_popescu it;'s a fucking figment of the imagination, it's not like it shits gold or something. [18:17]
jurov yeah, go on. hate government. hate people who get some advantage of it. hate hate hate [18:17]
mircea_popescu the average duck produces more value than the best run government. [18:17]
guruvan people exif it did it's because the people fed it [18:17]
mircea_popescu i don't hate, i just keep my fences in good repair. [18:17]
guruvan it's not a matter of HATE, it's a matter of them WAsTING everything we produce [18:17]
guruvan I don't like to see WASTE, and that's what government entitlements DO [18:18]
guruvan that's WHY EUROPE IS BROKE! [18:18]
guruvan I just don't understand how people can think that the government is gonna solve their problems [18:19]
guruvan Hello? The government is YOU [18:19]
guruvan the governement can only solve problems YOU can solve [18:19]
guruvan why not cut out the fucking middleman, and cut the waste and actually solve a problem or two? [18:20]
guruvan how is that hate?! [18:20]
jurov if you are 100% sure everyone can solve their problems without any help (i don't mean curling up and dying), good for you [18:22]
jurov otherwise if not, we will inevitably end up having something like govt, that's human nature [18:23]
vragnaroda jurov: No one's 100% sure of that and no one said that. [18:23]
jurov you everyone know that and it mak3es you rage [18:23]
vragnaroda Instead, what we have is a bunch of asshats with power and money they stole saying "hey, we're making everything better." [18:23]
mircea_popescu i don't get this everyone point. [18:23]
mircea_popescu who said "everyone" needs to have their problems solved ? [18:23]
mircea_popescu fuck that shit. [18:23]
* guruvan just doesn't fucking understand socialists [18:23]
mircea_popescu they who can solve their problems get their problems solved. the rest keep on trying. it's life. [18:24]
mircea_popescu do you understand how that "everyone" stand promotes laziness jurov ? [18:24]
mircea_popescu why would i even bother to get out of bed ? let your government come and make me a pot of rice. [18:24]
* vragnaroda pisses in mircea_popescu's rice pot. [18:25]
mircea_popescu it's not mine, it's the gubinment and you'd better not mess with the gubinment's rice [18:25]
vragnaroda I don't know what the fuck that's supposed to mean. [18:26]
jurov no, you promote laziness. if one doesn't see any way to get help then, why bother trying? they stay lazy [18:26]
mircea_popescu lmao. [18:26]
vragnaroda Is this heading towards a "corporations aren't people but governments are" tirade? [18:26]
mircea_popescu jurov : hunger should be a good enough stimulent. [18:26]
mircea_popescu vragnaroda : hm ? [18:26]
vragnaroda If so, that'd really emphasize the -eu in the channel name. [18:26]
jurov no, i *do* think that corporations and governments are flawed. but i also think they are inevitable [18:27]
guruvan nothing is inevitable besides death [18:27]
mircea_popescu i happen to think they are doomed. [18:27]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: You attributed possession to gubinment as though it were something that could actually possess something. [18:27]
vragnaroda it's a bit odd. [18:27]
jurov mircea_popescu: hunger usually stimulates violence [18:27]
mircea_popescu vragnaroda : i was being sarcastic over 9000 [18:27]
jurov not anything constructive [18:27]
vragnaroda Yes, I figured that; I was just extending that. [18:27]
mircea_popescu jurov that's ok, i can shoot straighter than the lazy, the hungry and the stupid [18:27]
mircea_popescu and actually feel like it, too. [18:28]
mircea_popescu when's this violence ? [18:28]
vragnaroda I have seen hungry people and they just don't have the energy to become violent. [18:28]
vragnaroda The prehungry can get violent, but they can also be industrious. [18:28]
mircea_popescu prehungry lol [18:28]
vragnaroda Industriousness can be directed more productively. [18:28]
mircea_popescu that's a kickass concept. The Prehungry Republic. [18:28]
guruvan jurov: I've been hungry a few times in my life - it didn't cause me to act VIOLENT! It caused me to bust ass and make some friggin changes and make some money [18:29]
guruvan hunger does not beget violence [18:29]
vragnaroda guruvan: [18:29]
mircea_popescu i find it very funny that people attempt to scare the independent with the things that scare the dependent. who the fuck cares about "violence" ffs. [18:29]
vragnaroda Well, this notion that people are evil without a government to tell them what to do is just risible. [18:30]
mircea_popescu next in line is "if the school isn't run by toddlers the toddlers will hold their breath!!!1" [18:30]
guruvan I think that's really the main difference - independence and dependence [18:30]
guruvan I do not depend on others to take care of me [18:31]
vragnaroda Governments exist to promote common interests, not to change them. [18:31]
mircea_popescu "Governments exist to promote common interests, not to create them." < Fify. [18:31]
mircea_popescu bitcoin being a point in case. if it weren't for the dumbass welfare state we wouldn't likely be here. [18:32]
jurov this is nice ideal, but it was never the truth [18:32]
jurov never [18:32]
vragnaroda What? [18:32]
mircea_popescu it was at the very least during the old roman republic, during the old greek republics [18:32]
mircea_popescu as well as at some point in the 1700s in the us. [18:32]
mircea_popescu many more examples dot the historical countryside. [18:33]
vragnaroda Also, we should bring back slavery. [18:33]
mircea_popescu in short, it was always the case when people weren't predominantly stupid and lazy as a matter of course. [18:33]
jurov i swa that coming [18:33]
jurov *saw [18:33]
vragnaroda Slavery's a lot cheaper than maintaining prisons. :D [18:33]
mircea_popescu vragnaroda : i already have. it's quite quaint :D [18:33]
vragnaroda :) [18:33]
vragnaroda (A lot cheaper to disinterested parties, anyway.) [18:34]
* guruvan has cash for some slaves! [18:34]
mircea_popescu i was gonna say, haliburton is doing ok with the prison complex. [18:34]
jurov okay, so we need to find some pandora-like planet where you can immigrate and fullfill your ideals [18:34]
mircea_popescu the only people who are complaining about prisons costs are the ones not benefiting from the expenditure. [18:34]
vragnaroda Did that already when leaving Africa. [18:34]
mircea_popescu no jurov. you need to find some pandora-like planet where your socialist utopia isn't doomed. [18:35]
vragnaroda Then did it again when leaving Asia for Europe. [18:35]
vragnaroda Then did it again when leaving Europe for North America. [18:35]
mircea_popescu cause i tell you, with the latest tech coming out it's the end of welfare. i don't see myself paying tax on bitcoin, and i don't see myself even trying to make money outside of bitcoin anymore. [18:35]
jurov and it was doomed every time as well [18:35]
mircea_popescu i'm guessing this point is then sufficiently parlayed. [18:36]
mircea_popescu to arms, as the old saying goes. [18:36]
* mod6 watches -eu arm wrestling matches [18:37]
jurov the point i am trying to come across is, why is everyone so sticking to their ideals and labeling everyone else, instead of trying to understand how we work? [18:37]
jurov even i got labeled as socialist, lol [18:37]
vragnaroda Should I call you a grape instead? [18:38]
mircea_popescu there's a dole.gov : http://www.dole.gov.ph/ [18:38]
jurov mircea_popescu, everything got taxed eventually. you have a pipe dream. [18:39]
guruvan how can you not get labeled as a socialist when you're promotiing socialism? [18:39]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: The Philippines are cool, though, in one sense: they (like the U.S.) have bounty hunters, which saves taxpayers a lot of money. [18:39]
mircea_popescu jurov me and this here pipe are in teh mood to cause trouble. do you have any tea handy anywhere ? [18:39]
jurov i am not promoting anything. i am just saying that human nature cuses inevitability of government, in some form. [18:40]
jurov you can't argue with that, sou you rather call me socialist [18:40]
mircea_popescu lol i thought ph had pirates. [18:40]
mircea_popescu no jurov, one can't argue with that cause it's not an argument [18:40]
vragnaroda They've got that, too. [18:40]
mircea_popescu it's some silly decal. "all life is a circle". bs. [18:40]
jurov exactly [18:40]
mircea_popescu well so then what argument do you expect past it being called bs ? [18:41]
guruvan you're also saying that the inevitable government should TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE'S PROBLEMS [18:41]
mircea_popescu in fairness that may be an esl problem guruvan [18:41]
jurov yes, that was my second argument, that nobody can solve their problems alone [18:41]
mircea_popescu jurov : that's what the market isfor. [18:41]
guruvan I fundamentally disagree with that. [18:41]
mircea_popescu to negotiate solutions to common problems. [18:41]
guruvan I solve my own problems. So can others [18:42]
vragnaroda Ew, I guess they took some Yurpean nonsense, though: "(C) 2009, Department of Labor and Employment" [18:42]
vragnaroda fucking government holding copyright, jesus titty-fucking christ [18:42]
mircea_popescu i wish some state had a sarcastic public institution naming scheme. [18:42]
mircea_popescu the ministry of diddly squat. [18:42]
mircea_popescu the high authority for bothering people. [18:43]
guruvan Dept of Actually Getting Shit Done :D [18:43]
guruvan heh [18:43]
mircea_popescu that'd be super-sarcastic. [18:43]
mircea_popescu actually a government worth its salt would trademark copyright. [18:44]
vragnaroda lol [18:44]
vragnaroda That's one thing I like about the U.S. government: its works are in the public fucking domain. [18:44]
* guruvan buys an island to implement that killer idea [18:44]
mircea_popescu vragnaroda : in honesty, i don't think the ph govt understands the difference [18:45]
jurov did anyone actually prove that free market can solve all problems? [18:45]
mircea_popescu this is just something they thought goes on websites. [18:45]
vragnaroda lol [18:45]
mircea_popescu jurov that's again a decal. [18:45]
mircea_popescu nobody has yet proven all numbers can in fact be added, either. [18:46]
jurov sorry i formulated it wrong [18:46]
mircea_popescu (that "formulated" made me lol irl) [18:46]
guruvan jurov: ask a lion, or a bear who solves his problems. - that's how the world REALLY works [18:46]
mircea_popescu lions and bears ?! o my. [18:47]
jurov we are apes, not lions and bears [18:47]
vragnaroda fuck you, i'm a lion [18:47]
guruvan so ask a frigging gorilla, or baboon [18:47]
vragnaroda *rawr* [18:47]
jurov and apes do use society for their problems [18:47]
mircea_popescu "fuck you, i'm a dragon". [18:47]
vragnaroda :D [18:47]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39MU-g5jYzA [18:48]
vragnaroda jurov: They don't depend on strangers. [18:48]
g0tch4 get to dragon walking --- http://gizmodo.com/5905153/skywalking-russian-teens-risk-death-for-daredevil-photos [18:48]
vragnaroda Also, bears are social, too. [18:48]
mircea_popescu some bears are also gay. [18:48]
* g0tch4 lol [18:49]
mircea_popescu . “Fuck you, I’m a Dragon” became the defensive cry of many of the Dragon otherkin in the debate. is turning into fucking wikipedia. [18:49]
guruvan social doesn't mean they're depending on their entire "society" to save their asses. We, on the other hand, seem to be headed that direction, and it is currently becoming ourtr downfall. [18:49]
mircea_popescu its not "many", its one specific idiot. [18:49]
guruvan Again, this is why europe and the US are quickly becoming broke [18:49]
g0tch4 the wants of the many outway the wants of the few [18:50]
mircea_popescu becoming as in what's that mean ? [18:50]
mircea_popescu g0tch4 : property is above anyone;'s wants. [18:50]
g0tch4 property is a possesion not a want. [18:50]
jurov there were panics and crashes, in the era of golden standard and laisses-faire govts of 1800s [18:50]
g0tch4 but i agree with yah [18:50]
jurov so i am not convinced it is caused by social security whasoever [18:51]
vragnaroda *gold standard [18:51]
mircea_popescu jurov there panics and crashes, but they were panics and crashes of the various private citizens and corporations. [18:52]
mircea_popescu now the entire state is going under, and that's that. [18:52]
vragnaroda There was never laissez-faire government and a gold standard (a) didn't really exist for most of the period people claim it did and (b) is irrelevant to the point we've been making and (c) would contradict laissez-faire. [18:52]
vragnaroda The panics and crashes after they said fuck all that, though, have been much worse. [18:53]
* guruvan heads off for more caffeine [18:53]
jurov well, that supports my point - your ideal did never exist and never will [18:53]
* mircea_popescu shrugs. so it never will, you say. no problem then. [18:54]
jurov mark my words. soon someone will come with clever way to extract taxes from bitcoin [18:54]
mircea_popescu wager on that ? [18:54]
guruvan LOL [18:55]
vragnaroda If your point is that the world isn't perfect, you didn't need to go through all that bullshit to get to it. [18:55]
jurov no. i want you to undersand why the govt is the way it is and try to make it better. not reject it completely [18:55]
mircea_popescu should i de-mark your words nao ? [18:55]
jurov lol, feel free as you wish [18:56]
mircea_popescu ... [18:56]
vragnaroda The things you claim would make it better make it worse. [18:56]
* vragnaroda plans a move to Somalia. [18:56]
guruvan PIRATES! [18:56]
jurov okay, fair opinion. [18:56]
mircea_popescu people don't understand public speech anymore. dude. if you say mark my words and i offer you a wager, you either eat crow or come up with a wager. [18:56]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: No, feel free. 1 BTC or 55842701328741034810 BTC, it's up to you. [18:57]
mircea_popescu right. [18:57]
guruvan put that sucker up on betsofbitcoin! [18:57]
jurov oh, in fact, i think this already happened. or is there a place i can trade for example securities for bitcoins freely? certainly not mpex [18:58]
mircea_popescu ... [18:58]
mircea_popescu wait, what ?! [18:58]
mircea_popescu wtf just happened here lmao [18:59]
vragnaroda freespeechly, not freebeerly [18:59]
vragnaroda ;) [18:59]
guruvan that made no sense? [18:59]
mircea_popescu this is like... there's no shop where you can get free dildoes for bitcoin. [18:59]
mircea_popescu therefore all arguments are invalid + 2 [18:59]
guruvan BITCOIN SUX then! [19:00]
guruvan lol [19:00]
jurov heh [19:00]
mircea_popescu it's a pyramid [19:00]
guruvan when are people going to realize there isn't anything free in the world, except your own mind. [19:01]
mircea_popescu my mind isn't free! [19:01]
mircea_popescu it's fucken full. [19:01]
guruvan free as in beer, not disk space :D [19:02]
guruvan wait...software [19:02]
guruvan wut? [19:02]
jurov mircea, there will be pressure for ability to move stocks to another exchanges, this can be certainly done in decentralized fashion [19:02]
* guruvan really needs more caffeine now [19:02]
jurov but it will need infrastructure, hence some means to support it, hence something resembling taxes [19:03]
mircea_popescu http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4878 this btw is pretty funny. [19:03]
vragnaroda lolwut [19:03]
mircea_popescu As his motorcade rolled up a rural country road, suddenly Jessie Jackson, sitting next to the Messiah, noticed a man plowing his field along side of the road. [19:03]
g0tch4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3w2MTXBebg&feature=youtu.be [19:04]
mircea_popescu jurov : problem with stocks is this : i won't accept symbols that aren't vetted. otherwise PUSH is free. [19:04]
jurov so i can push things from glbse? [19:05]
mircea_popescu "things" no. i have a dim regard of the vast majority of the symbols on glbse as well as their general listing process. [19:06]
mircea_popescu some you can, yes. gigavps bond for instance. [19:06]
jurov ok, so this is solved, then [19:07]
mircea_popescu apparently ? [19:11]
jurov wat? [19:14]
mcorlett lol [19:16]
mircea_popescu apparently this problem that i wasn't aware existed is solved. [19:21]
jurov yeah, i solve such problems often [19:50]
mircea_popescu cool hehe [20:16]
kakobrekla lo [20:17]
kakobrekla l [20:17]
g0tch4 http://www.beaconequity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NPD-Chart.jpg [20:26]
g0tch4 wtf [20:26]
g0tch4 http://www.profitspi.com/stock-chart.aspx?id=SEFE&wl=y [20:28]
g0tch4 i understand why the latter spiked, not the first [20:28]
mircea_popescu jesus christ the monthly reports for mpoe are getting so complex [20:38]
* churchill has quit (Quit: Leaving) [20:47]
* ageis has quit (Quit: http://ageispolis.net) [21:20]
* ageis (kevin@ageispolis.net) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [21:21]
* PsychoticBoy (5ed180ca@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.209.128.202) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [21:59]
* nefario (~nefario@92.40.253.251.threembb.co.uk) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [22:00]
* kinksbbx (~tonydlark@176.61.91.206) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [22:03]
* sytse has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [22:04]
* sytse (sytse@swielinga.nl) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [22:04]
* bitfoo (~bitfoo@unaffiliated/bitfoo) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [22:12]
kakobrekla !bc,convert eur [22:18]
gribble 1 BTC = 5.09991 U.S. dollars = 3.86122804 Euros [22:18]
* churchill (~neo2@gateway/tor-sasl/neo2) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [22:20]
* churchill has quit (Client Quit) [22:23]
rg ;;seen draco49 [22:35]
gribble draco49 was last seen in #bitcoin-otc-eu 3 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: they's a legendary music group [22:35]
rg oh man [22:35]
rg who pissed off draco now [22:35]
mcorlett He needs to stop disappearing. [22:54]
* Gaglia (~gaglia@drms-590ecd3f.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu [22:55]
* Gaglia has quit (Quit: Gaglia) [23:13]
mircea_popescu im so bored i'm reviewing old porn movies ;/ [23:39]
mcorlett what [23:40]
mircea_popescu calamity jane (1998) [23:40]
mircea_popescu you seen it ? [23:40]
mcorlett Yeah... No. No, Mircea, I haven't. [23:42]
mircea_popescu didn't miss out much [23:43]
mircea_popescu the dialogue is hysterical tho [23:43]
Azelphur calamity jane isn't a porn movie? [23:44]
mircea_popescu you're thinking a diff one. [23:45]
Azelphur *shrug* [23:45]
* kinksbbx has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [23:46]
smickles mcorlett: I was curious about the progress on that minecraft thing you mentioned [23:58]
Category: Logs
Comments feed : RSS 2.0. Leave your own comment below, or send a trackback.
Add your cents! »
    If this is your first comment, it will wait to be approved. This usually takes a few hours. Subsequent comments are not delayed.