Forum logs for 27 Apr 2012
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
smickles | yay Bitcoin! | [00:09] |
smickles | ;;ticker | [00:11] |
gribble | Best bid: 5.09999, Best ask: 5.1, Bid-ask spread: 9.99999999962e-06, Last trade: 5.1, 24 hour volume: 58106, 24 hour low: 4.99, 24 hour high: 5.1798 | [00:11] |
smickles | gosh, we really didn't like sub 5, eh? | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | lmao | [00:17] |
mircea_popescu | it never was under 5 past few days was it ? | [00:17] |
smickles | wasn't it? | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | i dun think so | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | at 5.0 yes but not under. | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, i don't mind, i have hundreds of btc's worth of calls at 6.0 sold lol | [00:18] |
smickles | the charts show it went under for a short while | [00:19] |
smickles | on the 23/24 | [00:19] |
guruvan | it hit below $5 for a bit on monday @ gox and yesterday to about $.88 @ bitstamp - | [00:19] |
smickles | th | [00:19] |
guruvan | $4.88 | [00:19] |
mod6 | http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg5zig30-minztgSzbgBza1gTMAzm1g10za2gTMAzm2g25zi1gMACDzi2gWilliamRzv | [00:20] |
mod6 | :) | [00:22] |
mod6 | i think i saw it dip to $4.98 that one night. | [00:22] |
mod6 | it rebounded hard after that 20k sale | [00:23] |
mircea_popescu | aha ok. | [00:23] |
smickles | hey, mcorlett, are you still there? | [00:25] |
smickles | well you are an ass for not being promptly at my beck and call | [00:26] |
smickles | ;) | [00:26] |
rg | ;;ticker | [00:35] |
gribble | Best bid: 5.09949, Best ask: 5.0995, Bid-ask spread: 9.99999999962e-06, Last trade: 5.0995, 24 hour volume: 58047, 24 hour low: 4.99, 24 hour high: 5.1798 | [00:35] |
mircea_popescu | whoa day of darkness, no trades wtf. | [00:41] |
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jurov | lol, needs some more testing | [01:16] |
jurov | good night | [01:16] |
kakobrekla | nite | [01:16] |
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guruvan | cheers kakobrekla | [01:17] |
kakobrekla | ohey im not going yet | [01:17] |
guruvan | lo | [01:17] |
guruvan | l | [01:17] |
guruvan | maybe I should get some more | [01:17] |
kakobrekla | :D | [01:18] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-otc-eu | [10:49] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-otc-eu is: Eurozone #bitcoin-otc || http://bitcoin-otc.com || Include hash tag #eu in order notes to group -eu orders. || View all tagged -eu orders here: http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?notes=%23eu || Exchange rates: !bc,convert CURRENCYCODE || GET BTC WITH ukash/paysafecard ... /msg neliskybot help || options-> http://polimedia.us/btc || bitcoin hosting -> http://bitvps.com/ | [10:49] |
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rs6z | can someone change ukash to btc? | [11:04] |
Jamalaka | !topic | [11:24] |
gribble | Eurozone #bitcoin-otc || http://bitcoin-otc.com || Include hash tag #eu in order notes to group -eu orders. || View all tagged -eu orders here: http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?notes=%23eu || Exchange rates: !bc,convert CURRENCYCODE || GET BTC WITH ukash/paysafecard ... /msg neliskybot help || options-> http://polimedia.us/btc || bitcoin hosting -> http://bitvps.com/ | [11:24] |
Jamalaka | rs6z: das war für dich, nelinsky wechselt gerne ukash in bitcoins | [11:26] |
rs6z | thy | [11:30] |
rs6z | thx | [11:30] |
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mircea_popescu | so, i'm offering a (free) arbitration service if anyone feels the need. | [12:34] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78249.0 | [12:34] |
kakobrekla | mornin | [12:42] |
mircea_popescu | heya. | [12:45] |
kakobrekla | how is it going | [12:59] |
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mircea_popescu | it is going straight up | [13:02] |
kakobrekla | hm? | [13:03] |
mircea_popescu | you asked how is it going | [13:03] |
mircea_popescu | it is going straight up :D | [13:03] |
kakobrekla | fair i guess :) | [13:04] |
mircea_popescu | :p | [13:04] |
kakobrekla | j trilema | [13:24] |
kakobrekla | jeez | [13:24] |
mircea_popescu | hm ? | [13:24] |
kakobrekla | i missed the / | [13:24] |
mircea_popescu | :p | [13:24] |
kakobrekla | just wanted to verify a the single chan man statement | [13:25] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [13:34] |
* | BTC_Bear|hbrntng is now known as BTC_Bear | [13:56] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135434/Outrage-Egypt-plans-farewell-intercourse-law-husbands-sex-dead-wives-hours-AFTER-death.html << | [14:57] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: (1) LOL, dailyfail (2) what she doesn't know won't hurt her (3) lol, africa | [15:01] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [15:01] |
mircea_popescu | still funny,. who the fuck would want to fuck a corpse. | [15:01] |
mircea_popescu | and wtf is sex like in egypt if people would think the two comparable. | [15:02] |
vragnaroda | Well, I honestly don't think there should be an antinecrophilia law. | [15:02] |
vragnaroda | I just don't want to hear about it if that's your thing. | [15:03] |
vragnaroda | That's fucking weird but there isn't a real victim. | [15:04] |
pigeons | think of the children! | [15:04] |
vragnaroda | Now, when the zombie apocalypse comes, that's different. | [15:04] |
kakobrekla | wtf is happening with mpex mircea_popescu | [15:11] |
mircea_popescu | teh bot is going a tad nuts. | [15:11] |
mircea_popescu | working on it. | [15:11] |
kakobrekla | at this rate | [15:16] |
kakobrekla | you will hit 50k vol in no time | [15:16] |
kakobrekla | ;> | [15:16] |
mircea_popescu | lol nah | [15:56] |
mircea_popescu | the bot started eval-ing deep out of the money options at 0 | [15:56] |
mircea_popescu | thing is on mpex 0 means market price | [15:56] |
mircea_popescu | so it was trading with itself like crazy. | [15:56] |
mircea_popescu | i wiped the slate. | [15:57] |
mircea_popescu | but incidentalyl, mpex proves it kicks butt, it was doing something like 100+ trade blocks in there lol | [15:58] |
mircea_popescu | didn't crash or anything. | [15:58] |
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mcorlett | ;;seen markedathome | [16:13] |
gribble | markedathome was last seen in #bitcoin-otc-eu 2 days, 0 hours, 26 minutes, and 1 second ago: |
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mcorlett | Where you at, Mark?! | [16:33] |
rg | ah, his name is mark. how clever | [16:35] |
vragnaroda | You and I are not on a first-name basis, yet, Milton. | [16:36] |
vragnaroda | :p | [16:36] |
mcorlett | James and I are, right? | [16:36] |
rg | Sir, I dont believe we've yet been acquainted. | [16:36] |
rg | However | [16:36] |
rg | I challenge your honor | [16:37] |
rg | I wish to engauge in fisticuffs. | [16:37] |
rg | Queensbury rules, ofcourse | [16:37] |
* | rg practicing to be a young enlgish gentileman | [16:37] |
rg | gentleman* | [16:37] |
mcorlett | english* | [16:37] |
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rg | so | [16:38] |
rg | do you accept my challenge or are you a coward? | [16:38] |
mcorlett | I'll have to think about it. | [16:39] |
* | mcorlett searches for brass knuckles on Silk Road | [16:39] |
rg | brass nuckles vs a skilled numchuck master | [16:40] |
rg | please | [16:40] |
* | vragnaroda gives rg a Ma Deuce. | [16:40] |
vragnaroda | .wik Ma Deuce | [16:40] |
markac | "The M2 Machine Gun, Browning .50 Caliber Machine Gun, is a heavy machine gun designed towards the end of World War I by John Browning." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Deuce | [16:41] |
rg | yeah thatll do | [16:41] |
* | guruvan is sure that numchucks and brass knuckles are against Queesnbury rules | [16:41] |
rg | guruvan: sir | [16:41] |
rg | you forget yourself | [16:41] |
vragnaroda | rg: Not really; you'd probably hurt yourself. :p | [16:41] |
rg | dude ill tape it down | [16:42] |
rg | i know how to use it | [16:42] |
vragnaroda | If you don't do headspace and timing properly, you can either have the barrel just fall out when you go to use it or it could just blow up in your face. | [16:42] |
mcorlett | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Px0wErIeJI <- rg | [16:42] |
vragnaroda | or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQep2nWGfBw&t=23s | [16:43] |
rg | Swedish dogs! Your blood is tainted by generations of race mixing with Laplanders! | [16:44] |
guruvan | dats raycyst | [16:44] |
vragnaroda | That I know of, I have no Swedish blood. | [16:45] |
vragnaroda | I should collect some. | [16:45] |
* | vragnaroda plans a trip to Sweden. | [16:45] |
rg | mcorlett might be able to find you victims | [16:45] |
mcorlett | So much for "BitVPS Privacy Policy", huh? | [16:46] |
rg | ? | [16:46] |
vragnaroda | Well, he'd probably try to take mine but my superior American blood assimilates all other bloods. | [16:46] |
mircea_popescu | [16:47] | |
vragnaroda | howdy, mircea_popescu | [16:47] |
mircea_popescu | heya | [16:48] |
mircea_popescu | barrel fall out, why don't they do THAT in action flicks | [16:48] |
mcorlett | Sorry, Viking blood is by far superior to your American water. | [16:48] |
mircea_popescu | i'd enjoy them more | [16:48] |
rg | viking funerals are pretty bad ass | [16:48] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: Because the action flicks don't show dumbasses that don't know how to maintain their weapons. Action flicks usually show *competent* soldiers. | [16:49] |
mircea_popescu | riiiight | [16:49] |
mircea_popescu | people who run under fire and shoot smg's from both hands | [16:49] |
mircea_popescu | ARE COMPETENT SOLDIERS. | [16:49] |
mcorlett | Competent enough to run under fire and shoot smg's from both hands, apparently. | [16:49] |
mircea_popescu | these skills are unsoldierly. | [16:50] |
rg | ive seen a girl shoot a machine gun leg | [16:50] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: Well, competent was too strong a word there. Knowledgeable (even if stupid/suicidal) | [16:50] |
mircea_popescu | they're actionflickheroy. | [16:50] |
mircea_popescu | right. and then they fire high powered rifles indoors with no ear protection and fail to bleed | [16:50] |
rg | http://mimg.ugo.com/200711/23242/machine-gun-leg.jpg | [16:51] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: I've never seen someone shooting M2s with both hands, even in action flicks, either. | [16:51] |
mircea_popescu | recoil be damned rg | [16:51] |
vragnaroda | I have, however, seen an idiot shooting M240Bs with both hands. | [16:51] |
mircea_popescu | a competeny actionflicker shoots m2's with their pubes | [16:51] |
vragnaroda | lol | [16:51] |
mircea_popescu | then the ppl watching these most informative tracts go to shooting ranges and nigh on kill themselves | [16:52] |
vragnaroda | (This was with blanks and with special sensors on everything/everyone to say when it was 'hit' and I was supposed to be his RTO but he was acting like an idiot so I fragged him.) | [16:53] |
mircea_popescu | lmao the flag knifes you, you lose capture the flag game :D | [16:54] |
rg | omg netzero is back | [16:54] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: Actually, at the end of that week-long exercise, I was the only one in my platoon left 'alive.' | [16:54] |
mircea_popescu | sneaky fuck eh ? | [16:55] |
vragnaroda | Well, when they're not shooting real bullets or using real explosives, it's easier to be sneaky on your own. | [16:56] |
mircea_popescu | wait a second | [16:56] |
mircea_popescu | isn't the fn fag something like 25 lbs ? | [16:56] |
mircea_popescu | he actually held two ? | [16:56] |
vragnaroda | 27.6 lbs | [16:57] |
vragnaroda | That guy basically lived in the gym. | [16:57] |
mircea_popescu | he must have. | [16:58] |
vragnaroda | Most incompetent NCO ever, though. | [16:59] |
mircea_popescu | maybwe he just figured he's a meatshield | [16:59] |
mircea_popescu | did your paladins have rez ? | [16:59] |
vragnaroda | Huh? | [16:59] |
mircea_popescu | you know... | [16:59] |
* | BTC_Bear|hbrntng is now known as BTC_Bear | [17:00] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.alt-market.com/articles/733-has-america-been-crippled-by-intellectual-idiots | [17:07] |
mircea_popescu | i lolld. | [17:07] |
mircea_popescu | How could anyone possibly sustain themselves on a diet of congealing fantasy, and personal inadequacy? The intellectual life bears other fruits as well. Where it lacks in substance, it makes up for in ego, proving that being educated is not necessarily the same as being intelligent. | [17:12] |
vragnaroda | lol | [17:20] |
jurov | for me a bit unintelligible article and shrouded in "-isms" | [17:20] |
jurov | imho american universities were built mostly on shoulders of hard working immigrants.. now there isn't so many of them, things are falling apart | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | that's an interesting theory... | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | course all of us is build on hard working immigrants, from day 1 | [17:21] |
jurov | yes, but i mean - if the majority of academic staff are people who never went outside their local cultural circle, it's natural they are limited | [17:22] |
vragnaroda | Well, usually the term theory is restricted to a proposition that can be true with the available evidence and that isn't. | [17:22] |
vragnaroda | If anything, more professional academics in the U.S. today are immigrants than ever before. | [17:23] |
mircea_popescu | i just used it to denote a proposition that may be true or false but it's not immediately evident which is the case. | [17:23] |
vragnaroda | I think it used to be the case that more of them were sons of immigrants but were not themselves immigrants. | [17:24] |
mircea_popescu | i really think the immigrant status has precious little to do. | [17:24] |
mircea_popescu | i think the cogent point is the dole | [17:24] |
vragnaroda | Yeah, I don't think it's relevant. | [17:24] |
mircea_popescu | more people today than ever expect to pay their college debt with govt money. | [17:24] |
vragnaroda | There is no fucking reason why people should go into debt in America to pay for higher education. | [17:25] |
mircea_popescu | back in 1962 some guy going to med school was expecting to pay back the debt with money from the people he treated. | [17:25] |
mircea_popescu | today he expects to go into a state-sponsored clinic. | [17:26] |
vragnaroda | (1) There are so many fucking government programs to pay for it for you and (2) go get a fucking job. | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | myea. | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | btw, vragnaroda : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2011/terifiantul-oribilul-adevar-despre-venitul-suplimentar-asigurat/ | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | the original english is the 1st link in there | [17:26] |
vragnaroda | rofl | [17:28] |
vragnaroda | I'm still not reading anything on naturalnews.com though. | [17:28] |
mircea_popescu | where is that ? | [17:29] |
mircea_popescu | o, the comments. | [17:29] |
mircea_popescu | well, comment section on my blog much approaches 4chan. | [17:29] |
vragnaroda | lol | [17:29] |
mircea_popescu | then again the entire bruhaha is misplaced, i don't know anyone ofany import that still cares about college. | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | there's fucken quants now that never actually went to school. | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | that'd have been impossible even a decade ago. | [17:31] |
vragnaroda | Higher education is mostly signaling. | [17:33] |
vragnaroda | It's saying "hi, I can show up 40% of the time because I got my Pell grant and I have decent hygiene." | [17:34] |
jurov | in other news - in germany there is Ibrahim Abou Nagi, leader of radical islamist sect... and also receiver of 1900 eur/month or unemployment benefits | [17:34] |
mircea_popescu | lol sorta. | [17:34] |
vragnaroda | The latter point, not always so much. | [17:34] |
mircea_popescu | jurov : sorta like obama's grama ? | [17:34] |
BTC_Bear | Funny story: I had an EE from Vanderbilt or such, come onto a team. He had to grab a mop and clean the floor. He valued his degree over his ability to work effectively with a team. He was replaced by a guy from ITT tech. | [17:34] |
jurov | obamas'grama is sect leader? | [17:35] |
mircea_popescu | BTC_Bear : mmm, i wouldn't work in a place that can't afford a cleanning lady. | [17:35] |
mircea_popescu | haha, check this out : What are the biggest concerns and challenges today in the quant trading world? | [17:35] |
mircea_popescu | Wilmott: People really do not understand much about risk management and derivatives at all. People are very confused about the basic concepts. They think they understand something, and they don't. You see people using these complex instruments and quite frankly, they don't have a clue about the basic risk management of these things. | [17:35] |
vragnaroda | jurov: Didn't you know his family're all Muslim terrorist socialist Kenyan Zionists? | [17:35] |
BTC_Bear | mircea_popescu: the job paid > 100K | [17:36] |
BTC_Bear | but ok, you're out | [17:36] |
mircea_popescu | mk. | [17:36] |
mircea_popescu | weirdo hazing job lol. i guess he could have put an ad in the paper for an mopping assistant | [17:36] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think i'd have bothered, but just maybe. | [17:36] |
jurov | oh, did obama's grandma actually requested enactment of sharia law or that non-moslims go to hell? | [17:37] |
mircea_popescu | actually, iirc correctly the woman did, jurov | [17:37] |
jurov | i should start watching fox | [17:37] |
jurov | i'm hopelessly behind | [17:38] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think it was actually his grama tho, maybe some aunt ? lettuce dig. | [17:38] |
mircea_popescu | a, there we go : http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=obama+aunt&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQHoAuk76fT8&ei=aq-aT_f-C4SL4gTgxvC_Dw&usg=AFQjCNGls-2qZBYbBuM8CVlEKmFFyBytJg | [17:38] |
vragnaroda | jurov: *Fox News (it's a completely different network from Fox) and most of the time, you really can't tell the difference between them and the others (other than by the logos). Their commentators are the ones that are out there but I don't think they're particularly worse. | [17:39] |
mircea_popescu | i like all the bs tracking google ads on links nao. | [17:40] |
mircea_popescu | asshats. | [17:40] |
vragnaroda | lmfao @ that video | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | :p | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | but yes, that video is a fine example of "press" asshollery at it's finest. | [17:42] |
vragnaroda | "If I come here as an immigrant, you have an obligation to make me a citizen." <-- OK, fuck off and die already, please. | [17:43] |
mircea_popescu | shuddup and make me a horse. | [17:43] |
mircea_popescu | as if anyone can make anyone else a citizen ffs. | [17:43] |
jurov | wtf? she's run of the mill illegal immigrant | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | there's a mill of these ? | [17:47] |
vragnaroda | No, not even close. | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | BOMB IT | [17:47] |
vragnaroda | Most illegal immigrants in the U.S. aren't welfare queens. | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | actually from my (limited) experience illegals in the us are sharply divided in two types. in the south they're subsistance wage earners, and work pretty hard. in the ny-boston area they're small timers trying to make whatever grocery stand work. | [17:48] |
jurov | anyway, all wealth redistribution systems are unfair. but we can't not have the. | [17:51] |
jurov | *them | [17:52] |
mircea_popescu | sure we can. | [17:52] |
mircea_popescu | and they can be perfectly fair as long as they're voluntary. | [17:52] |
mircea_popescu | congress wants to dole money, it can take it out of the congressmen's own property. | [17:52] |
jurov | in old rome they had something like that. but it got corrupt over time anyway | [17:55] |
mircea_popescu | in old us they had something like that, i don't recall the exact name | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | maybe it was davey crockett ? | [17:56] |
BTC_Bear | lol, in the old days welfare was the 'river' and the 'woods'. | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | aha, found it | [17:57] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/ellis1.html | [17:57] |
mircea_popescu | it was crockett | [17:57] |
jurov | anyway, as we are pushing forward and replacing more and more of work by machines and computers, people over some intelligence threshold are not employable(unless the accept very low wage) | [17:58] |
jurov | i really don't see how this could be solved by voluntary donations alone | [17:58] |
jurov | especially if you seem to hate them so much | [17:59] |
jurov | oh, i meant "under some threshold" | [17:59] |
vragnaroda | lolwut | [18:00] |
mircea_popescu | they can either make themselves pleasant to those who are over | [18:00] |
mircea_popescu | or else curl in a ball and die. | [18:00] |
vragnaroda | No, as more and more machines do work, the more work there is to do that no one's had the time to fucking do before. | [18:00] |
mircea_popescu | im certainly not paying anyone anything because they were born and thus "have a right". | [18:00] |
vragnaroda | There's *always* work that needs to be done. | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | at the very least this cock ain't sucking itself. | [18:01] |
jurov | okay, tomorrow i go to visit my parents. they fall into this category. so i'm gonna tell them to curl in a ball and die | [18:01] |
jurov | nice | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | well, you want me to pay for your parents ? | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | don't be a bum, give them some money. | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | how is it my problem ? | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | and why don't they have their own money in the first place ? | [18:02] |
jurov | fortunately they do, they are working menial jobs in govt sector | [18:03] |
BTC_Bear | lol, that is the Redistribution of Wealth Protocol. Give me the money so I can redistribute it, thnx. ah... was I supposed to do something with this money. | [18:05] |
mircea_popescu | pretty much BTC_Bear | [18:05] |
jurov | but many other ppl like them are long-time unemployed and their children are glad they don't have to fully support them because there is govt support | [18:05] |
mircea_popescu | jurov their children are thus idiots. | [18:05] |
jurov | why? overall it's working quite well. | [18:06] |
jurov | only ones that are complaining are people with higher income | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | ... | [18:07] |
vragnaroda | See, my mom was smart. She outlived two husbands but had six kids. :p | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | jurov, suppose i gauge your eye out and say it works alright, you're the only one complaining ? | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | wtf braindamaged argument is that. | [18:07] |
* | vragnaroda gouges jurov's eye out. | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | ofcourse everyone stealing enjoys the theft and only the stolen from complain. wtf. | [18:07] |
guruvan | the only people complaining are those w/ higher income? not | [18:08] |
mircea_popescu | vragnaroda is such a grammer naxi. | [18:08] |
vragnaroda | jurov: Fwiw, I will complain about anyone paying an income tax over 3% or so, regardless of how much I make or have to pay in taxes. | [18:09] |
mircea_popescu | how did you get to the pipercent ? | [18:10] |
jurov | well then, explain me your idea better. because only thing i see are angry mobs without future living in favelas that everyone denied any help to | [18:10] |
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jurov | that' like having both eyes gouged out | [18:10] |
* | tcatm (~quassel@unaffiliated/tcatm) has joined #bitcoin-otc-eu | [18:10] |
mircea_popescu | jurov : my ideea is simply that whatever anyone makes is his, and what he gives he gives of that as he sees fit. that's all and i don't see that more's needed. | [18:10] |
guruvan | I complain about social security, regardless of my income level | [18:10] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: Well, if it ever actually gets that low, I'd probably lower it, but that seems tolerable. | [18:11] |
mircea_popescu | lmao i see. | [18:11] |
mircea_popescu | so i take it you actually account to your finances within a roughly 3% precision, is it ? | [18:11] |
vragnaroda | Well, SS is just a giant ponzi scheme. 1 cent going into that is an abomination. | [18:11] |
guruvan | I got a deal or two for ya then vragnaroda :D | [18:11] |
jurov | you are able to get this income only because the govt supported your education and health care, your mother was able to rear you without stress, etc... nobody got rich alone | [18:12] |
mircea_popescu | jurov : false. | [18:12] |
mircea_popescu | i can claim that you only exist cause i pissed at the root of a cherry tree. | [18:12] |
mircea_popescu | i don't see what such ridiculous claims can accomplish. | [18:12] |
vragnaroda | You think the government reduces stress for a single mother with six kids? | [18:12] |
vragnaroda | lol | [18:12] |
guruvan | I get my income because my PARENTS supported my education. And health care. With plenty of stress. | [18:12] |
mircea_popescu | vragnaroda "id't be worse w/o it!!!" | [18:12] |
jurov | i am talking about mircea, in romania there was free education, health care and maternal leave | [18:13] |
jurov | but he probably depises it | [18:13] |
guruvan | I would | [18:13] |
vragnaroda | lol @ free | [18:13] |
guruvan | free MY ASS - the government doesn't have any money | [18:14] |
vragnaroda | Free is when someone else pays for it on threat of being shot by you or people doing your bidding. | [18:14] |
guruvan | they take it from the people (and take a cut) | [18:14] |
mircea_popescu | its so strange to me, how'd people end up with the notion "the government" did anything ? | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | it;'s a fucking figment of the imagination, it's not like it shits gold or something. | [18:17] |
jurov | yeah, go on. hate government. hate people who get some advantage of it. hate hate hate | [18:17] |
mircea_popescu | the average duck produces more value than the best run government. | [18:17] |
guruvan | people exif it did it's because the people fed it | [18:17] |
mircea_popescu | i don't hate, i just keep my fences in good repair. | [18:17] |
guruvan | it's not a matter of HATE, it's a matter of them WAsTING everything we produce | [18:17] |
guruvan | I don't like to see WASTE, and that's what government entitlements DO | [18:18] |
guruvan | that's WHY EUROPE IS BROKE! | [18:18] |
guruvan | I just don't understand how people can think that the government is gonna solve their problems | [18:19] |
guruvan | Hello? The government is YOU | [18:19] |
guruvan | the governement can only solve problems YOU can solve | [18:19] |
guruvan | why not cut out the fucking middleman, and cut the waste and actually solve a problem or two? | [18:20] |
guruvan | how is that hate?! | [18:20] |
jurov | if you are 100% sure everyone can solve their problems without any help (i don't mean curling up and dying), good for you | [18:22] |
jurov | otherwise if not, we will inevitably end up having something like govt, that's human nature | [18:23] |
vragnaroda | jurov: No one's 100% sure of that and no one said that. | [18:23] |
jurov | you everyone know that and it mak3es you rage | [18:23] |
vragnaroda | Instead, what we have is a bunch of asshats with power and money they stole saying "hey, we're making everything better." | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | i don't get this everyone point. | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | who said "everyone" needs to have their problems solved ? | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | fuck that shit. | [18:23] |
* | guruvan just doesn't fucking understand socialists | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | they who can solve their problems get their problems solved. the rest keep on trying. it's life. | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | do you understand how that "everyone" stand promotes laziness jurov ? | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | why would i even bother to get out of bed ? let your government come and make me a pot of rice. | [18:24] |
* | vragnaroda pisses in mircea_popescu's rice pot. | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | it's not mine, it's the gubinment and you'd better not mess with the gubinment's rice | [18:25] |
vragnaroda | I don't know what the fuck that's supposed to mean. | [18:26] |
jurov | no, you promote laziness. if one doesn't see any way to get help then, why bother trying? they stay lazy | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | lmao. | [18:26] |
vragnaroda | Is this heading towards a "corporations aren't people but governments are" tirade? | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | jurov : hunger should be a good enough stimulent. | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | vragnaroda : hm ? | [18:26] |
vragnaroda | If so, that'd really emphasize the -eu in the channel name. | [18:26] |
jurov | no, i *do* think that corporations and governments are flawed. but i also think they are inevitable | [18:27] |
guruvan | nothing is inevitable besides death | [18:27] |
mircea_popescu | i happen to think they are doomed. | [18:27] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: You attributed possession to gubinment as though it were something that could actually possess something. | [18:27] |
vragnaroda | it's a bit odd. | [18:27] |
jurov | mircea_popescu: hunger usually stimulates violence | [18:27] |
mircea_popescu | vragnaroda : i was being sarcastic over 9000 | [18:27] |
jurov | not anything constructive | [18:27] |
vragnaroda | Yes, I figured that; I was just extending that. | [18:27] |
mircea_popescu | jurov that's ok, i can shoot straighter than the lazy, the hungry and the stupid | [18:27] |
mircea_popescu | and actually feel like it, too. | [18:28] |
mircea_popescu | when's this violence ? | [18:28] |
vragnaroda | I have seen hungry people and they just don't have the energy to become violent. | [18:28] |
vragnaroda | The prehungry can get violent, but they can also be industrious. | [18:28] |
mircea_popescu | prehungry lol | [18:28] |
vragnaroda | Industriousness can be directed more productively. | [18:28] |
mircea_popescu | that's a kickass concept. The Prehungry Republic. | [18:28] |
guruvan | jurov: I've been hungry a few times in my life - it didn't cause me to act VIOLENT! It caused me to bust ass and make some friggin changes and make some money | [18:29] |
guruvan | hunger does not beget violence | [18:29] |
vragnaroda | guruvan: |
[18:29] |
mircea_popescu | i find it very funny that people attempt to scare the independent with the things that scare the dependent. who the fuck cares about "violence" ffs. | [18:29] |
vragnaroda | Well, this notion that people are evil without a government to tell them what to do is just risible. | [18:30] |
mircea_popescu | next in line is "if the school isn't run by toddlers the toddlers will hold their breath!!!1" | [18:30] |
guruvan | I think that's really the main difference - independence and dependence | [18:30] |
guruvan | I do not depend on others to take care of me | [18:31] |
vragnaroda | Governments exist to promote common interests, not to change them. | [18:31] |
mircea_popescu | "Governments exist to promote common interests, not to create them." < Fify. | [18:31] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoin being a point in case. if it weren't for the dumbass welfare state we wouldn't likely be here. | [18:32] |
jurov | this is nice ideal, but it was never the truth | [18:32] |
jurov | never | [18:32] |
vragnaroda | What? | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | it was at the very least during the old roman republic, during the old greek republics | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | as well as at some point in the 1700s in the us. | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | many more examples dot the historical countryside. | [18:33] |
vragnaroda | Also, we should bring back slavery. | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | in short, it was always the case when people weren't predominantly stupid and lazy as a matter of course. | [18:33] |
jurov | i swa that coming | [18:33] |
jurov | *saw | [18:33] |
vragnaroda | Slavery's a lot cheaper than maintaining prisons. :D | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | vragnaroda : i already have. it's quite quaint :D | [18:33] |
vragnaroda | :) | [18:33] |
vragnaroda | (A lot cheaper to disinterested parties, anyway.) | [18:34] |
* | guruvan has cash for some slaves! | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | i was gonna say, haliburton is doing ok with the prison complex. | [18:34] |
jurov | okay, so we need to find some pandora-like planet where you can immigrate and fullfill your ideals | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | the only people who are complaining about prisons costs are the ones not benefiting from the expenditure. | [18:34] |
vragnaroda | Did that already when leaving Africa. | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | no jurov. you need to find some pandora-like planet where your socialist utopia isn't doomed. | [18:35] |
vragnaroda | Then did it again when leaving Asia for Europe. | [18:35] |
vragnaroda | Then did it again when leaving Europe for North America. | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | cause i tell you, with the latest tech coming out it's the end of welfare. i don't see myself paying tax on bitcoin, and i don't see myself even trying to make money outside of bitcoin anymore. | [18:35] |
jurov | and it was doomed every time as well | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | i'm guessing this point is then sufficiently parlayed. | [18:36] |
mircea_popescu | to arms, as the old saying goes. | [18:36] |
* | mod6 watches -eu arm wrestling matches | [18:37] |
jurov | the point i am trying to come across is, why is everyone so sticking to their ideals and labeling everyone else, instead of trying to understand how we work? | [18:37] |
jurov | even i got labeled as socialist, lol | [18:37] |
vragnaroda | Should I call you a grape instead? | [18:38] |
mircea_popescu | there's a dole.gov : http://www.dole.gov.ph/ | [18:38] |
jurov | mircea_popescu, everything got taxed eventually. you have a pipe dream. | [18:39] |
guruvan | how can you not get labeled as a socialist when you're promotiing socialism? | [18:39] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: The Philippines are cool, though, in one sense: they (like the U.S.) have bounty hunters, which saves taxpayers a lot of money. | [18:39] |
mircea_popescu | jurov me and this here pipe are in teh mood to cause trouble. do you have any tea handy anywhere ? | [18:39] |
jurov | i am not promoting anything. i am just saying that human nature cuses inevitability of government, in some form. | [18:40] |
jurov | you can't argue with that, sou you rather call me socialist | [18:40] |
mircea_popescu | lol i thought ph had pirates. | [18:40] |
mircea_popescu | no jurov, one can't argue with that cause it's not an argument | [18:40] |
vragnaroda | They've got that, too. | [18:40] |
mircea_popescu | it's some silly decal. "all life is a circle". bs. | [18:40] |
jurov | exactly | [18:40] |
mircea_popescu | well so then what argument do you expect past it being called bs ? | [18:41] |
guruvan | you're also saying that the inevitable government should TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE'S PROBLEMS | [18:41] |
mircea_popescu | in fairness that may be an esl problem guruvan | [18:41] |
jurov | yes, that was my second argument, that nobody can solve their problems alone | [18:41] |
mircea_popescu | jurov : that's what the market isfor. | [18:41] |
guruvan | I fundamentally disagree with that. | [18:41] |
mircea_popescu | to negotiate solutions to common problems. | [18:41] |
guruvan | I solve my own problems. So can others | [18:42] |
vragnaroda | Ew, I guess they took some Yurpean nonsense, though: "(C) 2009, Department of Labor and Employment" | [18:42] |
vragnaroda | fucking government holding copyright, jesus titty-fucking christ | [18:42] |
mircea_popescu | i wish some state had a sarcastic public institution naming scheme. | [18:42] |
mircea_popescu | the ministry of diddly squat. | [18:42] |
mircea_popescu | the high authority for bothering people. | [18:43] |
guruvan | Dept of Actually Getting Shit Done :D | [18:43] |
guruvan | heh | [18:43] |
mircea_popescu | that'd be super-sarcastic. | [18:43] |
mircea_popescu | actually a government worth its salt would trademark copyright. | [18:44] |
vragnaroda | lol | [18:44] |
vragnaroda | That's one thing I like about the U.S. government: its works are in the public fucking domain. | [18:44] |
* | guruvan buys an island to implement that killer idea | [18:44] |
mircea_popescu | vragnaroda : in honesty, i don't think the ph govt understands the difference | [18:45] |
jurov | did anyone actually prove that free market can solve all problems? | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | this is just something they thought goes on websites. | [18:45] |
vragnaroda | lol | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | jurov that's again a decal. | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | nobody has yet proven all numbers can in fact be added, either. | [18:46] |
jurov | sorry i formulated it wrong | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | (that "formulated" made me lol irl) | [18:46] |
guruvan | jurov: ask a lion, or a bear who solves his problems. - that's how the world REALLY works | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | lions and bears ?! o my. | [18:47] |
jurov | we are apes, not lions and bears | [18:47] |
vragnaroda | fuck you, i'm a lion | [18:47] |
guruvan | so ask a frigging gorilla, or baboon | [18:47] |
vragnaroda | *rawr* | [18:47] |
jurov | and apes do use society for their problems | [18:47] |
mircea_popescu | "fuck you, i'm a dragon". | [18:47] |
vragnaroda | :D | [18:47] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39MU-g5jYzA | [18:48] |
vragnaroda | jurov: They don't depend on strangers. | [18:48] |
g0tch4 | get to dragon walking --- http://gizmodo.com/5905153/skywalking-russian-teens-risk-death-for-daredevil-photos | [18:48] |
vragnaroda | Also, bears are social, too. | [18:48] |
mircea_popescu | some bears are also gay. | [18:48] |
* | g0tch4 lol | [18:49] |
mircea_popescu | . “Fuck you, I’m a Dragon” became the defensive cry of many of the Dragon otherkin in the debate. is turning into fucking wikipedia. | [18:49] |
guruvan | social doesn't mean they're depending on their entire "society" to save their asses. We, on the other hand, seem to be headed that direction, and it is currently becoming ourtr downfall. | [18:49] |
mircea_popescu | its not "many", its one specific idiot. | [18:49] |
guruvan | Again, this is why europe and the US are quickly becoming broke | [18:49] |
g0tch4 | the wants of the many outway the wants of the few | [18:50] |
mircea_popescu | becoming as in what's that mean ? | [18:50] |
mircea_popescu | g0tch4 : property is above anyone;'s wants. | [18:50] |
g0tch4 | property is a possesion not a want. | [18:50] |
jurov | there were panics and crashes, in the era of golden standard and laisses-faire govts of 1800s | [18:50] |
g0tch4 | but i agree with yah | [18:50] |
jurov | so i am not convinced it is caused by social security whasoever | [18:51] |
vragnaroda | *gold standard | [18:51] |
mircea_popescu | jurov there panics and crashes, but they were panics and crashes of the various private citizens and corporations. | [18:52] |
mircea_popescu | now the entire state is going under, and that's that. | [18:52] |
vragnaroda | There was never laissez-faire government and a gold standard (a) didn't really exist for most of the period people claim it did and (b) is irrelevant to the point we've been making and (c) would contradict laissez-faire. | [18:52] |
vragnaroda | The panics and crashes after they said fuck all that, though, have been much worse. | [18:53] |
* | guruvan heads off for more caffeine | [18:53] |
jurov | well, that supports my point - your ideal did never exist and never will | [18:53] |
* | mircea_popescu shrugs. so it never will, you say. no problem then. | [18:54] |
jurov | mark my words. soon someone will come with clever way to extract taxes from bitcoin | [18:54] |
mircea_popescu | wager on that ? | [18:54] |
guruvan | LOL | [18:55] |
vragnaroda | If your point is that the world isn't perfect, you didn't need to go through all that bullshit to get to it. | [18:55] |
jurov | no. i want you to undersand why the govt is the way it is and try to make it better. not reject it completely | [18:55] |
mircea_popescu | should i de-mark your words nao ? | [18:55] |
jurov | lol, feel free as you wish | [18:56] |
mircea_popescu | ... | [18:56] |
vragnaroda | The things you claim would make it better make it worse. | [18:56] |
* | vragnaroda plans a move to Somalia. | [18:56] |
guruvan | PIRATES! | [18:56] |
jurov | okay, fair opinion. | [18:56] |
mircea_popescu | people don't understand public speech anymore. dude. if you say mark my words and i offer you a wager, you either eat crow or come up with a wager. | [18:56] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: No, feel free. 1 BTC or 55842701328741034810 BTC, it's up to you. | [18:57] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [18:57] |
guruvan | put that sucker up on betsofbitcoin! | [18:57] |
jurov | oh, in fact, i think this already happened. or is there a place i can trade for example securities for bitcoins freely? certainly not mpex | [18:58] |
mircea_popescu | ... | [18:58] |
mircea_popescu | wait, what ?! | [18:58] |
mircea_popescu | wtf just happened here lmao | [18:59] |
vragnaroda | freespeechly, not freebeerly | [18:59] |
vragnaroda | ;) | [18:59] |
guruvan | that made no sense? | [18:59] |
mircea_popescu | this is like... there's no shop where you can get free dildoes for bitcoin. | [18:59] |
mircea_popescu | therefore all arguments are invalid + 2 | [18:59] |
guruvan | BITCOIN SUX then! | [19:00] |
guruvan | lol | [19:00] |
jurov | heh | [19:00] |
mircea_popescu | it's a pyramid | [19:00] |
guruvan | when are people going to realize there isn't anything free in the world, except your own mind. | [19:01] |
mircea_popescu | my mind isn't free! | [19:01] |
mircea_popescu | it's fucken full. | [19:01] |
guruvan | free as in beer, not disk space :D | [19:02] |
guruvan | wait...software | [19:02] |
guruvan | wut? | [19:02] |
jurov | mircea, there will be pressure for ability to move stocks to another exchanges, this can be certainly done in decentralized fashion | [19:02] |
* | guruvan really needs more caffeine now | [19:02] |
jurov | but it will need infrastructure, hence some means to support it, hence something resembling taxes | [19:03] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4878 this btw is pretty funny. | [19:03] |
vragnaroda | lolwut | [19:03] |
mircea_popescu | As his motorcade rolled up a rural country road, suddenly Jessie Jackson, sitting next to the Messiah, noticed a man plowing his field along side of the road. | [19:03] |
g0tch4 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3w2MTXBebg&feature=youtu.be | [19:04] |
mircea_popescu | jurov : problem with stocks is this : i won't accept symbols that aren't vetted. otherwise PUSH is free. | [19:04] |
jurov | so i can push things from glbse? | [19:05] |
mircea_popescu | "things" no. i have a dim regard of the vast majority of the symbols on glbse as well as their general listing process. | [19:06] |
mircea_popescu | some you can, yes. gigavps bond for instance. | [19:06] |
jurov | ok, so this is solved, then | [19:07] |
mircea_popescu | apparently ? | [19:11] |
jurov | wat? | [19:14] |
mcorlett | lol | [19:16] |
mircea_popescu | apparently this problem that i wasn't aware existed is solved. | [19:21] |
jurov | yeah, i solve such problems often | [19:50] |
mircea_popescu | cool hehe | [20:16] |
kakobrekla | lo | [20:17] |
kakobrekla | l | [20:17] |
g0tch4 | http://www.beaconequity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NPD-Chart.jpg | [20:26] |
g0tch4 | wtf | [20:26] |
g0tch4 | http://www.profitspi.com/stock-chart.aspx?id=SEFE&wl=y | [20:28] |
g0tch4 | i understand why the latter spiked, not the first | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | jesus christ the monthly reports for mpoe are getting so complex | [20:38] |
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kakobrekla | !bc,convert eur | [22:18] |
gribble | 1 BTC = 5.09991 U.S. dollars = 3.86122804 Euros | [22:18] |
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rg | ;;seen draco49 | [22:35] |
gribble | draco49 was last seen in #bitcoin-otc-eu 3 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: |
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rg | oh man | [22:35] |
rg | who pissed off draco now | [22:35] |
mcorlett | He needs to stop disappearing. | [22:54] |
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mircea_popescu | im so bored i'm reviewing old porn movies ;/ | [23:39] |
mcorlett | what | [23:40] |
mircea_popescu | calamity jane (1998) | [23:40] |
mircea_popescu | you seen it ? | [23:40] |
mcorlett | Yeah... No. No, Mircea, I haven't. | [23:42] |
mircea_popescu | didn't miss out much | [23:43] |
mircea_popescu | the dialogue is hysterical tho | [23:43] |
Azelphur | calamity jane isn't a porn movie? | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | you're thinking a diff one. | [23:45] |
Azelphur | *shrug* | [23:45] |
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smickles | mcorlett: I was curious about the progress on that minecraft thing you mentioned | [23:58] |
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