Forum logs for 27 Mar 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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ben_vulpes holy shit does browser positioning fail to respect the right hand rule? [01:04]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2016#1440518 << wut?! [01:09]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2016 02:19:49; ben_vulpes: http://dream-job.shithouse.tv/ [01:09]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i'd certainly rather feed racoons with food taped to my body than figure out how to position elements relative to each other [01:11]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i would rather feed racoon with own meat. [01:12]
asciilifeform than take any part in wwwistic miseries. [01:12]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: What about just positioning them relative enough? [01:14]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: can you speak to why ada's usgenesis shouldn't set off klaxons? [05:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00049305 = 27.0931 BTC [+] {2} [05:37]
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davout ;;later tell kakobrekla http://dpaste.com/1YPJKPS.txt [06:44]
gribble The operation succeeded. [06:44]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1SnVVjG ) [06:44]
shinohai > tfw 24 hours of logs fits in a single screen now. [07:13]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2016#1440527 << because motherfucking 1980?? or if you prefer, because it's an ancient gcc frontend? or, if neither satisfies, because its the only compiled lang with knobs to ease binary auditing? [07:15]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2016 08:32:09; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can you speak to why ada's usgenesis shouldn't set off klaxons? [07:15]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ada sucks in 1,001 ways, but unlike every other known non-c, introduction of mystery meat layer between the source semantics and resulting binary is not one f them. which unfortunately makes it the ~only~ sane choice for critical realtime system. [07:20]
asciilifeform (i considered and rejected ml and haskell for this reason. go and explain how they work! can spend a fucking career on that. ick) [07:21]
asciilifeform (the other choice, if trying to escape from ada, is to ditch the c-machine silicon, but i just checked my sofa cushion and still did not find a spare $10m in it with which to do this.) [07:24]
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asciilifeform incidentally, gnat is actually written in ada. and is quite readable... (in as much as such a thing can be called readable) [07:28]
asciilifeform i've been struggling with my gag reflex for > year now, the language is pascal-ugly. but ~there is no sane alternative~ known. [07:29]
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asciilifeform because items like 'no overflows, fuck off', 'standard and rationale books', 'i can compile this by hand', or 'i can saw the binary open in ida and it is pretty clear what chunk of asm corresponds to what line of src' are NOT NEGOTIABLE. [07:32]
asciilifeform the ~total unavailability of derplibraries (~no open-sores 'ecosystem') in ada land also has a cleansing effect. [07:40]
asciilifeform sorta what common lisp looked like circa 2000 or so. [07:42]
shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2016#1440538 <<< spoke briefly to mod6 about gnat, still trying to wrap head around ada [07:43]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2016 10:24:02; asciilifeform: incidentally, gnat is actually written in ada. and is quite readable... (in as much as such a thing can be called readable) [07:43]
asciilifeform no 'aggressive mayogendered' as far as the yes can see...! [07:43]
asciilifeform *eyes [07:43]
asciilifeform shinohai: it's a misery, i must warn. [07:44]
asciilifeform using the language really feels like 'penance' for lifetime of bug-creation in c/cpp [07:45]
asciilifeform it is aggressively programmer-hostile in 1,001 ways [07:46]
asciilifeform no 'cleverness' permitted. [07:46]
asciilifeform !s idiomatic c [07:47]
assbot 4 results for 'idiomatic c' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=idiomatic+c [07:47]
asciilifeform antidote to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-01-2016#1384565 . [07:47]
assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 23:06:37; jurov: "idiomatic C" [07:47]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes et al: believe, if i had another, tastier antidote, i would say. but until then, we will drink this castor. [07:49]
shinohai "JGNAT is a version compiled from the Ada programming language to Java bytecode." <<< srsly? [07:49]
asciilifeform shinohai: nfi. [07:49]
asciilifeform never even heard of such. [07:49]
asciilifeform i vaguely recall a dark age jvm backend for gcc, perhaps it turned into this. [07:50]
shinohai That looks gross, no thanks. [07:50]
asciilifeform anyway who exactly frces you to use weird backend. [07:51]
asciilifeform jvm dun exist on my planet. [07:52]
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asciilifeform on a happy note, appreciate how much ~aggressive sanity~ is baked into ada. it is routine, for example, to program ~without a heap~ ! [07:58]
asciilifeform as in, motherfucking constant-space. [07:58]
asciilifeform (you ~can~ use heap. but its presence is not presupposed by the language constructs.) [08:00]
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mats lol penance [08:34]
mats the masochism is real [08:34]
mats (fwiw, got 95 rationale and ref manual in the mail yesterday) [08:35]
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oglafbot http://oglaf.com/ron-returns/ [12:43]
assbot Ranger Ron Returns! ... ( http://bit.ly/1RmxJ2g ) [12:43]
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asciilifeform deedbot awol? [12:55]
BingoBoingo appears so [12:56]
asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/young-educated-urban-anglophone-male << l0ltr0nic [12:59]
assbot Young Educated Urban Anglophone Male. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RmyCrq ) [12:59]
asciilifeform 'The benefits he has derived from his collegiate experience have been strictly formal, and of no further substance.' << i thought mircea_popescu knew that the usaschwitz 'college racket' has ~0 to do with education, but rather is the only usg-permitted iq test (roughly what grade school was once used for) [13:06]
asciilifeform !s griggs [13:06]
assbot 6 results for 'griggs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=griggs [13:06]
asciilifeform ^ reqd reading [13:07]
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BingoBoingo http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2015/04/28/what-does-your-work-truck-say-about-you/ [13:09]
assbot What Does Your Work Truck Say About You? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rmz9tI ) [13:09]
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asciilifeform http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/drillpress.jpg << win. [13:16]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuqYbk ) [13:16]
BingoBoingo seriously [13:19]
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BingoBoingo jurov: mod6 mebbe, but linked mostly for the picture alf singled out. [14:33]
BingoBoingo Maybe it is more common for you to see men use RIGID brand drill presses to accomplish even the most humble hole drilling tasks? [14:50]
kakobrekla ;;later tell davout http://dpaste.com/2P13Y79.txt [14:51]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:51]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZFAwWl ) [14:51]
davout kakobrekla: tyvm [14:53]
jurov BingoBoingo: actually having rigid drill ready in the corner can be much more convenient and timesaving compared to affixing tiny bits to be drilled to chairs, even if not used often. [14:54]
jurov my brain just repeatedly rejected the notion of anyone using it that way [14:55]
BingoBoingo Yeah. [14:56]
BingoBoingo I'm just kind of surprised this sort of overtooling isn't a big thing in bear pin up art. [14:58]
jurov eh, bear pin ups are complete with just a firefighter gear [14:59]
jurov lmao i saw even one proclaimed "a lumberjack" cuz of the axe [15:00]
jurov so...anything beyond chainsaw is too nerdy for bear pinups [15:00]
BingoBoingo hearing this I am disappointed more is not made of the innuendo possible from playing with the idea of big tools [15:01]
jurov nudity + power tools = uncomfortable feeling [15:03]
jurov it exists, but not mainstream [15:03]
deedbot- [Qntra] March To Clinton Coronation Bumps Into Subaru Socialist Sweep - http://qntra.net/2016/03/march-to-clinton-coronation-bumps-into-subaru-socialist-sweep/ [15:08]
BingoBoingo Pin up isn't total nudity though. It's suggestive dress. [15:08]
BingoBoingo crap I forgot a link [15:09]
BingoBoingo fxd [15:09]
BingoBoingo jurov: Orange chainsaw chaps tend to be just as assless as leather motorcycle chaps. [15:11]
jurov oh that's not pinup, but advertising, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hMcoleVFFY&list=PLwD5RLR4SaJcHDQ-nH9BNOpd-AutFF0_m&index=2 [15:12]
assbot Epizoda 2: Anti-lázně - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZFBf9Y ) [15:12]
BingoBoingo Aha, but if you put it on a Calendar it becomes pinup. [15:13]
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asciilifeform shinohai, mod6, et al: https://cowlark.com/2014-04-27-ada << possibly helpful [19:31]
assbot A Random Walk Through Ada ... ( http://bit.ly/1UVyGjl ) [19:31]
asciilifeform ^ mega-recommended to everyone with the faintest inkling of an interest in subj. overview of nearly all key aspects. [19:34]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://cryptome.org/2016/03/matthew-keys-docs.htm << qntra ? [19:42]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:42]
assbot Matthew Keys Investigation-Prosecution Documents ... ( http://bit.ly/1ofmMnj ) [19:42]
asciilifeform http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/52779/I << dug out of vintage trilema. immortal. [20:16]
assbot I have a deram ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLtRT2 ) [20:16]
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shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2016#1440615 <<< looks interesting will read after guests leave [20:22]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2016 22:27:14; asciilifeform: shinohai, mod6, et al: https://cowlark.com/2014-04-27-ada << possibly helpful [20:22]
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mod6 asciilifeform: thx for the link swabby [20:47]
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* asciilifeform salutes. [20:50]
shinohai asciilifeform at the helm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMOfziFE97Y [20:51]
assbot spongebob leedle lee patrick star clip funny ship flying dutchman SpongeBob SquarePants - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1pSEbUD ) [20:51]
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asciilifeform https://cryptome.org/2016/03/keys-sabu-chen-fbi-notes.pdf << lulzy, purportedly transcript of 'sabu' stoolie [21:26]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZFND9S ) [21:26]
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asciilifeform wb mike_c [21:35]
mike_c hi alf, thx. [21:35]
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asciilifeform ;;seen kakobrekla [21:43]
gribble kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 51 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: ;;later tell davout http://dpaste.com/2P13Y79.txt [21:43]
kakobrekla yes? [21:43]
asciilifeform kakotest! [21:44]
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deedbot- [Trilema] Autumnal Argentina - http://trilema.com/2016/autumnal-argentina/ [21:48]
asciilifeform ^ looks like mircea_popescu's parrot shot came out slightly better than mine [21:48]
asciilifeform (iirc he has same lens!) [21:48]
asciilifeform fella must've used a class-A meat tripod!11 [21:49]
mircea_popescu it was like a mile away or some shit. [21:52]
asciilifeform '..twelve people between the ages of nine and sixty, including a coupla teenaged girlies, that stops in the door.' << we have these here ! [21:52]
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asciilifeform fuckdamnit i can almost TASTE these parrots. [21:57]
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asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/vqBBXFm.jpg << the one on my hdd. i still have not identified the species. [22:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/21OcKGU ) [22:00]
asciilifeform perhaps ben_vulpes knows [22:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do you have sakuras over there ? [22:01]
asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/XSjyCZm.jpg << sakuras in bloom, from rowboat, partial pet on right hand. [22:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uw3yZo ) [22:06]
asciilifeform falling petals, who can avoid the thought of the goban, the sword, seppuku, forgotten honour!11111 [22:07]
mike_c nice shot. where is that? [22:08]
asciilifeform wash.,d.c. [22:08]
asciilifeform the very middle of it. [22:08]
asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/Q8Oofs3.jpg << 'bitcoin atm'. first time i ever even saw such a thing. [22:12]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uw3ZTr ) [22:12]
asciilifeform was in the lobby of some random food thing. [22:12]
asciilifeform notice the 'hitler-compliant!11' sticker on bottom right hand. [22:15]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I do not have parrots, but most days now I do have titmice flutting about outside [22:31]
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