Forum logs for 25 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	idk 6 hours of week for church and spankings if you talked or moved too much for not being able to sit still for 2 hours << that part's great. stfu and sit put.	[00:00]
bagels7	undata: I'm a victim, I don't have a victim mentality. there is a difference. I did not have the slighest victi mentality from age 4 to age 22 concerning my mom leaving me	[00:00]
jurov	mircea_popescu: how it can be divided from politics? "yeah they're utterly brainwashed zealots, but otherwise i like their political views"???	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	jurov my position is, "their enemies which i don't particularly care for claim they be evil, but otherwise also got beat to shit". this i can go for.	[00:01]
undata	bagels7: touchy subject I'm sure; it'd take nuance to get my point about it across	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	jurov are you reading arabic reports anyway ?	[00:01]
undata	every human shoves along every other human as he/she can; religion's not a special case of that	[00:02]
jurov	not reading	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	because if you're reading the guardian&co, what you see there is coming out of the same sifon that yields the "putin is insane" spritz.	[00:02]
jurov	he isn't insane.i'm merely concerned his doings might get me killed	[00:03]
bagels7	i worked harder than anyone in my class and people would just say im smart so its easy for me and not a bid deal. I was learning japanese because I wanted to go to japan. but my cousin decided to go 5 years later on a whim because well she had suport for every step in her life where as me her mom and my dad held me back. Im just not planning on curing ebola or anything anytime soon.	[00:03]
bagels7	Can't I just make an honest living	[00:03]
chetty	we need правда	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	jurov so if that's your concern oyu gotta move.	[00:04]
bagels7	jehovah witnesses are child abusers and well I'm going to do something about it!	[00:05]
bagels7	maybe have a sunday protest	[00:05]
undata	that's sure to raise awareness	[00:05]
asciilifeform	bagels7: Can't I just make an honest living << at what?	[00:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00043014 = 11.2912 BTC [+]	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	bagels7 the best advice for you is to a) create a list of 100 classical texts written before 1800 ; b) spend two weeks reading NOTHING online but that. not anything. not a single page of popurls or whatever. none.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	then you'll be in a better position to appreciate the inanity currently rotting your brain away.	[00:06]
jurov	i will probably move if it keeps progressing... what was the argument?	[00:07]
undata	mircea_popescu: such a reading list would be a welcome post	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	jurov you didn't like my position on isis and i was trying to articulate it.	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	(your dislike i mean)	[00:07]
asciilifeform	jurov: wait wat!? isis has come to your town ?	[00:07]
jurov	noo, mircea is pulling putin into the discussion	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i said "because if you're reading the guardian&co, what you see there is coming out of the same sifon that yields the "putin is insane" spritz."	[00:08]
jurov	i think what i think because i'm watching RT, too.	[00:08]
undata	jurov: where are you?	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	right, which is how you know he's just realpolitiking all over nuland's face, ass and tits.	[00:09]
jurov	if isis becomes concern, then i may consider their propaganda, too	[00:09]
jurov	undata: slovakia	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	so far their ideology pretty much reduces to "anything us is evil" as best i can tell.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	this is not necessarily a bankrupt approach, arguably even better fitted than "everything us is good"	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	which is in and of itself the saddest indictment one can ever hear about any state.	[00:11]
jurov	i also heard there's an approach somewhere "mircea_popescu is evil"	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	imagine, random chance a better bet. that's the fucking antithesis of statality.	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	im sure there is.	[00:11]
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bagels7	yeah my boyfriend saw trilema and was like "that guy is a terrorist" just from the look	[00:14]
undata	oh dear	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[00:14]
bagels7	does the US "governemnt" kill more inocent people than isis	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	depends on your definition of innocent.	[00:14]
undata	jurov: do you think he's after more than just involving ukraine in a permanent border dispute to foul potential nato membership?	[00:14]
bagels7	innocent as in collateral damage	[00:15]
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mircea_popescu	undata the seaports is the problem.	[00:15]
jurov	undata: there's parallels to sudetenland annexion and numerous other historical precedents.. it's very unlikely putin just stops there.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	look at it from moscow's pov. 1) the us builds a large base at constanta, once europe's largest port by tdw, and mere miles from the russian bases at sevastopol	[00:16]
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mircea_popescu	2) ukraine "joins nato". so what, all of russia to be served by vladivostok ?	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	jurov so he gets what, romania ?	[00:16]
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jurov	transnistria, maybe	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	or else, a landbridge to serbia via bulgaria ?	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	nobody fucking wants transnistria gtfo.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	it's like wanting somaliland.	[00:17]
BingoBoingo	Eh, Putin just needs to cozy up to Cuba	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it's interdictable.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	what any large power needs are land connections to ports all around.	[00:18]
jurov	ok, so you say he just makes land bridge to crimea and then everything stops.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	i don't see why he'd care about anything but sevastopol, myself.	[00:18]
asciilifeform	roach extermination will not stop (unless usg somehow rids itself of mr p)	[00:18]
BingoBoingo	Sure, but if Obola can have Costana, Putin can have a naval base just outside of Guantanamo	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	i doubt he wants it.	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	the russkis understand bases are expensive.	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	in a way teh pentagon doesn't quite yet.	[00:19]
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asciilifeform	usg/nato to ru: 'stop running your nose into my fist!'	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	how do you figure that one !?	[00:21]
asciilifeform	1) create fictional countries carved out of opponent's meat 2) prattle on about 'democracy' and 'legitimacy' 3) ??? 4) profit	[00:22]
jurov	since when this area is ussr's meat?	[00:22]
asciilifeform	jurov: since europe tried to 'grab its gun' in '41 and failed.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	seems tenuous.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	if anything, ukraine is part of poland.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	well, whatever, southern parts romania, but lettuce not quibble :D	[00:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the part with illiterate idiots (west) - yes	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	right.	[00:24]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, european borders. never an established matter.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	the salic law of succession specifically had a 5) and thou shalt not have fixed borders in there.	[00:25]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2014#719530 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2014#719531 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2014#719532	[00:25]
assbot	Logged on 15-06-2014 02:28:38; asciilifeform: 'the Western blok... preferred to view the Eastern European nations as victims of Soviet aggression, ignoring the simple and manly fact (that would have been instantly understood by a Roman) that Soviet legions, without anyone's help, took possession of Eastern Europe via force of arms, answering aggression with aggression. And the Roman would an absurdity - he could not comprehend, in	[00:25]
assbot	Logged on 15-06-2014 02:28:38; asciilifeform: moral justice the legions ought to forsake the lands for which they had paid with their blood. Not only is the transference of conceptions of morality to the evaluation of historical events a phony method, but, if we recall, the moralists - the defeated European nations and the Americans, enemies of the USSR - that is to say, non-impartial moralists - their condemnations sound hollow i	[00:25]
assbot	Logged on 15-06-2014 02:28:38; asciilifeform: of course, unphased by this. We know now that their strategy of psychological war turned out to be a correct one... To establish the injustice, the 'meanness' of the enemy in a moralistic war is every bit as important as winning a pitched battle in a hot war.'	[00:25]
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undata	http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/02/20140220_ukr7.png	[00:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1y9mWyf )	[00:26]
undata	seems like that plays a part ^	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that "without anyone';s help is nonsense". for one thing, there were 3 romanian armies there	[00:26]
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mircea_popescu	!up saifedean	[00:26]
-assbot-	You voiced saifedean for 30 minutes.	[00:26]
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jurov	asciilifeform yes that's russian myth you did it yourselves.	[00:26]
jurov	in fact, staling could push to vienna in 1944	[00:27]
jurov	using areas liberated by slovak nationa uprising	[00:27]
asciilifeform	mail corrections to herr limonov. the basic point stands - ru owned these folks every bit as 'legitimately' as rome owned anything. and then it walked out because its brain was under the control of alien pederasts. whose tendrils are being ejected, slowly but surely.	[00:27]
jurov	but they preferred to shoot themselves in the foot	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform was aurelian under control of alien pederasts ?	[00:27]
jurov	it was actually under control of the pederasts between 1918-198x	[00:28]
asciilifeform	jurov: i'm aware of the nuances, yes. incl. herr tito's story.	[00:28]
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asciilifeform	jurov: 1918 pederasts 'took their land from the wooden plow to atomic bomb.'	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	which way does this proof cut ?	[00:29]
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jurov	so? pakistan has atomic bomb too	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[00:29]
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jurov	meanwhile, murdered vast swathes of own people	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	geopolitics, gotta love em. nobody can keep straight wtf's going on for five lines.	[00:30]
asciilifeform	jurov: pakistan has it with '90s tech. perhaps an eric frein-style weirdo can have one with 2020s tech.	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well... but but the wooden plow people had it with 50s tech ?	[00:30]
undata	http://www.amazon.com/The-Radioactive-Boy-Scout-Backyard/dp/037550351X	[00:31]
asciilifeform	lol, nobody kills 'own people.' you kill 'evil wreckers', dontcha know!	[00:31]
assbot	The Radioactive Boy Scout: The True Story of a Boy and His Backyard Nuclear Reactor: Ken Silverstein: 9780375503511: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6u7pW )	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	or blacks.	[00:31]
asciilifeform	boyscout << tiresome story, endlessly repeated. no chain reaction, nor was it possible.	[00:31]
jurov	there were millions of 'evil wreckers' in ussr?	[00:31]
jurov	do tell	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	jurov i think you miss the points where he's being facetious	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	for teh lulz.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the q i want answered asciilifeform is re aurelian!	[00:32]
jurov	well... and i'm still genuinely interested what he thinks about ussr's eugenic program (gulags)	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	no wai the gulags can be reduced as "eugenic programs"	[00:33]
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jurov	ooh, it was more than that?	[00:34]
jurov	do tell again	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	let's work a model jurov. suppose you're me, and suppose you're stuck doing what i think best (stalin -> lenin relationship)	[00:34]
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mircea_popescu	suppose you end up in charge of the us. now, there happens to exist public record of me saying something about social sciences, professors and fallopian tubes.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	what do you do ?	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	seems putting them all in a large nude colony in montana may work.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	does it ?	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	would it then be an "eugenics program" ?	[00:35]
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BingoBoingo	!b 5	[00:36]
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jurov	if these colony members won't procreate, then basicaly yes	[00:36]
asciilifeform	ru eugenics << wat, with lysenko's theories of heritability? lol!	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	ya srsly.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	jurov well that's then a narrow view you're more than welcome to	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	but should perhaps preface the general statement with a clue. "as far as everything's eugenics, then gulags are eugenics"	[00:37]
asciilifeform	what about aurelian ?	[00:37]
jurov	it's my own nickname for them meant to rile up stan	[00:37]
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mircea_popescu	jurov not sure you realise the problem with your thinking here, but anyway : is homosexuality an eugenic experiment ?	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform he also retreated.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	since the romans were being used as the measurement unit.	[00:38]
asciilifeform	aha	[00:38]
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assbot	jborkl +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[00:38]
asciilifeform	strategic retreat, iirc, no ?	[00:38]
jurov	what? how?	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	!up jborkl	[00:39]
-assbot-	You voiced jborkl for 30 minutes.	[00:39]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but was he being mindcontrolled by aliens.	[00:39]
ben_vulpes	"requires you to get health coverage by the end of the open enrollment period on February 15. If you don’t, this year you’ll have to pay a penalty of $325 per adult or 2 percent of your household income -- whichever is higher." << death of self insurance in the usg	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	orly, 325 or 2% whichever is higher ?!	[00:40]
jurov	ahhh, isee. no homosexuals were not prevented from procreation by "science of people"	[00:40]
ben_vulpes	"give us (healthcare mafia) your money, or else - give us (ordinary communist mafia) your money"	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	jurov no the criteria you enounciated.	[00:40]
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jborkl	all the naked people would freeze in Montana, heh	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	jborkl cool!	[00:41]
jurov	okay my other criterion was that eugenics victims are barred from procreation by "science"	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	not feminists, they got thick scales over all that fat.	[00:41]
jurov	and since soviet govt boasted about being "governed by science" here we are	[00:42]
asciilifeform	what 20th c. mega-empire didn't boast of 'science'? it's nearly obligatory, like the christianity of european kings	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	^	[00:43]
ben_vulpes	nevermind that 325/mo doesn't buy shit insurance here.	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	exactly the right simile there.	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes so laughable, most of the world lives on less than that.	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	in the us tho, you can't even buy insurance	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	us must be fucking dangerous ?	[00:43]
jborkl	well, health insurance for 2 adults and 2 kids is more than my house payment	[00:44]
jurov	i did not mean to pull words. in short, ussr killed so many own people so that ended up with shrinking population	[00:44]
jurov	and i don't see how atomic bomb or other achievements can fix that	[00:44]
asciilifeform	jurov: maximizing meat now?	[00:45]
jurov	?	[00:45]
undata	asciilifeform: at what point would you consider that waste?	[00:45]
asciilifeform	jurov: what, exactly, do we need exponentially growing meat mass for ?	[00:45]
cazalla	bagels7: I'm still rovering from the jehovah witness's and religious brainwashing <<< holy shit, i'm not the only one to suffer this in #b-a	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	apparently we attract you cultish lot!	[00:47]
jurov	where did i say exponentially growing? i said shrinking	[00:47]
undata	asciilifeform: seems like you have a little confirmation bias in there	[00:48]
asciilifeform	jurov: aha, shrinking. but you implied that this is a problem.	[00:48]
undata	"They were killing people and also sputnik therefore killing people."	[00:48]
jurov	if they somehow avoid being overran by chinese then i'll say it isn't a problem	[00:48]
jurov	not before	[00:48]
jurov	in say 20 years	[00:48]
cazalla	bagels7: the beatings were way worse than any bdsm "master" i had <<< lol same, jugcord here, never knew when it might strike or for what reason	[00:48]
bagels7	well there was that one time he broke a spatula that came on par	[00:49]
bagels7	but i totally provoked him	[00:49]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: american doctors are dangerously expensive	[00:49]
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cazalla	bagels7, spatula? you got it easy then	[00:50]
undata	ben_vulpes: when do they start taxing you if you don't have insurance?	[00:50]
undata	feb 15?	[00:50]
bagels7	meh my dad would hurt his hand and he has tough man hands from physcal work all is life	[00:50]
jurov	asciilifeform: and you imply mass trimming ot meat is somwhow necessary. thus, eugenics.	[00:50]
ben_vulpes	undata: yee	[00:51]
bagels7	cazalla: least it wasnt a bat	[00:51]
ben_vulpes	undata: group buy?	[00:51]
undata	ben_vulpes: is it cheaper to just pay the tax?	[00:51]
undata	might be for me, maybe not for you	[00:51]
bagels7	there are 1000s of jehovah witness stories like our, endless pages of forums	[00:51]
cazalla	bagels7, so you're no longer in the truth eh, i must tell you that #b-a is rather worldly	[00:51]
undata	I'm going to be spending a lot of the business income on moar business for a good while	[00:52]
asciilifeform	jurov: meat tends to trim self if left to own devices. spitting on gulag while cheering, say, czar's famines, is like the folks who 'love small business and despise megacorps' here in usa. poorly thought out logic.	[00:52]
bagels7	cazalla: I decided to stop going when i was 15 but then my aunt played her protestant brainwashing guilt trip shit on me	[00:52]
jurov	i'm cheering czar's famines? TIL	[00:53]
bagels7	my aunt who i was living with who decided i could trust her like a mother, i felt more betrayed by her than my bio mother	[00:53]
jurov	long live the romanovs!!!1	[00:53]
asciilifeform	this always bugged me. somehow folks think that starving to death under czar was like dying of co poisoning in a mercedes to the tune of classical music, but starving in ussr is starving in a dumpster with broken glass.	[00:54]
jurov	i was facetions this time	[00:54]
jurov	*facetious	[00:55]
undata	couldn't we like... you know... not starve... man?	[00:55]
jurov	imo both these famines were incredibly wasteful, as there's plenty of arable land	[00:55]
undata	at least this seems like a weird focus	[00:55]
undata	sound money, rule of law, and I think we'd get to a place where most people can at least find food	[00:56]
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undata	let alone send robots to comets or whatever you're into	[00:56]
jurov	basically, as if aliens came and prevented peasants to cultivate it, because atomic bomb was more important	[00:56]
asciilifeform	detectably plenty of starvation in ancient world, even with 'sound money' and good management	[00:57]
bagels7	they didnt have tchonology like today?	[00:57]
jurov	afaik it was not plant starvation in ussr	[00:57]
undata	asciilifeform: what about when you let that run for a while	[00:58]
asciilifeform	mass upheavals plus labour-intensive agriculture -> famine, generally	[00:59]
undata	sure maybe starvation at first, but why the belief that it will always be there?	[00:59]
jurov	all i can say, my parents and grandparents watched all this from some hundred miles away and considered it unbelievable	[00:59]
asciilifeform	undata: in the general, 'malthusian' case - where could it possibly go?	[00:59]
jurov	and it was after mechanized agriculture was available	[01:00]
undata	asciilifeform: there are innumerable things I could do in the present moment that I don't because they don't seem sensible	[01:00]
undata	one of those being fucking until the pile of human flesh I've produced is visible from space	[01:00]
asciilifeform	jurov: available to whom? at what cost? tractors dropped from sky on demand?	[01:00]
jurov	if they could make tanks, why not tractors?	[01:01]
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undata	jurov: my folks grow enough to have everything they need, and the food they produce is delicious	[01:01]
asciilifeform	jurov: tank is a particular type of tractor, let's say. it cultivates sovereignty (or did, in the age of the tank, but why nitpick) rather than edibles.	[01:01]
jurov	and there was no such famine in eastern eutope outside russia inn 20th century	[01:01]
jurov	*europe	[01:01]
asciilifeform	without sovereignty, 'your' tractor - isn't yours. it belongs (along with your starfish) to the big boys.	[01:02]
jurov	but i see you insist... no help here	[01:02]
jurov	germans made tanks too, and did not even had so much arable soil.. no famines there, too	[01:04]
undata	asciilifeform: that a sovereign can do whatever he pleases doesn't necessarily proceed to "therefore he stole all my things and left me in mud"	[01:04]
undata	this comes up a lot in here; why does that follow?	[01:04]
undata	that was my "masturbation implement" rant	[01:04]
jurov	asciilifeform just keeps coming with excuses why his drunkard compatriots can't fend for thmeselves so well	[01:04]
asciilifeform	jurov: feel free to travel back in time and teach lenin et. al. how to retain sovereignty for their country (that is, no colonization, no cultivation of dependence on hostile west) without, well, the cost.	[01:05]
asciilifeform	lol, that my drunken compatriots could not fend for themselves, is as obvious as gravity.	[01:05]
BingoBoingo	The Usian Gendarmie is probably going to have a lot of horses http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/11/19/police_horse_study_increases_trust_authors_say.html	[01:06]
assbot	Police horse study: Increases trust, authors say. ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9tE7t )	[01:06]
jurov	yes it is obvious. there was no famine in the 1990s only because govt came to senses and gave people their own soil	[01:07]
jurov	lenin could do that in 1918	[01:07]
jurov	but no, we cant have kulaks	[01:08]
asciilifeform	jurov: amateur gardens, yes. the traditional 100 sq. metres.	[01:08]
jurov	yes, that's what i mean	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	jurov: maximizing meat now? << as far as i can tell, there's a certain subgroup of transhumanists for whom even the faintest hint of discussion as to whether rivers of meat is the correct minimaxing is "eugenics" which is to say their local equivalent of "fascist" ie, very bad mkay.	[01:08]
asciilifeform	jurov: try to see the difference between 'i like kolkhoz' and 'what they did, made sense'.	[01:09]
undata	mircea_popescu: not-maximizing isn't the same as actively grinding away at your population until as jurov points out the numbers start to really dwindle	[01:09]
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mircea_popescu	bagels7: the beatings were way worse than any bdsm "master" i had <<< lol same << lol wait, bagels7 is into bdsm ?	[01:09]
undata	surely you need some population or what's this sovereignty over?	[01:09]
undata	this to me sounds like a very wealthy man lighting his wealth on fire to display sovereignty	[01:09]
asciilifeform	jurov: and realize that the blowback from present-day usg idiocy will make lenin et. al. look reasonable and gentle. see earlier thread re: isis.	[01:09]
undata	sure, he's sovereign, and he's destroying himself	[01:09]
jurov	asciilifeform: here they did like kolkhozs to an amount bacuse it wasn't done so violently	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	this to me sounds like a very wealthy man lighting his wealth on fire to display sovereignty << afaik the only possible honest signal is exactly this.	[01:10]
undata	hm, interesting	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	by definition you know ? if you're not hurtin yourself then why wouldn't it be fake.	[01:11]
asciilifeform	jurov: incidentally, the most well-founded historical model of gulag etc. i know of is - that meat grinder was built, and became the proverbial 'self-licking icecream cone' after running short on the designated feedstock. a la french rev.	[01:11]
ben_vulpes	undata: if you're taking home more than 16.5K as an individual, it's not cheaper.	[01:11]
undata	ben_vulpes: dumb, k	[01:11]
asciilifeform	there is every reason to expect this behaviour from future meat grinders.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what is us academia if not exactly this ?	[01:12]
asciilifeform	re: wealth on fire:	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	how is it not a gulag ?	[01:12]
asciilifeform	!s stotting	[01:12]
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jurov	asciilifeform: and you prefer it would not came crashing down or what?	[01:12]
undata	mircea_popescu: I see the point about a genuine display of power	[01:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: in the land of 'soft power' - soft gulag. (almost inevitably hands want to say 'soft cocks' also.)	[01:13]
undata	I suppose it depends on the situation as to how much of a display is needed	[01:13]
jurov	just because it was so idiotic it crashed without inflictiong so much damage as usg did/does	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	jurov do you believe that out of two possible situations, the one with more people in it is always best ?	[01:13]
undata	were gulags needed to organize peasants into industrial workers?	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	because if you don't then by your definitions eugenics, and if you do wtf you doing in slovakia instead of say b-a.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform perhaps because it is the case.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	but hey, viagra plugged that hole.	[01:13]
jurov	he one with less people in it is always best, either ?	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	just, headcount is irrelevant in a discussion of bestness.	[01:14]
jurov	i don't see slaughtering own people in such idiotic manner could be better outcome	[01:14]
jurov	if you do, how so?	[01:14]
asciilifeform	undata: basic mechanics here. peasants do not actually need the city-dwellers for anything (at least at the ru circa 1917 tech level.) why should they feed them, if asked nicely? and why would they wish to move to the city and waste away in factories, merely if asked nicely?	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	jurov well, his argument was that from plow to nuke.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	if he makes it whole and says "without the gulags, from congo to CAR"	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	then you can see a line there.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	why did i kill andreas derpopo for that matter ?	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	so others can learn from his corpse, right ?	[01:15]
asciilifeform	ultimately, being a builder of industry at the 1917 (or even today's) tech level, fundamentally sucks. as in, the same way being in prison sucks. so stalin et. al. tried experiment: what if being a peasant sucked -more- ? and - it worked.	[01:15]
jurov	US did do without gulags. until recently	[01:16]
undata	asciilifeform: I see that; in the US many tactics were used, among them property tactics, etc., to coerce people into the cities	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform at least, this;'d be the "most favourable possible ulterior retrospective construction"	[01:16]
undata	*property taxes	[01:16]
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mircea_popescu	undata just look at how the southerners were coerce to become yanks after the war.	[01:16]
asciilifeform	there is also the 'they're idiot orcs' construction. which isn't even false, because, well, orcs.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	they still resent it lol.	[01:16]
asciilifeform	but 'orcs suck and should simply kill themselves instead of sullying the planet with their stench' is not a historical argument.	[01:17]
undata	mircea_popescu: the southern cock will rise again!	[01:17]
undata	:p	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yet the us seems to be bringing it a whole lot these days lol	[01:17]
bagels7	you actually kill people....	[01:18]
asciilifeform	to a 'human', what can be more revolting than an 'orc.' now where was that prison film review by mircea_popescu ?	[01:18]
jurov	i'm confudes now...if its' a good thing, you should then admire the US for its gulag system	[01:18]
jurov	*confused	[01:18]
asciilifeform	the one with 'height of the tallest building' ?	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	bagels7 well, internet-killings.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	uh	[01:19]
bagels7	bare handed internet-killngs, k got it	[01:19]
undata	wut	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/un-prophete/ ?	[01:19]
assbot	Un prophète pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9vEMZ )	[01:19]
asciilifeform	jurov: u.s. gulag system, afaik, is merely an expensive waste of time, like their aircraft carriers.	[01:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: yes! it.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "but nobody would dare sink a carrier, because THEN ITD MEAN THEYRE SERIOUS ANBD FOR REAL!!!!"	[01:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: but i brought it up on account of 'orcs' rather than gulag. what orcs look like to human.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	and nobody could conceivably wish to do anything seriously	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	this sort of ablated hipsterism is what passes for strategic thinking in the us.	[01:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha. in the words of herr kokkarinen: 'modern hipster is not being rogered, because the cock is entering ironically(tm)'	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	the entire "putin doesn't understand how thwe world works" and "oh horror x! oh horror y!" is really the voice of a deconstructed postmodern intellect confronted with the sheer obscenity of reality.	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	the substance of the squal of the little girl confronted with the underside of a large boulder exposed to air	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	that's it.	[01:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: also tied in to your 'then the centurion walks in, a different kind of man' story.	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	which one is that one ?	[01:23]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'the west gate fell. all is lost.' that one	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	oh oh .	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-idea-for-a-great-film/	[01:23]
assbot	The idea for a great film... pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FllE3z )	[01:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha! it.	[01:24]
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mircea_popescu	bagels7 so what do you do for a living anyway	[01:33]
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mircea_popescu	detectably plenty of starvation in ancient world, even with 'sound money' and good management << quite. famine is a great motivator, and to be honest i do not see why half the population should not at all points be hungry.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	they don't like it, let them displace the other half.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	they didnt have tchonology like today? <<< they didn't need it, because they weren't nearly as many.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	and it was after mechanized agriculture was available << it was not at all available. do you know what the tachanka was ? Makhno's thing.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	that's the clear and incontrovertible proof that mechanized agriculture wasn't available even beyond the pale. let alone inside russia proper.	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	and there was no such famine in eastern eutope outside russia inn 20th century << silesia famine in 1850 ? hongerwinter ?	[01:39]
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jurov	i said 20th century	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	dutch famine was in 1944	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	whioch reminds me. asciilifeform you know the irish "fear gortha" ?	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	pretty much like the russian.	[01:42]
jurov	afaik ussr had to import grain consistently	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	uh... no ?	[01:42]
jurov	from the west, even.	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	nah, the famines were criminal particularly because stalin's soviets were net exporters.	[01:43]
mats_cd03	;;tslb	[01:43]
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jurov	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_trade_of_the_Soviet_Union pediwikia mentions grain imports specifically	[01:44]
assbot	Foreign trade of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9zs0H )	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	jurov and if you also count greece as part of europe, they had a famine tambien.	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	jurov you mean in the 80s ?	[01:45]
jurov	it was supposedly during foreign occupation	[01:45]
jurov	the greek one	[01:45]
jurov	yes, ussr imports in the 1980s. there was modern agriculture and irrigation available then, i suppose?	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	by 1980 the globalisation of trade makes such approach useless.	[01:46]
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mircea_popescu	they imported grain because it was cheap	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	as a result of the canadian explosion.	[01:46]
jurov	even if that meant debt?	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	iirc their balance of trade was <10% of their gdp	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	so... sure. who cares.	[01:47]
mats_cd03	http://www.zdnet.com/now-we-know-who-developed-state-sponsored-regin-malware-7000036111 << heh.	[01:48]
assbot	UK, US behind Regin malware, attacked European Union networks \| ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9A7PG )	[01:48]
jurov	my grandpa was technical manager in 1980s and explained the hoops they had to jump to buy any equipment from the west	[01:49]
jurov	it was cuz they bought grain instead?	[01:49]
jurov	well, clearly they had their priorities	[01:49]
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mircea_popescu	jurov czechoslovakia isn't soviet russia tho or what are we talking about here	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	generally, the leadership of "socii", ie "allies" ie vassals is worse than at the center.	[01:51]
jurov	it was same in russia. iirc stan said something about his grandpad making film projectors without german parts	[01:51]
jurov	*grandpa	[01:51]
jurov	they saved on high tech to buy grain, i can esily see it	[01:52]
jurov	and now he's like "so go tell lenin what he did wrong, now you have it easy in hindsight"	[01:53]
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mircea_popescu	didn't bagels7 just bitch that her dad didn'g buy her a computer ? im sure he must at some point have bought some grain too.	[01:53]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, lenin's nep got cut short pre-war.	[01:53]
jurov	she did not starve into death nor hes exorbitant debts	[01:54]
jurov	*has	[01:54]
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mircea_popescu	well inasmuch as something still exists for putin to run over, neither has russia "starved to death" ?	[01:54]
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mircea_popescu	you understand some people must die, right ?	[01:55]
jurov	i don't understand why so many	[01:55]
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mircea_popescu	ah. well that's always going to be an open debate.	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	generally, because socialist government is by definition inept, i guess.	[01:56]
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undata	on the one hand I agree; something has to be the filter	[02:03]
undata	poverty, gulags, w/e	[02:03]
undata	on the other, it seems the gulag option tends to be... I guess too damned efficient	[02:03]
jurov	the filter to that goal?	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	it's not efficient at all.	[02:04]
jurov	*what goal	[02:04]
undata	mircea_popescu: at its self-licking task of chewing up the population	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	ah. well... that';s not so great.	[02:05]
undata	mircea_popescu: seems like poverty's the best option	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	jurov in general, so that most of each generation succumbs to avoidable causes, and most of the survivors don't dare speak.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	in particular, fucking depends.	[02:06]
jurov	we can try to learn, that's all	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[02:09]
undata	I like the idea of paying people to agree to sterilization.	[02:10]
cazalla	undata, who pays?	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	i don't. stop trying to get idiots to "agree".	[02:11]
jurov	cazalla is interested after recent experience?	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	if they're some people whose agreement you seek, they shouldn't be sterilised.	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	if they should be sterilised, you have no conceivable reason to seek their approval.	[02:11]
cazalla	jurov, bit late for that	[02:11]
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undata	cazalla: if I'm in the position to consider the cost of using secret police or something to get it done, I might	[02:12]
undata	not that I am	[02:12]
undata	haha	[02:12]
undata	the agreement is just part of the cheese on the trap	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	yes, and the thing trapped is you.	[02:13]
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jurov	lol actually we had here an affair with forced sterilization of gypsy women	[02:13]
undata	jurov: they did it here (USA) in the 50s I think, maybe on into the 70s	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	i can't begin to imagine why. all the good slovak fucks i had were gypsy	[02:13]
undata	hah, looks like it was the 1920s onward	[02:14]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-two-aspects-of-my-urban-negro/	[02:25]
assbot	The two aspects of my urban negro. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJUCoF )	[02:25]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu, what is that, a biscuit or something?	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	prolly	[02:28]
BingoBoingo	Needs a follow up, what is in the bag?	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	prolly some dolche de leche confection	[02:30]
cazalla	976KB, largest block evar?	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	;;google "my urban negro"	[02:30]
gribble	Urban Dictionary: negro: ; Urban Dictionary: Quantum Negro: ; Urban Dictionary: negro amigo:	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	hm	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	my search returns my own fucking page ;/	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	anwyay, it's an alfajore.	[02:30]
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mircea_popescu	“Regulation - which is based on force and fear - undermines the moral base of business dealings. It becomes cheaper to bribe a building inspector than to meet his standards of construction. A fly-by-night securities operator can quickly meet all the S.E.C. requirements, gain the inference of respectability, and proceed to fleece the public. In an unregulated economy, the operator would have had to spend a number of y	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	ears in reputable dealings before he could earn a position of trust sufficient to induce a number of investors to place funds with him. Protection of the consumer by regulation is thus illusory.”	[02:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.00043924 = 17.1743 BTC [+] {2}	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	guess teh author.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	ah if only bitcoin were around in the 90s, back when greenspan was still in charge.	[02:36]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.polygon.com/2014/11/23/7271537/what-if-video-games-sponsored-crappy-college-football-bowls << Hurpity	[02:40]
assbot	What if video games sponsored crappy college football bowls? \| Polygon ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJYvK9 )	[02:40]
asciilifeform	'Compared to Stuxnet, the state-sponsored malware whose creators have never been confirmed, the recently-discovered trojan...' << wtf. confirmed as daylight.	[02:41]
asciilifeform	as mircea_popescu said, iirc, 'they want to be boiled in oil'	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	btw, to help publicise the most important, and therefore least well known aspect of the us justice system :	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	”If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence ... and the courts must abide by that decision.“	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	US v Moylan, 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, 1969, 417 F.2d at 1006	[02:42]
asciilifeform	!s nullification	[02:43]
assbot	6 results for 'nullification' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nullification	[02:43]
mthreat	ah my urban negro	[02:43]
asciilifeform	known to a million people, but jury selection is typically such that they never sit	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	but otherwise, an undisputed and for that matter indisputable string of caselaw.	[02:43]
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mircea_popescu	mthreat ever had it ?	[02:43]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well, can't hurt to inform another million.	[02:43]
mthreat	i think so... alfajores everywhere here	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	if nothing else, decent odds it'll get you out of jury duty	[02:43]
mthreat	we got some dulce de leche liquor recently	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	i don't really trust mass produced sweets. in house all the way!	[02:44]
*	mthreat always gets out of jury duty, as an ex-felon ;)	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	o, you can never be on a jury now ?	[02:44]
asciilifeform	only reason usg still bothers with juries, is that they can generally be relied on to play ball, and this state of affairs is reasonably simple to maintain.	[02:44]
mthreat	ya. and funnily enough, i once got a jury summons from the very court that convicted me.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	lol	[02:45]
mthreat	i think they did it to screw with me ;)	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	so did you go ?	[02:45]
mthreat	hell no	[02:45]
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mircea_popescu	why not lol	[02:45]
mthreat	although honestly, i wish i could serve on a jury	[02:45]
mthreat	i'd takeover that jury!	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	no you won't lol.	[02:46]
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mircea_popescu	if you want practice, go to boring women's thanksgiving parties.	[02:46]
mats_cd03	jury duty sucks. plebs don't care a whit about proper execution of justice.	[02:46]
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mircea_popescu	pick up a waitress or something around november.	[02:46]
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mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 i think the great theory goes, that you don't need people who care, or who are competent, or understand anything etc. you just need enough of them.	[02:48]
danielpbarron	http://fija.org/	[02:48]
assbot	Jury Nullification \| Fully Informed Jury Association ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK0AWp )	[02:48]
mats_cd03	i sat. paid mere shillings per day ... and idiot walked, because jury couldn't be bothered	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	what case was it ?	[02:48]
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mats_cd03	negligent discharge, officer killed a bystander in hot pursuit	[02:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2608 @ 0.00043292 = 1.1291 BTC [+]	[02:50]
mats_cd03	lemme see if i can find proceedings	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	dun bother. was just curious for the summary	[02:51]
mats_cd03	i remember thinking at the time,	[02:52]
mats_cd03	rules of engagement in afghan are more stringent than this.	[02:52]
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cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/11/ftc-argue-that-bfl-should-not-resume-operations/	[02:59]
assbot	FTC Argue That BFL Should Not Resume Operations \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK3QkJ )	[02:59]
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BingoBoingo	http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/11/facebooks-auto-playing-videos-in-an-isis-era/	[03:06]
bagels7	[18:30] <+mircea_popescu> bagels7 so what do you do for a living anyway << I hardly make a living, I depend on people	[03:06]
assbot	Facebook’s auto-playing videos in an ISIS era \| Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK5tyI )	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	how does that work ?	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	cazalla well they prolly have a point.	[03:07]
asciilifeform	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/woman-posts-love-of-isis-on-facebook-charged-with-promoting-terrorism << mega-lol	[03:07]
bagels7	my boyfriend pays the rent	[03:07]
assbot	Woman posts “love” of ISIS on Facebook, charged with “promoting” terrorism \| Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK5IKp )	[03:07]
asciilifeform	bagels7: 'occupation: pet' ?	[03:08]
bagels7	asciilifeform: no he isn't like that	[03:08]
cazalla	ISIS in the news down under again too http://www.smh.com.au/national/young-islamic-state-supporter-abuses-christian-school-students-prior-to-counterterrorism-raids-20141124-11sr7z.html	[03:08]
assbot	Young Islamic State supporter abuses Christian school students prior to counter-terrorism raids ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK5VNI )	[03:08]
cazalla	cazalla well they prolly have a point <<< not that it matters at this point	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	bagels7 so what do you do, cook and clean ? give head ? sing & play the harp?	[03:10]
bagels7	actually he cooks because he likes to cook, I used to cook.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform teh old guys are really worried that the young guys may find out that the young girls are more impressed with isis-ing than with whatever the old guys clamor to be impressing them.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	hey cazalla meet bagels7	[03:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'find out' ? lol.	[03:12]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: as if it were not obvious as daylight.	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well da fuck else lol.	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	nah but see, not what i mean. obviously the ones that are worth two shits don't need to find out.	[03:12]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, cause i need another woman that can't cook or clean?	[03:12]
asciilifeform	if not for the cultural wall, whole planet would be banging on the caliph's door	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	but the large bulk of pointless idiots that are telling themselves stories	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	should not get to confront the storytelling nature of their activity.	[03:12]
undata	hm, jailing people for "support"?	[03:12]
bagels7	I like clean very much and do the floors almost daily	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	undata it's more amusing than that. 50 years ago, the fucktarded feminists in charge were all about how "love is the answer to all problems"	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	now they changed their tune, loving the wrong guys is no longer the cure.	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	poor unloved isis, no wonder it's going to rape the mdcss in corpore.	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	THEY WERENT LOVED!	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, leaving aside the "0 comments, nobody carres" part : http://mdcss.org/mdcss-congratulates-2014-award-winners/	[03:15]
assbot	Maryland Council for Social Studies \| MDCSS Congratulates 2014 Award Winners ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK7U4u )	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	why are there no men being given trophies ?	[03:15]
undata	mircea_popescu: why is no one embarassed by this kind of thing?	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	what is this bullshit ? i demand equal trophies given to men.	[03:15]
undata	we might as well just roll over and piss in the air	[03:15]
undata	if we can't handle them	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	undata because the ones that'd have enough sense for such a thing long left for isis ?	[03:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that thing you dug up is some kind of appreciation award for schoolteachers. in usa 'social studies' is what they (for no reason i know of, despite being there) renamed 'history/geography' class in primary school.	[03:16]
undata	as long as we're all clear that the US is well into "jailing people for opinions" territory on this	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform soooo ?	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	still no men.	[03:17]
undata	not new behavior for us	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	undata love is not an oppinion.	[03:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: there are very few men teaching history in usa primary school level.	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform soooo ?	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	equal trophies motherfucker!	[03:17]
asciilifeform	l0l	[03:17]
undata	mircea_popescu: er um, words. she said certain words that are apparently very dangerous	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	no. i will not have my pov invalidated by ridicule!	[03:17]
asciilifeform	was anyone able to load the court document re: isiswoman ?	[03:18]
undata	"it's hot in here, someone kill the thermometer"	[03:18]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[03:18]
bagels7	I make cardboard geometric solids, pretty much all of them, I read crappy news and start crappy arguements with silly opiniated people	[03:19]
asciilifeform	'She is accused of telling an undercover FBI agent that she could help facilitate sending somebody to join the ISIS fight in Syria, and she then lied to FBI agents about it.'	[03:19]
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asciilifeform	re: 'lying':	[03:19]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546880 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546881	[03:19]
assbot	Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her pu	[03:19]
assbot	Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptibl	[03:19]
undata	asciilifeform: a documentary comes to mind about the feds helping a group of black dudes "attempt an act of terrorism"	[03:20]
asciilifeform	undata: SOP	[03:20]
asciilifeform	!s new york death ray	[03:20]
assbot	6 results for 'new york death ray' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=new+york+death+ray	[03:20]
asciilifeform	this is, without exception, how it works	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	bagels7 well like that i can't imagine how you could avoid depression.	[03:21]
asciilifeform	1) find an idiot 2) cultivate his (or her!) idiocy in a 'terrorist'-flavoured direction 3) arrest, trial 4) profit	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this "and then she lied about it" reminds me of a very particular thing that struck me a while back.	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	lemme dig it out.	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html	[03:22]
assbot	I am able to move small objects with my mind. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK9xiw )	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	"We would never strike a student and whether the software is pirated or not is not the issue. He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable."	[03:22]
asciilifeform	the 'and then lied' thing (as reflected in earlier quote) is used to add a zero or two to the 'potential prison time' and make the chump play ball ('plea bargain')	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	this struck me when i read it because it is an exact reprise of the scholastics backing the inquisiton :	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	"we punish not for what they did, but because they think they should be punished"	[03:23]
asciilifeform	'Of course, if the school ever found out that he had given Lissa his own password, it would be curtains for both of them as students, regardless of what she had used it for. School policy was that any interference with their means of monitoring students' computer use was grounds for disciplinary action. It didn't matter whether you did anything harmful—the offense was making it hard for the administrators to check on you. Th	[03:23]
asciilifeform	ey assumed this meant you were doing something else forbidden, and they did not need to know what it was.'	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	now, how some uncultured lout in australia and a bunch of uncultured louts in the us managed to reinvent the exact pits of scholastic thought in 15th century europe	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	is quite beyond me	[03:23]
asciilifeform	(the well-known 'right to read' by rms. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html )	[03:23]
assbot	The Right to Read	[03:24]
bagels7	mircea_popescu: I started making shapes to originally deal with depression in the first place and originally i was just making drawings	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	bagels7 how about just start doing something.	[03:24]
undata	!b2	[03:24]
undata	:(	[03:24]
bagels7	after i broke up with my boyfriend I was in a different state of mind	[03:24]
undata	doing something is always a good move	[03:24]
bagels7	mircea_popescu: what specifically	[03:27]
cazalla	bagels7, you know, if you go do some witnesses, jehovah will fill your heart will joy!	[03:27]
cazalla	witnessing even.. this fkn alcohol and my brain	[03:27]
undata	I have a weird theory on depression, that it can often be a sort of phantom suffering phenomenon	[03:27]
undata	like a phantom limb	[03:27]
bagels7	cazallaI have had enough "spiritual meals" from them in for a million life times	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	bagels7 i dunno, learn how to program computers and start contributing to a project. learn how to turn tricks and start doing outcalls.	[03:27]
undata	that most people actually don't get the recommended dose of suffering to calibrate their head	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	learn how to fix cars and go work in a garage.	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	somrthing, anything.	[03:28]
bagels7	outcalls doesn't lead anywhere good, does it	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	sure it does. you get laid, make money, meet interestinf people...	[03:28]
cazalla	bagels7, you know how to door knock, what's the difference?	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	like anything else. work is work.	[03:28]
bagels7	oh yeah. I have a client that does programming he hates it	[03:29]
bagels7	ubisoft pays well though	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	a papier mache solids client ?	[03:29]
undata	bagels7: if you are - as you appear to be - in canada, eat some vitamin d, eh?	[03:30]
undata	which reminds me to do the same...	[03:30]
bagels7	no an outcall client that is a programmer f	[03:30]
bagels7	yeah thanks for the reminder	[03:30]
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bagels7	I wish i would meat interesting people but it's not like they want to talk about work with me	[03:31]
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mircea_popescu	bagels7 ah, you're actually a whore ?	[03:34]
bagels7	I like to garden but I don't have any land...it's just nice being in a yard with chicken in the background	[03:34]
bagels7	yeah a black girl in a park recruited me	[03:34]
undata	lol what	[03:34]
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bagels7	I don't get in cars with stangers though, that's how people disappear	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	is it any fun ?	[03:35]
bagels7	sometimes	[03:35]
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bagels7	I saw some fancy hotels and some guys are nice and one even took me to the restaurant twice	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	how many guys do you do a week ?	[03:37]
bagels7	some guys are gross and I deal with it	[03:37]
BingoBoingo	30 minutes left, dunno why they are waiting this late in the night. Almost like the police want a riot http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/grand-jury-has-reached-decision-in-ferguson-case/article_3ac5a3fa-4ae0-584a-8bf6-40b2ea8c89c2.html	[03:37]
assbot	Grand jury has reached decision in Ferguson case, announcement set for 8 p.m. : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKduni )	[03:37]
bagels7	Only a few times a month, no more than 5 though sometimes perhaps twice that	[03:37]
mthreat	memories of Los Angeles 1992	[03:38]
mthreat	rodney king	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	bagels7 why so unserious ?	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	you must to 30-50 guys a week. each week.	[03:38]
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bagels7	why..	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	so as to make a pile of money.	[03:39]
danielpbarron	because bitcoin is really cheap right now :p	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	then you can go to egypt, marry a local man with a harem, live the rest of your days in a garden with some chickens	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	all of which bipedal, some of which laying eggs,	[03:40]
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mircea_popescu	others of which speaking arabic and treating you like teh matriarch	[03:40]
bagels7	that sounds lovely	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	so go for it.	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	how much for half and half ?	[03:40]
bagels7	whats that	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	when you suck a dude and then fuck him.	[03:41]
bagels7	Im supposed to charge extra for that?	[03:41]
bagels7	its like 180 an hour	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	no lol, im just trying to find out how much you charge.	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	so then, 50 worked hours a week ~= 9k, in six weeks you have enough to implement this plan.	[03:42]
bagels7	oh no I only make 80 + tips	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	what, you got like a pimp ?	[03:43]
bagels7	like an agency	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	an agency that takes half hour money ? what is this ?	[03:44]
bagels7	is that not normal?	[03:44]
mthreat	even apple only takes 30%!	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	no it's not normal. 10-15% is an agency. over that, it's a pimp.	[03:44]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[03:45]
bagels7	well working by myself I keep getting guys that mess around	[03:45]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2FGMQXK.txt )	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	no fucking idea why an agency'd take a pefcent anyway.	[03:45]
bagels7	newspaper ads?	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	fixed rate, hired for their services. phone screening or w/e it is, comes to 10 an hour.	[03:45]
bagels7	yeah i been meaning to look around	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	how long have you been working at this ?	[03:45]
bagels7	4 years of which i didnt work a year	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	i tell you, a serious girl HERE makes more than the 80 plus tips 5 times a month you're talking about.	[03:46]
BingoBoingo	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=311	[03:46]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1zn9PIe )	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	and in four years you should already have a list of perms longer than your legs.	[03:46]
cazalla	bagels7, be a gamer girl cammer, some girls are getting thousand dollar tips on twitch	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	how old are you anyway ?	[03:47]
bagels7	26	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	Almost like the police want a riot << i bet you at least half the police want a riot. logically : 1) all these sweet toys they only get to play with if there's a riot ; 2) police funding depends on riots, their salaries may be on the line in all cases except if there;s a riot ; 3) these uppity niggers ? fuck them!!1 let's show em who's baws.	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	bagels7 so get to work, but seriously.	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	make simple rules : no six cocks today, no food.	[03:49]
bagels7	yeah I guess I should get in shape and do my own independent thing	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	push dat hussle.	[03:49]
bagels7	its not always cock	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	and if the town you're in can't provide more cock than you can scissor up, fucking move from that shitspot.	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	go to oman.	[03:50]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: And of course the last thing they might be considering is the outcome where the police lose.	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	are you white/blonde ?	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "i just work here"	[03:50]
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mircea_popescu	roughly the same fuckwits end up recruited by ganglords or the police, you realise. how many retarded kids think of the outcome where they get killed, on any one job ?	[03:51]
bagels7	im a white red head	[03:51]
bagels7	im not like hot or anything	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	bagels7 that doesn't affect how many people you fuck, just how much you can ask per.	[03:52]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well none of them think that. At least not the ones who go police. Because Hollywood and stuff.	[03:52]
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mircea_popescu	in fact, prime girls have more of a problem trying to keep the engine going than A and B cuts.	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	they end up having to do a lot of jetting back and forth.	[03:53]
BingoBoingo	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3P_2h3CYAAPs3D.jpg << 0.o	[03:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1znb7CY )	[03:53]
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cazalla	bagels7, you don't have to be hot to be a gamer girl, just play games and talk to the nerds and they'll send you tips, example - http://www.twitch.tv/karmaah 565 viewers and she is ugly, Top Single Donation : Jamspr $750 Top Donator : Jared0x90 $2540 holy fuck if i was a girl i'd be on there playing pokemon for tips all day	[03:53]
assbot	Twitch ... ( http://bit.ly/1znbbm4 )	[03:53]
bagels7	mirceau_popescu: yes but I am in a special non typical domain which is not interesting to most men	[03:53]
undata	BingoBoingo: fuckin badass man, like call of duty takes selfie	[03:53]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla may be on to something. play nekkid wow all day lmao.	[03:54]
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mircea_popescu	bagels7 what's that ?	[03:54]
bagels7	transsexual escorts	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	oh	[03:55]
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mircea_popescu	uh. so what do you do, anal ?!	[03:55]
bagels7	or what they call "shemales"	[03:55]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, twitch updated their rules, you can't show a tonne of cleavage anymore, this girl - kaceytron - her fault http://www.twitch.tv/kaceytron	[03:55]
assbot	Twitch ... ( http://bit.ly/1znbyNG )	[03:55]
BingoBoingo	bagels7: There's still LiveJasmin or whatever.	[03:56]
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mircea_popescu	!up Belxjander	[03:57]
-assbot-	You voiced Belxjander for 30 minutes.	[03:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49618 @ 0.00043275 = 21.4722 BTC [-] {2}	[03:57]
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cazalla	BingoBoingo, myfreecams > livejasmin	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo from what i hear camwhoring is doing poorly these days, most of the girls i knew killing the cams years ago are moving back to fucking	[03:57]
BingoBoingo	Ah. I wonder how many guys going from videos to cams just made the jump to actual escorts.	[03:58]
bagels7	i still have like 500 dollars I can't claim on cam4 because my friend went on it and now they want said friends ID	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	bagels7 stop thinking about hundreds of dollars. whoring is a "five digit or go home" sort of affair.	[04:00]
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bagels7	yeah but i was just desperately poor	[04:00]
bagels7	I didnt want to make a living, do I have to be famous now	[04:00]
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mircea_popescu	you won't have a bf paying your rent when you're 48.	[04:00]
BingoBoingo	http://www.ustream.tv/Channel/St-Louis-County-Police-Scanner << Shots fired	[04:01]
assbot	St. Louis County Police Scanner on USTREAM: This is an audio stream of the St. Louis County Police scanners.	[04:01]
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bagels7	I prayed to god for a better way to make money, In fact I prayed just before I met that girl, go figure	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	i thought only jews pray for money	[04:01]
bagels7	i prayed for direction	[04:01]
BingoBoingo	This is the first time I've listened to a police scanner feed and not been incredibly bored	[04:03]
xanthyos	oh nice time to tune in, dpb	[04:04]
xanthyos	jew comments great	[04:04]
bagels7	how the hell can I make 5 digits doing THAT	[04:04]
xanthyos	i thought these people were on a higher tier than the tinychat schlubs	[04:04]
xanthyos	awesome	[04:04]
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cazalla	chrome wheels!	[04:05]
BingoBoingo	A maroon pontiac grand prix	[04:05]
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danielpbarron	bagels7, try praying to the God of The Bible next time	[04:08]
mthreat	i know there's a strippers forum online, there's probably a prostitute one too	[04:08]
bagels7	danielpbarron: what other gods are there?	[04:08]
mthreat	where they talk about how to make more money, etc	[04:08]
cazalla	danielpbarron, even Indiana Jones knew God's name is Jehovah (yes, they cherry picked shit like that)	[04:08]
danielpbarron	bagels7, we are all gods	[04:08]
kakobrekla	shut the fuck up.	[04:09]
bagels7	danielpbarron: Now you sound like maryjane	[04:09]
BingoBoingo	#ChromeWheels is our Dog now.	[04:09]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: police scanner << lol, there's still a city where police radio is plaintext ?	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well, trunked I imagine. Long periods of silence though so maybe this is the channel of least interest.	[04:12]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: outcome where the police lose << what's that look like? rioters bulldoze all the way to washington ?	[04:12]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Or instead they start a Caliphate in Eastern Missouri.	[04:13]
asciilifeform	'Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.' (tm)	[04:13]
asciilifeform	police - don't lose.	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	;;ud ESS	[04:13]
undata	meanwhile http://fox2now.com/on-air/live-streaming-2/	[04:13]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ess \| Ess. A Cambodian expression used when a guy talks in a neutral tone while sounding like he's showing off. Either he's joking by blowing it out of proportion or ...	[04:13]
assbot	Live Streaming 2 \| FOX2now.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1znfjTd )	[04:13]
danielpbarron	bagels7, http://www.atruechurch.info/murray.html Is it not written in your law, "I said, 'You are gods'"? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, "You are blaspheming," because I said, "I am the Son of God"? (John 10:34-36, bold added)	[04:13]
assbot	A True Church - Arnold Murray ... ( http://bit.ly/1znfldH )	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	anyone know what this "ESS" is supposed to be in "natural law" clueless nitwittery ?	[04:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00043753 = 11.8133 BTC [+]	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	i know there's a strippers forum online, there's probably a prostitute one too << there';s at least a hundred, of each.	[04:14]
bagels7	mircea_popescu: It seems comon for agencies to take half	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform here's what it looks like : http://oradereligie.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/timisoara_revolutie.jpg	[04:16]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1znfQVc )	[04:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: photo is not distinguishable from a 'maidan' scene	[04:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: (yes, we know it was another animal, but how can one tell from photo.)	[04:17]
cazalla	undata, it's all white people inside on that video, all black people outside in the other stream i'm watching	[04:17]
undata	cazalla: seems about right	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	spot any milytsia in there ?	[04:17]
BingoBoingo	Tow truck trying to get through	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	cause at the time they were desperate for a friend, a relative, anyone, to hide them somewhere lest they be lynched.	[04:17]
asciilifeform	no ethnic sides in ro afaik	[04:18]
cazalla	i can see borat at bottom left of mid in that image	[04:18]
cazalla	http://imgur.com/ClyI0xJ	[04:18]
BingoBoingo	Whelp, no charges.	[04:18]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1zngq5g )	[04:18]
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BingoBoingo	And the radio feed is silent	[04:19]
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thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: i like how they have yet to announce the indictment. has it leaked yet?	[04:22]
asciilifeform	wtf is the morse doing in there	[04:22]
asciilifeform	anybody catch it ?	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	I heard	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Seems just announced	[04:22]
*	BingoBoingo wants to know what happened to maroon grand prix chrome wheels	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/natural-law-and-the-problem-of-definitions/	[04:23]
assbot	Natural law, and the problem of definitions. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1znhcPP )	[04:23]
asciilifeform	lol it's like they broadcast a 'gentlemen, start your engines, riot now'.	[04:25]
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decimation	asciilifeform: morse is commonly used in the us by those ignorant of it	[04:25]
decimation	buses, cop radios, etc	[04:25]
asciilifeform	decimation: why ?	[04:25]
decimation	the reason: the FCC requires station identification	[04:25]
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decimation	each one of those transmitters is given a special pass from stalin, and he requires continual reminders	[04:26]
asciilifeform	decimation: for police ?!	[04:26]
decimation	absolutely	[04:26]
decimation	after all, there's only one real sovereign	[04:26]
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decimation	for instance, to find something in your backyard: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/results.jsp	[04:28]
assbot	License Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1zniiLv )	[04:28]
decimation	shit, of course it is web 2.0	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	interesting	[04:28]
decimation	here's another database http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?frn=0002134286	[04:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00043753 = 11.9008 BTC [+]	[04:28]
assbot	Callsigns for FCC FRN: 0002134286 (MARYLAND, STATE OF) ... ( http://bit.ly/1znioCB )	[04:28]
asciilifeform	decimation: actual scanner is more interesting	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	decimation so how come you can put up wireless net ?	[04:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 2.4G (and a few other bands) are statutorily 'special' in usa	[04:29]
decimation	http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=1286402	[04:29]
assbot	ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - KJH201 - MARYLAND NATIONAL CAPITAL PARK & PLANNING COMMISSION ... ( http://bit.ly/1zniCtB )	[04:29]
asciilifeform	ianal - but iirc, only wattage is regulated in the 'license-free' bands	[04:29]
decimation	most of the entries in this database are woefully inaccurate	[04:29]
BingoBoingo	4 guns stolen out of a vehicle	[04:30]
decimation	mircea_popescu: I've been trying to model a long distance version	[04:30]
decimation	a low speed version is possible without a license	[04:30]
BingoBoingo	8146044	[04:30]
BingoBoingo	^ Some sort of code	[04:30]
decimation	asciilifeform: 2.4 ghz and 915 mhz bands alllow 1 watt out of amplifier if the waveform is spread spectrum	[04:30]
danielpbarron	looks like a phone number	[04:31]
decimation	sometimes the morse is a network or channel number	[04:31]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: They didn't specify an area code, would be necessary. StL metro isn't that small	[04:31]
decimation	the vast majority of police radio systems in the us use 'apco-25'	[04:31]
asciilifeform	project-25'	[04:31]
decimation	typically trunked with a motorola control channel	[04:31]
decimation	exactly	[04:32]
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decimation	project 25 is a study in poorly wraught beltway banditry	[04:32]
asciilifeform	quite a few cities have aes'd project-25 (sometimes with null key, perversely)	[04:32]
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bagels7	oman is weird, they have transsexual women but being gay is illegal. must be a rich country	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	it is rich yes.	[04:33]
decimation	asciilifeform: indeed. it was a big fight in many areas: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/19/arkansas-men-file-lawsuit-over-police-encryption/	[04:33]
assbot	Arkansas men file lawsuit over police encryption - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1znjqPd )	[04:33]
decimation	scanner listening used to only be a hobby for a few harmless weirdos	[04:33]
asciilifeform	afaik gestapo (fbi, dea, dhs, etc., etc) are 100% crypted now	[04:33]
asciilifeform	and no lawsuits.	[04:33]
decimation	then the 'iphone-streaming remote scanner apps' became popular	[04:33]
decimation	and the poor innocents that undata lauds suddenly listened with intense interest	[04:34]
undata	decimation: what are you talking about?	[04:34]
decimation	feds have been encrypted for a much longer time	[04:34]
decimation	undata: the poor blacks that are constantly murdered by the police	[04:34]
decimation	and not each other	[04:34]
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BingoBoingo	From reutersemily https://twitter.com/FlitterOnFraud/status/537069910321790977	[04:35]
assbot	No indictment of Darren Wilson in the shooting of Michael Brown. Heading to /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash tomorrow. See you soon.	[04:35]
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BingoBoingo	THROWING AMMUNITION?	[04:35]
undata	decimation: where do you live?	[04:35]
decimation	in the us	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo why the heck is she involved, wasn't she doing finance ?	[04:36]
undata	this "but they shoot each other" thing misses the point entirely	[04:36]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That's what I thought.	[04:36]
undata	the thing I hate is the bullshit	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	apparently professionalism isn't what it used to be	[04:36]
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BingoBoingo	Maybe its recreational mircea_popescu "disaster tourism"	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:36]
decimation	I've always wondered why there's no 'tour the ghetto' bus in wash dc or baltimore	[04:37]
*	asciilifeform was taken on just such a tour once! private.	[04:37]
decimation	right, but I'm talking about a public tour that leaves from union station every hour	[04:37]
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mircea_popescu	decimation there is/(was?) one in south africa.	[04:37]
undata	masturbation everywhere	[04:38]
asciilifeform	^	[04:38]
asciilifeform	yes! even in the midst of civil war - one can still beat off.	[04:38]
undata	asciilifeform: hell, you can go have a picnic and watch depending on the era	[04:38]
asciilifeform	'the privilege of king and slave alike'	[04:38]
BingoBoingo	http://copradar.com/tencodes/	[04:38]
assbot	Police 10 Codes ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph83rP )	[04:39]
BingoBoingo	Windows being broken out, 5-0 is rolling out	[04:39]
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undata	decimation: the point I was after is that cops should be obedient slaves to whatever commands them	[04:39]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: whither the 5- codes?	[04:39]
undata	in cases like this they're just after their own masturbatory power	[04:39]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: 5-0 is code for the po-po	[04:39]
decimation	10-codes are another amusing case of sillyness	[04:39]
undata	just like you and your tour	[04:39]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: from what period/place ?	[04:40]
decimation	it turns out that every juristidiction uses thier own codes	[04:40]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Everyone around here calls police the 5-0	[04:40]
*	asciilifeform did not know this	[04:40]
undata	decimation: I'm certain you'll get to see the cop tanks and other fun toys oppressing whites before long	[04:41]
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asciilifeform	undata: already old news. boston, etc	[04:41]
undata	I'm sure you'll just decide they're "white niggers" and enjoy it	[04:41]
undata	and so on	[04:41]
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decimation	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncRGoqNUb1w	[04:41]
assbot	Chief tells the TRUTH that Black People dont want to hear. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1znlh6w )	[04:41]
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decimation	asciilifeform: http://www.bearcat1.com/radiomd.htm here is a nice list of every county in maryland	[04:42]
assbot	RADIO CODES & SIGNALS - MARYLAND ... ( http://bit.ly/1znltmr )	[04:42]
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asciilifeform	decimation: i've found that documents like this are absurdly out of date, in all cases.	[04:43]
asciilifeform	decimation: typically they are the product of someone typing up an ancient, yellowed 'radio amateurs guide'	[04:43]
decimation	asciilifeform: that one is pretty accurate at least as of a few years ago	[04:43]
asciilifeform	some things never move	[04:43]
asciilifeform	e.g., national time stations	[04:44]
decimation	at any rate, it is amusing in its non-uniformity - 10-60 in anne arundel is 'squad in area' while in pg it is 'bad check written'	[04:44]
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decimation	at any rate, it's easy enought to waste some time listening yourself	[04:44]
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decimation	it's pointless to want to listen to the encrypted channels anyway, because my experience was that before the cops had crypto they would just use a cell phone	[04:44]
BingoBoingo	Looting the Boost Mobile of all places?	[04:45]
decimation	actually WWV recently started broadcasting on 25 MHz again: http://www.arrl.org/news/wwv-s-25-mhz-signal-back-on-the-air	[04:45]
assbot	WWV’s 25 MHz Signal Back on the Air ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph93fJ )	[04:45]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/hashtag/FergusonLootCrew?src=hash	[04:47]
assbot	Tweets about #FergusonLootCrew hashtag on Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph9feQ )	[04:47]
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BingoBoingo	!up Vexual	[04:49]
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BingoBoingo	Oh, squad 238 is retreating	[04:49]
asciilifeform	i've always wondered if police radio schemes like p25 are vulnerable to replay attacks.	[04:49]
BingoBoingo	Nevermind, staying put for now	[04:50]
asciilifeform	never gave enough of a shit to comb through the published specs to answer this riddle	[04:50]
asciilifeform	a 'wasp' could sow some very thick confusion via replay, even if he cannot decode.	[04:51]
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decimation	asciilifeform: someone already did it for you! http://www.crypto.com/papers/p25sec.pdf	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform they are afaik	[04:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00043753 = 4.2878 BTC [+]	[04:52]
asciilifeform	note that portable radios have no countermeasure against the elementary traffic analysis needed to find message boundaries	[04:52]
asciilifeform	so anything you replay is a valid 'police order'	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	yup.	[04:52]
decimation	asciilifeform: yes, I believe the 'metadata' is contained in the unencrypted header	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	moreover, decrypting p25 is no feat	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	should come to bitcents per message.	[04:52]
asciilifeform	decimation: that was the 'thy use null keys' result	[04:52]
asciilifeform	if correctly configured - 256bit aes	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	right.	[04:53]
asciilifeform	but here's a little mindfuck (afaik, discussed nowhere)	[04:53]
asciilifeform	betcha there are speech-modulated analogue artifacts in the transmissions.	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	isn't that the 14 round braindead aes ?	[04:53]
asciilifeform	!s microphonics	[04:53]
assbot	47 results for 'microphonics' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=microphonics	[04:53]
decimation	"All models of P25 radios of which we are aware will	[04:53]
decimation	receive any traffic sent in the clear even when they are	[04:53]
decimation	in encrypted mode."	[04:54]
asciilifeform	then - doesn't matter what kind of cipher	[04:54]
asciilifeform	if microphonics.	[04:54]
cazalla	https://twitter.com/hashtag/FergusonLootCrew?src=hash <<< this is to troll alex jones, again	[04:54]
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assbot	Tweets about #FergusonLootCrew hashtag on Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1pha878 )	[04:54]
Vexual	i think the change they keys up too	[04:54]
asciilifeform	you read it here phirst (afaik) (tm)	[04:54]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[04:54]
asciilifeform	gotta understand, if above hypothesis is correct, they can use one time pad - and still be transparently readable.	[04:55]
decimation	asciilifeform: that would be pretty elementry	[04:55]
asciilifeform	would be interesting to take one of these radios and look for correlation between, say, amplitude - or carrier freq drift - and input audio	[04:56]
asciilifeform	good student project.	[04:56]
decimation	mircea_popescu apparently has pill for aes	[04:57]
BingoBoingo	Sending Tac in	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	decimation afaik the pill has been around 4ever ?	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	or w/e, 2006.	[04:57]
decimation	link?	[04:57]
BingoBoingo	Shots fired across from ferguson pd	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/cryptanalysis/aesbc.pdf	[04:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1phaRVX )	[04:58]
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decimation	heh okay 2^126.4 work for 128-bit aes	[04:59]
decimation	I'm not too worried	[04:59]
asciilifeform	generally papers where you clobber something that has one (or both) hands tied behind its back - are not very exciting.	[05:00]
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mircea_popescu	2*39 time to recover the complete 256-bit key of a 9-round version http://eprint.iacr.org/2009/374	[05:01]
assbot	Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2009/374 ... ( http://bit.ly/1phbezO )	[05:01]
asciilifeform	but it gives the overall flavour of approaches used by the folks with 'acres of crays', yes.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	and for that matter, these are maximal.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	and they rely on good entropy	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	and on the attacker not using side channels	[05:01]
asciilifeform	the actual 'pill' consists of knowing the class of weak keys.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	and so on and so forth	[05:01]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform we are the folk with acres of crays. like no others.	[05:01]
asciilifeform	which - i suspect - can be proven to exist in the general case.	[05:02]
Vexual	where will you find a police radio?	[05:02]
BingoBoingo	Vexual: ebay	[05:02]
joecool_	try craigslist	[05:02]
decimation	Vexual: you can buy on ebay actually	[05:02]
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BingoBoingo	Oh two separate calls for tactical team backup nao	[05:03]
Vexual	really? I was gonna put on my best sherrif voice and call gme	[05:03]
decimation	in the us, the usg takes that kind of thing very seriously	[05:03]
BingoBoingo	Allegedly...	[05:04]
BingoBoingo	White Pontiac no plates	[05:04]
decimation	http://www.part15.us/forum/part15-forums/general-discussion/inspection-van	[05:05]
assbot	Inspection Van \| Part15.us ... ( http://bit.ly/1phbOxG )	[05:05]
joecool	lol	[05:05]
joecool	rip police car	[05:05]
BingoBoingo	Shots fired at the police department	[05:06]
decimation	that's not going to end well	[05:06]
BingoBoingo	Boston 11 Boston 92	[05:06]
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decimation	asciilifeform: I found your ip flood amusing - all upnp hilarity	[05:07]
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Vexual	I guess if P25 is breakable theres a reason it hasn't popped up at defon or some such	[05:09]
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decimation	what is 'defon'?	[05:09]
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mircea_popescu	!up Pierre_Rochard	[05:10]
-assbot-	You voiced Pierre_Rochard for 30 minutes.	[05:10]
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Vexual	defcon	[05:10]
BingoBoingo	Prolly going to be some sweet videos on WOrld Star Hiphop tomorrow	[05:10]
decimation	Vexual: the above pdf I linked was a usenix, which was kind of a more civilized defcon	[05:10]
Vexual	oh	[05:10]
decimation	but the point is the weakness isn't the crypto, it's probably all the other stuff mircea_popescu + that paper mentioned	[05:11]
decimation	ie the fact that non-technical cops are going to have to actually use them	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	and they have to fit in portable instruments	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	and on and on	[05:11]
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mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[05:13]
gribble	Current Blocks: 331500 \| Current Difficulty: 4.03000303278914E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 332639 \| Next Difficulty In: 1139 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 39445747976.3 \| Estimated Percent Change: -2.11981	[05:13]
Vexual	and they get shitty when it doesn't work and go back to analogue uhf	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	;;nethash	[05:13]
gribble	292532262.238	[05:13]
decimation	related http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-request-blackberry-bothered-lot-people-ex-nsa-official-article-1.1801957	[05:14]
assbot	Obama’s request for BlackBerry ‘bothered a lot of people’: ex-NSA official - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/1phd1EY )	[05:14]
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BingoBoingo	Helicopter is down to 15 minutes of fuel	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	3TH/s means, for the record, at something like 150 "times" per hash, that the bitcoin network does ~2**50 time as-is.	[05:16]
BingoBoingo	http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/in-clayton-a-few-eggs-thrown-but-no-other-reaction/article_decda97c-a4ab-5420-8057-e5833c880ce1.html	[05:16]
assbot	IN CLAYTON: A few eggs thrown, but no other reaction from the small crowd outside the county Justice Center : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1phdxmt )	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	a bitcoin's worth what, ~2**60 time each.	[05:17]
decimation	at least, a transaction is	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	decimation just trying to put in perspective the "time" in academic crypto paper.	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	breakage of a cypher that resists to 2**39 time costs roughly speaking a satoshi.	[05:18]
decimation	right, which is why no one uses 1024 rsa anymore (at least anyone who matters)	[05:19]
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mircea_popescu	decimation if you think the shocking stupidity of people like "silk road operators" occurs in a vacuum, let me remind you of the special agent that solved the case by excel spreadsheet.	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	and of the bank that did, too.	[05:19]
decimation	good crypto is really hard to implement	[05:20]
decimation	and the dunning-kruger effect is strong	[05:21]
ben_vulpes	the donkey kong is strong with this one	[05:21]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	all this of course presupposes anyone gives a shit as to what fbi agents say to each other.,	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	this is the tallest order in the whole discussion.	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather watch flies fuck./	[05:23]
decimation	mircea_popescu: or what obama says?	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	he can put it on his blog or w/e he has there,	[05:26]
asciilifeform	the folks who care about intercept of grunt radios - are concerned with tactic, not strategy.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	i'll get to it eventually.	[05:26]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: i thought flies spawned and didn't actually fuck	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	Oh, police may have lost a radio	[05:26]
decimation	one could re-interpret the entire military-industrial-intel complex as a giant ego-trip	[05:26]
asciilifeform	that is, the immediate question of whether 'they' are on the way to your sector.	[05:26]
asciilifeform	and with what.	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	60324 walkie	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i guess.	[05:27]
asciilifeform	it's quite like naval codes.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller well they must do something at some point...	[05:27]
decimation	https://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/10/01/white-house-security/	[05:27]
assbot	Philip Greenspun's Weblog » White House Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1phfdMQ )	[05:27]
asciilifeform	who the fuck cares whether uss fucktarditz is on its way to the north atlantic	[05:27]
asciilifeform	except for those paid to care.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if you're down to finding out about this trhough its own radio chatter...	[05:28]
decimation	asciilifeform: you can see the self-licking ice cream cone here	[05:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: nah. through radio chatter the week before in port.	[05:28]
asciilifeform	just example.	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[05:29]
asciilifeform	notice many armchair generals in the world. even armchair admirals.	[05:29]
asciilifeform	but no armchair sergeants.	[05:29]
asciilifeform	because how.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	i confess i don't believe in this jit style of military operations.	[05:29]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu believes in reconnaissance-by-fire ?	[05:30]
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decimation	mircea_popescu: I agree with you. one of the downfalls of the us is the large standing army of volunteers	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform pretty much.	[05:31]
decimation	a military of conscripts has the benefit of 1.) cannon fodder and 2.) actual people that can be sorted into leadership	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	maybe i'm too used to running campaigns where the "enemy" can't even muster the courage to use its materiel.	[05:31]
asciilifeform	thing is, enemy who has bureaucracy coming out of his ears - is an open book.	[05:32]
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asciilifeform	!up Vexual	[05:33]
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decimation	asciilifeform: good point, in order to coordinate bureaucratically one nearly always must have enemy agents 'in the loop'	[05:33]
Vexual	thats some art of war stuff there ascii	[05:33]
asciilifeform	point was much simpler. re: why radio in port.	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform let me articulate my objection better, out of respect for the attention it's getting.	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	man is given voice to hide his thoughts. your enemy is not to be trusted. why would you trust x thing he's SAYING ? sure, maybe it's true, maybe it doesn't realise you're listening. after you use it, he will. if he's too stupid to, you won't need it anyway. if you need it, you probably should not be fighting anyway.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	makes sense ?	[05:35]
asciilifeform	this assumes opponent with functioning brain	[05:36]
asciilifeform	retarded child can actually say 'now i will shit' - and then do it	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	if his brain is not functioning you need not pay attention to him.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	i don't watch water in the eyes while pouring it.	[05:36]
asciilifeform	he can still take the shit	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	i do watch large cat in the eyes while petting it	[05:36]
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mircea_popescu	but, anyway, let anyone fighting a war fight it the way he deems most convenient, who am i to intercede.	[05:37]
decimation	http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/secret-service-requires-female-agents-meet-lower-physical-strength-standards-male-agents_808441.html "According to the Secret Service, a male recruit in his twenties needs to perform 11 chin-ups to receive an "excellent" rating; performing four chin-ups or fewer would disqualify him from serving as a Secret Service agent. But for a female recruit in her twenties, four chin-ups would earn her an "	[05:37]
decimation	excellent" rating; just one chin-up is enough for her to avoid the disqualifying "very poor" rating."	[05:37]
assbot	Secret Service Requires Female Agents to Meet Lower Physical Strength Standards Than Male Agents \| The Weekly Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1phgNOK )	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	decimation this makes sense. do the experiment yourself, make juciy ass 21yo chicks do chinups.	[05:38]
decimation	I believe usg military doesn't even require one chinup from females - just 'bent arm hang'	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	then look how the shoulders and arms look of a (always titless) woman that can do 11	[05:38]
Vexual	I don't suppose they mean to say the girls aren't allowed to be as strong as the men	[05:38]
BingoBoingo	Injured Journalist nao	[05:39]
decimation	reality must intercede somewhere into usg's neat pronoucements	[05:39]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/1buxFop	[05:39]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1phh8Rx )	[05:39]
nubbins`	8 layers down, 2 to go	[05:39]
asciilifeform	fact is, they have a bottomless supply of proper grunts	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i thought you were stripping. scam.	[05:39]
asciilifeform	and can afford (or think they can) the charity cases.	[05:39]
nubbins`	i am	[05:39]
nubbins`	it's an ABC party	[05:40]
Vexual	thats that pussy pink inkl you never bought	[05:40]
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decimation	asciilifeform: that might be true today, but at the current trajectory (when the females are all in management) will it be true in 20 years?	[05:40]
asciilifeform	decimation: they are already in management	[05:40]
asciilifeform	decimation: familiar with the infamous u.s. navy captains ?	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	!up Flyer33	[05:41]
decimation	eh?	[05:41]
-assbot-	You voiced Flyer33 for 30 minutes.	[05:41]
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mircea_popescu	!up Flyer9933	[05:41]
-assbot-	You voiced Flyer9933 for 30 minutes.	[05:41]
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nubbins`	too many flyers	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:41]
Vexual	nice gold	[05:41]
asciilifeform	http://www.militarycorruption.com/hollygraf2.htm	[05:41]
decimation	!up GNULinuxGuy	[05:41]
assbot	CAPT. HOLLY GRAF ... ( http://bit.ly/1phhtDR )	[05:41]
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asciilifeform	etc.	[05:41]
asciilifeform	there are at least 3 famous one	[05:41]
asciilifeform	s	[05:41]
decimation	nubbins`: very pretty cover	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	[The two Democratic fundraisers that Obama attended brought in roughly $3.5 million (source). So it would have been far cheaper for taxpayers if Obama had stayed in Washington and the U.S. Treasury had written a $3.5 million check to the Democratic Party.]	[05:42]
nubbins`	tyvm	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	https://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2010/08/07/obama-saved-by-the-fighter-jet-that-he-canceled/	[05:42]
nubbins`	much work so far	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	and this was in 2010.	[05:42]
assbot	Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama saved by the fighter jet that he canceled ... ( http://bit.ly/1phhyYb )	[05:42]
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mircea_popescu	excellent example of why corruption is not the worst problem in a state.	[05:42]
decimation	mircea_popescu: except legally those actions were 'not corrupt'	[05:43]
BingoBoingo	Second police car down "marked county police car fully engulfed in flames"	[05:43]
asciilifeform	http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3190412/posts	[05:43]
assbot	First female warship captain stripped of command over affair allegations	[05:43]
thestringpuller	;;ud hnic	[05:43]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HNIC \| HNIC. acronym for Head Nigga In Charge. Contrary to public opinion, slams fist on table ... "There is only one boss here, and that's me, the HNIC!" -Joe Clark.	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	decimation but if they were corruption, it'd be cheaper.	[05:43]
BingoBoingo	Looter also maybe smarted up, at a bank nao?	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i don't get this. what exactly about being a rabid slut makes a woman unfit to command ?	[05:44]
decimation	yeah. In china, there's more of a "the boss can profit if the project works" mentality I am told	[05:44]
BingoBoingo	Also they used the retreat word on the radio	[05:45]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not the slut part, the nepotism and resulting umbrella over incompetent fucktoy subordinates	[05:45]
Vexual	nubs: on the satin black its remenicent of leatherbound	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	ah that.	[05:45]
asciilifeform	but perhaps that is like saying that it is not the bullet that is a problem, but the bullet hole.	[05:45]
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mircea_popescu	honestly, the only appeal i see to a life in the military is having a bunch of sex slave commanding officers.	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	kinda like that guy in prison that had the guards tattooed and whatnot	[05:45]
decimation	mircea_popescu: that's 'fraternization'	[05:46]
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decimation	it would be 'corrupt' you see	[05:46]
asciilifeform	when this becomes 'a thing' and the overall purpose of organization is subverted, long and hard enough - it dies.	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	well, it'd be fun anyway.	[05:46]
asciilifeform	fun on the correct end of the barrel, yes.	[05:46]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo share some local news links	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2008/03/17/how-to-spend-400-million-on-a-helicopter/ lol	[05:47]
assbot	Philip Greenspun's Weblog » How to spend $400 million on a helicopter ... ( http://bit.ly/1phiuM2 )	[05:47]
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BingoBoingo	nubbins`: http://www.ustream.tv/Channel/St-Louis-County-Police-Scanner	[05:47]
assbot	St. Louis County Police Scanner on USTREAM: This is an audio stream of the St. Louis County Police scanners.	[05:47]
BingoBoingo	Police said "skirmish line"	[05:47]
decimation	conquest's third law: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. "	[05:48]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/CamiWisch/status/537088409538686976	[05:48]
assbot	It's looking like Gotham in STL tonight. /hashtag/prayforSTL?src=hash http://t.co/alZecZclSH	[05:48]
BingoBoingo	https://client.scribblelive.com/Event/Michael_Brown_grand_jury_decision_coverage	[05:48]
assbot	ScribbleLive Professional	[05:48]
Vexual	swamp=gotham?	[05:48]
decimation	mircea_popescu: yeah the rediculous helicopters are amusing	[05:48]
BingoBoingo	http://www.stltoday.com/ >> linked the scribble live login	[05:49]
assbot	St. Louis Sports, News, Jobs, Classifieds, Entertainment & Weather ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPsHQ4 )	[05:49]
BingoBoingo	Instead of the story	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	conquest's third law: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. " <<< quite.	[05:49]
BingoBoingo	http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/ferguson/2014/11/24/crowds-gather-outside-ferguson-pd-hq-ahead-of-announcement/70064786/	[05:50]
assbot	Ferguson reaction: Violent protests, shots fire outside PD HQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPsXi2 )	[05:50]
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BingoBoingo	"Quiet Sunflower, Quiet Sunflower"	[05:51]
BingoBoingo	^ Has to be a code word	[05:51]
decimation	start the napalm?	[05:51]
Vexual	get some donuts?	[05:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00043427 = 9.9014 BTC [+]	[05:52]
asciilifeform	qualified snipers.	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	this absolutely us fascination with "codewords"	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	it melts the brain	[05:52]
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undata	they're going to milk the shit out of that burning car picture	[05:53]
BingoBoingo	Grocery store beiseiged by masked protesters with 10 employees inside. Walgreens looted	[05:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00043427 = 14.6783 BTC [+] {2}	[05:54]
nubbins`	"protesters"	[05:54]
Vexual	and or	[05:54]
nubbins`	drunk man with bottle of absolut heading to scene	[05:54]
decimation	mircea_popescu: actually there is some 'pushback' against it, because of its tardation: http://www.telegram.com/article/20091029/NEWS/910290685/0	[05:54]
assbot	In plain English - Worcester Telegram & Gazette - telegram.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPtS1V )	[05:55]
undata	seems it doesn't matter precisely what "demonstrators" do, so long as they "demonstrate" disorder	[05:55]
BingoBoingo	Heart attack at the fire station	[05:55]
undata	I don't know that stealing shit is any less legitimate than burning cop cars	[05:55]
undata	nor that legitimacy is the question	[05:55]
nubbins`	^	[05:55]
BingoBoingo	Force is the legitimacy	[05:55]
nubbins`	still following the guy w/ the vodka	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	drunk man with bottle of absolut heading to scene << lawl.	[05:55]
decimation	Pour la canaille: Faut la mitraille.	[05:55]
nubbins`	mp srsly there's a cop on the radio giving updates on him	[05:56]
nubbins`	HE IS WEARING A BLUE COAT	[05:56]
undata	nubbins`: that's his bidness coat	[05:56]
Vexual	i got this	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	wait i thought you were being parodical.	[05:57]
BingoBoingo	Someone has been shot	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/ << research that mothers are boring and ineffectual childcarers. and other stuff.	[05:57]
assbot	Philip Greenspun's Weblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPukgt )	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	. “Researchers have revealed a robust association between father absence—both physical and psychological—and accelerated reproductive development and sexual risk-taking in daughters,”	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	ahem.	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	single mothers raise sluts? who knew!	[05:58]
undata	fascinating that it has some biology behind it though	[05:58]
Vexual	ug	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the quoted explaination is nonsense.	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	the mechanism is quite simple : if the males are absent the population is under threat and it must be supported biologically.	[05:59]
asciilifeform	wai wat, that was an explanation ?!	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nah, im not quoting the blather.	[05:59]
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BingoBoingo	Walgreens is now on fire, guessing they already took all of the cool drugs	[05:59]
Vexual	beats freud	[05:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: mechanism is observable in rats and other rodents (where, iirc, sex ratios skew towards males in lean times)	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	yup. even in insects.	[06:00]
decimation	"During rough-and-tumble play like this, fathers tend to use playful teasing to “destabilize children both emotionally and cognitively,” which children like—despite the seemingly ominous implications of the word “destabilizing.”"	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	it's one of those fundamental apis of reality that'd be implemented in all species-language	[06:00]
asciilifeform	!s r-strategy	[06:00]
assbot	1 results for 'r-strategy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=r-strategy	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	decimation this is true, and you can diagnose it in adults by their reaction to minor destabilisation.	[06:01]
undata	also obvious, I would think	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	one of those few things people can't lie about.	[06:01]
nubbins`	mcd's on fire	[06:01]
Vexual	now burger king	[06:02]
asciilifeform	funny how nothing but the designated 'kindling' is ever burned up in u.s. riots.	[06:02]
nubbins`	leave wendy's until they get rid of the pretzel burge	[06:02]
BingoBoingo	Fire Department/Human Shields en route to Walgreens	[06:02]
decimation	mircea_popescu: yeah, generally people tend to appreciate people who upset their worldview	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if the rats set fire to the lab, what'd you expect they'd burn ? the cages or the files ?	[06:02]
asciilifeform	lol right	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	decimation noi lol, generally they don't.	[06:03]
decimation	asciilifeform: this is a set-peice opera, with each side playing their part	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	rarely they do, but that's ok, because rarely people are worth bothering with	[06:03]
asciilifeform	decimation: abundantly obvious	[06:03]
decimation	mircea_popescu: generally only in retrospect	[06:03]
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mircea_popescu	so is this us engaging in honor-burning of mcdonalds ?	[06:03]
BingoBoingo	It might be.	[06:03]
BingoBoingo	Police seem more concerned with the Walgreens though	[06:04]
decimation	it's traditional that the businesses that cater to the ghetto are the first ones visited with destruction	[06:04]
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decimation	!up Vexual	[06:04]
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Vexual	hehe	[06:04]
undata	attacking the symbols of merica	[06:04]
undata	I guess walmart's next?	[06:04]
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decimation	!up Fergudishu	[06:04]
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mircea_popescu	i thought obama was the only symbol america needed.	[06:05]
nubbins`	HOPE	[06:05]
Fergudishu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkzleC6gTRw	[06:05]
assbot	LIVE: Ferguson coverage after grand jury decision to not indict Ferguson Ofc. Darren Wilson - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPvXLi )	[06:05]
BingoBoingo	NOPE	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	DOPE!	[06:05]
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nubbins`	Fergudishu holy fuck there's a trollbox?!?!	[06:06]
Vexual	I'm not sure you can describe humans much at all with rats	[06:06]
Fergudishu	nubbins`: yes	[06:06]
decimation	asciilifeform: of course, you are familiar with that set of people who are 'professional anarchists'	[06:06]
nubbins`	white male w/ flag bandana wanted for torching cop car	[06:07]
Fergudishu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGvXN56t6Wo	[06:07]
assbot	LIVE: Reaction on the streets of Ferguson to Grand Jury Decision - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPwhtq )	[06:07]
*	asciilifeform is also familiar with the set of people who are paid to hunt all day, every day, for new 'outrages' of the kind required to set up 'a ferguson'	[06:07]
BingoBoingo	WHITE MALE set a police car on fire	[06:07]
Fergudishu	false flag	[06:07]
undata	mircea_popescu: "now now now I know this is a complex and divisive issue..."	[06:07]
nubbins`	it was a false flag indeed	[06:07]
undata	that fucking guy can't even squeeze out a statement that has a drop of meaning in it	[06:08]
nubbins`	apparently the flag isn't supposed to be used as a bandana	[06:08]
decimation	asciilifeform: a 'self-licking ice cream cone' indeed	[06:08]
decimation	lol that trollbox is gonna explode	[06:08]
nubbins`	it's crazier than the one on jd	[06:09]
Fergudishu	nubbins`: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bassemmasri that has 85k people watching and a trollbox lmao	[06:09]
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asciilifeform	!s yi yi zhi yi	[06:12]
assbot	10 results for 'yi yi zhi yi' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=yi+yi+zhi+yi	[06:12]
undata	there's serious cognitive dissonance here	[06:13]
undata	this government kills people around the world with flying robots	[06:13]
BingoBoingo	undata: Maybe some of us want both sides to lose?	[06:13]
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undata	BingoBoingo: no not in #ba	[06:13]
Vexual	yeah, and ive never given negative fuck b4	[06:13]
asciilifeform	anyone who thinks this is a 'popular grievance' thing - how many u.s. folks were fucked over in real estate, other chumpatrons? how many of the perpetrators burned?	[06:13]
asciilifeform	right - zero.	[06:13]
asciilifeform	the mob riots at lizard hitler's pleasure, for his purposes.	[06:14]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/537093807519838209	[06:14]
undata	the cognitive dissonance is the thought that a government that has made its business killing innocents would protect some guy gunned down in its own streets	[06:14]
assbot	BREAKING NOW: NYPD Commissioner Bratton was just splattered with fake blood at /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash protest via /jeffrae http://t.co/2JTLRoEMlg	[06:14]
decimation	undata: what weight do you lend to the fact that the guy was a thug who just finished robbing a store?	[06:15]
undata	decimation: as someone said above, the rules of engagement in afghanistan were stricter	[06:16]
asciilifeform	local police will be partially disarmed and yet more bureaucratized, yes. and ultimately - subordinated and absorbed into a national gendarmerie.	[06:16]
asciilifeform	as is the plan.	[06:16]
asciilifeform	have to be blind, not to see this.	[06:16]
cazalla	undata, why the sympathy for a nignog that got what he deserved?	[06:16]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah that's probably true	[06:16]
asciilifeform	'fergusons' - have a purpose.	[06:16]
undata	cazalla: I don't care about the individual	[06:17]
cazalla	i mean really, the shop owner who he stole from should've done what the cop did	[06:17]
undata	the trend is as asciilifeform describes	[06:17]
decimation	only the 'national guard of the people' can be entrusted with the revolution	[06:17]
asciilifeform	in the end, gendarmerie 'democratizer' baton will roger black and white alike	[06:17]
decimation	undata: perhaps those loose 'rules of engagement' were a tacit acknowledgement of reality?	[06:17]
undata	decimation: that's not a call a beat cop gets to make	[06:17]
asciilifeform	!s democratizer	[06:18]
assbot	130 results for 'democratizer' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=democratizer	[06:18]
Vexual	let the rioters decide	[06:18]
decimation	what should he do, phone washington for instructions?	[06:18]
asciilifeform	^ utterly broken search in #b-a	[06:18]
asciilifeform	what part of 'i do not want to see anything without this word' is hard to understand ?	[06:18]
asciilifeform	FUCK 'user-friendliness'	[06:18]
asciilifeform	the search box - is a disgrace.	[06:18]
undata	asciilifeform: searchifility	[06:18]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah you need a --no-stem option	[06:19]
asciilifeform	no.	[06:19]
asciilifeform	non-retardation is not optional.	[06:19]
asciilifeform	this is 'systemd' all over again.	[06:19]
undata	decimation: the guy shouldn't have shot a guy for yelling at him	[06:19]
decimation	well, he could have been yelling, or he could have been charging with a suspicious object	[06:19]
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decimation	I guess the grand jury heard enough evidence either way	[06:20]
undata	yeah 20 mouthbreathing average fucks decided	[06:20]
undata	case closed	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	yeah, and ive never given negative fuck b4 << im kinda with him on this one.,	[06:20]
*	decimation wasn't there, didn't see, can only witness the results	[06:20]
undata	there's video of this; I watched it. The guy didn't "charge"	[06:21]
undata	there's plenty you can't see, but he's just standing there yelling, then on the street dead	[06:21]
Vexual	mircea_popescu: If this was planes landing fast in gotham, I could understand the excitement	[06:21]
undata	haven't heard a single person say "maybe the cop just lacked trigger discipline and was otherwise a coward"	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	the trend is as asciilifeform describes << how could it not be ? who the fuck ever heard of soviets in soviet russia.	[06:21]
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mircea_popescu	a, right, decimation said it first.	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	and better.	[06:22]
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asciilifeform	the notion that a riot in modern usa can happen - and persist - 'naturally' - is horseshit of the first order.	[06:23]
asciilifeform	if it is happening, it is on lizard hitler's nod.	[06:23]
asciilifeform	if not direct order.	[06:24]
asciilifeform	in what riot was 'goldman sachs' burned ?	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	the us wants to be like the uk! and pretend it can riot!	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	why you piss on parade.	[06:24]
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decimation	asciilifeform: as they say in dc, never waste a good crisis	[06:24]
undata	asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: I don't know, we'll see	[06:25]
decimation	asciilifeform: if anything, this violence is quite unimpressive compared to the 60's	[06:25]
undata	we've rioted before	[06:25]
Vexual	punkman could getin there and riot the pants off very fool in it	[06:25]
asciilifeform	60s << there are swaths of dc, even, that are still 'berlin 1945'	[06:25]
decimation	but aging hippies are still around, still have friends	[06:25]
asciilifeform	not to mention ny, detroit, etc	[06:25]
asciilifeform	note which swaths.	[06:25]
asciilifeform	not the lizard quarters.	[06:25]
undata	don't get me wrong; most of it is limp dicked twitter protest	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	whadda ya mean 'berlin 1945' ?	[06:26]
asciilifeform	as mircea_popescu pointed out - lab rats - will burn own cages.	[06:26]
asciilifeform	if only because nothing else is accessible.	[06:26]
asciilifeform	1945 << ruins.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	ah	[06:26]
decimation	nor can they imagine anything else exists	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	mentally accessible, yes.	[06:26]
undata	asciilifeform: and hell, there were bombings back then	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	ant bites your hand, not your scrotum	[06:26]
undata	it's not so that the US never had actual protest	[06:26]
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asciilifeform	there was a time before 'well-trained masses' when actual 'pinkertons' has to man actual gatling guns to keep the mob in its proper street	[06:27]
undata	I think things are going to get ugly here; it's just going to take an economic shock along with	[06:27]
Vexual	greeks throw some rocks, yell loug and go home to spill some souvlaki on their bear, let the givt think about it	[06:27]
undata	you combine militarized police with a currency crisis, something of that nature, then maybe	[06:27]
decimation	asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre	[06:29]
undata	or better stated, right now the protesters still have somewhere to go home to	[06:29]
assbot	Ludlow Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPAoWu )	[06:29]
asciilifeform	aha	[06:29]
asciilifeform	and others.	[06:29]
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undata	I'd like to see what happens when they do not	[06:29]
undata	5 years, 10?	[06:29]
cazalla	undata, you want to avoid this?	[06:29]
undata	cazalla: "I'd like to see"	[06:30]
undata	hell no	[06:30]
asciilifeform	undata: the folks 'who do not' - today - are they in a mob? what have they burned?	[06:30]
asciilifeform	or do they simply 'go gently into that good night' somehow	[06:30]
asciilifeform	as invariably happens.	[06:30]
asciilifeform	sometimes - with help, sometimes - without	[06:30]
asciilifeform	herr orlov: 'you will know that collapse has happened only when it happens to you.'	[06:31]
decimation	related http://www.washington.edu/news/2014/11/24/study-us-attracting-fewer-educated-highly-skilled-migrants/	[06:31]
assbot	Study: US attracting fewer educated, highly skilled migrants \| UW Today ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPARYL )	[06:31]
decimation	"While 27 percent of migrating professionals among the sample group chose the U.S. as a destination in 2000, in 2012 just 13 percent did. The decline was seen across professionals with bachelor’s, master’s and doctoral degrees."	[06:31]
decimation	the relative winners: africa, latin america, ocean, asia	[06:32]
Vexual	what do you like about living in the us asciilifeform?	[06:32]
asciilifeform	plenty of would-be pilots for the wooden cargo-cult airplane.	[06:32]
undata	asciilifeform: I'd think it depends on how many	[06:32]
undata	but it's not a simple thing to predict	[06:32]
asciilifeform	Vexual: i've never lived anywhere else as an adult	[06:32]
asciilifeform	Vexual: so cannot properly answer	[06:32]
Vexual	you left ussr?	[06:32]
asciilifeform	as a boy.	[06:32]
asciilifeform	technically, it left first.	[06:33]
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Vexual	oh	[06:33]
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asciilifeform	!up Vexual	[06:34]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.theonion.com/articles/heavy-police-presence-in-ferguson-to-ensure-reside,37528/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Pic:1:Default	[06:34]
assbot	Heavy Police Presence In Ferguson To Ensure Residents Adequately Provoked \| The Onion - America's Finest News Source	[06:34]
undata	BingoBoingo: haaah	[06:35]
undata	the news cycles on these things are heading towards the minutes-scale	[06:35]
undata	what were we talking about?	[06:35]
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undata	my selfish concern is that the goddamn american roof falls in before I've vacated the building.	[06:36]
undata	it probably will	[06:36]
asciilifeform	i'm fairly certain this will happen in my case.	[06:36]
asciilifeform	what can i say, not everybody gets to 'take the train out of berlin a day before everyone else'	[06:37]
asciilifeform	!s gravity well	[06:37]
assbot	19 results for 'gravity well' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=gravity+well	[06:37]
decimation	unfortunately, there's not an 'american frontier' to emigrate to these days	[06:37]
asciilifeform	south pole?	[06:37]
undata	melt antarctica?	[06:37]
undata	ha	[06:37]
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asciilifeform	i hear the last u.s. icebreaker has broken down.	[06:38]
decimation	millions of times easier to do it there than in space	[06:38]
asciilifeform	so, it may actually be a non-usg zone until it is repaired.	[06:38]
Vexual	where is it?	[06:38]
decimation	or... in a submarine	[06:38]
asciilifeform	and yes, much easier than in space.	[06:38]
asciilifeform	or in submarine, at least while usg undersea stationary sonar arrays function.	[06:38]
asciilifeform	*or than in submarine	[06:38]
Vexual	this reminds me of the first time i saw douglas mawson smiling back at me fron the $100 note	[06:38]
decimation	asciilifeform: usg radio chatter, ready for you to listen: http://usa-satcom.com/operation-deep-freeze-2014/	[06:39]
assbot	Operation Deep Freeze 2014 \| USA-Satcom ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPCllO )	[06:39]
asciilifeform	why me.	[06:40]
decimation	you mentioned the 'radio in port' earlier, plus the south pole	[06:40]
asciilifeform	i also mentioned 'folks paid to give a damn'	[06:40]
decimation	hehe	[06:40]
asciilifeform	like, if mircea_popescu figures correctly, orlov	[06:40]
asciilifeform	if his check from moscow didn't bounce - he can listen.	[06:41]
decimation	eh, I bet orlov is more in the send rather than receive racket	[06:41]
undata	if I had a few mil, I'd try to build a greenhouse on a barge	[06:41]
undata	and I'd just leave	[06:41]
undata	head for the south pacific or something	[06:41]
asciilifeform	undata: generally folks with a liquid, detachable (!) 1mil usd - have considerably more that is left behind, like the early stages of a rocket	[06:42]
decimation	at any rate, for folks with the skills, one can track most aircraft at will	[06:42]
asciilifeform	try moving your only 1mil overseas, intact	[06:42]
asciilifeform	see also mircea_popescu's article 'on your way out of the gravity well, this awaits you'	[06:42]
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undata	asciilifeform: next years business income will be put to work purchasing BTC	[06:43]
undata	asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/psa-if-youre-trying-to-escape-the-gravity-well-youll-meet-this-on-your-way/ << this is the one?	[06:44]
assbot	PSA : If you're trying to escape the gravity well, you'll meet this on your way. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPDgCH )	[06:44]
asciilifeform	^ yes that one	[06:44]
decimation	I bet problems like that one can be solved... by pay money to the right agents	[06:45]
asciilifeform	can be solved in 100 ways	[06:45]
asciilifeform	but they all involve some kind of burn.	[06:45]
decimation	yeah	[06:45]
asciilifeform	hence - rocket metaphor.	[06:45]
decimation	if you want to 'build slowly' usg will be interested in your form 8938	[06:45]
asciilifeform	to usg, you are a resource. a head of cattle. who lets a cow go ?	[06:46]
asciilifeform	only when its teat is empty of milk, and then the hide is emptied of skin, can there be any question of 'letting it go.' and even then, someone might like to tan your hide.	[06:46]
asciilifeform	*hide emptied of meat	[06:47]
*	asciilifeform ought to goto bed	[06:47]
Vexual	this is why theres some nutters floating around the indian ocean ex capetown	[06:47]
kakobrekla	!b 4	[06:47]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/10H9BBD.txt )	[06:47]
decimation	asciilifeform: I wish usg took more of interest in raising quality rather than maximal extraction	[06:47]
asciilifeform	lol, quality	[06:48]
asciilifeform	dem0cr4cy!!	[06:48]
undata	nah, just get more plastic shit on the shelves	[06:48]
asciilifeform	rivers'o'meat.	[06:48]
kakobrekla	fuckin vexual spamming my bashes	[06:48]
decimation	yeah, that's the trend for the past 200 years	[06:48]
Vexual	what did i do now?	[06:48]
asciilifeform	does 'bash' even still work.	[06:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.09596896 = 9.5969 BTC [-] {5}	[06:48]
kakobrekla	what do you mean?	[06:49]
asciilifeform	aha i recall, kakobrekla has to manually pick the goodies every now and again from it	[06:49]
Vexual	jorov too i expect	[06:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.09510001 = 1.2363 BTC [-]	[06:49]
kakobrekla	myea gotta get to it soon.	[06:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2608 @ 0.00122514 = 3.1952 BTC [+] {4}	[06:50]
undata	goodnight all; I'm going to make like a good russian in '90 and drink	[06:51]
Vexual	kudos	[06:52]
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mircea_popescu	if I had a few mil, I'd try to build a greenhouse on a barge << barge powered by ethanol, lemme guess ?	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	try moving your only 1mil overseas, intact << if it makes you feel any better, when i left romania (the first time) i gave away large chunks of what otherwise'd been "wealth".	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	just like if al saud decides to leave saudi arabia he's not likely going to SELL it.	[07:07]
decimation	mircea_popescu: as to our conversation a few days ago about what King Louis XVI could have done about the socialist uprising, perhaps one answer is that actual people everywhere have an interest in damping the enthusiasm of this kind of mob	[07:09]
mircea_popescu	sure, so you have an interest. what now ?	[07:10]
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decimation	I suppose these kinds of counterfactuals always factor down to 'should have killed private Schicklgruber'	[07:11]
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mircea_popescu	looky here, dying empires don't dampen the mob. that's a job for the earlier times.	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	back when men still believed in the future of the entire construction, the effort and inclination to take children and wives over the knee can readily be summoned.	[07:13]
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mircea_popescu	once it's fate is sealed, who can be bothered ? would you punish your children for misbehaving in a nuclear shelter ?	[07:13]
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decimation	yeah that's a good point. especially if some homeless laut is peddling a false hope in the corner over there	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	let em have fun, what.	[07:15]
decimation	and so what comes is a generation of spoiled brats, willing to listen to whoever is promising bread & circuses	[07:15]
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mircea_popescu	http://jim.com/killer.htm	[07:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1xW72Zq )	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	"Let Gingrich and Gore hail the arrival of the information superhighway that "the people" can use to talk back to our "leaders." Their illusive dream of "participatory democracy" will be short-lived.	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	Because this highway doesn't lead to Washington."	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	no roads lead to washington, actually.	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	"The information revolution will transform the politics of power just as surely as the broadcast media did 70 years ago. Only this time, power will devolve back toward its sources, not inward toward demagogues seeking to gather it. The Net will subvert the centralized economic and social control mechanisms that allowed the great welfare-warfare states[33] of the 20th century to dominate our commerce, our psychic landsc	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	ape and even our definition of who we are."	[07:24]
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mircea_popescu	Wait for the day when citizens, incessantly polled by leaders trying to jump out in front of each passing parade, don't even bother answering the questions. "Do you feel that your group is going to get its fair share of the booty your elected representatives plan to pilfer from that group?" Get lost.	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	I am an American, but my children will be free citizens of the Net. They may reside in this country[22] or that, but their economic and social intercourse will effortlessly span the globe.	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	this guy should get some sort of journalism reward.	[07:26]
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decimation	yeah Jim has a point, it seems to me the Internet has a tendency to empower the periphery at the expense of the center	[07:34]
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decimation	when communication between the outposts becomes cheap, a giant bureaucracy to 'coordinate' things suddenly seems redundant	[07:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00042577 = 8.0896 BTC [+]	[07:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00042577 = 4.6409 BTC [+]	[07:42]
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undata	mircea_popescu: I have no philosophical objection to burning gas	[07:47]
undata	whatever the cheapest power plant is at the time will do	[07:47]
undata	I'd plan on still making software for money in such a scenario	[07:48]
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undata	I think I could stomach enough human contact to tank up.	[07:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71350 @ 0.00041602 = 29.683 BTC [-] {3}	[07:52]
ben_vulpes	and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter. << this exists in point of fact?	[07:56]
ben_vulpes	i miss all the good logs.	[07:58]
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ben_vulpes	can i use a credit card << no but he does accept payment in tits, albeit roundaboutly	[08:00]
ben_vulpes	;;later tell bagels7 can i use a credit card << no but he does accept payment in tits, albeit roundaboutly	[08:01]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:01]
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ben_vulpes	ah hilarious	[08:10]
ben_vulpes	the RT iPhone app is a million times better than the WSJ's	[08:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00042577 = 7.9619 BTC [+]	[08:12]
ben_vulpes	ditto for al jazeera	[08:14]
decimation	I tried to use the deutsche welle app once, it crashed my phone	[08:15]
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ben_vulpes	!up Vexual	[08:30]
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Vexual	I was just saying, when you're emailing your local member of parliment, realise that it might not be he that reads it, and know what you're selling	[08:32]
ben_vulpes	bagels7: the beatings were way worse than any bdsm "master" i had <<< lol same << lol wait, bagels7 is into bdsm ? << the funny thing here is that cazalla is XD	[08:33]
cazalla	am not	[08:34]
Vexual	senate comittee starts tommorrow	[08:35]
ben_vulpes	lady doth etc etc	[08:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33398 @ 0.00042883 = 14.3221 BTC [+] {2}	[08:35]
Vexual	free rabbits	[08:38]
ben_vulpes	i'll pay for some rabbit stew	[08:39]
Vexual	^ ditto	[08:40]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4smim2MNvF8	[08:41]
Vexual	i'd roast it up with some oranges	[08:45]
Vexual	sweet meat	[08:46]
Vexual	ive been vego for a while	[08:47]
Vexual	i'd eat a galah	[08:47]
cazalla	Vexual, ya mate zhenya fucked up	[08:48]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/11/digital-btc-lose-bitcoin-com-au-by-mistake/	[08:48]
assbot	Digital BTC Lose Bitcoin.com.au By Mistake \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1uzOQNX )	[08:48]
Vexual	who now?	[08:48]
cazalla	i've dealt with the auDA fuck heads before, tried to take mah domains off me	[08:48]
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Vexual	hes not a mate or an associate	[08:49]
cazalla	i emerged victorious!	[08:49]
cazalla	Vexual, yeah yeah :P it was a joke	[08:49]
Vexual	i read the anual report tho	[08:50]
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Vexual	it's not his main business	[08:51]
Vexual	although the model is quite nice	[08:52]
Vexual	his bitcoin consulting fees were higher than his directors renumeration	[08:55]
Vexual	they made some good moves	[08:55]
Vexual	but theres still this interface between the bitcoin pace and the asx or whatever	[08:57]
Vexual	Yo can watch tmz and dcc, and that melbourne thing that never floated	[08:58]
cazalla	bitcoin group? that guy who is trying to float got social engineered lol and lost like 100 btc and he wants to run a company when he is so stupid to click emails	[08:58]
Vexual	really?	[08:59]
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Vexual	i thought they were supposed to float a few weeks back?	[08:59]
Vexual	what form you do put in when you fail like that?	[09:00]
cazalla	nah, postponed he says	[09:00]
cazalla	medibank floated today	[09:00]
cazalla	another telstra scam by the looks of it, price is already under IPO on day one	[09:00]
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cazalla	!up Vexual	[09:02]
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Vexual	anyway zt doesn't mean zou tung anymore, this guy could buy his debt like me buying a cornetto	[09:02]
cazalla	i wonder if zt will just buy back the domain from new owner	[09:03]
Vexual	he might just ask nicely	[09:04]
cazalla	nah, new owner will prob want a pay day	[09:05]
Vexual	he might just get it	[09:08]
Vexual	i don't think zt needs it tho	[09:08]
Vexual	leaving 36k on the table might be a thing	[09:10]
cazalla	well, he bought it for digital BTC, so technically the company owns it, or did, not him	[09:10]
cazalla	so now he has to go to shareholders and tell them, at least i assume so	[09:10]
Vexual	yeah, ive read the annual	[09:11]
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Vexual	it's obviously an oversight	[09:12]
cazalla	on his part yes but common way to get domains in .au	[09:13]
cazalla	auDA won't force new owner to return simply because of a mistake	[09:13]
Vexual	dog businnes	[09:13]
Vexual	but if you're not using it... eh	[09:14]
cazalla	few times people have taken it outside of auDA and to court though, ZT could do that or simply buy it back which i bet is likely to happen	[09:14]
Vexual	well h ecould verily claim he is bitcoin.com.au	[09:14]
cazalla	Vexual, perhaps new owner just uses it for email, there is no criteria stating he has to have a webpage	[09:14]
Vexual	im sure it will all sort out in the wash	[09:15]
cazalla	can claim, must prove	[09:15]
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Vexual	anyway, that cunt can just hop n his aero and take a few more bitmain to iceland	[09:17]
Vexual	wot dhl?	[09:17]
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Vexual	id guess he cares more about mining his own tx's than a domain name	[09:21]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xS4BdvdRZk	[09:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00041926 = 4.9473 BTC [-]	[09:27]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpmxrdN7Lg4	[09:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58650 @ 0.00041926 = 24.5896 BTC [-]	[09:55]
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cazalla	!up Vexual	[10:05]
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Vexual	i tell you wot, id consult for zt	[10:11]
Vexual	if he wasnt so scary	[10:12]
Vexual	if hes worth a mil pa id be 200k	[10:14]
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Vexual	but with a loss like that, id recommend less	[10:15]
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Vexual	here we go, it;s 20yearmoney to tell u sabout growth	[10:17]
Vexual	Jou Ma Se poes in a fish paste jar.	[10:21]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBYd1MuFMgk	[10:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00042106 = 30.0637 BTC [+] {2}	[10:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36142 @ 0.00042523 = 15.3687 BTC [+]	[10:24]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHD5nd3QLTg	[10:27]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkhX5W7JoWI	[10:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00041955 = 7.2582 BTC [-]	[11:18]
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mircea_popescu	yeah Jim has a point << it was actually one Bill Frezza. jad just reprinted it.	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: I have no philosophical objection to burning gas <<< sure, but if you're on a barge you can't conceivably drill for oil. so ethanol's left.	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	(moreover my point was that growing shit is taking care of the small problem, most of your energetic needs aren't "what to eat")	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter. << this exists in point of fact? <<< not quite, no.	[11:29]
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mircea_popescu	!up orkaa	[11:32]
-assbot-	You voiced orkaa for 30 minutes.	[11:32]
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cazalla	bitcoin price after last years black friday sale?	[11:36]
cazalla	drop i mean	[11:36]
cazalla	ah never mind, went to moon soon after	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	by now "price" as reported by "exchanges" is pretty much a random value.	[11:38]
mircea_popescu	all the scams with "margin" and 90% fake trade volume get to report a "price".	[11:39]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu, yes but i would prefer that random value be on the lower side either tmw or after black friday	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	lol	[11:40]
cazalla	not usually something i worry about but i am sure there will be a long line of people handing over coins for useless shit on black friday	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	i have my doubts.	[11:42]
cazalla	namecheap 99c .com sounds ok though	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	i guess	[11:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00042533 = 1.914 BTC [+] {2}	[11:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00122931 = 1.2293 BTC [+] {2}	[12:43]
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cazalla	looks like bitcoin conferences are moving onto blockchain conferences now lol http://latitude.global/ sponsored by ethereum	[12:46]
assbot	Latitude 19.3N \| INTERNATIONAL BLOCK CHAIN \| January 2O,21,22 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1pih7N9 )	[12:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1156 @ 0.00122001 = 1.4103 BTC [-]	[14:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56000 @ 0.00042006 = 23.5234 BTC [-]	[14:07]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 55 @ 0.09001891 = 4.951 BTC [-] {2}	[14:35]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[21:44]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[21:44]
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asciilifeform	adlai: because that is the language in which fundamental research in computing continued, while in the west - died in 1950s.	[21:45]
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adlai	madness, blasphemy. all research must be conducted and documented in english!	[21:46]
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mircea_popescu	o.O	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	outside of biochemistry and perhaps some aeronautics, i struggle to think of a field where research is done in english	[21:50]
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cazalla	fluffypony: Jurassic World trailer is out <<< i could not be more disappointed	[21:52]
fluffypony	cazalla: it just looks like a rehash of the first movie but with better CGI	[21:52]
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mircea_popescu	We present an efficient method to deanonymize Bitcoin users, which allows to link user pseudonyms to the IP addresses where the transactions are generated. Our techniques work for the most common and the most challenging scenario when users are behind NATs or firewalls of their ISPs. They allow to link transactions of a user behind a NAT and to distinguish connections and transactions of different users behind the same	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	NAT. We also show that a natural countermeasure of using Tor or other anonymity services can be cut-off by abusing anti-DoS countermeasures of the bitcoin network. Our attacks require only a few machines and have been experimentally verified. We propose several countermeasures to mitigate these new attacks.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	anyone bother actually read the pdf accompanying these tall claims ?	[21:53]
cazalla	fluffypony, the new male lead is no ian malcolm either	[21:54]
adlai	( http://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.7418.pdf )	[21:54]
fluffypony	yerp	[21:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1vjZ4XQ )	[21:54]
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cazalla	BingoBoingo, hopefully it gets more traction in aus IT press, they love stuff stories like this	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	"a method for revealing IP addresses of Bitcoin wallet owners with success rate between 11\% and 60\%." ugh. my interest died.	[21:56]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: My take on it is if you connect to enough nodes, you can probably tell which one prodcasted a transaction first, sometimes.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[21:58]
BingoBoingo	Amazing the rather abvious shit people pass off as "research"	[21:59]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	let me guess, 11 to 60% of times, where 40% is arbitrarily defined as equal to "those cases where users use private connect lists"	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	derpity derp.	[21:59]
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mircea_popescu	in the same line, here's this extraspecial pair of glasses which removes clothes off women	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	success rate ? about 11 to 60% of cases where woman splays herself naked on display.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	le win.	[22:01]
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