Forum logs for 25 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu idk 6 hours of week for church and spankings if you talked or moved too much for not being able to sit still for 2 hours << that part's great. stfu and sit put. [00:00]
bagels7 undata: I'm a victim, I don't have a victim mentality. there is a difference. I did not have the slighest victi mentality from age 4 to age 22 concerning my mom leaving me [00:00]
jurov mircea_popescu: how it can be divided from politics? "yeah they're utterly brainwashed zealots, but otherwise i like their political views"??? [00:00]
mircea_popescu jurov my position is, "their enemies which i don't particularly care for claim they be evil, but otherwise also got beat to shit". this i can go for. [00:01]
undata bagels7: touchy subject I'm sure; it'd take nuance to get my point about it across [00:01]
mircea_popescu jurov are you reading arabic reports anyway ? [00:01]
undata every human shoves along every other human as he/she can; religion's not a special case of that [00:02]
jurov not reading [00:02]
mircea_popescu because if you're reading the guardian&co, what you see there is coming out of the same sifon that yields the "putin is insane" spritz. [00:02]
jurov he isn't insane.i'm merely concerned his doings might get me killed [00:03]
bagels7 i worked harder than anyone in my class and people would just say im smart so its easy for me and not a bid deal. I was learning japanese because I wanted to go to japan. but my cousin decided to go 5 years later on a whim because well she had suport for every step in her life where as me her mom and my dad held me back. Im just not planning on curing ebola or anything anytime soon. [00:03]
bagels7 Can't I just make an honest living [00:03]
chetty we need правда [00:03]
mircea_popescu jurov so if that's your concern oyu gotta move. [00:04]
bagels7 jehovah witnesses are child abusers and well I'm going to do something about it! [00:05]
bagels7 maybe have a sunday protest [00:05]
undata that's sure to raise awareness [00:05]
asciilifeform bagels7: Can't I just make an honest living << at what? [00:06]
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mircea_popescu bagels7 the best advice for you is to a) create a list of 100 classical texts written before 1800 ; b) spend two weeks reading NOTHING online but that. not anything. not a single page of popurls or whatever. none. [00:06]
mircea_popescu then you'll be in a better position to appreciate the inanity currently rotting your brain away. [00:06]
jurov i will probably move if it keeps progressing... what was the argument? [00:07]
undata mircea_popescu: such a reading list would be a welcome post [00:07]
mircea_popescu jurov you didn't like my position on isis and i was trying to articulate it. [00:07]
mircea_popescu (your dislike i mean) [00:07]
asciilifeform jurov: wait wat!? isis has come to your town ? [00:07]
jurov noo, mircea is pulling putin into the discussion [00:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i said "because if you're reading the guardian&co, what you see there is coming out of the same sifon that yields the "putin is insane" spritz." [00:08]
jurov i think what i think because i'm watching RT, too. [00:08]
undata jurov: where are you? [00:09]
mircea_popescu right, which is how you know he's just realpolitiking all over nuland's face, ass and tits. [00:09]
jurov if isis becomes concern, then i may consider their propaganda, too [00:09]
jurov undata: slovakia [00:09]
mircea_popescu so far their ideology pretty much reduces to "anything us is evil" as best i can tell. [00:10]
mircea_popescu this is not necessarily a bankrupt approach, arguably even better fitted than "everything us is good" [00:10]
mircea_popescu which is in and of itself the saddest indictment one can ever hear about any state. [00:11]
jurov i also heard there's an approach somewhere "mircea_popescu is evil" [00:11]
mircea_popescu imagine, random chance a better bet. that's the fucking antithesis of statality. [00:11]
mircea_popescu im sure there is. [00:11]
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bagels7 yeah my boyfriend saw trilema and was like "that guy is a terrorist" just from the look [00:14]
undata oh dear [00:14]
mircea_popescu o.O [00:14]
bagels7 does the US "governemnt" kill more inocent people than isis [00:14]
mircea_popescu depends on your definition of innocent. [00:14]
undata jurov: do you think he's after more than just involving ukraine in a permanent border dispute to foul potential nato membership? [00:14]
bagels7 innocent as in collateral damage [00:15]
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mircea_popescu undata the seaports is the problem. [00:15]
jurov undata: there's parallels to sudetenland annexion and numerous other historical precedents.. it's very unlikely putin just stops there. [00:15]
mircea_popescu look at it from moscow's pov. 1) the us builds a large base at constanta, once europe's largest port by tdw, and mere miles from the russian bases at sevastopol [00:16]
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mircea_popescu 2) ukraine "joins nato". so what, all of russia to be served by vladivostok ? [00:16]
mircea_popescu jurov so he gets what, romania ? [00:16]
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jurov transnistria, maybe [00:17]
mircea_popescu or else, a landbridge to serbia via bulgaria ? [00:17]
mircea_popescu nobody fucking wants transnistria gtfo. [00:17]
mircea_popescu it's like wanting somaliland. [00:17]
BingoBoingo Eh, Putin just needs to cozy up to Cuba [00:17]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's interdictable. [00:18]
mircea_popescu what any large power needs are land connections to ports all around. [00:18]
jurov ok, so you say he just makes land bridge to crimea and then everything stops. [00:18]
mircea_popescu i don't see why he'd care about anything but sevastopol, myself. [00:18]
asciilifeform roach extermination will not stop (unless usg somehow rids itself of mr p) [00:18]
BingoBoingo Sure, but if Obola can have Costana, Putin can have a naval base just outside of Guantanamo [00:18]
mircea_popescu i doubt he wants it. [00:19]
mircea_popescu the russkis understand bases are expensive. [00:19]
mircea_popescu in a way teh pentagon doesn't quite yet. [00:19]
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asciilifeform usg/nato to ru: 'stop running your nose into my fist!' [00:21]
mircea_popescu how do you figure that one !? [00:21]
asciilifeform 1) create fictional countries carved out of opponent's meat 2) prattle on about 'democracy' and 'legitimacy' 3) ??? 4) profit [00:22]
jurov since when this area is ussr's meat? [00:22]
asciilifeform jurov: since europe tried to 'grab its gun' in '41 and failed. [00:23]
mircea_popescu seems tenuous. [00:23]
mircea_popescu if anything, ukraine is part of poland. [00:23]
mircea_popescu well, whatever, southern parts romania, but lettuce not quibble :D [00:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the part with illiterate idiots (west) - yes [00:24]
mircea_popescu right. [00:24]
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mircea_popescu anyway, european borders. never an established matter. [00:25]
mircea_popescu the salic law of succession specifically had a 5) and thou shalt not have fixed borders in there. [00:25]
asciilifeform [00:25]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2014 02:28:38; asciilifeform: 'the Western blok... preferred to view the Eastern European nations as victims of Soviet aggression, ignoring the simple and manly fact (that would have been instantly understood by a Roman) that Soviet legions, without anyone's help, took possession of Eastern Europe via force of arms, answering aggression with aggression. And the Roman would an absurdity - he could not comprehend, in [00:25]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2014 02:28:38; asciilifeform: moral justice the legions ought to forsake the lands for which they had paid with their blood. Not only is the transference of conceptions of morality to the evaluation of historical events a phony method, but, if we recall, the moralists - the defeated European nations and the Americans, enemies of the USSR - that is to say, non-impartial moralists - their condemnations sound hollow i [00:25]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2014 02:28:38; asciilifeform: of course, unphased by this. We know now that their strategy of psychological war turned out to be a correct one... To establish the injustice, the 'meanness' of the enemy in a moralistic war is every bit as important as winning a pitched battle in a hot war.' [00:25]
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undata seems like that plays a part ^ [00:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that "without anyone';s help is nonsense". for one thing, there were 3 romanian armies there [00:26]
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mircea_popescu !up saifedean [00:26]
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jurov asciilifeform yes that's russian myth you did it yourselves. [00:26]
jurov in fact, staling could push to vienna in 1944 [00:27]
jurov using areas liberated by slovak nationa uprising [00:27]
asciilifeform mail corrections to herr limonov. the basic point stands - ru owned these folks every bit as 'legitimately' as rome owned anything. and then it walked out because its brain was under the control of alien pederasts. whose tendrils are being ejected, slowly but surely. [00:27]
jurov but they preferred to shoot themselves in the foot [00:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform was aurelian under control of alien pederasts ? [00:27]
jurov it was actually under control of the pederasts *between 1918-198x* [00:28]
asciilifeform jurov: i'm aware of the nuances, yes. incl. herr tito's story. [00:28]
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asciilifeform jurov: 1918 pederasts 'took their land from the wooden plow to atomic bomb.' [00:29]
mircea_popescu which way does this proof cut ? [00:29]
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jurov so? pakistan has atomic bomb too [00:29]
mircea_popescu lol. [00:29]
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jurov meanwhile, murdered vast swathes of own people [00:29]
mircea_popescu geopolitics, gotta love em. nobody can keep straight wtf's going on for five lines. [00:30]
asciilifeform jurov: pakistan has it with '90s tech. perhaps an eric frein-style weirdo can have one with 2020s tech. [00:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well... but but the wooden plow people had it with 50s tech ? [00:30]
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asciilifeform lol, nobody kills 'own people.' you kill 'evil wreckers', dontcha know! [00:31]
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mircea_popescu or blacks. [00:31]
asciilifeform boyscout << tiresome story, endlessly repeated. no chain reaction, nor was it possible. [00:31]
jurov there were millions of 'evil wreckers' in ussr? [00:31]
jurov do tell [00:31]
mircea_popescu jurov i think you miss the points where he's being facetious [00:32]
mircea_popescu for teh lulz. [00:32]
mircea_popescu anyway, the q i want answered asciilifeform is re aurelian! [00:32]
jurov well... and i'm still genuinely interested what he thinks about ussr's eugenic program (gulags) [00:33]
mircea_popescu no wai the gulags can be reduced as "eugenic programs" [00:33]
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jurov ooh, it was more than that? [00:34]
jurov do tell again [00:34]
mircea_popescu let's work a model jurov. suppose you're me, and suppose you're stuck doing what i think best (stalin -> lenin relationship) [00:34]
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mircea_popescu suppose you end up in charge of the us. now, there happens to exist public record of me saying something about social sciences, professors and fallopian tubes. [00:35]
mircea_popescu what do you do ? [00:35]
mircea_popescu seems putting them all in a large nude colony in montana may work. [00:35]
mircea_popescu does it ? [00:35]
mircea_popescu would it then be an "eugenics program" ? [00:35]
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jurov if these colony members won't procreate, then basicaly yes [00:36]
asciilifeform ru eugenics << wat, with lysenko's theories of heritability? lol! [00:36]
mircea_popescu ya srsly. [00:36]
mircea_popescu jurov well that's then a narrow view you're more than welcome to [00:37]
mircea_popescu but should perhaps preface the general statement with a clue. "as far as everything's eugenics, then gulags are eugenics" [00:37]
asciilifeform what about aurelian ? [00:37]
jurov it's my own nickname for them meant to rile up stan [00:37]
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mircea_popescu jurov not sure you realise the problem with your thinking here, but anyway : is homosexuality an eugenic experiment ? [00:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform he also retreated. [00:38]
mircea_popescu since the romans were being used as the measurement unit. [00:38]
asciilifeform aha [00:38]
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asciilifeform strategic retreat, iirc, no ? [00:38]
jurov what? how? [00:38]
mircea_popescu !up jborkl [00:39]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform but was he being mindcontrolled by aliens. [00:39]
ben_vulpes "requires you to get health coverage by the end of the open enrollment period on February 15. If you don’t, this year you’ll have to pay a penalty of $325 per adult or 2 percent of your household income -- whichever is higher." << death of self insurance in the usg [00:40]
mircea_popescu orly, 325 or 2% whichever is higher ?! [00:40]
jurov ahhh, isee. no homosexuals were not prevented from procreation by "science of people" [00:40]
ben_vulpes "give us (healthcare mafia) your money, or else - give us (ordinary communist mafia) your money" [00:40]
mircea_popescu jurov no the criteria you enounciated. [00:40]
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jborkl all the naked people would freeze in Montana, heh [00:41]
mircea_popescu jborkl cool! [00:41]
jurov okay my other criterion was that eugenics victims are barred from procreation by "science" [00:41]
mircea_popescu not feminists, they got thick scales over all that fat. [00:41]
jurov and since soviet govt boasted about being "governed by science" here we are [00:42]
asciilifeform what 20th c. mega-empire didn't boast of 'science'? it's nearly obligatory, like the christianity of european kings [00:42]
mircea_popescu ^ [00:43]
ben_vulpes nevermind that 325/mo doesn't buy *shit* insurance here. [00:43]
mircea_popescu exactly the right simile there. [00:43]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so laughable, most of the world lives on less than that. [00:43]
mircea_popescu in the us tho, you can't even buy insurance [00:43]
mircea_popescu us must be fucking dangerous ? [00:43]
jborkl well, health insurance for 2 adults and 2 kids is more than my house payment [00:44]
jurov i did not mean to pull words. in short, ussr killed so many own people so that ended up with shrinking population [00:44]
jurov and i don't see how atomic bomb or other achievements can fix that [00:44]
asciilifeform jurov: maximizing meat now? [00:45]
jurov ? [00:45]
undata asciilifeform: at what point would you consider that waste? [00:45]
asciilifeform jurov: what, exactly, do we need exponentially growing meat mass for ? [00:45]
cazalla bagels7: I'm still rovering from the jehovah witness's and religious brainwashing <<< holy shit, i'm not the only one to suffer this in #b-a [00:46]
mircea_popescu apparently we attract you cultish lot! [00:47]
jurov where did i say exponentially growing? i said shrinking [00:47]
undata asciilifeform: seems like you have a little confirmation bias in there [00:48]
asciilifeform jurov: aha, shrinking. but you implied that this is a problem. [00:48]
undata "They were killing people and also sputnik therefore killing people." [00:48]
jurov if they somehow avoid being overran by chinese then i'll say it isn't a problem [00:48]
jurov not before [00:48]
jurov in say 20 years [00:48]
cazalla bagels7: the beatings were way worse than any bdsm "master" i had <<< lol same, jugcord here, never knew when it might strike or for what reason [00:48]
bagels7 well there was that one time he broke a spatula that came on par [00:49]
bagels7 but i totally provoked him [00:49]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: american doctors are dangerously expensive [00:49]
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cazalla bagels7, spatula? you got it easy then [00:50]
undata ben_vulpes: when do they start taxing you if you don't have insurance? [00:50]
undata feb 15? [00:50]
bagels7 meh my dad would hurt his hand and he has tough man hands from physcal work all is life [00:50]
jurov asciilifeform: and you imply mass trimming ot meat is somwhow necessary. thus, eugenics. [00:50]
ben_vulpes undata: yee [00:51]
bagels7 cazalla: least it wasnt a bat [00:51]
ben_vulpes undata: group buy? [00:51]
undata ben_vulpes: is it cheaper to just pay the tax? [00:51]
undata might be for me, maybe not for you [00:51]
bagels7 there are 1000s of jehovah witness stories like our, endless pages of forums [00:51]
cazalla bagels7, so you're no longer in the truth eh, i must tell you that #b-a is rather worldly [00:51]
undata I'm going to be spending a lot of the business income on moar business for a good while [00:52]
asciilifeform jurov: meat tends to trim self if left to own devices. spitting on gulag while cheering, say, czar's famines, is like the folks who 'love small business and despise megacorps' here in usa. poorly thought out logic. [00:52]
bagels7 cazalla: I decided to stop going when i was 15 but then my aunt played her protestant brainwashing guilt trip shit on me [00:52]
jurov i'm cheering czar's famines? TIL [00:53]
bagels7 my aunt who i was living with who decided i could trust her like a mother, i felt more betrayed by her than my bio mother [00:53]
jurov long live the romanovs!!!1 [00:53]
asciilifeform this always bugged me. somehow folks think that starving to death under czar was like dying of co poisoning in a mercedes to the tune of classical music, but starving in ussr is starving in a dumpster with broken glass. [00:54]
jurov i was facetions this time [00:54]
jurov *facetious [00:55]
undata couldn't we like... you know... not starve... man? [00:55]
jurov imo both these famines were incredibly wasteful, as there's plenty of arable land [00:55]
undata at least this seems like a weird focus [00:55]
undata sound money, rule of law, and I think we'd get to a place where most people can at least find food [00:56]
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undata let alone send robots to comets or whatever you're into [00:56]
jurov basically, as if aliens came and prevented peasants to cultivate it, because atomic bomb was more important [00:56]
asciilifeform detectably plenty of starvation in ancient world, even with 'sound money' and good management [00:57]
bagels7 they didnt have tchonology like today? [00:57]
jurov afaik it was *not* plant starvation in ussr [00:57]
undata asciilifeform: what about when you let that run for a while [00:58]
asciilifeform mass upheavals plus labour-intensive agriculture -> famine, generally [00:59]
undata sure maybe starvation at first, but why the belief that it will always be there? [00:59]
jurov all i can say, my parents and grandparents watched all this from some hundred miles away and considered it unbelievable [00:59]
asciilifeform undata: in the general, 'malthusian' case - where could it possibly go? [00:59]
jurov and it was *after* mechanized agriculture was available [01:00]
undata asciilifeform: there are innumerable things I could do in the present moment that I don't because they don't seem sensible [01:00]
undata one of those being fucking until the pile of human flesh I've produced is visible from space [01:00]
asciilifeform jurov: available to whom? at what cost? tractors dropped from sky on demand? [01:00]
jurov if they could make tanks, why not tractors? [01:01]
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undata jurov: my folks grow enough to have everything they need, and the food they produce is delicious [01:01]
asciilifeform jurov: tank is a particular type of tractor, let's say. it cultivates sovereignty (or did, in the age of the tank, but why nitpick) rather than edibles. [01:01]
jurov and there was no such famine in eastern eutope outside russia inn 20th century [01:01]
jurov *europe [01:01]
asciilifeform without sovereignty, 'your' tractor - isn't yours. it belongs (along with your starfish) to the big boys. [01:02]
jurov but i see you insist... no help here [01:02]
jurov germans made tanks too, and did not even had so much arable soil.. no famines there, too [01:04]
undata asciilifeform: that a sovereign can do whatever he pleases doesn't necessarily proceed to "therefore he stole all my things and left me in mud" [01:04]
undata this comes up a lot in here; why does that follow? [01:04]
undata that was my "masturbation implement" rant [01:04]
jurov asciilifeform just keeps coming with excuses why his drunkard compatriots can't fend for thmeselves so well [01:04]
asciilifeform jurov: feel free to travel back in time and teach lenin et. al. how to retain sovereignty for their country (that is, no colonization, no cultivation of dependence on hostile west) without, well, the cost. [01:05]
asciilifeform lol, that my drunken compatriots could not fend for themselves, is as obvious as gravity. [01:05]
BingoBoingo The Usian Gendarmie is probably going to have a lot of horses [01:06]
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jurov yes it is obvious. there was no famine in the 1990s only because govt came to senses and gave people their own soil [01:07]
jurov lenin could do that in 1918 [01:07]
jurov but no, we cant have kulaks [01:08]
asciilifeform jurov: amateur gardens, yes. the traditional 100 sq. metres. [01:08]
jurov yes, that's what i mean [01:08]
mircea_popescu jurov: maximizing meat now? << as far as i can tell, there's a certain subgroup of transhumanists for whom even the faintest hint of discussion as to whether rivers of meat is the correct minimaxing is "eugenics" which is to say their local equivalent of "fascist" ie, very bad mkay. [01:08]
asciilifeform jurov: try to see the difference between 'i like kolkhoz' and 'what they did, made sense'. [01:09]
undata mircea_popescu: not-maximizing isn't the same as actively grinding away at your population until as jurov points out the numbers start to really dwindle [01:09]
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mircea_popescu bagels7: the beatings were way worse than any bdsm "master" i had <<< lol same << lol wait, bagels7 is into bdsm ? [01:09]
undata surely you need *some* population or what's this sovereignty over? [01:09]
undata this to me sounds like a very wealthy man lighting his wealth on fire to display sovereignty [01:09]
asciilifeform jurov: and realize that the blowback from present-day usg idiocy will make lenin et. al. look reasonable and gentle. see earlier thread re: isis. [01:09]
undata sure, he's sovereign, and he's destroying himself [01:09]
jurov asciilifeform: here they did like kolkhozs to an amount bacuse it wasn't done so violently [01:09]
mircea_popescu this to me sounds like a very wealthy man lighting his wealth on fire to display sovereignty << afaik the only possible honest signal is exactly this. [01:10]
undata hm, interesting [01:10]
mircea_popescu by definition you know ? if you're not hurtin yourself then why wouldn't it be fake. [01:11]
asciilifeform jurov: incidentally, the most well-founded historical model of gulag etc. i know of is - that meat grinder was built, and became the proverbial 'self-licking icecream cone' after running short on the designated feedstock. a la french rev. [01:11]
ben_vulpes undata: if you're taking home more than 16.5K as an individual, it's not cheaper. [01:11]
undata ben_vulpes: dumb, k [01:11]
asciilifeform there is every reason to expect this behaviour from future meat grinders. [01:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what is us academia if not exactly this ? [01:12]
asciilifeform re: wealth on fire: [01:12]
mircea_popescu how is it not a gulag ? [01:12]
asciilifeform !s stotting [01:12]
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jurov asciilifeform: and you prefer it would not came crashing down or what? [01:12]
undata mircea_popescu: I see the point about a genuine display of power [01:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in the land of 'soft power' - soft gulag. (almost inevitably hands want to say 'soft cocks' also.) [01:13]
undata I suppose it depends on the situation as to how much of a display is needed [01:13]
jurov just because it was so idiotic it crashed without inflictiong so much damage as usg did/does [01:13]
mircea_popescu jurov do you believe that out of two possible situations, the one with more people in it is always best ? [01:13]
undata were gulags needed to organize peasants into industrial workers? [01:13]
mircea_popescu because if you don't then by your definitions eugenics, and if you do wtf you doing in slovakia instead of say b-a. [01:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform perhaps because it is the case. [01:13]
mircea_popescu but hey, viagra plugged that hole. [01:13]
jurov he one with less people in it is always best, either ? [01:14]
mircea_popescu nope. [01:14]
mircea_popescu just, headcount is irrelevant in a discussion of bestness. [01:14]
jurov i don't see slaughtering own people in such idiotic manner could be better outcome [01:14]
jurov if you do, how so? [01:14]
asciilifeform undata: basic mechanics here. peasants do not actually need the city-dwellers for anything (at least at the ru circa 1917 tech level.) why should they feed them, if asked nicely? and why would they wish to move to the city and waste away in factories, merely if asked nicely? [01:14]
mircea_popescu jurov well, his argument was that from plow to nuke. [01:14]
mircea_popescu if he makes it whole and says "without the gulags, from congo to CAR" [01:14]
mircea_popescu then you can see a line there. [01:15]
mircea_popescu why did i kill andreas derpopo for that matter ? [01:15]
mircea_popescu so others can learn from his corpse, right ? [01:15]
asciilifeform ultimately, being a builder of industry at the 1917 (or even today's) tech level, fundamentally sucks. as in, the same way being in prison sucks. so stalin et. al. tried experiment: what if being a peasant sucked -more- ? and - it worked. [01:15]
jurov US did do without gulags. until recently [01:16]
undata asciilifeform: I see that; in the US many tactics were used, among them property tactics, etc., to coerce people into the cities [01:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform at least, this;'d be the "most favourable possible ulterior retrospective construction" [01:16]
undata *property taxes [01:16]
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mircea_popescu undata just look at how the southerners were coerce to become yanks after the war. [01:16]
asciilifeform there is also the 'they're idiot orcs' construction. which isn't even false, because, well, orcs. [01:16]
mircea_popescu they still resent it lol. [01:16]
asciilifeform but 'orcs suck and should simply kill themselves instead of sullying the planet with their stench' is not a historical argument. [01:17]
undata mircea_popescu: the southern cock will rise again! [01:17]
undata :p [01:17]
mircea_popescu lol [01:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yet the us seems to be bringing it a whole lot these days lol [01:17]
bagels7 you actually kill people.... [01:18]
asciilifeform to a 'human', what can be more revolting than an 'orc.' now where was that prison film review by mircea_popescu ? [01:18]
jurov i'm confudes now...if its' a good thing, you should then admire the US for its gulag system [01:18]
jurov *confused [01:18]
asciilifeform the one with 'height of the tallest building' ? [01:18]
mircea_popescu bagels7 well, internet-killings. [01:19]
mircea_popescu uh [01:19]
bagels7 bare handed internet-killngs, k got it [01:19]
undata wut [01:19]
mircea_popescu ? [01:19]
assbot Un prophète pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:19]
asciilifeform jurov: u.s. gulag system, afaik, is merely an expensive waste of time, like their aircraft carriers. [01:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes! it. [01:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "but nobody would dare sink a carrier, because THEN ITD MEAN THEYRE SERIOUS ANBD FOR REAL!!!!" [01:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but i brought it up on account of 'orcs' rather than gulag. what orcs look like to human. [01:21]
mircea_popescu and nobody could conceivably wish to do anything *seriously* [01:21]
mircea_popescu this sort of ablated hipsterism is what passes for strategic thinking in the us. [01:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha. in the words of herr kokkarinen: 'modern hipster is not being rogered, because the cock is entering ironically(tm)' [01:21]
mircea_popescu the entire "putin doesn't understand how thwe world works" and "oh horror x! oh horror y!" is really the voice of a deconstructed postmodern intellect confronted with the sheer obscenity of reality. [01:22]
mircea_popescu the substance of the squal of the little girl confronted with the underside of a large boulder exposed to air [01:22]
mircea_popescu that's it. [01:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: also tied in to your 'then the centurion walks in, a different kind of man' story. [01:22]
mircea_popescu which one is that one ? [01:23]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'the west gate fell. all is lost.' that one [01:23]
mircea_popescu oh oh . [01:23]
mircea_popescu [01:23]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha! it. [01:24]
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mircea_popescu bagels7 so what do you do for a living anyway [01:33]
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mircea_popescu detectably plenty of starvation in ancient world, even with 'sound money' and good management << quite. famine is a great motivator, and to be honest i do not see why half the population should not at all points be hungry. [01:35]
mircea_popescu they don't like it, let them displace the other half. [01:35]
mircea_popescu they didnt have tchonology like today? <<< they didn't need it, because they weren't nearly as many. [01:35]
mircea_popescu and it was *after* mechanized agriculture was available << it was not at all available. do you know what the tachanka was ? Makhno's thing. [01:36]
mircea_popescu that's the clear and incontrovertible proof that mechanized agriculture wasn't available even beyond the pale. let alone inside russia proper. [01:37]
mircea_popescu and there was no such famine in eastern eutope outside russia inn 20th century << silesia famine in 1850 ? hongerwinter ? [01:39]
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jurov i said 20th century [01:39]
mircea_popescu dutch famine was in 1944 [01:40]
mircea_popescu whioch reminds me. asciilifeform you know the irish "fear gortha" ? [01:42]
mircea_popescu pretty much like the russian. [01:42]
jurov afaik ussr had to import grain *consistently* [01:42]
mircea_popescu uh... no ? [01:42]
jurov from the west, even. [01:42]
mircea_popescu nah, the famines were criminal particularly because stalin's soviets were net exporters. [01:43]
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jurov pediwikia mentions grain imports specifically [01:44]
assbot Foreign trade of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [01:44]
mircea_popescu jurov and if you also count greece as part of europe, they had a famine tambien. [01:44]
mircea_popescu jurov you mean in the 80s ? [01:45]
jurov it was supposedly during foreign occupation [01:45]
jurov the greek one [01:45]
jurov yes, ussr imports in the 1980s. there was modern agriculture and irrigation available then, i suppose? [01:46]
mircea_popescu by 1980 the globalisation of trade makes such approach useless. [01:46]
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mircea_popescu they imported grain because it was cheap [01:46]
mircea_popescu as a result of the canadian explosion. [01:46]
jurov even if that meant debt? [01:47]
mircea_popescu iirc their balance of trade was <10% of their gdp [01:47]
mircea_popescu so... sure. who cares. [01:47]
mats_cd03 << heh. [01:48]
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jurov my grandpa was technical manager in 1980s and explained the hoops they had to jump to buy any equipment from the west [01:49]
jurov it was cuz they bought grain instead? [01:49]
jurov well, clearly they had their priorities [01:49]
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mircea_popescu jurov czechoslovakia isn't soviet russia tho or what are we talking about here [01:50]
mircea_popescu generally, the leadership of "socii", ie "allies" ie vassals is worse than at the center. [01:51]
jurov it was same in russia. iirc stan said something about his grandpad making film projectors without german parts [01:51]
jurov *grandpa [01:51]
jurov they saved on high tech to buy grain, i can esily see it [01:52]
jurov and now he's like "so go tell lenin what he did wrong, now you have it easy in hindsight" [01:53]
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mircea_popescu didn't bagels7 just bitch that her dad didn'g buy her a computer ? im sure he must at some point have bought some grain too. [01:53]
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mircea_popescu anyway, lenin's nep got cut short pre-war. [01:53]
jurov she did not starve into death nor hes exorbitant debts [01:54]
jurov *has [01:54]
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mircea_popescu well inasmuch as something still exists for putin to run over, neither has russia "starved to death" ? [01:54]
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mircea_popescu you understand some people must die, right ? [01:55]
jurov i don't understand why so many [01:55]
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mircea_popescu ah. well that's always going to be an open debate. [01:55]
mircea_popescu generally, because socialist government is by definition inept, i guess. [01:56]
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undata on the one hand I agree; something has to be the filter [02:03]
undata poverty, gulags, w/e [02:03]
undata on the other, it seems the gulag option tends to be... I guess too damned efficient [02:03]
jurov the filter to that goal? [02:04]
mircea_popescu it's not efficient at all. [02:04]
jurov *what goal [02:04]
undata mircea_popescu: at its self-licking task of chewing up the population [02:04]
mircea_popescu ah. well... that';s not so great. [02:05]
undata mircea_popescu: seems like poverty's the best option [02:05]
mircea_popescu jurov in general, so that most of each generation succumbs to avoidable causes, and most of the survivors don't dare speak. [02:05]
mircea_popescu in particular, fucking depends. [02:06]
jurov we can try to learn, that's all [02:08]
mircea_popescu sure. [02:09]
undata I like the idea of paying people to agree to sterilization. [02:10]
cazalla undata, who pays? [02:10]
mircea_popescu i don't. stop trying to get idiots to "agree". [02:11]
jurov cazalla is interested after recent experience? [02:11]
mircea_popescu if they're some people whose agreement you seek, they shouldn't be sterilised. [02:11]
mircea_popescu if they should be sterilised, you have no conceivable reason to seek their approval. [02:11]
cazalla jurov, bit late for that [02:11]
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undata cazalla: if I'm in the position to consider the cost of using secret police or something to get it done, I might [02:12]
undata not that I am [02:12]
undata haha [02:12]
undata the agreement is just part of the cheese on the trap [02:12]
mircea_popescu yes, and the thing trapped is you. [02:13]
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jurov lol actually we had here an affair with forced sterilization of gypsy women [02:13]
undata jurov: they did it here (USA) in the 50s I think, maybe on into the 70s [02:13]
mircea_popescu i can't begin to imagine why. all the good slovak fucks i had were gypsy [02:13]
undata hah, looks like it was the 1920s onward [02:14]
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assbot The two aspects of my urban negro. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [02:25]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, what is that, a biscuit or something? [02:28]
mircea_popescu prolly [02:28]
BingoBoingo Needs a follow up, what is in the bag? [02:29]
mircea_popescu prolly some dolche de leche confection [02:30]
cazalla 976KB, largest block evar? [02:30]
mircea_popescu ;;google "my urban negro" [02:30]
gribble Urban Dictionary: negro: ; Urban Dictionary: Quantum Negro: ; Urban Dictionary: negro amigo: [02:30]
mircea_popescu hm [02:30]
mircea_popescu my search returns my own fucking page ;/ [02:30]
mircea_popescu anwyay, it's an alfajore. [02:30]
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mircea_popescu “Regulation - which is based on force and fear - undermines the moral base of business dealings. It becomes cheaper to bribe a building inspector than to meet his standards of construction. A fly-by-night securities operator can quickly meet all the S.E.C. requirements, gain the inference of respectability, and proceed to fleece the public. In an unregulated economy, the operator would have had to spend a number of y [02:35]
mircea_popescu ears in reputable dealings before he could earn a position of trust sufficient to induce a number of investors to place funds with him. Protection of the consumer by regulation is thus illusory.” [02:35]
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mircea_popescu guess teh author. [02:35]
mircea_popescu ah if only bitcoin were around in the 90s, back when greenspan was still in charge. [02:36]
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BingoBoingo << Hurpity [02:40]
assbot What if video games sponsored crappy college football bowls? | Polygon ... ( ) [02:40]
asciilifeform 'Compared to Stuxnet, the state-sponsored malware whose creators have never been confirmed, the recently-discovered trojan...' << wtf. confirmed as daylight. [02:41]
asciilifeform as mircea_popescu said, iirc, 'they want to be boiled in oil' [02:41]
mircea_popescu btw, to help publicise the most important, and therefore least well known aspect of the us justice system : [02:42]
mircea_popescu ”If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence ... and the courts must abide by that decision.“ [02:42]
mircea_popescu US v Moylan, 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, 1969, 417 F.2d at 1006 [02:42]
asciilifeform !s nullification [02:43]
assbot 6 results for 'nullification' : [02:43]
mthreat ah my urban negro [02:43]
asciilifeform known to a million people, but jury selection is typically such that they never sit [02:43]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, an undisputed and for that matter indisputable string of caselaw. [02:43]
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mircea_popescu mthreat ever had it ? [02:43]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, can't hurt to inform another million. [02:43]
mthreat i think so... alfajores everywhere here [02:43]
mircea_popescu if nothing else, decent odds it'll get you out of jury duty [02:43]
mthreat we got some dulce de leche liquor recently [02:44]
mircea_popescu i don't really trust mass produced sweets. in house all the way! [02:44]
* mthreat always gets out of jury duty, as an ex-felon ;) [02:44]
mircea_popescu o, you can never be on a jury now ? [02:44]
asciilifeform only reason usg still bothers with juries, is that they can generally be relied on to play ball, and this state of affairs is reasonably simple to maintain. [02:44]
mthreat ya. and funnily enough, i once got a jury summons from the very court that convicted me. [02:45]
mircea_popescu lol [02:45]
mthreat i think they did it to screw with me ;) [02:45]
mircea_popescu so did you go ? [02:45]
mthreat hell no [02:45]
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mircea_popescu why not lol [02:45]
mthreat although honestly, i wish i could serve on a jury [02:45]
mthreat i'd takeover that jury! [02:45]
mircea_popescu no you won't lol. [02:46]
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mircea_popescu if you want practice, go to boring women's thanksgiving parties. [02:46]
mats_cd03 jury duty sucks. plebs don't care a whit about proper execution of justice. [02:46]
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mircea_popescu pick up a waitress or something around november. [02:46]
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mircea_popescu mats_cd03 i think the great theory goes, that you don't need people who care, or who are competent, or understand anything etc. you just need enough of them. [02:48]
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assbot Jury Nullification | Fully Informed Jury Association ... ( ) [02:48]
mats_cd03 i sat. paid mere shillings per day ... and idiot walked, because jury couldn't be bothered [02:48]
mircea_popescu what case was it ? [02:48]
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mats_cd03 negligent discharge, officer killed a bystander in hot pursuit [02:49]
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mats_cd03 lemme see if i can find proceedings [02:50]
mircea_popescu dun bother. was just curious for the summary [02:51]
mats_cd03 i remember thinking at the time, [02:52]
mats_cd03 rules of engagement in afghan are more stringent than this. [02:52]
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bagels7 [18:30] <+mircea_popescu> bagels7 so what do you do for a living anyway << I hardly make a living, I depend on people [03:06]
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mircea_popescu how does that work ? [03:07]
mircea_popescu cazalla well they prolly have a point. [03:07]
asciilifeform << mega-lol [03:07]
bagels7 my boyfriend pays the rent [03:07]
assbot Woman posts “love” of ISIS on Facebook, charged with “promoting” terrorism | Ars Technica ... ( ) [03:07]
asciilifeform bagels7: 'occupation: pet' ? [03:08]
bagels7 asciilifeform: no he isn't like that [03:08]
cazalla ISIS in the news down under again too [03:08]
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cazalla cazalla well they prolly have a point <<< not that it matters at this point [03:10]
mircea_popescu bagels7 so what do you do, cook and clean ? give head ? sing & play the harp? [03:10]
bagels7 actually he cooks because he likes to cook, I used to cook. [03:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform teh old guys are really worried that the young guys may find out that the young girls are more impressed with isis-ing than with whatever the old guys clamor to be impressing them. [03:11]
mircea_popescu hey cazalla meet bagels7 [03:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'find out' ? lol. [03:12]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as if it were not obvious as daylight. [03:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well da fuck else lol. [03:12]
mircea_popescu nah but see, not what i mean. obviously the ones that are worth two shits don't need to find out. [03:12]
cazalla mircea_popescu, cause i need another woman that can't cook or clean? [03:12]
asciilifeform if not for the cultural wall, whole planet would be banging on the caliph's door [03:12]
mircea_popescu but the large bulk of pointless idiots that are telling themselves stories [03:12]
mircea_popescu should not get to confront the storytelling nature of their activity. [03:12]
undata hm, jailing people for "support"? [03:12]
bagels7 I like clean very much and do the floors almost daily [03:13]
mircea_popescu undata it's more amusing than that. 50 years ago, the fucktarded feminists in charge were all about how "love is the answer to all problems" [03:13]
mircea_popescu now they changed their tune, loving the wrong guys is no longer the cure. [03:13]
mircea_popescu poor unloved isis, no wonder it's going to rape the mdcss in corpore. [03:14]
mircea_popescu THEY WERENT LOVED! [03:14]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, leaving aside the "0 comments, nobody carres" part : [03:15]
assbot Maryland Council for Social Studies | MDCSS Congratulates 2014 Award Winners ... ( ) [03:15]
mircea_popescu why are there no men being given trophies ? [03:15]
undata mircea_popescu: why is no one embarassed by this kind of thing? [03:15]
mircea_popescu what is this bullshit ? i demand equal trophies given to men. [03:15]
undata we might as well just roll over and piss in the air [03:15]
undata if we can't handle them [03:15]
mircea_popescu undata because the ones that'd have enough sense for such a thing long left for isis ? [03:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that thing you dug up is some kind of appreciation award for schoolteachers. in usa 'social studies' is what they (for no reason i know of, despite being there) renamed 'history/geography' class in primary school. [03:16]
undata as long as we're all clear that the US is well into "jailing people for opinions" territory on this [03:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform soooo ? [03:17]
mircea_popescu still no men. [03:17]
undata not new behavior for us [03:17]
mircea_popescu undata love is not an oppinion. [03:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there are very few men teaching history in usa primary school level. [03:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform soooo ? [03:17]
mircea_popescu equal trophies motherfucker! [03:17]
asciilifeform l0l [03:17]
undata mircea_popescu: er um, words. she said certain words that are apparently very dangerous [03:17]
mircea_popescu no. i will not have my pov invalidated by ridicule! [03:17]
asciilifeform was anyone able to load the court document re: isiswoman ? [03:18]
undata "it's hot in here, someone kill the thermometer" [03:18]
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mircea_popescu lol [03:18]
bagels7 I make cardboard geometric solids, pretty much all of them, I read crappy news and start crappy arguements with silly opiniated people [03:19]
asciilifeform 'She is accused of telling an undercover FBI agent that she could help facilitate sending somebody to join the ISIS fight in Syria, and she then lied to FBI agents about it.' [03:19]
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asciilifeform re: 'lying': [03:19]
asciilifeform [03:19]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her pu [03:19]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptibl [03:19]
undata asciilifeform: a documentary comes to mind about the feds helping a group of black dudes "attempt an act of terrorism" [03:20]
asciilifeform undata: SOP [03:20]
asciilifeform !s new york death ray [03:20]
assbot 6 results for 'new york death ray' : [03:20]
asciilifeform this is, without exception, how it works [03:20]
mircea_popescu bagels7 well like that i can't imagine how you could avoid depression. [03:21]
asciilifeform 1) find an idiot 2) cultivate his (or her!) idiocy in a 'terrorist'-flavoured direction 3) arrest, trial 4) profit [03:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this "and then she lied about it" reminds me of a very particular thing that struck me a while back. [03:22]
mircea_popescu lemme dig it out. [03:22]
mircea_popescu [03:22]
assbot I am able to move small objects with my mind. ... ( ) [03:22]
mircea_popescu "We would never strike a student and whether the software is pirated or not is not the issue. He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable." [03:22]
asciilifeform the 'and then lied' thing (as reflected in earlier quote) is used to add a zero or two to the 'potential prison time' and make the chump play ball ('plea bargain') [03:22]
mircea_popescu this struck me when i read it because it is an exact reprise of the scholastics backing the inquisiton : [03:23]
mircea_popescu "we punish not for what they did, but because they think they should be punished" [03:23]
asciilifeform 'Of course, if the school ever found out that he had given Lissa his own password, it would be curtains for both of them as students, regardless of what she had used it for. School policy was that any interference with their means of monitoring students' computer use was grounds for disciplinary action. It didn't matter whether you did anything harmful—the offense was making it hard for the administrators to check on you. Th [03:23]
asciilifeform ey assumed this meant you were doing something else forbidden, and they did not need to know what it was.' [03:23]
mircea_popescu now, how some uncultured lout in australia and a bunch of uncultured louts in the us managed to reinvent the exact pits of scholastic thought in 15th century europe [03:23]
mircea_popescu is quite beyond me [03:23]
asciilifeform (the well-known 'right to read' by rms. ) [03:23]
assbot The Right to Read [03:24]
bagels7 mircea_popescu: I started making shapes to originally deal with depression in the first place and originally i was just making drawings [03:24]
mircea_popescu bagels7 how about just start doing something. [03:24]
undata !b2 [03:24]
undata :( [03:24]
bagels7 after i broke up with my boyfriend I was in a different state of mind [03:24]
undata doing something is always a good move [03:24]
bagels7 mircea_popescu: what specifically [03:27]
cazalla bagels7, you know, if you go do some witnesses, jehovah will fill your heart will joy! [03:27]
cazalla witnessing even.. this fkn alcohol and my brain [03:27]
undata I have a weird theory on depression, that it can often be a sort of phantom suffering phenomenon [03:27]
undata like a phantom limb [03:27]
bagels7 cazallaI have had enough "spiritual meals" from them in for a million life times [03:27]
mircea_popescu bagels7 i dunno, learn how to program computers and start contributing to a project. learn how to turn tricks and start doing outcalls. [03:27]
undata that most people actually don't get the recommended dose of suffering to calibrate their head [03:28]
mircea_popescu learn how to fix cars and go work in a garage. [03:28]
mircea_popescu somrthing, anything. [03:28]
bagels7 outcalls doesn't lead anywhere good, does it [03:28]
mircea_popescu sure it does. you get laid, make money, meet interestinf people... [03:28]
cazalla bagels7, you know how to door knock, what's the difference? [03:28]
mircea_popescu like anything else. work is work. [03:28]
bagels7 oh yeah. I have a client that does programming he hates it [03:29]
bagels7 ubisoft pays well though [03:29]
mircea_popescu a papier mache solids client ? [03:29]
undata bagels7: if you are - as you appear to be - in canada, eat some vitamin d, eh? [03:30]
undata which reminds me to do the same... [03:30]
bagels7 no an outcall client that is a programmer f [03:30]
bagels7 yeah thanks for the reminder [03:30]
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bagels7 I wish i would meat interesting people but it's not like they want to talk about work with me [03:31]
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mircea_popescu bagels7 ah, you're actually a whore ? [03:34]
bagels7 I like to garden but I don't have any's just nice being in a yard with chicken in the background [03:34]
bagels7 yeah a black girl in a park recruited me [03:34]
undata lol what [03:34]
* undata imagines clipboard and tshirt with logo [03:34]
bagels7 I don't get in cars with stangers though, that's how people disappear [03:35]
mircea_popescu is it any fun ? [03:35]
bagels7 sometimes [03:35]
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bagels7 I saw some fancy hotels and some guys are nice and one even took me to the restaurant twice [03:36]
mircea_popescu how many guys do you do a week ? [03:37]
bagels7 some guys are gross and I deal with it [03:37]
BingoBoingo 30 minutes left, dunno why they are waiting this late in the night. Almost like the police want a riot [03:37]
assbot Grand jury has reached decision in Ferguson case, announcement set for 8 p.m. : News ... ( ) [03:37]
bagels7 Only a few times a month, no more than 5 though sometimes perhaps twice that [03:37]
mthreat memories of Los Angeles 1992 [03:38]
mthreat rodney king [03:38]
mircea_popescu bagels7 why so unserious ? [03:38]
mircea_popescu you must to 30-50 guys a week. each week. [03:38]
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bagels7 why.. [03:39]
mircea_popescu so as to make a pile of money. [03:39]
danielpbarron because bitcoin is really cheap right now :p [03:39]
mircea_popescu then you can go to egypt, marry a local man with a harem, live the rest of your days in a garden with some chickens [03:39]
mircea_popescu all of which bipedal, some of which laying eggs, [03:40]
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mircea_popescu others of which speaking arabic and treating you like teh matriarch [03:40]
bagels7 that sounds lovely [03:40]
mircea_popescu so go for it. [03:40]
mircea_popescu how much for half and half ? [03:40]
bagels7 whats that [03:41]
mircea_popescu when you suck a dude and then fuck him. [03:41]
bagels7 Im supposed to charge extra for that? [03:41]
bagels7 its like 180 an hour [03:42]
mircea_popescu no lol, im just trying to find out how much you charge. [03:42]
mircea_popescu so then, 50 worked hours a week ~= 9k, in six weeks you have enough to implement this plan. [03:42]
bagels7 oh no I only make 80 + tips [03:43]
mircea_popescu what, you got like a pimp ? [03:43]
bagels7 like an agency [03:43]
mircea_popescu an agency that takes half hour money ? what is this ? [03:44]
bagels7 is that not normal? [03:44]
mthreat even apple only takes 30%! [03:44]
mircea_popescu no it's not normal. 10-15% is an agency. over that, it's a pimp. [03:44]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [03:45]
bagels7 well working by myself I keep getting guys that mess around [03:45]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [03:45]
mircea_popescu no fucking idea why an agency'd take a pefcent anyway. [03:45]
bagels7 newspaper ads? [03:45]
mircea_popescu fixed rate, hired for their services. phone screening or w/e it is, comes to 10 an hour. [03:45]
bagels7 yeah i been meaning to look around [03:45]
mircea_popescu how long have you been working at this ? [03:45]
bagels7 4 years of which i didnt work a year [03:46]
mircea_popescu i tell you, a serious girl HERE makes more than the 80 plus tips 5 times a month you're talking about. [03:46]
BingoBoingo [03:46]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( ) [03:46]
mircea_popescu and in four years you should already have a list of perms longer than your legs. [03:46]
cazalla bagels7, be a gamer girl cammer, some girls are getting thousand dollar tips on twitch [03:47]
mircea_popescu how old are you anyway ? [03:47]
bagels7 26 [03:48]
mircea_popescu Almost like the police want a riot << i bet you at least half the police want a riot. logically : 1) all these sweet toys they only get to play with if there's a riot ; 2) police funding depends on riots, their salaries may be on the line in all cases except if there;s a riot ; 3) these uppity niggers ? fuck them!!1 let's show em who's baws. [03:48]
mircea_popescu bagels7 so get to work, but seriously. [03:48]
mircea_popescu make simple rules : no six cocks today, no food. [03:49]
bagels7 yeah I guess I should get in shape and do my own independent thing [03:49]
mircea_popescu push dat hussle. [03:49]
bagels7 its not always cock [03:49]
mircea_popescu and if the town you're in can't provide more cock than you can scissor up, fucking move from that shitspot. [03:50]
mircea_popescu go to oman. [03:50]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And of course the last thing they might be considering is the outcome where the police lose. [03:50]
mircea_popescu are you white/blonde ? [03:50]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "i just work here" [03:50]
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mircea_popescu roughly the same fuckwits end up recruited by ganglords or the police, you realise. how many retarded kids think of the outcome where they get killed, on any one job ? [03:51]
bagels7 im a white red head [03:51]
bagels7 im not like hot or anything [03:51]
mircea_popescu bagels7 that doesn't affect how many people you fuck, just how much you can ask per. [03:52]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well none of them think that. At least not the ones who go police. Because Hollywood and stuff. [03:52]
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mircea_popescu in fact, prime girls have more of a problem trying to keep the engine going than A and B cuts. [03:52]
mircea_popescu they end up having to do a lot of jetting back and forth. [03:53]
BingoBoingo << 0.o [03:53]
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cazalla bagels7, you don't have to be hot to be a gamer girl, just play games and talk to the nerds and they'll send you tips, example - 565 viewers and she is ugly, Top Single Donation : Jamspr $750 Top Donator : Jared0x90 $2540 holy fuck if i was a girl i'd be on there playing pokemon for tips all day [03:53]
assbot Twitch ... ( ) [03:53]
bagels7 mirceau_popescu: yes but I am in a special non typical domain which is not interesting to most men [03:53]
undata BingoBoingo: fuckin badass man, like call of duty *takes selfie* [03:53]
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mircea_popescu cazalla may be on to something. play nekkid wow all day lmao. [03:54]
* BingoBoingo is safely on the other side of the river, surrounded by rural and pale folk [03:54]
mircea_popescu bagels7 what's that ? [03:54]
bagels7 transsexual escorts [03:55]
mircea_popescu oh [03:55]
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mircea_popescu uh. so what do you do, anal ?! [03:55]
bagels7 or what they call "shemales" [03:55]
cazalla mircea_popescu, twitch updated their rules, you can't show a tonne of cleavage anymore, this girl - kaceytron - her fault [03:55]
assbot Twitch ... ( ) [03:55]
BingoBoingo bagels7: There's still LiveJasmin or whatever. [03:56]
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mircea_popescu !up Belxjander [03:57]
-assbot- You voiced Belxjander for 30 minutes. [03:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49618 @ 0.00043275 = 21.4722 BTC [-] {2} [03:57]
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cazalla BingoBoingo, myfreecams > livejasmin [03:57]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo from what i hear camwhoring is doing poorly these days, most of the girls i knew killing the cams years ago are moving back to fucking [03:57]
BingoBoingo Ah. I wonder how many guys going from videos to cams just made the jump to actual escorts. [03:58]
bagels7 i still have like 500 dollars I can't claim on cam4 because my friend went on it and now they want said friends ID [03:59]
mircea_popescu bagels7 stop thinking about hundreds of dollars. whoring is a "five digit or go home" sort of affair. [04:00]
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bagels7 yeah but i was just desperately poor [04:00]
bagels7 I didnt want to make a living, do I have to be famous now [04:00]
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mircea_popescu you won't have a bf paying your rent when you're 48. [04:00]
BingoBoingo << Shots fired [04:01]
assbot St. Louis County Police Scanner on USTREAM: This is an audio stream of the St. Louis County Police scanners. [04:01]
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bagels7 I prayed to god for a better way to make money, In fact I prayed just before I met that girl, go figure [04:01]
mircea_popescu i thought only jews pray for money [04:01]
bagels7 i prayed for direction [04:01]
BingoBoingo This is the first time I've listened to a police scanner feed and not been incredibly bored [04:03]
xanthyos oh nice time to tune in, dpb [04:04]
xanthyos jew comments great [04:04]
bagels7 how the hell can I make 5 digits doing THAT [04:04]
xanthyos i thought these people were on a higher tier than the tinychat schlubs [04:04]
xanthyos awesome [04:04]
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cazalla chrome wheels! [04:05]
BingoBoingo A maroon pontiac grand prix [04:05]
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danielpbarron bagels7, try praying to the God of The Bible next time [04:08]
mthreat i know there's a strippers forum online, there's probably a prostitute one too [04:08]
bagels7 danielpbarron: what other gods are there? [04:08]
mthreat where they talk about how to make more money, etc [04:08]
cazalla danielpbarron, even Indiana Jones knew God's name is Jehovah (yes, they cherry picked shit like that) [04:08]
danielpbarron bagels7, we are all gods [04:08]
kakobrekla shut the fuck up. [04:09]
bagels7 danielpbarron: Now you sound like maryjane [04:09]
BingoBoingo #ChromeWheels is our Dog now. [04:09]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: police scanner << lol, there's still a city where police radio is plaintext ? [04:11]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, trunked I imagine. Long periods of silence though so maybe this is the channel of least interest. [04:12]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: outcome where the police lose << what's that look like? rioters bulldoze all the way to washington ? [04:12]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Or instead they start a Caliphate in Eastern Missouri. [04:13]
asciilifeform 'Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.' (tm) [04:13]
asciilifeform police - don't lose. [04:13]
mircea_popescu ;;ud ESS [04:13]
undata meanwhile [04:13]
gribble | Ess. A Cambodian expression used when a guy talks in a neutral tone while sounding like he's showing off. Either he's joking by blowing it out of proportion or  ... [04:13]
assbot Live Streaming 2 | ... ( ) [04:13]
danielpbarron bagels7, Is it not written in your law, "I said, 'You are gods'"? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, "You are blaspheming," because I said, "I am the Son of God"? (John 10:34-36, bold added) [04:13]
assbot A True Church - Arnold Murray ... ( ) [04:13]
mircea_popescu anyone know what this "ESS" is supposed to be in "natural law" clueless nitwittery ? [04:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00043753 = 11.8133 BTC [+] [04:14]
mircea_popescu i know there's a strippers forum online, there's probably a prostitute one too << there';s at least a hundred, of each. [04:14]
bagels7 mircea_popescu: It seems comon for agencies to take half [04:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform here's what it looks like : [04:16]
assbot ... ( ) [04:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: photo is not distinguishable from a 'maidan' scene [04:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: (yes, we know it was another animal, but how can one tell from photo.) [04:17]
cazalla undata, it's all white people inside on that video, all black people outside in the other stream i'm watching [04:17]
undata cazalla: seems about right [04:17]
mircea_popescu spot any milytsia in there ? [04:17]
BingoBoingo Tow truck trying to get through [04:17]
mircea_popescu cause at the time they were desperate for a friend, a relative, anyone, to hide them somewhere lest they be lynched. [04:17]
asciilifeform no ethnic sides in ro afaik [04:18]
cazalla i can see borat at bottom left of mid in that image [04:18]
cazalla [04:18]
BingoBoingo Whelp, no charges. [04:18]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( ) [04:18]
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BingoBoingo And the radio feed is silent [04:19]
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thestringpuller BingoBoingo: i like how they have yet to announce the indictment. has it leaked yet? [04:22]
asciilifeform wtf is the morse doing in there [04:22]
asciilifeform anybody catch it ? [04:22]
BingoBoingo I heard [04:22]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Seems just announced [04:22]
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mircea_popescu [04:23]
assbot Natural law, and the problem of definitions. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [04:23]
asciilifeform lol it's like they broadcast a 'gentlemen, start your engines, riot now'. [04:25]
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decimation asciilifeform: morse is commonly used in the us by those ignorant of it [04:25]
decimation buses, cop radios, etc [04:25]
asciilifeform decimation: why ? [04:25]
decimation the reason: the FCC requires station identification [04:25]
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decimation each one of those transmitters is given a special pass from stalin, and he requires continual reminders [04:26]
asciilifeform decimation: for police ?! [04:26]
decimation absolutely [04:26]
decimation after all, there's only one real sovereign [04:26]
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decimation for instance, to find something in your backyard: [04:28]
assbot License Search ... ( ) [04:28]
decimation shit, of course it is web 2.0 [04:28]
mircea_popescu interesting [04:28]
decimation here's another database [04:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00043753 = 11.9008 BTC [+] [04:28]
assbot Callsigns for FCC FRN: 0002134286 (MARYLAND, STATE OF) ... ( ) [04:28]
asciilifeform decimation: actual scanner is more interesting [04:28]
mircea_popescu decimation so how come you can put up wireless net ? [04:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 2.4G (and a few other bands) are statutorily 'special' in usa [04:29]
decimation [04:29]
assbot ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - KJH201 - MARYLAND NATIONAL CAPITAL PARK & PLANNING COMMISSION ... ( ) [04:29]
asciilifeform ianal - but iirc, only wattage is regulated in the 'license-free' bands [04:29]
decimation most of the entries in this database are woefully inaccurate [04:29]
BingoBoingo 4 guns stolen out of a vehicle [04:30]
decimation mircea_popescu: I've been trying to model a long distance version [04:30]
decimation a low speed version is possible without a license [04:30]
BingoBoingo 8146044 [04:30]
BingoBoingo ^ Some sort of code [04:30]
decimation asciilifeform: 2.4 ghz and 915 mhz bands alllow 1 watt out of amplifier if the waveform is spread spectrum [04:30]
danielpbarron looks like a phone number [04:31]
decimation sometimes the morse is a network or channel number [04:31]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: They didn't specify an area code, would be necessary. StL metro isn't that small [04:31]
decimation the vast majority of police radio systems in the us use 'apco-25' [04:31]
asciilifeform project-25' [04:31]
decimation typically trunked with a motorola control channel [04:31]
decimation exactly [04:32]
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decimation project 25 is a study in poorly wraught beltway banditry [04:32]
asciilifeform quite a few cities have aes'd project-25 (sometimes with null key, perversely) [04:32]
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bagels7 oman is weird, they have transsexual women but being gay is illegal. must be a rich country [04:32]
mircea_popescu it is rich yes. [04:33]
decimation asciilifeform: indeed. it was a big fight in many areas: [04:33]
assbot Arkansas men file lawsuit over police encryption - Washington Times ... ( ) [04:33]
decimation scanner listening used to only be a hobby for a few harmless weirdos [04:33]
asciilifeform afaik gestapo (fbi, dea, dhs, etc., etc) are 100% crypted now [04:33]
asciilifeform and no lawsuits. [04:33]
decimation then the 'iphone-streaming remote scanner apps' became popular [04:33]
decimation and the poor innocents that undata lauds suddenly listened with intense interest [04:34]
undata decimation: what are you talking about? [04:34]
decimation feds have been encrypted for a much longer time [04:34]
decimation undata: the poor blacks that are constantly murdered by the police [04:34]
decimation and not each other [04:34]
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BingoBoingo From reutersemily [04:35]
assbot No indictment of Darren Wilson in the shooting of Michael Brown. Heading to /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash tomorrow. See you soon. [04:35]
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BingoBoingo THROWING AMMUNITION? [04:35]
undata decimation: where do you live? [04:35]
decimation in the us [04:35]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo why the heck is she involved, wasn't she doing finance ? [04:36]
undata this "but they shoot each other" thing misses the point entirely [04:36]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That's what I thought. [04:36]
undata the thing I hate is the bullshit [04:36]
mircea_popescu apparently professionalism isn't what it used to be [04:36]
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BingoBoingo Maybe its recreational mircea_popescu "disaster tourism" [04:36]
mircea_popescu lol [04:36]
decimation I've always wondered why there's no 'tour the ghetto' bus in wash dc or baltimore [04:37]
* asciilifeform was taken on just such a tour once! private. [04:37]
decimation right, but I'm talking about a public tour that leaves from union station every hour [04:37]
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mircea_popescu decimation there is/(was?) one in south africa. [04:37]
undata masturbation everywhere [04:38]
asciilifeform ^ [04:38]
asciilifeform yes! even in the midst of civil war - one can still beat off. [04:38]
undata asciilifeform: hell, you can go have a picnic and watch depending on the era [04:38]
asciilifeform 'the privilege of king and slave alike' [04:38]
BingoBoingo [04:38]
assbot Police 10 Codes ... ( ) [04:39]
BingoBoingo Windows being broken out, 5-0 is rolling out [04:39]
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undata decimation: the point I was after is that cops should be obedient slaves to whatever commands them [04:39]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: whither the 5- codes? [04:39]
undata in cases like this they're just after their own masturbatory power [04:39]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: 5-0 is code for the po-po [04:39]
decimation 10-codes are another amusing case of sillyness [04:39]
undata just like you and your tour [04:39]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: from what period/place ? [04:40]
decimation it turns out that every juristidiction uses thier own codes [04:40]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Everyone around here calls police the 5-0 [04:40]
* asciilifeform did not know this [04:40]
undata decimation: I'm certain you'll get to see the cop tanks and other fun toys oppressing whites before long [04:41]
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asciilifeform undata: already old news. boston, etc [04:41]
undata I'm sure you'll just decide they're "white niggers" and enjoy it [04:41]
undata and so on [04:41]
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decimation [04:41]
assbot Chief tells the TRUTH that Black People dont want to hear. - YouTube ... ( ) [04:41]
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decimation asciilifeform: here is a nice list of every county in maryland [04:42]
assbot RADIO CODES & SIGNALS - MARYLAND ... ( ) [04:42]
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asciilifeform decimation: i've found that documents like this are absurdly out of date, in all cases. [04:43]
asciilifeform decimation: typically they are the product of someone typing up an ancient, yellowed 'radio amateurs guide' [04:43]
decimation asciilifeform: that one is pretty accurate at least as of a few years ago [04:43]
asciilifeform some things never move [04:43]
asciilifeform e.g., national time stations [04:44]
decimation at any rate, it is amusing in its non-uniformity - 10-60 in anne arundel is 'squad in area' while in pg it is 'bad check written' [04:44]
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decimation at any rate, it's easy enought to waste some time listening yourself [04:44]
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decimation it's pointless to want to listen to the encrypted channels anyway, because my experience was that before the cops had crypto they would just use a cell phone [04:44]
BingoBoingo Looting the Boost Mobile of all places? [04:45]
decimation actually WWV recently started broadcasting on 25 MHz again: [04:45]
assbot WWV’s 25 MHz Signal Back on the Air ... ( ) [04:45]
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BingoBoingo [04:47]
assbot Tweets about #FergusonLootCrew hashtag on Twitter ... ( ) [04:47]
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BingoBoingo !up Vexual [04:49]
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BingoBoingo Oh, squad 238 is retreating [04:49]
asciilifeform i've always wondered if police radio schemes like p25 are vulnerable to replay attacks. [04:49]
BingoBoingo Nevermind, staying put for now [04:50]
asciilifeform never gave enough of a shit to comb through the published specs to answer this riddle [04:50]
asciilifeform a 'wasp' could sow some very thick confusion via replay, even if he cannot decode. [04:51]
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decimation asciilifeform: someone already did it for you! [04:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they are afaik [04:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00043753 = 4.2878 BTC [+] [04:52]
asciilifeform note that portable radios have no countermeasure against the elementary traffic analysis needed to find message boundaries [04:52]
asciilifeform so anything you replay is a valid 'police order' [04:52]
mircea_popescu yup. [04:52]
decimation asciilifeform: yes, I believe the 'metadata' is contained in the unencrypted header [04:52]
mircea_popescu moreover, decrypting p25 is no feat [04:52]
mircea_popescu should come to bitcents per message. [04:52]
asciilifeform decimation: that was the 'thy use null keys' result [04:52]
asciilifeform if correctly configured - 256bit aes [04:53]
mircea_popescu right. [04:53]
asciilifeform but here's a little mindfuck (afaik, discussed nowhere) [04:53]
asciilifeform betcha there are speech-modulated analogue artifacts in the transmissions. [04:53]
mircea_popescu isn't that the 14 round braindead aes ? [04:53]
asciilifeform !s microphonics [04:53]
assbot 47 results for 'microphonics' : [04:53]
decimation "All models of P25 radios of which we are aware will [04:53]
decimation receive any traffic sent in the clear even when they are [04:53]
decimation in encrypted mode." [04:54]
asciilifeform then - doesn't matter what kind of cipher [04:54]
asciilifeform if microphonics. [04:54]
cazalla <<< this is to troll alex jones, again [04:54]
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Vexual i think the change they keys up too [04:54]
asciilifeform you read it here phirst (afaik) (tm) [04:54]
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mircea_popescu lol [04:54]
asciilifeform gotta understand, if above hypothesis is correct, they can use one time pad - and still be transparently readable. [04:55]
decimation asciilifeform: that would be pretty elementry [04:55]
asciilifeform would be interesting to take one of these radios and look for correlation between, say, amplitude - or carrier freq drift - and input audio [04:56]
asciilifeform good student project. [04:56]
decimation mircea_popescu apparently has pill for aes [04:57]
BingoBoingo Sending Tac in [04:57]
mircea_popescu decimation afaik the pill has been around 4ever ? [04:57]
mircea_popescu or w/e, 2006. [04:57]
decimation link? [04:57]
BingoBoingo Shots fired across from ferguson pd [04:58]
mircea_popescu [04:58]
assbot ... ( ) [04:58]
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decimation heh okay 2^126.4 work for 128-bit aes [04:59]
decimation I'm not too worried [04:59]
asciilifeform generally papers where you clobber something that has one (or both) hands tied behind its back - are not very exciting. [05:00]
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mircea_popescu 2*39 time to recover the complete 256-bit key of a 9-round version [05:01]
assbot Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2009/374 ... ( ) [05:01]
asciilifeform but it gives the overall flavour of approaches used by the folks with 'acres of crays', yes. [05:01]
mircea_popescu and for that matter, these are maximal. [05:01]
mircea_popescu and they rely on good entropy [05:01]
mircea_popescu and on the attacker not using side channels [05:01]
asciilifeform the actual 'pill' consists of knowing the class of weak keys. [05:01]
mircea_popescu and so on and so forth [05:01]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform we are the folk with acres of crays. like no others. [05:01]
asciilifeform which - i suspect - can be proven to exist in the general case. [05:02]
Vexual where will you find a police radio? [05:02]
BingoBoingo Vexual: ebay [05:02]
joecool_ try craigslist [05:02]
decimation Vexual: you can buy on ebay actually [05:02]
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BingoBoingo Oh two separate calls for tactical team backup nao [05:03]
Vexual really? I was gonna put on my best sherrif voice and call gme [05:03]
decimation in the us, the usg takes that kind of thing very seriously [05:03]
BingoBoingo Allegedly... [05:04]
BingoBoingo White Pontiac no plates [05:04]
decimation [05:05]
assbot Inspection Van | ... ( ) [05:05]
joecool lol [05:05]
joecool rip police car [05:05]
BingoBoingo Shots fired at the police department [05:06]
decimation that's not going to end well [05:06]
BingoBoingo Boston 11 Boston 92 [05:06]
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decimation asciilifeform: I found your ip flood amusing - all upnp hilarity [05:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67563 @ 0.0004234 = 28.6062 BTC [-] {3} [05:08]
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Vexual I guess if P25 is breakable theres a reason it hasn't popped up at defon or some such [05:09]
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decimation what is 'defon'? [05:09]
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mircea_popescu !up Pierre_Rochard [05:10]
-assbot- You voiced Pierre_Rochard for 30 minutes. [05:10]
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Vexual defcon [05:10]
BingoBoingo Prolly going to be some sweet videos on WOrld Star Hiphop tomorrow [05:10]
decimation Vexual: the above pdf I linked was a usenix, which was kind of a more civilized defcon [05:10]
Vexual oh [05:10]
decimation but the point is the weakness isn't the crypto, it's probably all the other stuff mircea_popescu + that paper mentioned [05:11]
decimation ie the fact that non-technical cops are going to have to actually use them [05:11]
mircea_popescu and they have to fit in portable instruments [05:11]
mircea_popescu and on and on [05:11]
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mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [05:13]
gribble Current Blocks: 331500 | Current Difficulty: 4.03000303278914E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 332639 | Next Difficulty In: 1139 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39445747976.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.11981 [05:13]
Vexual and they get shitty when it doesn't work and go back to analogue uhf [05:13]
mircea_popescu ;;nethash [05:13]
gribble 292532262.238 [05:13]
decimation related [05:14]
assbot Obama’s request for BlackBerry ‘bothered a lot of people’: ex-NSA official - NY Daily News ... ( ) [05:14]
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BingoBoingo Helicopter is down to 15 minutes of fuel [05:14]
mircea_popescu 3TH/s means, for the record, at something like 150 "times" per hash, that the bitcoin network does ~2**50 time as-is. [05:16]
BingoBoingo [05:16]
assbot IN CLAYTON: A few eggs thrown, but no other reaction from the small crowd outside the county Justice Center : News ... ( ) [05:17]
mircea_popescu a bitcoin's worth what, ~2**60 time each. [05:17]
decimation at least, a transaction is [05:17]
mircea_popescu decimation just trying to put in perspective the "time" in academic crypto paper. [05:18]
mircea_popescu breakage of a cypher that resists to 2**39 time costs roughly speaking a satoshi. [05:18]
decimation right, which is why no one uses 1024 rsa anymore (at least anyone who matters) [05:19]
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mircea_popescu decimation if you think the shocking stupidity of people like "silk road operators" occurs in a vacuum, let me remind you of the special agent that solved the case by excel spreadsheet. [05:19]
mircea_popescu and of the bank that did, too. [05:19]
decimation good crypto is really hard to implement [05:20]
decimation and the dunning-kruger effect is strong [05:21]
ben_vulpes the donkey kong is strong with this one [05:21]
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mircea_popescu lol [05:22]
mircea_popescu all this of course presupposes anyone gives a shit as to what fbi agents say to each other., [05:22]
mircea_popescu this is the tallest order in the whole discussion. [05:23]
mircea_popescu i'd rather watch flies fuck./ [05:23]
decimation mircea_popescu: or what obama says? [05:25]
mircea_popescu he can put it on his blog or w/e he has there, [05:26]
asciilifeform the folks who care about intercept of grunt radios - are concerned with tactic, not strategy. [05:26]
mircea_popescu i'll get to it eventually. [05:26]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i thought flies spawned and didn't actually fuck [05:26]
BingoBoingo Oh, police may have lost a radio [05:26]
decimation one could re-interpret the entire military-industrial-intel complex as a giant ego-trip [05:26]
asciilifeform that is, the immediate question of whether 'they' are on the way to your sector. [05:26]
asciilifeform and with what. [05:26]
BingoBoingo 60324 walkie [05:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i guess. [05:27]
asciilifeform it's quite like naval codes. [05:27]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller well they must do something at some point... [05:27]
decimation [05:27]
assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » White House Security ... ( ) [05:27]
asciilifeform who the fuck cares whether uss fucktarditz is on its way to the north atlantic [05:27]
asciilifeform except for those paid to care. [05:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you're down to finding out about this trhough its own radio chatter... [05:28]
decimation asciilifeform: you can see the self-licking ice cream cone here [05:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nah. through radio chatter the week before in port. [05:28]
asciilifeform just example. [05:28]
mircea_popescu i guess. [05:29]
asciilifeform notice many armchair generals in the world. even armchair admirals. [05:29]
asciilifeform but no armchair sergeants. [05:29]
asciilifeform because how. [05:29]
mircea_popescu i confess i don't believe in this jit style of military operations. [05:29]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu believes in reconnaissance-by-fire ? [05:30]
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decimation mircea_popescu: I agree with you. one of the downfalls of the us is the large standing army of volunteers [05:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform pretty much. [05:31]
decimation a military of conscripts has the benefit of 1.) cannon fodder and 2.) actual people that can be sorted into leadership [05:31]
mircea_popescu maybe i'm too used to running campaigns where the "enemy" can't even muster the courage to use its materiel. [05:31]
asciilifeform thing is, enemy who has bureaucracy coming out of his ears - is an open book. [05:32]
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asciilifeform !up Vexual [05:33]
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decimation asciilifeform: good point, in order to coordinate bureaucratically one nearly always must have enemy agents 'in the loop' [05:33]
Vexual thats some art of war stuff there ascii [05:33]
asciilifeform point was much simpler. re: why radio in port. [05:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform let me articulate my objection better, out of respect for the attention it's getting. [05:34]
mircea_popescu man is given voice to hide his thoughts. your enemy is not to be trusted. why would you trust x thing he's SAYING ? sure, maybe it's true, maybe it doesn't realise you're listening. after you use it, he will. if he's too stupid to, you won't need it anyway. if you need it, you probably should not be fighting anyway. [05:35]
mircea_popescu makes sense ? [05:35]
asciilifeform this assumes opponent with functioning brain [05:36]
asciilifeform retarded child can actually say 'now i will shit' - and then do it [05:36]
mircea_popescu if his brain is not functioning you need not pay attention to him. [05:36]
mircea_popescu i don't watch water in the eyes while pouring it. [05:36]
asciilifeform he can still take the shit [05:36]
mircea_popescu i do watch large cat in the eyes while petting it [05:36]
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mircea_popescu but, anyway, let anyone fighting a war fight it the way he deems most convenient, who am i to intercede. [05:37]
decimation "According to the Secret Service, a male recruit in his twenties needs to perform 11 chin-ups to receive an "excellent" rating; performing four chin-ups or fewer would disqualify him from serving as a Secret Service agent. But for a female recruit in her twenties, four chin-ups would earn her an " [05:37]
decimation excellent" rating; just one chin-up is enough for her to avoid the disqualifying "very poor" rating." [05:37]
assbot Secret Service Requires Female Agents to Meet Lower Physical Strength Standards Than Male Agents | The Weekly Standard ... ( ) [05:37]
mircea_popescu decimation this makes sense. do the experiment yourself, make juciy ass 21yo chicks do chinups. [05:38]
decimation I believe usg military doesn't even require one chinup from females - just 'bent arm hang' [05:38]
mircea_popescu then look how the shoulders and arms look of a (always titless) woman that can do 11 [05:38]
Vexual I don't suppose they mean to say the girls aren't allowed to be as strong as the men [05:38]
BingoBoingo Injured Journalist nao [05:39]
decimation reality must intercede somewhere into usg's neat pronoucements [05:39]
nubbins` [05:39]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( ) [05:39]
nubbins` 8 layers down, 2 to go [05:39]
asciilifeform fact is, they have a bottomless supply of proper grunts [05:39]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i thought you were stripping. scam. [05:39]
asciilifeform and can afford (or think they can) the charity cases. [05:39]
nubbins` i am [05:39]
nubbins` it's an ABC party [05:40]
Vexual thats that pussy pink inkl you never bought [05:40]
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decimation asciilifeform: that might be true today, but at the current trajectory (when the females are all in management) will it be true in 20 years? [05:40]
asciilifeform decimation: they are already in management [05:40]
asciilifeform decimation: familiar with the infamous u.s. navy captains ? [05:41]
mircea_popescu !up Flyer33 [05:41]
decimation eh? [05:41]
-assbot- You voiced Flyer33 for 30 minutes. [05:41]
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mircea_popescu !up Flyer9933 [05:41]
-assbot- You voiced Flyer9933 for 30 minutes. [05:41]
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nubbins` too many flyers [05:41]
mircea_popescu lol [05:41]
Vexual nice gold [05:41]
asciilifeform [05:41]
decimation !up GNULinuxGuy [05:41]
assbot CAPT. HOLLY GRAF ... ( ) [05:41]
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asciilifeform etc. [05:41]
asciilifeform there are at least 3 famous one [05:41]
asciilifeform s [05:41]
decimation nubbins`: very pretty cover [05:41]
mircea_popescu [The two Democratic fundraisers that Obama attended brought in roughly $3.5 million (source). So it would have been far cheaper for taxpayers if Obama had stayed in Washington and the U.S. Treasury had written a $3.5 million check to the Democratic Party.] [05:42]
nubbins` tyvm [05:42]
mircea_popescu [05:42]
nubbins` much work so far [05:42]
mircea_popescu and this was in 2010. [05:42]
assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama saved by the fighter jet that he canceled ... ( ) [05:42]
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mircea_popescu excellent example of why corruption is not the worst problem in a state. [05:42]
decimation mircea_popescu: except legally those actions were 'not corrupt' [05:43]
BingoBoingo Second police car down "marked county police car fully engulfed in flames" [05:43]
asciilifeform [05:43]
assbot First female warship captain stripped of command over affair allegations [05:43]
thestringpuller ;;ud hnic [05:43]
gribble | HNIC. acronym for Head Nigga In Charge. Contrary to public opinion, *slams fist on table* ... "There is only one boss here, and that's me, the HNIC!" -Joe Clark. [05:43]
mircea_popescu decimation but if they were corruption, it'd be cheaper. [05:43]
BingoBoingo Looter also maybe smarted up, at a bank nao? [05:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't get this. what exactly about being a rabid slut makes a woman unfit to command ? [05:44]
decimation yeah. In china, there's more of a "the boss can profit if the project works" mentality I am told [05:44]
BingoBoingo Also they used the retreat word on the radio [05:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not the slut part, the nepotism and resulting umbrella over incompetent fucktoy subordinates [05:45]
Vexual nubs: on the satin black its remenicent of leatherbound [05:45]
mircea_popescu ah that. [05:45]
asciilifeform but perhaps that is like saying that it is not the bullet that is a problem, but the bullet hole. [05:45]
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mircea_popescu honestly, the only appeal i see to a life in the military is having a bunch of sex slave commanding officers. [05:45]
mircea_popescu kinda like that guy in prison that had the guards tattooed and whatnot [05:45]
decimation mircea_popescu: that's 'fraternization' [05:46]
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decimation it would be 'corrupt' you see [05:46]
asciilifeform when this becomes 'a thing' and the overall purpose of organization is subverted, long and hard enough - it dies. [05:46]
mircea_popescu well, it'd be fun anyway. [05:46]
asciilifeform fun on the correct end of the barrel, yes. [05:46]
nubbins` BingoBoingo share some local news links [05:46]
mircea_popescu lol [05:47]
assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » How to spend $400 million on a helicopter ... ( ) [05:47]
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BingoBoingo nubbins`: [05:47]
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BingoBoingo Police said "skirmish line" [05:47]
decimation conquest's third law: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. " [05:48]
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assbot It's looking like Gotham in STL tonight. /hashtag/prayforSTL?src=hash [05:48]
BingoBoingo [05:48]
assbot ScribbleLive Professional [05:48]
Vexual swamp=gotham? [05:48]
decimation mircea_popescu: yeah the rediculous helicopters are amusing [05:48]
BingoBoingo >> linked the scribble live login [05:49]
assbot St. Louis Sports, News, Jobs, Classifieds, Entertainment & Weather ... ( ) [05:49]
BingoBoingo Instead of the story [05:49]
mircea_popescu conquest's third law: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. " <<< quite. [05:49]
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BingoBoingo "Quiet Sunflower, Quiet Sunflower" [05:51]
BingoBoingo ^ Has to be a code word [05:51]
decimation start the napalm? [05:51]
Vexual get some donuts? [05:51]
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asciilifeform qualified snipers. [05:52]
mircea_popescu this absolutely us fascination with "codewords" [05:52]
mircea_popescu it melts the brain [05:52]
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undata they're going to milk the shit out of that burning car picture [05:53]
BingoBoingo Grocery store beiseiged by masked protesters with 10 employees inside. Walgreens looted [05:53]
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nubbins` "protesters" [05:54]
Vexual and or [05:54]
nubbins` drunk man with bottle of absolut heading to scene [05:54]
decimation mircea_popescu: actually there is some 'pushback' against it, because of its tardation: [05:54]
assbot In plain English - Worcester Telegram & Gazette - ... ( ) [05:55]
undata seems it doesn't matter precisely what "demonstrators" do, so long as they "demonstrate" disorder [05:55]
BingoBoingo Heart attack at the fire station [05:55]
undata I don't know that stealing shit is any less legitimate than burning cop cars [05:55]
undata nor that legitimacy is the question [05:55]
nubbins` ^ [05:55]
BingoBoingo Force is the legitimacy [05:55]
nubbins` still following the guy w/ the vodka [05:55]
mircea_popescu drunk man with bottle of absolut heading to scene << lawl. [05:55]
decimation Pour la canaille: Faut la mitraille. [05:55]
nubbins` mp srsly there's a cop on the radio giving updates on him [05:56]
nubbins` HE IS WEARING A BLUE COAT [05:56]
undata nubbins`: that's his bidness coat [05:56]
Vexual i got this [05:56]
mircea_popescu wait i thought you were being parodical. [05:57]
BingoBoingo Someone has been shot [05:57]
mircea_popescu << research that mothers are boring and ineffectual childcarers. and other stuff. [05:57]
assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog ... ( ) [05:57]
mircea_popescu . “Researchers have revealed a robust association between father absence—both physical and psychological—and accelerated reproductive development and sexual risk-taking in daughters,” [05:58]
mircea_popescu ahem. [05:58]
mircea_popescu single mothers raise sluts? who knew! [05:58]
undata fascinating that it has some biology behind it though [05:58]
Vexual ug [05:58]
mircea_popescu anyway, the quoted explaination is nonsense. [05:58]
mircea_popescu the mechanism is quite simple : if the males are absent the population is under threat and it must be supported biologically. [05:59]
asciilifeform wai wat, that was an explanation ?! [05:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, im not quoting the blather. [05:59]
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BingoBoingo Walgreens is now on fire, guessing they already took all of the cool drugs [05:59]
Vexual beats freud [05:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mechanism is observable in rats and other rodents (where, iirc, sex ratios skew towards males in lean times) [06:00]
mircea_popescu yup. even in insects. [06:00]
decimation "During rough-and-tumble play like this, fathers tend to use playful teasing to “destabilize children both emotionally and cognitively,” which children like—despite the seemingly ominous implications of the word “destabilizing.”" [06:00]
mircea_popescu it's one of those fundamental apis of reality that'd be implemented in all species-language [06:00]
asciilifeform !s r-strategy [06:00]
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mircea_popescu decimation this is true, and you can diagnose it in adults by their reaction to minor destabilisation. [06:01]
undata also obvious, I would think [06:01]
mircea_popescu one of those few things people can't lie about. [06:01]
nubbins` mcd's on fire [06:01]
Vexual now burger king [06:02]
asciilifeform funny how nothing but the designated 'kindling' is ever burned up in u.s. riots. [06:02]
nubbins` leave wendy's until they get rid of the pretzel burge [06:02]
BingoBoingo Fire Department/Human Shields en route to Walgreens [06:02]
decimation mircea_popescu: yeah, generally people tend to appreciate people who upset their worldview [06:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if the rats set fire to the lab, what'd you expect they'd burn ? the cages or the files ? [06:02]
asciilifeform lol right [06:02]
mircea_popescu decimation noi lol, generally they don't. [06:03]
decimation asciilifeform: this is a set-peice opera, with each side playing their part [06:03]
mircea_popescu rarely they do, but that's ok, because rarely people are worth bothering with [06:03]
asciilifeform decimation: abundantly obvious [06:03]
decimation mircea_popescu: generally only in retrospect [06:03]
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mircea_popescu so is this us engaging in honor-burning of mcdonalds ? [06:03]
BingoBoingo It might be. [06:03]
BingoBoingo Police seem more concerned with the Walgreens though [06:04]
decimation it's traditional that the businesses that cater to the ghetto are the first ones visited with destruction [06:04]
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decimation !up Vexual [06:04]
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Vexual hehe [06:04]
undata attacking the symbols of merica [06:04]
undata I guess walmart's next? [06:04]
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decimation !up Fergudishu [06:04]
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mircea_popescu i thought obama was the only symbol america needed. [06:05]
nubbins` HOPE [06:05]
Fergudishu [06:05]
assbot LIVE: Ferguson coverage after grand jury decision to not indict Ferguson Ofc. Darren Wilson - YouTube ... ( ) [06:05]
BingoBoingo NOPE [06:05]
mircea_popescu DOPE! [06:05]
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nubbins` Fergudishu holy fuck there's a trollbox?!?! [06:06]
Vexual I'm not sure you can describe humans much at all with rats [06:06]
Fergudishu nubbins`: yes [06:06]
decimation asciilifeform: of course, you are familiar with that set of people who are 'professional anarchists' [06:06]
nubbins` white male w/ flag bandana wanted for torching cop car [06:07]
Fergudishu [06:07]
assbot LIVE: Reaction on the streets of Ferguson to Grand Jury Decision - YouTube ... ( ) [06:07]
* asciilifeform is also familiar with the set of people who are paid to hunt all day, every day, for new 'outrages' of the kind required to set up 'a ferguson' [06:07]
BingoBoingo WHITE MALE set a police car on fire [06:07]
Fergudishu false flag [06:07]
undata mircea_popescu: "now now now I know this is a complex and divisive issue..." [06:07]
nubbins` it was a false flag indeed [06:07]
undata that fucking guy can't even squeeze out a statement that has a drop of meaning in it [06:08]
nubbins` apparently the flag isn't supposed to be used as a bandana [06:08]
decimation asciilifeform: a 'self-licking ice cream cone' indeed [06:08]
decimation lol that trollbox is gonna explode [06:08]
nubbins` it's crazier than the one on jd [06:09]
Fergudishu nubbins`: that has 85k people watching and a trollbox lmao [06:09]
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asciilifeform !s yi yi zhi yi [06:12]
assbot 10 results for 'yi yi zhi yi' : [06:12]
undata there's serious cognitive dissonance here [06:13]
undata this government kills people around the world with flying robots [06:13]
BingoBoingo undata: Maybe some of us want both sides to lose? [06:13]
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undata BingoBoingo: no not in #ba [06:13]
Vexual yeah, and ive never given negative fuck b4 [06:13]
asciilifeform anyone who thinks this is a 'popular grievance' thing - how many u.s. folks were fucked over in real estate, other chumpatrons? how many of the perpetrators burned? [06:13]
asciilifeform right - zero. [06:13]
asciilifeform the mob riots at lizard hitler's pleasure, for his purposes. [06:14]
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undata the cognitive dissonance is the thought that a government that has made its *business* killing innocents would protect some guy gunned down in its own streets [06:14]
assbot BREAKING NOW: NYPD Commissioner Bratton was just splattered with fake blood at /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash protest via /jeffrae [06:14]
decimation undata: what weight do you lend to the fact that the guy was a thug who just finished robbing a store? [06:15]
undata decimation: as someone said above, the rules of engagement in afghanistan were stricter [06:16]
asciilifeform local police will be partially disarmed and yet more bureaucratized, yes. and ultimately - subordinated and absorbed into a national gendarmerie. [06:16]
asciilifeform as is the plan. [06:16]
asciilifeform have to be blind, not to see this. [06:16]
cazalla undata, why the sympathy for a nignog that got what he deserved? [06:16]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah that's probably true [06:16]
asciilifeform 'fergusons' - have a purpose. [06:16]
undata cazalla: I don't care about the individual [06:17]
cazalla i mean really, the shop owner who he stole from should've done what the cop did [06:17]
undata the trend is as asciilifeform describes [06:17]
decimation only the 'national guard of the people' can be entrusted with the revolution [06:17]
asciilifeform in the end, gendarmerie 'democratizer' baton will roger black and white alike [06:17]
decimation undata: perhaps those loose 'rules of engagement' were a tacit acknowledgement of reality? [06:17]
undata decimation: that's not a call a beat cop gets to make [06:17]
asciilifeform !s democratizer [06:18]
assbot 130 results for 'democratizer' : [06:18]
Vexual let the rioters decide [06:18]
decimation what should he do, phone washington for instructions? [06:18]
asciilifeform ^ utterly broken search in #b-a [06:18]
asciilifeform what part of 'i do not want to see anything without this word' is hard to understand ? [06:18]
asciilifeform FUCK 'user-friendliness' [06:18]
asciilifeform the search box - is a disgrace. [06:18]
undata asciilifeform: searchifility [06:18]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah you need a --no-stem option [06:19]
asciilifeform no. [06:19]
asciilifeform non-retardation is not optional. [06:19]
asciilifeform this is 'systemd' all over again. [06:19]
undata decimation: the guy shouldn't have shot a guy for yelling at him [06:19]
decimation well, he could have been yelling, or he could have been charging with a suspicious object [06:19]
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decimation I guess the grand jury heard enough evidence either way [06:20]
undata yeah 20 mouthbreathing average fucks decided [06:20]
undata case closed [06:20]
mircea_popescu yeah, and ive never given negative fuck b4 << im kinda with him on this one., [06:20]
* decimation wasn't there, didn't see, can only witness the results [06:20]
undata there's video of this; I watched it. The guy didn't "charge" [06:21]
undata there's plenty you can't see, but he's just standing there yelling, then on the street dead [06:21]
Vexual mircea_popescu: If this was planes landing fast in gotham, I could understand the excitement [06:21]
undata haven't heard a single person say "maybe the cop just lacked trigger discipline and was otherwise a coward" [06:21]
mircea_popescu the trend is as asciilifeform describes << how could it not be ? who the fuck ever heard of soviets in soviet russia. [06:21]
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mircea_popescu a, right, decimation said it first. [06:22]
mircea_popescu and better. [06:22]
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asciilifeform the notion that a riot in modern usa can happen - and persist - 'naturally' - is horseshit of the first order. [06:23]
asciilifeform if it is happening, it is on lizard hitler's nod. [06:23]
asciilifeform if not direct order. [06:24]
asciilifeform in what riot was 'goldman sachs' burned ? [06:24]
mircea_popescu the us wants to be like the uk! and pretend it can riot! [06:24]
mircea_popescu why you piss on parade. [06:24]
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decimation asciilifeform: as they say in dc, never waste a good crisis [06:24]
undata asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: I don't know, we'll see [06:25]
decimation asciilifeform: if anything, this violence is quite unimpressive compared to the 60's [06:25]
undata we've rioted before [06:25]
Vexual punkman could getin there and riot the pants off very fool in it [06:25]
asciilifeform 60s << there are swaths of dc, even, that are still 'berlin 1945' [06:25]
decimation but aging hippies are still around, still have friends [06:25]
asciilifeform not to mention ny, detroit, etc [06:25]
asciilifeform note which swaths. [06:25]
asciilifeform not the lizard quarters. [06:25]
undata don't get me wrong; most of it is limp dicked twitter protest [06:26]
mircea_popescu whadda ya mean 'berlin 1945' ? [06:26]
asciilifeform as mircea_popescu pointed out - lab rats - will burn own cages. [06:26]
asciilifeform if only because nothing else is accessible. [06:26]
asciilifeform 1945 << ruins. [06:26]
mircea_popescu ah [06:26]
decimation nor can they imagine anything else exists [06:26]
mircea_popescu mentally accessible, yes. [06:26]
undata asciilifeform: and hell, there were bombings back then [06:26]
mircea_popescu ant bites your hand, not your scrotum [06:26]
undata it's not so that the US never had actual protest [06:26]
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asciilifeform there was a time before 'well-trained masses' when actual 'pinkertons' has to man actual gatling guns to keep the mob in its proper street [06:27]
undata I think things are going to get ugly here; it's just going to take an economic shock along with [06:27]
Vexual greeks throw some rocks, yell loug and go home to spill some souvlaki on their bear, let the givt think about it [06:27]
undata you combine militarized police with a currency crisis, something of that nature, then maybe [06:27]
decimation asciilifeform: [06:29]
undata or better stated, right now the protesters still have somewhere to go home to [06:29]
assbot Ludlow Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [06:29]
asciilifeform aha [06:29]
asciilifeform and others. [06:29]
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undata I'd like to see what happens when they do not [06:29]
undata 5 years, 10? [06:29]
cazalla undata, you want to avoid this? [06:29]
undata cazalla: "I'd like to see" [06:30]
undata hell no [06:30]
asciilifeform undata: the folks 'who do not' - today - are they in a mob? what have they burned? [06:30]
asciilifeform or do they simply 'go gently into that good night' somehow [06:30]
asciilifeform as invariably happens. [06:30]
asciilifeform sometimes - with help, sometimes - without [06:30]
asciilifeform herr orlov: 'you will know that collapse has happened only when it happens to you.' [06:31]
decimation related [06:31]
assbot Study: US attracting fewer educated, highly skilled migrants | UW Today ... ( ) [06:31]
decimation "While 27 percent of migrating professionals among the sample group chose the U.S. as a destination in 2000, in 2012 just 13 percent did. The decline was seen across professionals with bachelor’s, master’s and doctoral degrees." [06:31]
decimation the relative winners: africa, latin america, ocean, asia [06:32]
Vexual what do you like about living in the us asciilifeform? [06:32]
asciilifeform plenty of would-be pilots for the wooden cargo-cult airplane. [06:32]
undata asciilifeform: I'd think it depends on how many [06:32]
undata but it's not a simple thing to predict [06:32]
asciilifeform Vexual: i've never lived anywhere else as an adult [06:32]
asciilifeform Vexual: so cannot properly answer [06:32]
Vexual you left ussr? [06:32]
asciilifeform as a boy. [06:32]
asciilifeform technically, it left first. [06:33]
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Vexual oh [06:33]
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asciilifeform !up Vexual [06:34]
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BingoBoingo,37528/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Pic:1:Default [06:34]
assbot Heavy Police Presence In Ferguson To Ensure Residents Adequately Provoked | The Onion - America's Finest News Source [06:34]
undata BingoBoingo: haaah [06:35]
undata the news cycles on these things are heading towards the minutes-scale [06:35]
undata what were we talking about? [06:35]
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undata my selfish concern is that the goddamn american roof falls in before I've vacated the building. [06:36]
undata it probably will [06:36]
asciilifeform i'm fairly certain this will happen in my case. [06:36]
asciilifeform what can i say, not everybody gets to 'take the train out of berlin a day before everyone else' [06:37]
asciilifeform !s gravity well [06:37]
assbot 19 results for 'gravity well' : [06:37]
decimation unfortunately, there's not an 'american frontier' to emigrate to these days [06:37]
asciilifeform south pole? [06:37]
undata melt antarctica? [06:37]
undata ha [06:37]
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asciilifeform i hear the last u.s. icebreaker has broken down. [06:38]
decimation millions of times easier to do it there than in space [06:38]
asciilifeform so, it may actually be a non-usg zone until it is repaired. [06:38]
Vexual where is it? [06:38]
decimation or... in a submarine [06:38]
asciilifeform and yes, much easier than in space. [06:38]
asciilifeform or in submarine, at least while usg undersea stationary sonar arrays function. [06:38]
asciilifeform *or than in submarine [06:38]
Vexual this reminds me of the first time i saw douglas mawson smiling back at me fron the $100 note [06:38]
decimation asciilifeform: usg radio chatter, ready for you to listen: [06:39]
assbot Operation Deep Freeze 2014 | USA-Satcom ... ( ) [06:39]
asciilifeform why me. [06:40]
decimation you mentioned the 'radio in port' earlier, plus the south pole [06:40]
asciilifeform i also mentioned 'folks paid to give a damn' [06:40]
decimation hehe [06:40]
asciilifeform like, if mircea_popescu figures correctly, orlov [06:40]
asciilifeform if his check from moscow didn't bounce - he can listen. [06:41]
decimation eh, I bet orlov is more in the send rather than receive racket [06:41]
undata if I had a few mil, I'd try to build a greenhouse on a barge [06:41]
undata and I'd just leave [06:41]
undata head for the south pacific or something [06:41]
asciilifeform undata: generally folks with a liquid, detachable (!) 1mil usd - have considerably more that is left behind, like the early stages of a rocket [06:42]
decimation at any rate, for folks with the skills, one can track most aircraft at will [06:42]
asciilifeform try moving your only 1mil overseas, intact [06:42]
asciilifeform see also mircea_popescu's article 'on your way out of the gravity well, this awaits you' [06:42]
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undata asciilifeform: next years business income will be put to work purchasing BTC [06:43]
undata asciilifeform: << this is the one? [06:44]
assbot PSA : If you're trying to escape the gravity well, you'll meet this on your way. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [06:44]
asciilifeform ^ yes that one [06:44]
decimation I bet problems like that one can be solved... by pay money to the right agents [06:45]
asciilifeform can be solved in 100 ways [06:45]
asciilifeform but they all involve some kind of burn. [06:45]
decimation yeah [06:45]
asciilifeform hence - rocket metaphor. [06:45]
decimation if you want to 'build slowly' usg will be interested in your form 8938 [06:45]
asciilifeform to usg, you are a resource. a head of cattle. who lets a cow go ? [06:46]
asciilifeform only when its teat is empty of milk, and then the hide is emptied of skin, can there be any question of 'letting it go.' and even then, someone might like to tan your hide. [06:46]
asciilifeform *hide emptied of meat [06:47]
* asciilifeform ought to goto bed [06:47]
Vexual this is why theres some nutters floating around the indian ocean ex capetown [06:47]
kakobrekla !b 4 [06:47]
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decimation asciilifeform: I wish usg took more of interest in raising quality rather than maximal extraction [06:47]
asciilifeform lol, quality [06:48]
asciilifeform dem0cr4cy!! [06:48]
undata nah, just get more plastic shit on the shelves [06:48]
asciilifeform rivers'o'meat. [06:48]
kakobrekla fuckin vexual spamming my bashes [06:48]
decimation yeah, that's the trend for the past 200 years [06:48]
Vexual what did i do now? [06:48]
asciilifeform does 'bash' even still work. [06:48]
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kakobrekla what do you mean? [06:49]
asciilifeform aha i recall, kakobrekla has to manually pick the goodies every now and again from it [06:49]
Vexual jorov too i expect [06:49]
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kakobrekla myea gotta get to it soon. [06:50]
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undata goodnight all; I'm going to make like a good russian in '90 and drink [06:51]
Vexual kudos [06:52]
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mircea_popescu if I had a few mil, I'd try to build a greenhouse on a barge << barge powered by ethanol, lemme guess ? [07:06]
mircea_popescu try moving your only 1mil overseas, intact << if it makes you feel any better, when i left romania (the first time) i gave away large chunks of what otherwise'd been "wealth". [07:07]
mircea_popescu just like if al saud decides to leave saudi arabia he's not likely going to SELL it. [07:07]
decimation mircea_popescu: as to our conversation a few days ago about what King Louis XVI could have done about the socialist uprising, perhaps one answer is that actual people everywhere have an interest in damping the enthusiasm of this kind of mob [07:09]
mircea_popescu sure, so you have an interest. what now ? [07:10]
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decimation I suppose these kinds of counterfactuals always factor down to 'should have killed private Schicklgruber' [07:11]
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mircea_popescu looky here, dying empires don't dampen the mob. that's a job for the earlier times. [07:13]
mircea_popescu back when men still believed in the future of the entire construction, the effort and inclination to take children and wives over the knee can readily be summoned. [07:13]
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mircea_popescu once it's fate is sealed, who can be bothered ? would you punish your children for misbehaving in a nuclear shelter ? [07:13]
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decimation yeah that's a good point. especially if some homeless laut is peddling a false hope in the corner over there [07:14]
mircea_popescu let em have fun, what. [07:15]
decimation and so what comes is a generation of spoiled brats, willing to listen to whoever is promising bread & circuses [07:15]
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mircea_popescu "Let Gingrich and Gore hail the arrival of the information superhighway that "the people" can use to talk back to our "leaders." Their illusive dream of "participatory democracy" will be short-lived. [07:24]
mircea_popescu Because this highway doesn't lead to Washington." [07:24]
mircea_popescu quite. [07:24]
mircea_popescu no roads lead to washington, actually. [07:24]
mircea_popescu "The information revolution will transform the politics of power just as surely as the broadcast media did 70 years ago. Only this time, power will devolve back toward its sources, not inward toward demagogues seeking to gather it. The Net will subvert the centralized economic and social control mechanisms that allowed the great welfare-warfare states[33] of the 20th century to dominate our commerce, our psychic landsc [07:24]
mircea_popescu ape and even our definition of who we are." [07:24]
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mircea_popescu Wait for the day when citizens, incessantly polled by leaders trying to jump out in front of each passing parade, don't even bother answering the questions. "Do you feel that your group is going to get its fair share of the booty your elected representatives plan to pilfer from that group?" Get lost. [07:25]
mircea_popescu I am an American, but my children will be free citizens of the Net. They may reside in this country[22] or that, but their economic and social intercourse will effortlessly span the globe. [07:25]
mircea_popescu this guy should get some sort of journalism reward. [07:26]
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decimation yeah Jim has a point, it seems to me the Internet has a tendency to empower the periphery at the expense of the center [07:34]
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decimation when communication between the outposts becomes cheap, a giant bureaucracy to 'coordinate' things suddenly seems redundant [07:34]
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undata mircea_popescu: I have no philosophical objection to burning gas [07:47]
undata whatever the cheapest power plant is at the time will do [07:47]
undata I'd plan on still making software for money in such a scenario [07:48]
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undata I think I could stomach enough human contact to tank up. [07:51]
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ben_vulpes and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter. << this exists in point of fact? [07:56]
ben_vulpes i miss all the good logs. [07:58]
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ben_vulpes can i use a credit card << no but he does accept payment in tits, albeit roundaboutly [08:00]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell bagels7 can i use a credit card << no but he does accept payment in tits, albeit roundaboutly [08:01]
gribble The operation succeeded. [08:01]
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ben_vulpes ah hilarious [08:10]
ben_vulpes the RT iPhone app is a million times better than the WSJ's [08:10]
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ben_vulpes ditto for al jazeera [08:14]
decimation I tried to use the deutsche welle app once, it crashed my phone [08:15]
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Vexual I was just saying, when you're emailing your local member of parliment, realise that it might not be he that reads it, and know what you're selling [08:32]
ben_vulpes bagels7: the beatings were way worse than any bdsm "master" i had <<< lol same << lol wait, bagels7 is into bdsm ? << the funny thing here is that *cazalla* is XD [08:33]
cazalla am not [08:34]
Vexual senate comittee starts tommorrow [08:35]
ben_vulpes lady doth etc etc [08:35]
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Vexual free rabbits [08:38]
ben_vulpes i'll pay for some rabbit stew [08:39]
Vexual ^ ditto [08:40]
Vexual [08:41]
Vexual i'd roast it up with some oranges [08:45]
Vexual sweet meat [08:46]
Vexual ive been vego for a while [08:47]
Vexual i'd eat a galah [08:47]
cazalla Vexual, ya mate zhenya fucked up [08:48]
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assbot Digital BTC Lose By Mistake | ... ( ) [08:48]
Vexual who now? [08:48]
cazalla i've dealt with the auDA fuck heads before, tried to take mah domains off me [08:48]
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Vexual hes not a mate or an associate [08:49]
cazalla i emerged victorious! [08:49]
cazalla Vexual, yeah yeah :P it was a joke [08:49]
Vexual i read the anual report tho [08:50]
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Vexual it's not his main business [08:51]
Vexual although the model is quite nice [08:52]
Vexual his bitcoin consulting fees were higher than his directors renumeration [08:55]
Vexual they made some good moves [08:55]
Vexual but theres still this interface between the bitcoin pace and the asx or whatever [08:57]
Vexual Yo can watch tmz and dcc, and that melbourne thing that never floated [08:58]
cazalla bitcoin group? that guy who is trying to float got social engineered lol and lost like 100 btc and he wants to run a company when he is so stupid to click emails [08:58]
Vexual really? [08:59]
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Vexual i thought they were supposed to float a few weeks back? [08:59]
Vexual what form you do put in when you fail like that? [09:00]
cazalla nah, postponed he says [09:00]
cazalla medibank floated today [09:00]
cazalla another telstra scam by the looks of it, price is already under IPO on day one [09:00]
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cazalla !up Vexual [09:02]
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Vexual anyway zt doesn't mean zou tung anymore, this guy could buy his debt like me buying a cornetto [09:02]
cazalla i wonder if zt will just buy back the domain from new owner [09:03]
Vexual he might just ask nicely [09:04]
cazalla nah, new owner will prob want a pay day [09:05]
Vexual he might just get it [09:08]
Vexual i don't think zt needs it tho [09:08]
Vexual leaving 36k on the table might be a thing [09:10]
cazalla well, he bought it for digital BTC, so technically the company owns it, or did, not him [09:10]
cazalla so now he has to go to shareholders and tell them, at least i assume so [09:10]
Vexual yeah, ive read the annual [09:11]
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Vexual it's obviously an oversight [09:12]
cazalla on his part yes but common way to get domains in .au [09:13]
cazalla auDA won't force new owner to return simply because of a mistake [09:13]
Vexual dog businnes [09:13]
Vexual but if you're not using it... eh [09:14]
cazalla few times people have taken it outside of auDA and to court though, ZT could do that or simply buy it back which i bet is likely to happen [09:14]
Vexual well h ecould verily claim he is [09:14]
cazalla Vexual, perhaps new owner just uses it for email, there is no criteria stating he has to have a webpage [09:14]
Vexual im sure it will all sort out in the wash [09:15]
cazalla can claim, must prove [09:15]
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Vexual anyway, that cunt can just hop n his aero and take a few more bitmain to iceland [09:17]
Vexual wot dhl? [09:17]
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Vexual id guess he cares more about mining his own tx's than a domain name [09:21]
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Vexual i tell you wot, id consult for zt [10:11]
Vexual if he wasnt so scary [10:12]
Vexual if hes worth a mil pa id be 200k [10:14]
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Vexual but with a loss like that, id recommend less [10:15]
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Vexual here we go, it;s 20yearmoney to tell u sabout growth [10:17]
Vexual Jou Ma Se poes in a fish paste jar. [10:21]
Vexual [10:22]
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mircea_popescu yeah Jim has a point << it was actually one Bill Frezza. jad just reprinted it. [11:28]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: I have no philosophical objection to burning gas <<< sure, but if you're on a barge you can't conceivably drill for oil. so ethanol's left. [11:28]
mircea_popescu (moreover my point was that growing shit is taking care of the small problem, most of your energetic needs aren't "what to eat") [11:28]
mircea_popescu and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter. << this exists in point of fact? <<< not quite, no. [11:29]
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mircea_popescu !up orkaa [11:32]
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cazalla bitcoin price after last years black friday sale? [11:36]
cazalla drop i mean [11:36]
cazalla ah never mind, went to moon soon after [11:37]
mircea_popescu by now "price" as reported by "exchanges" is pretty much a random value. [11:38]
mircea_popescu all the scams with "margin" and 90% fake trade volume get to report a "price". [11:39]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, yes but i would prefer that random value be on the lower side either tmw or after black friday [11:40]
mircea_popescu lol [11:40]
cazalla not usually something i worry about but i am sure there will be a long line of people handing over coins for useless shit on black friday [11:41]
mircea_popescu i have my doubts. [11:42]
cazalla namecheap 99c .com sounds ok though [11:43]
mircea_popescu i guess [11:45]
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cazalla looks like bitcoin conferences are moving onto blockchain conferences now lol sponsored by ethereum [12:46]
assbot Latitude 19.3N | INTERNATIONAL BLOCK CHAIN | January 2O,21,22 2015 ... ( ) [12:47]
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asciilifeform adlai: because that is the language in which fundamental research in computing continued, while in the west - died in 1950s. [21:45]
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adlai madness, blasphemy. all research must be conducted and documented in english! [21:46]
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mircea_popescu o.O [21:49]
mircea_popescu outside of biochemistry and perhaps some aeronautics, i struggle to think of a field where research is done in english [21:50]
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cazalla fluffypony: Jurassic World trailer is out <<< i could not be more disappointed [21:52]
fluffypony cazalla: it just looks like a rehash of the first movie but with better CGI [21:52]
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mircea_popescu We present an efficient method to deanonymize Bitcoin users, which allows to link user pseudonyms to the IP addresses where the transactions are generated. Our techniques work for the most common and the most challenging scenario when users are behind NATs or firewalls of their ISPs. They allow to link transactions of a user behind a NAT and to distinguish connections and transactions of different users behind the same [21:53]
mircea_popescu NAT. We also show that a natural countermeasure of using Tor or other anonymity services can be cut-off by abusing anti-DoS countermeasures of the bitcoin network. Our attacks require only a few machines and have been experimentally verified. We propose several countermeasures to mitigate these new attacks. [21:53]
mircea_popescu anyone bother actually read the pdf accompanying these tall claims ? [21:53]
cazalla fluffypony, the new male lead is no ian malcolm either [21:54]
adlai ( ) [21:54]
fluffypony yerp [21:54]
assbot ... ( ) [21:54]
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cazalla BingoBoingo, hopefully it gets more traction in aus IT press, they love stuff stories like this [21:56]
mircea_popescu "a method for revealing IP addresses of Bitcoin wallet owners with success rate between 11\% and 60\%." ugh. my interest died. [21:56]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: My take on it is if you connect to enough nodes, you can probably tell which one prodcasted a transaction first, sometimes. [21:58]
mircea_popescu so ? [21:58]
BingoBoingo Amazing the rather abvious shit people pass off as "research" [21:59]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [21:59]
mircea_popescu let me guess, 11 to 60% of times, where 40% is arbitrarily defined as equal to "those cases where users use private connect lists" [21:59]
mircea_popescu derpity derp. [21:59]
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mircea_popescu in the same line, here's this extraspecial pair of glasses which removes clothes off women [22:01]
mircea_popescu success rate ? about 11 to 60% of cases where woman splays herself naked on display. [22:01]
mircea_popescu le win. [22:01]
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