Forum logs for 25 Mar 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mjr_	going on about 13% of the company defining its true value	[00:00]
mjr_	is silly	[00:00]
jurov	evoorhees indicated maybe 10-30% being held by other investors	[00:00]
thestringpuller	;;bc,24hrprc	[00:00]
gribble	Error: "bc,24hrprc" is not a valid command.	[00:00]
mjr_	think its at least 2 others	[00:00]
mjr_	3 total	[00:00]
mjr_	that make up 87% and he has said he doesn't have a majority i believe	[00:00]
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mjr_	i personally am expecting some news from sdice at some point in the next few months...they have been quiet for quite a while	[00:01]
mjr_	diff is i expect some good news	[00:02]
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mjr_	but that is pure speculation on my part	[00:02]
mjr_	Bugpowder: i should have been scooping up some calls during the lows	[00:03]
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mjr_	Bugpowder: i typically do the same thing. at the money calls, hold till end of month...haven't had an option expire worthless yet	[00:03]
mjr_	and in fact made about 300% this month, though i exercised early at 71	[00:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3311 BTC [-]	[00:04]
ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157789.msg1669605#msg1669605 scam?	[00:04]
Lyspooner	blockchain selling coinbase	[00:05]
jurov	from piuk? i think not	[00:05]
ThickAsThieves	i thought i had seen his name as trustworthy, but was unaware coinbase was for sale	[00:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 6 @ 0.0099 = 0.0594 BTC [+]	[00:06]
mjr_	coinbase?	[00:06]
mjr_	the company out of san fran?	[00:06]
mjr_	they had 600k seed round	[00:06]
mjr_	didn't think it was from blockchain	[00:06]
ThickAsThieves	is that one of the sites everyone hates now?	[00:06]
mjr_	well...	[00:06]
mjr_	they obviously can't keep up with the demand	[00:07]
mjr_	so there is bound to be friction	[00:07]
jurov	both coinbase and coinlab are reviled	[00:07]
mjr_	don't leave gox out	[00:07]
mjr_	though people still use them	[00:07]
mjr_	not voting with their feet yet	[00:07]
Lyspooner	it's tough to be in a queue to buy bitcoins and see the amount of bitcoins you can buy halved	[00:07]
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mjr_	amazing that anyone manages to get coins with how much the companies have fucked up in managing expectations	[00:08]
mjr_	yep i'll say	[00:08]
Lyspooner	piuk wouldn't be selling unless there were more problems than queuing	[00:08]
mjr_	so these june diff futures	[00:08]
mjr_	ooh	[00:09]
mjr_	this is a real pe deal	[00:09]
mjr_	anyone get details at all?	[00:09]
jurov	mjr_ were you around when i explained yest?	[00:09]
mjr_	rough pricing? denomination of payment?	[00:09]
mjr_	well...he is selling equity in a us company	[00:10]
mjr_	the shares you get will be denominated in dollars	[00:10]
mjr_	jurov: i had not seen, explained what?	[00:11]
jurov	the problem with idiffs	[00:11]
jurov	on mpex	[00:11]
mjr_	that they would need to triple the difficulty for me to break even?	[00:11]
mjr_	buying at that ask at least	[00:11]
jurov	not that. that they can combust spontaneously befre difficulty even gets to 25 million	[00:12]
mjr_	hows that?	[00:12]
jurov	collateral is 2.9 of something. or 2.9*2.9 of december something	[00:12]
jurov	no one is sure what the something is	[00:13]
mjr_	the difficulty at that point i thought	[00:13]
mjr_	its a function of the difficulty as of the last futures contract known	[00:13]
jurov	well, do the maffs yourself then	[00:13]
jurov	;;calc 4.8*2.9	[00:14]
gribble	13.92	[00:14]
jurov	for example for idiff created when diff was 4.8m	[00:15]
mjr_	no doesn't work like that	[00:15]
Lyspooner	another matonis forbes piece out: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2013/03/24/cyprus-goes-cashless-the-hard-way/	[00:15]
mjr_	no your right	[00:15]
mjr_	sorry	[00:15]
mjr_	going off of march	[00:15]
mjr_	not off of january	[00:15]
mjr_	yeah so 13.92 * 2.9	[00:16]
mjr_	;;calc 13.92 * 2.9	[00:16]
gribble	40.368	[00:16]
mjr_	so you need to have up 40 million satoshi or 4 btc i think for each contract	[00:16]
mjr_	for sept	[00:17]
mjr_	for june only 1.4 btc	[00:17]
jurov	eee 40m is 0.4	[00:17]
mjr_	but you'll be autoliquidated in case of collateral being exceeded	[00:18]
mjr_	oops, moved the decimal	[00:18]
mjr_	so i don't see the problem	[00:18]
mjr_	you could be forcibly liquidated	[00:18]
mjr_	but at a profit to you of 2.9x i think	[00:18]
mjr_	for the person forcibly liquidated at least	[00:19]
mjr_	with the seller losing his collateral	[00:19]
jurov	let's start from the begin. you buy idiff.jun at 0.2499	[00:19]
mjr_	ok	[00:19]
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jurov	and get autoliquidated at 15million = you get 0.15	[00:19]
mjr_	do both sides	[00:20]
jurov	that's quite a pe , lol	[00:20]
mjr_	ah ok...hold on	[00:20]
mjr_	collateral is....013?	[00:20]
jurov	maybe 0.13 or maybe more, depending on when the idiffs were created.	[00:21]
jurov	0.13 is worst case	[00:21]
mjr_	thought it went off the last close	[00:21]
mjr_	quarterly	[00:21]
mjr_	did not know it changed intraquarter	[00:21]
mjr_	ah ok i see	[00:21]
mjr_	so you are saying that the current ask is ridiculous...no one should buy it	[00:21]
jurov	yes i think it comes form last close, i would be thankful if you enumerated all the options	[00:22]
mjr_	fair enough	[00:22]
jurov	but i think it won't be worth it in any case	[00:22]
mjr_	yes true	[00:22]
mjr_	but then again no one is forcing you to buy at that price	[00:22]
mjr_	last sale was .08	[00:22]
mjr_	well within a profitable range	[00:22]
mjr_	roughly double in fact	[00:22]
Bowjob	yawn	[00:22]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[00:22]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 71.90999, Best ask: 71.91965, Bid-ask spread: 0.00966, Last trade: 71.91000, 24 hour volume: 40908.12335116, 24 hour low: 62.70000, 24 hour high: 72.49999, 24 hour vwap: 68.36786	[00:22]
Bowjob	Mhm	[00:23]
jurov	ofc, nobody forces me since i made my own: https://bitfunder.com/asset/CoinBr.iDiff-E	[00:23]
jurov	hate to do commercial plugs but	[00:23]
mjr_	lol :)	[00:23]
mjr_	i think its great	[00:23]
jurov	that one has known collateral and shorter maturity	[00:24]
mjr_	so caveat emptor market orders may not even have chance at profit	[00:24]
jurov	yes	[00:25]
mjr_	so at .08 they look like a bargain for june	[00:25]
jurov	lol i bought some at 0.035 back in january... someone made an erroneous order	[00:26]
jurov	but was too ashamed to admit since	[00:26]
mjr_	fat finger lol	[00:26]
mjr_	nice trade :)	[00:26]
jurov	when they do autocombust, i'll report	[00:26]
mjr_	well, luckily their possible losses are known	[00:27]
mjr_	looking forward to april options	[00:27]
mjr_	and june	[00:27]
mjr_	going to try and sell some puts to buy calls	[00:28]
mjr_	dude, watching barings go under is kinda excruciating but this movie is great	[00:32]
mjr_	like they were epic...british bank selling louisiana to the US for France WHILE france and britain were at war	[00:33]
mjr_	largest land deal in history up to that point	[00:33]
Bugpowder	mjr_: The depost on the puts is large	[00:34]
Bugpowder	also, nobody is selling for .08, just buying.	[00:34]
mjr_	Bugpowder: how is that possible	[00:34]
Bugpowder	if you want some at .249 I'm selling	[00:35]
mjr_	who do they buy from?	[00:35]
Bugpowder	someone sold to their bid	[00:35]
jurov	Bugpowder, what does your IMMCover say?	[00:35]
mjr_	ok...so someone sold around .08	[00:35]
Bugpowder	jurov, where is that?	[00:35]
jurov	in statjson output	[00:35]
Bugpowder	mine were created a long time ago	[00:35]
Bugpowder	So much more than 2.9x current diff	[00:35]
mjr_	i was saying that i would simply place limit orders at the price i wanted and get filled or no	[00:35]
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mjr_	wish i could calc how many puts per btc right now	[00:36]
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jurov	bugpowder i think the only way you can sell the idiffs is to show proof they are well covered :)	[00:37]
Bugpowder	yah, it sucks	[00:37]
Bugpowder	;;calc 19.84/70	[00:38]
gribble	0.283428571429	[00:38]
Bugpowder	thats the deposit per contract	[00:38]
Bugpowder	ok, I will lower my price a bit :)	[00:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.83799 = 4.19 BTC [-]	[00:40]
jurov	i suppose i just confirmed that Jurov is a big meanie head	[00:40]
mjr_	is this at 70 strike?	[00:41]
jurov	what?	[00:41]
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mjr_	Bugpowder: that is the deposit on a 70 btc put?	[00:43]
mjr_	;;calc 19.84/70	[00:43]
mjr_	<@gribble> 0.283428571429	[00:43]
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jurov	no, it's on idiff.jun	[00:44]
jurov	bugpowder is selling	[00:44]
mjr_	oh ok	[00:44]
mjr_	what is the collateral requirement for a 70 put	[00:45]
jurov	;;bc,24hprc	[00:46]
gribble	68.26	[00:46]
jurov	;;calc 70/68	[00:46]
gribble	1.02941176471	[00:46]
jurov	something more than that	[00:46]
Bugpowder	its more than that	[00:46]
Bugpowder	yeha	[00:46]
Bugpowder	probably around 90	[00:46]
Bugpowder	if you want calls, buy calls	[00:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.004004 = 8.008 BTC [-]	[00:47]
mjr_	90?	[00:47]
Bugpowder	around there	[00:47]
Bugpowder	The formula is not known	[00:47]
mjr_	90 btc per put?	[00:47]
Bugpowder	no about 1.2 per put	[00:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 352 @ 0.004 = 1.408 BTC [-]	[00:47]
Bugpowder	create a single put and find out.	[00:48]
Bugpowder	report back	[00:48]
Bugpowder	calls are always 1BTC	[00:48]
Bugpowder	Puts are always more	[00:48]
Bugpowder	than 1 BTC	[00:48]
mjr_	thats not ture	[00:48]
mjr_	true	[00:48]
mjr_	it is possible to create multiple puts for 1 btc	[00:49]
mjr_	it depends on strike	[00:49]
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mjr_	the only thing we know is that puts are a function of strike so you could get multiple puts per btc or fewer than 1 puts per btc	[00:49]
mjr_	at least that is how it was explained to me...i mean who needs more than a 1 btc for a put struck at $1?	[00:50]
jurov	my calculation was as per the faq, but there's some padding.	[00:50]
mjr_	now that put would be more than likely worthless to everyone	[00:51]
mjr_	but if you figure that's one end of the spectrum	[00:51]
mjr_	a put at $120 or so would be the other side (not sure max strike atm)	[00:51]
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jurov	max strike is 75 atm, planned to be 200	[00:54]
mjr_	ah cool	[00:54]
mjr_	puts are tough	[00:57]
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Bugpowder	mjr_: The minimum is 1 BTC. Any strike will go to infinite BTC value if BTC falls to $0.	[00:59]
Bugpowder	the 2% creation fee pays for 'insurance' on that possibility	[00:59]
Bugpowder	obviously if BTC goes to zero, you could just buy infinte BTC to pay the debt.	[01:00]
jurov	that's quite a philosophical exercise, since there will be only 21M BTC ever.	[01:03]
jurov	such debt would prolly be better repaid with pizza	[01:04]
jurov	:)	[01:04]
kakobrekla	lol	[01:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.81 = 4.86 BTC [-]	[01:06]
Namworld	If Bitcoin was to permanently become worthless, I'd gladly accept a pizza instead =/	[01:07]
mjr_	Each PUT requires an amount of collateral equal to strike / spot BTC .	[01:08]
mjr_	using MKOPT	[01:08]
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jurov	yes, but there's some additional secret sauce	[01:08]
mjr_	is that not for split?	[01:08]
mjr_	split doesn't tell you what margin requirements are exactly	[01:09]
jurov	according to my understanding, split jusr divides provided amount into half	[01:09]
mjr_	only that you will get a certain number of puts based on the strike/current	[01:09]
jurov	and for puts it uses same formula as mkopt	[01:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.8 = 1.6 BTC [-]	[01:09]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.8 = 2.4 BTC [-]	[01:09]
mjr_	but the MKOPT seemed straightforward	[01:09]
mjr_	ah ok	[01:09]
smickles	;;rate [ident Namworld] 1	[01:10]
smickles	gribble?	[01:10]
smickles	;;rate Namworld 1	[01:10]
smickles	D:	[01:10]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Namworld has been recorded.	[01:10]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Namworld has changed from 1 to 1.	[01:10]
smickles	oh, lag	[01:11]
jurov	;;gribblelag	[01:11]
gribble	Error: "gribblelag" is not a valid command.	[01:11]
smickles	;;latency	[01:11]
gribble	0.10 seconds.	[01:11]
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smickles	;)	[01:11]
jurov	ah so :)	[01:11]
jurov	;;goxlag	[01:11]
gribble	0 seconds	[01:11]
jurov	urmom	[01:11]
jurov	;;ticker	[01:12]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 71.20001, Best ask: 71.85100, Bid-ask spread: 0.65099, Last trade: 71.20001, 24 hour volume: 40755.29045224, 24 hour low: 62.70000, 24 hour high: 72.49999, 24 hour vwap: 68.61685	[01:12]
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jurov	is the api back up? or nanotube updated?	[01:12]
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jurov	https://data.mtgox.com/api/2/BTCUSD/money/ticker is working	[01:13]
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jurov	and it's at 72.4999, everyone fasten the seat belt	[01:14]
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taub	can someone explain the wall theory nonsense to me?	[01:23]
taub	so many stupid conspiracy theories on the forum	[01:23]
taub	WALLMAKERS	[01:23]
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mjr_	lol	[01:24]
mjr_	who would report gribble lag?	[01:24]
mjr_	that was such a sad movie	[01:24]
mjr_	the jacket he wore sold for 21,000X what barings was sold to ING for	[01:24]
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mjr_	if that isn't fucked up, i don't know what is	[01:24]
cadsII	taub: my understanding is that the wall is a large amount of sell orders that were put on the upper margin by bears.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	taub not much to explain	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	forum consists of posts. posts have to be made.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	so they'll be made.	[01:24]
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smickles	woah, netsplit	[01:25]
cadsII	taub: link me?	[01:25]
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taub	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85687.msg1668250#msg1668250 posts like these	[01:25]
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taub	yea cadsII, but people think because bitcoin has great longterm potential that there wont be any dips or something heh	[01:26]
taub	eh stupid people will be stupid	[01:27]
mjr_	yep just a bunch of resting orders on a book at a certain price	[01:27]
mjr_	seems like people forget about the old cancel button far too often	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85687.msg1668521#msg1668521	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	lmao that guy is funnaty	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	the forum. it delivers.	[01:28]
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mircea_popescu	783 pages ?!	[01:29]
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mircea_popescu	;;get info tradefortress	[01:30]
gribble	Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	;;getinfo tradefortress	[01:30]
gribble	Error: "getinfo" is not a valid command.	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	sigh	[01:30]
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mjr_	i wonder how many short positions there really are	[01:31]
mjr_	i know of one place where you can short	[01:31]
mjr_	and i don't think their volume is a huge percentage	[01:31]
dub	;;gpg info tradefortress	[01:31]
gribble	User 'TradeFortress', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1xw6QFuj3jvQ1spfT9H5kqitaByeJjSRB, registered on Sun Sep 23 04:48:53 2012. http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=TradeFortress . Currently not authenticated.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	ty!	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ you mean on bitcoin ?	[01:33]
dub	en pee	[01:33]
mjr_	its funny though	[01:33]
mjr_	because all those people who think that walls are conspiracies	[01:33]
mjr_	don't realize that the wallmakers have all the risk	[01:33]
mjr_	or should i say most	[01:33]
mjr_	price manipulators are usually fighting the market	[01:33]
mjr_	trying to maintain prices buy support buying or what have you	[01:33]
mjr_	or on the flip side trying to keep price low while waiting for funds to clear (stupidest theory)	[01:33]
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mjr_	the bigger the market the harder to control	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	the entire manipulation thing is kind of nonsense.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	but since peiople's education consists mostly of films and novels	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	and conspiracy is the cheapest plot device	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	people's education consists mostly of conspiracy	[01:34]
taub	hah :D	[01:34]
jurov	still, i wouldn't rule out somethink like goxapi backdoor	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	jurov sure.	[01:34]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157519.0 << check this one out. the 0.015 btc scammor.	[01:34]
arij	0.015 :/	[01:35]
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taub	lol	[01:35]
mjr_	and with the dearth of margin (5 x 1 is good in btc trading...300 x 1 is easy in forex) you can't put up the imposing walls that make people sit back	[01:35]
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arij	where can you trade btc on a margin?	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	on mpex lol.	[01:36]
taub	theres this one site but it has high fees	[01:36]
Namworld	0.015 affords you a palace in shantytown	[01:36]
taub	mpex?	[01:36]
Namworld	Hey arij	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	except those don't get mixed into the main market info by design	[01:36]
arij	hey nam	[01:36]
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taub	oh that:)	[01:37]
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mircea_popescu	but anyway, re shorts : there were at least 20k btc total in short positions at a few points this month	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	and last month prolly more	[01:39]
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Josh_Rossi	USD Current rate (APY): 328.63%	[01:41]
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mircea_popescu	bitfinex ?	[01:41]
Josh_Rossi	7 510.0% 1486.84 2	[01:41]
Josh_Rossi	yes	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[01:41]
Josh_Rossi	the second one is a 7 day loan at 510%	[01:42]
Josh_Rossi	that is a standing offer	[01:42]
Josh_Rossi	~1500 USD requested at that rate	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	hahaah get a load of this :	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	;;gpg info MagicalTux	[01:42]
gribble	User 'MagicalTux', with keyid 1C797C313C89C25F, fingerprint 6EF3EC1D36EE80D651E8A7991C797C313C89C25F, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun Mar 6 22:43:15 2011. http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=MagicalTux . Currently not authenticated.	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	;;getrating MagicalTux	[01:43]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User MagicalTux, rated since Mon Dec 20 10:21:21 2010. Cumulative rating 116, from 37 total ratings. Received ratings: 37 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 14 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=MagicalTux	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	;;getrating mircea_popescu	[01:43]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User mircea_popescu, rated since Fri Jul 22 08:04:26 2011. Cumulative rating 116, from 60 total ratings. Received ratings: 55 positive, 5 negative. Sent ratings: 62 positive, 13 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu	[01:43]
Josh_Rossi	nice rating	[01:44]
Josh_Rossi	;;getrating Josh_Rossi	[01:44]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User Josh_Rossi, rated since Sat Mar 9 16:02:17 2013. Cumulative rating 1, from 1 total ratings. Received ratings: 1 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 0 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Josh_Rossi	[01:44]
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MJRIII	thats better...	[01:45]
jurov	mircea_popescu: deposits, please?	[01:45]
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MJRIII	bitfloor last is 73.50	[01:46]
MJRIII	once its up around $100 i can't wait to just trade for fun	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	jurov thy wish is my command.	[01:47]
MJRIII	rebate is really nice at that price	[01:47]
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jurov	thx	[01:50]
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mircea_popescu	smickles my npd goes as such : yest told waitress she has a beautiful smile and it's a pleasure to talk to her which made her smile compulsively like an idiot every time she saw me and then gave her a nice tip. today cooked pasta and had jasmine tea (4 cups). so you tell me.	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	and also jasmine tea is the best tea there is.	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	also this chatlog is a riot lol. clockbluffers.	[01:53]
MJRIII	did you watch the tiberiusiv section?	[01:54]
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mircea_popescu	im reading through iot	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	where it=log	[01:55]
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MJR_III	it tends to repeat itself as tiberiusiv keeps circling back to his old flawed points	[01:55]
MJR_III	smickles really cut the argument down to its core though, so good job to him	[01:56]
Bugpowder	tiberisuiv is a little puppy, very excited about all these new ideas bitcoin has put in his head.	[01:56]
jurov	wait till mircea comes to what tibby thinks about his sdice opinion	[01:56]
MJR_III	i know yeah	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	for the record tho : the dividend-based corp valuation model is flawed.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	i understand the value of dividends in decreasing risk	[01:57]
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mircea_popescu	however, plenty of irl companies pay no dividends. hathaway paid no dividends.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	or whatever, paid 1 cent once in 197x	[01:58]
MJR_III	mircea_popescu: that was kakobrekla's point of view	[01:58]
dub	I like monkey paw green tea	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	and YES, buffett COULD wire himself all their capital in uganda and run off.	[01:58]
MJR_III	AAPL being the best example	[01:58]
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MJR_III	did not pay any dividends in steve jobs era IIRC	[01:58]
Bugpowder	dividends make sense if you have a strong income flow but not a good plan for applying that capital to company growth	[01:58]
smickles	i was a bit of a troll at some points MJR_III ;)	[01:59]
MJR_III	smickles: it was in that sense anti-troll	[01:59]
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mircea_popescu	Bugpowder exactly. which is why i see why the cavirtex ppl wouldn't really want to pay dividends.	[01:59]
MJR_III	because saying evoorhees runs sdice and bitinstant is patently false	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	i don't think that necessarily speaks against them	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	MJR_III iirc evoorhees was pr for bitinstant ?	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	im pretty sure shrem runs it	[02:00]
MJR_III	mircea_popescu: i agree...but i don't like having to sell a position to take profits	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	MJR_III that's also a point, yeah.	[02:00]
MJR_III	if i believe in the company i'd rather just buy and hold...but sometimes you need to take some profits to rebalance	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	well... here's the other side of that coin :	[02:00]
Bugpowder	fuck balance, buy calls	[02:00]
Bugpowder	:-P	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	the fact that stocks work as bonds (ie, they issue dividends)	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	makes the markets very illiquid	[02:00]
MJR_III	good point	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	or moreover, fractured : the big time holders who don't participate in price formation	[02:01]
MJR_III	i am in that boat now with sdice	[02:01]
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mircea_popescu	and the 1-10 btc holders who move the price 30 to 70 to 30 to 70	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	creating a general; impression of disorder	[02:01]
MJR_III	that is my biggest problem	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[02:01]
MJR_III	it fucks up my performance sheets	[02:01]
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MJR_III	and for no real reason	[02:01]
MJR_III	since volume is very low and spreads are wide	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	so in a very macro sense you are better off as a portofolio investor with the "have to sell ot realise" paradigm, as inconvenient as it is	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	because the alternative sucks more.	[02:02]
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MJR_III	but again...valuation is the key, that is basically what caused 2008 crises	[02:02]
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MJR_III	people not knowing what shit was worth	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	course corps like s.dice have no choice in the matter, as there's no practical way to deploy.	[02:02]
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mircea_popescu	but corps that have the choice...	[02:02]
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MJR_III	i was watching rogue trader today...they sold nick leesons trading floor jacket for 21,000 lb	[02:02]
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MJR_III	sold barings for 1 lb	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	they should have sold his jacket for shares	[02:03]
MJR_III	hehehe	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	not for fiat	[02:03]
MJR_III	actually they should have claimed that it was a liquidable asset	[02:03]
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MJR_III	and ING should have gotten it	[02:04]
MJR_III	i'm about to watch margin call...but that very word makes me feel ill	[02:04]
MJR_III	which is why i like bitcoin trading...i don't have margin calls to worry about	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	lol @ "unless there is legislation STOPPING you it is implicityly legal" "WRONG" part	[02:04]
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mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv who told you this ?	[02:04]
MJR_III	you will lol quite a bit	[02:05]
MJR_III	it gets worse from there	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, i don't get his numbers.	[02:05]
MJR_III	this is completely ignoring the matter of jurisdiction of said legislation	[02:05]
Bugpowder	;;bids 0	[02:05]
gribble	There are currently 40223789 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 7129667.659 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 97.4144 seconds	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	s.dice paid ~70k btc in a year and the average mkt cap past month is 500k	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	what 30% ?	[02:05]
Bugpowder	nice... Up from $6.2MM	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder kinda meaningless figure tho innit.	[02:06]
Bugpowder	not totally	[02:06]
Bugpowder	the is the lower bound of cash on hand at mtgox	[02:06]
MJR_III	in some ways it makes more sense to think of SDICE as a private equity stake	[02:06]
MJR_III	it is just getting started i feel	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	100 dollars deposited allows you an order of 10bn btc at 0.00000001 eacgh	[02:06]
Bugpowder	more useful would be total current deposts.	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[02:07]
Bugpowder	mircea_popescu: I am not interested in the BTC number, just the USD total	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	but they can't publish that as it'd tell a real sad story.	[02:07]
Bugpowder	asks IS worthless	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	oh i see, i misread. yeah.	[02:07]
MJR_III	did you see the number of tickets available?	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	yeah, that is something.	[02:07]
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Bugpowder	yes	[02:07]
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MJR_III	not available actually but in queue	[02:07]
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MJR_III	fucked up how much noise to signal there is from the biggest exchange	[02:08]
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mircea_popescu	"mjr: if satoshidice future was more certain, the price would reflect it, it doesnt." << well, this is fundamentally a broken argument.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	a restatement of the efficient market theory, which is broken even in fiat.	[02:08]
MJR_III	yep	[02:09]
MJR_III	he is a HUGE proponent of efficient market	[02:09]
smickles	Bugpowder: it's not cash on hand at gox	[02:09]
MJR_III	as you'll see...i told him if market was efficient it'd be broken	[02:09]
MJR_III	no trading ever	[02:09]
smickles	gox lets you place bids b/f you have cash in the account	[02:09]
smickles	they show in the book and only disappear when they get touched by an ask	[02:09]
MJR_III	perfect illiquidity	[02:09]
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mircea_popescu	smickles what ?!	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	they have the phantom liquidity model too now ?!	[02:10]
Bugpowder	no	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	wtf is it about bad ideas that makes them so irresistible to people.	[02:10]
dub	isn't dice price a reflection of random market killing acts by its issuer?	[02:10]
Bugpowder	they don't	[02:11]
Bugpowder	smickles is wrong	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	dub possibly.	[02:11]
MJR_III	Bugpowder proved that last night	[02:11]
MJR_III	dub: lol	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder don't they ?	[02:11]
Bugpowder	I tested it.	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	a ok. was about to blow up over here	[02:11]
MJR_III	the other orders only pop up when that one is canceled	[02:11]
Bugpowder	If you underfund your bids, your cheapest bids don't post to the market	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	so basically you can put it in, but it won't list it in the book ?	[02:12]
MJR_III	i think bugpowder said that they only show the closest to top of book?	[02:12]
Bugpowder	right	[02:12]
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mircea_popescu	pretty clever way to do it.	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	kills both cats.	[02:12]
MJR_III	what about both sides of book Bugpowder?	[02:12]
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MJR_III	for a market maker?	[02:12]
Bugpowder	Don't have coin at mtgox right now, but pretty sure you need to fund asks too for them to show	[02:13]
Bugpowder	I can test in a few days when I dump another batch at $97. :)	[02:13]
MJR_III	well that theory was busted for me...i guess their book is pretty accurate, as far as they actually have funds behind orders	[02:13]
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Bugpowder	right, but what we REALLY want to know is the shadow pool of funds not on the book.	[02:14]
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smickles	'tis true m'lrd	[02:14]
smickles	it's why people say X wall is fake	[02:14]
smickles	;;latency	[02:15]
gribble	0.25 seconds.	[02:15]
MJR_III	been a trading movie kind of day	[02:15]
Bugpowder	people say X wall is fake because they are fucking idiots.	[02:15]
MJR_III	glengarry glen ross and rogue trader...now margin call	[02:15]
MJR_III	well...	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	glengarry glen ross kicked ass.	[02:15]
MJR_III	hehehe	[02:15]
MJR_III	yeah	[02:15]
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MJR_III	coffee is for closers	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema glengarry glen ross	[02:15]
gribble	Sa invatam Texas Hold'em impreuna, teoria cartilor pe Trilema - Un ...: ; Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	dude google is so borkt.	[02:15]
Bugpowder	lol	[02:16]
Bugpowder	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kZg_ALxEz0	[02:16]
dub	I was trying to think of a way that gox can be gamed through its shithouse engine	[02:16]
MJR_III	spammy orders	[02:16]
dub	you could basically stop trading with a handfull of accounts	[02:16]
Bugpowder	third prize is... your fired!	[02:16]
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MJR_III	doubt they have toxic flow preventers	[02:16]
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MJR_III	you could use the api to send many orders at tiny amounts	[02:17]
MJR_III	their minimum	[02:17]
MJR_III	filling their queues	[02:17]
dub	if you could work out how to reliably control timing..	[02:17]
Bugpowder	to some extent bots already do that	[02:17]
MJR_III	it is almost certain that they are doing reads on an HDD	[02:17]
MJR_III	well bots do it intentionally to try to place orders	[02:17]
Bugpowder	I would imagine they are using SSDs.	[02:17]
MJR_III	you could do it far outside the money	[02:17]
MJR_III	you wo9uld imagine wrong i think	[02:17]
Bugpowder	and that the whole book is kept in RAM	[02:17]
MJR_III	2 minutes lag with an ssd?	[02:17]
MJR_III	lol, i wish	[02:18]
MJR_III	no way its that slow if that were the case	[02:18]
MJR_III	DB programming is one of the biggest areas where this space needs help	[02:18]
Bugpowder	They are not hitting the disk.	[02:18]
MJR_III	you are sure?	[02:18]
Bugpowder	nope	[02:18]
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Bugpowder	But the book isn't very big	[02:18]
MJR_III	how could they be so slow in RAM	[02:18]
MJR_III	even more reason they can't have it in ram	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	MJR_III because they run a webserver on the same machine	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	and when apache gets flooded it slows down	[02:19]
MJR_III	they list "improving the matching engine is one of our biggest projects right now"	[02:19]
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MJR_III	apache is not the matching engine...though that very may well exacerbate the problem	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	they're prolly going to move it on a separate machine seeing how i the "how mpex does it" article made the rounds	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	which thanks god already.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	MJR_III apache slows down the entire machine.	[02:20]
MJR_III	ah could be true i suppose	[02:20]
MJR_III	not a big fan of apache...its ok	[02:20]
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MJR_III	nor am i a fan of php	[02:21]
MJR_III	they should have gone nodejs, nginx, and mongodb	[02:21]
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smickles	< Bugpowder> smickles is wrong << i guess they finally gave that up, huh? (also, i'm laggin out like mad cats)	[02:21]
MJR_III	but mostly for the cool factor	[02:21]
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mircea_popescu	well... most webservers come prioritised out of the box	[02:24]
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dub	smicklescorp under ddos?	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	"Most open tickets have a resolution within 20 minutes. Remaining cases are when there is not enough information, or when issues are not simple user-specific issues (or linked to an outage)."	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	sez tux.	[02:25]
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smickles	dub: yeah, by the damn baidu bot	[02:26]
smickles	it hits me about 12 times a day	[02:26]
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MJR_III	btw... mircea_popescu did you see the Private Equity deal for CoinBase?	[02:28]
Bugpowder	mircea_popescu: They raised my withdrawl limit two hours after I emailed them	[02:28]
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jurov	interesting, bitcoin-central does accept unfunded asks too, but shows them in book with zero amount	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	MJR_III i have nod.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder that's cool.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	as far as i know you're the only person with a positive experience with them.	[02:30]
Bugpowder	yah, I was afraid it would be a PITA and I'd be behind 5500 accounts waiting verification	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	not discounting it, but it IS exceptional.	[02:30]
Bugpowder	I was already verified so it must have been easy	[02:30]
Bugpowder	so many reddit posts about how hard it is to buy bitcoins	[02:31]
MJR_III	lol, i am loving bitfinex	[02:31]
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MJR_III	put $170 in on the 19th...$175 today...	[02:31]
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MJR_III	crazy to see compound interest at work...usually its fractions of pennies	[02:32]
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Bugpowder	its really a system of haves and have nots. People with verified gox accounts that aren't scared by filling out a wire form or put off by paying a $30 fee, or have a bitcoins direct account... Those are the haves. Then there are the people that use coinbase or are sitting in the verification queue.	[02:33]
nanotube	jurov: i updated to use the new data.mtgox	[02:33]
Bugpowder	Bitcoin is just such a stunning example of how profitable it can be to be an early adopter of something, on some many levels.	[02:33]
Bugpowder	so many	[02:34]
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jurov	can i resell my verified acct somehow?	[02:34]
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jurov	or would it be suspicious that guy from yurp suddenly gets bunch of ach,dwolla and such stuff?	[02:35]
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mircea_popescu	Bugpowder then there's the people with 50k waiting for 3 months for the "developers" to look into it	[02:37]
smickles	http://blog.smickles.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2013/03/scary-batman-double-top.jpg	[02:37]
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Bugpowder	mircea_popescu: Did they wire in over $10k at a time?	[02:37]
jurov	let's finish the drawin together	[02:38]
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mircea_popescu	Bugpowder long time user guy, im sure he didn't step into anything obvious.	[02:38]
Bugpowder	sux. that's like 0.65 Teslas.	[02:39]
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mircea_popescu	"MagicalTux already explained that he is writing a entirely new site that is decent and not a stupid magic the gathering trading script. "	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20572.msg263943#msg263943	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	june 2011.	[02:40]
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Bugpowder	So... On wednesday, thursday and friday of last week, 10,000-20,000 BTC buys went off between 15:00-15:30 GMT each day. So, we may be thru $75 within the next 15 hours.	[02:43]
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dub	;;market buy 20000	[02:47]
gribble	A market order to buy 20000 bitcoins right now would take 1477023.0224 USD and would take the last price up to 75.1364 USD, resulting in an average price of 73.8512 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 0.0011 seconds	[02:47]
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Bugpowder	correction TuesWedsThurs	[02:48]
MJR_III	mircea_popescu: did you see the car i want to get once bitcoins make it possible lol	[02:48]
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MJR_III	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z39jXZfCpf0	[02:49]
MJR_III	such a beast	[02:49]
MJR_III	its nice to dream	[02:49]
MJR_III	but anyways...this PE deal could be good i think	[02:49]
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MJR_III	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157789.msg1669605#msg1669605	[02:50]
MJR_III	could probably use some activist investors lol	[02:50]
MJR_III	fix whatever stupid model they are using	[02:50]
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mircea_popescu	what's with everyonebuying cars already	[02:51]
dub	I was gonna dismiss that based on its european decent but its actually pretty badass	[02:51]
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mircea_popescu	"Hey All I Am a long time miner with a low budget. My 1 Gh/s isnt cutting it anymore, or has it for a long time. I need our Help to Secure a Batch #3 Avalon. I Have A Listing Up On BTCJam"	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	gotta love these.	[02:52]
MJR_III	i haven't gotten one yet	[02:53]
MJR_III	but maybe at $1000 per btc	[02:53]
MJR_III	basically military model	[02:53]
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MJR_III	250 btc then i think...	[02:53]
MJR_III	but that was not the cool link...what would you price that block of coinbase shares at?	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	i don't see that coinbase is worth money.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	i would sell.	[02:56]
MJR_III	well...	[02:56]
MJR_III	while i agree coinbase is fucking up their opportunity	[02:56]
MJR_III	that just changes the price	[02:56]
MJR_III	they have users	[02:57]
MJR_III	and could turn around	[02:57]
MJR_III	in fact, i think that is not a good sign for them	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[02:57]
MJR_III	looking for liquidity options ON A FORUM	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	but you asked me.	[02:57]
MJR_III	not second market	[02:57]
MJR_III	not an otc thing, or not another internal investor	[02:57]
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tiberiusiv	if voorhees has 90% of sdice shares, what stops him from playing on his own site everytime he wants to dump more shares, in order to increase "profits" thereby introducing more motivated bidders to buy them	[02:58]
Bugpowder	mircea_popescu: A car is a functional object of desire that feels like it just might actually be in reach, even if you have only a few hundred coins.	[02:58]
Bugpowder	tiberiusiv: ffs	[02:58]
Bugpowder	read the trilemna	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv this is a recurring topic, http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-question-of-the-year-in-btc/	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	there's even a bounty out.	[02:59]
Bugpowder	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-question-of-the-year-in-btc/	[02:59]
tiberiusiv	thnx	[02:59]
Bugpowder	ya	[02:59]
Bugpowder	it is an interesting idea though	[02:59]
Bugpowder	(87%) now	[02:59]
Bugpowder	minus the mystery investors shares	[03:00]
tiberiusiv	if sdice had that level of profits why is mpex worth more then sdice?	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	omg i beat Bugpowder tyo the links once	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv also an amply discussed topic.	[03:02]
Bugpowder	we need a FAQ for bitcoin-asstes	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:02]
tiberiusiv	the article doesnt answer the question	[03:02]
tiberiusiv	simply you cant prove it	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	something like "read http://polimedia.us/trilema/category/mpex/ and then http://polimedia.us/trilema/category/bitcoin/". when you're done you can't look like a fool anymore.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv any field of human activity will have open questions.	[03:03]
tiberiusiv	ever watch boiler room.	[03:03]
MJR_III	yes	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	i haven't. is it worth it ?	[03:04]
tiberiusiv	bitcoin enables you to run boiler room scams all day long	[03:04]
Bugpowder	Also known as the bitcointalk forum	[03:04]
tiberiusiv	mircea: its more entertainment then anything	[03:04]
Bugpowder	yeah its a pretty decent movie	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	mkay, was looking for something.	[03:05]
Bugpowder	I cannot freaking wait to see the MPOE results for this month	[03:06]
Bugpowder	I suspect a disaster is brewing for the bondholders	[03:06]
tiberiusiv	well why cant mpex do the same thing?	[03:06]
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tiberiusiv	create bids to sell the 1bil shares too	[03:07]
Bugpowder	I assume this is what mircea_popescu is doing. Why else would S.MPOE be worth so much?	[03:07]
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tiberiusiv	lol	[03:07]
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tiberiusiv	mircea IS the market	[03:07]
MJR_III	well...think about this	[03:07]
Bugpowder	Not really though	[03:07]
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Bugpowder	People have deposited a LOT of coins into the recieving address	[03:08]
MJR_III	investing in a company that loses value in bitcoin (as long as its not too fast) just slows your rate of gain for now	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	dude, i have no idea. there's an old article discussing this, i'm no better.	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	one idea may be that s.mpoe shareholders can never make a loss.	[03:08]
Bugpowder	the coins need to go into some security	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	s.dice can.	[03:08]
tiberiusiv	bugpowder: you can send coins to yourself.	[03:08]
MJR_III	i have always wondered why you put bondholders before shareholders	[03:08]
MJR_III	which is fine, but just opposite	[03:09]
tiberiusiv	um every business does that	[03:09]
MJR_III	huh?	[03:09]
tiberiusiv	bondholders come before shareholders.	[03:09]
tiberiusiv	even in bankruptcy	[03:09]
MJR_III	to get PAID	[03:09]
MJR_III	not to take losses	[03:09]
tiberiusiv	what losses are the bondholders taking? he didnt default	[03:09]
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MJR_III	read the faq please	[03:10]
MJR_III	i'll paste it, but srsly	[03:10]
Bugpowder	there are many financial instruments that are concievable	[03:10]
tiberiusiv	he probably placed bondholders before shareholders since hes the largest shareholder	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	...	[03:10]
Bugpowder	one should read the contract, not the name.	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv srsly, read stuff. it's fun to read.	[03:11]
tiberiusiv	i did read your post, there was no answer about mr voorhees	[03:11]
tiberiusiv	fact is nobody knows.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	you are nao discussing a different topic tho	[03:11]
Bugpowder	tiberiusiv: correct	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	which is also documented at length	[03:11]
tiberiusiv	voorhees has massive incentive to manipulate sdice and get rich dumping stock	[03:11]
Bugpowder	nobody knows, and everyone knows nobody knows except those that do not yet know that everyone knows that nobody knows.	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	haha	[03:12]
tiberiusiv	you can easily put together $5-10mil	[03:12]
Bugpowder	but now you know	[03:12]
Bugpowder	and knowing is half the battle	[03:12]
tiberiusiv	lol bugpowder	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	how much is a 2 carat, sdlightly yellow, princess cut no impurities diamond worth ?	[03:12]
Bugpowder	what do you mean by slightly yellow?	[03:13]
MJR_III	(k)In the case where MPOE, after having paid the interest as detailed above as well as all costs and fees resulting from contracts purchases and executions will be found to have a shortfall, that shortfall will be applied to the capital of the bonds deposited that were accepted proportionally, so that each bond is reduced by the same ratio as the ratio between the shortfall and the	[03:13]
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MJR_III	calculated capital reserves requirement. Bonds that were not accepted as well as the unaccepted parts of partially accepted bonds are extempt from this reduction.	[03:13]
Bugpowder	$12k	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder HA!	[03:13]
Bugpowder	assuming its a J color, and lets say SI2	[03:13]
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mircea_popescu	diamonds are not scarce and debeers is just manipulating the price.	[03:13]
Bugpowder	yes I know that you know that	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	it's worth $45	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	lalala	[03:13]
Bugpowder	are you using a cost based pricing model instead of a price based costing model?	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	hehe	[03:14]
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mircea_popescu	just showing that speculative thought is not always economically relevant.	[03:14]
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mircea_popescu	as enjoyable the indulging of it may be.	[03:14]
Bugpowder	if the diamond cost $45 to dig out, you need to spend $2000 in ads to make it worth $12000	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	o, we're not considering the cost to dig it out	[03:15]
Bugpowder	cartel is pretty much broken now right?	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	we're armchair economists, so we get to pick our cost model.	[03:15]
MJR_III	i guess the overall point to take away is invest what you want and get the returns you can...try to learn the risks, but you will NEVER have a risk free investment and you will never have perfect information	[03:15]
Bugpowder	why haven't prices dropped?	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	we'll use a copper mining model for diamons.	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder actually... the russians found something like three tons under a lake.	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	and i mean that, like 54734897598347985739847 carats	[03:16]
Bugpowder	MJR_III: yeah, to the point of tiberiusiv, this is just one more datapoint for the risk matrix. Get more datapoints and connect the dots better then everyone else and you will make money in this bitcoin shit.	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	just like irl,	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	but with bits	[03:16]
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MJR_III	yep	[03:17]
MJR_III	efficient market is bullshit	[03:17]
MJR_III	you get what you can	[03:17]
MJR_III	try to know a little more than the next guy	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the "it's all just one great conspiracy" argument is never disprovable.	[03:17]
MJR_III	hehehe...what if aliens	[03:17]
tiberiusiv	at the end of the day, major players hold substantial bitcoins and need bids to dump them. bitcoin has worse wealth distribution then even fiat currency by a massive margin	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	it carries a little more apparent water in btc than irl because there's fewer people in btc	[03:17]
Bugpowder	mircea_popescu: and with competition that is significantly underpowered relative to irl finance.	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	but then again, we KNEW there's fewer people in btc at the onset.	[03:17]
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mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv how do you know this ?	[03:18]
tiberiusiv	just add up even the top 500 adresss which probably belong to 50 people.	[03:18]
Bugpowder	yeah, I actually doubt tiberiusiv statement is true	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	...	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	so what, add up some fact with some assumption ?	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	why haven't i thought about that! you mean this can prove ANYTHING ?	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	wow.	[03:18]
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Bugpowder	add up the top 50 people IRL net worth	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder i have no way of knowing. i'm one of the major holders and my addies aren't on the list.	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	what nao	[03:19]
tiberiusiv	bugpowder: none of the top 50 hold even 1% of oustanding dollars.	[03:19]
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Bugpowder	O?	[03:19]
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mircea_popescu	trivial to hold 1mn btc in 100k 10 btc addies.	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	and arguably much better safety too	[03:19]
tiberiusiv	yes exactly	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	(admitting someone cracks an address)	[03:20]
Bugpowder	Who owns Aramco	[03:20]
tiberiusiv	the top 500 adress's probably belong to 50 people	[03:20]
tiberiusiv	that doesnt even count the spread out individuals	[03:20]
error4733	?	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	is this where someone whips out a "the richest 50 famblies own 547834987593485 dollars" ?	[03:20]
tiberiusiv	the richest families dont own the money.	[03:20]
tiberiusiv	they own illiquid assets they can never sell	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	o ic.	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	this because fiat is broken	[03:21]
error4733	dont thinks big holder keep in big wallet, u made 100 address in a second	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	btc not being broken... we focus on that.	[03:21]
MJR_III	Think big, think positive, never show any sign of weakness. Always go for the throat. Buy low, sell high. Fear? That's the other guy's problem. Nothing you have ever experienced will prepare you for the absolute carnage you are about to witness. Super Bowl, World Series - they don't know what pressure is. In this building, it's either kill or be killed. You make no friends in the pits	[03:21]
MJR_III	and you take no prisoners. One minute you're up half a million in soybeans and the next, boom, your kids don't go to college and they've repossessed your Bentley. Are you with me?	[03:21]
MJR_III	lol	[03:21]
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mircea_popescu	such bs.	[03:21]
tiberiusiv	yea MJR im sure your selling low and high with your 25 btc's	[03:21]
tiberiusiv	you a player	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	why ? chix in the pits are some of the hottest sackpanthers you'll ever befriend	[03:22]
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Bugpowder	tiberiusiv: if you a baller why not flash some addresses up here	[03:24]
tiberiusiv	channels logged.	[03:24]
Bugpowder	so what?	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	lol. let the kid be.	[03:25]
tiberiusiv	make the cash without the flash	[03:25]
Bugpowder	what evidence do we have that you are a baller	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	he's taking the boy approach to learning, challenging stuff.	[03:25]
Bugpowder	you could just be pretending...	[03:25]
tiberiusiv	learning what? so far what ive seen in here is massive misunderstandings of markets	[03:25]
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mircea_popescu	yeah, that.	[03:25]
tiberiusiv	no understanding of liquidty, bid/asks spreads. confusion over the fact that a tiny group of bitcoiners has massive price influence.	[03:25]
-kloeri-	[Global Notice] Hi again. The network issues is caused by a DDoS attack and we're working with our sponsors to have it filtered. Depending on how bored the attacker is it could be a while before everything is back to normal however. Sorry about the stability issues caused by this.	[03:26]
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Bugpowder	that too	[03:26]
tiberiusiv	the major holders are all to happy to get coinlab to accept wallstreet bids.	[03:26]
Bugpowder	why wouldn't we be?	[03:26]
tiberiusiv	since they need HUGE bids to be able to effectively cashout	[03:26]
tiberiusiv	bugpowder sush you are small time	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if annoyed ddos person manages to take off freenode	[03:26]
tiberiusiv	you were crying over $4k lost in papergains	[03:26]
Bugpowder	??	[03:26]
Bugpowder	show me the log	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	anyone wanna bet on that ?	[03:27]
Bugpowder	I cry over ever missed bit cent.	[03:27]
MJR_III	tiberiusiv: it was a quote from trading spaces btw	[03:27]
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MJR_III	tiberiusiv: you usually sound like a person who has no real experience beyond a textbook	[03:28]
MJR_III	anyone who believes in the efficient market theorem sounds like a freshman economics major	[03:28]
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Bugpowder	tiberiusiv: here is why we wouldn't be... Coinlab is more likely to get hacked than to get wall street bids.	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	actually the more amusing part is this "coinlab wallstreet" business.	[03:31]
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mircea_popescu	hot damn!	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	this guy keeps being a half second ahead of me.	[03:31]
Bugpowder	that's why I'm making money off you	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	haha i see	[03:32]
Bugpowder	or at least off your bondholders	[03:32]
Bugpowder	you have cleverly firewalled the risk	[03:32]
tiberiusiv	well coinlab does seem like a joke	[03:32]
tiberiusiv	top 26 BTC adress's are about 10% of all BTC outstanding lol	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	do you mean coinbase or coinlab ?	[03:32]
Bugpowder	both	[03:33]
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Bugpowder	coinlab is a joke (for now), coinbase is a clusterfuck	[03:33]
tiberiusiv	when does coinlab officially open	[03:33]
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Bugpowder	coinlab does have the potential to become even more of a clusterfuck than coinbase	[03:33]
Bugpowder	tiberiusiv: nobody knows. They moved thier alpha date to 'real soon now' 2 weeks after they said it was opening.	[03:34]
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mircea_popescu	i would argue against such potential.	[03:34]
Bugpowder	heh	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	not because of them, obviously.	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	$mpexlag	[03:35]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: 0.143377065659 seconds	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[03:35]
Bugpowder	their 'partnership' with gox immediately raises thier potential beyond anything coinbase can fuck up	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	i am getting 6gbit for the record.	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	FUCK YOU MR DDOS MAN :D	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	mwahaha	[03:35]
dub	weaksauce	[03:36]
MJR_III	lol nice job mircea_popescu	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	everyone's like... snickering and shit.	[03:36]
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mircea_popescu	there's a lot of fun can be had with computers srsly.	[03:36]
MJR_III	fucking testament to the strength of bitcoin as an IDEA that it survives the shitty management that people throw at it	[03:36]
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mircea_popescu	haha now that's a point	[03:37]
MJR_III	and i am not talking even about EXECUTING WELL	[03:37]
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MJR_III	i am just talking about TALKING WELL	[03:37]
MJR_III	managing expectations	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	MJR_III you're new, do you know the genjix speech ?	[03:37]
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MJR_III	no	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	o boy.	[03:37]
MJR_III	and i am mjr_ so somewhat new	[03:37]
MJR_III	but we've talked before	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	there. talkingwell.	[03:38]
MJR_III	fuck...not sure where i left that cookie lol	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	lol so make another one	[03:39]
Bugpowder	someone should start pastebinning these posts	[03:40]
Bugpowder	cut off mircea_popescu's revenue stream	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	fu commie	[03:40]
Bugpowder	S.MPOEs bid support collapses	[03:40]
MJR_III	lol	[03:40]
Bugpowder	MPEx folds	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	i built it all on 0.1 cent article reads!	[03:40]
Bugpowder	bitcoin drops to 0.01	[03:40]
MJR_III	i was gonna ask how much actual revenue	[03:40]
dub	;;google anonymizer	[03:40]
MJR_III	could he possibly get	[03:40]
gribble	Anonymizer - Online Privacy, Security, and Anonymous Surfing ...: ; Anonymizer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; anonymizer.nntime.com home page:	[03:40]
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mircea_popescu	UNTOLD FORTUNES	[03:41]
MJR_III	priced so cheap that the time it took to set up was more than the cost	[03:41]
MJR_III	and now i'm doubling that cost i suppose	[03:41]
dub	anyway its probably not worth reading	[03:41]
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MJR_III	lol, i gotta say the content is worth the price	[03:41]
dub	in that if you don't already know what a fuckup amir is, you don't really want to	[03:41]
dub	its hard to look at	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	dub baby, he was A DEVTEAM GUY this time last year,.	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	you're aware yes ? painfully aware yes ?	[03:42]
dub	yes I am pained by his continued existence	[03:43]
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MJR_III	"Taaki is a speaker of Esperanto" srsly?	[03:43]
MJR_III	so he can talk to the other five guys?	[03:43]
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mircea_popescu	i think vrag is one of the other five	[03:44]
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MJR_III	lol, anyway...he is a fuckup, he was behind intersango	[03:44]
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mircea_popescu	o, no.	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	hes' the guy who "opensourced" the bitcoinica code, so abominations like bitfinex could spring up	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	except he opensourced it with sensitive passwords in the codebase	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	which resulted in a "heist"	[03:44]
dub	we haven't heard from Amir in a little while (afaik), I had hoped that his mother stopped suckling and he starved to death	[03:44]
MJR_III	USD11.90000 last intersango usd trade	[03:45]
MJR_III	buy buy buy	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	anyway, boiler room is downloaded and my toes are being suckled on so i shall bid you all a very fine evening and be back later.	[03:45]
MJR_III	let me know if you like it	[03:45]
dub	good movie	[03:45]
MJR_III	the notorious big quote was from taht movie	[03:45]
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smickles	holy crap, mpexbot took 20 gig in a second and then upstream cut them off	[03:50]
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Bugpowder	wat?	[03:50]
smickles	er, minute	[03:50]
Bugpowder	your bot?	[03:50]
smickles	$depth dice	[03:51]
mpexbot	smickles: S.DICE Bids: ['1512 @ 0.0038512', '1000 @ 0.00385001', '1000 @ 0.00380002', '250 @ 0.00380002', '5555 @ 0.0036']	[03:51]
mpexbot	smickles: Asks: ['1907 @ 0.00444436', '500 @ 0.00444437', '900 @ 0.0044444', '204 @ 0.00444442', '1000 @ 0.00449999']	[03:51]
smickles	Bugpowder: ^	[03:51]
Bugpowder	is that your bot?	[03:52]
smickles	i maintain it	[03:52]
Bugpowder	I was afk during most of the DDOS	[03:52]
Bugpowder	kewl	[03:52]
Bugpowder	u r part of the mpex ecosystem	[03:52]
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tiberiusiv	top 410 adresses control roughly 35% of all BTC	[04:02]
tiberiusiv	theres a possibility 100 individuals own 50% of BTCs outstanding lol	[04:05]
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smickles	!last s.dice	[04:06]
smickles	assbot?	[04:06]
smickles	kakobrekla: assbot offline?	[04:06]
MJR_III	wow so the ddos is affecting all of freenode	[04:07]
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Thinker_	Max Keiser owns 20000 BTC	[04:09]
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MJR_III	Thinker_ he has signed a message with an address that has 20000 btc?	[04:10]
Thinker_	at least he said he became a "bitcoin millionaire" when USD/BTC was 50	[04:10]
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MJR_III	lol, after watching his show, i would take anything he says with considerable skepticism	[04:11]
tiberiusiv	bitcoin has one of the worst "wealth" distributions of any monetary system yet	[04:11]
Thinker_	MJR_III: good point :)	[04:11]
MJR_III	tiberiusiv: dude...if it is so bad, why get involved?	[04:11]
tiberiusiv	MJR what are you talking about?	[04:11]
MJR_III	at the end of the day all that matters is what you do	[04:11]
MJR_III	if its good, buy	[04:11]
MJR_III	if it's bad, sell	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	hallo. i got my film interrupted ;/	[04:11]
MJR_III	really only two choices	[04:11]
tiberiusiv	no what matters is what happens when the tiny % that influence 90% of the market change their mind.	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	we're seeing 11gbps sustained and peaks to 25 range.	[04:12]
MJR_III	yeah freenode put out alerts	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	sooo... i guess we find out today huh.	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	but so far it's not good enough.	[04:12]
tiberiusiv	mircea: what film?	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	boiler room	[04:13]
tiberiusiv	its more of an amusement movie	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	um	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	what else movie could it be ?!	[04:13]
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tiberiusiv	mircea: a better one is glengary glen ross	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	ya but that one i saw.	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	anyway. "i'm not your friend, that's your mother's racket. i'm your father, i tell you when you fuck up"	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	solid concept.	[04:15]
smickles	mircea_popescu: did you see what I said happened to mpexbot?	[04:15]
ozonelayer	hey all. I have a question about mpex options. what is the size of each contract. 100BTC? I can't find this anywhere...	[04:15]
smickles	1btc	[04:15]
ozonelayer	1?	[04:15]
smickles	yup	[04:15]
ozonelayer	odd...	[04:16]
smickles	a little	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	smickles yes.	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	ozonelayer 1 btc per contract.	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	why'dya think that's odd ?	[04:17]
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mircea_popescu	$mpexlag	[04:17]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: 0.112129211426 seconds	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[04:17]
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ozonelayer	mircea_popescu: ok. thanks. typically, options are usually in units of 100 of the underlying asset. just a convention i believe (though SEC in the us may make this required...i'm not sure)	[04:18]
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mircea_popescu	ozonelayer from a general pov tho, the best unit is THE unit, ie 1.	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	if they were stacks of 100 the price'd just be higher, not like you can't stack them in 100s if you want.	[04:19]
ozonelayer	yea...i agree. however, the convention is well established. so, this kinda goes opposite of it. no big deal. i just buy 100 as many	[04:19]
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mircea_popescu	yeh.	[04:29]
tiberiusiv	mircea: rofl @ taaki article	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/134687421996.jpg	[04:30]
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17SACMZE9	testing testing	[04:36]
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benkay	testing	[04:36]
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benkay_	testing	[04:40]
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benkay_	is anybody out there?	[04:41]
Chaang-Noi	god the trading is slow and thin now	[04:42]
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smickles	Chaang-Noi: assbot is offline	[04:42]
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smickles	or do you mean btc/fiat trading?	[04:43]
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MJR_III	hi	[04:43]
MJR_III	i'm still here	[04:43]
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MJR_III	strong ass ddos tonight	[04:44]
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dub	;;goxlag	[04:46]
gribble	0 seconds	[04:46]
smickles	lol,	[04:47]
smickles	goxlag is broken	[04:47]
smickles	;;ticker	[04:47]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 70.20001, Best ask: 70.25001, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 70.25003, 24 hour volume: 42883.17754023, 24 hour low: 63.51000, 24 hour high: 72.49999, 24 hour vwap: 69.52634	[04:47]
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MJR_III	been surprisingly boring tonight on gox	[04:50]
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mircea_popescu	$mpexlag	[04:52]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: 0.108052015305 seconds	[04:52]
MJR_III	lol during ddos	[04:52]
MJR_III	what is NAT.ROUTERS?	[04:53]
MJR_III	i mean...network address translation routers seems obviuos	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	MJR_III it's an old inside joke.	[04:53]
MJR_III	but how does that relate to a tradeable asset?	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	sorta runninggag.	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	it's not.	[04:53]
MJR_III	ah ok	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	one of these days i gotta get myself a new keyboard that has a functioningspacebar	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	fuck	[04:54]
MJR_III	how did you write those spaces?	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	it works like cunt	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	sometimes.	[04:54]
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Chaang-Noi	oh thanks smickles	[04:55]
MJR_III	how'd you like boiler room?	[04:55]
Chaang-Noi	but gox is slow too and all the other exchanges	[04:55]
Chaang-Noi	like really slow	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	MJR_III i got interrupted.	[04:56]
dub	jesus croquet playing christ I have an urgent need to break some fucking neck	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	buy puppies.	[04:56]
MJR_III	bunnies are better	[04:57]
MJR_III	but i am on one more finance movie for the night	[04:57]
MJR_III	trading places	[04:57]
MJR_III	lol	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	anyway, teh boys seem to be having things under control, so i'll prolly resume	[04:57]
dub	motherfucking corporate leeches existing for he express purpose of doing nothing useful ever	[04:57]
MJR_III	dub: what else is new	[04:58]
MJR_III	dub: what is the specific reason behind that statement?	[04:59]
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dub	asshats reworking policy they don't understand, slapping completely unrelated 'standards' designations on documents that don't come close to touching the subject matter	[05:01]
MJR_III	ah i see	[05:01]
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dub	and nobody thinks to either fire these prolific masturbating timesinks or let me punch them in the face until they die	[05:02]
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mircea_popescu	"The home-made bomb exploded at a Polemidia branch ATM machine near the city of Limassol at around 12.30 a.m. on Monday."	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	http://greece.greekreporter.com/2013/03/24/angry-cypriots-blow-up-bank-of-cyprus-atm/	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	dude i'm fucked	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	dub i'd fire them. you work for the wrong boss.	[05:03]
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Chaang-Noi	lol dub, im okay if you hit them till they die if that helps	[05:19]
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Chaang-Noi	back in the 70s for the weekend, crazy shit	[05:47]
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ThickAsThieves	;;bc,stats	[05:57]
gribble	Current Blocks: 227909 \| Current Difficulty: 6695826.282596251 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 229823 \| Next Difficulty In: 1914 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 8 hours, 18 minutes, and 9 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 7152581.64559 \| Estimated Percent Change: 6.82149	[05:57]
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Bowjob	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/02/20/bc-pidgin-protest.html	[06:23]
Bowjob	poor people protesting a restaurant in vancouver.. wtf	[06:23]
smickles	???	[06:23]
Bowjob	for gentrifying the land	[06:23]
*	smickles reads	[06:23]
Bowjob	im tempted to eat at that restaurant now	[06:23]
Bowjob	lol	[06:23]
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Bowjob	basically downtown east side.. is the worst part of vancouver where poor people naturally reside	[06:24]
Bowjob	then this new restaurant came up that the locals cant afford.. so they start protesting	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	are they protesting that t hey're poor or that other people are rich ?	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	"Protesters say the restaurant -- which offers a modern menu fusing Asian and French flavours - is gentrifying the area and the premises would be better used for housing."	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	lmao. they paid the rent. they get to say what the premises are best used for.	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	these people should be convicted to 50-100 hours of mandatory capitalism training.	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	fuck sensitivity, it won't get you out of the slums.	[06:33]
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mircea_popescu	fuck gay rights and women issues and all the rest of the bs.	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	you go about saying "x's money should be better used for your own aggenda" you get arrested and you go to capitalism training.	[06:33]
Chaang-Noi	communists should be shot...	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[06:33]
Chaang-Noi	and socalists while we are at it...	[06:33]
Chaang-Noi	at least in places they can vote:)	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	idiots should be shot. communists should just be starved to death.	[06:33]
smickles	shooting communists is a waste of resources	[06:33]
Chaang-Noi	not if they can vote	[06:34]
Bowjob	thats the pressing issue here in vancouver. a freaking restaurant	[06:34]
Bowjob	i looked at their menu.. its not that expensive compared to other restaurants here	[06:34]
Chaang-Noi	your poor have too much money... they should not have the energy to revolt...	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi it's not the poor revolting.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	it's a bunch of uppity young kids who couldn't get into a real school	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	and need something to tell daddy over sunday dinner	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	as to where his college fund went.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	can't just say "sorry dad, i'm a failure, my double major in dumbfuckery is useless"	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	much easier to say "society is broken1!111!"	[06:36]
Chaang-Noi	okay then the people who should be poor, like out of work kids are too rich...	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	yeah, but kinda hard to get parents to throw out the refuse they spawned.	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	they kinda get attached to them.	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	"my own kid, how could he be stupid"	[06:36]
Chaang-Noi	i started work at age 12, im sure my son will as well	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	well... sometimes it happens.	[06:36]
Chaang-Noi	i moved to a country were we can avoid silly things like labour laws	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	certainly if i ever have kids it will not be in a white country.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	egypt, burma, whatever the fuck. something real.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	brazil.	[06:37]
Chaang-Noi	burma is where i ahve had my eye for a long time, lots of opertuinity there	[06:37]
smickles	hmm, i guess my daughter is done for then	[06:37]
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mircea_popescu	anything as long as it's not something run by the celebrated failures.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	smickles whyssat ?	[06:38]
smickles	she's an american	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	that's gonna be a tough thing to be in a coupla decades, so	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't be too worried.	[06:38]
jcpham	western samoa	[06:38]
jcpham	already looking for land	[06:38]
Chaang-Noi	africa i would personally stay away from	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	jcpham isn't that too close ?	[06:38]
jcpham	middle of the pacific	[06:39]
jcpham	close tonz	[06:39]
jcpham	we've been there. i have friends there	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	ya but i mean culturally close.	[06:39]
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jcpham	not really	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	isn't it practically a sort of puerto rico ?	[06:39]
jcpham	not really. not at all	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	(i have no idea, just asking)	[06:39]
jcpham	they live in opoen air huts	[06:39]
jcpham	sleep on mats	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	eternal campink	[06:39]
jcpham	yes	[06:39]
jcpham	catch water in ceisterns	[06:40]
Chaang-Noi	i want has go, if btc keep trucking up im going to be doing a lot more traveling	[06:40]
jcpham	no plumbing	[06:40]
jcpham	pre-paid electricity	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	aha	[06:40]
Chaang-Noi	ahh i like prepaid everything	[06:40]
jcpham	it's off the map as far as i'm concerned	[06:40]
smickles	wow, i really have no idea where my daughter will end up. I guess the best thing to teach here is wilderness survival skills	[06:40]
Chaang-Noi	wilderness survival skills are over rated... if we need to go there there will be way too many people	[06:41]
jcpham	eats lots of taro root and papaya	[06:41]
Chaang-Noi	just tach her how to use arms, and have lots of them	[06:41]
jcpham	it grows everywhere there	[06:41]
Chaang-Noi	taro root sucks, papaya is pretty nice	[06:41]
jcpham	taro chips own	[06:41]
Chaang-Noi	anything deep fried is good	[06:41]
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jcpham	not sure why i like taro	[06:41]
jcpham	buddy is samoan, we've been there, i like it is cheap	[06:42]
jcpham	USD is like 5:1 their money	[06:42]
smickles	I think the wilderness survival skills I was taught helped me in a number of other areas, and I've only used the survival skills directly in recreational situations	[06:42]
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MJR_III	the philippines	[06:43]
MJR_III	i think	[06:43]
smickles	nothin' beats catching a catfish on a self-constructed hook, line and rod	[06:43]
Chaang-Noi	130nm with 6-8J/GH. how is this compared to bfl?	[06:43]
MJR_III	seasteading	[06:43]
jcpham	also i live on the lake now	[06:43]
MJR_III	lol	[06:43]
jcpham	we've been fishing for 3 days	[06:43]
jcpham	and eating fish	[06:43]
MJR_III	but seriuosly i think you could set up a nice little island in the phils	[06:43]
jcpham	i like to eat for free	[06:44]
Chaang-Noi	island in phils, watch out for pirates and muslumz... no joke	[06:44]
smickles	next month, we witness jcpham mad as a hatter	[06:44]
MJR_III	anyways hasta mananaa	[06:45]
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MJR_III	good luck trading	[06:45]
Bowjob	yah, muslims in the phils are fake	[06:46]
Bowjob	they are just innit for the beheading	[06:46]
Bowjob	the real muslims, (the pissed off kind) mean business	[06:46]
jcpham	smickles i'm pretty mad already	[06:46]
Bowjob	the ones in phils shits and giggles when they behead someone	[06:46]
jcpham	i can't see how i could get crazier	[06:47]
Bowjob	and rythmically time their 'allah snackbar' chants witch each stab	[06:47]
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mircea_popescu	papaya is disgusting	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather eat used tampons	[06:49]
jcpham	hater	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	dude, it's obnoxious, it smells great and tastes rotten	[06:50]
jcpham	i'll make sure to invite you to my dirt hut and feed you papaya stew mircea_popescu	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	i'll eat your pets.	[06:50]
jcpham	it'll be great, you'll sit on an old log	[06:50]
jcpham	it'll smell like old socks	[06:50]
jcpham	we can have a hut orgy	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	allah has a snack bar ?@	[06:51]
jcpham	the neighbors would lose it	[06:51]
jcpham	bunch of fat samoans standing around my hut in a real life circle jerk	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	who am i going to have an orgy with ?!	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	you and that dude you hooked up with ?!	[06:51]
jcpham	porabably the dudes	[06:51]
MJR_III	but i think also if you are in the phils you could start a remittance service	[06:52]
MJR_III	$$$	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	myeah. i'll have my secretary check my schedule for me.	[06:52]
jcpham	k cool	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	the dude translating mpex faq to spanish made "small mormon family" into "familia de profesionales"	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	i was like... yeah that's legit.	[06:52]
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jcpham	does Mormonism translate into spanish	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	notrly.	[06:56]
jcpham	can you teach a spanish person their religion is wrong and theat a guy from America is the one true prophet	[06:56]
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jcpham	not sure if culturally correct	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	some dumbass who was "reading" a language he didn't speak	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	and then forgot what he read and couldn't read it again	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	so he had to start over when he lost his original notes	[06:56]
jcpham	we have some really fucked up religion in America	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how many self-identified "mormons" are aware they're on mormon 2.0, 1.0 having been around for about sixteen months	[06:57]
jcpham	Jehovah's witnesses are another classic subject	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	back in the 1800s	[06:57]
jcpham	they don't believe in christmas or birthdays	[06:58]
jcpham	so like jehovah girls are broken	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	jcpham running joke in this group of law sophomores was threatening them with prosecution for perjury	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	as they didn't actually witness it.	[06:58]
jcpham	because their parents never celebrated anything with them	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	don't they celebrate first period or some weird shit "?	[06:58]
jcpham	jehovah kids are strange	[06:58]
jcpham	watch yourself	[06:59]
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smickles	lol, one of those witnesses found me with my daughter	[07:03]
smickles	i kept the convo full of subtle puns which indicated i was an atheist	[07:03]
smickles	all flew over his head	[07:03]
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smickles	he wanted to tell me that i needed his god to be a good dad	[07:04]
smickles	i said something about having the natural capability	[07:04]
smickles	he complimented my daughter's beautiful eyes, saying that they were evidence of the spectical of god	[07:05]
Chaang-Noi	christans are not know to be the smarts bunch	[07:05]
smickles	i asked him if he noticed that they presented an evolved trait of one half of one eye being blue	[07:05]
Chaang-Noi	or any flavourt of org religion (but jedi)	[07:06]
smickles	a trait that basically proves evolution in itself by the way it presents in humans	[07:06]
smickles	dude had no luck converting me to his creationist ways. but I gave him a fair chance	[07:06]
smickles	Chaang-Noi: yeah, those fsm pirates are nutters too	[07:07]
smickles	;;lucky fsm pirate	[07:08]
gribble	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster	[07:08]
sgnb	smickles Smoovious SomeoneWeird splnkr sturles swhitt	[07:08]
smickles	hah	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	smickles your daughter has half a b lue eye !?	[07:08]
Chaang-Noi	yeah, i forgot about them, they be the awesome	[07:08]
Chaang-Noi	i almost got registered as a minster under them	[07:08]
smickles	mircea_popescu: yup, and all her children and their children and so on will too	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	stop beating her!	[07:09]
Chaang-Noi	fsm is est religion evar, much better than jedi	[07:09]
smickles	maybe the dood thought it was the mark of satan, cause that was the end of our convo	[07:09]
mircea_popescu	heh mark of satan	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	im pretty sure satan has black eyes	[07:10]
Bowjob	http://twitpic.com/c99taj/full	[07:10]
Bowjob	our busses are polite	[07:10]
Chaang-Noi	;;asks 75	[07:10]
gribble	There are currently 19286.523 bitcoins offered at or under 75.0 USD, worth 1425775.04212 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0021 seconds	[07:10]
Chaang-Noi	20k hmm	[07:11]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[07:11]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 72.00000, Best ask: 72.31499, Bid-ask spread: 0.31499, Last trade: 72.31499, 24 hour volume: 42712.39071457, 24 hour low: 65.11200, 24 hour high: 72.50000, 24 hour vwap: 69.98001	[07:11]
Chaang-Noi	;;asks 99.99	[07:11]
gribble	There are currently 45087.562 bitcoins offered at or under 99.99 USD, worth 3779057.44622 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 16.9417 seconds	[07:11]
Bowjob	that dude that wants to smuggle funds to malasia would push us to 100 bucks	[07:11]
smickles	mircea_popescu: also, because of it, she should be able to see and distinguish more colors than normal people	[07:11]
smickles	how do i teach her about a color which i can't see myself, i ask you	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	she'll figure it out.	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	also, better start investing in guns	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	you'll need em in ~16 years.	[07:13]
smickles	the guns never kept me away from others' daughters when i was young	[07:14]
smickles	maybe they were all just pussies tho	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	well they prolly just couldn't shoot straight.	[07:15]
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smickles	wth is this song about, i don't understand anywhere near enough french for it	[07:33]
smickles	TO THE INTERNET!	[07:34]
smickles	oh my, that's a much, much more sexual song than i thought it was	[07:36]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com/	[08:05]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 13 14:15:50 2013	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/smpoe-market-cap-vs-sdice-market-cap/	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	if anyone is a graph reading expert, please read that to me.	[08:05]
Chaang-Noi	can read your own chart?	[08:06]
Chaang-Noi	cant*	[08:06]
Chaang-Noi	it measn s.dice is now worth 60% of what it was worth at its highest valuation	[08:07]
Chaang-Noi	so someone could theroreticaly ahve lost 40% of their welath buying at the top	[08:07]
toffoo	Chaang-Noi: yes MBP	[08:08]
Chaang-Noi	toffoo can it run linux well, thinkinga bout buying one and loading on mint 14	[08:08]
toffoo	would probably make most sense to keep OS X and load linux into a VMware virtual machine	[08:09]
Chaang-Noi	mp if you did a chart for btc the 100% would be at 74.9 and now it would be at like 95% (72.00)	[08:09]
Chaang-Noi	my goal is to keep an encrypted os to keep a btc wallet while i travel	[08:10]
Chaang-Noi	only think i need it for is btc	[08:10]
toffoo	OSX has native full disk encryption .. no need for linux for that	[08:10]
Chaang-Noi	im going to buy it at the store, how do i encrypt it?	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi this is a mkt cap chart tho. if i took the dollar total value of BTC and the dollar value of a small company and compare them	[08:11]
Chaang-Noi	i have not used a mac in over 20 years	[08:11]
Chaang-Noi	mp lol what?	[08:11]
toffoo	there's an option in settings .. it does it in the background while you work .. it's really easy	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[08:11]
Chaang-Noi	mp what i said stands unless there was share dilution	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	there's no price in there, it's a ratio.	[08:12]
Chaang-Noi	that is why i know the guy lost 40% if bought at a high, im not telling you a price he lost at, just a ratio... 40$ is a ratio	[08:12]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[08:12]
Chaang-Noi	mno means?	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	say today google mkt cap is 5bn and apple mkt cap is 4 bn. then that would be 80% for that day on the graph	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	tomorrow goog mkt cap is 6bn and apple 4.5 bn	[08:13]
Chaang-Noi	you cant look at it like that lol	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	that's 75% on graph	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[08:13]
Chaang-Noi	your chart does not show anything abouty that]	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	...	[08:13]
Chaang-Noi	your chart only looks at s,.dice with limited info	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	dude you're telling me what it does based on you having glanced at it ?	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	stop being so superficial wth.	[08:14]
Chaang-Noi	it would be silly to take that chart and then look at a google chart... you could, but the only thing you could gain in knowledge is to see if the trend down was the same or not	[08:14]
Chaang-Noi	?	[08:14]
Chaang-Noi	i honestly belive you do not know how to read that chart...	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	listen. it's X item valued in btc divided by Y item divided in btc	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	the price has been divided out, it's just relative sizes.	[08:15]
Chaang-Noi	all you show in the chart however is a ratio...	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[08:15]
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Chaang-Noi	it is easy to see (assuming no share delution, or buy backs) a guy if invested at the top has lost 40%	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	40% whats ?	[08:16]
Chaang-Noi	wealth	[08:17]
Chaang-Noi	in whatever currancy the market cap was figured in	[08:17]
Chaang-Noi	im going to assume btc	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	listen, if i divide a distance in meters by another distance in meters, what will the result be measured in ?	[08:17]
Chaang-Noi	that is why i gave you the ratio of 40%	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	right.	[08:18]
Chaang-Noi	you then asked of what	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	right.	[08:18]
Chaang-Noi	so to find that out i have to see where you started	[08:18]
Chaang-Noi	and i assume you started with btc	[08:18]
Chaang-Noi	this is basic chart read and basic maths?	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	yeah lol. it is pretty basic, but apparently not quite understood.	[08:19]
Chaang-Noi	yeah i can see that, but really its not a hard chart, look at some other real life examples and i think you can get it to click	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi you're the one that's not getting it is the problem.	[08:20]
Chaang-Noi	also you should not start that chart at 0 but rather the ipo price	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	come up with an example of such a chart, i'm curious.	[08:20]
Chaang-Noi	i ahve nothing to prove to up mp, you asked for my help, i gave it. take it or not, up to you	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	lolk.	[08:20]
Chaang-Noi	others here will tell you im correct in what i said if you have doubts.	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	that'll be just as entertaining as the original.	[08:21]
Chaang-Noi	yes, i agree	[08:22]
Chaang-Noi	maybe someone else can explain it a bit better than i, im not a good teacher.	[08:22]
mircea_popescu	you're a very good dunnker-krugerand tho. it compensates.	[08:23]
Bowjob	"Currently waiting to transfer flights in Europe, this week should be fun." -Loaded	[08:26]
Bowjob	hold on to the rockets	[08:27]
Bowjob	bears gonna get slaughtered	[08:27]
Chaang-Noi	lol, i help you out and you give me insults:) you must be a very angry guy.	[08:27]
Chaang-Noi	hope loaded is not a troll	[08:27]
Bowjob	mhm, it could be he's planning a dump as wella ctually	[08:28]
Bowjob	he owns like 40k something btc	[08:28]
Bowjob	but i dont see why he would od that	[08:28]
Chaang-Noi	i doubt he dumps	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi dude, angry bs. the situation is this : i open up something for public discussion, you come up with a completely misunderstood notion of wtf it is. i tell you so.	[08:39]
mircea_popescu	im not angry or elated or anything else. just slightly amused.	[08:39]
Chaang-Noi	:)	[08:40]
mircea_popescu	think of it in terms of countries. there's two countries and we're measuring their power.	[08:41]
mircea_popescu	the smaller one goes from 40% to 80% of the bigger one during 2012	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	then suddenly drops back to 20% during a few months	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	then starts climbing up to like 60% in a few weeks.	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	the question is why ?!	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	what has happened that turned the slow uptrend into a sudden downtrend late december ?	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	and then what has happened to turn it back again early feb ?	[08:42]
Chaang-Noi	yeah trends are about the only thing you can look at here, and really they both could have lost 99% of value or gained 99% of value in the real world, this kinda of chart is not really sueful for much	[08:43]
Chaang-Noi	it is only usefull if you have context	[08:43]
mircea_popescu	well yes, if both suddenly lost 99% of value in one week that wouldn't show on the graph	[08:43]
Chaang-Noi	share dilution would be one thing we would need to know	[08:43]
mircea_popescu	only their relative evolution is shown, all the outside noise tuned out	[08:43]
mircea_popescu	like btc going up and down etc	[08:44]
mircea_popescu	there was no share dillution tho.	[08:44]
Chaang-Noi	if on lost 99.5% and on lost 99% just looking at the chart we would think the one that only lost 99% is better	[08:44]
mircea_popescu	double, actually. yes.	[08:44]
Chaang-Noi	i mean shares coming onto the market, when did he dump that extra 3% of the company? cuz that was 33.33% more shares traded	[08:44]
mircea_popescu	well, i sold 10mn packs a number of times and erik i think sold 1mn 3x	[08:45]
mircea_popescu	diff times.	[08:45]
mircea_popescu	iirc in february	[08:45]
cads	Hey guys, what do you think about the threatened attack against the LTC? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153460.0	[08:46]
Chaang-Noi	when he sold he put a lot of downard pressure on the stock and thus the whole company valueation	[08:46]
mircea_popescu	and yet trend is up	[08:46]
Chaang-Noi	cads he needs to add 3 0s to his bounty...	[08:46]
mircea_popescu	cads uhm	[08:47]
Chaang-Noi	mp trend is up to the other stock, but mdice has lost value	[08:47]
Chaang-Noi	sdice	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	wait. to highlight the insecurity he's going to pay someone to highlight the insecurity ?	[08:47]
cads	evening, mircea. Hah, Chaang-Noi.	[08:47]
Chaang-Noi	mp it is a retarded troll who fails at life... cads should ignore him, or if not make fun of him	[08:47]
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Chaang-Noi	mp that chart you made, with out context can not really show a whole lot of info, unless your whole world is nothing but s.dice and the other stock	[08:48]
cads	Chaang-Noi: yeah, sure, ignore the dude, and everyone else calls him by his initials ;)	[08:49]
Chaang-Noi	we need context	[08:49]
Bowjob	avalon just sent out a newsletter	[08:49]
Chaang-Noi	cads what?	[08:49]
Chaang-Noi	ignore the guy trying to attack ltc not mp	[08:49]
Chaang-Noi	bowjob link ?	[08:49]
cads	Chaang-Noi: ah	[08:50]
mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi the other world kinda is only those yeah.	[08:50]
cads	yeah, he isn't really signalling very credibly	[08:50]
Chaang-Noi	cads it wont happen this was treid 9 months ago it failed hard	[08:51]
mircea_popescu	the recent bitcoin misadventure has clearly shown we need at least one backup	[08:51]
mircea_popescu	honestly i hope more people make more alt chains	[08:51]
Chaang-Noi	yeah its why i hold over 100k ltc	[08:51]
Chaang-Noi	im not a btc nut, im a crypto coin nut	[08:52]
Bowjob	chang, i wont exactly link you to my email accoun	[08:52]
Bowjob	t	[08:52]
cads	Chaang-Noi: Hear hear.	[08:52]
Chaang-Noi	true cryptoi anarchists wont care for the btc brand name like the many who attack ltc...	[08:52]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob pastebin ?	[08:52]
Bowjob	mhm, sure	[08:52]
Chaang-Noi	damn you bowjob!!! :)	[08:52]
Bowjob	http://pastebin.com/BBjr9B78	[08:53]
Bowjob	the original email is an eyesore, i actually put it on word..	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	We plan to start shipping majority of batch two orders starting on 15th of April.	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	this used to be "shipped by 15th of april" eh	[08:54]
Chaang-Noi	well it is just a "plan"	[08:54]
Bowjob	Basically what he;s saying is batch 2 will arrive at the end of may	[08:55]
Chaang-Noi	and bfl is still 4 to 6 weeks	[08:55]
Bowjob	since some bullshit reason will give them another excuse	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	so basically avalon is going full mining farm. big surprise.	[08:55]
Chaang-Noi	go asicminer	[08:55]
Chaang-Noi	if i was avalon i would too	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	ya. currently #1 threat to bitcoin	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	larger than mtgox, if that can even be believed	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	larger than the weirdo devteam	[08:55]
Chaang-Noi	ltc is asic resistant	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	they're a problem.	[08:56]
Chaang-Noi	we might see 70% if the netwrok at two places in china if bfl fails like they might	[08:56]
Bowjob	so if avalon 3s dont get purchased, yifu will mine themselves	[08:56]
Bowjob	no mention of a vacation	[08:57]
Bowjob	lol	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	"this was the plan all along".	[08:57]
Bowjob	gah, so by end of may	[08:57]
Bowjob	sucks, i was hoping to get the best birthday present ever	[08:57]
Bowjob	fuck that shit.	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	if the western world we're sane this'd be pretty much the start of ww3.	[08:58]
Chaang-Noi	honestly there is no reason why they should not keep the hardware once all orders all filled, however bfl can do this for years, lol	[08:59]
Chaang-Noi	cant	[08:59]
Bowjob	" organize"	[08:59]
Bowjob	mean vacation	[08:59]
Chaang-Noi	chinese do not vacation like you or me...	[08:59]
Chaang-Noi	vacation means work differently,	[08:59]
Bowjob	bfl syndrome	[09:00]
Bowjob	fuck them	[09:00]
Bowjob	why cant we have a reputable asic vendor. that does exactly what they say they would	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	Shipping Time: May 5st, 2013	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	may 5st!	[09:01]
Bowjob	"a brand new SMT line in our facility. This upgrade will effectively double our production capacity, it enable us to put Avalon into the hands of our customer even faster. The new line is currently scheduled to come online during the last week of April"	[09:02]
Bowjob	What I don't get is.. if SMT line is scheduled to go online at the end of April..	[09:02]
Bowjob	and they say they will ship the majority in the middle of April	[09:03]
Bowjob	taht means they will only ship 300 at most in the middle of april	[09:03]
Bowjob	the other half at the end of april, adding extra delays and fuckups.. the "shipping date" will be May 5th, followed with 3 weeks of uncertainty	[09:04]
Bowjob	and followed with the actual stuff getting into customers' hands at the end of may	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	maybe	[09:05]
ZedsterX	pardon the interuption but is https://btc.penek.org/ down for everyone	[09:09]
mircea_popescu	doesn't load for me	[09:09]
ZedsterX	thx MP	[09:09]
Chaang-Noi	mp may 5st? lol for what?	[09:15]
Chaang-Noi	last half of batch 2?	[09:15]
Bowjob	yeah the max they can produce is batch 3	[09:16]
Bowjob	i mean	[09:16]
Bowjob	300 units	[09:16]
Bowjob	for half of april, factoring the fuckups, shipping 5-10 a day	[09:16]
Bowjob	k, the math doesnt add up they ship a bit more than that..	[09:16]
Bowjob	yeah, chances are.. batch 2.5 will be at the hands of customers at the end of may	[09:16]
Chaang-Noi	works for me	[09:19]
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mircea_popescu	basically bitcoin is on a countdown before avalon gets too much mining together.	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	well played, i must agree, throw a few scraps to the clueless westerners, enough to get them to front your capital.	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	unethical, but then again chinese.	[09:26]
Bowjob	they still have one big haul left	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	time is tickingaway.	[09:27]
Bowjob	so they will get about 2.6 million dollars	[09:27]
Bowjob	and makea farm for themselves	[09:27]
Chaang-Noi	mp i would do what they did if i had rthe skillz	[09:27]
Bowjob	if they dont get the 2.6, they will mine anyway	[09:28]
Chaang-Noi	i would stay under 50% hoowever	[09:28]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[09:30]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 72.00001, Best ask: 72.27999, Bid-ask spread: 0.27998, Last trade: 72.00001, 24 hour volume: 43429.77497546, 24 hour low: 66.10000, 24 hour high: 72.78499, 24 hour vwap: 70.24961	[09:30]
Bowjob	75btc for avalon 3	[09:34]
Chaang-Noi	;;asks 75	[09:37]
gribble	There are currently 18991.757 bitcoins offered at or under 75.0 USD, worth 1404049.42126 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0021 seconds	[09:37]
Chaang-Noi	lost 1000 on the weekend, good news...	[09:37]
Namworld	?	[09:38]
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Chaang-Noi	either someone bought into the walls or they were taken down by 1000 coins since like 8 hours ago	[09:40]
Chaang-Noi	makes me all bullish inside my special placez	[09:40]
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Namworld	uh... not sure what's going on exactly but eh	[09:43]
Chaang-Noi	:)	[09:43]
Namworld	You lost 1000 BTC? I hope not. Maybe USD?	[09:43]
Chaang-Noi	no no	[09:43]
Chaang-Noi	the asks lost 1000 btc under 75	[09:43]
Namworld	oh	[09:44]
Namworld	right	[09:44]
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Chaang-Noi	price moving up	[09:44]
Namworld	there's two big walls left	[09:44]
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Chaang-Noi	yeah but we are moving in the right direction, and it still weekend sorta	[09:46]
Namworld	yeah	[09:47]
Namworld	Well I doubt these walls will hold	[09:48]
Chaang-Noi	i doubt 48 hours, unless we crash	[09:48]
Bowjob	loaded is hinting at a european client	[09:53]
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Bowjob	All right, for those of you who like to gamble, batch 3 will open in a few hours	[09:57]
Bowjob	I will take a look at whats going on.. but i wont buy	[09:57]
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dub	;;bc,nethash	[10:09]
gribble	55107.853568001425	[10:09]
mircea_popescu	anyway. from 88 - 115 to 75	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	avalon pricing is an exercise in pulling numbrrs out of ass	[10:14]
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dub	they could charge anything and people will buy them	[10:16]
Namworld	Where's topace seriously...	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157789.msg1670399#msg1670399	[10:21]
mircea_popescu	lmao check out the junior members	[10:21]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [-]	[11:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [-]	[11:48]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.79802 BTC [-]	[11:48]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.79801 = 3.192 BTC [-]	[11:48]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.798 = 3.99 BTC [-]	[11:48]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.7925 = 2.3775 BTC [-]	[11:48]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7925 BTC [-]	[11:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5934 @ 0.00065033 = 3.8591 BTC [-]	[11:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 96 @ 0.00438 = 0.4205 BTC [+]	[11:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 19 @ 0.004395 = 0.0835 BTC [+]	[11:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 435 @ 0.00465 = 2.0228 BTC [+]	[12:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 139 @ 0.00469 = 0.6519 BTC [+]	[12:00]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.17639 BTC [+]	[12:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1764 BTC [+]	[12:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.501 BTC [-]	[12:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4304 @ 0.00065033 = 2.799 BTC [-]	[12:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00065024 = 12.9398 BTC [-]	[12:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 596 @ 0.00064326 = 0.3834 BTC [-]	[12:27]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7813 BTC [-]	[12:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.781 BTC [-]	[12:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.78 = 4.68 BTC [-]	[12:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 21 @ 0.78 = 16.38 BTC [-]	[12:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 73 @ 0.78 = 56.94 BTC [-]	[12:35]
deadweas1l	;;ticker	[12:44]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 72.45383, Best ask: 72.88999, Bid-ask spread: 0.43616, Last trade: 72.45383, 24 hour volume: 43903.14440387, 24 hour low: 67.00001, 24 hour high: 72.93495, 24 hour vwap: 70.83011	[12:44]
Diablo-D3	so we're back to that now?	[12:45]
Namworld	yes	[12:47]
Namworld	Possibly breaking 75 and running up to 100	[12:47]
Uglux	call it reloaded™ ;)	[12:48]
Namworld	I'm not sure I like the fact it's happening...	[12:48]
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KRS1	what makes you think $100	[12:53]
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Namworld	Actually I don't think we can go to or over the line.	[12:55]
Namworld	But price tends to move and stop at round numbers.	[12:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.804 BTC [+]	[12:59]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.809 BTC [+]	[13:18]
ChaangNoi	hmm, i like it better at .085	[13:19]
ChaangNoi	wonder why it is going down with avalon and bfl fail	[13:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.819 BTC [+]	[13:22]
ChaangNoi	well this is the right direction atleast:)	[13:22]
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Bowjob	what happened to avalon bet	[13:32]
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Bowjob	seems like it got removed	[13:33]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[13:34]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 72.30372, Best ask: 72.69999, Bid-ask spread: 0.39627, Last trade: 72.30372, 24 hour volume: 46499.99170688, 24 hour low: 67.00001, 24 hour high: 73.00000, 24 hour vwap: 70.99670	[13:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.00439 = 0.0659 BTC [+]	[13:38]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[13:43]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 72.21001, Best ask: 72.69999, Bid-ask spread: 0.48998, Last trade: 72.21000, 24 hour volume: 46190.13268606, 24 hour low: 67.00001, 24 hour high: 73.00000, 24 hour vwap: 71.02465	[13:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.81 BTC [-]	[13:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00064326 = 1.2222 BTC [-]	[13:46]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.0047 = 0.0094 BTC [+]	[13:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.81 BTC [-]	[13:58]
jurov	http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1364140800.php ftw	[14:03]
jurov	lol let's call them by right name: cartel currencies!	[14:03]
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jurov	so, another ddos that took out mpex.coinbr.com by shrapnel, too...	[14:17]
jurov	beefed it up, waiting what comes next	[14:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5004 @ 0.00064326 = 3.2189 BTC [-]	[14:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00064295 = 5.2722 BTC [-]	[14:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00063865 = 12.4217 BTC [-]	[14:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17946 @ 0.00063656 = 11.4237 BTC [-]	[14:23]
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damientrog	shouldn't the avalon store open now?	[14:41]
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damientrog	ah it seems to work	[14:48]
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splnkr	damientrog: did you get one? they're already sold out	[15:02]
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damientrog	I got a confirmation	[15:03]
splnkr	i missed batch 2 by a few minutes and yet I was ready to spend 4X as much to get in on this one	[15:03]
splnkr	looks like i just missed it too	[15:03]
damientrog	and payed a lot of money	[15:03]
splnkr	congrats to you if you made it!	[15:03]
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damientrog	thanks	[15:03]
splnkr	yeah at least the dropped it from 88 to 72 BTC	[15:03]
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imsaguy	aww	[15:11]
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deadweas1l	is bitbet.us down?	[15:27]
deadweas1l	nope, just slow.	[15:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00063802 = 11.7077 BTC [+]	[15:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00064993 = 2.2748 BTC [+]	[15:27]
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ThickAsThieves	;;bc,stats	[15:42]
gribble	Current Blocks: 227960 \| Current Difficulty: 6695826.282596251 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 229823 \| Next Difficulty In: 1863 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 5 hours, 6 minutes, and 22 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 6715661.70839 \| Estimated Percent Change: 0.29624	[15:42]
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Bowjob	seems avalon sold out	[15:45]
Bowjob	within 30 mins	[15:45]
Bowjob	k, thats way worse than my 24 hour prediction	[15:46]
Bowjob	shoulda said within 1 hr	[15:46]
ThickAsThieves	thats 300 units at 72btc was it?	[15:46]
Bowjob	500	[15:47]
Bowjob	at either 72 BTC each, or 100 BTC for 4 modules	[15:47]
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Bowjob	i wish i got an option for 4 modules on batch 2	[15:48]
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Bowjob	http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/131/288/spongebob-butthurt.gif	[15:49]
Bowjob	someone's ranting on forums that they couldnt buy lol	[15:49]
ThickAsThieves	its just so amazing that BFL really is not shipping yet	[15:50]
ThickAsThieves	we need more asic suppliers	[15:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.50500001 = 1.01 BTC [+]	[15:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.505 = 1.01 BTC [-]	[15:52]
Bowjob	micon is the winner of the bet	[15:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.501 = 2.004 BTC [-]	[15:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4905 = 0.981 BTC [-]	[15:52]
Bowjob	the whole thing is a scam	[15:52]
Bowjob	there is apparently a new asic supplier	[15:52]
Bowjob	shipping fall/winter	[15:52]
Bowjob	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158044.0	[15:53]
ThickAsThieves	that Helveticoin thing?	[15:53]
ThickAsThieves	oh anothernother one	[15:53]
Bowjob	another one	[15:54]
Bowjob	this one is prolly a scam	[15:54]
Bowjob	anyone got batch 3?	[15:54]
Bowjob	I considered it, but I have batch 2 incoming..	[15:54]
Bowjob	i dont want to be too greedy	[15:54]
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Bowjob	;;ticker	[15:56]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 72.90001, Best ask: 73.01000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10999, Last trade: 73.01000, 24 hour volume: 50819.94621131, 24 hour low: 67.45000, 24 hour high: 73.01000, 24 hour vwap: 71.34375	[15:56]
unbalanced	Bowjob when do you expect it to arrive?	[15:56]
Bowjob	my batch two will arrive in the middle of may	[15:57]
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Bowjob	batch 3 will arrive at the beginning of july	[15:57]
topace	!ticker h sdice	[15:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.49050000 / 0.51929412 / 0.53000000 (68 shares, 35.31199991 BTC), 7D: 0.40000000 / 0.48153116 / 0.53200000 (1169 shares, 562.90992223 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.55362601 / 0.69400000 (5727 shares, 3170.61617943 BTC)	[15:57]
topace	!ticker h vtx	[15:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.63210000 / 0.74049568 / 0.77980000 (176 shares, 130.32723989 BTC), 7D: 0.38280000 / 0.41016687 / 0.77980000 (10816 shares, 4436.36481305 BTC), 30D: 0.38280000 / 0.41016687 / 0.77980000 (10816 shares, 4436.36481305 BTC)	[15:57]
unbalanced	That'll probably still beat my BFL order from last Nov.	[15:57]
Bowjob	yes of course	[15:57]
unbalanced	How much was it in Batch 2?	[15:58]
Bowjob	37500 BTC at least were put into batch 3	[15:58]
Bowjob	that is not some easy number in BTC land..	[15:58]
Bowjob	they are betting BFL wont ship	[15:58]
Bowjob	500 units	[15:58]
Bowjob	snapped in 30 mins... i gave third batch 24 hours.. damn	[15:58]
Bowjob	how much u paid for bfl?	[15:59]
unbalanced	$1299 USD was 106 BTC back in Nov.	[16:00]
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unbalanced	Are you sure it's against the rules to slap myself here?	[16:00]
Bowjob	yikes. you could afford about 2 Avalons	[16:00]
Bowjob	i only paid 56 BTC for my avalon 2	[16:00]
unbalanced	Would you like a co-investor in your batch 2? I could hedge my BFL exposure that way.	[16:01]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[16:01]
Bowjob	nty, :P	[16:01]
Bowjob	i believe if BFL ships, their capacity would be so limited	[16:01]
ThickAsThieves	i will gladly lend you 50btc today for 500btc tomorrow	[16:01]
Bowjob	what you could hedge with is this.. http://bitbet.us/bet/307/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-july-1st/	[16:02]
Bowjob	though it seems BFL investors are losing hope	[16:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.00449999 = 13.05 BTC [-]	[16:03]
unbalanced	It's always darkest before the meteor strikes.	[16:03]
Bowjob	so you ordered in nov	[16:04]
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ThickAsThieves	why does that print sometimes show [-] when it should be [+]?	[16:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4905 = 0.981 BTC [-]	[16:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [-]	[16:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.45005 = 1.3502 BTC [-]	[16:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.450001 = 4.5 BTC [-]	[16:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.45 = 5.85 BTC [-]	[16:05]
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unbalanced	Yep, so I'll be way after other BFL deliveries.	[16:05]
unbalanced	I'm that full of win.	[16:05]
ThickAsThieves	i had a bfl order, but cancelled it earlier this year	[16:06]
ThickAsThieves	bought BTC instead	[16:06]
Bowjob	You did well	[16:06]
leotablet	what happened to the Avalon batch 1 bet on bitbet?	[16:06]
taub	boom bye bye wall	[16:07]
Bowjob	i thought mp closed it since he lost..	[16:07]
taub	someone here using sierra charts?	[16:07]
Bowjob	because it was sorta ambigous.. he bet on np	[16:07]
taub	is it possible to show volume in bitcoins and not in ticks	[16:07]
Bowjob	http://bitbet.us/bet/269/avalon-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/	[16:07]
Bowjob	its pending, actually	[16:07]
Bowjob	thank satoshi..	[16:07]
Bowjob	if that bet gets canned, its a red flag	[16:07]
taub	is satoshi one of the original developers?	[16:07]
Bowjob	conflict of interest	[16:07]
Bowjob	yes	[16:08]
leotablet	I got mine delivered today	[16:08]
taub	and he runs the dice game? or is that just in honor of him	[16:08]
leotablet	I bet 3 btc	[16:08]
Bowjob	its a marketing ploy	[16:08]
Bowjob	satoshi has nothing to do with s.dice	[16:08]
taub	ic	[16:08]
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taub	btc breaking out btw ;)	[16:08]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[16:09]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 74.86254, Best ask: 74.88766, Bid-ask spread: 0.02512, Last trade: 74.86254, 24 hour volume: 56982.87826385, 24 hour low: 67.45000, 24 hour high: 74.86254, 24 hour vwap: 71.58647	[16:09]
ThickAsThieves	nice	[16:09]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 80	[16:09]
gribble	There are currently 12350.322 bitcoins offered at or under 80.0 USD, worth 941216.151012 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0022 seconds	[16:09]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 70	[16:09]
gribble	There are currently 6557.6808 bitcoins demanded at or over 70.0 USD, worth 467816.87006 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 2.4252 seconds	[16:09]
Enky	;;asks 90	[16:09]
gribble	There are currently 18442.798 bitcoins offered at or under 90.0 USD, worth 1460512.2211 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 7.6800 seconds	[16:09]
splnkr	lol a zig zag to be enjoyed throughly	[16:09]
Enky	;;bids 60	[16:09]
gribble	There are currently 31425.905 bitcoins demanded at or over 60.0 USD, worth 2089676.87999 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 23.4083 seconds	[16:09]
splnkr	i'm with y'all	[16:09]
Bowjob	where is that chart from BFL.. about the shipping dates	[16:09]
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Bowjob	"The currently estimated shipping time frame if you were to order today is the end of April or Beginning of May. This is just an estimate, and until we know how many units we can produce per day and specifically when the bulk of our chips will be ready, we can't give a more accurate estimate."	[16:11]
Bowjob	hahahahahhahahaahaahah	[16:11]
Bowjob	according to josh	[16:11]
deadweas1l	lol	[16:11]
deadweas1l	bfl has been entertaining from the start	[16:11]
Bowjob	can someone post that chart about bfl shipment	[16:12]
Bowjob	like, if u ordered back in june or something	[16:12]
Bowjob	i swear i saw one.. cant find it	[16:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.009899 = 0.0495 BTC [+]	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	i dont recall any gfx	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	here's a summary page https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1099-orders-shipping-pictures-facility-when-my-stuff-here-why-delays-shipping.html	[16:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 6 @ 0.05500538 = 0.33 BTC [+]	[16:13]
ThickAsThieves	this one has a bunch of dates https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html	[16:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.09 = 0.45 BTC [-]	[16:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.105 = 0.525 BTC [+]	[16:15]
Bowjob	not that unfortunatel	[16:15]
Bowjob	i give up	[16:15]
Bowjob	basically, someone who ordered in nov, according to the "chart" will recieve theirs may	[16:16]
Bowjob	irrc	[16:16]
ThickAsThieves	its all nonsense at this point anyway	[16:16]
ThickAsThieves	they need to ship 1 unit before any dates matter at all	[16:16]
Bowjob	but we know thats bullshit because bfl's chart says those who preordered first would get theirs feb or march	[16:16]
Bowjob	avalon 3 will ship first	[16:16]
Bowjob	37,500 BTC says so	[16:17]
Bowjob	not me	[16:17]
Bowjob	but the BTC does	[16:17]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[16:17]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 74.75000, Best ask: 74.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 74.00000, 24 hour volume: 57944.78653082, 24 hour low: 67.47000, 24 hour high: 74.90000, 24 hour vwap: 71.65377	[16:17]
ThickAsThieves	;;goxlag	[16:17]
gribble	4.549039 seconds	[16:17]
Bowjob	Ooh!	[16:18]
Bowjob	http://store.avalon-asics.com/?product=avalon-asic-unit	[16:18]
Bowjob	its on stock again	[16:18]
Bowjob	it seems they limit the stock so that it wont get ddosed	[16:18]
ThickAsThieves	any idea how many actually sold?	[16:18]
Bowjob	i would imagine a nice round number	[16:19]
Bowjob	100	[16:19]
Bowjob	or 50	[16:19]
Bowjob	500 units will be available	[16:19]
Bowjob	then again it could be 250 units too	[16:19]
ThickAsThieves	tempted, but i dont thinki could handle the stress of waiting	[16:20]
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deadweasel	safer with BTC in your own wallet.	[16:20]
Bowjob	i bought the majority of my btc dec, 2012	[16:20]
Bowjob	so.. its okay with me	[16:20]
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deadweasel	yeah, if you can risk it, probably isn't a bad idea. are you going to pull the trigger on an avalon?	[16:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 6 @ 0.05510357 = 0.3306 BTC [+]	[16:30]
kakobrekla	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ayykn/avalon_asic_batch_3_sold_out/	[16:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.80998 = 16.1996 BTC [-]	[16:33]
kakobrekla	O_O	[16:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.81 = 4.86 BTC [+]	[16:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.819 = 4.095 BTC [+]	[16:34]
kakobrekla	oh so it wasnt sold out?	[16:35]
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Bowjob	it just says sold out from time to time	[16:36]
Bowjob	because they learned from batch 1 and 2 ordering	[16:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 5 @ 0.05516855 = 0.2758 BTC [+]	[16:36]
Bowjob	so maybe 100 units per session	[16:36]
Bowjob	it will still sell out in 24 hours like i predicted	[16:37]
kakobrekla	heh	[16:37]
kakobrekla	naive people	[16:37]
wao	all time high	[16:40]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01573 BTC [-]	[16:40]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[16:41]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 74.54000, Best ask: 74.97900, Bid-ask spread: 0.43900, Last trade: 74.95000, 24 hour volume: 59306.49047898, 24 hour low: 67.47001, 24 hour high: 74.95000, 24 hour vwap: 71.73076	[16:41]
topace	jesus 101.14 BTC for 4 mod w/atx (85gh)?!	[16:41]
topace	why the huge jump in price?	[16:41]
ThickAsThieves	make money money money	[16:41]
ThickAsThieves	people will pay the price it seems	[16:42]
ThickAsThieves	if they do	[16:42]
ThickAsThieves	then Avaon is pretty damn smart	[16:42]
topace	wtf is going on with bfl? no update in a week and a half?	[16:42]
ThickAsThieves	no update til Wed i think	[16:42]
topace	still "having problems with the test rig" ??	[16:42]
Bowjob	the high price is because it will give 100% roi in about a month	[16:42]
ThickAsThieves	yeah they are having problems letting go of it and mining themselves	[16:42]
Bowjob	if you multiply the current diff twice today	[16:43]
Bowjob	so about 12 mil	[16:43]
Bowjob	its still a good buy	[16:43]
Bowjob	i still dont think bfl will ship anytime soon	[16:43]
Bowjob	so apparently the cause of delay is the ATX	[16:43]
Bowjob	.. if it makes my shipment faster, I can do away with the ATX	[16:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00064713 = 8.9951 BTC [-]	[16:45]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [-]	[16:47]
Bowjob	I recall josh saying the BFL bet for march 1 was gonna be a close one	[16:48]
Bowjob	what a liar.	[16:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 5 @ 0.05539952 = 0.277 BTC [+]	[16:48]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01301 BTC [-]	[16:48]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.008501 BTC [-]	[16:49]
Bowjob	ATH	[16:49]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[16:50]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 74.89684, Best ask: 75.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10316, Last trade: 75.00000, 24 hour volume: 59971.91411337, 24 hour low: 67.75000, 24 hour high: 75.00000, 24 hour vwap: 71.88882	[16:50]
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kakobrekla	;;goxlag	[16:50]
gribble	6.927344 seconds	[16:50]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 79.99	[16:55]
gribble	There are currently 9405.6834 bitcoins offered at or under 79.99 USD, worth 717701.616018 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 82.2281 seconds	[16:55]
ThickAsThieves	bids 60.01	[16:55]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 60.01	[16:55]
gribble	There are currently 29884.514 bitcoins demanded at or over 60.01 USD, worth 1996044.82564 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 99.5886 seconds	[16:55]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 70.01	[16:55]
gribble	There are currently 5620.2676 bitcoins demanded at or over 70.01 USD, worth 404970.347737 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 114.1587 seconds	[16:55]
ThickAsThieves	still shallow	[16:55]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[16:56]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 74.99994, Best ask: 75.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00006, Last trade: 75.00000, 24 hour volume: 61675.20387455, 24 hour low: 67.75000, 24 hour high: 75.00000, 24 hour vwap: 71.98374	[16:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 6 @ 0.07419275 = 0.4452 BTC [+]	[16:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 5 @ 0.08759408 = 0.438 BTC [+]	[16:57]
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Bugpowder	Is the MPOE bot tapped out	[16:58]
Bugpowder	I want moar	[16:58]
Bugpowder	NEEED MORE CALLS	[17:00]
Bugpowder	COME BACK MPOEBOT	[17:00]
thestringpuller	needs to borrow more money	[17:01]
thestringpuller	:P	[17:01]
ThickAsThieves	;;goxlag	[17:01]
gribble	33.493863 seconds	[17:01]
ThickAsThieves	there it goes	[17:01]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[17:01]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 75.00000, Best ask: 75.00100, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 75.00000, 24 hour volume: 64448.06308381, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 75.00000, 24 hour vwap: 72.15001	[17:01]
ThickAsThieves	gox freezing price at 75	[17:01]
ThickAsThieves	with suggested bid	[17:02]
taub	bids are really hungry	[17:02]
taub	:)	[17:02]
taub	it ate through	[17:02]
Bugpowder	;;ticker	[17:02]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 75.00000, Best ask: 75.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 75.25000, 24 hour volume: 64448.06308381, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 75.00000, 24 hour vwap: 72.15001	[17:02]
deadweasel	gox just freezing.	[17:02]
deadweasel	;;goxlag	[17:02]
gribble	41.06127 seconds	[17:02]
taub	;;ticker	[17:02]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 75.00000, Best ask: 75.41000, Bid-ask spread: 0.41000, Last trade: 75.41000, 24 hour volume: 64448.06308381, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 75.00000, 24 hour vwap: 72.15001	[17:02]
Bugpowder	fuck i need more calls	[17:02]
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Bugpowder	MPOE bot is sold out I guess.	[17:02]
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Bowjob	http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3070/2789654119_4203f8e3e4.jpg	[17:03]
Bugpowder	I only have 3000 calls :(	[17:03]
Bowjob	This explains a lot	[17:03]
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Bugpowder	bitcoinity should flash that photo	[17:03]
ThickAsThieves	is there an mpex options faq?	[17:03]
kakobrekla	Bugpowder where at	[17:03]
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taub	will stop around 76	[17:04]
taub	for a moment	[17:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1000 @ 0.05878437 = 58.7844 BTC [-]	[17:04]
Bugpowder	nevermind	[17:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1000 @ 0.0724339 = 72.4339 BTC [-]	[17:04]
Bugpowder	got moar	[17:04]
Bugpowder	If you will recall, last night I predicted we would break thru 75 between 15:00 and 15:30 today.	[17:05]
thestringpuller	remember what happened last time you tried to time the market...	[17:05]
KRS-1	lol	[17:05]
KRS-1	what happened	[17:06]
ThickAsThieves	gox suggested price stil frozen at 75	[17:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C710T] 1000 @ 0.0884358 = 88.4358 BTC	[17:06]
deadweasel	;;goxlag	[17:06]
gribble	87.806482 seconds	[17:06]
thestringpuller	!ticker m ^OIX	[17:06]
assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 51.26732239 / 69.81455463 / 71.07386247 (27706 shares, 6,570.16 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)	[17:06]
Bugpowder	thestringpuller: I made a shitload	[17:06]
thestringpuller	what about that time did a straddle	[17:07]
Bugpowder	that was not the last time	[17:07]
thestringpuller	lol	[17:07]
Bugpowder	most of my put strategies have been disasterous	[17:07]
thestringpuller	yah	[17:07]
taub	okay maybe not :)	[17:07]
thestringpuller	;;asks 80	[17:07]
gribble	There are currently 4840.9168 bitcoins offered at or under 80.0 USD, worth 380818.295732 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 96.6348 seconds	[17:08]
thestringpuller	;;bids 74	[17:08]
gribble	There are currently 943.62198 bitcoins demanded at or over 74.0 USD, worth 70879.543115 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 111.1004 seconds	[17:08]
taub	wow	[17:08]
thestringpuller	;;bids 70	[17:08]
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Bowjob	we'll reach 100 in early april	[17:08]
gribble	There are currently 5820.2281 bitcoins demanded at or over 70.0 USD, worth 418623.359516 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0068 seconds	[17:08]
taub	quite the move despite that imbalance	[17:08]
taub	well alright not that much	[17:08]
Bugpowder	Bowjob we will hit 96 this week	[17:08]
thestringpuller	lol more money movin into gox	[17:08]
taub	80 today	[17:08]
taub	ez	[17:08]
Bugpowder	I hope :)	[17:08]
thestringpuller	miners start ya engines	[17:08]
ThickAsThieves	77?	[17:08]
Bowjob	we will	[17:08]
Bugpowder	I dunno about 100	[17:09]
Bowjob	i wish i have an mpex account	[17:09]
Bowjob	lol	[17:09]
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Bugpowder	why not use coiner?	[17:09]
thestringpuller	Powda	[17:09]
Bugpowder	coinbr?	[17:09]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[17:09]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 76.00000, Best ask: 76.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.80000, Last trade: 76.00000, 24 hour volume: 64448.06308381, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 75.00000, 24 hour vwap: 72.15001	[17:09]
Bowjob	can coinbr do options?	[17:09]
thestringpuller	!ticker m S.MPOE	[17:09]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00063656 / 0.00065889 / 0.00068342 (339572 shares, 223.74 BTC), 7D: 0.00063656 / 0.00070239 / 0.00077505 (2216783 shares, 1,557.07 BTC), 30D: 0.00061614 / 0.00072046 / 0.00078628 (32186956 shares, 23,189.72 BTC)	[17:09]
ThickAsThieves	yes	[17:09]
Bowjob	wtf i didnt know that	[17:09]
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Bowjob	coinbr	[17:09]
Bowjob	lol	[17:09]
Bowjob	kk	[17:09]
thestringpuller	what do you think mpoe bot will make this month?	[17:09]
Bugpowder	-20000	[17:09]
thestringpuller	:(	[17:09]
Bugpowder	seriously	[17:09]
Bowjob	but iw ont panick buy right now	[17:09]
Bowjob	lol	[17:09]
thestringpuller	bondholders are gonna take hit	[17:10]
Bugpowder	maybe -10000	[17:10]
ThickAsThieves	is there an MPex Options FAQ?	[17:10]
Bugpowder	there is a deep explaination by MPOE-PR on the forum	[17:10]
Bugpowder	if you have any specific questions I can answer	[17:10]
thestringpuller	MPOE stock will plummet then...	[17:10]
Bowjob	I told my friends and fam about bitcoin	[17:10]
Bugpowder	it already is trading down	[17:11]
Bowjob	parents are interested in it..	[17:11]
Bowjob	my friends are "meh" about it	[17:11]
Bugpowder	people may roll into S.DICE (I hope).	[17:11]
thestringpuller	yea until the earnings comes out.	[17:11]
thestringpuller	how do you know such a huge loss?	[17:11]
Chaang-Noi	76? :)	[17:11]
ThickAsThieves	basically i conceptually understand options, but not totally clear on which ones represent what on mpex	[17:11]
Chaang-Noi	i fucking love monday	[17:11]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[17:11]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 76.01234, Best ask: 76.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.88766, Last trade: 76.01234, 24 hour volume: 64448.06308381, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 75.00000, 24 hour vwap: 72.15001	[17:11]
ThickAsThieves	it hit 77 according to clarkmoody	[17:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 5 @ 0.06012379 = 0.3006 BTC [+]	[17:12]
thestringpuller	i should have bought calls	[17:12]
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Chaang-Noi	i really thought about it	[17:12]
thestringpuller	well i guess I still can	[17:12]
thestringpuller	hey mr. powda	[17:12]
Chaang-Noi	i talked to mp about is 75 calls	[17:12]
thestringpuller	could you proxy calls to smickles for me?	[17:12]
Chaang-Noi	i did not buy	[17:12]
thestringpuller	not many	[17:12]
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Chaang-Noi	i dont have an account, i refused the free one offered to me	[17:13]
thestringpuller	that was @ Bugpowder	[17:13]
Chaang-Noi	ok	[17:13]
Chaang-Noi	77.2	[17:13]
thestringpuller	!ticker m ^OIX	[17:13]
assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 51.26732239 / 69.81663654 / 71.0760242 (27711 shares, 6,570.46 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)	[17:13]
Bugpowder	sure	[17:13]
thestringpuller	;;bc,24prc	[17:14]
gribble	Error: "bc,24prc" is not a valid command.	[17:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 5 @ 0.0595729 = 0.2979 BTC [-]	[17:14]
thestringpuller	;;bc,24hrprc	[17:14]
gribble	Error: "bc,24hrprc" is not a valid command.	[17:14]
thestringpuller	whats that cimmad	[17:14]
thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc	[17:14]
Bugpowder	thestringpuller: I don't KNOW about that loss.... That is my general sense from the options flow this month	[17:14]
gribble	72.28	[17:14]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[17:15]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 76.05001, Best ask: 76.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.74999, Last trade: 76.03000, 24 hour volume: 64448.06308381, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 75.00000, 24 hour vwap: 72.15001	[17:15]
thestringpuller	well now is the time to make your bets	[17:15]
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Chaang-Noi	im more happy now than at 32	[17:15]
thestringpuller	Powda can I send you coin and you Push options to smickles	[17:15]
Bowjob	http://i.imgur.com/Jck5tQQ.png	[17:16]
Bugpowder	sure	[17:16]
Bugpowder	pm me the amount	[17:16]
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Chaang-Noi	im interested in next month 100 calls, what is the price	[17:17]
Chaang-Noi	and bugpowder you are a broker?	[17:17]
Bugpowder	no	[17:17]
Bugpowder	just a favor	[17:17]
thestringpuller	smickles is the broker	[17:18]
thestringpuller	or jurov via coinbr	[17:18]
Chaang-Noi	okay	[17:18]
Chaang-Noi	not a problem	[17:18]
Bowjob	I feel sorta bad for ATC	[17:18]
Chaang-Noi	ATC?	[17:19]
Bowjob	i lent him 3 coins at 59 per btc	[17:19]
Bowjob	the forum dude	[17:19]
Bowjob	ATC777	[17:19]
Chaang-Noi	oh you mean the guy who scammed you?	[17:19]
Bugpowder	lol	[17:19]
Chaang-Noi	77.7	[17:19]
Bowjob	jackpot	[17:19]
Bowjob	lol	[17:19]
Bowjob	ATC isnt a scammer	[17:19]
Bowjob	lol	[17:19]
Chaang-Noi	ok	[17:19]
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Bowjob	so.. how is ianbakewell gonna react to this	[17:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 4 @ 0.0595729 = 0.2383 BTC [-]	[17:20]
ColdHardMetal	poorly	[17:20]
Bowjob	77 BTC.. he shorted it at 34.5	[17:20]
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kakobrekla	isnt he a gonner?	[17:21]
ThickAsThieves	he still posts in forums	[17:21]
ThickAsThieves	i believe	[17:21]
Bowjob	i re read his thread.. ianbakewell.. his first payment is due on the 29th	[17:21]
Bowjob	he hasnt been online since the 4th	[17:22]
Chaang-Noi	CHM!	[17:24]
Chaang-Noi	he be a scammer	[17:24]
Bowjob	chm?	[17:24]
ColdHardMetal	??	[17:24]
Chaang-Noi	not CHM, he is a good guy,. ianbakewellis a clear scammer	[17:24]
Bowjob	i proposed a bet that hes gonna scam	[17:25]
Bowjob	idk	[17:25]
Chaang-Noi	CHM the 5th order of yours today	[17:25]
ColdHardMetal	well that's good. Hate to think I was sleep posting or something.	[17:25]
Bowjob	kako ignored my bet	[17:25]
Chaang-Noi	got*	[17:25]
ColdHardMetal	right on. tracking hasn't been updated. did you have to pay anything?	[17:25]
Chaang-Noi	thank you very much good sir cmh!	[17:25]
Chaang-Noi	chm	[17:25]
Chaang-Noi	yes	[17:25]
Chaang-Noi	30% taxes	[17:25]
ColdHardMetal	yeah. happens. prolly lowballed on the invoice though so maybe not too bad?	[17:26]
Chaang-Noi	btc 77.7	[17:26]
Chaang-Noi	its okay	[17:26]
Chaang-Noi	2000 baht or like 66$	[17:26]
Chaang-Noi	so 305 of that	[17:26]
Bugpowder	http://i.imgur.com/QtbTbnL.jpg	[17:26]
ColdHardMetal	oh, no worries then.	[17:26]
ColdHardMetal	better than Canada that's for sure.	[17:26]
Chaang-Noi	and really i dont pay taxes other than on goods like this so i dont give a fuck	[17:26]
Bugpowder	2 months ago people ridiculed me for preferring the coin on the right	[17:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 4 @ 0.06040495 = 0.2416 BTC [+]	[17:27]
Chaang-Noi	i think the hk people did the 200 baht valuation, if it was a thai i would have got 0	[17:27]
Chaang-Noi	not that it matters, i dont care	[17:27]
Chaang-Noi	thanks for the awesome order	[17:27]
ColdHardMetal	always a pleasure. let me know when you want to do that other thing.	[17:27]
Bowjob	i can see some rust	[17:28]
Bowjob	on that coin	[17:28]
Bowjob	its plated, right	[17:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 4 @ 0.06040495 = 0.2416 BTC [+]	[17:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 5 @ 0.06040495 = 0.302 BTC [+]	[17:30]
Bowjob	i like how im just chilling here, not going ballistic over the price anymore	[17:30]
Bowjob	does that mean im not a newbie?	[17:30]
Bowjob	i graduated from that shit. im hardened a bit nowadays	[17:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 3 @ 0.07431064 = 0.2229 BTC [+]	[17:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 3 @ 0.06040495 = 0.1812 BTC [+]	[17:33]
ThickAsThieves	whats the difference between C750T & C750N??	[17:34]
kakobrekla	;;goxlag	[17:34]
gribble	0 seconds	[17:34]
Bugpowder	dude I'm not a n00b and I am going ballistinc	[17:34]
Bugpowder	N is NEXT month	[17:34]
Bugpowder	T is THIS month	[17:34]
deadweasel	4.5K to go for $80	[17:35]
Bowjob	how much money are u making on this	[17:35]
KRS-1	going down it seems we've reached the peak eh	[17:35]
Bowjob	i might make a coin.br account	[17:35]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[17:35]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 77.28001, Best ask: 77.55643, Bid-ask spread: 0.27642, Last trade: 77.55643, 24 hour volume: 67673.58734707, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 72.92790	[17:35]
Bugpowder	KRS-1 its monday	[17:35]
Bugpowder	Top will be Thursday	[17:35]
Bowjob	our new high is 78	[17:35]
Bugpowder	Bowjob: I have no idea. We don't know where it willgo	[17:37]
Bugpowder	hopefully a lot	[17:37]
Chaang-Noi	77.93	[17:37]
Bugpowder	jesus	[17:37]
Chaang-Noi	78????	[17:37]
Bowjob	i'll read about coin.br later, not in a rush	[17:37]
Bugpowder	people keep putting up asks and they get swallowed in a minute	[17:38]
Bowjob	it must be loaded's client	[17:38]
Bowjob	so im not surprised	[17:38]
Chaang-Noi	bowjob no	[17:38]
Bugpowder	Bowjob: you need to act decisively when the market moves. BUT you also need to be sure about your strategy. There will be many more opportunities both up and down, so do more research first.	[17:38]
Bowjob	of course	[17:39]
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Bowjob	not in a rush. I just *yawn	[17:39]
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Chaang-Noi	bitcoinality says 78 coinlab says 79.99	[17:39]
Bowjob	buy and hold served me exceedingly well	[17:39]
Bowjob	survived the flahs crashes	[17:39]
Bowjob	lol	[17:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 3 @ 0.07508561 = 0.2253 BTC [+]	[17:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 3 @ 0.06107536 = 0.1832 BTC [+]	[17:39]
Chaang-Noi	buy and hold unless you are an expert who thinks he can beat otyher experts in a crazy bull market	[17:40]
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Bowjob	nah, im a novice bull	[17:40]
Bowjob	actually im more like an owl	[17:40]
Bowjob	i just sit there.. watching	[17:40]
Bugpowder	I have been buying calls at the bottom of the 24vwap following each flash crash	[17:40]
Bugpowder	has been a good strat this month	[17:41]
kakobrekla	still 73 on stamp	[17:41]
Bowjob	then i might become a hawk	[17:41]
smickles	;;calc 75/(1-1.061)	[17:41]
gribble	-1229.50819672	[17:41]
smickles	;;calc 75/(1-.061)	[17:41]
gribble	79.8722044728	[17:41]
Bugpowder	of course, the day that the crash does not bounce is the day the strat makes you lose big	[17:41]
Bowjob	the idea of puts scare the crap out of me	[17:42]
Chaang-Noi	bugpowder is a btc millionair! i hope we all will be as lucky soopn	[17:42]
Bowjob	we actually are all btc millionaires at some point in the future	[17:43]
Bugpowder	I am not a BTC millionaire	[17:43]
Bugpowder	I wish I was	[17:44]
Bowjob	you will be though	[17:44]
Bugpowder	I doubt it	[17:44]
Bugpowder	It is possible	[17:44]
smickles	boy did i come to the computer at a fun time	[17:44]
Bugpowder	but unlikely	[17:44]
Bowjob	eh.. how high can btc be	[17:44]
Bugpowder	smickles, I need your mpex key to push you thestringpuller's options purchase	[17:44]
Bugpowder	Bowjob: I will probably sell all the way up	[17:44]
Bowjob	mmhm	[17:45]
smickles	pm'd	[17:45]
Bugpowder	very grateful that I was so lucky my initial timing of purchase	[17:45]
deadweasel	Bugpowder: that has always seemed like the best strategry, %5 or so at each top	[17:45]
Bowjob	there wont be a need to sell it to usd	[17:45]
Bugpowder	($2.65!)	[17:45]
Bugpowder	deadweasel: yeah, I view it in terms of what am I comfortable holding in my total portfolio	[17:45]
deadweasel	clear your investment and some profits, keep in lots of BTC	[17:46]
Chaang-Noi	iv this where i club in ral live id give all of you one of my fine cigars from coldhardmetal	[17:46]
deadweasel	so you can't lose at that point, if BTC goes to $10,000, you won't be too sad.	[17:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 2 @ 0.06228867 = 0.1246 BTC [+]	[17:46]
deadweasel	if it goes to $.02 and stays, you won't be too sad	[17:46]
Bowjob	erik is gonna be a billionaire	[17:46]
Bowjob	heh	[17:46]
deadweasel	more power to him	[17:46]
Chaang-Noi	no shit god bless satoshi	[17:47]
Bowjob	you mean satoshi bless god	[17:47]
Bugpowder	I have sold 35%	[17:47]
deadweasel	lol Bowjob	[17:47]
Bugpowder	at $40-70	[17:47]
Chaang-Noi	i sold 5% to buy a truck	[17:47]
Chaang-Noi	i sold 2.5% to buy other goods	[17:47]
Bowjob	i spent like 10 btc on steam games	[17:47]
smickles	< deadweasel> so you can't lose at that point, if BTC goes to $10,000, you won't be too sad. << we've got to be near the top	[17:47]
deadweasel	Bugpowder, me too. Paid off debts, got some nice things, still have some btc!	[17:47]
deadweasel	win win win	[17:47]
TomServo	I hate you guys.	[17:48]
deadweasel	smickles: what top?	[17:48]
*	TomServo pouts.	[17:48]
Bowjob	tom whats the matter	[17:48]
smickles	deadweasel: the top of this rally	[17:48]
Bowjob	well, i held to my btcs.	[17:48]
Bowjob	so its win win win win	[17:48]
deadweasel	damn skippy!	[17:48]
deadweasel	:)	[17:48]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[17:48]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 77.39001, Best ask: 77.84999, Bid-ask spread: 0.45998, Last trade: 77.39001, 24 hour volume: 67656.49824912, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 72.99384	[17:48]
TomServo	I'm indecisive as hell. And I'm sick of listening to my GF bitch that I didn't buy in a $2 when she told me to.	[17:48]
smickles	jeez, did ianblackwell ever sort out his short?	[17:48]
Bowjob	who got an avalon 3 pre order today	[17:48]
Chaang-Noi	i have so many steam games, i never use them lol	[17:49]
Bowjob	chang, u got any	[17:49]
Bowjob	mhm	[17:49]
Chaang-Noi	im opnly asic miner on asics	[17:49]
Bowjob	i used to trade tf2 items	[17:49]
Bugpowder	75BTC for the preorders?	[17:49]
Bugpowder	fucking insane.	[17:49]
Bowjob	yeah	[17:49]
Bowjob	people flocked them	[17:49]
Bowjob	idk what happened now	[17:49]
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Chaang-Noi	Luke-Jr	[17:49]
Bowjob	seems that its out of stock	[17:50]
Chaang-Noi	if you were in kc id buy you suck a good bbq dinner	[17:50]
Bowjob	http://store.avalon-asics.com/?product=avalon-asic-unit	[17:50]
Luke-Jr	Chaang-Noi: does such a thing exist?	[17:51]
Chaang-Noi	?????????????	[17:52]
Luke-Jr	"good bbq" :p	[17:52]
Chaang-Noi	if ou dont like bbq why go to kc?	[17:52]
Luke-Jr	BFL	[17:52]
Bowjob	i made a deal with my friend, id sell him a BTC for $38 as long as he watches this anime	[17:52]
Bowjob	im regretting this shit now	[17:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 2 @ 0.06235953 = 0.1247 BTC [+]	[17:52]
Luke-Jr	lol	[17:52]
Chaang-Noi	id take you to golden koral best beef evar	[17:52]
Luke-Jr	lol	[17:53]
Luke-Jr	there's Golden Corals everywhere	[17:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 16 @ 0.739 = 11.824 BTC [-]	[17:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.74485 = 2.2346 BTC [+]	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.74489999 = 3.7245 BTC [+]	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.755 BTC [+]	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.78499 = 3.14 BTC [+]	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.785 = 2.355 BTC [+]	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.7854321 = 7.8543 BTC [+]	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.789 = 7.89 BTC [+]	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 26 @ 0.7891 = 20.5166 BTC [+]	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.7894 = 3.947 BTC [+]	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	buy!!!	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.78998 = 15.7996 BTC [+]	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 15 @ 0.78999 = 11.8499 BTC [+]	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.78999999 = 3.95 BTC [+]	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.79 = 3.95 BTC [+]	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.791 = 15.82 BTC [+]	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.798 = 6.384 BTC [+]	[17:54]
Bowjob	wow	[17:54]
Bowjob	coulda flipped some VTX by now	[17:54]
Chaang-Noi	Luke Jr i mean Golden Ox	[17:54]
Bowjob	tsk	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	ive been flipping em	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	still have 28 vtx	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[17:54]
Bowjob	remind me next time I read a prospectus	[17:54]
Bowjob	and decide they werent..	[17:55]
Chaang-Noi	Luke-Jr i mean Golden Ox	[17:55]
Bowjob	if the demand is high, it doesnt mean shit	[17:55]
Bowjob	buy buy buy	[17:55]
Bowjob	lol	[17:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 9 @ 0.798 = 7.182 BTC [+]	[17:55]
Chaang-Noi	;;asks 80	[17:57]
gribble	There are currently 4442.5939 bitcoins offered at or under 80.0 USD, worth 352404.14014 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds	[17:57]
Bowjob	its just a matter of time	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 79.9	[17:57]
gribble	There are currently 2636.7019 bitcoins offered at or under 79.9 USD, worth 207956.462558 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 49.5111 seconds	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	sill walls	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	silly	[17:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 2 @ 0.06235953 = 0.1247 BTC [+]	[17:58]
Bowjob	someone sold an avalon for local pickup today	[17:59]
Bowjob	20k	[17:59]
smickles	;;asks 80.01	[17:59]
gribble	There are currently 4723.6273 bitcoins offered at or under 80.01 USD, worth 374591.701778 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0019 seconds	[17:59]
smickles	;;asks 80.00001	[17:59]
gribble	There are currently 4470.0773 bitcoins offered at or under 80.00001 USD, worth 354305.197778 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 5.9075 seconds	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	wall is at 79.95	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	1186btc	[18:00]
Bowjob	yawn,,	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	then 893@80	[18:00]
Bowjob	i should get a fiat paying job	[18:00]
Bowjob	like 10.25 is the min wage here, that sucks tho	[18:01]
Chaang-Noi	if you hold btc 10 fiat seems like shit	[18:01]
Chaang-Noi	if not 10 is good	[18:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.799 = 2.397 BTC [+]	[18:01]
thestringpuller	;;tickee	[18:02]
gribble	Error: "tickee" is not a valid command.	[18:02]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[18:02]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 77.31000, Best ask: 77.49999, Bid-ask spread: 0.18999, Last trade: 77.31000, 24 hour volume: 67785.81682594, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.04756	[18:02]
thestringpuller	whoaaaa	[18:02]
Bowjob	well	[18:02]
Bowjob	i thought 10.25 was shit in the first place.	[18:03]
Bowjob	even before i bought btc	[18:03]
Bowjob	i live in vancouver remember. $100 meals arent uncommon here	[18:03]
jcpham	that's crazy because i just ate for free for three days	[18:04]
jcpham	i have a full time job and so does my wife	[18:04]
jcpham	and i do this bitcoiin thing	[18:04]
unbalanced	Bowjob do you trade BTC all day or are you a dev?	[18:04]
Bowjob	i just hold btc, waiting for an asic so i can be a miner	[18:04]
thestringpuller	;;asks 80	[18:04]
gribble	There are currently 4358.0447 bitcoins offered at or under 80.0 USD, worth 345629.399311 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 55.4468 seconds	[18:04]
unbalanced	Ah	[18:05]
Bowjob	i have plenty of fiat still	[18:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 2 @ 0.06323144 = 0.1265 BTC [+]	[18:05]
Bowjob	im gonna be looking for a job soon, not for money tho	[18:05]
Bowjob	to keep me from getting bored	[18:05]
Bowjob	hehehe	[18:05]
thestringpuller	LOL	[18:05]
thestringpuller	;;calc 0.24	[18:05]
gribble	0.24	[18:05]
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Bowjob	i wanna work at a nursery, but they are still not hiring	[18:06]
thestringpuller	;;calc 0.25 / 5	[18:06]
gribble	0.05	[18:06]
thestringpuller	;;calc 0.24 / 5	[18:06]
gribble	0.048	[18:06]
jcpham	a few more years and i can retire	[18:06]
jcpham	2 mortgages left	[18:06]
thestringpuller	;;calc 0.24 / 4	[18:06]
gribble	0.06	[18:06]
jcpham	then i'm set	[18:06]
Bowjob	well.. if btc really gets mainstream	[18:07]
Bowjob	i can retire at 21	[18:07]
Bowjob	ill be bored as hell though, i've been thinking of opening a food cart.	[18:07]
Bowjob	i love downtown vancouver, the food is delicious	[18:07]
smickles	;;asks 80	[18:08]
gribble	There are currently 4346.8642 bitcoins offered at or under 80.0 USD, worth 344766.935198 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0020 seconds	[18:08]
Bowjob	you get burberry, hermes and louis vuitton in one area	[18:08]
Bowjob	crazy expensive shit	[18:08]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[18:08]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 77.41001, Best ask: 77.60000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18999, Last trade: 77.60000, 24 hour volume: 67940.36996472, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.05935	[18:08]
smickles	burberry and hermes sound like bad things that happen to you anus	[18:08]
smickles	80	[18:09]
smickles	all time high	[18:09]
Diablo-D3	!ticker	[18:09]
assbot	Have you got any tobacco?	[18:09]
Diablo-D3	;;ticker	[18:09]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 77.31002, Best ask: 77.41000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09998, Last trade: 77.41000, 24 hour volume: 67943.37808993, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.06120	[18:09]
Bowjob	so suppose i work for 10.25 an hour	[18:09]
smickles	via bitcoinity.org	[18:09]
Bowjob	that is 0.13 BTC per hour	[18:09]
Diablo-D3	it needs to go to 1000	[18:09]
Diablo-D3	so I can start dmc 2.0 :<	[18:09]
Bowjob	my asic would make more than me in a day LOL	[18:09]
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thestringpuller	;;bids 75	[18:10]
gribble	There are currently 2331.6221 bitcoins demanded at or over 75.0 USD, worth 176991.637839 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0065 seconds	[18:10]
thestringpuller	;;bids 70	[18:10]
gribble	There are currently 7397.5795 bitcoins demanded at or over 70.0 USD, worth 539621.235992 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 10.8616 seconds	[18:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 2 @ 0.06342697 = 0.1269 BTC [+]	[18:11]
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thestringpuller	wow	[18:13]
smickles	oh, lol, that was on bitfloor	[18:14]
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unbalanced	Bowjob: baby nursery or tree nursery? Food cart would be cool. You could have a bitcoin IPO, all the cool kids are doin' it.	[18:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01965 BTC [+]	[18:15]
Bowjob	tree nursery	[18:16]
Bowjob	fuck babies	[18:16]
Bowjob	all they do is take a shit	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	.lol	[18:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.344 = 1.032 BTC [+]	[18:16]
Bowjob	i used to work at tree nursery, chill jo	[18:16]
smickles	they bitch whey you don't feed them too	[18:16]
Bowjob	b	[18:16]
unbalanced	Don't worry, when they grow up one of them willl be changing your diaper.	[18:18]
unbalanced	It's the circle of life, man...	[18:18]
deadweasel	circle of shit	[18:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1 @ 0.07780924 BTC [+]	[18:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.06342697 BTC [+]	[18:18]
unbalanced	Which is eventually dust in the wind. Kansas had it right.	[18:19]
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unbalanced	"Biiiitts in the wiiinddd... all we are is bits in the wind..." Oh all right, I'll shuttie.	[18:20]
assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.0099 = 0.0198 BTC [+]	[18:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009899 BTC [+]	[18:22]
unbalanced	VTX looks like a rocket today at .799 but it's so low-volume if you try to sell 20 you'll only get 0.65 each.	[18:22]
unbalanced	That's only up 0.02 from avg .63 for sell 20 last night.	[18:23]
Chaang-Noi	sell 1 million usd is 71	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	post small ask walls	[18:24]
ThickAsThieves	on vtx instead	[18:24]
unbalanced	I want some but it'll crash if one person sells out in a big way.	[18:24]
Chaang-Noi	fuck no, im waitinf for $275	[18:24]
ThickAsThieves	buyers trickle thru the day	[18:24]
Chaang-Noi	ill sell 2.5% then, i dont need fiat for years	[18:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.06397253 BTC [+]	[18:25]
unbalanced	btw does assbot do the sell math on havelock?	[18:26]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[18:26]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 77.30000, Best ask: 77.30001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 77.30000, 24 hour volume: 68474.97889488, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.20713	[18:26]
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unbalanced	!help	[18:27]
assbot	List of commands:	[18:27]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}	[18:27]
assbot	!last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}	[18:27]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[18:27]
assbot	!rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}	[18:27]
assbot	!exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}	[18:27]
Ixitachil	!exchanges	[18:27]
unbalanced	!exchanges	[18:28]
Chaang-Noi	;;asks 78	[18:28]
gribble	There are currently 159.12113 bitcoins offered at or under 78.0 USD, worth 12377.2388344 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 40.0909 seconds	[18:28]
Chaang-Noi	;;asks 80	[18:28]
gribble	There are currently 4092.5737 bitcoins offered at or under 80.0 USD, worth 325569.234681 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 45.9052 seconds	[18:28]
Bowjob	ughh	[18:28]
Chaang-Noi	;;aks 100	[18:28]
gribble	Error: "aks" is not a valid command.	[18:28]
Bowjob	i can only find retail jobs	[18:28]
Bowjob	i hate uniforms	[18:28]
Chaang-Noi	;;asks 100	[18:28]
gribble	There are currently 25390.783 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 2333443.08551 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 72.5864 seconds	[18:28]
ThickAsThieves	should be 79.50 soon...	[18:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00063739 = 2.7408 BTC [-]	[18:29]
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Chaang-Noi	we have ath and killed the walls, im happy as fuck	[18:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3504 @ 0.00063656 = 2.2305 BTC [-]	[18:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3924 @ 0.00063583 = 2.495 BTC [-]	[18:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00063141 = 6.3141 BTC [-]	[18:30]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.06397144 BTC [-]	[18:31]
Chaang-Noi	;;asks 78	[18:32]
gribble	There are currently 104.9359 bitcoins offered at or under 78.0 USD, worth 8173.67745538 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0013 seconds	[18:33]
Chaang-Noi	104!	[18:33]
Chaang-Noi	and its a monday?	[18:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.344 BTC [+]	[18:33]
Bowjob	chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang	[18:34]
Bowjob	u scared me	[18:34]
Bowjob	i thought 104 dollars	[18:34]
Bowjob	now	[18:34]
Bowjob	lol	[18:34]
deadweasel	KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!	[18:34]
deadweasel	www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54	[18:35]
Chaang-Noi	selloff	[18:37]
Chaang-Noi	76	[18:37]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[18:37]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 76.05001, Best ask: 76.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.44999, Last trade: 76.50000, 24 hour volume: 69393.78917534, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.30885	[18:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.797 = 1.594 BTC [-]	[18:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.797 BTC [-]	[18:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.06397144 BTC [-]	[18:38]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[18:40]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 75.75000, Best ask: 75.80187, Bid-ask spread: 0.05187, Last trade: 75.75000, 24 hour volume: 69551.19685202, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.31525	[18:40]
Bowjob	wow	[18:40]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[18:41]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 75.67405, Best ask: 75.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02595, Last trade: 75.70000, 24 hour volume: 69551.19685202, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.31525	[18:41]
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deadweasel	;;goxlag	[18:42]
gribble	42.9828 seconds	[18:42]
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Bowjob	;;ticker	[18:44]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 74.76875, Best ask: 75.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.23125, Last trade: 74.76875, 24 hour volume: 69551.19685202, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.31525	[18:44]
Bowjob	sell off	[18:44]
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ThickAsThieves	12:43pm gox suggested bid = 76, lets see how long it freezes there,	[18:45]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[18:45]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 74.20000, Best ask: 75.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.80000, Last trade: 74.20000, 24 hour volume: 69551.19685202, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.31525	[18:45]
Bowjob	;;goxlag	[18:45]
gribble	164.172555 seconds	[18:45]
Bowjob	oh	[18:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 6 @ 0.0099 = 0.0594 BTC [+]	[18:45]
Chaang-Noi	75:/	[18:46]
Chaang-Noi	;;ticker	[18:46]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 74.20000, Best ask: 75.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.80000, Last trade: 74.20000, 24 hour volume: 69551.19685202, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.31525	[18:46]
Chaang-Noi	fuck	[18:46]
smickles	74 is better than 30	[18:46]
Bowjob	i just lost $600	[18:47]
Bowjob	on paper profit	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	if you dont like the price, wait 10 minutes	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[18:48]
ThickAsThieves	gos suggested price and last price still frozen after 5min	[18:48]
ThickAsThieves	gox*	[18:48]
Bowjob	could this be a bull trap?	[18:48]
ThickAsThieves	its a goxtrap	[18:49]
deadweasel	^lol	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	;;goxlag	[18:49]
gribble	202.260145 seconds	[18:49]
deadweasel	:D	[18:49]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[18:50]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 74.40240, Best ask: 74.76845, Bid-ask spread: 0.36605, Last trade: 74.76845, 24 hour volume: 69551.19685202, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.31525	[18:50]
Bowjob	still	[18:50]
Bowjob	lol	[18:50]
ThickAsThieves	cmon this has got to be price manipulation by gox	[18:50]
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Bowjob	http://coinlab.com/	[18:50]
Bowjob	try here	[18:50]
Bowjob	i see it at 74.90	[18:50]
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Bugpowder	thestringpuller: are you still here	[18:50]
ThickAsThieves	still 76 suggested price at gox	[18:50]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[18:51]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 74.36000, Best ask: 74.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.54000, Last trade: 74.90000, 24 hour volume: 69551.19685202, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.31525	[18:51]
Bowjob	coinlab works	[18:51]
Bowjob	the price is 74.90	[18:51]
Bowjob	75	[18:51]
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ThickAsThieves	the 76 suggested price came in an instant while trading was brisk at 77	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	then froze there	[18:51]
DeaDTerra1	Starcraft 2 tournament tonight, with a BTC prize pool :D Come join us and have some fun http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1az4y1/starcraft_hots_sitngo_tournaments_for_bitcoin/	[18:52]
Bowjob	come on bulls, beat the bears	[18:52]
Chaang-Noi	;;asks 75	[18:52]
gribble	There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 75.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0016 seconds	[18:52]
Chaang-Noi	;;asks 76	[18:52]
gribble	There are currently 1020.0341 bitcoins offered at or under 76.0 USD, worth 77319.2920647 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 7.9433 seconds	[18:52]
ThickAsThieves	10min now at 76 suggested bid	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	k it unfroze	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	lets see if price pops	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	up	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	froze again, along with coinlab	[18:55]
Bowjob	"A more complex password is required. This can be done in several ways, such as joining the words of a phrase together or combining the first letters of each word.	[18:55]
Bowjob	fuck u apple and ur password shit	[18:55]
Bowjob	bitch ass nigga... i cant make an easy password	[18:55]
Bowjob	stupid tim cook	[18:55]
ThickAsThieves	and clicking your heels 3 times	[18:55]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[18:57]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 75.80000, Best ask: 75.80187, Bid-ask spread: 0.00187, Last trade: 75.80187, 24 hour volume: 71695.91851673, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.39370	[18:57]
Bowjob	back to normal	[18:57]
ThickAsThieves	stuck at 76 again	[18:57]
ThickAsThieves	bleh i'm done gawking	[18:58]
Bowjob	coinlab works for me	[18:58]
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ThickAsThieves	i mean gox suggested price	[18:58]
ThickAsThieves	it freezes	[18:58]
ThickAsThieves	seems to be leading price	[18:58]
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Bowjob	u know what	[18:58]
ThickAsThieves	rather than following it	[18:58]
Bowjob	fuck working	[18:58]
Bowjob	lol	[18:58]
ThickAsThieves	thats pretty much where i'm at	[18:59]
ThickAsThieves	i just looked at the clock saying i better get some work done today	[19:00]
ThickAsThieves	and was like wtf its 1-m	[19:00]
ThickAsThieves	1pm	[19:00]
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Bugpowder	Oh jeeze. Compare this to BFL's factory pictures.	[19:01]
Bugpowder	http://imgur.com/a/KPBTl/noscript	[19:01]
kakobrekla	yet you still need gloves to handle it	[19:02]
Chaang-Noi	the machinine is called Sam?	[19:02]
Garr255_Lappy	Bugpowder, yeah but now Avalon costs 75btc each!	[19:02]
Chaang-Noi	i mean S(and)M	[19:02]
Chaang-Noi	hi garr!	[19:03]
Bugpowder	Not buying at those prices	[19:03]
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Chaang-Noi	wait to $1000 to buy more	[19:03]
ThickAsThieves	these are Avalon labs?	[19:03]
Garr255_Lappy	hi goat	[19:03]
Bugpowder	yes	[19:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.818995 = 2.457 BTC [+]	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	how old is that kid anyway?	[19:04]
Garr255_Lappy	I remember him vaguely being two years older than me	[19:04]
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unbalanced	Bowjob: see http://xkcd.com/936/ (and you already came up with a couple of sets of three memorable words above)	[19:04]
Garr255_Lappy	not sure where that came from, but if I'm correct he's 19 :P	[19:04]
Chaang-Noi	the3se are not bfl labs lol	[19:06]
Bugpowder	That's avalon	[19:06]
Chaang-Noi	these are the labs they paid to make their shit	[19:06]
Bugpowder	^^ exactly	[19:06]
Bugpowder	benefits to being in china	[19:06]
Chaang-Noi	no one in btc land owns the machines	[19:06]
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Chaang-Noi	i dnt care who took the photos	[19:06]
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Garr255_Lappy	yup	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	soo what's new	[19:08]
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Bugpowder	78	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[19:09]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 75.50001, Best ask: 76.27129, Bid-ask spread: 0.77128, Last trade: 77.00000, 24 hour volume: 72307.04792886, 24 hour low: 68.50000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.42654	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	ha. nice.	[19:09]
Bugpowder	broke thru at 15:02	[19:09]
Bugpowder	not a bad prediction	[19:09]
kakobrekla	dat gmt?	[19:09]
Bugpowder	yup	[19:10]
kakobrekla	last two then mp.	[19:10]
Bugpowder	so... $81 at this time tomorrow?	[19:10]
Bugpowder	or sooner	[19:11]
Bugpowder	that is the question	[19:11]
smickles	back to 77, eh?	[19:13]
Bugpowder	yeah	[19:13]
Bugpowder	so... 40% haircut for cyprus?	[19:13]
Bugpowder	over 100k	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	yeah. 8 i mean 20 i mean 40%	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	1 day bank holiday i mean 3 i mean 2 weeks	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	won't happen again one off thing i mean one off thing each country i mean monthly from now on	[19:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.065682 BTC [+]	[19:14]
jurov	and still... certain people freaked out about notion to convert all fiat income into btc	[19:15]
jurov	and convert back only as necessary	[19:15]
jurov	amirite, tiberiusiv?	[19:16]
kakobrekla	well the problem that im seeing now is if banks close its harder to liquidate coins	[19:16]
kakobrekla	you need go p2p cash	[19:16]
kakobrekla	which might not be as convinient	[19:16]
jurov	it's not convenient but always possible	[19:17]
kakobrekla	its possible but you should have some buffer in cash	[19:17]
jurov	that's my irl experience, converting couple hundred btc eveny 2wk is absolutely not a problem	[19:18]
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jurov	*coupe hundred euros i mean	[19:18]
kakobrekla	yes its not a problem	[19:18]
kakobrekla	until the banks are closed	[19:18]
kakobrekla	:)	[19:18]
jurov	i mean, in cash	[19:19]
kakobrekla	you cant get if off bitstamp	[19:19]
kakobrekla	a ok	[19:19]
kakobrekla	yes its doable	[19:19]
kakobrekla	just not as convinient - for me.	[19:19]
jurov	ofc, i prefer to do it via bank anytime possible	[19:19]
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TomServo	Anyone know the story on this: http://pastebin.com/Cxd64VtV ?	[19:20]
jurov	but the point is doing by localbitcoins isn't so big hassle	[19:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.06595317 BTC [+]	[19:21]
deadweasel	course at that point aren't supposed to abide by the FinCen guidlines, you would be money transmitter..	[19:21]
deadweasel	lol, I accidentally a couple words	[19:21]
Bugpowder	deadweasel: even <$1000/day?	[19:22]
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jurov	haha, slovak financial office will wake up about it in next decade maybe	[19:22]
deadweasel	i'd have to re-read, I thought any amount into USD.	[19:22]
Bugpowder	I read it that if you keep sales to < $1000 day its ok	[19:22]
Bugpowder	but it seemed that there was some conflicting language	[19:22]
Bugpowder	about exceptions	[19:22]
smickles	deadweasel: yeah, but not everyone is 'merican	[19:22]
deadweasel	so, 10BTC per day ;) I'll go re-read that.	[19:22]
deadweasel	lucky smickles	[19:23]
smickles	not lucky smickles, lucky jurov	[19:23]
deadweasel	from what enlightened country do you hail from, jurov	[19:23]
deadweasel	?	[19:23]
smickles	and kakobrekla	[19:23]
smickles	and a good many others here	[19:23]
deadweasel	well, I'm holding out for revolution, I won't leave yet.	[19:23]
deadweasel	Although I've never lived more than a few hours drive from either canada or mexico	[19:24]
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deadweasel	i like options.	[19:24]
deadweasel	!= OIX	[19:24]
smickles	$vwap oix	[19:24]
deadweasel	anyway, i'll deal with being a money transmitter if I ever need to.	[19:24]
mpexbot	smickles: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 69.84225586 high: 71.09794195 low: 51.2906147 volume: 27746 btc: 6572.62564493 30 day: no data	[19:24]
Chaang-Noi	:)	[19:26]
deadweasel	;;ticker	[19:28]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 76.60000, Best ask: 76.74999, Bid-ask spread: 0.14999, Last trade: 76.60000, 24 hour volume: 73428.60406774, 24 hour low: 69.20000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.54512	[19:28]
deadweasel	;;goxlag	[19:28]
gribble	1.493887 seconds	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	btw Bugpowder seen http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/smpoe-market-cap-vs-sdice-market-cap/ ?	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	TomServo seems like trollish nonsense to me.	[19:29]
Bugpowder	mircea_popescu: I suspect we will see a rotation out of S.MPOE this month.	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	possibly	[19:31]
Bugpowder	if my intuition about MPOE performance is correct	[19:31]
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Bugpowder	this BTC price is really tough for S.DICE to overcome though. But its good for MPOE	[19:33]
Bugpowder	or neutral	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	"close to 30 million usd notional trade this month"	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	sounds pretty good to me.	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	plenty of markets don't get 1mn a day	[19:33]
Bugpowder	yea. Approaching 400,000 contracts right?	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[19:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.06621708 BTC [+]	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	it's getting to where im starting to smell the offers tbh.	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	smell the offers?	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	mpex happens to be the PERFECT way for a bank to develop it's own in house btc-fiat trading system	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	propped against mpex, guaranteed success.	[19:36]
Bugpowder	oh you...	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	one way to eat everyone's cake, seeing how coinbases of the world can't compete.	[19:36]
Bugpowder	propping the price with the ole buyout rumor...	[19:36]
Bugpowder	you should send a tip to Cramer	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	nah, there won't be a buyout	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder i been sendin' tips.	[19:37]
Bugpowder	sheeeit	[19:37]
Bugpowder	;;ticker	[19:37]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 76.00000, Best ask: 77.01000, Bid-ask spread: 1.01000, Last trade: 75.50000, 24 hour volume: 73639.35968273, 24 hour low: 69.25000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.57049	[19:37]
Bugpowder	lagged	[19:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.98 BTC [+]	[19:37]
Bugpowder	73	[19:38]
deadweasel	;;goxlag	[19:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00312 BTC [+]	[19:38]
gribble	157.509317 seconds	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	lmap	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	$mpexlag	[19:38]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: 0.109438180923 seconds	[19:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1077 @ 0.00311 = 3.3495 BTC [-]	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	dun dun dun	[19:38]
Bugpowder	72	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if this'll ever get old.	[19:38]
Bugpowder	71.8	[19:38]
Bugpowder	bottom	[19:38]
Bugpowder	couldn't even trigger the OH NOES cartoon on bitcoinity	[19:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00311 BTC [-]	[19:39]
Bugpowder	oh shit!	[19:40]
Bugpowder	That selloff was from half the wall at 80 selling to market :)	[19:40]
deadweasel	so normal exchanges have high speed connections to hig profile brokerages. These things don't break like this. There is in opportunity to improve this.	[19:40]
Bugpowder	;;asks 80	[19:40]
gribble	There are currently 5535.7599 bitcoins offered at or under 80.0 USD, worth 438703.38709 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0019 seconds	[19:40]
Bugpowder	YES.	[19:40]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 70	[19:40]
gribble	There are currently 2614.6875 bitcoins demanded at or over 70.0 USD, worth 184818.944829 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 10.4289 seconds	[19:40]
jurov	deadweasel yes there is something like that already ;)	[19:41]
deadweasel	the answer feels like it's going to be obvious........	[19:41]
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mircea_popescu	deadweasel yea.	[19:41]
smickles	deadweasel: bitfloor was doing that, but people lost confidence in it after a theft	[19:41]
smickles	oh, and mpex owns all	[19:41]
deadweasel	mircea_popescu: is that what you are doing with the OIX?	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	"that" ?	[19:42]
deadweasel	well, no lag at mpex, 2 minutes at gox.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	i got better hardware.	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	must not be enough incentive for gox to fix the problem	[19:43]
Bugpowder	its not a fair comparison ATM	[19:43]
Bugpowder	compare with the same order load	[19:44]
deadweasel	considering volume...	[19:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.06622534 BTC [+]	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder you don't see the stat/cancel/bid cycle	[19:44]
Bugpowder	lag is non-linear with load	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	i think there's more load on mpex than mtgox atm.	[19:44]
Bugpowder	hmmm	[19:44]
jurov	ddos still going?	[19:45]
Bugpowder	I dunno... lots of micro txns.	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	also http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/128220157798.jpg	[19:45]
Bugpowder	on gox	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	jurov nope, subsided.	[19:45]
deadweasel	O.BTCUSD.C750T -- if I bought one of those, what does that mean?	[19:45]
Bugpowder	god damn it.	[19:45]
Bugpowder	call struck at 75 expiring friday	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel it means you're long btc	[19:45]
Bugpowder	break even is about 80.	[19:45]
Bugpowder	;;goxlag	[19:46]
gribble	301.313038 seconds	[19:46]
deadweasel	so if I bough that, I could buy BTC at 75$ up til friday?	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	nominally.	[19:47]
Bugpowder	you could exercise it for (24vwap - $75) / 24vwap till midnight friday	[19:47]
smickles	;;bc,24hprc	[19:47]
gribble	73.42	[19:47]
Bugpowder	actaully 24hprc, not 24vwap	[19:48]
ThickAsThieves	gox is like imma let you finish, but...	[19:48]
smickles	right now, it's out of the money tho	[19:48]
Bugpowder	but the spot price is ITM	[19:48]
Bugpowder	so the option is potentially underpriced	[19:48]
deadweasel	spot price is ITM?	[19:48]
Bugpowder	depending if you believe 24hprc is going to go to the spot	[19:49]
smickles	in the money (if that's what you're asking)	[19:49]
Bugpowder	spot is $76	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	73 < 75 neh ?	[19:49]
Bugpowder	;;ticker	[19:49]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 75.95000, Best ask: 76.27129, Bid-ask spread: 0.32129, Last trade: 75.60270, 24 hour volume: 73639.35968273, 24 hour low: 69.25000, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.57049	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	aok	[19:49]
Bugpowder	by spot I mean last trade.	[19:49]
deadweasel	so lets say 24hrprc is $80... (80-75)/80 = .0625	[19:50]
Bugpowder	yes	[19:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4314 @ 0.00062626 = 2.7017 BTC [-]	[19:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.0006289 = 1.132 BTC [+]	[19:50]
Bugpowder	so current ask on the 750s is .66	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	what it went back up ?	[19:50]
Bugpowder	.066	[19:50]
smickles	$depth c750t	[19:51]
mpexbot	smickles: O.BTCUSD.C750T Bids: ['1 @ 0.06615541', '1000 @ 0.0398513']	[19:51]
Bugpowder	;;calc (81-75)/81	[19:51]
mpexbot	smickles: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.06621656', '5 @ 0.0869', '9 @ 0.08826052']	[19:51]
gribble	0.0740740740741	[19:51]
Bugpowder	;;calc (80.2-75)/80.2	[19:51]
gribble	0.0648379052369	[19:51]
Bugpowder	yah, you need 24vwap to hit 80.3 to make a profit from exercise	[19:51]
Bugpowder	though the MPOE bot always pays a time premium over the current 24hprc with its bids	[19:52]
deadweasel	ok, so you want your (24hvwap - 75) >= price of option?	[19:52]
Bugpowder	so exercise only makes sense if you have >>1000 contracts and want to dump fast, or the bot is down (last 24 hrs of the month).	[19:52]
deadweasel	oops, divided by the 24hrvwap	[19:53]
Bugpowder	24hprc.... volume weighted across all exchanges	[19:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.0006289 = 9.8108 BTC [+]	[19:53]
Bugpowder	from here : http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/currencies/	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/introducing-the-oix/	[19:54]
deadweasel	ok, i think I see.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	see the notes, calculations explained in there.	[19:54]
deadweasel	oh, thx mircea_popescu	[19:54]
topace	!ticker h vtx	[19:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.63210000 / 0.76199 / 0.79900000 (338 shares, 257.55262083 BTC), 7D: 0.38280000 / 0.41597608 / 0.79900000 (10987 shares, 4570.32919395 BTC), 30D: 0.38280000 / 0.41597608 / 0.79900000 (10987 shares, 4570.32919395 BTC)	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	jurov the way i figure it, either attacker is defeated and depressed or else we see a new blast in a week or two.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	the current one didn't work.	[19:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [-]	[19:56]
smickles	ya know, i throw about 12 commands at mpex all at once	[19:57]
smickles	BAM	[19:57]
smickles	all the f-ing time. I can't be the only one	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	you're not	[19:58]
Bugpowder	i do too, occasionally.	[19:59]
jborkl	holy shit transactions are slow to get into blocks today	[19:59]
kakobrekla	oh and i was just about to bug mp one of these days to add multi op	[20:01]
kakobrekla	is there a manual for it	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	there's no real advantage to multiop	[20:02]
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smickles	kakobrekla: i just use threadding in my code	[20:03]
kakobrekla	can i do a few CANCEL\|N in several lines and signcrypt that?	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	nope	[20:03]
kakobrekla	that would be nice	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[20:03]
kakobrekla	cause i do stuff manually	[20:03]
thestringpuller	!ticker m ^OIX	[20:03]
assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 51.2906147 / 69.84313456 / 71.09885312 (27748 shares, 6,572.76 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	yeah, but it'd just need more code to decide if you've got lines or wtf.	[20:03]
kakobrekla	uh?	[20:04]
kakobrekla	its one exlode new line	[20:04]
kakobrekla	and then foreach commands	[20:04]
kakobrekla	explode*	[20:04]
kakobrekla	basic stuff	[20:04]
ThickAsThieves	;;goxlag	[20:04]
gribble	13.344597 seconds	[20:04]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[20:04]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 74.20000, Best ask: 74.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 74.25000, 24 hour volume: 78120.01656022, 24 hour low: 69.51777, 24 hour high: 78.00000, 24 hour vwap: 73.67017	[20:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49999999 BTC [+]	[20:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5000001 BTC [+]	[20:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00062546 = 6.067 BTC [-]	[20:11]
Bugpowder	;;bids 0	[20:16]
gribble	There are currently 36901808 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 6991511.75172 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0205 seconds	[20:16]
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*	PsychoticBoy_ (~psychotic@5ED180CA.cm-7-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:18]
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*	awkorama1 is now known as awkorama	[20:18]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.818995 BTC [+]	[20:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.344 BTC [+]	[20:25]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GOLD] 2 @ 0.202 = 0.404 BTC [-]	[20:29]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 79.94	[20:30]
gribble	There are currently 6216.5875 bitcoins offered at or under 79.94 USD, worth 483397.146716 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0021 seconds	[20:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 31 @ 0.009821 = 0.3045 BTC [-]	[20:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 74 @ 0.00982 = 0.7267 BTC [-]	[20:31]
DeaDTerra1	We are up and running tournament at sc2bt.com, Join us for a couple of games of starcraft with BTC prize pool :D	[20:33]
ThickAsThieves	;;bc,stats	[20:39]
gribble	Current Blocks: 227989 \| Current Difficulty: 6695826.282596251 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 229823 \| Next Difficulty In: 1834 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 6675621.2732 \| Estimated Percent Change: -0.30176	[20:39]
ThickAsThieves	:o	[20:39]
ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[20:39]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 6675621.2732 based on data since last change \| 7300703.18663 based on data for last three days	[20:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.332 BTC [-]	[20:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.33002 = 1.9801 BTC [-]	[20:41]
kakobrekla	avalons stopped working	[20:50]
kakobrekla	diff sinking	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	whoopsie	[20:51]
smickles	it's early :P	[20:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 53 @ 0.009899 = 0.5246 BTC [+]	[20:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 64 @ 0.009899 = 0.6335 BTC [+]	[20:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 455 @ 0.0099 = 4.5045 BTC [+]	[20:51]
smickles	"the price can not go up by 400% in only 10 weeks, price cannot go exponential."	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:52]
smickles	this guy has a keen grasp on reality	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	anyway, too much excitement for one day. catch y'all tomorrow	[20:53]
smickles	c'ya	[20:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4611 BTC [-]	[20:53]
*	Descry (~Descry@smart.twinriver.esu7.org) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:57]
kakobrekla	yay finally got a -10 in otc!	[20:58]
smickles	;;getrating kakobrekla	[20:58]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User kakobrekla, rated since Fri May 13 15:50:53 2011. Cumulative rating 89, from 55 total ratings. Received ratings: 54 positive, 1 negative. Sent ratings: 57 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=kakobrekla	[20:58]
smickles	scammer~!	[20:58]
deadweasel	lol	[20:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.4611 = 1.3833 BTC [-]	[20:58]
kakobrekla	was trying to avoid that supa guy but eh i guess it was inevitable	[20:59]
smickles	what did you do to piss off supadupajenkins?	[20:59]
kakobrekla	dunno he gets banned all the time everywhere	[20:59]
kakobrekla	perhaps i did it a couple of times too	[20:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.461 = 1.383 BTC [-]	[20:59]
kakobrekla	but im thinking	[21:00]
kakobrekla	he is behind recent spamming	[21:00]
smickles	lol, looking at his -10 list, it's like a who's who of -otc	[21:00]
kakobrekla	that was happening on the chans	[21:00]
[\]	he started with the highest rated people	[21:02]

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