Forum logs for 25 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu anyway. they sorta-read ba, mostly indirectly, and pretend like they're their own item. which is... you know, most people out there anyway. [00:00]
BingoBoingo trinque: Anyways compact pickup over KING MEGA RANCH 6500 because what if one needs to go to Mexico cheaply? [00:00]
asciilifeform dafuq is grabhive ? [00:00]
asciilifeform domain is defunct [00:00]
asciilifeform https://twitter.com/hivewallet << this apparently [00:01]
assbot Hive (@hivewallet) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQM7vk ) [00:01]
trinque BingoBoingo: yeah, I've got no love for those giant ones aside from their utility re: actual work [00:01]
trinque say you're hauling a literal shitload of horses, great [00:01]
mircea_popescu http://www.monitorulcj.ro/sport/47949-clujeanca-bianca-razor-s-a-calificat-in-semifinale-campionatului-mondial-de-atletism-la-proba-de-400-m << almost hawt chick. [00:01]
assbot Clujeanca Bianca Răzor s-a calificat în semifinalele Campionatului Mondial de atletism la proba de 400 m ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQMbLx ) [00:01]
BingoBoingo trinque: ANd for that purpose, gotta keep the cabin utilitarian so the help doesn't get temped to burn gas dicking around. [00:02]
* asciilifeform just had mindfuck moment, read the title of that piece without realizing what language it was in [00:02]
BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/UI3VIXn.png << USian 'Woman' [00:02]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQMgPl ) [00:02]
mircea_popescu ahahaha. broke fat louse has rulesets ? [00:03]
hanbot in latest ml adventure, rotor-test2 for i686 makes a static bitcoind that gives sigill w/ LC_ALL=C (and won't run w/o it): http://dpaste.com/0J6HXAH [00:03]
assbot dpaste: 0J6HXAH ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPX7Mk ) [00:03]
BingoBoingo ahahaha. broke fat louse has rulesets ? << They have the strictest rulesets sinc ethey aren't getting fucked outside of an accident. They pretend scarcity of opportunities is standards. [00:04]
mircea_popescu oh right. [00:05]
mircea_popescu i wonder who the fuck ever looked at her and thought "hey, i want her" [00:05]
mircea_popescu http://www.fanatik.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/22/udrea1.jpg << for the record, this is the ass of romania's EX president's ex private secretary woman. pretty competent politician too. [00:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPXlDl ) [00:06]
mircea_popescu she's like 50 [00:06]
BingoBoingo I really want to bring the filipinos USG pays for to USia to scrap the place collecting lipodiesel and biodiesel in the Iowan uranium mines. [00:08]
asciilifeform hanbot: plz build unstripped and post gdb trace ?? [00:08]
asciilifeform hanbot: or at least lemme have the binary [00:08]
asciilifeform (unstripped) [00:08]
asciilifeform stripped bin is gonna look like that paste, buncha ????s [00:09]
asciilifeform hanbot: dollars to doughnuts you built a x86-64 component and it somehow got linked ! [00:10]
asciilifeform this is betrayed by 'Illegal instruction.' [00:10]
* trinque hazards a guess it might've been db [00:11]
asciilifeform (i presume hanbot is actually testing on a machine running in 32-bit mode) [00:11]
asciilifeform trinque: a long-mode-only opcode got shuffled in, almost dead certain [00:11]
trinque makes sense [00:12]
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asciilifeform gcc linker is dumb as a brick, but we knew this. [00:13]
hanbot hanbot: dollars to doughnuts you built a x86-64 component and it somehow got linked ! << ah thanks. rather than cutting up binaries/recompiling with symbols i'm going to look at this, seems the more likely explanation. [00:13]
asciilifeform hanbot: you can examine your .o files with objdump [00:14]
asciilifeform hanbot: but i also gotta ask, why are you building a x86-32 bitcoind ? [00:14]
asciilifeform i mean, i can see arm-32 (pogo et al) or mips-32 [00:14]
asciilifeform but x86? [00:14]
mircea_popescu why not ? [00:15]
asciilifeform no especially heavy reason why not [00:15]
asciilifeform it's a curious first choice, that's all. [00:15]
mircea_popescu seems "nobody else did it" is a huge reason to. [00:16]
hanbot well, machine/os i've got for testing is what i've got for testing. why not, indeed. [00:16]
* asciilifeform ought to visit the place where he has a vintage sgi octane-II rusting away, and port to that [00:16]
asciilifeform 'FWIW adding SSL to the protocol is a fairly relatively non-invasive change. It might be worthwhile to implement that first as a means to test the developers you wish to hire to later implement partial mode.' << l0l!! [00:18]
BingoBoingo Do you have a free shiva hand for that? [00:18]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: sadly no [00:18]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I feel you there, my dosimeter has been peaked for a while [00:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86250 @ 0.00071368 = 61.5549 BTC [-] {4} [00:20]
asciilifeform 'Just so you know this stuff about Tor has me worried... Please don't make this public, but my day job involves intelligence, and I'm in a relatively high position. You know, I went into the job years ago with very different thoughts about it than I do now. The last, well, decade really has changed a lot of minds in this field, in totally different ways. Myself I am on the side of Snowden and Assange, but... lets just say when [00:20]
asciilifeform you have a family your willingness to be a martyr diminishes. The same is true of many of my colleagues. Hopefully my support for Bitcoin can help undo some of the damage we've done, but I do have to be careful and it's tough to take all the precautions I need to to be able to communicate. If it was found out that I was involved with Bitcoin that way I have been, let's just say there would be consequences...' [00:20]
mircea_popescu herpderp. [00:21]
mircea_popescu the blonde without a piece of paper saying breathe and the usian without his cockhead in his own mouth would just fall over and die. [00:22]
hanbot ldd bitcoin/src/bitcoind: /usr/bin/ldd: line 161: /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2: cannot execute binary file , ftr. [00:23]
asciilifeform 'We are unable to explain the true nature of these patches in public because they guard against absolutely terrible DoS exploits that can take down ANY Bitcoin node. So instead we called it, "Minor efficiency improvement in block peer request handling." which is somewhat true of the patch.' [00:23]
mats asciilifeform: I find this unbelievable [00:23]
asciilifeform mats: which? the gcc linker happily munching soup ? [00:24]
asciilifeform hanbot: there we go. [00:24]
mircea_popescu the linker wouldn't really have a way to know. [00:24]
asciilifeform actually linker oughtta know, the elf is marked [00:24]
asciilifeform but it is an old-fashioned tool, does not check that barrel is not pointed at your temple before whacking the firing pin. [00:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 1200 @ 0.0021 = 2.52 BTC [+] [00:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00071204 = 28.6952 BTC [-] {3} [00:25]
mats no, this 'dun tell anyone, but am intel worker and support snowden and afraid of consequences of bitcoin involvement' smells [00:25]
trinque the action movie phrasing of "let's just say..." overloads my bullshit-meter [00:25]
asciilifeform mats: a shill may well say it, to gain sympathy [00:26]
asciilifeform doesn't have to be true, ya know [00:26]
mats guess so [00:26]
asciilifeform doubleagent sop [00:26]
asciilifeform 'my boss is so mean' [00:26]
mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3i8dbn/8_failing_bitcoin_businesses_desperately_demand/ lol [00:27]
assbot 8 failing bitcoin businesses desperately demand computer code increase their stagnant userbase. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPZ1g4 ) [00:27]
* mircea_popescu mildly regrets having linked the turd sample. [00:27]
mircea_popescu is the timewaste at least enjoyable ? [00:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: surely [00:27]
mircea_popescu aok then [00:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and if you got any more of these, they are prolly likewise enjoyable. [00:28]
mircea_popescu you know you gotta work sometime! [00:28]
asciilifeform but i don't expect to find the launch codes in there, no. [00:28]
asciilifeform l0l [00:28]
asciilifeform 'gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 00000000' << win [00:28]
mircea_popescu breadcrumbs. [00:29]
asciilifeform shitcrumbs [00:29]
mircea_popescu to the true rabbit, shit is bread. [00:30]
asciilifeform aha [00:30]
asciilifeform mega-cacotroph [00:30]
hanbot asciilifeform so how do i tell linker not to link said item? or do i, even? [00:36]
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asciilifeform hanbot: problem is that something got built for x86-64 instead of x86 [00:41]
asciilifeform chances are, it was boost [00:41]
asciilifeform which has machine arch explicitly specified in stator.sh [00:41]
asciilifeform but could also be openssl, ditto [00:41]
asciilifeform hanbot: plz post your stator.sh [00:42]
deedbot- [Qntra] Concerns for the Toomim Brothers Mining - http://qntra.net/2015/08/concerns-for-the-toomim-brothers-mining/ [00:43]
hanbot http://dpaste.com/0W7W8YJ (in which ./Configure --prefix=$OURLIBS no-dso no-shared threads linux-x86_64 && make && make install_sw; , heh) [00:46]
assbot dpaste: 0W7W8YJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1V61Hrb ) [00:46]
asciilifeform hanbot: fix it then. [00:47]
hanbot mhm. [00:48]
asciilifeform hanbot: linux-x86 [00:48]
* hanbot puts a quarter in the dint'd raed jar [00:48]
gernika thestringpuller: "However it does rise the humidity of the surrounding air" - should be "raise" - http://qntra.net/2015/08/concerns-for-the-toomim-brothers-mining/ [00:49]
assbot Concerns for the Toomim Brothers Mining | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1V61TqC ) [00:49]
BingoBoingo gernika: fxd [00:50]
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BingoBoingo Win http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--GsVkysXZ--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1400215357088099761.png [01:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQ1ZRQ ) [01:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00071698 = 14.4113 BTC [+] [01:15]
mircea_popescu da fuck is that ? [01:17]
BingoBoingo A frat house on freshman move in day [01:17]
BingoBoingo They put out a polite invitation for the girls and their mums [01:18]
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mircea_popescu mmkay. [01:19]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [01:21]
gribble Current Blocks: 371413 | Current Difficulty: 5.425663032788996E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 372959 | Next Difficulty In: 1546 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 0 hours, 56 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [01:21]
mircea_popescu http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/priority-ashley-madison-leak-no-big-deal-think/ << shit i was wrong. [01:31]
assbot Ashley Madison Leak No Big Deal? Think Again ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJd7K9 ) [01:31]
mircea_popescu "Ironically, this is the second time I’ve run across Popescu in my writing. Popescu is a member of a group who call themselves “The Bitcoin Lordship,” who opposed a necessary increase in the Bitcoin block size for some very silly and shortsighted reasons. I remember thinking that he in particular was an ugly combination of paranoid, narcissistic, and downright mean. I now feel somewhat vindicated in that assessme [01:32]
mircea_popescu nt, and more than a little gratified that his blog seems to have shutdown in the ensuing mess." [01:32]
mircea_popescu herp ? [01:32]
mircea_popescu "Trust me: nothing of value was lost." [01:32]
mircea_popescu "The latest Tweets from Andre Infante (@AndreTI). FutureTech editor at MakeUseOf. Game developer. Future savior of humanity. New Mexico." [01:33]
mircea_popescu mmkay. [01:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00071723 = 15.2053 BTC [+] [01:35]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'if i say it three times, it is true!' (tm) (r) (lewis carroll) [01:38]
mircea_popescu still, derp gets the prize for paying attention. [01:39]
asciilifeform handler gets prize. [01:39]
asciilifeform derp - gets salary. [01:39]
BingoBoingo "I now feel somewhat vindicated in that assessment, and more than a little gratified that his blog seems to have shutdown in the ensuing mess." << IncrediLoL [01:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.00071796 = 31.8774 BTC [+] {3} [01:43]
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felipelalli mircea_popescu, just buy 5000 nodes and stop with this joke, please: http://www.xtnodes.com/ [02:09]
assbot XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lu6LBf ) [02:09]
BingoBoingo Can't even spell Andressen, can't even link qntra https://archive.is/zokeX [02:09]
assbot The Hard Fork: Will Bitcoin XT Take? - NASDAQ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lu6NJe ) [02:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu, just buy 5000 nodes and stop with this joke, please: http://www.xtnodes.com/ << But that wouldn't be very shiny and chrome [02:11]
assbot XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lu6LBf ) [02:11]
felipelalli BingoBoingo, lol I'm so ingenuous. Thank you! [02:11]
felipelalli I just forgot that. [02:12]
felipelalli BingoBoingo, but it would be funny. [02:13]
BingoBoingo felipelalli: But not maximally funny. Better to keep therealbitcoin gearing low nao to better handle rocks. Gotta get pwer from the flywheel to the ground to climb a mountain [02:14]
felipelalli They setup 3500 nodes in few minutes, low blow. [02:16]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo he prolly loaded it during a ddos bout or something [02:16]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There surprisingly hasn't been a qntra DoS that I have noticed since the XT'ening [02:17]
mircea_popescu felipelalli im not entirely sure what the fake node count does tbh. [02:17]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo or since some guy came in here and apologize about something vague [02:17]
BingoBoingo Well, onto the qntra comments for the same. These things happen with increasing frequency. [02:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58757 @ 0.00071113 = 41.7839 BTC [-] {2} [02:19]
mircea_popescu http://bitcoingriefers.com/rankings/ << 2nd! [02:24]
assbot Rankings | Bitcoin Griefers ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lu7d2v ) [02:24]
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BingoBoingo Above Pirateat40!!! [02:26]
BingoBoingo the 1418 is pretty weak though mircea_popescu, better fix that [02:28]
mircea_popescu i am the only "political prisoner" on the list so to speak. [02:29]
BingoBoingo lol [02:31]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: now you are #1 [02:35]
mircea_popescu lol ? [02:36]
mircea_popescu http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-21537-post-1096996.html#pid1096996 << kinda incredible how far bitcoin actually reaches. [02:36]
assbot The Bitcoin thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1U3BnRD ) [02:36]
mircea_popescu what do zerohedge, rooshv and whatever have in common ? a live interest in bitcoin [02:36]
mircea_popescu sorta like being a name in flying cca 1920, everyone's got a throught for you. [02:36]
mircea_popescu wait BingoBoingo is that you ? [02:39]
BingoBoingo Not that one, no [02:39]
BingoBoingo I am never apologetic to randos on the interwebz [02:41]
BingoBoingo So, I moved the Popescu, Ulbricht slate above the shitheads on that griefer site. No good reason why MP and RU should have low elo ratings. [02:47]
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mircea_popescu what am i gonna tell my mom! [02:51]
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BingoBoingo You won? [02:52]
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mircea_popescu hm. [02:52]
BingoBoingo I'm voting based on misery brought upon Derps, no moral consideration involved [02:52]
BingoBoingo Or is griefing not the act of bringing grief upon people/beoble [02:53]
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ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski not really my jam. [02:56]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:56]
mircea_popescu i have no idea lol. voting stuff. [02:56]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251096 << i actually ran into a client thing that looks 90% hand rolled [02:59]
assbot Logged on 25-08-2015 00:40:27; phf: is a standard answer to "howto in ruby?" "we use pegster gem with mustashbar extension, though lately we've been migrating to fellater gem" [02:59]
ben_vulpes has been limping along since 2007 [02:59]
ben_vulpes ghost galleon in orbit. everyone fears it and doesn't know how it works. [02:59]
* mircea_popescu wonders if fellater gem is actually a thing [03:09]
ben_vulpes 'factory girl' is close [03:09]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i'll be puzzling over that quiz for a bit. wonderful fun! [03:11]
ben_vulpes i'd probably sweat through a shirt taking it [03:11]
mircea_popescu make sure you reload it sometime tomorrow just in case i actually wake up with any ideas. [03:11]
* BingoBoingo seriously suggests biology section [03:12]
mircea_popescu it does give me a taste of a very old yet apparently not forgotten "you are not expected to understand this" day at special math studies group within gifted kids hs. which is hopefully a ghood thing. [03:13]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo im not putting a biology section in there! [03:13]
mircea_popescu what if it raises ctulhu! [03:13]
BingoBoingo Isn't it supposed to! [03:13]
mircea_popescu no. [03:14]
mircea_popescu it's like perverse asian sex practice. edging only. [03:14]
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BingoBoingo Fine, if it is edging Biology section only needs one question: "Is fire alive?" [03:15]
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mircea_popescu ima make a metaphysical section with quotes from you. [03:17]
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BingoBoingo Could work. I just dunno why alf is so anti-section b [03:18]
ben_vulpes c4: "python so that the world might participate" [03:18]
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mircea_popescu avram iancu is a romanian folk hero. famously a guy answered "describe in brief the life and activity of avram iancu" task by writing down the letter R [03:20]
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mircea_popescu which turns the name into "Avram takes it in the butt" [03:20]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251301 << input parsing is hard yo just ask the pygpg people [03:20]
assbot Logged on 25-08-2015 01:22:58; mircea_popescu: either < or something. esp <--- is a comment. [03:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00070876 = 12.5096 BTC [-] {4} [03:51]
trinque deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0A1CH2K.txt [03:54]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [03:54]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jix6Bz ) [03:54]
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wyrdmantis !h [03:59]
assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot [03:59]
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fluffypony http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/136148-most-popular-programming-languages-on-github-2008-to-2015.html [04:38]
assbot Most popular programming languages on Github: 2008 to 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WPnsxg ) [04:38]
fluffypony tl;dr: decline in Ruby, Python, and C. Massive increase in Java, C#, and CSS. Javascript is #1. [04:39]
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mircea_popescu lol sorry about that wyrdmantis [05:02]
mircea_popescu heh [05:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00070869 = 34.1589 BTC [-] [05:06]
mircea_popescu fluffypony in fairness, if one did the same calculation for "artists", bellybutton lint would probably figure very high [05:08]
fluffypony hah hah [05:08]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform looking into it. [13:50]
lobbes thestringpuller: lol. Well there's somethin' about the 'pure' nicotine that doesn't do it for me with e-cigs. Though BB's point about MAOI persisting in 'traditional' tobacco smoke perhaps makes more sense [13:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform dunno, seems to be blackholed somehow. the server itself is fine. the looking into continues. [13:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: see log. traceroutes all fall into neverneverland [13:57]
mircea_popescu well sure. from pretty much everywherre [13:57]
asciilifeform aha. both sides of atlantic. [13:57]
mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1YEMCVW << pretty early, too. [13:58]
assbot dpaste: 1YEMCVW ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4vjIu ) [13:58]
mircea_popescu i mean... what's the connection between core11.hetzner.de and verizon-gni.net [13:58]
asciilifeform none, it's the dropoff [13:58]
asciilifeform the former - yours, the latter - mine [13:58]
mircea_popescu course trilema is also a little sluggish [13:58]
lobbes ;;later tell trinque is deedbot- handling phuctor now too? No worries either way; I just want to make sure our gears are turning in-sync [13:58]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251759 << incidentally, on a multicore system one could probably do some pretty spiffy kernel improvements to squeeze more juice for a purely node system. [14:22]
assbot Logged on 25-08-2015 13:16:07; asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: on top of this, but not last, is the fact that context switches happen and your cached pages are regularly evicted to admit crud [14:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: best kernel improvement is to single-task the thing [14:22]
mircea_popescu just the fact that "these pages don't get swapped" would prolly 3x the whole thing or some shit [14:22]
mircea_popescu and who watches the ethercard ? [14:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the nic knows how to dma, recall. [14:23]
mircea_popescu i do not think there ever existed a "single task programmable computer" yet, in spite of convincing early ibm emulation. you either get signal processing or multi tasking [14:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: thing is, none of this is even worth thinking about until items like multiprocessorized sig validation are a thing [14:23]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'single task' in the sense of there not being a timeslicer [14:24]
mircea_popescu kernel gets a timeslicer for itself anyway [14:24]
asciilifeform yes, you still have interrupt handlers. [14:24]
mircea_popescu so it can run "this timeslicing is no longer supporterd please run upgrade" [14:24]
asciilifeform but it is perfectly feasible to run something like bitcoin as an embedded proggy. [14:24]
mircea_popescu no argument. was just pounding the more theoretical side of things. [14:25]
asciilifeform i worked it out. the only interrupt handlers one even needs, are a) timer b) nic frame ring buffer (tx, rx) full/empty. [14:26]
asciilifeform (and, optionally, disk dma req. complete) [14:26]
mircea_popescu anyway, our friends' apparently well intended conundrum is i think illustrative for the woe betid the modern man, asked to come up with "votes" on matters so far removed from his understanding. [14:27]
asciilifeform could, theoretically, do this port even now, if one were to 'de-thread' the thing [14:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if the chinese are actually fucktarded enough to allow usg to not get its wish but nevertheless move the window in not getting it, we'll probably not only de-thread it but rewrite the whole sheband, and with a better pow algo at that. [14:28]
asciilifeform lucky job that i have one. (and i'd be disappointed if only i) [14:28]
mircea_popescu i'm curious if the size of that empire will allow the young and clueless mining derps be squashed by decade-old us foreign policy technology that their older, more politically central counterparts have long ago figured how to sink [14:28]
mircea_popescu but, this discussion's yet out of its time. [14:29]
asciilifeform parachute! [14:29]
mircea_popescu mno. [14:29]
mircea_popescu you ever seen the robotzi re parachutes ? [14:29]
asciilifeform dun think so [14:29]
mircea_popescu lemme dig it up, then you can watch it then i can say something pithy about it [14:30]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Ei81re1Ao [14:30]
assbot RObotzi.S03.Ep3.Hobby - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWlSWP ) [14:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/1qvgld/a_leak_in_the_bitcoin_reddit_shows_private << lulz [14:30]
assbot A leak in the bitcoin reddit, shows private messages between bitcoin developers included litecoin head developer : litecoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWm0Wn ) [14:30]
mircea_popescu lol [14:31]
asciilifeform apparently no one gave a shit then, either. [14:31]
asciilifeform (spoiler: it's the paste from last night.) [14:31]
mircea_popescu as you say, entomological interest. [14:32]
asciilifeform much entomological sample, so scarce the ddt. [14:33]
mircea_popescu so didja see it ? [14:34]
asciilifeform see what? [14:34]
mircea_popescu youtube above! [14:35]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251766 << i recall this tidbit of shisdom peppered throughout the "conversation" [14:35]
assbot Logged on 25-08-2015 13:20:26; kakobrekla: i dont see why the idiots dont take the leap and think that limited block size may actually give some small value to their beloved alts [14:35]
kakobrekla ah ok then [14:36]
mircea_popescu wyrdmantis no fucking way your name actually is "dalroverezurla" [14:36]
kakobrekla so the 5 btc went to buy silk road stuff ? [14:36]
mircea_popescu nfi. something with donations or w/e. [14:37]
* asciilifeform still not very handy with spoken ro [14:37]
mircea_popescu prolly went to sergent blackforce the 9th power or w/e [14:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ok, ima translate it in a second then [14:37]
mircea_popescu these guys are impossible anyway [14:37]
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mircea_popescu !rated wyrdmantis [14:41]
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mircea_popescu !rate wyrdmantis 1 Good name. [14:41]
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assbot I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who. [14:41]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/robotzi-s03-ep3-hobby/ [15:04]
assbot RObotzi S03 Ep3 : Hobby on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwSnc1 ) [15:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: neato! [15:05]
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mircea_popescu dja see what i mean ? [15:10]
asciilifeform aha. [15:10]
mircea_popescu anyway, the whole as is down, being worked on, dulap should be back later. [15:10]
asciilifeform spiffy [15:10]
asciilifeform all of this reminds me of the famous sovderpitude re: phone tap installation [15:11]
asciilifeform ~crackle~, ~hiss~, ..., ..., outage [15:11]
mircea_popescu lol [15:12]
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mircea_popescu progress is what happens when everything gradually goes to shit [15:13]
mircea_popescu so whadja expect. [15:13]
asciilifeform hogress. [15:13]
asciilifeform ... and it appear that i'm ~still~ the only one keeping public therealbitcoin nodez ?? are folks waiting for the version string thing (imho pretty useless...) or what ? [15:14]
jurov ;;later tell felipelalli btc-dev l2 keys are updated once per day, if your emails still aren't accepted, i'll check it it on weekend (currently abroad, no access) [15:15]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3icef3/leaked_btc_foundation_digest_2013_complete_with << they luvv it [15:17]
assbot Leaked Btc Foundation Digest (2013) - complete with confessed NSA stoolies, planned lies to public, etc. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEnOqH ) [15:17]
asciilifeform (anybody need a bucket of cockroaches for anything ??!11) [15:17]
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punkman so petertodd loaned John Dillon 5.1 btc, which he then sent to gmaxwell, to https://blockchain.info/address/1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV which is tagged "DPR seized coins"? [15:24]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEozQv ) [15:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00070377 = 32.4438 BTC [-] {2} [15:25]
punkman oh wrong link, 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH was supposed to be gmaxwell's address [15:27]
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kakobrekla is that when sr was still up? [15:27]
* mircea_popescu looks for the "as mp said a few months ago", doesn't find it, doesn't give a shit. [15:27]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2013#337920 [15:29]
assbot Logged on 02-10-2013 15:46:43; ozbot: FBI raids alleged online drug market Silk Road, arrests owner [15:29]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: yes [15:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99900 @ 0.00070361 = 70.2906 BTC [-] {4} [15:30]
kakobrekla so, someone bought some drugs. [15:30]
punkman the 5.1099 btc was sent on 2013-11-16 [15:30]
kakobrekla wasnt it 2013-10-26 [15:31]
asciilifeform hm [15:31]
asciilifeform even more peculiar. [15:31]
punkman kakobrekla: no that's when petertodd sent the money to Dillon [15:32]
jurov http://www.explo.yt/slush_on_xt.png a little kek [15:32]
kakobrekla https://blockchain.info/address/1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV this address i thin kwas under dprs control [15:32]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ubqec7 ) [15:32]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEozQv ) [15:32]
kakobrekla https://blockchain.info/address/1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH this one is under usms [15:32]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbqhES ) [15:32]
punkman so john dillon wasn't a spook, was dpr? [15:32]
kakobrekla deposited to sr wallet [15:33]
kakobrekla id say [15:33]
kakobrekla dunno [15:33]
kakobrekla yes, after bust . [15:33]
mircea_popescu jurov guy's gone full retard. [15:35]
mircea_popescu !rated slush [15:35]
assbot You rated user slush on 20-Aug-2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: fuckwit. [15:35]
mircea_popescu but lol @gogulski [15:36]
mircea_popescu the only shit that's bad is still in your head, yo. [15:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: funnily enough, i encountered gogulski entirely by chance, elsewhere: [15:36]
mircea_popescu that's what not agreeing with me usually means. that you got some horse droppings in a portion of your brain. [15:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: here >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352 << he bought my 'dukedom' [15:37]
assbot Loper OS » Dukedom for Sale. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwU6Oz ) [15:37]
mircea_popescu good for him [15:37]
* asciilifeform does not know anything else about herr gogulski, other than the incident where he publicly burned his u.s. passport and formally renounced citizenship [15:38]
mircea_popescu there's an immense pile of people who "don't agree with mp" as if that's some sort of vanity prop. [15:39]
mircea_popescu which... whatevs. growing up happens to the best of 'em. [15:39]
* asciilifeform was contemplating the apparent fact that: whatever other things the rogue's gallery of stoolies, shills, miscellaneous usg vermin got in reward for their collaboration, coin does not appear to be among them. hence there is likely massive enthusiasm for anything that smacks of destroying or at least defiling bitcoin, on grounds of sheer envy [15:42]
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asciilifeform 'perhaps ~now~ we get a chance' [15:42]
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asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3icef3/leaked_btc_foundation_digest_2013_complete_with/cufbrx6 << cockroach squirms [15:50]
punkman https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg3009444#msg3009444 << addresses used by jdillon to donate 10btc to coinjoin fund https://blockchain.info/tx/1332f6d0ba9b7101edab1f183d36a09d6036561cf36de1326a68523107b3e7b2 [15:50]
assbot petertodd comments on Leaked Btc Foundation Digest (2013) - complete with confessed NSA stoolies, planned lies to public, etc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbtuUK ) [15:50]
assbot CoinJoin: Bitcoin privacy for the real world ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbtxA8 ) [15:50]
assbot Bitcoin Transaction 1332f6d0ba9b7101edab1f183d36a09d6036561cf36de1326a68523107b3e7b2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbtxQo ) [15:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: workfunctions, there was once some theoretical work concerning 'non-outsourceable puzzles', i.e. mathematical magic preventing the formation of pools by allowing any pool participant to silently and untraceably claim the entire block reward. but i cannot recall if this went anywhere other than academiwankery. [15:55]
asciilifeform (naturally, not applicable to extant bitcoin.) [15:56]
mircea_popescu it was discussed in bitcoin too. [15:59]
mircea_popescu predictably, pool ops do not like the idea at all. [15:59]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, it's plenty applicable, if one talks forks. [15:59]
mircea_popescu but by the time one talks forks to that level, some sort of much different bitcoin would be on the table anyway. with ring signatures and various other items. [16:00]
mircea_popescu " whatever other things the rogue's gallery of stoolies, shills, miscellaneous usg vermin got in reward for their collaboration, coin does not appear to be among them" <<< ahahahaha. fucking DOH. not even usg is this fucking stupid. albeit this is not deliberately, just, the low level idiots have no access to any btc and the high level doods know better. but for that matter : usg employees don't even get fiat. [16:04]
mircea_popescu people in the camp work for a) promises of future and b) mortgage-and-meal tickets. [16:04]
mircea_popescu what bitcoin. [16:04]
mircea_popescu you think the fucktards writing "gawker" and all its clones are getting paid ? thjey aren't. they do it because i won't take them to work for qntra, and they imagine that if they persevere they can somehow prevail without needing to actually do the hard work. [16:05]
mircea_popescu the same's true throughout. [16:05]
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asciilifeform even pig is sometimes permitted to eat truffle [16:08]
asciilifeform but not often. [16:08]
asciilifeform 'usg employees don't even get fiat' << this is true in a strictly technical sense. but in fact senior nomenklatura ('ses' and up, but also grey-usg folk like uni professors) bring in very decent dough via 'contracting' and pseudo-industrial gigs. [16:10]
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mircea_popescu how many monets' worth ? [16:12]
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mircea_popescu this is the point easily missed. "oh, bitcoin is a 5 bn dollar system". no it's fucking not lol. [16:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: easily into the multiple millimonets, for a typical case [16:12]
mircea_popescu you can buy about 100k and it stays at 5bn [16:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but for senior brass, whole monets [16:13]
mircea_popescu once you buy 1bn, it's suddenly a 50 trillion system [16:13]
mircea_popescu same is true of monets, but the exponential's going the other way [16:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: somehow no one is foolish enough to make the mistake in, e.g., aluminum market [16:13]
* asciilifeform was using 'millimonet' as an approximate unit, 4 * 10^4 usd. [16:14]
funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251979 <-- a test implementation exists called "spreadcoin" [16:14]
assbot Logged on 25-08-2015 18:53:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: workfunctions, there was once some theoretical work concerning 'non-outsourceable puzzles', i.e. mathematical magic preventing the formation of pools by allowing any pool participant to silently and untraceably claim the entire block reward. but i cannot recall if this went anywhere other than academiwankery. [16:14]
asciilifeform 'spreading works!!111!!!11' [16:15]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: appears to be entirely dead [16:16]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: so dead that not even a copy of the paper can be turned up. [16:17]
asciilifeform or, hm, maybe not [16:18]
asciilifeform http://www.spreadcoin.info/downloads/SpreadCoin-WhitePaper.pdf [16:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NH9dqx ) [16:18]
asciilifeform ^http://dpaste.com/2CMFP15 [16:18]
asciilifeform 'In SpreadCoin mining is organized in such way that miner must know the following things: 1. Private key corresponding to the coinbase transaction. 2. Whole block, not only its header. ... Pool may detect and ban cheating miners. However, many miners may still prefer to cheat so that pool will be completely unusable for honest miners.' [16:21]
* asciilifeform not convinced that this works as described [16:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform funnily, the "corner silver market" was the opposite mistake. ie, "we'll make thius a 500 bn system for no reason" [16:24]
mircea_popescu odd how selective stupidity is. it'll only do its stupid thing where it doesn';t stand a chance, but will avoid where it'd work. [16:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10102 @ 0.00070449 = 7.1168 BTC [+] [16:31]
punkman https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6430 interesting [16:31]
assbot ECDSA Signatures allow recovery of the public key ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHayNO ) [16:31]
punkman (linked from spreadcoin text) [16:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53750 @ 0.00070323 = 37.7986 BTC [-] {3} [16:33]
mircea_popescu well yes ? [16:36]
mircea_popescu check out gavin from 2011 : "What's the extra CPU cost for recovering the public key? Current bottleneck for bitcoin transaction processing is the CPU cost of ECDSA signature verification, not disk space or bandwidth, so saving bytes at the expense of more CPU is not the right thing to do." [16:37]
mircea_popescu it's not like he doesn't KNOW what he's doing oir anything. [16:39]
punkman https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186264 [16:41]
assbot Improving the trustworthyness of PGP keys with Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHbJNh ) [16:41]
punkman "If you are part of the PGP strong set or your PGP key is on bitcoin-otc you now have a timestamp. Take your PGP fingerprint and convert that into a Bitcoin address and you'll find a 1 satoshi payment to it" [16:41]
punkman https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189792.msg1968200#msg1968200 [16:46]
assbot Bitcoin Blocksize Problem Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHco1l ) [16:46]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and now we know why he made no attempt to parallelize, also. [16:59]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell fluffypony You know of any working OpenBSD monero builds? [17:01]
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fluffypony BingoBoingo: binaries or building from source? [17:02]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: Building from source [17:02]
fluffypony head should build if you "make release-static" and have the depsa [17:03]
fluffypony *deps [17:03]
fluffypony but I haven't checked the last few commits on BSD, so it's entirely possible we broke something [17:03]
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BingoBoingo Ah, I think I was missing rt [17:04]
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ben_vulpes marvel of marvels, still leaking IP. [17:06]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform some of us :) [17:14]
mircea_popescu incidentally, the hash-and-nonce approach to pow originally proposed is quite obviously hackery. [17:16]
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mircea_popescu a bitcoin purified of ec bullcrap could do some pretty splendid factorisation-based pow. [17:17]
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asciilifeform ^ [17:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 256700 @ 0.00070277 = 180.4011 BTC [-] {5} [17:17]
asciilifeform ;;isup nosuchlabs.com [17:19]
gribble nosuchlabs.com is up [17:19]
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punkman mircea_popescu: how's the hash pow related to ec? [17:20]
mircea_popescu in being stupid. [17:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28502 @ 0.00070347 = 20.0503 BTC [+] [17:28]
mircea_popescu if you think about it, unless you have a nvidia farm you're trying to find a use for, your pow has no business being a recursive hash and shouldreally be a lot more like what phuctor's doing [17:29]
mircea_popescu that obviously reduces to a ram farm, but at least ram is a degree of magnitude more commodised than gpus. [17:29]
mircea_popescu in general, as it has been correctly observed and oft repeated, the simpler the gun, the worse for the state. [17:30]
asciilifeform my only misgiving about this is if you stop and think who's been baking factoratrons for the past 20 yrs. [17:30]
asciilifeform to them, the spoils ? [17:30]
asciilifeform they perhaps were not quite good enough for pgp, but for this - perfect [17:31]
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BingoBoingo !up auxon [17:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102800 @ 0.00070164 = 72.1286 BTC [-] {5} [17:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30330 @ 0.00070132 = 21.271 BTC [-] [17:37]
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punkman http://dpaste.com/1WPD2NM some excerpts from jdillon leak and bonus links [17:39]
assbot dpaste: 1WPD2NM ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXi5Zc ) [17:39]
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funkenstein_ i'm surprise nobody has an RSA coin out yet [17:48]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: possibly for the reason i mentioned [17:49]
funkenstein_ factoratrons? [17:49]
asciilifeform aha. [17:50]
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funkenstein_ i meant address, tx signing, DSA not POW [17:52]
asciilifeform 'too heavy' [17:52]
asciilifeform is the usual excuse. [17:53]
asciilifeform !s rsacoin [17:53]
assbot 0 results for 'rsacoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rsacoin [17:53]
asciilifeform hm [17:53]
asciilifeform quite sure that we discussed it. [17:53]
funkenstein_ sounds familiar [17:55]
funkenstein_ signature verification is more intensive than modinv stuff with ecdsa? [17:55]
funkenstein_ it seems thats the bottleneck [17:56]
asciilifeform that wasn't the concern [17:56]
funkenstein_ pubkeys are big i guess [17:56]
asciilifeform relatively. [17:56]
funkenstein_ addresses are hashes, that's not a problem [17:57]
mircea_popescu !up auxon [17:58]
-assbot- You voiced auxon for another 30 minutes. [17:58]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform myeah [17:58]
mircea_popescu it is heavy. [17:59]
funkenstein_ it's also hard to make good rsa privkeys with dice [17:59]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: also hard with stone axe, mammoth teeth, bear skin. [18:00]
funkenstein_ lol [18:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71803 @ 0.00070097 = 50.3317 BTC [-] {4} [18:18]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [18:21]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.11, Best ask: 224.39, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 224.42, 24 hour volume: 75242.0072563, 24 hour low: 196.6, 24 hour high: 228.77, 24 hour vwap: None [18:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69941 @ 0.00069936 = 48.9139 BTC [-] {6} [18:22]
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punkman http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/25/world/europe/migrants-push-toward-hungary-as-a-border-fence-rises.html?_r=0 [18:28]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLcwrt ) [18:28]
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punkman from Syria, to Kos and Lesvos, to the promised land of Germany and Sweden [18:30]
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asciilifeform n0rd1c syst3m!! [18:31]
punkman http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/15/investing/bank-of-america-branches-layoffs/ [18:32]
assbot Hundreds of Bank of America branches are disappearing - Jul. 15, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLcZty ) [18:32]
punkman http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/24/investing/stocks-markets-selloff-circuit-breakers-1200-times/index.html [18:32]
assbot Trading was halted 1,200 times Monday - Aug. 24, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLd6Fv ) [18:32]
asciilifeform punkman: see also, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-07-2015#1193376 [18:33]
assbot Logged on 08-07-2015 17:08:58; mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1" [18:33]
asciilifeform http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/21/technology/ashley-madison-users-extorted/index.html?iid=ob_article_footer&iid=obnetwork << l0l, from same fishwrap [18:34]
assbot Ashley Madison users now facing extortion - Aug. 21, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLdjII ) [18:34]
asciilifeform http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/19/news/niagara-painting-sale-blocked-uk/index.html?iid=ob_article_footer&iid=obnetwork << and re: the art thing [18:35]
assbot Buyer pays over $200,000 for painting, but can't take it home - Aug. 19, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLdnID ) [18:35]
* trinque cranks the R.E.M., kicks back [18:35]
asciilifeform 'The government hopes that by blocking the painting from export there will be time for a new, serious buyer to come forward.' [18:35]
asciilifeform soviet win. [18:35]
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mod6 asciilifeform: I see you attached the sigs for the vpatch files, and included the tarballs in your orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) email. I think it'd like to attach the raw .vpatch files as well as the .sigs for completeness. Anything against this other than it's a bit redundant since you already posted the tarballs of the .vpatches? [18:36]
mod6 s/it'd/i'd/ [18:36]
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asciilifeform mod6: redundant, imho [18:36]
asciilifeform mod6: once 'v' is live, it can be retrofitted to the turdatron directly [18:36]
mod6 alright, i'll leave them off, and maybe just leave a linkback in the body to your message. [18:36]
mod6 that way a person can find the tarballs, etc. [18:37]
mircea_popescu punkman fascinatingly, it's china's fault! [18:41]
mircea_popescu lol @the uk. [18:42]
mircea_popescu maybe the guy should rape some teenagers ? apparently it's how you get shit done in the queen's realms. [18:42]
asciilifeform neh that's reserved for authorized race-replacerz [18:43]
mircea_popescu honestly if it was mine i'd burn it. [18:43]
mircea_popescu send the "minister of culture" the ash. [18:43]
asciilifeform for bonus points, buy that little stove in ro they used earlier [18:43]
asciilifeform to burn it in [18:44]
mircea_popescu yeah srsly. [18:44]
mircea_popescu tho ro govt would perhaps forbid its export :D [18:44]
asciilifeform l0l!! [18:44]
asciilifeform wonder what the ashes are worth [18:44]
asciilifeform betcha they're at least mildly authenticable. [18:44]
mircea_popescu same as the painting, really. [18:44]
mircea_popescu "helps you better understand the role of mp in shaping the 21st century" [18:45]
asciilifeform !b 4 [18:45]
assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17D9G5M.txt ) [18:45]
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mod6 oh i just realized something. [18:46]
mod6 these sigs that you posted won't verify out-of-the box, not that i've tried. but the detached sig must match the file name with the exception of the trailing .sig on the end. [18:47]
asciilifeform mod6: nope. [18:47]
asciilifeform mod6: give gpg both args [18:47]
mod6 so if we do ..sig then will fail [18:47]
asciilifeform mod6: first payload, then sig [18:47]
mod6 oh aight, lemme see here... [18:47]
asciilifeform (this is also done from inside 'v'. but, importantly, it also works - must work - manually.) [18:48]
mod6 ok, yah, works. just needed to do `gpg --verify ` [18:50]
asciilifeform aha i got it backwards [18:50]
asciilifeform but yes, works [18:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77050 @ 0.00069836 = 53.8086 BTC [-] [18:51]
mod6 I'm about to try to fry up some of these cheese & potato pierogies .. any tips ? just fry 'em until golden brown ? [18:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00069805 = 25.1298 BTC [-] [18:55]
mod6 alright, i'll just wing-it [18:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29773 @ 0.00069804 = 20.7827 BTC [-] {2} [19:05]
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phf mod6: you want to cook them in water for a bit first, and then fry them once they are cooked [19:10]
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mats wat [19:11]
mats is it common to do that? [19:12]
phf i thought that's a standard way of cooking pierogies on account of thicker dough, you want to stuff inside to get fully cooked [19:14]
phf as opposed to say, dumplings [19:14]
thestringpuller https://twitter.com/bitfinex/status/636258874606133248 >> We are experiencing data corruption issues and will be offline until corrected. Sorry for the inconvenience. [19:17]
mats ive tried that before and it ruined them [19:17]
asciilifeform lol shitfinex [19:17]
phf mats: you probably overcooked them so they started falling apart [19:17]
mircea_popescu mats you need one of those wire whisks. get the water to boiling, lower them into the water, give them ~90 seconds. take out, let them drip fully, then deepfry. [19:19]
mircea_popescu in hot oil. [19:19]
mircea_popescu (dry-deepfry is so fucking retarded i have nfi why anyone even does it tbh) [19:19]
mats hm, ok [19:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform gotta say something to salvage the pretense. [19:20]
mircea_popescu broomstick fires first, speaks after, it's a land of magical puffery over there. [19:20]
mircea_popescu and i guarantee you they'll continue to have all the "market share" they had before : 0 actual users, a few confused people with their quarter btc and otherwise, the whole might and noise of the usg. [19:21]
phf or mp way, which is a lot more deliberate then mine, because i only ever fry leftover dumplings that were previously cooked. in any case you want the insides to get cooked too, so if you're deep frying them straight you want to cook insides first, then wrap in own dough, then fry the result [19:23]
mircea_popescu now i want blinyi [19:28]
Adlai http://dpaste.com/0AKD3VC [19:30]
assbot dpaste: 0AKD3VC ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLkh0D ) [19:30]
Adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0AKD3VC.txt [19:30]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [19:30]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLkjph ) [19:30]
* Adlai assures the concerned members of the audience that this is not from shitfinex... anybody who's written exchange APIs will probably recognize this [19:31]
punkman Adlai: what's that [19:33]
Adlai if you had to ask, someday you'll know [19:35]
mircea_popescu how to bother people, entry #985468546 : pronounce adult as "a dolt". insist. [19:36]
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mod6 i got these ones from a lady from .ua at the farmers makert. instructions on the top said "don't cook in water", don't cook if frozen. so I let 'em thaw overnight. then just put 'em in a pan with a bit of cooking oil. simmered 'em until golden. tasted great to me! [19:36]
mod6 but maybe im pierogie heathen [19:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00070235 = 16.5755 BTC [+] [19:38]
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punkman I wonder, do they sell bottles of "cooking oil" in US supermarkets? (where you have to read the fine print to figure out what it's made of) [19:41]
mod6 i can go look. this is 'vegetable oil' [19:45]
mod6 Ingrediant: SOYBEAN OIL [19:46]
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mircea_popescu iirc it was mostly rapeseed [19:54]
mircea_popescu (yes it's an actual plant) [19:54]
Adlai entry #985468547 : abbreviate 'grownups' as 'groans' [19:56]
mod6 heh 'rapeseed' [19:57]
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mod6 ahh yah, canola, saw fields upon fields of this driving through manatoba [19:58]
shinohai rapeseed is used as a filler in cheap peanut butter in us groceries [19:59]
mod6 "food" [20:01]
punkman protip: if your peanut butter doesn't develop a layer of oil at the top, it probably has hydrogenated vegetable oil in it [20:01]
punkman same with tahini [20:02]
shinohai smuckers makes yummy natural pb [20:02]
mod6 but it also makes this abortion: http://www.smuckers.com/products/peanut-butter/goober-pb-j/goober-grape-38 [20:03]
assbot Goober Grape PB & J - Peanut Butter - Smucker's ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLpDsw ) [20:03]
punkman not that hard to make at home [20:04]
mod6 everytime i see that stuff on the shelf, i think, "this shit is a metephor for the whole goddamn thing." [20:04]
shinohai girls go fer goober grape [20:08]
mod6 heheh [20:12]
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mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000158.html [20:23]
assbot [BTC-dev] orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLszWf ) [20:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00069781 = 3.838 BTC [-] {2} [20:27]
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