Forum logs for 24 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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funkenstein_ iirc, he had btc-e guys build the "exhcange".. looked identical to btc-e [00:02]
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mircea_popescu phf different mmm iirc [00:09]
phf mircea_popescu:, [00:14]
assbot ... ( ) [00:14]
assbot MMM GLOBAL - Official Website ... ( ) [00:14]
mircea_popescu yeah but what i'm saying is that this mmm and the 1990s historical item aren't much related [00:14]
danielpbarron << someone wrote a client that lets you plug in some settings and it runs your character for you without having to click around on the website, but even with that their 150k number is probably made up [00:17]
assbot Logged on 27-07-2015 01:33:25; mircea_popescu: so /me goes to investigate this kingdom of loathing mud thingee. wikipedia claims 150k players playing regularly. /me has never seen > 500 players logged in. /me is confused. [00:17]
mircea_popescu it is a solution to 'real people and spamming scum try to occupy limited space together' << yes, but the "free market" solution is "make people solve it on their own cpu" whereas you propose "solve it for other people on my own cpu". yes, if we can limit the market we don't need it to be free. but if we could make it free we wouldn't need to limit it. [00:18]
mircea_popescu dude danielpbarron you were way behind in the logs huh. [00:18]
danielpbarron i've read stuff since then, i just don't always read it all in order [00:20]
trinque "Now, every participant (firstly of the Bitcoin Republic, and then of the whole MMM) will be daily offered a simple web-task related to the activities in the social networks and forums that generate extra traffic to the MMM website." << [00:20]
assbot NEWS / MMM GLOBAL - Official Website ... ( ) [00:20]
trinque lol. what. [00:20]
trinque the republic he says. [00:20]
trinque what does his scam have to do with that? [00:20]
mircea_popescu lol. guy liked the word. [00:22]
mircea_popescu iirc there's also a reddit republic thing [00:22]
trinque where are you, herr timecube? show yourself [00:22]
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trinque it's a good word, 'tis true [00:23]
mircea_popescu basically what is this, a sort of trying to herd retards to do web stuff ? [00:23]
trinque I can't even tell [00:23]
trinque you join the MMM and you make 100% [00:23]
mircea_popescu or i could also not join it, and also make 100% [00:24]
mircea_popescu anyway, that's all for me. laters. [00:25]
trinque Hello. My name is Jean, a manager of MMM Philippines, showing you my GH in the amount of P33,000. Thank you my donors and thank you MMM. Indeed its a great privilege to be part of this wonderful community. << ey asciilifeform, I found your filipinos [00:25]
trinque mircea_popescu: cheers [00:25]
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asciilifeform ;;seen mike_c [12:36]
mircea_popescu 16k ahahaha [12:36]
gribble mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 50 minutes and 29 seconds ago: ;;seen asciilifeform [12:36]
mircea_popescu check that shit out. [12:36]
mike_c hey ascii. wanted to chat about the graph thing when you have a few [12:36]
mircea_popescu hey, USG "press", where are all the articles about how US collapses amid dji never-before-seen losses ? [12:36]
mircea_popescu you know, all the ones about china two months ago, do a search and replace. no good ? [12:37]
mircea_popescu idiots. [12:37]
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asciilifeform mike_c: may be premature, i haven't fully written the antecedent walker yet. but basic idea was to create a browsable (possibly clickable) directed acyclic graph [12:37]
PeterL my US stock investments have recently lost everything they gained since January, big old 0% increase on the year now [12:38]
asciilifeform mike_c: eat node corresponds to a particular 'v' filehash. [12:38]
mike_c Ok. That was my impression, that the data source wasn't quite ready yet. we can wait. [12:38]
mike_c yeah, makes sense [12:38]
mircea_popescu mike_c yeah a bit of an early thing on my part. on the theory that prolly you're doing plenty of other things and want to schedule things [12:39]
mike_c indeed :) [12:40]
mircea_popescu PeterL imo holding any sort of usg paper is irresponsible, but that's just me. [12:40]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [12:40]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 219.53, Best ask: 219.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 219.53, 24 hour volume: 28152.10277529, 24 hour low: 211.56, 24 hour high: 230.16, 24 hour vwap: None [12:40]
mike_c Currently I am wrangling with python gnupg, which turns out to be a pile of shit [12:40]
asciilifeform mike_c: it very much is! [12:40]
mircea_popescu meanwhile bitcoin clearly poised to absorb the shocks lmao. [12:40]
punkman << this is slightly better than the other version [12:40]
assbot isislovecruft/python-gnupg · GitHub ... ( ) [12:40]
asciilifeform and that magic feeling you get when you learn that 1) dealing with a massive pile of shit 2) the only alternative is to recreate the thing from minerals [12:41]
PeterL well, I have had it stuck in a "retirement account" for a few years now, seemed like a good idea back when I put it in ... bleh [12:41]
mircea_popescu all these people derping about how "oh, cyprus banks collapsed - bitcoin lalala ; oh argentina default - bitcoin lalala" don't comprehend the very basics of how economics works. [12:41]
mircea_popescu in other news, should be interesting. [12:41]
mike_c punkman: thanks, I'll check it out. there's a lot of versions floating around [12:41]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before September :: 2.52 B (4%) on Yes, 62.36 B (96%) on No | closed 1 week 6 days ago ... ( ) [12:41]
mircea_popescu mike_c from what i've seen, the python-anything turns out that way [12:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a shell-callout to gpg [12:41]
mike_c not in my experience, but this area, it is. [12:41]
punkman python-gpgme doesn't call out to shell but I haven't used it [12:42]
mike_c a hacked together with band-aids and rubber bands shell callout [12:42]
asciilifeform mike_c: gpgme is a wrapper for gpg !! [12:42]
mike_c gpgme i don't know about [12:42]
asciilifeform and barely works. [12:43]
mike_c oh fuck, it stands for "gpg made easy"? that's not promising [12:43]
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asciilifeform thing to realize is that gpg was written to be maximally un-librarifiable. like gcc. [12:44]
mircea_popescu was it ? [12:44]
asciilifeform this was my conclusion from own study. [12:44]
mike_c so what, I'm stuck with bash scripts? how to use the fking thing? [12:44]
mircea_popescu mike_c another premature thing is a pgp implementation that's proper. [12:45]
mike_c !up wywialm [12:45]
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mircea_popescu looks like it'll be the first competing standard we end up writing. [12:45]
mike_c wywialm: what do the quedex guys use to talk to gpg? [12:45]
asciilifeform if simply trying to verify sigs, the python-gpg crud sorta works. [12:45]
davout mike_c: i got gpgme to work fine fwiw [12:45]
mike_c oh? ok.. I will check it out. thanks. [12:46]
punkman this might be easier if you are just verifying [12:46]
assbot gpgv - Using the GNU Privacy Guard ... ( ) [12:46]
mike_c not just verifying. encryptying, decrypting, verifying. [12:46]
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punkman I wonder how many klock are in gpg, anyone counted it? [12:50]
punkman *kloc [12:50]
wywialm hi all [12:50]
mircea_popescu ello [12:51]
wywialm mike_c, from the client side, we have a python-gnupg wrapper app around our api [12:51]
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wywialm if that is what you ask about [12:51]
mike_c ah, k. yeah. [12:52]
mircea_popescu technically vice-versa but anyway. [12:52]
mike_c thanks. i was looking for good alternatives. [12:52]
mike_c going to give gpgme a run around the block and see how that does. [12:52]
wywialm that is very temporary, we'll be moving to java bouncy castle in the near future [12:53]
wywialm i.e. this python-gnupg - calling gpg is just too slow [12:53]
mike_c whole app is going to java? [12:54]
wywialm that is a most likely scenario [12:54]
mike_c interesting [12:54]
mircea_popescu o.O [12:54]
mircea_popescu you are going to java, ~for speed~. [12:54]
punkman wywialm: does that thing do gpg? [12:54]
mike_c "Generators/Processors for OpenPGP " [12:54]
wywialm yes [12:55]
mike_c out of curiousity, what's "too slow"? [12:55]
mike_c i mean, unless you're supporting HFT, is it really a problem for the client app? [12:55]
wywialm mircea_popescu, is there something i miss? re bouncy castle: we'll most likely have to write a library to make it more usable [12:56]
mircea_popescu phf no, you're right, i dunno what i was thinking. [12:56]
mircea_popescu turns out in point of fact a good chunk of the internet "ponzi" subculture has to do with this schmuck promoting nonsense like it's his mission in life. [12:56]
mircea_popescu wywialm java is just hated here, is all. [12:57]
wywialm for "high touch" users, no, pyton-gnupg is more or less ok, but for algo and managing mulitple instruments the delays are noticeable [12:58]
mike_c go tit [12:59]
mircea_popescu should be fun once pgp is implemented properly as full rsa. [12:59]
mike_c *got it :) [12:59]
mircea_popescu "non starter!!11" [12:59]
punkman full rsa? [13:00]
mircea_popescu yeah [13:00]
mircea_popescu << omfg she's ugly. [13:01]
assbot Reklama MMM Lenya Golubkov, 90 e 240 - YouTube ... ( ) [13:01]
mike_c full rsa would make for some long messages [13:01]
mike_c but I hear bandwidth is doubling every year for the next 10 years :) [13:01]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which 'she' [13:02]
mircea_popescu the shuba woiman lol. [13:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and see, if they used hot gurlz, it wouldn't be 'common man !!11!!!111' [13:02]
mircea_popescu shit... dude i miss the drunken evening over a musama covered table with drunk people. [13:02]
mircea_popescu wtf. [13:02]
asciilifeform there was a specific algo used here [13:02]
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punkman what's the difference of full rsa to current gpg? [13:02]
mike_c i was assuming he meant not using AES to encode the message [13:03]
wywialm mircea_popescu, what is java most hated for - in particular, in client-side? and what is the recommended alternative for similar purposes? [13:03]
mircea_popescu punkman currently a symmetric session key is rsa encrypted. [13:03]
asciilifeform punkman, mike_c: the idea is to abolish the session key. [13:03]
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mircea_popescu wyrdmantis slow, large memory footprint, undebuggable in that order. [13:03]
mike_c hence long messages [13:03]
mircea_popescu mike_c slow. not necessarily so long. [13:03]
mike_c cuz message has to be encoded for each recipient [13:03]
mircea_popescu wyrdmantis and the alternative is asm, obviously :)) [13:04]
wywialm :) [13:04]
mike_c JVM is not accepted on my machine [13:04]
wywialm in that tune? [13:04]
assbot ... ( ) [13:04]
mike_c because I don't trust it. [13:05]
mike_c even on my windows box.. [13:05]
wywialm mike_c, we will not drop the python app [13:05]
mircea_popescu wyrdmantis just because web-programmers suck doesn't mean asm no longer exists. [13:05]
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mircea_popescu << they did that much of a public service. [13:06]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 04:44:57; asciilifeform: in fact, i saw these, as a boy, and they permanently defined what 'advertising' means in my head. [13:06]
mircea_popescu dude there's two people with wy ? apologies for misdirection [13:06]
wywialm np :) [13:06]
BingoBoingo So, going out to pick up some chicken hearts to fry up for breakfast I saw the local much beloved microwave tower covered in a tent of some sort [13:14]
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mircea_popescu go on ? [13:17]
BingoBoingo Well, why the fuck does a microwave tower need to wear clothes? [13:18]
punkman because of derps sensitive to wifi? [13:18]
BingoBoingo There better not be any of those around here. [13:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00072789 = 16.1592 BTC [-] {3} [13:21]
mircea_popescu maybe some kids wanted to fuck but didn't know how to camp so they used the available pilar ? [13:22]
BingoBoingo Could be that. [13:23]
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funkenstein_ perhaps "java" is too broad a descriptor with all the different compilers, VMs or not, etc. available [13:30]
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mircea_popescu only if one proposes to actually make java work. [14:04]
BingoBoingo You know, this Chinese market mess is going to be hell on whatever's left of the US auto industry. [14:08]
mircea_popescu ayup. [14:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63902 @ 0.00072393 = 46.2606 BTC [-] {2} [14:10]
BingoBoingo The kulaks there were really starting to develop a taste for Buick and pickup trucks [14:14]
mircea_popescu << really, only thinkable in a "gross mismanagement context", among a field replete with half baked tin women. [14:14]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 05:21:32; asciilifeform: this kind of lure is only really thinkable in a ru90s-style collapsy context [14:14]
mircea_popescu something perhaps to be seen again. this decade. [14:15]
mircea_popescu that sort of large scale mismanagement is always the result of technical objects satisfying perceived imagological needs first and foremost. like the fortifications of the eternal city. [14:15]
thestringpuller << "Major Players" 4 of these have a DERP listing [14:17]
mircea_popescu pdf is not the output of a --clearsign command. [14:18]
mircea_popescu rejected. [14:18]
thestringpuller << de-turdified for you [14:20]
thestringpuller "Our companies will be ready for larger blocks by December 2015 and we will run [14:20]
mircea_popescu << win srsly. [14:20]
assbot SexyCyborg goes Pentesting - Album on Imgur ... ( ) [14:20]
thestringpuller << teh comments astounding [14:22]
mircea_popescu fluffypony barefoot womenz in dcs ?! [14:23]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: well we need to be more certain [14:24]
fluffypony have to be safe [14:24]
fluffypony bend over and cough [14:24]
mircea_popescu < uh what hint. the cpu has to do some math to ecdsa. that math happens talking to the cpu cache not disk or ram. [14:24]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 09:21:40; wyrdmantis: ;;later tell mircea_popescu so why l2 cache is relevant? give me a hint, please. [14:24]
* BingoBoingo waits for pentesting buttplug album [14:24]
mircea_popescu fluffypony did the chick give you some ideas now ? [14:24]
mircea_popescu honestly i've been tempted by shenzen for a while now. [14:24]
fluffypony apparently you're not allowed to institute such safety measures in a DC [14:24]
fluffypony pity [14:24]
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mircea_popescu mats go to shenzen rent a flat for me. [14:27]
mats you gonna visit? [14:28]
* mircea_popescu kinda had it with argentina. [14:28]
mircea_popescu it was originally interesting, "check it out, the kitsch version of us collapse, 20 years early" but eventually one has enough. [14:29]
BingoBoingo That was fast. [14:29]
mircea_popescu guess so huh. [14:30]
mats i can't even afford to go myself :P [14:30]
mircea_popescu << you think isis is different ? [14:32]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 09:42:08; cazalla: punkman, from that post "Traditionally the wife controls family finance. Husband turns over paycheck and wife gives husband allowance." fuck that [14:32]
mircea_popescu this is how asia lives, yo. [14:32]
kakobrekla so wait, next ba meet is in shenzen? [14:37]
mircea_popescu either that or skipping a year. i'm not doing another one in b-a. you've seen it all. literally. [14:38]
mircea_popescu << dude srsly... hotness is an uncorrelated variable. it's not like you're rolling up a new d&d dollie and have a total of 24 points to distribute to stats. [14:39]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 09:49:31; cazalla: why would a chick be watching mr robot, a show guerrilla marketed at 4chan autists [14:39]
mircea_popescu teen enjoys geeky show, decides to give herself tits. only thing uncommon is that she had the guts to take control. otherwise... [14:39]
mike_c 22 hours from jfk to shenzen. ouch. [14:42]
kakobrekla i bet alf is gonna be disappointed. no coffee, no icecream, no steak. [14:42]
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mike_c oh, with layover. nevermind [14:42]
mike_c only 17 hours in the air. [14:43]
kakobrekla ;;ticker [14:43]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 210.75, Best ask: 211.23, Bid-ask spread: 0.48000, Last trade: 211.24, 24 hour volume: 32200.11546723, 24 hour low: 209.0, 24 hour high: 229.07, 24 hour vwap: None [14:43]
mats i'll be surprised if mp sticks around shenzhen as long as he does buenos aires [14:43]
mircea_popescu what, not like they don't let him in without conf invite lol [14:43]
kakobrekla better buy seats while you still can ;) [14:43]
mircea_popescu whyssat mats ? [14:43]
trinque << this is precisely the direction I'm going to go with deedbot, due to pain with python-gnupg; I've yet to try the one punkman suggested, so perhaps that one's better. I grow to believe this is the only way to do anything right on a *nix. [14:43]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 15:42:43; mike_c: so what, I'm stuck with bash scripts? how to use the fking thing? [14:43]
mircea_popescu mike_c how long was ny-ba ? like 14 ? [14:44]
mike_c 11 [14:44]
mircea_popescu anyway - not my fault the concorde lapsed without replacement. imo THAT is the end point of white civilisation. [14:44]
mircea_popescu in the 70s, we had supersonic airliner. today... not. [14:44]
mats crowded, terrible air, you don't speak chinese, you'll never be chinese, inscrutable local politics [14:45]
mircea_popescu haha. i can be fucking zulu. [14:46]
mircea_popescu all it takes is me wanting to. which, granted, high fucking bar. [14:46]
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mats but hey, you'll be real popular. chinese people love to practice english on white folk. [14:48]
BingoBoingo Why Shenzen and not the Democratic Congo of Ferguson? [14:48]
mircea_popescu ikr? [14:48]
asciilifeform meanwhile... [14:49]
asciilifeform [14:49]
assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( ) [14:49]
asciilifeform gcd == 25; Ken Fischer [14:49]
mats isn't that the outfit gavin worked for? [14:49]
trinque are we to the point where we give up on scoopbot yet? [14:49]
mircea_popescu oh, is the scoop off ? [14:49]
trinque I have a feeds module at the ready. [14:49]
mircea_popescu trinque weren't you ruinning it ? [14:49]
trinque nah, williamdunne [14:49]
mircea_popescu anyway, < important! [14:50]
assbot Naivity in finance on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [14:50]
trinque I am happy to though. [14:50]
mircea_popescu ;;seen williamdunne [14:50]
gribble williamdunne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: mircea_popescu: Relieve pressure by ranting on a blog? Sounds like it could work. I'll have another look at the incubators [14:50]
mike_c question I don't expect an answer to: how does mpex handle the gpg processing? [14:50]
mircea_popescu trinque i guess so yeah. [14:50]
mircea_popescu go fer it [14:50]
trinque k [14:50]
mircea_popescu "They have made good public presentations that only serve to enhance Bitcoins image. Due to factors like these, various ppl within the community will take an interest in their POV." [14:51]
mike_c prolly in php. [14:51]
mircea_popescu heh dude wtshit already. nobody cares what "people in the community" etc. bitcoin is fucking money. [14:51]
Michail1 midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mitzip mius mixdio [14:51]
mircea_popescu mike_c i ain't sayin' anything. [14:51]
mike_c hand-coded PGP impelementation in PHP and javascript [14:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you gonna have white-man food and chix flown in or what [14:52]
asciilifeform and if this, then why not do it on island fortress or arctic circle, aha [14:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i would much rather fuck a plastic cyborg created out of the desire of the short yellow people to fit in with white civilisation than an actual scion of the latter. [14:53]
mircea_popescu because enthusiasm beats anything else nine times out of seven. [14:53]
asciilifeform jp sounds like a better deal then [14:53]
mats lol [14:54]
mircea_popescu japan is a fucking island. [14:54]
asciilifeform they have the plastic chick part down [14:54]
asciilifeform in cn you get to fuck a bag of rice with a hole drilled [14:54]
mircea_popescu such hate. have you seen this particular technoslut ? [14:54]
asciilifeform ? [14:54]
mircea_popescu < [14:55]
assbot SexyCyborg goes Pentesting - Album on Imgur ... ( ) [14:55]
mircea_popescu her. tell me that if you had to share your lab you'd have a problem sharing it with her. [14:55]
asciilifeform aha the matchstick [14:55]
mircea_popescu yes, the matchstick. [14:55]
asciilifeform but hey, на вкус и на цвет товарища нет (tm) [14:55]
mircea_popescu not the point AT ALL. [14:55]
mircea_popescu point is, nubbins` cook roommate. [14:56]
mircea_popescu she ain't it. [14:56]
asciilifeform i don't have one of those here... [14:56]
mircea_popescu yeah, you do. everywhere. [14:56]
asciilifeform and iirc mircea_popescu didn't either? [14:56]
trinque chick looks like that and knows what a computer is; what's wrong? [14:56]
mircea_popescu you live in fucking reddit republic and pretend it ends at the door. [14:56]
asciilifeform it ends at the force field [14:56]
* asciilifeform checks generators [14:56]
mircea_popescu right. [14:56]
mircea_popescu i lived a much better life of the spirit when i lived it among nude whores on sets, and plastic women making a point of being stupid [14:57]
asciilifeform i can't wait till mircea_popescu discovers the cn mega-reddits [14:57]
mircea_popescu and so would you. this entire "give boys letters" thing is dumb. [14:57]
* asciilifeform gets some exposure to the latter via ru [14:57]
mircea_popescu kinda why i've not moved yet. i have nfi. [14:58]
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mircea_popescu btw, anyone know the rather epic story of the only concorde crash to date ? [15:01]
mircea_popescu previous flight lost an engine foil, concorde ran it over, it cut a wheel, wheel exploded, large fragment of tyre hit underwing, shockwave broke a fuel tanker, fuel gushed out and caught, engineer cut the engine next, at which point they had 2km worth of runway left and needed 3 to abort. [15:03]
mircea_popescu so they took the passengers back to hotel. directly. [15:03]
mircea_popescu (jet fuel doesn't melt steel btw) [15:05]
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ButtScoop [15:05]
assbot Windows 10 Banned From Numerous Torrent Trackers | Qntra ... ( ) [15:05]
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punkman and "Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10" [15:06]
mircea_popescu doh. [15:06]
trinque mircea_popescu | so they took the passengers back to hotel. directly. << lol! [15:07]
mircea_popescu trinque i am not an expert in airflight security, or a pilot or anything. nevertheless, it's my opinion that this is a fine example of what thinking in a box is and what it gets you. [15:08]
mircea_popescu specifically, the correct move there would have been to cut all engines, engage all brakes (including the chute) and read a magazine. [15:09]
mircea_popescu fuck it, so it runs out of runway, runs through the airport fence, runs out into the fucking street. [15:09]
mircea_popescu but no... they "had to take off", because trained experts, and being trained means not thinking of all alternatives. [15:09]
trinque right, merely selecting one from the procedure book [15:10]
mircea_popescu yeah [15:10]
trinque my dad's a pilot; it's astounding how much scripted behavior they have to internalize [15:10]
mircea_popescu yeah. [15:10]
mircea_popescu also the notion that "anything's an option once all the scripts yield in predictable failure" is hard to maintain [15:10]
mircea_popescu and no serious effort is made to maintain it [15:10]
mircea_popescu "because why not just improve the scriptbook instead" [15:11]
trinque goes right to "nobody could've forseen" by way of "they did all they could" because they exhausted the rulebook [15:11]
mircea_popescu quite. [15:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but you defended this re: titanic ! [15:12]
mircea_popescu i do. [15:12]
mircea_popescu in that case, what the guy did was the actual minimal path. [15:13]
mircea_popescu in this case, what thery did is not. [15:13]
asciilifeform << that thread, linked for completeness [15:14]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2014 19:46:44; asciilifeform: 'C: What I want to suggest to you is that it was recklessness, utter recklessness, in view of the conditions [15:14]
asciilifeform but i can see what mircea_popescu meant here. [15:14]
mircea_popescu my reading the magazine above is exactly in same degree and exactly the same kind, "recklessness". [15:14]
mircea_popescu the alternative is "raising awareness" [15:14]
mircea_popescu at any rate, this is a very vast thing, it unites the mentioned "when hiring fortune teller - hire cheapest" [15:15]
asciilifeform << lulzy anonymus [15:16]
mircea_popescu to the very common "but you gotta play", seen at work for instance by the people who think they HAVE to take a mortgage, or buy a diamond ring, or go to college, or so on. [15:16]
assbot SAIC Whistlebreakers ... ( ) [15:16]
mircea_popescu "it's what's done". [15:16]
mircea_popescu fuck it. if what's done doesn't pay you don't do it. [15:16]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell cazalla Apparently there is a bunny bubble nao [15:18]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:18]
assbot Greenville girls sells rabbits at Illinois State Fair for $4,500 | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( ) [15:18]
BingoBoingo ^ Notice country grammar in the title [15:18]
asciilifeform englisch as she is sp0ken [15:19]
asciilifeform 'The third part was triggering bans on proxies VPNs and tor exit nodes, making as many file requests as possible so that users will not be able to use them to safely access websites. It involved using or circumventing the .htaccess file I am not sure which. "The goal is to divert bandwidth strangle traffic and get them to block their own users."' [15:20]
BingoBoingo Also $75,000 for a barrow. Not even a breeding hog, a castrated pig is now worth a new Chevy Suburban. [15:20]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if 'ebay' is any guide, an 'x-box' game machine is worth a few $k. [15:20]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: but if you know what money laundering is, then no surprise [15:20]
BingoBoingo I see no other outcome. This isn't even artmarket altcoins which... Don't expire when the pig goes to slaughter. [15:21]
asciilifeform (it is not altogether a waste of time to comb the site for items getting sold (not merely listed) for orders of magnitudes above any reasonable estimate of their worth. educational.) [15:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i ran a month or so of a similar thing mostly out of curiosity if this happens. notrly. [15:22]
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asciilifeform possibly happens in bursts. [15:23]
mircea_popescu yeah, like everything else the us does. [15:23]
* asciilifeform used to encounter unmistakeable examples with some regularity [15:23]
mircea_popescu half hour worth on thursday evening [15:23]
BingoBoingo "Donelson’s Land of Lincoln steer sold for a record $61,000 to the highest bidder, Governor Bruce Rauner." [15:23]
mircea_popescu then they wonder why they can't keep baghdad [15:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform xbox is genuinely WORTH 2k of today's watered down dollare. [15:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not in the toy store [15:24]
mircea_popescu i suspect it's much a process like how we'll end up paying 5k for real cpu [15:25]
mircea_popescu or windows head 5k for "real" windows 7 [15:25]
asciilifeform understand, there weren't vintage/rarity/mod-chipped units [15:25]
mircea_popescu or ipadheads 5k for REAL not-fucked iphone [15:25]
mircea_popescu etc [15:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i presumed they were chip-able in a certain manner. [15:25]
asciilifeform nah they were (at the time) standard-issue. [15:25]
mircea_popescu hm. [15:25]
mircea_popescu maybe someone misunderstood something. [15:26]
asciilifeform the one thing which may have been the boojum, other than straight laundry, is a secret dog-whistle via the price that the unit is modded [15:26]
asciilifeform (cracked game machines were formally forbidden on ebay, iirc, long ago) [15:26]
mircea_popescu aha. [15:27]
mircea_popescu they prolly have a secret word for it too, like fags in 1950 ny. [15:27]
asciilifeform seems like a dead certainty [15:27]
asciilifeform but i do not know the word. [15:28]
mircea_popescu "hey i saw your xbox on ebay, is it ment condition ?" [15:28]
mircea_popescu "yes hubba ment condition all the way!" [15:28]
asciilifeform [15:29]
assbot Search results for 'studio sgi kfischer com' ... ( ) [15:29]
asciilifeform ^ mega-vintage [15:29]
asciilifeform did early pgp just throw entirely unprocessed, raw sewage to generate the modulus ?!! [15:29]
asciilifeform i mean, forfuckssake [15:30]
mircea_popescu 1996 ? who even knows. [15:30]
asciilifeform that exe is still out there, somewhere. who wants a fairly simple student project ! [15:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19864 @ 0.00072033 = 14.3086 BTC [-] {2} [15:37]
mircea_popescu why you ? [15:41]
asciilifeform whaddayamean why me [15:41]
asciilifeform 'cause i have a car instead of a dirigible, and own two hands instead of servants ? [15:41]
mircea_popescu you gotta ask your insurance basically ? [15:42]
asciilifeform aha, gotta claim [15:42]
mircea_popescu aha. [15:42]
asciilifeform 'unknown vehicle', same as if a meteorite fell. [15:42]
mircea_popescu and in other news, [15:43]
assbot ... ( ) [15:43]
asciilifeform wawat [15:44]
mircea_popescu also [15:44]
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asciilifeform << old mircea_popescu-and-the-chinese thread, for extra lulz [15:45]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 20:54:46; mircea_popescu: which is why no cows, no trees, everyone on tatamis [15:45]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: did someone mail you these and asked 'sister of mircea_popescu ?' [15:46]
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asciilifeform << congrats pete_dushenski [15:50]
assbot [BTC-dev] v-genesis ... ( ) [15:50]
asciilifeform and it appears that scoopbot is dead as a stone. [15:50]
asciilifeform (and has been for weeks..?) [15:51]
trinque workin on it. [15:51]
trinque bout to bring a deedbot- feeds module online [15:51]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: your system is leaking ip. [15:52]
asciilifeform still. [15:52]
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ben_vulpes circe [15:58]
ben_vulpes considered harmful. [15:58]
asciilifeform '...For the women whose jobs are to lead men astray Circe, Delilah, Morgan Le Fey.' [15:59]
trinque deedbot-: feeds list [15:59]
deedbot- No feeds. [15:59]
trinque he lives [15:59]
trinque I'm going to let it run in private for just a bit, after which when I'm satisfied with his behavior, will add feeds here. [16:00]
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* asciilifeform lacks the necessary lsd to fully digest the notion of mircea_popescu moving to the world's statally-strongest, taking-no-shit-from-the-white-man mega-ethnostate [16:14]
asciilifeform y'know, the place which makes ru look civilized, friendly, inviting in comparison [16:17]
mircea_popescu this categorical judgement thing. [16:18]
mircea_popescu how's my chances on redheads ? what's the oracle say ? [16:18]
asciilifeform l0l [16:18]
asciilifeform looks more like 'chances on pluto' to me, but hey, not my dirigible. what's the thing for if not exploring worlds. [16:19]
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mircea_popescu pluto. how pluto dood. no people live in china ? [16:20]
asciilifeform non-lactasepeople [16:20]
mats china loves white people. white people got da money. [16:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know this worldview is how the south got its reputation for cousinfucking. [16:21]
asciilifeform i mean, if i had to give up something like eating Proper Food, i'd rather live on tree bark in siberia. nice, quiet, prolly could get a photovoltaic set and satellite horn running there. [16:22]
asciilifeform could prolly find a spot with nothing bipedal for 500km+ [16:22]
mircea_popescu how are the girls going to run around naked in siberia ? get locals ? [16:23]
asciilifeform what girls. [16:23]
mircea_popescu for that matter, stuff you hunt is proper food. [16:23]
asciilifeform and think they can run naked in pekin ? [16:23]
mircea_popescu pekin or b-a, or timisoara or so on [16:23]
mircea_popescu pretty much anyone but the north american fucktardry. [16:24]
asciilifeform pekin has 'morals' of ussr circa 1955 [16:24]
asciilifeform and the means to make it stick [16:24]
asciilifeform unless i am catastrophically misinformed. [16:24]
asciilifeform incidentally, if pekin, why not pyongyang ? [16:24]
mircea_popescu catastrophically misinformed. [16:24]
asciilifeform dirigible shield generator not strong enough for pyongyang ? [16:25]
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trinque I'm highly skeptical that a country building all the everything anyone uses on earth is anything like Pyongyang. [16:25]
mircea_popescu why would i want to crash some lame fat fuck's party ? [16:26]
asciilifeform idk, but i imagine it isn't any less entertaining than crashing a lame thin fuck's party ? [16:26]
mircea_popescu who's the lame thin fuck of china again ? or i lost an antecedent, wut [16:27]
asciilifeform i bet nubbins`'s cook roomie isn't any more present in pyongyang than in pekin [16:27]
mircea_popescu or pluto... [16:29]
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mircea_popescu say, this is starting to make sense to me nopw. [16:30]
asciilifeform at any rate, who am i to say that mircea_popescu would not fit in cn. perhaps he has always wanted to eat roast dog, pay 90% of his revenue as bakshish to local party 'райком', and endure the stench of the most packed mass of beoble known... [16:31]
mircea_popescu how do you know all this ? [16:31]
asciilifeform largely from ru folks working into/out of cn [16:32]
trinque China is a gigantic country. All of it eats roast dog? [16:32]
asciilifeform but 'mileage may vary' (tm) (r) [16:32]
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mircea_popescu kinda my point. working into/out of "cn". what is that ? [16:32]
asciilifeform trinque: neither i nor the sources can speak for 'all' of anything. but cn is a rice kingdom, yes. [16:33]
asciilifeform not much in the way of lactosy foodstuff served there, no. [16:33]
mircea_popescu china is ten million square kms or some shit. [16:33]
asciilifeform mostly empty, like usa, ru, or au [16:33]
trinque right, and look at the variance you get in the USA [16:33]
trinque say rural south vs downtown Seattle [16:34]
asciilifeform but i reasoned that if mircea_popescu were an aficionado of mega-emptyspace, he'd be in patagonia now [16:34]
mircea_popescu so you propose to me that a 10 mn sqkm surface inhabited by ~2bn people is ENTIRELY uninhabitable, on account of the fact that... RICE grows there ? [16:34]
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asciilifeform the poles are habitable. [16:34]
asciilifeform with regular supply flights. [16:34]
trinque or for that matter downtown Houston vs Magnolia, TX [16:34]
mircea_popescu i needed regular supply flights in my own fucking country, just for having moved to the outskirts of my home province., [16:35]
asciilifeform trinque: y'know what houston and magnolia have in common? 'fedex' ships there. [16:35]
trinque that much is true [16:35]
trinque nobody ships to Shenzen? [16:35]
mircea_popescu i have a dhl-in-the-desert pic from egypt [16:35]
trinque I know for a fact they ship *from* [16:35]
mircea_popescu trinque why would they :) [16:35]
trinque ha, you're right [16:36]
mircea_popescu you take water upriver much ? lol [16:36]
trinque they make it all there [16:36]
asciilifeform from - every half second! [16:36]
asciilifeform to - another matter. but prolly just a question of cost [16:36]
asciilifeform like shipping to the south pole. [16:36]
trinque shenzen is not the south pole lol [16:36]
mircea_popescu shenzen is, roughly speaking, detroit of 1920 or new jersey of 1880 [16:36]
asciilifeform they had fresh milk in detroit 1920 ? [16:37]
asciilifeform or not ? [16:37]
mircea_popescu for whom ? [16:37]
mircea_popescu for the working class kids - no. [16:37]
asciilifeform aha. [16:37]
asciilifeform at any rate, this is not the class of problem which is a problem to mircea_popescu. [16:39]
mircea_popescu im not even sure what this is. [16:39]
asciilifeform for him, possibly more of [16:39]
assbot Logged on 19-06-2014 02:26:17; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever do business with han chinese ? [16:39]
mircea_popescu the rent in romania article i linked coupla weeks ago was discussing "affordability" in terms of, "to people makinmg 400 euro per month as an avg salary". [16:40]
mircea_popescu yes, that's not a concern. nevertheless, whether i buy or i don't buy is still a decision. [16:40]
asciilifeform who the hell moves to ro to earn the local salary though [16:40]
mircea_popescu and if i couldn't do business with a defined class, no matter which class, i'd have a very serious PERSONAL problem in my own estimation, and i'd go resolve it forthwith. [16:41]
mircea_popescu ;;google average salary in china [16:41]
gribble China Average Yearly Wages - Trading Economics: ; Wages and employment | China Labour Bulletin: ; The average Chinese private-sector worker earns about the same ...: [16:41]
mircea_popescu and as to who : women. [16:41]
mircea_popescu from ukraina. [16:41]
asciilifeform it isn't a 'couldn't do business,' but my current understanding is that the han chinese see white man sorta how the gypsies see european - as somebody to be scammed clean at the first opportunity. [16:42]
mircea_popescu usure this is not just how everyone sees idiots ? [16:42]
asciilifeform ask al schwartz about the univ. of beijing carrying out (yes) the eotvos trials. [16:42]
asciilifeform or i suppose i could talk about my years of working in labs with ~50% or so cn folks, getting to know'em, but i don't imagine mircea_popescu will find this interesting [16:44]
mircea_popescu i would, sure. [16:44]
asciilifeform then, essentially, urbanized pashtuns, with tribal-familial wot hardcoded in firmware [16:45]
asciilifeform not related by blood or marriage ? then you're a barbarian, to be dealt with the way a teenager deals with a coke machine [16:45]
asciilifeform other thing is that these fine folks have been perfecting organized fraud since before euro man climbed down from trees [16:46]
asciilifeform ask the chemistry ph.d. how he got the sheepskin. ask the next dozen, also. 'washed glass for advisor' [16:47]
mircea_popescu can we has case study instead of summary ? [16:48]
asciilifeform few years back, they shot (or perhaps made noises of threatening to?) a mega-crystallographer in uni of beijing. he faked structures for decades, and his subordinates too [16:48]
asciilifeform some of these are still (!) in ncbi db on www [16:48]
asciilifeform ^ case study [16:48]
mircea_popescu you're so flunking case study 101 class... [16:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu wanted case study of folks i saw with own eyes ? [16:49]
mircea_popescu well yes, it's what you introduced [16:49]
asciilifeform very well: dr y. y., biochemistry ph.d., age mid-30s (at the time); wasted perhaps $2mil of usg piggy, and everybody's time, for 5+ yrs. [16:50]
asciilifeform my office mate, for a spell. [16:50]
asciilifeform me: 'y., why do you read the 'times' all day?' y: 'i'm bored.' [16:50]
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asciilifeform me: 'why did you choose this profession, y?' y: 'wanted to be respectable' [16:51]
asciilifeform me: 'your thesis reads just like a summary of dr. c's work' [16:51]
asciilifeform y: 'i washed glass for dr. c and did his excel sheets' [16:51]
asciilifeform enough ? [16:52]
asciilifeform and yes, this was one. there are moar [16:52]
asciilifeform perhaps completes the picture if i reveal that the man had wife, 2 y.o. son, back home. and they lived very well off his chickenfeed salary. [16:53]
asciilifeform and so did the grandparents. [16:54]
trinque k, turning on the feeds. each will barf top 5 when added. [16:54]
trinque deedbot-: feeds list [16:54]
deedbot- No feeds. [16:54]
trinque deedbot-: feeds add [16:54]
deedbot- added. [16:54]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno what problem you see in there ? [16:54]
deedbot- [Trilema] So the broomstick fired. - [16:54]
deedbot- [Trilema] El Gran' Teatro Argentino - [16:54]
mircea_popescu seems to me a lot better than $coleague [16:54]
deedbot- [Trilema] I killed one, I'm publishing another, who the hell knows what's going on anymore. - [16:54]
deedbot- [Trilema] Oglaf is still the biggest thing happening in English and other considerations - [16:54]
assbot So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [16:54]
deedbot- [Trilema] Naivity in finance - [16:54]
assbot El Gran' Teatro Argentino on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [16:54]
assbot I killed one, I'm publishing another, who the hell knows what's going on anymore. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [16:54]
assbot Oglaf is still the biggest thing happening in English and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [16:54]
assbot Naivity in finance on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [16:54]
mircea_popescu o.O [16:55]
trinque maybe assbot could ignore deedbot- ^ [16:55]
mircea_popescu he used to, but then we changed it's name [16:55]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla update plox [16:55]
trinque deedbot-: feeds add [16:55]
deedbot- added. [16:55]
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trinque and I recall conversation around phuctor's rss. should I add it? [16:56]
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assbot Windows 10 Banned From Numerous Torrent Trackers | Qntra ... ( ) [16:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: perhaps more on subject, the interesting and magic moment came when a middle-aged animal handler chick from cn was fired (over long-standing dispute over a paper's attribution) with the (.in) chief [16:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: whole orchestra of cn folks, many who did not even appear in the org chart but somehow had leverage, appeared out of nowhere, making a fuss [16:57]
asciilifeform simply because bloodwot. [16:58]
mircea_popescu so ? [16:58]
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mircea_popescu danke. [16:59]
kakobrekla yup [16:59]
BingoBoingo The biodiesel revolution has started [17:01]
assbot Surgeon uses human fat to run his cars - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... ( ) [17:01]
BingoBoingo "However the discovery left medical regulators unimpressed. Using human medical waste to power vehicles (or indeed for any other commercial purpose) is largely illegal, and Dr Bittner's clinic has been raided by California Health Department officials." [17:02]
mircea_popescu that's what they did to th ewater engine too'!!11!11! [17:02]
BingoBoingo Seriously. [17:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my point is that china is different from ro, ar, usa, in several interesting ways which mircea_popescu appears to heavily discount the importance of. perhaps he has own reasons for this, but i couldn't possible know them.. [17:03]
mircea_popescu well for sure us is very similar to ro, in the following amusing way : /me clearly recalls arab fellow living in romania explaining to me the problems with gypsies. [17:04]
mircea_popescu adding to the amusement, the part that he wasn't aware that to the average romanian, the arab,gypsy difference seems slight. but i suspect you know in english russian, chinese, same deal. [17:05]
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* BingoBoingo more curious how mircea_popescu plans to get real internet in .cn [17:07]
mircea_popescu but that aside, i have very little hope left to be much surprised by people. [17:07]
mircea_popescu what, they dont have cable ? [17:08]
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BingoBoingo Don't they have that wall thing to keep the Mongols lost and until they get found, but for internet [17:09]
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asciilifeform but i, for one, look forward to reading mircea_popescu's description of life in middle kingdom!! [17:09]
mircea_popescu o right. how am i going to get encrypted connections to my various servers. i dunno, BingoBoingo ! [17:10]
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mircea_popescu maybe i discover they drop payloads at the backbone level [17:10]
mircea_popescu LIKE YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW [17:10]
asciilifeform nah why do that when you can hang a man upside down and cut off his skin until have they key. [17:10]
BingoBoingo sure, or they throttle the white man's speed [17:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it wasn't discussed as anything more than a very vague possibility. just, your objections got rejected is all! [17:11]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo why would i get it in my own name ? [17:11]
mircea_popescu they don't have women in china, either ?! [17:11]
asciilifeform from the linked photo earlier, i am still uncertain they they have women.. [17:11]
asciilifeform women have curvez [17:11]
mircea_popescu that was a woman. [17:11]
mircea_popescu what, you mean like an ass ? [17:11]
mircea_popescu [17:13]
assbot ... ( ) [17:13]
lobbes << On the contrary. I was able to get the updated fork installed on my server Saturday, which contains the re-written RSS plugin. [17:21]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 04:38:13; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes your bot is dead ? [17:21]
lobbes Of course, with this update lobbesbot seems to have new problems communicating with assbot. In summary, all that is left is to figure out how to get lobbesbot to !up himself again.. [17:21]
mircea_popescu pm up dun werk ? [17:22]
lobbes for some reason, the OTP from assbot doesn't get sent to the messages.log like it used to pre-limnoria [17:22]
lobbes I'm sure I'm just missing something obvious [17:22]
trinque alright, well, this is the 3rd time I've had to get feeds going on mine [17:24]
trinque mind if I just keep doing it? [17:24]
lobbes well, I can't really say 'no.' If you've got a working solution, there's no need to wait for my derpage [17:25]
kakobrekla well, i dont mind who runs rss bot - but - usually we just let the chanserv do the bot voicing to make it simpler [17:25]
mircea_popescu iirc yes [17:25]
trinque parsimony strikes again; I'll endeavor to avoid busses [17:25]
trinque my bot voices himself [17:26]
kakobrekla yeah cause you are irrogant [17:26]
mircea_popescu trinque one of the best parts of this entire open experiment thingee is how the rss bot was by far the MOST redone part of all of b-a [17:26]
mircea_popescu i even lost count, we're on 7 now ? [17:26]
trinque oddly enough yes [17:26]
kakobrekla !s rss sucks [17:26]
assbot 3 results for 'rss sucks' : [17:26]
trinque something like that [17:26]
kakobrekla i even added rss to assbot for bens jeniks - which got shut down a day after. [17:28]
trinque I've had a working module for months at least, but was letting somebody else take a job [17:29]
trinque but lo, I am trinque, eater of bots [17:29]
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lobbes usually we just let the chanserv do the bot voicing to make it simpler << so, in other words, no need for assbot voicing? [17:31]
kakobrekla aha [17:31]
trinque how hard is it [17:33]
kakobrekla you avoid gpg [17:33]
trinque and? [17:33]
kakobrekla less code = better [17:33]
trinque no, the right amount of code is better [17:33]
kakobrekla the right amount being less in this particular case :) [17:34]
mircea_popescu it's really no huge deal either way, [17:35]
trinque so why don't you set rules for everyone to be autovoiced when authed with nickserv [17:35]
trinque as per some list [17:35]
trinque I don't want to spend another morning farting around with something as inconsequential as an RSS plugin [17:35]
kakobrekla do you expect to find shakespeare in your server logz? [17:36]
trinque I expect that someone who says "I will run an RSS bot" does it [17:36]
trinque so they don't waste my time [17:36]
mircea_popescu nah, the autovoice thing going away is prolly the right direction anyway [17:36]
trinque notably the bitching about how someone else wants to do it comes after I've put work into bringing mine back online [17:36]
mircea_popescu uh. did i miss something ? [17:36]
kakobrekla dunno, he seems pissed. [17:36]
trinque I'm not pissed at all. lobbes here seems to want to do scoops. [17:37]
lobbes trinque: not scoops, per se. I've just been on a quest to handle alf's phuctor feed [17:37]
lobbes the rest, I thought was williamdunne [17:37]
mircea_popescu yeah srsly much better stuff to get worked up over. [17:38]
mircea_popescu who was selling all those bitbet bets [17:46]
mircea_popescu ;;seen TheNewDeal [17:46]
gribble TheNewDeal was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 22 hours, 47 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: !down TheNewDeal [17:46]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell TheNewDeal care to make me an offer on ? :D [17:47]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:47]
assbot BitBet - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 18th September :: 1.48 B (14%) on Yes, 8.9 B (86%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 3 hours | weight: 59`576 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [17:47]
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trinque kakobrekla: at the time I wrote deedbot- there was an agreement that the thing should voice itself when I asked you to autovoice it. [17:51]
mircea_popescu that agreement was mostly me delicately pushing evolution. [17:51]
mircea_popescu it's not a bad thing, evolution. [17:51]
trinque seems the right way to me. fits using another means of communication at some later date, too [17:52]
trinque anywho, I am just trying to keep the gears turning. I'm not "pissed" [17:52]
mircea_popescu cool. [17:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform thinking about it, "choose this profession" thing might be the distillate of the issue. on one hand, the evidence that suchg a thinbg as "choosing your profession" even exuists in nature is slight at best. take the longstanding observation that "a young researcher will end up in that field where he encounters the first success". [17:53]
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mircea_popescu also the cui prodest analysis comes out very heavily charged. apparently the only people who'd benefit from you think "you chose" "your" "profession" are the people selling professions, and choice. [17:54]
mircea_popescu "now you chose it, it's yours, you gotta upkeep it" goes the taxation verbiage. just like... wait for it... [17:54]
mircea_popescu just like the puritan view of a wife. [17:54]
mircea_popescu meanwhile back at mr x's camp : he chose nothing and no profesion. he can eat here. what's your problem ? [17:54]
mircea_popescu and in those terms, your problem is "why are you such an asshole" which comes directly to "why don't you wash like we do". [17:55]
mircea_popescu his answer is plain : because nobody forced him to. [17:55]
mircea_popescu because you're not tough enough to, so there it goes. [17:55]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm not in the 'morals' business. but personally prefer the company of folks who wash, at least on occasion. [17:56]
asciilifeform and to work in fields where honest work is carried out at least on occasion [17:56]
asciilifeform etc. [17:56]
mircea_popescu i prefer the company of intelligent folks. [17:57]
mircea_popescu will put up with almost anything else. [17:57]
mircea_popescu but i can't stand dumb. [17:57]
asciilifeform dr y. wasn't dumb. merely entirely uninteresting, preoccupied with details of daily life as a not-especially-well-of d.c. resident, e.g., where the 'cheapest' petrol is to be had [17:58]
asciilifeform *off [17:58]
* mircea_popescu can readily envisage the situation where, being dirigiblewrecked on same lab, would prefer the company of mr x over pretty much everyone in the dept. [17:58]
kakobrekla !up williamdunne [17:58]
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kakobrekla now you can [17:58]
asciilifeform where to get new tires. [17:58]
mircea_popescu hm. [17:58]
mircea_popescu first generation transplant huh [17:58]
asciilifeform aha [17:58]
asciilifeform and not really perma-transplant [17:58]
asciilifeform but off-to-make-a-little-dough [17:59]
williamdunne +1 on auto-upping some nicks. I wanted to re-write Scoop in a language that doesn't use JIT and other such crap, but many languages lack GPG libraries that actually work. [17:59]
williamdunne i.e clisp lacks a documented library afaik [17:59]
williamdunne D required a hacky method of telling the application to use the command line [17:59]
mircea_popescu hopefully we get a pgp implementation that's usable sometime this side of the decade. [17:59]
mike_c don't we already have a scoop? [17:59]
asciilifeform williamdunne: please try to avoid referring to common lisp as 'clisp' in the interest of not confusing n00bz - clisp is a thing, it is a (pretty poor) free implementation of common lisp [17:59]
asciilifeform (a particular proggy) [17:59]
mike_c now maintained by someone who might keep it up more than a week [17:59]
asciilifeform << get it (or, i recommend, don't!) here [18:00]
assbot CLISP - an ANSI Common Lisp Implementation ... ( ) [18:00]
asciilifeform williamdunne: my current understanding is that there is not, on this planet, a 'gpg library that actually works' - period, full-stop. [18:01]
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williamdunne Ok, well lets settle on works well enough for the rather limited goal [18:02]
mircea_popescu consumers haven't come to expect. [18:02]
asciilifeform williamdunne: if you want to pgp, you're mostly stuck with shell call-outs to classical gpg. [18:02]
asciilifeform hope you're on a reasonable unix. [18:02]
asciilifeform and don't have sensitive key material in the mix. [18:02]
mike_c ^ why? [18:02]
mike_c can't do much useful without it. [18:03]
williamdunne I'm on Ubuntu running GnuPG 1.4.16 [18:03]
williamdunne mike_c: I'm assuming he's meaning airgapping [18:03]
asciilifeform timing and malformed-chosen-ciphertext attax, for instance. [18:03]
asciilifeform not to mention that there is no effective way to do this across airgap [18:03]
mike_c hm. mpex hasn't been cracked by that yet. [18:03]
asciilifeform mike_c: iirc mpex runs using meatbots carrying ciphertext/plaintext to/from. [18:04]
mike_c hehe, no way [18:04]
mike_c you send encrypted message, get encrypted response back in real time [18:04]
asciilifeform not if coin moves ? [18:04]
mike_c "coin".. you do on trades. [18:05]
mircea_popescu mpex is not open to general public tho [18:05]
asciilifeform i'll let mircea_popescu answer this one (if he feels like..) - iirc there is also a 'diode' in there somewhere [18:05]
mircea_popescu runs a sort of "can afford 50 btc" wot [18:05]
mike_c malformed ciphertext is just theoretical, no? never seen in wild? [18:06]
asciilifeform mike_c: depends what you mean 'the wild' [18:06]
mike_c i mean nobody (here) knows of any real example of this working. [18:06]
mike_c i mean, what's it going to do? root the box? I guess that's worst case. [18:07]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: you probably own one of the most valuable pgp/email lists going.. [18:07]
mircea_popescu nah, mpex is "potemkins all the way down". i read it on reddit. [18:08]
mircea_popescu also #b-a is just a treefort and so on [18:08]
williamdunne ;;ud potemkins [18:08]
gribble | Comes from a legend of Governor Potemkin of Crimea who supposedly created sham villages (Potemkin Villages) to impress his queen from a distance, but this ... [18:08]
mircea_popescu yeah amusingly i had the same problem lol [18:09]
williamdunne That's a pretty cool word [18:09]
williamdunne I like it [18:09]
mircea_popescu whathavei.jpg [18:09]
asciilifeform mike_c: the basic concept here is the same as in hygiene elsewhere. i, personally, do not know of anyone who has become ill from, e.g., eating rotting carcass. but i refrain nonetheless. [18:10]
asciilifeform re: 'in the wild.' [18:10]
asciilifeform generally you do not want to hook up a machine with sensitive keymat to public. [18:11]
asciilifeform if there is any way to avoid it. [18:11]
asciilifeform (including, imho most often, not doing the thing at all) [18:11]
mike_c sure, generally. but if you're building a pgp interface.. obviously assbot has done so [18:11]
asciilifeform assbot only verifies. [18:11]
asciilifeform it does not access privkeymat [18:11]
mike_c right. but if you want to build a service that has proper message security, how else to do it? [18:12]
asciilifeform meatnet. [18:12]
asciilifeform or not at all. [18:12]
mike_c well, don't tell that to mpex. [18:12]
asciilifeform meatnet, at least in weak form, doesn't have to mean gurlz carrying floppy disks [18:13]
asciilifeform could simply mean a 300 baud link over 'diode' and optical fiber, to next room, with 24/7 eyes watching the text [18:13]
trinque heh, sounds a lot like the human fuel gauge in Waterworld [18:14]
asciilifeform aha. [18:14]
trinque [18:15]
assbot ... ( ) [18:15]
mircea_popescu "MegaIndex - powerfull analytics tool which allows to get comprehensive report about web-site's incoming and outgoing links." <, in other news, i am persuaded 50% or more of webtrafic is meta. [18:15]
mircea_popescu people trying to figure out whence other people get traffic. [18:15]
asciilifeform nah. trying to figure out whence other people get their meta. [18:16]
mircea_popescu ironically enough, i serve millions of pages/day to various of these idiots, and none yet has managed to observe that they do not get articles. [18:16]
mircea_popescu because srsly, trilema paid content thing "is just not done" [18:16]
mircea_popescu so bing and yahoo and ahrefs and who have you dozens of names literally still dutifully "index" [18:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is certain they don't see articles? what kinda spammer uses anything but a fresh ip ? [18:17]
mircea_popescu and prepare "rteports" and their granny on a stick. [18:17]
thestringpuller trinque: ah. I remember that scene. [18:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform these guys. they don't think themselves spammers. [18:17]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: will the eyes scale? if a lot of cipher text turds are being thrown around you'd have to have a lot of eyes, as I can't imagine this scaling very well. [18:18]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: my kitchen doesn't scale either. [18:18]
mircea_popescu it doesn't ?! [18:18]
asciilifeform nor my toilet can accomodate 10,000 shits per day [18:18]
trinque not with that attitude [18:18]
asciilifeform !b 4 [18:18]
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mircea_popescu lmao. [18:18]
mircea_popescu come to shenzen, we make 10k fit. [18:18]
* asciilifeform half-sold already [18:19]
mircea_popescu anyone remember that retarded chinese satellite launch thing where all the hopped up boys had to report PLAN OVERDELIVERED!!! [18:19]
mircea_popescu "1.8 seconds faster than" [18:19]
mircea_popescu "blablabla". [18:19]
mircea_popescu so asciilifeform shit thinner, faster, be a shenzen-er today! [18:19]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: the clockwork orange method i see. [18:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, what's so hot about shenzen in particular [18:20]
asciilifeform why not, e.g., wuhan [18:21]
asciilifeform (where they make spiffy pcb !) [18:21]
asciilifeform or hk for that matter.. [18:21]
mircea_popescu not hot at all. i just picked a random name, cuz some interwebs chick was from there. then you got all immuno-responsive on me. [18:21]
asciilifeform l0l [18:22]
mircea_popescu as if they ate your dog or something [18:22]
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asciilifeform nah, dog i could go for [18:22]
mircea_popescu they ate your... penis ? [18:22]
asciilifeform (can one milk dog ?) [18:22]
mircea_popescu yup. [18:22]
mircea_popescu it's disgustingly sweet. [18:22]
* asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu has considered/tried singapore [18:24]
mircea_popescu still with the fucking islands ? [18:26]
asciilifeform sg is an island like staten island, new york [18:26]
mircea_popescu i don't live on staten island, either. [18:27]
asciilifeform not overly fond of the sea, i take it ? [18:28]
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mircea_popescu btw you ever seen their formidable class ? [18:28]
mircea_popescu "we found some old tigers and we made them boats!" [18:28]
mircea_popescu and im very fond of the sea for just as long as the distance between us is my decision. [18:29]
mircea_popescu like with any other woman. [18:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: altimeter solves that one, no? [18:30]
mircea_popescu mno. [18:30]
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mircea_popescu Bitcoin Professionals - Looking For Bitcoin Talent? Ad <<< someone got so many "bitcoin professionals" they're paying google to help give them away. [18:42]
mircea_popescu "A Certified Bitcoin Professional is knowledgeable about the Bitcoin blockchain, Bitcoin transactions, and how the Bitcoin network operates. CBPs are able to apply Bitcoin technology to their professional area of expertise" [18:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: old lulz, [18:44]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2015 23:29:43; thestringpuller: asciilifeform: random question. If someone paid for you to take Buterin's C4 (Certified Bitcoin Professional) exam, would you do it? [18:44]
mircea_popescu oh. [18:44]
asciilifeform yeah that one [18:44]
mircea_popescu lolz. [18:44]
mircea_popescu you know this occurs to me - it WOULD be helpful if we had an actual "Bitcoin Basics Qualification" thing. [18:45]
mircea_popescu so random person can score their own proficiency. [18:45]
asciilifeform what'd that be [18:45]
mircea_popescu same thing as the color test was. or should have been, [18:45]
asciilifeform imho 'had x coin last year, still have it now' is a pretty good test [18:45]
mircea_popescu "do you see a 5 here ? no ? you're blind mofo" [18:45]
asciilifeform even if slow [18:46]
mircea_popescu good if unrelated. [18:46]
mircea_popescu "had a cunt 5years ago, still has it - clearly qualified as woman" [18:46]
mircea_popescu depends. [18:46]
* mircea_popescu is half tempted to write this. [18:47]
asciilifeform write^! [18:47]
mircea_popescu dja promise to lol at it ? [18:48]
asciilifeform i most certainly shall. [18:48]
* asciilifeform off for a spell [18:48]
mircea_popescu wtf am i gonna do tho, make it multiple choice ?! [18:48]
mats djia closes another 500 hundred points down [18:49]
mircea_popescu mats aha [18:49]
mats lulululul [18:49]
mats am no longer unsure about my decision last month to empty my retirement savings plan and buy buttcoins [18:50]
mats by no means do I think this is safe, but hey, risk taking is for the young [18:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37850 @ 0.00071948 = 27.2323 BTC [-] [18:56]
mats [19:01]
assbot Starcraft - Software News - OpenPandora Boards ... ( ) [19:01]
mats Starcraft REd to run on ARM [19:01]
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assbot Silicon Valley's infamous 'Startup Castle' is getting evicted | Fusion ... ( ) [19:13]
mircea_popescu !j [19:13]
mircea_popescu !h [19:13]
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mircea_popescu mats cool, it could join the armory ? [19:14]
mircea_popescu (the armory) [19:14]
mats TIL bought The Armory on Mission St [19:15]
mats passed by many times, had no idea [19:16]
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mircea_popescu long ago [19:18]
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mats lulz [19:25]
assbot An (Important) Disproof Of The One-Time Pad | TechCrunch ... ( ) [19:25]
punkman ^special kind of tard? [19:28]
ben_vulpes << product of the local 'feel good and have bad ideas' woodchipper [19:32]
assbot SXSW PanelPicker ... ( ) [19:32]
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mats >the three-judge panel upheld U.S. District Judge Esther Salas’ ruling that the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has the authority under the “unfairness” prong of Section 5 of the FTC Act to bring suit against companies over data security practices. [19:46]
mats now just how this is gonna play will be amusing to watch [19:46]
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BingoBoingo "addr" : "", "subver" : "/UMD-Coinscope:0.0/", "startingheight" : 346223, << Fuckers aren't even completely sync'd [19:52]
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punkman danielpbarron: were you leaving comments at vice? [19:53]
danielpbarron yeah that one time and yeah it was a webchat link naming the victim "from_vice" [19:53]
danielpbarron was a few months ago if i recall correctly [19:54]
punkman just saw the trailer for this [19:58]
assbot ... ( ) [19:58]
asciilifeform << mega-l0l!! [19:58]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 22:23:52; mats: lulz [19:58]
asciilifeform this is almost as good as the 'monty hall problem' tard-sauce [19:59]
pete_dushenski punkman lol 'halal pictures presents' [19:59]
danielpbarron my 0.5.4-beta node is up to height=231807 and syncing much faster than any machine i've ever maintained (due in part to the wonderful DISCARD BASTARD BLOCK feature, and in part to this particular machine having 8 gigs of ram) [19:59]
pete_dushenski almost as good as kosher [19:59]
punkman not sure why, but I love this composition [19:59]
assbot ... ( ) [19:59]
asciilifeform was that thing even serious? [20:00]
asciilifeform or a parody piece [20:00]
asciilifeform i can't tell [20:00]
punkman asciilifeform: he even has an app that uses OTPs [20:00]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron nice [20:01]
asciilifeform i mean, this is 'tungsten melts in your mouth'-grade tardation [20:02]
BingoBoingo 43 is teal [20:03]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell trinque [20:04]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:04]
assbot Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [20:04]
trinque deedbot-: feeds add [20:04]
deedbot- added. [20:04]
asciilifeform re: the evicted 'castle': 'Do you have a fancy college degree or a job in a STEM field? Do you have fewer than two tattoos? Do you avoid Tinder dates and songs with explicit lyrics? Do you spend more than two hours a day exercising? Then you may be qualified to live at the Startup Castle, a self-proclaimed “community of excellence” located in a 17,000-square foot mansion in Woodside, California, just minutes from Stanford [20:04]
asciilifeform ’s campus.' (from same rag) [20:04]
assbot Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [20:04]
deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Loon - [20:04]
deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Blackout - [20:04]
deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] A Beautiful Mind - [20:04]
deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] So what’s a “client” in the Roman sense of the term ? - [20:04]
deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Blood and guts, pain and pleasure, creation and destruction. - [20:04]
danielpbarron especially nice considering that i'm using one of my old 5400 IDE-cable hard drives, and not even in a mirroring raid! [20:04]
asciilifeform ( ) [20:05]
assbot Silicon Valley's 'Startup Castle' is looking for roommates, and the requirements are completely bonkers | Fusion ... ( ) [20:05]
asciilifeform ^ pure lulgold [20:05]
punkman trinque: you gotta make the thing not post the backlog [20:05]
trinque why? [20:05]
pete_dushenski trinque guess i coulda done that too eh. but thx! [20:06]
trinque it only listens to me at the moment [20:06]
trinque and np [20:06]
pete_dushenski << truly the darndest thing. [20:07]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 20:24:27; mircea_popescu: trinque one of the best parts of this entire open experiment thingee is how the rss bot was by far the MOST redone part of all of b-a [20:07]
trinque keeping things alive is the hardest problem [20:07]
pete_dushenski for bots as for people [20:08]
pete_dushenski as for plants etc [20:08]
trinque indeed [20:08]
BingoBoingo Well pete_dushenski Your blog is the one that tends to send RSS botmakers running screaming [20:08]
pete_dushenski ikr! [20:09]
pete_dushenski the 'contravex curse' [20:09]
BingoBoingo Or maybe you just really have done something deeply and utterly wrong with your RSS [20:09]
pete_dushenski we'll now see how deedbot-'s immune system holds up against it [20:09]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo not impossibru, but i really haven't diddled with it. then again, perhaps that's the issue [20:10]
pete_dushenski why should i expect anything to work out of the box ? [20:11]
BingoBoingo Maybe you sleep diddled it? Maybe RSS just really dun like Jooz. [20:11]
pete_dushenski what is this, the future ? [20:11]
BingoBoingo Unfortunately [20:11]
ben_vulpes wordpress ca. 2014 iirc when you set your thing up [20:11]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo rss likes trilema well enough. and i'll be damned if it's smart enough to tell the difference between mp's jooiness and mine [20:12]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes true, but same for qntra [20:12]
BingoBoingo MP's just jooey, but not jooish [20:12]
BingoBoingo Could be your "theme" [20:13]
BingoBoingo Could be some derpy plugin [20:13]
pete_dushenski in any event [20:14]
pete_dushenski trinque's on it now [20:14]
trinque anybody sees any weirdness, just lemme know. [20:15]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes you catch this ? [20:17]
assbot Loon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [20:17]
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asciilifeform 'Imagine one day having your bed converted into a bunk bed without your consent. Being promised food to be included in the fee you pay only to be yelled at when the food runs out. Witnessing an ex-military dude marching around the house yelling at people who didn’t “keep their shit clean enough”. ' [20:27]
asciilifeform l0l! [20:27]
asciilifeform 'This place is a prison. It’s like living in the Hotel California, except we can’t even drink wine here.' [20:27]
mats paying 1k/mo to share a room in this place [20:30]
mats genius [20:30]
asciilifeform komyoonity of excellence !!1111!!111 [20:30]
asciilifeform i admit that i kinda half expect this sort of thing to catch on [20:31]
asciilifeform 'millenials' enlisting in some crackpot 'boot camp' and paying for the privilege of receiving the whippings father never gave'em, etc [20:32]
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pete_dushenski 'Ben & Pete’s Magickal Skool For Kidz Who Can Mebbe Not Suck' (tm) (r) [20:34]
pete_dushenski << what sort of stuck is this ? [20:38]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 15:39:08; PeterL: well, I have had it stuck in a "retirement account" for a few years now, seemed like a good idea back when I put it in ... bleh [20:38]
pete_dushenski sure, there are rules, regs, penalties, and whatever nonsense between you and your 401k bezzlars, but it's not like a little pain and a little friction now isn't a damned reasonable price to pay to avoid a lot of pain and an impossible amount of friction later [20:39]
pete_dushenski i had the same 'stuck' in 2013 and i can tell you that it's not the end of the world to unjam [20:40]
pete_dushenski anyone in a similar position is henceforth advised that, yes, it's possible to become unstuck from retirement scams that you will never see the proceeds from [20:41]
pete_dushenski and it requires no special training [20:41]
pete_dushenski just. do. it. [20:41]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: there's precisely one that this doesn't work for [20:41]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: do you know which ? [20:42]
pete_dushenski hm. i do not. [20:42]
pete_dushenski the retiree eating out of his savings fund ? [20:42]
asciilifeform it's the one where plantation owner doesn't see any logical reason to give the slave anything to store up [20:42]
asciilifeform because his 'retirement' is.. last bullet [20:42]
punkman asciilifeform: not like there's much left in the retirement funds here, but this is not possible [20:43]
asciilifeform mega-possible [20:43]
asciilifeform and pete_dushenski has it. [20:43]
asciilifeform i fully expect to eat every penny i ever saved, at some point, and then starve. [20:44]
deedbot- [Qntra] Twitter Forbids Monitoring Politician's Deleted Tweets - [20:44]
asciilifeform 'Indeed imagine a world where messages broadcasted publicly could be recorded. A world where screen shots and web archiving tools can preserve the content of broadcasted messages indefinitely, and where comparing the publication medium to an archived record can reveal otherwise unannounced retractions. In short imagine the real world as it actually is.' << gold [20:44]
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pete_dushenski haha yup, homerun. [20:45]
BingoBoingo thank you asciilifeform [20:45]
BingoBoingo and pete_dushenski [20:46]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform you and mp's grandpa with your starving [20:47]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: not same starvation [20:48]
mircea_popescu a which reminds me, trinque make sure pete_dushenski blog is only rss'd like randopmly one in 5 [20:48]
mircea_popescu got traditions to upkeep :D [20:48]
asciilifeform l0l [20:48]
pete_dushenski ha! [20:48]
pete_dushenski keeping me in the stone age eh ? [20:48]
pete_dushenski well, that's tradition for ya [20:48]
asciilifeform ;;later tell felipelalli you sent the thing to ~me~ instead of the ml [20:49]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:49]
pete_dushenski [20:49]
assbot Fiddler on the roof tradition - YouTube ... ( ) [20:49]
pete_dushenski ^saw local production of fiddler last night as part of 'the fringe' festival (as was covered in recent contravex reviews). unfortunately, other than a hell of a tevye and a rather lovely hodel, the cast of 45 was unbearably atrocious [20:52]
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felipelalli asciilifeform, I sent you two things. Which one should I send to the mailing list? [20:52]
pete_dushenski cows with tuning forks up their asses could hold a better tune than golde [20:52]
felipelalli The fix? [20:52]
asciilifeform felipelalli: anything pertaining to therealbitcoin [20:53]
pete_dushenski the local production had this 'make accessible' and 'involve whole community' mandate branded on their stupid skulls, with entirely predictable results [20:53]
felipelalli asciilifeform, ok, I'm sorry. I did not want to pollute the list. [20:53]
pete_dushenski the riff-raff they let in wouldn't cut it in any of the high school or junior high productions i was in [20:54]
asciilifeform but polluting my mailbox is a-ok? l0l [20:54]
asciilifeform if it pertains to therealbitcoin, it belongs on the list [20:54]
felipelalli asciilifeform, ok, I'll try :) [20:56]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell felipelalli you sent the thing to ~me~ instead of the ml <<< ahahaha epic. [20:58]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski thatre's a dead concern everywhere. and even opera. [20:59]
asciilifeform ludovic xiv may say 'l'etat c'est moi', but i am not therealbitcoin ! [20:59]
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asciilifeform felipelalli, others: [20:59]
felipelalli I sent to this. [21:00]
asciilifeform mno. [21:00]
asciilifeform you didn't. [21:00]
mircea_popescu !up phf_ [21:01]
-assbot- You voiced phf_ for 30 minutes. [21:01]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu sounds like it's definitely dead in buenos aires [21:02]
mircea_popescu scala is fucking dead. [21:02]
pete_dushenski since when ? [21:03]
mircea_popescu at least a decade. [21:05]
thestringpuller wassup pete_dushenski [21:05]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu hm [21:05]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller hey dude [21:05]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller i've only ever migrated a blog from wp to wp [21:06]
pete_dushenski trying googling 'migrate from tumblr to wp' [21:06]
pete_dushenski or something to that effect [21:06]
pete_dushenski << speaking of 'millenial' living conditions [21:10]
assbot How one German millennial chose to live on trains rather than pay rent - The Washington Post ... ( ) [21:10]
pete_dushenski "financially, she benefits from living on a train: The flat-rate ticket costs her about $380, whereas she had to pay about $450 for her previous apartment." [21:10]
trinque definitely not poverty, no. it's a lifestyle choice. [21:15]
asciilifeform achtung, panzers! [21:16]
asciilifeform mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: [21:16]
asciilifeform [21:16]
assbot [BTC-dev] orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) ... ( ) [21:16]
trinque mircea_popescu | a which reminds me, trinque make sure pete_dushenski blog is only rss'd like randopmly one in 5 << lol, we'll see how it goes [21:16]
trinque asciilifeform: neat [21:17]
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mircea_popescu anyway, im writing this "Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification", bbs. [21:19]
asciilifeform felipelalli: you gotta be in l2 to write to the ml. [21:23]
asciilifeform !rate felipelalli 1 therealbitcoin tester [21:24]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [21:24]
asciilifeform !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.felipelalli.1:2951510f4374b25561726239e37964d38c3e3dbdca8486ea7d63620deef0271f [21:24]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for felipelalli with note: therealbitcoin tester [21:24]
trinque !gettrust assbot felipelalli [21:25]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. | | [21:25]
trinque asciilifeform: ^ [21:25]
asciilifeform hm. [21:25]
trinque he can up himself here, and submit deeds [21:25]
asciilifeform then nfi. [21:25]
asciilifeform jurov awake? [21:25]
asciilifeform jurov: anything in caught in turdatron gluetrap from felipelalli ? [21:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52359 @ 0.00071734 = 37.5592 BTC [-] [21:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43797 @ 0.0007205 = 31.5557 BTC [+] {2} [21:32]
asciilifeform 'Fork of python-gnupg-0.3.2, patched to fix a potential vulnerability which could result in remote code execution, do to unsanitised inputs being passed to subprocess.Popen([...], shell=True)' [21:34]
asciilifeform aahahahahaha [21:34]
trinque it is at this point I'll note for the attentive readers that I parse my inputs myself, tyvm [21:35]
trinque this aside from the beauty of dealing only in one's WoT [21:36]
asciilifeform ( ) [21:38]
assbot isislovecruft/python-gnupg · GitHub ... ( ) [21:38]
asciilifeform creates more questions than answers - why this fix, if essential, not snarfed upstream, for instance ? [21:38]
phf "gem" culture? [21:39]
asciilifeform ? [21:39]
phf like ruby gems, famous for having a fashionable veneer ("we do DSL like lisp!") and horrible buggy 80% code [21:40]
phf is a standard answer to "howto in ruby?" "we use pegster gem with mustashbar extension, though lately we've been migrating to fellater gem" [21:42]
pete_dushenski << there's always, say, istria, riga, or montreal [21:43]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 17:27:24; mircea_popescu: it was originally interesting, "check it out, the kitsch version of us collapse, 20 years early" but eventually one has enough. [21:43]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i can't picture him choosing to walk usg earth again [21:43]
asciilifeform which istria, riga, montreal all are. [21:44]
* pete_dushenski goes back to drawing board [21:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform & everyone interested : [21:44]
assbot Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [21:44]
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* asciilifeform reads [21:44]
mircea_popescu note that it's a draft yet at rfc stage and im still actively working on it [21:44]
mircea_popescu so make sugestions. [21:45]
mircea_popescu just - the broad scheme should be visible, so might as well share. [21:45]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform though riga is damn near russian territory, and if not yet, soon to be again [21:45]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: rigs is a holy place to me, but only for so long as the golden little tins keep a'comin' [21:45]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: << them [21:46]
assbot ... ( ) [21:46]
asciilifeform *riga [21:46]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: but i have given up trying to fit some kind of earthling logic to mircea_popescu's moves [21:47]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: spiffy quiz piece [21:49]
mircea_popescu what's missing ? [21:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: some suggested items, in no particular order, here goes, [21:50]
mircea_popescu especially re the math and cs. [21:50]
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mircea_popescu (/me doubts anyone here would pass section B, fwiw) [21:50]
asciilifeform mathematics. 'what is a trapdoor function?' [21:50]
mircea_popescu instead of hash ? [21:51]
mircea_popescu i was aiming for that nebulous cloud. [21:51]
asciilifeform aha. broader concept. [21:51]
mircea_popescu good point huh. [21:51]
mircea_popescu ima do that instead of hash. [21:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is hands-down the part 'b' lecturer, aha [21:52]
mircea_popescu dont want too much googlable shit anyway [21:52]
asciilifeform i won't even touch 'b' [21:52]
asciilifeform though how did b-3 end up there ? [21:52]
mircea_popescu "bitcoin - be your own bank! wut ?" [21:53]
asciilifeform i suppose that'd be a hint as to the answer, wouldntit [21:53]
asciilifeform (the 'chained ciphers' one) [21:53]
mircea_popescu oh b-5 [21:53]
mircea_popescu mistake fixing [21:53]
asciilifeform i still don't see it, btw. if re-encrypting could result in weakening, it would be a cryptoanalytic tool (as it in fact is for certain misimplemented rsatrons, actually) [21:54]
mircea_popescu right ? [21:54]
mircea_popescu but you presume you'd use the same thing. [21:55]
mircea_popescu whereas no. this is not said. [21:55]
asciilifeform re: the rsa thing, 'superencryption' is the term of art [21:55]
asciilifeform same thing ? [21:55]
mircea_popescu you think we
e discussing F(F(F(x))) whereas we did not say a=b=F
asciilifeform the use of multiple ciphersystems, presumably (if operator is not entirely retarded) would be something like 'first aes with key k1, then the output with serpent and key k2, then twofish with k3....' etc [21:56]
mircea_popescu right [21:56]
asciilifeform this was not the scheme intended in this puzzle ? [21:56]
mircea_popescu it was, yes. [21:57]
asciilifeform i am at a total loss as to how this results in a weaker system [21:57]
asciilifeform unless catastrophically misimplemented [21:57]
mircea_popescu in one famous case, because this allows you to pass a null parameter [21:57]
asciilifeform in such a way as to make the above description false [21:57]
mircea_popescu which the underlying function is not ready to handle [21:57]
asciilifeform aha then this. [21:57]
mircea_popescu well yes that. [21:57]
asciilifeform but this is rather like 'don't use division in your proggy because you might divide by zero' [21:58]
mircea_popescu it did not say at any point "do" or "do not do". [21:58]
mircea_popescu it inquires as to what you know. [21:58]
asciilifeform hm ok [21:58]
asciilifeform some more randoms, [21:58]
asciilifeform chapter 'c'. 'explain the second-system effect and discuss a well-known case' [21:59]
mircea_popescu good! [21:59]
asciilifeform 'a' - define nash's equilibrium [22:00]
mircea_popescu instead of schelling maybe ? [22:00]
asciilifeform not quite same item, but if one must have one, i'd have nash's [22:00]
mircea_popescu yeah, you're right [22:00]
asciilifeform (schelling's is rather less rigorous of an animal) [22:00]
mircea_popescu so it is. [22:00]
deedbot- [Trilema] Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification - [22:00]
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Adlai mircea_popescu: re #1, AG /= DAG [22:01]
asciilifeform where did he say the 'directed' ? [22:01]
Adlai he didn't [22:01]
mircea_popescu Adlai yes but let the answerer point this out [22:01]
mircea_popescu there's a science to these [22:01]
Adlai mircea_popescu: well shit, now any shmuck that reads the logs can do so. sorry bout that... [22:01]
mircea_popescu no big deal. [22:02]
mircea_popescu this is what learning is : reading the logs. [22:02]
Adlai mno. [22:02]
mircea_popescu what, you think i was born with it or something. [22:02]
asciilifeform 'd' - 'what is meant by a sybil attack?' [22:02]
mircea_popescu im putting it in 6. [22:03]
mircea_popescu (imo it was in 6 already, but anyway) [22:03]
Adlai [22:03]
assbot Quote by George Carlin: “Don’t just teach your children to read… [22:03]
asciilifeform 'd' (or 'a') - 'what is perfect forward secrecy?' [22:03]
mircea_popescu a. [22:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "Discuss perfect forward secrecy, in the broader context of mathematical guarantees." [22:05]
mircea_popescu imo nails it [22:05]
asciilifeform ^ [22:05]
* Adlai would also add to Section A something about ECC [22:05]
BingoBoingo i won't even touch 'b' << I might work on answering the b problems as they materialize [22:06]
asciilifeform Adlai: it's an exam, not an open-problems list [22:06]
mircea_popescu i dun think ecc is integral to bitcoin [22:06]
asciilifeform unless you meant 'error-correcting code' [22:06]
mircea_popescu and this is not a "bitcoin technician" test. [22:06]
asciilifeform 'a' or 'd' - 'describe three mutually-orthogonal notions of 'entropy', and their applications.' [22:07]
mircea_popescu nice but nah. [22:07]
asciilifeform gotta ask something about 'random' though [22:07]
mircea_popescu that's for a different class. [22:07]
asciilifeform it is a very common basic logical mistake among the students. [22:07]
mircea_popescu i do not think you actually have to have the concept of random to have bitcoin [22:07]
Adlai well not literally "say something about ECC"... how about: "given [idiotically-signed] transactions A and B, recover the private key [mis]used in their signatures" [22:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: eh sure you do [22:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: or hard to explain the 'android incident' etc [22:08]
mircea_popescu easy to explain. idjits. [22:08]
Adlai why? because if they don't, somebody else will. [22:08]
mircea_popescu let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin". [22:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: without concept of randomness, it is impossible to explain why it is that what the idjits did was idjotic [22:08]
mircea_popescu i don't think it was idiotic. they spent their bitcoin. [22:09]
Adlai "i do not think you actually have to have the concept of random to have bitcoin" << this actually goes hand-in-hand with my suggestion! [22:09]
mircea_popescu why exactly is this a problem ? [22:09]
* asciilifeform very confused [22:09]
mircea_popescu this is also not a "how to save" or "how to put out fires" guide. [22:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lemme put it this way : their problem has nothing to do with bitcoin, but with their head. [22:10]
asciilifeform and this does not apply to the rest of the quiz items ? [22:10]
Adlai this question is a "how to avoid derping your client's funds" [22:10]
mircea_popescu does not, no. [22:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform let's for a second presume, as a thought experiment, that magically any call to a random function returned 5. [22:10]
mircea_popescu this as a rule of the universe, not avoidable. perfectly deterministic anything and everything. [22:10]
mircea_popescu i put it to you bitcoion would still exist and function. [22:11]
asciilifeform << everybody knows it's 4!!!1111 [22:11]
assbot ... ( ) [22:11]
Adlai cf [22:11]
assbot Sony's PS3 Security is Epic Fail - Videos Within - PSX-Scene ... ( ) [22:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: function ?! [22:11]
mircea_popescu yes. [22:11]
mircea_popescu as now. [22:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you can't nondeterministically create the addrs, OR the nonces, you're fucked [22:11]
asciilifeform as in, anyone can take anything. [22:12]
Adlai let's put it this way: either they should pass this (ie, my question); or they should understand 'random'; or i give up and have a little giggle [22:12]
mircea_popescu you don't have to use THE SAME ecc. [22:12]
BingoBoingo In other news << The reason was the program's abysmal job placement [22:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how the fuck can one say 'it functions' if i can divine all of your keys [22:12]
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BingoBoingo let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin". << An Vexual has most priviledged access to most random [22:12]
Adlai fwiw, you don't need randomness for secure key reuse, just RFC 6979 [22:13]
Adlai for the l0gz: [22:13]
* mircea_popescu ponders if he took it too far [22:13]
assbot RFC 6979 - Deterministic Usage of the Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA) and Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (ECDSA) ... ( ) [22:13]
Adlai mircea_popescu: don't worry, so does satoshi :P [22:13]
asciilifeform Adlai: you still need non-guessable privkeys [22:13]
mircea_popescu yeah ok, "all functions" does not work, i give. and it's not sal;vageable. [22:13]
Adlai asciilifeform: meh, just hash a photo of your cat [22:14]
asciilifeform i do wish that mircea_popescu were right about this, it would make for an interesting mathemagical mindfuck [22:14]
asciilifeform Adlai: this invokes notions of 'random' [22:14]
mircea_popescu and if we ARE stuck with some sort of randomness in there, contrary to my original intuition, [22:14]
mircea_popescu entropy ios probably best. [22:14]
Adlai asciilifeform: this invokes notions of 'gives up and has a giggle' [22:14]
asciilifeform hence why i suggested it.. [22:14]
mircea_popescu yeah. ima put it in A. [22:14]
mircea_popescu aren't 3 too many ? [22:14]
mircea_popescu ima ask for 2. [22:14]
asciilifeform i can think 3 entirely-orthogonal that have come up here. [22:15]
* Adlai still thinks there's more at hand than mere than key *generation* [22:15]
Adlai you can't just use keys anywhichway. [22:15]
mircea_popescu Adlai the idea being that if they have a decent understanding of fundamentals [22:15]
mircea_popescu they'll be fine/ [22:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform me too, but... [22:16]
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Adlai tell it to that guy building tin woman out of aluminium, after hall-heroult [22:16]
mircea_popescu lol [22:16]
* Adlai isn't the only one giggling now! yay [22:16]
* assbot gives voice to mike_c [22:17]
asciilifeform rot13: [22:17]
asciilifeform bar - enaqbz va gur frafr bs haxabja-gb naq hathrffnoyr-ol gur bccbarag. gjb - va gur frafr bs orvat fryrpgrq nf n erfhyg bs n fgngvfgvpnyyl-fzbbgu cebprff - r.t., onynaprq ebhyrggr jurry be snve pbva. guerr - enaqbz va gur frafr bs nccrnevat gb unir uvtu nytbevguzvp (xbyzbtbebi, punvgva) pbzcyrkvgl. r.t., qvtvgf bs 'cv' ner (3) ohg abg (2) naq hfhnyyl abg (1). [22:17]
Adlai tl;drot13 [22:17]
asciilifeform hey it wants to be a quiz [22:17]
mircea_popescu ;;google [22:17]
gribble Rot13: ; ROT13 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; ROT13 - [22:17]
asciilifeform i oughtn't just fuck it for people [22:17]
mircea_popescu the way this test is designed, not only is lying a theft against oneself, as these things usually are - but moreover it leaves a trail and there's something to bitterly regret later. [22:18]
mircea_popescu so i'm not too worried. [22:18]
asciilifeform well yes, but ideally folks who are reading this can try the puzzle first, then see the hints [22:19]
mircea_popescu yeah. [22:19]
mike_c i like this thing, a lot [22:19]
mircea_popescu :) [22:19]
Adlai mircea_popescu: Econ#5, "programmatically-issued"? [22:19]
Adlai this seems like too-abstract a wording, unless one of your implied prerequisites is internet telepathy [22:19]
mike_c not as much as a certification, cuz i don't gives a fuk, but as a reading list. like, if you can't answer this, go research it. [22:20]
mircea_popescu lemme see if anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors. [22:20]
asciilifeform 'd' - 'what is coevolution?' [22:20]
mircea_popescu Adlai the opposite of "centrally-issued". [22:20]
mircea_popescu mike_c kinda its main utility. [22:20]
mircea_popescu as with all examinations ever. [22:20]
* Adlai finds himself confused; must be that incompetence, acting up again [22:20]
mike_c i mean, this is the long-lost "how do I learn bitcoin" [22:21]
mircea_popescu Adlai well there isn't a word cause it's new! [22:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, too biology. [22:21]
* Adlai suspects 'deterministic' may be one side, or the other [22:21]
mircea_popescu hey, ever seen biolo made an adverb before ? [22:21]
* BingoBoingo suggest section E: Biology [22:22]
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mircea_popescu lol. fortunately, slavekeeping not a requirement. [22:22]
mike_c mircea_popescu: you want comments here or in trilema? [22:22]
mircea_popescu in trilema ideally [22:22]
mircea_popescu esp if longer and so forth. [22:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not strictly biological; e.g., winblowz virii qualify [22:22]
asciilifeform as 'coevolve' [22:22]
mircea_popescu yeah but... [22:22]
mircea_popescu not that it's not interesting. but this is already a major asspoking. [22:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the one sad result of this exercise is that in fact it turns out a privileged relationship to randomness is an ingredient. [22:24]
mircea_popescu it's not just ntp ;/ [22:24]
mike_c uh, ur commenting shit on my comment [22:24]
mike_c cut half of it off [22:24]
mircea_popescu mike_c did you put < in there ? [22:24]
mike_c two of em [22:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not just this! gotta have access to arithmetic, even! [22:24]
mircea_popescu either < or something. esp <--- is a comment. [22:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform myeah. [22:25]
asciilifeform srsly designers of microcomps helped to spread the most bizarre misconceptions about what is rare and costly and what is common as shit [22:25]
asciilifeform entropy is squarely in the latter class [22:25]
mircea_popescu (one will note that the arithmetic basic is in pm economy too - the original way to lose your coinz was to not know how to count) [22:25]
asciilifeform but just about everyone mentally places it in the former [22:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is kinda what literacy is about, i think [22:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform water idem. [22:25]
mircea_popescu go run in the desert. [22:26]
asciilifeform not having to trust someone else to read the scrollz [22:26]
mircea_popescu how "common" something is in principle does not mean it doesn't have to be on the supply list. [22:26]
Adlai "not to know how to count" << for logz and lolz: [22:27]
assbot [ANN] Joinmarket - Coinjoin that people will actually use ... ( ) [22:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: water in sahara, air in orbit, entropy on ibm pc... [22:27]
asciilifeform Adlai: another more subtle example, see the earlier link today with the 'otp was debunked now!111!!11!' imbecile [22:28]
asciilifeform (example of 'arithmetically-challenged-and-doesn't-know-it') [22:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'd' - 'what is a man-in-the-middle attack' [22:30]
Adlai "all i know is that i know all" [22:30]
mike_c anybody looking for a job in bitcoin - take that article, turn it into a course. [22:30]
mike_c there's your syllabus [22:30]
mike_c teach it, charge for it [22:30]
Adlai mike_c: "a job", implying somebody pays you... sounds more like an enterprise [22:30]
asciilifeform gonna be tough considering how we teach right here, for phree [22:31]
* Adlai assumes the business model would be "pay us to troll you gentlyer" [22:31]
mike_c I don't think so. In here is different. Experts learning from experts. [22:31]
Adlai mike_c: well i guess i should leave then! [22:31]
mike_c hanbot: I would think that would a pre-req for charging, yeah. [22:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm trying to form a mental model of the how+why of certain quiz items; for instance, why is rawls in there, but not, e.g, 'describe what is a bucket shop' [22:34]
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mike_c Adlai: well then you should take the course :) [22:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'a' - 'what is idempotence ?' [22:35]
* Adlai is genuinely curious who here defines themselves an "expert", and in what field... not that nobody can make a valid claim, just... curious [22:36]
asciilifeform Adlai: generally, this determination is made by.. one's peers (not by amoeba, no. peers.) [22:36]
asciilifeform but not, usually, by self [22:37]
mike_c Adlai: my point wasn't that we're a bunch of geniuses, more that there are better venues to learn something in depth like what is a sybil attack. [22:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'distinguish 'fail-safe' and 'fail-deadly' mechanisms. give a common example of each.' [22:38]
mike_c I'm sticking by it. Once you know what a sybil attack is, this is a good venue to learn why what you know isn't quite right. [22:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'describe what is steganography, and name a successful and a catastrophic instance of its use' [22:39]
mike_c but I don't think there's a ton of patience in here for teaching 101 courses. [22:39]
asciilifeform hanbot: i dare say that the concept of idempotence is key re: bitcoin [22:39]
mike_c of course, i'm wrong at least 50% of the time. anyhoo, I like the list :) [22:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'what information is conveyed by a cryptographic signature ?' [22:41]
mats ;;ticker --market all [22:41]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 202.6, vol: 41919.25911548 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 199.749, vol: 15430.70275 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 202.62, vol: 71343.75804612 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 220.0, vol: 36.38126164 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 203.299957, vol: 44728.42180000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 204.2746, vol: 501.51178515 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 215.940799988, vol: 182.10137777 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [22:41]
mats woo [22:41]
Adlai [22:43]
assbot Logged on 24-03-2015 10:18:36; mats: im hemorrhaging money [22:43]
pete_dushenski << he's laughin' [22:43]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before September :: 2.52 B (4%) on Yes, 62.36 B (96%) on No | closed 2 weeks 1 hour ago ... ( ) [22:43]
mats and it was only $246 that day [22:44]
pete_dushenski << "At state-owned companies, workers say fewer shifts means their monthly pay has fallen from up to 5,000 yuan ($780) two years ago to more like 2,000 now." [22:45]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 19:39:24; mircea_popescu: ;;google average salary in china [22:45]
pete_dushenski via [22:45]
assbot China’s ghost towns point to nation’s waning fortunes - The Washington Post ... ( ) [22:45]
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pete_dushenski and i'm off. cheers [22:46]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski You're the car guy. Any thoughs on compact pickup trucks with crazy lift kits? [22:47]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the reason rawls is in there is because it gives perhaps the best approach for average derp to touch his derpitude. the reasoin no discussion of scamming is in economy is because i do not believe it is in there. [22:49]
mircea_popescu but it's why i said [22:49]
assbot Logged on 25-08-2015 01:18:04; mircea_popescu: lemme see if anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors. [22:49]
* asciilifeform buying coinz for 1st time since '12 [22:49]
mircea_popescu i do not believe scamming is economic activity. [22:49]
mircea_popescu and i think sybil covers mitm [22:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's rather like saying that locust is not an agriculturally-relevant organism, no ? [22:50]
mircea_popescu * Adlai assumes the business model would be "pay us to troll you gentlyer" << for srs. [22:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sybil and mitm are entirely orthogonal concepts [22:50]
mircea_popescu there's been more than one case of people who'd have been much better served through tutoring than trying to drink from the river here. [22:50]
mircea_popescu one at a time. [22:50]
asciilifeform (the purpose of a sybil is not necessarily to deceive the victim into transacting with a known party through it) [22:51]
mircea_popescu 1. locust. i did not say irrelevant, i said locust is not part of agriculture. it isn't. [22:51]
mircea_popescu 2. sybil. the purpose is irrelevant. all mitm is a degenberate case of sybil. [22:51]
mircea_popescu Adlai : i am an expert in the english language. [22:52]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform the reason rawls is in there is because it gives perhaps the best approach for average derp to touch his derpitude. the reasoin no discussion of scamming is in economy is because i do not believe it is in there. << belongs in Biology [22:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and im passing on the next 2, they're nice but more in a "basic guide to being a gentleman scholar in 2015" [22:53]
mircea_popescu mike_c honestly i suspek your intuition is certainly correct. more money to be made teaching this than 90% of the stuff taught online. "be a better you" or w/e. [22:54]
* Adlai has found an expert... retires to the UNObtainium mines [22:54]
asciilifeform i'm not certain the target clientele ~have~ any money..? [22:55]
Adlai buying bitcoin is much easier than using it [22:55]
mircea_popescu students are bums ever since they were invented. [22:55]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Also how are the catfish in Río de la Plata? Probably ought to check that out before leaving hardware B-A [22:55]
mircea_popescu catfish is shockingly not much eaten here. [22:55]
mircea_popescu but the frogs were passible. [22:56]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: who needs catfish when you can eat cat! in shenzen! [22:56]
asciilifeform (see thread) [22:56]
mircea_popescu i can eat cat as is [22:56]
BingoBoingo catfish is shockingly not much eaten here. << If they are too big to eat (i.e. Mississippi river) still ought to be fished for the challenge. [22:56]
mircea_popescu tho i don't usually bite. [22:56]
asciilifeform l0l [22:57]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: who needs catfish when you can eat cat! in shenzen! << I've heard rumours that the groundhog crop has been excellent this year [22:57]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: my back yard, even, is swarming with'em [22:57]
BingoBoingo very clean animals [22:57]
mircea_popescu also hanbot has it : idempotence IS fundamental to bitcoin. but unlike shit like sybil attack, or pgp, which were scarcely used or thought about before we came around, [22:58]
asciilifeform tried it ? [22:58]
mircea_popescu it was rigurously defined and understood long ago, and we're not adding anything [22:58]
BingoBoingo tried it ? << Kinda like a fattier gamier rabbit. [22:58]
mircea_popescu i thought all southern dishes that are fried are fried in groundhog fat. [22:58]
BingoBoingo Nah, normally just hog fat. [22:59]
BingoBoingo Marmota monax, the whistle pig is the animal of the moment [22:59]
mircea_popescu << me grins with three rows of shark teeth, like he used to [23:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'a'+'c' - 'what facts can or cannot be mathematically proven about a computer program? and when?' [23:01]
assbot Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:01]
mircea_popescu long long ago, in a univerde far far away [23:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is something there i think but not usable as is [23:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it has to be touched, somehow. because the notion is doomed to come into play [23:01]
mircea_popescu yes. [23:02]
BingoBoingo stability and a question for it probably also belong in biology [23:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, is there an academiwank dedicated to programs that prove properties of themselves ? [23:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: specifically prove ? [23:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ask the 'coq' folks [23:03]
mircea_popescu not specifically [23:03]
asciilifeform there is a long student tradition of writing 'quines', programs which display themselves. [23:04]
BingoBoingo Incidently the whistle pig is the only animal model available for studying the Hepatitis B virus other than chimpanzees [23:04]
mircea_popescu yq. [23:04]
mircea_popescu ya* [23:04]
mircea_popescu i think ironically the "basic bitcoin" exercise has illustrated we're not yet in a theoretically-complete position. damned close but not there. [23:06]
mircea_popescu two extant problems being alf's provability and my economics/scam thing. [23:06]
mircea_popescu there's possibly a third item too. [23:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all of this reminds me of a secret pleasure of mine - reading 'electrician' scientific publications from the era of heaviside [23:08]
asciilifeform (at the time, 'electrician' meant roughly what 'solid state physicist' means today, but minus the derpatronic aspect) [23:08]
mircea_popescu aha. [23:09]
asciilifeform at any rate, the matter prior to heaviside nailing down maxwell's eqs to their modern form (maxwell had 20 eqs in that many unknowns!), [23:09]
asciilifeform reads quite like this. [23:09]
mircea_popescu quite. [23:09]
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mircea_popescu i think anyone with a serious interest in human thought has a corner they use just in that manner you describe. [23:10]
mircea_popescu "comfortable cultural anthropology" [23:10]
asciilifeform what's mircea_popescu's corner? economitronics of the 1880s ? [23:10]
mircea_popescu orwell for that matter displays it plainly, which is among the few facts pleading in favour of his intelligence. [23:10]
mircea_popescu ah, i'm disorganised. from literary criticism to actual agriculture [23:11]
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mircea_popescu but anyway, there seems no possible question that the nakamoto paper is a (tenuous) footbridge rather than any sort of wall. [23:12]
mircea_popescu that there's so precious little intellectual effort dedicated to the topic is prolly the saddest manifest of a dead culture. [23:12]
asciilifeform we are perhaps at the level of ampere and faraday, analogously, but nowhere near maxwell. [23:13]
mircea_popescu except at the time everyone was a scientist in their garage [23:13]
mircea_popescu but [23:13]
mircea_popescu IN THEOIR GARAGE [23:13]
mircea_popescu now it's like the fucking women took over, everyone's in the "mommy community". [23:13]
mircea_popescu they exchange pictures and isn't it adorable what did the mean people say blablabla. [23:14]
asciilifeform they had this! [23:14]
mircea_popescu maybe i'm just bitter. but srsly... [23:14]
asciilifeform i was recently enjoying an anthology of the collected personal correspondence of n. tesla [23:14]
asciilifeform it was as 'mean girlz' as anything from tardstalk-mpoe-era [23:14]
asciilifeform he did not often stoop to answering the tards, but sometimes could not avoid. [23:15]
mircea_popescu care to put some selections on your blog ? [23:15]
asciilifeform it is tempting. [23:15]
* asciilifeform has a good deal of material like this, but in nothing like publishable form because ars longa... [23:16]
asciilifeform the arse is long. [23:16]
mircea_popescu you need a secretary. [23:17]
mircea_popescu a well trained woman to whom you can say "do so and so" and she can and does. [23:17]
asciilifeform i could also use a dirigible [23:17]
mircea_popescu (which is why people fuck their secretaries. you really can't be any good unless intimately acquainted) [23:18]
Adlai [23:18]
asciilifeform that way folks wouldn't perforate bumper in the night [23:18]
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mircea_popescu "I was the middle child of three, but there was a gap of five years on either side, and I barely saw my father before I was eight. For this and other reasons I was somewhat lonely, and I soon developed disagreeable mannerisms which made me unpopular throughout my schooldays. I had the lonely child's habit of making up stories and holding conversations with imaginary persons, and I think from the very start my literary [23:18]
mircea_popescu ambitions were mixed up with the feeling of being isolated and undervalued." [23:18]
mircea_popescu oookay. [23:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they say knowing what's needed is half the battle! [23:24]
asciilifeform 'spreading works! even if eating doesn't yet!' [23:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44695 @ 0.00071724 = 32.057 BTC [-] {2} [23:25]
asciilifeform 'It is forbidden to dream again; / We maim our joys or hide them: / Horses are made of chromium steel / And little fat men shall ride them.' [23:26]
asciilifeform (from same) [23:26]
BingoBoingo 'It is forbidden to dream again; / We maim our joys or hide them: / Horses are made of chromium steel / And little fat men shall ride them.' << Oh he was writing about Today's luxury mega trucks that could tow 12,000 pounds but instead ferry 400 pounder to their daily McBeetus run [23:28]
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mircea_popescu ^ [23:31]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: pretty sure he was speaking of his 'beetle men' [23:33]
trinque The great mass of human beings are not acutely selfish. << from the essay; Orwell seemed to have a deep love of the beoble. If only all these selfish elites would get out of the way, the selflessness of the common man would shine through. [23:33]
asciilifeform [23:33]
assbot Logged on 16-02-2014 03:57:29; asciilifeform: "On the far side of the room, sitting at a table alone, a small, curiously beetle-like man was drinking a cup of coffee, his little eyes darting suspicious glances from side to side. How easy it was, thought Winston, if you did not look about you, to believe that the physical type set up by the Party as an ideal-tall muscular youths and deep-bosomed maidens, blond-haired, vital, sunbur [23:33]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Maybe when he was writing, but this problem like many other prophetic Orwell things materialized in another form. Like a shannonizer from hell that takes Orwell's words and spews an output into USian reality. [23:34]
trinque This sort of hipsterism is native to Portland. If someone's rich, they're the self-deprecating kind of rich that winks at the camera while decrying the evils of money [23:35]
BingoBoingo It is impossible to buy new small trucks in the United States because they simply aren't sold anymore. Sure you can buy used, but the used ones are only being sold because the previous owners either wrung all the life they could out of them or they are stupid. [23:35]
trinque BingoBoingo: wassamatta? you don't want a Mega-King-Ranch 350? [23:37]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: many things are not sold now. e.g., passenger cars with more than 5 or so years of life in'em [23:37]
BingoBoingo trinque: No. I want an S-10 or Dakota with a wicked lift kit. [23:37]
asciilifeform (this is not coincidence, but rather how long it takes the typical schmuck to pay off the credit for the thing) [23:38]
mircea_popescu << i dunno if anyone actually gives a shit, but for those curious to see how the huddling-in-the-dark half lives... [23:38]
assbot gpg: encrypted with 2048-bit RSA key, ID 0FBEF185, created 2012-04-25 "Pe - ... ( ) [23:38]
trinque BingoBoingo: can't fault you that [23:38]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: many things are not sold now. e.g., passenger cars with more than 5 or so years of life in'em << There are ways to squeeze more life out of them, but the horrors plasticar (model year 2003) has been through... [23:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dafuq's that [23:39]
BingoBoingo trinque: Harder than finding money that wouldn't be better spent elsewhere is finding a suitable vehicle to start from. [23:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform derpage. [23:40]
asciilifeform i can see ~that~ [23:40]
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BingoBoingo !up RagnarDanneskjol [23:42]
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asciilifeform 'Why not go ahead and say it? You know that Mike and similar will counter-argue that mining needs to be done by "responsible" central authority figures running pools, so let them make that bogus argument...' [23:44]
asciilifeform l0l [23:44]
asciilifeform 'aka "[jpeg image of size 5220]"' << i always l0lld from this misfeature [23:45]
asciilifeform who the fuq thought this belonged in a pgptron ?! [23:45]
mircea_popescu you can tell by all the breadcrumbs the use of pgp is so insecure it's outright spurious. [23:46]
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asciilifeform i assumed that this was lifted off todd's hdd or the like [23:46]
asciilifeform where he perhaps gpg --decrypt ..... ... >> massive_turd.txt [23:47]
mircea_popescu think, how would massive_turd exist ? [23:47]
asciilifeform from the operator's laziness ? [23:48]
asciilifeform some folks have poor memory, and keep plaintexts lyin' around ? [23:48]
mircea_popescu perhaps. [23:49]
mircea_popescu anyway, it's fascinating what preoccupies people at any given juncture. [23:49]
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BingoBoingo think, how would massive_turd exist ? << shared with unreasonably personally WoTed person [23:50]
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mircea_popescu << fucktards. [23:51]
assbot Twitter Forbids Monitoring Politician's Deleted Tweets | Qntra ... ( ) [23:52]
mircea_popescu "imagine how nervewracking it were if you had to stick behind what you say! as a politician no less!" [23:52]
mircea_popescu "people like mp who don't have to retract shit on a daily - or even decade-ally - basis would be at an unfair advantage!11" [23:52]
asciilifeform << 'revoked' l0l [23:53]
assbot Search results for 'john googlemail dillon892 com' ... ( ) [23:53]
asciilifeform aaaaand... [23:54]
mircea_popescu none of the names mentioned belong to anyone of any consequence, in bitcoin or in their immediate communities. [23:55]
asciilifeform 0FBEF185 does not appear to match any publicly-known pubkeys for >>>>> [23:55]
assbot Search results for 'petertodd pete org' ... ( ) [23:55]
asciilifeform what gives [23:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82817 @ 0.0007167 = 59.3549 BTC [-] {6} [23:56]
mircea_popescu << sub 2048R/0FBEF185 2012-04-25 [23:57]
assbot Search results for '0x7fab114267e4fa04' ... ( ) [23:57]
asciilifeform hm ok [23:57]
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