Forum logs for 24 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

brendafdez	weird wording "members of the Armed Forces to limit information the personal information they leak on social media"	[00:04]
BingoBoingo	fixed	[00:05]
BingoBoingo	I think	[00:05]
brendafdez	yep :)	[00:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00021036 = 4.5227 BTC [-]	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066689 << lol	[00:07]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 01:39:34; trinque: lol, cmere toddler, check out the deep end	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	i suspect they just want to see if the... buoys actually float.	[00:07]
brendafdez	" It is hard to interpret " there seems to be a 'not' missing	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	Special Forces soldier have been	[00:08]
brendafdez	unless you mean people are clueless	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	of dox ISIS included << comma before isis.	[00:09]
asciilifeform	again the 'doxxing' idi0cy	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not so idiotic as all that.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	isis is pioneering the "before you can get voice, pick a name off this list and torture their children on cam"	[00:09]
asciilifeform	what, it's a secret that mr x drops bombs for a living ?	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[00:10]
BingoBoingo	thx, fxd	[00:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ever -met- these folks ?	[00:10]
asciilifeform	it takes all of 5 sec.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo there's a good idea somewhere in there but kinda mollase'd out.	[00:10]
brendafdez	i thought you'd write "it's hard not to interpret...", but it's ok this way too i's say	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you don't understand how the world works. people who meet us armed forces socially and people who are willing to write USG SATAN in 5yo guts, provided the 5yo was spawned by a private first class have virtually no overlap.	[00:11]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: yeah, but might be able to glue something with the molasses later.	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	it boggles my mind that one has to be "allowed" to introduce a defense.	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	why even bother.	[00:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0002133 = 4.074 BTC [+] {3}	[00:12]
asciilifeform	is there a 'you are biodiesel-on-the-hoof' defense?	[00:12]
asciilifeform	(well, there is, but it isn't given in a court room)	[00:13]
asciilifeform	wtf is it with this surrender idiocy anyway	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	whose ?	[00:14]
asciilifeform	snowden	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[00:14]
asciilifeform	or is it fictional	[00:14]
asciilifeform	him 'wishing for fair trial'	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo did qntra eat my comment or they go to moderation or what ?	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	seems more like self-wankery. "here's what we'd do to mila kunis if she knew who we were or cared"	[00:15]
brendafdez	guys, I've seen gnome bashed security-wise a couple of times here in chan (or in the blogs, I'm not sure). What's so wrong with it? I'm really liking gnome-shell...	[00:15]
brendafdez	But if there's something I should know, I'd rather do	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066736 << booberbootin'.	[00:15]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 01:44:42; trinque: make a stick with ubnetbootin or whatever	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	brendafdez http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-283/Gnome.html ?	[00:16]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Rescued the comment from the spamtrap	[00:16]
assbot	Gnome : Security vulnerabilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTfb49 )	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	"GNOME Shell 3.14.x before 3.14.1, when the Screen Lock feature is used, does not limit the aggregate memory consumption of all active PrtSc requests, which allows physically proximate attackers to execute arbitrary commands on an unattended workstation by making many PrtSc requests and leveraging a temporary lock outage, and the resulting temporary shell availability, caused by the Linux kernel OOM killer."	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	sort of thing	[00:16]
brendafdez	hmm	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	it's just... not designed or implemented by people with an understanding of computing.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	GNOME Display Manager (gdm) before 2.21.1 allows local users to change permissions of arbitrary directories via a symlink attack on /tmp/.X11-unix/. << lulzier one.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo is it because link ?	[00:20]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Probably. Maybe it was a combination of link and maybe your commented here before cookie expired?	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	mebbe	[00:21]
BingoBoingo	I know you've fallen from approved to pending before.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	such faet.	[00:22]
BingoBoingo	Sometimes cookies just get ate	[00:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00021946 = 10.4682 BTC [+] {3}	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066787 << does it revolve around the general principle that girls are dumb and boring ?	[00:23]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 01:55:24; brendafdez: I subscribed to a linux for girls community a couple of months ago. Can't tell you what it's like	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	that's usually how this shit goes.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	affirm lol	[00:24]
brendafdez	mircea_popescu I was just curious to see what it's like in a 'linux for girls' mailing list, but I think they won't let me in if I don'f affirm nicely enough	[00:24]
asciilifeform	linux for girls << when do we get, e.g., non-ferrous metallurgy, 'for gurlz	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	;;google valorie zimmerman tits	[00:24]
gribble	Ingomar Wesp - Google+: ; How to Play "Valerie" by Amy Winehouse on Guitar - YouTube: ; Ken Randle \| Facebook:	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you mean bonbons ?	[00:25]
asciilifeform	just wondered why computing gets the treatment.	[00:25]
asciilifeform	what'd it do to deserve.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	for some reason THIS dude pops up as the only result for valorie's tits : https://plus.google.com/101283637653265125298	[00:26]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/18TUYNX )	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	unremarkably, he's all about re-tweeting poettering on google twitter.	[00:26]
brendafdez	¯\_(ツ)_/¯	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	"My personal conclusion out of all this is mostly just that I don't want to have much to do with the worst offenders, and the communities they run. My involvement with the kernel community ended pretty much before it even started, I never post on LKML, and haven't done in years. Also, in our own project we are policying posts. We regularly put a few folks on moderation on the mailing list, and we will continue to do s	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	o. Currently, the systemd community is fantastic, and I really hope we can keep it that way."	[00:27]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnWP2Emps1M << linked	[00:27]
assbot	malfunction - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18TV2NS )	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	this incidentally is pretty true : i don't know that anyone sane would want anything to do with lennart and his horde of derps either.	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	" have a thick skin (and so do most of the others involved in systemd, apparently), and I figure that plays a major role why we managed to bring systemd to success, despite all the pressure in the opposite direction. "	[00:28]
asciilifeform	succ355	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	ahaha. 1) systemd is not nor will it ever be successful. 2) systemd is a grease spot strictly because of the red hat drilling platform upstream. once that goes away, the whole set of fleas and their "successes" and "ideas" and choices and whatever also go away.	[00:29]
asciilifeform	i thought rathead was more or less defunkt	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	but i gotta appreciate the delusion. really, lennart thinks he's me ? cool.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	should be a fun thing to watch, this.	[00:29]
[]bot	Bet created: "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1132/	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well, in the cisco way.	[00:30]
asciilifeform	more like the ibm way	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	defunct washington post/nytimes/libertard press spawned gawker.	[00:30]
BingoBoingo	http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/23/gold-in-faeces-worth-millions-save-environment	[00:30]
assbot	Gold in faeces 'is worth millions and could save the environment' \| Science \| The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/18TVknX )	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the ideological cleavage is pretty clear, and it will only resolve itself in time.	[00:31]
asciilifeform	'we are policying posts' << ?@!??	[00:32]
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mircea_popescu	d';oh.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	what's 'policying' ?	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	"If you are a newcomer to Linux, either grow a really thick skin. Or run away, it's not a friendly place to be in." << also do not be in linux.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	lol. and this is not his employer's agenda. this is just, you know, because reasons.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	these people.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	'go fellate nsa directly, not through a hose'	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it's pretty well articulated. consider the way this place works : once anything can be said, people suddenly manage to find "representatives" of groups they thought they hated quite likable. this happens on a regular basis.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile in idiot us discourse, because of all the "care" being "expended" to "protect", nobody can talk to anyone about anything, and as a result everyone hates everyone else for no reason.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	then they morally responsible for the cesspool turn around and accuse the pillars making sanity possible of... you know, "fish rots from the head"	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	the reason chinese peasants are starving is not enough socialism, dontcha know.	[00:34]
asciilifeform	happens on a regular basis << wai wat	[00:35]
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mircea_popescu	so fucking banal in its "cultural revolutionary war" rehash it's really hardly worth the mention.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	brendafdez turns out half the people in the google grup of "women interested in linux" are actulaly guys.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i think most recently it was "hey, this christian dude isn't all bad"	[00:37]
asciilifeform	yes i recall. where else though	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	i don't actually keep that well indexed a list of this score	[00:38]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: betcha 100% of it is 'goldschläger' !	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	prolly more comes from the 10-50mn gold teeth	[00:39]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Or the golden toilets at the local USG garisons erode	[00:39]
BingoBoingo	Golden toilet may not be mere metaphore	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	amusingly, n ceausescu was accused of this. people believed.	[00:39]
asciilifeform	like yanukovich	[00:40]
asciilifeform	and probably every 'tin dictator' of 20th c	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	serves them right for ruling over a group dumb enough to believe that shit.	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	somehow in the entire "must grow big fast" thing people omit to point out that well... you don't wanna rule over retards.	[00:40]
asciilifeform	'we go to war with the army we have not the army we wish we had' (TM)	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	nobody forced him to be president.	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	walkers and generals have very little in common.	[00:41]
asciilifeform	aha could've stayed shoemaker.	[00:41]
brendafdez	mircea_popescu maybe the affirmation policying isn't being done right. Half the people in the fb lesbian dating groups are guys, too...	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	hahaha wait wait.	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	social justice warrior posing as transgender lesbian female to get cooch ?	[00:42]
asciilifeform	'lesbian trapped in male body'	[00:43]
asciilifeform	(tm)	[00:43]
asciilifeform	(al schwartz)	[00:43]
brendafdez	whatever works, not that that especially does	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	i mean the entire "why do girls date assholes i have a great sense of humor she doesn't know what she's missing" beta lament is one thing	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	but going THAT FAR ?!	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	i like 69 as much as the next girl, but it never occured to me to pretend i'm a tupolev airplanewhile doing it.	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform truely usia is engaged in the empirical demonstration of the ancient notion that perversity knows no bounds.	[00:44]
asciilifeform	or schwartz's 'the titanic achivement of simultaneous boring -and- perverse'	[00:45]
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mircea_popescu	i wonder if i could get tenure with a program on illiteracy.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	you come study for 4 years how to be illiterate.	[00:45]
asciilifeform	already baked in every major us uni	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform all perversion is boring to the normally endowed.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	no but i mean, plainly said	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	oh, that's a problem isn't it. shit.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	i just don't understand how the dumbworld works.	[00:46]
asciilifeform	i had similar idea once -	[00:46]
asciilifeform	come to antiuni to unlearn xxxx	[00:46]
asciilifeform	then they carefully waltz it out of yer brain	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	that was a chinese specialty.	[00:47]
brendafdez	you know, the whole betu thing sucks, and somteimes the coping strategy could well be 'fuck it, i didn't even want it in the first place, I'd rather be a woman where bug becomes feature'. Dunno, just speculating, I hadn't given it much thought before.	[00:49]
brendafdez	s/betu/beta/	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	doesn't work that way does it ?	[00:49]
brendafdez	dunno, wouldn't go back either, this state of 'it not working' is much preferred to the previous state of 'it not working'. By orders of magnitude.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	preferred in the impersonal ? who prefers it ?	[00:50]
brendafdez	me	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	well maybe you miss the barn of a difference between "guy who is a girl because he prefers it" and "guy who claims to be a girl so as to [...]"	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	causes an' purposes baby.	[00:51]
brendafdez	;)	[00:51]
brendafdez	I can't keep in memory every single article all the time	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	pretty decent part of a play or something this. "so if i become a woman will my sex work ?" "no, it still won't work" "So then ?" "well maybe you like it not working this way better."	[00:52]
brendafdez	Anyway, I don't think claiming it and presenting female so as to x would be a good strategy at all, if you don't prefer it, you'll end up changing your mind, because it's hard to put up with all the attached issues to being perceived a woman if you were only doing it for a specific purpose	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	quite exactly mirroring the consumer computing market. "my windows computer doesn't fucking work" "switch to gentoo" "will it work then ?" "no, but maybe you like the icons better"	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	brendafdez you ever seen daisy diamond ?	[00:53]
brendafdez	nope	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	well, other than the part that it has infanticide, maybe you should check it out.	[00:54]
brendafdez	k	[00:54]
BingoBoingo	More snowflaking http://jenmylo.com/2015/03/23/defending-drupal/	[00:55]
assbot	Defending Drupal \| Jen Mylo, WordPress Cat Herder ... ( http://bit.ly/18TX0xx )	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	horrid fucking scheme omfg	[00:56]
BingoBoingo	’ve given so many talks at WordCamps with a component about how it’s important to be nice, respectful, and welcoming — including the use of appropriate language and imagery — to the point that some people would really like to tell me to shut the fuck** up (or have!).	[00:57]
brendafdez	mircea, in all honesty what wasn't working was life to the point I didn't want to go on (should've put an ad on gofundme but didn't occur to me). That was solved: social intereaction now is a whole different thing and it's much better. The fact that I still don't get to have the sex I like with the people I like is a minor issue compared to social interaction being broken as a whole.	[00:57]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "adrian pintilie" ?	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/adrianpintilie << this guy. would be ro drupal shop	[00:58]
assbot	Adrian Pintilie (@adrianpintilie) \| Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/18TXcgc )	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	amusingly, i dun think he knows yet :D	[00:59]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Oh so a marginalized Romanian is being pissed on by an empowered evangalist of politeness for interacting with the world according to his culture.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	pretty much.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	well... he's not marginalized. just marginal.	[01:00]
mod6	/names	[01:00]
mod6	oops	[01:00]
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gabriel_laddel	Regarding lesbians. The definitive work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY0VmahBTkE	[01:01]
assbot	Sophomores - The Whitest Kids U'Know on IFC - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18TXm7B )	[01:01]
brendafdez	https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/578424272353300480	[01:02]
assbot	OH MY GOSH YES	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	runs a tiny "digital agency" in practicaly akron, romania	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	http://www.listafirme.ro/softescu-srl-23226393/	[01:02]
assbot	SC SOFTESCU SRL din Bacau Bdul. Unirii 30, CUI 23226393 ... ( http://bit.ly/18TXofx )	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	one employee, 10-100k turnover a year sorta thing	[01:02]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Ah so the WordPress politeness is oppressing him.	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	doubt anything but "why would anyone pay you to fuck up php, when php comes pre-fucked and if not indians will fuck it for 1/3 the price" opresses him.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	“You can feel good about our project without putting down other projects, so let’s keep it clean.” I said something similar << this, for the record, is fucking stupid.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	putting dumb shit down is not about "your project". it's about your environment. you put shit down for the same reason you don't keep dirty textiles everywhere	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	which, obviously, these "cms geeks^H^H^H^H bums do keep. but anyway.	[01:05]
BingoBoingo	Such is the peril of conflating a common interest into "community"	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	if you don't do that, you stand at risk of being called a cult!	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	nothing more intense, interesting or functional than this much is allowed!!! it would be bad. THINK OF THE CHILDREN	[01:08]
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brendafdez	Ok, if gnome can't be trusted: I'll be switching to Bob. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpenYCIiDkM	[02:32]
assbot	Happy 20th anniversary, Microsoft Bob - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwVfW1 )	[02:32]
brendafdez	It was the Metro interface back in 1995	[02:34]
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trinque	brendafdez: here's another good one http://www.smartcomputing.com/images/smartcomputing/fullsize/393n1209.jpg	[02:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HwXit4 )	[02:42]
trinque	emulates a real tabbed binder for enhanced usability	[02:42]
trinque	http://reeseriverson.com/rriverson/pics/IMG_3373-800px.jpg	[02:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HwXzfK )	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	!up marteen	[02:47]
-assbot-	You voiced marteen for 30 minutes.	[02:47]
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brendafdez	Well, my first computer was a Pentium 100 Mhz with 8 MB RAM that my parents bought in 1996, I stayed with that thing until 2005 or so. For many years that meant that I used DOS and Win3.11 daily bc W98 was too much for that piece of hardware. Once around 1999/2000 I borrowed from a friend a linux book which came with a Red Hat CD but dual booting was not an option (also the HDD was like 500 MB). It brings back memories seeing those in	[02:47]
brendafdez	s, which I spent many years of my childhood with.	[02:47]
marteen	thanks mircea_popescu :)	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[02:48]
marteen	I shouldn't be awake for longer than 30 minutes :)	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	looking at those pics... god almighty has the "visual" aka "graphical" interface been a dead fucking end omfg.	[02:48]
trinque	utterly pointless	[02:49]
brendafdez	Click on the dog, now click on want to change something, now...	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	swipe right to have sex with this dog	[02:49]
trinque	your mail's up his ass; he ate it	[02:50]
brendafdez	you can buy an expansion pack for $29.99 to get more dogs to have sex with, don't forget to mail your registration card	[02:50]
ben_vulpes	i dont get the wot thing mircea talkin about << righteous	[02:51]
trinque	http://e.fastcompany.net/multisite_files/fastcompany/imagecache/inline-large/inline/2013/09/3017236-inline-ibooks-publishing0.jpg << what, 20 years later?	[02:52]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HwZAbH )	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	ba is so ecclectic.	[02:52]
ben_vulpes	marteen, eh?	[02:52]
ben_vulpes	howdy, you	[02:52]
brendafdez	but they removed the dog...	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	that url scheme looks like it's channeling django the drupal dog.	[02:52]
brendafdez	and invented a nice skeumorphic word for it	[02:53]
marteen	ben_vulpes: hello!	[02:53]
ben_vulpes	oh god this ubuntu from africa thread	[02:53]
ben_vulpes	priceless	[02:53]
ben_vulpes	look at the boys trying to gently inculcate sense into her	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	it goes on for a while.	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Rye-New-Hampshire.html	[02:55]
assbot	Registered sex offenders in Rye, New Hampshire - crimes listed, registry-based, living in this city ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0fKa )	[02:55]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066787 << why not?	[02:55]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 01:55:24; brendafdez: I subscribed to a linux for girls community a couple of months ago. Can't tell you what it's like	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	holy shit, eight towns nobody heard about in a state that's barely extant, thousands of sex offenders ?	[02:55]
ben_vulpes	marteen: what brings you around here?	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	how many are there in total by now ? 1mn ? 10 mn ?	[02:55]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: everyone's a sex offender in the states.	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	it seems so	[02:55]
ben_vulpes	piss in public - sex offender	[02:56]
brendafdez	ben_vulpes bc see this http://i.imgur.com/TQmHfIX.png	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	pissing is sex ?	[02:56]
marteen	ben_vulpes: i saw a reference to this channel on a mailing list	[02:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0uVB )	[02:56]
ben_vulpes	it actually comes down to the "fight me and see" attitude of the attorneys	[02:56]
brendafdez	marteen which list? mine?	[02:56]
brendafdez	:P	[02:56]
marteen	brendafdez: yes	[02:56]
brendafdez	wow	[02:56]
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ben_vulpes	plea bargin for sex offender or fight us for your life	[02:56]
trinque	also penises are illegal, they just have to find something else to say	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	John P. Mcsheehan	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	Crime: felonious sexual aslt, Conviction date: 1994-06-03	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	Crime: felonious sexual aslt, Conviction date: 1994-06-03	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	Crime: felonious sexual aslt, Conviction date: 1994-06-03	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	Crime: 3 counts of felonious sexual assault(victim 13 or older & under 16 & age diff more than 3 years),	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	3 counts, because the girl was 15.	[02:56]
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mircea_popescu	very odd counting.	[02:57]
ben_vulpes	no trigger plz	[02:57]
ben_vulpes	this triggers my america ptsd	[02:57]
ben_vulpes	plz stahp	[02:57]
ben_vulpes	can it be ptsd if i'm still living the nightmare?	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	anyway, turns out i misread the data. it's "residents per sex offender".	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	so basically... two guys, 5k pop -> 2l	[02:58]
ben_vulpes	!gettrust assbot marteen	[02:58]
assbot	marteen is not registered in WoT.	[02:58]
ben_vulpes	marteen, you savvy gpg?	[02:58]
marteen	brendafdez: i've been lurking there for a little while :)	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes it'd be dtsd.	[02:58]
marteen	ben_vulpes: sure	[02:58]
ben_vulpes	marteen: get in the wot then, eh?	[02:58]
marteen	ben_vulpes: I don't know what WoT is though :(	[02:58]
ben_vulpes	dtsd << makes me think of that eegan story asciilifeform	[02:59]
ben_vulpes	linked a bit back	[02:59]
ben_vulpes	!help	[02:59]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[02:59]
brendafdez	marteen they say 6 months is the bare minimum :P	[02:59]
ben_vulpes	oh god now i'm getting spammed by bots	[02:59]
ben_vulpes	trinque: plz to not overload !help	[02:59]
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trinque	ben_vulpes: wut	[02:59]
brendafdez	marteen who are you in the list?	[02:59]
ben_vulpes	yous ay it	[02:59]
trinque	!help	[03:00]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[03:00]
trinque	lol	[03:00]
ben_vulpes	hyuuu	[03:00]
marteen	brendafdez: hhmm, I'm not sure I've been there for that long...	[03:00]
marteen	brendafdez: I've never sent anything, just read	[03:00]
trinque	yeah I'll change that	[03:00]
ben_vulpes	marteen: basically it's a gpg-backed ident thinger	[03:00]
ben_vulpes	nobody's going to take you seriously until you buy in	[03:00]
*	marteen readin about the wot...	[03:01]
ben_vulpes	brendafdez is that weird chick from ba	[03:01]
marteen	ben_vulpes: I see, thanks :)	[03:01]
ben_vulpes	whereas indiancandy is just that hilarious hoo-er	[03:01]
ben_vulpes	difference being...	[03:01]
brendafdez	she has better looking tits	[03:01]
ben_vulpes	that's your insecurity speaking.	[03:01]
ben_vulpes	no, wot participation.	[03:01]
brendafdez	;)	[03:02]
ben_vulpes	we all know how the bsasians are about their 'security'	[03:02]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066829 << is this a new one?	[03:03]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 02:09:27; assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.	[03:03]
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brendafdez	maarten your IP shows you might be located in Mendoza, that's interesting, I there not long ago, with Sebastián Serrano and others, and we had a couple of presentations and a meetup. Do I know you?	[03:12]
marteen	brendafdez: yes, I'm from Mendoza	[03:13]
marteen	brendafdez: but, I'm afraid we don't know each other :(	[03:13]
marteen	brendafdez: I think I know which events you mention, but I couldn't not attend	[03:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16151 @ 0.00020765 = 3.3538 BTC [-]	[03:14]
ben_vulpes	then you must've been there!	[03:14]
brendafdez	We need more sponsors to keep doing that hah, we had a couple for that trip, still didn't even break even	[03:14]
marteen	ben_vulpes: heh, sorry, I meant "I could not" :P	[03:15]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: i give up, how are a practicing gynecologist and a healthy dog the same?	[03:15]
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marteen	(it seems I couldn't decide between "I couldn't" and "I could not" :P)	[03:16]
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brendafdez	marteen do you use irc often? I was pretty much a virgin before getting into b-a. You could go to the #freenode channel and ask for a cloak, so not everyone will see your IP. Also, you might be interested in registering your username with NickServ so it doesn't get squatted like indiancandy1_ 's	[03:17]
brendafdez	!up marteen	[03:17]
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marteen	brendafdez: oh, I've been using irc for a while :)	[03:18]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/four-new-jersey-schools-infected-by-ransomware/	[03:19]
marteen	brendafdez: my username has been registered for a few years	[03:19]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064798 << oh come now it's because your salesforce is down there and sales is nasty dirty work programmer folk hate to do.	[03:19]
assbot	Logged on 23-03-2015 07:55:57; trinque: all my money's coming from tejas; there's a reason for that	[03:19]
marteen	brendafdez: thanks a lot anyway :)	[03:19]
trinque	ben_vulpes: I was pissed	[03:20]
trinque	nbd	[03:20]
ben_vulpes	in more ways than one	[03:20]
trinque	ayep	[03:20]
brendafdez	marteen pretty nice to have a fellow list member over here. Were you reading the list in 2013? It was a space of sane and interesting discussion which has since been lost. That's why I mentioned b-a in my message, bc I htink some of the oldtimers might be interested. Also, we used to have wences and rdponticelli, both of them were also here back in the day.	[03:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6982 @ 0.00021108 = 1.4738 BTC [+]	[03:23]
marteen	;;gpg eregister marteen 050434ED71A1704C	[03:23]
gribble	Request successful for user marteen, hostmask marteen!~martin@190.113.141.247. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/050434ED71A1704C	[03:23]
ben_vulpes	marteen, you'll want to register with assbot for this crowd.	[03:24]
marteen	brendafdez: nope, back in 2013 I had no idea the list existed	[03:24]
brendafdez	!h	[03:24]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[03:24]
marteen	brendafdez: well, I'm glad I came to this channel then :)	[03:25]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064878 << all hail the holy cunt	[03:25]
assbot	Logged on 23-03-2015 08:53:20; mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/f54460da0cbc358c33a1304125119cb4/tumblr_mmwqr9Y3Ty1rsze6qo1_1280.jpg << the birth of an idea	[03:25]
marteen	ben_vulpes: oh, sure, let me see...	[03:26]
marteen	!register 050434ED71A1704C	[03:26]
assbot	That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.	[03:26]
brendafdez	the whole key id	[03:27]
marteen	oh, I see, thanks...	[03:30]
brendafdez	Key fingerprint = 15F6 BD45 240C 4679 C5F5 59B5 0504 34ED 71A1 704C	[03:30]
ben_vulpes	!register 15F6BD45240C4679C5F559B5050434ED71A1704C	[03:30]
assbot	Nick ben_vulpes is already taken.	[03:30]
ben_vulpes	well duh, assbot.	[03:31]
ben_vulpes	full fingerprint, marteen. "long", as they say.	[03:31]
marteen	!register 15F6BD45240C4679C5F559B5050434ED71A1704C	[03:31]
assbot	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 15F6BD45240C4679C5F559B5050434ED71A1704C. This may take a few moments.	[03:31]
assbot	Key 71A1704C / "Martín " successfully imported.	[03:31]
assbot	Registration successful.	[03:31]
marteen	ben_vulpes: thanks!	[03:32]
ben_vulpes	brendafdez: just out of curiosity, do many people have things delivered across the river and shuttle them over via ferry?	[03:32]
ben_vulpes	!rate marteen 1 new blood	[03:32]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ad8bfcdd35cd592c	[03:32]
brendafdez	I couldn't possibly know. The only people I know who do it are bringing in stacks of cash	[03:32]
ben_vulpes	!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.marteen.1:7944d2caed41fbbd7aa09e713e695bfc06bea154bf64946071175cb7f764ac6f	[03:33]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for marteen with note: new blood	[03:33]
ben_vulpes	hm well try it and let me know, eh?	[03:33]
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brendafdez	ben_vulpes so when do I get my prize for bringing in new blood to please the gods through sacrifice?	[03:33]
ben_vulpes	!rate brendafdez 1 blood for the blood god	[03:33]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6f4484e018020ae7	[03:33]
brendafdez	:D	[03:34]
ben_vulpes	!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.brendafdez.1:285f1f9f410f44c13ace2538b25bd5d53eec2cc674b822e19fc67a1a35827a2f	[03:34]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for brendafdez with note: blood for the blood god	[03:34]
ben_vulpes	i hope you're happy, jnerula...	[03:34]
brendafdez	ben_vulpes you need someone there you could ship things to?	[03:34]
brendafdez	ben_vulpes I could put you in contact with people who may want to do it, but I think they have their issues with customs too, not as stringent as argentina	[03:35]
ben_vulpes	interested in derpy small-scale arbitrage opportunities.	[03:35]
brendafdez	abritrage :)	[03:36]
ben_vulpes	kind of only insofar as it might get me lower price tickets	[03:36]
ben_vulpes	still fueling this rocket over here.	[03:36]
ben_vulpes	although, entertainingly, every day the election cycle grows closer, babe-o-tron grows more insistent about spending 2016 out of the country.	[03:37]
ben_vulpes	"couldn't agree more, dear."	[03:37]
*	trinque nods	[03:38]
brendafdez	!gettrust ben_vulpes assbot	[03:38]
assbot	Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 9 via 6 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/assbot \| http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot	[03:38]
brendafdez	oh, so he still can't voice himself, right?	[03:39]
ben_vulpes	?	[03:39]
trinque	!gettrust assbot martin	[03:39]
assbot	martin is not registered in WoT.	[03:39]
trinque	!gettrust assbot marteen	[03:39]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user marteen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/marteen \| http://w.b-a.link/user/marteen	[03:39]
trinque	derp	[03:39]
brendafdez	oh :)	[03:39]
ben_vulpes	brendafdez: you must be new here :P	[03:40]
trinque	brendafdez: those in L2 or better can voice	[03:40]
brendafdez	ben_vulpes :P i'm am, but i've already fixed the lastness issue. No longer the newest, new flesh blood, and on it goes.	[03:41]
brendafdez	s/flesh/fresh/	[03:41]
ben_vulpes	as far as the wot goes, you are actually the newest member.	[03:43]
brendafdez	why? hasn't he just registered?	[03:43]
ben_vulpes	oh, ah.	[03:43]
ben_vulpes	!gettrust brendafdez	[03:43]
assbot	Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user brendafdez: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/brendafdez \| http://w.b-a.link/user/brendafdez	[03:43]
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ben_vulpes	now's your chance to !up yourself, marteen	[03:48]
ben_vulpes	;;later tell mike_c i've got high hopes for the wot-site -- you set a high bar with WoL	[03:48]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[03:48]
brendafdez	marteen you can message !up to assbot and verify by decypting the string	[03:49]
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ben_vulpes	wd.	[03:53]
marteen	nice... I need to automate this now	[03:53]
ben_vulpes	it	[03:53]
ben_vulpes	it's not so bad	[03:53]
ben_vulpes	the voice persists with your connection	[03:53]
marteen	oh, no more 30 minutes?	[03:53]
marteen	ok	[03:54]
ben_vulpes	30 minutes is for strangers	[03:54]
marteen	cool	[03:55]
brendafdez	now whenever you're bored you can read logs or the blogs (http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com). One never reaches the end http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066689	[03:57]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 01:39:34; trinque: lol, cmere toddler, check out the deep end	[03:57]
marteen	brendafdez: interesting! thanks :)	[03:58]
marteen	brendafdez: so... you planning on coming back to mendoza soon?	[03:59]
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ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065272 << christ what are you doing	[04:03]
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brendafdez	well, i don't have plans, but it may happen. The last trip we made as part of the Giras Bitcoiners project was Asunción in Paraguay last December. The funding issue wasn't getting better. Only one of the trips allowed us to break even.	[04:03]
ben_vulpes	okay fine, share your recipe	[04:03]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i need something beyond "turd" now	[04:03]
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ben_vulpes	;;later tell nubbins care to share your darwin recipe?	[04:04]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:04]
brendafdez	This brings us to another issue which is the way the 'foundations' present themselves as as sort of official representation of bitcoin. That way they are better able to get funds from companies which want to be advertised and from membes of the community who want to 'be part of bitcoin'. It's what the FBA was/is doing and what the BF was/is doing on a much larger scale.	[04:04]
marteen	brendafdez: ok, I see	[04:05]
brendafdez	When we presented our project as an independent bunch of guys it wasn't the same.	[04:05]
marteen	makes sense	[04:05]
brendafdez	but who know, neither me nor the other 3 'founders' have buried it, so...	[04:05]
marteen	brendafdez: you mention 'funding issue'... how do you usually get this funding?	[04:06]
brendafdez	it was awesome for us as an experience I must say, getting to know the local communites, to travel so much, also to be able to promote one 'real use case' for bitcoin to local service providers	[04:06]
marteen	of course... I can imagine it must have been a great experience :)	[04:07]
ben_vulpes	burning suckers' cash always is.	[04:07]
brendafdez	through sponsors, we had some of them, bitpagos sponsored every trip, digicoins sponsored the trip to mendoza, beOk sponsored the trip to paraguay	[04:07]
ben_vulpes	hence the startup as flamethrower fueled by bezzlars metaphor.	[04:07]
brendafdez	:D	[04:08]
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marteen	brendafdez: aah, cool!	[04:08]
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brendafdez	but also it was always open to people who wanted to come with us. As generally we weren't even covering the costs, having more poeple participate usually meant each one had to pay a smaller fraction, usually less money.	[04:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00021289 = 5.748 BTC [+]	[04:13]
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marteen	brendafdez: ah, of course... that's nice	[04:14]
brendafdez	I wanted to write an article on 'bitcon evangelism' or 'selling bitcoin', which of course is selling it to the companies not the people :P	[04:15]
brendafdez	selling the campanies the idea that you'll be selling them with bitcoin to people who attend the talks/conferences/etc	[04:16]
marteen	that would be great	[04:18]
brendafdez	The whole 'evangelism' thing is bullshit, but there are incentives to do it, companies paying for it, who get their money from vcs and desperately need adoption, users, whatever	[04:18]
marteen	well i think we need more companies accepting bitcoin	[04:18]
cazalla	mircea_popescu: why let everyone think beauty and brains don't mix ? <<< get those eyes checked, perhaps same time as indiancandy gets that nose seen too	[04:18]
brendafdez	the point about evangelism is that if you suck the right cock you may make a living out of it. I'm not naming names	[04:19]
marteen	hhmmm, interesting...	[04:19]
marteen	brendafdez: you you can make a living out of it, even being from argentina?	[04:20]
brendafdez	why do we need more companies 'accepting bitcoin'? No, really, why? http://www.contravex.com/2014/02/25/matters-of-bitcoin-merchant-adoption/	[04:21]
assbot	On Matters of Merchant Adoption \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSEbaU )	[04:21]
brendafdez	I told you i wasn't even breaking even :P ask the FBA guys, they got funded in late 2012 to do it, and a few who suck theirs get a small part of the cake	[04:22]
marteen	oh, ok...	[04:24]
marteen	well, I mean... I'd like to buy more things more directly with bitcoin...	[04:24]
brendafdez	you can sell the bitcoin and buy with fiat,	[04:24]
cazalla	brendafdez: indiancandy they are awesome <3 those tits. I feel guilty now that I made you start posting pics :) <<< great tits, great body, but what a busted face she has	[04:25]
brendafdez	if you hold gold you dont need merchants to accept gold	[04:25]
marteen	brendafdez: yea, but that's still pretty inconvenient (selling btc for fiat)	[04:25]
brendafdez	why is it? bc there are no people doing it cash in mendoza? i know for a fact thats not the acse	[04:25]
brendafdez	if you were in a small town and no bank account then maybe inconvenient	[04:26]
marteen	I don't know any people here in mendoza that provide that service	[04:27]
marteen	and still, it's an extra step	[04:27]
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brendafdez	santiago castiglione travels there often bringing cash, the two btb braindamaged morons do it, if you can stand their stupidity. Tha saner person in Mendoiza is Adriel Araujo from Bitpagos. Contact him, he'll be able to help you, no doubt.	[04:28]
marteen	and if it involves a bank account, then that adds to the inconveniency	[04:28]
marteen	brendafdez: wow, thanks for all this info :)	[04:28]
marteen	anyway, even if there's availability of btc <-> fiat services, i'd much rather avoid the intermediaries (and the banks)	[04:30]
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brendafdez	the banks can be avoided entirely. The intermediary is not a must. You can just get in contact with other people, publish your own listings and such. When you're paying with bitcoin, they are selling the bitcoin, so the cost is also there. In Argentina anyway pretty much no transactions at PoS are made in bitcoin, it's just a show for companies which pretend to be doing busniess helping merchants accept bitcoin	[04:34]
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brendafdez	If mircea or pete were online and willing to discuss it, it would be easier, they have a more solid and convincing rhetoric than I could dream of myself	[04:37]
brendafdez	but it's problematic for many reasons to think that the value of bitcoin is to be able to pay coffe at a shop	[04:37]
brendafdez	bitcoin is like gold. And gold is no less valuable when you can't spend it at a coffe shop. And even if there are large costs to exchange such modest amounts of gold or silver	[04:38]
marteen	hmm, ok... I think I understand your point	[04:41]
brendafdez	There was a point in bitcoin history when bitcoin was basically free, it had no monetary value, at least during 2009, and mostly also 2010, now it would be unthinkablee	[04:42]
brendafdez	In the future we'll look back and wonder how bitcoin transactions used to be free, when they have large costs involved and it needs be so to keep the network secure	[04:43]
brendafdez	so when blocks fill up and transactions start competing and miner subsidy goes down halving after halving the cost issue of why its not for coffee will be clearer	[04:44]
marteen	but I would still like to be able to make small electronic value transactions without recurring to a central trusted party though	[04:45]
marteen	would this be possible?	[04:45]
marteen	ever?	[04:45]
brendafdez	i'm not sure, there are alternatvies, alternative chains, sidechains, whatever, which certainly can't compete with bitcoin.	[04:46]
brendafdez	right now bitcoin is an alternative even for coffee	[04:46]
brendafdez	however i doubt it's a better technology than handning a piece of paper in exchange for drinks	[04:46]
marteen	hhmmm, i don't like these papers	[04:47]
brendafdez	print your own	[04:47]
marteen	hehe	[04:47]
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brendafdez	after all, fiat and the monopoly of money by the state has been going for barely a century.	[04:48]
*	brendafdez may be saying lots of bullshit here. Hope to get corrected.	[04:48]
brendafdez	for most all the rest of human history private money was no big deal	[04:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26831 @ 0.00021616 = 5.7998 BTC [+] {2}	[04:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5569 @ 0.00021944 = 1.2221 BTC [+]	[04:50]
BingoBoingo	lol https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858	[04:51]
assbot	Bug 1202858 – restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive (rm -rf /*) ... ( http://bit.ly/1BK4DNV )	[04:51]
marteen	brendafdez: btw, thanks for taking the time to explain all this to me :)	[04:51]
brendafdez	that's where we're heading back with bitcoin, taking away the power of the government. Sometimes one loses the big picture. Taking the ability of the government corporation to finance itself through robbery (taxes) and deceit (inflation) is important. Decentralizing coffy purchases at small shops maybe not so much. You could do it in centralized brandatokens and get your bitcoin sent at the end of the day. If I charge you much you go	[04:51]
brendafdez	indiancandytokens instead.	[04:51]
marteen	i find it all really interesting	[04:51]
marteen	ohh, yea, that last part I could accept	[04:52]
brendafdez	it's not that bad having centralized private tokens.	[04:52]
marteen	I agree with that	[04:53]
brendafdez	for certain use cases.	[04:53]
marteen	the key there is that it should be very easy and almost free for anyone to create a centralized private token	[04:53]
BingoBoingo	brendafdez> bitcoin is like gold. And gold is no less valuable when you can't spend it at a coffe shop. And even if there are large costs to exchange such modest amounts of gold or silver << It going take some intermediate step. Instead of trading you highly valuable Bitcoin/Plutonium for coffee you trade it for big bundle of credits at the coffee shop or whatever the local cash sustomarily used for small value trades is	[04:53]
brendafdez	but for quite a while there's been a trend to sell 'decentralization of your grandma through smart contracts in the blockchain' as the next big thing, that's maybe just smoke and meaningless bullshit to appeal to the vcs	[04:54]
brendafdez	BingoBoingo brendatokens would be fine.	[04:55]
marteen	coffeetokens	[04:56]
marteen	I can trust my coffee shop	[04:56]
brendafdez	if they can trust you back, especially now that youre in the wot you could pay with your own	[04:56]
marteen	and I can even trust the 'verdulero', etc., but i definitely don't trust my bank	[04:57]
brendafdez	you'll like it: http://szabo.best.vwh.net/shell.html	[04:57]
assbot	Shelling Out -- The Origins of Money ... ( http://bit.ly/1BK562B )	[04:57]
marteen	brendafdez: thanks, I saved it for reading it later	[04:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12591 @ 0.00021946 = 2.7632 BTC [+] {2}	[04:59]
brendafdez	There's also qntra, it's the sane place to get your bitcoin cup of coffee without all the CoinDesk shit	[05:03]
brendafdez	that's where one goes when time's not enough to read logs and blogs :P	[05:03]
marteen	nice, thanks	[05:04]
brendafdez	Next time I'll see BingoBoingo I'll try to get him to gpg sign something that says they want my Spanish translations :P	[05:04]
brendafdez	*Next time I see BingoBoingo really drunk	[05:05]
brendafdez	I was going to say	[05:05]
brendafdez	Sadly he will not be coming to the conference, so I can't put substances in his drink to make him open the keyring (?	[05:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20509 @ 0.00022537 = 4.6221 BTC [+]	[05:45]
cazalla	Next time I'll see BingoBoingo I'll try to get him to gpg sign something that says they want my Spanish translations :P <<< did we not make it clear that they are wanted?	[05:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5041 @ 0.00022041 = 1.1111 BTC [-]	[05:49]
cazalla	my suggested would be to set you up on es.qntra.net, but ask mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo for their thoughts	[05:50]
cazalla	suggestion* even	[05:50]
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cazalla	alternatively, translate the spanish bitcoin news to english and have it on main qntra	[05:51]
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mircea_popescu	es. works	[06:01]
punkman	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858	[06:04]
assbot	Bug 1202858 – restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive (rm -rf /*) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xecN5z )	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	now that's behaviour i can get behind!	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067167 << wet nose.	[06:06]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 06:11:21; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i give up, how are a practicing gynecologist and a healthy dog the same?	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067250 << agreed, guy's incredibly talented for web design without being retarded. he ruined all sorts of pet theories with that.	[06:13]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 06:44:05; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c i've got high hopes for the wot-site -- you set a high bar with WoL	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067273 << scammers will scam. unavoidable with any new thing.	[06:14]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 07:00:23; brendafdez: This brings us to another issue which is the way the 'foundations' present themselves as as sort of official representation of bitcoin. That way they are better able to get funds from companies which want to be advertised and from membes of the community who want to 'be part of bitcoin'. It's what the FBA was/is doing and what the BF was/is doing on a much larger scale.	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067295 << i'm a talented politician yo, dun hate.	[06:16]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 07:14:17; cazalla: mircea_popescu: why let everyone think beauty and brains don't mix ? <<< get those eyes checked, perhaps same time as indiancandy gets that nose seen too	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	ahh check it out, everyone's asleep, i got the whole multiplex all to myself.	[06:19]
jurov	heh i just woke up	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	top o' the mornin' for you.	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	hey, i recall your friend that was going to help with eulora for windows. he ever got in wot ?	[06:21]
jurov	not heard from him since :(	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	any way to ping him ?	[06:21]
jurov	will email/phone him	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	thanks.	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067323 << check it out, all the stuff brenda figured out on her own. pretty quick twist eh.	[06:22]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 07:39:37; brendafdez: so when blocks fill up and transactions start competing and miner subsidy goes down halving after halving the cost issue of why its not for coffee will be clearer	[06:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28712 @ 0.00022758 = 6.5343 BTC [+]	[06:23]
fluffypony	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858	[06:26]
assbot	Bug 1202858 – restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive (rm -rf /*) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xedMTv )	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	lol even found the old szabo threads and everything. i'm curious what comes of this.	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony oddly, was in log.	[06:27]
fluffypony	oh	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	which... i grant you... figure the fucking odds.	[06:27]
fluffypony	lol	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	fucking groupthink in here i swear.	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	you people are worse than slackernews.	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	cazalla you know how to set that shit up tho ?	[06:30]
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mircea_popescu	probably the easiest way would be to just create the es. en. spaces and install a fresh wordpress for es.	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	seeing how wp does not actually support multilanguage natively.	[06:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00022758 = 3.7551 BTC [+]	[06:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00022793 = 1.926 BTC [+] {2}	[06:49]
jurov	O.o :P dat log.. fake indiancandy?	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	who's to know.	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	"Iran will emerge, whether we like it or not, as the central power in their sphere," said Aaron David Miller, an analyst at the Wilson Center and former State Department official.	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	heh,	[07:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00022317 = 6.9071 BTC [-] {2}	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	omnipotent impotence! make way! all hail!	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/19/syria-predator-drone-isis/25034633/	[07:07]
assbot	Drone shot down by Syria vexes Pentagon, White House ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOIum7 )	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	methinks the entrie drone thing is getting abandoned eventually. they don't actually seem to work worth a shit.	[07:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53338 @ 0.00022189 = 11.8352 BTC [-] {2}	[07:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9862 @ 0.00023126 = 2.2807 BTC [+]	[07:09]
mats	wtt is going on with the share price	[07:22]
mats	im hemorrhaging money	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	yeah down for what, two weeks straight by now ?	[07:24]
mats	something like that	[07:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12525 @ 0.00023126 = 2.8965 BTC [+]	[07:39]
punkman	mats, you just gotta buy more now	[07:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00023056 = 4.6112 BTC [-] {3}	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	or sell, lol	[07:45]
punkman	maybe the shareholders didn't like that all new accounts are depositing to private addresses?	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	timing seems off.	[07:47]
punkman	!t m s.qntra	[07:54]
assbot	Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	4 letters.	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	!t m s.qntr	[07:56]
assbot	[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024954 / 0.000301 (46659 shares, 11.64 BTC)	[07:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00022635 = 2.2635 BTC [-]	[08:00]
scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/house-of-games/	[08:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00022693 = 3.3813 BTC [+] {2}	[08:09]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: methinks the entrie drone thing is getting abandoned eventually. they don't actually seem to work worth a shit << whatcha talking about, they're as good for rocketing trucks full of unarmed people as they ever were...	[09:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00022706 = 3.9963 BTC [+]	[09:03]
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asciilifeform	'restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive (rm -rf /*)' << not bug, pheature!	[09:04]
asciilifeform	'Я просто кончил :) красношляп доставляет!' << from comments	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	if they ever get close to a truck.	[09:04]
asciilifeform	approx. 'i simply cummed. redhat's simply something'	[09:04]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the way the machines are typically used is that usg knows precisely where the truck will be	[09:05]
asciilifeform	at time t	[09:05]
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asciilifeform	often because someone inside has a phone or is otherwise pissing rf	[09:06]
asciilifeform	(or did at any point while truck was moving)	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	provided of course they're not in range of fire,	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	or of gsm jamming. or etc.	[09:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21595 @ 0.00022549 = 4.8695 BTC [-] {2}	[09:07]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you mean gps jam ?	[09:07]
mircea_popescu	right	[09:07]
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asciilifeform	a little high for rifle, but a ww2-era airplane could take it down.	[09:09]
asciilifeform	none of the american unmanned machines have any defensive armaments.	[09:09]
asciilifeform	(they are not built to fight, but to assassinate)	[09:10]
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asciilifeform	'predator', interestingly, has a top speed similar to a decent car's.	[09:11]
asciilifeform	a small flying machine 'toy' could easily catch up with it.	[09:11]
asciilifeform	payload can be ordinary thermite.	[09:12]
asciilifeform	(the 'no defenses' thing is not strictly true, at one point 'predator' was fitted with a small anti-aircraft rocket, iirc in gulfwar-2)	[09:14]
nubbins`	<+ben_vulpes> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065272 << christ what are you doing << 8)	[09:14]
assbot	Logged on 23-03-2015 16:55:19; nubbins`: mod6 ben_vulpes FWIW 0.5.3.1 downloading blocks on Darwin nubs.local 13.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.4.0: Wed Dec 17 19:05:52 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.115.10~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64	[09:14]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i need something beyond "turd" now << wai wat	[09:15]
nubbins`	i'll put together a makefile.osx and some modification instructions that you can ritually burn	[09:15]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: if you really need a working crapple build i think mod6 had one	[09:15]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: but consider reconsidering	[09:15]
nubbins`	<--working crapple build	[09:15]
nubbins`	currently block182959	[09:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: thousands of sex offenders << my understanding is that the lion's share of these are 'statutory' violators	[09:16]
nubbins`	anyway it's srsly two sed commands and a new makefile	[09:16]
nubbins`	to modify 0.5.3.1 for darwin/osx	[09:16]
nubbins`	probably bsd as well, i guess	[09:17]
asciilifeform	aha there we go.	[09:17]
asciilifeform	perhaps we can do, e.g., vms, next.	[09:17]
asciilifeform	or TOPS-10	[09:18]
nubbins`	(example: sed 's/MSG_NOSIGNAL/SO_NOSIGPIPE/' on two files is approx. half the work)	[09:18]
nubbins`	haha man, i had to use a VMS system on my first work term	[09:18]
nubbins`	i'm still not sure wtf that was	[09:18]
asciilifeform	the non-retarded sibling of unix	[09:18]
nubbins`	:D	[09:18]
nubbins`	it was always a case of "please check this before i hit enter"	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` publish	[09:19]
nubbins`	will do later today	[09:20]
asciilifeform	i'm actually rather surprised that nobody's clamouring to reintroduce winblows build	[09:20]
asciilifeform	one would think somebody has a botnet deployment to consider	[09:20]
nubbins`	asciilifeform speaks to the preferences of the room, i guess	[09:20]
asciilifeform	i zapped the win32 ifdefs on account of them cluttering up my reading material, and for no particular other reason	[09:21]
asciilifeform	(would have done the same for nintendo ifdefs if there had been any)	[09:22]
asciilifeform	incidentally, the ifdef-iness of bitcoind speaks for the horrendous mega-ugly of cpp	[09:22]
nubbins`	^ ha	[09:22]
asciilifeform	which lacks even such an elementary thing as mix-ins	[09:23]
asciilifeform	Adlai ^	[09:23]
nubbins`	<< had to sacrifice a few IFDEFS from makefile.osx	[09:23]
asciilifeform	(the one other fella here who might know what i speak of)	[09:23]
nubbins`	i'll warn that this is not a svelte makefile, more fat can almost certainly be trimmed. this is simply a "compiles, runs" thing	[09:24]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: any changes -not- in common with openbsd ?	[09:24]
asciilifeform	out of curiosity	[09:24]
nubbins`	sum total of changes: modify SSL_ARCH_TYPE to Darwin64-x86_64-cc	[09:25]
nubbins`	replace sha256sum with shasum -a 256	[09:25]
nubbins`	replace MSG_NOSIGNAL flag with SO_NOSIGPIPE	[09:25]
asciilifeform	starting from item 3, is in bitcoind proper ?	[09:25]
nubbins`	yes, started from 0.5.3 base	[09:26]
nubbins`	irc.cpp and net.cpp	[09:26]
asciilifeform	was asking, whether any but the last item (signals) concerned bitcoind source itself	[09:26]
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nubbins`	ah, right. no	[09:27]
nubbins`	the signals thing is the only actual code change	[09:28]
asciilifeform	aha	[09:28]
nubbins`	random forum quote: "In linux sockets (BSD 4.4 compliant) there something called MSG_NOSIGNAL"	[09:29]
nubbins`	so without having the ability to check, i'd advance that SO_NOSIGPIPE might be an osx-specific fix	[09:29]
Adlai	my pet theory of late is that satoshi intentionally built 0.1 on winblows as a red herring	[09:30]
nubbins`	oh and the 0.5.3 makefile.osx doesn't have any of the hardening stuff that makefile.unix does	[09:30]
nubbins`	so uh, there's that	[09:30]
nubbins`	but again. PoC here.	[09:30]
nubbins`	it compiles.	[09:30]
nubbins`	was able to find equivalents for most, but not all, of the hardening compile options	[09:31]
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jurov	http://bturn.com/10286/soviet-erotic-alphabet :B mircea_popescu asciilifeform	[09:48]
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jurov	лoл	[09:50]
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mircea_popescu	notbad.jpg	[09:51]
nubbins`	ahhh... hot coffee, cool code, and les deux rondes	[09:53]
nubbins`	notbad.tuesday	[09:53]
jurov	nubbins`: you can use these as illuminations for alf's book	[09:53]
asciilifeform	'в советском союзе секса нету!' (TM)	[09:54]
nubbins`	that's one way to fight illiteracy	[09:54]
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nubbins`	mod6 i should stress that none of the hardening options are included in that makefile, and it really should not be used for anything other than reference	[17:01]
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mircea_popescu	lol cazalla i just got it.	[17:01]
nubbins`	mod6 but FWIW this process should generally be able to be applied to future releases as well	[17:03]
ascii_field	thestringpuller: if they were passing these out for tenbux each, then.	[17:03]
ascii_field	but otherwise snore	[17:03]
nubbins`	i.e. 0.5.3.2 should patch just the same	[17:03]
thestringpuller	ascii_field: snore for now, but if they start selling, they lower barrier to fork.	[17:05]
thestringpuller	selling in volume*	[17:06]
ascii_field	the photo suggests something like a 'raspberry'	[17:06]
thestringpuller	just bad feeling seeing summer 2015 as their schedule and this aligns with gavin wanting to have enough dick's sucked to push his shit into github around then as well	[17:07]
nubbins`	ascii_field i thought it was a raspi between two sheets of acrylic at first	[17:08]
nubbins`	looks like similar class of hw	[17:08]
nubbins`	commodity sbc	[17:08]
nubbins`	.foundation 0.5.3.1 running on pogoplug w/ SD card is a stopgap here	[17:09]
ascii_field	i think i've identified the board	[17:13]
ascii_field	it is a 'banana pi.'	[17:13]
ascii_field	not revealed in the phoundation site, of course	[17:14]
ascii_field	but can be inferred from the port layout and the chipset in the spec sheet.	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field lol.	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	the blessing of suck these people have srsly...	[17:17]
mod6	# Modified March 22 2015 by Satoshi Nakamoto for La Serenissima << :]	[17:17]
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nubbins`	dat paying for a needless gpu, hdmi, etc	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	lol win	[17:18]
ascii_field	nubbins`: them's chumps paying	[17:18]
nubbins`	i wonder how much $$ pogo boards could be had for in quantity	[17:18]
nubbins`	(if at all)	[17:18]
ascii_field	nubbins`: probably ~19 usd forever until they run out	[17:19]
ascii_field	upon which $maxint.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	hemeans just the boards.	[17:19]
nubbins`	lel. i know, i mean actually having just the boards produced	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` the plastic casing is at least as valuable as the boards.	[17:19]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu +1	[17:19]
nubbins`	it comes with a fucking 3-foot cat5!	[17:19]
nubbins`	and a power supply too!	[17:20]
ascii_field	and dc brick	[17:20]
ascii_field	aha	[17:20]
ascii_field	and don't forget the steel heat sink in there	[17:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21678 @ 0.00023498 = 5.0939 BTC [+]	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	^	[17:20]
nubbins`	and so on!	[17:20]
nubbins`	so what i'm wondering is what you're looking at for, say, 10k units without all that fluff	[17:20]
ascii_field	i'll add that the case is not merely decorative	[17:20]
ascii_field	it holds the heatsink in place, and cradles the hdd	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` 10k is not in quantity noob.	[17:21]
ascii_field	^^	[17:21]
nubbins`	lel you're right hey	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	10mn, you can prolly have for ~7-8 or so	[17:21]
ascii_field	rupees.	[17:21]
nubbins`	i obv have no idea as to scale here	[17:22]
ascii_field	10 mn, i'd stuff it all on one die.	[17:22]
ascii_field	and a socket on the side for another identical unit, for when the flash fills.	[17:22]
ascii_field	ad infinitum.	[17:22]
ascii_field	(ethernet socket on other hand side, naturally)	[17:23]
ascii_field	like 'lego blocks'	[17:23]
*	nubbins` shrugs	[17:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8147 @ 0.00023239 = 1.8933 BTC [-]	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field	[17:25]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_field	[17:25]
nubbins`	pogo is what, marvell kirkwood?	[17:28]
thestringpuller	http://bitseed.me/product/blockchain-node-developer-version	[17:28]
ascii_field	nubbins`: aha	[17:28]
thestringpuller	^- posted by same dude on reddit	[17:28]
ascii_field	!s marvell	[17:28]
assbot	13 results for 'marvell' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=marvell	[17:28]
nubbins`	might be worth contacting /them/	[17:28]
nubbins`	if anyone'd have a handle on someone down-chain who has however many k units..	[17:28]
ascii_field	nubbins`: for what ?	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	Storage 4 GB NAND Flash	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	160 GB HDD	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	ahaha this is exactly a pogo	[17:29]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: it's a 'banana pi'	[17:29]
ascii_field	retails for around $60.	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	i mean performance wise.	[17:29]
ascii_field	sand disk, brick, case	[17:29]
ascii_field	slightly faster than pogo, iirc	[17:29]
ascii_field	*sans	[17:29]
ascii_field	pogo has 128m flash also	[17:30]
nubbins`	wait, 4gb nand!	[17:30]
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ascii_field	nubbins`: for what do you need a 4g nand ?	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field but the 4gb is only because they run crud.	[17:31]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu has it	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	in no way better than 128mb with deturdified os	[17:31]
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ascii_field	but iirc that board comes with it on	[17:31]
nubbins`	ascii_field that's what i'm wondering :0	[17:31]
ascii_field	you can't get it without the extra bells & whistles	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	anyway, speaking of this, what was the status of teh pogo project ? we ready to bake ?	[17:31]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: if you ask me, releasing the memleak version is lunacy	[17:32]
ascii_field	regardless of what else works	[17:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00022994 = 6.4843 BTC [-]	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	you can't postpone everything until everything else just like you can't have everything louder than everything else.	[17:33]
ascii_field	i specifically mean that a node running bitcoincrashcrashcrash is dangerous to itself and others.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	how ?	[17:33]
ascii_field	nondeterministic behaviour	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	all bitcoin nodes run that o.O	[17:34]
ascii_field	if i could quantify it, it wouldn't be nondeterministic, would it	[17:34]
ascii_field	i meant that it trashes state unpredictably	[17:34]
ascii_field	upon death	[17:34]
chetty	http://www.wired.com/2015/03/stealing-data-computers-using-heat/	[17:34]
assbot	Stealing Data From Computers Using Heat \| WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL7dTB )	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	inb4 ascii_field snore.	[17:34]
danielpbarron	nubbins`> it comes with a bobbaing 3-foot cat5! << most do; not all -- the power supply also varies in shape	[17:34]
ascii_field	chetty: ancient tech	[17:34]
nubbins`	danielpbarron uh	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	he'd know.	[17:35]
ascii_field	chetty: a certain semiconductor vendor had a heat-based tattletale mechanism for detecting clones	[17:35]
ascii_field	transmitted a few bytes with small variations in surface temp	[17:35]
nubbins`	dat impure word replacement	[17:36]
chetty	yeah old tech, but showing up in more mainstream sorts of pubs is interesting	[17:36]
ascii_field	the receiver here is the built-in thermistor found in most servers	[17:36]
ascii_field	which is mildly clever	[17:36]
ascii_field	'The two systems would then engage in a handshake, involving a sequence of “thermal pings” of +1C degrees each, to establish a connection. ' << stopped reading here	[17:37]
ascii_field	noise sensitivity makes it hopeless in the wild	[17:37]
ascii_field	(a passing draft will drop your channel capacity to nothing ?)	[17:37]
nubbins`	a passing draft will drop your outdoor coffee roaster by 20C	[17:37]
nubbins`	wait, that conversation was from somewhere else	[17:38]
danielpbarron	how hard would it be to get OpenBSD on a pogo? I've been idling in their channel but I'm not sure how productive it would be to just go "hey someone should start supporting this architecture for my pet project!"	[17:39]
ascii_field	danielpbarron: same problem as netbsd	[17:39]
ascii_field	(no support for the nand; bizarre bugs in other drivers)	[17:39]
danielpbarron	i don't mind paying someone to do it, but i probably can't afford whatever that kind of work is worth	[17:39]
ascii_field	i would do it pro bono but haven't the time	[17:40]
ascii_field	(i know exactly how)	[17:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00023035 = 1.9695 BTC [+] {2}	[17:40]
danielpbarron	i got your netbsd kernel to boot on the pogo; this is possible with openbsd as well?	[17:40]
ascii_field	haven't tried personally	[17:40]
ascii_field	but iirc the device support of openbsd is a subset of netbsd's	[17:41]
nubbins`	was bsd chosen because of smallest footprint or other?	[17:41]
danielpbarron	http://www.openbsd.org/armish.html << this is it?	[17:41]
assbot	OpenBSD/armish ... ( http://bit.ly/1HARjU5 )	[17:41]
nubbins`	i recall you saying a bare bones install could be impossibly tiny	[17:41]
BingoBoingo	was bsd chosen because of smallest footprint or other? << small footprint no crud	[17:42]
danielpbarron	i wouldn't mind gentoo	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	(a passing draft will drop your channel capacity to nothing ?) << BUT DRM IN AUDIO WORKS!!!	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes mod6 what do you two figure is a realistic timeline for "bitcoind version that doesn't allocate memory without checks and so doesn't crash in THAT particular way" ?	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	apparently ascii_field wants a provably-correct stack of five layers of software before we ship out ten dollar items.	[17:45]
ascii_field	neh just something that isn't guaranteed to kark its breeks after 40min	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	40 mins is the new 2 weeks	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron what was the current block count on those things ?	[17:46]
ascii_field	anyone who wants an illustration of roughly what has to be done, is invited to read my skull&crossbones patch	[17:46]
danielpbarron	height=295831 vs height=216046	[17:46]
mod6	For me, and I might be wrong here, but fixing that is a huge chunk of work. I'd have to break it down to give a decent estimate. But I'd guess 6 months or more, easy.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	remind me, what are the configs on them ?	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	mod6 i am of the same persuasion.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	if we live to see it we've lived a long life.	[17:46]
mod6	srsly.	[17:47]
ascii_field	wai wat	[17:47]
ascii_field	fixing leak ?	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field you familiar with how long current foundation patch took ?	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	or anything else for that matter, deedbot, cardano, eulora, name it.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	i'm just about to release v5 eulora here AFTER A YEAR	[17:47]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: one of these things is not like the other, i think	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	and that was a year of fucking work.	[17:47]
ascii_field	phoundation has no day job	[17:47]
ascii_field	they ought to have gone 100x faster.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	o it doesn't ? why not ?	[17:48]
chetty	fisrt version of eulora was fast :)	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	o look at those kulaks over there... THEY have to do things right.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	julia. not us.	[17:48]
ascii_field	gavin or whoever - isn't he a full-time dev for turdation ?	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	yes and he's doing his job to the best of his abilities.	[17:48]
danielpbarron	http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-config.txt	[17:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8nP1 )	[17:48]
mod6	Our goal is to get this resolved, but I think it seriously is going to take some effort. Part of going forward from this release is going to be breaking down goals and getting them lined up. I have high hopes to discuss much of this at the Cnof.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	except he's currently rated F for failure.	[17:48]
mod6	*Conf	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	mod6 speaking of which, you never answered email.	[17:49]
mod6	Sorry! I'll get you something tonight :)	[17:49]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/03/thermal-sidechannel-carries-8-bits-per-hour-in-proof-of-concept/	[17:50]
assbot	Thermal Sidechannel Carries 8 Bits Per Hour in Proof of Concept \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8t9o )	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	just making sure you got it.	[17:50]
ascii_field	BingoBoingo: we just did that one	[17:50]
BingoBoingo	ascii_field: I'd already started on it	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	he writes for qntra!	[17:50]
mod6	Yes, Sir. Should have responded lastnight, just got distracted hacking together my obsd lappy.	[17:50]
ascii_field	mod6, mircea_popescu: depending on what it means to fix the leak (total replacement for block sync mechanism and a mathematical proof for it? or something more like my patch ?) it could take anywhere from a weekend to maxint days	[17:51]
mod6	yeah, im talking about an all encompassing approach .. many small steps, the former.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron i meant, how are they different.	[17:52]
mod6	Anything worth doing, is worth doing right.	[17:52]
danielpbarron	refresh, i just added the other	[17:52]
danielpbarron	oh you mean parts?	[17:52]
danielpbarron	different hard drives	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field the way system engineering is done, is either do not fix a problem, or else fix the problem. adding a problem++ to the list at the cost of a weekend is not on this list.	[17:52]
danielpbarron	one is solid state; other is 5400 rpm	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	that it ?	[17:52]
danielpbarron	ya	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	aha cool.	[17:53]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: adding a problem++ to the list at the cost of a weekend is not on this list << astute observation, which is why my patch was specifically labeled as a proof to nail down the locus of the problem, and not an item to be used on the battlefield.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	cool. so then, these things are pretty much ready to launch are they ?	[17:54]
danielpbarron	i also had one going that was using a USB3 stick -- stopped it after a week or so when it was clearly way too slow	[17:54]
danielpbarron	they are not up to the defined spec	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron link me to your last version of "how to" again plox ?	[17:54]
ascii_field	http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/03/woman-held-in-psych-ward-for-saying-obama-follows-her-on-twitter-even-though-he-actually-does	[17:54]
assbot	Database Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8MRu )	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron what's the shortcoming again ?	[17:54]
danielpbarron	http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt	[17:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8NFe )	[17:54]
danielpbarron	this howto is more for developers	[17:55]
nubbins`	woo	[17:55]
nubbins`	i have pogo x2 on the way, i'm gonna dig into this	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron hoply shit, this thing... dude...	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	what do you work irl ?	[17:55]
*	assbot removes voice from ascii_field	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	i haven't seen asciiart technical drawings in documents since the 90s.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field	[17:55]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes.	[17:55]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_field	[17:55]
trinque	all danielpbarron's docs rule	[17:56]
danielpbarron	the shortcoming is it's using ArchLinux, doesn't boot from eeprom, requires a great deal of user setup to get working	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	cool beans nubbins`	[17:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9311 @ 0.00022906 = 2.1328 BTC [-]	[17:56]
danielpbarron	would have to be shipped with SD card already configured if the end user is to just plug in a hard drive and forget about it	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron what's your job offline ?	[17:57]
danielpbarron	it's a seasonal warehouse thing	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	shut up.	[17:58]
danielpbarron	LTL	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	you're a tchnical / manual writer.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	stop wasting your time with whatever. you have any idea what shortage is for these ?	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	or, for that matter, what it pays ?	[17:58]
nubbins`	^ truth sauce, almost took this up as a career	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	no but this nut's fucking talented, look at this thing.	[17:59]
nubbins`	<+danielpbarron> would have to be shipped with SD card already configured if the end user is to just plug in a hard drive and forget about it <<< that is actually preferable for almost everyone who would buy this	[17:59]
danielpbarron	it's not complete btw	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	you have any idea how fucking ~rare~ an actual talent for technical writing is ?	[17:59]
nubbins`	very	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron srsly. look into it.	[17:59]
danielpbarron	well i'm also really good at LTL, heh	[18:00]
*	nubbins` did well enough at this in uni to get pulled into strange prof's office for praise once	[18:00]
danielpbarron	"logistics" or w/e they call it	[18:00]
nubbins`	and i wouldn't call myself, y'know, outstanding	[18:00]
danielpbarron	i move millions of dollars worth of stuff over the course of a month or two	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	is ltl where you load trucks all day ?	[18:00]
danielpbarron	ya, and schedule them	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	aha. well... your lyf, your calls.	[18:01]
danielpbarron	and get the orders ready for them	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	i wish upon my enemies to be here with me	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	and enjoy the fucking TONEDEAF PARADE	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	thousands of people!	[18:01]
danielpbarron	good to know there are other options; i woudln't mind supplementing my income	[18:03]
danielpbarron	especially with food costing what it does these days	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[18:03]
danielpbarron	i'm getting slaughtered at the supermarket	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	"dude, get into this thing you're great for it pays excellent" "oh, i do ok... and i know what food costs." "listen to me... you're not supposed to know what food costs."	[18:03]
nubbins`	if you did, you'd not eat it	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	anyway. so archlinux ? what happened to netbsd or w/e ?!	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	shit im behind.	[18:05]
BingoBoingo	There's concurrent pogo threads	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo im gonna unwind this thing cause i think it ran into a problem.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	soo where them threads lead.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	see*	[18:06]
nubbins`	if we're talking about a "pogo node" as a kit that one can purchase, i think, it's fine to start with w/e distro, booting from SD, skull-and-crossbones patches, w/e	[18:06]
BingoBoingo	Well, the pogo hardware was never marketed with multithreading	[18:07]
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nubbins`	all else aside, owning one of these pogos is an opportunity	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron so what exactly is it, how did it end up on arch ?	[18:07]
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nubbins`	if it's got a real version of bitcoind that works enough to use, all the better	[18:07]
nubbins`	nobody who can't follow some simple instructions to flash nand down the road and reclaim their SD card is gonna buy one anyway	[18:09]
nubbins`	find any forum thread anywhere about pogoplugs being sold at these prices, most of the responses are "!!!!!!!!!"	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:10]
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danielpbarron	there was already a guide written for getting it to work on arch	[18:16]
danielpbarron	and then later i found a guide for debian, but the bitcoind was still dynamic and wouldn't work on it	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	ah so because easier ?	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	is the current arch thing static ?	[18:17]
danielpbarron	no	[18:17]
danielpbarron	it's from ascii's portatronic instructions	[18:17]
danielpbarron	easier yes, in that i don't know any alternatives that work yet	[18:17]
danielpbarron	i think another unsolved problem is that we don't know how to compile a linux kernel that works	[18:18]
danielpbarron	or else maybe gentoo would work on it	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	so basically, you put archlinux according to ascii_field's brew on the pogo, and then compiled a static foundation bitcoind and loaded that up, and that's what we have now ?	[18:19]
trinque	danielpbarron: you can use localmodconfig for that	[18:19]
trinque	make localmodconfig	[18:19]
danielpbarron	no, i compiled the dynamic foundation bitcoind	[18:19]
trinque	build it on a working linux, and you'll get a kernel config	[18:19]
trinque	with all current mods	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron because static didn't work because ?	[18:20]
danielpbarron	it didn't exist at the time	[18:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00022806 = 6.2032 BTC [-] {3}	[18:20]
thestringpuller	!t m s.qntr	[18:20]
assbot	[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024954 / 0.000301 (46659 shares, 11.64 BTC)	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	mod6 do we have it yet ?	[18:20]
danielpbarron	yeah the current release is static	[18:20]
nubbins`	bbl supper but quite interested in getting this sorted	[18:20]
thestringpuller	!t m s.mpoe	[18:20]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00019609 / 0.00022358 / 0.00025613 (1502516 shares, 335.94 BTC), 7D: 0.00019609 / 0.00028609 / 0.00033536 (17959206 shares, 5,138.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00019609 / 0.00034985 / 0.0004493 (81624050 shares, 28,556.94 BTC)	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron can you try it ? on a like... 3rd pogo ?	[18:20]
danielpbarron	sure	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[18:20]
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mircea_popescu	so then the master here becomes, arch as per ascii, static as per current foundation release.	[18:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7869 @ 0.00022558 = 1.7751 BTC [-]	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	any questions ? any laments ?	[18:21]
danielpbarron	i tried to build it for my gentoo laptop and it errored out	[18:21]
danielpbarron	it's for 64 bit systems atm	[18:21]
danielpbarron	and mine is 32	[18:21]
danielpbarron	idk if this also means it won't work on pogo or what	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	wait, gentoo stopped supporting 32 bit ?	[18:22]
danielpbarron	no, 0.5.3.1 did	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	oh right.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	shit. don't tell me the pogos are 32bit ?!	[18:22]
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trinque	it would appear to be 32bit arm	[18:25]
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mircea_popescu	o fucking hell check out the gross mismanagement i managed to bless the world with.	[18:26]
thestringpuller	!up assbot	[18:27]
thestringpuller	r	[18:27]
thestringpuller	!up ascii_field	[18:27]
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mircea_popescu	mod6 so the emerging problem here is that while i said "ok" to 64 bit only foundation bitcoind, it turns out when need 32 bit support for our own fucking projects, which notably is the pogo.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	now, can we has static etc 32 bit ?	[18:34]
thestringpuller	is netbsd still going to be the pogo "base"?	[18:35]
danielpbarron	thestringpuller, no way!	[18:35]
danielpbarron	is it being 32 bit a problem beyond getting bitcoind working?	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron which bitcoind ?	[18:36]
danielpbarron	our version	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	seems that's 64 bit only now o.O	[18:37]
danielpbarron	i was lead to believe that getting it to work on 32 bit wasn't that big of a deal, just low priority	[18:37]
danielpbarron	i mean, is the pogo being 32 bit a bigger problem? like is 32 bit becoming obsolete or something?	[18:38]
danielpbarron	http://www.openbsd.org/images/poster31.jpg << theme for 5.5 was "back to the future" -- something about how 32 bit is a problem for unix time	[18:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HySUqb )	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron everything's becoming obsolete eventually. but no, this isn't that.	[18:39]
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danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055407	[18:43]
assbot	Logged on 17-03-2015 15:07:01; mod6: anyway, it certainly is a goal to support x32. it'll just be in the next release. this has been dragging out too long.	[18:43]
nubbins`	https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3324	[18:44]
assbot	Bitcoin is running 32 bit systems out of virtual memory · Issue #3324 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTPPSZ )	[18:44]
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nubbins`	<+danielpbarron> i also had one going that was using a USB3 stick -- stopped it after a week or so when it was clearly way too slow <<< how far'd you get?	[18:45]
danielpbarron	well i didn't start it from scratch; I copied .bitcoin from the sata one	[18:45]
danielpbarron	http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Adanielpbarron+vs	[18:46]
assbot	40 results for 'from:danielpbarron vs' - #bitcoin-assets search	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` that doesn;t apply : this is pre leveldb	[18:46]
nubbins`	ah look at that	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	they think "it may be fixed" because "anectodally" it doesn't seem to have displayed the behaviour.	[18:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00022541 = 7.123 BTC [-] {2}	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	basically, this would be prima facie evidence that the code the power rangers sign has very little to do with them.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	they get it from a dead drop or something, and well, whatever. go to conferences.	[18:47]
nubbins`	the avionics systems haven't failed since last time, so we're pretty sure it may be fixed	[18:48]
nubbins`	seeya in the sky	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	"on this one plane i tried"	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	"which happened to run on a magically garbage collected computor that doens't exist anymore"	[18:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 306 @ 0.0034 = 1.0404 BTC [-]	[18:49]
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mod6	<+mircea_popescu> now, can we has static etc 32 bit ? << yeah. we'll put that at the top of the list.	[18:52]
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mircea_popescu	mod6 danke.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	ok, so : pogo = arch as per ascii, static new bitcoind 32 bit as soon as foundation can bang it out.	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	moar comments ?	[19:00]
danielpbarron	it could be debian	[19:01]
danielpbarron	debian works well on pogo, i'm ircing from it right now	[19:01]
danielpbarron	the static bitcoind might work on that	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	it can't, it has no 32 bit support.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	but iirc, a lot of valuable effort went into selecting and pepraring the os. what do you mean "it could be debian" ?	[19:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25167 @ 0.0002288 = 5.7582 BTC [+]	[19:02]
danielpbarron	so far i've gotton both debian and archlinux to work on a pogo	[19:03]
danielpbarron	gotten* / and debian is preferable because no systemd	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[19:03]
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danielpbarron	but the dynamic bitcoind wouldn't work on it; this may be resolved with the "new bitcoind 32 bit"	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	dude this "let's try pluging things see what happens" approach only works if you actually test, and you're not tooled for the mindboggling thing this testing would be.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	gotta go with an os brewed by someone with some experience so as to have at least a fighting chance the whole thing works.	[19:05]
danielpbarron	ascii did not brew the OS i'm using	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	what happened there ?	[19:06]
danielpbarron	his instructions were strictly for building bitcoind for pogo	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	wasn't the bulk of that "how to load the os on it" ?	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you there ?	[19:06]
danielpbarron	i was holding out for the thing that gets installed in the eeprom	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	ie, the os ?	[19:08]
danielpbarron	yeah	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	so what happened ?	[19:09]
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danielpbarron	ascii was looking at netbsd for a time; there was some bug where it couldn't see the nand, plus we discovered nasty things about netbsd in general	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	i see.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	so basically, i surmise, we'd have liked a clean "os in eeprom, data on disk" arrangement, but it seems we're not actually capable to do this, and so as a backstop you tried a few oses to go on disk	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	that basically it ?	[19:14]
danielpbarron	yeah	[19:14]
danielpbarron	ascii is probably capable, but he's also very busy	[19:14]
danielpbarron	i'm not so busy, but not so capable	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	i see.	[19:16]
nubbins`	arch, fwiw, has the most available documentation re: installing on pogoplug	[19:16]
nubbins`	but afaik there's no reason, say, gentoo wouldn't fly	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` the 128mb is the reason none of this flies. they all crawl so far.	[19:16]
nubbins`	consider the statement suitably modified	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	anyway, if anyone listening would like to try his hand at "make your fave os 128mb in eeprom"...	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	there is that.	[19:17]
danielpbarron	oh, i guess the reason no gentoo was the kernel and userland are bigger; but if it's not going into the eeprom gentoo should work	[19:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00023581 = 1.9572 BTC [+] {2}	[19:18]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1015395	[19:18]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2015 23:14:45; danielpbarron: asciilifeform, what about gentoo on the pogo?	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron we want os on the disk like we want wallets on windows.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	it's a horribru solution.	[19:18]
danielpbarron	right, but i'm just offering alternatives to ArchLinux (which is also on disk)	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	right.	[19:19]
trinque	danielpbarron: busybox is made for tight spaces	[19:19]
trinque	gentoo can do that	[19:19]
nubbins`	potential for wasted effort if the chosen os won't fit into eeprom down the road	[19:19]
trinque	I'm going to just buy one of these fuckers and pitch in	[19:20]
trinque	as if I don't have enough going on :p	[19:20]
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nubbins`	trinque they're a treat	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` all effort in linux' is wasted effort!	[19:20]
trinque	pogo 4?	[19:20]
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nubbins`	you should get a few	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	because the community is assholes etc.	[19:20]
nubbins`	we're assholes, yet here we are trying	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	trinque you seriously should buy a box.	[19:20]
danielpbarron	trinque, yeah "Pogoplug Series 4" the one with purple logo	[19:20]
trinque	alright	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	i bought hundreds.	[19:20]
nubbins`	blue logo if you want to store blockchain on usb stick ;p	[19:20]
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nubbins`	i'm prob'ly gonna grab 50 or so once i'm satisfied i can make it work	[19:21]
danielpbarron	http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I5MKZY/	[19:21]
assbot	Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBgiGQ )	[19:21]
trinque	nubbins`: eh? what's the difference in logo color?	[19:21]
nubbins`	blue logo has no USB3 or SATA	[19:21]
nubbins`	just USB2 and SD	[19:22]
nubbins`	http://www.henrys.com/67130-POGOPLUG-MOBILE-CLOUD-DEVICE.aspx	[19:22]
trinque	k	[19:22]
assbot	POGOPLUG MOBILE CLOUD DEVICE POGO-V4-A1-01	[19:22]
trinque	so I want red/pink/whatever	[19:22]
danielpbarron	also, the blue one cannot boot from usb	[19:22]
nubbins`	boots from SD tho!	[19:22]
danielpbarron	the purple has a usb2 port on the top next to sata port	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	as if I don't have enough going on :p << hey, in my spare time i'm designing a fucking game. up to my neck in, of all things, mysql!	[19:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5533 @ 0.000232 = 1.2837 BTC [-]	[19:23]
trinque	mircea_popescu: heh I don't mind; am merely setting expectations	[19:23]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins`: nm, that's not a flute << bwahaha	[19:24]
nubbins`	XD	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	http://bturn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Soviet-sex-12.jpg << notice the male sex bits are crowned	[19:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1y2ZeRC )	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	and the woman's butt has been spanked.	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	"Japanese society can be notoriously conservative when it comes to gender roles. While there is a lot of talk about the negative effects of imposing traditional roles on women, their restrictiveness and destructiveness for well-being are rarely mentioned in regard to men."	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	prime fucking nonsense.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	"traditional" gender roles not only happen to be correct, but the costs of getting rid of them are, simply put, societal collapse.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	the notion taht they are "destructive" for either men or women is so idiotic as to wrap over the ridiculous threshold multiple times.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	pro tip : not everything that's inconvenient is bad. on the fucking contrary.	[19:29]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[19:30]
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ascii_field	was in a meeting, l0l	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	ok, so tell me about osen.	[19:30]
ascii_field	ok 30sec version	[19:30]
ascii_field	i've a http://buildroot.uclibc.org for pogov4	[19:31]
jurov	i guess these roles were fit for manually working males, "inconvenient" for office rats	[19:31]
assbot	Buildroot: making embedded Linux easy ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBisX8 )	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	jurov i dun see there's a difference.	[19:31]
ascii_field	but kernel dies during boot and have not so far had the time to determine why	[19:31]
ascii_field	since everyone seems to be 'axe time sword time coooming clooser' i guess it's time for me to actually fix it	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field well, i can see a 32 brew of bitcoind coming soonish, is this tacklable to go with it ?	[19:32]
ascii_field	i built for 32!	[19:32]
ascii_field	no one remembers? posted bins too	[19:32]
ascii_field	for armv5 (pogo)	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[19:32]
ascii_field	on listserv	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	unrelated. foundation release.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	i guess that'll be useful for mod6 as a reminder, tho i think he knows.	[19:33]
ascii_field	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000039.html	[19:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HBiQ7T )	[19:33]
ascii_field	no reason why the latest recipe can't build on my cross-chain	[19:33]
ascii_field	for armv5	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	"PLEASE REMEMBER - these are for research use only.	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT firing these in anger. You may lose limbs." << recall that ?	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	it'll have to come off.	[19:33]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: not directly related	[19:33]
ascii_field	though it was used in the bin	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	anyway, wouldja focus here ?	[19:34]
ascii_field	the build recipe for the cross to armv5 was called 'portatronic'	[19:34]
ascii_field	yes, trying to describe from beginning	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	forget the 32 bit issue, mod6 is working on that.	[19:34]
ascii_field	unless some bug was -introduced- since i last played with bitcoind, it should work ok on 32	[19:34]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field so back to os topic.	[19:35]
ascii_field	aha?	[19:35]
nubbins`	<+ascii_field> no one remembers? posted bins too <<< i remember!	[19:35]
nubbins`	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000039.html	[19:35]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zKPVvv )	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	well, how soon can we have it ?	[19:35]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: basic idea is that we mustn't ship with a kernel built by some random bozo	[19:35]
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ascii_field	(but by known bozo!)	[19:35]
nubbins`	oh fuck, why don't i read	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you get all excited :D	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i said that above eh.	[19:36]
nubbins`	heh	[19:36]
trinque	any reason not to use pogo with an sd card for the blockchain?	[19:36]
trinque	or should I get this usm thing	[19:36]
nubbins`	much of today will be useful in the future, i'm putting a pin in it	[19:36]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: how soon can we have it << i personally will dust it off tonight and say where it's at before i turn in for the night	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	danke.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	trinque you should try the sd if you're doing research.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	we've not tried it much.	[19:37]
trinque	k	[19:37]
danielpbarron	store blockchain on SD card? that will take forever to sync	[19:37]
ascii_field	i tried this	[19:37]
ascii_field	not so hot.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	maybe he has good sd cards.	[19:38]
ascii_field	sd is a few 100 kB/sec in practice	[19:38]
danielpbarron	the 5400 rpm sata drive takes long enough	[19:38]
ascii_field	serial protocol, ~33MHz iirc	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron you gotta appreciate the following point : people have diff items hanging around ther house	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	and time is not much of a constraint here.	[19:38]
ascii_field	sd card isn't typically built for 100% duty cycle either	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	so it takes 6 months to sync instead of 4. oookay ?	[19:38]
ascii_field	(normal application is more something liek a camera)	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	if it runs for55 years ?	[19:38]
danielpbarron	might be interesting to see if an already synced .bitcoin directory is copied over to SD card and see if it can simply keep up	[19:39]
trinque	I am fine with doing the tortoise test	[19:39]
ascii_field	neh more like 2yrs vs 6mo	[19:39]
ascii_field	but -no one- must take my word for it	[19:39]
ascii_field	always - measure.	[19:39]
trinque	mostly interested in helping with the OS	[19:39]
nubbins`	cough	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field you on the other hand have to appreciate the ricochet benefit.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	let the man fucking play with things already	[19:39]
nubbins`	danielpbarron i'm wondering same but re: usb thumb	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` that's tested and sucks.	[19:39]
nubbins`	ok but what's sucks	[19:39]
trinque	http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Elite-Performance-Speed-Class/dp/B00HIKBW1G/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1427236380&sr=1-4&keywords=sd+card	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	very low speed	[19:40]
assbot	Amazon.com: PNY Elite Performance 64GB High Speed SDXC Class 10 UHS-1 Up to 90MB/sec Flash Card - P-SDX64U1H-GE: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBkgiU )	[19:40]
trinque	claims 10mb/sec	[19:40]
trinque	write	[19:40]
nubbins`	like 11 minutes to digest each new block sort of low speed?	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	more like 20	[19:40]
nubbins`	f off, srs?	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	it was atrocious.	[19:40]
nubbins`	o.O	[19:41]
danielpbarron	maybe i did it wrong or something; USB3 theoretically should be very fast	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	usbs have never been seriously optimised for FILMING TO THEM	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	some sds were.	[19:41]
nubbins`	hahah	[19:41]
ascii_field	i got pretty good results with usb3	[19:41]
nubbins`	yeah, fine	[19:41]
ascii_field	(samsung)	[19:41]
trinque	seems the above sd is intended for yeah, filming	[19:41]
danielpbarron	maybe it's a bad thumb drive i have	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	but as the guys say, maybe you find the magic stick.	[19:41]
trinque	buying it	[19:41]
nubbins`	so you're saying a synced .bitcoin/ copied to a usb2 thumb drive	[19:41]
nubbins`	and put into a pogo	[19:41]
nubbins`	will not pull down another block?	[19:41]
danielpbarron	nono, usb3	[19:41]
danielpbarron	and no, i haven't tried that	[19:42]
nubbins`	i said usb2 on purpose 8)	[19:42]
trinque	I like how they put 90mb/sec with a fucking asterisk on the thing's sticker	[19:42]
nubbins`	pogoplug mobile = usb2	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` more like, it'll never catch up.	[19:42]
trinque	that will someday be the contracted form of "isn't"	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	lol trinque	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	quite	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	"here's a large unrelated number *"	[19:42]
trinque	bullshit everywhere!	[19:43]
*	trinque bought	[19:43]
danielpbarron	would my .bitcoin/ data dir from 0.7.2 be compatible with 0.5.3.1 ?	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the situaton is : usb not usable for storage for our purposes, sd maybe usable. if one wants guidance, that's guidance, if one wants to do testing, that's your falsifiable hypothesis.	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron it should be yes.	[19:43]
danielpbarron	hm, that's my most up-to-date copy	[19:44]
nubbins`	same version of db?	[19:44]
danielpbarron	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/02/building-bitcoin-0-7-2-on-openbsd/	[19:45]
ascii_field	anyways i'ma do another buildroot tonight.	[19:45]
assbot	Building Bitcoin 0.7.2 on OpenBSD \| Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1y33fp8 )	[19:45]
danielpbarron	curl -O http://download.oracle.com/berkeley-db/db-4.8.30.NC.zip	[19:45]
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nubbins`	danielpbarron assuming same bdb, i'd say they're interchangeable	[19:46]
nubbins`	we'd want, class 10 sd?	[19:46]
*	nubbins` admittedly knows zilch about sd	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	class sexually adult, if it existed. 18+	[19:47]
nubbins`	so uhs 3	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067542 << for the record, moving is easy, but a year later and with tons and tons of support and roots and whatnot i still throw almost-daily tantrums	[19:49]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 13:06:50; asciilifeform: the 'pathology' was that these people imagined they wanted to move to japan, but what they -actually- wanted was: -to have always lived there-	[19:49]
nubbins`	http://www.amazon.ca/Transcend-TS128GSDU3-Speed-UHS-3-Memory/dp/B00J3KA8JG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1427237075&sr=8-1&keywords=sd+card+128gb+uhs+3	[19:49]
assbot	Transcend TS128GSDU3 128 GB High Speed 10 UHS-3 Flash Memory Card 95/60 MB/s: Amazon.ca: Computers & Tablets ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBmnmL )	[19:49]
nubbins`	30MB/s writes if it's up to spec	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	it usually goes like "omfg, argentines are fucking retarded" "unlike who, romanians ?" "but look at X!" "myeah..." "you got a point. fucking people."	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067551 << which is why japan even still exists anymore. they made it to california, that imploded, now they're moving to texas and places. i was kinda snickering at trinque's explosion yest, bexause well... texas won't survive the idiots either.	[19:51]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 13:08:20; nubbins`: a lot of them don't make it to japan	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't have a policy to take out libtards and shoot them. so it's doomed.	[19:52]
trinque	austin's being infested with californians, yep	[19:52]
nubbins`	callafornee	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	i loved texas in 2004ish. san antonio esp.	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	but i wouldn't revisit.	[19:52]
trinque	time to time I regress to the delusion that somewhere within the state's there's still actual entrepreneurship	[19:53]
trinque	*states	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	you know, like the american beauty notion that somewhere in the obnoxious bitch that's anette benning there's still the girl that flashed helicopters.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	"just gotta find the right zit to pop, and out she goes"	[19:54]
trinque	lol	[19:54]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/jerod23/status/580443354934210560 << more PHPain	[19:55]
assbot	Bug in forum software let people on while set offline DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF GOING OFFLINE TO SPEED REBUILD! Now my IP only hence 403 msg	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i see you got the boards delivert ?	[19:56]
nubbins`	re: bitseed node, are they using refurb HDDs or something?	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i somehow doubt that guy has a problem with traffic.	[19:57]
nubbins`	SBC and 160GB hdd for $149, how they makin money!	[19:58]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Apparently he popped a RAID earlier this week and started his rebuild with the site still up	[19:58]
nubbins`	bahaha	[19:59]
nubbins`	:(	[19:59]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo guy runs a blogspot blog and has 50 followers. what difference does it make if its publicly visible or not.	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	public's not looking.	[20:00]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It's his othersite with woes http://www.crazymeds.us/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage	[20:01]
assbot	Finding the Treatment Options that Suck Less \| The Good, the Bad & the Funny of these Crazy Meds ... ( http://bit.ly/1y36v43 )	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	o look, 403 didn't work either.	[20:02]
trinque	http://www.cafepress.com/crazymeds/10704145 << insanity is a lifestyle	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	im sure it's the damned forum bug.	[20:03]
assbot	Medicated for Your Protection : Straitjacket T-Shirts ... ( http://bit.ly/1y36T2r )	[20:03]
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gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 248.63, Best ask: 248.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 248.7, 24 hour volume: 62580.95742971, 24 hour low: 241.39, 24 hour high: 268.44, 24 hour vwap: None	[20:09]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[20:09]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067616 << would not this problem be adequately solved with a huge slab of steel / al / we ?	[20:10]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 13:21:38; nubbins`: the $300 one has... a domestic oven element. http://imgur.com/KJqDivg	[20:10]
trinque	http://www.ibtimes.co.in/turkey-guilt-ridden-japanese-engineer-kills-self-harakiri-style-over-bridge-collapse-627096 << not harakiri as I understand it, but still	[20:10]
assbot	Turkey: 'Guilt-Ridden' Japanese Engineer Kills Self Harakiri-Style over Bridge Collapse ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBr0wZ )	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	more points scored for japan than everything the us state dept did past decade put together.	[20:11]
trinque	I doubt I have the culture to even talk about honor but that seems in the ballpark	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	actually americans used to be pretty honorable as far as these things go.	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	then they became reasonable instead, sometime around ww1/ww2. by now...	[20:16]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu huge slab of steel = unreasonable heat-up times, plus the thing'd fall over frontwards	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	i thought this was used on a feeder, not 1 shirt at a time	[20:17]
Pierre_Rochard	http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/24/apple-acquires-durable-database-company-foundationdb/ < NoSQL just became NoDB. Everyone who jumped on that bandwagon got their comuppance	[20:17]
assbot	Apple Acquires Durable Database Company FoundationDB \| TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1y3awFz )	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	if you do 1k of the things, metal is actualy very reasonable. just the right sort of q inertia	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard heh.	[20:17]
nubbins`	this is a "Flash dryer" for semi-drying inks on-press between colors of ink	[20:18]
trinque	Pierre_Rochard: oh codd	[20:18]
nubbins`	i lay down a print, swing the arm 90deg to the left	[20:18]
nubbins`	dwell 10s while i print the next one, rotate again etc	[20:18]
nubbins`	THAT SAID, people can and do use the huge-coil ones	[20:19]
nubbins`	philippines in particular has a massive amount of small-industry silkscreen and almost all of them are using dismantled ovens for curing	[20:19]
jurov	actually that is what i meant, office rats can't really have honor. and without honor, also no role	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	jurov why couldn't they ?	[20:19]
nubbins`	which everyone thought was odd, until one guy from there explained how many ovens an actual flash cure would cost	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	see, to propose honor is somehow in the job ie external rather than i nthe person seems nonsense.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	besides, historically, every new job was deemed to be "devoid of the possibility of honor"	[20:20]
nubbins`	you see some wild setups. like shirts being hung on a clothesline and wheeled across a 30 foot bank of hung oven elements	[20:20]
nubbins`	etc	[20:20]
jurov	honorable person would refuse such job	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	i dunno about that.	[20:20]
jurov	know any counterexample?	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	now, you're right in saying that gender is not really an attribute of lower life forms, and if one becomes a part of some sort of machine the gender's useless to them, which is how we got bees and ants in the first place.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, i dunno that there's something magical about the office automatically requiring this.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	the uk ran offices of perfectly respectable folk for all of the 1800s.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	for that matter - being A DOCTOR is becoming more like this, and wasn't like this before at all - it was the very pinnacle of liberal profession.	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	so i agree that punishing the plebs for being "bicurious" or "metrosexual" or "gender confused" or "Transsexual" or w/e is really silly, they're simply sexless.	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	but this does not flow from "office job" imo.	[20:23]
jurov	both cases were primarily defined tby going out and talking/doing something to people, not pushing papers and filling forms	[20:23]
nubbins`	hey, some people in office jobs have sharp teeth	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	jurov not sure socialisation is the key here. for instance, navigators perfectly honorable, except if not.	[20:23]
jurov	um, i can't put the finger exactly there	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	then again, pirates invented the "honor among thieves" thing which is what we're fundamentally continuating here. "how could there be rule of law otuside of usg ?!?!" "same way there was rule of law in the fucking bahamas"	[20:24]
trinque	jurov: are you equating office with cube-hell?	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	and this is where it comes out that mp sees only very moderate problems with "honor killings", for instance, as atrociously intoilerable they may seem to the libertard set. meanwhile mp sees some problem with say "hospital deaths", as totally benign and normal and expected they seem to the same set.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	but not subscribing to that particular silly manicheism allows one to see that really, the modern story of "libertard society driving out honor society (aka, amusingly, honorata societa)" has everything to do with a happenstance :	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	that scientists happened to prefer working with one of the available ideologies rather than the other. there's nothing ~fundamental~ about the "well being" of democracy.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	it all flows from packaging and selling other people's added value, and those other people are pointedly not part of the democracy, nor is their donation necessary in absolutely any sense.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	so, on the score of "what is bitcoin disrupting" : getting scientists to donate to a honor-based system rather than to a socialism-based system will utterly restructure society.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	/end rant	[20:30]
trinque	hm yeah, and the thing has inertia. places with scientists are better places for scientists, that sort of thing?	[20:32]
BingoBoingo	!t m s.mpoe	[20:32]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00019609 / 0.00022267 / 0.00025613 (1540463 shares, 343.03 BTC), 7D: 0.00019609 / 0.00028556 / 0.00033536 (17997385 shares, 5,139.37 BTC), 30D: 0.00019609 / 0.00034935 / 0.0004493 (81056609 shares, 28,317.29 BTC)	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	truth is scientists can't really be anything but scientists.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	if they buy into the entire "socialist nice" thing, as exemplified by say the original dispute that created this place, or whatever recent quiote from some linus criticism of poettering's or w/e, you get one sort of failure mode of science.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	if they buy into the entire honor thing, you get a different failure mode.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	in principle whichever ideology (ie, principle of societal organisation) offers best insulation from failure modes will prevail.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	since somehow "tradition" was for a while cognate with "don't need to read or write or even know history, tradition is what i say it is", there was a major, multi-secular migration towards "liberalism"	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	as that shit's coming to hit the fan with its "equality" and whatnot, the whole tectonic plaque's going to come this way again.	[20:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00022649 = 6.1605 BTC [-] {2}	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	and so on. it's not just the dusk of "america", it's the end of "democracy" and liberalism etc.	[20:35]
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trinque	this way being hierarchial power structures, wealth defining governance?	[20:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00022532 = 2.6024 BTC [-] {2}	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	this way being hard to pinpoint yet, but mostly a wot based, loose and half anon, gpg empowered, bitcoin measured thing.	[20:36]
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mircea_popescu	we're getting a new body, it's wot-innervated and bitcoin-perfused and im starting to guess the musculature etc.	[20:36]
trinque	mhm	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	most things too early to tell really.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	for lolz, contrast this with the entire "we don't understand bitcoin but are excited at the blockchain technology" thingee.	[20:38]
jurov	these scientists need to be funded, and somehow despite mpex, this isn't happening	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	gossip networks and fault tolerant pow. stuff that was there for decades. "we don't understand what matters but we'll stick to clutching at the straws we recognise"	[20:39]
jurov	alf's everyday ramblings are case in point	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	suddenly the "don't need to read or write" shoe is on the other, liberal foot.	[20:39]
trinque	jurov: seems like it's early days	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	jurov yeah, most infants have dayjobs too, the feed themselves o.O	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	read the case in point in say henry millers' books. the guy DROVE the sexual revolution,	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	he'smore a part of it than max fucking hardcore.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	he also starved.	[20:40]
[]bot	Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC to rise vs USD in March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1125/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 77(Y):23(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.088943 BTC. Current weight: 16,043.	[20:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33589 @ 0.00022402 = 7.5246 BTC [-] {2}	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	money comes after the glory.	[20:40]
trinque	good documentary about the band Death that invented punk rock	[20:41]
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trinque	bunch of black dudes from Detroit	[20:41]
trinque	the leader there died of alcoholism or something along those lines	[20:41]
trinque	mircea_popescu: the permanent social memory thing; that's what interested me in deedbot	[20:44]
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trinque	whatever's said there lasts at least as long as the currency	[20:44]
trinque	hell of a mark of cain	[20:45]
jurov	fuck the starvation	[20:46]
jurov	goodnight	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	jurov i couldn't agree more.	[20:46]
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trinque	I have to admire someone who dies with a finger pointed at someplace better.	[20:49]
trinque	though I admire more the man who creates the better place	[20:49]
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mircea_popescu	in the end, different people.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	trinque people always wanted to fight forgetfulness huh.	[20:55]
trinque	I don't follow	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	lemme find you the quote	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	Pedalavo come se fuggissi, e in realtà fuggivo. Da lei, da quelle emozioni, dai sogni, dai ricordi, da tutto e pensavo che dovevo dimenticare. Ero certo che sarei riuscito a dimenticare, ma oggi che sono vecchio, che ho consumato banalmente la vita, che ho conosciuto tante donne che mi hanno detto: “Ricordati di me” e io le ho scordate tutte, ancora oggi e’ lei l’unica che non ho mai dimenticato. Malena!	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	you seen that movie ?	[20:57]
trinque	I haven't	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	ah, check it out sometime	[20:58]
trinque	k	[20:58]
trinque	should I be able to parse the quotation without the film?	[21:00]
trinque	comment on obsession?	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	well... on memory.	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	but no, i dun think its meaningful without the film	[21:02]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/memorial-university-students-give-rotten-cafeteria-food-a-failing-grade-1.3007569	[21:03]
assbot	Memorial University students give 'rotten' cafeteria food a failing grade - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1xfo6dR )	[21:03]
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pete_dushenski	aramark funken blows	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067650 << guy that brought singapore from just under india to just above uk through five decades of caning.	[21:06]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 13:28:54; asciilifeform: in other news, lee kuan yew is dead	[21:06]
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pete_dushenski	singapore is now apple without steve jobs	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	well, going to china anyway	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067669 << quite. except, there's a difference between understanding and controlling.	[21:11]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 13:45:18; nubbins`: put another way: those who are unable to judge the character/nature of others are more likely to wish for escape, and their disability follows them to their new life, where they make the same sort of mistakes they'd make at home	[21:11]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067693 "You're not seeing "a kid" that "made" "X money" with "a story". You're seeing an economic process. It's an ad. It converts to some degree, like any ad."	[21:13]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 13:56:10; asciilifeform: reminds me of how when clinton was half-heartedly prosecuting microshit for antitrust violations, some 'think tank' (cato? i forget) had a 'microsoft defense fund' that the public was invited to contribute to !	[21:13]
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funkenstein_	bring your air filter	[21:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00023166 = 5.166 BTC [+]	[21:14]
funkenstein_	i just watched "under the dome" documentary on china air pollution	[21:14]
funkenstein_	good evening gentlemen	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067728 << they had one here last year.	[21:15]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 14:20:55; asciilifeform: the kind involving armoured trucks, rockets, demolition charges	[21:15]
pete_dushenski	"Get ready to ride in style Singapore, we’ve added supercars to the Uber platform. Starting this Saturday, March 21st, you will be able to request a Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder or Maserati GranTurismo Coupe to come pick you up." << yew moves out, uber moves in.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	buncha guys broke a coupla 17 yos out of juvenile detention. a	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	amusingly, the guy they were actually there to break out had already escapeds.	[21:15]
pete_dushenski	funkenstein_ did they feature the peri-air ?	[21:16]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067737 << so wait, the case can only close if man = bad, woman = good ? no other outcome available ?	[21:17]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 14:22:59; asciilifeform: 'Longo said the case is suspended, not closed. He said the fact that investigators could not find evidence “doesn’t mean that something terrible didn’t happen to Jackie.”'	[21:17]
funkenstein_	pete_dushenski, no i hadn't heard of it	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	why would anyone partake ? "i am not taking part in your kangaroo mockery. you want to either win or flip again, i dun have time for that"	[21:17]
pete_dushenski	!s canned air	[21:18]
assbot	1 results for 'canned air' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=canned+air	[21:18]
pete_dushenski	^yup. that'd be the one	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067739 << lulz of all fucking time.	[21:18]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 14:25:53; nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/ksBVtHB.png	[21:18]
pete_dushenski	straight out of space balls.	[21:19]
funkenstein_	wow	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	seriously, women want to feel like something (even cancer) would fuck em ? heh	[21:19]
asciilifeform	back	[21:19]
nubbins`	wb	[21:20]
pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiabeNR_q0U << classic mel brooks	[21:20]
assbot	Perri-Air - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRpnb1 )	[21:20]
asciilifeform	asciilifeform i see you got the boards delivert << aha see pics	[21:21]
trinque	#makers << my sides	[21:21]
asciilifeform	would not this problem be adequately solved with a huge slab of steel / al << i did say.	[21:23]
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asciilifeform	Japanese Engineer Kills Self Harakiri-Style over Bridge Collapse << mega-respekt!!!	[21:24]
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asciilifeform	office rats can't really have honor << wtf sure they can	[21:24]
asciilifeform	but then again it is rather like saying that sewer rats could read reddit (yes, the occasional iPnohe falls into a street drain.)	[21:25]
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*	Adlai is starting to warm up to ada: http://archive.adaic.com/standards/83rat/html/ratl-13-03.html#13.3.2	[21:26]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1xfpE7J )	[21:26]
asciilifeform	getting scientists to donate to a honor-based system rather than to a socialism-based system will utterly restructure society << funnily orlov is 100% with this program, in his own peculiar way	[21:26]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ...the original dispute that created this place... << now i'm curious	[21:27]
asciilifeform	what was it.	[21:27]
asciilifeform	these scientists need to be funded, and somehow despite mpex, this isn't happening << jurov has it, unfortunately. we are in the jungle still.	[21:28]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: gmaxwell's anti-porn/free-speech stance	[21:29]
BingoBoingo	!up decimation	[21:30]
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nubbins`	S.LORDSHIP-GENERAL-PROJECT-FUNDING	[21:30]
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decimation	asciilifeform: have you tested the boards?	[21:30]
nubbins`	or, what was it the guy tried to pass off? "the peerage"	[21:30]
asciilifeform	Adlai: starting to warm... << one of the two practically-usable programming -systems- (note, i didn't say 'languages') designed by and for thinking people	[21:31]
asciilifeform	decimation: yes, tested. see photos.	[21:31]
asciilifeform	decimation: not proper test (will have to happen in weekend) but does output visually correct results.	[21:32]
decimation	where's the pics?	[21:33]
asciilifeform	in log, 1sec	[21:34]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067561	[21:35]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 13:10:21; asciilifeform: in other news: http://imgur.com/YqbQh33,VN8dqBv,xJ6WGhl,nTPgWYW,WX6hpiT#4	[21:35]
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decimation	ah I was looking for png	[21:36]
decimation	well, it doesn't short, and has serial-ly output somewhere, these are good things	[21:37]
asciilifeform	decimation: it's a 100% analogue device, actually	[21:38]
asciilifeform	well, 99%	[21:38]
decimation	I've been thinking about building a 'geiger counter' rng like herr walker's	[21:39]
asciilifeform	not especially hard	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/a-little-bit-of-bitcoin-history/	[21:39]
assbot	A little bit of Bitcoin history pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xfqLUU )	[21:39]
asciilifeform	ty mircea_popescu	[21:39]
*	asciilifeform blew dust off pogotron and warming up	[21:40]
asciilifeform	considerably easier now that i have it booting off the lan	[21:41]
asciilifeform	('i want too!' -- then see listserv)	[21:41]
decimation	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-03-2015#1064748 < yeah, this might make more sense - a conventional drone with missile. the important point is that these would be loitering at random radii and altitudes, making apriori 'air defense' clearance difficult	[21:42]
assbot	Logged on 23-03-2015 06:08:33; ben_vulpes: I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket << why bother with expensive turbomachinery? just use solid propellants...	[21:42]
decimation	asciilifeform: did you get the remote u-boot console working?	[21:42]
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asciilifeform	decimation: i did, long ago, and replaced with real serial console	[21:42]
asciilifeform	which is considerably more pleasant to use	[21:43]
decimation	i imagine so	[21:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00021568 = 1.3696 BTC [-]	[21:44]
BingoBoingo	http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/features-issue-sections/12228/mac-plus-modern-web/	[21:44]
assbot	Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRtiod )	[21:44]
BingoBoingo	^ latest in tradition of people doing this	[21:45]
asciilifeform	lol, CONFIG_SERIAL_MPSC_CONSOLE	[21:46]
asciilifeform	^ not in buildroot menus, because tards	[21:46]
asciilifeform	or alternatively, 'quit believing the docs'	[21:46]
asciilifeform	hint to others: NEVER 'make clean' on a working buildroot cross-compilation tree	[21:47]
asciilifeform	nukes the toolchain (incl. gcc) too.	[21:47]
asciilifeform	that's another hour or three that i will have no useful output.	[21:47]
decimation	lol is that a freebsd feature?	[21:48]
asciilifeform	linux	[21:48]
decimation	ah	[21:48]
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asciilifeform	http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/headline-story/12210/anarchist-cookbook-history-usenet << mega-l0l	[21:48]
assbot	‘The Anarchist Cookbook’ and the rise of DIY terrorism ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRtPqu )	[21:48]
decimation	asciilifeform: did you see this http://www.manux.info/en/	[21:48]
assbot	The Manux operating system ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRtQuu )	[21:48]
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decimation	it's an utterly crippled version of 'linux' with all the crud stripped out	[21:49]
asciilifeform	'Withstanding zero-day attacks in userspace' << by definition impossible	[21:49]
decimation	it also is apparently nonfunctional	[21:49]
decimation	"Uh, many. It's currently text-only, its IP stack isn't functionnal and will have to be partly rewritten, privilege-checking isn't implemented, it can't handle more than one hard drive..."	[21:49]
asciilifeform	very bad phrasing right off the bat	[21:49]
asciilifeform	can't speak for anything else in there	[21:49]
asciilifeform	appears to be vaguely minix-flavoured	[21:49]
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decimation	my daughter loves to watch Кро́т cartoons now	[21:50]
asciilifeform	decimation: i never saw the animated one. only had the book	[21:50]
decimation	heh I didn't realize there was a book	[21:51]
asciilifeform	decimation: http://royallib.com/book/novotni_y/krot_v_gorode.html	[21:51]
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assbot	Новотны Й. - Крот в городе, скачать бесплатно книгу в формате fb2, doc, rtf, html, txt ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRujN4 )	[21:51]
*	asciilifeform has not checked the quality of the scan	[21:52]
asciilifeform	could be full of spam	[21:52]
decimation	somewhat related, apparently you can order books, music, dvds from amazon.de for 3eur + 3eur per kg shipping (to the us)	[21:55]
asciilifeform	woah that was fast	[21:57]
asciilifeform	(build finished)	[21:57]
asciilifeform	still no dice though. no console output	[21:57]
asciilifeform	found shitgnomery though	[21:58]
asciilifeform	where it apparently strips flags one added manually to .config	[21:58]
asciilifeform	for no particularly good reason	[21:58]
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brendafdez	This is weird, do I lose cloak when using the web interface? :/	[22:00]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[22:00]
brendafdez	not nice.	[22:00]
BingoBoingo	You lose cloak with webchat, also logging	[22:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00021322 = 2.9424 BTC [-]	[22:01]
brendafdez	what does it mean I lose logging? local logs? bc I do see it in the online log for the channel	[22:01]
brendafdez	Neteller will gladly take your bitcoin in exchange for their tokens, at no cost. You can proceed to then spend them through their debit card and such... http://www.coindesk.com/neteller-bitcoin-deposit-policy-reversal/	[22:02]
assbot	NETELLER Adds Bitcoin Deposit Option in Surprise Policy Reversal ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRvUTb )	[22:02]
brendafdez	No bitcoin payoutsa, however	[22:02]
BingoBoingo	The local logs	[22:05]
Adlai	brendafdez: identify before joining the channel and you'll be cloaked	[22:06]
Adlai	even better, use sasl (Auth to services: ☑)	[22:07]
nubbins`	!s bitnodes	[22:09]
assbot	9 results for 'bitnodes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitnodes	[22:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00021321 = 2.2067 BTC [-]	[22:14]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[22:16]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 246.32, vol: 19197.38270643 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 247.456, vol: 13466.6437 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 246.32, vol: 64980.74454729 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 249.99, vol: 47.82915974 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 243.810164, vol: 199545.78660000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 247.04008, vol: 29.82396973 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 247.8613, vol: 143.09772369 \| Volume-weighted last (1 more message)	[22:16]
funkenstein_	bezzle over 4 millies again	[22:20]
funkenstein_	anybody give me a book review? http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/1530.cfm	[22:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DWf47X )	[22:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00021305 = 3.1105 BTC [-] {2}	[22:21]
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mod6	alright, new droplet created for x32 deb6 testing.	[22:24]
Adlai	;;more	[22:27]
gribble	Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.	[22:27]
Adlai	;;more BingoBoingo	[22:27]
gribble	average: 244.688886748	[22:27]
BingoBoingo	brendafdez: http://dpaste.com/3Z7TTT1	[22:29]
assbot	dpaste: 3Z7TTT1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRA2T2 )	[22:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00021457 = 4.4845 BTC [+] {2}	[22:33]
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BingoBoingo	Science isn't a big ycombinator fan either http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/24/a_couple_of_ycombinators_startups.php	[22:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00021655 = 4.2011 BTC [+]	[22:49]
mod6	x32 OpenSSL built: requires adding -m32 flag to ./Configure & setting: SSL_ARCH_TYPE=linux-generic32	[22:51]
mod6	will work on bdb & boost... will publish findings/changes to mailing list when complete...	[22:52]
nubbins`	pin woot	[22:52]
trinque	danielpbarron: ^	[22:54]
*	danielpbarron nods	[22:54]
mod6	bdb built	[22:56]
mod6	building boost...	[22:56]
asciilifeform	'This might be unduly harsh, but if Atomwise can do what they say, why are they on Ycombinator? Pull up to a big pharma, ask for some minimally proprietary data, and let the computers go to work. It'd be like printing winning lottery tickets.'	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah you did say, and yeah i guess pretty much everyone honestly trying has figured out the same thing, if not necessarily apt to express it.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	re orlov.	[23:00]
asciilifeform	speaking of...	[23:01]
asciilifeform	http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/financial-feudalism.html	[23:01]
assbot	ClubOrlov: Financial Feudalism ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjO0cO )	[23:01]
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mircea_popescu	where it apparently strips flags one added manually to .config << ahahaha	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	such logical.	[23:05]
asciilifeform	since phixed	[23:05]
mod6	ok statically linked bitcoind x32 version built & pulling blocks.	[23:05]
asciilifeform	now trying to find which of the 5 supported marvells is actually compatible with kirkwood	[23:05]
asciilifeform	(which, naturally, isn't)	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	No bitcoin payoutsa, however << a) nothing surprising about it and b) everyone wants to get as many btc as humanly possible before having to admit it.	[23:06]
asciilifeform	i would dearly love to know what kind of 'open source' the folks who built that archlinux kernel practice.	[23:06]
asciilifeform	where, for instance, is their config ?	[23:06]
mod6	it's 1 change to the auto.sh file, & have to have the 3 vars at the top set correctly. I'll post a copy of this auto.sh, a diff to the 64 bit version and a diff to the original portatronic version yet tonight.	[23:06]
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asciilifeform	they are in violation of gpl and, if anyone were actually concerned with this, would be made to swallow a hammer or whatever it is that is supposed to happen to such hooligans	[23:06]
mod6	> 15000 blocks & counting...	[23:07]
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mircea_popescu	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tHsZRRZGenI/VQ2bzk35ARI/AAAAAAAAGR8/Dyutk4-Qy6Q/s1600/Feudal.png << this is pretty idiotic.	[23:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FDlHfO )	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	this is why i don't like reading orlov. the propaganda angle doesn't bother me as much, but the millitant, sheer ignorance does.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	find a fucking count that was allegiant to a duke in the entire history of feudalism.	[23:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10805 @ 0.00022068 = 2.3844 BTC [+]	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	i am willing to bet, on the strength of that diagram, that his disneyland notions of "feudalism" preclude him even knowing WHEN in time this happened	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	protip : no, it's not 1550, that's the cinquecento in italy, feudalism is already dead and rotting everywhere.	[23:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: he's using a ru dictionary, betcah	[23:11]
asciilifeform	*betcha	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	even so.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	russia did not exist. the various duchies were not even feudal ffs.	[23:12]
asciilifeform	aha but the man's dictionary	[23:12]
asciilifeform	duke outranks count there, so.	[23:12]
thestringpuller	cyrptofeudalism is awesome	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	"outranks" is a purely courtly consideration	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	"what order do they follow the monarch in"	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	by the time anyone cares about this feudalism was long defeated.	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	in any case : counts as in, counts palatine, counts of the hre, etc, were sovereign.	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	dukes did not by and large exist, unless you mean dux, which was a leader of fucking cataphracts	[23:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: he meant герцог	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	marsh lord, what is known as marquis, actually outranked counts at court, chiefly because being the lord of a marsh he had much more legal power than the head of settled land	[23:14]
asciilifeform	this is pretty clear	[23:14]
asciilifeform	hertzog	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	and on and on and fucking on it goes.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's a count	[23:15]
asciilifeform	nope	[23:15]
asciilifeform	граф	[23:15]
mod6	ok im gonna stop this thing, rebuild one more time for good measure, then will create diffs & publish.	[23:15]
asciilifeform	see i can tell where he got it.	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	grof ? that's a hungarian/polish count.	[23:15]
asciilifeform	and guess what other kind.	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	hey, more power to you, but really...	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	"here's what i remember of this bad translation of a phenomena by some people who didn't live it, and who are so far from me culturally i in turn have no idea. let's make an infographic and educate reddit."	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	pssssshhh	[23:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'll add that this is (or was) sop in ru world	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	ima insist this is no path to understanding	[23:16]
asciilifeform	sorta like those 'c' programmers who #define'd themselves BEGIN and END blocks	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	it may be a path to "respek" an autoritah	[23:16]
asciilifeform	it's an ill habit, sorta like the elaborate rules for mistransliterating german and english	[23:17]
asciilifeform	(in ru)	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	aha	[23:17]
decimation	landgraf	[23:17]
decimation	^graf who reports directly to emperor	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	decimation landgraf aka margrave aka march lord is a post-feudalist construct	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	"about half the power a count used to have back when the counts of belgium dominated france, for to protect the country borders"	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	(march = marsh = border, in this understanding. strips of marginal and thus uninhabited lands)	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	anyway. the peak of feudalism is around the peak of things like the tournoi as a public sport.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	it was ending just as the hansa was coming into its own.	[23:19]
*	asciilifeform thought that this was reasonably well known	[23:19]
decimation	The German titles of Landgraf, Markgraf, and Pfalzgraf bei Rhein are in the same class of ranks as Herzog ("duke") and above the rank of a Graf ("count").	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform unapparent from the orlov piece.	[23:19]
decimation	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landgrave	[23:19]
assbot	Landgrave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDonu2 )	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	decimation before long you'll be looking into subtle distinctions such as between "king of germany" and "king in germany"	[23:20]
asciilifeform	'salute the uniform, not the man!' (TM)	[23:20]
decimation	Herr Fredrick took the "of" for himself	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	aha	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	but basically, feudalism and metalwork almost look as a zero sum game : as the latter develops the former fades	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	(in favour of the centralised state)	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	in NO CASE was feudalism replaced by capitalism tho.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	this is like saying bows were replaced by submachine guns. well... no. at absolutely no point had people using bows encountered people using submachine guns.	[23:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i can tell he's using the su version of capitalism (it being, 'what is left when you subtract stone age + feudalism + communism from the cosmic background hiss)	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	perhaps an argument can be brought for places like sicily cca 1930, but it is still very tenuous.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the problem with using a language is that you're stuck using it according to itself tho. this is like, orlov horribly mauled a teenaged girl and you're like "well clearly the bear thought her cunt's salmon."	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	this may be true, but the girl's still pretty badly bloodied.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	or, less crackpottishly, the idea of ascendancy of the merchant class probably equals capitalism in his head	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	the merchant class was ascendant cca 1300!	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	which i wager is before he thinks feudalism STARTS	[23:24]
decimation	polish calvary charging the motorized wehrmacht?	[23:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26066 @ 0.00021246 = 5.538 BTC [-] {2}	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	decimation that cavalry was not feudal tho. prussian military.	[23:25]
decimation	ah true	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	it was imperialism vs early steampunk democracy	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	sort of a rehash of napoleonic conflicts.	[23:26]
decimation	fredrick inspired much socialistoid bureaucracy too	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	the centralised state can only be a centralised state after all.	[23:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10235 @ 0.00021359 = 2.1861 BTC [+]	[23:27]
decimation	my male line lived under the landgraf hesse-homburg for at least 400 years	[23:27]
decimation	it was rolled up into prussistan	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	"A new system of economic relations was brought into being, based on money that could be generated at will, in the form of debt" << this is EXACTLY unrelated to capitalism.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	for most of the industrial revolution, late 1600s to early 1900s, this view was exactly not held.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	moreover, as late as during ww2, the west thought the war is mostly about preventing exactly that.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	i mean shit, you can't go around conflating everything you don't know about for chrissakes.	[23:29]
*	mircea_popescu has angrily closed that blogspot	[23:29]
asciilifeform	unrelated,	[23:30]
asciilifeform	i can tell none of you tried to build pogo's vendor kernel	[23:30]
asciilifeform	(perhaps can already guess what happens)	[23:30]
nubbins`	doesn't work!	[23:31]
asciilifeform	no	[23:31]
asciilifeform	doesn't build	[23:31]
asciilifeform	on any modern toolchain	[23:31]
decimation	And in fact there was a rear-guard action, launched in May of 1944, just before the Bretton Woods Conference, by a group of influential New York bankers, who very much hated the Bretton Woods agenda. They offered to lend Britain at least $3 billion dollars after the War, in return for which Britain would walk away from the Bretton Woods Conference. Clarke and others in the British Treasury wanted to pursue this idea. But Keynes would	[23:32]
decimation	have none of it. ... Because he wanted to be known as the man who overthrew the gold standard and replaced it with a new, rational, managed international monetary system. So he very much had his own personal legacy at heart here.	[23:32]
asciilifeform	nor is there any ready means for determining which un-modern combination of tools it -did- build on	[23:32]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/1YQR1W7 << look good?	[23:38]
assbot	dpaste: 1YQR1W7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDsSF2 )	[23:38]
mod6	pulled over 70k blocks	[23:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 300 @ 0.00354894 = 1.0647 BTC [-]	[23:42]
decimation	;;ticker	[23:42]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 247.2, Best ask: 247.23, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 247.25, 24 hour volume: 65365.6785161, 24 hour low: 241.39, 24 hour high: 267.49, 24 hour vwap: None	[23:42]
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mod6	it seems a bit silly to post a patch also back to the original portatronic version for this. anyone have any objections if i just publish a full copy of the 32bit auto.sh and a patch of auto.sh to the previous version (v0.0.5 included in the -RELEASE) ?	[23:50]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1132/ Odds: 55(Y):45(N) by coin, 55(Y):45(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.665139 BTC. Current weight: 99,430.	[23:51]
danielpbarron	what does the portatronic thing do differently?	[23:52]
BingoBoingo	Ah, we're unthreading all of the vocabulary today!	[23:55]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: specified toolchain for possible cross-compilation	[23:55]
danielpbarron	that's it? i thought maybe it patched stuff in the source or something	[23:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14728 @ 0.00021005 = 3.0936 BTC [-] {2}	[23:56]
mod6	going once... going twice ... SOLD! to the man with 3 letters and integer in his nick	[23:57]
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BingoBoingo	lol	[23:59]

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