Forum logs for 24 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
Apocalyptic CheckDavid, what kind of business ? [00:01]
dexX7 it's a shame that everyone started to yell about the sec stuff, but it was known since korbman was called by them weeks? earlier [00:01]
* bounce puts down a high hat and fiddles a tune of big plans and obvious competence [00:01]
CheckDavid Web business Apocalyptic . a different kind of job board [00:01]
mike_c good to know the WSJ is still weeks behind b-a [00:02]
dexX7 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2014#535777 [00:02]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [00:02]
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TestingUnoDosTre the SEC has been calling people as well as emailing? I didn't realize they worked so much [00:04]
dexX7 well, i guess the flow of bitcoin news is something like assets-> trilema -> reddit -> mass media [00:04]
benkay good one, Mats_cd03. that's what i'm doing. [00:05]
mircea_popescu JorgePasada does have a point, he does read a little bitter. [00:05]
Mats_cd03 benkay: asscoins? [00:05]
mircea_popescu i need business to start a money << hahaha epic. [00:06]
bounce you just missed the kid in -otc, though he offered euros [00:06]
benkay Mats_cd03: derpy web apps [00:07]
mircea_popescu dexX7 not so sure reddit beats that all too often [00:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [+] [00:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 81 @ 0.05475965 = 4.4355 BTC [-] {8} [00:07]
mircea_popescu i guess it depends on degrees of separation from cat [00:07]
radan is bitcoin an end or a means to an end [00:08]
JorgePasada mircea_popescu: Overall I like Taleb, I just wish he'd present his ideas without so much of his emotional baggage... but I guess that's the struggle of communication in general. He probably wouldn't be nearly the same person without all those experiences, so I guess some of it is bound to seep through [00:08]
mircea_popescu radan http://trilema.com/2014/heres-a-thought-being-bitcoin-is-more-of-a-something-to-be-than-being-jewish-ever-was-or-could-ever-be/ [00:09]
Mats_cd03 hahaha [00:09]
radan I read it [00:09]
mircea_popescu JorgePasada i think this comes with the territory of being old. in the following specific sense : [00:09]
radan it makes sense logically, but judaism isn't a logical entity [00:09]
mircea_popescu we easily laugh at kids today because they're wimps, no experience with physical violence, completely unable to cope with physical reality. [00:09]
radan it involves ties of emotions, genetics, history, and shared experience [00:10]
mircea_popescu meanwhile however, they are experts at handling what's called "trolling" [00:10]
radan none of these are things that bitcoin can emulate [00:10]
mircea_popescu people born before the 80s utterly suck at that [00:10]
mircea_popescu "how could he say i fuck donkeys in my spare time!111" [00:10]
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mircea_popescu so in a sense, it's a quid pro quo, and taleb is captive of his generation. [00:11]
JorgePasada I agree with that observation completely, the trolling thing [00:11]
JorgePasada especially that younger generations are much better at dealing with it [00:12]
mircea_popescu it's very visible to me because i have to be veeehehery careful to insulate the older (mostly engineering) people working for me [00:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.065999 = 0.66 BTC [+] [00:12]
mircea_popescu from the pr stuff. otherwise they end up moping and all indignant [00:12]
mircea_popescu "but how can they say that! THAT IS SO STUPID!!!" [00:12]
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JorgePasada Trying to tie something into this and make a salient point... [00:14]
JorgePasada something in the vein of emotional resilience and self reliance vs physical [00:14]
mircea_popescu i usually go listen, forgot about that, it's not your job, let the girls handle it etc. [00:14]
TestingUnoDosTre do you pay workers in btc? [00:15]
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mircea_popescu mostly yeah [00:15]
TestingUnoDosTre do the engineers freak out a lot with price changes, or do they understand how to protect themselves from shifts in price if they care to do so [00:16]
mircea_popescu i don't think anyone actually depends on it. [00:17]
mircea_popescu srsly now, as an engineer, if you're any good and you got to be old, how the fuck would you actually need a salary [00:17]
mike_c multiple divorces [00:17]
TestingUnoDosTre lol [00:17]
TestingUnoDosTre multiple children [00:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00299 = 0.1794 BTC [-] {2} [00:17]
mircea_popescu hehe i guess so [00:18]
mircea_popescu and it's not only on this angle, either [00:19]
mircea_popescu old people are for some reason really really concerned with libel [00:19]
mircea_popescu to the degree they can't even write for the internet. what if someone doesn't like what they say!!1 [00:19]
mircea_popescu as if, you know. everybody loves raymond or some shit. [00:19]
mircea_popescu but as ridiculous as it may seem, a lot of older people have serious trouble coping with the idea that well... not everybody is going to like them. no matter what they do. [00:20]
mircea_popescu it's what informs all the god-awful "pr" everyone else is doing. [00:20]
JorgePasada one of the weird dichotomies coming out of the internet and the whole 'trolling' thing [00:20]
CheckDavid Mats_cd03: u r a genius [00:21]
JorgePasada Is I'm meeting more and more young people who realize earlier on in their lives [00:21]
Mats_cd03 whats the timeline on +m and 0.1btc for +v [00:21]
JorgePasada that they don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of them and they're content being themselves [00:21]
JorgePasada the flip side of that is [00:21]
JorgePasada it seems like it breaks a lot of kids [00:21]
mircea_popescu the bill cosby problem [00:21]
JorgePasada some of my younger cousins are throughly fucked up [00:21]
mircea_popescu wearting their clothes backwards :D [00:21]
mircea_popescu myeah. [00:21]
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JorgePasada This stuff is pretty high up the stack though, i mean, in terms of the maslows triange stuff [00:23]
JorgePasada weird thing is, for me at least, the more firm footing I found in the upper self actualization shit, the less of a base I felt I needed to stand on for the other stuff [00:24]
mircea_popescu im not so sure about that. [00:24]
mircea_popescu take a shy chick to the nude beach, she'll usually rather part with the clothing than be considered a loser by the other chicks. [00:24]
mircea_popescu apparently the need to belong beats clothing and shelter. [00:24]
JorgePasada I'd agree to that [00:24]
JorgePasada in matters of style [00:25]
JorgePasada or culture [00:25]
mircea_popescu nudity is style ?! [00:25]
JorgePasada god I hope so [00:25]
mircea_popescu "all she got about her is the way that she walks... [00:25]
mircea_popescu cause she can't dance... she can't sing... [00:25]
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JorgePasada I guess I was about to draw a line where there really isn't one, but like... when it comes to culture/style vs morality and ethics [00:26]
JorgePasada kind of more of a spectrum I guess [00:26]
mircea_popescu myeah [00:26]
JorgePasada But I mean... hmm [00:26]
mircea_popescu !b 1 [00:26]
assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1753362/plain/) [00:26]
mircea_popescu that'll be like the -assets motto [00:27]
JorgePasada I guess if it were like "Stoning people cause it's the cool thing" and I felt like I was going to get my ass beat if I didn't stone someone [00:27]
JorgePasada I might, I dunno [00:27]
JorgePasada interesting thing to think about [00:27]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 who knows, may even happen this year. [00:27]
mircea_popescu ideally it never happens [00:27]
JorgePasada I'd like to think I'd never use force or violence against another human without it being initiated on me first, but... [00:27]
JorgePasada yeah, ideally that [00:27]
JorgePasada that being said, still glad I know how to shoot well [00:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.065999 = 0.264 BTC [+] [00:30]
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Mats_cd03 are you allowed to carry concealed in your jurisdiction, JorgePasada? [00:31]
JorgePasada mats_cd03: Yep, with a permit, which I have. [00:32]
JorgePasada A bunch of restrictions on it though [00:32]
benkay murca! [00:32]
Mats_cd03 murica: land of the free and guns [00:33]
Mats_cd03 friendly reminder for all readers in the us following along [00:35]
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Mats_cd03 if you live in an unsafe area and are in need of home defense, find yourself an antique handgun or firearm: legal to own and unnecessary to declare to local LE in many jurisdictions [00:37]
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Mats_cd03 downsides: expensive, typically slow to reload, usually involves a grand jury investigation [00:37]
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benkay whatever happened to hiring muscle? [00:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 256 @ 0.00297961 = 0.7628 BTC [-] {4} [00:38]
benkay !t h rent [00:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525000 / 0.00541687 / 0.00556000 (1177 shares, 6.37565958 BTC), 7D: 0.00511800 / 0.00542967 / 0.00568690 (2166 shares, 11.76065904 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00555978 / 0.00900001 (50129 shares, 278.70606449 BTC) [00:38]
Mats_cd03 upsides: low collateral damage, sometimes you can hide the body before authorities appear and forensics will be of little assistance to LE [00:38]
mircea_popescu i'm with benkay. if you live in an unsafe area, just open a bar, pass free drinks to the teenaged hoodlums, watch them mow down the police if you ever need any help [00:39]
benkay way better [00:39]
mircea_popescu definitely cheaper, certainly more enjoyable. [00:40]
mike_c wow, RENT has been dipping below ipo already? and btc hasn't even gone up yet. [00:40]
benkay mhm [00:40]
Mats_cd03 id be worried about my place of business being razed by 50 calibre rounds [00:40]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 just add steel plating in the walls. [00:40]
Mats_cd03 dont you know local cops in the us now have dedicated swat teams? [00:40]
mircea_popescu so ? [00:40]
mircea_popescu go for a hundred rounds/week average. [00:40]
benkay well you gotta hedge by taking the commissioner out to dinner regularly too [00:41]
mircea_popescu collect all the spent cartridges and have the local chicks make art [00:41]
Mats_cd03 i saw an MRAP from afghanistan in a parade for st patricks day [00:41]
mircea_popescu benkay in a sane country, maybe. in the us, he's not worth the time. [00:41]
Mats_cd03 it had been retrofitted for use by LE... i pooped myself [00:42]
the20year3 thecluck TheSeven thestringpuller ThickAsThieves thoa_afk [00:42]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/AltcoinInvest check it out ThickAsThieves [00:42]
ozbot Altcoin Investments (AltcoinInvest) on Twitter [00:42]
benkay single tear. [00:42]
Mats_cd03 i have seen those things get blasted by a buried 120mm shell and witnessed the driver walking away from the explosion [00:42]
benkay hey mircea_popescu wouldja invite @anjiecast to join us? [00:43]
mircea_popescu ya srsly [00:43]
benkay "Feminism is not a gulag–it’s not like there are guards that'll shoot you if you try to escape." http://time.com/30397/duke-porn-star-is-right-kink-can-be-a-feminist-choice/ … idk still skeptical [00:44]
mircea_popescu what's to be skeptical about ? [00:44]
mircea_popescu feminist slavegirls ftw. [00:45]
benkay fuck if i can figure out how to link to a specific tweet [00:45]
benkay well its twitter. i imagine she has to stake out some controversial stance. [00:45]
benkay american feminism is totally down with lifestyle bdsm man [00:46]
mircea_popescu right. [00:46]
benkay but on the internet, say anything off party line and get burnt. [00:46]
benkay far easier to have this conversation with the lady in question present. [00:47]
wao-ende1 whats happening with vircurex? [00:48]
mircea_popescu well maybe she joins [00:48]
mircea_popescu so far i've noticed people tend to join when invited. [00:48]
ThickAsThieves "Orphancoin has potential for real world adoption." [00:49]
ThickAsThieves hehe [00:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00095095 = 23.2983 BTC [-] [00:49]
mircea_popescu is this a coin where every block's an orphan or is this a coin that will be "airdropped" on orphans [00:49]
ThickAsThieves it'll be airdropped on mommies and daddies that love each other very much [00:50]
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mircea_popescu umm [00:51]
mircea_popescu wait, it's a "trade children currency" ? [00:51]
mircea_popescu bejesus. [00:51]
asciilifeform slavecoin! [00:52]
ThickAsThieves http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners [00:53]
ozbot Butterfly Labs and BF Labs, Inc. Bitcoin Miners | Wood Law Firm [00:53]
mircea_popescu myeah. [00:53]
ThickAsThieves isnt katecraig's name "Wood"? [00:53]
ThickAsThieves scam! [00:53]
ThickAsThieves "we seek to create a list of gullible idiots" [00:54]
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mircea_popescu lol no, it's an actual law firm from like missouri iirc [00:56]
mircea_popescu modern day ambulance chasers, they mostly work injury and consumer claims [00:56]
nubbins` http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/215mbl/psa_dont_losebreak_your_phone_if_youre_doing_2fa/ [00:58]
nubbins` how's this for a PSA: back up your fuckin phone [00:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00094938 = 26.2978 BTC [-] {2} [00:58]
benkay not as though 2fa really helps if your counterparties are incompetent [00:59]
benkay ;;google cascadian hacker 2fa [00:59]
gribble No matches found. [00:59]
benkay wat [00:59]
ThickAsThieves not that it's the best solution, but doesn't the Authy app store 2fa in their "cloud" [01:00]
benkay http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_webwallets-will-always-fail-fr33aids-wallet-robbed-blockchaininfo-complicit-in-2fa-compromise.html [01:00]
ozbot Webwallets Will Always Fail - Fr33aid's wallet robbed, Blockchain.info complicit in 2FA compromise [01:00]
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mircea_popescu princessnell as opposed to eskimo nell ? [01:03]
nubbins` fun fact, "eskimo" is a derogatory term in canada [01:04]
mircea_popescu eh everything's a derogatory term somewhere [01:05]
nubbins` nod [01:05]
mircea_popescu but eskimo nell's a thing. [01:05]
mircea_popescu ;;google "eskimo nell" [01:05]
gribble The Ballad of Eskimo Nell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Eskimo Nell - Rugby Songs Home: ; The Ballad of Eskimo Nell: [01:05]
nubbins` afaik the literal translation of eskimo is "eater of raw meat" [01:05]
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nubbins` and this caused some consternation from the inhabitants of canada's north [01:06]
mircea_popescu well... they look like they eat the meat raw... [01:06]
nubbins` it's totally a thing [01:06]
mircea_popescu :D [01:06]
nubbins` http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/governor-general-applauded-denounced-for-eating-raw-seal/article4292531/ [01:06]
ozbot Governor-General applauded, denounced for eating raw seal - The Globe and Mail [01:06]
mircea_popescu i wonder how long before southpark starts idling in here to crib material for furhter episodes. [01:07]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` actually you know what ? fuck! you don't need to make a quarterly ook or w/e [01:07]
mircea_popescu you need to make a shitty cartoon [01:07]
mircea_popescu like sorta-parodic mockery of assets [01:07]
nubbins` imagine, a haitian woman becomes the queen's representative in canada, and flies up north to eat raw meat with people who take offense at being called eaters of raw meat [01:08]
kakobrekla anyway, some noob exploited aksimet default shipping plugin, changed the address and left everything behind. this happened 13 days ago. everything else checks out. [01:08]
nubbins` that's a storyline right there [01:08]
dub HHFT of bitcoin [01:08]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla sheeeit [01:08]
kakobrekla 0.1 btc a dignity is lost. [01:09]
mircea_popescu do you even php [01:09]
nubbins` do you even pcp [01:09]
mircea_popescu i sometimes pgp... [01:09]
kakobrekla since today on i have a dedicated wp secretary [01:09]
kakobrekla things will improve! [01:09]
kakobrekla said garr [01:10]
mircea_popescu cut your cock off and get implants! [01:10]
mircea_popescu btw, speaking of butterfly abs : [01:10]
mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/61464935f76488c88a645bb814fe9938/tumblr_mg8i4jh6AC1s0ece5o1_1280.jpg [01:10]
kakobrekla jurov your addy? [01:12]
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mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/anjiecast << anyone know who those two guys are in the background there ? [01:12]
ozbot Andrea Castillo (anjiecast) on Twitter [01:12]
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dub butterfly labes [01:13]
benkay butterfly lobes [01:13]
benkay fuck mircea_popescu it's rattling around somewhere in my brain... [01:13]
phf dali and man ray [01:14]
mircea_popescu "your head's very small and the brain's rattling around" [01:14]
benkay yesssssss [01:14]
benkay oi. [01:14]
mircea_popescu lol [01:14]
mircea_popescu phf ty :) [01:14]
benkay princessnell: are you the just-linked anjiecast? [01:14]
mircea_popescu more usefully : hey princessnell, to talk you write in the bar to the bottom of the screen and press enter. [01:15]
benkay i always forget that [01:15]
mircea_popescu by the way : here's dali saying romania is the best there is [01:16]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/radu-varia/ [01:16]
ozbot Radu Varia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:16]
benkay well the pit is prepared for his afternoon training. i'm off to make him a better dog. [01:17]
nubbins` i had a prof for vector calculus named oana radu [01:17]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7BvtmDcv_U [01:17]
ozbot Oana Radu & Dr Mako feat. Eli - Tu - YouTube [01:17]
mircea_popescu that chick ? [01:17]
benkay ninjashogun: web wallets are anathema. [01:18]
mircea_popescu (oana is top 20 frequency name for a girl, radu is top 50 or so frequency for a boy. gypsyes in the south keep calling themselves firstname-firstname) [01:18]
nubbins` nope [01:18]
nubbins` http://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/detail-2643/videos/ [01:19]
ozbot Death - Live at Amoeba Music [01:19]
nubbins` ^ [01:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05261133 = 0.1578 BTC [-] {2} [01:20]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0526 = 0.1052 BTC [-] {2} [01:23]
mircea_popescu ;;seen moiety [01:24]
gribble moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: i sreepy, good mew all, whatever your timezone! [01:24]
mircea_popescu ;;seen izzy_ [01:24]
gribble izzy_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 15 hours, 9 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: ok [01:24]
mircea_popescu long weekend in pennsylvania ? [01:24]
ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/anjiecast << anyone know who those two guys are in the background there ? /// Dali [01:27]
mircea_popescu as per the log :p [01:27]
ThickAsThieves oh [01:27]
mircea_popescu i was mostly messing with benkay [01:27]
mircea_popescu and successfully i might add :D [01:28]
ThickAsThieves mp you look pretty hardcore with that shaved head and beard now [01:28]
mircea_popescu why ty [01:29]
ThickAsThieves first time shaved? [01:29]
ThickAsThieves is it itchy? [01:29]
benkay SO CONFUS [01:30]
mircea_popescu i often shave in teh summer [01:30]
mircea_popescu but atm i look more like the old pic than this new one [01:30]
ThickAsThieves as long as you maintain a hint of rabbi, i'm cool with it [01:31]
ThickAsThieves :) [01:31]
mircea_popescu lol [01:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0526059 = 0.1052 BTC [+] [01:33]
mircea_popescu "In London, the different guilds divided into tribes and engaged in violent disputes. In 1339, fishmongers were involved in a series of major street battles with goldsmiths. But ironically, the apprentices with the worst reputation for violence belonged to the legal profession." [01:35]
mircea_popescu heh [01:35]
mircea_popescu In the 15th and 16th Centuries, apprentice riots in London became more common, with the mob targeting foreigners including the Flemish and Lombards. On May Day in 1517, the call to riot was shouted out - "Prentices and clubs!" - and a night of looting and violence followed that shocked Tudor England. [01:35]
mircea_popescu By this time, the city was swelling with apprentices, and the adult population was finding them more difficult to control, says Barbara Hanawalt. As early death from infectious disease became rarer the apprentices faced a long wait to take over from their masters. "You've got quite a number of young men who are in apprenticeships who have got no hope of getting a workshop and a business of their own," says Jeremy Goldb [01:35]
mircea_popescu erg. "You've got numbers of somewhat disillusioned and disenfranchised young men, who may be predisposed to challenging authority, because they have nothing invested in it." [01:35]
mircea_popescu such progres. much wow. [01:36]
mircea_popescu (hint : the english crown did not survive) [01:36]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'the answers lie in the sewers' [01:38]
mircea_popescu quite [01:38]
mircea_popescu benkay dude you didn't scare the woman off in private did you ? [01:38]
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kakobrekla http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=424552.msg5864381#msg5864381 [01:40]
ozbot Is betsofbitcoin.in dead? [01:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0526079 = 0.1052 BTC [-] [01:40]
kakobrekla easy to compare oneself with dead horse [01:40]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla amusingly... that's actually the shit mpoe-pr references. [01:41]
mircea_popescu they got pushed by zero hedge and made like... half a btc or somesuch [01:41]
kakobrekla dunno whats the bigger problem, the service or the audience [01:43]
mircea_popescu "Definitely no one on this forum gets any credit whatsoever. You're all idiots." [01:43]
mircea_popescu so either way really. [01:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.065999 = 0.198 BTC [+] [01:45]
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mircea_popescu .d [01:51]
ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 183 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.8880% in 1d 0h 59m 38s [01:51]
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ThickAsThieves see i said 16% was too low! [01:57]
ThickAsThieves (for the bet) [01:57]
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kakobrekla unverified unknown just xpasting http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=c2qWB3nU [01:58]
kakobrekla (by your favorite gossip supplier) [01:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.002999 = 0.3299 BTC [+] [02:09]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla who is this ? [02:10]
kakobrekla i dunno some bullshit [02:10]
ThickAsThieves someone from reddit i think [02:10]
Apocalyptic ^ [02:10]
nubbins` heh [02:11]
nubbins` [20:32:13] i have 13000 bitcoin for sale [02:11]
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Mats_cd03 just another day for -otc [02:12]
jborkl So vicurex pulled a Gox now [02:13]
Mats_cd03 on another note, 300: Rise of an Empire is shit-terrible and not even worth pirating [02:13]
mircea_popescu tfluk [02:14]
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benkay mircea_popescu: must be off my feed or out of practice or something [02:28]
benkay or getting trolled hard. who can ever tell. [02:28]
mircea_popescu stby [02:28]
benkay every day. [02:30]
AusBitBank mircea_popescu, love your work on those SEC responses. Please keep us updated [02:31]
mircea_popescu aite. [02:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6444137 = 4.5109 BTC [+] {5} [02:36]
radan do any of y'all work out [02:36]
kakobrekla only in bed lately [02:37]
kakobrekla i used to ride my bike now i cant find it and mp sez its bad anyway [02:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00646272 = 0.4847 BTC [+] {8} [02:38]
TestingUnoDosTre i used to work out a lot more, not I'm mainly into yoga an rock climbing [02:38]
TestingUnoDosTre now* [02:39]
cazalla rock climbing is nothing compared to bowling [02:39]
TestingUnoDosTre uhhhh I love bowling [02:40]
cazalla it's a rush [02:40]
TestingUnoDosTre I wouldn't go that far, but I joined a bowling league a couple years ago and had quite a great time [02:40]
TestingUnoDosTre scores were all handicapped so it's mainly just how your team does vs. their average [02:41]
cazalla yeah, i'm definitely down for some rock climbing [02:42]
mircea_popescu bawling [02:42]
radan bicycling is bad for the pudendal nerve [02:42]
radan I wouldn't touch a bicycle except I have to go from class to class within ten minutes [02:43]
radan which is impossible without biking [02:43]
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KRS-One you said it man [02:44]
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TestingUnoDosTre I've heard you just have to get up off the seat every 30 seconds vs 2 minutes of riding on the seat [02:46]
benkay mircea_popescu kakobrekla radan: http://www.bycycleinc.com/ [02:46]
kakobrekla > TX police bike patrol ride the BiSaddle [02:47]
kakobrekla does it shoot cannons? [02:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00094985 = 1.5198 BTC [+] [02:47]
TestingUnoDosTre That's awesome [02:47]
MisterE morning [02:48]
radan $250.00/350.00 plus shipping [02:48]
radan guess I'll have to settle for impotence [02:49]
TestingUnoDosTre lol [02:49]
benkay small price to prevent DAMMIT [02:49]
benkay you know what it is? [02:49]
benkay i only had one cup of coffee today. [02:49]
TestingUnoDosTre shoulda chain smoked like 20 cigarettes to make up for it [02:49]
MisterE Mats_cd03: I knew it, too bad [02:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00094953 = 6.3619 BTC [-] [02:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00094953 = 10.3499 BTC [-] [02:52]
TestingUnoDosTre Every time bitcoin starts dropping I want to buy more... [02:56]
mircea_popescu ;;market [02:56]
gribble Error: "market" is not a valid command. [02:56]
mircea_popescu what the fuck was it [02:56]
mircea_popescu ;;price [02:56]
gribble Error: "price" is not a valid command. [02:56]
benkay ;;ticker [02:56]
mircea_popescu ;;derp [02:56]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 557.93, Best ask: 560.24, Bid-ask spread: 2.31000, Last trade: 560.25, 24 hour volume: 6430.26159447, 24 hour low: 555.0, 24 hour high: 569.48, 24 hour vwap: 562.954568291 [02:56]
gribble Error: "derp" is not a valid command. [02:56]
mircea_popescu a ty [02:56]
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TestingUnoDosTre derp is not a command!!! [02:56]
benkay wowee five fiddy [02:56]
decimation http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/03/22/sinkhole-of-bureaucracy/ [02:56]
ozbot Sinkhole of bureaucracy | The Washington Post [02:56]
TestingUnoDosTre seriously I've been buying more and more bitcoins this week [02:57]
mircea_popescu wast it closer to 500 ? [02:57]
MisterE TestingUnoDosTre: wait until it tests 500 [02:57]
MisterE no mircea_popescu it's had support at 550 [02:57]
mircea_popescu aok [02:57]
decimation ?The reports [from the contractor] just asserted that they had written X lines of code. .?.?. For an executive, that?s just invisible; you don?t know what it means,? said Curtis Smith, who oversaw retirement processing from 1989 to 1994. He was a longtime federal employee with a PhD in English literature, supervising a massive technology project. ?I had no idea [if] they were making progress from month to month. And I just sort of took it on [02:57]
decimation faith that they could make it work,? Smith said. ?And they never did.? [02:57]
benkay ;;@-# [02:57]
gribble Error: "@-#" is not a valid command. [02:57]
TestingUnoDosTre Ahhhh I had bought some the other week at like 450, but I was just so squeemish [02:57]
mircea_popescu decimation it's been here b4 you know [02:57]
decimation lol sorry, ascii posted yet yesterday [02:58]
TestingUnoDosTre fricken Western Union wouldn't let me wire funds to bitstamp... not sure if that was a good thing or a bad thing [02:59]
benkay TestingUnoDosTre: why don't you do it over -otc? [03:00]
benkay make your initial btc buy the right way, then put those btc on bitstamp for trading. [03:00]
TestingUnoDosTre I'm new to this [03:00]
benkay oh i thought you'd been around for a few months. [03:01]
TestingUnoDosTre I've been watching btc, hanging around the forum for a couple years, but only started purchasing recently [03:01]
TestingUnoDosTre so all the methods, other than a deal for cash, are new to me [03:01]
benkay the best way to fund a bitstamp account is with btc :D [03:01]
benkay -otc: "over the counter". [03:01]
TestingUnoDosTre I understand the definition... [03:02]
BingoBoingo ;;herp [03:02]
gribble Error: "herp" is not a valid command. [03:02]
TestingUnoDosTre but is it like cash wire, or in person, or what [03:02]
benkay hey BingoBoingo [03:02]
BingoBoingo heya [03:02]
benkay go ask in -otc, TestingUnoDosTre. have cash ready on the spot, or else they won't want to bother with you. [03:02]
benkay typically western union, perfect money. [03:02]
TestingUnoDosTre but how is it scamproof? [03:03]
benkay well, that's the web of trust [03:03]
benkay ;;gettrust mircea_popescu [03:03]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 [03:03]
KRS-One scuse me for a sec [03:03]
KRS-One .bait [03:03]
ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8nixdbFYl1qi0kbpo1_1280.jpg [03:03]
KRS-One yuck [03:03]
Mats_cd03 benkay: https://soundcloud.com/viceroymusic/montell-jordan-this-is-how [03:03]
benkay see, mircea_popescu and i have rated each other. you can also look at my profile and see with whom i've traded btc. [03:04]
TestingUnoDosTre ahhh I've got to go do some reading [03:04]
KRS-One Mats_cd03: good remix [03:04]
benkay i can't believe that I don't have an -otc essay [03:04]
Mats_cd03 i like it better than the original tbh [03:05]
TestingUnoDosTre Alright, but here is what I don't understand. Didn't pirateeat40 or whatever his sn was have a good WoT rating? [03:05]
benkay sure. [03:05]
benkay different risk profiles, though. [03:05]
Mats_cd03 whats difficult to understand [03:05]
benkay one scenario, someone's promising 7% a month or something crazy. [03:06]
benkay another scenario, someone's committing to sending you btc for your moneypak or whatever. [03:06]
TestingUnoDosTre yes, but couldn't someone just build up a WoT with small transactions and then run off with a medium transaction [03:06]
benkay if their reputation is solid enough, they don't really benefit from ripping you off for 1k. [03:06]
benkay sure [03:07]
benkay so ask around. [03:07]
benkay get to know the humans. [03:07]
benkay do your due dilligence. [03:07]
TestingUnoDosTre What about cash trade in a metro? [03:07]
KRS-One it'll take time [03:07]
benkay this isn't an internet thing where there's a great big easy buy button. [03:07]
benkay THIS IS BITCOIN [03:07]
Mats_cd03 so corny [03:07]
benkay how was elysium, Mats_cd03? [03:07]
benkay TestingUnoDosTre: f2f is far safer. [03:08]
Mats_cd03 like halo but with mark damon and rail guns [03:08]
Mats_cd03 er, [03:08]
Mats_cd03 whatever his name is [03:08]
benkay merp derpin [03:08]
mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre you gotta read the girl's write-up on the wot [03:08]
TestingUnoDosTre elysium ( the movie) was suprisingly mediocre [03:08]
TestingUnoDosTre f2f? [03:08]
Mats_cd03 i thought it was unsurprisingly mediocre [03:08]
benkay Mats_cd03: you might enjoy a book /Leviathan Wakes/ [03:09]
benkay TestingUnoDosTre: face to face [03:09]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871 [03:09]
mircea_popescu there [03:09]
ozbot Reputation system? [03:09]
Mats_cd03 ill add it to my list of things to read [03:09]
MisterE gribble has a wiki [03:09]
benkay ;;google aws wordpress ami [03:09]
gribble WordPress powered by Bitnami on AWS Marketplace: ; Tutorial: Hosting a WordPress Blog with Amazon EC2 - Documentation: ; WordPress Multisite powered by Bitnami on AWS Marketplace: [03:09]
MisterE pizza porn: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/05/31/worlds-largest-pizzas/ [03:09]
TestingUnoDosTre yah I would feel much more confident in a face to face situation [03:09]
MisterE always [03:10]
Mats_cd03 https://soundcloud.com/flume/disclosure-you-me-flume-remix [03:10]
TestingUnoDosTre this is what classifies as corny, for the record https://soundcloud.com/alunageorge/this-is-how-we-do-it [03:10]
MisterE TestingUnoDosTre: check out how long they've had a ns registration [03:10]
MisterE thats telling [03:10]
MisterE I'm 10+ years not going anywhere [03:11]
Mats_cd03 fucking lol TestingUnoDosTre [03:11]
TestingUnoDosTre okay this will probably illustrate how niave I am, but what's with gnupg keys asking for real names and email addresses? [03:11]
Mats_cd03 'balls' [03:11]
mircea_popescu what of it ? [03:11]
Mats_cd03 real names and email addresses are not personal information [03:11]
Mats_cd03 or particularly sensitive [03:12]
TestingUnoDosTre gotcha [03:12]
BingoBoingo TestingUnoDosTre: It's just questions that it asks, because it can put that information in the public key if you want it there. [03:12]
BingoBoingo TestingUnoDosTre: Works just find if you leave the information out as well [03:13]
TestingUnoDosTre I was thinking that I would much rather have a higher WoT rating with a key that did not contain my name and email [03:13]
mircea_popescu why ? [03:13]
mircea_popescu (honest q) [03:13]
diametric It also makes no claim to the authenticity of the information. You can make the key for Doc McStuffins if you wanted. [03:13]
TestingUnoDosTre Because I don't want my name following around my transactions or what not [03:13]
BingoBoingo TestingUnoDosTre: If you want to get really fancy you can embed a photo in your public key too. [03:13]
benkay eh, you can't afford true anonymity, TestingUnoDosTre. [03:13]
mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre this is roughly the equivalent of someone not pushing a button because it has "buttsex" written on it. [03:14]
benkay consider how you might leverage a strong WoT identity that you explictly control. [03:14]
TestingUnoDosTre If I go and buy bitcoin, then sell bitcoin, then buy bitcoin, then sell bitcoin, I would much rather have no name associated with the transactions [03:14]
mircea_popescu the buttsex and the button are nowhere connected [03:14]
diametric I would however pay handsomely for a buttsex button that worked as advertised. [03:14]
mircea_popescu craigslist ? [03:14]
benkay diametric wants to be buttsecksd [03:14]
benkay on demand [03:15]
diametric haha [03:15]
benkay can't be that hard [03:15]
TestingUnoDosTre what about craigslist? [03:15]
mircea_popescu anyway, the point being that whether your name is or is not associated with a list of txn is not contingent on you typing the name in the gpg key gen process [03:15]
TestingUnoDosTre with craigslist, I can tell someone that my name is Joe schmoe, I'll be wearing this or that, and meet me at the coffee shop [03:15]
benkay 's where the buttsecks be, TestingUnoDosTre. [03:15]
mircea_popescu you could make a key and baptise it mircea popescu right nao [03:15]
TestingUnoDosTre I understand that [03:16]
TestingUnoDosTre so I already created one with my real name and real email [03:16]
benkay you could probably buy btc off the craig too [03:16]
TestingUnoDosTre I'm wondering if I should generate another pair that doesn't have that info [03:16]
mircea_popescu more keys can't hurt anything [03:16]
benkay dilutes the attention paid to any given pair. [03:16]
benkay your future wot 'value' is a function of who's rated you, what #, and how long ago. [03:17]
TestingUnoDosTre Alright I'm good on that for the time being [03:17]
TestingUnoDosTre Ive got another question reguarding signing up for a VPN [03:17]
TestingUnoDosTre I feel like I'm in a chicken or the egg scenario. I want to sign up for a vpn, paying with bitcoin, and linking it to an anonymous email address [03:18]
TestingUnoDosTre do I have to go create the email address first, then sign up for the vpn? [03:19]
MisterE hit any of them with your real IP once and it's over why bother? [03:19]
MisterE yes [03:19]
jborkl You can watch Italian youtube [03:19]
TestingUnoDosTre so a VPN is only good when I'm not using my home ISP? [03:19]
TestingUnoDosTre I know that you should ALWAYS use a vpn [03:20]
mircea_popescu its not at all clear what are you trying to accomplish. [03:20]
MisterE well it depends why you are using a vpn [03:20]
TestingUnoDosTre I'm simply trying to browse the web anonymously [03:20]
MisterE without knowing what you want to do hard to advise [03:20]
MisterE use tor [03:20]
diametric VPN through TOR [03:21]
TestingUnoDosTre that's what I'm trying to do [03:21]
MisterE ok [03:21]
jborkl Tor is so slow [03:21]
TestingUnoDosTre but if I sign up for a vpn with my normal email address [03:21]
TestingUnoDosTre that just ruins the whole thing [03:21]
MisterE use Tor to sign up [03:21]
Mats_cd03 benkay: https://soundcloud.com/saintmotel/my-type-1 [03:21]
MisterE and get an anon email address also with Tor [03:21]
mircea_popescu anonymous in what sense ? so the sites can't serve you "tailored" adsense ? [03:21]
TestingUnoDosTre download tor, sign up for anonymous email address, then pay for vpn? [03:21]
TestingUnoDosTre let's just say I don't even want anyone to know I just went into a search engine and searched for bitcoin [03:22]
TestingUnoDosTre not quite sure if that's a good example [03:22]
benkay they are in fact out to get you. [03:22]
Mats_cd03 sigh [03:22]
MisterE I block that crap with a good HOSTS file, my trackign blocking browser extensions have like nothing to do... http://hosts-file.net/ [03:23]
TestingUnoDosTre I'm not afraid of anyone out to get me [03:23]
mircea_popescu "no one" [03:23]
TestingUnoDosTre I'm more into understanding how to actually browse anonymously [03:23]
* MisterE is with benkay on this one [03:23]
mircea_popescu tor doesn't actually work, in general. [03:23]
MisterE eh? [03:23]
MisterE tor works it's 99.9% a PEBCAC issue [03:23]
MisterE got to use it right [03:24]
BCB http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/216zuo/what_mtgox_and_vircurex_has_taught_us/ [03:24]
cazalla nothing? [03:24]
mircea_popescu lol [03:24]
TestingUnoDosTre so true [03:24]
MisterE haha :) [03:25]
asciilifeform anyone considering using tor for whatsoever purpose should... measure not 7, but 47 times, and cut - preferably not even once [03:25]
asciilifeform unless you have read the source (at least, the protocol spec) and understand the limitations [03:25]
MisterE that people are greedy and do stupid stuff. [03:26]
MisterE yea you mess up once and all the work you've done to be anon is over [03:26]
Mats_cd03 case in point sabu [03:26]
TestingUnoDosTre sabu? [03:27]
MisterE heh sabu, damn rat [03:27]
Mats_cd03 logged into a channel just like this one by accident from home once [03:27]
MisterE he's the one who cooperated witht he feds [03:27]
Mats_cd03 rather than his vpn [03:27]
MisterE yep all it takes is 1 mistake [03:27]
MisterE hit that email once from home oops [03:27]
Mats_cd03 and rather suddenly a rude man in a shit suit shows up for an interview unannounced [03:27]
asciilifeform 'the sapper errs once.' [03:27]
Mats_cd03 are you a sapper asciilifeform [03:28]
MisterE unlike DPR [03:28]
mircea_popescu lol [03:28]
MisterE who was like walking around SF carrying a sign that read BUST ME in neon letters [03:28]
asciilifeform Mats_cd03: nope. but every russian kid knows that proverb [03:28]
TestingUnoDosTre lol [03:28]
MisterE I'm a yank, tell me [03:28]
MisterE err seppo [03:28]
Mats_cd03 i see [03:29]
cazalla MisterE: :) [03:29]
asciilifeform there's a variation on the proverb where 'the sapper errs twice. once - when choosing profession' [03:29]
MisterE Gevork Vartanian? [03:29]
asciilifeform http://img15.nnm.ru/a/4/3/8/1/3061a891b67df7c0d028010c4a6_prev.jpg [03:30]
MisterE ahh a sapper is a mine clearer [03:32]
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Mats_cd03 a sapper is a combat engineer [03:32]
mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/bb0b50c4486e1cb47437440c08420753/tumblr_mnatxiXCMX1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg [03:32]
MisterE Like sappers, underground agents err only once” --Gevork Vartanian [03:32]
asciilifeform there is rarely anyone whose only duty is to clear mines [03:32]
MisterE right one of their jobs is clearing mines [03:33]
asciilifeform (with the possible exception of certain prisoners) [03:33]
MisterE heh [03:33]
Apocalyptic a sapper is a combat engineer << that's what google told me too [03:33]
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MisterE a soldier responsible for tasks such as building and repairing roads and bridges, laying and clearing mines, etc. [03:34]
MisterE American Heritage dic [03:34]
TestingUnoDosTre sounds like one hell of a job [03:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05339 = 0.1602 BTC [-] [03:35]
MisterE For many it's either that or selling crack on the corner [03:36]
MisterE where I come from [03:36]
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Mats_cd03 pretty easy job as i understand it [03:36]
benkay ;;google trilema drug dealer [03:37]
gribble What the drug trade is, how the drug trade works and why ... - Trilema: ; Forbes, now with a little extra ESL and a whole lot of extra ... - Trilema: ; Law enforcement never fails to (1 more message) [03:37]
Mats_cd03 step 1) sit in a hot vehicle moving at 5kph waiting for a bomb to explode [03:37]
MisterE until its not heh. I'd rather be a cook in the military [03:37]
MisterE they get all the perks [03:37]
Mats_cd03 step 2) go to 1 [03:37]
TestingUnoDosTre was that first page written before the transfer to english? [03:40]
benkay well as you can see it's written in english [03:41]
TestingUnoDosTre hmmm, must have clicked on the wrong one [03:42]
benkay if your client broke the url, you'll get a random page. [03:42]
benkay wait how did i get roped into doing trilema support [03:43]
TestingUnoDosTre :D [03:43]
mircea_popescu benkay victorian ai / army ? [03:43]
benkay til mircea_popescu is actually a composite personality of a bunch of humans educated by some well engineered weak ai [03:44]
mircea_popescu also chtulhy [03:44]
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TestingUnoDosTre Who recommended Leviathon awakes? [03:49]
benkay o/ [03:49]
benkay it's simply "Wakes" [03:49]
TestingUnoDosTre * [03:49]
benkay ... [03:51]
TestingUnoDosTre Just wondering what you thought of 2001: a space odessy [03:51]
benkay feeling kinda dated at this point, but i haven't read it in at least a decade and you might not want to take a dependency on my notions of things at that age. [03:52]
TestingUnoDosTre haha aright. I just got through it and thought it was absolutely spectacular [03:53]
benkay you may get a kick out of LW then. moderately more populated solar system; better understanding of biology etc. [03:53]
TestingUnoDosTre one of the antagonists is a corrupt operating system... can't get much better than that [03:53]
TestingUnoDosTre oooh [03:53]
benkay there were several books in the Space Odessy series worth reading too. [03:54]
TestingUnoDosTre I had no clue it was a series [03:54]
benkay authors have this dirty habit of milking their creative work for decades. [03:55]
benkay it's even enjoyable for the reader sometimes. other times..."read recycled books! they're easy to write, and read good!" [03:55]
mircea_popescu it's mostly the publishers [03:56]
TestingUnoDosTre If it ain't broke, don't quit it [03:56]
benkay Mats_cd03: Saint Motel passes the babe test. [03:59]
mircea_popescu http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9802EEDD1138E633A25751C1A96E9C946496D6CF [03:59]
ozbot BIG YACHT NOW JUNK AFTER 6 WEEKS' USE - Sea Call's Monel Metal-Steel Hull Ruined by Electrolysis, B [03:59]
benkay Mats_cd03: this means i must ban it from the house. [03:59]
Mats_cd03 whats the babe test [04:00]
MisterE Aluminum hull? [04:00]
Mats_cd03 that song is on a playlist entitled, 'dongs' [04:01]
mircea_popescu monel. [04:01]
MisterE oh no steel wow, mig mistake [04:01]
MisterE US had a terrible time with it and their new Aluminum hulled boats [04:01]
MisterE still a problem as of a year or so ago [04:02]
MisterE Electrolysis [04:02]
benkay "It was said that the boat could have been made as good as new by putting on a new steel bottom, but that apparently Mr. Cochran preferred not to do that." [04:02]
benkay you don't say. [04:02]
MisterE www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/shipbuilder-blames-navy-as-brand-new-warship-disintegrates/ [04:03]
benkay babe test. babe likes it. only hemisarcastic. [04:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] [04:05]
Mats_cd03 nope, still not following [04:06]
benkay there is a babe in my house. [04:07]
benkay you savvy? [04:07]
Mats_cd03 ok got it [04:07]
benkay this babe likes some musics. [04:07]
benkay savvy? [04:07]
Mats_cd03 i hear you loud and clear captain jack [04:08]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [10:41]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com [10:41]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014 [10:41]
dexX7 "strange" [10:42]
dexX7 "The first wafers were out in March 22th. The engineering batch of packaged chips will be out in March 28th. After that we can immediately start testing on functionality and power consumption." [10:42]
davout good morning! [10:42]
mircea_popescu heya [10:43]
dexX7 hi [10:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.69 BTC [-] [10:43]
mircea_popescu dexX7 what's strange about that ? [10:43]
dexX7 nothing - that's the point [10:43]
dexX7 ah you missed " yeh for some strange reason" [10:43]
mircea_popescu a a [10:43]
VanCleef but even .6 btc really overpriced [10:44]
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VanCleef will take you 6 years to make back roi [10:45]
VanCleef and am is hardly mining anymore they will just be selling chips [10:46]
dexX7 ;;calc 400000*0.6 [10:46]
gribble 240000 [10:46]
mircea_popescu what do the chips do, i forget. 3gh ? [10:46]
dexX7 ;;calc 6*24*365*25 [10:47]
gribble 1314000 [10:47]
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VanCleef is it worth it dexX7 ? [10:47]
dexX7 ;;calc 240000/1314000 [10:47]
gribble 0.182648401826 [10:47]
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dexX7 18 % network hashrate over one year needed [10:47]
malaimo mariorz Mats_cd03 MCM-Mike midnightmagic mikaeldi1e MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio_ mjr_ MobGod mod6 montgomery mpexbot [10:48]
VanCleef they wont achieve that because i dont think they are even mining, just selling chips [10:48]
mircea_popescu dexX7 mind commenting that calc sowe can follow at home ? [10:48]
dexX7 okay.. there are 400k am shares, so to make 0.6 btc per share you'd need 240000 btc in total [10:49]
dexX7 over one year there can be 1314000 btc mined [10:49]
mircea_popescu oh oh i see [10:50]
mircea_popescu i thought you were somehow calcing the chips roi [10:50]
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mircea_popescu VanCleef the 18% is of the total hashes hashed by the network over your arbitrary interval [10:50]
mircea_popescu not necessarily of the hashpower. [10:51]
dexX7 about the chips: "Rated Hashrate: 12.8GHash/s per chip" + "Power Consumption: 0.2J/GHash low voltage, 0.35J/GHash rated voltage" + "0.49$/G-0.99$/G, depending on order size and delivery speed of choice." [10:51]
mircea_popescu if they average 3% over the next 6 years then they made the 18% in question as it were [10:51]
VanCleef yeh [10:51]
mircea_popescu ok let's then math this. [10:51]
dexX7 yea well, the math is biased and doesn't factor in any expenses [10:51]
mircea_popescu ;;gen 12800000 [10:51]
gribble Error: "gen" is not a valid command. [10:52]
mircea_popescu ;;genrate 12800000 [10:52]
gribble The expected generation output, at 12800000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 4250217919.87, is 1.51455843716 BTC per day and 0.0631066015484 BTC per hour. [10:52]
mircea_popescu meh it got moved to mhps huh [10:52]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1.51455843716 * 550 [10:52]
gribble 833.007140438 [10:52]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.35 * 0.1 * 24 * 3600 [10:53]
gribble 3024.0 [10:53]
mircea_popescu o wait per Gh [10:53]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.35 * 0.1 * 24 * 3600 / 12.8 [10:53]
gribble 236.25 [10:53]
mircea_popescu well that's the end of the story. [10:53]
mircea_popescu .5 dollars a day (.833 dollars a day in mining revenue, .236 dollars a day in elec costs for chip only) [10:54]
mircea_popescu from which you have to repay 6 to 12.8 dollars for the chip + all other setup and fixed costs and make a profit. [10:54]
mircea_popescu obviously difficulty is still popping up, add in delivery and lead-in times and you're looking at a very tenuous bottom line [10:55]
dexX7 interesting [10:56]
VanCleef so what's a fair share price for am atm? [10:56]
mircea_popescu maybe .2 - .3 ? [10:56]
dexX7 1 btc+ due to the hype [10:56]
mircea_popescu or that yeah [10:56]
dexX7 oh you said "fair" [10:56]
VanCleef yeh .3 makes sense [10:56]
mircea_popescu depends what you mean by "Fair" [10:56]
mircea_popescu who could have imagined that one day chips able to do 12.8 gh/s were going to not be worth a dollar. [10:57]
mircea_popescu http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/why-impact-us-sanctions-russia-going-be-exactly-zero [10:58]
ozbot Why the Impact of U.S. Sanctions on Russia Is Going to Be Exactly Zero | Alternet [10:58]
mircea_popescu mostly quoted for the "asia times by pepe escobar" [10:58]
VanCleef pepe escobar a name you can trust [10:58]
dexX7 let's look at the competition. knc's neptune coming q2: "Minimum 3000GH/s" + "A 30% reduction in watts per GH" (currently about 1.6 w/gh afaik) + "$ 9,995.00" [10:59]
mircea_popescu dexX7 you don't see the whole competition [10:59]
mircea_popescu there are at least two manufacturers who are delivering but never bothered with the forum, at all. [11:00]
VanCleef "After the dotcom bubble and burst, they reinflated it with the real estate credit crisis bubble which also burst, now they've created the bubble of all bubbles its called the bailout bubble - The USA government launched bail outs, stimulus packages and guarantees to the tune of 10 trillion dollars. That's more than the total cost to the USA government for WW1, WW2, the Korean war, the Vietnam war, the invasion of Iraq and [11:00]
VanCleef scary [11:00]
dexX7 hehe i'm not really following the mining stuff [11:00]
mircea_popescu dexX7 i don't mean you-you. i mean, "the community" [11:00]
VanCleef china is playing this really smart [11:02]
VanCleef good on them [11:02]
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mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjewMXvIIAAm_Gj.jpg [11:10]
VanCleef nice [11:14]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 46 @ 0.06836259 = 3.1447 BTC [-] {14} [11:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00095654 = 11.4785 BTC [+] {2} [11:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00095661 = 1.4827 BTC [+] [11:23]
mircea_popescu Jon Gordon @JonGordon11 It's simple. The more you prepare the better you perform. This goes for sports, business, tests, speeches and life. [11:24]
mircea_popescu Mircea Popescu @JonGordon11 @johnsonwhitney And masturbation ? [11:24]
mircea_popescu i tell you, twitter is too damned easy. it's like being back in romania almost. [11:24]
dexX7 you are not in romania? [11:26]
mircea_popescu well i hadn't been doing business with actual romanian corps (as opposed to foreign run subsidiaries) for a decade. i had not been hiring romanians. for the past year i've not been writing in romanian, either, which means i don't even read the press [11:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00095678 = 19.0399 BTC [+] {3} [11:27]
mircea_popescu practically i live on an extrateritorial acre or somesuch. [11:27]
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cazalla i know of 2 romanian people - both put out daily content - the other being kripparrian [11:32]
dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528464.new#new [11:32]
ozbot [ANN] [ROCKMINER] IPO Announcement - miners using GEN3 ASICMINER chips [11:32]
mircea_popescu kripparian sounds armenian [11:32]
cazalla well, i believe he lives in canada [11:33]
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mircea_popescu lolk [11:33]
dexX7 https://www.kraken.com/security/audit "cryptographically-verified audit" [11:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15747 @ 0.00095715 = 15.0722 BTC [+] {2} [11:37]
mircea_popescu i dunno about that [11:38]
mircea_popescu after their appaling performance (showing the same deposit addresses to multiple users, losing hundreds of btc in the process) [11:38]
mircea_popescu and their appaling response to mpoe-pr (failing to fire the appaling pr, mt-gox-esque cover-up and denial) [11:39]
mircea_popescu i can't take anything of the sort other than more cover-up and more lying. [11:39]
mircea_popescu add more l's in there. [11:39]
dexX7 hehe [11:39]
dexX7 according to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528432 kraken holds about 0.5 % more coins than required [11:40]
mircea_popescu well, each his own determination. i do not trust them, at all. [11:41]
mircea_popescu i had originally hoped maybe they actually come to something, but i was disabused of these notions. [11:41]
dexX7 did they screw up in the past or did they screw up and tried to cover that? [11:44]
mircea_popescu the latter. [11:44]
mircea_popescu it's in their thread, look for mpoe-pr's posts [11:44]
dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4924847#msg4924847 this one? [11:46]
ozbot [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG [11:46]
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mircea_popescu yea [11:47]
mircea_popescu tis how dargo's btc career ended one day. [11:48]
mircea_popescu (hint : just because your "employer" tells you to do something, it doesn't follow it's a good idea to do - either for them or for you) [11:48]
dexX7 true [11:50]
mircea_popescu people just gotta use teh noggin a lot more, everywhere [11:51]
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jurov http://www.tvp.info/14506221/duma-do-polskiego-msz-podzielmy-ukraine Zhirinovsky.Of course. [12:15]
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jurov kakobrekla, bitcoin-assets.com throws 503, subdomains work [13:26]
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ThickAsThieves So Rockxie is IPOing? [14:40]
ThickAsThieves hrm [14:40]
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ThickAsThieves seems suspect [14:40]
ThickAsThieves he's been a board member and primary reseller for a long time [14:40]
ThickAsThieves seems like a hedge at best [14:41]
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MisterE is PPC going to supernova tonight? [14:52]
MisterE I got 99 problems but holding alts ain't one [14:55]
nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528432 [14:57]
ozbot [ANN] Kraken Passes Cryptographically Verifiable Proof of Reserves Audit [14:57]
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ThickAsThieves "Claim 1: Kraken controls a certain amount of Bitcoins." [14:59]
ThickAsThieves ... [14:59]
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chetty controls is an interesting choice of words [15:01]
VanCleef i'm ready to learn about the power of love [15:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.0029 = 0.2465 BTC [-] [15:04]
ThickAsThieves love is like greed, it'll motivate you to get fucked [15:05]
nubbins` showing how many btc you hold is vulgar, anyway ;p [15:06]
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ThickAsThieves are numbers vulgar in an audit? [15:07]
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Diablo-D3 who in here was looking for a cheap dedi server? [15:07]
ThickAsThieves i guess it doesnt matter [15:07]
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VanCleef good quote tat [15:08]
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ThickAsThieves i made it myself [15:08]
Diablo-D3 https://www.exelion.net/ use coupon hn50 [15:08]
ozbot Exelion Hosting [15:08]
VanCleef :) [15:08]
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nubbins` ThickAsThieves: exceptions to every rule :D [15:08]
nubbins` my roommate is supposed to be heading to las vegas today [15:10]
nubbins` http://weather.gc.ca/warnings/report_e.html?nl21#905cwhx [15:10]
ozbot Alerts for: St. John's and vicinity - Environment Canada [15:10]
nubbins` but i don't know if he will! [15:10]
VanCleef isit a guy or a girl? [15:10]
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ThickAsThieves the eternal question [15:18]
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VanCleef hows your music going tat, still making some beats? [15:21]
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nubbins` VanCleef: guy [15:25]
nubbins` GWAR frontman Dave Brockie dead at 50 [15:25]
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ThickAsThieves VanCleef, I helped with a local compilation of beats by local producers [15:26]
VanCleef what today? [15:26]
VanCleef nubbins [15:26]
ThickAsThieves it'll be released this week with some listening session events and such [15:26]
VanCleef yeh nice tat [15:27]
nubbins` http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/gwar-frontman-dave-brockie-a-k-a-oderus-urungus-reportedly-dead-at-50/ [15:27]
novusordo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528464 [15:28]
ozbot [ANN] [ROCKMINER] IPO Announcement - miners using GEN3 ASICMINER chips [15:28]
ThickAsThieves "GWAR's latest album, "Battle Maximus", sold around 3,500 copies in the United States in its first week of release to debut at position No. 109 on The Billboard 200 chart. " [15:28]
ThickAsThieves wow music industry really is in the shitter [15:29]
VanCleef yep [15:29]
ThickAsThieves so they maybe sell 10-15,000 each release [15:29]
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VanCleef is there some bad news about neobee lately? [15:30]
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ThickAsThieves well they said they'd release financial info last week and they didnt [15:31]
VanCleef ahh i see, thanks [15:31]
ThickAsThieves not sure if it was sposed to be a real update or just financial projections [15:31]
VanCleef do you have shares in anything atm? [15:32]
ThickAsThieves if i did i wouldnt necessarily say [15:33]
novusordo berkshire hathaway [15:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00272 = 0.1822 BTC [-] [15:33]
VanCleef lol cmon man i need something, tired of sitting ont he sidelines [15:34]
Neil .d [15:34]
ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 80 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.1362% in 0d 11h 4m 47s [15:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00273 = 0.1829 BTC [+] [15:34]
nubbins` VanCleef http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/ [15:35]
novusordo dat difficulty doe [15:35]
novusordo so what do you fellows think about the kraken audit process? [15:35]
nubbins` 5.5btc up for grabs there, potentially [15:35]
VanCleef i cant wait that long [15:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 330 @ 0.00273 = 0.9009 BTC [+] {2} [15:35]
VanCleef my daughter needs surgery next month [15:35]
ThickAsThieves stop with the surgery line, it's presumptious at best [15:36]
nubbins` your daughter needs surgery next month so you're looking for a BTC fund to invest in?! [15:36]
* nubbins` calls social services [15:37]
VanCleef yeh because i dont have enough coins for it [15:37]
novusordo seems legit [15:37]
nubbins` ^ [15:37]
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VanCleef rockxie ipo might be a decent buy [15:38]
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ThickAsThieves as a gem, maybe [15:38]
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VanCleef havelock down again? [15:45]
VanCleef how come fb never gets ddos? [15:45]
ThickAsThieves cuz their model is pretty much to invite ddos [15:46]
ThickAsThieves so theyve spent years accommodating [15:46]
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nubbins` might as well try to ddos amazon [15:49]
VanCleef SSL handshake failed [15:50]
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dexX7 "For me as outsider it looks like jimmothy is a paid shill/troll from an competing Bitcoin investment plattform. [15:58]
dexX7 " ahahaha so i'm not the only one :D [15:58]
dexX7 no wait [15:58]
dexX7 invert the message [15:58]
dexX7 this guy has the right feeling, but not the understanding of pure troll marketing [15:59]
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novusordo let's ddos cloudfare [16:03]
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VanCleef lets ddos netscape [16:07]
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ThickAsThieves http://tradeblock.com/research/new-name-new-tools-new-team-member-welcome-tradeblock/ [16:14]
ozbot New Name, New Tools, New Team Member - Welcome to TradeBlock | TradeBlock [16:14]
ThickAsThieves We decided we needed some non-news, an uglier website, and a more generic name [16:14]
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kakobrekla jurov yes that is intentional [16:16]
ThickAsThieves you used to have content, there no? [16:18]
ThickAsThieves what is the intention? [16:18]
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kakobrekla ThickAsThieves there was a breach yesterday, i decided to kill the container until uncompromisable version is up - you dont want to be running code that you dont know what it does. [16:27]
kakobrekla well it wasnt yesterday, it was noticed then. [16:27]
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kakobrekla offtopic: [16:28]
kakobrekla >Am I correct that I will be losing btc on these bets even though I am winning the bet? If I am wrong then please do not cancel and refund, however if I am correct please cancel and refund. [16:28]
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ThickAsThieves hehe [16:29]
jurov ;;bc,stats [16:29]
gribble Current Blocks: 292252 | Current Difficulty: 4.2502179198695354E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 67 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4999212861.54 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.62251 [16:29]
ThickAsThieves i hear ya kako, wordpress is a bitch [16:29]
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kakobrekla jurov address ? [16:30]
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jurov what? [16:30]
kakobrekla your bitcoin address [16:30]
kakobrekla give it to me [16:30]
jurov you really want to refund? i was joking [16:30]
kakobrekla sure why not [16:30]
ThickAsThieves uh oh [16:31]
ThickAsThieves bad precedent [16:31]
jurov if you want, just send 0.1 to true donations addy for me [16:31]
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kakobrekla fine then. [16:31]
kakobrekla thanks [16:31]
kakobrekla :> [16:31]
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ThickAsThieves "And MP if you think you are the most significant innovator in this space, get prepared to unexpectedly kneel. You will soon be reminded that this space is fundamentally driven by technologists/technology, not Romanian Wallstreet wannabees." [16:39]
jurov who said that? some of power rangers? [16:40]
nubbins` this space is fundamentally driven by coddled children [16:40]
Apocalyptic would like to know the source as well TAT [16:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0654006 = 0.327 BTC [-] {4} [16:40]
ThickAsThieves the forum of course [16:41]
ThickAsThieves AnonyMint [16:41]
jurov ThickAsThieves I found this funny: http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/#comment-98643 [16:41]
jurov in light of NEO/BEE PR [16:41]
nubbins` Get prepared to unexpectedly kneel. [16:41]
nubbins` that doesn't make any fucking sense [16:41]
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ThickAsThieves unfortunately i have no say in Neo's PR, etc [16:42]
ThickAsThieves nubbins, you are right that line is funnier than i first realized [16:42]
KRS-1 Bandwidth wasn't higher because cached content wasn't downloaded from the Web server again, only new content and new visitors was the delta. [16:45]
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nubbins` heh: http://i.imgur.com/jORElZr.jpg [16:46]
nubbins` "oh, shit, it's over there" [16:47]
kakobrekla lol [16:48]
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ThickAsThieves 'In a statement, Huawei spokesman Bill Plummer criticized the spying measures. “If it is true, the irony is that exactly what they (NSA, US) are doing to us is what they have always charged that the Chinese are doing through us,” he said. “If such espionage has been truly conducted, then it is known that the company is independent and has no unusual ties to any government and that [17:00]
ThickAsThieves knowledge should be relayed publicly to put an end to an era of mis- and disinformation.”' [17:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07099999 = 1.065 BTC [+] {2} [17:01]
nubbins` mis and dis [17:02]
VanCleef huawei lost around of business around of world because of usa's trolling [17:03]
VanCleef alot [17:03]
VanCleef i demand a public apology from obama [17:03]
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nubbins` http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.ca/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html [17:05]
ozbot Hyperbole and a Half: The Alot is Better Than You at Everything [17:05]
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ThickAsThieves i debated corrected him... [17:05]
ThickAsThieves correcting [17:06]
ThickAsThieves lol [17:06]
ThickAsThieves maybe one day alot will be a word [17:06]
nubbins` three-day storm coming; seasonal snowclearing staff laid off this past friday. down to 50 operators from 180 [17:07]
nubbins` FUN [17:07]
nubbins` ThickAsThieves: it happened with alright, so who knows [17:07]
ThickAsThieves maybe all the all combos started that way [17:08]
ThickAsThieves always [17:08]
ThickAsThieves but all is not a [17:08]
ThickAsThieves although(<--- !) all is a lot [17:09]
ThickAsThieves anyone ever search for plane tickets and notice that after 10 minutes or so, options disappear and prices go up? [17:10]
ThickAsThieves then you check a few hours later and they revert [17:10]
nubbins` that shit is heavy voodoo [17:10]
Apocalyptic ThickAsThieves, yeah [17:10]
nubbins` for extra lels, look up prices with a few different web browsers. [17:10]
Apocalyptic they're doing it on purpose, psychologic pressure and all [17:11]
nubbins` prices based on user-agent string, i've seen it [17:11]
ThickAsThieves i like how all the "competing" price sites advertise each other [17:11]
Apocalyptic prices based on user-agent string, i've seen it // heh, really ? [17:11]
nubbins` yep [17:11]
Apocalyptic like OS X browser users wil be charged more than the rest ? [17:12]
nubbins` idea being that people who use, for example, IE6/7 are fucking idiots and won't shop around [17:12]
ThickAsThieves surely Apocalyptic [17:12]
nubbins` this has been known to happen in insurance circles too [17:12]
ThickAsThieves iOS is a tax on your internet life probly [17:12]
nubbins` anyway, http://www.lastminutetravel.com/ [17:12]
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nubbins` what's the other one? [17:14]
nubbins` kayak [17:14]
nubbins` http://www.kayak.com [17:14]
VanCleef Malaysia Airlines sends condolences to families via text message......and you thought breaking up with someone via txt messaging was rude [17:14]
nubbins` ^ double-plus good [17:14]
ThickAsThieves i cant trust kayak [17:14]
nubbins` no? [17:14]
ThickAsThieves nah, Priceline pop-ups [17:14]
ThickAsThieves fuck that [17:14]
ThickAsThieves ads for competitors [17:14]
ThickAsThieves etc [17:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.0009531 = 11.1989 BTC [+] {3} [17:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.0009545 = 12.838 BTC [+] [17:16]
nubbins` ah [17:17]
nubbins` i've used them in the past with success [17:17]
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benkay o/ [17:38]
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benkay lulz aplenty: http://bdaccelerate.com/#mentors-investors [17:39]
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ThickAsThieves "One of North America’s Best Word of Mouth Marketers" [17:45]
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benkay "Internet Personality" [17:48]
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jurov Kirk will teach a maverick entrepreneur how to think like an executive [17:51]
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asciilifeform and now for something completely different: [17:54]
nubbins` a word of mouth marketer [17:55]
nubbins` my sides [17:55]
asciilifeform 'Russians! I'm speaking to all Russians, those of you who live in Ukraine and Belarus are also called Russians here in the Balkans. Look at us and remember - the very same thing will be done to you, should you break up and show weakness. The West - is a chained, rabid dog, that shall tear out your throat. Brothers, remember the fate of Yugoslavia! Do not allow the same to be done to you! Russians, why do you [17:55]
asciilifeform need Europe? It is hard to find a more self-sufficient people than yourselves. It is Europe who has need of you, but you need it not. You are so many - a whole three countries - but where is your unity! You have everything your own: much land, energy, fuel, water, science, industry, culture. When we had our Yugoslavia and we were united, we felt ourselves to be a great strength, able to shift mountains. But n [17:55]
asciilifeform ow, because of our folly, nationalism, unwillingness to hear each other - Yugoslavia is no more, and we - are now pimples on the political map of Europe, new markets for their overpriced garbage and for American democracy.' (- from the last interview given by Slobodan Milosevic, not long after he was 'accidentally' given the wrong heart meds. Translation mine.) [17:55]
nubbins` schlomo dan [17:56]
asciilifeform *not long before [17:59]
asciilifeform damn [17:59]
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jurov fine, now only if russians managed not to mess up everything they touch [18:03]
nubbins` like pussy riot [18:04]
VanCleef stay strong russia we support your movement [18:04]
nubbins` ;p [18:04]
jurov lol @everyones pussy riot fixation [18:04]
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VanCleef talk shit about putin what do you expect? [18:06]
benkay talk shit about pudenda [18:07]
jurov i'd say it was russian govt-sposored stunt to get west away from talking about everything else [18:09]
nubbins` jurov: i like it because it's not often you get to see stuffy newscasters having to say things like "pussy riot" :D [18:09]
nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/eastern-newfoundland-struck-by-wintry-blast-1.2583839 [18:09]
ozbot Eastern Newfoundland struck by wintry blast - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News [18:09]
nubbins` ^ that picture was taken a stone's throw from my house [18:09]
nubbins` very, very steep hill (60deg incline) just out of frame to the left [18:10]
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benkay nubbins`: another gorgeous (!) day down south. [18:11]
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nubbins` heh. [18:12]
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ThickAsThieves http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/24/new-derivative-guards-against-bitcoins-price-swings/?mod=MarketsMain [18:15]
ozbot New Derivative Guards Against Bitcoin’s Price Swings - MoneyBeat - WSJ [18:15]
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ThickAsThieves "Under the swap–known as a “non-deliverable” forward because the contract is settled in cash without the need to deliver bitcoin–the parties agreed to pay each other in the future a certain amount based on the values of the two currencies. " [18:16]
nubbins` i wonder how much money Mike Caldwell has made from licensing pictures of his coins [18:16]
ThickAsThieves it's the anti-mpex option! balance must be restored! [18:16]
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nubbins` i still want one of those 0.1 silvers, but they're not easy to come by [18:17]
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mike_c_d "The parties to the swap agreed to use an average price taken from multiple bitcoin exchanges" << good luck. [18:18]
ninjashogun does anyone know why recruiters (headhunters) don't share their bonus with their successfully placed recruit, as a cash payment (/incentive)? Especially where they make a large commission? [18:18]
ninjashogun It seems this would incentivize employees to use that headhunter to get to the same job - but it's not done. Any ideas why? [18:18]
benkay headhunters place the clueless. the clueless can't negotiate. [18:19]
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chetty about all those dead bankers? [18:24]
chetty http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/03/document-jpmorgan-chase-bets-10-4-billion-on-the-early-death-of-workers/ [18:24]
ozbot Document: JPMorgan Chase Bets .4 Billion on the Early Death of Workers [18:24]
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benkay nailguns. [18:26]
ninjashogun is that true though? Don't Gogle, Amazon, etc use headhunters for placing senior hires? [18:27]
novusordo i would [18:28]
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ThickAsThieves i suppose a good headhunter would also make sure you got the best salary and benefits [18:36]
ThickAsThieves but, like real estate agents, there is more incentive in qty of deals over quality [18:37]
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mike_c_d you altcoin miners are slow. 1.5 hours since last block? hash faster! [18:42]
Apocalyptic ^ [18:43]
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benkay mike_c_d: i'm fighting to get my block erupter up on a macintosh during late-night sleepy hours [18:49]
mike_c_d every 300 mhs helps. [18:50]
mike_c_d ;;atc,stats [18:50]
gribble Error: "atc,stats" is not a valid command. [18:50]
mike_c_d silly gribble [18:50]
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benkay here's some madness [18:58]
benkay https://medium.com/p/1d068ac5a205 [18:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.53035874 BTC to 4`277 shares, 59162 satoshi per share [18:59]
novusordo "Using Paypal-" nope [18:59]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [19:01]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 562.41, Best ask: 564.43, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 562.4, 24 hour volume: 8486.64251253, 24 hour low: 547.0, 24 hour high: 569.48, 24 hour vwap: 559.420947826 [19:01]
novusordo i want to believe that they're just trolling [19:03]
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novusordo sounds like a radical liberal wet dream [19:03]
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nubbins` http://imgur.com/H16RKHb [19:10]
ozbot Angry Hitler Goldfish - Imgur [19:10]
jurov this looks like over the top... but one has to accept many people are useless somehow [19:10]
jurov you either feed them or fight them, there's no other option [19:11]
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asciilifeform author of that turd 'knows' that he won't be personally sold, and it shows. (not by itself damning - authors of designs for meat processing plants don't expect to ever become chickens, either. but in this case it spoils the flavour in a rather obvious way.) [19:12]
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nubbins` i admit i stopped reading and started skimming when i read "$1 per hour" [19:14]
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steven-__ benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_webwallets-will-always-fail-fr33aids-wallet-robbed-blockchaininfo-complicit-in-2fa-compromise.html has a broken link to http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/2014/03/05_those-coins-theyll-be-happy-with-their-new-master.html [19:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.641 = 3.846 BTC [-] [19:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+] [19:28]
kakobrekla http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528432.0 [19:29]
ozbot [ANN] Kraken Passes Cryptographically Verifiable Proof of Reserves Audit [19:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+] [19:29]
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jurov two cans and a tentacle [19:34]
jurov did they manage coherent response to davout's challenge yet? [19:35]
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blackwhite hola peeps [19:36]
benkay thanks steven-__ [19:37]
novusordo it's certainly nice to see some exchanges actually trying now [19:38]
novusordo don't know if kraken's audit process will be enough, but I guess we'll see. [19:38]
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kakobrekla jurov what was the challenge? [19:42]
jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zf3di/bitstamp_and_kraken_can_you_respond_to_these/ [19:43]
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diametric it doesn't really matter if they comply with US law or not. [19:54]
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diametric the US doesn't let little things like following regulations get in the way of them taking your lunch money. [19:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00299899 = 0.2279 BTC [-] [19:59]
davout diametric: the us is irrelevant, they operate in europe [20:00]
davout jurov kakobrekla not rly, his answer boiled down to "because i say so" [20:00]
diametric davout: but they have accounts and accept USD within the US. [20:00]
diametric Well, Bitstamp still does. I think kraken discontinued support for USD if I'm not mistaken [20:01]
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davout yeah, maybe but that's not what the conversation was about [20:01]
davout bitstamp operates in europe with an european bank, the currency in which their accounts are held is anecdotal [20:01]
radan http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DDpxjvYoLEJs&ei=8nIwU_rUD8bo2AWIw4HgAw&usg=AFQjCNEWzcjjuwoixYRx-M0TpYKZ-0LmkA&sig2=GeMYRlUAagLOdqbEUHTsuQ&bvm=bv.62922401,d.b2I [20:01]
radan uh, sorry [20:01]
radan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpxjvYoLEJs [20:01]
davout they're probably held in eur too despite balances being shown in usd [20:01]
diametric hmm for some reason I swore Bitstamp held a bank account in the US but I'm probably mistaken then. [20:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.057 = 0.285 BTC [+] [20:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.063202 = 0.316 BTC [-] [20:06]
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radan is it possible to make money on bitbet [20:06]
davout diametric: they're at unicredit in slovenia [20:07]
benkay radan: if you bet correctly, sure. [20:07]
Mats_cd03 jesse from kraken is hilarious [20:07]
Apocalyptic he's oblivious rather [20:08]
Mats_cd03 its slowly dawning on him what a multinatl company has to deal with on a daily basis in order to engage in commerce [20:08]
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davout quite funny about how reddit is all over their "audit" [20:08]
Apocalyptic ^ [20:08]
radan what if you don't know which thing will happen [20:08]
radan I mean [20:08]
radan I can ask people in my industry about shit like [20:08]
Apocalyptic not sure why kako posted that link to begin with [20:08]
radan http://bitbet.us/bet/776/light-sweet-crude-oil-wti-jan-2015-over/ [20:08]
ozbot BitBet - Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014 [20:09]
radan but the rest of it doesn't mean anything to me [20:09]
davout radan: probably safer to not bet on it then [20:09]
radan how am I supposed to know "if Havelock Investments continues its operation from the bet's starting date through November 20th, 2014" [20:09]
mike_c_d so you're question is "how do i make money on shit i know nothing about"? [20:09]
mike_c_d *your [20:09]
radan yes [20:10]
mike_c_d davout told you. you don't. [20:11]
davout mike_c_d: told me what? [20:11]
Apocalyptic radan: probably safer to not bet on it then [20:11]
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davout i need to not stop at the end of the first sentence [20:12]
Mats_cd03 what a stupid question [20:13]
radan well [20:13]
radan people have done it before [20:13]
Mats_cd03 https://soundcloud.com/iknowbitfunk/1nce-again-bit-funk-remix [20:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00095245 = 8.1911 BTC [+] {2} [20:20]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 69 @ 0.00557909 = 0.385 BTC [+] {3} [20:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0056328 = 0.1971 BTC [+] [20:24]
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MykelSIlver http://bitcoin-assets.com/ : 503 Service Unavailable .... at this moment [20:25]
mike_c_d known issue. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2014#578447 [20:26]
MykelSIlver thx okay [20:26]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0164003 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {2} [20:28]
MykelSIlver hope http://bitbet.us/ is safe [20:29]
mike_c yes, it was a wordpress plugin that opened a small hole. [20:29]
MykelSIlver okay [20:30]
mike_c hopefully bitbet is not running on wordpress :) [20:30]
Apocalyptic maybe bitbet is based on wordpress too [20:30]
MykelSIlver oops.. you are not sure of that ? [20:30]
Apocalyptic damn mike_c [20:30]
mike_c MykelSIlver: i'm not involved with BB. but i highly doubt it. [20:30]
MykelSIlver lets hope for the best (bets) [20:31]
mike_c kakobrekla can confirm [20:31]
MykelSIlver kk [20:31]
kakobrekla it is not :) [20:31]
MykelSIlver alright. now i can sleep again. [20:31]
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mike_c Apocalyptic: gotta be quick with the quips around here [20:32]
Apocalyptic heh I figured that much [20:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0631858 = 0.6319 BTC [-] {5} [20:34]
kakobrekla bitcoin-assets will have a designated admin/maintainer from now on [20:35]
kakobrekla the wp part, to be specific. [20:36]
jurov and a designated secure server [20:39]
jurov btw i'm curious, what there needs CMS? [20:40]
kakobrekla i was actually contemplating just copy pasting the output of current wp in a html file [20:40]
kakobrekla and thats that [20:40]
kakobrekla but the girl is eager. :) [20:41]
benkay tell her to come hang out here too [20:41]
benkay whole family! [20:41]
kakobrekla o she is here [20:41]
benkay hi girl [20:41]
jurov ;;bc,stats [20:41]
gribble Current Blocks: 292288 | Current Difficulty: 4.2502179198695354E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 31 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 46 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5019360553.23 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.09655 [20:41]
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lampelina hi benkay [20:42]
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benkay o/ lampelina [20:43]
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benkay thx for handling b-a.com [20:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 458 @ 0.00610115 = 2.7943 BTC [-] {9} [20:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00602971 = 0.5547 BTC [-] {3} [20:45]
benkay today's adventures in unfucking someone else's crypto [20:49]
benkay constant secret, constant iv, vary salt -> different encrypted strings [20:50]
benkay sounds great [20:50]
benkay constant secret, constant iv, different salts of the same length -> valid decryption [20:50]
benkay WTF [20:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.05779541 = 3.1787 BTC [+] {5} [20:51]
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benkay vary salt *length on encryption cycle [20:53]
benkay protip: don't delegate crypto to outsourced ios developers across the ocean. [20:53]
mike_c my frustration today: it doesn't matter that python is slow as dirt, until it does. [20:54]
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Mats_cd03 what are you doing [21:10]
Mats_cd03 with python [21:10]
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mike_c well, the slow part (i think) is a have a big 2-dimensional array that i'm doing a lot of lookups into [21:12]
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Mats_cd03 pypy would solve your problem [21:14]
Mats_cd03 python is doing a lot of background noise between iterations [21:14]
mike_c indeed it would.. i'm always a little worried about incompatabilities [21:15]
Mats_cd03 a jit would fix that [21:15]
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Apocalyptic pypy would solve your problem // depends [21:15]
Apocalyptic but if you think you can get close to a native C prog speed you're mistaken [21:15]
Mats_cd03 for your problem ctypes might be easier if you are worried about compatibility [21:15]
mike_c i just hate switching to c modules because you have to cross-compile. pita. [21:16]
Mats_cd03 then create a generator so you can fill element by element? [21:16]
mike_c i'll take another look at pypy, that's a good idea. i haven't poked around at it in a while. [21:17]
mike_c thx [21:17]
Mats_cd03 gl [21:18]
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asciilifeform benkay: malware? [21:20]
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mike_c sheesh. 21 seconds on cpython, 3.3 secs on pypy [21:25]
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blackwhite so digital voting. Government send me a "coin" for voting. I send it back to vote. Everyone can see it, cheating much less possible? Thoughts? [21:27]
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thestringpuller blackwhite: mircea_popescu talks about that on trilema [21:31]
blackwhite trilema? [21:31]
blackwhite got it [21:32]
blackwhite his website [21:32]
blackwhite thnx [21:32]
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thestringpuller i can't find the specific article but do a bit of googling and you'll find it [21:33]
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thestringpuller blackwhite: if you find it PM me the link [21:35]
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blackwhite http://trilema.com/ [21:35]
ozbot Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [21:35]
blackwhite oh you mean the article :) [21:35]
blackwhite hehe [21:35]
blackwhite sorry [21:35]
benkay yup that's trilema [21:35]
thestringpuller lol [21:35]
thestringpuller the article I can't find it [21:35]
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punkman blackwhite: here's the article http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/ [21:35]
blackwhite haha sorry [21:36]
blackwhite thanks punkman [21:36]
thestringpuller thx punkman [21:36]
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punkman or this, http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-as-replacement-for-the-electoral-system/ [21:38]
asciilifeform ;;google cryptographic voting [21:38]
gribble End-to-end auditable voting systems - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Cryptography - Electronic Voting - Stanford Crypto Group: ; Cryptographic Voting Protocols: A Systems Perspective - Usenix: (1 more message) [21:38]
asciilifeform not the least bit young field. [21:39]
punkman asciilifeform: indeed [21:39]
benkay asciilifeform: only in the sense that iOS software is all malware. [21:39]
thestringpuller there we go punkman that's the one [21:40]
punkman thestringpuller: either way not what blackwhite was hoping for [21:40]
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thestringpuller the latter is [21:43]
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only ;;msg nickserv info only [22:12]
gribble Error: "msg" is not a valid command. [22:12]
only nvm, sorry [22:12]
blackwhite the latter actually is interesting and kind of what I was thinking [22:13]
blackwhite the main thing is how do you keep the actual vote secret, where as you want the actual vote event public [22:14]
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blackwhite how many of you are using some sort of dashboard tool to follow bit coins? And is there room for someone making a better dashboard dealing perhaps not only with bitcoin but also other currencies? [22:15]
benkay http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/04/california-police-body-cameras-cuts-violence-complaints-rialto [22:16]
ozbot California police use of body cameras cuts violence and complaints | World news | The Guardian [22:16]
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benkay blackwhite: blockr.io's kinda the standard right now [22:19]
benkay http://blockr.io [22:19]
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blackwhite benkay thanks [22:21]
benkay "state of the art" [22:21]
blackwhite you think there would be room for competition? I mean after all the field is still very new [22:22]
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blackwhite design is my speciality but I do enough to code this stuff too [22:23]
benkay you can always put up another website. the question i think you'll want to ask is if it's worth your time. [22:25]
mike_c there is a lot of competition already if you are talking about stuff like https://bitcoinwisdom.com/ [22:25]
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thestringpuller blackwhite: do you have a portfolio? [22:36]
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radan why isn't bitcoin run like a democracy [22:37]
blackwhite thestringpuller yeah [22:39]
blackwhite it's old though [22:39]
blackwhite but here is a few things [22:39]
blackwhite http://000fff.org/uploads/Nasdaq_Design_Final_new.png [22:40]
blackwhite http://grab.by/vptq [22:40]
ozbot TinyGrab - Simple. Screenshot. Sharing. [22:40]
mike_c don't you know graphs are supposed to go up and to the right!? [22:41]
benkay backoff thestringpuller blackwhite's mien [22:41]
benkay mine* [22:41]
blackwhite :) [22:41]
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thestringpuller lololol [22:43]
thestringpuller POACHERS [22:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0589 = 0.1178 BTC [+] [22:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0589 = 0.1178 BTC [+] [22:56]
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benkay !l m s.mpoe [22:56]
assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0009485 BTC [-] [22:56]
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blackwhite https://derivabit.com/ [23:33]
ozbot Derivabit | Coinflip, Inc. [23:33]
Apocalyptic https://derivabit.com/about [23:35]
ozbot Derivabit | Coinflip, Inc. [23:35]
Apocalyptic looks like they're a bunch of winners [23:35]
deadweasel mircea_popescu: "This then resolves the problem statistically, which is to say on average and generally speaking, people are unlikely to engage in morally hazardous behaviour. It also resolves the problem quite cheaply, as it requires absolutely no human intervention, the entire thing works quite mechanically." [23:36]
deadweasel i love these two lines from http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-as-replacement-for-the-electoral-system/ [23:36]
deadweasel that line is RE: 'betting late on bitbets no refund bitches' [23:37]
deadweasel it's this cheap way to solve currently expensive problems. entire industries could be minimized or abandoned altogether (finance for one [23:38]
deadweasel this nigga needs another bitcoin [23:39]
deadweasel ;;lasers [23:39]
gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* [23:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00095096 = 3.8989 BTC [+] {2} [23:44]
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blackwhite SaxoBank used to my one of my clients [23:48]
blackwhite http://www.coindesk.com/danish-investment-bank-owner-bitcoin-exploration/ [23:48]
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BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/03/new-system-tracks-and-zaps-flies-with-lasers-to-change-behaviors/ [23:53]
ozbot New system tracks and zaps flies with lasers to change behaviors | Ars Technica [23:53]
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peterl anybody here from bitbet? [23:54]
mike_c lurking around, yeah. you can just ask if you have a question. [23:55]
peterl did the terms for calculating winnings change recently? I seem to remember it used to weigh the whole amount bet, now you get what you put in back plus your weight of the losing side? [23:58]
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ThickAsThieves maybe give a specific example [23:59]
jurov afaik nothing changed [23:59]
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