Forum logs for 23 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
benkay talking about this? [00:00]
benkay;range=max [00:00]
ozbot S&P 100 INDEX Index Chart - Yahoo Finance [00:00]
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Namworld Damn, I decoded what was pasted and i got a large image with just a few pixel high line of actual picture. [00:00]
mircea_popescu benkay [00:01]
mircea_popescu sorry for shortner [00:01]
mircea_popescu the image comes straighyt from there, who knew these guys use mpex tech o.O [00:01]
mircea_popescu i thought i was the only cool one. [00:02]
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mircea_popescu anyway, simply put anything past 1994 is bs. [00:03]
mircea_popescu (the 25 year graph makes it quite plain) [00:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1700 @ 0.00012401 = 0.2108 BTC [-] [00:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 34 @ 0.0730414 = 2.4834 BTC [-] {4} [00:13]
benkay 2001-2003 [00:14]
benkay good times [00:14]
benkay i start to understand the furor over QE ca 2007 [00:15]
mircea_popescu should have let the bullshit deflate then [00:16]
benkay "but we're already printing money every week! what else are we to do?" [00:16]
benkay "i have a pwan! pwint MOAR!" [00:16]
mircea_popescu anywya, if anyone wants to sell me ^OEX puts... [00:17]
benkay what timeframe? just out of curiousity. [00:17]
mircea_popescu five years, say. [00:17]
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benkay i've been looking for fb puts on the same scale. [00:19]
mircea_popescu i'd take two years there [00:19]
* mircea_popescu wistfully recalls his rimm puts. o glory. [00:19]
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mircea_popescu i can't sell enough us, as far as i'm concerned. [00:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00094859 = 7.2093 BTC [+] {2} [00:22]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, the berkshire bitbet is something else [00:22]
benkay [00:22]
ozbot Facebook, Inc. (FB) Option Chain - Stock Puts & Calls - [00:22]
mircea_popescu 98 no bets for a 34.98 btc pool. 14 yes bets for a 1007.6 pool [00:23]
mircea_popescu that's 0.35 avg vs 71.95 avg [00:23]
mircea_popescu only 200x [00:23]
benkay but buffet, mannnnnn [00:23]
mircea_popescu even if we exclude my bet, it's still .54 [00:23]
benkay smart money is big money. [00:24]
mircea_popescu and vice versa. [00:24]
mircea_popescu i'll end up making 3% over a year and people will be o noes, such low return [00:24]
benkay srs? in btc? [00:26]
benkay i was under the impression that 2% was an outrageous return in btc. [00:26]
mircea_popescu you don't read the forum much i take it. [00:27]
benkay i should fix that. [00:27]
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mircea_popescu maybe not [00:27]
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taub what exchange is lake [00:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.0055591 = 0.2001 BTC [+] [01:01]
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hdbuck shit im being prosecuted. any lawyers? ^^ [01:04]
mircea_popescu you're being prosecuted for karpeles being jewish ? [01:05]
hdbuck i really cant tell so far [01:06]
hdbuck maybee [01:06]
hdbuck ?! [01:06]
mircea_popescu this crap is in service discussion ?! [01:07]
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hdbuck lol yeah, i just digged up MK essays and got caught between fires [01:09]
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hdbuck mk's bullish essays : [01:10]
mircea_popescu what or who is mk [01:10]
hdbuck Mark Karpeles [01:11]
hdbuck the scammer [01:11]
mircea_popescu a a [01:12]
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kakobrekla yeah, i better stop using initials for my email signature [01:15]
mircea_popescu sucks huh. [01:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11522 @ 0.00094589 = 10.8985 BTC [-] [01:16]
kakobrekla yeah well you are not too far from it [01:16]
kakobrekla mp, mk, the keys are right next to each other [01:17]
mircea_popescu im not too worried about it [01:17]
kakobrekla i know. [01:18]
mircea_popescu "The sooner this community gets rid of these stains/schemes currently tainting the innovative and revolutionary world of bitcoin which they are piggybacking, the sooner we will make progress." [01:19]
mircea_popescu this preceded by "Your detachment from reality..." [01:19]
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cazalla clearly karpeles is JIDF [01:27]
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mircea_popescu are these the idiots who whine at facebook about whether x y z is a country ? [01:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00608565 = 0.353 BTC [+] {5} [01:29]
jborkl What is JIDF? [01:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00619576 = 0.2602 BTC [+] {3} [01:30]
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cazalla Jewish Internet Defense Force [01:30]
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mircea_popescu [01:33]
ozbot Check Fund Manager Wall of Shame [01:34]
cazalla I would probably get along great with radan lol [01:34]
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hdbuck what?! they havent had add Karpeles to that list yet? ^^ [01:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00094323 = 2.2638 BTC [-] [01:36]
mircea_popescu wait what ? [01:36]
mircea_popescu you're aware that there's this bitcoin forum that i work on every day. and on this forum, there are sub-forums. and one of these is off-topic. [01:36]
mircea_popescu ya [01:36]
mircea_popescu there's a thread there for movie recommendations. forum people. recommending movies to each other. can you imagine the horror? cause it's worse than you imagine. [01:36]
mircea_popescu poor girl. [01:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61519 BTC [-] [01:39]
hdbuck mircea_popescu, could you please enlighten me regarding what is actually going to happen in bitcoinland? i mean, all that junk going on with the BTCFoundation, the heists, the banks, the whole damn world? what to expect if not some shitstorm lies and persecutions? [01:40]
mircea_popescu well who knows the future eh ? [01:40]
hdbuck i figured you had a pretty good idea tho cuz i'm clueless :) [01:41]
mircea_popescu who knows, maybe the sec finally decides to stop dicking around and we get some scams actually blown open properly, [01:41]
mircea_popescu rather than this current "pick bugs off the floor put them, in the bucket whence they run back out" thing we've been doing for the past three years [01:41]
mircea_popescu it's starting to drive the girl nuts, for one. [01:42]
mircea_popescu my cock really doesn't taste as bad as people tell themselves. [01:42]
hdbuck i saw your first post on the btcforum was: "I'm pretty convinced we will see 1mn$ / BTC at some future point" havent changed your mind so far? ^^ [01:42]
mircea_popescu nope. [01:43]
mircea_popescu what post is this ? [01:43]
hdbuck;u=37923;sa=showPosts [01:43]
ozbot Latest posts of: Mircea Popescu [01:43]
hdbuck first one [01:43]
mircea_popescu o.O [01:43]
hdbuck nice introduction ^^ [01:43]
mircea_popescu i dunno, must be some meanwhile forgotten joke ? [01:44]
mircea_popescu that aside, bitcoin will outlive the dollar, in which sense any arbitrary price point will be reached eventually. [01:45]
hdbuck a joke taht had kept you busy for the last couple of years [01:45]
hdbuck anyho, still reading logs. im not going to bother any longer. keeping up the faith :) [01:46]
mircea_popescu [01:46]
mircea_popescu have a tit. [01:46]
diametric lots of new people stopping by lately i see [01:47]
cazalla I'm fairly new and my being here, I would expect more soon diametric [01:50]
mircea_popescu curious which is the first hip hop artist to make it here. [01:50]
mircea_popescu they all pretend like they're businessmen, it's the hip thing to claim [01:51]
cazalla given it takes a year to go through the /r/bitcoin and bitcointalk wringer, i am thinking most end up here after some time and not straight off thet bat [01:51]
mircea_popescu i sure hope so. [01:51]
diametric cazalla: why is that? [01:51]
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cazalla diametric: learning curve i would think [01:52]
diametric there is a surprisingly amount of people that really dislike mircea_popescu. I've encountered a few that proclaim he's a scammer, but when questioned on what scam specifically they fail to give details. [01:53]
diametric and by association they've linked this channel to scammers [01:53]
cazalla I'm your average person, can't keep up with some of the conversation here, need to go and google words for definitions and so forth but I'm here (got started in Bitcoin nov 2012) so I would expect others who are average to start turning up as I have [01:53]
mircea_popescu the convenient explanation being that they're exposed scammers/shills with a bone for pr. [01:53]
CheckDavid cazalla: normal people have to Google [01:54]
mircea_popescu the more likely explanation is probably that they're not actually as smart as they see themsekves. [01:54]
CheckDavid But it you actually Google [01:54]
CheckDavid You are away being them :) [01:54]
CheckDavid *way beyond [01:55]
cazalla diametric: I think the dislike might come from feeling inferior due to the conversations here [01:55]
cazalla If you put ones ego aside for a moment, there is a lot you can learn, at least that has been my experience to date [01:55]
diametric possibly, it also reminds me of when someone wins at something, people immediately assume they cheated somehow because they themselves didn't win. [01:56]
mircea_popescu crab pot phenomena [01:56]
CheckDavid mircea_popescu sucks [01:56]
CheckDavid But I love him [01:56]
CheckDavid He is wise [01:56]
mircea_popescu omg i don't suck how can you say that!1 [01:57]
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mircea_popescu lol [01:58]
hdbuck im really trying to grasp what happened with the massive PUT orders in early feb. MP's feb report mentioned his ability to stand for the sake of bitcoin, and being well connected, etc... But who was on the other side? Why such orders in bulk at this given period? :/ [01:58]
diametric asciilifeform: found a device with a ridiculous ppi [01:59]
asciilifeform diametric: ? [01:59]
asciilifeform (gonna guess: a head-mounted lcd) [01:59]
diametric asciilifeform: [02:00]
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diametric asciilifeform: 5.5in screen at 1440x2560. [02:00]
mircea_popescu hdbuck well don't forget to publish if you figure out anything. [02:00]
asciilifeform now we need 24 in of that. [02:00]
mircea_popescu diametric that has got to be a scam. [02:00]
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mircea_popescu 500dpi srsly ? [02:00]
diametric mircea_popescu: oppo's made several phones already [02:01]
asciilifeform this is only 2x the density of the 'nexus 10' widget i read djvus with. [02:01]
mircea_popescu what tech is that ? [02:01]
diametric mircea_popescu: oppo has the only phone on the market currently running cyanogen that's been certified by google as well [02:01]
mircea_popescu heh and the chinese take the lead. [02:02]
mircea_popescu so how are they made, just packed tighter ? [02:02]
mircea_popescu all i see is a n1 at 2k/1k [02:03]
asciilifeform transistors have packed to far greater densities, far earlier [02:03]
asciilifeform the 'hard part' of this kind of display is - driving it [02:03]
mircea_popescu and that's a ~7inch tablety thing [02:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform many problems, really. [02:03]
asciilifeform kopin corp. had microdisplays with ~1600x1200 in fingernail sized element, for ages [02:05]
asciilifeform just not at 'human' prices. [02:05]
mircea_popescu well sure [02:05]
asciilifeform (ok not quite. but close - [02:06]
asciilifeform there were, if i recall, others. [02:06]
asciilifeform (i once took a great interest in the subject of head-mounted displays) [02:06]
diametric asciilifeform: do you still actively play go? [02:13]
asciilifeform as a matter of fact i do. [02:13]
diametric asciilifeform: [02:13]
diametric they just started accepting bitcoin [02:13]
asciilifeform haha neat [02:13]
diametric with a 15% discount this weekend apparently. [02:14]
kakobrekla i havent played in years : [02:16]
mircea_popescu great game to play with teh girlz. [02:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1168 @ 0.00083535 = 0.9757 BTC [-] {7} [02:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.00546 = 1.092 BTC [-] [02:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 919 @ 0.00047516 = 0.4367 BTC [-] {4} [02:20]
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asciilifeform [02:23]
diametric asciilifeform: [02:27]
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diametric asciilifeform: so if you post on reddit with +/u/CompileBot language

[ code ], it will run that code and post it as a reply.

decimation everyone knows that such blocks of wood are trival to obtain - simply punch a tree ala minecraft [02:28]
asciilifeform lol [02:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00319977 = 0.16 BTC [+] {3} [02:29]
asciilifeform i actually know someone who owns a board like that. [02:29]
asciilifeform my brother. he didn't pay 100k though [02:29]
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asciilifeform more like 1k. i think it was old (100+ yrs.) and refinished at least once, after ww2 if i recall. [02:29]
decimation well, presumably one could make it out of oak or pine for much less $$ [02:30]
asciilifeform yes. there's some of those in the linked shop [02:30]
decimation the trick is drying and finishing [02:30]
asciilifeform it's surprisingly hard to find a breed of wood that comes in the requisite monolithic piece and never - ever - warps. [02:30]
decimation there is much art to drying wood without warping [02:31]
asciilifeform (the stones, traditionally, are glass and very slippery. so surface gotta be level.) [02:31]
asciilifeform (nitpick - traditional stones aren't glass - seashell and slate.) [02:31]
asciilifeform all i personally have is a very thoroughly weathered (from abuse as a student) magnetic board. [02:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00094552 = 13.5209 BTC [+] {2} [02:33]
mircea_popescu actually all the good boards i've seen are stone [02:34]
mircea_popescu black/white marble on rosy granite works especially well [02:35]
asciilifeform i imagine it would. in japan they like the 'click' of the wood though. [02:35]
mircea_popescu yeah well, what do they know. [02:36]
asciilifeform 1 of these days i too will purchase an enormous stone plinth. always wanted one, holography table [02:37]
decimation for an optics bench? [02:37]
asciilifeform right [02:37]
decimation how to design an observatory: [02:38]
decimation one probably need not be that hardcore for an optics bench [02:39]
decimation but it would be helpful [02:39]
asciilifeform holography specifically [02:39]
asciilifeform needs a heavy table [02:39]
asciilifeform long exposure times, little tolerance for vibration. [02:39]
decimation dump a concrete block in the ground, build a building around it, isolated with air gap [02:40]
asciilifeform that's actually pretty close to the traditional recipe: [02:40]
asciilifeform stack of old tires, pour 'quickcrete'. [02:40]
asciilifeform takes up a good bit of space though. [02:41]
asciilifeform (and i'd probably fall through my floor...) [02:41]
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decimation yeah you probably want to build it in a basement [02:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.0031 = 0.1054 BTC [-] {2} [02:43]
asciilifeform yeah that's where it ought to go. at any rate, probably not happening in a 30m^2 flat. [02:44]
asciilifeform my mind always boggles when i visit somebody's gigantic house and there's no heavy, oily strange in the basement [02:45]
asciilifeform all that space, wasted [02:45]
decimation even worse; finished with mold-gathering carpet [02:45]
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mircea_popescu my mind boggles when i visit someone and they have shit like a pool table in the basement [02:55]
mircea_popescu "o ya, you're really living it large dude. the whole point of a pool table is to keep it in a cellar." [02:56]
dub its to get away from the woman [02:56]
Diablo-D3 but I thought the point of a pool table was to throw a woman on it and fuck her [02:56]
dub no, tried getting jizz out of felt before? [02:57]
mircea_popescu you two are speaking of different women. [02:57]
mircea_popescu dub forget that part, that's easy. ever tried to talk to the beast after she's been rubbed raw on marble for half hour ? [02:57]
dub can only imagine, I find carpet bad enough [02:58]
decimation <> moldbug's solution: formalism [02:59]
decimation The goal of formalism is to avoid this unpleasant little detour. Formalism says: let's figure out exactly who has what, now, and give them a little fancy certificate. Let's not get into who should have what. Because, like it or not, this is simply a recipe for more violence. It is very hard to come up with a rule that explains why the Palestinians should get Haifa back, and doesn't explain why the Welsh should get London back [03:00]
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dub asciilifeform: noob question im having trouble getting a straight answer, have 20a dc supply that I want to drive (carefully) off 10a of AC mains, bad idea? [03:06]
asciilifeform 20a of what? [03:07]
decimation what voltage is your DC supply? [03:07]
dub 12v (13.something) [03:07]
decimation should be fine, don't put too much other stuff on the AC circuit [03:07]
dub ac is 230 if it matters [03:07]
decimation oh [03:07]
decimation that should be like 1 amp of ac [03:08]
decimation why do you need 10? [03:08]
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dub I only have 10 of AC, a small generator [03:08]
decimation if it's putting out 10 amps at 230 volts you are fine [03:09]
kakobrekla 2300w vs 240w [03:09]
kakobrekla +- [03:09]
decimation is it a linear supply or switching supply? [03:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00094821 = 19.4383 BTC [+] {4} [03:10]
mircea_popescu diametric "here's how i try to inject myself in stuff that has nothing to do with me over 5k words. call me michael moore" [03:10]
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decimation if it is a switching supply and your generator puts out crap AC, you might ruin the dc supply [03:11]
mircea_popescu in any event, violence is not a "problem". it's required, like breathing. [03:11]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was it you who had a piece about 'temperature' ? [03:12]
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asciilifeform (as in simulated annealing) [03:12]
mircea_popescu perhaps not ? [03:12]
asciilifeform but re: society and 'hormesis' of theft [03:12]
asciilifeform ;;ud hormesis [03:13]
gribble | trending. white dragon breath · surfboard · thot · tittybong · neknominate · lumpatious · poopsterbate · fap · bae · thought blocked. categories. gaming · sports ... [03:13]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: hormesis [03:13]
asciilifeform bah [03:13]
decimation as in a little radiation is good for you? [03:13]
mircea_popescu well this is all too vague to pinpoint. [03:13]
mircea_popescu decimation no, as in a little fucking and public speaking is required for adults. [03:13]
mircea_popescu even if you don't make either your life calling. [03:14]
asciilifeform yeah in this particular case, this. [03:14]
asciilifeform a common criticism of mr moldy (whose every published word, to my shame, i read) is that his entire philosophy seems to reduce to 'the crown exists to guard my suburban house against evil ape men' [03:15]
asciilifeform to be fair, 'truth in advertising' - 'mencius' [03:15]
decimation which would be awesome for him, but it's not going to happen [03:15]
mircea_popescu i dunno why this fear of other people seriously. [03:16]
mircea_popescu there's this generation of nuts that fears its own shadow. cops ? hoprrible. the sec ? omaigawd. black kids ? HALP HALP [03:16]
mircea_popescu i wonder how they manage to brush teeth. [03:16]
asciilifeform in their guarded enclaves? [03:16]
mircea_popescu what if the tootbrush gives them an evil look one day ? [03:16]
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mircea_popescu i mean, even in the middle of an armed rebellion/invasion your chances to be plugged are what, 1% ? [03:17]
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decimation it does seem that paranoia is the mood of our age [03:17]
mircea_popescu syria casualties are 100k over 22mn. [03:18]
mircea_popescu that fails to be a 1% [03:18]
mircea_popescu meanwhile they play dice for a 2% house edge. that's okay. [03:18]
asciilifeform this is a psychiatric, not political, phenomenon. [03:18]
mircea_popescu planes are dangerous, see ? cars are fine. [03:18]
mircea_popescu they should put wheels on the fucking airplane seats. [03:19]
mircea_popescu kids would love them [03:19]
decimation somehow the risk aversion circuit has gone haywire? [03:19]
mircea_popescu decimation guess why ? [03:19]
mircea_popescu kid regularly beaten is not affraid of the world. [03:19]
mircea_popescu kid that's never been beaten ? nuts. [03:19]
asciilifeform ;;google axenic mouse [03:19]
gribble Axenic mice model.: ; Axenic service - Infrafrontier: ; EMMA axenic (germ-free) service - Infrafrontier: [03:19]
mircea_popescu the romans had the following problem to sexual fixations in pubers : exposure. [03:20]
mircea_popescu apparently you can't get a fetish going if you get to see the actual object, in all its nude glory. [03:20]
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mircea_popescu experience, direct experience, remains the best cure for mental dysfunction. [03:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform pretty much [03:21]
decimation the parents I know who pratice physical punishment have the most well-adjusted children [03:21]
mircea_popescu it doesn't even have to be all that present, but human beings need experiences, and a balanced diet thereof. [03:21]
mircea_popescu if you've never been punched in the face your reptillian brain builds this thing into an endless colossus. if you have, whatever. maybe you lose a tooth, your lip gets swollen. so what of it ? [03:22]
mircea_popescu this works across the board, currently the biggest deterrent to nuclear detonation isn't a bunch of fucktarded chicks that drink tea and blather like sheep. it's simply the desire on all parties that invested billions in these things to avoid proving to the general public that... big fucking deal. [03:23]
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mircea_popescu as long as nobody uses them it's "those incredibly, exceedingly, unrepresentably powerful weapons". after a dozen or so pop it's like... those very expensive, inaccurate things. [03:23]
decimation indeed, nuclear bombs aren't nearly as dangerous as people like to believe [03:23]
mircea_popescu and as the countries spending billions on them like the people to continue to believe. [03:24]
decimation [03:24]
ozbot Nuclear Bomb Effects Computer [03:24]
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joecool decimation: but napalm is cheap [03:24]
mircea_popescu joecool napalm is mostly oil. thats cheap now ? [03:25]
decimation carpet bombing with napalm would probably be far worse for the average citizen than a nuke going off [03:25]
joecool mircea_popescu: compared to nuclear weapons? sure [03:25]
mircea_popescu joecool that can't be right, mostly because nuclear power is economical as compared to burning oil. [03:25]
mircea_popescu the problem is surface, for both of you. [03:26]
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asciilifeform the fuel in a 'fire job' (as curtis lemay called it) is the kindling you blast the buildings into during the prelude [03:26]
asciilifeform not the napalm per se [03:27]
mircea_popescu it's all described in this ancient trilema article [03:27]
mircea_popescu but fundamentally : every mile you walk adds more than a square mile to the area you've covered. [03:27]
mircea_popescu like the problem of finding that plane : it only flew what, 500 miles ? [03:28]
mircea_popescu well that's 250`000 square miles to look over. [03:28]
decimation yeah, you can't carpet-nuke that kind of area [03:28]
mircea_popescu and this if you roughly know the direction. if you don't.... [03:28]
asciilifeform incidentally, inverse-square effect is why icbms switched to 'mirv' (multiple warhead) systems instead of one fat bomb. [03:28]
mircea_popescu ^ [03:28]
mircea_popescu and even that, it's what... a hack. [03:28]
mircea_popescu does little really [03:29]
decimation this article has a pretty good map [03:29]
asciilifeform well, you can mostly level a megapolis, if you have reasonably-accurate targeting [03:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform let's play with math. latent heat for water is what, 12k, +4k per degree. [03:30]
mircea_popescu so if you want to boil up afghanistan, you're looking at [03:30]
asciilifeform why boil the sea. so wasteful. let's do 'great lakes.' [03:30]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 500000 * 10**6 * 50 * (80 *4000 + 12000) [03:31]
gribble 8300000000000000000 [03:31]
mircea_popescu that's a quantity of joules. [03:31]
decimation [03:31]
asciilifeform (incidentally, vladimir chelomei suggested exactly this.) [03:31]
asciilifeform decimation: that's a famous picture. but - it's a long exposure. [03:31]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 8300000000000000000 / (6.1178632 * 10 ** 9) [03:31]
gribble 1356682836.58 [03:31]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1356682836.58 * 100 / 500 [03:32]
gribble 271336567.316 [03:32]
decimation (8 300 000 000 000 000 000 joules) / (1 ton of tnt) =1.98374761 × 109 [03:32]
mircea_popescu cost 271mn btc to burn up afghanistan. [03:32]
asciilifeform lol [03:32]
mircea_popescu totally worth it right ? [03:32]
asciilifeform i also recall that there was a rather serious problem with 'warhead fratricide' [03:33]
decimation that's 200 10 megaton nukes [03:33]
asciilifeform neutrons from neighbouring blasts would prematurely pop the fissile initiator of a given piece [03:33]
mircea_popescu yeah that's a problem. [03:33]
asciilifeform if i recall, this was solved with some clever finesse (entirely absent in english language literature, afaik) with neutron tubes: [03:34]
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mircea_popescu and the thing with megalopolis-oi. cairo yes, cause it's shit. but most modern people live spaced out. [03:34]
mircea_popescu europe is pretty much one single urban area by now [03:34]
asciilifeform primary was shaped in such a way that it needed 1) the explosive compression and, 2) a certain blast from neutron generator tube - to pop - and (2) would vary in strength based on background [03:35]
decimation well, the other point is that if the goal of your war is to capture the enemy's resources, destroying those brains in the cities is the way to defeat your own purpose [03:35]
mircea_popescu seems more practical to just start a facebook campaign [03:36]
decimation indeed. [03:36]
mircea_popescu which brings us exactly to why bitcoin is so important. [03:37]
asciilifeform the folks who originally built these things weren't hoping to conquer anything. they were satisfied with the idea of: glass parking lots, free of untermenschen. [03:37]
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decimation in retrospect, that seems like a big joke [03:41]
mircea_popescu that's the chief value of retrospect [03:42]
mircea_popescu extracts the jokes [03:43]
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decimation like in what respect would the us free of cities be valuable? [03:43]
decimation are you going to mine some coal and grow corn? [03:43]
decimation what's the point? they will do that today in exchange for little green peices of fabric [03:43]
asciilifeform decimation: in what sense is the corpse of the fellow you plug in a duel valuable? [03:43]
asciilifeform you - him, so he couldn't you. [03:43]
decimation a trophy I guess [03:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform a duel eh ? [03:45]
nubbins` phew [03:45]
nubbins` long day [03:45]
mircea_popescu the ukrainians called a general mobilisation, nobody showed. [03:45]
mircea_popescu what duel ? [03:45]
decimation in a duel, you can be certain about the death of the enemy; not so much against the nuclear triad [03:45]
mircea_popescu if the russians invade alaska the us citizenry would flock there mostly to tweet about it [03:45]
decimation that logic more than anything explains the lack of nuclear exchange, in my opinion [03:45]
decimation there would be concern about the rights of the eskimos [03:46]
asciilifeform somebody should print cloth crib sheets, like the maps given to british officers during the war, but for americans. contents: 'don't shoot - i know secrets!' in 30 languages. [03:46]
mircea_popescu "don't shoot or i'll unfollow you" [03:47]
asciilifeform lol [03:47]
nubbins` heh. [03:47]
joecool +1 [03:47]
mircea_popescu "i like your nonshooting of myself truly" [03:47]
mircea_popescu "dead men wash no dishes" / "dead women suck no cock" [03:47]
mircea_popescu there's plenty. [03:47]
asciilifeform oldie but goodie. orlov on twittards / silicon valley / etc. - [03:48]
asciilifeform [03:48]
ozbot ClubOrlov: Dead Souls [03:48]
mircea_popescu and with that i'll bid you all a very good nuclear summer! [03:49]
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mircea_popescu MisterE except the only exchange owner we know is me, and so i guess you can use trilema for that purpose. [13:05]
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mircea_popescu MisterE: LTC on Huobi dump destroyed a lot of n00bs who could have been milked for years instead of in one big dump but nobody thinks long-term << no, you don't understand. destroying scams IS thinking long term. [13:06]
mircea_popescu this isn't supposed to be a "milking noobs for years" thing, and it's not supposed to be either accessible to or productive for the sort of car salesman that thinks himself a financier now. [13:07]
mircea_popescu so in general expect pump and dumps to be punctured randomly and outside of the originator's control going forward, so as to hurt the originator and his friends. [13:07]
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chetty Russia has amassed enough forces on Ukraine’s border to reach the dispute region of Transnistria, NATO’s top military commander told a conference in Brussels on Sunday, Reuters reported. [13:23]
mircea_popescu or, for that matter, paris. [13:24]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell heysteve2 "I believe every caller on talk radio, just like I believe every story on zh." << there you go. it's like playboy forum by now. [13:30]
gribble The operation succeeded. [13:30]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2487 @ 0.00013 = 0.3233 BTC [-] {4} [13:33]
Neil Geez the last 60 blocks have been in half-time [13:33]
mircea_popescu ;;estimate [13:34]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 4939815404.41 based on data since last change | 5576146819.12 based on data for last three days [13:34]
mircea_popescu whoa. [13:34]
Neil .d [13:34]
ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 278 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.1945% in 1d 14h 41m 28s [13:34]
mircea_popescu bitcoin network, always surprising. [13:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3459 @ 0.00047535 = 1.6442 BTC [-] {5} [13:35]
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Neil At some stage people are gonna stop throwing money at mining. Amazes me how long it's taking though. [13:35]
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Neil Just difficulty stabilization is gonna be a minor supply shock in bitcoin land. [13:36]
mircea_popescu that's why the throwing money isn't stopping, i'd guess. [13:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05933366 = 0.356 BTC [-] {4} [13:36]
mircea_popescu but anyway, the us spends what, 100bn on defense a year ? [13:36]
Neil mircea_popescu: And prices are down 50%. I'd have expected that to be a damper. [13:36]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is much more than the us, why shouldn't it spend much more ? [13:36]
mircea_popescu i don't think anyone cares about the spot [13:36]
mircea_popescu which explains why we have such a shitty spot [13:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.062 = 0.372 BTC [-] {3} [13:37]
Neil Miners must do, unless they're spending savings and not selling what they mine [13:37]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 60 / 6 [13:37]
gribble 31709.7919838 [13:37]
mircea_popescu 31k spent per block [13:37]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc 31/25 [13:37]
gribble 1.24 [13:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-] [13:38]
mircea_popescu fun fact : any point btc is over 1240 usd, the bitcoin network is spending more for its own security than the united states government spends on defense. [13:38]
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Neil 10**11 is what, 100 billion? [13:38]
Neil They spend more than that no? [13:39]
mircea_popescu nope. [13:39]
mircea_popescu bout there, 100ish. [13:39]
Neil Your calc is wrong [13:40]
mircea_popescu they ususally are [13:40]
mircea_popescu what'd i do this time ? [13:40]
Neil 60/6 should be (60/6) [13:40]
Neil ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 10 [13:40]
gribble 1141552.51142 [13:40]
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mircea_popescu awww [13:40]
mircea_popescu but right you are! [13:41]
Neil ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6 rather [13:41]
gribble Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (, line 1) [13:41]
Neil ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6 [13:41]
gribble 1902587.51903 [13:41]
Neil ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6 / 25 [13:41]
gribble 76103.500761 [13:41]
Neil So $76k per coin [13:41]
Neil If it gets to $76k I'm long retired on a sunny island [13:42]
mircea_popescu im not. [13:42]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 60 / 6 / (60/6) [13:43]
gribble 1 [13:43]
mircea_popescu um... [13:43]
mircea_popescu so then 60 / 6 = (60 / 6) ? [13:43]
mircea_popescu whereas! [13:44]
mircea_popescu ;;calc (1/60 / 6) / (1/ (60/6)) [13:44]
gribble 0.0277777777778 [13:44]
mircea_popescu whereas [13:44]
Neil But I'll still log on to bitcoin-assets from said sunny island, I promise! [13:44]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 76103.500761 / 1.24 [13:44]
gribble 61373.7909363 [13:44]
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Neil mircea_popescu: Judging from and adding 3 yrs of inflation I think we're closer to 10 ** 12. [13:45]
mircea_popescu i recall recently seeing the us budget, and it was 100ish [13:46]
Neil Call it $500k per BTC. [13:46]
mircea_popescu and you don't ADD inflation, because you're not in 2009 dollars today. [13:46]
mircea_popescu you substract inflation from the 2009 figures [13:46]
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Neil I'm sure they're spending more not less. [13:47]
MisterE not calling the whole LTC on Huobi thing a scam just very heavily manipulated but all markets are manipulated so... The writing was on the wall for me luckily I guess. [13:47]
MisterE And I mean the "milking the n00bs" coment tongue in cheek [13:47]
MisterE meant* [13:47]
Neil What's been happening with LTC? Still at 0.027-20.028; what's changed? [13:47]
MisterE 15.65 lol [13:47]
Neil 0.027-0.028 [13:47]
MisterE dead calm [13:47]
mircea_popescu Neil fuck me you're right [13:48]
midnightmagic mikaeldi1e mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio_ [13:48]
mircea_popescu MisterE im just a hater [13:48]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc 495.6 * 10**9 / 365 / 24 / 6 / 25 [13:49]
gribble 377168.949772 [13:49]
mircea_popescu that's the official, definitive, correct figure. 377k. [13:49]
Neil Someone's added some fsck-off hashpower to the network in the last 2 days. [13:49]
mircea_popescu yeah. [13:49]
Neil They're coming out every 5mins on average. [13:49]
mircea_popescu the us and the chinese :D [13:49]
mircea_popescu gotta spend that half trn somehow [13:49]
MisterE what are you hating on MP? [13:50]
mircea_popescu tongue in cheek comment! [13:50]
mircea_popescu see, you can't spot them either! [13:50]
* MisterE here you go: [13:50]
MisterE :p [13:50]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell asciilifeform "Social networking and mobile computing are hot" dude this orlov guy... [13:53]
gribble The operation succeeded. [13:53]
Duffer1 MP link? [13:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 328 @ 0.000835 = 0.2739 BTC [-] [13:55]
mircea_popescu [13:55]
ozbot ClubOrlov: Dead Souls [13:55]
Duffer1 you've mentioned orlov a few times [13:55]
Duffer1 thanks [13:55]
mircea_popescu some strange ideas in there, and most of it oldman nonsense. there's no absolute limit to physical development. [13:56]
Duffer1 oh is he the fuffles guy? [13:56]
mircea_popescu and no, i don't mention him, other people keep mentioning him, like herbi and ascii. i thnk he's mostly clueless and generally vain. [13:56]
mircea_popescu bezzle / fuffel ? yeah [13:56]
Duffer1 i see [13:56]
mircea_popescu tho both concepts are in general currency ( ) [13:57]
mircea_popescu and i don't think orlov even uses the latter, just, a current russian expression ascii explained in english at some point [13:57]
mircea_popescu i suppose properly bezzle should be traced back to gailbrath, cca 1929 [13:59]
mircea_popescu galbraith* [13:59]
mircea_popescu anyway, turns out this was obviously not a serious piece, so i guess teaches me to protest before finishing an article. [14:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.059394 = 0.1188 BTC [+] {2} [14:09]
Neil Well BTC > $10k bet suddenly became lopsided this week. [14:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0061001 = 0.61 BTC [-] [14:30]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 287 @ 0.00526144 = 1.51 BTC [-] {9} [14:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10515 @ 0.00095174 = 10.0075 BTC [+] [14:36]
mircea_popescu [14:39]
ozbot Bill Cosby speaking the truf. Bippity Bop - Imgur [14:39]
mircea_popescu Neil yeah heavy on no nao [14:39]
mircea_popescu [14:40]
ozbot Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide [14:40]
mircea_popescu owch [14:40]
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mircea_popescu ;;google famous jewish rabies [15:25]
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gribble Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jewish history/Archive 4 - Wikipedia, the ...: ; Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: Israel Is a 'Rabid Dog' | Jewish ... - Algemeiner: ; JCR-UK - Susser Archive - History of the (1 more message) [15:25]
mircea_popescu [15:27]
ozbot Here’s a thought : being Bitcoin is more of a something to be than being Jewish ever was or could [15:27]
MisterE haha and BCF hate at the end love it [15:30]
MisterE I dont go on bitcointalk forum much such a time sink [15:31]
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ThickAsThieves Someone's added some fsck-off hashpower to the network in the last 2 days. /// probly ASICMINER stuff [16:07]
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VanCleef nah not asicminer [16:12]
VanCleef they're dying [16:12]
artifexd ThickAsThieves Do you know anyone running the altcoin testnet that I can connect to? [16:12]
ThickAsThieves i dont think anyone runs one [16:13]
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mircea_popescu pretty sure blue matt was at some point [16:14]
artifexd lol [16:14]
artifexd I guess I get to test code in production, as it were. [16:15]
mircea_popescu hearn did it... [16:15]
artifexd That doesn't make it a good idea. [16:15]
mircea_popescu you don't say ?! [16:15]
artifexd I do say! [16:15]
mircea_popescu no but srsly, i can't believe they'd have stopped the testnet [16:15]
mircea_popescu ask in #bitcoin-dev for some testcoins or something [16:16]
mircea_popescu or, alternatively, use the ATC newtork, it's a direct copy of bitcoin [16:16]
artifexd I don't want bitcoin testnet. I want altcoin testnet. [16:16]
mircea_popescu i'll send you some atc if you can't work it out ah [16:16]
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mircea_popescu oh nm me i completely misread. [16:16]
kakobreklaa you wont really cause pankkake ripped you [16:16]
Apocalyptic he did ? [16:16]
mircea_popescu kakobreklaa sheeeit [16:16]
mircea_popescu dude ran o0ff with my altcoinz ?! [16:17]
pankkake I am alive [16:17]
mircea_popescu o hey there. [16:17]
pankkake hello [16:17]
kakobreklaa kanzure Keefe Ken` kermit khersonus kill-9all knotwork Kromulus KRS-One Kushed [16:17]
mircea_popescu kakobreklaa see ? slander again. [16:17]
kakobreklaa i take it back. [16:17]
mircea_popescu pankkake you ok ? [16:17]
pankkake I'll be more available in a few days [16:17]
mircea_popescu cool. [16:17]
mircea_popescu no emergency, relax. [16:17]
kakobreklaa its not slander if you miss someone! [16:17]
mircea_popescu slanderlove [16:17]
pankkake yeah, very tired and irlbusy these last few weeks [16:18]
pankkake e-mail is sure to reach me [16:18]
ThickAsThieves artifexd, may I ask whatcha working on? [16:18]
artifexd [16:19]
mircea_popescu o hey. [16:19]
ThickAsThieves sweet [16:19]
mircea_popescu all the fun of gambling with none of the bitcoin downside!!11 [16:19]
pankkake artifexd: I don't think there ever was a altcoin testnet. if it's configured in the code, you can start it yourself I guess! [16:19]
ThickAsThieves lemme know if you need help of any of the kinds i might be able to provide [16:19]
artifexd There's a testnet checkpoint at block 546 (or somewhere thereabouts). [16:20]
pankkake ouch, it's wrong then [16:20]
artifexd I may have to just reset the genesis block and remove the checkpoints and start mining it myself. [16:20]
artifexd Difficulty should be low. :) [16:20]
mircea_popescu lol [16:21]
ThickAsThieves why isn't Homeland Security part of the Defense budget? [16:21]
nubbins` it's worked into the Offense budget [16:22]
chetty offensive [16:22]
pankkake if you make it I'll merge your genesis block/checkpoints [16:22]
MisterE homeland sec doesn't include all law enforcement either [16:22]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves because otherwise all their unjustifiable expenses stand out as a sore thumb [16:23]
mircea_popescu there was a rash of reporting their haliburtonesque mismanagement of resources in 2002-2003 [16:23]
mircea_popescu it's meanwhile disappeared, but the problem's only gotten worse. [16:23]
mircea_popescu in many ways the usg is much like a bitcointalk investor : can't get anything done because surrounded by thieves [16:24]
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MisterE the leaked "black budget" gave us a bit more insight and you can extrapolate how they compartmentalize from there [16:25]
ThickAsThieves look we cut Defense spending by .1%! Ignore that Homeland Security part. [16:25]
mircea_popescu myeah. [16:26]
MisterE the pieces of the pie they argue over that include social services are definitely the small ones. [16:26]
MisterE no budget has ever included the 10 years war(s) [16:26]
MisterE wait Obama did in his first [16:26]
ThickAsThieves so basically the budgets represent each of the USG's corporations, not actual categories [16:28]
mircea_popescu pretty much [16:29]
MisterE too bad that SEC layer didnt come to IRC :) [16:33]
MisterE lawyer* [16:33]
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VanCleef anybods find this useful? - [16:34]
ThickAsThieves as useful as any google search i guess [16:34]
ThickAsThieves you can look up tickers n stuff [16:34]
VanCleef i just found it a few days ago, made a portfolio, its pretty neat [16:34]
mircea_popescu just as useful as any free market data service [16:34]
mircea_popescu msn has one, yahoo has one, bloomberg has one [16:35]
mircea_popescu and i think there's more. [16:35]
mircea_popescu MisterE time's not ended yet. [16:35]
VanCleef do you invest irl shares/securties mircea? [16:36]
MisterE oh I'm pretty sure the SEC's network blocks the applet [16:36]
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ThickAsThieves neckbeard chic aka lumberjack couture [16:38]
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ThickAsThieves an ad served while viewing zh ^ [16:38]
ThickAsThieves god knows what i bought on online to deserve that [16:38]
nubbins` heh [16:39]
nubbins` i've seen frank & oak ads [16:39]
ThickAsThieves really i have nothing against his clothes [16:40]
MisterE are they like Carhart? [16:40]
ThickAsThieves just how they are being presented as 'style' [16:40]
nubbins` pair of dickies and a plaid shirt [16:40]
nubbins` STYLE [16:40]
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ThickAsThieves i guess if it aint nude, it's stylish [16:41]
MisterE back in the 60s people had style [16:41]
MisterE sharkskin jackets [16:41]
MisterE Rat Pack [16:41]
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ThickAsThieves i'm sure there are plenty people with style still [16:42]
ThickAsThieves just the ones on tv are mostly just gay-with-clothes-on [16:43]
ThickAsThieves i'm no one to talk though [16:44]
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ThickAsThieves i'd wear the same thing every day if people stopped fixating on that being weird [16:44]
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MisterE heh true gay people and many black people have style [16:44]
MisterE guess I dont get out much [16:44]
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Mats_cd03 scrub [16:45]
nubbins` normcore [16:45]
VanCleef do you think its because every black person is secretly gay? (no homo) [16:47]
heat is that why [16:47]
heat they all [16:47]
Mats_cd03 no, its social norms [16:47]
heat got the moves? [16:47]
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Mats_cd03 men on the extreme ends of perceived sexual norms (e.g. black vs asians in the media) seem to have fewer problems with dressing fashionably [16:49]
Mats_cd03 (in my experience) [16:49]
artifexd lemme know if you need help of any of the kinds i might be able to provide << I missed that. My response: Thanks! I will. [16:49]
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nubbins` i think you guys hang around normals too much [16:49]
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ThickAsThieves artifexd, mostly that'd be design or funding, not sure what other relevant skills i might have to an atcdice [16:50]
ThickAsThieves no, black people caring about fashion has nothing to do with homosexuality [16:50]
mircea_popescu VanCleef sometimes. [16:51]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the "under $50" part i find the most objectionable. [16:52]
VanCleef ahh cool [16:52]
Mats_cd03 ^lol [16:52]
ThickAsThieves hehe [16:52]
ThickAsThieves must have cash left over to buy an axe [16:53]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what'd you wear every day anyway ? velve ? [16:53]
ThickAsThieves whats a velve? [16:53]
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ThickAsThieves ;;google velve [16:53]
gribble VELVE OLED - Technology | Verbatim: ; Velve: ; ////// VELVE ////// female singer / songwriter //////: [16:53]
mircea_popescu velvet! [16:53]
ThickAsThieves lol no [16:53]
mircea_popescu don' discriminae me because i got a broken mister [16:54]
ThickAsThieves generally i already do wear the same thing every day already [16:54]
mircea_popescu o shi i worked ha ime [16:54]
ThickAsThieves just change the colors and patterns [16:54]
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VanCleef what labels do you wear tat? [16:54]
ThickAsThieves when you start wearing neutral or black every day, that's when people start to notice [16:54]
ThickAsThieves i'm not even morbid [16:55]
ThickAsThieves i just would wear black every day probly though [16:55]
ThickAsThieves except in the sun [16:55]
ThickAsThieves that's hot [16:55]
ThickAsThieves i dont look at labels much [16:55]
ThickAsThieves if it looks like i might wear it, i buy it [16:56]
mircea_popescu ;;google man in black [16:56]
gribble Men in Black (1997) - IMDb: ; Men in Black - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Men in Black (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [16:56]
ThickAsThieves i'm overdue for new wardrobe though [16:56]
VanCleef judging from mirceas pics he seems to have a good taste in clothes [16:56]
mircea_popescu not men in black you ebonicsipidia you. [16:56]
ThickAsThieves yeah mp knows how to dress [16:56]
ThickAsThieves i also happen to think Johnny Cash is pretty cool [16:57]
mircea_popescu me too. [16:57]
VanCleef yeah johnny cash is cool [16:57]
mircea_popescu minus all the xtian bs. [16:57]
mircea_popescu but what do you want, bloke lived in teh south and his first wife died when he was what, 17 ? [16:57]
VanCleef robert smith is pretty cool too [16:58]
ThickAsThieves lol [16:58]
ThickAsThieves he made some cool music at least [16:58]
mircea_popescu he ruled, you kidding me ? [16:59]
mircea_popescu i'll never forget how he owned those clowny kids [16:59]
ThickAsThieves [16:59]
ThickAsThieves i dont now much about the man [16:59]
ThickAsThieves other than looking ridiculous and making cool music [16:59]
mircea_popescu compare nine inch nail hurt with cash hurt [16:59]
mircea_popescu then consider it was supposed to be THEIR signature song. [16:59]
VanCleef nin hurt is a pretty terrible song, wiash cash didn't cover it [17:00]
ThickAsThieves i was referring to smith [17:00]
mircea_popescu this is the furthers out case of musical and generally artistic ownage i know of [17:00]
mircea_popescu bar non. [17:00]
ThickAsThieves yes, cash Hurt is way better [17:00]
mircea_popescu o o [17:00]
VanCleef it was a good cover tho [17:00]
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mircea_popescu why did the cure go to shit btw ? [17:01]
ThickAsThieves what better swan song could the guy have had? [17:01]
mircea_popescu i forget [17:01]
mircea_popescu yeah absolutely. [17:01]
VanCleef did they go to shit? lol i think they just got old [17:01]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, disco : [17:02]
mircea_popescu i seem to remember some acrimony [17:02]
VanCleef nice pic [17:03]
ThickAsThieves an odd thing about goth/industrial/rapcore fans from the 80s/90s is they never seem able to shake it [17:03]
VanCleef heh [17:03]
ThickAsThieves they still wear cargo jeans and band t-shirts [17:03]
ThickAsThieves and are generally depressed [17:03]
ThickAsThieves maybe it was the drugs [17:03]
mircea_popescu maybe it was the last generation that had any unobstructed view of us reality. [17:04]
VanCleef music is really terrible these days [17:04]
mircea_popescu ie, it IS the drugs, but the other way around. [17:04]
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ThickAsThieves hehe i'm wearing a band tshirt and all black right now, i guess i should shut up [17:05]
ThickAsThieves except mine is Kid Dynamite [17:05]
mircea_popescu i've never wore a band tshirt [17:05]
ThickAsThieves you were never in a band [17:05]
mircea_popescu i... hm. i produced a few bands / concerts ? [17:05]
VanCleef really? [17:05]
mircea_popescu yeah [17:06]
mircea_popescu including a... rave ;/ [17:06]
ThickAsThieves hehe [17:06]
VanCleef lol [17:06]
mircea_popescu in like 96 iirc [17:06]
ThickAsThieves never been to a rave [17:06]
VanCleef that's funny [17:06]
mircea_popescu i can't even recall wtf it was called. [17:06]
ThickAsThieves Tits or GTFO Dance Party [17:07]
mircea_popescu anyway, this is all bs weirdo romanian stuff, it shouldn't really count. [17:07]
mircea_popescu more like comedic relief. [17:07]
VanCleef you produced gwar didn't u? [17:07]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves at the end there was about 1 ton of paper residue, 1/4 ton of textile residue taken from the grounds [17:07]
ThickAsThieves i went to see Gwar [17:07]
ThickAsThieves was kinda fun [17:07]
VanCleef aha [17:07]
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ThickAsThieves wtf is textile residue? clothes caked into the paper? [17:08]
mircea_popescu unidentified bits of what probably were clothes [17:08]
ThickAsThieves how many rapes? [17:09]
mircea_popescu none reported. [17:09]
MisterE it [17:09]
MisterE it's tropical here so I wear as little as possible and there's no style there heh [17:09]
mircea_popescu where you at, jamaica ? [17:11]
mircea_popescu ow shit, i just gave bill cosby a problem huh ? [17:11]
mircea_popescu but i happen to think some bits of black vernacular are expressive. i use ain't all the time. [17:12]
mircea_popescu people around me end up using it too [17:12]
mircea_popescu it's catchy namean ? [17:12]
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MisterE catchy, ain't it? [17:14]
artifexd "ain't" is black vernacular? I thought it was southern venacular. Source: I grew up in Texas. [17:14]
ThickAsThieves black and hip hop culture might be the most vibrant source of new vernacular in the world [17:14]
MisterE ^ [17:14]
mircea_popescu artifexd well this is in reference to an earlier bill cosby imgur [17:15]
ThickAsThieves you cannot keep up if you arent paying attention for even a year [17:15]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves nah, that's only because you don't speak either russian or fringe chinese/indian languages [17:15]
ThickAsThieves maybe' [17:15]
MisterE funny to see whitey suburbanite kids co-opt it so quickly now [17:15]
mircea_popescu but that said, it's certainly productive. [17:15]
mircea_popescu and more interestingly so than the white equivalent, dearly loved as "pc speak" [17:15]
ThickAsThieves bih went in, ish goes hard [17:16]
heat dont start no ish [17:16]
heat wont be no ish [17:16]
mircea_popescu artifexd well maybe. i am no expert :p [17:16]
MisterE artifexd: I did a stretch in Denton and SA [17:17]
artifexd SA? [17:17]
mircea_popescu does that mean you were in prison there ? [17:17]
MisterE San Anton [17:17]
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mircea_popescu san antonio is like my favourite us city. [17:17]
ThickAsThieves around here the old timers in the local black "ghetto" are nearly incoherent [17:17]
MisterE it's prety good [17:17]
MisterE but Bexar county sucks [17:17]
artifexd Ah. I was up in the north east. More north east than Dallas. Damn near Arkansas. [17:17]
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nubbins` around here the old timers in the local white "ghetto" are completely incoherent [17:17]
mircea_popescu MisterE the fact that i spent a week doing nothing but champagne on the riverwalk may well have colored that impression :p [17:18]
nubbins` overheard a guy talking to his father about getting his roof fixed [17:18]
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nubbins` "aeh eh uhhh ehh fuckin... euhhh..." [17:18]
mircea_popescu but this is canadians [17:18]
MisterE yes riverwalk is fantastic [17:18]
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mircea_popescu that's not language, that's gesturing psychopathy [17:18]
nubbins` mircea_popescu that's a direct quote ;( [17:18]
mircea_popescu imagine canadian forums [17:19]
nubbins` he was looking for the word "roof" [17:19]
mircea_popescu someone should make a purported canadian forum like that just to mess with people [17:19]
mircea_popescu megatroll sting operation. [17:19]
ThickAsThieves san antonio is like my favourite us city. /// is that the place in your mystery photo on trilema? [17:19]
nubbins` ;;google montreal forum [17:19]
gribble Montreal Forum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Forum de Montreal: ; The Forum Opens its Doors | Historical Website of the Montreal ...: [17:19]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves which one of the numerous mystery trilema photos [17:19]
MisterE Culturally Austin has more to offer [17:19]
ThickAsThieves one of a bridge and some buildings [17:19]
MisterE imho [17:20]
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mircea_popescu ;/ link ? [17:20]
ThickAsThieves shit i dunno, i made some guesses at the time in here [17:20]
mircea_popescu well i lost the pointer [17:20]
ThickAsThieves well not at the time you published, i think it was older [17:20]
MisterE canadian forums must be a minimum of 35% canadian or they will do something [17:20]
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mircea_popescu anyway, it was funny, i was wearing a suit, struck up a conversation with a band in a bar, [17:21]
mircea_popescu then people from the bar were coming to me to ask me to ask the band to play songs [17:21]
mircea_popescu then the band wanted to sign me up as their manager [17:21]
mircea_popescu then we had breakfast at dennys [17:21]
MisterE Moon over My Hammy? [17:21]
mircea_popescu nah it was some rock and roll ish thing [17:21]
MisterE thats they one I used to get man Dennys that takes me back [17:21]
mircea_popescu blond lead vocal guy couldn't quite decide if he wanted to do an elvis impersonation or not [17:22]
mircea_popescu o, that was my only one time in that chain, i have no idea what they serve [17:22]
MisterE ok back to movie, GF watching Psycho for first time [17:22]
MisterE I'd forgotten a lot [17:23]
mircea_popescu you dating 16yos ? [17:23]
mircea_popescu (and the 1960s vera miles version i hope?) [17:23]
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ThickAsThieves 3rd time's a charm [17:51]
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mircea_popescu heh. [17:51]
mircea_popescu aren;'t these the guys that stole the "investors" equity to cover for the previous time they got owned ? [17:51]
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Apocalyptic [16:51:46] aren;'t these the guys that stole the "investors" equity to cover for the previous time they got owned ? I believe they are [18:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39650 @ 0.0009482 = 37.5961 BTC [-] {3} [18:34]
knotwork Yeah I heard they covered the losses with money from investors. Maybe the investors didnt like that and now want to drive away all customers so the place gets no business and has to shut down [18:35]
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mircea_popescu or maybe they just have a dartboard and throw darts at it each day [18:38]
chetty well can we turn some of these scammer into dartboards? [18:39]
Apocalyptic I remember that big miner mining at Eligius praising vircurex and recommending it for trading NMC [18:39]
Apocalyptic cause "they've been around for quite some time you know" [18:39]
mircea_popescu derp. [18:40]
mircea_popescu so has goat. so has gigavps. so has teh bitcoin foundation. around scamming for quite some time now. [18:40]
Apocalyptic indeed [18:41]
Apocalyptic gigavps even has the guts to come to -otc sometimes [18:41]
kakobrekla goat is going to sue garr now [18:41]
kakobrekla "your honor, garr failed to deliver the pump." [18:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0603875 = 0.2416 BTC [-] {3} [18:42]
mike_c is this over their mining thing? [18:42]
kakobrekla yea [18:42]
mike_c but but, last I read everything was going great and they were picking up their hardware! i haven't followed the thread recently i guess :) [18:43]
kakobrekla the thing went bad over half a year ago [18:43]
mircea_popescu yeah, he was going to sue pirate, he is going to sue garr, [18:43]
kakobrekla or its just me who can smell the shit early [18:43]
mircea_popescu before that back in 2012 he was going to post pics of his mining farm [18:43]
mircea_popescu he's a going-to kind of guy. [18:43]
kakobrekla ofc he wont, i phrased it wrong [18:44]
Apocalyptic kako the shit-smeller , dat title [18:44]
mircea_popescu lol [18:44]
kakobrekla fuck what have i brought on myself [18:44]
mircea_popescu Tic the shit-senser [18:44]
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mircea_popescu lmao [18:45]
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mircea_popescu ooo what is that flash ?! [18:45]
mircea_popescu hm... what were we talking about ? [18:45]
kakobrekla yeah, much better than pdf [18:45]
mike_c we were talking about sending our btc to kako for a new mining venture. [18:45]
mircea_popescu does pdf stand for pedophile ? [18:46]
thestringpuller use latex at least... [18:46]
kakobrekla but what does flash stand for then [18:46]
mircea_popescu hm [18:46]
kakobrekla the question that ended -assets. [18:48]
kakobrekla *tumbleweed* [18:48]
bounce flash! ah-haa! [18:48]
mircea_popescu can you imagine how shocked the aliens/reptillians/illuminati/etc watching this will be [18:49]
mircea_popescu if one day it just... ends. [18:49]
VanCleef i read mircea's blog sometimes does anyone have any other handy reading material or youtube videos, doesn't have to be about bitcoin just something along the lines of investing [18:49]
VanCleef i'm just watching a bunch of mark cuban interviews [18:50]
Duffer1 [18:50]
ozbot Assets Assimilated [18:50]
mike_c last year's trilema :) [18:51]
VanCleef cool thanks Duffer1 [18:51]
mircea_popescu [18:52]
ozbot Shareholder Letters [18:52]
mircea_popescu read that whole set, you'll be ahead of about half the group of folk that identify as finance-anythign [18:52]
VanCleef thank you mircea [18:52]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: you still like Berkshire Hathaway despite Buffet's stance on BTC? [18:54]
thestringpuller you still respect* not like* [18:55]
mircea_popescu the letters are old, and as respectable as they ever were. [18:55]
mircea_popescu you think if i get alzhimers' when im 95 that'll change the 2013 articles on trilema in any way ? [18:55]
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VanCleef [18:56]
ozbot P Diddy's Words Of Wisdom - YouTube [18:56]
thestringpuller That's what I'd figure you'd say, and I expect you to be the only one in the nursing home flirting at 95... [18:57]
mircea_popescu well it ain't gonna suck itself... [18:57]
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chetty Turkish fighter jets shot down a Syrian warplane after it violated Turkey’s airspace Sunday [18:58]
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cads mircea_popescu: who/what turned you on to reading the berkshire letters? [19:07]
cads another friend has suggested it but I haven't made time for it [19:07]
ThickAsThieves so, i am trying to repair a broken tablet lcd and my current problem is it is glued to the frame and i've no heat gun, nor is the sun particularly bright today [19:08]
mircea_popescu i can't even remember, i liked the guy since i was 14 or so [19:08]
ThickAsThieves any tips? [19:08]
ThickAsThieves or just go buy a heat gun [19:08]
mircea_popescu got a lens ? [19:08]
ThickAsThieves i have a magnifying lens for soldering [19:08]
mircea_popescu so try that on the sun. who knows. [19:08]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: hair dryer usually works. [19:09]
asciilifeform helps if you own an IR thermometer. [19:09]
ThickAsThieves i do [19:09]
mircea_popescu that also. [19:09]
thestringpuller - from da reddits [19:09]
mircea_popescu esp if you got a pro one. [19:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00636479 = 0.1718 BTC [+] {5} [19:09]
ThickAsThieves any temp i should be going for? [19:09]
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asciilifeform depends on the glue, clearly [19:09]
ThickAsThieves some kinda mobile device surgical glue or someshit [19:10]
ThickAsThieves i guess, til it's loose [19:10]
asciilifeform traditional method is to attach a suction cup [19:10]
asciilifeform to the screen [19:10]
mircea_popescu [19:11]
asciilifeform and suspend it a cm or so above the table, in a clamp, from said cup [19:11]
asciilifeform then heat. [19:11]
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asciilifeform [19:14]
ozbot Sinkhole of bureaucracy | The Washington Post [19:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00639696 = 1.2794 BTC [-] {3} [19:14]
benkay so the girl draped some gauzy fabric in front of the apartment window; we verified that nobody can see in during the day, and now i'm at my standing desk aka the kitchen island shirt-cocking hard [19:15]
benkay it's glorious. [19:15]
mircea_popescu shirt-cocking ?! [19:15]
benkay ;;ud shirt cocking [19:15]
gribble | Men who go about their day with a shirt on, but no pants or underwear. "Cocking" can be used with other terms. Example: Cowl Cocking, when a man we... [19:15]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: shirt cocking [19:15]
benkay cooking bacon too, you see. [19:16]
mircea_popescu i see [19:17]
benkay it seems that Vice is the only publication on the internet who've been able to implement a bootstrap header without totally fucking the page-down functionality of yore. [19:20]
benkay functionality my ux-perts tell me nobody uses any more. [19:20]
benkay "except people who read at a reasonable speed!" [19:20]
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benkay scrolling *has* to impose additional cognitive load. [19:21]
mircea_popescu i use it. [19:21]
mircea_popescu scrolling is not unlike the revolutionary notion of having sentences broken up on lines on the written page [19:21]
ninjashogun Hi guys. [19:21]
mircea_popescu "but moving eyes from end to begin of line must add cognitive load" [19:21]
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mircea_popescu turns out the brain is a pulse not a flux processor. [19:21]
mircea_popescu it adds nothing. [19:22]
ninjashogun!*@* added to ignore list. [19:22]
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benkay really? [19:22]
mircea_popescu myeah [19:22]
benkay re lines that's been a staple for a good millenia or so tho [19:23]
benkay we've adapted. [19:23]
mircea_popescu plenty of "smarter than necessary" folk came up with lines that went 123 654 789 etc [19:23]
mircea_popescu somehow it didn't catch on. [19:23]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [19:23]
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mircea_popescu and no, it's not that we've adapted to the lines. the lines are adapted to us. [19:24]
mircea_popescu this bullshit whereby a clueless shit will "invent" something and the world will "adapt" to it is sheer usinsanity. [19:24]
mircea_popescu i get it that impotence is a major problem there, both culturally and sexually, but that's scarcely an excuse. [19:25]
benkay (correction: vice hasn't fixed the pagedown) [19:25]
mircea_popescu vice doesn't really have much interest in making it easy for people to read, either, [19:26]
mircea_popescu seeing how the more people read the more their fixed costs go up. [19:26]
thestringpuller VICE is about reporters without borders! [19:26]
mircea_popescu now if they only could convince everyone that [19:26]
mircea_popescu BLERGH [19:26]
asciilifeform 'maxmium of 200 herz' << this would be interesting if they fired in phase. which they don't. [19:26]
mircea_popescu is a perfectly fine article... [19:26]
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CheckDavid mircea_popescu: you know breaking bad? [19:29]
mircea_popescu some sitcom thing ? [19:29]
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mircea_popescu jurov oh i see [23:23]
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Mats_cd03 via slashdot [23:28]
ozbot Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian [23:28]
mircea_popescu lol [23:28]
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mircea_popescu jurov notrly ? [23:39]
jurov a donation addy [23:39]
jurov one kako did not knew about [23:39]
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Apocalyptic he claims the wp was hacked [23:40]
dexX7 19 btc donated? [23:40]
dexX7 [23:40]
ozbot Bitcoin Address 1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb [23:40]
jurov no that's the right one afaik [23:41]
dexX7 that's the one linked at the bottom of the website [23:41]
jurov i had donated to 14uG7Qcu7riB9rthmmqjVVNn7gtGkZPFGC instead [23:41]
jurov kako fixed it [23:41]
dexX7 ah [23:41]
jurov fortunately only 0.1 [23:42]
dexX7 i would worry more about a potential hack than 0.1 btc [23:42]
dexX7 OMG [23:43]
mircea_popescu wait what ?! [23:43]
dexX7 all teh gossip and slander available for the public!? [23:43]
mircea_popescu so how did the false addy end up there ? [23:43]
jurov last words were "still under investigation" [23:44]
mircea_popescu i did not know this. [23:44]
Apocalyptic dexX7, more like the logs could be edited, don't know to what extend it was compromised [23:46]
mircea_popescu so whichever of you guise did i still think wikipedia sucks. [23:47]
kakobrekla the logs were not edited ( except for the shit-smeller part) [23:47]
dexX7 Apocalyptic: good point [23:47]
ninjashogun it says there is no article of that name [23:49]
ninjashogun any of you familiar with the 'black swan' concept? [23:50]
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Mats_cd03 i fancy taleb myself but i find the concept unpalatable [23:53]
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JorgePasada mats_cd03 I think Taleb would have come off better if so much of his contempt for the people who laughed at him for being wrong all though the financial bubbles didn't seep through his writing. Great ideas, great thoughts/concepts, somewhat poorly presented. [23:54]
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Mats_cd03 it is not repeatable, testable, or falsifiable [23:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00299 = 0.4485 BTC [-] {3} [23:55]
Mats_cd03 it doesnt pass a test of any rigor known by science [23:55]
mike_c kako said it was the akismet plugin for wordpress that allowed the hack. [23:55]
Apocalyptic hum, [23:56]
Apocalyptic only one known exploit for this, and it's from 2007... [23:56]
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CheckDavid I need money to start a business. [23:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.0557 = 1.671 BTC [-] [23:58]
Mats_cd03 i need business to start a money [23:58]
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TestingUnoDosTre I've got free money for invetipreneurities [23:59]
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