Forum logs for 24 Dec 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7941 @ 0.00050493 = 4.0096 BTC [+]	[00:03]
BingoBoingo	Four comments from last week resurected http://qntra.net/2015/12/withdrawal-fees-for-changetip-starting/	[00:04]
assbot	Withdrawal Fees For Changetip Starting \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMm5s5 )	[00:04]
BingoBoingo	props for that go to /r/buttcoin for their archive bot	[00:05]
ben_vulpes	backups, backups, backups.	[00:05]
shinohai	Victoria got testy when called out on their spam lel. My 4th twitter block this year.	[00:07]
mats	asciilifeform: good to know	[00:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00049462 = 16.273 BTC [-] {2}	[00:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00050023 = 11.6303 BTC [+] {4}	[00:37]
thestringpuller	deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2GT460A.txt	[00:38]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[00:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31240 @ 0.00049545 = 15.4779 BTC [-] {3}	[01:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12812 @ 0.00049357 = 6.3236 BTC [-] {4}	[02:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108100 @ 0.00049639 = 53.6598 BTC [+] {6}	[02:13]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[02:22]
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gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 455.26, vol: 8980.89302582 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 451.924, vol: 8656.66382 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 454.94, vol: 23011.32065649 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 438.0, vol: 0.06027771 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 462.795472, vol: 90346.73590000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 456.0, vol: 67.80392621 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 447.446, vol: 26.91770615 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[02:22]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[02:22]
gribble	460.175706018	[02:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00050228 = 22.7031 BTC [+]	[03:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00050228 = 21.0455 BTC [+]	[03:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00049979 = 18.6172 BTC [-] {3}	[03:33]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[03:47]
gribble	Current Blocks: 389934 \| Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 \| Next Difficulty In: 1169 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 17 minutes, and 43 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[03:47]
phf	;;later tell asciilifeform another minimal unix http://ulixos.org, this one is 31k loc of noweb. has threads and fs caching	[03:54]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[03:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.0005015 = 10.1303 BTC [+] {2}	[03:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98900 @ 0.00049506 = 48.9614 BTC [-] {5}	[04:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20565 @ 0.00050172 = 10.3179 BTC [+] {2}	[04:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5735 @ 0.00050543 = 2.8986 BTC [+]	[04:11]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Two Milestones Pass On Bitcoin Blockchain - http://qntra.net/2015/12/two-milestones-pass-on-bitcoin-blockchain/	[04:13]
*	tripleslash_x is now known as tripleslash	[04:15]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[04:17]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 457.68, vol: 9100.39254540 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 455.002, vol: 9169.10483 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 457.26, vol: 23903.20851982 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 438.0, vol: 0.07037461 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 465.946776, vol: 95604.35230000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 456.98999, vol: 75.51392621 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 448.376, vol: 43.78180127 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[04:17]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[04:17]
gribble	463.157188567	[04:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48250 @ 0.0004935 = 23.8114 BTC [-] {3}	[04:23]
*	assbot gives voice to funkenstein_	[04:23]
funkenstein_	greetings BingoBoingo et al.	[04:24]
funkenstein_	new zhou tonged is out	[04:24]
BingoBoingo	Merry chiralmas eve	[04:24]
BingoBoingo	What is zhou tonged?	[04:24]
funkenstein_	thank you kindly, and to you :)	[04:24]
BingoBoingo	Is that liek tradefortressed?	[04:25]
funkenstein_	musical arranger of note, named after bitcoinica something or other	[04:25]
funkenstein_	yes lol :)	[04:25]
BingoBoingo	I'm still not certain whether they are or are not the same person	[04:26]
funkenstein_	also dave barry's new year in review is out	[04:27]
funkenstein_	from which i quote	[04:27]
funkenstein_	Speaking of potatoes: Tensions rise in Europe when the Russian government announces that it is launching a new business start-up called Tuber, described as “like Uber, except with tanks.”	[04:27]
BingoBoingo	Also funkenstein if you may any comments on Qntra last week you gotta remake them. If you didn't you still have to make new comments anyways.	[04:28]
BingoBoingo	lol	[04:28]
*	BingoBoingo wouldn't mind having a T-34 to convert into a camper van	[04:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.0004935 = 7.5752 BTC [-] {2}	[04:29]
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funkenstein_	my calculations are showing 14,998,400 in circulation still	[04:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00049472 = 10.6612 BTC [+] {2}	[04:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46164 @ 0.00049472 = 22.8383 BTC [+]	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/continut-platit-no-more/#comment-116065 << that beautyon fellow is giving occasion to a very satisfying convo.	[04:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68300 @ 0.00049472 = 33.7894 BTC [+]	[04:47]
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ben_vulpes	is it old news that gnupg dgaf about linefeed types?	[04:57]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351518 << U calculate how? With node of full chain?	[04:57]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 07:32:23; funkenstein_: my calculations are showing 14,998,400 in circulation still	[04:57]
ben_vulpes	and whitespace on linefeeds in between blocks of text in signed files?	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	it's complicated.	[04:57]
ben_vulpes	'cause i'm looking at 2 text files with different shasum 256's and the precise same text except for linefeeds	[04:58]
ben_vulpes	and both fucking verify	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	myeah	[05:00]
ben_vulpes	i must be the last person to have figured this out or something.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	goes in the summary header of "gpg is a pos".	[05:01]
ben_vulpes	armor -- most poorly-named flag in the history of nix tools.	[05:01]
ben_vulpes	how the fuck on earth is one supposed to know if the original text had , , or whatever the original hodgepodge of linefeeds was to begin with?	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	one is supposed to simply assume it had whatever he uses on his machine.	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	"unix philosophy".	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351238 <<< ahahaha THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR QUITTING BIZNATCH!!1	[05:06]
assbot	Logged on 23-12-2015 19:45:54; cazalla_: ;;later tell BingoBoingo y u delete muh star wars comment from qntra? censorship! need to put qntra on a blockchain obv :P	[05:06]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351243 << aww fuck. i forgot that stupidity's still in there.	[05:07]
assbot	Logged on 23-12-2015 19:47:18; ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351210 << didja '-connect' it ? or '-addnode' ? because the latter is 'merely suggestion'	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	this is the problem of having a trb in the first place : the temptation to assume it's sane is just too great.	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351253 << in fairness, sqlite works for all usecases that aren't this. or that. or in general.	[05:08]
assbot	Logged on 23-12-2015 19:50:53; ascii_field: it was the reason phuctor was sloooooooooooow	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	sorta like a birthday balloon works in all usecases that don't require anything of it.	[05:08]
ben_vulpes	aha yes	[05:09]
ben_vulpes	i know first hand the costs of making it do...stuff.	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	it's a great classroom tool i guess.	[05:10]
ben_vulpes	zing	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	lol. hey, how's life with the thunderbird, the wife, the studio and the new kid ?	[05:11]
ben_vulpes	actually what's an embeddable-via-c relational db that does r-trees besides sqlite?	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	i dunno... apache derby ? :D	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	anyway. this is how bitcoin ended up with bdb i suspect. infinitydb might be an option. they all suck.	[05:13]
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ben_vulpes	corvette is hiding from the rain, wife is back in the kitchen, and child is inflating at normal biological rates	[05:13]
ben_vulpes	i suspect maintaining that java/c layer would be more expensive than just beating adequate performance out of sqlite was	[05:14]
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*	mircea_popescu is reasonably impressed. had ben_vulpes pegged for "this guy's managed to put himself in a texbook model of a place where guys crack".	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes doesn't gcc compile B ?	[05:15]
ben_vulpes	B?	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	im just messing around.	[05:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36883 @ 0.00049412 = 18.2246 BTC [-] {4}	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351265 << this is probably true, but you know... gotta comprehend the data structures before this can be, gotta cut out a whole lotta crud out of the pastabowl before THAT can be, and so on.	[05:19]
assbot	Logged on 23-12-2015 19:58:01; ascii_field: but imho the db thing needs to be a simple mechanism written specifically for bitcoin	[05:19]
ben_vulpes	you're full of spunk tonight	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	on the downwind of a sort of irish wake.	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	well... the drinking part anyway.	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351282 << am i a bad person if i actually prefer the upper version ?	[05:21]
assbot	Logged on 23-12-2015 20:39:49; ascii_field: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Super-AMOLED-vs-Retina-Display-4.jpg << the 'pentile' thing returneth	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	I thought it was because you "discovered" this morning	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo sex only lasts so long. death overtakes.	[05:22]
BingoBoingo	so smaller	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	but hey, that was good for a few hours.	[05:22]
ben_vulpes	quelle mort	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351296 << aww, i guess it does huh. listen, i'm not saying you should be forced to use it. just... i happen to like old newsprint. and the scent of gasoline.	[05:25]
assbot	Logged on 23-12-2015 20:42:20; ascii_field: jurov: IT MOTHERFUCKING IS NOT	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	ironically, i suppose both the impairment and the sewer comments apply. life!	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell linton_s_dawson http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351345 << not anyone afaik. theoretically speaking it wouldn't likely work too well yet - not enough resources on the pi to be a real node. nevertheless, as a didactic / research sort of project rather than something to go in production trying would be interesting, if for nothing else then because nobody;s tried it yet.	[05:31]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:31]
assbot	Logged on 23-12-2015 22:25:35; linton_s_dawson: Anyone running thebitcoin.foundation client on a Raspberry Pi 2? I'd like to assemble a node and see if the Pi is a good idea.	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351348 << dude srsly... let people try things wtf.	[05:31]
assbot	Logged on 23-12-2015 22:26:16; ascii_field: short answer: bad idea	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351351 << yet. at the rate we're going, this is coming.	[05:32]
assbot	Logged on 23-12-2015 22:29:00; ascii_field: thestringpuller: be grateful that you don't have to modular-exponentiate by hand.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	and it'll be on a 1024px wide pentile display.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell linton_s_dawson http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351365 <<< /me supports this.	[05:33]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:33]
assbot	Logged on 23-12-2015 22:38:37; linton_s_dawson: If something ca be done in an easy-to-use manner, it should be done. I'm aware of the "if you're too lazy to learn you don't deserve it" logic but I don't completely agree with it.	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	who's this guy anyway ?	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	!rated linton_s_dawson	[05:33]
assbot	You need to specify one nick.	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust linton_s_dawson	[05:33]
assbot	Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user linton_s_dawson: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=linton_s_dawson \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/linton_s_dawson/	[05:33]
ben_vulpes	tonight is whitespace night in the sweet republic of bitcoin	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	!rate linton_s_dawso	[05:34]
assbot	Need a name to rate and a rating, optionally comment.	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	!rate linton_s_dawson	[05:34]
assbot	Need a name to rate and a rating, optionally comment.	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	!rate 1 linton_s_dawson New blood.	[05:34]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-12-2015#1340277 << did old qntraments lose their db ids?	[05:34]
assbot	Logged on 10-12-2015 13:40:58; mircea_popescu: midnightmagic http://qntra.net/2015/12/after-xt-failure-gavin-andresen-supports-jim-crow-for-signatures-on-the-blockchain/#comment-81695 << see ? why even bother.	[05:34]
assbot	1 is not registered in WoT.	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	grrr	[05:34]
ben_vulpes	you can do it!	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	this is a new definition of "blind drunk"	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	!rate linton_s_dawson 1 New blood.	[05:34]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8e26369d5447b582	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.linton_s_dawson.1:273d20a03740ae777bb12c9e71a486bf6cc40dc9d5273b684a21934cd0c17dce	[05:35]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for linton_s_dawson with note: New blood.	[05:35]
ben_vulpes	;;later tell mike_c does your wot thinger spit out json anywhere?	[05:36]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42350 @ 0.00049726 = 21.059 BTC [+] {2}	[05:37]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Yes. On the plus side now people have to read everything.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	i think teh qntra backuping process suffered some improvements lol	[05:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77202 @ 0.00049493 = 38.2096 BTC [-] {4}	[05:40]
thestringpuller	mod6: ben_vulpes anyone seen this error? 'unable to join the environment' in db.log ?	[05:41]
ben_vulpes	sounds extremely familiar	[05:41]
*	ben_vulpes greps	[05:42]
thestringpuller	something from bdb, but I thought that was all statically linked?	[05:42]
thestringpuller	i'm running mod6's new test2 script with alf's version string patched in.	[05:42]
*	ben_vulpes cannot recall what triggers this message	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller so you got a bitcoin binary pressed ?	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351432 << it conserves.	[05:49]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 02:00:29; asciilifeform: funny, given how i'm just about to (mostly) stop...	[05:49]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: bitcoind: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	nice.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	well done, eh.	[05:50]
thestringpuller	dunno why bdb is giving me shit tho	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	you using rhel ?	[05:51]
thestringpuller	Debian Jessie	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	do you have old lockfiles scattered around for any reason ?	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351451 << i was rather distantly downwind of that. along with most everything else in the civilised world.	[05:55]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 02:11:02; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/12/on-19th-day-of-christmas.html << add the 19 ukr fission plants to list-of-thing-you're-no-longer-down-wind-of	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	but hey, at times i enjoy my painstakingly recreated version of the 80s.	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	"But for the US, and for the EU, it is now yet another major foreign policy embarrassment, and the less said about it the better."	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	heh. this perennial willingness to NOT discuss, if at all possible to UNdiscuss all the fuckups is so fucking dumb already.	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	"Prime Minister Yatsenyuk was recently hauled off the podium by his crotch; how dignified is that?" << coming soon, to a white house near you.	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	if not this bahamas, the next bahamas.	[06:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57000 @ 0.00049727 = 28.3444 BTC [+]	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	"Now, here's what it all really means. With so much going wrong, the Ukraine has been unable to secure enough natural gas or coal supplies to provide a supply cushion in case of a cold snap this winter. A few weeks of frosty weather will deplete the supply, and then pipes will freeze, rendering much of the urban areas unlivable from then on (because, recall, there is no longer any money, or any industry to speak of, to	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	repair the damage). That seems bad enough, but we aren't quite there yet." <<< this much is exactly factual, as romania is well aware since its very difficult early 90s. as far as temperate habitation is concerned, you have strictly to options : either produce enough energy to keep the heating pipes unfrozen through the winter, or else lose the possibility of urban settlement and as a result return to 1800ish (the wor	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	d for which in 2015 is, by and large, "Africa").	[06:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4625 @ 0.00049727 = 2.2999 BTC [+]	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	if you don't keep the pipes above 0, they freeze. if they freeze they split. if they split you can't keep the [mostly concrete prefab] dwellings livable, not now, not ever.	[06:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71175 @ 0.00049732 = 35.3968 BTC [+] {2}	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	" And the way to keep it from breaking is to replace all the bits that are listed on the replacement schedule no later than the dates indicated on that schedule. It's either that or the thing goes “Ka-boom!” and everyone's hair falls out." << yes, except for the cynical west that actually wouldn't mind a few more nuclear "accidents". so what if they were fully preventable, deliberately man-made disasters ? at least	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	the oh-so-precious "alternative means solar, wind and any other inefficiency" lobby can push it's "the only energy source that works doesn't work - buy our shit" narrative.	[06:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81000 @ 0.00049348 = 39.9719 BTC [-] {2}	[06:13]
ben_vulpes	anyone recall offhand how to get gpg to crap out signed data sans header/footer?	[06:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109250 @ 0.00049925 = 54.5431 BTC [+] {6}	[06:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115700 @ 0.00049322 = 57.0656 BTC [-] {6}	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351462 << BECAUSE, importantly, the only remaining function of the british colony, its only significant export and sole raison d'etre left is exactly this playing the extraterritorial base for the USG role. you know, obama is not spying on you, the queen is (and sharing the results). we hope this legalistic subtlety makes all the difference to you!	[06:30]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 02:17:45; assbot: NSA Helped British Spies Find Security Holes In Juniper Firewalls ... ( http://bit.ly/1ObwhxY )	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	at any rate, "nsa laundered the vulnerabilities it planted in juniper firewalls through an offshore platform". britain, panama, whatever pacific island, what the hell's the difference.	[06:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9919 @ 0.00049248 = 4.8849 BTC [-] {2}	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/068FQ43.txt << seriously, these derps classified as secret/foia extempt some derp-ass $50-a-pop market research crapolade that's ~maybe~ one step above a wikipedia cull ?	[06:35]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JwnCks )	[06:35]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: nuked everything in /path/to/.bitcoin with `rm -rf /path/to/.bitcoin/*`	[06:35]
thestringpuller	anywhere else they could be hiding?	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	there's at least fifty billion "market research" houses more than happy to provide one with this crap.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller nop.	[06:36]
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punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351542 << I've worked with some fairly large sqlite dbs, obviously if you are doing a full table scan on 500gb of data, it's not gonna be fast, but it motherfucking works.	[06:39]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 08:05:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351253 << in fairness, sqlite works for all usecases that aren't this. or that. or in general.	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	doing what punkman ?	[06:39]
thestringpuller	also getting:	[06:39]
thestringpuller	terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error' what(): You must set myip= on the command line or in the configuration file:	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller you must set your ip, the binary has no way of knowing.	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350147 << seen that ?	[06:40]
assbot	Logged on 22-12-2015 04:58:44; mircea_popescu: You can then run this with something like LC_ALL=C nohup ./bitcoind -myip= -addnode=trusted_node_1 -addnode=trusted_node_2 -verifyall 2>&1 &	[06:40]
punkman	mircea_popescu: the largest one had compressed web pages and metadata, but pretty much anything that doesn't need a db server	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	yeah well.	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	many reads few writes is a particular usecase, not really what's at work in the cases discussed.	[06:42]
thestringpuller	okay so it ran, but doing an RPC call: `LC_ALL="C" ./bitcoind -rpcuser=leffuy -rpcpassword=moomooman getinfo` killed the daemon	[06:43]
thestringpuller	it dropped out of top like instantly when I ran that command^	[06:43]
punkman	I don't see how bitcoin needs a db server	[06:43]
ben_vulpes	thestringpuller: check debug.log?	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	you don't need rpc u/p to get a getinfo	[06:43]
ben_vulpes	lol but should it crash with those?	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	punkman well that's maybe a point, but nevertheless it currently uses one, and it uses one mostly to update and insert	[06:44]
punkman	bdb does not have a server either	[06:44]
ben_vulpes	notrly a server	[06:44]
punkman	it's a term of art	[06:44]
ben_vulpes	external process	[06:44]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351552 << infinitydb? java???	[06:45]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 08:09:51; mircea_popescu: anyway. this is how bitcoin ended up with bdb i suspect. infinitydb might be an option. they all suck.	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	java is best coffee.	[06:47]
ben_vulpes	punkman: just write some cffi	[06:47]
ben_vulpes	it ain't hard	[06:47]
ben_vulpes	that's why eulora's looking for mapgen in $yourlang	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	lol	[06:48]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351647 << gives this a look https://gist.github.com/extempore/b374fc9793643bb7563f	[06:49]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 09:13:27; ben_vulpes: anyone recall offhand how to get gpg to crap out signed data sans header/footer?	[06:49]
assbot	gpg_multisig.py · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJEfRB )	[06:49]
punkman	on second thought, probably not what you meant	[06:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118400 @ 0.00050092 = 59.3089 BTC [+] {4}	[06:52]
thestringpuller	ben_vulpes: tail -f debug.log >> http://dpaste.com/1K1MMEC.txt	[06:53]
thestringpuller	db.log has one line >> 'unable to join the environment'	[06:53]
thestringpuller	but that happened before thing crashed	[06:53]
thestringpuller	all i did was:	[06:53]
thestringpuller	LC_ALL="C" ./bitcoind -rpcuser=leffuy -rpcpassword=moomooman getinfo	[06:53]
thestringpuller	error: no response from server	[06:54]
thestringpuller	which is different than error: couldn't connect to server	[06:54]
punkman	thestringpuller: do you have a config file? might need to pass it along with getinfo	[06:54]
thestringpuller	nope. i set all the flags on cli like in mircea_popescu 's example	[06:54]
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ben_vulpes	does it work with a getinfo and no rpcuser/password?	[07:02]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351521 << good thread, maybe warrants a separate post	[07:05]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 07:40:49; mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/continut-platit-no-more/#comment-116065 << that beautyon fellow is giving occasion to a very satisfying convo.	[07:05]
thestringpuller	ben_vulpes:	[07:06]
thestringpuller	error: You must set rpcpassword= in the configuration file:	[07:07]
ben_vulpes	try setting them in the config file	[07:08]
ben_vulpes	aha	[07:08]
BingoBoingo	Yeah, gotta do that. And change the password.	[07:09]
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BingoBoingo	!up wywialm	[07:12]
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wywialm	thanks, BingoBoingo	[07:12]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351677 << do we have any measurements? if I had to guess I'd say there's a lot more reads than writes (after initial sync at least)	[07:12]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 09:40:34; mircea_popescu: punkman well that's maybe a point, but nevertheless it currently uses one, and it uses one mostly to update and insert	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	i thought the initial sync's being discussed.	[07:13]
ben_vulpes	i'm curious to know what data structures people who understand data structures would suggest for storage and indexing	[07:14]
punkman	even during sync, you can commit blocks to disk in batches, really cuts down on required fsyncs	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[07:15]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[07:20]
thestringpuller	nope	[07:20]
punkman	sqlite could work fine for the foreseeable future, main objection is that it comes with unneeeded complexity/kiloLOC	[07:20]
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thestringpuller	ben_vulpes: server just goes down when it makes correct connection	[07:20]
thestringpuller	i'll try it on different machine :	[07:20]
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deedbot-	[Trilema] Tin Men - http://trilema.com/2015/tin-men/	[07:51]
ben_vulpes	bloody wacky thestringpuller	[07:54]
ben_vulpes	run it under gdb?	[07:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41161 @ 0.00049931 = 20.5521 BTC [-] {2}	[07:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95624 @ 0.00049767 = 47.5892 BTC [-]	[08:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83600 @ 0.00050393 = 42.1285 BTC [+] {2}	[08:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81750 @ 0.00050295 = 41.1162 BTC [-] {2}	[08:25]
jurov	thestringpuller: run the daemon in gdb. it really should not get killed via RPC.	[08:43]
BingoBoingo	miscellolious https://archive.is/lhlkt	[08:49]
assbot	Coffee Sleeve Recall (Sleeves Used Before April 2015) – Kaldi's Coffee ... ( http://bit.ly/22qpu9Y )	[08:49]
BingoBoingo	The hazards of metallic inks	[08:52]
punkman	such hazard	[09:02]
jurov	banknotes too ignite in microwave. better recall them!	[09:10]
BingoBoingo	For real, paper money is dangerous	[09:11]
punkman	I'd guess UStards expect the default state of things to be microwave-safe, whereas other people expect "it will probably catch fire/melt/etc"	[09:12]
BingoBoingo	Prolly, but in other spam http://dpaste.com/110PEB0.txt	[09:14]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1YDzzM8 )	[09:14]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351645 << stumbled across these centrally planned lulz the other day http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/eu-trade-case--120-companies--associations-to-participate-in-mip-expiry-review_100022550/	[09:21]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 09:06:33; mircea_popescu: the oh-so-precious "alternative means solar, wind and any other inefficiency" lobby can push it's "the only energy source that works doesn't work - buy our shit" narrative.	[09:21]
assbot	EU trade case: 120 companies, associations to participate in MIP expiry review: pv-magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDAtYT )	[09:21]
punkman	http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/eu--anti-circumvention-duties-for-chinese-solar-products-shipped-via-taiwan--malaysia_100022552/	[09:21]
assbot	EU: Anti-circumvention duties for Chinese solar products shipped via Taiwan, Malaysia: pv-magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDAufl )	[09:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53350 @ 0.00049834 = 26.5864 BTC [-] {2}	[09:23]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351377 << so the feds just wanna keep more of it to offset budget cuts?	[09:28]
assbot	Logged on 23-12-2015 22:50:35; deedbot-: [Qntra] US DO"J" Stops Sharing Bounty Of Theft With Locals - http://qntra.net/2015/12/us-doj-stops-sharing-bounty-of-theft-with-locals/	[09:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58450 @ 0.00050183 = 29.332 BTC [+] {3}	[09:33]
BingoBoingo	yeah	[09:35]
BingoBoingo	prolly also saving up to afford a gendarmie	[09:35]
BingoBoingo	But they'll prolly unveil it as gender.me	[09:38]
BingoBoingo	Which will also be their recruiting slogan	[09:38]
punkman	heh	[09:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00050169 = 10.6107 BTC [-] {2}	[09:53]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44650 @ 0.00050204 = 22.4161 BTC [-] {3}	[10:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 66 @ 0.0154 = 1.0164 BTC [+]	[10:20]
BingoBoingo	^ Oh shit a Havelol made the main channel ticker	[10:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.0004986 = 29.5171 BTC [-] {5}	[10:26]
fluffypony	it's still going? who knew	[10:29]
BingoBoingo	Seriously	[10:32]
BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/yfdaj	[10:39]
assbot	My fat neighbor is going to hospitalize himself \| fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tj8AnA )	[10:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96300 @ 0.000497 = 47.8611 BTC [-] {4}	[10:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00050248 = 17.9637 BTC [+] {3}	[10:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78500 @ 0.00049215 = 38.6338 BTC [-] {5}	[10:59]
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BingoBoingo	what the fuck	[11:24]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351549 << we don't need a db in the usual, general sense. we need an indexer for the things we need an indexer for.	[11:28]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 08:08:25; ben_vulpes: actually what's an embeddable-via-c relational db that does r-trees besides sqlite?	[11:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47250 @ 0.00049024 = 23.1638 BTC [-] {3}	[11:29]
asciilifeform	;;later tell phf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351490 << this is yet another 'school os' - it has x86 32-bit retardation heavily baked in. pretty useless for our cause imho.	[11:32]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 06:51:07; phf: ;;later tell asciilifeform another minimal unix http://ulixos.org, this one is 31k loc of noweb. has threads and fs caching	[11:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:32]
asciilifeform	i don't ever want to see a task state segment again. and don't see why i oughta.	[11:33]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351554 << i will take no part in anything involving java in whatever capacity.	[11:35]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 08:10:52; ben_vulpes: i suspect maintaining that java/c layer would be more expensive than just beating adequate performance out of sqlite was	[11:35]
asciilifeform	and it boggles my mind that this was being considered, even in passing	[11:36]
asciilifeform	(unless i misread ??)	[11:36]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351565 << bad picture. the effect is considerably less annoying in photos, and virtually invisible in a video - which is HOW THEY GOT AWAY with having SHARED blue pixels	[11:37]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 08:17:37; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351282 << am i a bad person if i actually prefer the upper version ?	[11:37]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351572 << i ~also~ like old newsprint. but not simply from the moire pattern in the photos, but because TEXT WAS BLACK	[11:38]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 08:21:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351296 << aww, i guess it does huh. listen, i'm not saying you should be forced to use it. just... i happen to like old newsprint. and the scent of gasoline.	[11:38]
asciilifeform	in the pentile shit, TEXT IS NOT BLACK	[11:38]
asciilifeform	it has dancing buzzing crud around the edges when your eyes move	[11:38]
asciilifeform	because 'who wants to read text'	[11:38]
asciilifeform	'good enough for arsebook'	[11:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu get thee to an electronics shop and sneak a peek at the abomination. e.g., 'samsung s2 tablet' etc.	[11:39]
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asciilifeform	i bet even colourblind fella will notice.	[11:40]
Naphex	.	[11:40]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351575 << i tried it! on pi-1. not enough i/o bandwidth. but the problem with all 'pi' machines is rather different - it is the presence of a dedicated, always-on usg mysterymeat cpu core	[11:41]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 08:27:45; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell linton_s_dawson http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351345 << not anyone afaik. theoretically speaking it wouldn't likely work too well yet - not enough resources on the pi to be a real node. nevertheless, as a didactic / research sort of project rather than something to go in production trying would be interesting, if for nothing else then because nobody;s tr	[11:41]
asciilifeform	which is not something a sane person would want on a node	[11:41]
asciilifeform	(and yes recent intel boxes have precisely same issue)	[11:42]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351639 << it'll happen with usg diesel dispensed on usurious credit - as in bulgaria	[11:43]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 09:00:51; mircea_popescu: repair the damage). That seems bad enough, but we aren't quite there yet." <<< this much is exactly factual, as romania is well aware since its very difficult early 90s. as far as temperate habitation is concerned, you have strictly to options : either produce enough energy to keep the heating pipes unfrozen through the winter, or else lose the possibility of urban settlement and as	[11:43]
asciilifeform	(usg is happy to preside over the mothballing of perfectly-working su nuke plants, this is a very effective colonization instrument)	[11:44]
*	BingoBoingo wonders if anyone here has experience with laptop coolers that have fan pulling air out through CPU exhaust vent, considering one.	[11:45]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: if laptop needs external cooling, it's a pos	[11:45]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351645 << kinda funny, same thing petro-pipe-era (1970s+) su used to do to the west (funded 'activism!11111' against fission, etc)	[11:46]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 09:06:33; mircea_popescu: the oh-so-precious "alternative means solar, wind and any other inefficiency" lobby can push it's "the only energy source that works doesn't work - buy our shit" narrative.	[11:46]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351650 << this flowed predictably out of the post-ww2 bitchdom that gave us orwell's apt 'airstrip one'	[11:47]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 09:26:49; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351462 << BECAUSE, importantly, the only remaining function of the british colony, its only significant export and sole raison d'etre left is exactly this playing the extraterritorial base for the USG role. you know, obama is not spying on you, the queen is (and sharing the results). we hope this legalistic subtlety makes all the differe	[11:47]
asciilifeform	uk is just an 'unsinkable aircraft carrier' for usg. like taiwan.	[11:48]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351654 << y'know, the janitor's schedule at ft meade is also classified. 'sources & methods' (tm) (r)	[11:49]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 09:31:41; mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/068FQ43.txt << seriously, these derps classified as secret/foia extempt some derp-ass $50-a-pop market research crapolade that's ~maybe~ one step above a wikipedia cull ?	[11:49]
asciilifeform	it's an intro blob for 'mba' to read	[11:49]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351660 << ahahahaa i'm a laugh to death, we want a sql parser to grind every motherfucking time a tx is fetched ??!?!?	[11:50]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 09:35:36; punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351542 << I've worked with some fairly large sqlite dbs, obviously if you are doing a full table scan on 500gb of data, it's not gonna be fast, but it motherfucking works.	[11:50]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351715 << even initial sync has vastly more reads than writes. thinkaboutit	[11:52]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 10:10:20; mircea_popescu: i thought the initial sync's being discussed.	[11:52]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351721 << it is a turd and barely works for the purpose it was designed for. and NO MOTHERFUCKING SQL in bitcoin	[11:52]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 10:16:31; punkman: sqlite could work fine for the foreseeable future, main objection is that it comes with unneeeded complexity/kiloLOC	[11:53]
asciilifeform	srsly what part of this is hard to understand.	[11:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48350 @ 0.00050204 = 24.2736 BTC [+] {3}	[11:54]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351584 << to mutilate the old saying, 'things oughta be as easy to use as possible, but not easier'	[12:01]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 08:29:37; assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 22:38:37; linton_s_dawson: If something ca be done in an easy-to-use manner, it should be done. I'm aware of the "if you're too lazy to learn you don't deserve it" logic but I don't completely agree with it.	[12:01]
shinohai	I strongly believe linton_s_dawson "just wants an app for that"	[12:01]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351578 << anybody who wants to build for ARM can use my recipe, it is in the ml, and it wurx	[12:03]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 08:28:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351348 << dude srsly... let people try things wtf.	[12:03]
asciilifeform	and also 'rotor' is a generalization of it	[12:04]
asciilifeform	you can build for whateverthefuck you like, build for nintendo, build for cray	[12:04]
asciilifeform	anything with a gcc available	[12:04]
*	shinohai is evidently too retarded to build using asciilifeform 's recipe. T_T	[12:09]
asciilifeform	shinohai: what was the issue	[12:09]
shinohai	I just cannot understand how to use buildroot, despite reading manuals for hours upon hours.	[12:10]
asciilifeform	i don't recall my recipe needing understanding	[12:10]
shinohai	Maybe I need the proper drugs.	[12:11]
shinohai	Once I figure it out I am definitely going to write an idiot's guide to cross-compiling.	[12:15]
asciilifeform	;;later tell phf http://mikhailmasl.livejournal.com/4852.html << mega-b00k. afaik never published in dead tree. the only known memoir of mathematician working in kgb, lived through the '90s no less. the fella who designed that crackpot calculator for central bank.	[12:17]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:17]
asciilifeform	i've been reading it for a couplea days now and it's a riot.	[12:17]
asciilifeform	when martin & mitchell famously ran away from nsa to su in 1960, su decided to open own nsa	[12:18]
asciilifeform	and built a kind of first-rate maths school cum military academy	[12:19]
asciilifeform	the book is interesting not only from anthropological pov but also because it reveals why 'gost' is a piece of shit	[12:24]
asciilifeform	(was cheap ripoff of DES, and deliberately)	[12:24]
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asciilifeform	'Idiosyncrasies : Eats raw chicken because he likes the taste.' << from mitchell's fbi file	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	lolwut	[12:45]
asciilifeform	from megaturd http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/nsa/75791A.pdf	[12:45]
asciilifeform	strictly for pro entomologists!	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	the stuff you read.	[12:46]
*	asciilifeform is about halfway in	[12:46]
mircea_popescu	in another life you could have been a happily employed girlie, reading this crud of your own curiosity an' making summaries for terrorists.	[12:47]
*	asciilifeform suspects that he reads moar of it, and more attentively, than the pro gurlz	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	possible.	[12:49]
asciilifeform	'Martin is said to have criticized American women and marital laws. Martin and Mitchell have both been described as socially awkward and Mitchell has been described as unsophisticated and naive about the practical world.' (p.60)	[12:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71100 @ 0.00049913 = 35.4881 BTC [-] {4}	[12:50]
asciilifeform	(tldr: the brass, in at least as far as the Official Truth doc releases reveal, were obsessed with whether m & m were buggering one another and spent millions investigating this)	[12:50]
asciilifeform	also many, many pages on 'suspected' masochism	[12:54]
asciilifeform	etc.	[12:54]
asciilifeform	l0l! even viktor kamkin bookstore (rip) and its owners figured in the case!	[12:59]
asciilifeform	!s kamkin	[12:59]
assbot	3 results for 'kamkin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kamkin	[12:59]
asciilifeform	(p.79)	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	the 60s	[13:03]
asciilifeform	any old usaschwitz inmate knows: 1960 in usa was the middle of 'the fifties'	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	heh	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	in my head it's all "time when the pre-cocksucking lusers lived"	[13:06]
asciilifeform	'Martin and Mitchell's effects reveal their interest and activity in photography, music, Russian language, French, and travel. Mitchell also possesses much athletic and sporting equipment, firearms, and a large liquor supply.'	[13:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00050509 = 23.1584 BTC [+]	[13:06]
asciilifeform	and the tone with which the usgdroids describe one of the fellas watching japanese strippers diddle one another, it must be read to be appreciated.	[13:07]
asciilifeform	or how they tried to hunt down everybody with whom they... played chess	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	heh	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	it's funny how all the soviet defections were proof sovietism dun work (it didn't) but all the various us defections weren't proof usgism dun work (it... didn't).	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	omaygawd teh bad ppls in this world.	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	in the end not substantially different from the su's own "sluggard schizophrenia" in response to that age old question that's the bane of every mature bureaucracy : "why would anyone want to leave paradise!"	[13:11]
asciilifeform	m and m blew the usg minds for the simple reason that, as far as anybody could tell, they weren't bribed	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	recall the north korean girly that killed herself in paris rather than come back home to the ~very priviledged~ household of her commanding daddy in best democratic thingamagig ?	[13:11]
asciilifeform	aha.	[13:12]
asciilifeform	(not that you could actually bribe a usian, in those days, to move to su)	[13:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96582 @ 0.00049871 = 48.1664 BTC [-] {3}	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	"f0or as long as we define bribing in terms that make it impossible, it was impossible to bribe an usian to move to su in those days"	[13:12]
asciilifeform	but as far as publicly known, neither martin nor mitchell was running 'from sins'	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	wanna bet ?	[13:13]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: bribe in the ordinary sense	[13:14]
asciilifeform	(with money)	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	that's not the ordinary sense.	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	go, bribe someone. WITH MONEY.	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	the most you'll get is a can of coke out of a vending machine.	[13:15]
asciilifeform	well, yes, normally you need something to make the money stick	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	right.	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	anyway. "traitorous homosexual network of communists" ftw.	[13:17]
asciilifeform	aha, bulk of the turd is literally about this.	[13:17]
mircea_popescu	anyway. if memory serves the actual cia conclusion was "social ambition drove it", which is EXACTLY what a fucking bribe is.	[13:18]
asciilifeform	that was the demented summary aha	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	the point isn't "the money", the money is always and everywhere as it is here a token. the point of the bribe is that the bribed becomes part of the clan of the briber, it's exactly a fucking wedding.	[13:19]
asciilifeform	from the actual words of m & m, in as far as they have been recorded in su, it was (in at least the case of the domainant fella, i forget which one that was) on account of... mathematics	[13:19]
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asciilifeform	schmuck thought that 'su respects maths! i will be respected!11111'	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	which is why women generally confront the "either you put out or we rape you" and bureaucrats generally confront the "play ball or go sleep with the fishes".	[13:20]
asciilifeform	the detectives were baffled because they only looked for the simple knobs - bag of money; or failing that, 'ideological rot'	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	didn't they famously say natasha fucks better ?	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	prolly why the us went all overboard with "faggits!"	[13:21]
asciilifeform	but m & m wanted to go straight for the 'wedding'	[13:21]
asciilifeform	and yes their goodbye letter (it leaked out, iirc, years later) mentioned chicks	[13:21]
asciilifeform	but in re: mathematics:	[13:22]
asciilifeform	one of the reasons why there are not more defections among the house slaves is,	[13:22]
asciilifeform	that most healthy cultures piss on turncoats	[13:22]
asciilifeform	k. philby famously drank himself to death on account of this	[13:23]
asciilifeform	(he actually thought that he might be trusted with serious business in su, imagine)	[13:23]
asciilifeform	'rome does not pay traitors'	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	this is a difficult point.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	it;s not that most healthy cultures piss on turncoats. it's that turncoats generally go psychotic.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	who was the classical general that busted his own face, pretended his king did it, went to the enemies who bought it and then raped them in their sleep ?	[13:26]
mod6	mornin'	[13:37]
mod6	thestringpuller: did you ever git your bitcoind up and going?	[13:37]
mod6	s/git/get/	[13:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75900 @ 0.00050163 = 38.0737 BTC [+]	[13:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7522 @ 0.00049864 = 3.7508 BTC [-]	[13:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.00049 = 31.801 BTC [-]	[13:43]
mod6	once you have a 'bitcoin.conf' in place in either ~/.bitcoin or '-datadir' with an 'rpcuser' & 'rpcpassword': `LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=127.0.0.1 -connect 173.73.235.152 -verifyall &`	[13:44]
mod6	bah	[13:44]
mod6	`LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=127.0.0.1 -connect=173.73.235.152 -verifyall &`	[13:44]
mod6	or !	[13:44]
mod6	`LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -datadir=/path/to/.bitcoin -myip=127.0.0.1 -connect=173.73.235.152 -verifyall &`	[13:44]
mod6	should do the trick.	[13:45]
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mod6	im not sure what this is about:	[13:49]
mod6	<+thestringpuller> db.log has one line >> 'unable to join the environment'	[13:49]
asciilifeform	sounds like a b0rk3d db	[13:50]
mod6	i looked for 'environment' in the code -- didn't find any relevant matches as far as I can tell: http://dpaste.com/1QDGFPN.txt	[13:51]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QKjDbU )	[13:51]
asciilifeform	mod6: bdbism	[13:51]
mod6	ok. hmm.	[13:51]
mod6	weird.	[13:52]
mod6	was this started from a /clean/ env or is this trying to load up a blockchain from christmas past?	[13:53]
asciilifeform	gotta ask him	[13:53]
mod6	thestringpuller ^	[13:53]
mod6	i had to laugh at that last orlov	[13:55]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351909 << from the standpoint of the other fella, turning on your fellow soldiers ~is~ a psychotic act	[13:55]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 16:22:07; mircea_popescu: it;s not that most healthy cultures piss on turncoats. it's that turncoats generally go psychotic.	[13:55]
mod6	'NPPs require power all the time'	[13:56]
asciilifeform	mod6: they do though	[13:56]
*	asciilifeform thought that this was well-known	[13:56]
mod6	ya, makes sense. sucks if you can't afford to buy the coal or what not	[13:56]
asciilifeform	at any rate, usg has quite likely already sent the same disassembly squads they used in bulgaria	[13:57]
asciilifeform	ua will run on usg diesel until ragnarok	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	mod6 understant, there's no "turned off the universe" switch. whether you have "an use" for it or not, teh sun's still gonna shine, and the radioactive will still decay.	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	either you cool it or it cools you.	[13:58]
mod6	yeah	[13:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87580 @ 0.00048945 = 42.866 BTC [-] {3}	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform im not terribly sure avbout that. for one thing, the us is poor these days. for the other, it's always been perfidious, and the blown nuke plants are perhaps more valuable to it.	[13:59]
asciilifeform	nuland & co. don't personally relish sitting in a hot zone	[13:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60071 @ 0.00048916 = 29.3843 BTC [-] {3}	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	cheaper to move one fat woman than all that diesel.	[13:59]
asciilifeform	nor the entire floor (!) of ua parliament bldg devoted to cia	[13:59]
*	mod6 wonders if he'll have to buy trainloads of coal one day	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	and i'm not overstating the screaming, onctuous poverty they're in one little bit. have you seen the footage from that meeting of perry with random nobody in ukraina, that took place in a room smaller than the very cramped table ?	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	the guy's expensive shirts make an incredible situation with the "we couldn't afford a hotel room so we paid the porter to let us use the utility closet" thing	[14:00]
asciilifeform	orcs are met with in the orc stall in the barn	[14:01]
asciilifeform	humans - in human hall	[14:01]
asciilifeform	sop.	[14:01]
trinque	http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-151224.sh << made minor changes such that there's a build dir and binary's crapped into bin in the current dir	[14:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1YEbncp )	[14:01]
*	mod6 looks	[14:02]
asciilifeform	this thing really oughta be a makefile	[14:02]
asciilifeform	for one thing, that would let you cache the www turds locally	[14:03]
trinque	yep, I may take that on next.	[14:03]
trinque	the above is just about 4-5 lines tweaked	[14:03]
asciilifeform	btw a v-ified variant of 'make' would be spiffy	[14:03]
asciilifeform	here's how:	[14:03]
asciilifeform	it would build ITEMS OF SPECIFIC HASH rather than name	[14:03]
asciilifeform	sorta like a v press-to-hash (feature i never got around to implementing)	[14:04]
trinque	neat, makes sense.	[14:04]
asciilifeform	(take a known hash, do whatever is necessary to end up with file of that hash)	[14:04]
asciilifeform	curl -s http://openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz -o distfiles/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz << we're still doing this ?!!	[14:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1YEbV27 )	[14:05]
trinque	so outermost makefile would do what this script is doing, then call a rotor makefile.	[14:06]
asciilifeform	aha except that it oughtn't load anything from the net if the necessary file is in a local distfiles dir	[14:06]
asciilifeform	the whole 'load from net' paradigm for builds is imho sad	[14:06]
trinque	yup	[14:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112146 @ 0.00048879 = 54.8158 BTC [-] {4}	[14:07]
trinque	but gotta get them from somewhere	[14:07]
asciilifeform	cd.	[14:07]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351968 << and incidentally, this is probably a good time to point out that 'v' as it is presently seen is not the most generalized treatment of the subject	[14:09]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 17:00:29; asciilifeform: sorta like a v press-to-hash (feature i never got around to implementing)	[14:09]
asciilifeform	must understand that 'patch' is simply one possible operation for a vtron	[14:09]
asciilifeform	'v' is meant as a general sane solution to the 'must-x-before-y' problem	[14:10]
asciilifeform	like gnumake, but with hard crypto	[14:10]
asciilifeform	and hard pinning of all intermediate 'lemma'	[14:11]
asciilifeform	(gnumake does not know, or care, what the actual binaries it ends up with at whatever step were)	[14:11]
trinque	sounds like a type of shell script, where one can perform-action then check-hash-of-state, then continue or die	[14:13]
asciilifeform	well no	[14:13]
asciilifeform	because it has to be able to form a topological walk	[14:13]
asciilifeform	and compute paths	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	yep, I may take that on next. << not a bad idea yeah.	[14:13]
asciilifeform	but yes, you could theoretically implement in whatever shell. my original attempt at 'v' (unpublished) was in awk & sed	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	(take a known hash, do whatever is necessary to end up with file of that hash) <<< this is actually a great approach, if it weren't for off-by-dword issues	[14:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the issues come from retarded compiler	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	well of course.	[14:14]
asciilifeform	the solution to which is arduous but in no sense mysterious	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	and we're calling it retarded because we don't know it's subverted. yet.	[14:14]
asciilifeform	(pinning down gcc in the killing jar)	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	at the rate we're going tho...	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	btw, phuctor back online yet ?	[14:15]
asciilifeform	not quite yet, actually working on it as we speak	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	cool	[14:15]
asciilifeform	rewriting with a traditional db	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	ah, you went into the guts ?	[14:15]
asciilifeform	and multithreaded gcd--er	[14:15]
asciilifeform	aha	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[14:15]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351997 << this brings us to another thing i've been doing for past 6 mo. or so	[14:16]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 17:11:18; mircea_popescu: and we're calling it retarded because we don't know it's subverted. yet.	[14:16]
asciilifeform	which is, dredging through the actual bin	[14:16]
asciilifeform	(the ~4MB elf we get from a rotor run)	[14:16]
*	mircea_popescu has not found anything, which merely makes /me convinced his reversing installed capacity is marginal at best.	[14:16]
asciilifeform	slightly more than half is openssl turdism	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	i meant in the specific sense of thompson's compiler.	[14:17]
asciilifeform	'science!!111111' has progressed since herr thompson, y'know	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	i have exactly no faith in this theory.	[14:18]
asciilifeform	don't expect a 100kB turd in there.	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	just looking for noteworthy "mysterious" polymorphisms etc.	[14:18]
asciilifeform	gonna be more like an off-by-one array access 'plausibly accidented' in somewhere	[14:18]
asciilifeform	and incidentally c++ makes looking for this virtually impossible without elaborate automation	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[14:19]
*	asciilifeform has been digging deep into cpp internals	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	anyway, 100kb is not required, about 512 bytes would trigger atm.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	which... whatever, huge holes.	[14:19]
asciilifeform	again the more realistic scenario is 1bt of 'plausible optimization!111' that lets you spray in the 512	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	i'm a fundamentalist rather than a realist at heart. who knew.	[14:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00049206 = 41.4315 BTC [+] {2}	[14:22]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352012 << welcome to the club of everybody else who buys reversing. even usg has mega-sh0rt4g3z	[14:22]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 17:13:21; *: mircea_popescu has not found anything, which merely makes /me convinced his reversing installed capacity is marginal at best.	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	"This guy barely ekes out a living wage in Romania. Rule #1 in building a cult of personality is to pose as if you're raking in the cash, no matter how poor you are. But any idiot can see that (a) this guy cannot even travel to the US because of the legal problems with MPEX, (b) he makes no money from any source, and (c) he's a loser."	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	o hey check me out, i'm eking a living in romania.	[14:23]
asciilifeform	why not namibia ?	[14:23]
asciilifeform	if gonna spew idiocy, why not full bore ?	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	lazy, i guess ?	[14:24]
asciilifeform	i guess	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this chick's been rather obsessed with me for a while now. hey sciencehatesyou... i'll pay for your tits you know ? just like everyone's else.	[14:24]
asciilifeform	it's a chick?!!	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck else is this FUCKING EQUALITARIAN, huh ?	[14:25]
asciilifeform	perl script ?	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	shouldn't i get brownie points for taking all comers ? eh ?	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's a font of endless amusement to me, how the limits of people's heads reside in people's heads to much obviousness for everyone but the limited in question.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	chicks wanna-be a feminist and lalala women's rights, is not sufficiently self-possessed to pose topless.	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	this, however, at no point raises any consciously-visible exception in her software. because...	[14:26]
asciilifeform	these selfsame folks will happily pose topless, or opencunted, etc. ~in the right place~	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	doubt it.	[14:26]
mod6	/topic lalala women's rights	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	hmm... free and open cuntware. now that's an apt observation.	[14:27]
asciilifeform	the exception is thrown because 'disgusting male gaze' or whatever it was called	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	lol MobGod	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	oops	[14:27]
asciilifeform	rather than because missing cuntcover	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform except that's the local symbolic name for the global that's HER OWN FUCKING GAZE	[14:27]
asciilifeform	in the fyootoor (tm) shrinks will have a specially-crafted conlang for describing the thought processes of madness	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	really it's what lacan and co were going for.	[14:28]
asciilifeform	ended up with, at any rate	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	it didn't work (imo the best summary of the problem is - they ran into recursive cyclic graphs and couldn't recover)	[14:29]
asciilifeform	aha.	[14:29]
asciilifeform	this is what happens to folks innocent of mathematics	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	in fairness, the guy wasn't exactly dumb, and the problem itself is not exactly trivial.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	and even to folks nocent.	[14:29]
asciilifeform	cycle finding has reasonable solution	[14:30]
asciilifeform	e.g., http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TortoiseAndHare	[14:30]
assbot	Tortoise And Hare ... ( http://bit.ly/1YEeKA2 )	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	sure sure, but finding is the easier part.	[14:30]
asciilifeform	^ yet another thing i was gonna put in 'v' but snipped in the interest of time	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	"now fix it" "what ?!" "make it flat" "are you stupid ?"	[14:30]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351837 << mega-b00k describes a kgb legend: the first man who explained to beria how otp is provably 'perfect'-secure, was allowed to leave lubyanka - but at the door they took his employee pass	[14:32]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 15:13:51; asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf http://mikhailmasl.livejournal.com/4852.html << mega-b00k. afaik never published in dead tree. the only known memoir of mathematician working in kgb, lived through the '90s no less. the fella who designed that crackpot calculator for central bank.	[14:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100500 @ 0.00050163 = 50.4138 BTC [+]	[14:33]
asciilifeform	http://aklepov.com/index.php?page=elektronika-mk-85c-en << finally found an english www describing the thing maslennikov (author of earlier b00k) built	[14:37]
assbot	Elektronika MK-85C \| Клепов Анатолий Викторович ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmSBWz )	[14:38]
mod6	trinque: building ur script changes now.	[14:38]
asciilifeform	it sucked pretty hard, by his own admission, but he insists that it saved ru central bank from total annihilation (plague of fake transfers in the '90s by chechens)	[14:38]
asciilifeform	was primitive pubkey signature machine.	[14:39]
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*	asciilifeform was not there, cannot vouch for the truth of this tale	[14:39]
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asciilifeform	http://ireport.cnn.com/community/assignment << holy shit what is this	[14:45]
assbot	CNN iReport Assignment Desk ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmT4Yx )	[14:45]
asciilifeform	'cnn' hosts spam now ??	[14:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91200 @ 0.00050218 = 45.7988 BTC [+] {2}	[14:47]
punkman	http://cdn.theguardian.tv/webM/2015/12/21/151221ChinaLandslide_synd_768k_vp8.webm	[15:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PmUnH8 )	[15:05]
asciilifeform	http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/22/world/asia/china-landslide-shenzhen.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=1 << after reading this, hard to doubt that here, just as in the chem factory explosion, usg was involved	[15:09]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmUK4w )	[15:09]
asciilifeform	just try to wrap your head around the tone of the pravda article	[15:10]
asciilifeform	'this is what cn gets for trying to be sovereign'	[15:10]
asciilifeform	http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/technology/when-a-unicorn-start-up-stumbles-its-employees-get-hurt.html << lulzy, nyt reads the logz and rips off mircea_popescu's summaries	[15:15]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7cyQq )	[15:15]
asciilifeform	'Investors and executives generally get protections in a start-up that employees do not. Many investors have preferred stock, a class of shares that can come with a guaranteed payout. Executives frequently get special bonuses so they will not leave during deal talks. ... In contrast, start-up employees generally own common stock, whose payout comes only after those who hold preferred shares get their money. In Good’s case, t	[15:16]
asciilifeform	he board’s preferred stock was worth almost the same as all 227 million common shares outstanding.'	[15:16]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351819 << wasn't trying to say that we need/want sql. but as far as dbs go, I've always found sqlite to be a reliable tool and there's no reasonable alternative for most of my use cases. I've never looked at the source, so no comments there.	[15:16]
asciilifeform	'...a private company with a valuation of more than $1 billion. The high valuation increased the paper value of employee shares — and thus the income tax bills levied on their stock when they received the stock grants, or when they bought and sold shares. To pay those taxes, some employees emptied savings accounts and borrowed money.'	[15:16]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 14:49:21; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351721 << it is a turd and barely works for the purpose it was designed for. and NO MOTHERFUCKING SQL in bitcoin	[15:16]
asciilifeform	punkman: i'm actively de-sqlite-ing a 'small' and - seemingly - reasonable - use case as we speak	[15:17]
punkman	asciilifeform: it does say on the tin that it's not great when you want many concurrent writers	[15:18]
asciilifeform	even 2.	[15:18]
mod6	trinque: werks, http://dpaste.com/12PBTVK.txt	[15:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1U7cOyN )	[15:19]
asciilifeform	'The Internal Revenue Service levied taxes on some employees when their Good stock was still considered a valuable asset and worth multiples of what they actually received. One person’s tax bill came to more than $80,000, while another paid more than $150,000....'	[15:19]
asciilifeform	riotously lulzy	[15:19]
punkman	asciilifeform: even 2 yes, can only have one writer at a time.	[15:25]
asciilifeform	but this isn't why it sucks for bitcoin	[15:26]
asciilifeform	(why the everliving fuck should there be a sql interpreter in the binary? or runtime interpretation of hardcoded sql proggies ???!!!)	[15:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55296 @ 0.00050495 = 27.9217 BTC [+] {2}	[15:27]
punkman	sure, unneeded complexity	[15:27]
asciilifeform	it is screaming idiocy.	[15:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26454 @ 0.00050543 = 13.3706 BTC [+] {2}	[15:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30412 @ 0.00050157 = 15.2537 BTC [-] {2}	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	'cnn' hosts spam now ?? <<< the "mainstream media" is sinking, and has been, for twenty years now. there is no bottom for them.	[15:35]
asciilifeform	aha but this was a new mindfuck	[15:35]
asciilifeform	gigantic dir full of straight-out sp4m0l4d3	[15:35]
punkman	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IReport pretty old	[15:35]
assbot	iReport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7e0lE )	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	lulzy, nyt reads the logz and rips off mircea_popescu's summaries <<< then forgets to mention this, muppets sit around and wonder who could this guy be etc.	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	"To pay those taxes, some employees emptied savings accounts and borrowed money." << ahaha loot at the cute chumps!	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	even 2. << 2 is technically many in computing.	[15:38]
asciilifeform	aha!	[15:38]
asciilifeform	quite enough for deadlock	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	(why the everliving fuck should there be a sql interpreter in the binary? or runtime interpretation of hardcoded sql proggies ???!!!) << because at the time satoshbi made it he didn't have a clear design document and the usg stoolies anchored themselves on such chinks in the armor to "extend" and so forth.	[15:39]
asciilifeform	'if two trains meet one another on a track, neither shall move until the other has passed.' (supposedly from a 1880s american state law)	[15:39]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: we don't have sql in there now. this was re: the notion of using sqlite.	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	was discussing "runtime interpretation" bit.	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	aka "script"	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	gigantic dir full of straight-out sp4m0l4d3 << surely it was an accident for which nobody paid anyone inside two happy meals.	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	and all the talking heads i fucked to date were not common prostitutes but journalists and so forth.	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	"Page Not Found We’re sorry, we seem to have lost this page, but we don’t want to lose you." << apparently nyt piece you linked diappeared.	[15:42]
asciilifeform	holy shit	[15:42]
punkman	still there for me	[15:43]
asciilifeform	ditto	[15:43]
asciilifeform	https://archive.is/EGfeb	[15:44]
assbot	When a Unicorn Start-Up Stumbles, Its Employees Get Hurt - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1mCjwSQ )	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	https://archive.is/7Ir7f <	[15:44]
assbot	Page Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1mCjxpM )	[15:44]
asciilifeform	see above	[15:44]
asciilifeform	and it still loads here	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	this is bizarre.	[15:45]
asciilifeform	seems like they only ban t3rr0r1stz!!111	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	a wait, html vs htm	[15:46]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351774 << conversation wasn't strictly about trb but dbs in general	[15:46]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 14:25:03; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351549 << we don't need a db in the usual, general sense. we need an indexer for the things we need an indexer for.	[15:46]
ben_vulpes	why the everloving fuck would trb care about rtrees	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	"r. In an investor document about the sale that was distributed to shareholders, employees discovered their Good stock was valued at 44 cents a share, down from $4.32 a year earlier. In contrast, preferred stock owned by Good’s venture capitalists was worth almost seven times as much, more than $3 a share."	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	and amusingly enough they can't actually block it.	[15:47]
asciilifeform	trb needs a 'db in the usual, general sense' like it needs a gene sequencer.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	"Good’s final sale price down to $425 million, less than half of the company’s $1.1 billion private valuation. The paperwork also showed that Good’s board had turned down an $825 million cash offer just six months earlier, in March."	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[15:47]
ben_vulpes	mhm.	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	oh lordy... please derps, run more SV. mpex not good enough for you, by all means, go for it.	[15:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24414 @ 0.0005056 = 12.3437 BTC [+] {2}	[15:49]
punkman	http://professional-troublemaker.com/2015/12/24/corbett-sues-tsa-over-new-policy-to-refuse-opt-outs/	[15:52]
assbot	Corbett Sues TSA Over New Policy to Refuse Opt-Outs \| Professional Troublemaker ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7f2yb )	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	i don't get it, so the guy rewards the naughty child with attention in the hopes it'll stimulate it to... think about how it's been naughty ?	[15:54]
punkman	"professional troublemaker"	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	it will alright. for as long as TSA disputes end up in federal court rather than in burning baltimore, it'll be thinking right about how well being naughty works for its goals.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	get a pen, poke TSA's agent eye out.	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	an eye for a scanner, good business.	[15:56]
asciilifeform	see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770468 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2014#753560	[15:56]
assbot	Logged on 26-07-2014 18:48:15; asciilifeform: this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms.	[15:56]
assbot	Logged on 13-07-2014 03:53:10; asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: what you don't appear to understand is that this is a 'military' puzzle, not a 'legal' puzzle.	[15:56]
asciilifeform	also mircea_popescu would make a first-class army recruiter... for the old jp army! the one where you got one of these, http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/fig1_japanese_lunge_mine_antitank.jpg	[15:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1U7fiNx )	[15:58]
asciilifeform	and 'ohka' plane, 'kaiten' submarine...	[15:58]
asciilifeform	and other man-as-bee apparatus	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	by the time your country has failed to the degree tsa exists, you ARE bee. whether you're ready to admit this or not is entirely in your own mind.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	"I didn’t want a startup, but an actual business that generates revenue, and Cusoy would not fulfill that personal goal for me without a full-time team, 1-2+ years of funding, multiple years of hard work (3-5+ years at the very least?) trying to answer the if/when questions of whether or not Cusoy could make money (very expensive questions too, might I add — not only in money but time, my most valuable asset).	[15:59]
mircea_popescu		[15:59]
mircea_popescu	While I know there might be a possibility I could hustle incredibly hard and try to set up partnerships, the time investment required far outweighed the already incredibly slim chances of generating revenue."	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	holy shit, someone's not entirely dumb ?!	[16:00]
asciilifeform	i guess he realized he was a bee	[16:00]
asciilifeform	or sumthing	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	"\|Yes, Yelp has a tag for “gluten free” but it only has 44 restaurants in San Francisco with that tag (do it yourself if you don’t believe me and NYC actually has double the number of restaurants tagged gluten-free), which is a very low and deceiving number."	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	motherfucker, the entire city of buenos aires has like... ONE actual restaurant.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	"More importantly, it does a terrible job of giving people like me actual relevant information for gluten free: Does the restaurant train its staff? Do they have separate cutters for their gluten free pizza? Are they flexible and accommodating? Do they have a separate gluten free menu? What ingredients do they use? etc."	[16:02]
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mircea_popescu	srsly ?	[16:02]
asciilifeform	meanwhile, usg unzips wallet and http://www.wsj.com/articles/palantir-technologies-raises-further-200-million-1450920952	[16:03]
assbot	Palantir Technologies Raises Further $200 Million - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1mCl8Mg )	[16:03]
asciilifeform	(this on top of existing, what, 500m from cia)	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	"III. WHY I SHUT IT DOWN (ALTERNATIVELY, WHAT I WOULD’VE NEEDED TO CONTINUE). Four reasons (in order of least to most important): No team ; No funding ; No longer aligned with my personal goals anymore ; No clear or predictable way to sustainability (B2C is extremely, extremely hard to monetize)"	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	reminds me of that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpbYCfCfT1Y monologue	[16:03]
assbot	Seinfeld: No resources, no skill, no talent - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1mCle6P )	[16:04]
asciilifeform	'i woke up in a ditch in drunken haze and with a company, i have no idea why i have it'	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	tellingly, the nut in there ALSO thought time was the true issue. because hey, everyone's time is valuable now, in lalaland.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	"1. No team. It’s really hard to do a startup by yourself, especially if you’re a non-technical founder. No kidding, right? However, being non-technical wasn’t my excuse since WordPress came to the rescue and I basically bought the development through using cost-effective themes."	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	holy shit check that crazy out.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	wordpress themes TECHNOLOGY ?	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if you're wondering why the figure's so low (srsly, palantir raises 200mn, whatsap sells for 20bn ?), the reason'd be that most of this has to be actual turkey buying dollars.	[16:05]
asciilifeform	hey, to an illiterate cave dweller all voodoo is the same, aluminum airplane or straw airplane	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	straw aluminum alloy!	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	hightech composite!	[16:05]
asciilifeform	and why does it have to be actual dollarz? most of it goes right back to rent racket	[16:05]
asciilifeform	like mains current	[16:06]
punkman	I saw gluten-free bread in the local bakery earlier this year. The only bread that had a brochure and brand-name. Didn't last long.	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	punkman the story of the bread ?	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform complicated. but their key people don't actually buy into the stupid.	[16:06]
asciilifeform	incidentally, maslennikov derisively cites kgb indoctrination ('in the west, yes, they pay you 5k usd/mo, but most of it will be spent on house and medicine') as if it were somehow false	[16:07]
asciilifeform	quite like other post-sov folks	[16:07]
asciilifeform	somebody oughta drag them, kicking and screaming, to washington, and make'em live here	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	hahahaha	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck would they do that ?	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	they just move on. say to mexico.	[16:07]
asciilifeform	well m moved to kr	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	who's incidentally already pushing pretty hard.	[16:07]
punkman	mircea_popescu: more along the lines of "Why don't you try being a gluten-tard? Might be just the thing for you"	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	"We hired a local operations manager in Denver (Sasha Juliard) and soon launched at Shotgun Willie’s (the highest-grossing strip club in CO) and two other bars. We made about $1,200 on each deal (50% went to DexOne, we spent $800 on each launch event and we had $500 in hardware costs), this was the only sales revenue Flowtab ever made. We were tightening up our sales process, but it was hard to market ourselves prope	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	rly in those bars without being there. It quickly become a distraction to our operations in San Francisco."	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	holy shit, what ?	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	"flowtab joined my two life's passions, inept geekery and strip clubs"	[16:08]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352205 << the beautiful magic involved here is that it is ~actually possible~ to, in some cases, give yourself various dietarytardisms by 'trying'	[16:10]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 19:04:16; punkman: mircea_popescu: more along the lines of "Why don't you try being a gluten-tard? Might be just the thing for you"	[16:10]
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asciilifeform	esp. if you're a kid	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	yup. take chicken liver. i love it. so does everyone who had sane enough parents to have it as a kid.	[16:10]
asciilifeform	rather like a sort of inverted dope addiction	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	you know who can't stand it ? everyone else.	[16:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: funnily i loved it as a kid, then did not have it for some years, and now can no longer stand it	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[16:11]
*	mircea_popescu forces slavegirls to eat livers. it's a show, i tell you.	[16:11]
asciilifeform	perhaps one day i will be fortunate enough to crash on an island and eat livers of neighbours and will enjoy it again	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	"Partnering with a uni friend, we pitched our concept to a whole bunch of web developers we knew. The challenge we posed was that it couldn’t be customisation by drop-down list or radio buttons (solutions we were offered repeatedly). This was 2005. We needed to show customers high-quality photographic customisation, where every selection changes your product. Custom-made product required a strict no-refund policy, so	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	customers needed to see exactly what they were going to get.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	All of them said the site we wanted was impossible, apart from one who quoted upward of $40k for build, excluding the photography and image editing that would be needed. At this stage we only had $20k total capital for the entire venture — sampling, pattern making, inventory and production. So my co-founder taught herself to code. She worked day and night — we did all the operational planning during busines	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	s hours, and when I went off to a night job managing a restaurant, she’d code, with Sex and the City for company, until 1 or 2am when I stumbled in again from night shift."	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	see ? the women are okay.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	it's the men that are the fucking problem.	[16:12]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351781 << quite	[16:13]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 14:31:29; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351554 << i will take no part in anything involving java in whatever capacity.	[16:13]
punkman	mircea_popescu: link to that?	[16:13]
*	ben_vulpes waves at Naphex	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	"Why did we launch with 12 million variants? Because we thought we needed to. Would the market have been happy to customise just the length? If we’d done proper validation, we would have known, that yes, it would have been happy — thrilled even. It only became apparent, too late, that 90% of our orders were for very typical jeans from atypically tall women. Stonewashed stovepipes with a 36-inch leg, anyone?"	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	I could have fucking tell you that.	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	jesus.	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	punkman https://medium.com/@markbarwald/internet-startup-lessons-from-failure-995d0285e8ba	[16:14]
assbot	Internet Startup: Lessons from failure — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1mClSRM )	[16:14]
punkman	speaking of clothing and software, there really is nothing reasonable out there	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	"So we decided to wholesale, on the condition we could establish a cost-effective supply chain. This might all seem like a juvenile, ill-informed, poorly researched, gamble. And it was mostly, but I heard an irrepressible voice day and night,asking what if it works?	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	We added a line of jersey basics to our denim line, packed up our lives, ended the lease on our house, loaded our portfolios and patterns into suitcases and boarded a plane for Malaysia, where I had some contacts in the manufacturing industry. At one factory after another, we were wooed by the boss, we got the grand tour, we were asked our volume projections…. and we were shown the door. Our (very inflated) annual fo	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	recast of 5000 units per style was daily output for these guys."	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	"The single factory willing to work with us said they’d quote on our items while showing us around the facility. When our guide accidentally led us full-circle, we caught their product team copying our patterns and that was the end of our sourcing trip."	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[16:17]
asciilifeform	the funny part is, a machine that '3d scans' your carcass and stitches a reasonable suit, is entirely possible from technical pov and would cost what a garbage truck costs, at the most. but you will sooner see a machine that serves you your own liver to eat, than this	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	how you figure ?	[16:18]
asciilifeform	which half ?	[16:18]
punkman	both	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	the latter.	[16:18]
*	mircea_popescu has enough experience with 1990s state of the art 3d modelling for games on basis of laser scanning nude female models to not need the first part explaiend.	[16:18]
asciilifeform	i'd rather hear mircea_popescu's hypothesis re: why said machine does not presently exist, first	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	why didn't "Better Homes And Gardens" exist in 1980 Moscow ?	[16:19]
asciilifeform	mine - reduces to the 'excluded middle' discussed in the old thread	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	a) the people who had a dacha were happy as is, no need to chase it	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	b) nobody gave a shit about the peons. srsly.	[16:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this would make sense except that it DID exist	[16:20]
asciilifeform	and even there was a car mag !	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	circulation 45 ?	[16:20]
punkman	static scan doesn't give enough information for tailor, never mind machine designer	[16:20]
asciilifeform	massive circulation	[16:20]
*	mircea_popescu slept through this.	[16:20]
asciilifeform	every car owner was a 'gearhead' by necessity	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	punkman i never had a tailor go "breathe in" "now exhale" before.	[16:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://www.zr.ru/archive/zr	[16:21]
assbot	Архив журнала За Рулем ... ( http://bit.ly/1mCmsPr )	[16:21]
punkman	mircea_popescu: you gotta at least move your limbs a bit, no?	[16:21]
asciilifeform	punkman: who said anything about static, necessarily	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	not really, no. you're supposed to stand naturally.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	you ever been fitted for a suit ?	[16:21]
punkman	nope	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	mkay.	[16:21]
asciilifeform	http://www.zr.ru/archive/zr/1988/09/planiruietsia-zastoi#1 << hey check out this lulfest, folks wide awake to the automotive slavery of usa	[16:23]
assbot	ПЛАНИРУЕТСЯ ЗАСТОЙ? - Сентябрь 1988 года - архив За рулем ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7gBfy )	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	"More importantly though, people really didn’t really LIKE anything about our product. No one that used the service thought it was that cool. In fact, some people that participated in the sale didn’t even like our “dynamic pricing” system."	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	look at that.	[16:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: many 'startup' schmucks actually plan to make a 'product' which lusers simply stumble into, like flies into a carnivorous plant	[16:24]
asciilifeform	(hoping to emulate, perhaps, 'mcdonalds' or other cattle industry)	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	nobody likes mcdonalds.	[16:25]
asciilifeform	nobody likes irs either	[16:25]
asciilifeform	but there it is.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	hard to beat "cheap calories" as a warm blooded lifeform.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	"Our first beta test was a disaster when Amazon (who was our payment processor) suspended our account for not complying with money transfer issues. Fans were able to participate in the sale, but we were unable to capture their billing. We ended up paying the artist out of our own pocket and giving everyone his music for free (and we never told him that happened until now)." <<< derps were going to bypass amazon on an a	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	mazon platform.	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	We should have packed it up early right then, but we felt like we had already gone too far to quit. We rebuilt (and re-designed) the majority of the software, got approved by Amazon, and reached out to over 1,700 artists (each individually through different platforms). We got between 1 and 10 artists interested. Again, this just screams “PUT IT OUT OF ITS MISERY!” But we kept going.	[16:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54800 @ 0.00050519 = 27.6844 BTC [-]	[16:29]
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mircea_popescu	"Out of the picture: why the world's best photo startup is going out of business. Everpix was great. This is how it died. The immediate concern in the room was a forthcoming bill from Amazon Web Services, which hosts the 400 million photos stored with Everpix; the team estimated the bill would be about $35,000."	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	dude wtf, a) never heard of it and b) it fucking sucked, get lost.	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	if you pay 35k monthly for hardware you'd better be doing something more interesting than "we store 400 million photos"	[16:31]
asciilifeform	'we stored 400 million dick shots for ft meade but they forgot to agree to pay us'	[16:31]
mod6	Alexandar's private collection	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	very shitty business to be in actually.	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	people take pictures in total violation of the economic cost of the energy expenditure for the camera, let alone any other considerations.	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	to involve yourself in this is madness	[16:33]
asciilifeform	guess what, they also eat and breathe in total violation of the economic cost...	[16:33]
asciilifeform	even... make moar of themselves	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	"By 2009 both men had left Apple and were working at Cooliris, which makes photo viewing software. Latour set up an office for Cooliris in Japan, and after spending some time traveling through Asia with his girlfriend, he became frustrated with how difficult it was to store and organize all the photos he was taking. He discussed an early idea for a product with Quennesson, who was interested in using math and science t	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	o create better photo software."	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	for fucks sake.	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	after reading that sort of nonsense i half expect the author has some "science" in a jar in his basement	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	keeps adding it to foods and whatnot.	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and for this exact reason medicine is a losing proposition. except THAT gets swept up into "obamacare" and so on. there's not going to be an obamacare for photographolalia, your ft meade wet dreams notwithstanding.	[16:34]
asciilifeform	obamacares are a temporary thing	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	here's a fun fact : the classical gestapo didn't know what to do to keep the idiot population from givingthem tips.	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	the current version's in no different shape	[16:35]
asciilifeform	the schmucks wanted to ride the good times while they lasted	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	Quennesson had noted that the more photos he took, the less likely he was ever to look at any one of them ever again. "People take more and more photos, but paradoxically, they become more and more disconnected from them," he said last month in a conference room at their co-working space. "You don’t want to go back to this whole life that you’ve captured, which is counterintuitive. It's the most important thing —	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	it’s your life! So there’s this obvious problem."	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	this is diagnosable insanity.	[16:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the other gestapo did not suffer from delusions of machine learning!1111111111 to help them process somehow infinite tips into an edible portion	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	ironically, it did, but anyway.	[16:37]
asciilifeform	wai wut	[16:43]
asciilifeform	contrary to the ibm legend, there was no nazi palantir.	[16:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00050136 = 15.9934 BTC [-] {2}	[16:44]
asciilifeform	re: photographolalia: interesting to note how the psychology of photo changed over time:	[16:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78174 @ 0.00049952 = 39.0495 BTC [-] {2}	[16:45]
asciilifeform	when emigres (incl. my own parents) packed up, they burned old photos (that would not fit, folks have ludicrously fat binders of these; or for whatever reason not brought along for the ride)	[16:46]
asciilifeform	i never fully understood the reason for this peculiar (and foul smelling! try it) custom	[16:46]
asciilifeform	but there it was	[16:46]
asciilifeform	'you wouldn't leave'em for the rubbish men'	[16:46]
asciilifeform	sorta like a continuation of the - legendary - indian tribe who 'camera steals your soul'	[16:46]
asciilifeform	whereas today people will spam their photo to all-comers.	[16:47]
asciilifeform	(equally incomprehensible imho)	[16:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41310 @ 0.00050578 = 20.8938 BTC [+]	[16:51]
asciilifeform	;;later tell ben_vulpes http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/18_static-compilation-woes.html << is that... a chick's hand-writing ?!	[16:51]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:51]
assbot	static compilation woes ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTT5Cd )	[16:51]
asciilifeform	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html << would be neat to see an updated this	[16:55]
assbot	a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONsjId )	[16:55]
shinohai	^ got to say, his bash scripting is art	[16:59]
mod6	mircea_popescu: going back to the .wot dir being created by default in the `pwd` of V : I would think that perhaps .seals should go in the same place as well; `pwd`.	[17:00]
mod6	Any thoughts there?	[17:00]
asciilifeform	mod6: why is .wot dir ever created automatically ?	[17:00]
mod6	its not	[17:00]
mod6	we've been through this.	[17:00]
*	asciilifeform digs in log	[17:01]
punkman	/me has cases of negatives and film slides, looked into digitizing, came back with ain't nobody got time for that	[17:01]
asciilifeform	punkman: a very reasonable film scanner costs a few hundy	[17:01]
mod6	errr. wait.	[17:01]
mod6	maybe it just doesn't pull the keys any more.	[17:01]
*	mod6 looks at cod.e	[17:01]
punkman	asciilifeform: mostly slides, much more work	[17:02]
mod6	someone is gonna have to take over V	[17:02]
mod6	like Mr. P. said, there is no way I'm gonna be able to keep up with all of the feature requests here as well.	[17:02]
shinohai	But that is perl wizardry ...	[17:02]
mod6	ok, No, the .wot dir must be created by hand.	[17:05]
asciilifeform	this is the Right Thing.	[17:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69890 @ 0.00050645 = 35.3958 BTC [+]	[17:05]
mod6	yeah, the documentation says that you need to 'create a ~/.wot directory' -- which will have to change, but 'you need to create' is the hint in there.	[17:06]
shinohai	Been a few weeks but I manually created it and added everyones keys, but once I made it everything works fine	[17:07]
asciilifeform	pubkeys really oughta live in rom.	[17:07]
asciilifeform	eventually.	[17:07]
asciilifeform	incidentally, why was there never (afaik) an attempt at a laser-programmed fpga ?	[17:09]
asciilifeform	or even fuse rom	[17:09]
asciilifeform	(laser-writable fuse rom, that is)	[17:10]
asciilifeform	we have the optics.	[17:10]
asciilifeform	they cost, what, ten bux.	[17:10]
asciilifeform	one bonus is that it'd be optically-inspectable, too.	[17:11]
asciilifeform	(just picture something like a small cdrom but with si underneath)	[17:11]
asciilifeform	;;later tell punkman was it you who submitted the patch that removes all remaining wxisms ? if so, would you consider rewriting as a vpatch ?	[17:17]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:17]
*	asciilifeform is tired of seeing wxisms in the viewer	[17:17]
punkman	asciilifeform: I rewrote and it's there	[17:17]
asciilifeform	in the ml ?	[17:17]
punkman	yep	[17:18]
punkman	in the debug_sanity patch	[17:18]
asciilifeform	does it merge into the existing bleeding edge without complaint ?	[17:18]
punkman	haven't tried	[17:18]
asciilifeform	speaking of which, we still need a thing where folks can drop in vpatches and sigs and redraws the flow graph	[17:19]
*	asciilifeform has, unsurprisingly, a half-written unusable version of this	[17:19]
mod6	ok so i changed the changes: .wot and .seals in the present working directory, unless specified otherwise. Also I've added the checking of the hashes post-press. EXPERIMENTAL ONLY Will post new, signed version [v99996] once fully tested.	[17:20]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/12M99KB.txt	[17:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QKF78y )	[17:20]
asciilifeform	mod6: neato	[17:20]
mod6	here's the hash for v99997: 0810eb4c7209900b3eb7b96fc7b9bfa437360581586e7d073ebc4f2cf88f13f2cafe9340ef5b8953dc43b288e4f74da3d7973998755466252225b5103c72bb99	[17:20]
mod6	If you add the above patch, you should end up with:	[17:21]
punkman	asciilifeform: here http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000166.html	[17:21]
assbot	[BTC-dev] Some test patches and my V implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZjGPg )	[17:21]
mod6	11ece4221d6264bef4e17805e549f686b575142227aff9a00cd379110ccfcc56096a5b6924c9f614c2c6823bd687f876142b115b0d30da17c237e663deb04f11	[17:21]
mod6	vpatch also declares this at the top.	[17:21]
mod6	:]	[17:21]
asciilifeform	punkman: ah i recall	[17:22]
asciilifeform	punkman: i like this patch except imho 1) patches ought to do One Thing 2) printf hardcoded to stdout is Wrong Thing	[17:22]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> speaking of which, we still need a thing where folks can drop in vpatches and sigs and redraws the flow graph << mine does this.	[17:23]
mod6	just have to tell it to draw the graph again.	[17:23]
asciilifeform	mod6: i meant on trb www site	[17:23]
mod6	oh.	[17:23]
asciilifeform	as in, a place where i can go & drop it in	[17:23]
asciilifeform	and then punkman doesn't end up writing a patch that needlessly conflicts (or vice versa)	[17:23]
mod6	ah, gotcha	[17:23]
asciilifeform	y'know, sorta like heathen versionatrons do	[17:23]
asciilifeform	except with actual crypto	[17:23]
mod6	yeah, we need something for that.	[17:23]
asciilifeform	replacement for turdatron.	[17:24]
mod6	well, the ML has a place - although, the filename munging would be nice to go away.	[17:24]
punkman	asciilifeform: printf is redefined though and is how everything goes to log	[17:25]
mod6	but.. yeah, a separate thing that could be fed for this purpose would be super great	[17:25]
asciilifeform	punkman: ah	[17:25]
asciilifeform	btw my gcc does not like redefined printf etc	[17:25]
punkman	one thing to watch out for is that I replaced some wxMessageBox(_("Error:") things with fprintf(stderr, "Error:"), which I have no idea why now	[17:26]
punkman	I assume those won't end up in debug log	[17:27]
mod6	all: btw, if you do use the above test patch for V, please remember you may need to run a dos2unix on the dpaste [dpaste.com/12M99KB.txt]	[17:29]
mod6	first	[17:29]
asciilifeform	ugh	[17:29]
asciilifeform	has anybody here written own 'pastebin' ?	[17:29]
asciilifeform	(perhaps i missed this)	[17:29]
mod6	anyway, i'll keep testing on this for a bit and see how it goes. and if all is well, i'll repost the entire thing (including the few changes to the automated tests) to the ML	[17:29]
punkman	also need own browser, because they tend to add	[17:29]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> has anybody here written own 'pastebin' ? << we desperately need this.	[17:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00050023 = 19.0087 BTC [-]	[17:30]
asciilifeform	punkman: afaik 'curl' does not	[17:30]
punkman	https://github.com/bartTC/dpaste	[17:30]
assbot	bartTC/dpaste · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QKG4he )	[17:30]
asciilifeform	ick turdlibs	[17:30]
punkman	https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=pastebin long list	[17:31]
assbot	Search · pastebin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QKG94t )	[17:31]
asciilifeform	ideally a tmsr 'pastebin' would take input by gpg --encrypt --recipient thingspubkey... \| curl -X POST ...	[17:34]
punkman	https://clbin.com/	[17:35]
assbot	clbin: command line pastebin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Okh3T9 )	[17:35]
asciilifeform	or how phuctor submission also worked	[17:35]
asciilifeform	(the curl part, that is)	[17:36]
mod6	cool	[17:41]
mod6	https://clbin.com/IidZ7	[17:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OkheOm )	[17:42]
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mod6	and also noteworthy: `curl -s https://clbin.com/IidZ7 \| xxd \| grep "0d0a" \| wc -l` returns 0	[17:47]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OkheOm )	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352312 << the equivalent i had in mind was their very meticulous document processing technology.	[17:47]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 19:39:51; asciilifeform: contrary to the ibm legend, there was no nazi palantir.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	was later imported and known as "the fbi"	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352330 << i guess. my main concern is that i do not wish to see absolute paths. as long as it puts the stuff somewhere relative to current dir i'm happy.	[17:48]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 19:56:44; mod6: mircea_popescu: going back to the .wot dir being created by default in the `pwd` of V : I would think that perhaps .seals should go in the same place as well; `pwd`.	[17:48]
mod6	ok cool. my latest patch should do just that.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	win.	[17:50]
mod6	i'll test a bit as I said and then re-publish a new one when complet.e	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	dun stress out mod6, looking great here.	[17:50]
mod6	yup. no sweat. just wanna stay on top of the V changes, so I can get to the many R.I. things :]	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	hehe	[17:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104605 @ 0.00050534 = 52.8611 BTC [+] {4}	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352382 << the concept is sound, however mind that we don't end up with as many patches as linechanges. "one thing" should be liberally construed, "removing remaining wxisms" seems a one thing for me.	[17:52]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 20:19:11; asciilifeform: punkman: i like this patch except imho 1) patches ought to do One Thing 2) printf hardcoded to stdout is Wrong Thing	[17:52]
mod6	punkman: any idea how long clbin will hold these pastes?	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	wasn't it one week ?	[17:53]
mod6	oh is that all	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352416 << sounds kinda like replicated deedbot by now ?	[17:54]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 20:30:58; asciilifeform: ideally a tmsr 'pastebin' would take input by gpg --encrypt --recipient thingspubkey... \| curl -X POST ...	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	This year HBR changed the evaluation criteria from "stock price only"1 to an agglomeration of fuzzy metrics that include stock price in addition to Sustainalytics' proprietary "goodness evaluation" metrics.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha what the fuck.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	"Jeff Bezos of Amazon has, according to HBR, toppled from #1 to #87 in their list of Best Performing CEOs."	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	aha, and now we understand teh point of the entire exercise.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	nothing the socialist mob hates more than competence.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	"All Nature is but Art, unknown to thee;	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	All chance, direction, which thou canst not see	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	All discord, harmony not understood,	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	All partial evil, universal good:	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	And, spite of pride, in erring reason's spite,	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	One truth is clear, whatever is, is right."	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	pope ftw.	[17:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90400 @ 0.00050333 = 45.501 BTC [-] {2}	[17:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00049885 = 7.6324 BTC [-]	[17:59]
mod6	trinque: could deedbot be easily copied and modified to just have variable paste retention into a webdir or db of some kind? it wouldn't send to the blockchain like deedbot. then we could just have our own `pastebot'? is this dumb?	[18:00]
mod6	Don't wanna make more work, just curious.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	why specifically NOT send it ?	[18:01]
mod6	well, i thought we didn't want to send up all farts into the blockchain.	[18:01]
mod6	sometimes, a guy just has to derp around	[18:02]
mod6	i make plenty of errors that I don't want to chisel into stone. :]	[18:02]
mod6	maybe a dumb idea. and maybe it can't be easily modified to do that.	[18:04]
*	mod6 will think on it.	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	technically speaking all that goes into the chain is 32 bytes per paste	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	moreover, there's no extra cost for adding more items to one block	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	hm... well, other than the cost of keeping the stuff around forever to verify blocks.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	yeah maybe putting them in is a bad idea.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	"Socialists revile the church not for its promulgation of irrational faith but because historically churches have championed the improvement of the world as a thing that the devoted do—not a thing which may (or even should) be outsourced to le etat." << quite exactly.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	in general, socal ditz does not call the other socal ditz "like, totally, a slut" for any other reason than you know, the slut getting the attention of the boys she wanted for herself.	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	" any increase in return that’s attributable merely to an improvement in the local stock market;" << i wish to know on what planet these people live where there's "local" stock markets.	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	!up dub	[18:14]
-assbot-	You voiced dub for 30 minutes.	[18:14]
*	assbot gives voice to dub	[18:14]
dub	hallo	[18:15]
shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352462 <<< I don't like clutter, but if it pisses Luke-Jr off so much the better.	[18:15]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 20:58:03; mod6: well, i thought we didn't want to send up all farts into the blockchain.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	hola.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	shinohai the problem is that for someone to later verify the bundle deed one needs to keep the whole bundle.	[18:15]
shinohai	Understandable.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	"But we never defined clear hypotheses, developed experiments, and we rarely had meaningful conversations with our target end-users. And while we had some wonderful advisors in the parking industry, we should have met with everyone we could get our hands on. Worst, we rarely got out of the building."	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	this is not a trend among the newly "creative" worthless class, not getting out of the building.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	these idiots aim to "revolutionize", "improve" and ultimately save a world they do not wish to ever see.	[18:24]
deedbot-	[Trilema] Moment poetic - http://trilema.com/2015/moment-poetic-2/	[18:24]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352438 << was precisely what i meant.	[18:24]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 20:49:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352382 << the concept is sound, however mind that we don't end up with as many patches as linechanges. "one thing" should be liberally construed, "removing remaining wxisms" seems a one thing for me.	[18:24]
asciilifeform	but original was 'debug sanity' and did 2 very distinct, separable things, in 1 patch, which imho is mistake	[18:25]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352443 << no!! because deedbot requires privkey use during paste, which is very arduous if you have good hygiene	[18:25]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 20:50:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352416 << sounds kinda like replicated deedbot by now ?	[18:25]
asciilifeform	there is no need to sign all pastes, this actually is the opposite of a pastebin	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	true.	[18:26]
asciilifeform	a pastebin is an anon crud accumulator	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	yea	[18:26]
punkman	asciilifeform: but original was 'debug sanity' and did 2 very distinct, separable things, in 1 patch, which imho is mistake << agreed, but most of the wx crap was related to debug	[18:31]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352473 << same planet that has 'local' wots	[18:32]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 21:09:10; mircea_popescu: " any increase in return that’s attributable merely to an improvement in the local stock market;" << i wish to know on what planet these people live where there's "local" stock markets.	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	wut ?	[18:33]
asciilifeform	and perhaps local arithmetic	[18:33]
asciilifeform	where the decrease of the chocolate ration adds up to an increase of fiddy grams, as per orwell	[18:33]
asciilifeform	'here in zimbabwe we do not use white man logic'	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	https://medium.com/work-education/play-by-your-own-rules-6152adc41de9 <<< anyone actually ever fucking heard of "gowalla" ?	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	da fuck.	[18:34]
assbot	Play by your own rules. — Work & Education — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1SeHyiN )	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i guess heh.	[18:34]
asciilifeform	any relation to 'dwolla' ?	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	none that i can see	[18:34]
asciilifeform	besides the seeping pseudoafricanization	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	apparently that pointless foursquare thing is somehow a success that had it's own wanna-bes that meanwhile died.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	it's apparently very hard to underestimate just how little these people do with their time.	[18:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00050669 = 16.5688 BTC [+]	[18:35]
asciilifeform	i'm not certain this circus actually soaks up their time	[18:35]
asciilifeform	judging by how much time these folks have remaining to soak up on reddit etc	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i don't think it's africanization, to me it seems very ... surfer culture, to be honest. the whole trend with walla this and palooza that traces back to that idiotic aussie band of the 90s wtf was it called.	[18:35]
asciilifeform	idk the consonant clusters scream 'nigerian spam'	[18:36]
asciilifeform	mbwebwengabwebew...etc...	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	w is a vowel.	[18:36]
asciilifeform	dipthong	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[18:36]
punkman	-walla is from indian word I think	[18:37]
asciilifeform	as seen in film 'slumdog millionaire'	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	"The growing public attention sparked by the investment became both a heaven and a hell. On one hand, during the course of Gowalla’s life we received more tech press coverage than is right and holy for any startup. On the other, I dare you to find a post about Gowalla that doesn't mention Foursquare."	[18:37]
asciilifeform	'chaiwalla', 'phonewalla'	[18:37]
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mircea_popescu	heh. here's the thing : by far the finest alcohol available in this country is havana club 7 yo.	[18:37]
asciilifeform	lulzy film btw	[18:37]
asciilifeform	has mircea_popescu seen ?	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	some bright minds decided to advertise it. they actually paid money to get outdoor space, and on it they're selling... rum and cola. huge, block lettered 4 stage recipe, 3rd being "bebida cola".	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	fucktards are advertising coca cola with their own money, out of every single drink coca cola makes a dollar fifty if they make a dollar.	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform apparently yes, had to ask teh womenz. really fucking retarded movie.	[18:39]
asciilifeform	this was covered in an old mircea_popescu article about early mobile phonez	[18:39]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: but it was ~about~ turd world tardation	[18:39]
asciilifeform	said right on the box.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	as someone who actually fucks third worlders, i do not buy this.	[18:39]
asciilifeform	india?!	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	it's about california being dumb in a different color scheme , i guess.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	what, where do you think the gypsies come from ?	[18:39]
asciilifeform	as much relation to modern india as modern italy to the etruscans	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	phenotypically ?	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	not that far off!	[18:40]
asciilifeform	begins & ends there.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	or did i misconstrue your question and you weren't asking something along the lines of "how COULD you stick your penis in brown!!1"	[18:41]
asciilifeform	was specifically re: turd world	[18:41]
asciilifeform	which is - or soon to be - mostly white folks	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	maybe that's the issue. what "turd world" ? third world ?	[18:41]
asciilifeform	3rd, but with omnipresent public turds	[18:41]
asciilifeform	as pictured in the film	[18:41]
asciilifeform	go six blocks and see eight open air turds	[18:42]
asciilifeform	smell 78.	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	that thing only exists in trona, ca.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	srsly.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	btw - ever seen the movie ? Just Add Water	[18:43]
asciilifeform	nein	[18:43]
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mircea_popescu	it's about this world. a small town next to bakersfield (a sort of california's own ohio)	[18:44]
shinohai	So this showed up in my shinohai@nigge.rs mailbox: https://vc.gg/blog/im-moving-to-romania/	[18:47]
assbot	I’m Moving to Romania \| Vincent Canfield's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1SeIDqP )	[18:47]
*	asciilifeform once watched an american sp4mz0r do this	[18:48]
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asciilifeform	(from commentz) 'I work as a sysadmin. I got my remote position by working in an office and getting to know everyone, and getting myself in a position where all of my work can be done remotely. Even though I’m near the office should I need to go in, I work from home since there’s not really any need. Other ways include freelance / contract work, or just outright applying for a remote-hire position. There are lots of fully-	[18:51]
asciilifeform	decentralized companies out there, you just have to find them.'	[18:51]
asciilifeform	this fella is a sysadmin, but not on call during american business hours? ... or is he ?	[18:51]
asciilifeform	phun phakt: virtually all american 'health insurance' is void abroad	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	lol " The Maine college drop-out, 21, at center of hoax terrorist threat emails sent to schools across the East and West coasts that sparked college evacuations "	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	this is whjat i get for going "who the fduck is vincent canfield"	[18:53]
*	asciilifeform goes back to the far moar interesting activity of changing the detergent in the tub where 'northgate' kbd keys are soaking for their 5-yrly wash	[18:55]
shinohai	I applaud the guy for at least putting up warrant canary on server	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	phun phakt: virtually all american 'health insurance' is void abroad << ofcourse it is ? just like soviet ruble vouchers were void in bonn ?	[18:57]
punkman	isn't that SOP everywhere?	[18:58]
punkman	https://news.bitcoin.com/bigger-blocks-means-decentralization-bitcoin/	[19:01]
assbot	Bigger Blocks Mean More Decentralization for Bitcoin - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1SeJsA1 )	[19:01]
punkman	/me notices data, hmm	[19:02]
punkman	*date	[19:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146850 @ 0.00049885 = 73.2561 BTC [-] {3}	[19:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha. somebody ought remind herr canfield not to fall ill or have accident	[19:04]
asciilifeform	shinohai: 'warrant canary' is an endearing custom but is quite useless on several different levels	[19:06]
shinohai	https://cock.li/transparency/warrant-canary.txt <<< text of canary is why I applaud him.	[19:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1SeJSX1 )	[19:06]
asciilifeform	ianal but the standard u.s. freislerian legal instrument in such cases is the gag order, which is not 'a national security letter, on order under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or any other classified request for user information'	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	the very fucking notion of "a gag order".	[19:08]
asciilifeform	(the gag itself is not classified, in the sense that it is a separate legal instrument and its disclosure is punished under a separate set of penal code than disclosure of classified info - which in usa, supposing that you did not sign its nda, is not a crime)	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	as if any judge has the authority to order such a wonder.	[19:08]
asciilifeform	auctoritas no, potentas yes	[19:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.00050471 = 19.7342 BTC [+]	[19:10]
asciilifeform	and afaik 'warrant canary' has never been tested in any court.	[19:11]
asciilifeform	and considering that secret courts and secret laws are now sop in usaschwitz, perhaps it was tested 1,001 times and was laughed at from day one	[19:12]
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asciilifeform	the legal logic behind 'canary' was always dodgy, 'usg cannot compel you to tell lies' - wanna bet ? ask juniper et al	[19:13]
shinohai	lol	[19:13]
asciilifeform	or ask that one telco ceo who wouldn't sign up for nsa	[19:15]
asciilifeform	(and promptly jailed for 'insider trading')	[19:15]
asciilifeform	nobody gets to count for two shits, in big picture, in usa, without proper strings pre-attached	[19:16]
asciilifeform	(can be as simple as being a pedo, a la brock p)	[19:16]
trinque	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352459 << I am open to doing a paste.deedbot.org; done correctly it does not seem like a massive piece of work.	[19:17]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 20:57:04; mod6: trinque: could deedbot be easily copied and modified to just have variable paste retention into a webdir or db of some kind? it wouldn't send to the blockchain like deedbot. then we could just have our own `pastebot'? is this dumb?	[19:17]
asciilifeform	they play ball, or usg pulls on the strings. will pull until arms, legs come off.	[19:17]
asciilifeform	and anyway why would anybody need to serve a warrant to canfield ? all they gotta do is cancel his job. then he can enjoy living in ro ~on a ro wage~	[19:20]
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Azelphur	Haven't been active in here in a while, howdy :)	[19:21]
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shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/1P9mpnQ.jpg Assets	[19:42]
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BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351805 << There are a poverty of laptops and portable desktops on the market which are still less POS	[20:19]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 14:41:47; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if laptop needs external cooling, it's a pos	[20:19]
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thestringpuller	mod6: was this started from a /clean/ env or is this trying to load up a blockchain from christmas past? << I completely nuked the datadir .bitcoin with rm -rf *; whenever I do an rpc call after the thing _tries_ to spin up, it borks. crashes without anything except what was in the db.log. I'm almost certain it's an issue with bdb because no blocks are downloaded or anything. cause it connects to the node I specify gets basic	[21:27]
ben_vulpes	yes but /have you run it under gdb/	[21:33]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: re handwriting, it is a mystery for the ageists	[21:33]
asciilifeform	waiwut	[21:34]
ben_vulpes	ages, ageists, women in tech	[21:34]
ben_vulpes	oddball pun	[21:35]
asciilifeform	it is beyond my puny brain	[21:35]
*	ben_vulpes nods in appreciation	[21:35]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes has actual chix in his shop'o'horrors ?	[21:35]
ben_vulpes	like i said, 'twill remain a mystery	[21:35]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351815 << have i not yet achieved loglightenment on how to index the transaction set?	[21:36]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 14:46:59; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351660 << ahahahaa i'm a laugh to death, we want a sql parser to grind every motherfucking time a tx is fetched ??!?!?	[21:36]
asciilifeform	well, we ~already know~ that it can be done WITHOUT SQL ANYWHERE	[21:37]
ben_vulpes	sure, but did you miss the line where i asked "what data structure will work here?"?	[21:37]
asciilifeform	quite a few would work	[21:38]
*	ben_vulpes opens the door, gestures frantically	[21:38]
asciilifeform	e.g., b* tree	[21:38]
asciilifeform	b-tree rather	[21:39]
asciilifeform	b* if space is more of a concern vs time	[21:39]
thestringpuller	BSP trees?	[21:39]
thestringpuller	i kno those	[21:39]
asciilifeform	at any rate the data structure oughta be optimized FOR THIS PROBLEM and not 'for everything anyone might ever think of forever'	[21:41]
ben_vulpes	how then to sort transactions?	[21:41]
ben_vulpes	i must now admit to only a kindergarten level understanding of data structures, for any who remain un-clued-in to this fact	[21:42]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: http://www.semaphorecorp.com/btp/algo.html or see knuth	[21:42]
assbot	B-tree algorithms ... ( http://bit.ly/1m8nDGj )	[21:42]
asciilifeform	or even https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coRJrcIYbF4	[21:42]
assbot	B-Tree example - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1m8nC5j )	[21:42]
ben_vulpes	"keys" in this case would be 'txid's?	[21:43]
asciilifeform	aha	[21:43]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352040 << Digging through the newsmines there seems to be a subspecies of aspie neckbeard that occasionally presents so	[21:43]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 17:21:24; mircea_popescu: who the fuck else is this FUCKING EQUALITARIAN, huh ?	[21:43]
ben_vulpes	please bear with me for a moment, hashes are then actually a sortable thing, a la...integers?	[21:44]
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asciilifeform	whatever bitstring you like can be treated as an integer	[21:44]
ben_vulpes	in that any byte array can be used to represent an integer?	[21:44]
ben_vulpes	i am completely out of my depth here.	[21:44]
asciilifeform	aha	[21:44]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352046 << Many can't pose opencunted, because gunt. Pictures in log.	[21:45]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 17:22:53; asciilifeform: these selfsame folks will happily pose topless, or opencunted, etc. ~in the right place~	[21:45]
asciilifeform	'god created the integers, all else is the work of man' (tm) (r) (gauss)	[21:45]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: fortunately, the mutants in your photos are not actually common	[21:45]
ben_vulpes	okay, this i now dig.	[21:45]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: 'man strncmp' on your box	[21:46]
asciilifeform	^ one metric	[21:46]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: You only don't encounter many, because in capital zone they get deported here or Ohio. Or maybe you just haven't much been to walmart.	[21:47]
ben_vulpes	nifty.	[21:47]
asciilifeform	l0l and here i thought it was because they don't get out	[21:47]
asciilifeform	the one time i went to lolmart they destroyed my shoes	[21:48]
ben_vulpes	wut	[21:48]
ben_vulpes	how	[21:48]
asciilifeform	(some clerk spilled a bucket of paint right in my path, led to a circus where successively higher levels of boss appeared to apologize, ending with top shift boss - a pretty gurl - giving me a fiddybuck 'gift card' )	[21:49]
kakobrekla	some serious luck.	[21:49]
BingoBoingo	Nice	[21:49]
asciilifeform	this was eons ago.	[21:49]
asciilifeform	anyway i can't think of any reason to venture into a lolmart in modern day	[21:50]
asciilifeform	(what amazon is for)	[21:50]
BingoBoingo	But no, the circus freaks get out. It's just they most often go places they can sit or ride venue provided scooty puffs.	[21:51]
ben_vulpes	unrelatedly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX7rliyPF48	[21:55]
assbot	Black Jeopardy with Elizabeth Banks - SNL - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1mhWPD5 )	[21:55]
asciilifeform	ick laughtrack	[21:56]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352005 << neat! i would dearly love to see this.	[22:00]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 17:12:09; asciilifeform: and multithreaded gcd--er	[22:00]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352122 << this was never actually on the table, the thread was war stories on my part and generalized architectural opining on mircea_popescu's	[22:08]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 18:35:54; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we don't have sql in there now. this was re: the notion of using sqlite.	[22:08]
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ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352327 << wait, what has changed in the bootup process that would justify an update?	[22:20]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 19:52:00; asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html << would be neat to see an updated this	[22:20]
ben_vulpes	or, talking about script?	[22:20]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: the article	[22:22]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352445 << oh come on, no citation even?! i spent hours on that research.	[22:22]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 20:51:20; mircea_popescu: This year HBR changed the evaluation criteria from "stock price only"1 to an agglomeration of fuzzy metrics that include stock price in addition to Sustainalytics' proprietary "goodness evaluation" metrics.	[22:22]
ben_vulpes	"research"	[22:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158177 @ 0.00050046 = 79.1613 BTC [-] {4}	[22:22]
ben_vulpes	rooting around in middens	[22:23]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: do you want a rehash of the GUD stuff? a wholesale reexamination of every point in the piece?	[22:23]
asciilifeform	nono	[22:23]
asciilifeform	just more expositions in that vein	[22:23]
ben_vulpes	ah	[22:23]
ben_vulpes	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/21_the-myths-of-the-good-life-and-that-work-should-be-fun-and-happen-in-a-fun-place-only-serve-to-enslave-you-to-the-progressives-hedonic-treadmill.html << regarding bezos	[22:28]
assbot	The myths of "the good life" and that work should be fun and happen in a fun place only serve to enslave you to the progressive's hedonic treadmill ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqnvOT )	[22:28]
asciilifeform	l0l, everybody knows that work happens in a uranium mine and a miner lives for about 3 months before succumbing	[22:28]
*	ben_vulpes is surprised asciilifeform's parser can handle the title, much less the piece	[22:29]
asciilifeform	'Bezos runs a company, not a playground for millenials.' << actually the interesting thing is that he ~does~ run a playground for millenials	[22:30]
asciilifeform	but it's a different kind, the kind with razor blades in the slides	[22:30]
ben_vulpes	how is it that place can get away without showing a profit?	[22:31]
asciilifeform	pyramid	[22:31]
asciilifeform	(usg-powered, like all other 'superstar' stocks)	[22:32]
asciilifeform	elementarily.	[22:32]
thestringpuller	i thought amazon made a profit?	[22:32]
thestringpuller	also iirc you don't pay any taxes if you technically make no profit.	[22:33]
ben_vulpes	this shit is enough to make me despair of anything but burning everything down.	[22:33]
thestringpuller	i thought we all felt that way to begin with...	[22:33]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: let mircea_popescu know when you've reached the correct level of despair, he will issue you with a pin with which to poke out eyes of guards	[22:33]
ben_vulpes	i dgaf about guards	[22:34]
ben_vulpes	there are specific heads i'm out for yet.	[22:34]
ben_vulpes	unrelatedly, is there anything to this gdansk deepwater port nyooz?	[22:35]
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trinque	+asciilifeform │ (usg-powered, like all other 'superstar' stocks) << wat?	[22:43]
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trinque	amazon has been treated on the logs several times	[22:43]
asciilifeform	see, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1259247	[22:44]
assbot	Logged on 01-09-2015 22:24:21; mircea_popescu: trinque the fed mostly owns privately issued paper anyway. mostly bond bundles, but most of them are tied to stocks (via banks) so in point of fact the fed owns atm ~118-122% or so of the entire us economy	[22:44]
*	trinque goes to find current numbers, but iirc they run thin profits	[22:44]
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trinque	and the strategy is to outrun competitors in this manner.	[22:44]
trinque	I don't see the fault with it.	[22:44]
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trinque	http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/amzn/financials/income/quarter	[22:49]
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assbot	AMZN Quarterly Income Statement - Amazon.com Inc. Quarterly Financials ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqoqPb )	[22:49]
trinque	last 3/4 were profitable	[22:49]
trinque	rather, 3 out of last 4	[22:50]
thestringpuller	and they don't pay dividends either	[22:51]
thestringpuller	i think shareholders forced apple to pay dividends cause sitting on as much cash as they allegedly had is extremely risky, cause inflation	[22:52]
thestringpuller	then again all fiat stocks are scams anyways...	[22:52]
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BingoBoingo	loller https://archive.is/srW6Q	[23:14]
assbot	Write for bitcoin news - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oqpt1J )	[23:14]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352582 << rathger likely.	[23:33]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 22:08:21; asciilifeform: and considering that secret courts and secret laws are now sop in usaschwitz, perhaps it was tested 1,001 times and was laughed at from day one	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352594 << how's things ?	[23:34]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 22:17:53; Azelphur: Haven't been active in here in a while, howdy :)	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1352630 << directly to knuth.	[23:36]
assbot	Logged on 25-12-2015 00:38:42; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://www.semaphorecorp.com/btp/algo.html or see knuth	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	best use of one's time in this field, deeply recommended for any gentleman anyway.	[23:36]
asciilifeform	^	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	could almost say he's a sort of computing's feynman.	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1352675 << beotch, you're like linked from the latest on trilema already :D	[23:40]
assbot	Logged on 25-12-2015 01:19:10; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352445 << oh come on, no citation even?! i spent hours on that research.	[23:40]
ben_vulpes	aha, yes.	[23:40]
asciilifeform	http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/files/ic_h11_scramble.wav << cruddy crypto from the olden dayz	[23:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MyMfwN )	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1352698 << i find alf's sarcasm has improved markedly since hanging around here.	[23:41]
assbot	Logged on 25-12-2015 01:30:11; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: let mircea_popescu know when you've reached the correct level of despair, he will issue you with a pin with which to poke out eyes of guards	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	"Keep you title under 156 characters	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	Make sure your article is easy to read. People familiar and not will be reading the articles.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	Do a proper fact check"	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	shit. i could have written for "bitcoin news" ALL THIS TIME ?	[23:43]
asciilifeform	!s from:mircea_popescu alf improved markedly	[23:44]
assbot	1 results for 'from:mircea_popescu alf improved markedly' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+alf+improved+markedly	[23:44]
asciilifeform	l0lz	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	you gonna blame the search ?	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	anyway. it was PEN. not fucking pin. pen.	[23:45]
asciilifeform	pen with pin!	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	the pinpen of pain.	[23:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83845 @ 0.0005027 = 42.1489 BTC [+] {2}	[23:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28548 @ 0.00050413 = 14.3919 BTC [+]	[23:56]
*	linton_s_dawson (linton_s_d@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-sinlrusxyezdszco) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:59]

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